►
Description
House Education Instruction Subcommittee - January 25, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
B
A
You
very
much
first
of
all,
let's
let's
go
around
the
room
and
just
quickly
introduce
yourselves
your
name
and
what
district
you're
from
and
kind
of
what
part
of
tennessee
I'm
state
representative
scott
sapicki.
I
serve
the
64th
district,
which
is
murray
county.
C
D
Hello
greetings,
I'm
terri
lynn,
weaver.
I
represent
the
fabulous
folks
of
the
40th
district,
which
is
smith
where
I
live:
dekalb
trousdale,
a
sliver
of
sumner
and
part
of
dekalb
county.
I
live
out
by
the
center
hill
lake.
The
well-known
secret
of
recreation
come
out
and
see
us
sometime
when
it's
warmer.
E
F
A
G
H
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
bruce
griffey,
I'm
from
the
75th
house
district,
which
has
been
henry
and
stewart
counties
and
for
the
purposes
of
this
committee,
probably
the
schools
are
the
largest
employer
in
my
district,
and
I
try
to
reach
meet
regularly
with
my
directors
of
schools
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
education.
It's
an
honor
to
be
on
this
committee.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
my
apologies
for
being
late.
My
name
is
john
reagan.
I
represent
district
33,
which
is
the
majority
of
anderson
county.
I
have
three
school
districts
within
my
legislative
district
oak
ridge
city
schools,
which
used
to
be
nationally
ranked,
is
still
ranked
among
the
top
in
the
state,
clinton,
city,
schools
and
anderson
county
schools.
B
Anderson
county
schools
have
bragging
rights.
They
have
at
one
time
raised
their
a.c.t
score
in
a
single
year
by
nearly
a
full
point
on
average,
so
they've
kind
of
broken
the
code
they
got
catching
up
with
their
sister
institutions
in
the
state,
but
all
those
institutions
are
historic.
Some
of
you
may
remember
the
clinton
city
schools
were
the
first
schools
in
the
south
to
integrate
contrary
to
popular
opinion.
It
wasn't
little
rock
and
they
are
also
among
the
top.
Also
now
they
are.
B
They
are
now
a
k
through
8
system,
rather
than
k
through
12..
Anything
I
need
to
add
mr
chair.
A
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
if
you
look
up
the
word
brevity
in
the
dictionary,
you
will
not
see
john
reagan
there,
I'm
gonna
go
around
a
room
here
and
introduce
some
people
that
will
be
with
us.
The
rest
of
the
year
to
my
right
is
our
attorney.
Katie
robertson
to
my
left
is
blake
hassler,
our
research
analyst,
our
madam
clerk
is
jan
wright.
A
Our
clerk
is
alexa
anger
and
our
sergeant
arms
is
tony
townsend
he's
in
the
back
and
then
our
archives
is
perry
davis
at
the
very
back
too
perry.
Thanks
for
doing
all
this.
For
us
members,
our
legislative
assistant,
janice
emailed
each
one
of
you,
a
copy
of
the
committee
rules,
if
you
have
any
questions
about
them,
please
stop
by
the
office
and
let
us
know
we'll
try
to
answer
your
questions
for
you.
Are
there
any
personal
orders
or
recognitions
before
we
begin
representative
griffey.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Mr
chairman,
I
forgot
to
mention
that
my
I
have
four
directors
of
schools
in
my
district
and
I
forgot
to
mention
their
names
and
what
a
wonderful
job
they
do
for
and
that's
mark
florence
leah,
watkins,
norma
gerald
and
mike
craig,
so
they
did
a
great
job
and
I
know
they're
watching.
So.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
H
B
A
Anybody
else
seeing
none.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
have
one
bill
on
the
agenda
today,
I'll
be
turning
over
to
gavel
to
chairman
moody
as
she'll.
Do
that,
while
I
go
present
the
bill.
A
Thank
you,
everybody.
There
is
currently
an
amendment
on
this
bill.
We
will
not
be
using
that
amendment.
The
I
want
to
give
kudos
to
the
department
of
education
and
the
state
board
of
education
for
working
out
the
issues
there
we'll
be
working
off
the
bill
as
filed,
madam
chairman.
A
Basically,
what
this
does
is
there's
a
process
right
now,
when
our
standards
review
committee
for
math
for
science,
for
social
studies
for
language
arts,
they
go
ahead
and
they
put
together.
They
reach
out
to
many
many
groups
when
we
go
through
a
standards
review,
currently
we're
going
through
math
right
now.
We
just
got
done
with
english
language,
arts
we'll
be
taking
up.
A
I
think
it's
social
studies
next
and
then
science
or
maybe
just
the
opposite,
but
all
this
bill
does
this
quite
simply
is
there's
no
process
for
the
state
board
of
education
on
what
they're
supposed
to
do
in
regards
to
when
these,
when
the
standards
review
committee
submits
the
new
standards
for
approval
of
the
state
board,
and
so
all
this
does,
is
it
creates
a
process
that
the
state
board
of
education
upon
receiving
the
new
standards
from
the
standards
review
committee
can
adopt,
can
reject
or
can
revise
those
now
remember
this:
it's
not
the
job
of
the
state
board
of
education
to
rewrite
the
standards,
but
there's
times
that,
when
something
gets
missed
from
the
standard
review
committee
that
this
will
give
the
state
board
of
education,
the
ability
to
take
a
scalpel
and
and
either
make
a
change
or
request
a
change
of
the
standards
review
committee
to
get
things
in
the
best
form
for
our
students
in
tennessee.
C
Thank
you
chairman
for
that
explanation
and
I
see
representative
mckenzie.
We
saw
your
hand
first.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
that
explanation,
and,
and
as
stated,
I
I
I
would
wholeheartedly
endorse
this
proposal,
but
my
question
is:
what,
within
the
language
of
this
bill,
would
create
what
you
said
a
surgical
approach,
that
the
way
I
read
this
is
they
may
revise
the
bill.
So
that's
my
first
question.
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
and
my
my
my
biggest
consternation
is,
with
the
word,
revised
and
and
the
the
the
committee
is
a
group
of
experts
and
not
not
to
say
that
experts
are
perfect,
but
they
are
experts
within
that
that
that
field-
and
I
I
would
hate
to
see
a
committee
put
in
tireless
hours
of
of
work
and
effort
and
get
through
to
a
good
product,
a
great
product
and
it
gets
revised
by
a
a
board
that
probably
has
a
good
cross-cut
but
they're,
not
the
experts,
that's
appointed
by
our
governor.
H
So
again
I
I'm
actually,
okay
with
a
rejection,
an
outright
rejection
craig,
you
know,
send
it
back
and
bring
me
a
new
rock
but
the,
but
that
that
revision
part
and
the
way
I
read
it.
It
does
not
go
back
to
the
recommendations
committee
for
their
expert
opinion
on
that
revision
that
once
it's
revised,
it's
it
becomes
the
standard.
So
how
can?
How
would
you
address
that?
Well,.
C
A
A
H
A
Well,
in
the
bill,
the
the
word
revised
is
inherently
what
it's
supposed
to
do.
This
is
the
working
relationship
that
normally
the
state
board
of
education
and
the
standard
review
committee
already
has
currently
in
code.
It
only
says
that
they
can
adopt
that's
it
period.
They
have
no
other
say
there.
What
this
does
is
give
them
the
latitude.
They
already
have
a
working
relationship
that
they
work
around
that
part
of
the
law
where
they
ask
stuff
to
go
back
and
be
tweaked.
H
And
this
is
a
question
to
you,
madam
chair.
Is
there
a
word
for
us
to
hear
from
the
board
of
education?
I
mean
the
department
of
education.
C
If
we
all
have
to
go
out
a
session
to
do
that,
would
you
like
that?
Yes,
please,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
getting
back
into
the
rule
thing
again.
We
have
to
have
24-hour
notice.
I'm
sorry
representative,
I
forgot
that
yes,.
C
A
Madam
chairman,
yes,
I'm
kind
of
perplexed
about
your
questioning
here
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
it's
because
the
department
of
education
was
the
one
that
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill
and
the
department
of
education
was
the
one
that
told
me
they
were
okay,
removing
it.
So
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
what
the
issue
is
here.
H
Thank
you
manager
from
from
my
conversation
that
that
they
that
they
poured
it
based
on
the
fact
that
that
that
the
state
board
didn't
feel
with
changing
the
and
to
an
to
an
a
would
dictate
a
public
hearing,
but
the
actual
merits
of
revision.
H
A
So
let
me
shed
a
little
light
with
a
conversation
with
the
department
of
education,
so
the
adopt
and
reject
everybody
looks
to
be
happy.
We
understand
what
that
means.
The
issue
with
revised
the
original
amendment
had
language
in
there
that
had
the
department.
C
All
right,
thank
you
for
that
explanation.
I
have
representative
griffey
next.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
chairman
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
was
wondering
for
if
you
might
be
able
to
explain
and
give
some
detail
on
how
this
accreditation
process
works
with
the
committee,
who
makes
up
these
committees
or
these
tennessee
teachers
and
professionals
that,
because
we've
got
tons
of
very
highly
highly
capable
people
in
tennessee
and
tennessee
educators
and
have
said
some
for
years,
are
they
involved
with
these
standards
committees?
A
Chairman,
thank
you,
madam
chairman,
so
large
question
I'll
try
to
be
brief,
as
I
can
for
you.
Let's
work
it
backwards,
state
board
of
education.
Currently,
the
nine
members
are
appointed
by
the
governor.
They
come
through
our
committees
for
confirmation.
Then
they
serve
not
only
at
the
pleasure
of
the
governor,
but
they
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
general
assembly
who
confirms
them.
A
The
standards
review
committee
goes
through
some
kind
like
process,
but
the
main
role
of
standards
review
committee
is
to
reach
out
to
educators,
administrators
stakeholders
and
say:
hey.
Take
a
look
at
the
standards
that
we're
looking
at
are
any
revisions
that
need
to
be
made
any
additions
any
subtractions,
and
then
they
put
all
that
information
together.
A
You
all
know,
mr
james,
from
the
state
board
of
education.
He's
talked
many
times
about
there's
sometimes
upwards
of
70
to
80
000
responses
that
come
across
the
whole
state
from
people
making
their
comments
and
their
their
opinions
on
the
state
on
the
new
standards
that
are
being
reviewed
and
then
that
all
is
put
together
by
the
standards
review
committee
and
they
go
to
the
state
board
of
education
for
approval.
A
Sometimes
there
are
issues
that
pop
up
that
get
missed.
People
make
clerical
errors,
but
they
don't
have
the
we
have
to
give
them
the
authority
to
be
able
to
go
back
and
make
some
changes
to
make
sure
that
those
those
all
stay
within
the
purview
and
legal
to
make
sure
we
can
execute
the
standards
that
are
there.
A
A
They
will
work
together
to
promulgate
the
rules
in
the
policy
to
make
sure
that
this
is
applied
with
a
scalpel
instead
of
with
a
brush,
and
I
would
I
would
venture
to
say
that,
as
members
of
this
education
committee,
if
one
of
the
two
parties
felt
the
other
one
was
getting
out
of
line,
they'd
be
back
before
our
committee
asking
us
to
make
the
necessary
changes
to
take
corrective
action
really
quickly.
This
is
just
two
boards
trying
to
work
together.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
explanation.
It's
very
informative
and
helpful.
Let
me
ask
you
this:
is
there
any
requirement
a
certain
percentage
or
there
must
be
a
certain
participation
by
actual
tennessee
educators,
either
current
or
retired,
that
have
experience
in
a
tennessee
education
to
to
be
on
this?
The
committees
that
set
the
standards
because
I
just
feel
like
we've-
got
tons
of
highly
capable
tennessee
teachers
and
there
will
be
probably
the
subject
matter:
experts
to
be
setting
the
standards
for
tennessee
students.
A
Chairman
very
good
question:
everybody
who
sits
on
that
board
is
a
teacher
at
some
point
in
their
life
either
currently
or
past
tennessee.
Yes,
sir.
We
make
sure
that
the
standards
that
are
being
put
forth
by
the
standard
review
committee
in
math
science,
social
studies
and
language
arts
that
are
meeting
the
standards
that
we
want
in
our
school
system
to
be
taught
to
our
children.
A
F
I
know
this
is
going
to
come
as
a
surprise,
but
I'm
kind
of
agreeing
with
representative
griffey
there.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
stakeholders
are
being
included
in
the
process,
and
I
guess
it's
a
question
for
you
is:
how
does
how
does
this
process
include,
or
or
or
deny
the
local
education
agencies
and
school
boards
to
to
have
an
impact
in
this
process?
What's
their
role
in
this
chairman.
A
A
The
standard
review
committee
reaches
out
through
surveys
sends
the
standards
proposals.
Are
they
get
the
administrators?
They
will
get
the
teachers
involved.
I
know
for
a
fact
when
there
was
a
group
of
teachers
in
murray
county
that
we're
looking
at
some
of
the
math
standards
together
and
they're
all
grade
level
appropriate
you're
not
going
to
have
a
math
teacher
in
high
school
looking
at
something
for
fourth
grade,
they
all
try
to
make
sure
to
grade
level
appropriate.
A
A
lot
of
it
is
all
sent
in
through
email
of
requests.
They
have
a
very
broad
and
open
line,
everything's
transparent
that
can
be
sent
to
them.
They
make
sure
that
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
the
standard
review
committee.
If
you
know
the
process
is
not
something
that
is
very
short-term,
it's
a
very
long
process
and
that's
the
whole
thing
of
having
the
two
boards
working
together.
A
F
So
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
I
feel
like
decisions
that
are
going
to
be
made
further
and
further
away
from
students
and
parents
and
teachers
and
principals
and
communities,
and
that
I
think
that
we
should,
as
the
legislature,
make
sure
that
we
take
more
time
to
engage
the
stakeholders
because,
as
we
we've
seen
in
the
past,
we
make
a
lot
of
decisions
that
we
think
is
right.
But
we
fail
to
take
the
time
to
actually
talk
to
the
boots
on
the
ground.
F
F
What
representative
mckenzie
was
saying
is
that
we
don't
want
to
make
sure
that
that
that
they
have
this
final
review
process
that
just
can
take
it
and
cut
it
up,
and
it
looks
nothing
like
the
original
intent
of
what
was
going
on
and
that's
what
I
feel
like.
That
is
an
opportunity
for
this
to
happen
with
this
bill
chairman.
A
Thank
you
very
good
question.
That's
one
of
our
jobs,
chairman
dixie,
is
oversight
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen,
and
I
know
the
department
of
education
sitting
here,
and
I
know
that
the
board
of
education
is
watching
online
right
now
that
they
know
that
we
are
watching
everything
that
gets
done,
not
just
trying
to
interject
our
opinion
there,
but
making
sure
that
everybody
plays
nice
together
in
the
same
area.
A
I
don't
want
to
get
a
phone
call.
Neither
do
you
that
hey
we
got
a
wholesale
change
in
this.
That
would
be
very
bad
for
them.
If
they
did
that-
and
I
I'm
sure
you,
along
with
me,
would
take
issue
with
that
very
quickly
if
the
state
board
of
education
starts
to
wholesale
and
unilaterally
override
the
state,
the
state
standard
review
committee
I'll
take
personal
exception
to
that
myself.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
chairman.
I'm
sure
you've
got
most
of
the
emails
that
I've
that
I've
received
this
week
is
this
bill
in
any
form
or
fashion,
taking
any
authority
away
from
the
local
local
boards
chairman.
No
thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Since
representative
dixie
mentioned
my
name,
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
gratitude
for
him
for
the
wisdom
he
sees
and
the
wealth
of
knowledge
I
bring
and
to
these
decisions
and
glad
he's
going
to
jump
on
board
where
I
am
but
all
kidding
aside
honestly,
I
I
do
agree
that
you
know
the
subject
matter.
Experts
in
tennessee
are
tennessee
teachers
and
administrators
and
professionals
doing
this,
and
if
we
would
listen
to
them,
they'll
get
our
grades
up
for
our
students
and
and
get
our
test
scores
up.
C
C
C
Members
that
brings
us
to
a
conclusion
of
our
calendar.
Today,
representative
mckenzie.
H
Thank
you,
man,
sure,
and
and
and
this
is
just
a
question
or
a
request
at
this
point,
may
I
make
a
a
blanket
request
that
the
department
of
education
be
on
the
list
to
speak
at
our
meetings.
We
are
education,
instruction
subcommittee
and
I
wouldn't
see
any
meeting
that
will
come
up
that
that
we
would
not
want
to
have
our
experts
speak
to
us.
So
is
it?
Would
it
be
appropriate
for
me
to
make
that
request
at
this
time.
H
Yes,
because
I
mean,
when
you
say,
24
hours
notice,
what
I
don't
want
is
the
situation
where
I
give
it
48
hours
right
now,
I'm
giving
it
up.
You
know
128
3
400,
whatever
what
what
number
of
hours
do?
I
have
to
to
make
it
and
really
don't
have
to
make
this
on
a
weekly
basis.
You
know
in
in
today's
time
and
age,
there
is
a
call
for
transparency,
there's
a
call
for
a
full
vetting
of
this
issue.
H
That's
why
we're
here
and
I
just
want
to
say
they
need
to
be
available
to
us
and
right
now-
they're
not
or
they
weren't
today
and
and
if
we
don't
think
to
send
the
email
or
go
see
the
clerk
or
whatever
the
process
is.
I
would
just
like
to
ask
right
now
if
we
could
have
them
available
for
the
rest
of
this
session.
A
Now,
mr
mckenzie,
according
according
to
rules,
we
operate
and
it's
very
clear
from
the
from
the
house
that
24-hour
notice
is
required.
Now
this
bill
was
put
on
notice.
Last
week
that
mean
you
had
plenty
of
opportunity
to
contact
to
read
the
bill
and
contact
the
department
of
education
and
have
them
answer
all
your
questions
before
you
got
in
here
and
if
you
didn't
have
a
question
that
was
answered,
you
had
the
opportunity
24
hours,
just
like
every
member
here
has
to
request
that
somebody
be
here
to
put
on
on
the
agenda
to
speak.
A
As
chairman,
I
am
happy
to
honor
that
request
any
time
it's
made,
but
it
would
have
to
be
made
every
week.
We
can't
have
a
standing
order
here,
because
then
we're
going
to
get
a
standing
order
that
everybody's
going
to
want
to
be
privy
to
that
same
thing,
it's
going
to
create
chaos,
but
the
bills
are
put
on
notice.
The
week
before
they're
heard
here,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
read
every
bill.
A
That's
put
on
notice,
as
a
member
of
this
committee,
I'm
pretty
sure
the
our
staffers
here
make
sure
that
the
the
agendas
go
out
to
every
member
of
this
in
plenty
of
time
to
make
sure
to
meet
the
24-hour
rule.
So
I
would
just
caution
you
that
we
get
in
these
non-blanket
statements
where
we're
just
going
to
have
people
that
can
come
up
with
a
microphone
anytime.
We
want
the
job
of
this
committee
is
to
get
the
information
to
research
the
information
and
make
the
final
decisions
here.