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House Education Instruction Committee- March 30, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
Good
morning
and
thank
you
for
joining,
you
are
an
education
instruction,
full
committee,
and
we
hope
this
will
be
our
last
calendar.
But
I'm
not
going
to
say
until
we
know
it's
over,
but
anyway
we.
This
is
wednesday
march
the
30th,
and
we
are
grateful
to
have
you
here.
So
will
the
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
if
you
would
like
to
join
us,
we
are
going
to
say
the
pledge
of
allegiance
at
this
time.
A
A
Thank
you
so
much
members,
anyone
have
any
personal
orders.
All
right.
I
see
chairman
reagan,
you're
recognized.
C
C
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
this
is
a
day
to
have
our
youngsters
in
the
hallways
and
I'm
always
thrilled
to
see
young
people
want
to
know
what
goes
on
down
here
in
cordell
hall.
So
I
have
a
young
lady
shadowing
me,
anya
shepard.
Would
you
stand
and
would
you
all
please
make
her
welcome.
D
A
Yes,
welcome
to
you
and
chairman
sepiki.
E
You're
recognizing
thank
you
members.
I
too
have
a
a
shadow
from
the
tennessee
eagle
forum.
Timothy
lyon
is
here:
timothy
you'll
stand
up.
He
is
a
shadow,
as
you
can
see
of
me.
E
It's
interesting
having
a
young
man
that
is
actually
bigger
than
me,
so
it
makes
me
feel
small
today,
but
timothy
is
a
very
good
young
man
he's
already
been
in
a
bunch
of
meetings
with
me
and
has
asked
some
very,
very
good
questions
that
I
know
will
make
some
people
nervous,
because
it's
giving
me
ideas
for
some
other
bills.
So
thank
you
very
much,
timothy.
A
Welcome
and
representative
mantis
you're
recognized.
F
F
A
F
Thank
you,
chair
lady.
I
hate
to
circle
back
around
again,
but
I
just
want
to
recognize
another
knox.
County
federal
knox
county
and
it's
michael
shope
is
here
with
us
today.
Michael
sorry,
I
forgot
to
announce
you
earlier,
but
thank
you
for
being
here.
A
We
do
appreciate
all
efforts
to
get
here
and
it's
what
makes
it
work
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
even
those
joining
us
on
the
internet.
We
I'm
gonna,
take
privilege
today.
The
first
bill
is
mine
and
I'm
gonna
roll
myself
to
the
heel,
and
so
first
of
all,
I
don't
think
I
gavel
this
into
sessions.
So
let
me
do
that.
We
are
now
in
session
I'm
going
to
roll
myself
to
the
heel
of
the
calendar
today
and
chairman
supiki.
A
F
I
know
I'm
out
of
order,
but
I'm
bouncing
back
and
forth
between
finance.
I
just
wanted
to.
H
A
A
Yes,
I'll
be
having
my
handy-dandy
sheet
here,
those
representatives
that
voted
no
sipiki,
dixie
harris,
hasten
manus,
mckenzie,
parkinson
and
white.
A
A
B
A
A
Okay,
we
we've
come
to
an
agreement
we
would
like
the
clerks
would
like
to,
and
I
and
I'm
asking
also
to
redo
the
the
roll
call.
So
everybody
speak
up
and
clearly
for
each
other,
and
so,
madam
clerks,
will
you
please
do
the
roll
call.
J
B
A
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
house,
bill
1683
increases
from
a
half
a
credit
to
one
credit.
The
number
of
credits
that
may
be
awarded
to
a
student
for
a
completed
in
a
release
court
release
time
course.
In
2015
we
passed
the
bill
house
bill
834
that
did
the
original
time
release
course
and
that
has
statewide
applications.
K
So
it's
been
around
for
seven
years
in
2019
we
came
back
with
house
bill
307,
and
that
was
gave
this
a
half
a
credit,
and
I
know
some
of
the
members
wanted
to
wait
a
couple
years
and
see
how
how
this
was
doing.
But
it's
doing
great.
This
bill's
been
around.
This
has
been
legal
in
the
u.s
since
1952
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
more
later,
but
many
other
states
are
doing
it
now
and
we'll
we'll
talk
about
that.
K
As
about
how
many
how
many
different
states
are
doing
this,
this
is
nothing
new.
I
think
the
last
time
we
were
here,
maybe
I
didn't
make
that
clear
enough.
This
is
something
that's
been
around
for
seven
years
and
all
we're
doing
this
build
is
simply
increases
it
from
one
half
credit
to
one
full
credit.
It's
an
elective
course
and
we're
already
doing
it
in
some
areas
and
some
other
areas
are
starting
to
do
it.
K
So,
with
that,
madam
chair,
what
I
would
like
to
do,
if
you
don't
care,
is
go
out
of
session,
and
I
would
like
to
just
to
make
clear
that
everybody
knows
that
this
bill
has
been
here
since
2015..
K
If
we
would
have
legal,
go
back
and
read
the
original
title,
the
tca
that
referred
to
this
bill
and
have
her
just
talk
about
that.
The
original
code
that
put
this
bill
into
order
in
2015
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
A
Okay,
legal:
we
will
go
out
of
session,
so
we
can
hear
from
legal.
L
Katie
robertson
office
of
legal
services,
tca
section
492-130,
is
the
section
that
deals
with
release
time
courses
and
it
states,
as
used
in
this
section
release.
Time
course
means
a
period
of
time
during
which
a
student
is
excused
from
school
to
attend
a
course
in
religious
moral
instruction
taught
by
an
independent
entity
off
school
property.
L
A
local
board
of
education
may
adopt
a
policy
that
excuses
a
student
from
school
to
attend
a
release
time
course
in
religious
moral
instruction
for
no
more
than
one
class
period
per
school
day,
provided
that
the
student's
parent
or
legal
guardian
signs
a
written
consent
form
prior
to
the
student's
participation
in
the
release.
Time
course.
The
release
time
course
shall
be
conducted
off
public
school
property.
L
Notwithstanding
the
subdivision
previously
stated
a
local
board
of
education
that
provides
school
transportation
services
for
students
under
title
or
under
chapter
6.
Part
21
of
this
title
may
provide
students
attending
a
release
time
course
with
transportation
to
and
from
the
place
of
instruction.
If
the
independent
entity
reimburses
the
lea
for
the
cost
and
expenses
of
providing
the
transportation
services,
the
independent
entity
assumes
liability
for
this
student
attending
the
release.
L
Time
course,
from
the
time
that
the
student
leaves
the
school
until
the
student
returns
to
the
school,
no
public
funds
are
expended
and
no
public
school
personnel
are
involved
in
the
providing
of
the
instruction
for
the
release
time
courses,
the
student
assumes
responsibility
for
any
missed
school
work.
The
principal
of
the
school
or
the
principal's
designee
shall
determine
the
classes
for
which
the
student
may
be
excused
to
participate
in
the
release.
L
The
written
consent
form
under
the
subdivision
previously
stated
shall
be
provided
a
disclaimer
that
eliminates
any
actual
or
perceived
affirmative
school
sponsorship,
or
attribution
to
the
lea
of
an
endorsement
of
a
religious
instruction
and
waives
any
right
of
the
student's
parent
or
legal
guardian
to
hold
the
school,
the
lea
the
employees
of
the
school
or
lea
or
the
state
liable
for
the
student
participating
in
a
release.
Time
course,
instructors
of
a
release.
Time
courses
are
not
required
to
be
licensed
or
certificated.
L
Pursuant
to
chapter
5
of
this
title
instruction,
instructors
or
employees
of
the
release,
time
forces
shall
be
hired
by
the
independent
entity.
A
student
who
attends
a
release
time
course
shall
be
credited
with
time
spent
as
if
the
student
attended
school
and
the
time
shall
be
calculated
as
part
of
the
actual
school
day,
a
local
board
of
education
may
adopt
a
policy
to
award
students
credit
for
work
completed
in
a
release.
L
Time
course
that
is
substantiated
by
a
transcript
from
the
entity
that
provide
provided
that
the
release
time
course,
if
a
board
adopts
a
policy
in
accordance
with
this
subsection,
then
a
student
may
be
awarded
one
half
unit
of
elective
credit
for
the
completion
of
each
release.
Time
course,
in
order
to
determine
whether
the
elective
credit
may
be
awarded
for
the
student's
completion
of
the
release.
Time
course,
the
local
board
of
education
shall
evaluate
the
course
in
a
neutral
manner.
That
does
not
involve
any
tests
for
religious
content
or
denominational
affiliation
for
purposes
of
this
subsection.
L
The
secular
criteria
used
to
evaluate
a
release.
Time
course
must
include,
or
may
include,
excuse
me
the
amount
of
classroom
instruction
time
the
course
syllabus,
which
reflects
the
course
requirements
and
any
materials
used
in
the
course
methods
of
assessment
used
in
the
course
and
whether
the
course
was
taught
by
an
instructor
licensed
pursuant
to
chapter
five
of
this
title.
L
A
public
school
shout
upon
the
request
of
a
student's
parent
or
legal
guardian,
excuse
a
student
from
school
to
attend
a
release
time
course
in
religious
moral
instruction
for
one
hour
per
school
day,
regardless
of
whether
the
local
board
of
education
has
adopted
a
policy
under
subsection
b.
If
the
requirements
listed
in
subdivisions
b1
through
9
are
met,
subsections
c,
through
f
of
this
section,
apply
to
students
attending
a
release.
Time
course,
under
this
subsection
h,
okay,.
A
Thank
you.
Excuse
me,
members,
just
so
you
know
we
do
have
three
people
who
called
in
that
wanted
to
testify.
So
can
I
ask
those
that
are
on
the
list?
Is
your
question
for
legal
all
right?
I
recognize
representing
mckenzie.
First.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
and
and
my
question
is
at
at
one
point
during
your
initial
definition,
which
says
remains
intact.
There
should
be
no
secular
instruction.
L
Katie
robertson
office
of
legal
services,
the
definition
of
release
time
course
is
means
a
period
of
time
during
which
a
student
is
excused
from
school
to
attend
a
course
in
religious
moral
instruction
taught
by
an
independent
entity
off
school
property
in
the
determination
of
whether
elective
credit
should
be
offered
for
the
release
time
course,
the
determination
must
not
involve
any
tests
for
religious
content
or
our
denominational
affiliation
and
the
secular
criteria
used
to
evaluate
the
release.
Time
course
must
include
things
listed.
J
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
hope
everyone
heard
that
I
mean
so
we're,
probably
in
my
opinion,
nobody's
lawyer
that,
based
on
that
definition,
the
ones
in
campbell
county
and
wherever
else
we're
doing
them,
probably
not
in
line
again,
you
know
sunday
school
is
for
that
is
for
this
is
what
I
think
they
were
trying
to
get
at
with
the
initial
setting
up
of
this
course,
and
I
don't
think
we're
probably
not
doing
that
across
the
state
and
now
we're
trying
to
enhance
it.
J
So
I'm
pretty
sure
I
heard
you
right
and
now,
if
we're
going
to
make
this
non-denominational
non-secular,
I
don't
think
we've
been
doing
that.
I
don't
think
that's
what
I
heard
in
subcommittee
when
there
was
testimony.
I
don't
think
that's
what's
being
done
across
this
state,
so
I
think
we
better
be
careful.
What
we're
asking
for.
A
J
Are
we
with
the
testimony
you
heard
in
subcommittee
and
legal
from
the
the
place
in
the
the
church?
That's
close
to
campbell
county
high
school,
which
is
a
baptist
church?
Does
that
meet
the
criterion
that
you
just
laid
out
in
the
original
law?
Is
that
that
I
think
that
is
a
what
I
was
speaking
to,
but
thank
you
for
accelerating
my
question
I'll
try
to
do
that
in
the
past
in
the
future
as
well.
L
Katie
robertson
office
of
legal
services
that
would
be
fact
dependent
and
require
an
opinion
of
it
and
our
office
does
not
provide
opinions.
J
Mckenzie,
thank
you,
okay,
but
there
wasn't
an
opinion.
It's
at
a
baptist
church-
and
I
know
I
heard
during
that
conversation-
jesus
christ,
which
I
fully
agree
with.
So
let's
be
clear
about
this,
but
that's
for
sunday
school!
That's
for
my
baptist
church.
So
again
I'll
ask
the
question.
Based
on
the
testimony
that
was
given
before
are
we
in?
Are
we
currently
in
compliance
with
the
original
law
that
we're
trying
to
expand.
A
A
E
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
and
mr
sponsor.
So
you
know
you
know
I
really
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
bill.
However,
yeah
y'all
surprised
him.
I
I
really
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
bill.
I
really
don't,
but
my
question
is
my
question:
is
from
a
funding
standpoint
with
our
funding
formula
and
the
new
funding
formula.
E
Could
could
the
could
the
the
sponsor
of
the
question
clarify
because
the
new
funding
formula
is
not
state
law
and
on
the
committee
that
I've
served
on
that's
evaluating
that
this?
This
bill
has
changed
almost
11
times
in
the
last
three
weeks.
So
is
the
question
of
as
the
precurrent
proposal
of
tisa?
E
M
M
I
will.
I
will
give
you
that,
but
and
so
let's,
let's
start
with
currently
bp
and
and
as
we
know,
there
are
federal
dollars
involved
with
bep
and
we
are
allowing
students
to
go
to
these
classes
and
receive
a
credit
for
our
half
credit
at
this
right.
Now.
L
Legal
katie
robertson
office
of
legal
services,
the
section
that
I
just
read,
49
to
130
dealing
with
release
time
courses
states
that
no
public
funds
are
expended
and
no
public
school
personnel
are
involved
in
providing
instruction
to
release
time
courses.
M
You,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
that
legal
and
then,
if
that
is
the
case,
then
there
should
be
possibly
a
reduction
in
funding
in
the
cases
that
where
this
is
exercised,
if
no
funding
is
being
used,
am
I
correct
or
incorrect,
because
if
the
funding
stayed
exactly
the
same,
then
that
means
that
funds
are
being
used.
Can
you
help
me
with
that
counselor
katie?
N
For
joel
bejoy
office
of
legal
services
under
subsection
f
of
that
same
section,
492
130,
it
states
that
a
student
who
attends
a
release
time
course
shall
be
credited
with
time
spent
as
if
the
student
attended,
the
school
and
the
time
she'll
be
calculated
as
part
of
the
actual
school
day.
So
there's
no
funding
difference,
regardless
of
whether
the
student
is
at
a
really
release
time
course
or
not.
M
And-
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
that
to
our
counselors.
M
Well,
if
that's
the
case,
then
it
sounds
like
we
may
have
been
out
of
compliance
in
regards
to
funding,
because
if
this
is
all
tied
to
that
student
being
as
if
they
are
in
the
classroom
there
is
there
is
funding
associated
with
that
and
and
funding
is
going
towards
this,
which
may
put
us
have
put
us
out
of
compliance
federally
right,
even
though-
and
let
me
be
clear
again
and
to
the
sponsor
I'm
with
you
on
your
bill-
okay,
okay,
but
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
monies
the
the
funding
that's
allocated
to
our
public
schools
is
in
no
way
tied
to
you
know:
students
leaving
the
school
for
for
the
religious
purposes.
M
N
Bajoy
office
of
legal
services,
so
from
my
understanding
since
subsection
f
specifies
that
a
student
in
a
release,
time
course
is
basically
considered
at
school
and
that's
calculated
as
part
of
the
actual
school
day.
Whether
or
not
students
are
in
release
time
courses
will
not
impact
the
amount
of
funding
that
goes
to
the
district.
The
student
isn't
bringing
money
with
them
when
they
leave
the
school
grounds
to
go
to
a
release.
Time
course
that
money
stays
with
the
district.
M
And,
and-
and
thank
you
for
that,
while
I
appreciate
you
know
what
you're
saying
I,
you
know
that
money
is
staying
with
the
district
as
if
that
student
was
still
in
school,
because,
according
to
what
you
said
earlier,
that
this
is
still
part
of
the
school
day
for
that
student
and
that
student
is
receiving
a
credit,
you
know
as
tied
to
them
as
if
this
is
part
of
their
school
day
and
it
just
it
just
begs
the
question
of
you
know:
are
we
outside
of
our
compliance
federally
with
federal
funds,
because
that
those
federal
funds
are
still
being
allocated
as
if
that
student
was
in
school?
M
And
you
don't?
You
know
you
don't
have
to
answer
that.
But
you
know
you
don't
have
to
answer
it
now,
because
it's
probably
hard
to
get
the
answer
right
now,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
that
we
should
get
the
answer
for
so
that
we're
not
at
risk
of
of
losing
any
federal
funding
in
regards
to
to
to
this
matter,
and
you
know
but,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
a,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
M
A
A
Now:
okay,
stephanie
lloyd!
If
you're
here
will
you
come
forward
and
lynn
ray
and
michael
show?
Am
I
saying
that
correct
if
you'll
come
forward
and
when
you
get
your
mics
turned
on
re,
introduce
yourself
and
who
you're
with
and
I'm
we'll
give
you
three
minutes
each.
O
I'm
michael
shope
on
the
board
of
the
campbell
county
christian
learning
center,
a
resident
of
knox
county
as
representative
manus
mentioned,
and
there
were
just
a
few
things
that
I
wanted
to
to
speak
about
in
regards
to
our
program
and
any
other
programs
in
the
state
and
sort
of
how
we
got
here.
O
O
The
opinion
was
pinned
by
a
supreme
court
justice
who
was
nominated
by
franklin
d,
roosevelt,
who
was
a
noted
opponent
to
the
vietnam
war
and
an
avid
environmentalist,
and
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
before
reading
his
words
in
this
opinion
that
passed
six
to
three
this,
this
opinion
upheld
a
new
york
program's
right
to
continue
with
release
time
education
and
he
stated
when
the
state
encourages
religious
instruction
or
cooperates
with
religious
authorities
by
adjusting
the
schedule
of
public
events
to
sectarian
needs.
O
O
It
it's
interesting
to
me
to
note
that
what
would
be
considered
a
classic-
you
know
liberal
justice
recognized
in
1952,
the
spiritual
needs
of
our
people,
and
particularly
our
young
people,
who
are
committing
suicide
as
teenagers
at
a
higher
rate
than
any
society
has
ever
committed
suicide
in
the
history
of
of
the
world
that
we're
aware
of,
and
I
and
I
have
to
wonder
if
there's
some
connection
between
not
meeting
spiritual
needs
and
what
we're
seeing.
O
P
Hi,
my
name
is
stephanie
lloyd.
I
am
a
licensed
tennessee
teacher
and
I'm
the
teacher
and
program
director
at
the
campbell
county
christian
learning
center,
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
few
things
from
some
earlier
questions.
My
understanding
of
the
previous
credit
bill
that
that
allows
local
school
boards
to
award
up
to
half
a
credit
that
they
are
evaluating
course
material
based
on
secular
academic
criteria.
P
It
is
their
responsibility
to
evaluate
that
and
determine
whether
or
not
that
receives
elective
credit.
And
so
we
just
would
like
to
ask
that
that
they
would
be
able
to
make
that
evaluation
and
then
decide
whether
it's
worthy
of
that.
I
Lynn,
ray
pastor
of
hillcrest
baptist
church,
former
public
school
principal
for
20
years,
public
school
teacher,
first
teacher
of
this
class
before
stephanie,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
miss
stephanie
I've
observed
her
and
I've.
I've
observed
a
lot
of
teachers
in
my
career.
She
is
one
of
the
most
professional,
most
intelligent,
hard-working
teachers.
I've
ever
had
to
observe
and
I'm
glad
she's
there.
I
So
with
that
said,
these
students
work
really
hard.
They
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
the
work
that
they
do.
It's
very
rigorous
one
of
the
students
even
commented
that
this
is
one
of
the
harder
classes
that
she
has
to
take
as
far
as
rigor,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
quickly
that
we
right
now
in
tennessee
are
receiving
half
credit
for
this
rigorous
class.
These
tennessee
students
are
only
receiving
half
credit
alabama
students
receive
a
full
credit.
I
Indiana
students
receive
one
full
credit
for
the
same
thing.
Utah
students
receive
a
full
credit.
Ohio
students
receive
one
full
credit.
South
carolina
receives
one
full
credit
for
the
same
class.
All
we're
asking
today
we're
not
asking
for
permission
or
approval
of
this
program.
It's
it's
legal!
It's
in
place.
It's
been
going
for
seven
years,
we're
just
asking
for
these
students
on
behalf
of
these
students,
these
tennessee
students
that
they
get
a
full
credit.
J
G
I
G
Correct
yes,
this
has
been
one
of
the
issues
we've
had
this
bill
before
us
four
times
and
and
most
of
we're
supportive
of
the
concept.
That's
not
the
issue
right,
it's
being
away
from
class
time,
because
in
some
there's
transportation
issues
there's,
and
so
you
know
in
campbell
county,
it's
across
the
street
right.
O
This
course
was
offered
with
no
credit
initially,
and
it
lasted
one
one
full
class
period.
Now
that
it's
offered
with
half
a
credit,
it
lasts
one
full
class
period.
If
the
students
are
afforded
the
opportunity
to
earn
a
full
credit,
it
will
still
last
one
full
class
period.
So
the
the
program
is
going
to
occur
whether
or
not
credits
are
offered
by
the
local
school
board.
G
O
It's
on
the
church
campus
in
a
separate,
separate
building
from
the
like,
where
the
sanctuary
is,
but
but
yes,
it
is
walking
distance
and
and
not
every
school
in
the
state
will
have
facilities
within
walking
distance
of
the
school
and
that's
when
the
local
school
board
needs
to
evaluate
whether
or
not
it's
appropriate
to
offer
credit
for
a
course
in
that
particular
county.
O
What
this
does
it
gives
the
schools
and
the
counties
where
there
is
such
a
facility,
that's
accessible
within
a
class
change
time
to
have
such
a
class
and
and
again,
even
if
it
was
in
a
place
where
maybe
they
had
to
drive
10
minutes.
O
They
can
still
offer
that
course,
according
to
the
supreme
court
ruling
from
1952
and
the
kids
can
leave
school
to
go.
Take
that
class.
But
it's
up
to
the
school
board
to
determine.
Does
that
drive
time?
Take
away
from
the
instruction
time
such
that
less
than
one
full
credit
should
be
awarded,
which
they
would
still
have
the
option
to
do?
O
They
could
still
offer
a
half
credit
for
a
course
that
occurred
15
minutes
away
from
the
school,
but
for
places
like
campbell,
county
and
places
anywhere
in
the
state
where,
where
the
board
of
education
deems
that
the
instruction
is
worthy
of
a
credit,
this
amendment
would
give
them
the
opportunity
to
afford
that
credit.
Okay,.
A
Next
on
our
list,
representative
parkinson.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
I
I
was
going
to
ask
about
the
you
know
how
your
program
is
structured,
and
I
think
you
answered
most
of
that,
and-
and
maybe
this
is
for
the
for
the
sponsor,
because
I
just
want
to
know
is:
is
it
permissive
in
nature
or
how
does
this
work
in
regards
to
uniformity
across
the
entire
state?
So
I'll
come
back
to
the
sponsor
when
we,
when
we
get
back
out
of
session?
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
sparks
you're,
recognized.
Q
B
Q
It
I
can
direct
it
to
to
the
folks
here.
I
was
just
reading
this
email,
but
I
often
often
say
that
the
the
first
amendment's
under
under
attack-
I
don't
think
many
people,
believe
it
but
the
school
that
sent
me
this.
This
text
here
just
want
to
share
this
with
you,
stewards,
creek
high
school.
I
had
a
reporter
call
me
about
10
years
ago,
a
reporter
wanted
to
interview
me.
I
just
got
through
speaking
about
affordable
housing.
Q
At
another
event,
they
wasn't
interested
in
that
they
were
interested
in
this
this
prayer
at
a
school.
I'm
like
how
does
this
make
news?
Did
anybody
complains?
Oh
nobody
complained.
I
said
well,
how
is
this
newsworthy?
Q
I
see
that
as
a
first
amendment
issue,
they
had
to
call
dc
someone
in
washington
dc
to
get
a
quote
for
a
story
couldn't
find
nobody
local
to
complain
about
it.
My
dad
always
used
a
term
called
cattywampus
cattywampus.
I
don't
know
if
y'all
know
that
term
cattywampus
and
that's
when
things
were
just
getting
crazy,
just
did
not
work
did
not
line
up.
It
was
world
war
ii
and
we
kind
of
become
cattywompus
in
a
way.
Q
In
our
society
and
that's
george
creek-
that's
a
great
school
by
the
way
great
school,
but
they
couldn't
find
nobody
complain,
and
I
know
the
reporter.
I
won't
say
his
name,
and
I
said
why
do
you
do
this?
He
says
this
is
what
they
sent
me
over
here.
For
I
said
man.
I
know
you're
a
believer.
I
know
you
are
later.
I
seen
him
in
front
of
the
governor's
office,
hey
man.
I
left
that
news
station.
Q
Q
One
of
the
main
reasons
I
hear
teachers
upset
want
to
leave,
and
I
think
everyone
in
this
room
that
follows
education
would
agree
with.
This
is
the
behavior
of
students
today
and
you
all
are
in
a
rural
area.
I
would
think
your
students
probably
behave
a
little
bit
better
than
some
of
the
inner
city
in
my
area.
You
know
we
got
I'm
just
saying
my
my
district.
Now
you,
if
you
speak
five
times,
I'm
going
to
speak
once
brother.
All
right
so
hold.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
madam
chair,
to
make
a
generalization
that
inner
city,
kids
behavior,
is
worse
than
that
of
rural
kids
is
out
of
order
completely
out
of
order,
and
and
and
I
hope
that
the
the
member
that
made
that
statement
will
think
about
what
he
just
said
and
retract
it,
because
that
is
completely
out
of
order.
Okay,
madam
chair
representative,.
Q
M
M
Again,
madam
chair,
I
will
take
the
high
road
in
this.
We
do
have
the
right
to
speak,
but
we
do
not
have
the
right
to
make
baseless,
factless
generalizations
about
groups
of
people.
Yes,
you
have
the
first
amendment
right.
Yes,
you
do,
but
you
do
not
have
the
right
to
make
factless
and
baseless
generalizations
about
people
based
on
where
they
live,
and
because
that
which
what
you
said
was
not
fact,
and
so
I
hope
you
will.
M
I
hope
you
will
trigger
the
christianity
that
you
claim
you
have
and
and
think
about
what
you
just
said
and
retract
it
please.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
committee.
A
Q
Just
have
a
question:
yeah
facts:
memphis
number,
one
for
violent
crime
fact
number
two
metro
number
four
in
the
nation
fact:
our
prison
budget
is
one
point.
Two
billion
representative.
B
Q
I
Definitely
in
my
20
years,
I've
seen
a
change
in
our
culture
nationwide
and
that
that's
not
just
for
students,
that's
with
with
with
our
country
with
our
world
and
I've
done
mission
trips
in
different
parts
of
the
world
and
I've
taught
in
the
classroom
and
I've
worked
here
in
the
inner
city
in
nashville
and
kids
are
kids
and
they
know
who
loves
them
and,
and
they
will
respond
to
love,
they
will
respond
to
respect.
I
And
if
you've
got
someone
with
a
heart,
you
know
when
you
teach
and
you're
an
educator
you're
called
to
that.
I
told
my
daughter.
She
said
dad,
I'm
thinking
about
being
a
school
teacher,
and
I
said
well,
that's
wonderful,
but
you
need
to
know
that
you're
called
to
that
you've
got
to
have
a
love
for
children.
You
know
wherever
they're
at
whatever
city,
whatever
yeah
with
that
said,
I
want
to
say
this
that
one
of
my
number
one
heroes-
and
this
is
the
honest
truth.
I
You
hope
that
a
pastor
would
say
the
honest
truth
right,
but
martin
luther
king
martin
luther
king
jr
is
one
of
my
all-time
number
one
heroes
and
he
and
I
share
a
lot
in
common
he's
a
baptist
minister
and
and
he
and
I
enjoyed
preaching
to
our
congregations
and
a
lot
of
things
that
he
did
he's
a
hero
of
mine,
and
I
think
about
this.
You
know
what
we're
doing
we're
introducing
children
to
moral
and
religious
instruction.
Any
group
can
do
that
if
they
meet
all
the
criteria.
I
Okay,
but
but
principals
that
have
students
that
come
back
from
these
release.
Time
courses
are
showing
a
change
in
behavior
good
to
the
good
they're,
showing
an
increase
in
academic
achievement,
they're
becoming
better
citizens.
It's
not
so
much
that
they've
been
converted.
It's
just
that
they've
been
exposed
to
good
moral
instruction.
Martin
luther
king
jr
used
the
bible
to
create
his
worldview.
That's
how
he
viewed
this
world
and
I'm
thinking
if
it
was
good
enough
for
him.
It's
good
enough
for
anybody
to
read
whether
they
become
a
believer
or
not.
I
I
His
political
and
his
whole
world
view
was
based
upon
what
he
found
in
the
bible,
and
so
I
don't
think
it's
a
bad
thing
that
they
are
being
exposed
to
this.
It's
a
good
thing.
Have
I
seen
a
change
yet
and
and
that's
something
we
have
to
address
on
many
different
levels,
not
just
school.
That's
in
the
church,
it's
in
our
community.
It's
in
our
organizations,
all
those
things
you've
given
the
baptist
minister
time
to
speak
I'll,
shut
up
and
close
okay,
but
but
yes,
but
it's
not
it's
it's
it's!
I
It's
not
impossible.
It's
not
impossible
that
this
can't
be
turned
around,
and
this
is
an
effort
to
do
that
in
a
way
not
only
provide
academic
rigor
and
instruction
and
meet
some
of
our
standards,
but
also
to
mold
that
moral
compass
for
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
have
any
moral
compass
you
know
whatsoever.
We
have
students
that
are
coming
this
class
that
have
no
church
affiliation,
no
religious
affiliation
and
they're,
getting
some
moral
instruction.
I
So
as
a
pastor
and
as
a
principal
former
principal
I'm
I'm
happy
about
this,
I'm
looking
at
it
from
both
sides
of
the
coin.
You
know
and
yeah
it's
all
win-win
for
everybody.
Community
state
country
pass
the
plate.
Now,
if
someone
come
to
the
piano.
A
Q
Got
one
more
just
real,
quick
something
dr
king
said
that
I
really
like
he
said
our
lives
begin
to
end.
Will
we
become
silent
about
the
things
that
matter
and
this
brother
right
here?
Ain't
gonna
be
silent.
I
appreciate
what
you
do,
keep
it
up
and
all
these
other
educators
out
there
that
are
struggling
with
these
kids.
May
god
bless
them,
because
I
hear
a
lot
of
bad
stories.
Thank
you
for
you
for
your
time
to
come
up
here
today,
sir.
F
F
I
have
two
daughters
in
high
school
and
right
now,
when
they
take
a
credit,
just
four
semesters,
it's
only
a
half,
so
I
don't
understand
how
that
same
time
frame.
You
could
get
entire
credit
when
in
one
class,
but
you
get
half
a
credit
and
another
class,
I'm
not
sure
how
that
translate
was
with
this
bill.
P
I
believe
that
would
be
up
to
the
local
school
board
of
how
they
measure
it.
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
if
different
different
school
boards
look
at
it
differently,
but
in
our
in
our
school
district
every
semester.
Long
elective
course
is
one
full
credit.
I
have
a.
I
have
a
copy
of
the
course
catalog.
P
If
you'd
like
to
look
at
it
to
see
what
else
is
offered
there,
and
so
this
bill
wouldn't
require
a
school
to
grant
the
full
credit
it
would
just
allow
they
they
could
do
up
to
that
full
credit,
so
they
could
potentially,
if
all
of
their
other
elective
courses
were
half
a
credit,
they
could
still
simply
offer
half
a
credit.
I
guess
that
would
that
would
depend
on.
I
guess.
Class
period
times
vary
from
school
to
school.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
chairman
spicy.
A
All
right,
all
right
motion's
been
made.
Second
ending
without
objection,
we're
back
in
section
session.
Sorry,
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
giving
your
testimony
again.
Thank
you,
chairman
white
you're,
recognized.
G
G
It
wasn't
about
receiving
credits
in
high
school,
so
we
passed
it
out
came
back.
We
had
another
discussion
and
we
did
allow
the
half
credit
didn't
do
the
full
credit
now
we're
back
on
on
the
full
credit,
so
I
think
we're
some
of
us
are
hung
up
in.
We
agree
with
the
concept
in
this
particular
situation,
but
now
we've
gotten
tangled
up
in
half
credit
a
full
credit.
It's
more
about
credit.
Is
it
about
moral
instruction
of
the
students,
which
is
what
they
need,
or
is
it
about
receiving
credits?
G
And
I
think
that's
where
we're
getting
we're
getting
tangled
up.
I
mean
I
voted
no
last
time.
I
voted
yes,
because
I
wanted
you,
your
your
guest
to
be
able
to
speak
and
out
of
respect,
for
you
represent
powers,
but
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
now.
Are
we
talking
more
about
moral
instruction,
which
I
agree
with?
Are
we
talking
about
receiving
credits
for
that
instruction.
K
Yeah,
thank
you,
chairman
white,
it
to
be
honest
with
a
little
bit
of
both.
We
want
to
make
sure
they
get
the
religious
and
moral
instruction
as
stephanie
mentioned
a
while
ago.
A
lot
of
other
states
are
already
and
have
been
for
a
long
time
been
giving
credits
for
this.
We
were
just
kind
of
on
the
front
end.
You
know
we
when
we
got
a
half
a
credit.
K
We
asked
actually
asked
for
a
full
credit,
and
at
that
time
I
know
some
of
the
representatives
said
well,
we
want
to
wait
a
couple
of
years
and
see
how
it
goes
before
we
give
it
a
full
credit,
well
that
that
was
three
years
ago.
Let
me
just
mention
some
other.
She
mentioned
some
states
that
are
giving
a
full
elective
credit,
but
in
alabama
they
have
no
limits
on
it,
so
you
can
get
two.
You
take
two
three
four
courses
like
that
and
still
get
a
full
credit
utah.
K
They
have
no
limits
on
so
how
many
credits
you
get
ohio?
They
have
a
limit
on
two.
You
can
get
two
and
in
south
carolina
you
can
get
two.
So
we
just
started
out
from
the
very
beginning
trying
to
get
the
the
school
organized
and
trying
to
get
it.
You
know
applying
statewide
and
then
once
they
set
up
the
through
the
lease
and
started
the
rigorous
instruction.
G
Thank
you
thank
you
ribs
and
pirates
and
legal.
Maybe
to
answer
this.
I
should
know
this,
but
I
don't
because
I'm
getting
conflicting
thing
here
when
you
go
from
a
half
a
credit
to
a
full
credit.
Does
that
require
that
may
not
in
this
particular
situation?
Does
it
require
more
classroom
time
for
those
students.
A
K
Yeah
that
it
won't,
it
won't
change
that
at
all
the
half
credits,
the
full
credit
we
just
all,
we
did
in
the
same
classroom
time
and
all
we
were
doing
before
we
we
compromised
on
the
half
credit.
So
now
we're
just
asking
for
the
full
credit
we
asked
for
the
full
credit
to
begin
with,
and
they
wanted
to
see
like.
K
I
said
how
it
worked
out
over
a
couple
of
years
and
now,
three
years
later,
we're
just
asking
for
full,
but
it
will
not
change
the
amount
of
time
and
it's
completely
up
to
the
school
board.
They
can
still
a
school
board
can
still
say
a
half
a
credit
or
all
we're
asking
is
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
go
up
to
a
full
credit.
So
it's
still
permissive
by
the
by
the
local,
lea.
G
H
G
L
Katie
robertson
office
of
legal
services,
the
way
that
the
bill
is
drafted,
it
says
the
local
board
of
education
may
adopt
a
policy
to
award
students
credit.
If
they
adopt
the
policy,
then
a
student
may
be
awarded
one
credit
unit
of
an
elective
credit
for
the
completion
of
each
release.
Time
course
in
statute.
Currently
it
states
that
they
may
review
the
amount
of
classroom
instruction
time
when
determining
if
an
elective
credit
should
be
provided
to
a
student.
M
You
thank
you
chair,
and
this
may
you
know
answer
my
question
that
I
had
for
for
the
sponsor,
also
and
so
just
for
clarity
purposes.
The
school
board
would
determine
if
more
classroom
time
is
needed,
ad
needed
to
be
added
to
it
for
it
to
achieve
that.
One
credit
under
this
bill.
L
Katie
robertson
office
of
legal
services,
so
in
subsection
b
of
492-130
it
says
a
local
board
of
education
may
adopt
a
policy
that
excuses
a
student
from
school
to
attend
a
release
time
course
in
religious
moral
instruction
for
no
more
than
one
class
period
per
school
day.
L
So
in
their
evaluation
of
if
an
elective
credit
should
be
awarded,
the
local
board
of
education
could
determine
that.
Not
enough
classroom.
Time
is
given
to
the
release
time
course
and
therefore
no
elective
credit
should
be
provided
to
a
student,
quick
follow-up.
M
And
so,
but
but
they
would
they
be
able
to,
under
this
bill,
increase
that
classroom
time
to
fit
a
full
credit.
Would
the
school
board
be
able
to
do
that
under
this
bill?.
F
M
Okay
and
okay,
then
okay,
madam
chair,
if
you
don't
mind
out,
because
I
want
to
ask
the
sponsor-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
time
if
he
would
be
open
to
amending
his
bill
to
make
it
so
that
it
can
work.
So
I
you
know
if
you're.
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
allowing
me
to
speak
as
much
as
you
allow
me
to
speak,
because
I
speak
a
lot
and
to
the
to
the
sponsor,
I'm
speaking
a
lot
right
now
and
then
what
so?
I
don't
in
order
not
to
in
order
to
not
run
into
the
hurdles
that
and
and
hamstring
the
school
boards,
and-
and
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
madam
chair.
M
K
Powers
yeah
that
they're
already
allowed
as
far
as
telling
what
kind
of
classroom
time
it's
already
up
to
the
local
lea
I
mean
they
even
had-
and
I
think
stephanie
mentioned
this-
she
mentioned
three
different
courses:
weight
lifting
you
know,
there's
no
classroom
time,
really
in
weightlifting
being
a
library
assistant,
and
there
was
one
other
that
I
forgot,
but
they
already
get
a
full.
You
know
elective
credit
for
that.
So
it's
not
really
about.
You
know
that
just
being
in
on
you
know,
sitting
down
in
a
chair
for
that
certain
period
of
time.
K
It's
about
the
rigorous
activity,
that's
taking
place
during
that
time,
so
I
I
really
wouldn't
want
to
amend
that.
I
want
to
leave
it
up
to
the
local,
lea.
M
And
thank
you
and
just
you
know
what
and,
and
so
based
on
what
I
heard
legal
saying
and
it's
completely
up
to
you,
the
the
local
lea
may
not
actually
be
able
to
do
that
for
this
particular
course,
because
of
you
know
the
car
about
on
it,
and
so
just
you
know,
okay
make
sure
you
cognizant.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
Well,
I
heard
yeses
pass
on
the
calendar,
wait
calendar
and
rules
all.
A
We
have
what
15
minutes
left
well,
a
little
less
than
15..
I
will
hand
the
gavel.
J
D
Got
a
motion
in
a
second:
we
are
actually
I
just
want
to
get
the
bill
prop
posture
before
us.
We
are
looking
at
amendment
zero,
one,
two,
five,
four
three.
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second,
it's
already
on
we're
already
on
we're
good
and
we
got
another
motion.
Second
to
back
it
up.
Okay,
so
with
that
being
the
position
of
the
bills
before
us,
and
with
that
being
said,
representative
moody,
you
are
recognized.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
weaver
and
members.
We
kind
of
started
this
but
didn't
have
near
enough
time
to
to
get
into
the
the
bill,
and
I
would
like
to
ask.
A
D
With
that
being
said,
we
will
go
out
of
session
and
where
are
our
testimonies.
D
H
I
serve
on
the
task.
Commission.
Let
me
tell
you
it's
a
lot
more
fun
on
that
side
than
it
is
this
one.
I'm
london
county
mayor,
but
my
most
important
title
is
that
of
father
and
dad
the
I
looked
at
the
legislation
as
I
looked
through
the
bills
that
are
coming
through
and
saw
the
opportunity
to
aid
with
students
with
dyslexia,
it
hit
home.
For
me,
this
is
as
a
parent,
not
as
a
mayor
or
a
politician.
H
You
know
I've
got
a
my
oldest
son.
I
have
three
children
during
the
second
grade.
We
just
we
were
at
our
wits
end
as
a
family.
He
was
reading
bottom.
Two
percent
of
the
entire
state
we
doing
homework
was
an
event
nightly
because
we
were
frustrated
as
parents
he's
frustrated
as
a
six
and
seven
year
old,
and
we
just
didn't
know
what
to
do.
We
were
very
blessed
very
fortunate
that
we
had
the
resources
that
we
were
able
to
take
our
son
to
a
specialist
and
within
just
two
or
three
minutes.
H
He
was
diagnosed
with
dyslexia,
not
a
very
terrible
case
of
it.
He
has
a
few
letters
that
flip
on
him,
but
with
dyslexia
is
one
of
the
most
underdiagnosed
and
mis-mis-diagnosed
diseases
and
that
that
we
have
as
a
society
as
students
and
this
opportunity
I
know
like
I
said
we
were
very
blessed
very
fortunate.
My
all
three
of
my
children
have
are
attending
philadelphia,
elementary
school,
small
rural
school,
a
k-8,
school
and
and
being
a
smaller
school.
H
Look
back
and
not
recognize
the
word
again
and
with
this
potential
that
you
all
have
to
recommend
and
send
the
house
to
to
help
students
with
dyslexia.
It
really
hit
home
for
me
because
I
know
what
we
went
through
and
you
know:
there's
a
family
out
there
that
may
not
have
the
resources
that
we
had
and
and
that
this
student,
a
student,
any
student,
could
benefit
from
this.
I
think
it's
worth
it.
I
said
this
is
a
it's
like
an
underdiagnosed
disease.
H
I
said
my
my
he's
21
now
successful,
he
good
a
ct
score
works
for
ups
now,
and
so
I
mean
I've
got
a
friend
of
mine.
You
know,
like
I
said
my
son,
he
flipped
a
few,
and
this
gentleman's
friend
he's
my
age.
He
flipped
virtually
all
of
his.
You
know
so
his
mind
struggled
it's
almost
impossible
for
him
and,
of
course,
that's
been
a
long
time
now,
a
long
time
coming
as
we
look
forward.
H
I
think
this
is
an
outstanding
opportunity
to
help
a
lot
of
our
students
and
unless
it's
still
so
much
unknown
about
it,
even
after
diagnosis,
the
teachers,
you
know
they.
I
can't
brag
on
them
enough.
They
scrambled
you
know
using
blue
paper
using
yellow
paper
everything
they
could
try
to
help
recognize.
Ultimately
it
it
is
the
student
it
was
my
son,
it
was
him
training
himself.
H
I
give
three
people,
credit,
miss
russell,
miss
johnson
and
captain
underpants,
because
he
got
hooked
in
the
captain,
underpants
books
and
that's
how
he
taught
and
trained
his
mind
to
recognize,
and
so
I
said
we
were
very
blessed
to
have
the
resources
to
get
that
help
a
lot
of
kids.
It
may
not-
and
that's
you
know,
that's
my
story
and
why
I
support
the
aid
for
any
kid
we
can
have
and
keep
waking
up
with
dyslexia.
D
D
I
put
I
put
it
on
timer
there
you
go
okay,
so
members
do
you
have
a
question
for
mr
bradshaw.
D
I
don't
see
any.
Thank
you,
mr
bradshaw,
for
your
question
same
time.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Okay,
we'll
go
back
in
session
and
members
do
you
have
any
questions
yeah?
Yes,
mr
mckenzie,
you're
recognized.
J
Thank
you
and
to
the
sponsor
in
terms
of
of
okay,
once
we
well,
we
have
students
in
currently
so
they're
they're,
they're,
they're
ailments
are
a
lot
more.
I
guess
physical
and
and
severe.
J
I
think
I
can
comfortably
say
that:
how
do
we
track
them
once
they
leave
the
auspices
of
public
schools,
how
they're
doing
on
tcats
how
they're
doing
socially?
What?
What
are
the
measures
that
are
in
place?
Currently,
what's
going
to
be
the
measures
with
these
students.
A
I
think
I
don't
know
that.
I
know
the
full
answer
to
that:
the
them
as
far
as
the
the
money
part
goes
because
they
are
making
their
choice.
You
know
for
where
they're
going
to
use
that
portion
of
the
money
and
the
money
is
very
that
that
is
given
out
quarterly.
J
Okay,
so
it's
that
from
what
I've
read
then
to
to
the
sponsor
that
that
there's,
no
other
accountabilities
other
than
financial
ones,
once
they
leave
this
this
program,
the
the
kids
that
we
have
currently
so
I
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
speak
as
the
authority
on
that,
but
I
for
one,
I've
gathered
that
that
doesn't
happen
and
that
that's
concerning
to
me
in
terms
of
we're
we're
giving
state
dollars
to
to
help
our
parents
go
out
and
seek
these
these
these
resources
and
and
we're
not
getting
any
any
measures
back.
D
L
Katie
robertson
office
of
legal
services,
tca
section
49,
10
1403,
subsection
e,
says
for
participating
students
in
grades
three
through
eight,
a
parent
shall
ensure
that
the
student
is
annually
administered
either
a
nationally
norm,
reference
test
identified
by
the
department
or
the
the
tcap
test.
The
test
should,
at
a
minimum
measure,
learning
in
mathematics
and
english
language.
Arts
results
of
the
testing
shall
be
reported
to
the
parent
students
with
disabilities,
who
would
have
participated
in
the
alternative
assessment,
as
determined
by
the
students
iep
are
exempted
from
this
requirement.
J
And
so,
if
a
student
goes
out
of
the
program
and
take
the
dollars
with
them,
when
they
come
back
in
do
say
they
were
on
iep
before
they
that
they
left
when
they
come
back
into
the
public
school.
If
they
come
back
into
the
to
school
sum,
it
didn't
work,
for
whatever
reason
are
they
immediately
given
the
iep
or
do
they
have
to
kind
of
start
at
step?
One
and
and
get
a
new
plan.
B
D
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
this
is
not
a
question.
It's
a
statement.
I
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill
to
some
who
brought
this
issue
up.
I
have
dyslexia.
I
was
diagnosed
with
it
when
I
was
in
the
first
grade.
I
credit
my
parents
and
my
teachers
to
the
first
through
third
grade
for
helping
me,
adapt
and
handle
this
issue.
I
have
been
able
to
work
on
a
doctorate
with
this
particular
problem.
C
D
A
Thank
you,
chair
lady.
There
is
first
there's
a
one
little
business.
We
need
to
take
care
of
you
don't
mind.
I
forgot
when
we
were
doing
house
bill
1723,
I
was
supposed
to
send
it
to
the
special
calendar
so
special
calendar
it
goes
to,
and
I
will
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion.
Okay,
emotions
been
made
and
before
we
leave,
can
you
hang
on
one
more?
Second,
we
do
want
to
everything.
A
We've
taken
care
of
our
business,
so
this
is
our
last
calendar,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
good
attendance
participation
and
just
let
you
know
that
we
will
adjourn
subject
to
the
call
of
the
chair.