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House Higher Education Subcommittee House Hearing Room 3
A
B
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Before
we
get
started,
do
we
have
any
personal
orders
seeing
none?
We
always
move
quickly
in
here
appreciate
it.
Folks.
Today,
we've
got
12
bills
on
the
calendar.
The
chairman
has
not
done
a
great
job
of
touching
base
with
everybody
as
far
as
lottery
calendar.
Anything
like
that.
So
we'll
deal
with
that
as
we
roll
through
committee
here
today,
let's
see
first
up,
we
have
today
house
bill
2148,
I
believe
chair
lady
helton
will
be
presenting
that.
A
C
It
requires
the
center
to
develop
a
statewide
plan
for
nursing
that
addresses
issues
of
nursing
workforce
needs
to
create
a
database
on
nursing
workforce
needs
and
to
convene
with
professionals
in
and
related
to
the
nursing
industry,
for
reviews
and
recommendation
for
strategies
to
implement
the
statewide
plan.
It
requires
the
center
to
enhance
and
promote
activities
for
nurses
in
this
state
to
be
recognized,
rewarded
and
renewed.
C
A
A
D
E
You
committee
and
chairman,
first
of
all,
let
me
start
by
saying
I
want
to
applaud
the
committee
for
passing
house
bill
2670
last
week,
which
addresses
the
speech
on
campuses
and
protects
both
students
as
well
as
faculty.
This
particular
bill
this
this
week.
I
intentionally
rolled
it
to
make
sure
that
we
understood
that
the
the
bills
worked
hand
in
glove
rather
than
across
purposes
with
each
other
house.
E
But
this
allows
us
to
put
into
state
code
the
the
same
definitions
of
discrimination
and-
and
this
will
ensure
that
here
in
tennessee,
that
tennessee
code
defines
and
applies
the
acts
of
discrimination
rather
than
a
u.s
department
of
education,
which
is
the
current
remedy
to
a
violation
or
a
federal
court,
and
so
the
purpose
of
this
bill.
It
has
a
couple
of
mechanics.
E
This
just
permits
our
state
to
have
oversight
here
with
the
general
assembly,
and
I
will
make
a
comment.
We
do
have
someone
that's
here
to
testify
that
I
would
request.
I
think
we've
got
ms
kastner
on
the
the
ability
to
speak,
but
one
of
the
things
I've
noticed
is
there's
quite
a
bit
of
of
lobbying
against
this
bill.
E
Considering
this
doesn't
exist,
and
so
I
stand
here
as
a
spokesperson
of
the
taxpayers
of
tennessee
fighting
the
taxpayers
of
tennessee
funded
lobbyists,
and
so
on
behalf
of
students,
parents
and
faculty
who
work
at
these
institutions
of
higher
learning.
I
think
it's
critically
important
for
this
bill
to
join
house
bill
2670
in
moving
forward
in
both
protecting
students,
faculty
and
employees,
from
not
only
compelled
speech
but
discriminator
discriminatory
behavior.
So
with
that,
mr
chairman
I'll
be
happy
to
take
questions
of
the
committee.
But
I
would
request
that
ms
kastner
be
recognized
for
testimony.
A
F
F
F
The
result
has
been
to
preemptively
shut
down
in
tennessee
attacks
on
free
speech
that
we
are
now
seeing
in
campuses
in
other
states.
So
now
is
really
the
time
to
do
the
same
for
the
civil
rights
act,
ibrahim,
kindy,
the
leading
proponent
of
crt
says,
and
I
quote,
to
be
an
anti-racist.
You
must
discriminate.
F
F
These
ideals
are
the
antithesis
of
the
concepts
behind
the
civil
rights
movement
and
the
fundamental
nature
of
justice
under
the
law.
In
a
democracy
through
our
research,
we
are
certain
that
there
are
powerful
and
vocal
groups
and
forces
on
campus
that
are
supporting
this
type
of
thinking
or
at
least
they're
supporting
ideology
that
is
based
in
this
type
of
thinking.
F
A
D
D
F
F
A
F
E
But
there
was
a
moment
in
time
in
2016,
when
the
general
assembly
defunded
one
particular
university's
activity
on
a
campus
that
fell
into
promoting
what
would
be
considered
inappropriate
behavior
since
that
time
in
2016
that
same
university
has
increased
its
spending
for
this
type
of
behavior
by
almost
2
million
dollars,
and
so
clearly
the
decision
in
2018
to
make
sure
that
funding
was
academically
driven.
Not
that
of
activism
has
been
a
little
bit
discarded
and
discounted,
and
so
this
is
yet
another
reason
to
put
this
in
code
but
happy
to
take
questions.
Sir.
H
E
What
this
particular
bill
would
do
is
to
take
those
exact
same
protections
of
race,
sex,
gender,
religion,
national
origin
and
put
them
in
state
code
and
instruct
the
universities
to
create
their
own
work
with
work
with
our
government
operations,
committees,
the
joint
operations
committees
and
create
a
a
solution
and
then
have
the
oversight
of
this
legislative
body
and,
while
speaker
sexton's
bill
does
indeed
it's
needed,
because
it
protects
free
speech
and
not
complain
and
it
protects
someone
from
compelled
speech.
While
this
protects
from
these
particular
individuals,
civil
rights.
E
If,
if
that
is
this,
if
that
is
the
violation,
if
someone
like
again,
let's
say
that
you're
the
faculty
at
a
particular
university
and
you
believe
that
your
speech
is
being
lessened
or
devalued
because
of
race.
Then
indeed,
if
that
was
the
premise
and
you
you
saw
that
as
the
violation
contrast
that
to
the
the
bill
that
I
do
believe
is
also
needed
with
speaker.
Sexton's
bill
is
when
you're
looking
at
compelled
speech.
E
Let's
say
that
that
we're
in
a
classroom
and-
and
I
am
the
instructor
and
I'm
compelling
you
to
believe
that
it
absolutely
for
you
to
receive
a
a
current
grade
based
on
a
a
political
science
curriculum
public
policy,
that
your
grades
are
in
jeopardy.
If
you
don't
have
the
same
type
of
speech,
if
you
don't
participate
in
the
same
type
of
debate
in
class,
that
you
would
feel
that
an
adverse
event
was
coming
your
way,
and
so
the
speaker
sexton's
bill,
protects
speech.
H
And
thank
you
for
that.
It,
just
you
know,
seems
like
there's
some
duplication
here.
So
that's
all
I
was
saying,
but
are
we
on?
Did
somebody
call
for
a
roll
call
vote
on
this
or
how
were
we
voting
on
this?
I
didn't
because
I
thought
you
did
ask
for
a
real
cardboard.
Oh
okay,
I
didn't.
I
wasn't
sure
if
it
was
formal
or
not.
Thank
you,
but
thank
you.
Servant.
G
Thank
you,
chairman
lafferty,
chairman
smith,
in
in
academics
and
colleges
and
universities.
We
we
discuss
all
kinds
of
concepts.
Some
are
positive
concepts.
Some
are
negative.
Some
are
positive
institutions.
Some
are
negative
I'll
give
an
example
in
economics.
We
teach
about
different
economic
systems,
comparative
economics,
capitalism
and
market
economies
on
one
end
of
the
spectrum
and
marxism
on
the
other.
G
E
Thank
you,
chairman
laughter,
no,
absolutely
not,
but
again
this
is
about
behavior.
So
if,
if
you
as
a
university
faculty
were
if
I
were
in
your
class
and
you
were
teaching
some
type
of
a
an
economic
platform
and
the
the
the
debate
moved
from
an
economic
system
down
to
that
which
is
who's
privileged
versus
who
is
not
privileged
and-
and
I
refuse
to
embrace
some
kind
of
compelled
argument,
then
then
speaker
sexton's
bill
would
come
in
and
protect
me
from
compelled
speech.
E
But
let's
say
that
I'm
african-american
or
actually
cherokee
irish
like
I
am-
and
I
believe
that
that
you
were
picking
on
me
or
there
was
some
sort
of
a
civil
rights
violation
simply
because
of
my
ethnicity,
then
I
would
have
a
twofold
remedy.
One
would
be
the
the
protected
speech
that
I
would
not
feel
as
if
my
grades
were
in
jeopardy
from
you
as
my
superior,
but
I
would
also
have
remedy
at
the
state
level
and
again
this
is
this
is
actually
a
benefit
for
conservatives,
progressives
african
americans,
asian
americans.
E
G
I
hear
what
you're
saying
I
guess,
I'm
just
reading
section
a
the
first
section
of
the
bill,
and
it
just
doesn't
read
that
way
to
me.
The
way
it
reads
to
me
is
that
a
I
guess,
a
professor
shall
not
subject
a
student
to
an
adverse
action
for
refusing
to
discuss
public
policy
issues
of
the
day.
Public
policy
issues
of
the
day
in
an
economics
course
could
be
marxism
or
it
could
be
the
effect
of
the
biden
administration's
fiscal
policy
on
inflation.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
and,
and
to
to
your
specific
point
again,
this
is
focusing
more
about
the
adverse
action
because
you
know
they're
there
in
the
environment
they're
there
at
their
own
volition,
because
you
know
in
the
in
the
confines
of
higher
education.
There
is
freedom
of
speech
on
campus
and
because
it's
not
a
compulsory
environment.
G
Okay
and-
and
I
hear
that
this
is
about
adverse
action-
I
guess
my
concern
is
I'm
wondering
whether
this
bill
goes
too
far.
For
example,
the
speaker's
bill
says
that
a
student
can't
be
required
to
adopt
the
belief
of
a
university
or
a
professor.
In
other
words,
I
can't
make
my
students
believe
marxism
is
right
or
wrong.
This
seems
to
just
seems
to
reference
discussing
public
policy
issues.
There
can't
be
an
adverse
action
for
a
student,
not
discussing
a
public
policy
issue
of
the
day.
Again,
a
public
policy
issue
the
day
could
be
inflation.
E
Because
of
the
caption
and
because
of
the
language,
this
applies
with
again
with
title
iv
and
title
vi
of
the
civil
rights,
and
so
it
would
be
based
on
adverse
actions
as
taken
in
a
discriminatory
manner
based
on
sex,
gender,
race,
ethnicity
or
national
origin.
And
so,
if
you
were,
if
in
your
position
as
a
superior,
you
were
taking
those
titles-
and
you
were,
I
guess,
administering
an
adverse
action
to
a
student
based
on
their
race
because
they
wouldn't
talk
about
something
that
would
fall
under
this
particular
bill.
E
G
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
representative.
I
want
to
say
you
know,
certainly
I'm
I'm
with
you
in
spirit
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here.
Obviously
my
my
name's
on
there
with
you,
because
I
think
that
that
it
has
been
an
issue
across
the
nation
just
with
divisive
topics,
critical
race
theory,
whatever
we
want
to
specifically
call
it.
I
E
And
I
think
you
made
a
great
point
because,
unlike
k-12,
because
I
think
most
of
us
in
this
room
supported
chairman
reagan's
bill
last
year
about
putting
these
protections
in
k-12
and
we
had
specific
prohibitions
on
content
and
so
there's
nothing
in
here
about
content,
that's
being
directed
or
deliberatively
prohibited.
Instead,
when
I
mean,
unless
things
have
changed,
and
it's
been
almost
40
years
since
I
was
in
university,
but
you
sign
up
for
a
class,
you
read,
you
read
the
the
syllabus,
you
read
the
the
pitched.
E
You
know
whatever
the
criteria
are,
so
you
know
when
you
go
in
that
you're
going
to
do
contemporaneous
speaking
when
I
was
a
nursing
student,
I
knew
that
I
was
going
to
be
taking
doing
some
women's
health
care.
I
knew
that
I
was
going
to
do
some
type
of
surgical.
You
know
interventions
and
many
of
you
signed
up
at
different
levels,
so
you
at
you
voluntarily
implied
your
consent
by
signing
up
for
that
class
for
paying
for
that
class
for
participating.
E
But
at
that,
but
at
what
point
and
where
this
bill
comes
in
is
once
a
student
is
engaged.
If
there
is
some
sort
of
a
superior
effort
to
compel
a
speech
again
using
the
the
speaker's
bill,
that's
why
these
works
so
nicely
hand
in
glove
is,
is
the
speaker's
bill
prevents
from
compelling
speech?
But
let's
say
that
you
have
candidly:
let's
say
that
you
have
a
muslim
student
and
and
because
of
her
beliefs
on
speech,
and
she
receives
an
adverse
action.
E
I
mean
you
know
again
she's
signed
up,
but
because
of
her
religion
she
may
not
be
compelled
or
be
able
to
complete
all
the
the
tenants
of
that
particular
class,
and
so
these
are
just
again.
These
are
civil
rights,
protections
that
exist
in
the
federal
code
and
and
while
the
the
free
speech
and
the
implied
consent
of
signing
up
for
a
class
does
have
to
factor
into
all
of
these
things.
So
this
is
only
from
within
the
the
threshold
of
the
classroom
once
someone's
there
they
have
those
protections
of
to
to.
I
And
then
the
the
follow-up
again
same
same
section
that
that
we
chatted
about
a
little
bit
earlier
on.
I
believe
it
was
section
g
who
would
be
in
the
way
the
intention
of
the
legislation,
who
is
an
aggrieved
party
who
could
sue
in
this?
Would
you
have
to
be
a
student?
Do
you
have
to
be
a
citizen
of
tennessee?
Could
anybody
do
it?
Can
you
who
would
be
that
aggrieved
party
you're.
E
E
You
probably
are
going
to
need
to
hire
an
attorney
to
shepherd
that
through,
if
you're
serious
about
it
or
you
can
file
a
federal
lawsuit
and
so
what
we're?
Basically,
what
we
basically
have
is
the
worst
of
all
situations,
and
and
this
will
this
only
brings
it
down
to
the
state
level,
and
it
gives
us
government
oversight,
and
I
find
it.
E
I
Chairman
you're
recognizing
just
one
one
final
thing
and
just
to
be
clear.
I
I
don't
even
necessarily
take
issue
with
with
the
cause
of
action
or
putting
some.
You
know
putting
some
teeth
in
there,
so
so
students
would
have
that
avenue.
I
was
just
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
the
way
that
it's
written
is
that
I
don't
know
if
it
specifically
pinpoints
students
the
way
that
it's.
I
know
that
that's
the
intent,
the
way
that
it's
actually
written
a
little
little
concern.
I
D
D
D
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
not
that
that
is
an
inadequate
bill,
but
again
the
when
you
look
at
and
again
I'm
just
harkening
back
to
the
the
current
public
environment
that
we
find
ourselves
in
today,
civically
and
civilly.
We
lack,
we
lack
the
latter.
You
know
the
the
the
civility,
and
so
when
a
student
goes
into
a
classroom,
the
the
speaker's
bill
was
absolutely
necessary
because
we
don't
need
our
students
to
be
compelled
under
threat
of
adverse
action
just
to
agree
with
some
type
of
ideology.
E
That's
forced
in
the
curriculum
that
that
may
or
may
not
need
to
be
there,
and
so
I
applaud
that
bill
and
I
was
very
willing
to
roll
this
one
just
so
that
that
we
had
these
separate
discussions.
But
this
particular
bill
is
really
limited
to
the
discriminatory
behavior
and-
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
very
fortunate
to
say-
I've
never
been
discriminated
against,
probably
maybe
as
a
woman.
Maybe
so,
but
but
this
particular
bill
takes
into
the
the
same
line
of
thinking
that
there
are
civil
rights
protections
in
our
classrooms.
E
E
What
we're
seeing
is
an
intentional
effort
to
reconstruct
the
role
of
the
family,
to
reconstruct
the
role
of
gender,
to
reconstruct
candidly,
the
to
devalue
our
conversations
on
race
and
and
and
so
relative
to
these
important
civil
rights
protections.
This
just
codifies
them
at
the
state
level
and
make
sure
that
our
state
government
operations
committee-
and
I
have
to
take
my
hat
off
to
you-
know
john
reagan.
E
I
know
that
ms
kessner
referred
to
this,
but
you
know
one
of
the
the
most
often
cited
individuals
on
critical
race
theory
is
ibrahim.
Kindy,
and
his
comments
specifically
are
to
cure
racism.
We
need
more
racism,
and-
and
we
can't
have
that
because
that's
why
this
bill
is
important
is
because
the
the
speaker's
bill
absolutely
is
doing
its
job
with
protecting
students
from
compelling
speech.
E
But
when
you
hear
one
of
the
thought
leaders
of
the
day
who
is
very
published
and
and
has
one
of
the
top
selling
books
on
the
new
york
times
list
and
it's
his
curriculum,
that's
being
put
in
the
to
classrooms,
if
it
is
his
mandate
or
is
his
his
declaration
that
we
we
need
to
cure
racism
with
more
discrimination,
that's
where
we,
as
as
as
representatives
of
the
people,
need
to
understand
that
we're
funding
some
of
this
behavior.
And
so
I
would
just
appeal
to
the
the
the
you
know.
E
The
committee
to
understand
the
these
bills
work
together,
not
in
cross
purposes,
but
I
also
think
as
a
legislative
body
that
is
up
to
us
to,
because
government
has
no
money.
We
know
that
the
government
has
no
money,
and
so,
when
taxpayers
send
us
here
through
votes,
we're
we're
stand
here
accountable
for
good
government
and
good
spending
of
that.
That
money-
and
I
stand
here
today,
working
a
bill
that
if,
if
this
is
not
happening,
it
should
not
be
of
concern
but
number
two.
It
simply
takes
u.s
code.
D
Okay,
well,
yeah.
I
don't
disagree
with
any
of
the
concept
we
are
where
we
are
today,
because
some
extreme
actions-
and
you
know
I
used
to
keep
using
that
analogy-
the
pendulum
is
now
starting
to
swing
back,
because
that's
right,
a
lot
of
this
legislation,
my
only
concern
is,
is
how
it's
the
language
I
kind
of
agree
with
my
two
former
representative
that
spoke.
D
D
E
D
A
E
A
G
A
H
A
I
A
A
E
A
B
Mine
will
go
a
lot
smoother
than
the
last
one.
I
wasn't
planning
on
that
long
debate.
Basically,
this
was
brought
to
me
with
the
state
board
of
education
in
the
tennessee
higher
education
commission,
and
it's
pretty
simple
bill
all
it
does.
Is
it
allows
the
commission
or
the
executive
director
to
appoint
a
designee
if
he's
unable
to
attend
it's
pretty
straightforward
any.
D
Questions
any
question
chairman
right:
you're
recognized
you've,
always
got
a
question
in
support
members.
This
is
known
those
eric
bills,
education,
recovery
and
innovation-
that
we
created
that
commission
two
years
ago,
they
came
back
with
a
very
good
report
about
six
suggestions.
This
is
one
of
them,
and
so
we
put
them
all
into
the
form
of
legislation,
and
so
I
support
it.
A
A
J
A
J
Mr
chairman
and
colleagues
house
bill
847
is,
is
basically
it's
exploring
all
the
possibilities
of
encouraging
educators
to
pursue
the
special
education
field.
Not
only
does
it
make
tennessee
competitive,
it
makes
us
more
attractive
and
it's
and
it's
known
as
the
tennessee
special
educators
scholarship
act.
Basically,
each
participant
would
receive
1500
a
year
toward
a
scholarship
and
in
return
they
commit
to
a
three-year
commitment
to
our
great
state,
and
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
renew
my
motion.
Thank.
J
A
B
You,
mr
chairman,
ben
torrez,
with
the
tennessee
school
boards
association,
we've
been
working
with
representative
hall
and
senator
bailey
over
and
represent
paul
cheryl
over
the
last
two
years
on
this.
Some
of
the
other
amendments
did
have
it
coming
from
the
lottery
funds,
but
we
actually
worked
with
t
heck
and
removed
all
the
lottery
funding
out
of
this.
So
it
would
be
an
appropriation.
A
A
A
I
J
You
recognized
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
representative
cochran.
I
do
believe
that
it's
going
to
be
funded.
I
understand
that
there's
a
huge
educator
shortage.
Therefore,
it's
sort
of
education,
special
education,
is
even
a
greater
need.
So
in
order
to
move
the
needle
in
a
positive
direction,
this
will
I
I
can't
speak
for
anybody,
but
I
would
like
to
just
work
the
bill
all
the
way
through
and
and
all
the
way
to
finance
and
let's
see
what
and
see
how
it
unfolds.
Okay,.
A
B
A
B
B
B
Fortunately,
after
talking
to
t
hack
through
administration
action
and
the
fact
that
some
federal
statutes
have
changed
and
some
previous
legislation
we
change
as
well,
it
looks
like
this
is
getting
expanded
and
we
can
do
this
administratively
right
now
and
as
much
as
I
was
like,
I
was
looking
forward
to
going
to
finance
with
a
funding
letter
and
bringing
this
out
from
behind
the
budget.
It
seems
like
we
have
gotten
this
done
already,
so
with
that
chairman.
A
A
H
4
2022
are
left
to
mourn
the
loss
of
a
loved
one
who
is
fighting
on
behalf
of
the
citizens
of
our
state
or
country,
and
we
know
we
can't
bring
those
people
back,
but
we
can
support
the
family,
and
this
is
just
one
way
by
making
sure
that,
by
providing
scholarships,
scholarships
to
the
spouse
as
well,
that
the
spouse
could
seek
to
complete
an
education
if
necessary
to
maybe
get
a
job
that
can
cover
the
impact
financially
from
losing
a
loved
one.
And
with
that
I
asked
the
committee
for
support
from
this
bill.
A
D
A
Thank
you,
chairman.
Any
other
questions.
Seeing
none.
This
particular
piece
of
legislation
like
several
on
our
calendar
today
falls
into
a
category
where
we
are
expanding
benefits
for
survivors
or
people
that
have
lost
a
loved
one
through
various
services.
Firefighters,
emts,
including
military
with
that
we
are
creating
a
summer
study
program,
because
a
lot
of
these
bills
are
competing
for
the
same
dollars
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
conduct
this
with
as
much
much
balance
as
possible.
Chairman
parkerson,
our
representative
parks
and
you're
recognizing
I'm.
H
A
chairman
I'm
chairman
of
the
black
caucus
you,
you
were
right,
okay
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
I
I
the
the
member
said
that
he
was
going
to
try
to
go
to
the
governor
or
go
to
through
the
budget
process,
to
try
to
pull
the
money
down
for
this
bill.
Just
as
representative
hall
did
in
the
previous
bill,
can
we
extend
him
the
same
courtesy
that
we
extended
to
to
the
previous
representative
instead
of
sending
this
to
summer
study?
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yeah.
I'm
definitely
like
this
bill,
I'm
just
confused
along
with
chairman
white,
because
I'm
looking
at
our
dashboard
here
and
it
does
say
22
million-
and
you
know
I
need
some
clarity
on
there-
I'm
fine
with
it
to
go
behind
the
budget,
though,
if
we
voted
out,
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarity
so.
A
Thanks
for
helping
me
with
the
spotlight
today,
yeah
appreciate
that,
okay
to
parkinson's
question,
representative
chairman,
parkinson's
question:
yes,
that
is
a
fair
request.
We
can
go
ahead
and
take
vote
on
bill
if
we
don't
have
any
other
questions,
seeing
none
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
of
passing
house
bill.
Sorry,
I've
lost
my
place
here
house
bill
2822
on
to
full,
please
indicate
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
No
and
the
eyes
have
it
and
chairman.
This
is
still
one
of
my
favorite
committees.
Thank
you.
So.
H
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
committee
basically
house
bill.
1741
is
an
attempt
to
help,
retain
and
recruit
good
teachers,
and
it
just
gives
them
one
college
class
at
a
state
college
for
a
graduate
course.
I
call
it
the
carrot
and
stick
approach.
It's
just
one
one
class,
that's
all!
It
may
be
a
small
step,
but
I
think
it's
a
right
step
to
encourage
teacher
to
get
the
graduate
degree
and
kind
of
show
our
appreciation.
D
D
One
class:
yes,
sir
okay,
I'm
not
saying
one
way
another
about
your
bill,
but
this
is.
This
is
what
created
the
lottery
calendar
a
few
years
ago,
because
we
kept
passing
things
and
one
more
one.
More
and
pretty
soon
our
higher
ed
was
was
sucking
money
money
to
the
tune
of
20
million
dollars
that
they
weren't
getting
back.
D
K
Well,
I
understand
that.
That's
one
reason
I
appreciate
your
questions.
I
knew
I'd
probably
be
asked
that,
but
I
think
this
is
you
know
when
we
see
the
system
and
what's
going
on,
I
mean
it's
a
serious
issue.
I
mean
a
serious
issue
with
the
next
bill
as
well
with
losing
correctional
officers.
But
my
argument
is
you:
you
give
one
teacher
one
class,
there's
a
probably
a
70
chance,
they're
going
to
go
back
and
take
a
second
class,
a
third
class,
a
fourth
class
and
then
you've
got.
I
think,
a
positive
fiscal
note.
K
I
disagree
with
how
those
numbers
are
are
ran,
but
I
think
it's
a
small
step
to
it
to
encourage
them,
and
you
know
I
ran
a
bill
a
few
years
ago.
Well,
several
years
ago,
it's
a
fee
waiver
for
part-time
state
employees
and
what
bothered
me
it
was
a
a
young
lady
working
for
the
state.
The
college
president
worked
there
three
years
working
38
hours
a
week,
no
benefits
going
to
school.
K
There
graduated
state
didn't
help
her
one
penny
and
we
passed
that
bill
and
it
did
help
them
and
encourage
a
lot
of
those
employees
to
seek
higher
education.
So
thank
you,
chairman
white,
for
your
for
your
concerns,
but
I'm
looking
forward
to
more
discussion
on
this
because
I
do
think
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
J
K
Yeah,
I
think
it's
just
given
the
first.
The
first
course
just
want
just
one
class
and
I
do
think,
there's
a
there's,
a
good
likelihood
from
an
economic
perspective
that
once
they
get
acclimated
in
the
and
and
going
back
to
school,
they'll
be
more
comfortable,
build
relationships
and
I'm
hoping
that
the
esteemed
professor
up
there
would
agree
with
me
at
least
I
hope
so.
K
I
know
from
my
perspective,
going
back
to
school
as
an
adult
adult
learner,
it's
intimidating
at
first,
but
once
you
start
going,
it's
a
little
bit
more
easier
to
take
another
class,
and
you
know
you
learn
your
way
around
the
university
and
I
really
do.
I
do
think
this
is
a
good,
a
good
bill
and
I
do
think
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction
for
for
trying
to
encourage
our
teachers
to
get
a
sick,
a
higher
undergraduate
degree.
D
A
K
K
I
K
A
K
D
Thank
you,
sorry,
committee,
for
your
indulgence.
I
really
believe
tennessee
reconnect
covers
a
lot
of
this
and
I'm
not
so
sure
we're
setting
up
duplicate.
If
you
go
through
it,
you
know
if
you
do
not
have
an
undergraduate
degree
and
you
want
to
go
back
and
start
taking
courses.
Anybody
on
the
committee.
I
know
what
we
didn't
ask
anybody
probably
to
speak
from,
but
I
think
tennessee
reconnect
addresses
what
you
do
so,
I'm
not
so
sure
by
having
our
universities
take
on
this
expense
that
it
would
be
necessary.
D
K
K
A
B
You,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
2365,
authorizes
a
child
under
24
years
of
age
to
receive
a
25
discount
on
tuition
to
any
state
institution
of
higher
education.
If
the
child's
parent
is
a
full-time
educational
employee
in
any
public
school
in
tennessee
right
now
we
have
the
full-time
certified
teachers.
B
D
B
D
It's
follow-up,
this
last
dollar,
when
you
fill
out
the
fafsa,
then
you
get
the
pell
grants
and
everything
as
you
start
to
go
to
to
college
or
your
four-year,
and
then
it
covers
anything
left
over
the
tennessee
promise.
So
basically
any
18
year
old
in
our
state
that
graduates
from
high
school
they
go
the
proper
channels
they
can
go,
they
can
go
well,
they
start
at
it.
Really
a
technical
school
and
or
to
your
community
college
is
what
it
does
cover
you're,
probably
asking
for
four
years
four-year
institutions
where
they
get
the
hope
scholarship.
B
I
Representative
to
your
point-
and
I
think
it
was
just
mentioned
also-
this
would
at
least
put
everyone
going
to
a
four-year
institution.
The
the
children
of
full-time
education,
employees,
teachers
and
anyone
else
that
works
for
a
for
a
school
system
puts
them
on
a
level
playing
field.
So
I
was
just
going
to
draw
that
distinction.
This
would,
if
you're
going
to
a
four-year
institution,
it
would
put
those
students
kind
of
on
the
same
on
the
same
plane,
correct.
B
A
A
J
J
J
However,
not
all
of
them
do
that,
and
a
number
of
them
do
not
have
any
procedures
that
clarify
procedures
for
non-faculty
employees.
What
this
bill
does
is
simply
require
them
to
put
it
on
their
website,
so
that
non-faculty
members
can
access
it
as
easily
as
anybody
else
and
know
what
the
procedures
the
steps
are.
It
doesn't
do
anything
about
how
the
university
handles
it
that's
already
in
code.
J
This
just
makes
sure
that
everybody
gets
the
same
information
and
perhaps
importantly,
as
many
of
you
know,
from
having
heard
me
before,
I'm
a
great
believer
in
standardization
across
our
state,
so
that
if
one
moves
from
one
institution
to
another,
it's
not
relearning
everything
all
at
once.
This
particular
bill
does
nothing
more
than
create
transparency,
and
with
that
I
ask
for
your
support.