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House Criminal Justice Subcommittee - March 9, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
B
C
A
F
Thank
you,
members
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
come
before
you
this
bill.
I
have
for
you,
I'm
bringing
on
behalf
of
my
local
government.
I
have
a
letter
from
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
memphis
had
this
bill
for
a
few
years
about
three
years
now
and
I
understand
a
lot
of
the
issues.
A
number
of
years
ago
we
passed
a
bill
which
I
voted
for
and
very
supportive
that
we
can
keep
guns
in
our
cars
as
law-abiding
people.
F
I
remember
one
time
I
was
coming
back
to
nashville
about
11
o'clock,
I'm
coming
back
from
memphis
to
nashville
about
11
o'clock,
one
night
as
soon
as
I
got
on
the
east
side
of
the
tennessee
river
traffic
backed
up
about
at
11
o'clock,
and
it
was
pitch
black,
and
I
was
so
grateful
that
you
know
you
never
know.
What's
going
to
happen
when
you're
sitting
in
traffic
for
hours,
I
actually
fell
asleep
there
for
a
little
bit.
F
It
was
backed
up
that
long,
but
I
was
grateful
that
I
could
have
a
gun
in
my
car
in
case
something
someone
came
along.
That
would
that
would
threaten
me.
So
I'm
very
supportive
of
that,
but
as
a
result
of
that
in
the
city
of
memphis
we've
had
like
last
year,
we
had
2223
of
these
guns
stolen
from
our
cars,
and
it
does
cause
our
law
enforcement
community
issues
as
well
as
well
as
all
the
safety
of
all
of
us.
So
I've
been
trying
to
look
for
a
way.
F
Just
don't
leave
it
under
your
seat
or
on
your
seat
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
so,
but
we
never
want
to
have
a
punishment.
So
the
it's
it's
a
handgun,
now,
not
a
long
gun
or
a
shotgun,
just
a
handgun
to
keep
it
secure
either
in
your
your
vehicle
or
your
boat,
if
you're
out
in
a
boat
also,
and
then
we
asked
you
to
report
it
within
24
hours
once
you
know
that
it's
missing
now,
you
may
not
know
it's
missing
for
a
week,
you
may
not.
F
You
may
have
been
on
vacation
and
whatnot
and
the
only
the
there's
we
never
could
come
up
with.
You
know
it's
hard
to.
Why
should
you
pass
a
bill?
And
then
you
just
you,
know,
resolution
you
can
do
that
too.
But
it
says
if,
if
you
have
it
stolen
and
you
don't
report
it
and
it's
using
the
commission
of
a
crime,
you
need
to
go
to
gun
safety
school.
There's
something
like
that,
but
I
think
we
need
to.
F
We
need
to
get
the
attention
of
of
of
those
who
leave
guns
in
cars,
because
the
criminal's
going
to
do
what
a
criminal
does.
A
criminal
is
going
to
steal,
and
so
we
just
want
to
bring
attention,
especially
in
our
larger
cities.
This
is
a
problem
nashville
and
across
our
state,
lock
your
gun
up
when
you're,
not
in
your
car
and
to
keep
away
from
a
criminal
and
with
that
I'd
review.
The
motion.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
chairman
for
bringing
this
bill.
I'm
just
opposed
to
it,
though,
because
for
this
reason
I
don't
know
many
people
that
are
leaving
their
guns
in
plain
open
view
in
their
vehicle.
That's
just
asking
for
a
disaster,
but
I
think
what
we're
doing
is
we're
putting
a
bigger
onus
and
burden
on
law-abiding
citizens,
rather
than
focusing
on
the
people
that
are
breaking
on
the
law
by
breaking
into
our
cars,
and
I
would
suggest
a
possible
solution
that
might
address
this
problem.
G
Even
more
effectively
is
to
let
people
carry
their
guns
wherever
they
want
to
go
that
way,
they
wouldn't
have
to
leave
them
in
their
car,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
problem
with
guns
being
stolen
out
of
vehicles.
You
know
we
have.
A
lot
of
people
are
opposed
to
camera
systems,
but
I
think
you
know,
conduct
that
is
conducted
in
public
is,
is
free
on
display
for
anybody
that
happens
to
see
what
a
person
is
doing,
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
it's
over
intrusive
to
have
public
safety
cameras
in
public
areas.
G
You
know
particularly
ones.
You've
got
a
high
incident
of
of
crimes
and
being
committed,
particularly
breaking
into
vehicles
and
so
forth,
to
to
put
some
cameras
up
there
and
monitor
that.
I
think
it's
a
good,
effective
way
to
to
use
limited
law
enforcement
resources
to
address
and
focus
on
the
high
crime
incident
areas.
So
I
appreciate
you
bill,
but
I'm
just
I'm
against
it,
and
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
F
And
thank
you
very
much
and
I
don't
disagree
with
anything.
You
said
just
the
fact
that
they
are
being
taken
and
some
somehow
we
just
need
to
you
know
whatever
the
solution
is
just
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
get
stolen
out
of
your
car.
If
you
do
live
in
your
car,
when
you're,
not
in
the
car,
when
you're
in
the
car
you
keep,
I
got
an
email,
someone
says
you
know
how,
if
I
had
keep
my
gun
locked
up,
what
good
is
it
to
me?
F
B
B
I
had
a
friend
this
has
been
excuse
me
at
least
a
couple
years
ago
that
was
in
the
wolf
chase
small
area.
She
pulled
in
the
parking
lot
and
noticed
the
car
in
front
of
her.
There
was
a
man
sitting
there,
but
you
know
she
figured
wife's
in
there
shopping,
so
she
gets
out
of
her
car
uses
the
key
fob
to
lock
it.
She
came
out.
B
You
know
a
few
hours
later,
her
car
was
ransacked,
not
a
window
was
broken,
so
they
have
the
ability
to
override
a
key
fob
to
get
into
your
car
and
they.
So
they
were
saying
that
the
best
way
to
lock
your
car
is
to
use
the
button
inside
on
the
door.
Don't
use
the
key
fob
because
they
have
ways
of
overriding
it.
So
what
would
happen
to
somebody
that
had
done
everything
right
and
yet
they
still
are
able
to
get
in
your
car.
So
that
just
that
scenario
and
what
happens
thank
you.
F
Yeah
yeah,
that's
right,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
saying
if
you
do
have
a
gun,
then
lock
it
in
your
trunk
or
have
a
secure,
lock
box.
You
stuck
it
in
where
we
had
an
incident
where
in
memphis,
where
the
person
I
don't
see
who
it
was,
but
they
had
it
in
a
secure,
lock
box,
but
it
was
just
under
the
seat.
It
wasn't
secure.
F
H
H
I
just
that
just
blows
my
mind
number
one,
that
you
would
leave
your
car
open
period
and
number
two
that
you
would
leave
your
car
open
with
with
a
firearm
in
your
car.
We've
got
to
do
something
to
wake
people
up
to.
Let
them
know
it's
not
all
right
to
leave
your
your
firearm
in
your
car
and
your
car
unlocked
that
just
it
just.
I
can't
fathom
that
so
anyway,
this
will.
This
will
help
remind
people,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
good
good
thing
to
do.
We've
got
to
do
something
to
to
curb
this.
C
C
However,
when
asked
for
statistics
on
how
it
is
determined
how
many
cars
are
unlocked.
Many
of
those
statistics
are
developed
through
investigation
and
interviews
of
the
very
thieves
that
stole
the
items.
So
I
have
long
doubted
the
veracity
of
how
many
of
those
thieves
are
honest
about
whether
or
not
the
car
was
unlocked
or
locked.
So
I'm
still
looking
for
those
numbers.
C
I
would
like
some
sort
of
objective
standard
instead
of
having
to
take
the
word
of
a
thief
as
to
whether
or
not
the
car
was
unlocked.
I
find
it
just
almost
unbelievable
that
the
number
of
people
are
leaving
their
car
unlocked
that
is
claimed
in
some
of
these
numbers,
but
I
join
you
in
saying
police
were
going
to
say
lock
your
car,
regardless,
whether
or
not
you
have
a
firearm
in
there.
C
F
And
thank
you
very
much
and
I
don't
want.
I
don't
want
to
take
a
lot
of
the
committee's
time
on
this,
because
I
understand
the
objections
I
just
some.
We
just
need
to
do
something
to
bring
attention
to
those
who
are
law-abiding.
You
know
this.
This
is
an
issue,
especially
in
our
larger
cities,
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
be
aware
of
that,
and
so
I'm
looking
around
the
room.
F
I
you
know
as
far
as
on
the
committee
in
any
way-
and
I
know
this
is
a
tough
bill
and
I
never
want
to
do
anything
to
penalize
the
law
about
him,
but
as
a
law-abiding
citizen,
I
do
think
I
have
a
responsibility
with
my
gun
ownership.
That's
why
you
keep
them
locked
up
and
secure
when
they're,
not
in
my
on
my
person,
so
just
at
the
will
of
committee
on
this.
F
If
you
got
ideas
on
how
we
can
keep
on
putting
this
out
as
as
information
to
our
law,
abiding
community,
we're
so
privileged
to
be
able-
and
if
I
don't
want
to
get
off
contacts
here-
but
I
will
say
this-
the
wisdom
of
our
founding
fathers
who
gave
us
a
second
amendment.
You
look
over
in
europe
right
now
and
they're
handing
out
guns
to
their
citizens,
we're
very
blessed
that
we
have
that.
We
have
this
right
because
things
like
that
happen
where
the
citizens
are
under
attack.
A
D
D
F
F
D
So,
with
all
due
respect,
I
think
what
you're
doing
with
this
and
whether
it's
intended
or
not,
you're
penalizing
a
law-abiding
citizen
for
the
act
of
a
criminal,
and
I
just
that's
not
a
good
thing.
I'm
have
to
re-emphasize.
What's
already
said,
I
think
we
ought
to
be
able
to
carry
our
guns
wherever
we
want
to
and
not
have
to
leave
them
in
the
car.
But
I
appreciate
your
concern
and
I
know
you
as
an
individual,
that
you
have
great
concern
for
your
community
and
want
to
try
to
do
the
right
thing.
F
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
have
a
great
respect
for
the
sponsor
of
this
bill,
but
I
a
couple
of
things
I
think
last
year
or
year
before
we
strengthened
the
penalties
for
stealing
a
weapon
out
of
an
automobile.
So
we've
already
done
that,
and
I
have
a
concern
that
it
seems
like
when
we
identify
a
problem.
The
first
thing
we
do
is
want
to
penalize
the
law-abiding
citizen
as
a
solution
to
that
problem.
I
I
just
think
this
is
not
the
way
to
go
about
it.
I
I
personally
my
wife
same
way.
If
we
go
to
the
corner
grocery
store
for
five
minutes
and
run
in
and
get
a
jug
of
milk,
we
always
like
our
car.
If
I'm
in
my
driveway,
I
log
my
car,
I
think
most
responsible
citizens
who
are
gun
owners
do
that
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
if
you
put
in
a
lock
box,
they
can
just
steal
the
lock
box
and
crack
it
open
if
they,
if
you
put
it
in
your
trunk,
they've,
got
the
equipment
and
bars
that
they
can
just
pop
the
trunk.
I
F
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
and
I
appreciate
this
committee's
time
and
I'm
looking
at
like
at
least
six
out
of
ten,
so
I'm
not
gonna
make
you
take
a
vote
on
this,
because
I
I
understand
that
you
might
wanna.
Let
us
have
a
summer
study
or
something
we.
We
need
to
keep
this
before
the
public
that,
because
it
is
an
issue
in
a
large
in
our
larger
towns
in
memphis
2000
stolen
out
last
year.
So
I
just
want
to
keep
this
before
the
public.
F
All
we're
saying
is:
we
have
a
right
to
keep
a
gun
on
ourselves
and
enter
cars,
but
when
you're
not
in
your
vehicle,
lock
the
thing
up,
so
the
criminal
doesn't
get
it.
You
know
I'm
I'm
for,
as
our
leader
lambert
said
last
year,
this
increased
the
penalties
on
the
people
who
steal
I'm
all
for
that
and
truth
and
sentencing
all
these
things
we
need
to
do.
But
while
we
get
there,
we
all
have
responsibility.
J
I've
got
firearms
that
were
handed
down
from
my
grandfather
that
are
in
my
safe
now,
so
I
believe
in
it
and
if
you
come
in
my
house
I'll
introduce
you
to
that
shotgun
that
he
used
for
a
hunting
load
these
many
decades
ago,
if
you
come
in
my
house,
uninvited
okay
and
get
that
clear
and
make
make
sure
the
media
gets
that
clear.
But
I
appreciate
your
your
willingness
to
open
the
discussion.
J
J
We
change
our
laws
and
I,
when
I
first
got
here,
I
believe
in
the
castle
doctrine
being
covering
your
vehicle.
Well,
some
of
us
in
them
so
much.
You
ought
to
have
that
that
right
to
defend
your
vehicle,
but
we
also
need
to
be
responsible
so
that
weapons
aren't
stolen
without
some
resistance
and
asking
someone
to
lock
the
car
put
the
weapon
on
the
site,
put
it
on
a
lock
box.
J
That's
it
somehow
adhered
to
the
vehicle
or
tethered
to
the
vehicle
is
not
that
much
to
ask.
We
do
a
lot
of
regulations
and
I
think
the
courts
have
upheld
that
sure.
You've
got
some
constitutional
rights
when
it
comes
to
the
second
amendment,
but
the
state
has
some
rights
to
move
forward
with
regulations
to
help
keep
us
responsible
and
help
keep
the
community
safe.
We
have
stolen
weapons
they're
using
criminal
activities,
shooting
citizens
shooting
law
enforcement
officers,
children
using
weapons.
It's
it's
out
of
hand.
I
thank
you
for
trying
to
find
a
solution.
F
F
I
hope
this
continues
to
get
out
there,
so
I'm
going
to
take
this
bill
off
notice
at
this
time,
and
I
would
just
appreciate
anybody's
help,
as
we
continue
to
look
at
this
problem,
that
we
continue
to
address
gun
safety
in
our
in
our
communities
and
as
responsible
citizens.
Let's
make
sure
that
the
criminals
can't
get
a
hold
of
of
our
property,
and
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Yes,.
C
Thank
mr
chairman
and
mr
chairman,
I
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
valiant
work
to
represent
your
community
and
every
single
bill.
You
come
down
here
and
you
have
tried
to
bring
bills
that
will
make
your
community
safer
and-
and
I
know
your
intent
on
this
bill
is
exactly
the
same
yeah.
I
know
you
may
be
taking
this
bill
off
notice
today,
but
I
know
that
your
efforts
to
continue
to
support
your
committee
will
continue.
C
I
just
wanted
to
commend
you
on
how
hard
you've
worked
to
try
to
make
your
community
safer
and
not
just
in
this
bill,
but
in
so
many
other
bills,
and
this
may
not
be
exactly
the
right
way
to
do
it,
but
I
know
you'll
keep
working
until
you
get
to
a
way
to
make
sure
again
that
your
community
is
safer.
So,
thank
you,
sir,
for
your
efforts.
F
A
F
We've
we've
cooked
people
up
at
home
for
a
couple
of
years
and
and
folks
have
become
a
little
more
aggravated,
I
guess
and
agitated,
and
as
they
go
to
our
health
care
facilities,
some
can
get
unruly.
We
already
have
in
our
code
a
protection
for
nurses
and
first
responders
from
assault
and
special
penalties
for
that.
What
this
bill
does?
It
just
adds
health
care
facility,
security
guards
and
officers
to
that
list
of
folks
that
would
have
an
increased
penalty
for
when
they're
assaulted.
F
These
are
the
folks
that
are
called
first
well
before
the
police
are
called
they're,
the
first
ones
that
are
going
to
be
there
to
deal
with
these
unruly
visitors
patients,
and
so
this
just
helps
add
a
level
of
protection.
I
have
folks
in
my
district
that
are
in
these
positions
and
they've
they've
shared
with
me
some
of
their
experiences
and
asked
me
to
bring
this
so
that
they
would
have
additional
protection
under
the
law.
And
so
this
I
would
just
appreciate
your
consideration.
A
K
You,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
going
to
read
for
clarity
pertaining
to
this
bill
in
protecting
our
teachers
in
the
classroom.
School
systems
have
the
legal
responsibility
to
maintain
safe
violence-free
schools.
Part
of
that
responsibility
includes
the
establishment
of
a
code
of
conduct
containing
specific
consequences
for
violations
of
the
code.
K
School
authorities
have
the
right
and
responsibility
to
discipline
children,
including
the
removal
of
children
from
their
present
school
when
those
children
violate
school
rules
by
engaging
in
conduct
that
materially
and
substantially
disrupts
the
rights
of
others
to
be
physically,
safe
and
educated.
When
conduct
endangers
the
students
or
others,
temporary
removal
of
that
student
may
become
imperative.
K
Schools
also
have
these
rights
and
responsibilities
when
students
with
disabilities
violate
school
rules
and
causing
disruption
or
danger
to
themselves
or
others
a
child
with
a
disability
whose
dangerous
misconduct
is
found
to
be
unrelated
to
his
or
her
disability
and
whose
iep
program
and
services
are
appropriate
to
address.
The
child's
needs
may
be
subject
to
the
regular
discipline
of
consequences
and
then,
from
there
we
get
to
talking
about
disabilities.
Individuals
with
disabilities.
Education
act
also
known
as
idea
idea.
K
Procedural
safeguards
were
designed
to
assure
that
students
with
disabilities
receiving
special
education
related
services
were
not
arbitrarily
removed
from
their
parent
approved
program
without
consent,
or
were
guaranteed
a
free
and
appropriate
public
education
within
the
least
restrictive
environment.
There
is
nothing
in
idea
that
restricts
schools
from
disciplining
children
with
disabilities.
In
fact,
some
would
say
that
by
not
addressing
these
dangerous
behaviors,
the
student
with
special
needs
is
not
receiving
an
appropriate
education
from
there.
I'm
going
to
actually
read
from
the
fiscal
note
on
house
bill
1934.
K
According
to
the
national
center
for
education
statistics,
national
2015-2016
teachers
and
principals
surveyed,
nine
percent
of
elementary
teachers
and
two
percent
of
secondary
teachers
reported
being
physically
attacked
by
a
student.
It
is
reasonably
assumed.
2
percent
or
1
377
teachers
will
annually
be
the
victims
of
offense
of
assault
and
then
reading
from
the
bill,
a
person
who
commits
assault
against
a
teacher
first
responder
or
nurse
who
is
discharging
or
attempting
to
discharge
the
teacher's
first
responder
or
nurse's
official
duties
in
if
the
person
normally
causes
bodily
injury
to
the
teacher
first
responder
or
nurse.
K
Many
of
you
familiar
with
this
law.
That's
already
in
statute
that
covers
first
responders
and
nurses.
My
question
is:
all
of
our
schools
have
nurses
in
it
that
are
already
protected
by
this
law?
Why
do
we
not
protect
the
teachers
in
the
classroom
and,
of
course
it
was
a
few
weeks
ago.
Finally,
I
I
appreciate
the
professional
educators
of
tennessee.
We've
been
talking
about
that,
the
several
years
that
I've
been
here
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
protect
our
teachers?
K
Three
teachers
anonymously
came
forward
and
I'm
not
going
to
share
their
names
or
the
the
schools
that
they
work
at,
but
the
the
first
lady
the
way
that
she
was
abused.
She
said
I've
had
enough,
I'm
quitting
teaching
and,
of
course,
we're
worrying
about
keeping.
We've
got
a
problem
short
2,
200
teachers
right
now
and
and
more
and
more
find
out.
They
don't
need
this
kind
of
offensive
thing
to
take
place
against
them.
K
Then
it
was
the
male
teacher
made
testimony
and
it
was
pretty
sad
occasion
because
he
said
it
took
him
90
days
to
finally
was
able
to
see
a
psychologist,
because
there
was
none
available
in
his
situation
and
and
then
the
third
was
a
younger
lady.
She
said:
okay,
it's
it's
happened
to
me,
but
I'm
still
going
to
stick
it
out,
because
I
love
the
children
and
I
want
to
teach
them,
but
a
few
bad
actors
in
the
classroom
in
their
lives.
H
K
But
the
article
that
I
read
from
is
showing
number
one.
Let
me
just
state
this
for
a
fact:
it's
silly
that
we
need
to
bring
a
bill
in
front
of
this
committee
or
any
committee
that
it's,
the
responsibility
and
leadership
comes
from
top
down
from
the
lease,
the
director
of
schools
and
principals.
But
I
keep
hearing
that
the
principals
or
the
school
district
or
they
say,
let's
not
press
charges,
it's.
H
C
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
bring
up
for
purpose
of
the
community
again
appreciate
my
friend
from
davidson
county
asking
that
question,
and
I
appreciate
your
kind
of
preemptive
comments
on
this
particular
bill.
But
I
want
to
clarify
something:
we
are
only
talking
about
intentional
assault
here,
so
a
child
with
disabilities.
That
is
not
able
to
form
the
intent
of
of
intentionally
assaulting.
C
If
you
can't
form
the
intent
to
commit
assault,
and-
and
I
would
like
to
hear
this
from
the
sponsor-
I
would
never
support
a
bill
and
I
don't
think
you
would
ever
bring
a
bill
that
would
try
to
criminalize
someone
who
does
not
have
the
the
mental
acuity
or
due
to
disability
the
ability
to
to
form
the
men's
raft
for
assault.
And
so,
if
a
child
falls
into
that
category
and
happens
to
strike
a
teacher
in
some
way
inadvertently
or
as
part
of
their
disability,
they
they
do
have.
C
K
Of
course,
it
was
monday
afternoon
that
we
had
commissioners
win
in
front
of
government
operations,
and
I
read
from
this
same
article
to
her.
I
said
what
are
we
doing
for
teachers
in
the
classroom?
Well,
we've
passed
bills
in
the
past
and
and
and
it's
working
its
way
through
the
system.
In
the
meantime,
in
my
district
montgomery
county,
there
were
two
teachers
abused,
and
one
finally
said
I
have
had
enough
and
I
filed
charges
where's
the
leadership
in
the
school
districts.
C
I
thank
you
for
that,
but
I
I
would
friend
a
friend
here.
I
would
like
you
to
ask
answer
the
question.
I
specifically
ask:
is
it
your
intent
in
any
way
shape,
form
or
fashion
for
those
children
that
are
unable
to
form
the
intent
for
this
bill
to
affect
them,
because
I
would
say
that
the
wording
on
the
page
is
that
if
you
cannot
form
the
intent
to
commit
assault,
this
bill
does
not
affect
you
in
any
way.
C
You
very
much
I
appreciate
it
just
want
to
make
sure
we
were
dealing
with
intentional
assaults,
not
anything
that
was
unintentional,
not
only
things
the
disabled
child
might
do
unintentionally,
because
if
someone
walks
up
to
teacher
and
punches
them
in
the
face
yeah,
they
should
be
punished
worse
than
somebody
who
gets
in
a
bar
fight.
So
thank
you.
J
K
No
representative
hardaway
the
bill
doesn't
cover
that,
but
my
hope
and
my
intent
in
the
future
is
people
understanding
the
situation
that
there
are
the
students
with
special
needs
out
there
that
that
need
the
help,
and
I,
I
really
think
through
the
new
funding
formula,
as
we
are
being
told
it
will
help
those
individuals
get
them
in
the
right,
maybe
not
the
right
classroom,
but
maybe
the
specific
help
that
they
need
for
their
current
living
conditions
or
situation
in
the
educational
process.
But
no,
this
bill
does
not
cover
that.
J
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
when
we
look
at
how
we
match
children
and
resources
up,
that
is
family
and
resources,
but
I've
got
teachers
out
of
memphis
shelby
county
who
have
chosen
to
resign
as
opposed
to
moving
back
into
the
classroom
with
the
threat
of
violence.
Okay,
they
got
the
break
thanks
to
covet.
They
had
peace
of
mind
by
teaching
virtually
or
some
hybrid
of
virtual
education,
and
when
it
came
time
to
get
back
in
the
classroom
said
they
didn't
plan
to
put
themselves
under
that
type
of
trauma
and
stress
and
resign.
A
L
How
do
you
know
that
and
she
says
well,
I
was
sitting
in
my
car
and
my
phone
received
an
alert
saying
that
someone
had
put
a
tracking
device
on
my
car
and
that
troubled
me
a
lot
because
you
know
I'm
in
a
rural
part
of
the
tennessee.
You
know
where
you
don't
have
to
lock
your
cars
that
you
were
talking
about
earlier
and
you
could
just
tell
that
shea
was
pretty
much.
L
L
J
L
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Any
other
questions
or
comments.
Questions
called
any
objection.
Seeing
no
we're
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2802
on
the
full
criminal,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed
eyes
prevail.
Thank
you.
Go
on
the
full
criminal
you
may
be
excused
momentarily.
I
have
next
item
up
is
house
bill
2236
by
representative
littleton.
L
On
the
bill,
okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
once
again,
and
that
last
bill
there.
I
just
appreciate
the
confidence
and
I'm
that's
that's
really
close
to
my
heart
and
if
he
could
have
seen
the
look
on
that
little
girl's
face
that
day,
it
was
tough,
but
anyhow,
back
on
this.
That's
the
current
topic
here.
L
M
To
be
honest
with
you,
as
opposed
to
where
I'm
from
down
here,
I
still
work
on
federal
contracts,
teaching
law
enforcement
officers
to
shoot
and
also
run
a
small
company
called
citizen
safety
academy,
and
what
we
do
at
citizen
safety
academy
is
we
do
what
we
call
gateway
instruction,
meaning
we
tend
to
gear
our
instruction
toward
people
who
are
normally
not
within
the
general
gun
culture.
So
we
get
a
lot
of
youth.
M
M
We
wanted
to
cover
ourselves
and
make
sure
that
everything
was
up
and
up
as
it
should
be,
and
if
you
know
anything
about
this
and
I'm
speaking
this,
as
you
know,
as
a
retired
cop
who's
been
almost
20
years,
doing
it
for
a
living
that
the
laws
can
be
very
difficult
to
understand
and
very
confusing,
and
when
I
was
looking
at
what
the
atf
is
proposing
to
put
out
this
summer,
I
don't
see
looking
at
it.
I
don't
see
how
you
can
avoid
getting
in
trouble
with
this
thing.
M
So
I'm
hoping
that
the
you
know
that
we
can.
We
can
do
something
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
it's
funny,
because
I
often
go
back
to
buffalo.
Sometimes
I
still
have
family
there
and-
and
you
know
the
culture
there
makes
it
very
difficult
in
the
same
way,
and
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
that
we
don't
end
up
like
that.
So
have
any
questions.
A
M
For
personal
defense,
personal
safety,
one
nice
thing
about
those
pistols
is
that
they're
much
easier
to
transport
when
it
comes
to
moving
from
state
to
state.
For
example,
if
you
want
to
go
visit,
you're
on
mississippi
or
a
different
state,
where
a
certain
firearm
pistol
may
not
be
able
to
be
carried
a
larger
pistol,
which
is
easier
to
shoot
for
some
people,
because
you
know
smaller
pistols
are
harder
to
fire.
J
M
I
don't
know
I
don't
understand
why
the
atf
has
changed
his
mind.
So
often
on
that.
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
you
know
politically
going
down
in
washington,
but
when
I
look
at
the
regs
they
coming
up
with
some
type
of
checklist
and
when
you
start
to
check
off
the
boxes,
it's
literally
almost
impossible
to
to
keep
what
we
have
now
and
what
we've
been
allowed
to
use
stay
within
the
within
the
bounds
of
the
law.
A
A
N
Good
morning,
my
name
is
brian
griffin.
I
am
the
owner
of
waypoint
defensive,
which
is
a
handgun
safety
school
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
I've
also
been
a
healthcare
provider
in
the
state
of
tennessee
for
the
past
17
years
with
that
I've
had
the
opportunity
of
reaching
out
to
literally
thousands
of
students
and
helping
them
to
understand
firearm
law
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
N
N
N
The
second
big
thing
that
this
legislation
does
in
the
elimination
of
this
one
line
of
code,
is
it
readdressing
the
concept
of
sbrs
or
short
barreled
rifles?
This
is
already
regulated
by
the
atf
through
a
very
convoluted
difficult
to
understand.
Matrix
of
assessment
points
tennessee
makes
it
illegal
again.
N
N
Surprisingly,
it
could
very
easily.
The
atm
atf
has
a
tendency
of
changing
those
regulations
and
those
codes
on
almost
a
monthly
basis,
and
it's
hard
to
understand.
So
if
we
don't
watch
out,
we
have
law-abiding
citizens
who
have
navigated
that
matrix
to
make
sure
they
have
in
possession
legal
firearms
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
can
accidentally
double
charge
them
with
the
same
criminal
activity
on
both
a
federal
and
a
state
level.
C
C
N
Not
a
problem,
this
legislation
removes
that
line,
so
it
actually
helps
out
people.
Okay,
this
on
the
sbr
front.
Okay,
it's
still
illegal.
Okay,
however,
this
eliminates
that
line
that
allows
for
that
double
charge
on
the
shotgun
side
of
things,
it's
that
line
by
itself,
if
interpreted
erroneously
or
with
other
intent,
would
make
somebody
have
a
criminal
act
of
the
possession
of
the
shotgun.
N
A
O
Patrick
powell,
tbi
tbi
has
concerns
about
the
bill.
This
will
throw
us
out
of
sync
with
federal
regulations.
Currently
it
is
prohibited
under
federal
law
and
state
law.
However,
it
is
legal
under
the
state
if
you
comply
with
the
national
firearms
act.
So
anyone
who
goes
through
that
legal
process
is
fine
to
own
these.
These
weapons,
this
short
barrel,
rifle
short
barrel
shotgun.
O
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
appreciate
your
comments.
I'm
kind
of
a
strict
constitutionalist
interpretationist
and
it's
my
understanding
back
when
the
second
amendment
was
passed.
There
weren't
any
laws
that
banned
a
citizen
from
having
a
cannon
at
that
point.
If
they
wanted
to
you
familiar,
do
you
aware
of
any
law
back
then
that
prohibited
an
ordinary
citizen,
a
patriot,
someone
who'd
fought.
You
know
to
throw
the
british
off
the
greatest
military
capable
army
in
the
world
at
that
time,
beaten
by
a
bunch
of
citizens.
G
O
Yes,
sir,
I
mean,
ultimately,
you
could
have
any
any
city
police
officer,
any
sheriff's
department,
tbi
agent,
who
could
witness
a
a
weapon
that
is
possessed
illegally
under
federal
law
and
would
not
be
able
to
act
under
state
law,
would
have
to
simply
call
and
see
if
the
feds
were
willing
to
come
deal
with
it.
If
not,
they
would
have
to
send
them
on
their
way.
So
again,
there
are
a
number
of
times
where
we
have
crimes
that
are
illegal,
both
federally
and
state.
O
J
O
I
mean
ultimately
that
going
back
into
the
reasons
why
these
were
prohibited
in
the
first
place.
Yes,
I
mean
these
are
more
easily
concealed,
obviously
higher
fire
power,
so
they
do
pose
an
increased
danger
to
both
law
enforcement
and
the
general
populace.
That's
why
they've
again
been
unanimously
held
to
be
prohibited
or
not
allowed.
I
will
say
under
the
second
amendment
they
are
allowed
under
the
national
firearms
act,
if
acted
upon
appropriately
by
by
the
citizenry.
A
H
Michelle
fogarty
legal
services
under
tca
3917
1307
fc,
a
person
commits
an
offense
who
possesses
a
firearm
and
is
prohibited
from
possessing
a
firearm
firearm
under
any
other
state
or
federal
law.
So
anyone
possessing
a
firearm
in
this
state
that
is
prohibited
from
possessing
that
firearm
under
federal
law
is
also
violating
3917.
H
A
O
O
We
believe
that
it
would
cause
additional
problems
for
law
enforcement.
Yes,
sir,
why?
Because
again
you
could
see
and
a
weapon
that
you
know
is
illegal
under
federal
law
and
you
could
not
act.
The
state
law
would
not
would
not
allow
them
to.
Obviously
miss
fogerty
has
has
brought
up
another
portion
of
the
code,
which
arguably
makes
this
almost
nonsensical,
because
it's
not
going
to
complete
the
whole
the
whole
effort,
I
think,
of
the
sponsor.
O
D
D
D
We
know
we
know
that
they
do
so.
The
answer
is
yes,
so
it's
your
position
with
the
tbi
fbi,
which
is
it
I
work
for
the
tbi
okay.
So
it's
your
position
with
the
tbi
that
you
think
the
government-
it's
okay
for
them
to
have
this
weapon,
but
a
law-abiding
citizen
under
the
constitution
of
the
united
states
and
second
amendment
cannot
have
this
weapon
is
that
is
that
your
position?
No.
O
Sir,
my
our
position
is
that
anyone
who
possesses
it
lawfully
is
is
fine.
The
problem
is
that
they
would
be
possessing
this
unlawfully
on
the
federal
level,
and
again
ms
fogerty
has
has
brought
light
to
a
conundrum
with
the
law
in
this
situation,
but
we
have
no
problems
with
people
who
are
complying
with
the
law
law.
O
Abiding
citizens
who
have
gone
through
the
appropriate
processes
with
national
firearms
act
who
possess
these
weapons
legally
completely
fine
law
enforcement
if
they
possess
them
in
a
legal
fashion,
totally
fine,
it's
the
individuals
who
are
not
the
law
abiding
who
have
not
gone
through
those
processes,
and
then
we
would
not
be
able
to
act.
Those
are
the
individuals
that
we
are.
D
O
I
am
talking
about
the
national
firearms
act
and
the
decisions
of
the
supreme
court,
which
were
unanimous
going
back
to
1939
that
short
barrel
shotguns
are
not
protected,
so
that
overrides
the
second
amendment
there.
The
court
interprets
the
second
amendment
and
they
have
interpreted
that
short
barrel.
Shotguns
are
not
protected
under
the
second
amendment.
D
J
Thank
you,
sir,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
were
clear,
there's
a
lot
of
back
and
forth.
This
is
about
it's
not
about
whether
the
second
amendment
remains
intact.
This
is
about
a
process
that
the
supreme
court
has
agreed
with
there.
There
is
a
process
on
the
federal
level
for
you
to
own.
If
you
choose
to
you
can
possess
these
weapons,
but
there's
a
process,
a
federal
process
and.
J
A
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'll
be
brief.
Good
morning
members
james
held
legislative
liaison
department
of
safety
at
the
sake
of
being
redundant
I'll.
Just
try
to
talk
about
the
bill
as
written
as
the
leader
pointed
out.
It
is
a
pretty
short
bill.
We
just
from
the
department
of
safety
is
concerned,
is
just
to
echo,
and
what
tbi
mentioned
would
love
to
be
make
sure
that
this
language
could
be
consistent
with
all
of
our
federal
regulations.
We
understand
the
intent
of
the
sponsor
and
we've
we'd
love
to
see
just
some
language.
J
D
The
department
of
safety
works
for
the
state
of
tennessee,
correct,
that's
correct,
we're
an
executive
agency,
and
you
are
coming
here
today
and
you're,
saying
that
you
are
against
citizens
keeping
and
bearing
arms.
According
to
the
second
amendment,
you
are
opposed
to
the
legislation
that's
being
brought
today.
Is
that
correct.
P
D
P
D
I
would
just
like
to
go
on
record
as
saying
that,
personally,
I'm
tired
of
departments
that
work
in
government
lobbying
against
the
citizens
and
the
bills
that
we
have
the
departments
of
the
state
of
tennessee
work
for
the
citizens.
It's
not
the
other
way
around
and
the
citizens
don't
have
any
lobbyists
to
come
and
they
just
have
to
take
their
own
time.
D
You're
getting
paid
citizens
don't
get
paid,
they
have
to
take
off
work
and
maybe
lose
their
job,
and
I
think
that-
and
I
hope
that
we
pass
a
bill
to
stop
agencies
from
lobbying
against
the
legislature
that
is
supposed
to
under
the
constitution,
write
the
bills
and
pass
laws
that
we
live
by
in
the
united
states
and
these
departments
are
taking
over.
So
that's
my
opinion
and
I
just
want
to
go
on
record
saying
it.
A
E
E
E
L
A
A
B
B
And
it
does
make
the
bill,
so
I
want
to
read
a
little
bit
about
where
it
came
from.
First,
if
that's
okay,
thank
you.
This
bill
derived
from
a
year-long
finding
from
the
second
look
commission
a
department
of
the
tennessee
commission
on
children
and
youth.
The
commission
was
created
in
response
to
the
need
to
review
and
improve
how
the
state
handles
severe
child
cases
abuse
cases
we
meet
along
with
the
child,
counselors
judges,
law
enforcement,
dcs
workers
and
many
others
each
month
and
do
a
deep
dive
investigation
of
these
specially
chosen
cases.
B
So
the
trauma
of
children
who
witness
abuse
and
neglect
are
in
traumatic
situations.
The
children
do
not
have
to
be
alleged
victims.
The
bill
changes
the
definition
of
child
abuse
of
the
purpose
of
dependency
and
neglect
precedence,
so
no
one
either
the
victim
or
the
perpetrator
of
domestic
abuse
would
be
charged
with
the
crime.
Under
this
definition,
however,
dcs
could
act
to
protect
the
child
based
on
a
funding
of
a
child
abuse
under
the
definition,
if
enacted.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor.
Let
me
get
this
straight,
so
basically,
what
we're
doing
is
saying
that
you
don't
have
to
have
a
physical
injury
to
have
ch
to
be
charged
with
child
abuse.
It's
a
it's
a
mental
injury.
From
from
seeing
a
sibling
or
an
another
child
abused.
Am
I
getting
it.
F
H
B
It's
trauma
and
they're
traumatized
by
it,
and
it
is,
it
does
include
domestic
violence
but
they're
not
charged,
but
if
there's
domestic
violence
in
the
home
as
well,
those
children
are
traumatized
by
it,
and
so
this
just
tries
to
help
them
get
some
help
and
away
from
the
that
type
of
abuse.
For
a
little
while.
A
Thank
you.
Questions
been
called
any
objections,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
sending
or
attaching
amendment
code
13903
on
the
house
bill
2236,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
those
opposed
you
adopt.
We
are
on
house
bill
2236
as
amended
any
questions.
Questions
been
called
any
objections.
Seeing
numbers
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2236
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye,
those
opposed
the
eyes
prevail.
You
go
to
full
criminal.
Thank.
A
A
G
D
G
E
G
Thank
you.
It's
my
understanding
right
now,
under
current
law
on
asset
forfeiture,
if
an
innocent
owner
a
lien
holder
or
something
like
that
on
a
vehicle
is
unaware
of
the
actions
being
that
their
vehicle
or
conveyance
is
being
used
for
some
criminal
purpose
that
they
have
a
right
to
seek
recovery,
and
it
would
prevent
the
state
from
forfeiting
the
vehicle
against
against
those
legitimate
title
interests.
G
C
Mr
chairman,
can
we
go
out
of
session
and
ask
legal
that
particular
question?
I
the
wording
in
other
bills,
and
I
didn't
catch
us
till
representative
griffey
mentioned
it,
but
I
think
the
wording
is
normally
that
you
forfeit
your
ownership
interest
or
something
of
that
nature.
That's
at
least
how
it's
interpreted
and
how
it
works
in
court.
C
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
addressing
that
issue
where
you
are
forfeiting,
whatever
ownership
interest
and
usually
the
way
that
works
is,
if
say,
someone
you
know
is
involved
in
criminal
activity
where
forfeiture
may
occur,
and
the
process
is
followed
properly,
that
we've
all
set
up,
that
they
would
forfeit
their
ownership
of
interest.
But
if,
like
a
bank,
still
had
a
loan
on
that
car,
then
the
the
actual
physical
vehicle
goes
back
to
the
bank
that
person
forfeits
their
ownership
interest.
C
A
H
H
E
J
J
A
Any
other
questions
for
our
sponsor
questions
been
called
in
the
saying:
no
we're
now
voting
on
sending
house
bill
1886
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye,
those
opposed
the
ice
prevail.
You
move
on
the
full
criminal.
Thank
you
item
number
eight
house
bill
2-0-4-3
by
representative
cochran.
A
Q
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
I
do
believe
this
is
a
friendly
amendment.
We
were
looking
at
the
you
know
as
as,
as
we
chairman,
do
we
look
at
the
calendars
as
they're
coming
up
and-
and
I
think
this
is
a
very
worthwhile
effort,
but
I
noticed
the
fiscal
note
that
was
attached
to
this
bill
and
I
know
representative
cochran
works
very
hard
on
his
legislation
in
various
committees,
but
in
these
committees
at
criminal
we
we've
kind
of
learned
some
some
hard
thought.
E
I
guess
lessons
you
know
hitting
a
lot
of
potholes
along
the
way,
but
so
what
this
amendment
seeks
to
do
is
to
really
help
alleviate
that
fiscal
note.
We
can.
We
find
we
can
accomplish
the
same
thing
by
making
something
a
misdemeanor
so
that
it's
still
illegal
to
sell
it,
and-
and
that's
that's
what
this
amendment
seeks
to
do
so
it
just
helps
with
the
fiscal
note
and
again
I
believe
it's
a
friendly
amendment.
A
Thank
you.
Question
has
been
called
on
the
amendment,
any
objection,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
attaching
amendment
code,
one
four,
two:
nine
one
on
to
house
bill,
2043,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
those
opposed
the
eyes
prevail.
You
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
2043,
as
amended
representative
cochran
you're
recognized.
Thank
you.
Q
Mr
chairman,
essentially
so
that
this
bill,
the
the
primary
substance
that
we're
going
after
here
is
something
called
tie.
Neptine
it's
marketed
as
zaza
red,
and
it's
truthfully,
a
substance
that
I
had
really
no
knowledge
about
until
recently,
and
so
it
had
affected
a
family
in
my
district,
it's
a
it's
a
substance
that
you
can
really
go
into.
Any
gas
station
and
purchase
has
similar
effects
to
to
meth
and
heroin.
Q
Q
I
wanted
to
make
sure
before
I
brought
a
law
about
again.
I
mentioned
that
it
affected
a
family
in
my
district.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
wasn't
an
isolated
incident
that
we
weren't
trying
to
change
code
for
something
that
maybe
was
not
a
widespread
problem.
So
I
contacted
the
department
of
health
and
then
ultimately
tbi
and
you
know
tb.
I
said
you
know
this
actually
is
it's
becoming
a
statewide
issue?
Q
Q
As
representative
curcio
mentioned
earlier:
we've
we
haven't,
it
doesn't
make
it
a
schedule
two,
because
that
carries
some
some
jail
time
there,
and
that
attaches
that
fiscal
note,
but
at
least
takes
it
off
the
shelves
where
it's
not
so
easily
accessible.
This
is
this
is
some
pretty
rough
stuff
and
so
and
something
that
has
been
affecting
quite
a
few
folks
across
our
state.
But
with
that
explanation
I'll,
I
will
yield
to
questions.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
commit,
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill.
My
question
is
what
the
heck
is
the
fda.
Doing
I
mean
why
are
they
even
allowing
this
stuff
to
be
sold
in
gas
stations
and
convenience
store
if
it's
got
these
kind
of
effects,
because
you
know,
probably
our
young
people
are
going
to
be
the
folks
most
susceptible
to
manipulation
and
you
know
cajoling
and
using
it
and
peer
pressure,
and
I
just
what
is
our
federal
food
and
drug
administration
doing?
Thank
you.
Q
No,
I
think,
that's
a
very
fair
question
and
it's
marketed,
I
believe,
a
lot
of
times
as
some
sort
of
dietary
supplement.
You
know
it's
it's
similar.
You
know
when
we
saw
with
bath
salts,
they
were
marketed
as
bath
salts,
but
obviously
that's
not
why
people
were
purchasing
them
and
when
folks
are,
when
folks
are
committed
to
producing
this
stuff,
they're
always
kind
of
trying
to
say
a
step
above.
The
law.
They're
always
changing
that
chemical
compound-
and
this
is
that
latest
chemical
compound.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor.
I
do
have
comments
I'd
like
to
make,
but
I'll
reserve
them.
If
any
of
the
committee
has
something
they'd
like
to
say,
seeing
that
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
also
to
the
various
departments
that
have
aided
in
this
being
a
border
county
in
this
fine
state.
A
A
First,
he
stole
a
car
in
alabama
to
get
there
burglarized
a
store
got
caught
in
the
commission
of
the
crime.
His
wife
at
home
had
no
idea
that
he
was
addicted
to
these
pills.
He'd
been
struggling
with
this
addiction.
For
some
time
he
had
been
driving
back
and
forth
to
tennessee
to
pick
up
large
quantities
of
it
and
hiding
it.
So
it's
very
bad.
A
We've
also
had
several
folks
that
have
had
some
extremely
difficult
withdrawals
that
have
come
into
our
local
jail
because
they're
not
showing
up
in
in
drug
screens
for
a
lot
of
the
things
that
you're
looking
for,
but
they
are
suffering
from
terrible
withdrawals.
So
I
believe
it's
a
fantastic
bill
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that.
Thank
you
any
other
questions.
A
A
R
Thank
you
chairman
and
members
of
committee.
Yes,
sir
I'd
like
to
explain
the
amendment
and
put
that
on
the
bill
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Members.
This
piece
of
legislation
establishes
three
three
new
criminal
acts,
one
of
especially
aggravated
rape,
the
second
especially
aggravated
rape
of
a
child
and
the
third
of
grave
torture.
R
R
A
Thank
you
for
your
explanation.
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
any
questions
been
called
any
objections.
Seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
attaching
amendment
code
15173
on
the
house
bill
2244,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
those
opposed
the
ice,
prevent
you
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
2244
as
amended.
A
C
A
S
S
S
This
bill,
what
were
that's?
What
prompted
this
bill?
You
all
know
that
criminal
justice
y'all
don't
ever
see
me
in
here.
This
is
not
one
of
my
people
have
different
passions
and
different
areas
of
expertise,
and
this
is
not
mine,
but
I
do
know
that
on
that
day,
my
friends
and
neighbors
went
through
the
door,
not
just
the
police
force,
but
the
firemen
and
the
emts
not
knowing
what
they
were
going
to
get
into
and
as
a
result
of
that,
an
assault
of
this.
S
S
So
what
this
does
is
this
bill
proposes
increased
penalties
for
those
who
do
harmed
first
responders
beyond
just
the
police.
There's
some
elevated
penalty
clauses
in
here
and
again.
What
my
purpose
in
bringing
this
bill
is
to
draw
attention
to
the
fact
that
evil
doesn't
discriminate
against
only
policemen.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
chairman
vaughn,
for
bringing
this
legislation.
I
fully
agree
with
it
and
I
passed
around
to
sign
on
sheet
to
everyone
on
the
committee
and
I
believe
everyone's
saying
no
one
said
maybe
the
chairman
he
hadn't
had
a
chance.
You
know
if
he
wants
to
sign
on
it
as
well.
A
I
would
I
won't.
I
would
actually
love
to
sign
on
to
this.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this.
The
amendment
does
make
the
bill.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
sir,
it
does
question
has
been
called
any
objection,
saying
no
we're
now
voting
on
attaching
amendment
code,
one
three,
nine
two,
three
on
the
house
bill,
2247,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
as
opposed
the
eyes
prevail.
You
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
2247
as
amended.
A
S
A
A
T
The
amendment
thank
you,
representative,
thank
you,
sir,
and
what
this
amendment
amendment
does.
Is
it
when
we,
when
we
first
drafted
the
legislation,
the
level
of
criminal
littering
didn't
reach
the
level
that
I
thought
was.
It
was
too
light.
It
was
not
enough
there,
it's
like,
in
fact,
it
was
almost
as
if
somebody
threw
a
piece
of
trash
out
there
in
the
in
the
community
and
and
we
were
tying
it
to
this
bill.
T
C
Thank
lambert
to
the
sponsor
just
a
question,
so
I
was
trying
to
scan
down
through
here
and
see
if
this
increased
penalties
on
these
individuals
or
what
the
potential
remedy
was,
and
is
it
accurate
to
say
that
the
remedy
is
that
these
individuals
would
be
barred
from
that
community?
I
was
trying
to
figure
out,
or
is
the
increase
in
penalty?
What
is
your
intention
as
far
as
what
it
would
cause
with
that
increase
in
weight?
Yes,
sir,.
T
A
T
You
can
thank
you,
thank
you,
sir
and
leader,
so
back
in
2015.
I
believe
we
passed
this
bill.
The
neighborhood
protection
act
and
the
neighborhood
protection
act
laid
outline
some,
oh
in
my
days
being
on
criminal
committee.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it
outlined
some
criminal
activity,
pretty
harsh
criminal
activity
that
would
allow
neighborhood
associations
watch
groups
that
were
formerly
recognized,
formerly
recognized
either
by
by
their
law
enforcement
agency
or
the
state
of
tennessee
through
the
secretary
of
state's
office,
and
also
in
that
that
had
an
outline
of
their
boundaries
right.
T
So
these
are
the
things
that
had
to
be
in
place
for
for
this
neighborhood
protection
act
to
kick
in
and
and
some
of
those
some
of
those
laws
were
in
that
were
included
in
the
neighborhood
protection
act
were
rape,
and
I
can't
think
of
all
of
them
right
now.
I
would
have
to
refer
to
legal,
but
but
they're
pretty
serious
violations
and
you
had
to
be
convicted
of
those
those
violations
three
times
and
that
neighborhood
association
as
an
organization
could
then
petition
a
judge
to
say
to
see.
T
If
that
judge
would
allow
a
restraining
order
to
keep
that
person
out
of
that
neighborhood
because
they
had
they
had
intentionally
victimized
that
same
neighborhood
and
been
convicted
of
it
three
times,
so
they
were
targeting
this
neighborhood.
How
did
how
that
original
bill
came
about
is
one.
I
had
a
a
constituent
who
was
a
nurse
that
said
she
came
outside
at
dusk
that
morning
right
and
she
saw
an
individual
who
who
they
knew,
that
lived
in
the
neighborhood
and
he
was
carrying
a
clothes
dryer
on
his
I'm,
not
dusk,
at
dawn.
T
I'm
sorry
he
was
carrying
a
clothes
dryer
on
his
back
that
he
had
apparently
gotten
out
of
someone's
house
and
she
said
she's
a
nurse
at
one
of
our
hospitals.
She
said
now,
I'm
afraid
to
go
to
work
right,
and
I
said
nobody
has
to
live
like
that.
So
so
we
passed
this
bill.
That
said,
because
he
was
this
person
who
lived
with
his
grandmother
in
that
neighborhood
was
targeting
the
people
in
that
neighborhood
when
they
would
go
to
work,
and
so
we
passed
this
law
neighborhood
protection
act.
C
Thank
you,
leader,
lamberth,
then
mr
sherman
and
hearing
the
intention
of
the
sponsor
on
this.
If
we
can
go
to
legal,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
those
cross
references
are
all
accurately
portrayed
in
the
amendment
and
that
it
is
that
it
would
have
to
be
three
offenses,
and
then
it
gives
this
these
organizations
an
opportunity
to
go
to
the
judge
and
in
the
judge's
discretion
they
can.
I'm
assuming
weigh
this.
I
would
like
to
know
what
the
standard
of
proof
on
that
is.
H
Michelle
fogarty
legal
services,
the
amendment
adds
the
offense
of
aggravated
criminal
littering
in
those
amounts
to
the
list
of
offenses,
which
must
have
been.
The
offender
must
have
been
convicted
three
or
more
separate
times
of
committing
that
offense,
and
they
must
have
been
committed
within
the
boundaries
of
the
residential
area.
H
C
A
G
A
T
Yes,
sir,
mr
chair,
they
absolutely
can
because
that
individual
that
had
the
dryer
on
his
back
lived
in
that
in
that
community.
He
lived
there-
yes,
sir,
but
and
and
keep
in
mind
now
that
they're,
specifically
targeting
this
community
and
we're
talking
about
three
convictions
of
you
know
targeting
this
community
we're
talking
about
three
convictions
of
where
they
actually
did
it
in
that
community.
T
A
Well,
I
do
know
in
some
instances
that
I've
heard
from
folks
that
have
talked
about
that
lived
in
communities.
They
may
have
a
community
dumpster
where
members
of
the
community
put
their
trash
for
pickup.
They
might
have
an
item
on
the
side.
You
know
a
couch
that
won't
fit
in
the
dumpster.
They
throw
it
out
beside
the
dumpster.
Could
they
be?
They
could
be
charged
for
littering
at
that
point,
you
know
because
they're
not
putting
it
in
the
proper.
T
G
Thank
you
chairman
for
your
your
comments
and
questions
and
those
hypothetical.
I
kind
of
wonder
if
we
go
to
full
committee,
whether
we
might
want
to
consider
an
acceptance
doesn't
include
the
proper
placement
of
refuse
out
at
the
curb
for
prop
pickup
by
trash
services.
Something
like
that.
So
we
don't
run
into
a
problem
with
somebody
misinterpreting
what
we're
doing
here
and
then
using
it
as
a
sword
rather
than
a
shield.
Thank
you.
A
T
A
T
T
T
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
miss
chair
and
thank
you
committee.
This
is
actually
a
pro-gun
bill
pro
second
amendment
rights
bill
and
let
me
lead
off
with
that.
You
know
so
you
know
every
now
and
then
let
me
be
clear
about
the
caption
too.
This
does
not
prohibit
law
enforcement
from
participating
in
gun,
buyback
programs.
What
it
does
is
it
shifts
how
it's
done
a
little
bit
right,
and
so
you
know
most
of
the
time
in
in
the
with
these
gun
buyback
programs.
T
The
people
that
show
up
and-
and
you
know,
turn
their
guns
in
is
who
we
would
call
big,
mama
or
grandma
or
or
you
know,
or
you
know,
auntie,
but
I've
never
seen
gangster
disciples
vice
lords,
crips,
bloods
or
any.
You
know,
individuals
that
are
gang
affiliated,
showing
up
bringing
their
uzis
and
choppers
to
the
gun,
buyback
program
for
a
50
gas
card
or
grocery
card,
and
that's
the
honest
truth
and
while,
while
well
intentioned
you
know
it
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
hit
its
target
and
so
and
what
happens
is
grandma?
T
Who
has
to
make
a
decision
between
this
one
means
of
protection
in
her
probably
been
in
her
closet
or
versus
that
of
a
grocery
card
in
a
lot
of
cases,
makes
a
decision
hey.
I
need
this,
this
grocery
cart.
I
need
these
this
gas
card
and
so
she'll
take
her
only
means
of
protection
and
give
it
away
for
this
grocery
card
or
this
gas
card.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
sponsor.
We.
I
think
the
committee
appreciates
your
intent
on
this
bill.
I
think
this
bill
is
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem,
though
it's
unfortunate
if
people
are
in
that
position
and
they're
trading
away
their
protection
for
grocery
cards,
gas
cards
or
whatever
I
hate
to
see
that
I
think
the
better
solution
might
be
to
try
to
address
that
situation
with.
Why
are
they
in
that
depth
of
financial,
an
economic
strain
that
they
would
give
up
their
home
protection?
T
And
so
you
know
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
protect
their
homes.
If
you
know
the
rapist,
the
robber
or
someone
is,
is
trying
to
do
them
hard,
and
so
we
don't.
We
don't
want
anyone
disarming
the
most
vulnerable
of
our
communities.
We,
in
fact
we
want
them
to
support
it
by
incentivizing
them
to
go
to
a
gun
safety
class.
So
they
know
what
the
law
says
versus
not
so
they're,
not
acting
out
of
ignorance
of
the
law
and
end
up
in
trouble
themselves.
So,
but
thank
you
for
that.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
it's
funny
how
the
spring
weather
in
tennessee
is
so
warm
last
week,
but
there's
a
cold
breeze
blowing
this
week,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
knew
that.
So
you
were
prepared
with
an
overcoat
if
you
needed
that
before
you
went
outside
and
because
you're
my
friend
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
okay.
T
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
all
right,
okay!
Well,
you
know
you
know
it.
You
know,
tennessee
weather
is
funny,
it
is,
you
know
it
can
be
sunny
one
day
it
could
be
rainy
the
next
day
and
it
can
be
raining
and
sunny
at
the
same
time,
so
I
say:
hey
do
what
you
pleased
with
I'm
at
the
will
of
the
committee.
If
you
want
to
kill
it,
I
say:
kill
it.
If
you
want
to
want
to
pass
it
through,
I
think
it's
some
good
legislation.
T
T
C
C
A
Take
up,
I
appreciate
that
recommendation
and
and
concern
for
your
fellow
legislator
we're
going
to
go
to
item
number
15
house
bill
2319
by
representative
hall.
If
we
have
time
after
this
we'll
take
up
that
other
that
you
had
motioned
for
other
earlier,
you
have
a
motion.
Second,
you
recognize
representative
hall.
Thank
you.
D
C
C
So
I
will
say
that
in
in
a
and
I
know,
you'll
want
to
respond
to
this,
and
time
is
a
little
bit
tight
in
this
committee
today,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
summer
study
this
with
the
understanding.
I
know
you
have
aspirations
to
potentially
not
be
a
member
of
this
chamber
next
year,
but
maybe
a
member
of
a
different
chamber.
C
But
for
this
year's
purposes
right
now,
putting
a
specific
amount
of
bond
is
just
simply
not
something
we
could
do
constitutionally
in
a
tennessee
constitution,
so
that,
mr
chairman
and
I
want
to
make
sure
the
sponsor
has
plenty
of
time
to
respond.
I
would
make
a
motion
to
summer
study
this
particular
bill.
A
C
Mr
chairman,
I
will
draw
my
motion.
I
I've
had
hoped
to
be
able
to
work
on
this
bill
with
the
sponsor
and
get
something
that
would
have
been
palatable.
I'm
now
being
told,
apparently
that
on
the
third
consideration
of
a
bill,
we
cannot
do
that.
I
hope
we'll
all
check
with
the
clerk
on
that,
because
I
thought
that
was
a
proper
motion
at
any
time
that
a
bill
was
before
us
a
third
time.
D
Paul,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
still
look
forward
to
working
with
leader
lambert
as
this
bill
moves
forward.
My
motives
are
pure
fentanyl
is
a
very,
very
deadly
chemical
and
it
has
become
an
epidemic
in
our
great
state
and
the
greatest
act
of
love.
I
can
show
my
constituents
the
innocent
parties
involved,
and
even
the
suspect
is
to
continue
on
this
path
of
moving
the
bond
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and,
mr
chairman,
if
I
need
to
be
moved
to
a
to
the
special
calendar,
I'll
be
willing
to
do
that.
Sir.
A
A
I
A
House
bill
2184
by
representative
garrett.
Thank
you
all
right.
There's
you're
recognizing
there's
an
amendment
one,
four,
one,
six,
nine!
You
wish
your
second,
please
question
has
been
called
on
the
amendment,
any
objection,
seeing
no.
When
I've
already
gone
attaching
amendment
code
14169
on
the
house
bill
2184,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
I
suppose
the
eyes
prevail.
You
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
2184
as
amended.
Please.
A
Question
has
been
called
any
objection,
seeing
no
we're
now
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2184
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
as
opposed
the
ice
prevail.
You
move
on
a
full
criminal.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee,
all
right
members
that
comes
to
the
end
of
our
journey.
We
will
roll
all
remaining
bills
on
to
next
week's
calendar.