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House K-12 Subcommittee - March 15, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
All
right
welcome
to
k12
subcommittee.
We
will
get
things
rolling.
Does
anybody
have
any
personal
orders
before
we
begin
seeing
none?
Madam
clerk,
please
take
the
roll.
C
B
A
Excellent,
let's
do
a
quick
rundown
here
of
the
of
the
calendar
and
on
item
number
one
house
bill
2143,
since
we
just
got
a
30-page
amendment
yesterday
and
we
do
have
quite
a
few
on
our
pac
final
calendar.
We're
going
gonna
do
our
best
to
we're
gonna
roll
this
to
the
hill.
We're
gonna
do
our
best
to
try
to
clear
our
calendar
so
that
we
have
a
clear
runway
and
and
and
some
clears
clear
space
to
just
really
focus
on
the
tisa
bill
next
week.
A
That
takes
us
to
item
number
two
which
no,
I
think
it
was
hey.
It's
long.
A
No,
no.
A
To
speak
on
that
and
then
take
it
all
right,
number
huddle
number
five
is
also
off
notice.
Item
number
five
house
bill:
2601
is
off
notice.
A
This
is
what
he
wanted
to
speak
on.
Okay,
this
one
all
right
item
number
six
house
bill:
2215
is
off
notice.
A
Okay,
that
takes
us
to:
let's
see
what
was
next.
A
A
Resident
mckinsey
hold
on
one.
Second,
I
think
we
do
have
an
amendment
that
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
address.
Oh
excuse
me
that
was
my
mistake.
I
apologize
15024.
Is
that
what
you
have
that.
A
B
Thank
you
again,
mr
chair,
and
and
as
I
was
saying,
the
the
this
bill
allows.
D
B
D
Formula
to
give
each
teacher
a
hundred
dollars
to
use
on
their
school
supplies,
they
can't
do
anything
outside
of
of
of
classroom
activities
and,
in
fact,
if
you
don't
mind,
mr
chair
I'd
like
to
go
out
of
session
and
allow
testimony.
A
Thank
you,
representative
mckenzie.
Without
objection
members,
we
do
have
a
guest
on
the
list
to
to
speak
and
without
objection
we
will
go
out
of
session.
A
B
B
B
B
A
D
I
don't
think
I
could
add
anything
to
what
nia
has
put
forth.
So
with
that
I
renew
my
motion.
A
Thank
you,
members
or
thank
you,
representative
mckenzie.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
our
sponsor
chairman
white
you're
recognized.
E
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
for
being
here.
I
just
didn't
want
you
to
sit
back
down,
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
being
here
and-
and
I
didn't
want
to
ask
a
question,
but
I
know
we're
back
in
session
now,
but
thank
you
for
doing
this
and
I
used
to
teach
school
and
it's
very
important.
Teachers
have
have
supplies
for
the
classroom
for
the
students,
so
I
encourage
you
and,
and
you
can
run
against,
represent
mckenzie.
If
you
want
to.
D
Yeah
no
she's
been
laughing
these
districts
out
there.
Oh
you
go
back.
F
B
Question
as
as
written
you
know
and
again,
I'm
I'm
I'm
learning
a
lot
about
tissa
and
I'm
looking
to
my
colleague
from
davidson
county
that
may
chime
in
on
that.
But
I
think
the
the
way
this
bill
is
written.
It
takes
the
existing
bep
formula
so
with
with
all
schools
and
and
leas
being
held
kind
of
harmless
and
introducing
that
same.
G
A
A
That
takes
us
to
item
number
seven
or
is
oh
she's
back
we'll
take
we'll
go
back
up
to
item
number
two
on
our
calendar.
A
House
bill
2454
by
chair
lady
weaver,
properly
motion
chair,
lady
weaver.
Do
you
do
you
have
an
amendment
with
this?
I
do
promotion.
A
C
A
Members
without
objection
we'll
be
voting
on
adopting
amendment
one
five,
four
one,
three,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
I
was
supposed
to
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
your
bill
as
amended
chair,
lady
weaver.
You
were
recognized.
C
First
of
all,
this
bill
house
bill
2454,
is
protecting
our
students
from
digital
obscenity
and
pornography
in
our
schools.
C
C
They
are
able
to
get
away
with
the
outrages
of
this
pornography
for
so
long
because,
again,
you
just
don't
think
that
it
is
so
apparent
and
so
so
available
to
our
children.
Databases
aren't
books,
so
parents
never
see
them
on
the
shelf
and
they
are
hidden
behind.
As
I
said
earlier,
a
digital
wall
where
most
people
don't
think
to
look
so
this
bill
will
definitely
hold
accountable
these
vendors
and
and
it's
time
that
we
really
cause
accountability
for
them,
because
they,
these
databases,
are
something
that
that
are
very.
C
What
do
I
want
to
say
easily
accessible
by
our
kids?
You
go
home,
you
have
your
ipad,
our
kids
go
home,
they
do
their
research
papers,
they
click
on,
they
put
their
password
in
and
they
click
on
a
homework.
Research
or
homework
report
and
they'll
put
a
key
word
in
and,
as
you
know,
all
these
data
things
it
all
works
on
algorithms
and
it
pulls
up
some
very
horrible
things
and
you
can't
unsee
these
things,
and
I
think
that
these
these
vendors
should
be
held
accountable
for
what
they're
putting
in
front
of
our
children.
C
A
Members
we
do
have
some
someone
on
the
list
to
to
testify
and
without
objection
we
will
go
out
of
session
and
we
actually
had
two
two
people
down,
but
is
this
miss
hamblin?
That's
that's
here.
I.
A
She
said
it
was
miss
patty
right.
Yes,
my
mom
was
a
school
teacher.
Her
name
was
patty
and
when
I
had
her
in
fifth
grade,
she
made
me
call
her
miss
patty.
So
anytime
I
hear
miss
patty.
I
have.
I
have
cold
flashbacks,
sometimes
to
getting
in
trouble
in
fifth
grade.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Please
state
your
name,
and
you
have
three
minutes
and
welcome.
B
My
name
is
patty
cantor
and
I'm
honored
to
be
the
mother
and
grandmother.
B
B
B
B
Unless
the
database
companies
filter
the
pornography
on
their
end
and
comply
with
our
tennis
obscenity
law,
we
will
not
be
able
to
block
what
minors
should
not
be
seeing
or
reading
gail
as
an
example
of
what
they
do
had
a
hyperlink
at
the
bottom
of
an
obscene
article
that
sent
children
to
ex-snappers,
which
encouraged
them
to
remove
their
clothing,
take
pictures
of
themselves
and
then
were
told
to
send
it
to
snapper.
So
they
could
become
porn
stars.
B
B
Last
year,
the
secretary
of
state
was
contacted
with
evidence
and
I
was
introduced
to
a
tele-administrator,
andrea
zelke.
She
acknowledged
in
writing
the
existence
of
unsafe
media,
which
was
not
age
appropriate
or
curriculum
aligned.
She
stated
that
she
forwarded
lists
of
articles
and
books
to
gail
requesting
removal
from
k-12
databases.
B
Despite
her
efforts,
scale
databases
keep
uploading
new
media
all
the
time
and
they
remain
highly
obscene
for
minors.
They
cannot
be
trusted.
Gail
needs
to
be
required,
divided
to
abide
by
tennessee
obscenity
laws.
A
child
inadvertently
coming
across
pornography
can
actually
result
in
an
addiction
to
it.
So
there
is
need
to
be
especially
careful
with
children.
B
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
appreciate
that
appreciate
what
you
had
to
say.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
our
guests,
seeing
none.
Thank
you
again
for
your
time
and
coming
here
today.
Thank
you.
Without
objection,
we'll
be
going
back
into
session
chair,
lady
weaver.
Do
you
have
anything
that
you
want
to
add
before
we
open
it
up
for
questions.
C
And
just
to
thank
you
chairman
and
just
to
her
point,
you
know
currently
right
now
you
can
go
to
jail
downloading
any
kind
of
porn
or
anything
on
your
phone.
It
is.
It
is
against
the
law
currently
now.
A
F
C
Okay,
so
bear
with
me
here.
I
have
to
find
my
notes.
A
Julie
weaver,
I
think
one
and
I
think
in
section
was
it
section
section
two:
it
starts
to
deal
with.
I'm
sorry
section
filters.
A
C
To
product,
if
a
provider
or
technology
for
lea
computers
fails
to
fulfill
the
provider's
contractual
obligations,
then
the
you
remove
their
payments,
you
can
breach.
You
can
actually
stop
the
contract.
These
contracts
are
done
on
annual,
took
me
a
while
to
remember
that
on
an
annual
basis,
and
so
basically,
if
you,
if
you
get
one
chance
up
to
the
bat
and
if,
if
you
you'll
strike
out,
if
you
don't
do
what
you're
told
and
you
we
can
cancel
the
contract.
A
A
C
This
is
called
the
parental
rights.
A
C
C
Think
that'd
be
easy,
but
that
requires
a
fiscal
note,
because
you
have
to
have
somebody
in
the
department
sit
there
and
do
all
of
the
information
so
that
wasn't
going
to
win,
and
many
of
you
know
that's
our
deal
down
here.
It's
always
going
to
how
much
it's
going
to
cost.
I've
been
listening
to
some
other
members.
Even
we
just
got
out
of
a
committee
here
a
little
bit
ago
about
transparency
on
charter
schools.
C
I
think
it's
a
very
important
issue
that
all
of
us
want
to
make
sure
we
do
our
due
diligence
and
our
constituents
demand
it
it's
public
money
and
they
want
to
know
where
it
goes
with.
That
being
said,
I
thank
you
chairman
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
express
my
desire
to
to
bring
more
sunshine
on
what's
being
spent
in
our
education
system,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
chairman,
I'm
going
to
take
this
off
notice
and
work
with
the
other
bill.
That's
already
out
in
the
atmosphere.
A
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
weaver,
and
without
objection
house
bill
2870
is
off
notice.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Properly
motioned
chairman
raziel
are
recognized
on
house
bill
2530.
and.
I
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
and
the
motion
in
the
second.
What
this
bill
does
is
encourages
schools
to
offer
automated
external
defibrillator
training
to
school
bus
drivers.
It's
an
encouraging
piece
of
legislation.
It's
not
a
mandate,
and
in
2009
a
12
year
old
son
of
one
of
my
constituents
had
died
on
the
local
school
basketball
court
from
a
sudden,
cardiac
arrest
and,
and
that
began
a
process
of
seeking
requirement
for
aed
devices
in
school.
At
that
time,
in
tennessee
there
were
a
lot
of
schools
that
had
them.
I
This
particular
school
had
one,
but
it
was
locked
up.
Nobody
could
get
it
and
and
the
the
son
of
my
constituent
died.
The
initial
bill
was
called
the
tanner
jameson
law
and-
and
we
amended
that
each
year
for
about
10
years
until
we
reached
a
point
where
governor
lee
agreed
to
fund
the
last
eight
schools,
so
out
of
the
1800
or
so
schools
that
we
have
in
the
state
of
tennessee
each
school
is
now
required
to
have
an
aed
device
which
tennessee's
the
first
state
to
to
do
that
in
the
united
states.
I
I
I
A
Thank
you,
chairman
ramsey
members,
have
any
questions
chairman
watt,
you're
recognized.
E
I
Chairman,
oh
yes,
sir,
I'm
sorry
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
there
was
the
the
and
and
that's
kind
of
the
beauty
of
the
situation
out
of
those
1800
or
so
schools
that
have
aed
devices.
I
The
majority
of
those
were
placed
by
non-profits
citizens
that
that
felt
like
there
was
a
need.
So
by
the
time
we
got
10
years
into
the
the
issue
of
requiring
them.
There
were
only
like
eight
schools
left
that
didn't
have
them
they.
So
that's
the
governor
put
together
a
package
of
ten
thousand
dollars
or
so
and,
and
we
took
care
of
those
last
eight
schools.
J
I
was
able
to
meet
the
mother
of
the
son
in
in
your
district
after
this
happened,
but
I
also
had
a
very
good
good
friend
of
mine.
From
from
about
the
time
we
were
in
sixth
grade
whose
son
was
healthy,
as
can
be,
athletic
was
decided
to
go
out
for
central
high
schools
based
a
basketball
team.
He'd
always
played
baseball
and
football
and
decided
to
do
basketball,
and
we
all
said
what
are
you
doing
hunter
and
he's
like?
J
Well,
I
decided
I
want
to
play
well,
he
had
cardiac
arrest
at
practice
and
fortunately,
to
the
guys
there
was
one
that
was
locked
in
the
office
at
central.
There
was
one
that
was
down
at
the
football
field
house
and
they
each
ran
both
ways,
and-
and
this
is
it's
one
of
those
things.
Thank
you
lord,
because
the
office
was
normally
closed
by
4
30
in
the
afternoons,
but
this
they
it
was
unlocked
that
day.
J
He
was
able
to
get
the
defibrillator,
get
it
back
and
and
my
best
friend's
son
coded
three
times,
but
they
were
over
able
to
save
him
and
fly
him
out
to
vanderbilt
and
has
a
pacemaker.
This
was
his
freshman
year
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
it's
been
several
several
years
and
he's
not
had
any
problems
and
from
having
family
in
the
medical
field.
Defibrillators
save
lives.
J
So
this
is
very
important
and
very
important
issue
to
me
that
I
hope
that
we
as
a
state
can
can
make
sure
that
that
these
can
be
placed
on
all
our
school
buses
and
because
it
can
save
a
life
and
if
it's
your
child
or
anybody
close
to
you,
we
want
to
do
all
we
can.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you,
because
I've
been
touched
by
it
and
also
my
husband
had
to
do
this
at
an
airport.
We
were
traveling
once
there
happened
to
be
a
defibrillator
for
somebody
there.
J
A
A
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
it
takes
us
to
item
number
eight
house
bill
2532
by
chairman
ramsey,
properly
motioned,
chairman
ramsey
you're,
recognized.
I
I
This
bill
was
brought
to
me
by
the
national
association
of
social
workers,
and
they
had
been
in
communication
with
the
department
of
health
and
the
department
of
health,
responded
that
in
a
very
cooperative
attitude
that
that
told
the
national
association
of
social
workers
that
they
would
like
to
take
the
bill
off
notice
because
they
are
going
to
commit
to
restarting
a
collaborative
agreement
outlined
in
the
bill
and
they
would
not
need
the
legislation
to
do
it.
So
if,
if
it
is,
is
within
your
will,
we
will
take
that
off
notice.
Sir.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
ramsey,
and
without
objection
we
will
take
house
bill
2532
off
notice.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
nine
on
our
calendar
house
bill
591
by
chairman
williams,
properly
motioned,
chairman
williams,
you
are
recognized,
do
you
I
guess
what
does
you
have
an
amendment
that
makes
the
bill.
A
All
right,
probably
a
motion
without
objection,
members
we'll
go
ahead
and
vote
to
add
this
to
the
bill.
I
will
be
voting
on
adopting
amendment
one
five,
one,
two,
eight,
all
those
a
favor,
please
say
aye
I'll
suppose
say
no
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
your
bill
as
amended
to
chairman
williams.
You're
recognized
thank.
D
This
legislation,
before
you
as
amended,
would
propose
a
more
explicit
definition
of
what
vacant
and
underutilized
facilities
are,
which
is
different
than
current
law
and
allows
a
charter
school
to
petition
the
comptroller's
office
for
an
audit
of
the
vacant
and
under
utilized
facilities.
Second,
it
provides
charter
schools
the
right
to
first
refusal
to
rent
a
vacant
or
underutilized
property
at
an
annual
cost
not
to
exceed
the
annual
capital
outlay
funding
received
by
the
charter
school
through
the
bep
to
purchase
vacant
or
below
fair
market
value
buildings
below
or
at
fair
market
value.
D
It
explicitly
says
an
lea
is
not
responsible
for
any
necessary
costs
associated
with
public
charter
schools,
occupation
of
one
of
these
facilities,
unless
agreed
upon
by
the
charter
school
itself.
So,
for
instance,
a
building
being
on
a
vacant
or
under
utilized
list
does
not
make
it
automatically
available.
D
A
Thank
you,
chairman
williams.
Anybody
have
any
questions
for
our
sponsor
chairman
safiki
you're
recognized.
Thank
you
and.
K
K
That's
the
first
thing
I
think
I
take
on
issue
with
this
bill.
So
let
me
ask
you
some
questions
about
the
bill.
If
you
don't
mind,
mr
chairman,.
K
When
it
talks
about
the
50
to
55
capacity,
does
that
take
into
effect
the
building
that
may
be
occupied
by
cte,
which
is
going
to
have
reduced
numbers
because
of
the
spacing
out
of
cte.
So
in
theory
it
could
be
a
thousand
children,
but
because
the
lea
has
turned
it
into
a
cte
with,
and
it's
at
45
capacity
because
of
all
the
equipment
in
there.
Would
that
building
then
therefore
have
to
be
put
on
the
notice
chairman.
D
D
Chairman
williams,
thank
you.
No,
that's
not
what
I
said.
What
I
said
was
is
that
if
it
were
less
than
50,
it
would
be
possible
for
that
charter
school
to
rent
that
facility.
However,
the
bill
states
that
the
that
it
has
to
be
based
upon
an
agreement
with
the
local,
a
local
entity
which
has
the
building
and
that
agreement
would
have
to
be
entered
into
at
that
point.
K
Moving
on
there's
another
section
in
here
where
it
talks
about
a
purchase
or
a
lease
page,
three
of
the
amendment
we're
talks,
4a
4b
does
the
lea
have
to
decide
on
whether
they
are
allowed
to
sell
it
and
only
sell
it
or
if,
if
an
lea,
if
a
charter
school
wants
to
lease
it,
can
they
force
a
lea?
Who
has
a
property
up
for
sale?
Can
they
force
them
to
lease
it
to
them,
instead
of
instead
to
sell
it
outright.
D
Chairman
williams,
thank
you.
That's
that's
a
great
question.
Actually,
the
lea
based
upon
the
terms
of
the
bill,
the
lea
would
have
the
ability
to
purchase
it
or
rent
it.
Whichever
is
best
the
best
deal
for
the
local
entity
which
owns
it,
and
but
we
know
that
the
basis
for
that
deal
is
based
upon
fair
market
value.
D
As
someone
in
the
real
estate
business,
you
know
that
fair
market
value
is
usually
under
what
actual
value
is,
and
so
it's
my
expectation
that,
under
the
premise
of
this
bill,
the
local
entity
which
owned
this
property
would
get
better
than
what
the
fair
market
value
would
be.
K
K
K
It's
mcdowell
elementary,
probably
has
about
20
million
dollars
worth
of
asbestos
remediation
in
it.
Right
now,
it
is
cheaper
for
murray
county
to
build
a
new
elementary
school
than
it
would
be
for
them
to
sing
20
million
dollars
into
a
school-
that's
probably
close
to
60
years
old,
because
this
property
is
vacant,
then
that
can
be
put
up
that
has
to
be
turned
into
the
to
the
state
as
a
vacant
property,
a
charter
school
in
murray
county.
If
there's
already
one
charter
school,
they
could
target
mcdowell
elementary
to
either
be
purchased
or
leased.
K
D
Chairman
williams,
thank
you
chairman,
chairman
piggy,
a
lot
to
unpack
there.
I
will
clarify
that
in
the
many
years
of
service
that
I
have
been
to
the
general
assembly.
This
is
the
first
time
in
this
half
of
the
general
assembly
that
I've
carried
an
education
bill.
This
is
house
bill
591.
I
welcome
in
yeah.
Thank
you.
So
I
I'm
delighted
to
be
here.
Thankfully,
I'm
not
having
to
read
a
lot,
but
I
will
say
591.
I
don't
know
what
the
other
bills
did.
D
I
I
wasn't
in
those
committees,
I
sat
on
election
subcommittee
and
we
had
27
bills
this
year
on
elections
so
and
they
all,
as
as
my
good
friend
dr
love,
would
say,
they
were
all
different
in
some
form,
but
each
bill
stood
on
their
own.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
other
bills
do.
I
recognize
if
you're
very
passionate
about
it,
but
as
it
pertains
to
this
bill
and
your
example
as
it
relates
to
asbestos.
D
If,
if
the
fair
market
value
of
the
property
was
agreed
upon
and
the
asbestos
was
taken
into
consideration,
then
your
local
lea
would
come
out
well
ahead
because
they
would
have
to
remove
all
the
asbestos
before
they
could
occupied
in
the
instance
of
a
lease.
It's
my
understanding,
based
on
the
terms
of
this
bill,
that
it
wouldn't
be
the
least
responsibility,
and
so
that
property
would
probably
continue
to
sit
vacant.
So
thank
you
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions.
Representative
love,
you're,
recognized.
L
D
D
Yeah
and
so
the
reason
for
that,
the
the
the
reason
for
this
bill
is
because
when
we
changed
the
definition
of
what
underutilized
facilities
were,
and
we
did
an
inventory
of
them,
it
still
left
enough
still
left
this
open
under
a
misunderstanding
about
what
underutilized
for
vacant.
I
think
of
all
the
parts
of
this
bill
that
read
that
better
clarifying
of
that
definition,
I
think
it's
important
not
just
to
leas
or
charters,
but
also
the
local
governments,
the
facilities
that
they
own.
L
L
D
Chairman
williams,
yes,
thank
you
chairman,
yes,
representative
love,
they
would
simply
have
a
first
right
of
refusal.
If
they
couldn't
come
to
the
terms
of
the
agreement,
though,
then
then
they
then
the
local
owner
of
the
property
could
then
in
fact
sell
it
to
someone
else.
I
don't
know
if
you've
done
that
I've
done
that
and
sometimes
the
first
route's
worthless,
and
so.
L
I
recall
actually
going
back
a
few
years
where
we
first
started
talking
about
underutilized
space.
For
whatever
reason
this
is
there's
a
there's
bad
blood,
sometimes
between
the
entities.
L
A
Thank
you,
doctor
representative
clemens
you're
recognized.
G
G
D
A
A
G
D
That
jeremy
williams-
I
I
don't
legal-
might
be
able
to
help
me
here,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
length
of
time
other
than
what
a
traditional
calendar
day
would
be,
but
I
did
want
to
clarify
whispered
in
my
ear
over
here.
It
is
still
based
upon
your
previous
question.
If
that
building
was
less
than
50
occupied,
then
it
then
this
bill
it
would
that
other
half
of
the
building
would
be
deemed
vacant.
A
G
Okay
and
sorry,
thank
you.
What
would
a
gymnasium
count
as
a
part
of
a
building?
That's
used
for
direct
academic
instruction
or
not
chairman
williams?
No,
so
we
got
some
small
elementary
schools
in
small
communities
where
gymnasiums
and
cafeterias
make
up
a
pretty
sizable
portion
of
you
know
these
neighborhood
schools
so
you're
going
to
have,
I
guess
maybe
that
gets
to
the
vacancy
issue
or
that
portion
of
the
building,
because
you
know
does
that
qualify
or
would
those
schools
fall
under
it?
G
D
Chairman
williams,
thank
you.
I
think
it
has
to
do
with
instructional
space,
not
based
upon
ancillary
space,
so,
for
instance,
if
if
the
cafeteria
was
used
as
as
something
for
as
it
relates
for
educational
space
than
in
fact,
it
would.
But
I,
as
far
as
your
gymnasium,
I
don't
know
that
there's
any
clarifying
language
in
the
bill
as
it
relates
to
a
gymnasium.
G
Representative
clemens,
thank
you,
mr
mr,
mr
chairman.
I've
just
got
a
couple
more
questions.
I
apologize,
then.
The
the
next
thing
is
lea
has
to
submit
the
list
of
the
schools
to
the
department
of
education
and
the
comptroller
of
the
treasury.
Why
is
that?
I
mean
if
they're
gonna
do
this,
why
wouldn't
they
just
post
it
publicly
and
do
that?
It
seems
to
me
like
we're,
creating
a
situation
where
department,
education,
the
comptroller,
can
just
dole
this
out
to
certain
charter,
schools
and
tip.
You
know
them
off
to
certain
opportunities.
D
Chairman
williams,
thank
you.
That's
a
great
question
that
was
one
of
the
the
tenants
of
the
earlier
charter
vacancy
laws.
The
reason
why
that
we
had
that
is.
We
want
an
independent
third
party
that
we're
submitting
those
those
documents
to
that
determines
what
vacancy
is
and
it's
it's
it's
not
necessarily
to
be
an
arbiter.
It's
just
there's
an
audit
trail
there
through
the
comptroller's
office.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Two
more
questions.
I
apologize
so
this
part
in
here
that
says
they
have
the
charter
school.
As
the
writer
refusal
first
refusal
to
lease
and
under
utilized
or
vacant
property
at
an
annual
cost
not
to
exceed
the
annual
capital
outlay
funding
received
by
the
public
charter
school
leasing,
the
building.
What
is
the
the
amount
of
that
annual
capital
outline
outlay?
What
is
the
range
there.
D
It's
a
formulary
based
upon
whatever
student
data
is
I'm
I'm
assuming,
but
I
don't
know
the
the
clarifying
definition
to
what
that
is.
I
do
have
somebody
here
that
can
ask
the
question,
but
I
was
trying
to
do
my
best
to
keep
from
going
out
of
session.
So
y'all
didn't
stay
till
7
30.
G
Well,
while
you've
been
clemons
yeah,
why
do
you
think?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
why
you
think
about
that?
Let
me
just
ask
give
you
a
final
kind
of
hypothetical
okay,
so
I've
got
a
school
in
my
district,
we're,
fortunately,
building
a
brand
new
school
hillwood
high
school's,
going
to
close
down,
sits
in
the
middle
of
west
meade,
you're,
probably
familiar
with
where
it
is
our
former.
G
Okay,
so
our
former
majority
leader
actually
used
to
drive
the
street
from
it.
I
think
he
moved
to
my
hometown
now,
but
that
school's
going
to
close
down
and
they're
going
moving
into
a
new
school
in
closer
to
bellevue
and
that
building
is
going
to
be
vacant
and
that
neighborhood
and
that
entire
west
nashville
community.
They
are
very
concerned
and
I've
been
working
a
lot
of
hours
with
council
members
and
others
about
that
property.
G
D
Williams,
thank
you.
I
don't
know
why.
I
keep
doing
that.
Sorry,
chairman,
the
my
it's
my
understanding
that
it
would
not
the
reason
being
is
is
is
that
if
there
is
an
intended
use
for
it,
there's
still
a
deadline
based
upon
how
long
it's
vacant
and
a
percentage
of
its
vacant.
So
as
long
as
your
community
decided
to
go
ahead
and
turn
it
into
community
center,
then
they
would
be,
they
would
be
the
landowner,
and
that
would
be
the
use,
and
that
was
the
plan
for.
D
However,
if
they
said
we
want
that
to
be
a
community
center
and
it's
set
there
for
longer
than
the
duration
of
time
set
out
in
this
bill,
then
then
it
would
be
available.
My
point
to
you,
as
I
would
say
to
my
own
community,
is
if
we
really
want
this
to
be
a
community
center,
then
we
should
probably
get
get
going
with
plans
to
make
it
one.
Oh.
G
G
A
That
short,
two
minute
recess
is
over.
We
are
back
in
session
chairman
williams,
you
were
recognized.
D
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
for
the
a
little
sidebar
just
to
catch
up
in
where
we
are
representative
clemens
had
to
concern
her
question
regarding
duration
of
time
and
when,
when
something's
deemed
vacant.
As
far
as
time
is
concerned,
I
do
think
that,
based
upon
his
his
question
and
some
lack
of
clarity
there
in
discussion
with
legal,
I
think
the
intent
is
there
in
that
it
would.
D
It
would
be
longer
than
30
days
or
60
days,
and
so
with
the
chairman
and
the
committee
members
assist
or
approval
I'd
like
to
roll
this
to
the
next
to
the
heel,
with
the
idea
that
if
I
I
can't
timely
file,
an
amendment,
I'm
a
chairman
myself
and
I
do
not
like
untimely
fight
amendments.
A
A
Thank
you,
chairman
williams,
that
takes
us
to
item
number
10
house
bill
2854
by
representative
hardaway,
properly
motioned
and
it
does
have
untimely
fault.
It
is
an
untimely
filed
amendment
drafting
code,
zero,
one,
five,
two,
five,
five
members.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
consider
this
untimely
filed
amendment
properly
motion
members
will
be
voting
to
consider
amendment
15255,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
I'll
suppose,
say
no
the
eyes.
Have
it
representative
hardaway.
A
Would
you
care
to
explain
your
amendment
before
we
take
it
into
consideration
or
actually
we
need
to
get
hold
on?
I
need
to
also
get
enough.
Let
me
get
a
motion
on
the
amendment
now
that
we
have
considered
sorry
all
those
in
favor
of
considering
amendment
one
five,
two
five
five
indicate
by
saying
aye
eyes:
have
it
represented
hardware?
You
were
recognized
on
your
amendment.
A
We
do
not
allow
props,
so
that
would
be
a
good
idea.
A
Hardaway
you
were
recognized.
Does
your
amendment
make
the
bill?
Yes,
sir?
All
right
without
objection,
we'll
go
ahead
and
vote
to
adopt
amendment
one
five,
two,
five:
five,
all
those
in
favor
indicate
by
saying
aye
all
supposed
to
say:
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
your
bills
amended.
You
are
recognized.
Thank.
H
H
The
the
fiscal
note.
H
H
The
department
of
children's
services
who
popped
this
this
gigantic
50
000
for
state
expenditures,
is
projecting
as
if
it
was
a
mandatory
policy,
that's
being
developed,
that's
not
what
we're
doing
so
I'll.
Ask
you
to
kind
of
take
the
fiscal
note
with
a
grain
of
salt
and
I
plan
to
get
with
fiscal
after
this
before.
If
the
committee
sees
fit
to
pass
it
out
before
we
get
to
full
committee.
A
Thank
you,
representative
hardaway.
Do
you
have
representative
speaker,
chairman
speaker,
you're
recognized
thank.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
representative
hartford,
bringing
this
so,
as
I
read
this
bill
it
doesn't
require.
Does
it
require
the
leas
to
do
this
or
give
them
the
ability
to
do
it?
President
hardaway.
H
Thank
you,
sir.
It
does
not
require
any
lea,
nor
does
it
require
dcs
to
do
anything.
Okay,
dcs
is
suggesting
that,
because
they
have
20
teaching
positions
that
that's
how
much
it
would
cause
if
they
did
it,
we're
not
requiring
them
to
do
it.
Okay,
so
if
they
choose
not
to
do
it,
they
just
won't
have
data
to
contribute
to
the
study
chairman
speaking.
H
If
the
committee
sees
fit
to
expand
it,
I'm
certainly
here
to
do
the
will
of
the
committee.
The
reason
that
I
chose
covet
is
because
I
had
so
many
inquiries
from
educators
who
were
having
to
make
decisions.
Individual
decisions
on.
Do
I
go
to
school
and
risk
passing
on
the
virus,
or
do
I
stay
home
and
don't
get
paid
because
I'm
out
of
sickly?
Okay,
so
that
that's
what
had
me
focus
on
covet,
but
I'm
certainly
open
to
the
committee's
wishes
on
how
we
approach
it.
F
The
question
concerning
the
data,
though,
since
I
didn't
see
your
untimely
filed
amendment,
please
enlighten
me
on
who's
going
to
do
the
analysis
again.
F
F
A
E
Chairman,
what
thank
you
just
clarification
and
I
understand
because
we
as
a
body
we
could
not
require,
have
the
cover
monies
used
by
federal
law.
So
are
we
not
just
moving
inc
around
on
this
bill
now
is
make
sure
I
understand
your
exact
purpose,
we're
urging
we're
asking
that
they
collect
this
data
so
that
maybe,
if
there's
a
future
pandemic
or
issue,
then
we'll
have
data
and
how
we
should
use
it
as
working.
Would
that
be
correct,
representative.
H
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
remind
me:
there
is
a
institution
down
in
west
tennessee,
that's
on
the
corner
of
paterson
and
central
avenue,
and
it
has
a
beautiful
law
school
down
in
the
customs
house
on
front
street
in
downtown
memphis.
What's
the
name
of
that
school.
A
A
On
to
item
number
11
house
bill
2788,
it
is
off
notice,
item
number
12.
A
house
bill.
2258
will
roll
a
few
spaces
for
right
now.
A
A
All
right,
let's
take
up
item
number
22
on
the
calendar
house,
bill
16
by
representative
griffey.
Thank
you,
mr.
N
Chairman
properly
motioned,
representative
griffin,
you're
recognized,
thank
you,
and
could
I
have
a
roll
call
vote
on
this
one,
please,
members
of
the
committee,
I
like
to
call
this
bill,
the
remember
the
alamo
bill
and
I
know
I'll,
remember
the
story
of
alamo,
where
davy
crockett
went
down
to
help
out
texans
and
fight
for
the
independence
of
texas.
I
just
hope
this
bill
doesn't
turn
out
the
way
the
alamo
situation
turned
out
all
kidding
aside
today.
N
We've
currently
got
a
law
that
says
states
cannot
decide
how
they
spend
their
education
dollars,
whether
they
want
to
spend
them
on
children
that
are
here
illegally
in
the
united
states.
It's
not
in
the
constitution.
It
wasn't
passed
by
congress.
What
it
was.
It
was
a
decision
made
by
the
nine
unelected
supreme
court
justices.
N
It
was
a
5-4
decision
in
1982,
it's
called
plier
versus
doe
and
it
simply
challenged
whether
texas
could
have
the
authority
to
say
you
know
it's
a
policy
decision
we're
going
to
decide
that
the
state's
not
going
to
spend
money
on
the
education
of
children
that
are
here
illegally.
So
let
me
just
read
if
I
may,
the
first
paragraph
of
chief
chief
justice,
burger
justice,
white
and
justice,
rehnquist
and
justice
o'connor
in
this
in
the
dissent
and
what
they
said,
they
said
we're
it
our
business
to
set
the
nation's
social
policy.
N
I
would
agree
without
hesitation
that
it
is
senseless
for
an
enlightened
society
to
provide
any
children,
including
illegal
aliens
of
an
elementary
education.
I
fully
agree
that
it
would
be
folly
and
wrong
to
tolerate
creation
of
a
segment
of
society
made
up
of
illiterate
persons,
many
having
limited
or
no
command
of
our
language.
N
However,
the
constitution
does
not
constitute
us
as
platonic
guardians,
nor
does
it
vest
this
court
with
the
authority
to
strike
down
laws
because
they
do
not
meet
our
standards
of
desirable
social
policy,
wisdom
or
common
sense.
We
trespass
on
the
assigned
function
of
the
political
branches
under
our
structure
of
limited
and
separated
powers
when
we
assume
a
policy-making
role,
as
a
court
does
today.
N
So
essentially,
you've
got
the
dissent
in
a
liberal-controlled
court
saying
that
they're
legislating
from
the
bench.
If
we
pass
house
bill
1648,
it's
really
not
going
to
change
anything.
Although
the
deal's
set
in
motion
up
for
a
legal
challenge,
but
we
cannot
change
what
the
law
is
in
america
with
the
decision
of
player
versus
doe,
unless
some
state
steps
up
takes
leadership
and
says
you
know,
we
want
to
challenge
that
decision
and
that's
what
I'm
asking
this
committee
to
do.
That's
what
I'm
asking
the
tennessee
general
assembly
to
do.
N
This
is
something
that
should
be
relitigated
in
the
courts.
It
was
decided
on
equal
protection
grounds
and
even
the
constitution
gives
the
congress
the
authority
to
set
up
different
classifications
for
people
who
are
not
similarly
situated
and
being
in
the
united
states
illegally
is
certainly
a
situation
that
merits
treating
people
here
differently.
N
A
O
O
There
are,
in
addition
to
the
supreme
court
case.
There
are
federal
laws
that
that
exist.
Sort
of
over
this
that
this
would
put
us
in
conflict
with
immediately
title.
Excuse
me,
the
mckinney-vento
act
is
one
of
them
and
the
privacy
act.
It
prohibits
leas
in
public
charter
schools
from
requesting
citizenship
status.
So
in
order
to
implement
this
bill
it
you
know
it
states
that
districts
would
would
have
the
option
not
to
provide
services
to
these
students,
and
if
they
did
provide
services
to
these
students,
they
would
that
funding
state
funding
would
be
withheld.
O
Districts
would
be
in
conflict
with
federal
law
to
even
attempt
to
answer
that
question.
So
it's
not
just
player
doe.
There
are
also
other
federal
laws,
privacy,
protections
and
and
and
title
vi
of
the
civil
rights
act.
That
would
create
issues
here.
For
us,
this
is
just
so
legally
fraught
that
it's
going
to
put
the
state
at
a
disadvantage
at
a
very
disadvantaged
position
to
try
to
defend
this
and
based
on
existing
precedent.
We
have
no
confidence
that
it
will
lead
to
any
sort
of
different
decision.
F
O
Our
legal
team
looked
at
every
possible
sort
of
precedent
or
case
law.
There
is
a
lot
of
case
law
on
this.
Actually,
it's
not
just
plier
versus
doe,
and
we
felt
that
this
was
not
an
advantageous
legal
position
for
the
state
to
take
and
to
defend
chairman
reagan.
F
E
What
thank
you
chairman,
you
may
have
just
said
this
on
my
clarity.
It
says
in
our
in
our
bill
notice
here
the
proposed
legislation
may
jeopardize
up
to
5
billion
in
federal
funding.
O
Thank
you
for
the
question
that
would
be
up
to
the
u.s
department
of
education.
We
are
certainly
very
concerned
that
we
would
be
jeopardizing
that
funding
and
doing
it
immediately.
O
A
N
Griffin,
you're
recognized.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
respectfully.
I
disagree
with
the
department's
position
on
that
again.
If
this
legislation
is
passed,
it's
going
to
be
challenged
and
immediately
enjoined
we're
not
going
to
lose
any
money,
nothing's
going
to
happen
until
the
courts
rule
on
it
and
it
would
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
supreme
court,
but
we're
we
can't
change
a
bad
decision
unless
somebody
takes
action,
passes
a
law
to
challenge
that
decision.
So
I
submit
that
I'm
asking
for
tennessee
you
all
and
everyone,
let's
be
leaders,
let's
be
volunteer
state.
N
N
Griffey
I
started
law
school
in
1990
1987..
This
was
a
decision.
I
read,
I
read
it
closely
back
then,
and
I
was
really
kind
of
amazed
how
far
off
track
the
supreme
court
had
done,
and
it
was
clear
to
me
it
was
legislating
from
the
bench.
The
basis
in
the
law
and
the
presidential
decisions
did
not
support
this
decision,
not
not
anywhere
close.
It's
not
even
close,
and
if
you'll
read
the
dissent
carefully,
they
go
through
all
the
arguments
and
sets
it
out.
N
L
L
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
think
the
one
thing
I
agree
with
that
the
sponsor
said
is
that
this
will
be
immediately
enjoined,
but
the
problem
is:
is
there
will
be
no
guarantee
that
this
will
go
through
the
system?
The
sponsor,
like
myself
and
others,
are
lawyers.
There
is
no
guarantee,
as
the
department
said,
this
is
settled
law
and
when
there's
settled
law
that
has
been
the
law
of
the
land
for
quite
a
while,
as
you
notice,
some
of
those
supreme
court
justices
in
that
dissent
that
were
quoted
most
of
them
have
passed
away.
G
That's
how
long
this
has
been
settled
law
and
when
that
is
the
case,
courts
will
not
take
it
up
on
appeal:
it
will
be
overturned
and
lose,
and
the
only
thing
that
will
come
from
this
legislation
is
not
only
threatening
five
billion
dollars
worth
of
funds
that
we
badly
need
for
public
education,
tennessee
taxpayers
will
have
lost
even
more
money,
challenging
a
bill
that
we
knew
was
unconstitutional
when
we
passed
it.
So
there
is
no
guarantee
of
any
judicial
precedent
to
be
said
here.
The
only
guarantee
is
that
we
will
lose
taxpayer
hard-earned
money.
N
Representative
griffin,
I
just
respectfully
disagree.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
lose
any
money.
We
wouldn't
lose
any
money
unless
the
supreme
court
upheld
this
law.
If
we
passed
it
and
then
the
department
of
education
congress
would
have
to
take
action
on
that.
So
I
just
respectfully
disagree
with
my
friend
from
davidson
county.
F
Chairman
reagan,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
If
I
might
the
last
time
I
checked,
which
has
been
a
while
back
I'll
admit,
tennessee
was
spending
60.2
million
dollars
on
foreign
language
education.
I
think
that
number's
even
higher
now
tennessee
taxpayers
are
out
money
right
now,
and
I
will
point
out
that
the
last
time
we
had
a
significant
population
in
our
state
legally
here
there
were
non-native
english
speakers
was
in
1838
before
the
trail
of
tears.
F
All
right
go
ahead.
I
would
further
submit
that
the
legal
grounds
on
which
we're
challenging
this
this
law
has
a
firm
foundation
in
something.
I
asked
the
department
of
education
about
the
anti-commandeering
policies
and
procedures
and
if
you
will
precedents
that
have
been
set,
the
courts
have
ruled
that
the
federal
government
cannot
force
a
state
to
spend
state
taxpayer
dollars
to
enforce
federal
dictates.
N
You,
mr
chairman,
just
briefly
the
federation
of
americans
for
immigration
reform,
did
a
study
in
2017,
I
believe,
and
they
estimated
that
it
cost
tennessee
taxpayers
792
million
dollars
a
year
for
illegals,
immigrants
in
tennessee
and
their
children.
As
far
as
the
tax
dollars,
we
provide
to
them
of
tennessee
state
taxpayer
dollars.
K
Thank
you
I
get
where
you're
coming
from.
K
And
I
think
you're
willing
to
accept
that
if
the
supreme
court
this
gets
challenged
and
the
supreme
court
rules
that
they're
going
to
stay
with,
where
they
are,
that's
what
they
rule,
but
you're
never
going
to
know.
If
it's
going
to
change
until
someone
steps
forward
and
says
we
need
to
look
at
this
again
and
see
where
we
are
as
a
country
versus
where
we
were
at
the
time.
K
So
we
have
an
attorney
general
and
they
have
an
army
of
attorneys
and
I'm
sure
that
they'll
do
their
best
to
defend
the
state
of
tennessee.
Thank
you.
E
Chairman
what
okay?
Thank
you
chairman
sitting
here
listening
and
I
don't
necessarily
disagree
with
anything.
That's
been
said
on
one
side
of
the
other,
that's
one
of
my
one
of
my
challenges
in
looking
at
bills,
but
as
I
look
as
a
look
at
this
one
and
I
agree
with
you-
we
have
a
broken
border
system.
I
totally
disagree
and
it's
causing
a
lot
of
bad
actors,
but
the
overall-
and
I
think
it's
you
know
what's
happening
right
now-
is
probably
why
this
legislation
is
is
before
us
or
wasn't
before
10
years
ago.
E
Maybe,
but
I
still
have
to
question,
I
still
have
the
question:
is
it
a
bad
thing
that
we
educate
children
no
matter
what
their
status
is?
You
know
we
got
to
think
about
that.
Also
now
the
immigration
policy
is
broken
too
many
coming
in
and
we
as
a
states
have
to
deal
with
it,
but
we're
still
talking
about
the
education
of
a
child.
E
So
I
don't
want
to
get
too
too
far
off,
of
course,
that
I
just
think
this,
where
there's
so
many
issues
and
everything
I
would
like
to,
I
think
he
he
wants
to
respond.
I
do
want
to
make
a
motion.
N
Representative
griffey,
thank
you.
I
do
respond
and
look.
I
get
your
arguments
and
concerns
if
this
bill
passes
and
the
way
the
bill
is
written.
If
the
locals
want
to
provide
for
the
free
education,
they
can
nothing's
going
to
happen
on
this
bill
until
it
gets
up
to
the
supreme
court.
If
it
if
it
gets
up
there,
they
may
even
decline
to
even
hear
it,
but
if
it,
if
they
do,
tennessee
can
always
reevaluate
the
situation
go.
N
You
know
what
we
think
we
are
willing
to
spend
our
take
our
state
tax
money
on
children
that
are
here
illegally
and
that's
a
policy
decision,
but
the
whole
point
of
this
bill
is
nine.
Unelected
judges
should
not
be
making
policy
decisions,
how
the
state
spends
their
taxpayer
dollars
and
that's
the
point
about
preemption
that
representative
reagan
brought
up
so
and
we're
never
going
to
get
to
that
point
to
try
to
push
back
against
legislation
from
the
bench
by
the
supreme
court.
A
Any
other
questions
sponsored
the
question
has
been
called
without
objection,
be
voting
on
house
bill
1648,
all
those
in
favor
indicate
by
oh
sorry,
my
fault,
madam
chair.
Please
take
the
roll.
B
I
A
Thank
you
is
representative
carringer
back.
She
had
a
guest
here
that
I
forgot
that
was
here
to
testify
and
I
wanted
to
take
hers
up,
but
we
have
we'll
go
back
to.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
so
house
bill
house
bill
2258.
This
bill
would
place
new
restrictions
on
the
suspension
and
expulsion
of
tennessee's
youngest
students,
those
from
pre-k
through
second
grade.
So
again,
this
is
only
for
pre-k
through
second
grade,
while
still
allowing
teachers
and
administrators
the
flexibility
to
remove
children
whose
who
pose
a
danger
to
others.
P
Each
year,
thousands
of
tennesseans
young
tennessee's
youngest
students
around
the
age
of
three
to
seven
years
old,
are
suspended
or
expelled
and
removed
from
school
environments.
For
example,
in
the
2018-2019
school
year
about
3
800
students,
kindergarten
through
second
grade
were
suspended
out
of
school
without
services.
According
to
tennessee
department
of
education,
research
shows
that
school
exclusion
can
have
a
devastating
effect
on
young
kids
and
decrease
the
likelihood
that
these
students
achieve
academic
success,
stay
in
school,
go
to
college
and
avoid
incarceration.
P
P
This
bill
would
simply
keep
our
students
that
are
in
pre-k
through
second
grade
inside
our
school
does
not
eliminate
in-school.
Suspension
does
not
alter
the
ability
to
have
a
behavioral
plan
created
for
them
in
any
kind
of
way.
Only
thing
it
does
is
make
sure
that
they
do
not
just
get
to
go
home,
watch
tv
and
eat
snacks,
while
they
could
be
learning
about
circles
and
squares.
F
F
One
of
one
of
our
colleagues
had
a
bill
that
I
thought
was
really
good,
but
I
raised
the
same
objection
with
that
bill.
I
have
to
point
out
to
you
that,
as
a
state,
we
have
delegated
the
authority
to
handle
this
issue
to
the
lowest
level
of
elected
officials,
the
lea
or
the
school
board,
and
for
us
to
take
it
back.
Essentially
the
message
we're
sending
is
they
can't
handle
it?
P
So
not
taking
away
the
local
authority
to
continue
to
create
a
suspension
process.
Obviously
suspending
is
going
to
be
a
necessary
piece
for
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
these
instances,
but
there's
in-school
suspension
that
could
be
created
or
you
utilized.
P
The
process
that
we're
taking
out
is
the
ability
to
suspend
them
and
send
them
home
for
three
days
to
take
away
three
days
worth
of
learning
experience
and
so
obviously
going
back
to
what
was
mentioned
earlier
in
2018
to
2019
the
school
year
about
3
800,
students
that
were
in
kindergarten
through
second
grade
were
suspended
out
of
the
school
without
services,
and
so
this
would
just
eliminate
that
that
being
a
feasible
situation,
they
would
still
be
suspended,
but
he
would
be
in
school
if
they
would
like
to
suspend
them.
F
Reagan,
thank
you
and
again
I
I
would
submit
to
you.
The
locals,
probably
need
to
handle
that
for
that
number
3000.
I
think
you
should
probably
cash
that
with
the
fact
that
there's
probably
300
000
students
in
that
in
that
age
range
attending
school,
so
as
a
percentage
is
incredibly
small.
F
K
I
would
probably
I
will
say
argue
I
would
probably
look
at
with
you,
those
3
000
children
that
were
sent
home
and
they've
probably
done
something
so
egregious
in
the
classroom
that
the
teacher
said
they
have
to
go
home
and
hopefully
they're
going
home
to
parents
who
can
react
with
their
teacher
and
their
principal
to
take
some
type
of
corrective
action
to
help
that
that
doesn't
that
doesn't
happen
again,
I'm
just
I
just
don't
think
I
can
be
with
you
on
this
one
take
away
the
local
control.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Any.
A
A
We
are
going
to
go
to
we're
going
to
take
up
what
we're
going
to
take
up
because
representative
carringer
does
have
a
guest,
that's
here
and
then
we'll
take
up,
then
we'll
go
back
to
those
that
are
in
the
audience
that
are
not
a
member
of
this
committee.
So
item
number
13
house
bill
2341
by
representative
carringer,
properly
motioned.
You
were
recognized.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
do
have
an
amendment
on
house
bill.
2341.
A
Is
it
drafting
code
zero,
one,
four,
eight,
nine,
three
correct
properly
motioned
without
objection,
members
we'll
go
ahead
and
vote
to
adopt
this
amendment.
All
those
in
favor,
please
indicate
by
saying
aye,
all's
opposed
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
your
bill
as
amended.
You
were
recognized.
J
J
Would
do
is
to
require
the
all
school
personnel
instead
of
only
teachers
be
trained,
at
least
once
every
three
years
on
the
detection,
intervention,
prevention
and
treatment
of
human
trafficking
in
which
the
victim
is
a
child
as
a
child.
So
we're
just
clarifying
that
if
the
lea
says
that
all
employees
that
are
that
deal
directly
with
the
students,
so
it's
kind
of
left
up
to
each
lea
to
to
decide
who
is
dealing
with
the
students,
and
I
do
have
some.
J
A
Q
Thank
you
so
much
y'all,
my
name
is
janine
carpenter.
I
am
the
director
of
research
and
policy
with
the
women's
fund
and
we
are
really
just
honored
to
be
able
to
bring
you
this
bill
and
I
don't
think
I'll
take
very
much
of
your
time.
I
know
how
much
you
have
to
get
through,
but
I
do
just
want
to
share
with
the
committee
the
history
of
the
spill,
which
is
in
2018.
Q
A
trafficking
ring
was
discovered
at
a
tennessee
high
school
and
it
was
discovered
by
a
graduation
coach
and
by
a
janitor
who
together,
had
witnessed
behavior
that
they
thought
was
erratic
from
students
from
their
coming
from
their
leaving
campus
and
returning
emotional
disturbance.
They
spoke
to
those
students.
Q
They
they
didn't
know
what
was
going
on,
where
the
students
being
truant
were
the
students
emotionally
distressed
because
of
trouble
at
home.
A
About
that
I
keep
accidentally,
my
hands
are
too
big
and
I
keep
hitting
the
buttons
I
don't
need
to
be
hitting
my
apologies.
Thank
you
for
that
members.
Do
you
have
anybody?
Have
any
questions
or
comments
for
our
guests
really
appreciate
your
patience
and
thanks
for
your
your
work
and
and
time
for
the
for
this?
Thank
you,
members.
Without
objection,
we
will
go
back
into
session
and
representative
carriager.
Do
you
have
anything
else
to
say.
A
Has
been
called
without
objection,
we'll
be
voting
on
house
bill
2341,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
I
was
supposed
to
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it
you're
on
a
full
education,
all
right
that
takes
us.
A
We're
going
to
try
to
knock
out
a
couple
more
guests
that
at
least
been
waiting
for
a
while
here
and
members
there
has
been
pizza,
ordered
sorry
to
the
guests
in
the
audience.
Unless
there's
a
five
fish
and
a
couple
of
loaves
miracle
out
there.
First,
we
don't
have
enough
for
everybody.
A
P
R
R
K
Okay,
go
ahead
members.
I
think
this
committee
would
agree
that
that
now
more
than
ever
as
a
critical
need
for.
O
R
Our
former
chairman
delores
gresham
and
chairman
kumar
requested
a
a
study
and
it
found
that
only
a
third
of
our
nurses
in
tennessee
are
placed
on
a
certified
salary
schedule.
According
to
their
study,
we
do
face
a
crisis
of
nurses
shortages
in
this
state
and
we
all
want
the
same
thing:
in-person
instruction
for
students
in
a
healthy
learning
environment,
and
I
think
this.
A
Support.
Thank
you
for
that
members.
Any
questions
on
the
bill.
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor
question
has
been
called
without
objection,
we'll
be
voting
on
house
bill,
22
53,
all
those
in
favor
indicate
by
saying
aye,
I
was
supposed
to
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it
you're
over
full
education.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you.
All
right
item
number
29,
we'll
go
to
item
number
29
house
bill
2774
by
chairman
todd.
A
Right,
that's
properly
motioned
and
without
objection
members
does
it
make
the
bill.
It
does
not
all
right,
go
ahead
and
explain
your
amendment
before
you
adopt
it.
Please:
okay,.
M
This
the
amendment
just
has
a
is
a
clarification
about,
subject
to
appropriation,
so
that
there's
no
nothing
being
misconstrued
here,
that
this
is
going
to
be
guaranteed
funding
or
anything
like
that.
A
M
M
The
tennessee
department
of
education
received
federal,
arp
esser
dollars
to
do
two
things:
support
school
districts
and
their
expenditures
of
federal
arp
funds
and
combat
learning
loss
due
to
covet
19..
This
legislation
seeks
to
support
the
second
goal,
essentially
closing
the
gap
between
the
department
of
education,
who
holds
these
federal
dollars
and
the
students
who
need
these
dollars
to
compa
combat
their
learning
loss
due
to
cobin
19..
M
M
M
G
G
M
Todd
they
have
there's
a
definition
in
the
bill
of
what
the
contractor
is
and
there's
more
description.
Given
there
for
the
specifics
of
these
contractors
to
implement
this
program,
and
again
I
can.
I
can
pull
out
bits
and
pieces
of
that
of
what
those
definitions
are.
If
there's
something
very
specific.
G
You
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
As
I
read
the
definition
of
contractor,
it
means
an
individual
or
entity
with
whom
the
department
enters
into
a
contract.
So
I
guess
that
decision
is
the
department.
The
answer
is
the
department's
going
to
decide
with
whom
they
contract.
That,
I
think
that's.
The
answer
to
my
question.
Is
that
right?
Yes,
okay,
thanks!
That's
that's
my
fault
for
not
reading
that
definition.
K
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this
idea
of
yours
here.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
here
is
you've
got
you've
got
child
care
services
in
here
is
that
in
the
that
this
grant
could
be
used
for
child
care
services.
K
Asking
because,
on
the
amendment
it
talks
about
you
removed
a
language
of
eligible
education,
expense
allow
for
payment,
a
grant
program
to
remove
the
computer
hardware
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
in
the
in
the
in
the
bill.
It
talks
about
textbooks,
curriculum
or
other
instructional
materials,
child
care
services,
educational
therapy
services,
including
not
limited
to
occupational
behavior
physical
speech,
language
audio.
K
K
A
Can
you
clarify
what
you
were
needing
legal
to
to
look
into.
K
About
eligible
eligible
things,
it's
right
here
right
here:
49
6,
3802,
3,
3,
c,
r,
3
c
and
d.
It
says
textbooks,
curriculum
and
other
instructional
materials
and
child
care
services.
K
M
Thank
you
for
that.
I
don't
have
the
fine
details,
because
I
think
these
esr
dollars
already
have
certain
guidelines
that
are
required,
and
this
is
just
trying
to
comply
with
that
and
give
the
flexibility.
As
those
definitions
come
down.
K
K
I
would
not
want
to
provide
three
thousand
dollars
for
child
care
services
that
parents
would
just
put
their
children
in
child
care
services
that
may
not
have
the
same
type
of
educational
outcomes
that
you
have
in
other
parts
and
then
the
textbooks
and
curriculum
that's
already
provided
by
the
lea.
So
I
would
be
more
comfortable
in
in
the
theory
of
this.
If
we
could
take
those
two
things
out
and
everything
else
looks
like
it's
going
to
be.
Okay,
but
that's
just
it's
your
bill.
It's
your
bill.
M
Chairman
todd,
the
thing
I
cannot
ascertain
standing
here
today
is
whether
or
not
those
those
have
to
be
in
there
to
qualify
for
these
funds,
and
I
would
need
to
make
sure
that
you
know,
certainly
if
it
goes
on
the
full,
we'll
we'll
make
sure
all
those
things
are
clarified
with
the
department
and
and
they
know
where
that,
how
that
money
is
earmarked
and
exactly
what
strings
come
attached,
so
we'll
identify
those
strings
for
sure.
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
A
Any
other
questions
seeing
none
will
be
voting
on
house
bill
2774..
All
those
a
favor,
please
indicate
by
saying
aye
I'll
suppose
say
no.
I
was
having
on
the
full
education.
Thank
you
for
sharing
with
me
members
we're
going
to
take
one
more
bill,
and
then
I
will
get
you
out
of
here.
I
know
it's
a
late
night,
but
we're
going
to
try
to.
I
did
I
needed
I
needed
to
say
on
item
number.
A
What
was
item
number
24
house
bill
1586
with
the
objection
is
off
notice,
and
that
brings
us
to
item
number
20.
B
A
A
What
bill
is
it
house
bill?
1586
item
number
24.,
leader
camper,
my
apologies,
it's
been.
It's
been
a
long
time
you
were
recognized
on
we
did
it
is
properly
before
us.
B
Mr
chairman
and
committee,
thank
you
all
so
much.
I
was
texting
the
deputy
speaker
at
the
time,
so
I
wasn't
paying
quite
attention
when
you
call
the
number,
but
I
am
excited
to
be
here
to
talk
to
you
about
this
bill,
because
this
was
senator
yarborough's
and
I
bep
bill,
and
it
was
our
goal
to
really
look
at
revamping
the
bep
formula
and
what
I
believe
led
the
governor
to
make
his
decision
to
do.
Tsa.
B
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
you
all's
dialogue,
the
rest
of
the
way
on
the
new
formula,
but
the
governor
did
say
that
he
was
looking
at
revamping
the
formula
he
you
know
did
all
the
task
force
and-
and
now
here
we
are
today
looking
at
a
new
formula,
so
we
we're
going
to
take
the
bill
off
notice,
but
if
you
need
us
to
keep
it
on
notice
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
formula
right,
we
can
do
that
too.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
G
As
we
continue
discussing
that
next
week,
I
think
that's
an
interesting
comparison
and
really
gives
you
it's
not
identical,
but
it's
similar
enough
to
get
a
realistic
perception
or
representation
of
dollars
associated
with
the
cost
of,
what's
being
alleged
to
be
included
in
teacher
accomplished
in
the
base
of
tisa
versus
the
actual
numbers
of
that
bill,
and
the
fiscal
note
on
that
piece
of
legislation.
So
I
would
just
encourage
my
colleagues
take
a
look
at
that,
even
if
it's
taken
off
notice.
Thank
you.
K
And
I
do
agree
with
my
colleague
from
davidson
county
even
doing
the
research
on
this.
Unfortunately,
your
bill
has
raised
more
questions
about
tisa
that
we
have
to
work
through,
and
so,
as
I've
spoken
before,
I
am
in
no
hurry
my
job,
our
job.
Excuse
me,
our
job
is
to
get
it
right
for
the
kids
of
tennessee,
and
so
thank
you
for
running
this
and
I'm
sure
the
governor
will
be
calling
you
shortly
about
your
statement
there.
But
I
appreciate
you
running
this
and
we
need
to
just
make
sure
it's
right.
B
So
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
this
bill
appreciate
the
comments
from
my
colleague,
and
I
look
forward
to
you
know
seeing
this
go
the
rest
of
the
way
with
the
teaser
funded,
and
hopefully
we
can
take
some
of
the
great
things
out
of
our
formula
that
we
have
now
and
inculcate
them
into
this
new
formula.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
it.
A
Without
objection
members,
we
will
be
taking
this
off
notice.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
sorry
that
I
gaveled
you
too
soon
I
will.
I
will
make
sure
to
make
it
up
for
you
at
that
at
some
point
in
time.
My
apologies
without
objection,
members
we'll
be
taking
house
bill,
1586
off
notice.
A
E
Yes,
sir,
it's
you
have
one
five,
four,
zero
six.
A
That's
what
I
have
and
it
does
rewrite
the
bill,
correct,
correct
all
right,
probably
motion
without
objection,
members
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
this
on
the
bill.
I
will
be
voting
to
adopt
amendment
one
five,
four,
zero.
Six,
all
those
in
favor
indicate
by
saying
aye,
as
opposed
to
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
your
bill
as
amended
chairman.
What.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
committee,
and
I
know,
we've
been
here
two
hours
and
now
keep
this
light.
I
go
into
as
deep
of
detail
in
history
as
you
would
like,
but
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
a
little
background.
This
is
a
bill
that
I've
been
working
on
for
a
number
of
years.
It's
really
been
before
us
for
the
pa
for
the
past
nine,
and
so
last
year
last
year
we
I
had
this
bill
and
I
pulled
it
off
notice
with
the
premise
that
I
would
work
with
the
parties
back
home.
E
This
is
a
local
bill
in
our
shelby
in
shelby
county
and
that
I
would
work
with
the
parties
back
home
to
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
solution
so
starting
in
last
may,
when
we
finished
session,
I
held
13
meetings
negotiations
between
germantown,
the
city
of
germantown.
I
have
the
mayor
of
germantown
here
with
me
today.
He
was
in
those
meetings
as
well
as
representatives
from
the
shelby
county
schools,
and
so
the
issue
before
us
is
when
we
created
the
municipal
school
system
back
in
2013.
E
I
don't
know
if
all
you
all
know,
but
in
shelby
county
we
have
seven
municipalities,
memphis
being
the
big
one
we
have
germantown,
which
I
represent:
lakeland
arlington,
caryville,
bartlett
and
millington.
So
we
have
seven
municipalities
in
2013
the
general
assembly
created
where
the
municipalities
could
have
their
own
school
systems,
and
so
we
set
it
up.
Then
in
2013,
though,
at
that
time
the
three
legacy
schools
that
were
called
germantown
elementary
germantown
middle
and
germantown
high
school
were
kept
in
the
shelby
county
school
system.
E
Ever
since
that
time
we
won't
have
negotiations
at
one
point
in
time,
we'd
like
to
move
those
schools
into
the
jurisdiction
of
of
the
city
of
germantown.
They
said
in
the
city
of
germantown,
and
so
I
have
worked
all
summer
and
fall
with
all
parties
and,
to
be
frank,
and
to
be
honest,
all
the
parties
have
encouraged
me
to
move
forward
this
legislation
on
both
sides.
E
We
are
we,
everyone
has
agreed
on
about
every
single
point
it
got.
It
gets
down
now
to
a
matter
of
the
final
negotiations,
which
is
funding
which
we
haven't
in
this
bill,
and
so
I'm
asking
this
committee
to
help
me
move
this
bill
forward
so
that
we
can
finalize
this
process
it
is
in.
It
is
an
attorney
general's
opinion
that
one
lea
cannot
operate
in
the
jurisdiction
of
another
lea
that
was
back
in
september
20th
of
2017..
E
Everyone
has
been
in
total
agreement
that
we
take
care
of
the
students
in
those
schools
first,
that
they
would
continue
to
go
there
to
work
out
the
agreement
to
matriculate
out,
so
the
students
are
taken
care
of,
but
being
that
the
buildings
in
the
property
exist
or
are
located
within
the
municipality
of
germantown.
They
would
like
to
have
ownership
and
management
of
these
buildings
again
and
that's
kind
of
a
30
000
foot
view.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
white.
One
of
the
reasons
I
wanted
to
get
to
this
bill
is.
We
did
have
somebody
that
had
requested
to
testify
on
this
that
has
been
waiting
patiently,
so
we
without
objection.
We
will
go
out
of
session
and
invite
mr
thompson
up
we're
out
of
session.
R
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
tony
thompson.
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
memphis
shelby,
county
school
system
and
specifically
on
behalf
of
3
300
children
that
attend
the
three
schools
in
question:
germantown
elementary
middle
school
and
high
school
and
chairman
white.
You
know
I've
been
working
together
a
long
time
since
you've
been
here,
and
I
have
the
most
respect
for
you
and-
and
I
hate
to
take
disagree
with
some
of
the
things
you
said,
but
I
have
to
disagree
with
some
of
the
things
you
said
to
represent
my
client.
R
My
client
no
way
has
said
they
want
this
bill
passed.
We
are
adamantly
opposed
to
this
bill.
Let
me
make
that
clear.
In
1964
these
schools
started
to
be
built
it's
over
50
years
ago.
In
2013
the
municipals
decided
they
wanted
to
create
their
own
school
systems
at
that
time,
shelby
county,
not
my
client,
but
the
county
and
the
city
of
memphis
brought
a
lawsuit
based
on
constitutional
reasons
that
they
were
unconstitutionally
going
to
racially
discriminate
and
separate
and
create
these
law
these
these
school
systems.
R
That
dispute
was
ultimately
agreed
to.
We
ultimately
reached
an
agreement
in
a
federal
court
and
what
happened
was
each
municipality
was
able
to
work
something
out
and
the
only
question
my
client
asked
these
municipalities
to
create
these
school
systems
was.
Do
you
agree
to
educate
the
children
in
these
schools
and
one
by
one?
Everyone
said
yes,
millington
said:
there's
one
close
to
the
county
line.
R
That
was
all
we
cared
about
was
that
the
kids
that
were
zoned
to
attend
and
that
do
attend
these
schools
were
able
to
continue
to
go
to
school.
There,
chairman
white,
referenced
the
attorney
general's
opinion
and
I'll.
Tell
you
it's
a
red
herring.
It's
a
total
red
herring
doesn't
even
apply
here.
The
reason
is
that
attorney
general's
opinion
was
sought
when
we
shelby
county
schools
approved
authorized
a
charter
school
that
charter
school
attempted
to
go
into
another,
lea
and
open
up
a
school.
R
That's
not
allowed
that's
what
the
opinion
said.
You
cannot
go
into,
you,
cannot
open
and
operate.
We
never
opened.
We
were
open
long
time
before
germantown.
In
fact,
germantown
school
system
wouldn't
be
there
unless
we
agreed
to
settle
a
lawsuit
so
to
imply
that
we're
operating
in
bad
faith
is
just
you
know,
not
the
case.
We
have
the
right
to
be
there.
We
were
there
first
we're
taking
care
of
the
kids.
R
We
met
13
times
and
the
reason
we
didn't
reach
an
agreement
is
because,
for
the
same
reason
that
we
went
into
into
court
and
settled
and
settled
the
agreement,
the
way
we
settled
it
is
that
they
didn't
agree
to
educate
the
kids
in
perpetuity,
and
all
we
care
about
is
the
is
the
replacement,
the
transition,
the
replacement
cost
transition
and
minimize
the
redu
disruption
for
these
kids.
The
amendment
don't
be
fooled
by
the
amendment
where
it
says
it
must
be
used
for
education.
A
R
30
more
seconds-
I
don't
know
the
mayor
of
germantown,
I'm
sure
he's
a
good
man,
but
I
know
this
is
a
huge
political
issue
and
this
bill
would
be
unconstitutional
in
the
sense
that
article
1,
section
10
says
that
no
state
may
pass
a
law
that
impairs
the
obligations
of
a
contract.
We
have
the
contract.
I
mean
the
contract
is
the
agreement
of
settlement
and
compromise.
R
R
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I'm
curious
as
to
you
talked
about
the
lawsuit
that
ensued
earlier
this
past
decade
and
the
settlement
that
was
reached.
Can
you
just
briefly
give
us
a
context
of
the
grounds
legal
grounds
for
that
lawsuit
and
then,
to
the
extent
you
can,
I
doubt
it's
confidential,
but
what
that,
what
the
exact
settlement
was
that
was
agreed
to
by
germantown.
R
Yes,
sir,
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
what
the
the
lawsuit
was
based
upon,
but
it
was
a
constitutional
argument
based
upon
racial
discrimination
that
they
were
trying
to
separate
themselves
from
the
rest
of
shelby
county.
The
gist
of
the
agreement
and
compromise
of
settlement
compromise
and
settlement
is
that
we
keep
three.
They
get
five
schools,
we
keep
three
schools,
they
get
five
schools,
they
make
some
payments.
R
We
take
over
all
the
opeb
liability
for
the
entire
county
for
that
matter,
and
there
may
have
been
another
thing
or
two
in
here,
but
we
agreed
to
supervise
and
manage
the
three
schools
they
agreed
to
supervise
and
manage
the
five
schools.
Again,
they
don't
need
the
schools,
but
that's
the
agreement.
G
R
No
sir,
there's
not,
and
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
that,
because
there
is
a
part
of
the
settlement
agreement
that
says
any
disputes
that
arise
as
a
result
of
this
settlement
agreement
need
to
be
settled
in
the
federal
district
court.
So
they
may
be
in
violation
by
even
attempting
this
effort.
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
think
a
case
or
an
argument
could
be
made
that
they're,
in
violation
of
the
current
agreement
by
asking
you
all
to
take
action
that
undoes
their
agreement
of
compromising
settlement.
G
A
Emails
any
questions
for
our
guests
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
thompson.
Seeing
with
no
objection,
we
will
go
back
into
session
chairman
white.
Do
you
have
any
follow-up.
E
Thank
you,
and
I
I
was
someone
asked
a
question
too,
did
the
mayor,
germantown
or
anyone
that
put
their
name
on
the
list
for
the
24
24-hour
notice
they
did
not
okay.
Well,
let
me
let
me
respond
to
to
what
was
was
just
said
by
the
by
the
lobbyists.
What
I
am
here
to
mention
to
you.
Let
me
just
make
a
couple
points.
E
When
we
got
the
attorney
general's
opinion,
the
question
was:
may
a
local
education
agency
lea
open
and
operate
a
public
school
within
the
jurisdictional
boundaries
of
another
lea
the
opinion
was
no
an
lea,
has
no
inherent
power
and
is
not
expressly
or
implied
ortho
applied,
authorized
by
statute
to
open
and
operate
a
public
school
within
the
jurisdictional
boundaries
another
another
lea
all.
That
is
to
say
this.
We've
been
trying
to
work
this
out
for
a
number
of
years.
E
E
These
13
meetings
have
had
it's
been
a
representative
of
the
shelby
county
school
board.
It's
been
a
leadership
staff
of
of
the
shelby
county
schools.
I
even
had
one
meeting
with
the
superintendent
in
there,
as
well
as
the
representatives
from
from
the
city
of
germantown,
and
it
was
agreed
by
everyone
that
we
would
protect
the
students.
The
students
could
continue
to
go
there
throughout
and
matriculate
out
through
over
the
years.
If
that
is
a
desire
of
both
systems,
so
the
students
are
protected.
E
Once
again,
what
I'm
here
to
explain
to
you
is
as
a
the
representative
of
this
is
that
all
parties
have
encouraged
me,
because
I've
said
you
know,
can
y'all
not
work
this
out
amongst
yourselves,
and
so
I
don't
have
to
bring
legislation
and
make
it
appear
like
some
of
the
things
that
are
being
said,
and
they
said
we
prefer
that
you
carry
this
piece
of
legislation
to
make
this
happen
and
where
everybody's
going
to
work
together
and
do
what's
right
thing
for
the
children,
but
also
they've,
asked
me
to
push
forward
on
this
bill
and
that's
why.
L
E
If
something
would
happen
to
the
buildings
or
shelby
county
would
want
to
do
something
else,
because
many
of
these,
especially
in
high
school
many
of
these
students,
are
brought
in
from
other
areas
and
that's
their
their
decision
on
that,
but
that
has
been
number
one.
When
I
carry
the
bill
last
year,
I
said
the
only
way
I
care
this
bill.
Is
you
protect
the
students?
First,
don't
disrupt
their
lives,
and
everyone
on
both
sides
was
very
much
in
agreement
on
that.
L
E
From
what
I
understand-
and
let's
make
sure
that
I
had
a
point-
I
just
forgot
it,
but
the
discussion
so
far
has
been
the
current
students
would
matriculate
at
it
at
some
point,
maybe
12
13
years,
but
the
the
discussion
has
always
been
amongst
all
parties,
and
everybody
was
was
was
okay
with.
That
is
that
the
students
would
be
protected,
and
now
my
point
was
this
bill
will
not
take
effect
until
july,
first
of
2023,
which
gives
them
another
year.
This
will
not
go
into
effect.
E
A
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
and
chairman
white.
I
understand
you're
in
the
difficult
position
of
being
the
messenger
here
I
think
and
doing
being
a
good
representative
and
carrying
out
what
your
folks
have
asked
you
to
do.
I
think
that's
commendable
and
that's
what
I
think
we
all
try
to
do
so
you're
in
a
tough
tough
position,
and
I
I
acknowledge
that
and
respect
it.
G
I
think,
based
on
I
haven't
read
that
ag
opinion
just
quite
honestly,
but
based
on
what
you
read,
it
does
seem
to
be
distinguishing
from
this
scenario
on
the
legal
basis
without
having
read
it
just
based
on
the
portion
you
read,
but
my
question.
Then
he
goes
back
to
the
settlement
agreement.
G
What
I'm
assuming
was
probably
in
federal
court
in
a
federal
court
settlement
which
carries
a
great
deal
of
weight
for
lawyers,
did
did
the
municipality
attempt
to
comply
with
the
terms
of
that
settlement
to
resolve
this
dispute
before
seeking
legislation?
Did
they
do
what
was
in
the
terms
of
the
settlement
agreement?
Before
coming
to
you,
I
guess
I'm
asking.
E
We
we
started
hosting
negotiations
for
for
13
different
times
over
six
month
period,
and
they
went
really
really
well
and
we're
just
about
there
over
the
goal
post,
but
the
negotiations
just
wouldn't
take
place
until
that's
a
lot
of
times.
While
we
run
legislation
to
get
people
to
the
table,
and
so
I've
been
very
encouraged
by
both
I
represent
both
the
shelby
county
school
system
and
as
well
as
the
germantown
municipality
and
trying
to
work
this
out.
E
E
Going
forward-
and
that's
basically
what
we're
asking
for
here,
it's
all
about
the
students
anyway,
but
these
these
are.
I've
lived
in
memphis
since
1966,
and
just
knowing
the
history
of
this
community
and
what
these
schools
mean
to
the
community
of
germantown,
the
shelby
county
school
system
to
their
credit,
they're
they're,
doing
a
reimagine
901
program
and
one
of
their
one
of
their
goals
is
to
create
more
neighborhood
schools,
and
I
commend
them
for
that.
E
Both
sides
says
we
need
you,
we
need.
We
need
the
legislation
to
to
make
something
happen,
because
right
now
we're
just
not
going
anywhere.
G
Clemens,
quick
follow-up,
yep,
quick
follow-up,
so
I
guess
that's
I
I
agree.
We
sometimes
bring
legislation
to
bring
people
to
the
table,
but
in
in
the
context
of
when
you
got
a
federal
court
and
you
got
a
settlement
in
federal
court,
especially
on
a
matter
of
serious,
is
this.
I
don't
know
that
bringing
legislation
is
the
best
way
to
address
that,
especially
if
the
settlement
document
stipulates
other
reasons.
That's
that
gives
me
a
lot
of
heartburn
and
so
I'm
concerned
about
that.
G
I'm
also
with
regard
to
my
colleagues
question
about
the
the
kids.
We
talked
about
3,
300,
kids.
I
believe
that
the
number
was,
where
are
those
kids
gonna
go
and
you
say
they're
going
to
matriculate
through
the
school
are
if
as
they
matriculate
up
so
if
a
kid's
in
first
grade
now-
and
he
goes
in
fifth
grade-
there's
gonna
be
no
classes
behind
them
in
that
school
building.
G
They'll
just
be
empty
first
through
fourth
grade
and,
if
so
watch
out,
because
if
williams
bill
passes,
they're
gonna
turn
into
our
charter
school
on
you,
but
is
that
the
case
is
that
school
will
be
empty
and
are
they
really
looking
for
the
land
itself
well
and
closing
that
school
down
so
go
ahead?
I'm
done
mr
well.
E
At
some
point,
these
are
40
to
50
year
old
buildings,
they're
out
of
date,
and
at
some
point
there
there
needs
to
be
new
school
buildings
on
on
these
pieces
of
property.
So
there
would
be
well.
These
properties
will
probably
have
to
be
demolished.
When
we're
you
know,
half
half
century
old
and
put
humans
up.
K
F
Chairman
reagan,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
think
this
may
be
a
question
for
legal,
so
if
we
could
go
out
of
session,
so
I
can
ask
the
question.
I
appreciate
it
all
right
without
objection.
Is
it
illegal?
My
question
concerns
the
citation
that
was
mentioned
earlier.
The
constitution
of
the
state
of
tennessee
article
11,
section
2,
prevents
us
from
impairing
a
contract
and
a
bill
that
I
presented
in
another
committee
just
today
that
topic
came
up.
B
G
A
Any
other
questions
about
us
about.
We
are
out
of
session
without
objection
back
in
session
representative
love,
you
had
a
question
for
the
sponsor.
I.
L
I
did
for
the
sponsor,
and
maybe
for
tony
whoever
can
answer
it.
Hopefully
you
have
the
same
answer:
can
these
children,
who
know
will
no
longer
be
enrolled
at
the
school
this?
This
group
of
kids
are
going
to
be
phased
out,
the
kids
who
would
be
attending
there?
L
E
Yeah,
of
course,
I've
got
data
here
in
the
high
schools
that
they
definitely
could
based
upon
enrollment.
E
L
At
some
point
they
won't
be
kids
to
a
zone
to
germantown
high
going
to
germantown
high.
So
someone
has
to
absorb
those
kids
if
that
makes
sense.
So,
like
the
new
class
starts,
as
my
colleague
was
talking
about,
you
cut
off
at
a
certain
period
and
say:
okay,
no
more
kids
to
be
allowed
in
school,
because
we
got
to
phase
these
kids
out
and
can't
start
anymore.
L
E
E
R
I
have
the
text
messages
here
from
general
counsel,
so
we
do
not
support
the
bill
to
answer
the
question
about.
Can
we
absorb
the
schools?
That's
the
whole
issue
as
to
why
we
haven't
been
able
to
make
a
deal
to
sell
these
three
properties
out
of
the
3
300
or
so
students
we
can
absorb.
We
think
my
understanding
is
the
elementary
school
kids
and
the
middle
school
kids,
but
we
need
a
new
high
school,
a
new
high
school
collierville
just
down
the
road
built,
a
new
high
school
for
110
million
dollars.
R
Sarah
kelsey
referred
to
it
as
the
taj
mahal.
We
wouldn't
even
want
the
taj
mahal
y'all.
We
would
just
want
high
school
the
properties.
As
I
understand
it,
will
appraise
right
now
for
around
maybe
25
to
30
million
dollars
for
all
three.
It
costs
about
70
to
90
million
dollars
to
build
a
high
school.
R
I
you
know,
I
have
no
authority
to
settle
this,
but
if
they
offered
us
enough
money
to
build
high
school
and
the
time
to
build
it,
I
would
imagine
we
wouldn't
be
here,
and
so
that's
the
bottom
line
and-
and
so
the
the
point
is,
is
that
it's
about
land
for
them?
It's
about
kids
for
us
and
that's
the
bottom
line.
E
Were
recognized,
thank
you
in
committee.
We
won't
belabor
the
point
too
much
too
much
longer,
but
these
are
45
50
year
old
buildings,
no
community
has
the
ability
to
hand
over
to
another
system
and
build
them
a
40
50,
110
million
dollar
school
system
that
that's
just
just
impossible
when
the
value
of
the
land.
I
can
give
you
depreciation
and
deferred
maintenance
on
these
on
these
properties,
but
I
won't
belabor
the
point
right
now.
Bottom
line
is
I'm
trying
to
bring
this
to
where
we
can.
E
We
can
have
all
parties
happy
and
so
far
we've
got
all
parties
happy
up
to
the
point.
We've
got
to
work
out
a
few
more
details.
It's
going
to
take
legislation
like
this,
so
that
we
that
we
can
keep
everybody
at
the
table
and
we'll
work
as
work.
E
This
out,
we
are
concerned
about
the
students
primarily,
but
these
buildings
are
in
the
municipality
of
a
community
that
wants
to
manage
their
own
schools
and
that's
what
all
I'm
asking
for
if
you'll
help
me
get
this
out
of
committee
and
we'll
keep
moving
this
through,
it's
got
to
go
through
the
senate
also,
so
we
got
you
know
little
ways
to
go,
but
we
will
continue
to
give
you
the
facts.