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House Criminal Justice Subcommittee - April 6, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
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B
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A
A
E
Thank
you
very
much
members.
Some
of
you
may
know
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
I
think
leader,
lambert
has
had
bills.
I've
had
bills.
The
members
before
us
have
had
bills
to
try
and
restructure.
What's
called
the
emif
or
the
electronic
monitoring
agency
fund,
there
have
been
several
entities
of
this
fund
over
the
years.
E
Its
current
posture
is
that
interlock,
which
is
a
completely
different
technology
than
all
of
the
other
electronic
monitoring
technologies,
gets
first
dibs
on
the
money,
that's
appropriated
and
generated
by
by
fees,
and
then
the
money
that's
left
over
pours
over
into
the
electronic
monitoring
indigency
fund.
The
emif
fund,
which
goes
to
pay
for
indigent
defendants
who
are
on
a
gps,
monitor
transdermal,
monitor
some
other
type
of
electronic
monitoring
device.
The
issue
with
that
is
that
we
have
an
undefined
number
of
claims
for
an
undefined
bucket
of
money,
which
means
at
some
point
mid-year.
E
A
Thank
you
for
that
explanation.
Any
questions
for
our
sponsor
on
the
amendment.
Seeing
now
we're
now
voting
to
add
amendment
code
14663
on
the
house
bill
325,
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
those
opposed
eyes
prevail.
You
adopt
we're
on
the
bill
as
amended.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
renew
my
motion.
Any
questions.
Seeing
none
we're
voting
to
seal,
send
house
bill
325
to
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
as
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
you
move
on.
Thank
you.
A
F
F
If
you'll
give
me
just
a
few
minutes
I'll
try
to
explain
the
purpose
of
this
bill
in
1983
the
transfer
control
protocol,
the
internet
work
protocol
commonly
known
as
the
tcp
ip
was
established
under
the
tc
pip.
Every
device
connected
to
the
internet
had
its
own
unique
address,
so
every
computer,
every
phone
had
its
own
ip
address,
with
more
and
more
internet
cable
devices
such
as
iphones
and
other
smartphones
tablets
and
interactive
game
consoles
connected
to
the
internet.
F
It's
my
understanding,
it's
a
little
difficult
for
them
to
spend
the
money
and
the
time
to
update
their
devices,
to
use
to
give
everybody
or
every
every
device,
such
as
an
iphone.
Its
own
unique
number
problem
is
that
it's
causing
law
enforcement,
the
inability
to
be
able
to
track
down
trafficking
and
child
pornography
and
those
type
things.
So
I
don't
know
chairman,
I
I
don't
know
if
we
have
someone.
I
know
we
had
last
week,
someone
here
to
speak
on
it,
but
we
didn't
get
to
the
bill.
A
Go
out
of
session
before
we
adopt
the
amendment,
or
would
you
I'd
like
to
adopt
the
amendment
first,
okay,
question's
been
called
any
objection
on
the
amendment
see
no
we're
voting
to
adopt
amendment
code,
13435
on
the
house
bill
2526,
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Those
opposed
you
adopt.
We
are
on
the
bill
as
amended
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
this.
Before
we
go
out
of
session,
I
I
would
like.
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G
F
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
hearing
concern
some
concerns
about
this
and
I'm
interested
to
hear
the
speakers
who's
gonna
be
presenting
today,
but
I've
had
I've
heard
some
concerns
from
the
industry
that
this
we
would
be
the
first
in
the
nation
to
require
this
by
law
and
that
some
of
the
providers,
the
the
system
providers,
they
don't
track,
people
by
tennessee
residents
or
whatever
their
their
traffic
is
nationwide,
and
that
trying
to
impose
this
upon.
That
may
generate
huge
cost
and
just
a
logistical
nightmare
as
far
as
operating
their
system.
I
F
But
they
can,
they
can
do
this.
They
can
there's
one
provider,
that's
very
concerned
about
child
pornography,
and
so
he
is
able
to
go
back
in
and
trace
it.
However,
it
does
require
time
and
effort
on
their
part,
or
the
other
option
is
which
I
think
is
inevitable
that
we're
going
to
have
in
the
future
a
number
for
every
device,
the
technology's
already
there
they
would
just
have
to
you
know,
spend
the
money
to
update
here's.
F
What
I
was
told
by
the
fbi,
if
we're
concerned
about-
in
which
I
am
I'm
concerned
about
big
brother
watching
me
all
the
time,
but
what
they
have
to
do
now
is
they'll
have
to
take
500
or
a
thousand
ip
numbers
or
people.
Rather,
that
would
use
one
number
and
they
have
to
go
through
all
their
information
and
sort
through
it
till
they
get
down
to
the
one
that
they
want
to
get
to.
So
it's
causing
a
lot
of
money
and
effort.
F
Now
this
would
kind
of
solve
that
problem,
but
either
way
you're
going
to
spend
money.
We're
spending
the
money
now
to
go
through
all
of
these
different
individuals
to
find
the
one.
That's
doing
the
trafficking,
so
this
would
help
solve
that
problem
causes
other
problems,
of
course
financially,
but
we're
spending
dollars
now
trying
to
get
to
those
numbers.
A
J
K
J
And
mr
chairman,
we'll
be
very
brief,
as
a
wireless
industry
and
also
in
landline
industry,
while
we
understand
the
laudable
goal
and
appreciate
the
intent
of
the
bill.
Currently,
we
are
not
able
to
do
what
representative
sexton's
bill
asked
us
to
do.
If
law
enforcement
gives
us
dates
times
and
other
information,
we
can
triangulate
it
to
that
one
individual
part
of
the
ip
address,
but
there
are
not
enough
ip
addresses
in
the
world,
so
we
have
to
recycle
those.
J
In
fact,
each
of
us
when
we
are
sought
the
information
reply
back
to
the
subpoenas
or
the
request
to
law
enforcement
with
the
needed
information
that
may
be
needed
to
go
deeper
into
the
5
000
people
or
100
people
that
are
sharing
the
same.
I
p
address,
so
we
have
departments
in
our
companies
that
are
willing
to
do
that
and
work
with
law
enforcement
regularly.
J
We
have
law
enforcement
training
sessions
to
help
them
do
that
as
well,
but
currently
because
there's
a
shortage
of
ip
numbers
and
I
p
addresses
which
is
way
above
my
pay
grade
as
a
lawyer
and
a
lobbyist,
then
we
can't
get
down
to
the
detail
of
who
that
individual
is.
That
was
on
there
without
further
information
that
we
provide
to
law
enforcement
at
that
time
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
let
my
competitors
also
speak.
K
Anything
to
to
add
to
what
ms
young
said
we're
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
industry
as
a
whole.
U.S
cellular
is
one
of
the
smaller
providers
in
the
marketplace.
We
only
we're
in
about
24
states
and
we're
only
in
about
half
of
the
state
of
tennessee,
and
I
agree
with
everything
that
mandy
just
said.
I
think
it's
certainly
a
laudable
goal
with
legislation
and
certainly
something
that
needs
looking
into,
but
just
right
now,
after
speaking
to
our
folks
at
u.s
cellular,
we
literally
just
cannot
do
this
at
this
time.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
committee.
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
address
you
this
morning
and,
as
my
colleagues
have
said,
this
is
a
laudable
goal.
You
know
we
have
no
opposition
to
the
idea
behind
it.
It's
just
at
this
particular
time.
It's
just
not
feasible
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
what
is
being
asked
here.
I
would
certainly
like
to
sit
down
and
work
with
the
proponents
of
the
bill
and
others
that
are
interested
in
this
to
sit
down
and
see
what
could
be
worked
out
at
some
point
in
time.
L
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
I
want
to
try
to
clarify
something
in
my
mind
and
I
don't
need
the
mit
graduate
level
description,
I'm
not
asking
for
that,
but
in
my
in
my
limited
understanding
of
how
any
of
this
works,
I
have
always
thought
that
an
ip
address
is
kind
of,
like
my
social
security
number
like
at
some
point.
When
I
entered
the
cell
phone
world,
I
was
assigned
one
and
it
sort
of
follows
me,
like
my
belly
button
everywhere,
I
go.
E
J
Mr
chairman
mandy
young
again,
and
I
cannot
even
give
you
the
short
version
of
the
summer
school
remedial
class,
except
that
you
don't
just
get
one
and
currently
because
of
the
internet,
there's
versions
of
ip
addresses
which
I've
just
learned
in
the
last
36
hours.
Since
we
learned
about
representative
sexton's
bill,
there's
an
ipv4
there's
an
ipv6.
J
There
are
letters
and
numbers
and
a
combination.
An
apartment,
complex
can
have
one
ip
address
and
200
people
using
it
and
then
there's
different
information
between
the
internet
service
providers
like
ourselves
or
mobile
services,
there's
difference
between
landline
and
synchronous,
which
chris
can
explain
and
asynchronous,
which
is
mobile,
which
can
be
a
mobile
device
being
connected
to
other
locations.
J
In
addition,
it
matters
to
what
internet
site
you
go
to
and
there's
data
on
the
other
side
that
connects
that
helps,
identify
the
ip
address
to
that
web
browser
web
user
and
I've
just
talked
more
than
I
really
understand,
but
that
it
is
not
a
social
security
number.
You
will
not
have
the
same
ip
dress
for
the
rest
of
your
life.
E
F
J
J
Yes,
sir,
some
of
us
tried
to
reach
out
and
have
some
of
the
industry
has
talked
to
nicole,
and
for
that
we
apologize.
We
were
unaware,
as
an
industry
of
this
amendment
until
it
went
on
in
senate
judiciary
last
week,
because
the
industry
had
not
been
consulted
by
whoever
you
were
working
with
representative
sexton
and
we
apologize
that
we
didn't
get
back
to
you
further.
J
I
I
believe,
and
I'm
not
100
certain,
that
this
cell
phone
may
have
an
ip
address,
but
it
matters
what
internet
service
provider
you're
using
at
the
moment,
if
you're
using
wi-fi
in
a
building
at
a
moment
and
what
what
web
browsers
you
are
connecting
to
that
is
above
my
pay
grade,
I'm
being
told
by
verizon
wireless.
We
cannot
comply
with
your
bill
as
it
is
today,
because
we
do
not
have
all
that
information.
J
F
F
I'm
just
being
told
by
different
people
that
we
don't
and
then
others
say
that
we
do
so.
That's
that's
a
question
now.
The
other
thing
is,
you
said
that
you
work
with
law
enforcement
and
you're
able
to
draw
down
to
find
that
individual.
So
to
me,
that's
that's
conflicting
with
what
you
said
a
while
ago
that
you're
not
able
to
comply
with
what
that
we're
asking
here.
All
all
this
bill
is
asking
is
to
keep
that
identification
that
information
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
So
it
sounds
like
you're
doing
that
some
already.
J
J
They
we
ask
for
further
additional
information
from
law
enforcement,
dates
and
times
and
locations,
and
once
we
get
that
we
can
draw
it
down,
it
is
not
that
we
don't
want
to
help
them.
Representative
sexton
is
that
we
don't
contain
or
possess
the
information
until
they
tell
us
further
follow-up
information.
J
F
And
I
share
that
same
sentiment
with
you,
I'm
because
I'm
getting
the
same
yes
conflicting
messages
of
it
can
be
done.
It
can't
be
done.
We
do
have
the
numbers,
we
don't
have
the
numbers
it's
and
and
based
on
the
information
that
I've
gotten
from
law
enforcement,
that
it
is
being
done.
It's
just
taking
them
a
long
time
to
go
through
all
of
the
numbers
and
or
not
all
the
numbers,
but
all
the
individuals
just
like
to
make
a
little
point.
F
This
thing
follows
me
everywhere
I
go
and
gps
tells
me
where
to
turn
and
knows
where
my
house
is
and
can
get
me
to
places
that
I
haven't
been
if
it
tracks
you
second
by
second,
and
so,
if
it
knows
where
I
am,
I
mean
there's
something
going
on,
and
I
know
that
we
watch
enough.
Detective
shows
that
tells
us.
You
know
that
it
pings
off
this
tower
and
pings
off
of
that
tower
seems
that
it's
not
and
I'm
talking
from
an
elementary
level
here.
L
And
dennis
wagner
at
t,
I
have
not
been
told
that
by
my
company
experts
again
just
the
fact
that
we're
not
able
to
keep
those
addresses
for
that
period
of
time,
millions
and
millions
and
millions
of
calls
across
the
country,
of
course,
and
to
store
it
all.
It's
just
not
feasible
at
this
time.
But
to
answer
your
question,
I
don't
know
about
the
numbers
situation.
D
I
want
to
just
clarify
something,
so
I
think
all
of
us
have
had
the
experience
of
either
saying
something
about
an
item
that
you
might
be
purchasing
at
the
home
or
purchasing
said
item
it's
real
fun,
even
when
you're
buying
birthday
gifts
for
somebody
else
or
something
and
you
get
push
advertisements
for
blah
blah
blah
that
you
purchased
for
somebody
else.
It
wasn't
for
you,
but
that
data
seems
to
be
pretty
easy
to
maintain
and
sell
and
transport
around
to
lots
of
different
people.
D
I'm
not
hearing
any
of
y'all
say
that
you
don't
want
to
comply
with
this.
It's
just
as
written
that
you're
not
able
to.
I
mean
it
sounds
like
the
data
is
out
there
right
because,
just
like
you
know
my
example
of
purchasing
something
online
and
then
getting
push
advertisements.
I
mean
obviously
they're
keeping
that
data,
and
it
is
identified
to
me
somehow
because
again
they're
more
than
happy
to
push
out
that
you
know
I
bought
a
you
know
weed
eater
for
somebody,
and
you
know
I
don't
need
another
weed
eater,
but
it
doesn't
matter.
J
Representative
lamberth
or
leader,
lambert,
I
think
that's
accurate.
I
think
that
when
law
enforcement
can
come
back
to
us
with
more
specific
information
like
there
are
5
000
users
at
this
ip
address
today,
and
but
we
need
this
date
and
this
time
and
this
port
number
this
blah
blah
blah,
there's
a
whole
chart.
Then
we
can
help
triangulate
as
they
break
down
to
it.
We
don't
break
down
from
a
privacy
perspective,
every
user
and
store
that
information.
It's
a
little
bit
like
text
messages.
We
used
to
keep
them
for
10
days.
J
You
know
10
15
years
ago
now
we
can't
even
keep
them
for
72
hours,
because
the
number
of
data
centers
and
servers
we
would
have
to
have
and
build
to
keep
your
information
in
our
servers.
So
there's
some
privacy
issues
as
well,
but
we
work
with
law
enforcement
and
send
them
back
at
least
verizon.
Does
I
assume
my
competitors
do
the
other
information?
If
you
want
to
go
below
that
5
000,
please
provide
the
following.
D
That's
true,
and
so
just
to
follow
up
then
again,
there's
a
way
to
get
to
this.
It
just
isn't
the
way
that
it's
written
currently
is.
What
I'm
hearing
is
that
look
with
working
with
law
enforcement
right
now
you
know
if,
if
these
several
factors
are
met
and
the
information
is
requested
in
detail,
then
there's
a
way
to
get
to
that
information.
In
essence,
just
not
this
way
is
that
fair
enough.
J
I'd
love
to
know
what
representative
sexton's
detective
had
problems
getting,
and
why
and
what
information
he
gave
whatever
carrier
it
was
and
what
they
responded
back
to
I
mean
we
have
a
whole
department
of
exigent
circumstances.
It's
a
special
number
that
you
can
call
if
it's
an
exigent
circumstance.
J
I
learned
that
because
I
googled
variety,
because
I
was
trying
to
learn
more
today
about
this
issue
and
I
was
digging
into
verizon's
website
and
it's
got
an
entire
section
that
teaches
law
enforcement,
how
to
get
it
and
here's
a
phone
number.
So
we
want
to
know
what
problems
we're
trying
to
solve
and
we
are
happy
to
sit
down
with
law
enforcement,
the
tbi
and
everybody
else
to
continue
to
work
on
this.
We
are
not
trying
to
keep
the
information
from
law
enforcement
good.
D
A
J
Mandy
young
verizon
wireless
representative
russell:
we
are
fulfilling
all
the
requests
if
they
meet
the
criteria
for
a
subpoena
and
then
we
give
back
the
information
if
they
need
to
go
further.
What
other
information
we
would
need,
I'm
unaware
of
any
and
that
we
haven't
fulfilled,
and
I
don't
know
an
exact
number.
I
just
know
the
national
number.
L
K
And
lou
also
spoke
with
u.s
cellular
representative
russell.
Exactly
the
same,
I
hate
to
be
the
one
nodding
my
head
in
agreement,
but
we
always
are
going
to
comply
and
do
everything
that
we
can.
I
can
get
try
to
get
the
numbers
back
to
you.
I
can't
get
them
right
now,
just
but
while
I'm
sitting
up
here,
but
we
can
certainly
work
with
sponsor
and
continue
to
work
to
try
to
meet
the
goals
of
this.
Just
the
time
crunch,
I
think,
is
just
what
we're
dealing
with
right
now.
Thank
you.
J
Mandy
young
verizon
wireless,
the
answer
is
the
same
representative
russell.
We
have
a
basically
a
uniform
retention
policy
for
across
the
country
because
we
operate
in
50
states
and
I
you
know,
I
believe
we
keep
it
longer
than
some
of
our
competitors,
but
I
think
that's
a
moving
target
yeah.
It's
it's
a
voluminous
amount
of
information.
F
I
just
want
to
get
this
on
the
record
that
law
enforcement-
no
one
in
law
enforcement
has
ever
said
to
me
that
you
all
any
of
the
providers,
has
not
worked
with
them
that
you've
always
been
very
cooperative
and
help
them
any
way
that
you
can.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
the
intent
here
to
ask
you
to
do
something
that
you're
not
willing
to
do
your
every
company,
from
my
knowledge
from
a
law
enforcement
standpoint,
has
been
extremely
helpful.
F
The
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
see
that
see
if
we
can
find
an
easier
way
for
law
enforcement
to
get
to
that
individual
right
now,
they're
having
to
sort
through
hundreds,
thousands,
tens
of
thousands
of
individual
people
to
find
that
date
and
time-
and
I
think
you've
all
agreed
that
there
is
a
way
of
getting
there
and
as
leader
lamberth
said,
how
can
we
get
there?
What's
the
way
to
get
there?
One
way
is
to
provide
those
numbers
or
to
keep
that
information.
F
Maybe
that's
not
financially
feasible,
especially
you
know
well
for
the
larger
companies
or
especially
smaller
companies.
I
think
that
at
some
point
in
the
future,
every
device
will
have
its
own
ip
number,
because
everything
that
I've
read
and
discovered
is
that
that
that
is
the
future.
Just
like
we
had
back
in
the
day
when
this
started
1983
every
device
had
its
own
number,
so
we
ran
out
of
numbers,
and
but
anyway,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
no
one
thought
that
that
was
the
purpose
of
this
bill.
J
And-
and
this
is
above
my
pay
grade
representative
hardaway,
but
it
was
explained
to
me
that
I
could
enter.
I
could
approach
websites
at
different
locations
to
during
the
day
and
use
multiple
ip
addresses
on
this.
So
imagine
how
many
people
in
tennessee
have
not
one,
but
many
people
have
two
phones,
a
work
phone
and
another
and
they're
they're,
going
through
the
verizon
service
or
the
at
t
service
to
get
to
an
internet
site
that
has
its
own
information.
That
knows,
I
went
there,
so
it
is.
J
L
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I've
been
sitting
here
listening
to
the
conversation
and
trying
to
simplify
things
in
my
mind,
which
is
hard
for
me.
Some
of
you
who
know
me,
let's
say
I'm
sitting
at
my
desk
in
my
office
and
I
have
a
computer,
that's
plugged
into
the
wall,
and
I
send
my
wife,
an
email
address
an
email
today
and
that
would
be
one
ip
address.
But
if
I
do
the
same
thing
tomorrow,
it
would
be
a
different
ip
address.
J
G
G
A
C
You,
mr
chairman
and
committee,
my
name
is
chris
townsend.
I
serve
as
the
ceo
of
dtc
communications
and
also
the
president
of
the
tennessee
broadband
association.
I
work
with
mr
lavoy
knowles
that
most
of
you,
I'm
sure,
know
that
see
around
quite
a
bit.
Dtc
is
based
in
dekalb
county.
We
also
provide
service
to
approximately
15
500
homes
and
businesses
in
rural
cannon,
dekalb
smith,
portions
of
wilson
and
portions
of
rutherford
counties
as
well
as
work
with
statewide
fiber
networks.
C
And
mr
chairman,
if
I
may
I'll
say
that
I
heard
the
commentary
that
I
believe
someone
said
it,
maybe
not
mi,
they
didn't
weren't.
Looking
for
a
mit
discussion,
mr
massey
is
not
mit,
which
I
think
we're
probably
glad
about,
but
he
is.
He
is
tennessee
tech
graduate
and
holds
over
20
industry
certifications.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
help
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
have
been
asked
if
still
needed.
I
C
Representative
griffey,
there
are
already
multiple
federal
laws
that
require
logging
of
data
that
is
similar
to
this.
This
bill
is
very
specific
to
cgn
technology
and
the
cgn
technology.
It's
not
looking
at
just
one
single
ip
address
with
multiple
users
under
it.
It
is
all
of
the
devices
that
flow
under
that
so
you're
having
to
look
at
approximately
64
000
ports
per
ip
address.
So
my
answer
would
be
very
clearly
that
it
is
an
extremely
granular
ask
that
the
bill
is
presenting.
C
We
personally
are
not
aware
of
other
states
that
have
this.
However,
I
will
say
I
do
not
know
of
a
federal
law
either
requiring
this.
I
will
say
that
from
a
state
standpoint,
I
personally
learned
about
this
bill
friday,
and
even
though
we
were
on
friday
afternoon
with
folks
in
in
washington
that
we
trust
highly,
they
don't
know
of
any,
but
I've
not
had
time
to
do
adequate
research
so
that
that's
my
instrument
answer
mr
griffey.
Thank.
I
You
for
that,
and
so
the
data
may
be
out
there,
but
it's
it's
not
retained,
or
essentially
by
any
providers
in
a
format
where
it's
a
specific
user
log,
where
law
enforcement
could
simply
give
you
a
name
or
give
you
an
ip
address
or
give
you
the
identifying
website
whatever
and
track
it
back
to
a
particular
user.
You
guys
just
don't
store
the
data
in
that
format.
At
this
point
in
time,
is
that
a
fair
assessment?
I.
C
I
think
that's
a
fair
assessment
mr
massey
may
want
to
speak
to
that.
More
specifically,
much
of
the
data
is
there
again
when
we
talk
about
storing
that
data
down
to
every
single
port
level,
even
if
we
stored
that
in
that
level,
mr
griffey,
with,
as
mandy
had
said
previously,
without
additional
information
coming
in
the
adequate
form
through
the
subpoena
process,
we
still
couldn't
give
the
information
out
I'll
say
it.
C
This
way,
when
you
look
at
an
auto
manufacturer
in
a
very
enclosed
environment,
they
provide
systems
that
exist
today
that
are,
they
operate
almost
to
perfection
and
they
can
track
every
single
packet
from
end
to
end
where
it
was
at
any
given
time
where
it
started
how
it
landed.
The
internet
is
anything
but
a
controlled
environment.
It
is
a
it
is
the
wild
wild
west
of
data
transformation
and
and
where
a
phone
line,
for
example,
under
kalia
compliance,
has
a
synchronous
route.
One
route,
two
endpoints,
it's
easy
to
tack
onto
that
and
track
that
information.
C
If
you
try
to
send
data
or
receive
data,
whether
that
be
an
email,
a
website,
whatever
that
that
those
packets
may
be
split
and
go
into
have
millions
of
different
possibilities
of
routes
and
come
back
together,
on
the
other
end
to
create
the
image
or
the
data
that
you're
looking
at
on
your
screen.
The
issue
with
that
is
that
is
that
the
prioritization
is
of
the
content
of
substance,
not
necessarily
the
logs
as
well.
C
So
you
don't
always
get
good
log
data,
even
if
you
get
the
intended,
you
know
information
that
was
sent
on
the
other
end.
So
what
I'm
saying
is,
even
if
we
built
the
greatest
storage
system,
that's
ever
been
that
could
look
at
all
64
000
ports
for
every
single
ip
address
and
tracked
everything
for
every
day
forever.
I
still
cannot
certify
under
penalty
of
perjury
that
I
can
tell
you
that
representative
farmer
had,
for
example,
a
certain
address
operation
operating
at
a
certain
time.
C
C
Small
company,
my
small
company,
with
about
15
500
customers-
initially
it
would
cost
us
probably
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
to
build
a
system
to
start
this
process.
Even
for
my
company
we're
estimating
50
000
per
year
in
annual
maintenance
on
those
servers
I
used
to
I've
been
at
two
cooperatives
in
my
career.
Both
have
had
wireless
companies
with
around
20
000
users.
It
would
be
more
complex
for
the
wireless
industry.
I
don't
operate
those
anymore.
C
H
C
Yeah,
we're
not
representing
hardware,
we're
not
saving
it
in
the
specific
format
down
to
the
second
and
the
reason
we're
not
doing.
That
is
because,
first
of
all
we're
not,
we
don't
know
of
anyone
in
the
industry
that
does
it
that
way,
because
the
law
has
not
required
it,
but
but
in
addition
to
that,
we
don't
do
it
that
way,
because
it's
not
an
efficient
way
to
operate
the
network
or
or
hold
the
storage.
So
here's
what
we're
saying,
for
example,
I
get
a
subpoena
today
that
has
just
an
ip
address.
C
We
in
our
company
can
narrow
that
down
to
40
or
fewer
users
at
any
given
time
already
today,
it's
a
different
setup
than
the
wireless
companies,
but
it's
one
of
40.,
then
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
go
back
to
the
company
and
we
do
this
already.
We've
done
it
with
tbi
we've
done
it
with
local
we've
done
it
with
federal.
Can
you
provide
a
port
number,
which
is
very
specific?
C
C
So
so
to
be
very
specific,
we
are
storing
the
information,
not
technically
exactly
the
way
the
bill
would
require,
but
even
if
we
did
it
the
way
the
bill
requires
it.
I
don't
know
that
we
can
provide
any
additional
information
today.
If
more
info
is
not
brought
in
through
the
subpoena
process,
we'll
go
back
and
forth
three
or
four
times
with
law
enforcement
and
and
say,
and
and
we
fully
respect
they
don't
want
to
give
you
a
name.
C
They
may
have
a
name,
they
think,
but
they
don't
give
you
a
name
yet
well,
we'll
get
it
down
and
say:
okay,
we
had
three
users
of
that
ip
address
on
this
day
during
this
six
hours.
Can
you
tell
us
if
it
was
a
smith
of
jones
or
whatever
and
and
if
they
can
tell
us
any
additional,
we
provide
that
or
we
could
provide
a
the
three
and
then
they
take
it
from
there.
So
we're
already
doing
that
today.
H
N
H
N
Yes,
sir,
there's
using
what's
called
ipv6
and
what
the
traditional
was
originally
the
the
one
that's
ran
out
of
the
ip
addresses.
We
are
working
to
continue
to
deploy
that
into
networks.
However,
the
internet
of
itself
isn't
fully
adapted
to
being
able
to
use
that
technology.
So
if
someone
is
trying
to
reach
a
website
somewhere
that
hasn't
adopted
that
technology,
that
it
would
not,
it
wouldn't
work.
So
therefore
they
wouldn't
have
no
internet
connection
at
that
point.
So,
but
we
are
working
to
deploy
that
and
make
that
even
more
reliable
within
the
network.
C
Mr
hardaway,
may
I
respond
to
that
as
well.
So
I
think
this
answers
representative
sexton's
question
as
well
from
earlier
about
is:
are
there
enough
ip
addresses?
Are
we
out
of
ip
addresses
and
are
there
enough
ip
addresses
out
there?
The
world
has
been
out
of
ipv4
addresses
since
approximately
2010.
That's
why
you
have
these
additional
technologies
to
to
layer
this
in
ipv6
is
available
today
it
is
not
the
carriers
that
are
stopping
the
adoption
of
ipv6.
C
We
utilize,
both
in
our
networks
today,
the
websites
on
the
other
end,
the
people
that
are
that
are
creating
content
on
the
internet
are
the
ones
that
have
to
adopt
ipv6,
because
it's
the
new
technology.
So
so
are
we
developing
systems
that
are
better
faster?
Yes,
when
ipv6
gets
here
in
full
across
the
world,
this
will
no
longer
be
an
issue.
Representative
sexton
actually
said
he's
been
told
the
same
thing.
We
don't
know
how
fast
that
will
be
fully
adopted.
C
The
problem
is
this:
bill
is
very
specific
to
cgn
providers,
which
we
happen
to
be
one
and
asking
to
build
a
database.
That's
so
detailed
and
complex
that,
even
if
we
build
it
which,
by
the
way,
we
can't
get
the
equipment
to
build
it
because
of
supply
chain
for
the
next
300
days.
If
we
tried
to
build
it,
even
then,
we
can't
provide
the
data
down
to
the
second,
with
a
guarantee
that
it's
accurate
and
that's
just
because
the
nature
of
the
way
the
systems
are
designed.
H
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
being
here
and
providing
some
clarity.
I
just
wanted
to
pose
my
question
again
that
I
proposed
to
miss
young.
If
I
I
think
you
answered
it
a
while
ago,
but
I
just
want
to
be
sure
if
I
sent
my
wife
an
email
today
and
then
send
it
from
my
desktop.
That's
plugged
into
the
wall
sent
another
email
tomorrow.
C
So
there
are
multiple
answers,
but
I'll
be
very
simple.
If
you
had
a
static
ip
address
which
it
was
assigned
and
paid
for
by
you,
it
could
be
the
same
address
over
a
long
period
of
time.
If
you
have
a
dynamic
or
dhcp
ip
address,
it
can
change
every
time.
The
lease
renews
that
can
be
a
power
cycle,
a
trouble.
Something
else
happens.
C
It
could
be
the
same
or
be
different,
and
if
you
have
cgn
it
will
fall
under
the
same
ip
address
under
for
us
under
40,
but
it
will
change
as
well,
and
so
it
may
not
change
our
customers
may
not
change
for
30
days.
They
may
change
every
30
minutes,
it's
all
according
to
its
dynamic
of
what's
going
on
in
the
network
itself,
but.
G
C
C
C
G
And
thank
you,
mr
chair.
All
right.
I
hope
you
guys
can
answer
this
and
and
if
I
go
off
in
a
weird
way,
then
just
stop
me,
but
I
wanted
to.
I
thought
I
thought
I
thought
it'd
be
good
for
the
community
to
hear
this
and
understand
that
this.
So
as
I
see
it,
this
ipv4
was
the
initial
way
that
all
these
millions
and
millions
of
ip
addresses
were,
and
they
thought
that
was
going
to
be
enough
when
the
internet
was.
G
G
Right,
there's
no
in
this
world
we're
going
to
use
all
these
ipv4
addresses
millions
of
them
billions.
Maybe
so,
then
they
realized
back
in.
I
guess
around
well,
it
says
on
wikipedia
here
february
3rd
2011.
They
ran
out
right
and
they
had
a
few
left
and
as
they
released
those
and
then
then,
in
april
they
ran
ran
out
of
those.
Then
they
started
this
recycling
technology
throughout
that
time
they
did
the
recycling
technology.
They
had
been
working
on
the
ipv6,
which
is
going
to
provide
exponentially
more
than
ipv4.
G
But
the
point
I'm
getting
at
what
I'm
reading
here
is
you
just
can't
flip
a
switch
and
go
from
four
to
six,
because
there's
they're
not
interoperable
right.
So
that
means
you
can't
just
say:
okay,
we're
gonna
go
from
four
to
six.
Tomorrow,
boom
everybody's
using
six,
the
fours
are
gone.
It
sounds
like
there's
some
sort
of
phase
in
process
and
according
what
I'm
reading
it
looks
like
it
says
here
on
wikipedia
completion
of
ipv6
deployment
is
expected
to
take
considerable
time.
G
N
G
N
G
N
N
B
B
B
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
based
on
what
we've
heard
today,
I
think
maybe
we
want
to
move
all
the
states
and
the
world
along
on
ipv6.
Maybe
we
ought
to
incentivize
the
creation
of
websites
or
that
do
that
or
disincentivize
those
that
are
still
using
the
ipv4
version
and
try
to
move
the
industry
in
that
direction.
But
with
that
being
said,
based
upon
everything
we've
heard
today,
I
I
think
this
bill
is
not
ready.
There's
too
many
complications
that
I'd
move
for
a
summer
study.
F
F
F
A
E
Mr
chairman
and
committee
members,
this
is
actually
an
effort
that
I
started
my
freshman
year
when
I
was
first
elected
over
the
legislative
plaza
looking
at
creating
baseline
standards
for
criminal
monitoring
companies.
So
again
we're
not
talking
about
interlock
here,
and
this
amendment
specifically
excludes
interlock
providers.
This
we're
talking
about
folks
who
are
doing
transdermal
gps,
other
types
of
of
electronic
monitoring.
What
we
know
is
that
this
technology
changes
every
day
there
are
now
you
know,
pieces
of
technology
that
can
be
worn
on
your
wrist.
E
They
can
attach
to
an
iphone
that,
can
you
know,
track
folks
and
make
sure
they
show
up
for
court,
I
mean
so
there's
any
level
up
to.
You
know
high-risk
offenders,
all
the
way
down
to
low-level
folks.
That
just
need
a
reminder
to
get
to
court,
but
there
are
no
baseline
standards,
and
so,
when
I
started
this,
I
admittedly
went
about
it.
I
think
the
wrong
way,
which
was
using
a
congressional
research
report.
I
looked
at
sort
of
baseline
standards
for
for
pieces
of
technology,
but
as
I've
just
laid
out
the
technology
changes
so
quickly.
E
You
run
the
risk
of
passing
a
bill.
That's
obsolete
within
six
weeks
of
passing
it
or
you
won't,
run
the
risk
of
picking
and
choosing
winners
and
losers
of
one
type
of
technology
over
another.
So
what
the
amendment
that's
before
you
does,
is
it
borrows
from
from
some
of
our
neighboring
states,
creating
baseline
standards
for
how
these
companies
who
want
to
provide
these
services
to
government
entities
should
behave,
how
they
provide
training
the
the
types
of
requirements
that
they've
got
to
meet
as
far
as
an
insurance?
E
You
know
general
liability
policy
and
then
also
the
directors
and
the
employees
meeting
a
certain
standard
of
moral
turpitude
and
not
being
having
been
convicted
of
certain
crimes
or
or
pled
to
certain
crimes.
So
that's
what
the
amendment
before
you
does
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
again
this
has
been
a
multi-year
effort
to
try
and
just
create
some
baseline
standards
right
now.
E
I'm
sure
we've
got
a
lot
of
very
good
actors
in
this
industry
and
I've
met
many
of
them,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
fly
by
nights
coming
in.
You
know
renting
devices
out
of
the
trunk
of
their
car
and
then
never
monitoring.
The
folks
that
they're
supposed
to
be
responsible
for
so
that's
the
purpose
of
this
and
I
move
passage.
D
The
entire
time
you've
been
here,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
have
a
really
high
standard
of
anyone
that
that
is
providing
electronic
monitoring
most
of
the
actors
out.
There
do
a
really
good
job,
but
at
the
same
time,
setting
that
high
standard
and
making
sure
you
don't
have
any
bad
actors
is
a
a
very
noble
effort.
So
I
appreciate
you
carrying
the
bill.
Thank
you,
but
I
just
want
to
tell
the
committee
there.
There
may
be
some
tiny
changes
between
this
week
and
next
week.
D
A
A
A
E
Yes,
sir,
wish
to
move
amendment
code
to
14285
you're
recognized
on
the
amendment.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
members.
This
bill
actually
came
to
me
by
chairman
howell
from
his
district,
his
district
attorney,
having
seen
the
work
that
we
did
on
expungement
last
year
that
this
committee
worked
hard
on.
A
A
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
no
we're
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2102
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal,
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye.
Let's
oppose
the
ice
prevail
and
move
on
the
full
criminal.
Thank
you.
Sir
item
number
six
house
bill
2329
by
chairman
curcio
motion.
You
have
a
motion
and
second
to
recognize.
There
is
an
amendment
code,
16697.
E
E
Thank
you
very
much
members.
This
deals
with
the
prevalence
of
cyber
security
incidents
that
have
increased
over
the
past
decade
and
so
it's
necessary
to
update
tennessee
statutes
on
the
subject.
Our
state's
cyber
crime
statute
is
known
as
the
tennessee
personal
and
commercial
computer
act
of
2003,
and
I
think
we
can
all
imagine
the
changes
that
have
happened
with
our
personal
computer
since
2003,
which
are
vast.
So
this
bill,
as
amended,
makes
three
changes
to
the
act.
First,
it
increases
the
penalties
for
certain
offenses
under
the
act
to
a
class,
a
misdemeanor.
E
The
bill
creates
the
new
class,
a
misdemeanor
offense
of
possessing
a
computer
contaminant,
otherwise
known
as
malware.
And
finally,
the
bill
has
emitted
deletes
a
redundant
section
of
code
relative
to
the
transmission
of
electronic
signals
by
a
local
exchange
company,
and
with
that
I
would
move
passage.
E
D
I
think
we're
sharing
mr,
but
I
know
I
mentioned
this
to
you
the
other
day,
but
in
this
particular
instance.
Where
would
the
venue
be
on
these
crimes?
Where
would
they
be
prosecuted?
Because
I
know
in
the
past
we've
had
identity
theft
and
theft,
issues
that
we
specifically
put
venue
in
this
state,
and
so
if
someone
in
another
country
or
another
state
is
trying
to
take
advantage
of
one
of
our
citizens
which
happens
in
these
instances,
a
lot
it
does,
does
it
specify
where
the
venue
would
be.
E
A
D
Thank
you,
and
that
is
exactly
what
I
was
looking
for.
So
venue
would
be
here.
We
go
after
these
folks
as
another
question,
so
some
of
these
type
of
crimes
are
graded.
As
theft
I
mean
vandalism
and
theft
are
kind
of
great.
It
gets
worse
as
it
goes
up.
Is
there
anything
in
this
bill
that
would
preclude
someone
from
pursuing
charges
under
the
theft
statute
in
any
way.
B
A
Any
other
questions
for
legal
while
we're
out
of
session
saying
none.
Thank
you.
We'll
go
back
into
session,
we're
back
on
the
amendment.
Any
other
questions
on
the
amendment
saying
no
we're
now
voting
to
adopt
amendment
code,
16697
on
the
house
bill
2329,
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
as
opposed
as
prevail.
You
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
2329
is
amended.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
of
committee,.
A
H
A
H
A
H
H
H
Thanks
to
work
that
our
d.a
and
the
faith
community
has
been
able
to
do
when
we
have
individuals
who
are
witnesses
at
crime
scenes
depending
upon
the
area
of
town
depending
upon
the
nature
of
the
crime
itself.
Quite
often
the
investigation
is
stymied
because
the
witnesses
are
fearful
for
their
safety
or
the
safety
of
their
families.
H
H
Dear
representative
hardaway,
as
district
attorney
for
shelby
county
support
house
bill,
2806
senate
bill
2716,
and
your
efforts
in
this
important
area,
the
job
we
do
as
prosecutors
depends
upon
the
cooperation
and
participation
of
the
victims
and
witnesses
to
a
crime.
Someone
has
to
report
a
crime
police
need
witnesses
to
solve
the
crime
and
build
a
case.
Prosecutors
have
judges
and
juries
to
convince
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt.
H
We
are
often
faced
with
victims
and
witnesses,
unwilling
to
cooperate
or
participate.
They
fear
retaliation,
especially
when
they
live
in
the
same
neighborhood
as
those
committing
the
crimes.
The
result
is
too
many.
Violent
crimes
go
unsolved
and
perpetrators
remain
free
to
victimize,
more
citizens
relocating
witnesses
and
assisting
them
with
fresh
starts
takes
resources.
Prosecutors
officers
do
not
have
the
pilot
will
help
us
get
crime,
victims
and
witnesses
out
of
harm's
way
and
help
us
get
violent
offenders
off
the
streets
in
our
community
by
providing
resources,
support
and
fresh
starts
amywark
district
attorney
general.
H
The
way
that
the
bill
is
rewritten.
Mr
chairman,
the
the
office
of
criminal
justice
programs
will
assist
the
municipalities,
law
enforcement
agencies
and
non-profit
organizations
that
provide
witness
protection.
Relocation
and
assistance
services
in
finding
and
obtaining
grant
funds
from
both
public
and
private
sources
to
facilitate
the
provision
of
the
following
to
witnesses
of
crime,
armed
protection
or
escort
by
law
enforcement
officials
or
security
personnel
before
during
or
subsequent
to
legal
proceedings.
H
Assist
in
developing
the
pilot
program
by
giving
guidance
to
the
existence
of
grants
and
other
resources
that
could
benefit
the
pilot
program
and
move
it
along
we're
not
asking
that
any
funds
be
appropriated
or
obligated
or
expended
unless
the
funds
are
specifically
appropriated
by
the
general
appropriations
act.
That's
in
section
two
of
the
amendment
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
will
entertain
questions.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor
bringing
this
legislation.
It
sounds
like
a
good
effort
to
try
to
address
a
problem
that
we
see
in
many
communities
that
are
experiencing
people
unwilling
to
come
forward
because
they're
scared
of
retribution
by
the
criminals,
and
we
need
to
do
something
to
address
it
and
I'll
be
happy
to
sign
on
to
your
legislation.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
sponsor.
A
Seeing
now
we're
now
voting
to
adopt
amendment
code,
15049
on
the
house,
bill
2806.,
those
in
favor
say
aye,
those
opposed
the
ice
prevent
and
you
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
2806
as
amended
representative
hardaway.
There
is
testimony
requested
on
this
bill,
but
do
you
have
any
comments
that
you
would
like
to
make
representative?
O
O
Our
office
of
criminal
justice
programs,
which
we
affectionately,
call
ocjp
under
the
state
department
of
finance
and
administration
functions
as
a
strategic
planning
agency
that
secures
distributes
and
manages
federal
and
state
funds
related
to
criminal
justice
and
victim
services,
ocjp
utilizes,
strategic
program
management,
a
structured
process
that
looks
three
to
five
years
ahead
of
daily
grants,
management
activities
to
identify
the
changing
needs
of
tennessee's
justice
system
and
the
needs
of
victims
of
violent
crime.
Ocjp
tracks
problems
surfacing
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
O
Monitors
trends
in
tennessee's
communities
assesses
the
conditions
of
the
state's
resources
and
measures
the
recent
performance
of
ocjp,
funded
programs
to
address
crime
and
victimization.
In
tennessee,
we
manage
a
systemic
year-round
cycle
for
determining
communities,
needs,
making
grant
allocation
decisions,
managing
funded
projects
and
evaluating
the
results
of
those
decisions.
O
That
being
said
to
perform
these
office
functions,
ocjp
operates
outside
of
the
criminal
justice
process.
We
do
not
oversee
court
functions
or
criminal
proceedings,
nor
do
we
have
access
to
investigative
files
related
to
criminal
proceedings.
Ocjp
does
not
have
the
direct
connection
to
or
access
to,
information
related
to
witness
protection
or
witness
reimbursement.
O
O
We
also
do
not
have
information
about
any
current
funding
for
witness
protection
and
relocation
services,
current
allowable
and
unallowable
expenses.
Nor
do
we
take
donations
or
private
funding
and
due
to
the
confidential
nature
of
the
investigative
records
again,
we
cannot
determine
the
eligibility
for
this
program,
which
is
a
function
of
the
district
attorney
general's
office
and
or
local
law
enforcement,
because
ocjp
is
outside
of
the
criminal
proceedings
and
determination
of
eligibility
for
witness
protection.
O
O
So
to
insert
a
cjp
in
the
process
could
result
also
in
duplicative
reimbursement,
as
we
do
not
provide
oversight
of
the
da's
or
the
clerks,
and
we
stand
apart
from
the
criminal
proceedings.
We
don't
have
access
to
the
day-to-day
administrative
work
of
these
entities
and
we
do
fund
local
community
victim
services.
Programs
that
provide
some
of
these
services
already.
A
I
From
your
perspective,
would
it
be
more
appropriate
if
you,
if
for
to
try
to
address
representatives
issues
of
the
witness
protection,
try
to
secure
federal
funding,
grant
funding,
pass
those
to
the
da's
conference
and
let
the
because
the
person
dealing
with
these
witnesses
and
so
forth,
or
the
district
attorney's
office
and
the
law
enforcement
they're?
The
ones
probably
have
a
better
idea
who
needs
to
be
protective?
What's
the
best
way
to
provide
the
protection
and
the
use
of
those
funds?
Would
you
comment
on
that?
Please
absolutely.
O
G
H
O
H
H
H
H
O
So
again
I
go
back
to
yes,
our
office
will
figure
out
whatever
we
have
to
do
to
implement
something.
If
it's
put
here,
my
concern
is
that
we're
not
the
best
place
for
it
because
of
what
we
don't
have
access
to
at
this
point
and
the
expertise
that
we
don't
possess
in
this
particular
area.
So
again,
we
will
develop
as
necessary.
It's
just
that
there's
already
a
process
in
place.
That's
with
the
district
attorney
general's
conference
for
a
victim
witness.
They
already
have
access
to
the
investigative
records
and
that's
my
concern
to
evaluate
the
project.
O
If
I
don't
have
access
to
the
records,
I
don't
know
if
the
victim
or
witness
that
got
resources
was
in
danger
or
was
just
pickpocketed
and
not
in
danger.
I
don't
have
the
access
to
determine
that
the
funds
that
I
put
towards
the
project
were
used
for
what
the
intent
of
the
grant
program
is.
That's
my
concern.
H
Okay
and
and
just
using
your
example
that
evaluation
of
whether
the
witnesses
are
in
danger
or
not
in
danger
when
they're
brought
into
the
program
and
for
my
colleagues
the
reason
that
I
got
into
this
is
that
we
would
have
law
enforcement
show
up
at
a
crime
scene.
Everybody
there
may
have
seen
what
happened.
H
Nobody
is
willing
to
commit
to
to
testifying
to
serving
as
a
witness
because
they
got
to
live
there.
The
family
lives
there.
They
have
friends,
they
got
to
go
home
and
by
the
time
that
it
gets
back
to
the
the
da's
office
and
they
sit
and
they
figure
out
the
strategy
come
back
out.
Looking
for
people
they're
long
gone,
nobody
wants
to
be
involved.
H
So
one
of
the
main
concerns
here
is
when
an
individual
is
at
a
crime
scene
that
law
enforcement
would
be
able
to
offer
under
this
pilot
program,
immediate
assistance
without
it
going
through
a
whole
lot
of
red
tape
and
evaluation,
and
that
witness
would
receive
resources
right
there
on
the
spot.
That
law
enforcement
could
would
have
discretion
on
in
order
to
secure
the
safety
of
that
witness
and
thus
secure
the
testimony
of
that
witness.
O
H
B
H
O
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
I
also
know
that
when
I
am
audited
by
the
comptroller
others,
I
have
to
ensure
that
my
grant
funding
went
to
eligible
clients
and
so
that
that's
my
only
concern,
but
I
I
can
figure
it
out.
But
that
is
my
concern.
Is
that
when
I'm
audited,
I
don't
have
the
ability
and
I'm
not
the
only
grant
making
agency
in
the
state.
There
are
other
offices
that
do
grants
that
may
have
access
to
those
investigative
records.
H
O
H
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Let
me
ask
you
briefly:
would
it
solve
the
issues
you
have
with
the
monitoring
issues
if
you
were
simply
directed
under
this
legislation
to
be
the
pass-through
entity
to
get
the
grants
from
the
feds?
It's
probably
the
usdoj
and
then
simply
pass
those
through
to
the
d.a
in
shelby
county
as
part
of
the
pilot
program
and
let
the
d.a
or
the
tbi
there
or
the
local
law
enforcement
be
responsible
for
compliance.
I
As
far
as
from
comptroller
oversight
and
review,
all
you
would
be
doing
required
to
get
the
funds.
If
you
get
a
million
dollars
or
500
000,
you
can
pass
that
500
000
to
the
da's
and
it's
up
to
the
da's
to
meet
all
the
other
grant
requirements
that
or
the
specifications
go
along
with
that
grant
from
the
feds.
Would
that
solve
the
issue
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
we're
bouncing
around
at.
O
H
If
there's
some
tweaking
to
be
done,
then
I'm
as
I
expressed
earlier,
I'm
willing
to
sit
down
with
ojp
and
put
the
appropriate
language
in
that
will
ensure
that
when
the
comptroller
comes
auditing
that
he
holds
the
the
correct
people
responsible-
and
I
think
those
in
the
end
will
be
those
the
end
user
of
the
the
grants
when
they
accept
the
grants.
They
accept
the
grants
with
conditions,
and
with
that,
mr
chairman,
pending
any
questions,
I
would
ask
for
an
affirmative
vote
by
my
colleagues.
A
G
You,
mr
chairman,
I
I
know
I'm
out
of
order,
but
I
wanted
us
the
committee
to
recognize
a
group
of
outstanding
students
from
baylor's
school
in
chattanooga.
I
have
some
constituents
whose
children
go
to
baylor
school
in
chattanooga
and
beautiful
school
been
there
for
many
many
years,
a
90-acre
campus,
a
great
private
school
and
just
want
to
say,
welcome
to
this
group
of
students.
Let's
make
them
welcome.
A
A
H
A
B
B
The
bill
is
written
as
these
groups,
the
aoc,
the
department
of
children,
services
and
the
commission
on
children
and
youth
to
jointly
submit
an
annual
report
with
this
data.
The
amendment
simply
appointed
aoc
as
sort
of
the
head
of
of
making
that
submission
of
the
report.
We
were
kind
of
worried
about
there
being
you
know
too
many
chiefs
kind
of
situation
and
and
thought
it
could
be
improved
by
saying
the
aoc
would
be
mainly
responsible
in
collaboration
with
dcs
and
and
the
commission.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
had
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
and
mr
layman,
you
may
know
these:
are
we
already
producing
a
report
that
already
gathers
this
information
and
some
other
format,
and
it's
just
it's
just
gonna
be
a
a
duplicate
effort
or
if
you
know,
and
because
this
is
gonna,
be
a
a
reenactment.
I
believe,
of
a
2019
report,
and
I
agree
with
your
comments
that
we
ought
to
put
the
aoc,
probably
as
a
lead
on
the
report
and
have
the
other
agency
simply
assist.
B
H
Thank
you,
and
we
had
in
the
situation
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
One
of
the
problems
is
that
there
was
information
that
was
not
submitted
period
not
wasn't
submitted
in
a
timely
fashion.
Just
was
not
submitted
and
that's
one
of
the
ways.
One
of
the
ways,
rather
that
we
want
to
get
to
that
is
through
the
reporting
requirements,
and
do
you
have
comments
on
that?
Sir.
B
B
A
A
M
M
Now
often
we
take
that
from
a
standpoint
of
a
victim
saying
the
victim
or
the
victim's
family.
If
justice
delayed,
then
it's
justice
denied
for
that.
But
the
bill
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
today
is
a
bill
that
there's
times
that
justice
has
got
it
wrong
and
it
extended
gets
it
wrong
and
we,
as
a
legislature,
the
ones
who
set
policies
should
want
to
make
sure
that
justice
isn't
delayed
for
the
victim
or
for
the
person
who's
innocent,
because
it's
been
denied
over
the
summer.
M
M
It
becomes
incredibly
more
difficult
for
people
who
don't
have
a
lot
of
money.
I
speak
for
people
in
east
tennessee
who
struggle
financially,
if
you're
in
the
justice
system
in
america
and
in
tennessee
without
financial
resources,
you
find
yourself
in
a
place.
That's
almost
impossible
to
navigate
this
guy.
That
chairman
curcio
and
I
listened
to
his
story.
M
He
was
eventually
exonerated
got
out
of
prison,
but
he
still
has
a
felony
on
his
record
unless
the
governor
gives
clemency,
even
though
all
the
stuff
was
done,
the
d.a
said
we
got
it
wrong.
We've
got
him
out
of
prison.
He
still
has
a
felony
on
his
record.
I
brought
a
bill
that
says:
hey.
We
need
to
have
some
type
of
avenue
for
the
have-nots,
who
don't
have
this
huge
amount
of
bank
account
can
hire
the
best
attorneys
that
money
can
buy,
have
an
avenue
for
them
to
be
able
to
get
out
of
it.
M
Now
the
da's
they
fought
this
viciously,
they
worked
and
made
sure
it
got
killed
in
the
senate.
So
that's
why
I'm
not
asking
for
a
vote
today,
but
I
want
you
to
know
it.
They
say
well,
it
doesn't
happen
very
often
they
said
in
my
office
said
in
chairman
curcio's
office.
This
doesn't
happen
very
often
and
my
question
for
them
and
for
y'all
that
I
believe
we
need
to
study
this
if
it
happens
once
it's
worth
it,
and
why
is
that?
M
Because
if
it
was
your
child,
if
it
was
your
dad,
if
it's
somebody
that
you
loved
who
was
sitting
in
prison
for
something
they
didn't
commit,
and
then
evidence
came
out
later
on
that
they
in
fact
were
innocent,
would
you
not
want
an
express
lane
to
get
them
out
of
prison
expresslane
to
get
the
felony
off
of
their
record
right
now?
In
tennessee
we
don't
have
an
express
lane.
Justice
delayed
is
justice
denied,
and
I
would
tell
this
committee
and
those
watching
the
da's.
M
It's
not
all
right
for
us
as
a
state
to
have
a
policy
that
it's
so
cumbersome
for
just
the
average
guy
that
he
can't
get
out
of
something
that
he
was
innocent
of
in
the
first
place
and-
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
make
sure
that
they
come
to
the
table
and
not
just
go-
get
a
d.a
to
work.
Somebody
in
the
senate,
but
come
to
the
table
and
say
hey.
E
Chairman
curcio,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
the
sponsor's
passion
for
this
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
some
context
here.
I
did
meet
with
my
constituent,
who
unfortunately,
was
convicted
and
sentenced
to
15
years
for
a
murder
that
he
didn't
commit
for
a
rape
that
he
didn't
commit.
Now
the
rape
charge
was
dropped,
he
pled
to
manslaughter,
but
he
didn't
commit
any
of
it
and
there
was
dna
evidence
that
that
proved
that
he
didn't
commit
any
of
it.
E
But,
as
chairman
faison
has
outlined,
there's
not
a
clear
legal
avenue
to
move
forward,
even
though
you
had
folks
inside
the
district
attorney's
general's
office,
saying
yes,
we
got
this
one
wrong.
We
recommend
that
he
be
released
immediately
there
there's
not.
I
mean
I
think
the
average
tennessean
is
surprised
to
hear
that.
There's
not
you
know.
I
asked
folks
at
a
rotary
club.
I
was
speaking
at
one
time.
I
said:
what
do
you
think
would
happen
if
you
were
sitting
in
prison
for
a
murder
and
dna
evidence
came
forward
or
scientific
evidence
came
forward.
E
That
proved
that
you
had
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
it,
not
that
you
were
guilty
of
a
lesser
crime,
but
that
you
just
physically
did
not
do
it.
They
said,
oh
well,
you
just
get
to
walk
out
and
knock
on
the
judge's
door
and
say:
hey
you
got
the
wrong
guy
and
then
they
let
you
go.
Nope
doesn't
work
that
way.
There's
not
a
legal
avenue
for
innocence,
there's
a
rid
of
coram
nobis.
There
is
clemency.
E
Those
those
avenues
are
available,
but
they're
very
difficult.
You
know
the
governor's
looking
at
a
needle
and
a
haystack.
Basically
so
what
I
loved
about
this
this
language
is
that
it
talks
about
new
evidence
was
never
considered
before
wasn't
available
at
the
time
and
if
it
were
no
reasonable
judge,
no
reasonable
jury
would
have
convicted
this
person.
E
So
I
won't
be
here
next
year
to
have
this
conversation,
but
I
encourage
chairman,
faison
and
others
to
to
continue
looking
at
this,
we're
not
saying
that
people
do
this
intentionally,
it's
not
an
intentional
bad
act,
but
again,
if
there's,
if
there's
even
a
small
percentage
of
cases
that
end
up
this
way,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
an
avenue
to
look
at
them.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
the
time.
Thank
you
brief
response.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
the
bill.
I
agree
justice
delayed
as
justice
denied,
but
the
the
fact
is
that
the
justice
that's
denied
is
the
justice
not
just
to
the
the
individual
who
was
innocent
and
convicted
and
suffered
the
sentencing
penalties,
but
also
for
the
victim,
the
the
victim's
family,
who
have
no
closure,
because
the
case
was
considered
to
be
solved
and
the
perpetrators
still
roaming,
the
streets
and
perhaps
even
committing
more
atrocities.
P
D
Famous
chairman
and
to
my
friend
you've
served
many
years
down
here
I
mean
they're
on
their
final
calendar
over
there.
I
think
they're
having
their
final
meeting
today.
You've
worked
valiantly
on
this
and
I
I
applaud
your
efforts,
but
for
today's
purposes,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
taking
it
off
notice,
simply
because
the
senate
has
not
acted
on
it,
you've
done
everything
you
should.
D
You
could
have
done
to
get
this
presented,
but
unfortunately
it
it,
you
know,
takes
both
chambers
and
it
just
didn't
happen
at
this
juncture,
but
I
I
applaud
your
efforts
in
this
and
you've
brought
bills
like
this
in
in
years
past
that
we've
all
supported,
but
it
just
it
takes
both
chambers
to
get
it
done.
So
thank
you
and.
P
And
factually,
as
you
just
stated,
I
I
do
understand,
and
I
do
know
and
last
leg
of
the
last
leg
of
the
of
the
race
there's
no
chance
I
understand,
but
still
on
the
record.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
put
it
on
the
record
for
the
ability
to
bring
it
back
next
year,
because
something
has
to
be
done.
Gentlemen,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
it
just
has
to
be
done
and
it
goes
all
the
way
down
to
forfeiture
of
the
property
just
the
whole
night.
P
A
Thank
you
thank
you
for
your
work
representative
towns
on
this
subject
and
without
objection,
house,
bill,
25
or
27
51
we'll
be
off
notice.
Thank
you.
Members.
Thank
you.
Next
item
on
our
counter
number
15
house
bill
2790
by
representative
shaw,
saying
he's
not
here
without
objection
house
bill
2790
will
be
off
notice.
A
A
A
Q
Thank
you,
sir.
This
is
a
bill
that
I've
been
working
on,
for
goodness,
probably
going
on
three
and
a
half
years
now,
and
I'm
going
to
describe
a
little
bit
of
the
problem
and
then
tell
you
what
what
this
bill
hopes
to
do
so
currently
within
the
victims
of
rape
and
sexual
abuse,
can
have
an
advocate
that
can
come
and
sit
with
them
as
they
are
getting
their
rape
kit
done.
Q
During
this
extreme
moment
of
of
trauma,
the
victim
may
say,
things
like
I
should
have
known
better
or
I
shouldn't
have
had
that
last
drink
or
people
warned
me
or
any
number
of
of
statements
that
could
be
used
against
them
when
that
case
goes
to
court.
These
victim
advocates
are
subpoenaed
to
go
to
court
and
testify
against
the
same
person
that
that
days
weeks
months
a
year
earlier,
they
were
literally
holding
their
hand
and
helping
them
and
they're
put
in
in
impossible
situations.
Q
We
currently
provide
this
protection
to
to
lawyers,
to
doctors,
to
actual
therapists
that
if
they
have
that
fiduciary
responsibility
and
and
what
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
allow
for
victim
advocates
to
have
the
same
confidentiality
and
not
be
called
into
a
court
proceedings
to
have
to
testify
against
who
was
their
their
client.
And
with
that
I'd
like
to
answer
any
questions.
D
That
the
issue
that
I
have
with
the
amendment
with
the
bill
at
this
juncture
is
that
it
doesn't
make
that
information
confidential
anywhere
except
court
in
the
bill.
If
you
don't
mind,
why
is
that?
Because
if
someone
can
share
it
on
facebook
or
they
can
share
with
a
friend
or
they
can
share
it
at
the
grocery
store,
they
can
share
it
at
church
or
anywhere
else,
but
the
only
thing
we're
protecting
is
that
they're
not
subpoenaed
to
share
that
same
information
in
court.
D
It
just
seems
to
kind
of
defeat.
The
purpose
I
mean
the
example
of
a
lawyer.
I
mean,
if
I'm
having
a
confidential
conversation
with
a
client.
I
can't
share
that
information
with
anyone
without
their
permission.
Now,
if
that's
what
the
bill
said,
I
mean
that
that
would
be
much
stronger,
but
to
limit
it
just
to
court
seems
almost
bizarre
to
me.
So
it
is
there
something
I'm
missing.
What,
if
you
don't
mind.
Q
Q
They
are
sharing
with
you
potentially
confidential
information
that
that
the
public
at
large
does
not
need
to
hear
what
what
the
the
confidentiality
that
that
I'm
trying
to
protect
is
again
a
victim
in
a
moment
of
extreme
trauma,
sharing
something
that
they
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
process
yet,
and
that
is
then
used
against
them
in
a
court
proceeding,
and
so
it's
not
that
the
information
is
necessarily
secret.
Many
of
these
cases-
people
it's
in
the
news-
people
talk
about
it
very
openly.
D
And
thank
you
for
that,
but
unless
it's
going
to
go
all
the
way
and
make
this
information
confidential
and
truly
protect
those
victims
from
that
information
being
out
there,
I
can't
support
the
bill.
As
written
I
mean
I
and
where
you're
headed
seems
like
a
really
good
place,
but
it
just
seems
bizarre
to
me
that
that
information
could
be
shared
with
anybody
else,
but
in
a
court
of
law
where
we're
trying
to
get
at
the
truth
and
chairman
face
it
was
just
in
here
a
while
ago.
D
Talking
about
you
know,
someone
wrongfully
convicted
being
to
try
to,
you
know,
prove
their
innocence,
and
if
it's
con,
if
it's
not
confidential,
then
it's
not
confidential.
If
it
is,
then
fine
go
all
the
way
and
say
it's
confidential
everywhere,
but
if
we're
not
willing
to
do
that,
it
just
seems
bizarre
to
say
you
can
talk
about
it
with
anybody
else
except
in
court.
So
that's
just
my
only
issue.
Q
And
so
I
I
would,
I
would
ask
you
this
question:
are:
are
you
and
are
doctors
and
and
lawyers
and
and
other
therapists?
Are
they
legally
bound
by
that
confidentiality
or
is
it
part
of
their
their
ethics?
And
I
know
within
therapists
specifically
it's
it's
not
a
legal
or
civil
violation,
it's
part
of
their
code
of
ethics,
so
they
can
be
found
in
violation
of
their
individual
ethics
if
they
share
the
information.
D
And
you're
absolutely
right,
but
you're,
covering
much
more
than
just
those
professions
that
have
an
ethical
obligation
that
will
lose
their
license
if
they,
if
they
share
that.
So
if
you
were
just
focusing
on
professions
that
have
that
ethical
obligation
and
they're
licensed
professionals,
but
your
bill
goes
way
beyond
that
into
other
professions.
That,
to
my
knowledge,
don't
have
that
requirement.
So
again,
if
it
was
just
as
lawyers
are
you're
ethically
bound
not
to
then,
yes,
that
that
would
solve
the
issue
but
you're.
D
D
But
again,
unless
it's
confidential
everywhere,
it
should
not
be
blocked
from
being
able
to
brought
into
court
so
that
the
truth
can
be
found.
I
mean
that's
what
that's
what
matters,
and
I
I
want
any
victim
of
crime
to
be
shielded
from
having
to
go
through
that
process.
But
it
is
a
critical
process
that
we
have
to
protect
everyone's
rights
and
particularly
someone
charged
of
a
crime.
So
unless
it's
confidential
everywhere,
I
just
can't
see
how
we
would
make
it
confidential.
Just
in
court.
Q
Sure
so,
and,
and
I'd
like
to
drive
by
his
attention
to
to
section
c,
I
believe
and
and
section
c
does-
allow
if
it's,
if
it's
relevant
to
the
court
case,
that
they
can
come
in
and
speak
to
a
judge,
if
the
judge
deems
it
appropriate
it
can,
it
can
be
heard
and
if
the
victim
advocate
did
in
fact
make
a
claim
against
somebody,
they
would
absolutely
by
a
constitutional
right,
be
able
to
cross-examine
them.
So
it
doesn't
disallow
anybody
from
from
defending
themself.
Q
This
is
simply
allowing
somebody
who,
again
in
a
in
a
horrible
moment
of
of
deep
crisis,
they
say
something
that
they
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
fully
process
and,
and
that
cannot
be
used
against
them
in
in
the
court
case
and
and
the
the
victim
shaming
that
that
I
have
heard
in
the
past.
Somebody
says
you
know
I
I
knew
I
shouldn't
have
worn
x,
y
or
z.
I
knew
I
shouldn't
have
been
there
a
person,
regardless
of
what
they're,
wearing
how
much
they've
had
to
drink.
Q
Q
We
have.
We
have
changed
this
probably
five
different
times
to
get
everybody
on
board
and
okay
with
it,
and
I
believe
that
the
bill
as
it
stands
and
the
posture
it
is
today,
is
the
best
way
for
us
to
make
sure
that
these
victims
of
rape
and
sexual
abuse
are
protected
in
in
a
court
of
law.
And
with
that
I'd
like
to
answer
the
questions.
Thank.
I
You
very
much,
mr
chairman,
this
is
the
problem
I
have
with
this
bill.
What
this
bill
would
do
if
a
victim
advocate
is
with
a
victim
and
they're
sitting
around
the
hospital,
and
you
know
waiting
for
the
rape
examination
to
take
place
or
something
like
that.
It's
and
potentially,
fairly
recently
after
the
attack
or
whatever
the
victim
may
make
certain
statements
about
the
potential,
perpetrator
or
the
perpetrator,
and
they
might
make
a
statement
that
say
well,
I
think
the
guy
he
was
really
heavyset
or
something
like
that
or
whatever.
I
And
then
you
know
six
months
or
you
know
nine
months
a
year
later
down
the
road.
They
rest
some
other
guy,
and
you
know
it's
not
a
heavyset
guy
or
something
like
that.
But
and
a
defendant
is
entitled
to
know
what
identification
statements
the
victim
made
about
the
perpetrator
in
order
to
defend
himself
and
in
in
this
scenario
that
I
portray
and
paint
is,
I
don't
think
it's
really
that
unlikely
to
occur.
I
You
know
the
victim
advocate
would
have
to
come
forward
and
disclose
all
this
before
the
defense,
counsel
or
defendant
would
even
know
to
to
get
the
person
on
the
stand,
and
I
read
the
the
bill
and
I
think
I
think
I'm
reading
it
correctly.
You
know
you've
got
to
have
the
the
victims
consent
before
the
victim
could
come
forward
and
disclose
all
that.
So
this
to
me
this
is
a
bill.
That's
going
to
potentially
hide
the
truth
from
a
trier
of
fact,
and
it
really
concerns
me
that
so
that's
my
concerns
the
bill.
Q
Representative,
freeman
yeah
and
again,
if
you,
if
you
read
the
complete
bill,
section
c,
says,
does
not
limit
the
ability
of
a
court
to
compel
disclosure.
If
upon
motion
of
the
party,
the
court
determines,
after
an
in-camera
review
that,
and
it
goes
through
all
of
the
all
of
this.
The
reasons
within
and
and
the
job
of
the
victim
advocate
is
not
law
enforcement.
They
are
not
a
law
enforcement
per,
they
are
not
they're,
not
making
the
case
for
against
their
client.
That
is
not
their
job.
I
Q
And
law
enforcement
will
be
on,
I
mean
part
of
the
process
and
part
of
the
same
kit
and
the
the
rape
kit
testing
is
a
an
in-depth
interview,
and
if
that
person
would
like
to
press
charges,
they
have
to
make
a
case
with
law
enforcement
on
what
it
is.
This
is
not
I
mean
I
listen.
I
wish
that
I
wish
that
rape
and
sexual
abuse
wasn't
a
thing.
Q
I
wish
that
this
was
not
something
that
we
were
having
to
deal
with,
but
it
is
and
having
someone
at
their
lowest
moment
saying
an
offhanded
comment
that
is
then
used
against
them
in
a
court
of
law
is,
is
not
keeping
in
the
spirit
we
already
give
this
protection
to.
If
a
nurse
goes
into
the
room
and
says
it
I
I
mean:
do
you
have
an
issue
if
an
if
the
same
person
says
it
to
a
nurse.
I
You're
you're
you're
requiring
a
defendant
or
defense
attorney
to
know
about
certain
statements
that
may
or
may
not
have
been
made
to
the
victim
advocate
they
they're
not
there.
They
have
no
idea
what
was
said
and
what's
wrong
with
simply
if,
if
someone's
allowing
statements
to
come
in,
I
shouldn't
have
had
that
last
drink
or
something
like
that.
That's
on
the
judge
in
the
process,
but
if
it's,
you
know
identification
purposes
or
something
like
that.
I
That's
a
whole
nother
matter,
because
that
matters
who
did
the
offense
who
committed
the
crime
and
who
might
go
to
prison
for
a
crime,
whether
they're,
innocent
or
not
innocent,
so
that
that's
this
and
this
bill
is
going
to
protect
potentially
exculpatory
statements
from
getting
to
the
defense.
So
someone
can
vigorously
defend
themselves
against
a
potentially
a
wrongful
charge.
Q
I
just
couldn't
couldn't
disagree
more,
we
have.
We
have
cases
where
there
is
actual
dna
evidence.
There
is
photographic
evidence
of
abuse
and
people
are
not
going
to
jail,
and
if
you,
if
you
believe
that
not
allowing
a
victim
advocate
reporting
on
an
offend
comment,
that
somebody
was
overweight,
is
not
going
to
put
him
into
jail,
the
problem
is
significantly
larger
than
that.
B
B
B
I
can
kind
of
see
why
you
don't
make
it
confidential
the
whole
way
through,
because
a
lot
of
these
victim
advocates
have
to
work
to
get
services
for
that
particular
victim,
and
in
doing
that
they
might
reveal
something
like
she
told
me
that
they
didn't
have
food
that
night
and
that's
what
set
him
off
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
if
she
doesn't
go
to
the
food
bank
say
well,
she
doesn't
have
food.
Well,
then
she
couldn't
she
would
be
not
able
to
communicate
what
the
real
needs
of
the
victim
are.
H
H
So
the
what
you're
getting
at
is
that
the
victims
are
in
essence,
victimized
again
because
they're
in
a
vulnerable
state
and
may
make
a
statement
in
that
emotional
traumatized
state
that
they
may
want
to
withdrawal
or
think
better
of
once.
They've
calmed
down
or
really
settle
down,
and
this
is
just
an
effort
to
keep
that
initial
response
to
the
advocate
confidential.
Q
Outburst,
yes,
sir,
and
and
to
to
further
that
that
point
many
of
the
confidentiality
agreements
that
that
these
these
people
are
held
to
are
part
of
their
code
of
ethics.
The
the
legal
aspect
from
not
being
compelled
to
present
and
testify
in
court
is,
is
exactly
what
I'm
trying
to
address
here
and
yes,
sir.
That's
exactly
correct.
A
E
A
A
Next
item
number
three
house
bill
1308
by
representative
chisholm
without
objection,
be
returned
to
the
clerk's
desk
item
number
four
house
bill
1574
by
representative
stewart
without
objection
return
the
clerk's
desk
item
number
five
house
bill
802
by
representative
griffey.
Without
objection,
return
to
the
clerk's
desk
item
23
or
excuse
me,
six
house
bill
2319
by
representative
hall,
return
to
the
clerk's
desk
item
number
seven
house
bill.
A
2578,
representative
dixie,
returned
to
the
clerk's
desk
item
number
eight
house
bill
2034
by
representative
harris
returned
to
the
clerk's
desk
members
house,
bill
1830
by
representative
parkerson
will
be
returned
to
the
clerk's
desk
and
house
bill
1
by
representative
hardaway
will
be
returned
to
the
clerk's
desk
members.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
committee.
I
appreciate
each
and
every
one
of
you
for
this
year
for
your
hard
work,
diligence
and
dedication
in
the
world
of
criminal
justice
and
the
issues
that
we
faced
chairman
curcio
you're
recognized.
Thank
you.
E
Mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
hard
work.
I
know
when
a
bill
gets
to
full
committee.
It's
been
vetted
and
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done
and
since
I
won't
get
the
opportunity
to
work
with
you
again
next
year,
it's
especially
bittersweet.
So
thank
you
for
all
your
help
this
year.
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.