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House Education Administration Committee- March 9, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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D
If
you
would
bow
with
me,
please,
dear
heavenly
father,
our
lord
and
savior
jesus
christ,
we
give
praise
and
thanks
to
you
for
allowing
us
to
come
together
today
to
do
the
interest
of
our
people
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
We
pray
for
our
children
in
this
country.
We
pray
for
those
children
in
ukraine
and
all
over
the
world.
They
need
us,
they
need
for
us
to
be
role
models
as
well
as
setting
policies
for
them.
We
look
forward
to
heavenly
father
to
see
them
blossom
and
be
the
best
they
can
be.
B
Thank
you
very
much
members
as
we
begin
discussion,
if
you're
like
me,
we're
moving
at
the
speed
of
light
and-
and
I'm
constantly
keep
reminding
myself
of
these
bills,
this
we're
going
to
take
it
slow
and
easy.
B
No,
not
not
any
big
hurry.
So
if
you
have
questions,
let's
ask
the
questions:
let's
flush,
these
bills
out
make
sure
we
know
what
we're
doing
before
we
vote
on
any
and
when
you
do
vote,
just
make
your
yays
or
nays
heard.
So
we
can
make
the
right
decision
from
the
chair
on
the
direction.
The
committee
wants
to
go,
we're
going
to
start
work
where
we
left
off
last
week.
We
ran
out
of
time
and
on
our
calendar,
pick
back
up
with
those
bills
that
we,
where
we
stopped
and
understand.
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E
Members
house
bill
1669
requires
the
tennessee
higher
education
commission
to
submit
a
report
to
the
governor
and
speakers
of
the
senate
house
representatives
by
december
31
2023
on
issues
of
food
insecurity
among
students
at
public
institutions
of
higher
education
in
this
state
identifies
and
describes
efforts
of
the
institutions
to
address
food
security
insecurity
among
students
in
2019.
A
study
revealed
the
university
of
tennessee
system
that
33.8
of
students
were
food
insecure.
E
That's
one
out
of
every
three
students
at
the
university
of
tennessee
identified
as
food
insecure
chairman.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
this
point
and
look
forward
to
a
favorable
outcome.
B
E
Have
they
they
were
in
incur?
I
worked
with
them
two
years
ago.
Coveted
got
this
and
we
got
to
a
point
to
where
they're
comfortable
with
legislation
and
they're
in
support.
B
Of
it
excellent
members,
questions
of
representative
jernigan
on
his
bill
questions
been
called
any
objections
here
in
all
those
in
favor
moving
house
bill,
1669
out
the
calendar
rules
in
the
campaign
saying
I
opposed
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you,
sir
chairman
members
have
a
good
day.
Thank
you.
How
about
item
number
two
house
bill
2115.
E
You
chairman
house,
bill
2115,
will
remove
a
geographical
proximity
requirement
for
dual
admissions
students
after
this
is
removed,
they'll
be
able
to
to
dual
enroll
in
community
colleges
or
universities,
regardless
of
what
the
proximity
or
their
location
is,
and
with
that
the
bill
will
ensure
students
not
only
can
transfer
their
course
credits,
but
more
take
advantage
of
consistent
advising
resources,
financial
aid
process,
enrollment
management
policies
across
both
the
community
college
and
university
from
day
one
and
this
policy
comes
from
the
results
of
the
study
for
the
education
recovery.
B
For
our
education,
recovery,
innovation,
commission,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
with
that
explanation.
Members.
Any
questions
about
to
represent
eldridge,
so
basically
the
dual
enrollment
course
you
you
take
that
credit
wherever
you're
in
the
state
to
any
type
of
that
he
can't
that's.
E
That's
correct
that
you
can
enroll
if
you
can
get
a
class
at
your
local
community
college,
but
you
need
a
class,
maybe
that's
offered
at
ut
and
knoxville
or
or
chattanooga
that
you
can
you
can
you
can
do
that.
B
B
Item
number
three:
you
also
have
25
82,
president
eldridge,
you
got
a
motion
and
a
second
I
see
you
do
have
an
amendment
which
one
are
you
bringing
before
us.
B
B
E
Chairman
with
this
particular
bill,
this
change
would
allow
in
a
situation
where
there's
been
a
an
allegation
of
child
abuse,
and
it
comes
from
from
someone
who
is
in
you
know,
employed
in
the
school,
and
it's
also
concerning
maybe
another
employee
in
that
school
it'll
allow
them
to
go
around
the
the
the
child
abuse
coordinator
for
that
that
that
particular
school
or
school
system,
so
it
would
allow
them
to
go
directly
to
dcs
or
to
law
enforcement
without
becoming
involved
with
the
coordinator.
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E
Thank
you
chairman.
That's
that's
correct.
That
could
be
a
pretty
ugly
situation,
maybe
where
it's
two
employees
or
a
former
employee
and
you're.
I
think
it
would
just
eliminate
that
a
problem
inside
the
school
system
for
everybody
involved
and
it
might
it
might
even
cause
in
in
the
situation
I
can
see
where
it
might
cause
someone
to
be
reluctant
to
report.
E
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
dcs's
position
is
supportive.
They
are
supportive.
Yes,
thank
you.
Members
further
discussion.
B
F
We
are
adding
thank
you,
chairman
amendment
number
014746,.
B
That's
correct:
this
does
not
rewrite
the
bill;
it
just
changes
it
from
what
I'm
looking
at.
Can
I
have
a
motion?
Second,
on
the
amendment.
Second,
okay,
would
you
like
to
explain
the
amendment
first.
F
Be
great,
thank
you
originally.
When
we
first
wrote
that
bill,
we
were
asking
for
80,
which
is
total
amount
that
goes
into
the
education
fund
from
the
lottery,
so
we've
just
amended
that
to
be
40
percent.
B
Okay
members
with
that
description,
then
we
can
talk
about
the
bills.
Anybody
want
to
represent
gillespie.
E
B
Now
this
doesn't
rewrite
the
bill
members.
This
is
a
change
in
what
the
bill
is
asking
for.
So
this
point
in
time
would
would
we
like
to
add
the
amendment
on
the
bill
and
discuss
the
bill
or
have
a
motion
in
a
second
on
that
or
we
got
a
motion.
Second,
any
objection
to
that
motion
in
a
second
hearing:
none
all
those
in
favor
adding
amendment
one
four,
seven,
four,
six
to
the
bill
for
discussion
and
it
keeps
saying
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
This
proposal,
as
amended,
would
redirect
40
of
the
revenues
from
sports
gambling
to
an
account
administered
by
the
department
of
education
to
fund
additional
pre-k
pre-k
classrooms.
40
of
the
revenues
would
continue
to
be
deposited
into
the
lottery
by
the
way
representative
gillespie.
That's
where
that
word
came
from,
I'm
sorry
for
educational
account.
F
Applications
must
demonstrate
high
quality,
knee
high
quality
need
and
the
ability
to
staff
the
classrooms
and
the
department
is
encouraged
to
prioritize
grants
for
school
districts
within
counties
recognized
as
distressed
or
at
risk.
Currently
39
rural
counties,
and
I
do
have
someone
from
my
district
from
kingsport
who
would
I
would
like
you
to
hear
from
her.
Her
name
is
amy
doran
and
she's
coordinator
of
early
childhood
learning.
B
G
I
am
amy
doran,
I'm
the
coordinator
of
early
childhood
for
kingsport
city
schools
in
kingsport.
Okay,
you
may
begin
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
having
me.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
with
you
today
about
the
success
that
we
are
having
in
kingsport
in
our
voluntary
pre-k
program.
We
know
it's
making
a
difference.
We
offer
high
quality
instruction.
G
G
Each
year,
at
the
end
of
pre-k
and
prior
to
starting
kindergarten,
we
assess
our
children
using
the
bracken
school
readiness
assessment.
This
past
year
the
children
who
started
in
august
we
sent
95
percent
proficient
or
above
95
percent,
went
to
school
ready
for
kindergarten
from
our
voluntary
pre-k
programs.
G
We
actually
have
100
in
a
unit
utilization
rate,
meaning
that
100
of
our
children
in
our
pre-k
programs
are
from
low-income
families
by
the
way,
and
we
have
a
waiting
list
waiting
to
get
in
there
this
year.
Halfway
through
the
year,
we
did
a
mid-year
benchmark
assessment
in
february
just
a
few
weeks
ago
and
we
scored
at
93
proficient
advanced
already.
G
I
can
attribute
this
to
the
fact
that
our
teachers
are
highly
skilled,
most
have
master's
degrees
in
early
childhood
and
they
stay
with
us
year
after
year.
So
we
have
experience
too.
We
have
a
great
deal
of
support,
also
from
our
state
department,
through
voluntary
pre-k.
In
addition
to
to
the
children,
we
also
embrace
the
families.
G
We
believe
that
the
families
are
the
child's
first
teacher
and
we
are
their
learning
partner,
so
it's
very
important
that
we
bring
them
into
their
child's
learning
and
by
doing
so,
we
feel
like
we
are
helping
these
children
hopefully
find
their
way
out
of
poverty
because
we're
educating
them
while
we're
educating
their
children.
Unfortunately,
I
can
only
meet
the
needs
for
200
children
each
year
through
voluntary
pre-k.
G
That's
the
funding
that
I
have
and
we
have
600
kindergarten
spots,
so
we
are
in
our
community
meeting
the
need
of
one
third
of
our
children,
and
I
know
there
are
children
out
there.
I
see
their
names
on
addresses
on
our
waiting
list
who
are
low
income
and
are
not
in
any
type
of
program
at
all,
starting
kindergarten
in
the
fall.
So
there
is
a
need
for
some
expansion.
G
We
also
have
been
very
successful
with
our
children
with
special
needs
students
with
disabilities
because
of
voluntary
pre-k.
They
have
been
included
in
our
classrooms.
We
are
100
inclusive
all
day
long.
We
actually
have
50
special
needs
this
year
and
since
we
started
our
inclusion
program
four
years
ago,
we
have
dropped
from
25
of
our
children
went
into
self-contained
classrooms,
meaning
they
were
only
with
children
with
special
needs
to
10.
G
So
now
we
are
sending
90
of
our
children
with
special
needs
to
gna
kindergarten,
because
they
are
in
a
voluntary
pre-k
classroom
with
typically
developing
peers.
So
we
are,
we
feel
very,
very
good
about
our
numbers.
I
could
go
on
and
on.
I
know
I
only
have
three
minutes
so,
but
we
we
see
the
success
each
year.
Our
numbers
keep
going
up,
and
I
know
that.
G
B
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
If
I
may
start
the
questions,
let
me
ask
a
question
from
understanding.
We
have
a
voluntary
pre-k
program
in
tennessee
and
you
you
do
applications
a
high
quality
pre-k
program
and
you
you
submit
an
application
for
the
grant
money
and
I
think
the
total
grant
money
in
a
state's
somewhere
around
90
something
million.
I
believe
that's
the
figure
that
I
always
hear,
but
so
when
you
say
you
got
200,
but
you
could
do
more.
B
How
does
it
work
where
you,
when
you
make
application
you
get
x,
amount
of
dollars.
G
So
what
we
do
in
terms
of
enrolling
people
and
children
next
week,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we're
going
to
have,
we
call
it
a
screening
rather
than
registration
and
they
bring
in
their
documents,
including
proof
of
income,
and
we
take
everyone's
and
we
actually
rank
them
in
order
of
their
income,
because
we
want
to
serve
our
lowest
income
families
first,
when
we
get.
If
we
ever
got
to
the
end
of
that,
we
would
include
children
who
are
over
the
income
limit,
but
we
don't
ever
do
that
in
kingsport.
G
We
have
a
high
need
in
kingsport,
like
I
said,
I
have
100
of
low-income
families
in
our
programs,
even
though
everybody
else,
all
the
principals
and
teacher
children
also
come
and
try
to
be
part
of
it.
But
we
we
can't
do
that
and
then,
after
that,
I
submit
the
grant
application
and
we
do
get
a
certain
amount
of
money
from
whatever
the
state
determines
per
classroom.
G
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
could
you
elaborate
for
me
just
a
little
bit
what
proficiency
measures
look
like
for
the
young
ones
going
from
pre-k,
I
guess
into
kindergarten.
G
Yes,
so
on
the
bracken
school
readiness
test
for
a
child
to
be
proficient,
they
need
to
score
90
or
above,
and
we
have
and
90
to.
95
is
proficient
95
and
above
is
advanced,
so
we
have
95
scoring
90
or
above.
H
G
H
G
Yes,
you
are
somewhat.
It
is
very
much
school
readiness,
it
tests,
the
alphabet
letter
recognition,
number
recognition,
including
double
digit
numbers.
It
tests
their
knowledge
of
sounds
they
count
on
this.
G
They
point
to
things
that
really
gets
into
vocabulary,
which
is
mostly
reasoning,
skills
which
we
do
a
lot
of
involuntary
pre-k
things
like
point
to
the
picture
of
the
girl
that
is
shorter,
a
lot
of
sizes
and
comparisons,
colors
problem
solving
and
thinking
skills,
which
we
do
a
lot
of
that
involuntary
pre-k,
because
we
know
that
their
brains
are
developing
before
they're
five
years
old,
and
so
we
think
that's
our
prime
primary
obligation
that
we
have
to
do
for
these
children
and
they
wouldn't
have
it
otherwise.
G
G
I
came
in
in
2016
at
the
tail
end
of
that
and
when
the
grant
changed
and
it
became
competitive,
the
quality
of
voluntary
pre-k
just
skyrocketed,
the
accountability
that
we
have
to
not
only
our
children
and
families
but
to
each
other
and
to
the
state
to
in
order
to
ensure
the
funding
is
well
used,
is
very
it's
it's
a
high
mark.
G
H
Last
one,
I
think
yes,
sir,
thank
you
you,
you
mentioned
a
long
time.
Are
there
measures
of
say
the
third
graders
today
that
came
out
of
that
program
a
long
time
ago?
Have
you
got
data
on
that
to
show
how
they
stack
up
against
their
peers
that
maybe
didn't
go
through
that
process.
G
Well,
I
can
tell
you,
I
know
there
are
studies
out
there
that
are
talking
about
it
and
even
bringing
back
old
studies,
but
those
studies
are
prior
to
the
high
quality
that
we
are
required
to
have
now
it's
prior
to
2017
when
everything
changed,
the
children
who
started
pre-k
in
2017
are
in
the
third
grade
right
now,
and
I
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
getting
their
scores
at
the
end
of
the
year
when
they
do
10
ready.
But
I
can
tell
you.
G
I
was
privileged
to
see
some
preliminary
data
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
again
from
a
mid-year
benchmark.
It's
we
used
something
called
easy
cbm,
which
is
a
universal
screener,
and
these
are
our
third
graders
and
I
looked
up
just
a
random
sampling.
I
didn't
I
would
love
to
have
time
to
really
look
up
everyone
and
plan
to
do
that.
Actually,
but
I
just
took
a
random
sampling
and
the
majority
of
the
children.
G
H
F
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
my
colleague
on
his
last
question
kind
of
stole
my
thunder
there
and
took
my
question
because
I
was
wondering
the
same
thing,
but
a
great
great
line
of
questions
there,
but
so
therefore
I'll
just
kind
of
have
a
statement.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
what
you
do
and
I'm
a
believer
in
pre-k.
I
know
there's
there's
many
around
that.
A
Aren't
that
much
of
a
believer
and
they
reference
a
certain
study
and
I
think,
that's
very
fair,
but
at
the
same
time
I
like
to
reference
and
look
at
on
the
ground
like
what
y'all
are
doing
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
around
my
district
of
not
the
results
that
good
but
still
really
good
results.
So
I
did
want
to
say
that
and
I'm
a
believer
in
high
quality
pre-k,
and
I
think
that's
the
key
that
you
touched
on
there
so
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
and
your
success.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you
very
much
members
a
little
background
history.
In
case
you
don't
know.
Most
of
you
probably
do
back
when
the
vanderbilt
study
came
out.
It
really
challenged
us
for
those
of
you,
believers
in
pre-k,
I'm
from
memphis
and
it's
effective
in
my
area
also
so
there's
supportive
of
it.
So
what
we
did
we
came
with
the
idea
for
pre-k
make
sure
that
it
was
a
high
quality,
so
we
passed
legislation
around
2017
that
it
would
be
a
grant
program,
but
it
would
be
pretty
strenuous
application.
B
You
had
to
meet
certain
standards
to
to
get
the
application
or
get
the
the
the
money
for
pre-k,
and
so
we
turned
it
to
high
quality
pre-k,
but
we
still
funded
about
the
same
about
it's
about
19
to
93
million
dollars
in
the
grant
program
and
which
is
not
enough.
Therefore,
that's
where
the
bill
is
brought
before
us
today.
Any
other
questions
to
our
yes.
B
B
Members
we're
back
in
session
representing
gillespie.
First
then
we
go
to
representative
cassada.
D
E
You
I'm
sorry.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
echo
on
what
the
chairman
just
said
about
back
back
and
memphis,
I'm
also
a
very
strong
proponent
of
pre-k
and
all
the
effects
that
it
calls
us
from.
You
know
the
next
year,
all
the
way
up
to
you
know
high
school.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
us
completely
supportive
of
it.
E
I
I
hope
that
this
kind
of
is
another
stepping
point
to
maybe
expanding
it
further
and
helping
some
of
these
other
communities
that
are
not
necessarily
in
distressed
counties
or
in
the
appalachian
area,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
representing
casting.
I
F
F
It's
in
their
reserve
and
no
one
has
claimed.
I
F
I
But
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
no
and
there'll
be
a
day
when
this
higher
higher
program
of
pre-k
maybe
proves
itself
to
be
so,
but
currently
I'm
working
under
data
that
says
pre-k
is
not
effective
and
so
things
change
and
it
could
change
and
and
those
guys
that
are
started
in
17.
They
are
in
fourth
grade
next
year,
and
so
maybe
maybe
the
changes
this
this
body
made
chairman
thanks
to
your
leadership,
will
be
evident,
and
maybe
there
will
be
a
reason
for
pre-k.
I
B
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
do
I
had
requested
t
heck
to
be
in
here.
Mr
hannemann,
I'm
gonna
go
to
represent
love
first,
but
I
do
want
mr
hammond
to
come
up
and
make
sure
that
the
committee
has
an
understanding
on
lottery
funds,
because
this
does
affect
lottery.
Funds
representing
love,
you're
recognized.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
legislation
for
this.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
be
a
product
of
pre-k
years
ago,
as
it
got
me
ready
for
kindergarten,
and
I
think
I
made
it
pretty
well.
D
D
B
Okay,
members,
without
objection,
I
would
like
to
bring
up
t
heck.
Mr
lou
hannemann.
K
Yes,
sir,
so
and
to
be
clear,
you
know
on
on
the
the
functional
part
of
this
legislation
we're
we're
deferred
on,
especially
as
it
relates
to
pre-k,
but
the
funding
mechanism
is
is
something
that
needs
to
be
certainly
clarified.
So
currently,
80
of
these
online
gaming
funds
go
directly
into
the
tennessee
education
lottery
scholarship
fund.
This
is
not
a
reserve
fund.
This
is
an
active
operational
fund.
K
Availability
is
predicated
on
these
funds
currently
piping
into
that
lottery
scholarship
fund,
and
so
you
know
those
you
know
there
there's
a
piece
of
legislation
moving
through
here
that
contemplates
raising
award
amounts
for
university
students
for
the
first
time
in
over
a
decade
and
other
programmatic
changes,
and
certainly
there
are
a
number
of
other
lottery
initiatives
before
this
committee
and
others,
all
of
which
are
hedging
on
the
availability
of
those
funds,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
that
these
funds
are
not
currently
sitting
in
a
reserve
account
unused.
B
Thank
you
for
that
members.
You
want
anyone
chairman
reagan,.
L
K
That's
correct,
so
those
the
tennessee
promise
scholarship
endowment
is
built
up
by
that
sweep
of
revenues
coming
off
the
lottery
after
expenditures.
Okay,
that's
how
we
have
built
up
that
that
endowment.
If
you
will
to
the
point
where
today,
it
is
just
about
paying
one
to
one,
but
if
we
have
a
bad
year
on
earnings,
we'll
be
well
under,
you
know
being
able
to
pay
for
the
promise
scholarship,
which
you
know,
we've
been
talking
a
number
of
years
now
about
promise
sustainability.
K
We're
almost
there
to
remove
these
revenues
out
of
that
pipeline
would
put
us
out
several
years
from
being
able
to
make
that
claim,
whereas
today,
because
of
this,
these
funds
coming
in
for
the
last
year
and
last
year,
that
was
about
19
million
dollars.
That
makes
a
substantial
impact
when
you're
talking
about
earnings,
power.
B
Thank
you.
We
have
representative.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
guess
point
of
clarity
for
me.
First,
do
we
this
money
comes
from
wagering,
not
from
lottery.
I'm
asking
a
question.
D
D
D
You
follow
up
yes,
sir,
yes,
sir,
and
I
believe
you
said
that
this
past
year
that
was
an
amount
about
19
million
dollars,
and
I
I
guess
in
setting
priority.
Well,
I
I
guess
it's
not
a
question
to
you,
but
to
this
body
you
know
we
we
talk
about
the
school
to
prison
pipeline.
D
We
talk
about
good
citizens
who
are
able
to
contribute
to
our
society,
and
if
we
don't
make
any
priorities
for
these
children,
are
we
creating
a
situation
where
we're
gonna
on
the
back
end,
so
to
speak
with
prisons
and
things
of
that
nature?
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
You're.
B
We
have
represented
gillespie,
you
know,
okay
and
and
also
for
full
disclosure.
Is.
Let
me
ask
this
question.
We
also
have
another
bill
moving
through
out
of
a
came
out
of
a
committee
last
night,
the
governors
where
we
won't
increase
our
hope
scholarship
money,
as
well
as
our
dual
enrollment
to
the
tune.
I
think
it's
88
million
dollars.
Could
you
talk
to
how
this
legislation
and
that
legislation
affect
each
other
if
they
do.
K
Tennessee
promise,
you
know,
we've
been
pushing
towards
tennessee
promise,
sustainability
and
sustainability
means
is:
are
the
earnings
off
of
tennessee
promise
capable
of
paying
not
only
for
the
scholarship,
but
also
accounting
for
the
anomalous
underfunded
year
in?
In
other
words,
if
the
market
has
a
bad
year,
do
we
have
a
buffer
in
those
earnings?
K
K
K
I
think
that
if,
if
these
changes
were
made,
I
think
strong
consideration
would
have
to
be
made
towards
you
know
which
one
of
those
priorities
you
know
would
be
chief
among
them.
B
Thank
you
very
much
members
further
discussion
on
this.
One
last
question
may
make
sure
when
the
lottery
was
set
up
originally,
is
there
any
constitutional
issues
on
at
some
point
whether
through
this
legislation,
others
going
into
pre-k,
or
is
that
up
to
the
legislature
to
determine
that
at
any
point
in
time
I
would.
K
Defer
to
council
it's
my
understanding.
If
I
recall
there
was
perhaps
around
2006
a
use
of
a
one-time
sum
from
lottery
dollars
to
fund
a
pre-k
pilot.
That
was,
I
don't
think,
continued
in
the
long
term.
I
believe
those
were
lottery
dollars,
but
I
would
certainly
defer
to
council
on
the
constitutional
court,
not
recurring
just
one
time.
B
Okay
members
further
questions
of
mr
hanuman
with
t
hack
at
this
point
in
time.
L
If
we
start
taking
money
away
from
that
before
we
have
achieved
that
goal,
I
think
we
are
in
fact
jeopardizing
that
goal.
I
fully
understand,
as
was
mentioned,
that
the
impact
early
on
is
worthy,
but
I'm
going
to
submit
that
the
first
goal
needs
to
be
met
in
its
entirety
before
we
start
diverting
money
in
other
places.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
Okay,
anyone
else
want
to,
and
while
we're
on
discussion
of
house
bill
representative
and
chairman
lafferty,.
H
This
this
is
a
big
program.
We're
talking
about.
This
is
affecting
a
lot
of
kids.
The
the
spirit
I
think
everybody
up
here
agrees
with
the
spirit
of
what
you're
looking
to
do,
but
we're
creating
an
entitlement
program
funded
by
the
state
of
tennessee
and
the
taxpayers.
I
don't
think
that's
any
kind
of
rhetoric
to
be
talking.
H
That's
we're
creating
an
entitlement
program,
my
experience
with
entitlement
programs,
whether
it's
social
security,
medicare
medicaid,
they
start
off
with
the
best
of
intentions
they
grow
wildly
out
of
control,
service
levels,
start
to
fall,
expenses
start
to
rise,
then
all
of
a
sudden
everybody's
going
wait
a
minute.
What
happened
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
for
people
to
think
about.
I
agree
with
the
spirit
of
what
you're
talking
about
what
you're
trying
to
do.
I
put
in
hours
with
my
daughter
when
she
was
pre-k,
so
did
my
wife.
H
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
make
that
happen.
I
am
concerned
about
growing
entitlement
programs
and
would
love
to
find
some
other
way,
whether
it's
grant
mechanisms
or
something
like
that
to
maybe
help
with
this
a
little
bit,
at
least
until
we
get
some
more
data.
That
shows
what
programs
have
been
going
on.
Let's
see
what
results
we're
actually
getting
real
time
from
real
tennesseans
in
real
tennessee
schools.
H
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
this
may
have
been
more
appropriate
for
yeah,
but
I'm
gonna
just
go
ahead
and
put
it
out
there
when
we
were
talking
about
the
sports
wagering
online
funds
that
we
receive.
It's
just
I'm
under
an
impression
that
that
money
will
continue
to
increase.
I
heard
19
million
dollars
thrown
out
there
and
I
it's
my
understanding
that
that
that's
only
going
to
increase
year-to-year.
I
know
that's
kind
of
irrelevant,
but
I
did
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
on
the
record.
B
Thank
you
very
much
represent
clemens.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
this
legislation
is
due
and
it's
already
take
it's
just
simply:
taking
a
percentage
of
the
tax
that
we're
already
collecting
on
sports
rangering
and
putting
it
into
distressed
counties
for
pre-k
programs
that
are
eligible.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
C
So
I
I
don't
know
what
the
problem
with
that
could
be.
If
we
have
to
suffer
with
these
sports
wagering
commercials
all
day
every
day,
we
should
at
least
be
putting
the
money
towards
something
that
we
know
is
going
to
be
effective,
such
as
pre-k.
So
yes,
sir,
thank
you
for
this
legislation.
Thank
you,
sir.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
going
towards
a
grant
program,
though
correct.
B
Okay,
members,
with
the
information
you
have
before
you,
if
we
have
enough
discussions
enough
for
you
to
make
a
a
decision,
I'm
gonna
go
back
for
one
last
comment
from
the
representative:
the
sponsor
of
the
program.
You
have
anything
to
say
before
we
possibly
call
for
the
question.
F
Our
children
are
our
future.
If
we
don't
invest
in
them
on
an
early
age,
they
will
never
see
the
money
for
college,
because
they'll
drop
out
in
high
school
if
we
don't
get
them
ready
by
the
time
they
get
to
kindergarten
so
that
they
can
learn
to
read
proficiently
by
the
time
they're
in
the
third
grade.
B
B
Hearing,
none
any
objection
to
the
question
being
called
seeing:
none
all
those
in
favor
and
let
your
eyes
be.
Let
me
hear
it
so
we
don't
have
to
have
a
roll
call.
I
don't
don't
care
for
roll
calls,
though
all
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
2201
being
referred
to
finance
ways
and
means,
and
it
came
to
say,
aye
aye,
those
opposed,
say,
nay,
the
eyes
do
have
it
moves
out
of
finance
ways
means.
B
Weaver
will
get
you
right
after
rip
representative
rudd
on
house
bill.
Five
excuse
me
item
five
house
bill.
2760,
representative
rudd.
You
got
a
motion
in
a
second.
B
L
A
simple
bill:
this
is
brought
to
me
my
school
superintendent
and
school
board.
Members,
as
most
of
you
know,
larger
school
systems
have
alternative
schools
and
smaller
school
systems
have
alternative
programs
in
their
existing
schools,
and
that's
where
disciplinary
children
with
disciplinary
problems,
truancy,
problems
and
other
problems
are
sent
to
be
specially
educated.
When
these
schools
fill
up
or
these
programs
fill
up,
they
got
no
choice
but
to
put
them
back
into
the
school
system
or
no
other
way
to
deal
with
them.
L
This
would
allow
them
to
use
remote
learning
for
disciplinary
students
and
that's
what
the
bill
does.
Currently,
they
don't
have
that
option.
B
B
N
Surely,
thank
you,
chairman
and
committee.
The
amendment
that
makes
the
bill
is
14660.
B
Got
a
motion
second
amendment,
any
objection
to
adding
it
to
the
bill,
since
it
does
make
the
bill
for
proper
discussion
hearing
none
without
objection,
all
those
in
favor
adding
the
amendment
one
four,
six:
six:
zero
on
the
house
bill,
1899
indicator,
saying:
aye
opposed
you
now
your
bill
is
amended.
Let's
go
ahead
and
give
us
an
explanation
of
what
we're
doing.
N
Thank
you
chairman
members,
kobit
was
a
emergency
where
we
were.
Basically,
we
passed
legislation
to
recruit
teachers
on
a
permit,
and
so
so
this
bill
is
for
teachers
that
are
already
in
place.
We
amended
it.
I
worked
with
the
department,
they
were
gracious
to
work
with
me
and
it
authorizes
a
teacher
holding
a
second
or
third
temporary
teaching
permit
to
apply
to
the
department
of
education
for
a
practitioner
license
to
continue
teaching
the
course
or
subject
area
taught
pursuant
to
the
teacher's
temporary
permit.
N
As
you
know,
we've
been
talking
about
teacher
shortage
in
tennessee,
there's
two
things
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
recruit
and
we
need
to
retain
our
teachers,
and
so
not
only
are
we
recruiting
new
teachers
by
this
piece
of
legislation,
but
second
career
individuals
such
as
women
returning
to
the
workforce,
after
stay-at-home
motherhood,
former
military
individuals
with
degrees
who
want
to
take
on
the
challenge
of
teaching.
N
This
is
another
tool
in
the
toolbox
and,
of
course
nothing
is,
could
recruit.
Teachers
more
and
most
of
us
here
on
this
committee
continue
to
sport
that,
and
that
is
paying
our
teachers
what
they
are
worth.
You
know
what
they
are
they're
worth
their
weight
in
gold.
I
mean
to
pay
our
teachers
as
well.
So
that's
what
this
bill
seeks
to
do,
and
I
I
welcome
any
questions.
N
The
teaching
permit
is
issued
it's
issued
by
the
department
of
education
and
there's
requirements,
your
district
school
directors.
They
know
the
right
kind
of
teachers
to
put
in
place
in
front
of
their
kids.
They
have
to
so
the
requirements.
N
It
has
to
be
a
highly
evaluated
teacher,
so
there's
I
guess
I
could
turn
to
the
law
and
read
them
to
you,
but
they
have
to
hold
a
valid
temporary
teaching
permit.
N
They
have
to
have
earned
a
level
of
overall
effectiveness
score
above
expectations
and
also
have
to
have
a
high
expectation
on
the
teacher's
most
recent
evaluated
test.
They
have
to
again
provide
a
recommendation
from
the
director
of
schools
to
move
forward.
So
there's
quite
a
few
listed
requirements.
It's
just
not
somebody.
You
pull
off
the
street
in
front
of
our
kids.
These
teachers
want
to
be
in
the
classroom,
and
this
is
one
way
of
recruiting
more
teachers.
C
N
Well,
the
original
bill
was
the
three
years
which
that's
been
that
has
been
in
the
rule
for
quite
some
time.
This
particular
one
will
last
two
years
and
the
ones
that
have
already
been
recruited
through
the
emergency
covit
issue
that
have
come
in
that
this
will
include
those.
So
this
would
be
a
two-year
permit.
C
N
C
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
is:
if
they're
holding
a
second
or
third
teacher
temporary
teaching
permit.
Does
that
mean
the
third
time
they've
been
issued
that
permit,
so
what
I'm
getting
at
is?
Does
that
mean
they've
had
one
for
six
years,
if
they've
had
three
permits,
or
is
that
three
subject
areas
or
what
does
that
mean?
It.
C
C
B
Representative
clements,
you
have
even
a
question
illegal.
C
B
Further
discussion
with
legal,
okay,
we're
back
in
session,
represent
clemens.
Did
you
finish
your
blind
question?
Okay,
anyone
else
on
the
list.
Okay,
members,
any
other
questions,
questions
been
called
any
objection
to
the
question
hearing.
None
all
those
in
favor
of
house
bill,
1899,
passing
out
to
finance
ways
and
means
indicating
saying
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
if
you'd
like
to
be
recorded
as
a
no,
please
see
the
clerk.
N
N
B
House
bill
1901.
Let
me
have
a
motion
second
again
motion.
Second,
now,
what
amendment
are
we
working
off
of.
N
Okay,
we
are
working
off
of
the
amendment
that
makes
bill
13995.
B
Motion
second
on
the
amendment
which
does
rewrite
the
bill,
any
objection
to
the
question
and
add
it
to
the
bills
for
the
proper
discussion
hearing
none.
I
was
in
favor
of
13995
being
added
to
1901
and,
it
came
to
say,
ni
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
we're
now
back
on
your
bill,
go
ahead
and
explain
to
us
what
we're
doing.
N
All
right,
okay:
this
is
house
bill
1901
as
amended
this.
This
seeks
to
it
deletes
the
state
board
of
education's
emergency
roles
on
the
issues
of
temporary
permits
and
endorsement
exemptions,
and
it
authorizes
the
commissioner
of
the
department
of
ed
to
issue
certain
temporary
permits
and
endorsement
exemptions,
exemptions
for
individuals
to
teach
in
the
school
year
of
22,
23
and
23
and
24..
N
It
also
requires
the
department
of
ed
to
report
to
the
education
committees
of
the
senate
in
the
house
on
the
number
of
endorsement
exemptions
and
temporary
permits
issued
at
the
end
of
the
22
23
23
24
school
years.
Oh
and
excuse
me
21
and
22
as
well.
So
since
we
had
such
a
all
right,
so
I
can
find
that
bear
with
me
here.
We
had
such
an
uptick
in
permits
issued
during
the
covid
scenario.
N
Oh
come
on,
I
had
those
numbers
and
I
know
jack,
you
have
them,
but
anyway
we
had
such
an
uptick,
and
I
thought
it
was
very
telling
for
this
for
us
to
be
reported
by
the
bear
with
me
here.
N
That
the
department
reports
to
the
education
committees,
how
many
permits
and
waivers
we
are
getting
every
year-
that's
very
telling
because
it
tells
us
there
is
a
need
for
this
and
and
how
how
successful
the
program
is-
and
I
thought
that
was
very
valid-
to
have
that
information.
B
B
N
So
the
first
bill
we
just
did
was
to
recruit
teachers
in
and
the
first
the
language
of
the
first
bills
I
understand
was
in
perpetuity,
in
other
words,
subsequent
years
we
had
a
concern
that
they
were
going
to
be
issuing
these
permits
and
these
teachers
wouldn't
go
on
to
get
an
endorsement
or
get
a
practitioner's
license.
N
Normally,
that's
not
the
case,
but,
as
you
know,
the
detail,
the
devil's
in
the
details
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
put
some
parameters
in
place.
I
worked
with
the
department
on
both
of
the
bills
and
we
did
that
we
addressed
it
addressed
those
issues.
Mr
clemens
had
some
problems
with
the
with
the
language
which-
and
I
mentioned
your
name
so
you're
allowed
to
defend
yourself,
but
I
mean
they
were
valid
points.
N
I
I
get
them,
they
were
valid
and
I
think
they
made
the
bill
stronger
and
they
made
everybody
made
some
clarity
and
there
you
go.
If
you.
G
B
B
Up
that's
up
to
the
committee.
I
just
saw
him
sitting
there
and
he's
on
the
list.
I
didn't
know
if
he
wanted
to.
I
just
want
to
say
I
appreciate
you
working
with
d.o.e,
because
you're
passionate
about
addressing
the
teacher's
shortage,
but
you
got
these
amended
to
where
we
had
an
acceptable
bill
come
before
us.
So
thank
you
all
right
members
we're
on
1901,
further
discussion.
B
N
B
All
right,
it
rewrites
the
bill.
We
got
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
and
a
second
okay
members,
any
objection
to
adding
to
the
bill
for
proper
discussion,
seeing
no
objection,
all
those
in
favor,
one
four,
two,
five
three
being
added
to
house
bill
1900
and
he
kept
saying:
aye
opposed
dies.
Have
it
charlie
weaver,
go
ahead
and
explain
what
1900
is
doing.
N
Well,
for
all
you
folks
out
there
that,
like
teachers,
which
that
should
be
just
about
every
one
of
us
here
on
this
committee,
this
bill
is
going
to
require
the
department
of
education
to
create
a
fund
to
reimburse
an
educator
who
receives
a
qualifying
score
on
a
required
assessment
known
as
praxis,
and
this
is
very
much
needed.
We
mandate
an
assessment
test
to
prove
the
teacher
knows
the
content.
N
C
B
B
Okay,
if
we
continue
to
go
through
the
calendar,
let
me
see,
if
is
chairman
todd
here-
item
number
14.
B
D
B
D
Owner
before
july
2023
and
annually
thereafter
to
brian
who
had
amendment
on
the
mr
chairman,.
B
L
Thank
you
and
just
a
clarification
question.
This
is
on
the
damage
that
was
done
by
the
tornadoes
that
went
through
there.
Is
that
correct.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
reagan,
members,
any
other
discussion,
any
objection
to
the
question,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
house
bill,
2293
going
to
calendar
and
rules
and
it
came
to
say,
aye
opposed.
I
just
have
it
moves
out.
Sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
of
we
might
just
move
on
through
the
calendar
right
now,
chairman
haston.
Are
you
ready
for
item
number
seven
house
bill
1710.
F
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
this
bill
does
is.
M
Sorry
is
it,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
ones
here.
I
don't
know
which
one's
the
one
is.
It
is
it
in
eight,
eight
or
thirty.
Two
one,
three,
two
one.
B
M
I
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
question
right
now.
The
state
law
requires
that
county
school
board
members
be
compensated
for
performing
their
official
duties
at
a
minimum
of
four
dollars
per
day.
This
bill
will
just
make
it
to
where
it's
at
the
very
least
equal
to
that
of
the
the
county
legislative
body.
A
lot
are
already
the
same.
Some
are
more.
The
ones
that
are
doing
more
can
continue
to
do
that,
but
this
just
brings
it
up
to
be
to
be
equal,
so
we
wouldn't
be.
I
B
B
I
Just
thought
it
was
just
an
opinion
and
that's
I
just
that's
county
government's
business.
I
ain't
telling
them
what
to
do,
but
anyway.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chairman.
B
B
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee.
What
this
bill
does
have
an
amendment.
I'm
sorry,
one
five,
zero
five
eight
is
that
is
that
what
you'll
have.
B
You
got
a
motion
in
a
second
on
one:
five:
zero
five,
eight,
which
rewrites
the
bill
any
objection
to
adding
into
the
bill
for
proper
discussion
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
the
amendment
15058
to
the
bill
and
they
keep
saying
hi
opposed
guys,
have
it
you're
now
in
a
proper
order.
Sir.
Thank
you,
mr.
M
Chairman
and
committee,
what
this
bill
does
there's
back
to
some
some
vpk
discussion,
the
the
pilot
program
and
the
vpk
code.
There
was
some
conflicting
language
in
there.
This
cleans
up
a
lot
of
the
language.
It
was
leading
to
some
some
confusion
on
if
schools
could
go
from
four-year-old
income
eligible
to
then
four-year-olds
that
were
on
the
waiting
list
or
if
it
was
four
euro
income
eligible
that
had
to
then
go
to
three-year-old
income
eligible.
M
There
are
districts
that
have
been
doing
both
and
they've
been
getting
some
conflicting
information
on
what
is
right
and
what
is
wrong
on
this.
This
just
cleans
it
up
and
allows
districts
to
go.
Four
euro
income
eligible
to
then
four
year
olds
that
are
on
the
waiting
list
or
if
they
do
want
to
continue
to
do
four-year-old
and
compels
bull
and
then
go
to
three-year-old
income
eligible,
they
would
have
that
option
as
well.
So
districts
are
doing
this
or
doing
both
of
these
right
now.
B
I
B
O
Chairman-
and
this
is
a
very,
very
short
bill,
just
basically
one
line
removes
section
e
out
of
the
code
that
would
make
school
board
recall
elections
possible
in
every
county
in
the
state
right
now.
The
law
is
that
it's
only
available
in
madison
county
per
our
law.
Now
there
are
three
major
districts
that
have
the
recall
in
their
school
in
their
original
county
charters,
knox,
davidson
and
shelby.
I
understand
at
least
those
three
that
have
this
already
in
place
in
their
original
charters.
O
It
is
a
very
high
bar
set
in
this
in
the
law
that
we've
already
passed
a
couple
of
years
ago
in
order
to
initiate
a
recall
election
and
I'll,
give
you
an
example
for
shelby
county,
for
example,
and
these
are
numbers
I've
gotten
from
they're
kind
of
roundabout
figures.
O
If
about
20
percent
of
the
electorate
in
a
given
district
turned
out
in
the
city
in
the
in
shelby
county
to
vote
in
a
regular
election,
if
that
member
was
recalled,
it
would
take
around
11
000
signatures
to
recall
that
person
to
even
initiate
the
recall.
So
you
have
to
get
a
petition.
O
First,
66
percent
of
the
total
number
of
positive
votes
that
member
got
in
the
previous
election
would
have
to
sign
their
names
on
a
list
that
had
to
be
verified
by
the
election
commission
and
if
they
reached
that
bar
66
percent,
then
they
would
go
to
an
election.
They'll
set
the
election,
and
at
that
point
it
takes
66
of
the
voters
in
that
district,
not
the
entire
county.
O
Only
that
district
voting
for
that
member
to
recall
that
member,
if
they're
successful,
then
it
would
initiate
an
election
of
a
new
member
and
one
example
that
was
given
to
me
a
couple
of
years
ago
when
I
ran
this
for
ran
this
bill
before
that
was
for
statewide
was
from
knox
county
and
a
member
on
the
committee
told
me
that
they
not
had
this
in
their
original
charter.
O
So
that's
why
the
citizens
of
this
state
want
this.
I
think
you've
all
seen
the
kind
of
things
going
on
across
the
country
and
the
movements
to
hold
school
boards
accountable
and
make
sure
that
when
they
tell
an
electorate,
this
is
what
I
stand
for.
This
is
what
I'm
going
to
vote
for
for
your
kids
and
mine
and
then
they
get
in
and
do
something
different.
This
gives
the
citizens
the
ability
to
change
members
before
waiting
another
four
years
for
another
election.
So
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I'll,
take
any
questions.
Okay,.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
appreciate
the
sponsor
and
just
very
respectfully
on
a
different
side
of
the
issue
on
this
one
and
just
and
just
want
to
take
a
few
few
things
about
the
bill.
One
thing
as
far
as
it
being
a
high
bar
it
possibly
could
be
in
an
urban
area.
It
is
not
a
high
bar
in
a
rural
area
and
so
in
mcminn
county,
where
I'm
from
and
we're
not
even
all
that
rural
and
we
have
50
000
people.
P
There
are
certainly
a
number
of
counties
that
are
smaller
than
us
in
a
school
board
race
you
could
have
and
typica
and
I've
got
results
kind
of
right
here
in
front
of
me
that
you
might
have
just
a
thousand
people
and
that's
on
a
high
year
vote
in
a
school
board
race,
and
so,
if
one
candidate,
if
a
candidate
wins
600
votes
to
500
votes,
then
your
opposition
automatically
has
enough
people
to
trigger
a
recall.
They
basically
just
have
to
hey
meet
me
down
at
the
courthouse
tomorrow.
P
We'll
sign
a
recall,
petition
and
we'll
run
against
this.
This
man
or
woman
again
next
year
or
you
can
go,
stand
outside
food
city
and
get
500
signatures
in
two
days
because
they
don't
have
it's
not
people
who've
had
that
voted
in
the
last
election.
P
It's
any
registered
voter
in
that
district
and
again
I
mean
that's
a
very
low
threshold
in
a
rural
district,
and
not
only
is
it
a
low
threshold
to
trigger
a
recall,
it's
also
a
higher
financial
burden
for
to
hold
a
special
district
race
again
in
mickman
county,
I
called
our
administrator
elections.
That's
that's
about
ten
thousand
dollars.
Every
time
you
hold
a
special
election,
and
so
it's
a
very
low
bar
there.
P
You
mentioned
counties
that
already
have
that
that
they
do
have
a
charter,
but
those
there
are
very
few
counties
in
this
state
that
are
set
up
with
a
charter.
95
percent
of
counties
in
this
state
are
under
under
the
provisions
of
of
the
general
law
and
so
a
county
school
board
generally.
The
way
that
it's
set
up
under
law
is
no
different
than
a
county
commission.
P
I
mean
we're
a
republic
for
a
reason,
and
so
you
know
every
time
someone
takes
a
controversial
vote.
It
shouldn't
have
to
trigger
a
recall,
and
so
that
that
is
that.
That
is
my
concern.
That's
why
I'm
I'm
a
I'm
a
very
strong!
No
on
this
one!
It's
like
it's
just!
It
is
a
very
low
bar
for
those
rural
areas
and
then
just
the
ramifications
that
come
from
this
we'll
be
recalling
every
office
because
they're
under
under
state
law,
95
percent
of
counties.
P
B
O
You,
mr
chairman,
I
I
would
say
you
know
my
commit
my
community
actually
had
this
go
on
a
couple
of
years
ago
after
we
passed
this
law
originally
and
they
were
very
upset.
A
lot
of
members
of
the
community
upset
in
this
one
district
over
one
member
who
had
advertised
in
the
campaign
of
being
one
way,
but
once
they
were
elected,
they
changed
their
tone
completely
and
the
citizens
were
highly
motivated
and
that's
why
I
brought
this
bill
and
they,
I
think
they
had
to
get.
O
I
don't
remember
the
exact
numbers,
six
700
signatures
800,
something
like
that,
and
I
thought
it
would
happen
very
quickly.
It
took
them
months
to
put
that
together.
It
was
not
an
easy
effort
and
they
went
stood
in
line
at
school.
Did
you
know
everything
they
could
do
the
parents
really
got
involved
in
this
and
they
accomplished
that.
But
it
was
not
easy
and
I
I
I
dare
say
this
is
not
going
to
be
a
very
easy
process
not
supposed
to
be.
O
This
is
a
serious
matter,
but
this
is
more
of
a
buyer's
remorse
issue.
For
me,
for
for
most
of
my
constituents
and
the
folks
that,
from
across
the
state,
have
asked
me
to
run
this
bill,
I
haven't
heard
that
much
from
my
constituents,
since
that
member
was
was
dealt
with
but
from
across
the
state.
I've
had
many
other
representatives.
O
Ask
me
that
for
their
districts
they
need
this,
and
citizens
have,
as
you
know,
have
just
become
much
more
involved
with
school
boards
in
the
last
couple
of
years
over
the
issues
that
they're
seeing
and
how
much
power
school
board
has
over
their
children's
lives
and
how
they
turn
out.
So
that's
that's
why
this
is
important
to
parents,
and
I
think
I'll
just
implore
you
to
to
think
about
that.
O
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Our
colleague
chairman
cochran,
I
think,
is
articulated
in
great
detail
why
we
should
give
pause
to
this
legislation
unintended
consequences
looking
at
beyond
the
school
board-
and
I
I
just
maybe
I
shouldn't
have
said
anything
at
all,
but
I
I
have
great
cause
and
concern
about
this
bill.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
B
Well,
thank
you
chairman
todd.
O
One
thing
I
would
mention
that
that
you,
you
all
have
alluded
to
a
couple
members
now
have
alluded
to.
It,
was
very
interesting
to
me
that
that
earlier
this
week
I
had
in
my
office
some
representatives
from
the
school
board
association
that
your
and
my
school
boards
pay
their
dues
for
comes
out
of
taxpayer
dollars
and
they
pay
this
organization
and
this
organization
lobbies
for
them.
O
They
literally
said
in
my
office
and
said
we
would
be
all
for
a
bill
that
would
set
up
a
recall
process
for
every
member
of
a
local
elected
community.
We'd,
be
all
for
that,
we're
just
not
for
this
one
that
singles
out
school
board
members.
So
I
think
you
can
extrapolate
that
there
actually
for
this
bill.
They
just
don't
want
to
be
singled
out.
So
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
I
thought
that
was
very
interesting,
that
that
group
actually
took
that
position.
B
See
who
was
we
talked
to
you
right?
Did
you
want
to
follow
up
resident
keem,
then
we'll
come
back
to
concord,
follow
up
again.
D
This
process
has
given
me
great
pause
that
those
representatives
would
make
that
comment
to
you
and
I
really
question
how
many
other
representatives
they
have
made.
Those
comments
to
I
haven't
seen
or
heard
anyone
from
that
organization,
and
like
say
I
don't
know
if
they
talk
with
other
people,
but
it
it,
it
seems
to
be
so
focused
and,
and
me
leave
it
alone.
Thank.
B
You,
yes,
sir
president,
cochran.
P
I
think,
and
just
to
that
point
and
that
they
may
have
have
said
that
no
I'm
not
disputing
that,
but
that
actually
adds
to
my
fear
that
we
pass
this
and
then
those
organizations
will
say
well,
you
know
well
the
heck
with
it
I
mean
we
can
recall
school
board
members.
Let's
recall
the
rest
of
them
like
that.
That's
actually,
speaking
to
my
point,
I'm
afraid.
Once
we
cross
this
threshold,
then
they
say
well,
hey.
P
Let's
do
it
for
county
commissioners,
sheriffs
mayors
and
we're
just
having
recall
elections
all
the
time
that
that
kind
of
speaks
to
my
fear
that
they
would
support
that
once
we
pass
it
once
we
pass
this
threshold
and
then
just
one
other
quick
thing
for
someone
who
is
a
criminal
for
an
elected
official
under
general
state
law.
If
someone
is
elected,
they
commit
a
crime.
P
There's
there
are
procedures,
it's
called
an
ouster
suit,
and
so,
if,
if
someone
does
something
egregious
there
are
there
are
procedures
under
current
state
law?
You
have
you,
have
a
petition
signed,
you
go
through
the
county
attorney,
you
do
you
do
an
ouster
suit
so
and
that's
a
pretty
rare
occurrence,
but
there
are,
there
are
measures
in
place
to
handle
that
situation.
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
that
I
understood
you
earlier
to
say
that,
with
a
recall
process,
those
signatures
would
only
be
required
to
come
out
of
the
district
or
could
only
come
out
of
the
district
which
that
school
board
member
represents.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct?
Okay,
this
the
problem
that
I
have
with
this
we've
all
been
in
a
position
up
here
that
we've
had
to
take
hard
votes
a
lot
of
times
when
we
do
that
we
are
thinking
about.
How
is
this
going
to
affect
us?
H
O
L
L
It's
a
very
expensive
proposition
for
a
private
citizen
to
bring
an
alistar
suit
that
private
citizen
starting
point
is
a
minimum
of
five
thousand
dollars
to
get
it
rolling
so
requiring
an
alistar
suit
is
something
you've
got
to
have
somebody
who's
well
healed
enough
to
do
it
to
begin
with,
and
it
does
take
an
extremely
long
time
eventually
that
ouster
suit
that
I
was
watching
was
settled,
but
it
was
settled
years
after
the
fact.
L
The
indications
that
we're
talking
about
here,
if
you
have
someone
who
is
criminally
convicted,
I
don't
see
that
we
should
have
to
pay
for
the
opportunity
to
kick
them
out.
So
from
that
standpoint,
I
think
the
opportunity
to
recall
one
is
a
better
solution
in
that.
Yes,
it
costs
the
county
potentially
to
hold
another
election,
but
that's
spread
across
all
the
taxpayers,
not
one
individual.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
Let's
go
to
back
to
representing
congress.
P
B
No
further
discussion,
okay,
I
don't
know
more
from
the
sponsor
any
objection
to
the
question
members
I'd
like
to
ask,
so
I
can
tell
this
on
the
voice
vote,
if
not
I'll
have
to
call
for
a
roll
call.
All
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
2388,
moving
out
to
finance
ways
and
means
indicate
by
saying
aye,
all
those
opposed
say.
No,
no.
B
D
There
aren't
any
amendments
on
the
bill.
I
know
we
had
a
lengthy
discussion
about
this
bill
and.
D
We
had
a
lengthy
discussion
about
this
bill
in
our
subcommittee
and
was
able
to
get
passed
to
full
committee,
and
I
had
a
one
change
that
is
needing
to
be
made
at
the
very
very
end
which
will
change
a
few
words
or
the
last
sentence.
Section
six,
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
ask
to
roll
this
bill
to
next
week.
D
B
Any
any
further
here,
none
you
are
rolled
to
next
week's
calendar.
L
L
Now
this
bill
simply
recognizes
the
fact
that,
because
of
their
nomadic
lifestyle,
they
may
be
living
here
in
tennessee
and
want
to
take
courses
here
and
come
have
to
leave
and
come
back.
The
universities
can
then
recognize
them
and
still
give
them
in-state
tuition.
I
will
also
mention
that
the
impact
on
our
state
in
terms
of
funding
is
going
to
be
minimal,
because
military
members
who
have
served
more
than
180
days
are
qualified
for
something
called
the
gi
bill.
L
B
L
Again,
I
bring
to
you
a
rather
straightforward
and
simple
bill.
All
this
bill
does
is
require
transparency
for
the
employees
to
be
able
to
address
grievances.
It
does
not
change
any
grievance
processes.
What
it
does
is
require
that
grievance
processes
be
posted
on
the
website,
so
that
everybody
can
see
what
they
are
changes,
nothing
about
the
way
they
handle
it.
I
should,
by
the
way
I
should
mention
also
higher
education
institutions-
forgive
me
so
that
anybody
can
see
what
is
required
of
them
if
they
wish
to
file
a
grievance.
B
A
You,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
2365,
authorizes
a
child
under
24
years
of
age
to
receive
a
25
percent
discount
on
tuition
to
any
state
tuition
of
higher
ed
if
the
child's
parent
is
a
full-time
educational,
employee
in
any
public
school
in
tennessee.
So
right
now,
if
they're
a
certified
teacher,
their
their
child
gets
a
25
discount
to
state
institutions
and
this
would
add
or
full-time
educational
employee.
A
I
feel
that
we
have
many
members
of
our
education
systems,
assistants
and
and
others
employed
that
work
extremely
hard
to
benefit
our
our
kids
and
our
students,
and
I
want
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
be
on
a
fair
playing
field
with
with
other
certified
teachers.
So
with
that
I'll,
take
any
questions.
Mr
chair.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
May
I
ask
you
a
question
on
the
on
the
fiscal
notes.
Any
thoughts
on
that.
B
A
Absolutely
you
know
we
obviously
have
a
fiscal
hurdle
as
many
bills
do,
but
I'd
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
that
discussion
on
behalf
of
the
other
employees,
that
of
our
educational
system
that
work
for
our
students
every
day.
Thank
you.
Members.
B
O
A
A
Motion
second
on
the
amendment
members,
if
you're,
okay,
we'll
put
that
on
the
bill
and
then
discuss
the
bill
moving
forward,
any
objections,
all
those
in
favor
of
that
amendment
and
that
amendment
to
the
bill
signified
by
saying
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
amendments
added
to
the
bill
and
with
that
chairman,
you
are
recognized.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
chairman
heard
in
committee.
This
is
one
we
took
from
the
department
deals
with
the
amo,
the
annual
measurable
objective.
The
bill
sets
a
new
baseline
to
measure
district
and
school
amos
goals.
That
begin
with
the
tcap
test
that
students
took
in
the
2020-2021
school
year,
the
reset
button
does
not
hold
districts
accountable
for
results
that
were
obtained
prior
to
the
covey
pandemic.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
and
chairman
white,
I'm
I'm
supporting
you
on
this
bill,
but
this
also
will
be
beneficial
in
regards
to
the
new
funding
formula.
Also,
so
it
gives
us
a
baseline.
Am
I
correct
chairman
white.
B
D
And
thank
you
for
that,
and
and
what
I'm
referencing
is.
I
believe
that
there
is
a
tie
to
amo
to
funding,
but
I'll
leave
that
alone,
and
so
we
can
get
this
bill
passed,
so
it
won't
cause
too
much
conversation
about
it.
So
thank
you.
Miss
chair.
A
Thank
gravis
parks
and
questions
been
caught
in
the
objections,
no
objections,
we're
going
to
vote
on
house
bill
2138
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed
no
ice
habit,
bill
passes
to
to
calendar
and
rules
almost
and
with
that
we
move
to
item
number
18
on
the
calendar
house
bill
2139
by
chairman
white
motion
in
a
second
motion.
Second,
chairman
white,
you
are
recognized.
We
have
any
amendments
on
this
bill.
B
B
In
section
b
of
this,
it
says
that
a
parent
or
guardian
of
a
student
who
has
accumulated
five
or
more
days
of
unexcused
absences
during
the
school
year
and
who
is
subject
to
tier
three
of
the
least
progressive
truancy
plan
shall
not
withdraw
the
student
from
the
school.
Now.
Here's
where
it
comes
from
in
the
code
tier
three.
B
This
is
what
we're
dealing
with
for
the
purposes
of
this
subsection
evidence
of
a
parent
or
guardian's
unwillingness
to
cooperate
with
the
truancy
intervention
requirements
outlined
in
the
progressive
truancy
plan
includes,
but
is
not
limited
to
a
parent's
or
guardian's
failure
or
refusal
on
multiple
occasions
to
attend
conferences.
Return
phone
calls,
attend
follow-up
meetings
and
enter
into
any
kind
of
attendance
contract
or
actively
participate
in
any
of
the
tiers
of
truancy
intervention
outlined
in
subsection
d
or
in
the
local
board
of
education's
progressive
transit
plan.
B
It
says
that
the
exemption
is,
they
should
not
withdraw
the
student
from
school
unless
the
student's
place
of
residence
changes.
That's
okay,
the
student
is
seeking
to
withdraw
for
the
transfer
to
another
school
or
lea.
That's,
okay
and
or
the
student
enrolls
in
a
non-public
school,
which
is
a
church
based
according
to
code,
is
church
based
home,
school
or
private.
B
A
Thank
you
for
that
explanation,
mr
chairman.
Any
questions
we
have
representative
carringer
on
the
list
of
carriages.
You
are
recognized.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
and
chairman.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
when
this
came
through
k
through
sub
committee,.
J
First,
it
was
kind
of
like
if,
if
your
child
had
missed
five
days,
not
five
days
consecutive
but
just
five
days
and
something
changed,
and
you
know
a
parent
is
working
out
of
town
or
something
they
realize
that
this
is
not
working
and
I've
got
calls
from
people
in
my
district,
opposing
it
and
and
in
all
and
and
home
school
parents,
and
and
just
different
situations
in
their
families
where
they
did
have
to
kind
of
make
a
sudden
change
that
was
best.
B
And
I
apologize-
probably
I
may
have
misspoke
a
little
bit
is
trying
to
get
my
head
around
this.
This
is
only
unexcused
absences
now,
if,
if
a
child
has
a
sickness
or
or
they
have
to
be
home,
for
whatever
reason,
maybe
mental
health
issues,
they
contact
the
superintendent
of
the
the
leadership
of
the
school
and
they
tell
them
that
and
they
get
excused
absences.
B
This
is
for
unexcused
absences
when
the
child
doesn't
show
up
the
guardians,
never
contact
the
school
and
it's
and
it's
progressed
to
a
level
to
a
tier
three
which
is
then
that's
when
the
school
can
turn
over
to
the
juvenile
court.
It
does
not
affect
a
regular
parent
who
may
want
to
remove
a
child
for
homeschooling
or
private
school
or
move
away
or
anything.
It's
just
this
tier
three,
where
they
they're
not
responding
to
any
type
of
intervention,
and
it's
unexcused
absences.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
and
so.
Okay,
so
are
we
still
leaving
the
five
unexcused
I
mean
they're,
I
mean
if
they
I
mean
say
they.
They
have
an
excused
absence
one
week
and
you
know
four
weeks
later
they
have
another
one.
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
clarify,
because
for
my
people
in
district
16
this
this
was
a
concern
and
enough.
J
I
J
You
know
I
just
want
it
clarified,
so
that
everybody
in
my
district
as
well
state
of
tennessee
really
understands
exactly
what
this
is.
B
Right
chairman,
yes,
sir,
thank
you
chairman
right
it
and
what
you're
asking
for
that's
all
this
is
the
five
excuses
already
in
code.
This
is
a
true
inch
level,
a
tier
three,
a
parent
that
is
responsible
and
if
they
have
a
child,
that's
sick
is
not
attending
school
for
multitude
of
reasons.
A
Thank
you
for
that
explanation
or
or
reply.
Next,
we
will
have
representative
cochran
on
the
list.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
what
I
I
think
you
are
describing
an
an
accurate,
a
very
accurate
situation
that
happens
a
lot
where
you
have
maybe
a
student
that
has
a
bad
home
life
and
when
you
know,
when
the
school
kind
of
tries
to
intervene
that
a
lot
of
times,
that's
the
parent's
response
as
well,
we'll
just
take
them
into
homeschool
and
usually
there's
not
that
support
network
there
to
implement
any
kind
of
homeschool
and
you
kind
of
lose
that
student.
P
So
I
think
you
you
are,
you
are
describing
a
situation
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
I
I
had
a
similar
concern
as
as
representative
carringer,
just
the
low
number
of
absences
I
didn't
know,
if
maybe
five
should
be
a
little
bit
higher.
I
just
didn't
know
if
that
might
be
too
low
of
a
threshold.
But
again
I
want
to.
I
want
to
say
again.
P
A
A
If
you
want
to
be
recorded
as
a
no,
please
see
the
clerk
eyes
have
it
bill
passes
the
calendar
and
rules
good
morning
adjourn
us.