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House Education Instruction Committee- March 23, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
Good
morning
this
is
wednesday
march
the
23rd
and
it
is
11
06
a.m.
So
again,
apologies
for
late
start
and
just
as
a
reminder,
we
have
a
lot
of
members.
It's
that
time
of
year,
that'll
be
in
and
out
presenting
bills,
and
so
we
will
keep
our
eye
on
our
quorum
and
we
may
have
to
take
a
few
pauses
along
the
way.
But
that's
that's
the
purpose
of
that.
So
we
will
get
started.
A
A
Evacuorum,
thank
you
very
much
members
that
are
here
any
personal
orders.
Yes,
chairman
reagan,.
C
A
We
hope
you
have
a
fun-filled
day
and,
as
is
our
custom,
if,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
excuse
me
I'm
moving
too
fast.
Yes,
chair
lady
weaver.
D
A
Yes,
thank
you
for
joining
us
today
and
thank
you
for
your
career
choice
members.
Next,
we
traditionally
do
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
If
you'd
like
to
join
us,
please
do
so.
A
E
A
E
E
E
It
is
being
brought
by
the
educational
reform
group,
yes,
every
kid
and
is
modeled
after
legislation
that
has
passed
in
several
states
in
recent
years.
It
expands
the
course
access
program
to
allow
for
courses,
internships
brought
by
businesses,
u.s
armed
forces,
for-profits
and
trade
associations,
and
allows
the
possibility
for
students
to
gain
credit
for
taking
those
courses,
provided
that
the
course
has
been
approved
through
the
proper
channels,
and
with
that,
madam
chair
I'll,
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
for
your
explanation
and
we'll
start
taking
questions
members.
I
see
representative
mckenzie.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
and
and
just
just
to
be
clear
this
this
bill
allows
every
student,
regardless
of
school,
access
to
this.
These
courses
in
this
opportunity
it
just
does
not
allow
a
school
with
a
d
or
f
to
prepare
or
pre
present.
One
of
these
courses
is
that
correct.
E
A
All
right
questions
been
called
without
any
opposition.
All
in
favor
of
passing
house
eight
bill,
zero
onto
calendar
and
rules.
Excuse
me
all
in
favor,
say
aye
any
opposed
sing.
None!
You
go
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee.
Thank
you
number
two
on
our
calendar
house
bill
272
by
chairman
powers.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
presented
this
bill
last
week
and
there
was
an
unfriendly
amendment
attached
to
it.
So
I'm
back
this
week
to,
I
guess,
talk
about
the
amendment
and
see
what
we
can
do
about
it,
and
I
get
a
vote
on
that.
Please
all
right.
C
My
amendment
no,
this
is
the
amendment
from
one
of
the
committee
members,
but
that
is
the
correct
amendment
number.
Yes,.
A
All
right
and
the
posture
we're
in
the
sponsor
of
the
amendment
is
not
with
us
right
now.
Yes
represent
mckenzie.
A
All
right
members,
yes.
F
I
I
would
just
ask:
is
that
parliamentary
or
is
that
a
personal
order?
I'm
I'm
would
ask
what
I'd
ask
the
member,
I'm
speaking
with
the
chair
and
her
consultation
with
legal.
A
Okay,
so,
according
to
the
direction
we've
gotten,
we
will
vote
on
whether
to
move
it
roll
it
two
spaces
or
not,
and
then,
if
it
fails,
then
we'll
come
back
and
deal
with
that,
all
right.
All
in
favor
of
rolling
this
bill,
two
spaces,
please
say
aye.
F
A
F
A
All
right
chairman
powers,
you're
recognized.
C
C
I
A
A
A
A
A
J
House
bill
2818
has
an
amendment.
J
Yes,
ma'am
and
that
a
minute
only
cleans
up
the
language
it
adds
is
urge
to.
In
section
one.
A
J
A
J
Thank
you,
madam
madam
chair
house,
bill
2818
requires
each
local
education
agency
to
include
a
course
of
instruction
for
students
in
kindergarten
through
12
with
curricula
designed
to
educate
students
in
conflict
resolution
that
is
great
and
age
appropriate
and,
and
madam
madam
chair,
I
do
have
with
your
permission
dr
hunter
and
mr
walter.
Dr
hunter
is
the
principal
of
whitehaven
high
school
and
his
assistant
principal
mr
walter
bates
with
me,
and
dr
hunter
is
here
to
to
give
a
presentation
and
ask
any
questions.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you,
and
we
will
give
you
four
minutes
to
give
your
testimony.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
A
A
Of
course
we
would
love
to
for
you
to
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions.
Representative
gruffy,
I
see
you.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady,
and
thank
you,
dr
hunt,
mr
hunt.
Dr
honest,
dr
young,
is
fine.
Look.
I
applaud
you
for
your
efforts
and
your
service
to
your
community.
We
need
more
leaders
like
you,
I
do
want,
I
mean,
and
I'm
fully
in
favor
of
this
bill
for
conflict
resolution.
I
think
we've
needed
this
for
a
long
time
and
I'm
glad
ms
cooper
representative
cooper
is
bringing
this
to
the
committees
for
a
vote
and
I'm
a
vote
in
favor
of
it.
E
I
do
want
to
express
some
concern,
as
this
is
the
education
committee,
that
I'm
concerned
that
we're
asking
our
educators
and
folks
in
education
to
do
stuff.
They're
not
trained
to
do
like
you
indicated,
and
you
know
we
have
agencies
within
the
state
of
tennessee
that
we
spend
lots
of
money
on
that
are
supposed
to
they're
statutorily
required
to
provide
these
services
for
the
for
the
children
and
the
individuals
you
you've
mentioned.
E
That
are
heartbreaking
stories
and
I
I
I
wonder
if
we
would
be
smart
to
limit
our
focus
of
our
educators
to
doing
the
job
of
education
and
if
we've
got
problems
with
dcs
and
dhs
not
being
able
to
pick
up
the
ball,
provide
counseling
meet
with
these
students
that
have
these
difficulties
that
you've
expressed.
We
need
to
address
that
and
those
agencies
need
to
step
up,
but
I'm
worried
that
if
we
ask
somebody
to
do
something,
that's
not
in
their
wheelhouse,
you
know
you're
taken
away
from
what
they're
really
good
at.
E
They
may
not
be
good
at
that
and
they're,
and
then
there's
you
know
they're
taking
on
too
much
and
if
they
can
laser
focus
on
international
studies
and
students
and
getting
everybody
up,
I
think
we'd
be
much
better
served
and
I,
if,
if
we've
got
a
problem
with
dcs
and
dhs,
I
hope
you
and
others
will
bring
those
to
the
legislators
attention
and,
let's,
let's
try
to
address
and
fix
those
agencies
or
any
problems
and
those
services.
Well,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
I
fully
support
your
mission
and
miss
cooper's
bill.
G
Our
children
need
intervention
in
real
time,
meaning
that
when
they're
in
the
middle
of
that
crisis,
they
need
help
right
now
they
can't
wait
until
we
call
dcs
or
one
of
those
agencies
get
an
rn
number
wait
to
the
counselor
come
to
the
school
too
much
downtime
by
the
time
that
child
has
intervention
it's
four
five.
Six
hours
later,
we
need
real-time
intervention,
and
if
someone
was
at
our
buildings
that
could
help
when
that
crisis
occur,
that
child
becomes
a
better
student.
E
Griffin,
I
agree
with
you.
You
know:
we've
got
school
resources
off
there
for
the
safety
of
the
students
in
the
community.
You
know
I
don't
see
why
we
can't
have
child
support
services
officers
in
every
school
and
they're
the
go-to
person
to
get
stuff
resolved
if
they're
dhs,
dcs
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
appreciate
you
being
here.
B
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
sir,
for
coming
up
here
for
making
the
drive
you're
welcome
how
many
years
you've
been
an
educator
28
years.
This
is
my
28th
year.
Yes,
sir
man,
I
could
I
could
keep
you
all
day
long
with
questions.
You
know,
I
don't
like
the
breakdown
that
I'm
saying
I
I've
mentioned
other
day
that
prison
budget
increased
600
million,
since
I
was
elected
in
2010,
doubled
to
1.2
billion
dollars,
and
I
really
don't
see
no
lobbyists
lobbying
to
get
those
costs
down.
B
I
don't
like
those
costs,
I
don't
think
they're
sustainable.
I
don't
want
to
be
up
here
in
another
12
years
and
it's
2
billion,
and
I
think
this
committee
gets
these
issues.
I've
got
to
build
on
social
workers,
we
didn't
fund
it.
Last
year
I
met
with
a
counselor
of
the
day
been
touring
a
few
schools.
My
old
high
school
smyrna
high
school
talked
to
counselor
her
case
loaded
like
400
or
530
students.
B
When
I
was
back
in
school
and
joe
townsend
back
in
school,
we
just
got
our
butts
busted.
I
think
we've
taken
too
much
discipline
out
of
the
schools
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
that
counselor
I
was
asking
her.
She
said
she
had
a
student
that
was
acting
up.
It
was
just
like
a
week
or
two
earlier
a
couple
weeks
earlier
and
she
said
that
teacher
talked
to
her
and
about
him
and
she
said
well
come
find
out.
He
was
sleeping
on
the
floor.
B
You
know,
I
think,
a
hotel,
and
then
you
know
if
you
know
what
maslow's
hierarchy
of
needs.
Are
you
can't
you're
not
going
to
reach
self-actualization?
If
you
don't
have
food,
shelter,
clothing,
that's
what
they
it's
also
lacking
clothing,
so
they
went
got
him.
Some
some
jeans
and
everything
like
that.
But
you
know
it
just.
It
just
seems
like
society's
getting
off
the
rails
and
it's
only
going
to
get
worse
when
we
lose
the
wisdom
of
folks
like
you
and
they're
gone,
and
we
leave
it
to
this
next
generation.
B
Nothing
against
these
young
people
that
are
here
but
joe
townsley,
I'm
talking
about.
But
you
know
you
look
at
you
know
you
know
we
it's.
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
funding.
B
G
G
G
G
A
B
Well,
I
always
think
my
father
was
world
war
ii.
He
was
a.
I
was
told,
the
meanest
man
in
my
entire
town.
He
was
a
strong
disciplinarian.
He
always
said
son.
If
you
get
arrested,
don't
call
me
I
ain't
coming
after
you,
I
knew
there
was
consequences,
that's
something
I
hear
from
teachers
today
that
there's
lack
of
consequences.
G
Well
for
student
behavior,
well
some
consequences
of
zero
tolerance,
of
course,
weapons.
Yes,
fatal
attacks
and
assaults,
but
I
think
consequences.
G
We
do
so
much
that
we're
not
good
at
anything.
If
that
make
any
sense,
we
haven't
mastered
anything
until
we
learn
to
master
english
language,
arts,
mathematics
and
science,
technology
and
engineering.
We
cannot
get
to
the
real
work
because
we're
doing
other
things
that
used
to
be
done
in
the
home.
The
family
structure
has
totally
changed.
Yes,
sir,
and
we're
having
to
be
sure
good
parents
every
day,
instead
of
being
educators.
B
Thank
you.
I
don't
mean
to
keep
rambling.
I
think
what
you're
talking
about
is
more
important.
Every
piece
of
legislation
we're
going
to
hear.
Thank
you
so
much
we
never
get
through
the
problem
on
this
stuff.
Let
me
ask
you
this.
Do
you?
I
have
a
theory
that
one
reason
we're
seeing
this
is
lack
of
male
role
models,
lack
of
fathers
in
the
household.
Do
you
think,
there's
a
correlation.
G
I
think
it's
a
correlation,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
just
about
being
good
people.
Yes,
sir,
it's
about
integrity,
doing
what
you're
told
when
you're
told
and
how
you're
told
just
having
respect
for
the
laws
having
respect
for
one
another.
Male
role
models
are
definitely
important,
especially
a
real
male
role.
Models
for
men,
but
young
ladies
need
to
know
how
a
real
man
acts
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
about
you
know
we
hear
about
a
lot
about
black
versus
white.
I
I
get
that
social
injustices.
G
They
definitely
are
there,
but
that's
not
the
total
key.
The
total
key
is
just
that.
We
need
to
have
integrity
in
everything
that
we
do.
Yes,.
B
B
He
he
paddled
everybody,
and
I
remember
him-
come
up
to
me
in
the
hall
put
his
arm
around
me
and
he
said
young
man.
I've
always
heard
you're
a
very
polite.
Young
man
keep
up
the
good
work
and
those
words
of
probably
affirmation.
I
guess
it's
called.
I
don't
know
that
that
stuck
with
me,
it
wasn't
the
paddlings.
It
was
those
kind
words.
I
got
to
see
him
at
our
at
our
high
school
reunion.
He
said
I
sat
with
him
and
I
offered
him
100
bucks
for
his
paddle.
B
He
would
not
take
it
and
I'm
going
to
update
it
to
a
thousand
dollars,
because
I
think
we
need
to
bring
back
this
one
and
get
back
to
those
basics
until
we
get
off
the
rails
as
a
culture,
and
I
think
we're
heading
that
direction.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
your
colleagues
for
for
taking
that
trip
from
memphis
up
here
and
thank
you,
representative
coop,
for
the
peace
legislation.
Thank
you
so
much.
C
Thank
you
for
coming
today.
Your
words
have
been
very
enlightening
to
most
of
the
members
here
and
ms
cooper.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention
really
appreciate
that
just
a
couple
of
observations
you
made
some
statements
here
that
I
couldn't
agree
with
any
any
more
than
the
basics
and
fundamentals
of
education
are
the
key
to
our
success.
Moving
forward
as
a
state,
yes,
and
until
we
clear
that
path
for
you
until
the
general
assembly
clears
that
path.
C
For
you
at
the
local
level,
we're
going
to
struggle
in
education,
you
are
doing
too
much.
You
are
100
miles
wider
than
an
inch
deep
right
now
and
until
we
solve
that
problem
as
a
general
assembly
for
you
to
give
you
the
freedom,
the
autonomy
to
be
creative
and
innovative,
we're
never
going
to
get
there
correct
everyone
get
there.
I
know
that,
and-
and
we
have
some
representatives
here
from
your
district-
the
esser
funds
that
came
down
to
shelby
county
schools
were
made
to
address
some
of
these
issues.
C
You're
talking
about,
if
you
haven't,
received
those
funds
to
be
able
to
get
the
help
that
you
need
in
your
schools.
I'm
sure
your
legislators
will
be
more
than
happy
to
go
to
your
school
board
or
mr
ray
and
get
the
necessary
funds.
You
need
to
help
these
children
as
quick
as
you
can,
but
if
you
have
any
issues
with
that,
I'm
sure
your
legislators
will
be
more
than
happy
to
help
you
out
there.
Thank
you,
but
thanks
for
coming,
I
really
appreciate
what
you
said.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Next
on
our
list,
representative
dixie.
K
With
now
but
miss
cooper,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
because
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
You
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
because
what
happens
is
we
look
at
outcomes?
How
can
we
get
our
kids
to
pass
this
proficiency
test
when
they're,
not
all
starting?
At
the
same
level?
We
have
to
go
back
to
the
root
cause
you're.
One
of
the
few
people
have
said:
let's
address
the
root
cause,
and
what
we've
heard
here
today
is
that
we
have
to
address
the
home
situation
and
unfortunately,
my
wife.
K
She
teaches
that
not
unfortunately,
my
wife,
she
teaches
at
a
school
similar
to
the
school,
with
students
that
you
just
described.
We've
bought
countless
pairs
of
pants
shoes,
my
wife
and
I
have
even
discussed
adopting
kids,
because
their
situations
were
so
bad
and
we've
really
said
hey.
K
K
and
around
that
time
we
started
talking
and
my
my
father
was
an
alcoholic
and
he
was
a
very
smart
man,
but
he
was
a
hell
raiser
and
my
mom
left
them
when
I
was
in
high
school
in
about
a
few
months
before
she
passed
away.
We
just
was
talking.
You
know
she
was
sick,
but
we
didn't
know.
The
end
was
that
coming
that
near
and
she
said
I
had
to
leave
you
your
dad
in
order
for
you
to
be
successful.
K
I
was
fortunate
to
have
somebody
in
my
life
and
people
around
me
that
carried
me.
So
I
hope
that
this
committee
understands
that
this
is
just
opening
the
door
for
what
needs
to
be
done.
We
don't.
We
can't
have
lip
service
when
it
comes
to
helping
our
children
and
thank
you
for
coming
up
here
and
doing
this.
This
really
needs
to
be
addressed
and
there's
so
many
opportunities.
I
can
give
you
countless
stories
about
what
happens
at
my
wife's
school
and
it's
heartbreaking.
K
We
have
grandparents
in
some
instance,
great-grandparents
raising
their
kids,
so
that
means
your
mama
didn't
want
to
you,
your
daddy,
your
grandparents
you've
gone
to
three
generations
of
people
to
get
there
and
at
that
time,
they're
old
and
tired.
They
should
be
in
their
golden
years
right.
So
I
want
to
challenge
all
of
us
here
on
this
committee
to
come
up
to
with
legislation
that
addresses
the
root
cause,
because
I
think
that
we
can
address
the
poverty
in
the
home
situation
that
will
help
all
the
cure,
all
the
ills.
K
That's
in
our
society
right
now,
so
we
have
to
be
diligent
and
mindful
and
do
what's
best
for
all
tennesseans
and
let's
not
be
so
divisive
when
it
comes
to
our
policies
and
as
you
stated,
it's
not
necessarily
about
black
and
white,
it's
about
praising
productive
citizens,
and
thank
you
again.
Thank
you
again,
mr
school
miss
cooper.
A
Thank
you.
We
have
representative
harris.
L
Thank
you
cheer,
lady,
and
so
I
I
I
get
an
opportunity
to
represent
parts
of
memphis
as
well,
and
I
want
to
first
say
thank
you
to
dr
hunter
for
the
years
of
hard
work
that
you've
put
into
memphis
in
general.
Anyone
from
the
memphis
area
will
know
that
you
are
definitely
a
legend
for
a
lot
of
people
in
in
memphis,
regardless
of
what,
where
the
school
is.
L
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we
acknowledge
that
as
well
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
said
some
time
ago
was
don't
try
to
outsmart
people,
just
try
to
outwork
them,
and
so
I'll
always
remember
that,
and
I
know
that
you
do
an
amazing
job
of
working
for
our
students
for
our
parents,
and
I
think,
I'm
probably
there's
probably
about
a
15-year
at
least
age
gap
for
me
and
the
rest
of
the
people
on
the
committee.
L
And
so
I
recognized
that,
because
even
the
things
that
I
went
through
15
15
years
ago
are
much
different
than
what
the
children
now
yes
are
dealing
with
in
our
education
system.
So
it's
just
an
evolving
thing
and
I'm
glad
to
be
a
part
of
a
committee
where
we
try
our
best
to
focus
in
on
how
we
can
improve,
and
I'm
glad
that
dr
representative
cooper
did
bring
this
legislation.
It
is
something
that
we
really
need
to
focus
in
on.
L
A
Thank
you,
chairman
white
you're.
Next.
H
Thank
you,
chair,
lady,
and
apologize
for
being
late.
I
had
some
students
from
germantown
that
were
over
the
capitol
and
I
had
to
go
say
hello
to
them.
I'm
happy
that
we
have
students
coming
back
in
up
here,
it's
so
great
to
see
them.
So
I
was
a
little
bit
late
getting
on
the
bill
and
I
just
since
I'm
from
memphis
also.
I
have
been
meaning
to
make
an
appointment
with
you
for
a
long
time
to
come
out
and
tour
the
school
and
everything.
H
So
I
need
to
get
on
your
calendar,
maybe
when
we
get
out
of
out
of
session
just
to
back
up
what
represent
cooper
is
trying
to
do
here.
When
I
came
to
general
assembly
even
at
my
age,
I
think
you
never
quit
learning.
So
I
went
back
to
college
and
got
a
master's
in
conflict
resolution.
One
of
the
best
things
I
ever
did
because
it
teaches
you
how
you
to
understand
when
people
disagree
with
you
and
how
to
deal
with
it
and
of
all
the
things
I
learned.
H
There's
one
thing
that
always
stuck
with
me
is
a
quote
that
forgot
where
it
came
from,
but
it
was
when
you're
dealing
with
especially
sitting
in
committees
like
this,
when
you
speak
speak
as
though
you're
absolutely
right.
But
when
you
listen,
listen
so
you're
absolutely
wrong
and
that's
what
we
don't
do
a
lot.
We
don't
listen
to
each
other
because
we
already
got
our
minds
made
up
and
so
that
that's
a
challenge
so
represent
cooper
kudos
for
bringing
this
legislation
to
support.
You.
A
G
J
This
ma'am
is
she
dr
stewart?
Yes
ma'am
doctor,
I'm
not
a
madam
chair.
We
did
and
and
doctor
may
I
say
this-
that
dr
honey
is
one
of
our
top.
Is
our
top
principal
in
the
shepherd
county,
mississippi
schools-
and
we
just
want
to
thank
mr
walter
bates
for
joining
vice
president,
so
he's
not
vice
president
vice
principal
all
right,
dr
hunter,
just
couldn't
do
it
all
by
himself
for
his
have
a
good
one
with
him,
and
I
appreciate
that
we
do
have.
Madam
chair
with
your
approval.
J
I
will
read
a
statement
from
dr
stuart,
who
could
not
be
here
due
to
an
accident
and
on
her
leg
foot,
so
she
could
not
be
here
if
it's
approved.
A
J
J
The
latest
youth
risk
behavior
survey.
The
national
survey
of
high
school
students
revealed
disturbing
facts
about
conflict
leading
to
violence
within
students.
During
the
school
day,
nine
percent
of
children
were
threatened
or
injured,
involving
students.
During
the
school
day,
eight
percent
were
in
a
physical
fight
on
school
property.
20
percent
were
bullied
on
school
property.
11
of
students
reported
that
they
did
not
want
to
go
to
school
because
they
felt
unsafe
at
school
or
on
their
way
to
and
from
school.
J
The
protective
vectors
included
in
house
bill
2818
regarding
conflict
resolution,
training
for
students
and
school
staff
will
go
a
long
way
in
reducing
the
likelihood
of
these
events
occurring
in
school
and
consequences
associated
with
the
youth
that
might
be
involved
in
our
work.
We
routinely
work
with
children
and
families
who
both
live
in
communities
and
homes
where
violence
is
prevalent.
J
Our
programs
include
a
range
of
evidence-based
models
for
prevention
and
interventions
of
violence,
that
for
staff
and
students.
Schools
need
to
have
access
to
conflict
resolution,
strategies
that
include
education
and
for
staff
and
students
with
a
primary
goal
to
reducing
student
variable
and
physical
altercations
non-violently.
J
A
A
A
A
Yes,
let's
say:
let's
take
care
of
those.
What's
your
first
one
get
a
timely
file
so
that
we'll
do
that.
M
Is
0-1-5-7-3-3.
A
A
A
A
A
M
House
bill
2460.,
it's
a
simple
little
bill
that
will
make
a
big
impact
in
our
classrooms,
we'll
give
our
teachers
a
great
opportunity
for
more
instructional
time.
M
M
as
we
start
to
transition
to
online
testing.
This
should
become
a
more
efficient
and,
last
but
not
least,
it
will
give
more
time
to
the
pacing
guide
that
leas
have
for
their
teachers
to
teach
all
the
standards
for
that
grade
level.
That
is
the
bill,
and
I
encourage
you
to
support
it
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
A
F
H
Okay,
sorry,
I
I'm
sorry
for
the
delay
but
represent
rudder.
I
just
would
go
so
fast
that
I
hadn't
had
a
chance
to
ask
you.
One
thing
I
want
to
make
clear
and
you're
saying
what
has
come
to
my
attention
is
that
we
get
to
the
end,
not
every
school,
because
of
paper
testing
can
do
this.
Can
you
help
clarify
where
we
are
on
that?
H
That
was
the
some
of
the
objections
and
get
it
pushback
that
I
was
getting
because
just
the
time
frame
wasn't
possible
under
our
stand
under
our
current
testing,
especially
since
we
implemented
paper
testing.
Can
you
help
me
out
there.
M
I
I
don't
really
understand
why
it
wouldn't
be
possible
because,
yes,
there
are
different
time.
Schools
stop
at
different
times,
but
this
just
requests
them
to
move
it
back.
M
G
G
H
M
Give
the
test,
because
it's
the
same
testing
window
it
just
gives
it
moves
the
time
back
and
gives
the
teachers
more
instructional
time,
and
one
thing
that
I
I
failed
to
note
or
to
tell
you
is
that
when
I
decided
that
this
was
a
piece
of
legislation,
I
was
very
much
interested
in.
M
I
did
contact
some
teachers
in
my
district
and
we
talk
a
lot
about
doing
things
to
help
our
teachers
in
the
classroom
have
additional
classroom
time,
and
this
is
such
a
simple
thing,
and
this
is
what
this
is
a
direct
quote
from
a
teacher.
Yes,
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
when
we
test
in
march.
We
still
have
almost
two
months
of
lessons.
M
A
Thank
you
and
I
do
notice.
We
have
the
department
of
ed
on
a
list,
are
y'all
thumbs
up
thumbs
down
or
want
to
come
forward.
You
want
to
come
forward.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
charlie
buffalino,
with
the
department
of
education,
I'm
joined
by
my
colleague,
jack
powers
with
the
department.
We
have
concerns
with
this
bill,
even
with
the
amendments,
and
essentially,
I
think
what
it
comes
down
to
is
by
shifting
the
assessment
window
back
to
not
being
able
to
start
until
20
days
from
the
end
of
school,
creates
practical
and
logistical
concerns
for
our
school
districts
and
everyone
involved.
I
Essentially,
if
this
were
to
become
law,
it
would
face
the
department
with
two
unsavory
choices,
the
first
of
which
would
be
because
school
districts
have
different
end.
Calendar
dates,
some
of
them
in
the
second
week
of
may
a
lot
of
them
end
right
after
memorial
day,
but
some
stretch
into
june.
It
would
force
us
to
have
at
a
minimum
three
separate
assessment
windows.
Currently
we
have
one
it's
three
weeks
for
this
year,
it's
from
april
18th
to
may
6.
in
having
three
assessment
windows
that
is,
can
create
concerns
about
test
security.
I
It
is
very
important
for
us
to
make
sure
we
maintain
the
validity
and
the
reliability
of
our
assessment,
and
we
have
worked
very
hard
in
in
the
year
since
some
testing
snafus
to
make
sure
that
we
ensure
that
and
credibility
in
the
test
that
would
jeopardize
this.
The
second
option
we
would
be
faced
with
is
would
be
to
say
to
school
districts.
I
We
can't
jeopardize
test
security,
and
so
we
are
going
to
have
to
have
one
assessment
window,
regardless
of
when
you
end
school.
In
order
to
follow
this
law,
we
would
have
to
take
the
latest
date
by
which
school
ends,
so
that
would
be
the
first
week
of
june,
based
on
current
school
calendars
and
map
out
20
days
from
that
that
would
create
a
situation
in
which
many
school
districts
would
have
a
limited
amount
of
time
to
test,
perhaps
as
short
as
five
six
days
in
order
to
comply
with
this
law.
I
If
we
want
to
go
down
in
this
direction,
it
would
make
more
sense
for
the
general
assembly
to
direct
school
districts
to
change
their
school
calendars
to
comply
with
this,
because
that
is
the
situation
we
would
be
forcing
upon
them.
The
last
thing
I'll
note
and
then
I'll
turn
over
to
my
colleague.
This
is
something
that
school
districts
have
control
over
and
can
do
now
if
they
want
to.
If
they
want
to
ensure
that
testing
is
not
happening
until
the
end
of
the
school
year,
they
can
change
their
school
calendar.
I
We
are
required
by
statute
to
notify
school
district
by
july
1st
of
the
year.
Proceeding
when
that
testing
window
is
going
to
be
this
last
year,
we
gave
them
that
information
in
january.
That
is
plenty
of
time
for
school
districts
to
adjust
their
calendars.
If
this
is
something
they
want
to
do,
mr
powers,
if
you
have
anything
to
add,
please
go
ahead.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
would
add
is
I
would
call
out
a
very
small
but
important
percentage
of
our
students
in
tennessee
and
those
are
our
students
with
profound
learning
disabilities
right
now
that
very
small
percentage
of
students
actually
takes
a
a
different
tcap
assessment
called
tcap
alt
and
the
window
for
tcap
alt
is
going
on
right
now.
N
The
reason
why
those
students
take
their
test
at
a
different
time
in
the
year
is
because
many
of
them
need
that
test
proctored
by
a
one-on-one
teacher,
and
they
they
do
better
when
they
take
those
tests
outside
of
the
hustle
and
bustle
of
the
regular
window.
This
bill
by
requiring
us
to
set
one
testing
window
that
could
occur
no
no
later
than
20
days
before
the
last
school
date.
Calendar
ends
would
require
those
students
to
begin
testing
during
the
same
time
as
all
of
the
other
tests.
A
Thank
you
both.
I
think
we
do
have
some
questions.
If
y'all
don't
mind
sticking
with
us,
I
have
on
the
list
representative
mckenzie.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
all
for
for
that
announcement.
You
actually
answered
a
couple
of
my
questions,
so
the
the
sponsor
said
in
in
her
initial
statement
that
that
teachers
talked
about
testing
in
march.
So
but
then
I
heard
you
all
say:
the
window
is
from
april
18th
through
may
6th,
which
in
fact
is.
F
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
and
and
and
you
also
said
that
that
the
schools
get
your
that
window
in
ample
time
to
set
their
date,
which
they
could
do
20
days
before
school
right
now,.
I
F
Okay,
all
right,
you
know,
and
I
guess
my
my
my
I'm
sorry.
F
I
apologize,
I
guess
my
last
question
to
the
to
the
department
is
have
have
there
been
studies
on
effectiveness
of
testing
far
out
at
versus
closer
to
the
end
of
school
year.
Is
there
anything
any
data
you
can
say
about
that?
Are
there
any
suggestions
you
can
have
on
that.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
to
my
knowledge.
No,
but
there
ought
to
be
one
of
the
in
the
amendment
that
we
had
proposed
the
sponsor,
because
we're
not
opposed
to
this
idea
on
the
face
of
it.
It
needs
more
study,
as
my
colleague
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
setting
this
window.
Ap
assessments,
the
special
needs
student
alt
assessment.
I
We
have
to
kind
of
look
at
all
of
those
things
and
set
the
best
window
possible
while
maintaining
test
validity
and
security
and
those
things
our
proposal-
and
we
spoke
to
the
comptroller's
orea
office
about
this-
would
be
to
ask
them
to
study
this
and
for
us
to
look
at
this
over
the
summer
to
survey
all
of
our
districts
and
see
what
might
be
possible
here
so
that
we
can
have
some
more
of
that
information
and
proceed
accordingly.
You
know
we
certainly
agree
with
the
intent
of
this
to
try
to
maximize
instructional
time.
I
A
Thank
you.
Next
cheerleading
weaver
you're
recognized.
D
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you,
charlie
and
jack.
I
I've
read
through
this
and
you've
been
to
my
office
numerous
times
and
and
brought
your
case
before
me,
and
I
do
like
to
get
both
positions.
I
think
that's
the
only
way
we
can
get
both
sides
of
the
story.
The
only
way
we
can
make
ample
wise
decisions
when
both
of
those
those
concerns
are
brought.
D
As
I
read
both
and
look
at
it
and
and
the
practical
part
of
it,
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
it.
What
I
do
see
is
teachers
boots
on
the
ground
who
are
actually
in
the
classroom
and
not
up
here
they're,
actually
in
the
classroom,
trying
to
work
at
ways
of
helping
their
students
succeed.
D
It
seems
to
me
that
it's
it's
something
that
they
would
like
to
do.
Why
go
through
a
study
which
just
kicks
the
can
down
the
road?
Why
not?
Just
let
us
be
able
to
not
let
us
why
not?
We
vote
on
this,
allow
it
to
be
put
into
action
and
then
allow
the
proof
and
the
puddin
to
prove
that
this
is
definitely
helping
our
students.
They
have
more
teaching
time.
That
seems
to
be
one
of
the
biggest
discussions
we
have
up
here.
D
D
Why
not
listen
to
the
boots
on
the
ground
here
and
why
not
allow
this
bill
to
be
passed
and
say
here's
one
for
our
teachers
again,
they
have
brought
to
us
a
concern.
They
have
brought
to
us
something
that
can
work
for
them.
I
think
it's
time
that
we
start
really
bending
our
ear
to
them
and
listening
to
what
they
have
to
say
in
the
classroom.
I
can't
understand
your
concerns,
but
just
let
it
fly,
let
them
try.
D
It
you're
all
we're
all
here
to
achieve
the
same
goal,
and
that
is
number
one
to
help
our
teachers
have
the
tools
they
need
to
do
what
they
need
to
do.
But
the
most
important
reason
is
to
see
our
children.
Yes
get
an
amazing
education.
This
is
one
of
those
simple
easy.
It
doesn't
even
have
a
fiscal
note
on
it.
Hallelujah,
it's
just
called
common
sense,
just
let
the
bill
fly
and
let
the
ones
who
are
in
the
boots
on
the
ground
in
those
classrooms.
D
I
Sure
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
mean
I
certainly
would
not
contest
with
with
anything
you
said
in
the
intent
to
try
to
maximize
time.
We
do
need
to
do
this
right.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
unintended
consequences
that
are
going
to
hurt
some
of
our
teachers
and
removing
local
control
of
their
calendars,
crunching
things
into
a
short
timeline
that
doesn't
give
them
adequate
time
to
test.
That
is
not
something
that
our
teachers
are
going
to
want
to
see.
We
need
to
figure
out.
I
D
Yes,
surely-
and
I
you
know
your
your
comments
are-
are
well
acceptable.
That's
accepted,
that's
fair,
but
again
you
know.
We
don't
want
to
micromanage
every
moment
and
every
option
I
mean:
what's
just
let
them
do
what
they
do
best
and
then
we
can
come
back
here
next
year
and
go
you
know
this
needs
tweaked
or
this
needs
tweaked.
We
do
that
all
the
time
down
here.
D
So
again,
I
understand
your
your
comments
and,
if
they're
fair,
but
I'm
going
to
support
the
bill,
because
I
think
we
just
need
to
let
the
teachers
do
what
they
do
best
and
that's
teach
and
listen
to
their,
what
their
reasons
why
they
think
this
is
good.
Thank
you,
chairman
and
thank
you
department.
H
H
I
think
I
asked
her
we'll
go
back
in
session
who
brought
you
this
bill,
but
I'm
always
been
a
very
strong
supporter
of
end,
of
course,
and
tcap,
but
the
biggest
thorn
in
our
side
is
they
keep
telling
us?
You
know
you
know
once
we
do
that
school
minds
will
be
over
and
the
teachings
stop
and
everything.
H
So
I
understand
why
she's
bringing
this
and
I
agree
a
lot
with
what
ribs
and
weaver
says,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
want
to
do
something
to
our
schools
to
micromanage
them,
as
you
all
say,
so
you
know
I'm
a
little
bit
in
the
dilemma
right
now.
I
think
the
representatives
comes
from
a
good
angle,
though
so
keep
talking.
A
I
sure
can
thank
you
all
right
members.
Anyone
else
on
the
amendment,
all
right
without
opposition,
we'll
go
back
in
session
hearing
none.
O
I
wasn't
ready,
madam
chair,
but
I'll
be
ready
and
and
and
thank
you,
madam
sponsor,
can
you
briefly
one
more
time
explain
what
this
amendment
is
doing,
because
I
I
think
I
love
it
and
I
just
want
to
know
what.
O
M
The
cut
scores
back
in
10
days
of
the
conversion
scores
back
in
15.
that
puts
that
into
law.
O
And
and
thank
you
for
for
bringing
this
bill-
and
I
don't
know
if
it
will
affect
this
portion
of
what
I've
been
asking
for
a
lot
of
times,
the
this
the
scores
or
the
cut
scores
are
not
set
until
after
the
tests
have
been
administered
and
and
are
graded
and
and
you
know,
it
was
always
interesting
to
me
that
if
the,
if
the
schools
didn't
know
what
that,
where
the
finish
line
was
then
and
what
was
what
would
be
qualifying
and
non-qualifying
for
the
department
to
give
them
that
after
the
race
is
over
was
all
it
was
weird
to
me,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
your
bill
fixes
that
or
helps
with
that,
so
that
these
schools
know
before
before
the
tests
are
graded.
O
Possibly
what
the
qualifying
line
is.
You
know,
but
I
don't
know
if
you'll
be
able
to
do
that,
but
this
is
obviously
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
though,
and
so
I
hope
that
you
know
I
don't
know,
if
maybe
you
can
find
some
language
in
your
build.
O
That
would
add
that
to
it
too,
so
that
people
know
where
to
where,
where
the
goal
line
is
and-
and
it's
not
moved
once
the
tests
are
graded
and
if
you
think
about
that,
that
means
that
hey
we'll
grade
the
test
and
then
we'll
decide
how
big
the
net
is
for
the
schools
that
are
not
performing
after
we've
graded
the
test.
That
makes
sense
to
you
little.
M
M
O
And
and
well
well,
let's
look
at
it
this
way.
So
if,
if
we're
running
a
sprint,
we
know
where
the
finish
line
is
before
we
start
running
that
sprint
under
what
has
been
the
practice
of
the
department
of
education,
the
schools,
the
teachers
and
the
districts.
Don't
know
where
the
finish
line
is
until
the
race
is
over
and
then
department
of
education
comes
back
and
says:
oh,
okay!
Well,
here's
your
qualifying
score.
O
What
will
qualify
you,
as
you
know,
being
out
of
our
target
so
to
speak,
for
underperforming
schools,
so
so
think
about
it
like
this
right
now,
if
once
they
once
they
take
the
test,
they
grade
the
department
grades
the
test,
and
then
they
say
what
is
an
underperforming
school
and
what
is
not.
If
the
schools,
the
districts,
the
teachers,
the
students
parents,
knew
what
level
you
had
to
reach
before
they
took
the
test,
they
wouldn't
have
a
better
idea
of
what
to
shoot
for
and
and
so
it
it.
O
M
A
A
A
C
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee,
in
the
interest
of
time
I'll
make
my
explanation
brief.
Essentially
what
this
bill
does
is.
It
requires
the
department
of
education
to
annually
report
to
the
education
committees
of
the
senate
and
the
house
of
representatives
data
on
reading
instruction
provided
by
the
education,
preparation
providers,
parentheses
teachers,
colleges
for
teachers
licensed
and
in
the
grades
of
kindergarten
through
k3,
and
this
is
supposed
to
be
done
by
august
1st
in
each
of
the
each
by
2024
in
each
of
the
following
years.
C
I
can
go
into
a
long
explanation
of
what's
required
on
this,
but
what
it
boils
down
to
a
straightforward
manner
is
seeing
what
new
teachers
that
are
coming
into
the
classroom
in
k
through
3
to
teach
literacy
are
able
to
do,
and
I
will
point
out
to
this
committee
that
I
know
very
few
human
beings
if
any,
that
intentionally
screw
up.
So
if
the
students
of
these
teachers
are
not
performing
in
advancing
in
literacy,
I
submit
to
you
it's
probably
because
those
teachers
weren't
properly
prepared
by
their
teachers
colleges.
C
The
purpose
of
this
bill
is
for
us
to
gather
data.
It
does
it
emphasizes
that
the
state
board
of
education,
which
already
has
the
authority,
but
it
emphasizes
the
state
board
of
education-
may
suspend
pardon
me,
suspend
or
revoke
the
ability
of
new
of
these
teachers
colleges
to
take
new
students
if
their
performance
is
not
satisfactory.
C
That
said,
this
data
is
going
to
be
vitally
important
to
us,
regardless
of
which
funding
bill
we
finally
decided
to
go
with,
because
what
it
enables
us
to
do
is
make
corrections
at
the
source,
the
teachers,
colleges
or
the
education
preparation
providers.
With
that
explanation,
there's
a
lot
of
detail
in
the
bill.
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
questions.
A
F
If
there's
a
teacher
is
there,
is
there
a
limit
on
the
time
that
you'll
go
back
and
I'm
going
to
paraphrase
penalize
the
the
higher
ed
institution
for
a
with
what
this
bill
deems
as
a
poor
performer?
Not?
Is
there
a
statute
of
limitations
on
that.
C
F
C
This
bill
doesn't
provide
the
other
measures,
but
yes-
and
I
prefer
not
to
use
the
term
against
the
idea-
is
that
we
create
a
standard
and
ask
them
to
meet
it
and
if
they
don't
there's
penalties
for
not.
It's
like
running
a
race.
F
You
can
continue
to
be
a
a
higher
higher
education
institution
of
higher
education
that
that
bothers
me
miss
sponsoring
that
that
that
there's
there
there
there's
a
gradient
in
this
there
are,
you
know
if
we,
if
we
fully
expect
all
100
of
teachers
or
80
percent
of
teachers
to
be
day,
one
ready,
teaching
some
of
the
most
difficult
children
that
are
out
there
a
lot
of
our
new
teachers
and,
believe
me,
I
know,
because
they
come
through
my
schools
in
my
district
and
when
they
get
their
chops,
they
tend
to
want
to
transfer
to
some
of
the
more
fluent
more
higher
paying
leas
that
that
those
teachers
coming
out
day,
one
going
into
some
of
the
most
difficult
environments
are
going
to
be
judged
and
their
colleges
are
going
to
be
judged
for
those
first
three
years.
F
F
I
would
like
to
see
where
those
teachers
are
placed
if
those
teachers
are
placed
in
your
great
schools
at
the
place
that
I
work
I'll,
be
if
they're
not
meeting
that
I
am
all
for
it.
But
if
there
are
some
of
these
places
that
we
heard
about
earlier
from
the
testimony,
we're
gonna
have
a
different
outcome:
achievement
growth,
all
of
it
because
of
the
things
that
they're
bringing
to
their
classrooms
with
them.
So
that
that
that's
that's
my
deep,
deep
concern
with
this
piece
of
legislation.
Thank
you.
C
You,
madam
chair,
and
to
address
your
concerns.
I
will
point
out
to
you
that
no
single
epp
or
education
preparation
provider
sends
all
of
their
students
to
low-performing
schools
nor
to
high-performing
schools.
They
are
a
cross
section
across
the
state
with
that,
sir
statistics
will
level
the
playing
field,
and
this
is
this.
Bill-
allows
for
averages
of
three
years
of
performance.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair,
lady,
and
these
are
some
very
easy
ones.
I
can
knock
these
out
if
it's
bom
757.
This
is
a
cleanup
bill
for
title
49..
Each
year
we
solid
solicit
input
from
the
department
of
education,
state
board
of
education,
t
heck
and
other
stakeholders
on
places.
The
code
needs
cleanup
and
I
can
go
over
them
with
you
or
you
can
read
them
on
your
own.
Do
you.
A
There's
one
zero
one:
five,
three:
two:
zero
okay.
A
A
H
H
Bill
two:
four,
two:
nine:
this
is
the
amendment
one
five,
three
two
six
seconds
correct.
H
This
was
brought
to
me
by
our
chambers
of
commerce,
especially
my
memphis
chamber.
It
deals
with
industry,
4.0
diplomas.
This
legislation
requires
the
state
board
of
education
to
develop
a
high
school
diploma
for
next-gen
technology.
Jobs
gives
students
pursuing
the
diploma
access
to
career
coaches
and
streamlines
requirements
to
obtain
occupational
teacher
license.
It's
just
put
in
place.
Have
the
state
board
put
in
place
where
our
11th
and
12th
graders
can
take
certain
cete
courses
to
move
on
into
the
workplace?
It's
a
good
workforce.
A
And
members
just
to
be
clear
all
in
favor
of
adding
this
amendment
to
the
bill,
please
say:
aye
any
post,
all
right,
you're
in
proper
order.
Any
questions.
A
D
A
D
Is
that
amendment
zero
one,
two,
five,
four,
three
correct.
Second,
you
have
a
motion.
A
second
just
give
us
a
brief
description
of
the
amendment.
D
The
motion
has
been
made
to
add
item
zero,
one
two
to
the
bill.
You're
recognized.
Thank
you.
So
much
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
all
right,
we're
eyed,
okay,.
A
Just
gonna
speak
to
the
amendment
on
the
amendment.
What
we're
doing
is
adding
the
a
specific
learning
disability-
and
this
goes
along
with
our
individualized
education.
Savings
account
for
special
needs
students.
So
this
is
adding
a
specific
learning
disability
to
that
list.
D
F
Thank
you,
ma'am,
chair
and,
and
my
question
is:
have
we
done
any
research
to
see
how
I
think
there's
about
300
kids
that
are
now
part
of
this
program
for
other
disabilities?
Have
we
done
any
data
gathering
to
see
how
successful
they
are
with
this
specialized
incentive.
F
Thank
you,
you
know,
and
looking
at
the
numbers
it
looks
like
this
number
is
going
to
almost
double
with
this.
With
this
one
addition,
this
specific
learning,
disability
and-
and
we
don't
really
know
where
we
are
on
it-
I
mean
it's,
it
just
seems
a
bit
premature
or
it
doesn't
seem
to
make
a
lot
of
you
know
sense
in
terms
of
where
we're
we're.
We
are
doing
a
lot
already
in
our
school
system.
A
Chair
you're
recognized,
thank
you.
Well,
I
think
to
that.
It
is
amazing
to
me,
as
we
look
at
what
our
lease
do.
I
I'm
I'm
over.
I'm
overwhelmed
just
thinking
about
how
many
disabilities
they
are
faced
with
and
year
after
year
they
never
know
what's
coming
to
them
and
so
my
hat's
off
to
the
job
that
they
have
been
doing.
A
So,
if
you
want
to
look
at
this
as
a
more
of
a
parent
involvement
bill
where
there
are
certain
cases
where
the
schools
just
aren't
able
to
meet
the
needs,
and
so
this
is
just
a
tool
in
the
tool
belt
for
a
parent
that
does
not
that
thinks,
there's
something
else
outside,
and
this
would
help
them
reach
that
goal
for
their
child
and
that
specific
learning,
disability
that
they
may
have
and
it
is
diagnosed
by
school
psychologists.
You
know
there's
parameters
for
how
they
would
qualify
and
I
think
too,
to
speak
to
well.
A
D
Members,
I'm
just
gonna
remind
you,
we're
on
a
hard
stop
here.
We
have
to
be
out
of
here.
So
please
keep
your
questions
to
the
point.
O
Madam
chair,
this,
I
can't
be
quickly.
This
is
a
an
important
bill
that
actually
expands
vouchers,
and
so
this
is
not
one
that
we
can
rush
through
without
having
a
real
discussion
about.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
I'm
gonna.
I
want
us
to
roll
this
bill
to
the
next
calendar
so
that
we
can
actually
have
a
real
discussion
on
this.
This
is
not
one
that
we
can
jam
through
like
like
or
to
the
heel
of
the
calendar.