►
Description
House Criminal Justice Subcommittee - February 16, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
B
Hello,
I'm
mr
munez,
the
sergeant-at-arms
for
this
committee
today,
I'm
a
proud
constituent
of
the
45th
district.
Today's
words
of
wisdom
are
brought
to
you
by
charles
kettering
believe
and
act
as
if
it
were
impossible
to
fail.
A
A
C
C
The
amendment
makes
the
bill
and
it's
house
bill
2656.
C
This
is
called
actually
truth
in
sentencing
and
it's
vital
to
hold
violent
offenders
accountable
for
their
actions,
while
also
protecting
victims
in
the
public,
which
is
a
principle
we,
as
republicans
say,
we
believe,
and
this
legislation
actually
affects
14
particular
crimes.
D
I
haven't
so
of
many
members
of
this
committee
and
I
want
to
commend
you
and
our
speaker
of
the
house
cameron
sexton
as
well,
for
for
really
diving
into
this,
and
just
saying
you
know
not
only
you
know
we
had
a
bill
that
came
through
here
that
I
sponsored
last
week
that
sets
these
sentences
at
where
they
are
now,
but
this
picks
out
some
of
the
worst
of
the
worst
criminals
out
there
and
ensures
that
those
sentences
are
raised
a
bit
to
the
point
where
they
really
should
be,
and
I
think
we
should.
D
We
had
some
conversation
on
that
last
week
because
it's
embarrassing
how
quick
many
of
these
folks
are
released
from
a
sentence
that
they
were
ordered
to
serve
by
an
elected
judge
in
many
cases
after
having
been
convicted
by
a
jury
of
their
peers
in
their
communities,
and
it's
not
fair
to
the
defendant.
It's
not
fair
to
the
victim.
It's
not
fair
to
anybody
at
just
how
low
a
percentage
these
folks
are
eligible
for
parole,
and
most
of
them
won't
make
pearl
that
first
time,
but
it's
just
this
constant
back
and
forth.
D
So
again,
thank
you
for
the
bill
supported
100
and
it's
it
really
right-sizes
many
of
these
sentences
on
the
worst
of
the
worst
offenders.
Thank
you.
E
E
Well,
I
fully
support
your
this
effort
by
speaker,
sexton,
it's
needed
in
tennessee.
We
need
sentence
transparency
for
the
victims
and
for
the
public,
so
the
public
actually
has
appreciation
of
how
much
time
people
are
actually
serving
for
convicting
of
an
offense.
We
all
respond
to
the
citizens,
that's
what
we're
up
here
to
represent
the
citizens
wishes
and
they
need
to
know
the
truth,
not
complicated
formula
of
yes,
maybe
well.
It
depends
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill.
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
in
objection
to
the
question,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
adding
amendment
number
one.
Three,
four,
six,
eight
on
the
house
bill,
2656
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
as
opposed
the
ice
prevail
we
adopt.
We
are
back
on
the
bill
as
amended.
We
do
have
folks
here
that
would
like
to
provide
some
testimony
without
objection.
We
will
go
out
of
session
and
we
will
hear
from
andrew
brazier.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
My
name
is
andrew
brazier,
I'm
a
faith-based
outreach
manager
for
prison,
fellowship
ministries,
and
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today,
I'm
here
to
share
prison,
fellowship's
position
on
26
56,
and
it's
an
honor
to
be
here
today,
and
I
hope
that
my
testimony
can
help
out
in
this
important
discussion.
Allow
me
to
thank
speaker,
sexton's
office
and
also
representative
holsey,
for
generously
engaging
in
a
great
discussion
about
this
bill.
We
appreciate
that
discussion
hope
to
continue
discussing
this
matter.
F
We
also
appreciate
speaker,
sexton
and
bringing
a
transparency
and
sentencing
bill
in
2657
as
the
nation's
largest
christian
nonprofit
serving
prisoners,
former
prisoners
and
their
families.
Prison
fellowship
upholds
that
people
behind
bars
are
creating
god's
image
and
have
god
given
potential
and
purpose.
So
in
keeping
with
biblical
values,
the
state
should
promote
constructive
prison
cultures
where
incarcerated,
men
and
women
cultivate
habits
and
behaviors
that
facilitate
a
productive,
law-abiding
future
after
release.
F
Parole
boards
weigh
that
program,
participation,
other
evidence
and
character
development
in
deciding
whether
to
allow
individuals
to
complete
the
remainder
of
their
sentence
in
community
supervision,
so
together
parole
and
earn
time
credits
promote
prison
environments
where
men
and
women
are
putting
in
work
towards
becoming
good
neighbors
and
responsible
citizens.
As
our
founder
and
former
prisoner
chuck
coulson
once
said,
why
should
an
inmate
lie
on
a
bunk
all
day
with
idle
hands
and
an
empty
mind?
F
We
appreciate
that
this
bill
does
avoid
wholesale
elimination
of
earn
time
credits
and
discretionary
parole
for
all
offenses
across
the
board,
and
while
we
acknowledge
the
grave
harm
that
has
been
done
by
those
who
commit
the
offenses
addressed
in
this
bill,
2656
elimination
of
earned
time
credits
and
discretionary
parole
for
selected
offenses
can
undermine
critical
tools
for
promoting
change
behind
bars.
After
all,
95
percent
of
prisoners
are
going
to
return
someday
to
their
neighborhoods
in
our
communities.
Even
if
we
require
100
of
their
sentence
to
be
served.
F
Therefore,
we
should
incentivize
accountability
and
improvement
through
programming
to
increase
the
likelihood
of
successful
reentry.
Our
shared
goals
of
the
safer
prison
facilities
for
prisoners
and
correctional
officers
alike
and
improved
public
safety
are
not
well
served
when
incentives
for
life
transformation
are
eroded.
F
So,
before
further
consideration
of
2656,
we
urge
you
to
pass
transparency
in
the
sentencing
process,
reflected
in
2657
gather
data
related
to
all
offenses
and
their
recidivism
rates,
review
current
sentencing
trends
across
the
state
and
the
region
and
invest
in
crime
control
strategies
to
keep
our
communities
safe,
parole
and
earn
time
credits
are
catalysts
for
challenging
and
changing
incarcerated
men
and
women.
So
they
will
live
their
divinely
ordained
purpose
and
avoid
returning
to
crime.
F
G
Chairman
curcio,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
always
a
pleasure
to
work
with
you
and
your
organization,
and
I
just
I
just
want
to
kind
of
echo
some
of
what
you
said,
especially
of
course,
I'm
biased,
because
I'm
carrying
it
but
house
bill
2657,
you
know
providing
that
transparency.
You
know
what,
however,
these
conversations
wind
up.
What
we
know
is
that
victims
and
offenders
both
need
to
know
what
they're
facing
you
know
whether
whether
the
sentences
change
at
all
or
they
change
completely.
G
But
but
you
know,
I
hope
in
that
bill,
we're
going
to
discuss
next.
You
know
at
least
we
can
achieve
that
transparency
so
that
victims
and
offenders
can
know
what
to
expect
and,
I
think,
manage
their
their
time
appropriately.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
today
appreciate
you
being
here.
Thank
you,
chair,
garcia,.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
want
to
echo
what
representative
curcio
said.
I
I
appreciate
the
work
that
this
organization
does
and
this
gentleman
does
and
I
and
I
want
to
be
on
record,
that
every
human
being,
the
only
hope
for
change
and
conduct,
is
a
change
in
their
heart,
and
that
only
comes
with
redemption,
and
I
appreciate
your
work
in
that
this.
This
takes
what
seems
to
be
the
highest
repeats
and
says
you're
going
to
know
what
you
get
and
so
do
the
families.
C
A
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
Committee
members,
hospital
2657,
you'll,
see
was
brought
to
me
by
speaker
sexton,
and
what
this
seeks
to
do
is
provide
transparency
in
sentencing
and
so
for
years.
We've
heard
from
our
friends
the
district
attorney
general
conference,
we've
heard
from
judges,
we've
heard
from
victims
to
say
well,
we
say
so
and
so
gets
a
15-year
sentence,
but
with
credits
with
you
know,
percentages
served
and
so
forth.
It's
really
not
the
truth,
and
so
for
years.
G
G
So
whatever
happens
with
these
other
conversations,
whether
whether
these
other
bills
pass
or
they
don't
pass,
this
bill
will
change
the
way
victims
and
offenders
are
notified
as
to
what
they
can
expect.
So,
specifically,
it
says
the
the
court.
When
the
court
imposes
a
sentence,
it
shall
place
on
the
record
either
orally
or
in
writing.
G
What
enhancing
or
mitigating
factors
were
considered
if
any
the
reasons
for
the
sentence
and
number
three-
and
I
think
this
is
most
critical
for
a
sentence
of
continuous
confinement,
the
estimated
number
of
years
and
months
the
defendant
will
serve
before
becoming
eligible
for
release.
That's
what
the
bill
does,
and
I
request
passage.
A
D
Similar
comments
on
the
other
couple
of
bills
we've
had
on
this,
I
mean
I
appreciate
you,
chairman,
appreciate
our
speaker,
highlighting
exactly
how
ridiculous
the
sentencing
structure
we
have
is
now
be
it.
This
bill,
another
bill,
whatever
we're
going
to
pass
this
year,
it's
not
accurate.
It's
not
fair
and
it's
not
honest
to
people
to
tell
them
they're
getting
a
10-year
sentence
at
30
percent
and
literally
nobody,
not
the
judge,
not
their
lawyer,
not
the
district
attorney,
not
the
prison
system
themselves.
D
Nobody
can
tell
them
when
they
get
that
sentence,
how
long
they're
going
to
serve.
At
least
this
will
tell
them
the
earliest
point
they
could
potentially
get
out,
but
it
just
doesn't
need
to
be
a
rolling
date
like
that.
So
I
mean
it.
It
brings
a
lot
of
transparency
in
so
thank
you
for
carrying
it.
Mr
chairman,.
A
Thank
you,
mr
brazier
is
on
our
list
to
testify
again.
Would
you
would
you
like
to
testify
on
this?
Yes,
sir,
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session
we're
out
of
session
we'll
hear
from
mr
brazier
and
thank.
F
You
again
reverend
andrew
brazier
with
prison
fellowship.
The
reason
why
I
want
to
testify
on
this
for
2657
is
to
thank
the
speaker
and
also
thank
the
chair
curcio
for
bringing
this,
because
it
brings
transparency
that
we
as
an
organization
value
transparency
throughout
the
criminal
justice
process,
and
so
we
commend
these
efforts
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
to
victims
and
defendants
alike
as
to
when
will
be
the
earliest
time
for
their
release.
F
Whether
or
not
it's
parole
or
sentencing
reduction
in
credits,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
victims
know
the
minimum
time
the
defendant
is
going
to
serve
before
being
eligible
for
a
release.
They
deserve
to
know
that,
and
likewise
defendants
should
be
informed
that
earliest
possible
date,
so
they
know
what
they
can
do
to
begin
preparing
for
their
eventual
release.
For
so
many
of
those
who
go
through
our
system,
regardless
of
that
release,
is
due
to
parole,
sentencing,
reduction
credits
or
work
release
program
for
that
matter.
F
So
we
encourage
the
general
assembly
to
consider
this
bill,
starting
with
your
subcommittee,
and
we
encourage
that
this
committee
and
the
entire
general
assembly
continue
by
looking
into
the
sentencing
code
to
focus
on
the
data
trends
related
to
increasing
sentencing
leads
lengths
and
time
served
in
prison
as
the
tennessee
criminal
justice
investment
task
force
recommended.
So
we
recommend
to
pass
this
transparency
bill.
We
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
questions
or
comments
for
our
guest,
saying
no
we're
going
to
go
back
into
session,
we're
back
on
the
bill
house
bill
2657.
Any
objection
to
the
question
saying
no.
We're
now
voting
to
send
house
bill
2657
on
the
full
criminal,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
as
opposed
the
ice
prevail.
You
move
on
the
full
criminal.
Thank
you.
H
Representative
beck,
thank
you,
I
know
I'm
out
of
order,
but
I
just
wanted
to
welcome
senator
from
davidson
county,
the
honorable
brenda
gilmore
for
being
with
us
this
morning,
and
I
apologize
for
being
tardy.
Mr
chairman,.
I
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
committee,
under
current
law,
a
person
convicted
of
first
degree
murder,
while
perpetrating
or
attempting
to
perpetrate
rape,
rape
of
a
child
or
aggravated
rape
of
a
child,
must
be
sentenced
to
either
death
life
in
prison
with
parole
or
imprisonment
for
life.
This
piece
of
legislation
would
remove
the
lesser
of
the
sentences
imprisonment
for
life
and
require
that
a
person
would
be
sentenced
to
either
death
or
life
in
prison
without
parole
if
they
kill
somebody
while
attempting
to
rape
them
or
committing
aggravated
rape
or
rape
of
a
child.
A
Thank
you
any
questions
for
our
sponsor,
seeing
none
any
objection
to
the
question
saying
no
we're
now
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2269
on
the
full
criminal,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
those
opposed
the
ice
prevail.
You
move
on
the
full
criminal.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chairman
members
of
committee
house,
bill
1907
by
representative
kiesling.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
house
bill
1907.
I
want
to
take
you
back.
You
may
recall,
during
governor
lee's
first
year
in
office,
he
we
we
as
a
body
unanimously
passed
the
elimination
of
the
state
expungement
fee
that
was
led
by
leader,
lambert,
and
I
appreciate
him
and
his
efforts
during
that
time.
We
recognize
that
by
removing
the
financial
barriers
that
we
can
help
first-time
offenders
to
get
their
life
back
on
track,
not
house
bill
1907
would
eliminate
the
hundred
dollar
application
fee
for
a
diversionary
program
for
first-time
offenders.
J
Anyone
who
is
a
repeat
offender
does
not
qualify
for
this
diversion
at
all
at
all,
so
the
fee
is
currently
being
assessed
to
people
who
are
literally
seeking
a
second
chance.
Mr
chairman,
I
I
can
get
into
the
the
different
types
of
diversions
I
can
get
into
who
qualifies
for
diversions
and
be
glad
to
do
that,
but
I'll
pause.
Now,
if
it's
you
grant
that
and
I'll
entertain
any
questions.
Sir.
A
Well,
thank
you
leader,
lambert.
D
D
I
I've
had
the
opportunity
that
tbi
folks
had
invited
me
to
come
over
and
tour
their
expungement
facility
and
meet
many
of
those
folks
that
do
that
work
for
years,
we've
really
not
provided
the
level
of
funding
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
process
all
of
these
expungements,
and
this
probably
will
create
a
bit
of
an
uptick,
especially
on
the
front
end
of
folks.
That
should
be
able
to
get
an
expungement,
but
that
hundred
dollars
may
be
a
barrier.
D
D
Thank
you
and
that's
not
an
amendment
I'm
proposing
today
at
this
juncture,
but
if
this
were
to
be
successful
in
this
committee,
it
is
one
that
I
would
like
to
propose
between
now
and
the
full
committee,
because
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
we've
gone
away
from
fee
based
services
with
the
tbi.
I
think
that's
good,
and
we
really
need
to
look
at
the
core
mission
that
they're
accomplishing
and
just
fund
it
appropriately.
So,
and
I
want
to
publicly
thank
the
folks
that
are
doing
this
job
every
day.
D
You
know
they're
literally
changing
lives,
I
mean
if
somebody
is
able
to
get
a
criminal
conviction,
expunged
off
their
record.
It
gives
them
a
clean
record
and
they
are
able
to
pursue
opportunities.
They
would
not
otherwise
be
eligible
for
so
it's
it's
really
good
work.
They're
doing-
and
I
want
to
thank
the
folks
at
the
tbi
for
doing
it.
Well,.
E
Representative
griffey,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
chairman
keisling
for
bringing
this
bill.
My
I
just
wanted
to
comment.
I
wish
we
would
really
kind
of
get
away
from
the
expungement
model
and
move
to
a
ceiling,
a
person's
record.
It's
the
whole
purpose
of
expunges.
It
is
so
somebody
can
get
a
charge
removed
from
their
conviction
record,
and
so
they
can
apply
for
a
job
or
whatever
or
get
a
fresh
start.
I
really
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
E
You
know
if
we
move
to
a
ceiling,
the
record
and
left
it
up
to
the
circuit,
judge
or
general
assassin's
judge
that
would
give
the
symptoms
him
or
her
some
discretion.
If
future
events
should
merit
that,
I
will
say,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
your
bill.
I
agree
with
getting
away
from
the
fee
for
services
for
the
tbi.
I
also
agree
with
leader
lambert's
comments
and
I
don't
think
we're
funding
tbi
sufficiently
for
the
mission
that
we
give
them
and
the
demands
we
place
upon
them.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
now,
representative
kiesling.
I
believe
that
I
would
be
incorrect
in
saying
that
expungements
will
be
reopened
if
there's
a
new
criminal
offense.
Is
that
that's
my
understanding?
Okay,
that
is
mine
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
got
that
clarification
representing.
K
So
what
we
used
to
have
to
do.
We
used
to
have
to
get
a
piece
of
paper,
fill
it
out,
fax
it
to
the
tbi
and
about
two
weeks
later,
we'd
get
a
paperback
says:
either
they
it's
either
they
qualify
or
they
not
for
a
diversion.
Well,
it
basically
looked
at
their
criminal
history
and
it
was
that
was
the
proof
we
needed
to
give
to
court.
K
Well,
now
you
just
go
online.
You
pay
that
hundred
dollars
there
and
about
112.
Excuse
me
112
dollars
there
and
about
20
minutes
later.
It's
back,
you
can
take
it
print
it
off
and
take
the
courthouse.
You
can
just
handle
all
that
business
in
one
day,
so,
whatever
they've
done
over
there
they're
doing
a
great
job
as
as
leader
lambreth
has
mentioned,
and
others
and
but
I'd,
be
supporting
this
legislation
and
obviously
supported
giving
us
more
help
too,
so
if
they
can
make
things
even
quicker
than
what
they
already
are
it's
great.
H
H
I
know
that
your
heart
is
to
get
people
back
to
work,
get
them
on
with
their
lives
and
to
you
and
I
100
would
not
be
a
barrier,
but
to
so
many
people
it
is
but-
and
I
also
appreciate
chairman
farmer
and
others
for
bragging
on
my
wife's
department
with
the
tbi
and
she
they
have
done
an
amazing
job,
and
I-
and
I
thank
you
very
much
for
that-
she
is
now
retired.
So
the
the
baton
has
been
passed,
but
we
do
need
to
be
very
mindful
of
the
tbi
budget.
H
We
we
put
a
lot
of
requirements
and
duties
on
them
and
they
do
not
get
the
funding,
as
as
leader
lambert
said,
and
so
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
we,
when
we,
when
we
take
this
fee
from
them,
that
we
do
something
to
give
them
the
ability
to
continue
this
great
service
that
chairman
farmer
was
referring
to
and
thank
you
again
for
bringing
this.
L
Thank
you,
chairman
justin
amen
for
chairman
farmer
and
for
representative
beck.
I
agree.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
any
other
questions
or
comments
for
our
sponsor.
Seeing
none
any
objection
to
the
question,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
sending
house
bill
1907.
Well,
I
won't
retract
that
we
had
someone
here
wanted
to
testify
on
this
to
you.
Certainly,
no
okay
strike
that
sorry,
okay,
we're
gonna
vote
now
to
send
house
bill
1907
on
the
full
criminal.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
came
from
county
mayor
and
county
commissioners
and
what
this
does
is
for
perry
county.
It
would
impose
a
blood,
alcohol
or
drug
concentration,
test
fee
of
150
and
designate
the
funds
towards
the
county
operated
ambulance
service.
I
know
that,
after
talking
with
the
chairman
and
some
of
the
members,
I
realized
that
this
approach,
this
one
off
approach,
is
not
something
that
would
be
a
feasible
move,
and
I
understand
that
and
completely
understand,
so
I'm
at
the
will
of
the
committee.
But
with
that
I'll
answer,
any
questions.
A
A
In
the
past,
we've
struggled
with
funding,
but
now
we're
we're
struggling
with
some
funding
and
we're
struggling
with
staffing,
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
help,
but
I
do
believe
it
may
be
something
in
the
future
that
we
can
look
at
as
a
statewide
concept
going
forward.
I
do
have
chairman
curcio.
That
would
like
to
make
some
comments.
Thank.
G
You,
mr
chairman,
and
and
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
for
bringing
this
this-
I
was
involved
in
a
conference
call
over
the
summer
with
with
several
folks
from
this
community
trying
to
find
ways
to
to
get
funding
unfortunate.
I
had
my
in-laws
were
aging.
Unfortunately,
they
both
passed
away
now
over
the
last
two
years,
but
I
can't
tell
you
how
critical
those
ambulance
services
were
when
they
would
have
a
fall
when
they
would
have
another.
You
know
medical
emergency
and
you
know
those
those
final
weeks
of
life.
G
We
we
exercise
those
services
quite
a
bit,
and
so
you
don't
realize
how
critical
they
are
until
until
you
need
them
and
and
and
the
work
that's
done.
There
is
invaluable
so
and
we
ask
a
lot
of
those
folks
and
and
we
don't
really
fund
them
appropriately
as
a
state,
and
I
like,
like
chairman
doggett,
I
mean
I
had
folks
calling
from
my
district
saying:
hey
can,
can
we
get
an
amendment
to
add
our
county?
G
You
know
to
this
bill
which
which,
of
course,
we
would
all
love,
but,
as
we've
been
working
through
this
and
talking
about
this,
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
actually
send
this
to
tasser
for
a
study
on
how
we
can
create
a
comprehensive
funding
plan
for
ems
for
ambulance
services,
to
make
sure
that
we
finally
once
and
for
all,
counting
the
conversation
getting
away
for
fee
for
service
at
tbi.
G
Every
one
of
us
has
been
touched
or
helped
by
one
of
these
folks,
and
so
at
this
time,
rather
than
than
taking
what
may
be
an
incremental
and
maybe
even
a
questionable
step
from
from
a
legal
standpoint,
I
would
like
to
see
a
comprehensive
study
from
tasser
so
that
this
body
can
take
action
appropriately
next
year.
So
that
would
be.
My
motion
would
be
a
tasker
study
for
the
second.
E
Representative,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
representation
for
bringing
this
bill,
and
I
agree
with
the
chairman
curcio's
comments.
I
I
too
want
to
try
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
support.
A
D
Chairman,
I
just
want
to
commend
you
and
you,
your
folks
have
asked
you
to
come
down
and
carry
a
bill,
and
you've
touched
on
something
that
you
know.
We
may
be
back
here
next
year
with
a
statewide
answer
on
an
issue
that
originated
directly
with
your
folks
back
home.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
representing
them
strongly
and
for
bringing
something
up
here
that
you
know
minus
them
coming
to
you
and
you
being
willing
to
champion
this
and
push
it
forward.
D
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
house
bill
1691
has
to
do
with
execution
protocol
in
this
state.
This
bill
came
to
me
from
our
state's
attorney
general
recently,
two
united
states
supreme
court
actions
indicated
that
the
court
frowns
upon
the
idea
of
excluding
a
spiritual,
spiritual
advisor
from
an
execution
chamber,
and
in
one
of
these
cases
the
u.s
supreme
court
actually
explained
that
spiritual
advisors
cannot
be
excluded
because
of
the
religious
land
use
and
institutionalized
persons
act,
and
that
it
provides
expansive
protection
for
prisoners,
religious
liberty.
I
So
this
legislation
specifically
would
change
the
tennessee
state
law
that
currently
says
that,
from
that
a
priest
or
minister
of
the
gospel
can
attend
the
execution
and
changes
that
replaces
that
with
a
member
of
the
clergy.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
G
You,
mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
didn't
realize
that
we
had
limited
it
to
a
a
minister
of
the
gospel
which,
of
course,
would
exclude.
You
know
a
rabbi
and
any
number
of
other.
You
know,
religions
and
you
know
so
I
think
it's
a
much
needed
change
didn't
realize
that
that's
the
way
the
code
read
and
appreciate.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
L
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
issue
was
brought
to
our
attention
by
our
district
attorney
in
washington
county
and
it's
simple
house
bill.
1922
prohibits
sexual
offenders,
violent
sexual
offenders
or
violent
juvenile
sexual
offenders
to
knowingly
rent
or
offer
to
rent
a
swimming
pool,
hot
tub
or
other
bodies
of
water
to
be
used
for
swimming
that
is
owned
by
the
offender,
and
that
is
the
bill,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
E
B
Sure,
actually,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
actually
going
on
sort
of
over
the
internet
and
online
that
they
are
advertising
to
rent
out
their
home
or
swimming
pool
for
birthday
parties
for
for
children
and
stuff,
so
that
that's
an
example
of
what's
been
going
on
in
our
district.
L
Section
one
two.
L
And
without
having
it
in
context,
it
would
probably
be
fair
to
ask
legal,
as
opposed
to
asking
the
sponsor
to
try
to
quote
code.
M
E
Thank
you,
mr
mr
chairman,
just
listening
to
legal
on
this
issue
and
talk
with
my
friend,
I
wonder:
will
we
be
smarter
if
we
prohibited
their
ability
to
rent
swimming
pool
or
any
kind
of
entertainment
devices.
E
Involving
children,
rather
than
banning
them
completely
from
renting
any
kind
of
equipment
or
hot
tubs,
or
something
like
that
would
would
be.
Would
we
be
smarter
if
we
targeted
it
as
it
related
to
children,
and
I
don't
have
problem
passing
it
now.
We
can
discuss
that,
maybe
before
we
go
to
full
or
something
I
just
throw
that
out
there
for
consideration.
D
In
the
midst
of
what
is
an
extraordinarily
serious
bill
since
representative
griffey
has
spoken
several
times
today,
I
did
want
to
highlight
at
this
juncture
that
it
is
his
birthday
today.
So
if
you
wish
to
wish
him
a
happy
birthday
at
some
juncture,
he
has
had
another
one.
So
this
is
his
birthday
today.
A
Happy
birthday,
I
do
have
a
question
for
the
sponsor.
If
anyone
else
does
not
just
for
clarification
of
what
your
intent
is.
This
is
referring
to
a
registered
sex
offender
who
owns
a
swimming
pool,
a
hot
tub,
a
body
of
water
that
they
are
renting
out
to
others
to
come
and
use
it's
not
them
actually
going
out
and
renting
a
a
hot
tub
or
a
swimming
pool.
A
They
are
in
creating
a
contractual
agreement
with
another
party
to
in
return
of
money
or
services,
goods
whatever
to
provide
this
opportunity
for
a
hot
tub,
swimming
pool
body
of
water
for
someone
else
to
come
in
and
utilize.
That
is
that
correct.
Or
did
I
confuse
you
with
that?
You
are
very
correct.
Okay,
mr
chairman,
all
right,
thank
you
very
much.
That's
what
I
thought
just
want
to
make
sure
any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor.
A
A
N
When
I
look
at
I'll
draw
your
attention
to
3914
203-
and
there
is
a
it-
is
unlawful
for
any
person
to
own
possess,
keep
used,
train
any
bull,
bear
dog,
swine
or
other
animal
for
the
purpose
of
fighting,
baiting
or
injuring
another
animal
for
amusement
sport
or
gain.
The
code
goes
on
to
subsequently
list
prohibitions
on
possession
of
paraphernalia
et
cetera.
I
know
that
our
mr
chairman
russell
had
co-sponsored
some
info
our
legislation
just
recently
what
this
bill
does.
It
removes
the
exemption
that's
in
code,
except
for
any
offense
involving
a
that.
N
All
of
these
other
offenses
are
felonies.
This
will
move
cockfighting
the
any
paraphernalia
et
cetera
into
that
same
class
of
treatment
and
right
now
we're
when
you
look
at
what
how
tennessee
treats
this
particular
violation.
N
There
are
states
like
florida
and
texas
that
we
compare
ourselves
to
for
economic
development,
for
education
for
other
things,
where
we
benchmark
in
those
two
states.
This
is
a
felonious
activity
and
in
tennessee,
where
we
we
export
the
high
six
highest
number
amount
of
birds
for
the
purpose
of
cockfighting,
and
so
for
that.
N
I
know
that
we
want
to
be
renowned
for
good
things
in
tennessee
and
I
think
that
we
want
our
animal
cruelty
laws
to
reflect
the
best
of
our
the
the
angels
of
our
better
nature
and
so
I'll
just
stand
ready
to
answer
questions
rather
than
stand
up
here,
doing
a
sales
sales
job
so,
but
but
look
forward
to
taking
any
questions
from
the
committee.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
is
the
what's
the
federal
law
on
this
fighting
and
and
exporting
and
selling,
and
all
this
kind
of
good
stuff?
Well,.
N
Back,
I'm
sorry.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Back
in
the
early
90s
there
was
the
animal
welfare
act
was
passed
federally
and
then
under
george
w
bush,
a
a
an
animal
fighting
prohibition,
enforcement
act
was
passed
and
it
made
even
the
the
the
movement
of
animals
for
the
purpose
of
any
animal
sporting
venture
for
the
purpose
of
cockfighting
dog
fighting
any
other
type
of
fighting.
So
it
was,
it
is
a
a
felony,
but
in
our
specific
code
here
in
tennessee
we
treat
it
as
a
class,
a
misdemeanor.
H
So
you're,
just
looking
for
parity
with
the
federal
law
or
to
or
would
this
be,
the
same
penalty
under
federal
laws
is
what
you're
proposing
here
in
your
bill.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this
legislation.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
we
do
this
right.
Currently,
it's
my
understanding.
If
you're
fighting
dogs,
you
could
face
a
e-felony
for
that,
but
if
you've
got
fighting
and
you've,
that's
the
reason
you're
doing
to
fight
him,
you
could
get
by
with
an
a
misdemeanor.
Is
that
your
understanding
as
well.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
that
is
correct
and
and
further
it
is
also
a
federal
crime
to
you
know,
possess
these
animals
knowingly
for
the
purpose
of
breeding
them
transporting
them
and
and
and
knowing
that
they're
going
to
be
engaged,
and
I
would
like
to
make
it
just
to
read
into
the
record.
I
know
that
we
have
an
agricultural
state,
there
are
a
lot
of
farmers,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
poultry
business
and
you
are
operating
legally
with
with
all
intent
of
doing
your
poultry
business,
this
should
not
worry
anyone.
N
But
indeed
this
is
for
those
who
are
knowingly
involved
in
breeding
and
moving
animals
about
for
the
purpose
of
cockfighting.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
again
look
I.
I
would
just
encourage
everyone.
Look
we've
got
mixed.
Martial
arts
we've
got
all
kinds
of
sports
gambling
and
and
anything
like
that
where
humans
can
engage
in
whatever
just
about
whatever
behavior
they
want
against
each
other
for
combat
for
sporting
purposes.
E
I
I
don't
see
why
we
should
have
to
subject
innocent
animals
to
this
kind
of
brutality,
so
it
just
kind
of
shocks
my
conscience
so
anyway.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
A
K
You,
mr
chairman,
and
to
the
sponsor
I
know
I
had
indicated
to
you
that
I
was
going
to
be
a
no
on
this
bill
and
and
as
thinking
about
it,
I
thought
about
calling
the
question
and
putting
it
to
a
vote,
but
I'd
like
to
know
a
little
more.
Let
me
tell
you:
let
me
tell
you
why
I've
been
practicing
law
for
about
14
years
now
and
the
first
year
I
was
elected
here,
which
is
10
years
ago.
K
We
made
this
a
misdemeanor
and
not
one
time
have
I
seen
any
of
the
courses
I
practice
in
east
tennessee,
which
is
a
lot
I
practice
anywhere
from
davidson
county.
All
the
way
up
to
mountain
city
down
to
chattanooga
represent
a
lot
of
folks.
Who've
made
some
bad
decisions.
Try
to
help
them
through
that,
in
not
one
case.
Have
I
ever
seen
a
district
attorney
bring
a
charge
of
even
a
misdemeanor.
K
I
don't
think
it's
an
issue
where
I
live
in
east
tennessee
and
it's
all
those
counties
it
may
be
somewhere
else
in
the
state.
If
it
is,
I
haven't
heard
about
it
and
I
just
feel
like
I
just
don't
think.
There's
a
need
for
this,
but
in
order
to
to
be
clear
and
understand
this
better,
we'll
send
it
to
summer
study,
I
want
to
make
a
motion
to
send
it
to
summer
study.
K
A
B
B
A
A
Thank
you
house,
bill.
1911
will
go
to
summer
study.
A
P
Over
the
past
week,
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
consult
in
more
detail
with
legal
with
members
of
the
leadership
of
the
committee
and
of
the
house,
and
what
we
tried
to
do
was
to
come
up
with
policy
that
is
constitutional
and
prayerfully.
We've
come
up
with
that
solution.
P
P
Statistics
bear
out
that
we
have
a
problem
in
the
area
of
domestic
violence
using
2020
calculations.
P
P
P
Reasoning
for
that.
Some
of
the
reasoning
for
that
is
to
afford
that
person,
who
is
the
perpetrator,
an
opportunity
to
cool
off
or
come
to
a
better
state
of
mind
than
they
were
originally.
Additionally.
If
there
is
a
person
the
the
victim
needs
to,
I
guess
I'll
use
that
term
gather
their
thoughts
their
minds
and
see
the
necessity
of
going
to
an
emergency
shelter
or
something
that
nature
24
hours
would
afford
more,
so
the
opportunity
for
them
to
do
that.
H
Representative
keem,
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this.
I
know
your
heart
is,
you
know,
to
help
families
and
to
help
victims,
and
you
know
this
is.
This-
is
a
very
good
step
in
in
going
in
that
direction,
because
we
know
you
talk
to
police
officers
and
they'll.
Tell
you
that
domestic
warrants
and
going
to
domestic
violence
calls
are
the
most
one
of
the
most
dangerous
things.
It's
the
most
heated
interaction
that
there
is,
and
I
just
really
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill
and
trying
to
help
help
victims
help
families.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
up
the
bill.
I've
done.
I've
handled
a
number
of
domestic
violence
cases
both
as
prosecuting
attorney
and
as
a
defense
attorney.
My
question
is,
you
know,
there's
there's
so
many
situations
that
come
up
with
these
domestic
violent
cases.
E
E
Are
there
any
exceptions
for
the
judge
to
allow
somebody
to
go,
get
their
their
things,
or
so
they
can
at
least
function
in
life
because
they
may
be
in
a
location
where
they
they
don't
have
any
friends
or
family
to
rely
on.
The
only
person
that
may
be
able
to
rely
on
is
a
bail,
bondsman
or
you
know,
maybe
they're,
even
out
ror.
So
what
do
we
do
in
that
situation?
The
judge's
hands
could
be
tied.
E
P
The
best
answer
I
could
give
you
at
this
time
is
that
actions
that
are
taken
by
the
I'm
gonna
I
should
have
a
better
term
than
perpetrator,
is
that
at
the
discretion
of
the
judge
or
the
the
ministry
or
the
court
that
I
I
believe
would
be
one
of
those
things
that
they
would
have
to
determine
on
that.
E
E
What
do
we
do
in
that
situation
and
look?
I,
I
don't
necessarily
oppose
the
your
thought
on
this
bill,
but
the
current
law
already
says
that
the
judge
in
order
and
release
shall
order
one
or
more
of
the
following
and
that's
enjoying
the
defendant
from
threatening
or
attempting
to
communicate
with
the
alleged
victim
ordering
the
defendant
from
prohibiting
communications
or
the
defendant
to
vacate
or
stay
away
from
the
home
of
the
alleged
victim
or
stay
away
from
a
location
where
the
victim
may
be.
E
The
judge
already
has
all
these
opportunities
to
to
impose
this
if
they
want
to,
and
in
my
experience
most
of
the
time,
that's
what
already
occurs
if
the
victim
is
truly
concerned
about
the
defendant
being
near
them
and
continuing
to
pose
a
threat,
but
also
there's
a
number
of
cases
where
sometimes
domestic
violence-
and
you
know
the
heated
arguments
between
couples
can
be
used
as
a
weapon
against
somebody
to
manipulate
the
situation.
There's
those
situations
that
occur
too
in
life.
So
I
don't
know
what
your
bill
may
unnecessarily:
impose
additional
restrictions.
P
Representative,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
would
only
say
this
deals
with
aggravated
assault
and
we're
talking
about
hands
being
put
on
another
person
or
the
threat
of
bodily
harm
and
again.
P
I
wanted
to
ask
you
situations
like
that:
how
have
they
been
handled
and
what
we're
talking
about
is
that
the
aggravated
assault
is
the
only
instance
that
we
identified
for
that
additional
12
hours.
Thank
you,
sir.
E
A
E
L
Domestic
violence
is
one
of
the
is
so
prevalent,
and
yet
under
reported
underprosecuted
that,
if
I
have
to
air,
I
want
to
err
on
the
side
of
the
victim
or
alleged
victim,
and
if
it
causes
some
inconvenience
to
the
alleged
perpetrator
or
the
perpetrator,
then
so
be
it.
L
Justice
isn't
perfect.
We
try
to
get
there,
but
it's
not
perfect,
it's
always
inconvenient
and
sometimes
a
discomfort
to
one
of
both
parties.
But
I
appreciate
you
working
with
everyone
who
wanted
to
work
with
you
on
the
bill,
and
I
thank
you
for
the
the
way
you've
been
able
to
amend
it
to
address
everyone's
concerns.
M
Michelle
fogerty
legal
services,
it
applies
to
a
person
arrested
for
the
offense
of
aggravated
assault
in
which
the
alleged
victim
is
a
domestic
victim.
Under
363601,
we
don't
have
an
actual
offense
in
code
called
aggravated
domestic
assault.
We
have
aggravated
assault,
and
this
applies
if
the
victim
meets
the
definition
of
a
domestic
assault,
domestic
assault
victim.
A
Any
other
questions
for
legal
while
we're
out
of
session,
see
now
we're
going
back
in
session.
We're
back
on
the
amendment.
Any
objection
to
the
question
on
the
amendment.
Seeing
now
we're
voting
to
add
amendment
code,
one
three,
three:
seven,
six
on
the
house
bill,
14
59,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
those
opposed
the
eyes
prevail.
We
adopt
we're
back
on
house
bill,
1459.
A
As
amended,
any
questions
for
our
sponsor
or
comments
on
the
bill
see
none.
I
will
make
one
brief
comment.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
this.
We've
collaborated
on
this
for
many
weeks
now,
someone
myself
that
sees
the
need
for
making
sure
that
we're
perfect
protecting
victims,
especially
of
domestic
violence.
You
give
some
statistics
earlier
about
how
our
state
ranks,
amongst
others,
one
of
the
counties
in
close
proximity
to
where
I
live,
was
ranked
number
one
in
the
nation
for
domestic
violence
murders.
A
One
of
the
colleagues
here
on
this
diocese
had
carried
legislation
a
few
years
ago
to
create
the
12-hour
hold
to
put
it
in
statute
by
allowing
magistrates
to
possibly
extend
that
up
to
24
hours,
I
think,
is
a
good
is
a
good
help,
because
you're
going
to
have
some
victims
at
times
when
and
this
instance
occurs
at
night
under
a
12-hour
hold
at
nine
o'clock
at
night.
The
offender
gets
out
of
jail
at
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
they
may
go
find
them
at
work
and
do
more.
They
may
go
back
to
their
home.
A
A
Sometimes
it
may
be
very
difficult
at
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
to
get
in
touch
with
someone
in
the
shelter,
especially
if
you
don't
have
a
means
to
get
there
for
them
to
be
able
to
to
provide
that
safety
for
you
and
so
by
being
able
to
extend
it
up
to
24
hours.
I
think
that
is
a
very
fair
and
adequate
time
that
could
help
a
victim
seek
refuge,
and
so
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
any
other
questions
or
comments
for
the
sponsor.
A
O
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
going
to
read
the
amendment.
Is
this
the
bill
because
it
makes
the
bill?
I
don't
know
what
you
were
doing
on
christmas,
but
artemis
rayford
was
one
of
those
children
to
join
a
new
game.
On
christmas
day
he
was
settling
in
an
evening
of
fun
and
a
bullet
rip
through
his
home.
The
bullet
struck
artemis
and
his
mother
immediately
rushed
to
him
and
held
him
close
to
her
body
moments.
After
being
shot,
artemis
was
12
years
old
and
he
has
died.
O
It
is
truly
heart-wrenching
that
the
story
of
artemis,
murder
is
common
in
our
community
and,
while
memphis
in
particular
gets
a
bad
rap
for
struggling
with
gun
violence.
These
issues
are
prevalent
across
the
state
and
according
to
research,
tennessee
has
the
14th
highest
rate
of
gun.
Violence
in
the
united
states
guns
are
the
leading
cause
of
death
among
children
and
teens.
In
tennessee
every
year
an
average
of
117
children
and
teens
in
tennessee
die
by
guns.
73
73
of
those
deaths
are
homicides.
O
Every
year
an
average
of
519
people
in
tennessee
die
by
gun.
Homicides
and
829
are
wounded
by
gun
assaults
in
tennessee.
82
percent
of
all
homicides
involve
a
gun
compared
to
76
percent
nationwide,
and
over
the
last
year
we
experienced
so
much
gun
violence
in
our
community
from
the
death
of
rappers
to
the
shooting
death
of
a
mother,
her
newborn
baby
thrown
in
a
river
just
two
weeks
ago
in
memphis
and
a
14
year
old,
just
shot
in
the
neck
last
week
here
in
nashville.
O
That
is
why
I
am
pushing
house
bill
1830
the
gun,
violence
prevention
bill.
This
bill
is
to
encourage
a
multi-agency
approach
to
proactively
reduce
gun
violence
in
our
community,
because
it
is
a
public
health
crisis
and
I've
been
able
to
write
this
bill
where
there
is
not
one
fiscal
note,
so
it
costs
the
state
nothing
in
order
to
take
proactive
preventative
measures
to
reduce
gun
violence
and
I've
worked
with
law
enforcement
to
make
sure
we
got
this
bill
right
because,
quite
frankly,
law
enforcement
is
overwhelmed
and
they
can't
attack
this
problem
alone.
O
They
need
others
to
join
into
the
fight
to
reduce
gun
violence.
Hospitals
are
already
at
capacities,
youth
intervention,
conflict
resolution,
training
is
pivotal
to
stop
youth
violence
and
is
constant
and
is
not
costing
us
a
thing.
So
what
this
amendment
does
is
one
allow
the
department
of
health
to
submit
to
the
legislature
and
municipalities
and
counties
in
this
state
an
annual
report
on
public
health
impacts
of
gun
violence
in
local
communities.
The
report
must
include
deaths,
disabilities,
mental
illnesses
and
the
economic
hardships
is
costing
us
dealing
with
this
gun
violence
issue.
O
O
If
we
catch
them,
while
they're
young,
we
can
change
the
trajectory
of
their
lives,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
bring
in
the
department
of
labor
and
workforce
and
allow
them
to
create
a
youth
employment
program
to
allow
our
youth
to
get
off
the
streets
to
stop
getting
in
trouble
and
make
some
money
for
themselves,
so
they
won't
turn
to
crime.
It
also
allows
the
department
of
health
to
encourage
hospital-based
violence,
intervention
programs
because
often
times
the
hospitals
are
the
first
to
interact
with
victims
of
gun
crime.
O
We
also
want
to
ensure
we
are
encouraging
a
gun
safety
program
in
hospitals
so
that
primary
care
facilities
are
able
to
intervene
when
necessary
and
provide
recommendations
on
ways
to
keep
yourself
safe
from
gun,
violence
and
finally,
allow,
if
necessary,
the
department
of
education
develop
a
program
for
children
to
teach
them
conflict
resolution
skills,
so
they
won't
get
in
trouble.
They
learn
how
to
use
their
words.
A
Thank
you
any
questions
for
our
sponsor
on
the
amendment
chairman
curcio.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this.
I
know
it's
it's
an
incredible
problem
that
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
tackle
at
all
levels.
My
my
wife
was
asked
to
serve
on
the
drivers
of
crime
task
force
for
the
governor
on
the
criminal
justice
reform
task
force,
because
she's,
an
elementary
teacher
and-
and
you
know,
younger
and
younger,
we
can
identify
these
kids,
who
are
are
struggling
greatly.
G
A
lot
of
it
is,
you
know,
poor
decisions
on
their
part,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
witnessing
their
parents
and
the
adults
in
their
lives,
continuing
to
make
poor
decisions,
and
we've
created
multiple
generations
of
folks
who
don't
know
how
to
deal
with
their
problems
any
other
way
than
through
violence.
So
I
definitely
commend
you
on
that.
I
do
have
one
question:
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
your
legislation.
G
I
just
I
I
like
you
when
we
have
these
studies,
I
like
to
see
tangible
results.
You
know
I
want
to
know.
Okay
problem
action,
result
kind
of
thing,
so
I
just
want
to
ask
a
clarifying
question.
In
section
one
under
40,
under
4,
36
101,
you
say
I
think
it's
the
last
sentence
so
additionally,
the
report
must
provide
the
public
and
policy
with
research-based
information
from
which
to
make
informed
decisions
on
how
best
to
protect
tennesseans
from
gun
violence.
G
O
Just
the
data
themselves
and
we
have
the
autonomy
to
make
decisions
based
on
the
data
that
is,
that
is
produced
by
the
department
of
health,
okay,.
D
Consistent
and
really
followed
up
on
that
question
and
your
amendment
and
virtually
everything
you
said
I
agree
with,
I
mean
very
good
presentation,
and
I
appreciate
the
tenor
of
where
this
is
headed,
to
try
to
just
get
additional
information
to
be
able
to
combat
this
massive
issue.
You've
heard
me
reference
several
times,
specifically
memphis
in
your
in
in
that
area
in
the
metropolitan
area.
It's
346
murders.
I
think,
last
year,
342.
D
And
so
way
way
way
too
many
people
that
have
been
killed
by
violence,
not
just
gun
violence,
but
violence
of
all
types
in
the.
Whereas
at
the
beginning
of
this
it
says
it
is
the
intent
of
the
general
assembly
through
this
act,
to
strengthen
public
health
data
and
I'm
performing
I'm
just
reading
the
first
parts
of
these
improve
access
to
bench
and
treatment,
recovery,
support
services,
all
good,
reduce
the
availability
and
distribution
of
firearms.
D
Now
that
point,
I'm
hoping
that
has
been
somehow
misdrafted
that
it
wasn't
your
intent
to
say
that
we
should
reduce
the
availability
distribution
of
legal
firearms
to
law-abiding
citizens.
I
mean
law-abiding
citizens
have
a
right
to
bear
arms
in
this
country.
It's
enshrined
in
the
second
amendment.
It's
an
individual
right,
just
a
blanket
statement
in
here
to
say
you
would
like
to
reduce
the
available
distribution
of
firearms.
I
I
don't
think
that's
your
intention.
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you,
though,
if
if
that
is.
O
Absolutely
so
that's
not
my
intention
to
take
away
anybody's
legal
rights
on
firearms
in
the
in
the
reference
to
youth.
You
know
they
are
not
legally
able
to
have
firearms
under
18
years
old,
so
it
is
the
goal
to
make
sure
youth
aren't
getting
ahold
of
firearms
and
using
them
inappropriately,
and
so
no,
the
statement
I
want
to
make
it
very
clear
is
not
to
reduce
anybody's
opportunity
who
can
legally
own
a
firearm
who
can
possess
a
firearm.
D
So,
and
that's
only
specifically
for
that
particular
aspect
of
the
amendment,
because
again
I
didn't
think
that
was
your
intention
to
try
to
indicate
either
your
desire
or
the
legislature's
desire
to
restrict
someone's,
lawful
ability
to
be
able
to
obtain,
and
you
know
be
trained
properly
own
a
weapon.
I
mean
for
their
own
protection
or
just
enjoyment
and
to
use
that
weapon
properly
and
legally.
D
I
would
recommend
rewording
a
bit
of
this.
Some
specifically
you
may
want
to.
If
I
may
make
a
suggestion
reduce
the
illegal
distribution
of
firearms
or
something
along
those
lines.
I
mean
make
it
clear,
you're
going
after
those
criminals
that
are
misusing
a
very
powerful
tool
that
can
be
used
in
the
wrong
way
to
horrible
horrible
ends,
but
in
the
right
hands
say
the
hands
of
a
police
officer
or
well-trained
citizen
can
save
lives,
and
so
it's
just
the
wording
of
that.
D
A
A
O
Is
it
possible
to
do
a
voice
amendment?
I
have
three
guests
here
to
testify
on
this
piece
of
legislation.
I
would
hate
for
them
to
be
turned
away.
Are.
Am
I
able
to
make
a
voice
amendment
to
this
to
change
that
one
line
here,
because
it's
just
a
wording,
change
not
in
the
whole
intent
of
the
bill
is
changing
anything.
D
Mr
chairman,
would
it
be
possible
to
hear
the
witnesses
this
week
and
then
take
up
my
motion
at
that
time
so
that
they
can
be
heard
and
then
any
changes?
I
know
the
chairman
and
staff
do
not
like
verbal
amendments.
I
suggested
that
on
a
bill
earlier
and
was
turned
down,
so
I
know
they
prefer
not
to
have
oral
amendments
on
bills.
But,
mr
chairman,
I
do
not
wish
to
push
forth
my
emotion
at
this
time
if
their
witnesses
own
this,
I
would
not
want
to
preclude
them
from
being
able
to
testify.
A
D
A
We
have
dr
paul
juarez
he's
here.
You
can
come
forward.
You
can
sit
at
this
table
right
here.
If
you,
like,
representative
lamar,
will
help
you
get
set
up
there
with
your
sound,
introduce
yourself
who
you're
with
and
you'll,
have
four
minutes
for
comments.
Great.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee
for
this
opportunity
to
provide
testimony
in
support
of
hb
1830,
I'm
dr
paul
juarez,
I'm
professor
and
vice
chair
for
research
in
the
department
of
family
and
community
medicine
at
meharry,
medical
college
and
I've
worked
in
the
area
of
youth
violence
prevention
for
over
30
years.
I
started
in
los
angeles
at
a
time
where
we
were
experiencing
a
huge
wave
of
violence,
particularly
firearm
violence,
and
we
were
seeing
over
1500
homicides
per
year
that
got
me.
Q
It
really
involved
in
this,
because
I
work
with
the
trauma
center
and
again
just
news.
We
had
to
do
something
about
this,
so
as
part
of
that
we
established
a
coalition,
we
called
it
the
the
violence,
prevention
coalition
of
greater
los
angeles
and
we
had
over.
We
had
and
it
eventually
actually
got
incorporated
into
the
department
of
public
health
of
the
county
as
a
unit
since
coming
to
nashville
about
20
years
ago.
One
of
the
things
again
I
this
was
has
been
a
passion
of
mine
and
we
worked
to
create
a.
Q
It
was
a
coalition
to
to
promote
youth
safety
and,
through
that,
we
brought
together
academic
over
a
hundred
academic
and
community
partners
to
address
this
issue.
During
that
time,
the
the
rate
of
violence
actually
decreased
each
of
the
five
years
that
the
grant
was
funded
and
subsequent
to
that,
the
the
violence
rates
just
exploded.
The
youth
violence
rates
went
up
very
high.
Q
This
bill
would
build
on
and
codify
some
of
the
results
that
we
achieved
during
that
it
would
create
a
public
health
approach
with
a
focus
on
prevention.
We
work
closely
with
law
enforcement
as
one
of
the
partners
we
work
with
the
schools.
We
work
with
mental
health.
We
work
with
social
service,
child
service,
children,
services
a
lot
and
then
community
partners,
and
we
engage
youth
in
the
discussion
of
what
needed
to
be
done,
and
so
I
think
that
again
what
this
bill
does.
Q
It
really
creates
an
environment
that
supports
a
prevention
approach,
a
public
health
and
prevention
approach,
rather
than
a
law
enforcement.
Criminal
justice
response.
Q
Advantages
of
a
public
health
approach
include
again
create
shifting
the
focus
from
law
enforcement
and
criminal
justice
to
one
that
includes
the
public
health.
It
also
creates
new
partnerships
between
public
agencies
and
non-profit
organizations
to
address
this,
the
problem
of
youth
violence
again
with
very
complex
causes.
You
need
to
have
multiple
agencies
and
people
working
together
again.
Q
The
median
cost
of
a
hospitalization
due
to
firearm
injury
is
about
20
thousand
dollars,
that's
just
for
one
person
and
if
it,
if
it
results
in
more
complex
medical
issues
or
rehabilitation,
you
can
easily
for
one
person
get
into
over
well
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Q
So
again,
the
issue
of
preventing
youth
violence
and
firearm
injury
in
particular
is
something
that
I
I
think
again
is
is
extremely
important
and
so,
in
conclusion,
I
urge
you
to
pass
hb
1830,
which,
as
a
state-based
solution
to
preventing
youth
violence
and
I'm
available
to
answer
questions
at
this
time
or
later.
R
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
your
approach
toward
corrective
measures
on
violence,
and
my
question
is
probably
two
or
threefold:
in
researching
and
gathering
the
data
that
that
you
have
gathered
to
determine
what
causes
these
problems.
R
Q
Certainly
it's
a
part
of
those
who
again
get
caught
up
in
a
cycle
of
violence.
Oftentimes
again
it's
it's
young
people,
particularly
males
that
don't
have
sort
of
the
father
figure
in
the
household.
What.
R
Is
there
any
part
of
the
of
your
program
that
focused
on
the
family
and
the
family
unit.
Q
Absolutely
again,
working
with
a
lot
of
the
community
partners
here
in
in
nashville,
we
had
the
oasis
center,
which
is
a
youth-based
organization.
We
work
with
some
of
the
again
other
the
mental
health
service
providers.
We
certainly
work
closely
with
the
schools
to
to
identify,
so
everybody
was
working
together
with
the
young
person
to
address
the
issues
that
that
arose.
Q
So
again,
the
the
the
one
of
the
problems
with
just
having
a
law
enforcement
response
is
that
it
doesn't
address
a
lot
of
those
other
factors
and
this
way
we're
able
to
pull
together
teams
of
professionals
from
various
disciplines
who
can
can
work
together
to
address
some
of
those
issues.
R
When
a
child
is
conceived,
I
think
the
responsibility
should
be
on
the
father
and
the
mother,
the
biological,
father
and
mother
that
had
that,
and
I
think
that
we've
taken
our
attention
off
of
the
responsibility
of
the
parents
and
put
try
to
put
more
of
the
responsibility
on
the
community
or
the
school
system,
or
things
like
that
and
focusing
on
violence
itself
is
one
thing,
but
I
think
the
attention
that
is
being
drawn
to
the
violence-
and
I
hear
this
over
and
over-
that
it's
gun
violence
guns-
do
not
cause
the
problems.
R
I
think
that
those
perpetrators
that
are
not
fulfilling
their
responsibility
as
a
parent,
they
should
be
prosecuted
and
they
should
be
put
in
jail
if
they're
not
going
to
fulfill
their
obligation
of
having
a
child
and
bringing
a
child
into
the
world.
It's
not
the
community's
responsibility,
in
my
opinion,
to
raise
a
child.
Now,
if
you've
got
orphans,
I
think
we
have
a
responsibility.
R
We
have
children's
homes
and
all
kinds
of
pro
programs
to
take
care
of
people
that
don't
have
anywhere
else
to
go,
but
I
think
it's
quite
too
often
that
we
let
the
the
fathers
and
and
the
parents
there
there's
no
criminality
involved
in
having
the
children
and
then
just
walking
off
and
and
leaving
it,
and
I
think
that's
where
that
we
should
put
the
responsibility
and
the
gun
is
not
the
perpetrator.
R
Q
Quick,
can
I
just
respond
quickly,
the
issue
of
parent
responsibility.
I
think
we
all
certainly
agree
with
that.
Q
R
Q
Again,
that's
the
ideal,
I
think.
Certainly
I
would
agree
with
that,
but
I
think
that
the
again
the
opportunities
that
are
available
to
youth
in
in
many
low-income
areas
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
schools,
the
level
of
violence
that
is
in
their
neighborhoods,
really
creates
barriers
for
them
and
and
their
families
to
to
navigate.
You
know,
violence
oftentimes.
So
it's
it's
not
an
easy.
You
know
it's
there's,
no
easy
solutions
here,
but
it's
gonna.
It's
really
going
to
take
the
collaboration.
R
We
create
a
problem
that
is
not
a
problem.
If
we
do
it
the
correct
way,
and
the
correct
way
is
through
that
family
unit.
Does
your
programs
or
any
anything
that
you're
anything
that
you're
presently
doing?
Does
it
teach
or
foster
that
the
best
way
to
have
a
child
raised
correctly
is
in
a
two-parent
home?
Do
you
do
that?
Do
you
teach
that
that's
not.
Q
Part
of
this
bill,
but
it
is
something
that
I
think
you
know
it
was
subsequent
bill
could
be
introduced
and
I've
been
sort
of
told.
I
need
to
say
thank
you
and
wind
it
up.
A
Thank
you,
representative
griffey
would
like
to
ask
you
a
question
before
you
leave.
E
E
I
want
to
agree
with
my
fellow
representatives
sentiments
that
perhaps
the
simplest
answer
and
the
issue
we
should
all
be
trying
to
address
and
emphasize
and
support,
is
to
bring
our
families
together,
where
we
don't
have
single-parent
families
and
that's
not
always
possible
and
where
we
don't.
I
can't
think
of
a
better
organization
to
try
to
address
the
the
demands
and
difficulties
that
single
moms
and
single
dads
have
would
be
the
church
to
try
to
help
raise
the
children
while
they're
off
working.
Some
people
may
not
have
family
members
or
whatever.
E
But
to
me
this
is
almost
a
local
community
issue
that
we
could
bring
people
together
and
the
number
of
persons
killed
in
memphis
this
past
year
and
represent.
I
want
to
commend
you
for
bringing
this
legislation.
You
know
I
love
you
and
you're
a
great
representative.
E
E
Assaults
on
other
gang
members
as
part
of
the
drug
trade
and
innocent
people
are
getting
killed
in
the
crossfire,
and
we
need
to
address
that,
and
so
I
commend
your
efforts,
but
I
I
I
think
we
would
be
smart
if
we
would
try
to
invest
and
engage
and
get
our
families
together
and
support
them
and
support
the
family
unit.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
wire,
dr
juarez
thank.
A
S
S
A
few
years
later,
a
close
family
friend
was
shot
in
the
head
in
the
unitarian
church
shooting
in
knoxville.
Thankfully,
she
survived
in
my
nine
years
of
volunteer
work
on
gun,
violence,
prevention.
I've
come
to
know
many
survivors.
Our
state
is
filling
up
with
gun.
Survivors
like
me,
I'm
here
to
speak
in
favor
of
1830,
because
it
addresses
our
gun
violence
epidemic
as
a
public
health
emergency.
S
In
an
average
year,
1
273
tennesseans
die
in
shootings
and
2
220
more
are
wounded.
We
have
the
14th
highest
rate
of
gun
violence
in
the
country.
This
is
the
worst
of
it.
To
me,
guns
are
the
leading
cause
of
death
among
children
and
teens
in
this
state.
I
never
thought
I
would
live
to
see
that
be
the
truth,
but
it
is,
and
it's
shameful
and
in
our
state
an
average
of
117
children
and
teens
die
by
guns.
Every
year.
S
It
would
require
the
department
of
health
to
create
an
annual
report
about
the
public
health
impacts
of
gun,
violence,
deaths,
injuries,
mental
health
consequences
and
the
economic
costs.
It
would
include
research-based
information
to
help
us
make
informed
decisions
about
how
to
protect
tennesseans
from
gun
violence.
S
Patients
hospitalized
for
firearm
injuries
are
30
times
more
likely
to
be
hospitalized
again
and
seven
times
more
likely
to
die
of
a
firearm
injury.
Within
five
years.
Hospital-Based
programs
have
been
shown
to
reduce
retaliatory
shootings
and
recidivism
by
providing
intensive,
wraparound
and
follow-up
services,
including
to
the
family,
to
people
in
the
middle
of
a
conflict.
S
Anyone
who's
spent
time
down
here
with
this
body
knows
that
you
like
to
move
slowly,
I'm
at
a
snail's
pace.
I
don't
mean
that
in
any
offensive
way,
but
we're
all
used
to
the
baby
step
approach
to
change,
and
I
get
that
in
ordinary
times,
but
this
is
not
ordinary
times.
Our
gun.
Violence
epidemic
is
extraordinary
and
big,
and
it's
getting
worse.
People
all
over
our
state,
not
just
in
the
cities,
are
dying
in
shootings
for
each
of
them.
There
are
many
others,
family
members,
neighbors
close
friends
and
co-workers
affected
and
heart
wounded.
S
A
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
good
morning,
ma'am.
Thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
and
your
your
organization
work,
the
child
do
the
ability
to
address
the
gun,
violence,
epidemic
and
it
is
such
is
hampered
by
the
lack
of
good
data.
Your
organization
seems
to
be
adept
at
pulling
together
some
of
those
numbers.
So
the
are
you
supporting
the
bill
because
you
know
that
having
all
of
these
agencies
engaged
would
give
us
a
better
grip
of
what
the
actual
problem
is.
So
we
could
build
data
driven
solutions.
S
S
L
Yes,
ma'am
and
the
problems
are
complicated,
they're,
complex
or
they're
so
intertwined.
When
you
look
at
the
different
agencies
and
commissions
and
boards
that
have
been
trying
to
address
it,
the
one
thing
they
haven't
had
is
effective
communications
and
cooperation
between
these
agencies
and
boards,
and
that's
what
science?
That's?
What
medicine
does
it
brings
all
the
specialists
together,
so
they
can
get
their
thoughts,
organized,
get
the
data,
the
research
organized
and
then
attack
the
disease,
the
problem,
the
illness
in
an
organized
fashion
that
can
cure
the
problem.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
support.
R
R
S
R
And
those
are
already
illegal
felons,
it's
already
illegal
for
a
felon
to
own
a
gun
correct.
So
it
seems
to
me
the
problem
is
not
gun
violence.
It's
the
person
that
I've
never
known
of
a
gun,
shooting
someone
it's.
It
takes
a
person
to
pull
the
trigger
to
kill
someone
and
that's
where
the
murder
is
occurred
by
another
human
being
and
not
an
instrument,
it's
the
human
being.
R
That
needs
to
be
worked
on
and
we
need
to
identify
the
problem,
and
you
know
most
of
these
killings
in
these
larger
cities
are
youth,
owned,
youth,
killing
drug
violence
and
those
things
it's.
R
But
when
you
preface
what
you're
saying
by
gun
violence,
it
makes
it
appear
that
it's
the
gun,
that's
the
problem
and
not
the
person
or
the
problem
behind
the
gun.
The
gun
is
just
the
instrument.
That's
used.
You
can
use
an
eye
for
anything
to
kill
someone,
so
we
need
to
be
focusing
on
the
problem
and
where
the
problem
lies
and
not
the
instrument
that's
being
used.
So
with
that.
S
H
Very
good
and
very
quickly,
I
think
it's
it
and
to
me
it's
the
access
to
guns,
illegal
guns,
since
nash,
since
we've
allowed
guns
and
cars
and
guns
and
trunks
here
in
nashville
our
are
for.
H
Unfortunately,
we
have
not
had
good,
responsible
gun
owners
and
we're
getting
hundreds
of
guns
stolen
each
week
that
end
up
in
use
hands
that
end
up
in
in
felons
hands
that
end
up
in
the
in
the
wrong
hands,
and
I
think
that's
it.
H
H
L
Yes,
sir,
very
brief
and
I've
worked
with
moms
before
and
I
think
they're
encountering
in
concert
with
the
thoughts
of
my
colleague
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
sum
it
up.
The
the
goal
is
to
put
education
and
training
gun
safety
in
a
place
where
responsible,
qualified
gun
owners
can
access.
It.
S
L
Yes,
ma'am
and
I'll
qualify.
My
statement
is
in
that
I
do
think
that
everyone
needs
to
have
safety,
training
and
education
about
firearms,
whether
you
own
one
or
not,
but
in
particular
those
who
are
qualified
and
are
gun
owners
need
to
know
what
they
are
holding
in
their
hands
and
what
it
can
do
to
another
human
being
or
multiple
human
beings.
So
I'm
in
in
agreement
with
my
colleague,
but
I
want
to
stretch
it
a
little
further.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
T
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
members
for
this
opportunity.
I'm
reverend
dr
jay
lawrence
turner,
I'm
the
senior
pastor
of
mississippi
boulevard,
christian
church
disciples
of
christ
in
memphis
tennessee
as
well
the
chair
of
the
steering
committee
of
the
african-american
clergy,
collective
of
tennessee.
T
T
T
B
Thank
you
thank
you
for
being
here
in
all
this
discussion
and
since
you're
on
the
hot
seat.
I
guess
I'll
leave
it.
I
ask
you
to,
but
I
haven't
heard
any
mention
of
the
studies
on
the
the
negative
influence
of
music
movies
games,
these
things
that
all
our
youth
are
so
addicted
to,
and
you
know
I
know
very
little.
I
just
hear
enough
to
know
that
it
is
shocking
the
violence
in
these
games
and
just
again
the
movies,
the
explicitness
of
music.
B
T
I
wouldn't
be
privy
to
that
information,
but
I
do
think
that
this
bill
speaks
to
part
of
his
data
collection.
I
think
it
would
be
looking
at
some
of
the
causation
that
brings
about
this
violence,
so
I'm
sure
that
might
come
across
the
radar
on
some
of
this,
but
I
wouldn't
be
the
one
who
could
offer
that
insight.
B
L
Thank
you,
chairman
and
good
morning
to
you
reverend
dr
j
lawrence
turner.
Thank
you.
I
know
your
work.
I
know
that
you,
minister,
to
not
tens
or
dozens
of
scores,
but
to
literally
thousands
every
year.
Okay-
and
you
understand
what
I'm
about
to
say,
some
of
my
colleagues
have
alluded
to
it,
I'm
going
to
say
it
direct.
L
When
we
talk
about
family
values,
number
one
you
got
to
have
a
family
number
two.
You
got
to
have
values,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
directly
to
the
family
structure,
but
I
will
speak
to
the
values
I
have
family
values,
because
my
folks
had
religion.
Okay,
if
you're,
if
you
got
faith
and
you're
involved
with
your
your
church,
chances
are
that
you
got
family
values.
L
So
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
talk
about.
I
think,
if,
if
we
look
at
the
the
data,
the
statistics
fewer
citizens
in
america
are
going
to
church
attending
church
these
days
or
claiming
any
specific
sect
of
religion.
Would
you
speak
to
that,
sir.
T
Yeah
it,
I
think
you
make
a
very
valid
point
that
we're
living
in
an
age
even
pre-pandemic,
where
the
american
church
was
experiencing
a
significant
decline
in
church
attendance,
and
so
it's
a
greater
likelihood
that,
even
if
you
do
have
a
family
with
mother
and
father
in
it,
that
they
might
not
be
church,
attendees
right
and
so
that's
exacerbated
in
circumstances
where
there's
a
single
parent
who's
heading
up
that
home.
And
so
it's
real
and
I
think
the
influence
of
the
church
is
not
what
it
has
been.
L
And
mr
chairman,
when
we
go
back
in
I'm
sure,
the
sponsor
would
probably
speak
to
this
and
inform
us
that
the
cultural
and
those
values
that
we
get
from
the
our
faith
are
part
of
what
she
intends
to
be
studied
and
that
data
will
speak
for
itself.
But
I
thank
you
pastor
for
the
work
you
do
and
welcome
to
you
and
the
african-american
clergy
y'all
do
good
work
looking
to
spend
some
time
doing
some
q
a
with
you
later.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
R
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service
and
the
work
that
you
do.
R
I
too
is
a
pastor
for
25
years,
and
so
I
know
what
you
know
you
face
in
those
families
and
it's
heart-wrenching
sometimes-
and
I
just
want
to
make
a
a
statement
that
I
appreciate
the
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
and
everything
that
all
of
you
are
doing
to
try
to
help
your
communities,
and
god
bless
you
for
that,
and
we
we
should
be
that
we
can
disagree
on
how
to
do
that.
R
But
I
think
that
everything
that
we've
discussed
here
today
from
music
in
fatherless
homes,
single
parent
homes,
anything
that's
affecting
our
youth-
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
see
how
that
we
can
combat
that
to
raise
good
citizens
and
because
we're
certainly
going
to
need
them
as
I'm
getting
older.
But
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do.
I
want.
I
want
to
say
this
when
you
focus
on,
and
it
seems
that
this
whole
discussion
has
been
nothing
more
than
gun
violence.
R
It
makes
me
feel
like
as
a
proud
gun
owner
and
a
proud
second
amendment
person
makes
me
feel
like
that.
You're
coming
after
my
guns,
and
that
builds
a
defense,
and
I
don't
want
to
build
a
defense.
I
want
your
community
and
my
community
and
all
of
our
communities
to
be
better
places
to
live
for
our
children
to
grow
up
and
for
us
to
go
to
church
and
to
have
a
good
thing.
So
I
don't
want
to
be
divided.
R
I
want
to
be
united
on
all
of
these
fronts,
but
I
think
sometimes
it
gets
lost.
The
message
gets
lost
and
because
we
maybe
disagree
on
the
second
amendment-
and
we
can
disagree
on
the
second
amendment,
but
still
agree
that
we
want
to
do
the
best
for
our
communities
and
I
believe,
that's
what
you're
all
wanting
to
do.
Representative.
T
I
think
the
spirit
of
this
is
also
something
else
that
is
embedded
in
the
constitution,
the
inalienable
rights
that
we
all
have
to
life,
amen,
life
and
liberty
and
the
pursuit
of
happiness.
I
don't
think
that's
something
that
should
divide
us,
that's
something
that
should
unite
us
and-
and
I
hope
that
what
we
propose
what's
proposed
in
1830
is
just
that
it's
not
to
take
away
guns.
T
I
think
the
concern
that
was
raised
early
was
with
illegal
guns,
but
we
must
marshal
all
the
resources
that
we
can,
because
every
waking
moment
that
passes
there's
a
life
in
jeopardy
and
we've
got
to
take
action
to
save
it.
R
A
O
I
just
want
to
say
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
indulgence
today
and
allow
my
guests
to
speak
before
you.
I
know
I
took
a
lot
of
time,
so
I
greatly
appreciate
you
all
for
that.
I
plan
to
fix
that
line
to
take
away
some
of
your
concerns,
and
I
want
to
reiterate
this
bill
is
not
to
take
away
guns.
I'm
a
proud
gun
owner.
It
is
to
ensure
that
folks
who
shouldn't
have
them,
don't
have
them,
and
we
can
come
up
with
youth
intervention
programs
to
take
a
multi-agency
approach.
A
All
right
members:
without
objection,
we
will
roll
house
bill
1830.
One
week
next
item
on
the
calendar
house,
bill
2034
by
representative
harris.
A
Q
D
I
want
to
apologize
to
you
and
the
sponsor.
I've
spoken
him
beforehand.
I'm
20
minutes
late
for
a
meeting
that
I
had.
I
I
had
this
meeting
scheduled
till
10
30..
We
should
have
scheduled
it
to
11.,
I'm
going
to
have
to
step
out.
I
don't
know
how
that
affects
our
quorum
or
anything
else,
but
I
did
want
to
apologize
to
both
the
chairman
and
the
the
presenter
of
the
bill,
because
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this.
D
Based
on
some
questions
I
asked
last
week
and
I
deeply
appreciate
that,
but
I
do
apologize,
I
I
thought
we
were
going
to
end
a
little
earlier
than
we
did
today.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
apologize
for
that
I'll
need
to
step
out
and
sir.
I
apologize
to
you
as
well,
because
you've
made
some
vast
improvements
on
this
bill.
I
don't
know
what
will
occur
in
community
today,
but
you've
definitely
approved
the
bill.
Thank
you.