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House Criminal Justice Committee - March 9, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
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B
A
C
C
A
Thank
you,
chairman
sabiki,
and
I
agree
I
think
I
know
this
has
been
a
much
debated
topic
and,
of
course,
we've
heard
now
four
hours
of
testimony,
both
for
and
against
this
legislation
in
the
subcommittee.
But
there
are
members
of
this
body
who
do
not
serve
on
that
subcommittee,
and
so
we
felt
like
it
would
be
beneficial
to
those
of
you
who
who
aren't
on
the
sub
to
be
able
to
hear
some
of
this
testimony.
A
Having
said
that,
I
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
this
we
have
tried
to
listen
to
as
many
arguments
for
and
arguments
against
this
as
we
possibly
can,
and
this
committee
has
listened
now
to
four
hours
of
testimony
over
two
weeks
on
this
bill,
which
is
very
appropriate.
This
is
this.
We
we
want
to
hear
from
the
people
who
are
impacted
by
the
laws
that
we're
contemplating,
and
so
we
needed
to
take
the
time
to
do
that.
A
But
having
said
that,
we've
also
got
to
have
time
to
do
what
we
were
elected
to
do,
which
is
to
talk
to
each
other
and
debate
the
merits
of
the
bill.
And
so,
if
we
go
on
now
and
have
another
two
weeks
and
four
hours
of
testimony,
this
committee
will
be
no
closer
to
understanding
where
we
are.
We
will
know
exactly
where
you
are.
We
will
have
heard
from
you,
but
we
will
not
have
heard
from
each
other.
A
So
because
of
that,
we
tried
to
choose
two
two
individuals,
an
argument
four
and
an
argument
against
that
summed
up
all
of
the
arguments
for
and
to
get.
So,
while
we
heard
from
several
folks
and
those
components
existed
in
all
of
the
the
testimony
that
we
heard,
we
tried
to
pick
an
argument
against
and
excuse
me
an
argument
four
and
an
argument
against
that
summed
up
all
of
those
all
of
those
various
arguments.
A
Now
we
do
have
a
logistical
problem
because
we
have
to
create
and
maintain
order.
Here
we
have
committee
rules
and
those
rules
say
that
we
do
not
hear
from
folks
who
testified
in
sub
again
in
full
because
it
gets
redundant.
You
can
imagine
on
especially
controversial
pieces
of
legislation,
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
same
folks
over
and
over
and
over
again
at
multiple
steps
along
the
way.
A
D
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
suspend
the
rules
to
allow
testimony
that
was
heard
in
sub
to
be
heard
again
in
full
any
question
about
that.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
The
rules
are
suspended
on
our
list.
We
have
first
testimony
for
miss
jennifer
hamblin,
if
she's
in
the
room,
and
we
will
go
out
of
session
we're
out
of
session.
E
Thank
you
picky
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
Thank
you
to
the
honorable
committee
members
and
again
there's
no
way
that
all
this
can
be
put
out
in
three
minutes,
so
I
would
do
the
best
possible
way
and
being
a
school
board.
Member
I'm
task
was
tasked
with
wearing
a
hat,
to
make
the
best
decisions
and
choices
for
our
students
in
the
state.
Just
like
you
guys
are
choice
tasked
with
doing
that
same
decision
we've
had
a
lot
of
testimony.
We've
had
a
lot
of
passion.
We've
had
a
lot
of
opinions,
we've
had
facts.
E
This
bill
is
not
about
banning
books.
This
bill
is
not
about
banning
resources
that
our
school
has.
This
bill
comes
down
to
one
thing:
we
never
thought
we'd
be
debating
pornography
and
obscenity
in
our
school
districts,
but
that
is
what
we
have
found
these
resources
to
be
in
our
research.
We
have
found
them
in
93
of
our
95
counties,
at
least
one
of
those
books.
E
Another
one
was
found
just
this
friday
in
a
davidson
county
school
system,
and
this
was
one
of
the
books
on
the
list.
I
don't
know
about
you
but
genitals
in
all
shapes
and
sizes.
Does
this
really
have
a
place
in
our
schools
for
our
children
to
see
just
another
level
of
the
obscenity
and
pornography
that
is?
It
is
occurring
in
our
schools.
E
We've
had
some
individuals
who,
I
think,
have
gotten
upset
and
they
may
have
thought
a
personal
attack
was
on
them.
We
found
educators,
school
board
members,
principals,
teachers,
parents,
librarians,
who
didn't
have
a
clue
that
these
books
were
in
their
schools.
That
was
great,
but
unfortunately
we
found
those
who
did
know
they
were
in
their
schools.
E
So
if
anyone
has
knowingly
supported
introduced
utilize,
this
type
of
material
you
might
fit
under
the
category
that
they
have
taken
it
personal
that
they
think
they
may
have
been
tagged
with.
It's
really
simple
guys.
This
comes
down
to
the
fact
that
what
we
are
finding
already
breaks
the
law
and,
unfortunately,
our
school
system,
they're
kind
of
in
a
get
out
of
jail
free
system
because
it
doesn't
apply
to
them.
But
if
an
adult
outside
of
the
school
arena
was
utilizing
any
of
these
I've
had
so
many
attorneys
and
sheriffs
tell
me.
E
Well,
I
know
what
I
would
do
on
the
spot.
They
would
be
in
handcuffs.
So,
let's
evaluate
what
we're
dealing
with
is.
I
know
it's
hard
to
set
opinions
aside
and
things
that
the
people
are
telling
us,
but
if
you're,
okay,
with
your
fourth
grader,
going
to
school
and
learning
about
oral
sex,
the
one
parent
who
called
me
upset
she
goes.
Who
do
I
take
my
daughter
to
to
tell
about
the
orgasms
that
she
was
told
about
at
school?
E
Who
do
I
take
my
daughter
to
to
explain
what
these
vile
words
mean?
I
suggested
she
take
them
right
back
to
her
school
and
have
the
teacher
and
the
principal
in
the
library
and
whoever
explain
why
so
what
this
bill
does
it
just
helps,
put
check
and
balances
in
place
so
that
school
board
members
and
officials
can
do
a
deeper
dive
and
make
sure
that
we
are
not
grooming,
our
kids
and
we're
not
putting
them
in
a
situation
that
we're
having
to
bait
sexual.
E
I
did
a
survey
on
friday
of
20
director
of
schools
in
20
different
counties,
and
I
asked
them
their
opinion
on
obscenity
and
pornography.
19
of
them
were
anything
sexual
was
wrong.
Anything
sexual
needs
to
be
eliminated,
so
they
were
just
as
concerned
now.
We
do
have
those
few
districts
that
did
not
a
separate
poll
of
20
counties.
We
had
seventeen
that
was.
A
A
A
If
you're
here
you
can,
you
can
stand
at
the
podium,
you
can
sit
in
the
chair
either
one
wherever
you're
more
comfortable
as
long
as
your
microphone
is
turned
on.
If
you
could
just
state
your
name
for
the
record,
I
think
I'll
see
it.
Okay,
I
understand
there's
a
button
on
the
microphone.
It
looks
like
a
picture
of
a
voice
coming
out
of
a
mouth
and
make
sure
that
red
light
is
on
yes
you're
on.
If
you
could
just
state
your
name
for
the
record
then
share
with
us
committee.
F
1944
has
already
been
made,
and
nothing
that
I
say
here
today
will
change
your
mind.
It
doesn't
matter
that
tennessee
already
has
a
harmful
deminer's
law
that
does
not
have
an
exception
for
education,
making
this
bill
redundant.
It
doesn't
matter
that
none
of
the
books
being
challenged
here
are
obscene
because
they
haven't
passed.
The
three
conditions
of
the
miller
test
and
can't
be
labeled
as
legally
obscene
doesn't
matter
that
removing
these
books
constitutes
a
first
amendment
violation
that
will
certainly
trigger
lawsuits
in
our
schools.
F
It
doesn't
matter
that
tennessee
school
districts
already
have
reconsideration
policies
in
place
that
are
individual
to
each
district,
so
that
means
coffee
county
is
different
from
murray
counties.
It's
different
from
more
counties,
and
it
doesn't
matter
that
none
of
the
speakers
last
week
actually
went
through
these
reconsideration
policies
in
their
districts.
F
Tennessee
school
libraries
simply
do
not
have
obscene
materials
in
them.
None
of
this
matters
because
it
seems
there's
an
illogical
belief
that
a
vote
against
house
bill
1944
is
a
vote
for
obscenity
in
school.
Libraries,
but
here
I
am
y'all,
I
stand
against
house
bill
1944
and
I
am
anti-obscenity
in
school
libraries.
A
A
G
E
G
F
Thank
you
chair
each
county,
just
like
they
have
different
reconsideration
policies.
Each
county
has
its
own
collection
development
policy,
so
I
can't
say
this
is
the
policy
for
all
libraries,
because
each
school
librarian
writes
theirs
and
there's
a
superintendent
in
principle,
and
there
are
all
these
things
involved
in
writing
policies.
Just
at
the
local
level.
The
way
local
municipalities
are
run.
H
H
A
B
F
You
justice,
burger,
did
call
them
guidelines
and
the
guidelines
are
three-pronged
for
this
and
there
was
a
court
case.
The
pico
court
case,
which
said
that
removing
school
books
from
the
library
violates
the
first
amendment
so
long
as
they
do
not
pass
the
three-prong
conditions
and
I
have
them.
Would
you
like
me
to
read
them
they're
in
the
amendment
I
mean
the
fiscal
note
of
the
bill,
but
I
could
read
them
if
you
want
you're.
F
Okay,
the
first
condition
is
whether
the
average
person
applying
contemporary
community
standards,
so
to
your
point,
representative
griffey,
would
find
the
work
taken
as
a
whole
appeals
to
the
period
interest
two,
whether
the
work
depicts
or
describes
in
a
patently
offensive
way.
Sexual
conduct
specifically
defined
by
the
applicable
state
law
and
three,
whether
the
work
taken
as
a
whole
lacks
serious
literary,
artistic,
political
or
scientific
value,
and
a
book
must
pass
all
three
conditions
to
be
considered
obscene.
H
H
A
H
I
was
not
in
the
subcommittee,
I
don't
serve
on
the
subcommittee,
but
after
the
committee
was
conducted
the
other
day,
and
then
someone
brought
me
a
copy
of
a
book
that
my
understanding,
that
is
in
our
public
education
and
my
understanding.
This
book
is
the
name
of
it
is
me
and
earl,
and
a
dying
girl
is
that
in
maybe
one
of
you
could
is
that
in
our
school
system
in
the
library
somewhere
who
could
answer
that
for
us?
Yes,
ms
hamblin
you're
recognized.
H
H
In
a
section
up
there
where
there
is,
there
is
a
playboy
and
hustler
magazines.
That's
where
that
book
needs
to
be
at
what
I
read
out
of
it,
that
is
nasty.
That
does
not
need
to
be
in
our
school
system
for
our
children
to
be
reading.
That
is
no
place
for
that,
and
and
definitely
we've
got
to
protect
our
children
from
things
like
this,
so
I
appreciate
y'all
being
here
today,
but
some
way
or
another
we've
got
to
get
this
trash,
this
nastiness
out
of
our
school
system.
A
Members
of
the
audience
it's
time
for
us
to
have
a
discussion.
This
is
not
a
baseball
game.
We
are
not
going
to
change
our
vote,
no
matter
how
loud
you
cheer
or
matter
how
many
side
comments
we
hear
if
you
could
please
let
us
hear
from
these
witnesses
and
then
we're
going
to
do
what
we
were
elected
to
do,
which
is
we're
going
to
talk
to
each
other.
We've
heard
you
talk
to
us
for
four
hours.
I
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
I
do
have
a
few
questions.
If
you
will
indulge
me
for
a
moment,
miss
hamblin
you.
You
were
saying
in
your
testimony
that
you
had
conducted
a
survey
of
some
20
counties
across
the
state
on
friday.
Could
you
elaborate
on
that
for
us
please
as
to
maybe
the
findings
of
yourself
what
what
the
survey
was
comprised
of
and
then
what
was
your
findings?
This.
E
Hamilton
you're
recognized,
thank
you
so
being
a
school
board
member
I
had
made
contacts
and
being
an
advocate
for
education.
For
many
many
years
I
reached
out
into
the
school
systems.
I
got
to
talk
with
some
directors
of
school.
I
got
to
talk
with
some
principals.
I
got
to
speak
with
some
teachers
so
of
those
20,
and
I
could
read
you
the
counties
if
you
want
to
know,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
tried
at
least
to
get
most
of
your
county
school
systems
in
that
survey.
E
E
So
this
has
spread
pretty
quickly.
We
started
finding
these
books
in
our
schools
at
the
level
last
fall,
so
this
has
been
going
on
since
last
fall
and
the
word
is
spread
quickly
that
these
books
or
resource
materials
are
in
their
schools.
We've
heard
from
a
lot
of
schools
who
have
pulled
these
automatically
from
their
shelves
and
what
they
were
going
to
do.
E
We
found,
though
some
people
didn't
know
they
had
it
so
once
they
were
made
aware
some
made
the
choice
to
remove
them.
Some
have
kept
them,
so
my
survey
on
friday
was
based
upon.
As
representative
curcio
said,
there's
been
a
lot
of
testimony.
There's
been
a
lot
of
comments,
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
from
a
school
board
individual
speaking
to
them.
E
You
have
the
right
to
your
opinion.
You
have
the
right
to
your
facts.
Here
are
the
facts:
here's
what
we
have
found,
here's,
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
do.
If
you
were
asked
to
cast
a
vote.
Where
would
you
cast
your
vote?
Seventeen
were
four
one
was
against
and
two
would
not
commit
and
not
if
you
want
the
counties
I'll
be
happy
to
give
you
the
counties.
I
Chairman
doggett,
thank
you
very
much,
a
question
for
miss
edwards.
Now,
if
it's
okay,
you
had
stated
that
a
bill
such
as
this
would
trigger
a
first
amendment.
Lawsuit
representative
from
davidson
county
asked
a
question
that
originally
written
down
here
to
ask
was:
how
do
the
books
get
in
these
schools?
I
F
F
Again,
I
don't
work
in
the
public
schools,
so
I
don't
know
exactly
how
a
school-approved
reading
list
is
is
chosen.
There
are
people
in
the
audience
that
you
could
ask,
and
I
know
that
you've
already
got
two
speakers,
but
I
would
I
would
assume
the
department
of
education
could
answer
that
for
you.
I'm
sorry
that
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question,
but
I
I
would
just
actually
I
don't
even
want
to
assume.
So
I'm
not
go.
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
know,
I'm.
I
I
I
B
Michelle
vogery
legal
services-
I
I
I
don't
know
that
I
can
answer
your
question.
It's
a
very
fact
specific
question.
I
don't
have
those
images
in
front
of
me,
so
I
can't.
I
can't
really
give
you
an
answer.
You
know.
3913
529
is
the
offense
of
soliciting
sexual
exploitation
of
a
minor
and
what
you
are
referencing.
Is
this
the
subsection
b
subdivision
b3,
which
I'm
sorry
was
it
b2
b2.
I
B
Which
states
that
it
isn't
a
it
is
unlawful
to
intentionally
display
to
a
minor
or
exposed
to
the
minor,
any
material
containing
simulated
sexual
activity
that
is
patently
offensive
or
sexual
activity
if
the
purpose
of
the
display
can
reasonably
be
construed
as
being
for
the
sexual
arousal
or
gratification
of
the
minor
or
the
person
displaying
the
material,
so
the
material
has
to
be
for
the
purpose
of
sexual
arousal
or
gratification
of
the
minor,
and
it
has
to
be
patently
offensive
or
sexual
activity.
You
know
for
the
purpose.
I
just
stated.
I
H
E
E
Unfortunately,
we
have
to
create
these
bills
to
help
our
school
boards
and
our
lease
be
able
to
address
these
issues,
because
I
believe
to
representative
doggett's
point:
we
are
getting
into
some
really
serious
areas
of
whether
we're
crossing
that
line
of
legalities
or
not.
So,
I
believe
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
create
additional
checks
and
balances
by
creating
an
accountability
for
the
school
boards,
so
that
there's
answers
to
the
parents.
There's
answers
to
elected
officials
of
what
we
do
in
regards
to
what
was
suggested
about
how
a
textbook
gets
on
into
our
schools.
E
We
do
have
a
state
textbook
committee.
We
do
have
a
department
within
the
tennessee
department
of
education
who
is
supposed
to
be
watching
these
checks
and
balances.
When
commissioner
swin
was
made
aware
of
the
book
that
representative
cheryl
talked
about,
she
had
no
idea.
She
did
not
understand
how
that
had
got
on
the
approved
reading
list
and
she
said
it
happened
before
she
got
here.
E
Okay,
so
where
do
we
point
the
fingers?
Where
do
we
lay
blame?
Where
do
we
say
if
everything
in
the
bill
is
correct
or
not
bottom
line?
We
have
obscenity,
we
have
pornography
the
book
that
representative
doget
was
talking
about.
If
anyone
wants
to
see
the
pictures,
I
will
tell
you
but
there's
pictures
of
masturbation
there's
pictures
of
sex
with
heterosexual
homosexual.
E
It's
just
a
place
that
we
have
to
decide.
Is
this
the
place
where
we're
going
to
do
this
for
our
schools
so
long
answer
to
your
question?
This
is
a
bill.
That's
going
to
create
accountability
so
that
we
can
eliminate
this
and
educate
our
children
in
the
way
that
the
parents
send
them
to
school,
to
be
educated.
F
J
E
Yes,
sir,
so
if
that
had
occurred
in
our
district,
it
would
have
gone
ultimately
to
the
director
of
the
schools.
The
director
of
schools
would
brought
it
to
the
attention
of
the
school
board.
The
director
of
schools
would
offer
what
they
feel
should
be
done,
but
leave
it
up
to
the
school
board
to
review
the
situation.
E
The
school
board
would
review
their
policies
and
our
instance
case.
Anything
sexual
was
not
allowed.
The
school
board
would
then
tell
the
director
of
schools
what
they
wanted
to
do
and
if
there
needed
to
be
a
vote
taken
at
the
next
school
board
meeting,
the
vote
would
be
taken
to
eliminate
or
if
it
was
an
operations
process
that
the
director
of
schools
could
go
ahead
and
handle
minus
the
vote.
Then
that
was
done
as
well.
E
For
an
example,
we
found
in
schools
that
some
librarians
had
received
these
books
from
scholastic
books
at
a
book
fair
and
if
these
books
had
actually
made
it
to
the
shelves-
and
they
didn't
really
realize
what
they
had
so
when
school
systems
felt,
they
didn't
have
it
once
we
started
reaching
out
and
asking
them.
Do
you
have
any
of
these
titles
of
these
books
in
your
system?
They
were
found,
so
they
realized.
E
We
had
a
loophole
with
what
our
policy
was,
because
we
still
were
able
to
get
materials
and
books
in
our
schools
that
we
weren't
aware
of
with
this
bill
representative
hardaway,
what
it
does.
It
gives
more
strength
to
the
school
boards
to
go
in
and
be
able
to
look
and
review
and
determine
what
is
not
appropriate
for
our
schools.
So
I
think
it
just
gives
an
extra
layer
that
we
can
make
sure
we
seal
up
those
loopholes.
E
As
you
can
see,
there's
those
that
are
for
this
scenario
or
those
that
are
against
it.
We
have
seen
dynamics
change
just
over
in
the
left
last
12
months
of
what
we
can
and
can't
do
in
our
schools
we're
seeing
a
bigger
push
to
groom
our
children
in
inappropriate
ways.
There
are
school
boards
who
are
welcoming
this
additional
layer
of
support
from
you
guys
so
that
they
can
go
in
and
have
those
accountabilities
and
strengthen
up
their
policies
so
that
there's
no
question.
J
J
The
processes
that
are
in
place
for
each
of
the
districts
are
those
determined
by
the
board
members
under
the
guidance
of
the
state
by
the
parents.
Is
there
another
mechanism
in
place?
Who
decides
that
that
process
who
decides
what
the
process
is?
What
it
looks
like
sounds
like
that's
going
to
determine
the
quality
of
books
in
the
school
library.
F
You
chair,
I
it's
different
for
each
county.
That's
all!
I
can
tell
you
and
not
just
county
but
school
system,
for
example
in
coffee
county.
I
think
there
are
three
school
systems
and-
and
I'm
I'm
not
going
on
record,
saying
that
coffee
county
has
three
different
processes.
I'm
just
saying
that
it's
you
know
you've
worked
in
local
government
yourself.
J
A
And
I
would
just
remind
the
members
that
if
you
have
questions
that
these
witnesses
are
uniquely
qualified
to
answer,
this
is
the
time
for
that.
If
we
want
to
make
statements
or
debates
about
the
bill,
we
need
to
do
that
when
we're
on
the
bill
in
session,
we
said,
would
you
recognize
if
you'd
like
to
respond.
I
You
and
I
don't
mean
this
derogatorily
or
anything,
the
way
that
it
may
sound.
You
said
you
basically
said
you
were
not
qualified
to
answer
on
behalf
of
a
school
librarian,
because
you're
not
a
school
librarian.
Is
that
correct?
You
you're,
a
public.
You
deal
in
public
libraries.
Is
that
right?
You
said:
what
did
you
recognize.
F
I
I
worked
in
a
mac
lab
adjacent
to
a
school
library
for
a
year,
and
then
I
moved
to
public
libraries
and
now
I'm
in
academic
libraries.
I
interact
with
during
in
my
professional
association,
tennessee
library
association
with
school
librarians,
lindsay,
who
I
spoke
with
last
week,
funny
elena.
We
went
to
high
school
together
and
we
sang
in
choir
together
and
then
we
both
ended
up
in
libraries,
which
is
not
where
I
think
we
that's
not
what
you
want
to
do.
F
I
don't
think
that's
not
what
I
wanted
to
do,
but
that's
how
we
ended
and
then
we
both
ended
up
doing
advocacy,
which
is
very
strange
too
so
one
day
I
was
like
who's
in
tune
who's,
doing
the
tassel.
That's
the
school
library
organization,
who's,
the
tassel
advocacy
chair
and
then
I
was
like
wait
a
second.
F
An
organization
in
place
there's
no
way
to
even
email,
all
school
librarians.
So
to
answer
questions
about
blanket,
what
do
all
the
school
librarians
do?
There's
I
couldn't
even
send
an
email
to
them
right
now
to
ask
them.
Does
that
make
sense?
So
I
I
feel
like
the
one
thing
I
can
tell
you
is
that
school
librarians
want
to
work
with
parents
and
school
librarians
want
to
help
students,
and
that's
probably
the
only
universal
something
I
can
tell
you.
I
I
F
Each
library
has
a
collection,
development
policy
that
they
write
and,
of
course,
as
you
know,
each
public
library
has
a
library
board
and
all
that's
governed
in
tennessee
code
as
well,
and
the
books
are
chosen
based
on
that
collection,
development
policy
and
each
library
has
different
policies,
because
each
library
has
a
different
policy
board.
But
I
do
know
I
mean,
and
I
worked
in
two
public
libraries.
F
F
You
I
do
know
that
an
moe
with
the
county
commission
to
keep
you
know
so
like
if
a
public
library
gets
this
many
dollars
from
a
county
commission
the
moe
agreement
with
the
state
this.
This
is,
as
I
recall
from
when
I
was
in
coffee
county.
The
moe
says
that
the
county
commission
can't
like
go
way
below
that
funding.
F
Otherwise,
the
state
somehow
says
oh
you're,
not
making
your
maintenance
of
effort
to
keep
up
the
library,
and
I
think
something
you'd
have
to
talk
to
secretary
harget,
to
talk
to
trey
to
get
the
exact
dealings,
but
I
do
think
that
they
will
like
come
and
remove
those
items.
If
you
don't
make
the
maintenance
of
it,
there.
I
I
My
question
is,
and
we
we
heard
some
portions
of
that
book
read
out
loud
in
in
the
subcommittee
last
week,
would
something
like
that
in
a
public
library
be
appropriate
in
a
I
don't
know
if
a
fifth
grader
would
be
in
a
children's
section,
but
would
what
would
you
would
that
be
something
that
would
be
appropriate?
Is
that
something
that
I
could
expect
to
find?
If
I
sent
my
children
into
a
public
library
that
they
might
come
back
to
the
counter
with
to
check
out
ms
edwards,
you
recognized
thank.
F
F
I
I
G
J
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chairman,
so
my
question
is
that
if
we
had
I'm
sure
that
book
and
and
this
is
goes
along
with
what
ms
edwards
said
about
the
librarian's
responsibility
to
make
sure
they
think
about
who's,
going
to
be
using
this
book
and
and
the
appropriateness
of
it,
we
have
sex
educational
at
sex
education
classes
in
our
high
schools.
G
That
book
could
possibly
be
there
for
them
to
do
a
research
paper
on
or
something
for
that
class
and
it's
incumbent
upon
the
librarian
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
resources
in
order
to
complete
their
projects.
So
I
think
that
sometimes
what
we're
doing
in
some
of
these
issues
in
some
of
these
instances
we're
taking
things
out
of
context
and
we're
we're.
G
For
instance,
my
colleague
over
there
asked
about
if
a
book
that
book
was
written
on
a
fifth
grade
for
a
fifth
grader
and
miss
edwards
appropriately
said
yes,
it's
written
on
the
fifth
grade
level,
but
it's
not.
The
audience
is
not
for
a
fifth
grader
and
there's
a
website
that
anybody
can
go
to.
It's
called
the
common
sense.
It's
an
app
actually
a
website
common
sense,
media
and
it'll.
G
E
Good
question
representative
dixie.
Unfortunately,
this
is
just
one
resource
one
book
and
it
may
could
very
well
go
for
the
source
that
you
just
said.
Referencing
me
you're
on
the
dying
girl.
This
whole
process
started
because
a
mother
in
cumberland
county
called
upset
because
her
fourth
grader
fourth
grader
checked
me
or
on
the
dying
girl
out
of
their
school
library.
This
is
where
this
started.
When
our
research
went
further,
we
found
this
book
in
elementary
middle
and
high
schools
across
tennessee,
this
particular
book.
E
So
once
we
discovered
it
was
in
the
school
libraries
I
started
going
to
the
county
libraries,
so
I
started
with
mine,
my
own
county
library.
I
walked
in
with
a
list
of
names
of
books.
I
walked
up
to
the
desk
and
asked
the
young
man.
I
said
I
don't
want
to
be
affiliated
with
these
titles,
but
I
would
like
to
know
if
you
have
any
of
these
books.
I
don't
know
what
upset
me
worse,
representative,
dixie,
that
he
knew
he
had
them
and
took
me
right
to
them.
E
Unfortunately,
here
was
the
children's
section
of
the
library
and
the
shelf
that
had
these
books
bumped
right
up
to
the
children's
section,
and
I
told
the
young
man-
I
don't
know
what
bothers
me
more-
that
we
had
these
and
you
know
how
to
go
right
to
it
and
he
said
the
reason
he
did,
because
it
is
checked
out
so
much
from
that
point.
I
go
to
my
county
commissioners
and
I
ask
them
how
much
of
your
budget
is
going
to
the
county
library
from
your
budget.
E
Our
particular
budget
was
a
little
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
our
county
budget
was
going
to
our
county
library.
My
next
question
to
them
was:
why
are
you
funding
porn,
miss
hamlin,
we're
not
funding
porn?
What
are
you
talking
about,
so
I
held
up
every
one
of
those
books
that
I
checked
out
that
was
stamped
with
our
library
sources
and
when
I
read
it
to
them,
like
I
did
in
the
earlier
testimony
they
were
appalled.
E
They
called
the
librarian
and
asked
her.
How
are
these
books
there?
She
became
very
defensive
and
said
she
had
to
be
able
to
make
resources
available
to
everyone.
It's
my
understanding.
She
has
since
been
told
to
pull
those
books
from
her
shelf.
So
when
you
talk
about
out
of
context,
sir
there's
multiple
multiple
sources
and
there's
multiple
out
there,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
the
full
picture
of
this.
G
G
G
So
my
question
to
you
is,
if
you
went
to
the
county
library
and
the
book
was
in
your
county
library,
and
a
fourth
grader
went
to
check
it
out.
A
fourth
grader
probably
didn't
drive
himself
to
that
to
that
library
that
he
had
some
sort
of
parental
supervision
when
he
checked
out
that
book
and
at
that
point
that
person
who
was
there
with
that
guardian
as
their
child
could
have
looked
at
that
or
either
went
to
that
section
with
that
child
and
stopped
it
at
that
point.
So
I
guess
we
talk
about
contacts.
G
We
have
to
give
that
paint
the
whole
picture.
I
think
we're
painting
everything
with
a
broad
stroke
here,
because
that
was
a
county
library
which
is
different
than
what
happens
in
a
school
library.
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
how
we
make
these
comparisons
and
be
very
clear,
because
this
is
a
very
important
bill
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
correct
facts
out
of
there.
G
E
You
misunderstood
me,
sir.
They
did
not
get
it
at
a
county
library.
They
got
at
their
middle
school
in
cumberland
county.
I
talked
to
the
school
board
members
I
talked
to
the
librarian
and
I
talked
to
the
principal
and
I
talked
to
the
director
of
schools.
None
of
them
knew
that
that
book
was
there
and
in
circulation.
It
was
in
a
school
library.
E
Finding
it
in
a
school
library
is
what
told
me
to
go
search
in
the
local
libraries,
and
I
agree
with
you
that
there
should
be
signs
or
definitely
a
know
that
what
section
you're
going
to,
but,
sir,
please
remember.
Even
if
a
parent,
a
grandparent,
a
friend,
took
a
child
to
the
library,
it
still
doesn't
negate
the
fact
that
we're
dealing
with
a
violation
of
law,
because
we
have
books
that
is
under
the
obscenity
and
pornography
umbrella.
So
it
doesn't
change
where
the
book
is
located.
It's
still
the
same.
Breaking
of
the
law.
A
G
A
K
E
So
for
removal,
if
the
director
of
schools
finds
inappropriate
material
in
any
of
the
schools
and
knows
that
it
violates
the
policy,
they
themselves
can
direct
principles
to
remove
the
items
from
the
school
when
it
gets
into
a
deeper
level
of
let's
say
a
parent
or
a
teacher,
or
someone
filed
a
complaint
and
brought
an
issue
to
the
school
board
that
the
director
of
schools
would
have
to
involve
the
school
board.
Then
it
becomes
that
process.
K
E
Just
hamilton
you're
recognizing
sorry
a
process.
If,
on
a
complaint
of
anything,
it's
not
necessarily
a
book,
it
would
be.
I
think
the
policy
reads:
instructional
materials
curriculum
and
it
may
say
books,
but
we
typically
have
not
seen
this
occur.
It's
just
in
recent
months
that
we
have
seen
this
take
on
a
whole
new
life
that,
unfortunately,
has
brought
us
to
where
we're
having
to
file
bills
like
this.
K
K
About
90
to
95
percent
of
the
complaints
are
satisfied
there.
If
not,
then
it
can
be
elevated.
Just
like
you
were
discussing
about
your
sc,
your
school
board
now.
So
if
we
have
these
processes
in
place
right
now,
what
do
you
think
that
this
bill
is
going
to
do
different
than
what
the
processes
are?
Now?
That's
my
that's
my
question
to
you.
Miss
hamilton,
you're
recognized.
We.
E
A
E
G
G
If
the
amended
bill
says
that
if
a
parent
complains
that
any
library
is
obscene
and
the
book
was
removed
immediately
for
30
days,
what
what
could
happen
if
they
just
went
and
blanketly
complained
on
a
whole
section
of
books,
would
they
all
be
removed
at
that
time?
So
could
one
parent
definition
of
obscenity
is
that
defined
in
code,
and
how
do
we
enforce
that?
Is
it
subjective?
Is
it
objective.
B
G
D
Famous
chairman
and
a
follow-up's
illegal
on
the
chairman's
question
in
order
to
be
removed
for
30
days,
it
would
have
to
be
obscene
material
as
defined
under
our
statutes.
It
wouldn't
be
just
any
book
that
a
parent
would
challenge.
Is
that
accurate?
I
was
looking
at
this.
It
said
if
the
parent
or
legal
guardian
is
aware
of
material
that
is
obscene,
as
defined
at
39,
179,
901
or
harmful
to
minors
being
made
available,
and
then
it
follows
on
to
subsection,
b
and
c.
D
B
B
That
is
what
subsection
a
says.
Subsection
b
then
says
that
the
policy
must
require
the
director
of
schools
to
remove
the
questionable
material
for
a
period
of
no
less
than
30
days,
to
allow
the
local
board
of
education
to
determine
whether
the
material
is
obscene
harmful
to
minors
or
appropriate
for
students.
D
B
D
A
You
leader
limit,
thank
you
again,
ladies
for
being
here,
and
we
appreciate
your
testimony
and
we
will
go
back
into
session.
We
are
back
into
session
chairman
sapiki.
We
are
on
house
bill
1944,
as
you
alluded
to
before
we
went
out
of
session.
There
is
an
untimely
filed
amendment
and
I
would
like
to
recognize
you
on
that
amendment.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
consider
the
untimely
file
them
and
now
members
to
remind
everyone,
because
we
have
an
untimely
filed
amendment.
The
procedure
requires
us
to
have
a
roll
call
vote
on
whether
or
not
to
accept
the
untimely
filed
amendment.
So
this
is
simply
a
yes
or
no
vote
to
accept
the
untimely
filed
amendment.
A
B
B
B
A
C
A
C
There
is
an
issue
brought
up
here
by
the
librarians
that
the
chairman
caught
that
there
was
no
trigger
the
book,
would
be
removed
for
30
days,
and
then
it
said
when
the
school
board
took
action
on
it
and
determine
whether
or
not
it
was
going
to
be
removed
or
or
are
put
back
in.
There
was
no
trigger
for
that
to
happen.
C
So
in
theory
somebody
could
have
asked
for
a
textbook
to
be
challenged
and
it
could
have
gone
to
the
school
board
and
sat
there
forever,
and
so
in
the
bill.
In
section
c,
on
page
two,
it
starts
out
the
local
board
of
education
or
governing
body
of
the
public
charter
school
shall
determine
if
the
material
is
obscene
or
harmful
to
minors
and
here's
the
new
part
no
later
than
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
board
or
the
governing
body
after
the
30-day
period
in
subsection
b.
A
A
For
example,
we
all
I'm
going
to
go
out
on
a
limb
and
say
we
all
read
romeo
and
juliet
when
we're
in
high
school.
The
themes
that
are
dealt
with
in
that
wonderful
piece
of
work
do
include
extramarital
sex,
pre-marital,
sex
drug
use
suicide.
These
are
these
are
tough
issues
but
they're
issues
that
high
school
students
can
unpack
in
a
literature
class.
A
I
think
most
of
us
generally
agree
to
that,
but
under
the
amendment
that
passed
that
a
subcommittee-
and
it
was
not
the
sponsor's
intent
and
certainly
not-
but
but
it
was
technically
possible
for
a
parent
to
object
to
a
text
that
text
to
be
pulled
from
the
shelf
for
no
less
than
30
days.
And
let's
just
say
you
know,
school
boards
are
locally
elected,
they
all
go
to
church
together.
They
all
see
each
other
at
the
grocery
store.
These
are
tough
contentious
issues.
A
A
If
that
were
to
happen,
you
could
ban
books
by
default
and
that's
what
we
I
did
not
want
to
see
that
I
don't
think
chairman
spicky's
intent
was
that
the
intent
is
that
if
we
want
a
locally
controlled
process,
that
a
local
board
be
required
to
take
an
up
or
down
vote
in
a
very
quick
amount
of
time.
We
pick
the
30
days,
because
the
30
days
is
the
time
the
period
the
book
should
be
removed
from
the
shelves
and
then
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
school
board
meeting.
A
So
we're
not
requiring
a
special
called
meeting
of
the
school
board.
We
didn't
want
to
create
new
costs
new
time
commitments,
but
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting,
then
that
board
shall
take
action
one
way
or
the
other,
so
that
that
is
the
intent
here
again.
I
think
this
is
this
is
a
friendly
amendment
and
to
prove
so
chairman
supiki
signed
the
amendment
himself
and
has
turned
it
in
so
with
that
I
will
now
that
I've
talked
on
the
chairman's
amendment.
I
will
open
up
questions
for
the
chairman.
D
Famous
chairman
on
the
amendment
and
just
to
kind
of
clarify
your
intent,
so
I
regularly
will
grab
the
actual
tca
that's
over
here
in
the
corner
for
anybody
to
use,
and
I
found
it
interesting
that
we've
had,
as
the
chairman
said,
literally
about
five
hours
of
testimony.
I
think
at
this
juncture
between
the
multiple
committees
it's
gone
through,
and
and
sometimes
when
I'm
sitting
here
and
I'm
listening
to
this-
and
I
deeply
appreciate
everyone
coming
down-
it's
a
very
important
issue.
D
We
want
everyone
in
tennessee
to
be
involved
in
these
decisions,
but
it's
like
there's
a
different
conversation
happen.
Sometimes
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
actual
contents
of
this
bill.
It
has
to
do
with
a
lot
of
other
really
important
issues,
and
it
has
to
do
with
many
issues
that
are
involving
other
bills,
but
on
this
particular
bill
I
just
sat
down,
and
I
looked
at
exactly
what
law
you
were
changing.
D
Obscene
materials
are
illegal.
They
are
illegal
for
a
reason.
They
have
no
business
in
any
society
whatsoever.
Things
like
child
pornography,
things
that
are
grotesque,
that
are
illegal
for
a
reason,
are
illegal
in
our
statute.
In
subsection
e,
it
says
it
is
an
exception
to
this
section
that
the
obscene
material
is
possessed
by
a
person
having
scientific,
educational,
governmental
or
other
similar
justification.
D
There's
a
reason
for
that
section.
There's
some
young.
Ladies
here
on
the
front
row
that
came
to
my
office
earlier.
We
had
a
really
good
conversation
about
this.
It
was
a
great
back
and
forth.
We
talked
about
this
actual
bill
and,
with
all
due
respect
to
everyone
who
has
testified,
that
conversation
was
much
more
cordial
than
some
of
the
conversations
that
have
happened
in
these
committees
because
we
talked
about
the
actual
bill.
It's
a
very
passionate
subject,
and
I
appreciate
that
passion
on
both
sides.
D
I've
never
met
a
librarian
in
my
entire
life
that
wanted
to
preside,
provide
obscene
material
to
a
child
in
a
school
or
otherwise.
Okay,
they
go
into
being
librarians
because
they
want
to
help
children
learn.
Okay,
obscene
materials
are
laid
out
very
clearly
in
our
statute,
in
federal
law
and
in
court
processes.
D
No
one
wants
that.
I
don't
think
anybody.
That's
testified
wants
that.
So,
while
there
appears
to
have
been
a
bit
of
a
shadow
war
going
on
about
different
issues
and
books
and
everything
else
that
should
should
or
should
not
be
in
a
school
library,
this
bill
says:
if
it's
illegal,
there's
no
exception
for
it
to
go
into
a
public
school.
That's
what
the
bill
says
now,
I'm
sorry
that
everybody
wants
to
fight
about
a
much
larger
issue
and
we
will
have
those
arguments
and
fights
and
in
fact,
for
five
hours
we
basically
have
that's
fine.
D
I
want
to
hear
from
you
we
want
to
hear
from
you.
This
bill
is
about.
If
something
is
illegal
anywhere
else
in
the
world
or
in
the
country,
I
should
say,
then
it's
also
illegal
in
a
school
library.
That's
the
bill!
Again,
that's
what
it
does
legally.
There
is
also
a
process
in
here-
and
I
think
the
chairman
and
the
chairman
for
working
on
that,
because
nobody
wants
a
school,
librarian
or
one
of
our
teachers
to
inadvertently
put
something
on
the
shelf.
That
would
be
a
felony.
D
Nobody
wants
that,
so
you
have
to
have
some
sort
of
a
process
if
inadvertently,
because
it
doesn't
matter
if
it
was
purposefully
or
not
if
they
inadvertently
put
that
on
the
shelf.
That's
what
the
process
is
in
this
bill.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
things
that
are
already
illegal
outside
of
a
school
will
be
illegal
in
a
school,
and
I
think
it
is
extraordinarily
rare
in
my
humble
opinion
that
you
would
find
them
in
a
public
school
right
now.
D
We've
had
lots
of
examples
of
things
that
I
would
personally
disagree
with
being
on
the
shelf
in
a
school.
There
are
other
bills
that
deal
with
processes
on
that.
This
bill
deals
with
already
illegal
materials
that
are
illegal
everywhere
in
the
world
and
they
also
will
be
illegal
in
our
schools.
The
exception
to
this
arguably
will
allow
someone
to
escape
criminal
prosecution
if
they
were
to
put
on
that
shelf.
We're
literally
just
taking
that
exception
away.
That's
just
my
thoughts
on
it.
D
I
thought
I
would
share
it
and
that
comes
again
directly
from
the
statute,
and
I
deeply
appreciate
both
these
young.
Ladies
and
everyone
who
has
testified
and
turned
out
for
this,
your
passion
on
this
subject.
It
is
a
good
thing,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
that
this
bill
doesn't
do
what
either
side
probably
desires
it
to
do,
but
it
does
do
a
good
thing
and
that's
to
make
sure
illegal
materials
can't
be
in
our
public
schools.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and,
and
the
previous
leader
answered
some
of
the
questions
I
had
there's
been
so
much
swirling
around
about
this.
I've
gotten
emails,
I
think,
from
australia
and
london
and
from
everywhere
and
in
in
my
district.
That's
I
get
emails,
saying
support
the
bill,
an
email
saying:
don't
don't
support
the
bill,
but
there's
a
great
deal
of
content
in
the
email
that
I
know
is
not
in
this
bill.
D
C
D
Okay,
so
if
a
librarian
doesn't
even
know
it's
in
there
and
a
parent
points
it
out,
then
I
do
understand
your
process.
Now
the
school
board
gets
involved.
That's
the
mechanism,
that's
going
to
have
to
deal
with
this
one
way
or
another,
and
it
makes
sense
to
me
because
the
school
board
is
elected
by
the
people
in
the
community
and
the
community
is
who
defines
the
standards
of
obscenity.
D
C
That
is
a
that
is
a
broad
brush
representation
of
the
members
of
that
community,
as
elected
to
make
the
to
use
a
miller
test
based
off
of
those
community
standards
to
determine
if
a
book
is
obscene
or
pornographic
in
nature,
and
if
that
board,
who
is
elected
by
the
people
says,
this
is
not.
That
book
goes
back
on
the
shelf
and
if
the
people
elected
by
that
board,
if
those
members
who
are
elected
by
the
people
say
yes,
this
does
this
does
fail
our
community
standards.
C
C
We
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there
are
books
that
are
being
removed
from
the
libraries
once
a
year,
the
local
school
system
will
report
that
to
this
department
of
education,
so
they
can
keep
track
of
books
that
are
that
are
being
deemed
as
obscene
or
pornographic
and
removed
from
the
school
library.
So
they
can
keep
a
record
of
that,
and
so,
therefore,
if
anybody
ever
wants
to
know
in
the
state
hey
what
books
have
been
taken
out,
the
department
of
education
can
provide
that
information.
Anybody
who
asked
for
it.
K
We've,
let
me
tell
you
what
one
of
my
grave
concerns
is
with
this
with
this
bill
number
one
is
that
I
think
that
anybody,
I
think
the
language,
the
legal
redis
questionable
material,
so
you
can
go
through
a
library
and
say
this
is
questionable
this
question.
Well,
this
questionable
doesn't
say
it's
obscene
says
it's
questionable
and
all
of
a
sudden
you're
you're
removing
books
for
30
days
minimum
from
the
library
now
in
in
law,
school
and
it's.
I
wasn't
a
constitutional
scholar
in
law
school,
but
I
do
remember
prior
restraint.
K
What
prior
was
and
you-
and
I
talked
about
this
briefly-
what
prior
restraint
is
is
to
take.
The
first
amendment
is
one
of
the
things
that
our
country
is
built
upon
and
it's
very
very
important
to
us.
People
in
ukraine
are
picking
up
guns
to
keep
their
freedom
and
with
prior
restraint,
it's
the
removal
of
material
without
a
process
and
your
you're,
deeming
these
questionable
or
in
with
with
no
process
at
30
days.
K
I
don't
believe
that's
going
to
pass
constitutional
muster
because
in
if
you,
if
you
have
the
process
and
and
then
they're
determined
to
be
pornographic,
then
they
can
be
as
as
it's
set
up
now
with
our
with
with
in
different
ways
or
organizations
throughout
every
community.
Apparently
in
tennessee,
then
that's
constitutional,
but
to
just
take
questionable
material
off
the
shelves
is
is
is
is
not
is,
is
against
our
first
amendment
right
and
that's
that's
where
I
really
have
a
problem.
So
it's
explain
to
me
what
your
thoughts
are
on
that
chairman
speaker.
You
recognize.
C
A
parent
doesn't
know
it's
on
the
shelf
until
it
gets
hit
on
the
shelf
and
maybe
brought
home
that
her
child
for
them
to
object
to
this
comes
in
behind
that
and
says
okay,
this
is
deemed
acceptable
by
the
librarians
which
that's
their
job,
so
that
that
that
issue
that
you
brought
up
has
already
been
addressed.
This
comes
after
that's
been
granted
by
the
librarians,
and
now
a
parent
has
a
has
a
recourse
to
challenge
that
book
being
on
the
shelf.
It's
already
been
addressed.
K
Speaking
with
my
librarians,
they
get
if
any
book
they
get
a
you
know
for
on
the
approved
reading
list,
they
get
a
a
a
bio
basically
of
the
book
and
and
it
has
down
there
who
it's.
You
know
what
age
group
it's
it's
reference
to,
and
things
like
that
doesn't
necessarily
say
that
they've
read
the
book,
they
get
a
bio
on
the
book
and
then
they
choose
whether
to
order
it
for
the
their
library
or
not
order
it
for
their
library.
K
That's
not
going
to.
In
my
humble
opinion,
that's
not
going
to
cure
the
prior
restraint,
because
the
prior
restraint
is.
We
have
the
right
to
read
that
book
until
it's
deemed
pornographic
or
you
know,
obscene
or
whatever,
whatever
you,
whatever
the
the
the
beef
with
it
is
so
that's
where
in
in,
in
my
humble
opinion,
and
of
course
you
know,
we
pass
things
unconstitutional
around
here
all
the
time,
so
we
may
maybe
keeping
in
that
in
that
step.
K
But
you
know
I
I
just
I'm
I'm
having
I'm
really
having
trouble
with
with
the
first
amendment
is
such
an
important
right
that
people
have
lived
and
and
died.
For
you
know,
I
just
I
just
think
that,
and
I
understand
I've
sat
through,
I
got
sit
through
all
of
of
sub
and
and
the
hours
of
of
testimony,
and
I
I
understand
people's
concerns,
but
the
people's
con.
K
A
Thank
you,
representative
beck,
and
I
I'm
going
to
take
a
little
privilege
as
the
chairman
here,
because
I
I
have
a
follow-up
because
I,
as
was
made
very
public
last
week.
I
had
some
similar
concerns
about
this
bill,
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
time
to
look
at
it,
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
time
to
work
with
german
spicy
on
it,
but
specifically
about
this
notion
of
because
it
gave
me
a
lot
of
pause
as
well.
The
notion
that
parents
could
remove
questionable
material,
which
is
the
language
that's
used
in
section
three
b.
A
However,
I
believe
that
grammar
is
referring
back
to
defined
terms
in
this
bill.
In
a
it
says,
if
the
parent
or
legal
guardian
is
aware
of
material
that
is
obscene,
as
defined
in
3917,
901
or
harmful
to
minors,
as
defined
in
3917
901
being
made
available
to
students,
and
then
it
goes
on
in
b,
it
says
the
policy
required
under
section
a
must
require
the
director
of
schools
or
the
director
of
the
public
charter
school
as
applicable,
to
remove
the
questionable
material.
A
A
I
Is
it
possible
that
a
book
that
was
discovered,
maybe
in
a
an
elementary
or
middle
school
library,
was
brought
to
the
school
board
and
they
said
you
know
this
is
not
appropriate
for
that
age,
but
maybe
appropriate
for
high
school
library,
for
instance,
it
was
referenced
earlier
romeo
and
juliet
that
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I
read
that
book.
If
I
did
read
it,
I
know
I
watched
the
movie,
but
I
don't.
I
I
don't
know
if
I
remember
any
specifics
out
of
that,
but
just
using
that
as
an
example,
you
know,
is
it
possible
that
the
school
board
could
say
instead
of
saying
nope
we're
through
with
romeo
and
juliet
it's
out
we're
we're
throwing
it
out
of
our
libraries,
it's
filth
and
obscene
or,
however
they
want
to
define
it?
Could
they
say?
Yes,
it's
inappropriate
for
a
sixth
grader
to
be
reading,
but
it
is
not
inappropriate
because
it
may
fall
within
the
standards
and
objectives
that
are
set
forth
in
our
curriculum.
C
I'm
trying
to
figure
out,
I
know,
there's
a
question
there
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
decipher
it
for
you.
That's
where
this
bill
has
its
nuances,
built
into
it,
that
we're
providing
a
skeletal
structure
but
allowing
the
locals
to
fill
in
the
rough
edges
to
make
sure
that
it
meets.
It
is
unique
to
the
community
as
long
as
that
text,
as
defined
in
a
doesn't
violate
3917
901,
as
defined
in
law,
then
they
would
have
the
ability
to
either
put
it
back
on
the
shelf
or
they
could
possibly
say
hey.
I
A
C
Sorry,
just
a
little
bit
longer,
the
librarians
have
a
difficult
job
to
do
in
this
environment.
We
live
in
today,
they're
getting
flooded
with
all
kinds
of
information
that
is,
is
trying
to
be
put
on
our
school
shelves,
we're
having
discussions
on
stuff
that
we
thought
we
never
have
in
tennessee
and
for
that
matter,
probably
across
our
country.
A
Next,
on
my
list,
I
have
chairman
farmer,
you
recognize.
Sir
question
has
been
called
on
the
amendment.
Is
there
any
objection,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor?
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
reminder.
We're
taking
a
roll
call,
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
amendment
coded
15408
to
house
bill
1944,
please
signify
by
saying.
Yes,
when
your
name
is
called
or
know
when
your
name
is
called.
Madam
clerk.
B
I
I
H
B
J
A
Thank
you,
members.
The
amendment
is
on
the
bill.
Now
we
are
on
the
bill
as
amended
leader,
lambert,
you're,
recognized
famous
chairman
previous
question,
previous
question's
been
called.
Is
there
objection?
We
see
objection?
I
have
three
hands
so
now
we're
voting
on
previous
question
and
it
will
be
a
roll
call
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
previous
questions
signify
by
saying
I,
when
your
name
is
called
those
opposed
signify
by
saying
no,
madam
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
A
D
B
D
A
A
A
H
It
was
it's
a
bill
that
was
actually
passed
in
subcommittee
last
year,
and
then
we
took
it
to
summer
study
like
other
bail,
related
bills
and
want
to
bring
it
back.
This
is
one
introduced
last
week
to
simply
change
the
code
or
the
current
code
requires
that
bail
be
paid
to
the
clerk
of
the
court
only
in
cash.
H
This
bill
updates
our
requirement
by
allowing
commonly
used
and
verifiable
methods
of
payment
by
adding
credit
cards,
debit
cards
and
cash,
apps's
methods
of
payment,
and
the
amendment
at
the
request
of
some
very
good
questions
from
this
committee,
one
made
sure
that
this
would
be
a
permissive
bill,
two
that
we
allowed
that
the
court
can
accept,
may
or
may
charge
a
fee
to
pay
for
any
cost
charged
to
the
clerk
by
accepting
other
types
of
payment
like
credit
card
fees.
Things
like
that
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
A
You
representative
thompson
for
that
explanation.
I
do
have
chairman
russell
on
our
list.
Question
on
the
bill.
Question's
been
called
on
the
bill
without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
457
as
amended
to
finance.
Please
signify
by
saying
I,
those
opposed
sir.
You
had
to
finance.
Thank
you,
chairman
members,.
H
A
Does
conclude
our
business
for
the
day,
but
first
of
all
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
very
much
for
your
patience
and
your
attendance
today.
We
have
often
some
very
difficult
subject
matter
in
this
committee
and
I
think
we
performed
a
very
good
service
for
the
citizens
of
tennessee.
Today
we
heard
debate
on
both
sides.
We
heard
arguments
on
both
sides
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
participation
in
that
leader.
Lamberth
you're
recognized
sir.
Mr.
D
Chairman,
as
always,
thank
you
for
your
leadership
in
this
committee
and
thank
you
to
the
three
fine
folks
that
hung
in
there
for
the
entire
calendar.
Everybody
else
apparently
was
just
interested
in
the
first
bill
in
the
calendar,
so
I
appreciate
y'all
hanging
in
there
for
all
three.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr.