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House Budget Hearings- February 17, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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A
A
B
A
A
And
thank
you
for
coming
on
a
rainy,
yucky
thursday.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
and
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
have
hear
directly
from
you
on
your
budget
request
and
give
our
folks
an
opportunity
to
ask
any
questions
that
they
may
have
so
without
further
ado.
We're
going
to
try
to
be
as
speedy
as
we
can
today
given
weather
conditions,
and
we
would
just
ask
you
to
begin
your
presentation
all
right.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
committee
members
for
having
us
today.
Tennessee
corrections
institute
is
responsible
for
inspections
of
all
the
jails
across
the
state
of
tennessee,
all
of
the
training
across
the
state
of
tennessee
and
the
technical
assistance
related
to
local
correctional
facilities,
your
jails,
work,
houses,
police
lockups.
A
Thank
you,
mr
williams.
We
appreciate
mr
wall,
I'm
sorry,
that's!
Okay!
It's
been
a
long
week
and
I
do
apologize
for
stumbling
around
names
and
departments,
but
we
are
going
to
totally
focus
on
the
work
that
you
all
do.
Particularly
you
mentioned
the
re-entry
program.
So
I
think
we
do
have
some
questions
about
that
chairman,
crawford,
you're,
recognized.
C
Absolutely
we
can
send
a
copy
of
the
standards
we
have
had
our
hearing
on
the
emergency
rules.
Now
we're
waiting
on
the
hearing.
Our
our
legal
advisor
tori
grimes
with
the
department
of
correction,
is
still
looking
for
a
date
that
we're
gonna
have
the
final
hearing
to
where
the
rules
are
actually
set.
So
all
of
that
has
been
completed
in
conjunction
with
the
sheriff's
association
department
of
correction
and
really
all
the
stakeholders
across
the
state.
We've
completed
the
training
and
we're
hoping
to
implement.
C
B
C
I'm
not
inspected
for
their
regular
standards
but
related
to
accreditation,
they've
all
been
trained
because
the
rules
weren't
approved
yet
we've
we've
trained
them.
We're
providing
technical
system
to
get
help
things
get
put
in
place.
We've
worked
to
get
grants
to.
We
have
a
lot
of
agencies
out
there,
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
strong
r
certification
and
mrt
training,
to
have
each
facility
certified
in
those
those
items.
So
they
can
move
forward
with
meeting
accreditation
standards.
It
was
offered
to
distressed
rural.
C
A
C
I
would
like
to
have
everyone
who's
interested
accredited
before
the
end
of
the
year
in
the
legislation
it
did
say
or
in
the
law.
It
says
that
the
department
of
correction
needs
six
months
notice,
so
once
those
rules
are
approved,
we're
going
to
send
out
applications
and
we'll
send
the
department,
a
correction
notice
to
say,
hey,
they're,
interested
in
an
accreditation
and
we're
going
to
move
forward
so
the
day
that
six
months
hits
they're,
accredited
and
they're
receiving
that
reimbursement.
C
Tier
tier
one
is
about
the
introduction
of
evidence-based
programming
and
wrap-around
services,
increased
training
for
officers,
those
types
of
things
to
help,
support
programming
and
re-entry
and
reducing
recidivism
in
the
facility,
and
then
there's
a
higher
level
of
programming
and
more
of
an
investment
in
in
mental
health
and
those
types
of
things
in
tier
two.
I
don't
have
all
the
standards
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
just
a
build
from
tier
one
to
tier
two
to
say:
hey
we're,
offering
more
programming
we're
doing
more
things
like
tier
two.
C
I
have
a
full-blown
work
release
program
where
they're
trying
to
get
people,
job
skills
and
those
types
of
things
so
and
a
lot
of
counties
that
don't
have
that
setting
that
up
is
going
to
take
time
and
we're
we're
attempting
to
help
them
right
now
to
achieve
tier
two,
but
at
least
with
tier
one.
They
can
get
the
process
started
and
start
receiving
a
higher
level
of
reimbursement.
C
Tier
2
is
an
increased
level
in
in
participation
having
more
programming
opportunities,
adding
a
work
release
program
to
that
that
component
goes
into
tier
two.
The
great
news
about
the
accreditation
standards
is,
is
they're
optional,
meaning
that
that
not
every
facility
has
to
participate,
but
also,
once
you
get
into
the
standards.
Is
there
something
that
that
is
costly
or
you
can't
get
get
traction
with
with
your
county
commission
between
to
get
behind,
then
they
can
opt
out
of
some
of
those
standards
up
to
three
of
those
standards
that
that
are
not
mandatory.
C
So
it's
we
believe
it's
feasible
for
at
least
today
about
80
percent
of
the
facilities
across
the
state
to
be
tier,
one
relatively
quick
and
that's
just
maybe
a
tweak
of
the
policy
or
or
you
know,
putting
down
what
they're
already
doing
and
being
able
to
track
that.
So
we
can
go
back
and
look
and
say:
hey,
yeah,
they're,
absolutely
meeting
accreditation
standards.
C
We
currently,
we
don't
have
tier
three
rules,
they're
only
tier
one
and
tier
two.
The
initial
proposal
was
to
have
a
three-tiered
process
and
and
but
what
what
ended
up
happening
deliberation
is.
Is
you
know,
let's
just
make
it
a
clear-cut
line,
two
tiers
three
dollars
for
the
first
tier
per
state,
inmate
and
then
six
dollars
for
the
next
tier.
A
B
C
C
C
So
it's
about
creating
a
job
pool
and
then
the
program's
been
so
successful.
The
the
governor's
office
decided
to
mirror
that
program
to
all
27
tcat
locations
and
13
tbr
locations
across
the
state.
So
it's
a
pretty
broad
improvement
to
what
they're
doing,
but
we're
going
to
have
people
who
are
trained,
educated
and
ready
to
work
in
your
local
correctional
facilities
across
the
state
and
that
have
that
opportunity.
B
C
Oh
well,
the
mass
majority
of
it
will
be
used
for
contracting
with
with
specific
training
across
across
the
state.
There
are
many
rural
distressed,
at-risk
counties
that
don't
have
access
to
to
different
types
of
trainings.
A
lot
of
things
are
expensive
for
a
local
agency
to
bring
in,
let's
say,
training
on
defensive
tactics.
C
But
this
continued
funding
will
certainly
do
that
because
the
in,
as
well
as
the
housing,
because
many
agencies
can't
afford
to
send
people
over
to
let's
say
knoxville
and
they
live
in
johnson
city.
Maybe
the
agency
doesn't
have
the
money
but
to
be
able
to
put
them
up
for
the
agency
and
while
they
attend
the
training
and
receive
a
certification
will
be
beneficial
to
the
local
sheriff's
and
local
detention
facilities.
B
A
C
The
the
reserve
most
of
the
reserve
was
was
really
built
up
at
the
very
beginning
when
the
correctional
officer
training
fund
was
established
and
our
spending
authority
stops
at
a
certain
amount
and
right
now
we're
spending
about.
I
don't
know,
roughly
a
million
dollars
a
year,
specifically
on
training
and
providing
access
to
training.
A
good
example
is
we
have
an
initiative
where
we
distressed
counties
and
at
risk
counties
were
bringing
them
to
conferences
or
providing
specialized
training
such
as
a
compliance
officer
training.
C
We
were
able
to
establish
as
well
as
there
are
numerous
cit
training
public
safety
network
training,
things
that
they
maybe
didn't
have
access
to
before
we're
able
to
do
that
on
a
level
each
year
which
we're
hoping
to
expand
that
with
this
new
funding,
that's
been
offered.
So
we
the
reason
it's
that
much
is
really
at
the
beginning.
C
We
built
it
up
to
two
million
dollars
from
2013
to
let's
say:
2015,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
numbers
are,
but
now
we've
we've
been
able
to
push
our
spending
authority
and
use
that
money
what
it
was
intended
for
and
that's
pushing
it
exactly
back
to
the
locals
and-
and
it's
been
a
great
success.
It's
provided
training
like
that
that
never
existed
prior
to
that
fund.
A
So
I
guess
the
only
question
I
would
have
is
we
continue
to
add
to
the
reserves.
So,
if
there's
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
to
change
anything
so
that
you
can
actually
put
more
dollars
back
locally,
then
I
think
that's
something
that
this
committee
would
be
interested
in
hearing
about.
I
it's
great
to
have
reserve
funds.
A
B
C
C
Currently,
out
of
those
126
facilities,
we
have
five
that
are
not
certified,
with
two
of
them
being
in
one
county.
So
and
at
one
point
it
was
over
20,
but
we
have
worked
with
those
facilities
through
technical
assistance
going
in
helping
them
with
operational
problems
that
they're
having
and
be
able
we're
able
to
move
them
up
and
and
now
they're
certified.
B
C
Oh
it's.
It
varies
so
much
from
from
operational
to
staffing
levels
to
the
physical
plant
falling
down
around
them.
Essentially,
it's
there's
there's
so
many
factors.
We
could
absolutely
have
about
a
three
hour
conversation
on.
What's
you
know
what
that
is,
there's
so
many
factors
that
that
go
into
that,
but
when
it,
when
you
just
can't
get
there,
we
work
we
work
with
them
and
we
just
take
baby
steps
along
the
way
and
and
hopefully
we
can
get
them
there
one
day,
okay,.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
as
well
and
as
leader
gantt
was
asking
this
question
to
and
picked
another
question
in
my
mind.
Talking
about
the
training
through
our
tcats,
I
hear
communication
from
my
local
tcats
in
northeast
tennessee
green
county.
Specifically,
there's
there's
a
desire
to
offer
these
courses
to
dual
enrollment
students
in
high
school.
C
C
He
brought
me
over
to
the
tcat
and
said:
hey:
can
we
get
this
and
look
at
some
dual
enrollment
and
that's
absolutely
on
the
table?
As
far
as
tci
is
concerned,
I
have
to
get
in
and
once
we
we
come
up
with
the
master
plan
for
the
tcat
locations,
then
then
I'll
have
to
get
with
the
tbr
and
say
you
know:
is
this
going
to
be
a
dual
enrollment
possibility
but
100?
C
I
agree
with
you.
It
creates
a
job
pool
that
that's
struggling
out
there
right
now.
The
local
agencies
are
struggling
with
staffing
and
this
is
a
way
to
to
help
them
get
qualified
candidates.
Maybe
maybe
not
life
experience
wise,
but
education,
wise
certification,
wise
that
they
can
receive
that
on
the
job
training
once
they
get
there.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
in
the
desire
to
make
a
career
out
of
this
and
that's
going
to
help,
hopefully
going
to
help
us
long
term.
So
I
appreciate
you
looking
at
working
with
that
as
well.
I
want
to
go
back
to
your
funding
sources.
Your
revenue
source
in
your
questionnaire,
you
filled
out
a
dime
on
every
completed
call
by
local
inmates,
goes
toward
funding,
and
that
brings
a
million
dollars
as
we're
looking
to
increase
funding
is
there.
D
C
C
Then
the
carrier
at
that
point
has
to
pay
the
10
cent
per
for
those
thousand
calls,
and
then
those
those
agencies
cut,
you
know,
say:
cut
a
check,
cut
a
check
to
tci
through
the
departments
of
finance
and
through
the
department
of
finance
and
administration,
and
it's
placed
over
to
the
our
specific
iu.
I
mean
I
got
finance
administration
here
they
could
speak.
C
They
can,
they
can
send
them
in
there,
and
I
would
say
it's
when
you
talk
about
non-contact,
I
don't
think
there's
it's
almost
impossible
to
have
non-contact,
because
you
you
have
to
go
in.
You
have
to
see
what
they're
doing
making
sure
that
they're,
okay
and
you
know,
ask
them
talk
to
them.
Ask
them
questions,
make
sure
that
that
everything
that
they,
you
know
that
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
they're
doing
and
so
non-contact,
I
would
say,
difficult
indirect
supervision.
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
wahl.
We
know
that
we
talk
a
lot
we're
hearing
a
lot
every
day
about
police
officers,
corrections
officers
who
it's
it
is
a
dangerous
job
and
I
think
the
training
that
you
all
provide
all
of
those
things,
certification
of
the
jails
to
make
them
safer
places
for
both
the
inmate
and
those
who
are
overseeing
them,
is
certainly
necessary
and
appreciated.
A
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
we're
happy
to
be
here.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
a
few
minutes
to
talk
about
our
office
and
our
budget,
and
so
to
begin
with
herbert
slatery
honored
to
be
the
attorney
general
for
our
our
great
state.
I
would
like
to
introduce
jay
dickerson,
who
is
to
my
right,
your
left,
who
is
the
chief
of
staff
and
has
a
lot
more
granular
information
on
the
budget
than
than
I
do,
and
then
pete
napatalung
is
behind
me.
E
E
The
second
item
is
a
a
market
compensation
adjustment.
Last
year
we
requested
1.5
million
to
to
help
us
be
more
competitive
in
the
market
for
recruiting
and
retaining
our
good
lawyers,
and
we
were
granted
by
by
you
and
the
and
the
governor
three
hundred
thousand
of
that.
So
we've
come
back
and
asked
for
the
balance,
which
is
a
million
two,
and
I
would
point
out
that
it's
included
in
the
governor's
proposed
budget.
So
those
are
the
only
two
changes.
E
The
next
slide
is
is
what
would
we
have
tendered
for
reductions
if
there's
a
if
there's
a
reduction,
it's
basically
a
payroll
deduction.
Our
80
percent
of
our
budget
is
related
to
personnel.
So
that's
where
that
would
come
from.
If
there
is
a
reduction
and
that's
all
the
numbers
I
have
right
to
go
through,
I
did
want
to
if
it's,
okay,
with
with
you
to
go
through
a
few
bullet
points
to
update
you
on
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
year
or
so.
E
E
You
may
recall
that
we
had
a
a
national
26
billion
dollar
settlement
with
three
distributors
and
one
manufacturer,
and
that
is
proceeding,
and
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
this
month,
we
will.
We
will
know
if,
if
the
defendants,
the
distributors
and
the
manufacturer
are
going
to
go
through
with
it,
I
will
tell
you
that
we've
got
around
46
states
and
and
and
territories
signed
on
and
and
then
last
session.
E
You,
you
worked
with
us
to
pass
an
a
a
structure
for
handling
those
settlement
funds
and
setting
up
an
opioid
abatement.
Trust
fund.
That's
going
to
be
managed
by
the
treasurer
and
an
opioid
abatement
council
that
will
determine
where
those
funds
are
are
allocated.
So
we're
proceeding
with
the
with
the
hope
that
we'll
be
able
to
finalize
that
big
settlement
shortly,
we
did
settle
with
a
consulting
firm.
E
E
E
E
Speaking
of
the
sixth
circuit,
we
also
won
a
the
48-hour
waiting
period
case
for
abortions,
a
victory
that
there
have
not
been
very
many
victories
in
that
area.
But
we
have
we
have.
We
have
that
one
so
and
then
we're
continuing
to
defend
the
challenges
to
your
statutes
that
you've
passed
on
abortion
and
gender
requirements
for
school
sports,
we're
defending
the
bep
case
and
covet
related
legislation
and
executive
orders.
E
No
excuse
me
that
yeah,
that's
all
appeal
and
and
I'm
happy
to
report-
and
this
has
been
a
long
time
in
coming-
that
the
we
want
a
unanimous
decision
in
the
u.s
supreme
court
on
what
I
call
the
mississippi
water
case,
mississippi,
sued,
tennessee,
memphis
and
memphis
like
gas
and
water
we've
been
at
it
for
eight
years
and
our
local
governments,
our
local
government
in
memphis
and
memphis
like
gas
and
water,
have
been
at
it
for
16
years.
So,
but
we
had
what
we
received.
E
The
decision
that
we
really
wanted
it
was
absolutely
dismissed,
so
they
would
have
to
start
all
over
again
if
they
wanted
to
do
that.
And
finally,
some
of
you
are
aware
of
our
consumer
advocate
unit.
We,
our
consumer
advocate
unit,
represents
consumers
before
the
tennessee
public
utilities,
commission,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
there
that
we've
been
able
in
since
november
2020
to
to
achieve
annual
savings
of
around
20
million
dollars
for
tennessee
consumers
off
the
requested
rate
increases.
So
those
are
some
highlights
of
what
we've
been
doing.
E
I
think
I've
mentioned
the
the
1.2
that
million
that
we're
requesting
for
compensation
adjustment
we're
experiencing
what
many
businesses
and
law
firms
are
experiencing
as
people
come
out
of
the
pandemic,
they're
looking
at
work
a
little
differently,
they're.
Looking
for
flexibility,
there's
a
lot
more
movement,
we've
actually
had
more
departures
from
our
office
in
the
in
six
months
than
we
had
for
the
previous
12
months.
So
we're
we're
seeing
some
significant
changes
and
this
will
help
us
be
more
competitive.
E
A
Thank
you
general,
and
you
did
a
lot
of
talking,
but
you
guys
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
much
of
it
at
the
direction
of
this
body.
So
we
thank
you
for
that
work
and
I
think
we're
achieving
some
positive
results.
So
that's
that's
always
good
to
hear.
I
have
representative
miller
on
my
list.
First.
I
think
he
might
want
to
speak
with
you
about
some
things
particular
to
memphis
and
the
subject
you
brought
up
so
representative
miller.
Thank.
E
B
Thank
you,
chair
lady.
I've
got
a
question
about
two
lawsuit
settlements:
the
first
one's
the
opioid
lawsuit
settlement.
My
question
about
that
one
is
how
much
of
that
of
the
settlement.
Money
has
been
distributed
or
been
awarded
to
tennessee
and
how
much
of
it
has
been
distributed
out
to
different
people
and
entities.
E
Chairman
we
we
have
not
finalized
it
yet,
and
we
hope
to
have
some
really
good
news
by
the
end
of
this
month.
So
there's
been
no
money
distributed,
the
numbers
are
in
place.
The
allocation
to
tennessee
is
approximately
600
million
over
18
years.
That's
the
that's
the
big
settlement,
the
and
that's
going
to
be
dispersed
in
accordance
with
the
statute
that
you
all
passed
last
year,
so
we
hope
to
get
the
money.
E
I
hope
I'm
optimistic
that
we'll
get
funds
in
may,
but
I
I
you
know,
but
we
still
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
steps
to
go
forward
nationally.
To
get
that
done.
Tennessee
is
in
really
good
shape.
We've
we've
had,
I
think
all
95
counties
have
signed
on.
All
of
our
major
cities
have
signed
on
all
cities.
I
think
in
excess
of
30
000
have
signed
on
or
the
vast
majority
of
them,
so
we've
still
got
a
little
bit
of
work,
but
we're
much
further
along
than
than
some
other
other
states.
B
E
E
You're
talking
about
the
navient
settlement,
if
I
could
I'll
give
you
specifics,
because
I
know
you
have
an
accounting
background
and
you
probably
want
specifics
on
the
numbers-
and
I
can
get
those
to
you
and
I'll
try
to
do
that
today.
But
I
think
we
I
think
we
had
around
2000
tennesseans
that
were
affected.
E
Most
of
the
money
is
going
to
be
used
in
terms
of
of
loan
forgiveness.
There's
going
to
be
restitution
to
each
to
each
tennessee
consumer,
it's
in
them.
I
think
it's
in
it's
less
than
a
thousand
dollars,
but
but
the
big
bulk
of
it
and
then
there's
all
sorts
of
injunctive
relief
sort
of
tying
the
hands
of
navient
going
forward.
But
it
was
a
significant
settlement
and
I
think
I
came
out
and
said
this.
E
The
I
think,
they're
going
to
get
two
notices.
I
think
navian
has
to
give
them
a
notice.
I
think
there's
an
administrator
and
then
to
get
the
money
they'll
have
all
they
have
to
do
is
to
have
to
go
on
their
site
on
the
website
find
out
their
find
their
account,
which
they're
used
to
and
be
sure
that
that
the
address
is
correct.
Then,
if
that's
true
they'll
get
the
check.
Okay,.
B
D
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
general
slattery,
good
to
see
you
and
your
staff
here
this
morning.
Just
you
did
mention
a
cost
increase
already
that's
associated
with
salary
adjustments.
I
think
you
mentioned
1.5
million.
Last
year
this
year
an
additional
1.2
million
has
been
proposed
once
that
has
been
applied
to
your
budget.
Where
is
that
going
to
put
you
as
far
as
are
you
going
to
be
competitive
at
that
point?
As
far
as
the
market
is
concerned,.
E
Well,
we
asked
for,
let
me
just
for
the
record
say
you
know
we
asked
for
1.5.
Last
year
we
only
got
300
000.,
so
we're
asking
for
the
balance
of
the
1.5,
which
is
which
would
be
1.2,
and
it
will
be
now
we'll
probably
wouldn't
turn
down.
If
you
wanted
to
do
more,
but
but
it
it'll
it'll
make
us
more
productive.
We
went
through
the
study
with
mercer
and
they
gave
us
some
good
background
on
it,
and
I
think
it
will
be
really
helpful.
E
You
know
things
changed
and
obviously
it's
a
fluid
market
like
like
any
business
or
profession,
but
I
it
will
be
of
great
help
and
retaining
retaining
the
experienced
lawyers
is
the
the
issue
that
I
think
about
an
awful
lot,
because
you
know
I
mentioned
these
lawsuits.
They're
they're
handled
by
you
know,
people
you
know
attorneys
who've,
had
you
know
10
plus
years
experience
normally
and
those
are
the
ones
we
want
to
keep
and
we've
lost
a
cut
lost
a
few,
and
that's
that's
not
where
we
want
to
be.
D
Thank
you
and
you
you.
I
know
one
in
particular
you
you
lost
here
not
too
long
ago
that
I'm
still
pretty
proud
of
and
we're
still
beaming
up
in
hawkins
county,
of
course,
mentioning
sarah
campbell.
So
what
a
great
addition
she's
going
to
be
to
the
supreme
court,
but
thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
your
explanation.
E
G
Thank
you,
chairman
general.
I
just
want
to
say
I
fully
support
y'all's
budget
request
and
I'll
say
this
for
the
consideration
of
this
committee
and
as
we
go
through
budget
considerations,
what
you
do
not
want
when
fighting
some
of
the
biggest
law
lawsuits
in
the
country
is
an
underfunded
attorney.
So
I
say
that
as
someone
who
practices
law,
if
you
want
good
representation,
we
have
to
fund
it
and
have
the
ability
for
them
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
we
can
win
in
court
and
so
general
throughout
your
entire
tenure,
as
attorney
general.
G
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
have
recognized
the
fact
that
just
about
all
you
ever
do
is
win.
I
mean-
and
I
know
it
absolutely
drives
you
to
a
point
of
frustration
when
you
do
not
win,
and
I
appreciate
that
an
attorney
on
someone
who
hates
to
lose
more
than
you
like
to
win,
because
when
you
win,
the
people
of
the
state
of
tennessee
are
in
better
shape
because
the
lawsuits
that
you're
fighting
dealing
with
elections
dealing
with
opioid
settlements
dealing
with
large
companies
taking
advantage
of
some
types
of
folks
in
small
companies.
G
I
mean
it's
just
it
matters.
What
you've
done-
and
I
know
you've
been
recognized
recently
as
the
best
attorney
general
in
the
united
states,
and
I
think
that
is
a
recognition
that
was
long
overdue.
So
I
merely
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
over
your
time
as
attorney
general
and
just
hopefully
we
will
be
able
to
fund
this
request
in
this
budget,
because
it
is
definitely
needed
and
I
think
overdue.
Thank
you.
H
E
E
You
know,
for
instance,
the
lawsuit
on
the
title,
seven
title:
nine
cases
you
know
we're
leading
that
so
we're
the
ones
that
are
doing
all
the
pleadings
and
and
we're
getting
buy-in
and
help
from
the
other
states,
but
we're
the
one
we're
up
front
doing
it,
and
so
we've
got
a
lot
more
invested.
There.
E
E
Had
I
not
had
the
staff
that
I
have
and,
and
I
mean
that's
just
plain
simple
truth
and
but
you
all
would
be
proud
of
the
way
tennessee
is
seen
in
nationally
and
when
we
take
up,
we
took
it.
We
want
to
we're
trying
to
join
a
case
now
that
somebody
else
has
started
so
they're
trying
to
amend
the
complaint,
we're
the
ones
drafting
the
complaint,
the
amended
complaint.
You
know
it's
and
we
have
been
described
as
when
tennessee
walks
in
the
room.
E
H
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
have
a
quick
question
about
the
consumer
advocate
unit,
and
I
also
want
to
echo
the
compliments
that
others
have
have
bestowed
on
you
because
you've
definitely,
your
office
has
been
very
responsive
when
we've
had
requests
and
and
just
need
information
about
things.
We
really
appreciate
that,
but
the
consumer
advocate
unit.
I
noticed
the
comment
you
made
about
them
earlier
and
I
was
just
not
familiar
with
that
unit.
D
Do
they
have
any
involvement
in,
I
guess
enforcing
state
law,
on
political
subdivisions
of
the
state
that
that
may
not
have
oversight
otherwise,
for
example,
utility
companies,
the
publicly
owned
or-
or
you
know
again,
subdivision
of
the
state
energy
authorities
that
may
overstep
their
bounds?
Do
they
have
any
responsibility
there,
or
is
there
a
possibility
for
them
to
to
do
anything
on
behalf
of
the
public.
E
The
answer
to
that
representative
is
is
generally
no.
The
consumer
advocate
is
we.
We
represent
the
consumer
before
the
the
tennessee
public
utilities,
commission,
who
regulates
investor-owned
utilities
and-
and
these
are
investor-owned
utilities-
that
you
know
that
have
monopolies,
they
don't
have
any.
There
are
no
market
forces
to
to
you
know,
regulate
their
the
normal
rate
increases
and
things
like
that.
E
E
To
that
rate,
increase
we're
the
one
that
the
advocate
is
the
one
who
puts
together
the
record
that
the
utilities
commission
relies
on
when
it
makes
a
decision,
and
if
you,
I
think,
if
you
ask
the
t-puck
putting
that
record
together
is
very
strenuous
and
but
it's
very
important
and
these
companies
are
monopolies
and
frankly
they
they
should
go
through
a
very
rigorous,
robust
review
of
rate
increases,
because
you
and
I
pay
them
the
businesses
you
operate
in
your
in
your
district.
You
know
they
they
pay
them.
I
mean
it's.
E
D
D
There's
not
an
entity
in
this
state
that
oversees
what
you
just
talked
about
the
rate
increases
and
they
have
monopolies
and
when
they
do
things
against
state
law,
as
you
have
opined
and
a
few
requests
that
we've
made
it's
up
to
the
consumer
to
file
a
lawsuit
and
enforce
state
law,
and
I
find
that
pretty
appalling
and
hope
that
we
can
see
some
efforts
in
the
near
future
to
get
that
changed.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
All
right,
well,
general,
sorry
that
completes
my
questioners
at
this
point
again.
We
do
very
much
appreciate
the
hard
work
and
it's
an
incredible
amount
of
time.
I
know
that
goes
into
these
cases
and
a
lot
of
long
hours
and
and
again
many
of
the
times
you
were
doing
that
at
our
behest
or
because
of
actions
that
we
have
taken.
So
we
continue
to
provide
work
for
you.
I
hope
you
appreciate
that
you
have
you
know
job
security.
A
In
that
regard,
I
don't
see
any
of
that
ending
anytime
soon,
but
again
you
do
a
marvelous
job.
That's
been
recognized
nationally.
What
else
can
we
say,
but
I
appreciate
the
fact
and
I'm
sure
your
staff
does
too
that
you,
you
know,
none
of
us
do
any
of
this
alone,
so
it
takes
a
lot
of
folks
to
make
that
work,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
you
the
money
that
you
need
this
year
to
reward
folks
for
being
there
bring
in
some
new
folks
and
so
that
we
don't
have.
E
A
For
all
you
do,
we
may
have
a
couple
of
other
questions
or
some
members
because
of
various
situations
who
aren't
here
today
and
there
may
be
a
question
or
two
but
we'll
forward
those
to
you,
thanks
for
walking
all
the
way
over
here
in
the
rain
or
driving.
Hopefully
you
drove
so
you
didn't
you
don't
look
too
damp.
A
A
A
We
have
and
thank
you
all
for
moving
up
to
the
the
table
without
prompting
help.
Let's
move
forward
as
we're
doing
some
housekeeping
things
up
here,
but
welcome
to
mr
guy
jones
executive
director
for
the
da's
conference
and
for
his
able
assistant
there
at
the
table
with
him.
So
mr
jones
will
ask
you
to
go
directly
into
your
presentation.
I
I
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
district
attorney's
guy
jones
city.
Beside
me,
zoe
sam's,
our
deputy
executive
director,
and
we
have
a
couple
folks
seated
here
on
the
front
row:
tammy
hancock,
our
fiscal
director
and
brian
jeffries
who's
new
with
us
who
is
the
assistant
fiscal
director.
We
just
have
a
few
slides
and
we
want
to
be
respectful
of
your
time,
but
we
do
have
a
situation
that
we
want
to
make
everyone
aware
of
about
the
critical
needs
that
we
have
throughout
the
state
and
deputy
director.
I
Sam's
has
helped
highlight
those
and
we'll
be
eliminating
those
as
we
go
along.
One
thing
that
I
always
need
to
do,
and
I
know
that
most
everyone
knows
what
a
da
does,
or
you
know
you
think,
about
the
courtroom
work,
but
there's
just
a
lot
of
other
things
that
go
on
from
the
investigations,
the
the
the
vulnerable
adult
protective
teams
and
the
sippit
teams.
I
But
the
main
thing
is
that
every
single
criminal
charge
has
to
be
reviewed
by
a
district
attorney
at
some
point
and
then,
if
they
go
forward,
it's
a
district
attorney
that
does
it.
We
don't
have
any
outlet
to
hire
outside
the
council
and
that
sort
of
thing
there's
a
number
of
specialty
cords
that
we
staff
and
they
take
a
lot
of
time
because
just
moving
it
through
the
normal
process
is
pretty
cut
and
dried
for
a
lot
of
cases.
I
I
That's
that
big
red,
bold
block
there
on
that
slide,
one
million
one
hundred
fifty
two
thousand
nine
hundred
ninety
seven.
That
is
just
incredible
when
you
find
the
rest
of
the
story.
First,
before
we
get
into
the
caseload,
I
thought
I
should
tell
you
what
the
request
is
for
this
year.
You
have
here
on
the
left,
a
blue
block,
dark
blue
that
has
expansions.
I
I
I
We
need
assistant
district
attorneys
and
that
number
on
the
first
page
about
the
1
million
152
000,
begins
to
make
sense
in
terms
of
caseload.
We
have
collected
data
about
case
statistics
for
some
years,
but
we
basically
use
it
to
compare
between
the
districts.
What
we
didn't
do
and
what
the
director
sams
realized
soon
after
arriving
a
year
or
so
ago,
we
needed
to
divide
that
into
the
number
of
people
that
are
available
to
the
work.
So
on
the
next
page,
you
see
caseload
information
going
back
historically
for
several
years.
I
J
J
So
what
we
did
was
we
collected
all
the
case
information
available
through
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
and
from
county
clerks,
and
so
that
is
how
we
collected
the
general
sessions
in
criminal
court
case
totals
that
you
see
here
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen.
You
will
see
the
historic
caseload
average
for
for
the
last
several
years
and
so
for
fy
2013
2014
to
fy
2018
2019.
J
You
can
see
that
the
case
loads
grew
by
20
percent,
but
our
adas
only
grew
by
6
and
that
six
percent
also
includes
county
funded
positions
and
grant
funded
positions
as
well.
So
that
just
goes
to
highlight
the
point
that
our
position-
growth
is
not
keeping
up
with
the
rise
in
case
loads
that
you
see
there,
so
the
average
for
fy
2019-2020
was
over
2000
cases
per
ada
and
that
range
ranges
from
mr
mini
misdemeanor
cases
to
felony
cases.
So
that
includes
homicides
and
simple
assaults.
Things
like
that
or
criminal
trespasses.
J
So
and
the
other
note
there
is
that
the
pandemic
has
also
just
made
this
issue
more
serious.
We
have
found,
we
did
just
a
random
study
from
three
rural
districts
to
try
to
pull
some
case
information
and
we
found
that
in
criminal
court
alone.
If
we
took
september
21
data
compared
to
september
2019
data
on
average,
those
assistant
das
had
a
thousand
extra
cases
pending
trial
in
just
criminal
court
alone.
So
that
gives
us
some
idea
of
a
backlog
that
we're
seeing
because
of
the
pandemic
from
surveys
done
throughout
the
country.
J
Their
prosecutors
did
and
presented
that
to
their
finance
committees
in
2018
and
found
that
their
caseload
average
for
general
sessions
courts
was
a
little
over
360
cases
per
ada
in
tennessee.
If
only
our
adas
just
worked
general
sessions
cases
their
case
total
would
be
a
thousand
eight
hundred
and
forty
seven.
So
it's
a
very,
very
big
difference
and
florida
you'll
see
that
as
well
in
missouri.
You
can
see
those
totals
so
florida.
J
Their
case
average
was
570
per
ada
and
missouri
was
466
where
once
again,
ours
is
over
2
000
cases
per
ada,
the
information
for
florida
and
missouri.
We
just
got
that
from
their
equivalent
of
their
administrative
office
of
the
courts
as
well.
So
it's
the
same
type
of
data,
that's
provided,
and
we
thought
that
was
the
best
way
to
compare
apples
to
apples
to
make
sure
that
we
were
getting
the
most
consistent
information
as
possible,
and
then
you
can
see
in
the
last
note
there
for
oklahoma
and
their
res.
I
J
You're
kind
of
thrown
in
in
general
sessions,
court
potential
increase
in
errors
of
cases
more
appealable
issues
that
then
go
up
and
a
potential
to
lose
a
case
that
if
you
would
have
more
time
for
preparation
and
to
work
with
your
officers,
it
may
not
have
happened
that
way.
And
then
the
other
interesting
fact
that
we
found
from
some
of
the
research
was,
you
actually
have
less
time
to
work
with
defense
counsel
to
can
consider
alternative
sentencing.
J
And
so,
if,
if
you
have
an
ada
who's
trying
to
process
through
the
docket,
they
may
not
have
as
much
time
to
consider
the
criminal
history
to
consider.
If
this
person
is
a
good
candidate
for
some
of
the
diversion
courts
that
are
being
created
across
the
state,
one,
one
note
that
we
found
in
some
of
the
research
said
that
a
case
file
that
is
going
through
a
diversion
court,
a
ada,
touches
that
25
times
more
than
a
case.
That's
just
going
through
the
regular
process,
and
so
they
just
they
demand
more
time.
I
A
Thank
you,
mr
jones,
and
thank
you
zoe,
I'm
I'm
sorry
that
was
informal,
but
it
we
appreciate
and
really
digging
down
in
into
some
numbers.
I
do
have
several
questions,
but
before
we
get
to
those
chairman's
program,
you
mentioned
the
turnover
issue
and
you
know
they're
the
many
impacts
of
you
know
heavy
caseloads.
I
Our
current
turnover
is
a
little
over
five
percent
for
assistant
district
attorneys
and
that
may
not
sound
like
a
tremendous
amount
but
25
or
30
each
year
out
of
454
state
paid.
It
does
cause
us
to
lose
experience.
Most
of
those
are
going
to
the
private
sector
where
they
can
find
much
better
compensation.
I
I
A
I
A
A
J
And
for
the
most
part,
that
information,
especially
in
criminal
court,
is
collected
by
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts,
but
at
this
point
I
think
we're
still
uncertain
of
in
general
sessions.
What
that
looks
like,
but
typically
I
think
the
national
average
is
usually
80,
90
98,
of
course,
sometimes
that
can
be
that
they
are
actually
playing
to
that
charge
to
the
appropriate
charge
to
the
minimum,
or
it
could
be
a
sentencing
hearing
things
like
that.
K
I
Yes,
sir,
yes,
sir,
most
of
that
funding
last
year
was
to
improve,
extend
the
case
management
system
to,
I
believe,
knoxville
and
shelby
county,
and
they
had
not
been
on
the
same
case
management
system
as
the
other
20
actually
27
districts,
I
believe
hamilton,
county
and
davidson
are
still
on
a
separate
system.
You
know
they
grew
up,
just
as
the
conference
did
and
they
had
resources
in
the
big
cities
and
they
developed
case
management
systems
or
something
that
would
serve
as
a
case
management
system.
I
I
We
will
begin
rolling
it
out
in
the
second
judicial
district,
that's
sullivan
county
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
then
the
13th
judicial
district,
which
is
sort
of
the
upper
cumberland
cookeville
crossville.
They
have
been
the
guinea
pigs
on
numerous
innovations,
they're
very
receptive
to
technology
and
improvement
of
that
nature.
So
then
we
will
be
able
to
refine
it
a
little
and
then
train.
I
I
That's
that's
one
of
the
issues,
for
instance
in
shelby
county
that
we
have
to
merge
the
data.
That's
there.
We
don't
want
to
lose
the
data
and
that's
a
big
big
system
of
course
already
in
place.
So
that's
one
of
the
issues
is:
our
system
is
still
being
finalized.
This
pro
case
system
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
will
bring
in
existing
data.
We
hope
we
hope
that
hamilton
and
and
davidson
eventually
are
both
in
the
system.
A
I
Don't
I
don't,
I
can't
say
that
it
won't.
I
just
know
that
they
have
not
asked
yet
to
be
integrated
into
it
and
we've
sort
of
got
all
we
can
do
shelby
county
still
months
out
and
so
is
so
is
knox.
We've
not
really
tested
it
yet
in
any
district
as
a
as
a
live
product,
that's
again
sullivan
second
district
and
then
the
13th
district,
several
counties
in
the
upper
cumberland
we've
done
it
this
way
before,
when
we've
rolled
out
new
products
related
to
technology,
we'll
get
there,
I'm
I'm
confident
over
time.
A
I
guess,
and
maybe
I'm
not
clearly
stating
my
question,
but
do
we
know
if
there
is
compatibility
between
the
systems
in
place
and
in
hamilton
and
davidson
and
the
system
that
you
all
are
doing
or
will
there
at
some
point
in
time?
Hamilton
and
davidson
systems
will
have
to
be
upgraded
or
changed
whatever
the
appropriate
terminology
is
in
order
to
integrate
into
your
system.
A
You
know
in
a
year
two
years
or
whenever
in
order,
because
it
seems
to
me
the
system
is
only
as
useful
as
the
participants
in
it
and
if
you
have
hamilton
and
davidson
which
are
you
know,
those
are
pretty
large
caseload
systems
if
they're
separate
and
apart,
then
we're
still
not
going
to
be
able
to
access
data
and
do
some
things
that,
hopefully,
the
pro
case
system
is
going
to
allow.
So
my
question
is:
are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
additional
costs
down
the
road
because
those
systems
are
not
included
now.
I
G
And
chairman,
if
I
may
expand
that
just
a
little
bit
to
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts,
public
defenders
conference,
our
clerks,
we
don't
have
a
unified
clerk's
system
in
this
state
and
I
you're
all
over
an
issue
that
I
have
struggled
with
to
try
to
find
an
answer.
And
I
know
others
have
as
well.
For
years
all
of
our
clerks
are
locally
elected
and
they
do
a
fantastic
job
and
they're,
primarily
county
funded.
G
We've
offered
to
kind
of
pick
up
some
of
those
expenses
over
the
years,
but
there
has
been
some
hesitation
on
entering
the
data
from
the
clerk's
system
because
they're
paying
their
staff
through
the
county
to
enter
data
and
enter
data
into
a
state
system,
but
it
makes
it
very
frustrating
to
not
have
those
numbers.
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
chime
in.
I
know
that
you
all
may
not
be
able
to
necessarily
provide
all
that
information,
but
maybe,
through
the
district
attorney's
conference,
the
public
defenders
conference
and
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts.
G
Hopefully
we
can
get
some
sort
of
an
idea
of.
While
I
understand
there
would
be
a
significant
push-up
back
for
a
unified
court
system,
but
some
sort
of
data
repository
that
we've
talked
about
for
years,
so
that
we
could
literally
just
pull
this
data
y'all
done
a
great
job
of
pulling
this
data
from
your
own
systems,
but
it
goes
way
beyond
just
the
da's
conference.
I
mean
I'd
like
to
know.
G
I
mean
exactly
what's
going
on
in
the
court
system
on
convictions
on
certain
number
of
cases,
on
how
many
charges
are
out
there
and
potentially
even
bringing
the
tbi
into
that
conversation
as
well
it
just.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
that
just
bring
up
if
we
could
potentially
get
some
of
those
different
groups
working
together.
G
I'd
like
a
very
holistic
look
at
kind
of
what
that
data
system
would
look
like
if
we
were
to
invest
the
money-
and
I'm
not
saying
at
this
point
we
would,
but
I
think
it
goes
way
beyond
just
what
what
the
district
attorneys
have
but
kind
of
all
of
those
systems,
because
we
don't
have
that
right.
Now.
A
A
D
D
D
I
There
was
a
potential
if
that
continued
to
actually
fund
some
assistant
da's
or
in,
but
it's
tied
to
districts.
We're
not
going
to
take
these
function,
funds
that
are
generated
in
one
district
and
expend
them
somewhere
else,
so
it
took
a
while
to
get
a
balance
of
the
kind
you
mentioned
when
it
was
ended.
I
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
really
appreciate
your
testimony
and
you've.
You
hit
on
my
question
quite
a
bit
with
the
comparison
from
states
and
case
loads,
etc.
But
it
looks
like
there's
38,
full-time
positions
that
are
included
in
your
proposed
budget
and
there's
49
vacant
positions
and
we're.
I
guess
we're
curious.
Why
we're
creating
new
positions
while
we
still
have
some
vacant
positions
open,
so
we're
kind
of
wondering
the
the
correlation
between
those
two.
H
I
I
So
if
you
subtract
that,
then
you
know
37
8,
some
of
those
are
going
to
be
child
support
positions.
I
think
there
were
nine
or
ten
vacancies
within
child
support,
and
that
shows
up
in
in
the
information
I'm
sure,
but
you
know
that's
really
separate
from
the
criminal
aspect
and
not
all
da's.
Do
child
support
function,
certainly
in
the
big
cities.
It's
it's
done
privately.
I
It's
that
operation
is
as
big
as
the
criminal
side.
The
child
support
function,
but
those
are
all
I'm
certain-
all
caseworkers,
very
low
paid,
that
sort
of
thing
for
the
for
that,
so
that
subtracts,
probably
another
eight
or
nine
or
ten,
maybe
even
when
we're
getting
down
to
the
high
20s,
or
so
I
think
when
you
subtract
those
out,
I'm
aware
of
about
10
that
have
been
filled
in
the
last
month
and
that's
that's
information
that
we
have
where
the
d.a
said.
What
does
this
person
qualify
for?
I
I
I
He
lost
two
assistant
da's.
In
the
last
months,
one
went
to
another
state
agency
department
of
agriculture
needed
a
lawyer,
one
I
think,
went
to
private
practice
and
that's
the
first
time
he's
had
people
leave
that
really
didn't
retire.
In
a
long
time
he
had
looked
to
find
someone.
It
took
him
a
while
to
find
the
right
person
that
wants
to
do
this
that
work,
so
he
wasn't
open
that
long,
but
that's
emblematic
of
you've
got
to
search
for
the
right
person
to
fit
in
those
spots.
I
A
If
you
would,
because
our
information
shows,
you
know,
38
vacant
positions,
and
it
shows
you
know
that
you're
asking
for
I
mean
38
full
time
where
you
have
the
49
vacant
positions
and
as
representative
garrett
said,
I
recognize
those
are
not
apples
and
oranges,
but
if
you
could
also
give
us
a
little
bit
more
information
on
what
those
38
positions,
how
many
of
them
are
adas?
How
many
of
them
are
support,
just
what
those
positions
might
be.
L
L
I
No
positions
have
been
failed:
okay,
because
until
we
have
a
district
attorney
elected
no
one,
you
know
that
would
be
the
person
who'd
make
the
choices
on
the
assistant
da's
and
I
think
three
secretaries
district
wide,
a
criminal
investigator
or
two
and
a
victim
witness
person
or
two.
So
until
we
get
a
lot
closer
to
the
election,
and
maybe
maybe
there's
no
contested
election
qualifying
comes
and
goes
we'll
be
working
with
with
with
someone.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
think
that
gives
some
clarification
to
why
the
numbers
and
our
roles
are
not
quite
matching
up
to.
You
know
us
being
account
based
and
looking
at
spreadsheets
it's
it's
thank
you
for
clarifying
and
explaining
the
practical
application
to
that.
Thank
you
and
I'd
also
just
like
to
say.
We
appreciate
the
great
job
you
all
are
doing.
Y'all's
roles
and
the
amount
of
case
load
is
just
overwhelming
and
I
just
hope,
going
forward.
We've
put
a
lot
of
resources
into
expungement
and
cleaning
up
kind
of
records
for
criminals.
L
M
M
When
you
compare
with
other
states
what
tools,
though
they
have,
that
you
may
not
have,
that,
could
help
you
to
reduce
those
case
loads
or
move
them
out
faster.
If
that,
if
that's
a
proper
statement,
and
the
second
part
of
my
question
is
what
partnership
do
you
have
with
defense
in
terms
of
educating
our
people
on
their
rights
in
terms
of
diversion
and
that
type
stuff?
When
cases
appear-
and
I
I
if
you
understand
again,
I'm
very
limited
in
what
I
know,
but
if
I'm
making
any
sense
could
y'all
talk
on
that
a
little
bit.
I
We
always
want
to
have
more
tools.
For
years
you
had
two
things:
either
a
hammer
or
you
let
someone
go,
and
I
mean
just
please
don't
do
this
again:
there's
no
middle
ground
here,
treatment
and
all
the
things
that
we've
looking
for
alternatives.
We
do
want
to
have
more
and
more
alternatives.
At
least
that's
what
I
think
the
mood
is
try
to
find
some
alternatives
to
incarceration.
I
So
I
think
we're
pushing
on
to
that
as
as
much
as
we
can
taking
the
direction
from
the
general
assembly
the
governor,
but
I
don't
know
that
any
other
state's
gonna
to
have
more
tools
to
move
things
through
any
any
quicker.
It
takes
more
time
and
resources
to
have
the
specialty
courts
that
deal
with
problems
that
treat
people.
Alternatively,
if
we
just
you
know
indictment
trial,
conviction,
sentencing,
that's
one,
two,
three,
four
five
steps:
the
other
is
several
several
steps
determining
who's
eligible
for
the
alternatives
and
so
forth.
J
And
sometimes
that
can
be
a
struggle.
And
I
think
we've
spoken
about
that
before
in
in
tennessee.
Sometimes
you
will
pull
a
criminal
history
and
maybe
only
60
of
it
is
completed
and
there
may
be
an
arrest.
But
you
don't
know
what
the
resolution
of
that
case
is,
and
that
can
that
can
have
an
impact
on
being
able
to
understand.
At
that
exact
moment,
whether
or
not
someone
is
eligible
for
diversion.
M
In
in
addition
to
what
you
just
said
about
not
knowing
the
whole
case,
does
that
have
anything
to
do
with
the
system
you
use,
for
instance,
if
if
johnny
shaw
commit
a
crime
in
nashville
and
then
go
to
boller
and
commit
a
crime.
What
would
you
know
in
correlation
with
the
with
those
two
crimes
about
that
person?.
J
I
would
say
that
sometimes
it's
difficult
because
it
since
we
do
not
have
a
unified
court
system,
you
may
not
know
what
is
happening
in
one
jurisdiction
versus
the
other.
Unless
that
information
is
being
reported
to
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
and
then
to
you,
know,
department
of
correction
and
then
to
tbi,
so
it
we
have
to
rely
on
that.
Everyone
is
going
through
the
proper
steps
to
be
able
to
do
that.
F
J
J
So
when
you
look
at
comparisons
for
homicide
rates
per
100,
000
residents,
ours
is
a
lot
higher
than
states
like
florida
and
then
the
other
issue
I
would
say,
is
that
we
are
having
you
know.
Luckily
we're
having
a
lot
of
people
who
want
to
move
to
tennessee,
and
so
we
are
experiencing,
especially
in
suburban
areas,
a
lot
of
growth.
F
J
A
A
J
L
L
N
Yes,
let
me
ask,
as
you
know,
america,
we
incarcerate
more
more
folks
in
china,
kind
of
alarming
right
there
to
see
that
my
county's
been
in
the
media
a
lot.
You
know
we
had
the
pcc
lawsuit,
they
were
charged
14.,
they
paid
out
14.3
million
dollars
being
charged
with
extortion,
but
those
are
tax
dollars
that
could
be
used
for
vocational
school,
for
teachers,
for
substitute
teachers,
pay
for
nurses
in
our
school
system,
mental
health.
N
I
I
N
We've
got
a
new
greenhouse
ministries
that
built
a
nice
1.2
million
to
that
has
beds
that
they
can
help.
Men
of
hope
is
another
example,
but
it
just
frustrates
me-
and
I
know
it
frustrates
the
70
000
people
that
I
represent
when
they
are
fixing
to
pay
their
proper,
paying
their
property
taxes.
Now
it
doesn't
seem
like
we're
doing
a
great
job
of
managing
those
those
resources.
I
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
I'm
not
sure
the
role,
the
district
attorney
in
that
particular.
I
just
don't
know
about
this
matter,
but
again,
I
think
the
alternatives
and
the
governor
suggested
that
we
pursue
alternatives.
We
were
already
pursuing
alternatives
of
specialty
courts
that
we
listed
early
on
those
things
have
been
innovations
of
the
district
attorneys.
I
mean
the
drug
courts
and
and
the
human
trafficking
courts
veterans
courts.
I
A
A
I'm
sorry
I
got
distracted
here,
but
the
information
that
we
have
again
as
late
as
yesterday
showed
those
vacancies
as
we
stated
them.
So
if,
if
there
are
12
of
them
that
are
no
longer
there,
then
the
information
that
you
all
have
provided
to
us
is
that's
what
we're
relying
on.
So,
if
you
could
correct
that,
and
also
let
us
know
what
the
new
information,
the
new
positions
that
you're
requesting
as
I
asked
what
sort
of
roles
those
are,
then
we
would
appreciate
that
now
there
may
have
been
another
follow-up
or
two.
A
A
A
O
O
O
So
all
of
our
budget
or
most
of
our
budget
has
to
do
with
people
and
that's
where
we
really
focus
our
budget
requests
is
on
adding
positions
where
we
can
about
really.
Two
years
ago,
we
finally
came
to
the
end
of
a
technology
project
that
we
started
in
2017
to
try
and
collect
data
in
a
unified
way
for
all
of
our
public
defenders
offices
and
that
led
us
to
be
able
to
really
engage
in
something
that
we
haven't
had
in
tennessee
since
2007..
O
You
know
the
comptroller
is
mandated
to
do
a
weighted
caseload
study
for
the
public
defenders
and
the
district
attorneys,
but
they
haven't
been
able
to
do
that
since
2007,
because
there
were
no
funds
allocated
for
them
to
do
it.
I
can't
do
everything
they
can
do
with
the
comptrollers,
but
our
new
data
system
that
is
unified
except
for
memphis
memphis,
has
their
own
system
did.
O
Allow
me
to
really
do
the
math
that
the
comptroller
used
to
do,
and
so
I
was
able
to
present
to
f
a
in
the
governor's
office,
our
needs
and
it's
based
on
a
study
that
was
started
in
the
90s,
a
weighted
caseload
study.
So
rather
than
looking
at
raw
numbers
of
cases,
we
can,
you
know,
distinguish
between,
for
example,
a
murder
and
a
driver's
license
case.
O
O
In
addition
to
that,
the
governor's
budget
included
seven
new
attorneys
positions,
money
for
those
three
legal
secretaries
and
seven
investigators
and
three
social
workers.
We
have
started
a
pilot
project
using
grant
funding
for
social
workers
and
we've
expanded
that
a
little
bit
into
a
few
state
positions
and
the
expansion
listed
there
on
your
slide
that
that's
really
just
positions
that
are
added
to
the
budget,
but
we
absorb
the
cost
internally.
O
So
those
were
also
in
the
governor's
budget
and
then
the
other
two
positions
for
the
new
district
32,
that's
scheduled
to
go
online
in
august.
That
was
mentioned
in
the
last
hearing.
We
don't
know
who
those
people
are.
We
don't
have
money
for
them
yet
until
those
elections
happen
so
we
requested.
I
don't
know
more
than
that.
I
can
talk
about
that
if
you'd
like,
I
don't
know
which
you
would
like
to
be
presented,
but
but
this
is
what's
in
the
governor's
budget
so
far
and
and
we're
thankful
for
that
much.
A
O
That's
about
right,
I
mean
I'm
has
the
the
math
is
close
and
I
just
want
to
qualify
when
the
89
positions
were
using
a
formula
that's
from
1999
before
they
were
body
cameras,
I'm
just
looking
for
data.
I
wanted
to
present
the
administration
with
something
with
some.
How
do
we
quantify
what
we
do
and
all
we
have
to
get
a
caseload
study
done?
Is
the
significant
you
know
takes
data
researchers
to
go
out
into
the
districts,
it's
a
significant
undertaking,
so
I
just
used
what
we
had
and
used
an
old
formula.
A
And
you
may
not
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
if
you
we
just
heard
from
the
previous
group-
and
they
had
a
raw
number
of
you
know-
per
attorney
caseload,
if
you
didn't
try
to
divide
out
the
driver's
license
versus
the
murder,
if
you
just
looked
at
raw
numbers,
do
you
have
any
idea
what
that
case?
Caseload
would
be.
O
About
a
thousand
give
or
take,
but
again
that's
that's,
not
weighted.
I
don't,
like
the
I'm
hesitant
to
use
that
number,
because
I
don't
want
that
to
become
a
thing
we're
doing
more
than
you
know.
There's
a
national
standard.
That's
been
in
place
from
the
federal
government
since
the
70s
and
according
to
that
standard
we
need
about
225
lawyers,
so
I
think
we're
doing
about
a
thousand
cases,
but
that's
including
driver's
licenses
and
homicides
and
that's
ballpark.
I
can
get
you
an
exact
number.
A
O
O
A
little
bit
different
than
the
da's
you
just
heard
from
because
memphis
and
nashville
both
had
public
defenders
offices
when
we
were
created,
they're
still
a
part
of
the
conference
per
statute.
They
vote
on
big
conference
matters,
but
their
money
is
separate,
so
the
money
that
the
state
provides
davidson
and
memphis
really
just
passes
through
me
like
a
block
grant.
O
K
You
thank
you
for
coming
today.
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
you
could
give
me
an
update
in
the
1920
fiscal
year.
I
think
678
000
was
appropriate,
appropriated
for
the
pds
to
establish
an
appellate
division.
That
includes
secretaries
and
another
thing,
just
wondering
if
you
could
give
us
an
update
on
that
new
division
that
you
stood
up,
what
the
process
progress
is
and
are
you?
Are
you
able
to
hire
people
to
do
it?
Could
you
give
us
just
an
update
on
what's
going
on
there.
O
O
Frankly
that
wasn't
the
worst
thing
that
happened
to
our
appellate
division,
because
trials
stopped
for
a
significant
period
of
time,
jury
trial,
so
appeals
were
slow
and
that
allowed
us
to
get
sort
of
up
to
speed
over
time
the
case
load.
There
is
about
almost
exactly
what
we
thought.
It
would
be,
maybe
a
little
down,
but
it's
coming
back
up
as
the
as
the
backlog
in
the
trial
court
starts
to
work
its
way
through.
K
So
obviously
covet
hits
the
courts
are
shut
down.
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
you
how
many
cases
do
you
expect
to
to
utilize
if
everything
ramps
back
up
to
where
it
is
now
how
many
cases
you
know
the
chair,
lady
asked
about
how
many
other
cases
you're
defending,
but
I
wonder
how
many
appellate
cases.
O
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
by
the
way,
mr
chairman,
the
pizza
was
good.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
coming
today,
and
I
really,
although
I
know
you
all,
are
just
the
opposite
from
the
da's
and
what
you
do
and
who
you
represent,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
kind
of
the
question
I
asked
while
ago
with
the
staff
that
you
have,
and
I
know
you're
much
shorter
than
than
the
other
side.
O
O
We
also
used
to
offer
expungement
education
for
communities,
but
we
don't
have
a
formalized
system.
That's
statewide,
individual
community
defenders
engage
in
education
where
they
can.
I
think
the
the
problem.
I
you
know
since
I've
been
here
about
five
years
now,
if
you
ask
any
public
defender,
what's
the
number
one
problem
and
you
and
you
don't
exclude
resources,
they're
all
going
to
say
resources,
so
we've
really
focused
on
adding
positions
to
the
conference
for
about
the
past
few
years,
so
that
our
elected
public
defenders
can
do
more
of
what
you're
talking
about.
M
Chair
representative
shaw,
in
your
opinion,
if,
if
this
is
a
fair
question,
would
it
help
maybe
to
lower
the
crime
rate
if
we
could
do
more
of
an
educational
piece
in
some
cases
some
nature
of
crimes?
I
you
know,
I
find
that
some
people
commit
crimes
because
they
just
don't
know
any
better.
It's
just
counting
their
natures,
what
they
do,
but
if
we
had
some
ongoing
educational
piece
where
we
could
maybe
educate
people
on
certain
things
and
do
you
think
that
would
help
lower
the
some
of
the
crime
rates
that
we
deal
with?
O
A
In
our
earlier
the
previous
presenter,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
vacant
positions
and
requested
positions.
I
have
sort
of
a
similar
question
for
you
guys
we're
showing
that
there
you
have
vacant
positions,
we're
also
showing
that
you're
asking
for
new
positions.
It
can
you
just
talk.
Are
the
the
vacant
positions
we're
showing
that
eight
of
those
are
actually
assistant
public
defenders,
so
has
there
been
a
turnover?
Is
it
like
other
places
that
we've
heard
from
are
your
folks
leaving
for
the
private
sector
and
higher
pay
or
how?
A
O
Sure
so
I
think
our
overall
retention
we
had
a
turnover
rate
of
about
nine
percent.
I
don't
think
that's
what
you're
talking
about
the
we
looked
at
long-term
vacancies
before
we
came
into
this
hearing
and
ever
all,
but
one
there's
one
long-term
vacancy.
I'm
aware
of
that
has
to
do
with
particular
personnel
in
a
particular
district
other
than
that
those
are
all
revenue
funded
positions.
O
You
know
we
have.
There
is
a
statute
that
allows
individual
counties
to
add
a
12.50
costs
to
the
to
their
court
costs.
We've
been
forced
to
use
those
in
the
past
to
fund
positions
during
the
pandemic,
that
revenue
dropped
dramatically
as
courts
stopped
meeting
people
stopped
paying
their
court
costs,
and
so
those
fell
off.
So
all
of
the
vacant
positions,
I'm
aware
of
that
are
long
term
except
one
are
revenue
funded
and
it's
due
to
the
revenue
not
being
there.
A
O
That's
right,
they
are,
but
there's
one
there's
one.
I
know
and
they're
they're
just
looking
for
a
person
to
to
fill
it
and
it's
just
taken
a
while,
based
on
local
circumstances
but
other
than
that.
Those
should
all
be
revenue,
funded
positions
other
than
the
normal.
I
don't
know
what
exactly
you're
looking
at.
You
may
see
like
a
snapshot
of
all
vacant
positions
and
there
may
be
you
know:
nine
percent
turnover
for
500
or
400
lawyers.
That's
going
to
be.
F
M
N
Real
quick
going
back
to
chairman
wendell's
question
you
mentioned
increase
in
counselors
social
workers.
Could,
if
you
had
additional
staff,
could
it
help
address
what
he's
saying
going
back
to
the
aces
childhood
trauma,
some
of
those
other
areas
and
and
maybe
help
leverage
some
of
these
non-profits
faith-based
groups
when
it
comes
to
mental
health
and
addiction.
N
N
It
that's
positive,
you
know
my
former
police
chief
see
she
passed
last
last
year
I
was
able
to
preach
her
funeral.
She
was
kind
of
a
mentor
of
mine,
sally
walls,
and
I
used
to
hear
her
advocate
for
that.
As
a
law
enforcement
officer
man
15
years
ago.
You
know
she
was
very
outside
the
box
kind
of
before
time
she
was
literally
the
first
female
chief
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
N
I
watched
her
as
a
little
10
year
old
practice
for
going
through
the
law
enforcement
academy,
when
women
just
didn't
do
those
things,
but
last
year
we
had
a
or
two
years
ago
we
had
an
opioid
town
hall
that
my
sister
and
I
put
together.
We
had
about
110
people,
attendance
judges,
law
enforcement,
tennessee,
mental
health
substance
abuse,
my
late,
both
school
superintendents
were
there
my
late
school
superintendent.
I've
shared
this.
I
was
asking
her.
Is
there
a
silver
bullet?
Is
there
one
thing
that
we
could
do
chairman?
N
Is
there
one
thing
we
could
do
and
she
said
here's
what
she
said.
She
said
the
behaviors
of
these
six
and
nine-year-olds
are
like
nothing
she's
ever
seen
before
she
said.
They're,
disorderly
disruptive
and
aggressive,
while
bringing
all
these
resources
to
play,
there's
no
place
for
these
children
to
go
to
be
assessed
and
she
complimented
the
department
of
education
for
for
trying
to
address
the
whole
child
that
goes
back
to
aces
and
childhood
trauma,
but
but
she
was
talking
about
the
behaviors,
and
this
was
two
years
ago:
six:
nine
year
olds.
N
F
Get
mad
cheerleader.
Actually
the
statement
is
more
toward
us
or
a
question
for
you
and
and
as
you've
stated
under
social
workers
positions
and
you're
looking
at
three
but
but
you've
just
said
to
us
how
successful
that
can
be
the
social
workers
and
and
madam
chair,
I'm
I'm
just
looking
at
that
number
and
saying:
is
it?
Would
it
be
our
responsibility
as
a
budget
committee,
to
look
at
that
to
listen
to
exactly
what
has
been
said,
the
successful
we?
If
we
had
more,
we
could
do
more.
F
O
O
The
harvard
law,
school
access
to
justice
lab
actually
came
down
here
a
few
years
ago
and
did
something
that
they've
never
done,
which
is
they're,
studying
it
with
a
double-blind
study.
So
we
had
clients,
screened,
half
went
into
social
work,
half
didn't
and
they're
now
in
the
midst
of
evaluating
the
outcome.
So
I
hope
by
this
time
next
year,
or
maybe
the
next
I'll,
have
great
research
to
show
you
exactly
whether
it
works
or
not,
and
I'm
interested
in
seeing
the
outcomes
anecdotally,
I
can
tell
you
it
works
that
there
are
people.
O
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
you
know
are
involved
in
very
serious
crimes,
but
there's
also
a
large
population
that
comes
in
and
out
and
are
arrested
for
very
low
level
crimes,
some
they're
guilty
of,
and
sometimes
those
people
when
connected
with
the
right
resources
they
can
stop
coming
back
as
often
anecdotally.
I
can
tell
you
that
true,
I
hope
to
have
stats
soon,
to
show
you
if
that's
true.
K
I
answer
to
all
your
titles
chair,
lady
representative
miller,
based
upon
your
question
before
that's
what
the
appropriations
amendment
process
is.
That's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
have
this
hearing
process
if
there's
something
that
a
member
finds
that
they
feel
like
it's
important
enough
for
them
to
champion
on
behalf
of
the
department.
That'd
be
the
place
to
do
it,
and
so
I'd
encourage
you
to
do
that.
If
it's
something
that
you'd
want
to
do,
but
thank
you.
A
And
again,
I
think
we
would
all
be
interested
in
the
results
of
the
study,
hopefully
when
you're
here
next
year,
and
while
we,
you
know,
as
you
say,
anecdotally-
and
you
know-
maybe
just
we
think
with
common
sense.
If
you
had
that
sort
of
support,
it
would
improve,
but
it'll
be
really
interesting
to
see
what
a
a
research
study
a
bona
fide
research
study
using
double
blind
processes
you
have
outlined.
If
that
proves
to
be
the
point
and
then
at
what
cost?
A
A
A
P
It
is
duly
noted
that
director
tate
would
typically
do
these
hearings
alone
and
it
takes
three
people
to
replace
her.
So
it's
not
lost
on
me
that
it's
requiring
three
people
to
present
today.
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
instructions
from
the
committee
and
I'm
not
sure
I
hit
the
mark
with
my
presentation,
slides
so
chair,
lady
hazelwood.
If
you
want
to
stop
me
at
any
point,
feel
free
to
do
that.
I
am
joined
today.
P
First
of
all,
I
didn't
introduce
myself,
I'm
michelle
long,
the
13
days
into
the
job
director
for
the
aoc,
I'm
joined
by
michelle
consiglio
young,
who
many
of
you
already
know
she
is
our
director
and
counsel
for
the
division
of
intergovernmental
affairs
and
dalton
hensley.
Who
is
our
director
for
fiscal
services?
P
We're
all
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
Let
me
start
by
sharing
exciting
news
that
you
of
course,
are
aware-
and
I
heard
general
slatery
say
that
he
lost
a
very
valuable
member
of
his
team.
His
loss
is
the
court's
gain.
We
welcomed
newly
confirmed
tennessee
supreme
court
justice.
Sarah
k,
campbell
and
elevated
one
of
our
own
judge,
john
campbell
to
the
tennessee
court
of
criminal
appeals,
so
we're
always
excited
for
those
changes.
Of
course,
my
being
here
is
another
change
for
the
aoc
next
slide.
P
So,
as
you
know,
the
aoc
provides
support
to
the
tennessee
supreme
court
and
the
entire
court
system.
The
governor's
recommended
budget
for
the
court
system
is
a
total
of
176
million
nine
hundred
forty
eight
thousand
two
hundred
dollars,
which
represents
less
than
half
of
one
percent
of
the
entire
state
budget.
P
P
Many
of
those
task
force
recommendations
have
been
implemented
over
the
years.
We
implemented
an
increase
in
compensation
rates.
We
eliminated
the
difference
in
rates
between
in
court
and
out
of
court
time.
We
also
also
was
established,
as
the
previous
presenter
mentioned,
the
public
defenders
appellate
office.
P
Our
request
is
a
total
of
five
million
seven
hundred
eighty
eight
thousand
five
hundred
dollars,
which
includes
the
remaining
three
million.
I
know
this
is
a
lot
of
numbers,
I'm
so
sorry,
but
the
remaining
three
million
nine
hundred
sixty
two
thousand
three
hundred
dollars
to
complete
the
task
force
recommendation
included
in
our
request
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
A
little
later
is
additional
funding
to
support
a
relatively
recent
change
to
the
tennessee
supreme
court
rule
13,
which
governs
the
appointment
of
legal
counsel
on
the
operations
of
the
fund.
P
Now
I
know
director
tate
has
been
before
you
before
and
on
numerous
occasions
has
talked
to
you
about
projections
of
need
in
this
fund.
We
don't
disagree
that
the
need
is
ever
increasing.
However,
because
of
the
disruptions
of
covet,
we
find
it
very
difficult
at
this
time
to
project
what
the
need
will
be.
P
P
P
Pardon
me
that
portion
of
the
fund
that
allows
for
reimbursement
for
experts
and
investigators
to
include
juvenile
cases
where
juveniles
are
charged
with
a
serious
matter,
and
it
requires
transfer
of
that
case
to
an
adult
court.
So,
with
the
rule
change
now,
there
will
be
permission
to
hire
experts
like
psychological
evaluations
and
such
in
those
cases.
P
So,
as
you
know,
if
we're
watching
the
headlines
and
news
stories
are,
if
those
are
any
indication,
the
rise
in
serious
juvenile
crimes
may
result
in
an
ever-growing
need
in
this
area,
which,
which
will
be
an
added
pressure
on
the
fund.
So
again,
we
will
be
monitoring
that
and
report
back
to
you
next
on
the
list
of
priorities
is
a
request
for
five
new
judges:
five
new
trial
judges.
P
The
request
is
based
on
the
comptroller's
weighted
caseload
study,
which
showed
that
the
districts
that
demonstrated
the
highest
judicial
need,
based
on
the
average
judicial
demand
for
the
past
three
fiscal
years,
that
the
report
was
done
were
judicial
districts,
13,
19,
22
and
23.,
and
I
think
you
heard
in
a
previous
discussion.
The
growth
in
the
19th
is
significant
and
you'll
note
that
the
request
is
for
two
trial:
judges
in
the
19th
judicial
district
in
all
of
the
other
judicial
districts
listed
there.
It's
a
single
request
for
one
judge.
P
So
the
next
request
was
for
three
new
staff
positions
for
the
aoc.
One
is
a
grant
writer
and
I'm
going
to
try
and
move
a
little
more
quickly
through
these
one
is
a
grant
writer.
We
simply
need
the
ability.
Those
skill
sets
that
help
us
go
after
and
implement
resources
find
funding
resources
that
help
with
our
reliance
on
the
general
fund,
hoping
to
proportionately,
reduce
state
dollars.
P
A
data
architect,
we've
heard
many
presenters
so
far
talk
about
the
need
to
reduce
the
silos
and
provide
more
unified
ways
of
reporting
data.
We
have
a
patchwork
system,
no
doubt
and
a
data
architect
is
that
type
of
person
and
I'm
now
outside
my
professional
ability.
But
my
understanding
is
that's
the
person
that
can
help
you
take
an
existing
system
in
our
patchwork
and
figure
out
how
to
map
it
or
interface
it
with
other
systems.
P
The
last
is
a
request
for
it's
a
authority-only
request
to
establish
a
full-time
attorney
position.
We
have
the
funding
for
that
position.
We
actually
employ
the
person
as
a
part-time
attorney.
Now
we
simply
want
to
bring
her
on
full-time
another
strategic,
long-term
investment
would
be
that
saves
money
and
keeps
people
out
of
jail
and
is
consistent
with
the
governor's
criminal
criminal
justice
reform
is
a
texting,
defendant's
pilot.
We
began
this
before
covet
hit.
It
was
originally
funded
as
a
pilot
by
the
office
of
criminal
justice
programs.
P
The
the
intent
is
to
reduce
failures
to
appear
by
texting
defendants
in
advance
of
their
hearings,
seven
days
before
hearing
and
one
day
before,
a
hearing.
What
we
know
is
that
from
national
studies
that
texting
court
dates
to
defendants
reduces
the
number
of
no-shows,
which
then
reduces
the
number
of
violations
and
therefore
reduces
jail
time
and
other
expenses
to
the
system.
P
P
Next
is
a
request
for
funds
to
allow
us
to
stay
in
our
current
location,
so
the
aoc
is
housed
in
private
lease
property
in
downtown
nashville.
For
many
many
years.
There's
been
discussion
about
moving
us
out
of
that
space
and
into
the
old
librarian
archives
building,
now
that
it's
vacant,
we're
hopeful
that
those
discussions
will
begin
again
and
at
some
point
we'll
be
able
to
move,
but
right
now
on
june
30th,
our
lease
expires,
and
we
already
know
that
they
are
going
to
increase
our
rent.
P
So
again,
we
appreciate
the
governor's
recognition
of
the
need
and
the
inclusion
in
his
recommended
budget
and
then
next
on.
The
list
is
we're
asking
for
support
for
an
increase
in
the
salaries
of
trial
judges,
judicial
assistants,
our
trial
judges
recognized
a
need
in
2019,
as
an
entire
conference
of
trial
court
judges
and
approved
a
request
of
a
30
increase
for
their
judicial
assistance
salaries
to
be
implemented
in
10
increments.
Over
a
three
year
period,
we
employ
145
judicial
assistants
across
31
judicial
districts.
P
These
are
the
folks
who
support
your
judges
by
organizing
and
managing
court
dockets
for
daily
setting
scheduling
and
other
types
of
hearings,
editing
drafts
of
orders
and
any
number
of
administrative
matters.
They
are
invaluable
to
the
efficient
administration
of
justice.
Just
ask
any
judge
backing
your
district.
P
P
A
H
Thank
you
director,
long
welcome
to
your
new
position,
we're
happy
to
have
you.
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
and
this
goes
back
a
little
bit
in
time.
In
fiscal
year,
1617
the
division
received
recurring
funding
of
1.7
million
dollars
to
the
aoc
for
the
creation
of
a
data
repository
that
would
collect
general
sessions
caseload
data.
Can
you
give
us
an
update
on
what
the
statuses
of
that
that
repository
and
will
the
general
sessions
court
data
be
deposited?
P
I
hear
words
like
interfacing
and
mapping
and
those
words
that
are
not
my
words.
I'm
a
lawyer,
I'm
not
an
I.t
professional,
but
that
is
where
we
are
in
that
process.
So
for
it's,
not
the
majority
of
the
data,
because,
of
course
the
larger
areas
have
the
majority
of
the
data,
but
our
86
tenses
counties
counties
are
live
with
the
general
sessions
data
repository
and
approximately.
H
A
P
L
A
So,
while
my
friends
in
oak
ridge
might
take
issue
with
this,
but
so
anderson
carter,
monroe
and
marion
and
henderson
counties
are,
are
some
of
our
more
rural
counties?
Is
there
a
reason
that
they
are
not
participating
as
the
other
86?
Are?
I
mean
the
urban
counties?
I
know
they
have
their
own
systems
and
they're
those
kinds
of
barriers,
but
for
the
those
smaller
ones,
and
are
there
plans
to
bring
them
on
board.
L
Thank
you
happy
to
be
here
as
well
in
answering
the
question.
They
are
part
of
our
phase,
two
of
the
general
sessions
data
repository
project
and
currently
they
they
are
in
the
database
design
process
which
takes
approximately
two
weeks,
but
we
are
in
the
I
guess,
process
of
bringing
those
counties
on
board.
They
are
part
of
phase
two.
L
A
We
all
recognize
that,
but
you
know
I
certainly
think
that's
a
goal
that
we
would
like
to
see
us
move
forward
because
there's
so
much
information
out
there
caseload
all
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
here
today,
that
you
really
can't
get
an
accurate
handle
on
because
of
that
lack
of
centralized
reporting,
so
anything
that
you
all
can
do
to
push
that
ball
down
the
field.
We
very
much
appreciate
it.
Representative,
shaw,
you're.
Next
on
my
list.
M
M
P
M
P
P
B
P
M
P
H
H
P
So
our
request
is
really
just
to
fund
the
remaining
amount
of
money
required
from
the
are
recommended
in
the
task
fund.
Our
task
force
report.
We
know
that
there
is
growth
in
the
child
welfare
side.
We
know
that
the
rule
change
by
the
court
will
fiscally
impact
the
fund,
but
to
actually
project
for
you.
What
the
trend
line
is
because
of
the
disruption
in
the
courts.
That's
very
difficult
right
now,.
H
I
understand
one
of
the
best
educations
I
had.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
serve
several
years
as
foreman
of
our
county
grand
jury
and
in
real
life.
I
realize
then
our
entire
judicial
system
needs
help
all
across
both
sides:
the
prosecution
and
the
defense
and
the
court
system
and
the
judges
and
again,
thank
you
very
much.
P
K
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Long
appreciate
you
being
here.
I
appreciate
you
coming
by
earlier
the
office
and
meeting
with
me
in
person
about
your
new
role
and
how
exciting
that
is,
but
I
did
want
to
follow
up
on
something,
as
relates
to
the
board
of
judicial
conduct.
I
I
know
that
the
board
was
re-uh
reset.
K
B
Yes,
dalton
hensley
a
festival
director.
Yes,
so
the
board
received
the
additional
292
thousand
dollars
recurring
to
fund
the
three
staff
positions
of
the
board
to
bring
them
on
as
state
employees.
Formerly
they
were
contract
employees
and
given
the
nature
of
their
work
and
confidentiality,
we
needed
them
to
come
under
the
the
guys
of
the
state.
K
A
policy
set
in
place
that
if
certain
thresholds
are
met,
that
there
would
be
certain
actions
that
the
board
would
take
as
it
relates
to
conduct,
or
is
it
more
esoteric
based
upon
how
they
feel
at
the
time
you
know
we
we
make
laws.
We
people,
unfortunately
break
those
laws,
but
we
know
if
you
do
x,
there's
a
penalty
of
why.
I
guess
the
question
is:
are
there
any
parameters
for
that
board.
P
So
because
the
board
is
only
administratively
attached
to
the
aoc,
I
would
have
to
defer
to
judge
d
gay.
I'm
happy
to
ask
that
question
on
your
behalf
and
provide
an
answer
as
to
how
they
go
about
determining
if
there
are
thresholds
of
conduct
or
if
it's
a
holistic
review
each
and
every
time.
But
I'm
happy
to
provide
that
answer.
K
Thank
you.
I
understand
he's
doing
a
fantastic
job,
glad
that
he's
there.
I
think
he
actually
resides
in
leader,
lambert's
district,
so
but
anyways.
I
understand
that
I
just
as
an
outsider,
looking
in
sometimes
I'm
surprised
at
what
is
the
result
of
that
committee
or
board,
and
so
maybe
a
discussion
would
be
great
if
you
could
make
an
introduction.
That
would
be
fantastic.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
P
Is
primarily
empty,
we
did,
I
think
the
board
of
judicial
conduct
has
been
allowed
to
be
housed
in
that
building,
but
I
think
those
are
the
only
people.
Those
are
the
only
people
in
the
building.
Currently
right
and
general
services
was
kind
enough
to
help
us
renovate
and
accommodate
the
board
of
judicial
conduct.
A
P
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady,
and
bear
with
me
a
moment
normally
what
I
try
to
do
to
go
to
your
website
as
we're.
Looking
at
the
dashboard
and
as
I
read,
the
responsibility
of
the
energy
defense
fund
is
to
provide
legal
services
for
persons
who
are
constitutionally
entitled
to
legal
counsels
who
are
found
to
be
injured
by
the
courts
and
unable
to
pay
legal
fees
and
the
administrative
officers
of
the
courts
etc.
F
F
P
F
A
Representative
miller,
that's
the
same
process
that
I
believe
each
department
goes
through.
The
aoc
is
not
different
in
that
regard.
It's
the
same.
The
department
does
a
proposed
budget,
and
then
the
governor's
staff
looks
holistically
at
the
budget
and
determines
what
can
be
what
they
feel
can
they
can
afford
to
fund
at
any
given
time.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
I
just
wanted
to-
I
guess-
bring
to
the
attention
of
this
committee
that
trend
and
there
is
a
trend
and
of
course
it
happened
before
you
all
got
here,
but
I
certainly
would
like
to
know
an
answer
from
the
administration
why
you
continue
to
deny
the
requests
of
this
particular
fund
and
and
unless
madam
chair,
anybody
on
this
committee
have
an
answer
to
that.
I
would
certainly
hope
that
we
can
get
an
answer
from
the
administration.
Madam
chair
and
thank
you.
G
Taking
them
chairman-
and
I
will
say,
significant
funds
have
been
added
into
that
fund
over
the
years,
especially
since
the
task
force
met,
and
I
know
it's
been
referenced
several
times.
I
served
on
that
task
force.
The
work
still
continues,
but
we've
added
to
my
memory.
I
mean
literally
millions
into
these
funds,
and
so
the
rates
have
gone
up.
The
rates
for
attorneys
the
way
attorneys
are
paid
and
we've
changed
just
about
every
year.
Since
the
task
force
report
came
out,
I
mean
obviously
due
to
the
pandemic.
G
There
have
been
pauses
in
that,
but
it
has
been
every
single
year.
There
have
been
additions
and
changes
in
strengthening
this
obviously,
and
director
you've
done
a
great
job
of
laying
out
why
there
is
still
more
yet
to
do.
But
I
think
that
task
force
did
good
work
and
there
has
been
improvement
and
continues
to
be
improvement
in
it.
A
And,
as
we
all
know,
there's
never
enough
money
to
fund
every
request,
not
even
when
it's
raining
money
as
it
is
these
days,
because
it
seems,
requests
just
get
larger
as
well.
Representative,
ogles
and
we're
going
to
this
is
going
to
be
our
last
question.
There's
weather
issues
and
we're
going
to
try
and
get
folks
out
of
here.
L
P
And
just
to
add,
I'm
sorry,
but
just
to
add
there
I
did
say,
and
I
know
it
was
in
a
list
of
numbers,
but
I
did
say
that
the
indigency
fund
over
the
years
from
the
task
force
report
has
been
appropriated
about
16
million
337
thousand
dollars.
So
we're
just
asking
for
the
balance
of
that.
At
this
point.
L
P
A
All
right,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I
see
no
further
questions
on
my
list.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
attention,
your
participation
today
I
thank
director
long
and
your
team
for
and,
as
duly
noted,
we
will
I'm
sure
that
director
tate
will
watch
these
proceedings
at
some
time
and
we
will
note
that
it
did
take
three
of
you
to
replace
are
actually
four
actually
four.
That's.
P
A
But
for
someone
who's
been
on
the
job
for
is
it
nine
days?
Thirteen
thirteen
and
counting
then
well
gosh,
two
weeks
into
it?
You've
got
it
not,
but
we
do
appreciate
the
time
and
the
effort
that
you
put
into
the
presentation
and
the
answers
to
the
questions
that
we
ask
committee.
We
will
be
not
here
on
monday
no
budget
hearings
on
monday.
I
know
the
tears
are
falling,
but
you'll
just
just
have
to
make
do
we
will
again
refer
to
your
new
schedule.