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House Budget Hearings- March 14, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Good
morning,
happy
monday
to
everybody,
thanks
for
being
here,
I'd
like
to
call
the
finance
ways
and
means
committee
to
order
for
march
14
2022..
Madam
clark,
would
you
please
call
the
roe
representatives.
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B
Seeing
none
we
have
several
budget
hearings
scheduled
today,
so
first
up
will
be
the
department
of
tourist
development
members.
Your
dashboard
has
all
the
slides
as
well
as,
if
you're
not
able
to
see
them
on
the
screen,
and
we
will
go
out
of
the
session
and
we'll
ask
commissioner
ezell
to
come
forward.
B
Commissioner
rezael
thank
you
for
being
here
bright
and
early
on
a
monday
morning,
and
I
know
you're
going
to
tell
us
about
all
the
good
things
that
are
happening
that
are
bringing
10
people
to
tennessee
and
all
of
that
tourist
money
that
is
going
to
in
our
into
our
coffers,
which
we
appreciate
very
much
so
without
further
ado.
If
you
want
to
just
get
started
with
your
presentation,
that'll
be
great.
D
Thank
you
and
good
morning,
madam
chair
lady
hazelwood,
vice
chair
bomb
members
of
the
house,
finance
ways
and
means
committee.
I'm
mark
uzil,
I'm,
commissioner
of
tourist
development
for
tennessee,
I'm
here,
along
with
assistant
commissioners,
brian
wagner,
melanie
beacham,
pete,
rosenberg
and
kevin
mahoney,
and
in
keeping
with
your
request
we
will.
We
will
keep
this
to
five
minutes
and
then
try
to
provide
plenty
of
time
for
questions.
D
So,
as
you
know,
tourism
is
critical
for
both
the
communities
that
we
serve
and
for
creating
visitor
spending
which
creates
business
revenue,
then
jobs
and
then,
at
the
end,
that
tax
revenue.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
are
requesting
5.5
million
dollars
in
recurring
funds
to
support
our
domestic
and
international
marketing
efforts
and
then,
in
addition,
we
are
seeking
25
million
for
a
special
event
fund,
pri
pilot
project.
That
will
be
a
program
that
incentivizes
and
attracts
and
maintains
high
profile
events
you'll
see
here
our
proposed
reduction
plan
and
then
tourism.
D
I
want
to
talk
for
just
a
couple
of
minutes.
Tourism
is
our
second
leading
industry.
As
you
know,
and
you'll
remember
that
in
2019
we
were
setting
all
kinds
of
records
completing
a
decade
of
record
growth
with
literally
record
growth,
both
domestically
and
internationally,
and
then
covet
happened
to
our
industry,
devastated
that
industry
more
than
any
industry
financially
in
tennessee.
D
D
D
But
back
then
we
lost
303
million
dollars
in
state
revenues
for
those
10
months
from
those
areas,
particularly
in
those
two
largest
communities
of
davidson
and
shelby,
which
were
over
200
million.
So
our
job
was,
we
came
to
you,
you
granted
us
a
record
budget.
You
allowed
us
to
do
some
things
with
federal
with
federal
money
with
the
cares
act,
and
we
said
we
want
to
help
restore
visitation
that
drives
those
jobs
backs
for
those
communities
and
brings
taxes
in
so
I'm
ahead.
D
You
know
we
got
to
let
out
of
state
travelers
know
that
tennessee
was
open
for
business
to
do
so
safely,
and
so
the
people
came.
So
we
got
our
music
back
now
playing.
So
here's
the
not
just
good
news,
but
great
news.
We
had
an
outstanding
year
in
2021,
leisure
and
hospitality.
Sales
tax
was
1.52
billion
dollars.
D
That
goes
straight
to
your
budget
and
our
budget.
That's
an
increase
of
134
million
dollars.
That's
not
134
million
dollars
over
2020!
That's
134
million
dollars
over
our
record
2019
year.
So
we
are
so
grateful
to
our
industry
to
the
resiliency
that
they
have
done.
It
was
over
9.7
over
our
record
2019..
D
D
So
we
told
you
if
we
got
more
money,
we'd
spend
we'd,
spend
that
amount
on
telling
people
we
did
spend
that
on
telling
people
we
now
reached
70
million
people
instead
of
35,
knowing
that,
if
we
tell
them
about
tourism,
it's
worth
them
hearing
about
it
so
I'll
quickly,
because
of
time,
we've
partnered
with
people
like
google
to
talk
to
our
our
distressed
and
at-risk
communities
and
help
them
get
ready
with
the
university
of
tennessee,
with
a
tremendous
angler
like
bill
dance
and
we're
going
to
create
a
world-class
fishing
program,
that's
going
to
benefit
22
distressed
at
risk
counties.
D
So
many
good
things
and
I
won't
I'll
I'll
skip
ahead
just
to
to
close
and
to
say
you
saw
that
we
helped
our
industry
create
134
million,
that's
437
million
more
than
last
year,
so
the
303
has
now
been
erased
with
a
437
million,
hopefully
you're,
believing
that
tourism
is
real
money,
it
does
create
jobs.
Our
budget
has
not
had
a
recurring
adjustment
in
eight
years.
D
The
state
this
year
our
request
is
less
than
than
last
year's,
but
with
the
need
for
recurring
is
because
we've
been
spending
that
money
and
then
the
last
item
is
to
talk
about
the
25
million
special
event.
Pilot
program
tennessee's
had
a
proven
track
record
with
some
great
events
like
the
nashville
draft,
the
battle
at
bristol
ironman
world
championship.
So
many
others.
We
know
there
are
measurable
events
that
we
should
be
pursuing.
As
a
state
texas
has
had
a
fund
for
20
years.
D
There's
20
states
that
have
a
type
of
fund
like
this,
so
that
they
can
be
competitive
in
creating
events
and
here's
the
good
news.
We
can
create
criteria
that
either
we
go
after
these
events
and
they
bring
us
much
more
money
or
we
don't
have
them,
and
these
are
events
that
are
on
record
as,
if
they're
going
to
come
to
tennessee,
there's
a
there's
a
fee
that
has
to
be
paid
to
get
those
events
and
the
economic
impact
that
they
bring
is
real
tourism
dollars
in
multiples.
D
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
think
we're
all
excited
to
see
these
numbers.
It's
a
great
turnaround
story
from
where
we
were-
and
I
think,
one
of
the
the
more
exciting
things
that
I'm
sure
there'll
be
questions
about
this
and
we'll
dig
a
little
deeper,
but
the
fact
that
94
million
dollars
is
being
spent
outside
of
the
what
we
would
normally
expect
to
be
the
big
tourist
meccas.
B
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady,
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
today
and
taking
time
to
answer
some
of
these
questions.
The
department
is
responsible
for
the
operations
of
tennessee,
with
the
16
welcome
centers,
located
on
the
interstates,
the
department
utilizes
traffic
counters,
at
these
welcome
centers
to
track
the
number
of
visitors.
D
F
The
last
question
all
16
state
welcome
centers
are
open.
Last
year
we
did
the
cares
dollars
allowed
us
to
get
state-of-the-art
traffic
counters,
and
last
year
we've
seen
over
14
million
visitors
in
all
16
of
our
state.
Welcome
centers.
E
I
know
the
department
experienced
some
issues
in
2020
with
those
traffic
calendars
are
all
the
new
devices
installed
and
working
now
they
are
installed
and
working
and
we
actually
had
an
internal
meeting
and
we
are.
We
are
truly.
D
And
I
might
add,
too,
that
the
last
quarter
of
2021
was
the
highest
since
we've
been
tracking
attendance,
it
was
the
highest
in
our
eight
years
of
tracking.
So
really
exciting.
People
are
back
out
on
the
road
and
coming
to
see
our
welcome
centers.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady.
Can
you
give
me
a
basic
idea
of
what
these
news
counters
cost
and
is
there
once
they're
installed
in
operation?
Is
there
any
recurring
cost
to
them
and
I'm
going
to
defer
to.
F
Our
assistant
commissioner
of
administration,
for
the
budgeting
piece
of
that
and
the
recurring
dollars.
F
Good
morning
kevin
mahoney
assistant,
commissioner
of
administration,
I
don't
have
the
exact
figures
in
front
of
me,
but
I
know
the
entire
program
was
about
130
000
to
get
those
counters
in
across
the
state
and
there
is
a
recurring
cost.
It
was
minimal
and
it
was
mainly
to
run
the
network
just
so
those
the
signals
could
update
and
report
on
those
it
was
a
few
thousand
dollars.
I
think
it
was
a
hundred
dollars
and
something
per
device,
but
I
can
get
that
to
you.
The
exact
amounts.
B
And
just
to
follow
up
on
that,
what's
the
life
of
that
technology,
is
there
a
replacement
in
the
future,
although
that's
a
very
minimal
cost,
or
when
do
we
have
to
look
at
getting
the
equipment
or
replacing
it
or
upgrading
it.
B
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I've
got
a
personal
order.
It's
spring
break
back
in
greenville
this
week
and
my
10
year
old
daughter,
caitlin
is
going
to
spend
some
time
down
here
so
caitlin.
Why
don't
you
stand
up
baby
girl
just
to
see
how
much
you've
grown,
if,
if
you
see
her
around
anywhere
and
have
some
work
to
do,
she's
glad
to
do
the
work?
So
thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
E
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
good
morning,
commissioner,
and
again,
I
just
want
to
tell
you.
I
just
really
appreciate
the
great
job
you
and
your
staff
do.
I
enjoyed
so
much
working
with
you
and
all
you
do
for
our
state.
Thank.
D
E
Well,
listen.
The
question
I
have
this
morning
is
the
the
initiative
the
tennessee
on
me.
Yes,
could
you
give
us
an
update
how
that
turned
out
and
was
any
revenue
left
over?
Did
it
go
back
to
the
general
fund
and
just
the
impact
that
had
on
the
state.
D
Thank
you,
representative,
whitson
and
good
question,
and
we're
really
pleased
to
get
to
talk
about
tennessee
on
me
now
because
of
the
data
again
back,
then
we
didn't
have
the
results
to
that
information,
but
we
spent
a
little
less
than
600
thousand
dollars
on
vouchers.
D
We
spent
less
than
six
percent
of
our
media
dollars
to
support
that.
So
it
was
one
of
several
programs.
It
recorded
the
largest
number
of
impressions
of
any
campaign
that
we
did
with
hundreds
of
millions
of
of
impressions
drove
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
to
our
website.
What
we
knew
is
that
it
was
an
an
offer
that
required
someone
to
come
in
and
stay
at
a
particular
hotel
at
a
off
season
time
and
that
we
would
generate
sales
tax
dollars.
D
The
first
six
months
of
the
year
was
averaging
a
four
million
dollar
deficit
a
month.
So
it's
24
million
dollars
to
the
state
budget
deficit.
That's
one
county,
the
last
six
months
of
the
year
with
a
whole
lot
of
programs
we
broke
even
in
in
davidson
county,
a
swing
of
24
million
dollars
and
that's
just
for
davidson
county.
So
we're
really
pleased
with
the
results
of
that
campaign.
And
again,
what's
important
for
people
to
realize
is
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
things
to
encourage
folks
to
come
to
see
all
the
parts
of
tennessee.
E
Thank
you,
and
so
the
money
that
was
left
over
went
back
to
the
general
fund.
E
D
B
Chairman
whitson,
might
I
remind
you,
I
believe
that
you
have
a
son
and
daughter-in-law
and
grandchildren
who
live
in
the
great
state
of
alabama.
They
might
not
appreciate
your
disparity.
Thank.
I
G
Thank
you
and
I
hate
to
get
between
this.
That's
kind
of
enjoying
that,
commissioner,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
let
me
back
up
just
for
a
second
so
and
I
don't
mean
to
stay
on
tennessee
on
may.
So
is
that
program?
Is
it
ongoing
or
was
that
just
last
year
it.
D
G
Okay,
I'm
going
to
switch
gears
just
a
little
bit
to
the
office
of
real
tourism,
which
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
being
that
I
represent
a
very
rural
community
out
there
in
hancock
county
and
in
hawkins
and
claiborne
county
last
year.
If
I
recall,
I
think
there
was
two
million
dollars
that
was
set
aside
to
hire
someone
just
for
that
program,
that
rural
tourism
program
can
you
kind
of
give
me
a
status?
D
Well,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
it's
really
the
missional
part
of
what
we're
getting
to
do
and
working
with
those
distressing
at
risk
and
to
have
a
leader
like
assistant
commissioner
beecham,
to
to
yes
that
person
has
been
hired
and
and
so
I'll.
Let
her
take
you
through
a
few
of
the
pretty
exciting
results
so
far.
J
Good
morning,
so
what
the
office
of
role,
if.
B
You
would
just
for
the
record
just
state
your
name
and
position
for
you.
J
I'm
melanie
b,
jim
I'm
the
assistant
commissioner
of
rural
tourism
and
outreach.
So
when
we
got
our
program
started,
I'm
just
going
to
talk
through
a
little
bit
of
what
the
program
entails
so
far.
J
The
first
thing
that
we
did
is
we
offered
our
marketing
grant
that
we
typically
is
typically
a
one-to-one
match
for
our
distressed
counties
at
80
20..
We
added
funding
into
that
budget
to
allow
for
more
of
our
distressed
partners
to
be
a
part
of
that.
So
that's
a
marketing
grant
that
we
offer
each
year,
and
so
we
expanded
that
right
out
of
the
gate,
we
have
offered
scholarships
to
our
governor's
conference
sds
marketing
college.
J
I
think
we
mentioned
last
year
that
colorado
was
a
model
for
us
and
we
went
and
followed
them
to
learn
more
about
their
program
and
so
on
the
education
piece.
That
is
something
that
we've
done.
Technical
assistance
is
another
part
of
our
program
because
we
know
bandwidth
is
an
issue
in
our
rural
communities.
J
You
may
have
someone
at
the
chamber,
but
they
wear
a
lot
of
different
hats
and
tourism
is
a
small
part
of
what
they
do
and
so
technical
assistance
we
partnered
with
google
on
a
what
we
call
a
dmo
audit,
and
so
we
have
so
far
worked.
J
We
have
we
have
done
audits
for
nine
counties
with
another
seven
in
process
and
what
we
do
is
we
audit
their
google
listings,
because
when
people
come
to
an
area
they
wanna
search
and
if
that
information
is
incorrect,
it
creates
a
bad
experience,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
programs
that
we've
already
have
in
play.
As
for
the
position,
that
was
the
rural
position
too
right,
correct,
yep,
that's
correct
and
we
have
hired
somebody
for
that.
D
And
I
would
just
add,
teaching
folks
in
distressed
and
at
risk
counties
that
how
do
we
turn
a
visit
into
commerce
and
then
into
revenue
and
therefore,
then,
into
tax
revenue
for
them?
It's
not
coincidental
that
all
of
those
counties
pretty
much
struggle
in
getting
out
of
state
people,
leaving
them
enough
money
and
that's
what
tourism
is
about.
D
How
do
we
get
out
of
staters
to
come
in,
spend
money,
leave
their
money
and
then
go
home
and
we
don't
have
the
infrastructure
and
we
capture
so
really
pleased
a
couple
of
them
have
added
lodging
taxes
locally
there
for
them
again,
that
was
for
out
of
towners
they're,
creating
budgets
on
their
own
because
long
term.
We
want
to
teach
them
how
to
fish
not
to
just
give
them
fish.
It's
really
going
well.
G
That's
that's
exciting,
I
guess
the
one
thing
about
where,
where
I
represent-
and
I
think
most
on
this
panel
would
agree,
especially
those
that
represent
rural-
these
folks
know
how
to
sell
their
communities.
They
know
what
we'll
sell.
I
guess
let
me
say
that
maybe
they
don't
know
exactly
how
to
sell
it,
but
they
know
what
will
sell,
and
so
I
just
hope,
that's
one
thing.
One
aspect
of
this
program
is
that
the
locals
are
really
driving
this
for
what
works
in
their
community.
G
Hancock
county's
got
the
clinch
river,
I'm
canoeing
over.
There
is
huge,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
they're
looking
to
try
to
expand.
So
I'm
excited
about
that,
but
go
back
to
that
marketing
grant
just
for
a
second.
You
said
that
one
to
one
at
80,
20.
J
So
that
this
is
a
grant
that
we
have
had
for
many
years,
it
was
a
one-to-one
grant
so
for
all
partners,
it's
a
one-to-one
match.
So
what
we
saw
was
a
lot
of
our
distressed
counties
weren't,
taking
advantage
of
this
because
of
budget
just
not
having
enough
budget.
So
we
changed
it
for
distress,
counties
to
be
an
80
20
match,
okay,
and
so
their
match
is
20..
J
B
J
B
K
B
Efforts
that
this
administration
is
really
focused
on
chairman
zachary.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
morning,
commissioner
and
team
quick
question
related
to
the
100
million
dollar
allocation
of
art
funds
by
fsag
45
million
for
marketing
55
for
pass-through
grants
for
destination
marketing
organizations.
I
think
those
funds
have
to
be
used
by
2024.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
funds
and,
if
they've
been
expended
yet
and
what
the
plan
is
to
be
able
to
utilize
those
moving
forward.
D
Great
question-
and
we
are
so
excited
and
again
thank
you
for
your
role
in
allowing
us
to
do
that
to
build
out
some
multi-year
planning.
What
was
important,
in
fact,
representative
hicks,
what
you
just
said,
we
believe
in
local.
I
grew
up
with
a
family
business,
and
I
know
that
branding
needs
to
be
done
locally
and
we
are
the
over
brand
at
the
state
to
support
those
counties.
That's
why
we
gave
50
million
dollars
of
that
will
go
directly
to
the
113
destination
marketing
organizations.
D
No
county
is
going
to
get
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
the
next
four
years
representative.
It
is
through
2026,
and
that
allows
them.
That's
that's.
What's
so
special
about
this
is
we're
going
to
get
to
help
them
plan
how
to
build
out
transformational
projects,
and
so
that's
what
that
50
million
will
be
done
with
throughout
all
of
our
communities.
We
were
very
successful
in
cares.
Act
in
2020
tennessee
grew
its
market
share
and
tourism
more
than
ever
in
our
state's
history,
and
we
believe
we
have
the
assets
to
keep
on
doing
that.
D
M
So
yeah
it
is
truly
exciting
to
have
those
kind
of
resources
to
continue
to
expand
upon.
What's
already
been
accomplished,
you
know,
with
the
cares
act
funding
we
were
able
to
expand
into
the
new
markets.
As
commissioner
ezell
noted
earlier,
we're
now
talking
to
a
potential
reach
of
nearly
70
million
instead
of
35
million
well
to
be
able
to
sustain
marketing
campaigns
through
all
the
different
tactics
that
we
use
is
you're,
going
to
just
see
that
visitor
lift
continue
to
increase
over
the
coming
years.
So.
M
D
D
D
But
after
that,
we've
got
assets
that
people
will
come
and
experience
our
friendliness
and
all
those
represent
every
time
an
out-of-towner
comes.
They
just
leave
us
15
in
that
new
hotel
room
every
night,
and
so
that's
what
gets
us
really
pumped
about
the
future
and
the
cares
act
and
now
the
aarp
money
is
going
to
be
money.
You're,
counting
on
us
spending
wisely
with
the
industry
to
bring
those
dollars
in.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
commissioner,
it's
good
to
hear
that
things
are
bouncing
back
and
that
we're
over
our
2019
levels
and
things
have
come
back
from
the
pandemic.
I
I
have
a
question
about
the
cares
act
funding.
I
believe
we
got
25
million,
but
some
remains
unspent.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
tell
us
just
a
little
bit
about
about
the
unspent
portion.
Yes,.
D
The
good
news
is
we
had.
We
ended
up
with
a
total
of
25.7.
Again
we
passed
through
a
lot
of
that
money,
but
we
spent
25.4
so
almost
99
of
the
money,
one
of
the
highest
grant
usages
that
couple
of
hundred
thousand
I'll
turn
over
to
assistant
commissioner
mahoney,
but
we
are
really
thankful.
Our
teams
battled
to
get
that
money
spent
quickly.
F
So
I
may
have
to
actually
punt
this
back
over
to
assistant
commissioner
beecham,
but
basically
some
of
that
underspend
was
some
of
the
timing
with
those
grants,
those
pass-through
grants,
some
of
the
communities
didn't
use
them
or
chose
not
to
use
them,
but
they
all
have
the
availability
for
it.
But
melanie.
You
may
have
additional
details
on
that.
J
So
of
the
15
million
225
000
for
the
dmo
pass-through,
we
had
a
balance
of
461
000..
We
had
four
counties
out
of
all
of
the
four
dmos
out
of
the
117.
Dmos
not
participate,
and
those
four
happen
to
be
where
they
don't
have
a
tourism
office,
and
it
was
the
mayor.
Mayors
had
a
lot
of
cares,
act
that
he
was.
They
were
working
on
so
and
then
that
funding
kevin
it
went
back.
The
the
funding
that
was
not
used
went
back
into
the.
F
D
And
again
vice
chair,
what
we
would
say
is
helping
make
sure
somebody
doesn't
turn
down.
Free
federal
money
is
part
of
that
education
process
and
the
good
news
is
we
got
four
years
to
spend
the
money
in
arp,
not
five
months,
so
building
out
those
local
teams
is
really
going
to
be
critical,
teaching
them
how
to
spend
money
to
help
themselves
and
to
create
that
tax
revenues.
What
what
our
mission
will
be.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I'm
going
to
take
a
moment
of
personal
privilege
to
thank
the
commissioner
for
adding
so
much
joy
to
my
youth,
as
it
was
always
a
big
day
when
the
purity
truck
pulled
up
to
our
house,
and
we
we
knew
we
had.
We
probably
drank
a
gallon
of
milk
in
every
meal.
That's
a
good
customer!
I
will
say
this.
N
Also,
probably
one
of
the
biggest
times
I
ever
got
in
trouble
as
a
child
was
my
brother
and
I
would
sneak
out
and
add
ice
cream
and
lemonade
to
the
to
the
delivery
ticket
and
we
did
it
for
a
good
deal
this
summer
and
my
mom
called
and
fussed
at
the
delivery
person
and
said:
why
do
you
keep
bringing
this
and
they
presented
back
the
tickets
where
we'd
mark
them
up
and
we
spent
the
last
couple
weeks
of
our
summer
break
in
in
in
trouble?
So
I
just
want
to
share
that
here.
N
So
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
25
million
grant
to
attract
new
events
and
and
sporting
events,
and
you,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the.
Why,
but
do
you
have?
Are
there
a
couple
of
targets
that
we're
looking
at?
Are
there
events
that
we
would
that
are
kind
of
the
dream
event?
Can
you
can
you
speak
to
that?
A
little
bit.
D
Yes,
and
and
what
what
we
feel
like
is
really
important
is
that
you
would
be
able
to
see
the
criteria
that
we
would
build
out.
These
these
20
states
that
have
various
types
of
funds
all
have
very
serious
criteria
that
are
built
around
economic
impact
that
are
built
around
room
nights
that
are
built
around
exposures.
These
are
not
random
grants.
These
are
these.
Are
you
are
evaluating
those
events?
D
So
we
don't
have
access
to
be
able
to
talk
about
those,
but
all
of
those
events
there's
there's
a
two
that
I
am
thinking
of
right
now
that
those
events
have
not
been
in
the
united
states
in
decades,
and
you
have
a
city
not
nashville,
not
memphis,
other
cities
that
are
out
there
that
are
being
eligible
for
these
event
funds,
and
then
there
are
events
that
are
coming
to
tennessee
that
are
expecting
us
to
to
be
able
to
keep
them
to
come
things
like
music
city.
N
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
I
would
also
like
to
thank
you
and
then
and
encourage
you
to
continue
making
sure
that
these
events
are
also
fun
for
the
the
community
that
they're
in
the
grand
prix
the
draft
I
took
my
family
down
and
those
were
those
were
great.
I
would
have
traveled
somewhere
to
go,
see
them,
but
it
was
nice
to
have
them
here
in
our
backyard.
So
thanks
for
that,
thanks
for
all
you
do.
B
And
just
a
couple
of
follow-ups
on
that:
yes
ma'am,
you
mentioned
the
criteria
that
would
be
fairly
stringent
criteria
that
would
be
developed.
Where
are
we
in
that
process,
and
when
might
we
have
a
look
at
what
that
criteria
is.
D
Well,
we
we're
pretty
far
down
the
road
in
our
research,
so
we
have
been
studying
what
the
other
states
have
done
with
their
event
funds
and
we're
not
trying
to
be
a
texas.
Texas
spends
46
million
dollars
a
year
on
their
event
fund
and
they
grab
a
lot
of
events.
D
What
we,
what
we
know
is
that
we'll
be
able
to
bring
back
some
of
those
events
on
the
economic
models,
tourism,
economics
and
several
others
that
cities
and
states
put
together
when
they're
bidding
on
those
kind
of
projects,
a
certain
number
of
room
nights
that
they
know
a
fifa
event
or
other
music
city
grand
prix
and
others
generate.
So
we
think
over.
We
really
got
most
of
the
criteria
established.
D
The
details
will
be
the
fund
get
approved,
and
then
how
do
we
build
out
how's
the
wisest
way
to
spend
that
money?
What
opportunities
are
out
there
so
in
the
next
week,
we
can
certainly
share
some
of
that
information
with
you
immediately
as
it
relates
to
the
general
criteria,
but
a
lot
of
it
will
depend
on
the
size
of
the
fund
and
how
we
want
to
allocate
those
dollars.
B
Would
have,
how
did
you
come
up
with
the
25
million
dollars?
Is
that
is
that
enough?
Is
that,
based
on
I
know
we,
you
know
texas
is
much
larger,
and
so
that's
not
a
fair
comparison,
but
what
other
states
did
you
look
at
that?
Do
this
that
have
like
more
similar
budgets.
D
Well,
louisiana
and
we've
got
our
our
our
data
director
here
that
adam
manziel
who's
been
leading
us
because
we
actually
went
and
got
a
company
to
to
do
our
research.
Ohio
has
a
fund.
Missouri
has
a
fund,
a
number
of
states
that
have
special
event,
funds
that
are
primarily
either
convention
or
sporting
type
events,
things
that
you
know
again.
D
You're
you're
only
going
to
host
those
once
in
a
every
decade
or
two
decades
or
three
decades,
and
so
the
question
is
we
felt
like
and
again
this
came
through
the
community
input
sessions
that
the
governor's
office
had
and
the
governor
then
brought
that
request
to
us
and
we
said
absolutely
to
have
the
ability
to
have
those
funds.
So
we
won't
really
know
whether
25
million
is
the
right
one.
D
B
All
right,
thank
you,
representative
sparks
final
question,
we're
running
late,
but
with,
as
you
can
tell
commissioner
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
in
what
you
and
your
department
do.
Thank
you,
representative
spark
yeah.
O
Thank
you.
I
think
we
all
appreciate
our
parks.
I
know
I
do
I
wanted
to
ask
as
far
as
marketing
long
range.
I
brought
this
up
to
tennessee
parks
bryson
last
week.
I
believe
it
was
have
you
all
explored
vr
technology
virtual
reality,
technology
to
where
you
know
as
far
as
marketing-
and
there
may
be
some
young
people
in
the
crowd
here
that
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
Where
I
hear
david
hawk
and
other
people
talk
about
their
their
community.
Well,
I
can't
it's
difficult
to
be
there.
O
I
think
ryan
williams
brought
up
the
schools
coming
up
for
field.
Trips
is
difficult
for
rural
folks,
but
with
the
vr
technology
you
could
in
the
classroom,
you
can
almost
be
there
and
it's
pretty
interesting
stuff
met
with
milo
college
of
the
day
in
a
lebaki,
a
company
that
does
vr
development,
software
development
and
training,
videos
and
they're
also
using
it
for
like
medgar
evans.
O
You
know
in
mississippi
they
partnered
with
national
archives
and
to
do
this
video,
but
it's
really
some
fascinating
stuff,
but
from
a
marketing
perspective,
I
think
it
would
be
brilliant
for
y'all
long
term
to
have
that
tour.
It's
almost
a
teaser
to
get
people
to
want
to
come
to
some
rural
counties
or
areas
that
that
that
kind
of
put
it
out
there,
especially
for
for
our
schools
to
to
reach
these
rural
areas
and
ryan
williams.
Patsy
hayes
was
those
areas
crawford's
districts
that
are
so
difficult
for
students
to
come
up.
D
M
Out
there
we
have
used
virtual
reality
headsets
to
inspire.
In
fact,
a
few
years
ago
we
were
at
the
country
to
country
music
festival
in
london
and
had
a
big
setup
with
the
grand
ole
opry
backdrop
and
autograph
signings
and
had
a
whole
bunch
of
those
vr
headsets,
using
footage
that
the
country
music
association
had
captured
here
at
the
festival
concert
and
you
could
be
on
stage
with
dierks
bentley
or
you
could
be
on
stage
with
others.
M
So
I
love
that
and
you're
right
for
those
types
of
long-haul
markets
in
particular
when
we
can
go
to
another
city
and
use
technology
to
inspire
them
to
one
and
come
and
do
it
you're
right.
It
is
neat,
we've
used
it.
We
we've
also
looked
at
like
augmented
reality
technology
to
enhance
some
of
the
experience
of
what
people
are
on
site
and
and
even
other
things
like
you
know,
projector
mapping
and
different
stuff.
M
So
great
question
and
yes,
marketing
folks
get
pretty
excited
when
we,
whenever
the
technology
evolves,
but
certainly
we'll
consider
it
for
parks,
and
we
have
a
great
partnership
with
the
parks
and
have
worked
probably
more
closely
with
them.
In
the
last
three
years
than
we
ever
have
before,
as
our
visitation
to
parks
just
continues
to
increase,
so
thank
you.
B
Well,
thank
you,
commissioner,
we're
well
past
time,
and
I
will
have
a
just
take
a
moment
for
a
personal
order
would
like
to
ask
you
to
say
hello
to
your
uncle
roy
for
for
me
and
for
my
husband,
david,
who
is
a
great
friend
of
his
and
really
enjoys
time
spent
with
him.
So
hello
to
him
for
us,
and
thank
you
again
for
being
here.
B
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
We
had
we
went
overtime
and
I
apologize
for
holding
you
up
like
that,
but
we
look
forward
to
hearing
what
you
have
to
tell
us
about
what's
happening
with
the
arts
in
tennessee.
So
if
you
want
to
just
go
straight
into
your
presentation,
thank.
A
You,
madam
chair,
my
name,
is
anne
pope
and
I'm
executive
director
of
the
tennessee
arts
commission
with
me
to
my
right
is
hal
partlow
director
associate
director
of
grants
and
to
my
left
is
associate
director
of
grants
and
brown
also
with
me
is
jason
goldston,
our
director
of
communications
and
marketing.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
share
with
you
how
the
arts
commission
works
to
serve
the
citizens
of
the
state.
The
mission
of
the
arts
commission
is
to
cultivate
the
arts
for
the
benefit
of
all
tennesseans
in
their
communities.
A
Our
requested
funding
for
fy
2223
is
36856,
which
includes
our
regular
agency
budget
of
11.7
million
and
25
million
from
the
u.s
department
of
treasury
of
the
american
rescue
plan
act
funds,
as
approved
by
governor
lee
in
the
financial
stimulus
accountability
group.
Our
cost
increases,
none
of
our
requests
affect
the
the
general
fund.
A
The
first
request
is
to
raise
the
estimate
of
specialty
license
plate
dedicated
appropriate
appropriations
by
1.2
million.
Six
hundred
thousand
of
that
would
be
reoccurring
and
six
hundred
thousand
would
be
test
also
includes
one-time
use
of
1.4
million
in
reserves
for
statutorily
directed
purposes
as
well
as
which
would
also
help
address
increased
demand
for
tennessee
communities,
including
in
rural
communities.
A
A
The
american,
the
tennessee
nonprofit
arts
and
culture
recovery
fund
was
approved
by
governor
lee
and
the
financial
stimulus
accountability
group
for
80
million
dollars
over
three
years
for
grants
to
address
severe
covert
related
economic
harm
to
approximately
200
tennessee
nonprofit
arts
and
cultural
organizations
across
the
state.
A
Tennessee's
arts
and
culture
sector
was
hit
hard
by
the
pandemic,
with
97
percent
of
tennessee's
arts,
non-profits
canceling
events,
the
first
round
application
deadline
of
february
4th
for
the
for
the
arp
money.
The
commission
received
167
applications
with
a
total
request
amount
of
96
million.
We
anticipate
notifying
award
recipients
in
the
next
few
weeks.
We
expect
the
next
round
of
applications
will
open
late
this
year
or
early
next
year
in
fy
21.
The
arts
commission
distributed
7.5
million
to
every
county
in
the
state
through
an
open,
fair
and
competitive
grants
process.
A
A
A
The
commission
invests
in
arts
inc
in
the
arts
and
culture
infrastructure
of
the
state
to
improve
quality
of
life.
Economic
vitality
and
tourism
on
the
slide
are
examples
of
non-profits
that
conduct
activities
and
programming
that
attract
audiences
and
also
who
provide
other
services
for
their
communities.
A
I'd
like
to
highlight
two
programs.
The
tennessee
person-centered
music
program
aims
to
improve
quality
of
life
and
care
for
residents
in
147
of
tennessee's
nursing
homes
through
the
use
of
individualized
music
for
nursing
home
residents,
including
those
res
nursing,
home
residents
who
are
suffering
from
dementia
or
alzheimer's.
A
Additionally,
the
commission
has
a
new
program
through
our
creative
placemaking
program,
which
is
our
rural
arts
facilities
fund,
which
is
built
upon
our
successful
creative
place.
Making
model
this
grant
program
will
provide
matching
grant
assistance
for
rural
communities
to
help
build
renovate
or
expand
arts
and
culture
facilities.
A
A
B
You,
dr
pope,
we
appreciate
you
being
here
again.
I
have
a
vested
interest
in
this.
From
some
degree,
I
have
a
stepdaughter
in
chattanooga
who
runs
an
arts
organization,
so
I
and
I
know
how
crippling
all
of
that
was
during
the
pandemic,
because
most
of
these
organizations
get
their
funding
from
large
events.
You
know
one
annual
events
and
that
kind
of
thing,
which
obviously
could
not
happen
under
pandemic
circumstances,
so
the
dollars
that
the
grants
provided
really
kept
a
lot
of
these
organizations
afloat.
B
B
A
A
We
have
326
nursing
home
residents
that
are
currently
participating,
averaging
nine
residents
per
facility
with
143
nursing,
home
staff
trained
and
two
and
involving
283
family
members,
who
also
are
involved
as
far
as
as
far
as
what
we
are
doing
to
market
the
firm.
A
I
mean
the
program
we
do
have
our
marketing
director,
who
is
here
jason
golson,
who,
if
you
want
to
come
to
the
table
and
and
add
to
what
I'm
about
to
say,
we
we've
done,
we
do
it
online
to
the
nursing
homes
we
have.
We
have
through
the
the
tennessee
hospital
association.
A
They
had
an
annual
their
annual
conference.
We
had
a
booth
there
and
got
a
lot
of
interest
there.
We
do
pamphlets
we
reach
out
directly.
We
have
a
number
of
and
a
number
of
other
things
that
we
do
to
market
directly
to
nursing
homes
in
partnership
with
the
tennessee
hospital
association,
as
well
as
the
tennessee
commission
on
aging
and
jason.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
F
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Next
on
my
list,
representative
gillespie.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
director.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
My
question
is
about
your
specialty.
License
plates
looks
like
this
year.
Y'all
requested
a
total
of
about
2.6
million
dollars
from
reserves
for
a
the
art
grant
program.
I
just
want
to
know
how
many
grants
y'all
plan
on
using
this
year,
and
then
I've
got
a
follow-up
question
after
that.
A
Yes,
representative,
we
requested
1.4
million
a
1.2
million
that
actually
is
raising
the
estimate
for
the
annual
sales
for
the
license
plate,
and
then
we
are
asking
for
1.4
million
in
use
of
one-time
reserves.
Yes,
sir
representative,.
A
A
Last
year,
last
last
year
we
granted
seven
we
granted
7.5
million
in
grants
to
every
county
in
the
state
to
over
500
different
grantees.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
director,
pope
great
to
have
you
here.
Thank
you
so
much
she's
trying
to
find
me
up
here.
I
can
tell
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
american
rescue
plan
dollars
that
you
mentioned.
You
said
167
applicants
the
due
date
was
february
4th
and
they
have
sent
requests
for
96
million
dollars.
You
mentioned
that
we've
got
80
million
dollars
available.
Yes,.
D
G
Are
we
going
to
spend
all
that
80
million,
or
are
we
going
to
invest
all
that
80
million
dollars
in
these
grant
applications,
and
and
what
will
the
process
be?
Hopefully
each
of
the
applicants,
if
worthy
will
will
receive
some
dollars.
So
if
you
could
walk
us
through
the
process
that
you're
going
through
right
now
in
delineation
of
that
80
million
dollars.
A
Yes,
sir,
that's
exactly
right.
We
received
applications,
we're
going
through
the
process
right
now
with
and
and
we
received
grant
requests
from
168
with,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
we've
our
existing
staff.
Have
we
created
an
allocation
process
and
standardized
contracts
that
working
with
cpo?
On
that
we
finalized
detailed,
grant
guidelines
designed
new
and
built
new
forms
in
our
online
grant
system
management
system,
we
conducted
extensive
outreach
to
eligible
applicants
and
and
and
resulting
in
168
applications.
A
We
we
using
the
exac
existing
panel
review
protocol
staff,
organized
and
trained
a
panel
of
external
financial
reviewers,
with
non-profit
accounting,
expertise
who
conducted
technical
reviews
of
the
accounting
support
for
pandemic
loss
according
to
a
standard
rubric
which
we
developed.
Any
issues
identified
are
currently
being
addressed
and
resolved.
A
A
We
then
expect
in
that
the
next
round
of
applications
will
open
later
this
year
or
early
next
year,.
G
You
mayor
for
a
good
follow-up,
so
tell
me
again
we're
we're
looking
at.
Is
there
going
to
be
another
pool
of
money
made
available,
or
are
we
still
talking
about
not
spending
the
the
full
80
million
dollars
in
this
first
round,
or
is
there
going
to
be
another
pool
of
money
available
and
as
you're
talking
about
the
looking
at
these?
If
you
can
answer
as
well,
it
sounds
like
you're
able
to
do
this
with
existing
staff,
but
you
had
to
bring
an
outside
independent
organization
in.
G
Are
they
are
they
charging
us
anything,
or
is
that
just
the
cost
of
that
as
we're
looking
at
the
budget?
So
two
questions
are:
are
we
are
we
going
to
spend
less
than
the
80
million
dollars
we've
got
in
this
first
round
and
what
will
the
next
round
of
investment
be,
and
also
just
the
cost
of
of
doing
it
within
your
within
your
department?.
A
We
we,
we
were
allotted
30
million
in
the
current
fiscal
year
to
to
get
30
million
out
the
the
first
year
and
then
25
million
in
in
the
next
year,
and
then
the
final
25
million
in
the
third
year
and
then,
as
far
as
the
cost,
we
brought
in
financial
experts
that
had
that
had
expertise
in
non-profit
accounting
practices
from
arts
and
cultural
organizations,
each
who
took
a
certain
number
of
applications.
A
We
divided
up
the
168
applications
and
we
paid
each
one
of
those
recipients,
a
two
thousand
dollar
honorarium
for
their
number
of
applications.
Additionally,
we
have,
we
have
of
that.
80
million
we
have
in
the
budget
is
a
hundred
thousand
each
year
for
monitoring
and
accountability.
On
the
back
end.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
have
a
question
related
to
the
sixty
thousand
dollar
grant
to
make
grants
available
for
non-profit
arts
senior
service
or
community
organizations
and
governmental
entities
offering
art
learning
to
seniors
funding
for
these
projects
is
occurring
between
august
1st
of
last
year
and
june
15th
of
this
year.
I
believe
how
many
programs
have
actually
taken
advantage
of
this
funding
so
far.
A
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
60
60
thousand
dollar
program.
F
Ann
brown
associate
director
of
grants.
I
believe-
and
I
can
get
you
the
exact
number
about
20,
nonprofits
or
local
governments
have
applied
for
that.
I
think
it's
we.
We
call
that
the
the
arts
access
mini
grant
or
the
creative
aging.
C
F
G
Okay,
just
if
you
can
get
it
to
a
chair,
I
would
appreciate
that
are
programs
outcomes,
program
outcomes
being
measured.
A
Yes,
yes,
sir,
and
and
and
just
a
a
an
additional
point
to
add
that
funding
was
through
that's
some
national,
that
funding
that
came
through
a
a
national
foundation
as
well
as
a
and
other
non-profits.
F
O
Yeah
real
quick
last,
you
mentioned
music
therapy.
You
know
I've
shared
with
this
committee
and
and
other
communities.
I've
got
a
sister
in
a
nursing
home
that
had
a
severe
brain
injury.
She
was
singing
a
song.
This
is
why
I
think
this
stuff
is
powerful.
She
was
singing
a
song
country,
road.
Take
me
home.
She
was
trying
to
get
out
of
the
nursing
home.
She
was
trying
to
escape
and
I
woke
up.
O
O
My
friend
jt
cooper
works
with
a
group
called
warrior
rounds.
They
help
songwriters
in
nashville
and
they
work
with
with
veterans.
I
really
think
when
we
look
at
what
we're
spending
and
the
suicide
rate
and
the
depression
and
the
I
mean
that
at
an
all-time
high,
I
think
everybody
would
agree.
I
really
think
this
music
therapy
I'd,
never
thought
I'd,
say
this
five
years
ago,
but
I
really
think
there's
something
there's
something
there
for
healing
and
it's
something
we
can
all
agree
on.
O
So
I
appreciate
any
attention
y'all
can
bring
to
to
that
and
working
with
veterans
and
these
young
people,
and
even
even
in
our
presence,
when
what
60
70
percent
of
that's
mental
health
and
and
addiction,
so
I
think,
there's
something
there
to
to
really
help
heal
and
get
our
costs
down.
So
I
see
it
as
an
investment.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
and
again
we
apologize
for
our
tardiness
in
getting
to
you.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do.
You
know
arts
and
oftentimes.
B
We
used
to
talk
about
an
organization
that
I
was
part
of
that
was
the
last
to
get
funded
and
the
first
to
get
cut
and
too
often
the
arts
falls
into
that
category.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
and
to
say
that
we
in
tennessee
have
a
commitment
to
the
arts
and
we've
kept
that
even
through
a
very
difficult
circumstances,
with
the
pandemic
and
all
the
other
things
that
occurred.
So
thank
you
for
what
you
do
to
keep
the
arts
organizations
keep
their
heads
above
water
during
difficult
times
across
the
state.
B
Well,
good
morning,
it's
always
good
to
see
you
and
run
have
run
into
you
in
the
hall
a
few
times
during
sessions.
So
I'm
glad
to
officially
welcome
you
to
the
finance
committee
and
look
forward
to
hearing
all
you
have
to
tell
us
about
how
the
lottery
is
fared
during
the
past
year
and
even
some
time
before
that
with
the
pandemic
and
how
the
sports
wage
ring
has
impacted
lottery
proceeds
if
at
all,
so
with
that,
we
will
just
ask
you
again
welcome
and
ask
you
to
get
into
your
presentation.
P
Thank
you
matt.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee
with
me
is
andy
davis,
who
has
been
our
chief
financial
officer
since
day.
One
we've
both
been
here
about
18
years
and
have
truly
enjoyed
all
of
the
opportunities
that
tennessee
has
given
us
to
make
the
lottery
as
successful
as
it
has
been.
P
P
Since
inception
we've
raised
6.2
billion
dollars
for
the
educational
programs
that
we
fund
over
a
million
students,
have
had
the
opportunity
to
benefit
from
those
programs
for
the
10-year
period.
Ending
in
2021
gross
revenues
have
increased
at
an
annual
rate
of
5.8
percent
since
our
first
full
fiscal
year
in
2005.
P
The
profits
from
our
instant
games,
which
represent
over
80
percent
of
our
revenues,
have
doubled.
We've
gone
from
153
million
to
365
million
in
the
fiscal
year.
For
the
10-year
period,
ending
2021
lottery
for
education.
Proceeds
have
grown
on
an
average
of
5.6
annually
for
the
current
fiscal
year.
Our
total
gross
ticket
revenues
were
1.38
billion
as
of
march
5th.
P
P
So
when
you
combine
what
would
have
been
the
effect
of
the
pandemic
on
us
with
sports
wagering,
starting
at
the
same
time,
it's
difficult
to
pinpoint
exactly
where
we
are.
However,
we
have,
as
I
said,
grown
on
an
average
of
5.6
since
we
began
and
we're
at
about
two
percent
this
year,
so
we're
up
some.
The
total
sales
of
lottery
tickets
last
year
were
2
billion.
P
Sports
wagering
was
2.3
million,
we
returned
approximately
half
a
billion
to
the
lottery
for
education
account
and
after
school
programs,
and
they
returned
to
32
million
so
well.
The
sales
are
about
the
same.
The
difference
in
profits
for
tennessee
citizens
are
500
million
to
about
32
million.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
with
to
andy
davis,
who
will
go
over
projected
numbers
for
the
year
and
then
we'll
both
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Any
of
you
might
have
good
morning.
Q
Good
morning
is
it
on
there
we
go:
I'm
sorry,
andy
davis,
chief
finance
and
information
systems
officer
for
tennessee
lottery
for
fiscal
year
2022.
Our
gross
ticket
revenues,
as
rebecca
mentioned,
is
in
three
major
categories
of
tennessee.
Instant
games.
Tennessee
only
draw
style
games
in
our
multi-jurisdictional
games.
Q
Q
Tennessee
only
draw
style,
games,
cash,
three
cash,
four
tennessee
cash
and
keynote
to
go-
represents
about
eight
percent
of
our
estimated
revenues.
This
fiscal
year
with
gross
revenues
projected
at
168
to
173
million
this
fiscal
year.
Q
What's
our
jurisdictional
draw
style
games
which
is
powerball
mega
millions,
lotto
america
and
cash
for
life
will
represent
about
seven
percent
of
our
estimated
revenues
this
year
with,
obviously,
the
largest
driver
of
those
games
is
the
jackpot
size.
Gross
revenue
is
estimated
155
to
163
million
fiscal
year,
2022.
Q
gross
ticket
revenue
estimates
between
2
billion
50
million
to
2
billion
116
million.
This
fiscal
year
expenses
for
this
fiscal
year,
the
largest
being
prizes
our
prize-
is
going
to
be
between
1.23
to
1.27
billion
as
prize
expenses
fiscal
year
with
instant
gains
prizes
as
percentage
of
lottery
proceeds
at
about
68,
and
then
all
of
the
draw
stock
games
are
approximately
50
percent
of
ticket
sales.
Retailer
commissions,
as
a
percent
of
gross
revenues,
are
that
six
point.
Q
They.
We
I
project
for
this
fiscal
year
that
for
that
to
be
about
2.7
percent
of
gross
revenues
or
about
50.1
million
for
the
fiscal
year.
Our
administrative
cost
is
all
of
the
cost
of
doing
business.
We're
budgeted
at
23
million
this
fiscal
year,
which
is
about
1.2
percent
of
gross
revenues
and
then
education
funding
this
fiscal
year.
We
project
net
lottery,
proceeds
between
468
to
482
million
and
after
school
program
after
school
program,
proceeds
results
from
unclaimed
prizes,
we're
projecting
about
18
million
this
fiscal
year
for
that
funding
fiscal
year
2023.
Q
As
rebecca
talked
earlier,
we
are
projecting
conservatively
about
2.5
growth
for
fiscal
2023
and
obviously
that
would
be
provide
a
range
between
476
to
493
million
for
fiscal
year
2023..
B
Thank
you
both
for
a
very
succinct
presentation.
We
do
appreciate
that
here
and
chairman
baum
you're
recognized.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
both
for
your
comments
and
for
providing
us
with
these
numbers.
I'm
sure
you're
aware
that
the
governor
is
proposing
increasing
the
amount
awarded
with
the
hope,
scholarship
and
that's
going
to
increase
fiscal
demands
on
corresponding
funds.
So
I
was
wondering
miss
paul
if
you
might
have
a
projection
on
whether
you
think
that
revenues
from
the
lottery
will
maintain
at
the
levels
that
they
are
and
continue
to
grow
at
two
or
three
or
five
percent
a
year.
Something
like
that.
P
Well,
at
this
point,
mr
chairman,
the
industry
average
growth
has
been
about
two
percent
a
year
and
we've
always
outdone
the
industry
growth
about
double.
So,
as
I
said,
we've
been
at
5.6
percent
in
proceeds
for
the
last
10
years.
P
P
F
Thank
you,
and
I
know
that
you
said
that
the
pandemic
and
online
sports
gaming
began
about
the
same
time.
So
it's
hard
to
differentiate
the
two.
But
what's
your
sense
of
what
the
effect
of
sports
gaming
will
be
long
term
I
mean:
do
you
think
that
it
will
have
a
an
impact,
long
term
on
lottery,
proceeds.
P
Our
statute
says
you
must
use
paper
or
coin
currency
and,
as
you
get
younger
people
who
don't
carry
cash,
it
becomes
harder
and
harder
to
sell
lottery
tickets
even
at
the
point
of
sale.
So
I
think
the
inability
to
do
debit
or
sell
online,
which
is
difficult
to
do
if
you
have
paper
going
currency,
that
it's
more,
the
inability
of
us
to
compete
on
a
level
playing
field
than
necessarily
the
products
themselves.
L
Thank
you
thank
you
for
coming
today.
I
just
was
reading
the
other
day.
I
think,
and
just
had
a
quick
question.
There
seems
to
be
a
push
or
a
desire
for
the
lottery
to
go
outside
the
united
states
and
incorporate
other
lotteries
internationally.
I
guess
we
statutory
hadn't
hadn't,
provided
for
that.
I
didn't
know
a
whether
the
lottery
board
can
do
that
on
their
own
or
or
whether
it's
any
discussion
about
us
trying
to
partner
with
other
nations
as
it
relates
to
those
dollars
and
and
what
any
impact
it
might
have
financially.
P
So
the
discussion
is
to
add
to
the
48
jurisdictions
that
currently
sell
powerball,
australia
and
england,
so
it
would
just
be
an
additional
state
selling,
just
like
new
york
or
california
or
florida,
all
of
which
participate
in
the
powerball
game.
So
it's
a
multi-jurisdictional
decision
that
we
either
drop
out
of
powerball
or
we
do
what
the
multi-jurisdictional.
P
Product
group
votes
to
do
so
impact
will
only
help
us
grow,
bigger,
jackpots
quicker.
If
we
had
this
discussion
in
the
multi-jurisdictional
game,
I
said
I
thought
the
folks
in
tennessee
would
rather
have
somebody
in
england
when
than
a
yankee.
L
Depends
on
if
they're
related
to
us,
but
no,
I
think
I
think
it's
interesting
to
do
that.
Obviously
we
would
get
there
quicker,
but
but
the
perception
maybe
not
the
reality
is,
is
that
it
is
something
that's
based
in
the
states,
but
I'm
I
was
unaware
of
the
of
the
virgin
islands
and
others
that
you
stated
so
it
is
interesting.
L
I
just
didn't
know
if,
if
their
issues
abroad
that
have
to
do
with
monies
and
and
of
course
we're
now
we're
seeing
uk
do
a
lot
of
sanctions
as
it
relates
to
other
folks
and
so
anyways.
I
just
read
that,
and
I
knew
very
little
about
it,
and
so
I
knew
that
you
would
be
the
person
to
know
so.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Just
a
follow-up
on
your
comments
about,
I
guess
the
challenges
for
the
lottery
going
forward
with,
and
you
make
a
strong
point
about
the
debit
card,
which
I
hadn't
even
thought
about,
but
my
son,
it
drives
me
nuts.
He
never
carries
cash,
I
just
don't,
and
so
you
have
a
whole
population
that
would,
as
you
say,
would
be
very
difficult
for
them
to
buy
a
lottery
ticket
should
they
even
choose
to
so
you
know.
That's
one
issue
the
debit
card,
but
help
me
understand
how
you
could
go
about
selling
lottery
tickets
online.
P
Well,
there
are,
the
vast
majority
of
the
world:
has
online
sales
of
lottery
products
and
about
10
u.s
states
do
online
lottery
ticket
sales.
So,
if
there's
a
big
powerball
jackpot,
rather
than
going
and
waiting
online
waiting
in
line,
you
would
go
online
to,
for
example,
the
georgia
lottery
website
and
you
set
up
an
account
and
you
purchase
a
ticket
and
you
choose
your
numbers
and
then
most
of
the
jurisdictions
that
do
online
sales,
then
will
because
they
know
who
you
are
because
of
your
account
that
you
set
up.
P
If
you
win,
they
just
deposit
the
money
straight
into
your
account,
so
you
don't
even
have
to
come
and
claim
unless
it's
over
a
certain
amount
where
the
security
rules
require
that
you
come
in
and
claim
in
person
or,
for
example,
when
you
order
from
I
don't
do
this,
but
uber
eats
or
those
places
or
that
deliver
groceries.
P
B
Q
Well,
generally,
the
cost
that
we
incur
as
a
percentage
of
revenue
current
contract
with
our
gaming
system
vendor
is
a
percentage
of
sales
at
1.19
of
sales,
so
basically
they
would
be
providing
the
technology
on
the
central
system
that
they
currently
have
in
place.
They
just
add
that
additional
component
onto
their
essential
system
processes.
F
P
B
B
We've
definitely
given
us
a
lot
to
think
about.
I
know
the
administration
and
I
believe,
most
of
the
body,
the
general
assembly
is
very
committed
to
increasing
the
hope
scholarship.
Now
that
we
have
the
tennessee
promise
on
a
sound
footing,
because
even
though
we've
held
tuition
static
for
our
students
in
tennessee,
there
are
other
costs
that
have
increased
and
it's
been
a
long
time
since
we've
increased
the
amount
of
the
hub
scholarship.
B
So
it's
good
to
know
that
the
work
that
you
all
are
doing
make
sure
that
the
money
will
be
there
to
provide
the
scholarships
for
those
students,
and
it
has
made
a
difference.
I
know
in
lives
in
tennesseans,
so
thank
you
for
for
managing
that
process
so
well,
and
for
these
doubling
the
growth
on
an
annual
basis
with
based
on
other
states
accomplishments.
B
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
and
your
committee.
I
have
to
my
immediate
right
mark
goins,
our
statewide
coordinator
of
elections
and
making
his
final
appearance
in
a
budget
hearing
before
either
chamber
is
chuck
sheryl
our
state
library
and
archivist,
who
will
be
retiring
in
between
now
and
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
I
want
to
take
the
public
opportunity
to
thank
him
for
the
tremendous
job
he
has
done
at
leading
library
and
archives.
H
H
He
looked
for
every
reason
possible
not
to
take
the
job
and,
as
he
was
kept
raising
objections.
I
said
what
he
said.
Well,
I
need
to
come
see
you
and
I
said,
I'm
going
to
come
see
you
and
I
went
down
the
city
of
brentwood's
library
and
I
pulled
up
in
the
parking
lot.
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
been
to
the
city
of
brentwood's
library
I
pulled
up
and
I
walked
in
the
doors-
and
I
said:
oh
my
gosh
we'll
never
get
him,
but
anyway
somehow
another.
We.
H
H
You
know
that
we
do
not
typically
make
budget
improvement
requests,
but
with
the
advent
of
more
and
more
states
and
counties
we're
among
about
we're
among
40
plus
states
right
now
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
preserve
digital
records.
We've
come
up
with
a
plan
for
that
and
we've
made
a
budget
request
and
the
governor
has
put
in
his
budget
of
553
thousand
seven
eighteen
dollars
in
year,
one
and
a
recurring
appropriation
of
three
hundred
and
thirty
two
thousand
air
and
thirty
four
dollars
each
year.
H
The
second
thing
I
will
mention
to
you
is,
you
may
remember:
last
year,
representative
holtzclaw
had
a
bill
that
reduced
every
fee
that
charitable
organizations
paid
to
our
organization
down
to
ten
dollars.
We
saw
that
we
were
running
a
pretty
sizable
surplus.
Frankly,
our
division
of
charitable
assistation
gaming.
You
in
your
wisdom,
passed
that
legislation
and
returned
1.9
million
dollars
to
charitable
organizations
around
the
state
of
tennessee.
H
The
next
thing
I
will
mention
that's
not
shown
in
this
document
is:
we
have
asked
the
administration
to
consider
taking
some
one-time
money
and
putting
it
into
election
equipment.
We
have
some
help.
America
vote
act,
funds
that
we
can
use
to
help
state
help
counties
make
the
transition
to
verify
paper
audit
trail
technology.
H
This
is
something
that
mark
goins
and
I
have
frankly
been
trying
to
lead
counties
into
doing
for
quite
some
time.
We're
gonna
put
22
million
dollars
in,
hopefully
the
administration's
going
to
put
15
million
dollars
in
and
we're
going
to
move
to
vote
verify
paper
audit
trail
in
all
95
counties
I'll
have
to
tell
you.
The
counties
have
been
resistant
that
over
the
years,
part
of
that
is
financially
and
it's
not
a
distrust
of
dre
technology.
H
But
what
we
find
ourselves
in
a
situation
of
is
that
less
and
less
states
around
the
country
are
using
dres.
The
marketplace
has
moved
away
from
that,
and-
and
so
you
know,
if
you
were
to
get
a
blackberry,
your
blackberry
might-
or
I
should
say,
an
iphone
5.
An
iphone
5
might
still
work
and
you
can
make
a
phone
call
and
you
check
your
emails
on
it.
Whenever
you
go
the
the
iphone
the
apple
store
and
you
you
say
hey,
I
need
some
help
with
this.
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
working
correctly,
they'll,
say
yeah.
H
We
don't
service
that
anymore
and
so
we're
we're
really
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
up
to
date
on
technology
and
and
stay
competitive
in
the
marketplace.
So
we
have.
We
have
those
issues.
The
fourth
thing
I
would
mention
to
you
is
that
and
counties
there
are
four
metro:
libraries,
knoxville
nashville,
memphis
and
chattanooga
that
you
last
year,
appropriated
through
the
governor's
budget,
three
million
dollars,
1.5
million
dollars
recurring
1.5
million
dollars
now
recurring.
H
Obviously,
in
this
year's
budget
there
is
1.5
million
dollars
recurring
from
that
you
essentially
recurring
in
last
year's
budget.
I
do
know
the
four
metro.
Libraries
are
probably
going
to
be
contact
you
if
they
haven't
already
about
trying
to
get
that
additional
1.5
million
dollars.
Somehow
back
into
this
year's
budget,
the
senate
did
pass
and
did
have
a
motion
and
a
second
approved
that
in
their
senate
hearing,
so
that
that's
something
I
would
just
ask
you
consider
that
they
use
those
dollars
to
purchase
materials
and
technology
for
those
four
metro,
libraries.
H
C
Everyone
else
thank
you
for
being
here
and
just
before
I
asked
the
questions
that
I
was
going
to
ask
the
audit
trail
voting
machines.
Is
that
similar
to
the
machines
that
we
use
in
wilson,
county.
R
What
depends
on
which
legislation
that
you
all
pass?
If
you
pass
anything
so
there's
there's
various
bills,
there's
at
least
seven
different
proposals
out
there,
including
a
caption
that
may
have
an
amendment,
but
the
one
that's
moved
so
far
on
the
house.
Side
is
represented,
brickin's
bill
and
what
it
would
allow,
certainly
the
the
type
that
you
use
in
wilson
county,
which
is
a
ballot
marking
device,
meaning
that
it's
a
paper
ballot
system.
R
But
the
machine
marks
the
the
ballot
for
you,
based
on
the
selections
that
you
place
and
then
the
ballot
is
printed
and
you
place
it
in
a
scanner
you
look
at
it.
You're
able
to
see
it
ripped
into
bricking's
bill
would
also
allow
hand
marked
paper
ballots,
which
is
what
you
have
in
hamilton
county
currently,
where
the
voter
comes
in
and
marks
the
the
ballot
and
it's
placed
in
scanner.
R
His
bill
would
also
allow
for
equipment
that,
like
you,
have
in
putnam
county,
which
is
a
machine
that
you
would
electronically
choose
the
votes,
but
simultaneous
with
that
would
be
a
a
printed
document.
That
kind
of
looks
like
a
receipt.
That's
under
a
glass
that
you
can
see
as
you're
as
you're
casting
your
vote,
who
you've
actually
voted
for.
So
if
that's
the
piece
of
legislation
that
passes,
then
yes
there's
another
bill
out
there.
That
is
sponsored
by
someone
that
would
require
handmark
paper
ballots.
R
C
It's
good
that
it
allows
that
flexibility.
We
have
loved
our
voting
machines
in
wilson
county.
I
have
to
say,
because
it
prints
everything
very
clearly.
You
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
insert
it
into
the
tabulator
and
of
course,
if
there's
ever
a
question,
all
of
those
tabulated
ballots
can
be
taken
out
and
hand
counted,
and
that
seems
very
important.
Something
voters
have
really
really
liked
in
our
county.
So
I
have
a
question
in
the
governor's
proposed
budget
there.
C
It
includes
333
000,
recurring
and
221
000
non-recurring
to
establish
four
new
positions
to
create
a
digital
preservation
infrastructure
for
state
records.
Can
you
provide
us
details
on
this
program
and
the
four
new
positions
and
what
is
the
department
doing
currently
to
preserve
state
records
and
how
will
this
process
differ?.
H
K
Chuck
sheryl
state,
librarian
and
archivist
there
we
go
chuck,
cheryl,
state,
librarian
and
archivist.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
It's
a
rather
a
complicated
situation.
I'll
try
to
make
it
brief.
Basically,
we
are
already
receiving
digital
records
from
departments
such
as
vital
records
or
attorney
general's
office.
K
The
purpose
of
this
special
software,
as
as
I
can
explain
it,
is
basically
if
you
just
keep
one
copy
of
a
digital
file.
You
have
no
assurance
when
you
go
back
to
that
file
that
it
will
not
have
degraded
and
we've
all
you
know,
put
diskettes
in
and
found
out.
They
weren't
readable
that
sort
of
thing.
K
So
this
software
houses,
two
copies
of
everything
that
you
ingest
and
it
constantly
compares
those
two
copies,
and
if
one
copy
is
changing,
if
they
no
longer
match,
then
it
identifies
which
one
is
degrading
and
it
corrects
that
problem
and
overwrites
the
bad
file
with
the
good
one
and,
as
you
get
millions
and
millions
of
bytes
of
data,
this
becomes
all
the
more
important
and
it
appears
to
work
very
well.
K
There
are
at
least
20
other
states
who
are
using
this
product,
and
we
we
feel
we've
been
working
with
the
starter
edition
for
four
years
now
and
we
feel
like
we
understand
it.
We
know
it,
it
does
what
we
need
it
to
do.
K
K
Additionally,
we
do
a
lot
of
work
with
newspapers,
so
all
of
the
tennessee
newspapers
that
we
currently
subscribe
to
on
paper
and
microfilm,
we
would
switch
that
to
a
digital
process.
We
would
house
those
newspapers
and
serve
them
up
in
the
reading,
room,
digitally
and
finally,
for
county
records,
and
this
may
be
the
most
important
piece
statewide.
K
The
many
counties
are
are
already
creating
their
records
in
digital
form,
deeds
and
other
records
in
in
many
cases.
I
would
think
I
can
say
most
cases:
they
are
not
keeping
a
duplicate
digital
copy
and
they
don't
have
a
preservation
system.
That's
making
sure
that
those
digital
files
are
not
degrading,
so
this
bill
would
allow
us
to
take
any
county's
digital
records.
K
Just
as
in
the
past,
we
always
took
their
records
and
microfilm
them
store
those
in
this
preserve
ecosystem
and
have
them
available
for
research
in
the
library
and
archives
and
for
preservation
going
forward.
Should
anything
happen
to
those
original
files
in
the
counties.
C
Manager,
representative,
lynn,
wow,
that
is
amazing,
are
you
sure
you
have
to
retire?
Are
you
sure
that
is
a
lot
of
work?
I'm
wondering
if
mr
secretary
told
you
about
my
relatives
civil
war
diary
that
I've
said
forever.
I
will
bring
to
the
library
and
archives
and
I
just
haven't
yet
I've
said
it
for
years
we
keep
waiting.
C
I
know
well,
he
brought
up,
he
brought
up
a
war
diary,
so
I
I
thought
you
had
said
something
so
this.
You
know
digital
copies
of
of
things.
It
takes
up
a
lot
of
memory,
are,
do
we
store
the
data
on
site,
or
is
this
all
cloud-based
where,
where
is
where
are
all
these
images
stored?.
C
K
C
L
Thank
you
secretary
for
being
here
today.
Obviously
I've
gotten
to
see
mark
goins,
probably
more
this
year
than
I've
ever
gotten,
to
see
him
in
election
subcommittee.
So
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
elections
and
voting
machines
and
the
like.
I
just
had
a
quick
question
about
the
help:
help
america
vote
act
and
those
monies
there
were
five
counties.
I
think
that
were
supposed
to
originally
benefit
from
those
machines
or
some
purchasing
machines.
Were
there
any
supply
chain
issues
as
it
related
to
new
machines
regarding
those
five
counties
or
no.
H
R
L
L
I
know
that
the
this
committee
has
a
bill
in
front
of
us.
That
would
would
help
do
that.
Are
there
any
things
the
legislature
can
do
to
help
ensure
other
than
funding
that
this
process
goes
forward
and
are?
Are
you
comfortable?
I
think
it's
representative
bricken
has
a
bill
that
allows
for
this
verifiable
paper
trail.
Are
there
any
other
things
that
that
maybe
we
hadn't
seen
that
we
need
to
be
paying
attention
to.
H
That's
a
great
question:
representative
williams
number
one
you're
right,
representative
bricken's
bill
would
accommodate
that
number.
Two.
Frankly,
you
have
in
the
past,
given
us
great
laws
that
have
lent
itself
to
voter
integrity
and
voter
confidence.
H
R
You
know
if
there
was
one
area
of
enhancement.
I
I
do
like
where
we
are
as
far
as
the
laws.
The
laws
are
great,
but
I
think
we
could
enhance
the
audit
procedures
that
we
have
thank
you
other
than
that
and
there's
some
legislation.
L
Well,
thank
you.
I
I
do
think
it's
it's
good.
We
ask
people
all
the
time
in
my
business.
Is
everybody
says
they
do
quality
work,
but
when
other
people
are
talking
about
the
work
you
do
that
it's
outside
your
department,
you
know
you're
doing
a
great
job.
We
do
have
a
fantastic
elections.
Division
here
in
the
state
and
other
states
look
to
us
not
just
for
how
we
do
it,
but
also
how
we
intend
on
leading
and
so
you'd
be.
L
H
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
glad,
to
see
you
guys
today
and
thank
you
for
the
job
you
do
for
our
state.
I'm
always
bragging
on
you
back
home
to
our
constituents
and
and
I'm
proud
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I
want
to
ask
you
quickly
about
the
department's
safe
at
home
program
and,
if
you
can
give
me
an
update
on
the
program
and
how
many
individuals
are
enrolled
in
that.
H
H
G
H
Did
it
have
an
impact?
Probably
the
greater
impact
obvious
is
when
we
reduce
fees
down
to
ten
dollars
for
all
filings
with
our
office,
so
but
our
surplus.
While
we
reduced
fees,
1.9
million
dollars,
we
didn't
see
a
1.9
million
reduction
in
our
surplus,
so
funds
still
continue
to
come
in
something
you're.
Also
going
to
see,
though,
is
we
speaking
of
charitable
gaming?
H
I
believe
we
are
going
to
have
a
record
number
of
organizations
come
through
on
the
omnibus
list
that
you're
about
to
see
come
before
your
body,
so
a
lot
more
organizations
out
there
applying
a
few
years
back,
you
extended
the
deadline
from
december
31st
to
january
31st.
We
feel,
like
that's,
had
an
impact,
certainly
on
late
applications
as
well,
and
we
also
have
enclosures
we
put
into
our
mailings
that
we
send
out
to
people
making
them
aware
of
what
the
opportunity
is
to
have
these
types
of
events.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
E
Thank
you.
I
was
about
to
say
that
it
seems
like
I
just
left
these
three
gentlemen
now
short
weekend,
but
by
the
way
I
do
want
to
say
how
much
I
enjoy
librarian
archives
and
all
of
the
information
that
I
was
able
to
learn
this
week,
because
I'll
be
honest,
I
had
not
spent
that
much
time
there
before
and
you
guys
are
doing
an
ex
a
wonderful
job.
Thank
you
so
much
appreciate
it.
I
I
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
serve
on
that
panel.
E
My
questions
around
fantasy
sports
today,
you
know
back
in
2016,
we
established
that
process
for
the
license
of
online
fantasy
sporting
and
and
what
what
I
would
like
to
ask
is
what
is
the
current
status
of
the
online
fantasy
sports
operation
in
the
state
right
now.
H
Okay,
we
have
eight
operators.
I
think
we
have
an
application
for
a
ninth
one,
but
I
hope
that's
correct
if
it's
not
I'll,
come
back
to
you
and
correct
that
information
and
there
are,
as
of
the
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
almost
125
000
tennesseans
have
fantasy
sports
accounts.
H
H
So
you
know,
I
think,
we're
still
going
to
have
every
once
in
a
while,
possibly
another
one,
each
year,
another
fantasy
sports
operator
each
year,
but
that's
kind
of
what
we
were
seeing
after
the
initial.
You
know
four
or
five
that
originally
applied
to
operate
in
tennessee.
B
On
the
fantasy
sports
betting
operations,
is
there
consolidation
in
that
industry
or
potential
of
consolidation?
We
have
these
multiple
sports
bettings,
but
is
that
going
to
be
like
banking
and
everywhere
else?
I
swear.
H
That's
interesting,
you
mentioned
it.
I
think
there's
certainly
that
opportunity
and
in
fact
I
suspect,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
smaller
ones,
that,
like
some
community
banks,
open
up
with
the
entire
idea
that
hey
we're
gonna
be
sold
in
four
to
five
years,
so
I
think
you'll
see
some
of
that.
You
know,
but
from
my
perspective,
certainly,
if
you
look
at
the
advertisings
going
around
the
state,
I
think
this
trend
is
certainly
more
toward
the
online
betting
than
it
is
fantasy
sports.
H
B
Thank
you
and
I
there's
I
have
conflicting
emotions
about
that.
I.
B
And
we
do-
and
I
think
it's
interesting-
that
we
have
some
of
those
monies
set
aside
to
deal
with
addictions
that
we
know
will
result
or,
if
they're
not
there
already.
But
I
will
just
step
down
from
my
pulpit
chairman
crawford.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chairleigh.
I
want
to
step
back
and
talk
about
the
voting
machines
and
the
paper
trail
kind
of
thing.
E
I
know
that
in
my
county
and
a
few
other
counties
that
we
have
purchased
these
new
machines,
is
there
any
consideration
for
you
guys
going
back
and
and
maybe
retro
dating
this
to
people
that
had
bought
the
machines
you
know
in
this
year
since
january,
because
I
know
you
all
have
the
money
to
pay
for
them
and
it's
it's
a
huge
expense
for
our
small
counties
like
400,
some
thousand
dollars
alone
in
my
county,
and
I'm
really
concerned
about
that.
Has
there
been
any
consideration.
H
R
I
can't
figure
out
a
way
under
the
confines
of
the
help
america
vote
act
to
make
it
work.
You
know,
after
the
fact,
someone's
already
purchased
it,
so
the
legislation's
moving
forward
it
it
would
go
after
you
know,
people
have
already
purchased
their
equipment.
It
is
a
timing
issue,
and
I
understand
you
know
from
sullivan
county's
point
of
view.
You
know
we
just
missed
this
by
a
few
months,
but
I
can't
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it.
Having
said
that,
61
counties
have
not
upgraded
of
those
61
counties.
R
Some
of
those
have
not
had
a
second
by
the
apple,
so
this
will
be
additional,
so
basically
they're
getting
what
sulfon
county
would
have
gotten,
plus
a
little
bit
more
45
of
those
counties
did
an
upgrade
a
few
years
ago,
but
they
didn't
utilize
all
the
funds
that
was
allotted
to
them,
so
so,
when
it
comes
down
to
it,
sullivan
county
will
not
be
getting
this.
If
the
legislation
passes
an
all
candor,
they
will
not
because
of
the
time
they
purchase,
they
will
not
be
getting
the
same
share
that
some
of
these
other
counties
got.
R
H
But
chairman
we
are,
we
are
looking
for
a
solution
to
that.
Just
to
so
I
know
he's
talked
about
the
obstacles
doing
that,
but
we
are
looking
for
a
solution
because
I
agree
with
you.
It
doesn't
seem
it's
not
fair
that
here
you
have
a
county,
that's
gone
ahead
and
made
the
made
this
purchase,
and
then
the
legislature
may
come
in
a
few
months
later
and
and
come
behind
that
and
and
do
something
extra
for
other
counties.
So
we
continue
to
look
for
a
solution.
Yeah
and.
R
Then
the
other
thing
that
doesn't
say
in
all
canada,
I'm
just
being
okay,
you
know
putting
it
all
out
there.
The
other
thing
is:
there's
there's
a
few
counties
that
when
they
had
the
opportunity
to
get
the
second
by
the
apple,
what
I
mean
by
that
everyone
had
money
at
the
onset
to
buy
equipment.
Then
they
had
another
allocated
amount
of
funds
to
get
a
second
about
the
apple.
Some
counties
chose
not
to
go
to
paper,
even
though
we
had
recommended
it,
and
so
that
we're
coming
in
kind
of
rewarding
those
individuals.
R
That
did
not
take
our
advice.
You
know
three
four
years
ago,
so
that's
another
component
of
it.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
and
secretary,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
you
said
to
to
to
draw
your
co-worker
over
from
from
the
library
south
of
us,
but
it
it
looks
like
it
would
be
just
his
home
or
just
at
home
in
a
ski
resort
as
it
would
be
in
in
williamson
county.
So
so
good
work,
a
question
that
I
know
I
get
asked
a
lot.
I'm
sure
you
do
as
well
on
absentee
ballots
and-
and
I
know
the
rules
changed
a
little
bit
through
an
executive
order.
H
Okay,
I'll
try
and
help
with
that
mark
you,
you
know
kind
of
like
a
song
from
prince.
I
was
dreaming
when
I
wrote
this.
Forgive
me
if
I
go
astray,
but
if
I
can
you
know
what
I,
what
I
would
say
is
somebody
in
tennessee.
Tennessee
is
a
state
where,
if
you
want
an
absolute
ballot,
you're
responsible
for
making
that
request
yourself
to
your
local
election
commission,
you
submit
that
request.
H
They
verify
your
signature
to
make
sure
that
is
in
fact
you
if
it
is
in
fact
you
they
in
turn
mail,
the
absolute
ballot
back
out
to
you
when
you
send
your
ballot
back
in
there's
an
outer
envelope.
They
again
match
the
signature
on
the
outer
envelope
and
it
has
to
be
mailed
back
in
there
are
those
drop
boxes
and
you're
responsible
for
your
own
ballot.
You
are
you
know
in
tennessee,
you're
not
allowed
to
go
and
collect
somebody
else's
ballot
and
turn
that
in
for
them.
H
There's
an
age
restriction,
60
and
above
but
there's
also,
there
are
really
14
different
14
different
reasons
by
which
someone
can
request
an
absolute
ballot
in
the
state
of
tennessee
60
and
above
typically,
you
know
if
you're
military,
you're
living
you're
living
away
from
your
home
residents,
you're
going
to
be
out
of
town
those
are
or
if
you
are,
you
know,
if
you're
disabled
you're,
you're
ill.
You
know
those
are
different
reasons
as
well,
but
there
are
14
different
reasons
in
tennessee.
H
You
can
use
to
request
an
absolute
ballot
and
then
cast
an
absolute
ballot.
N
Thank
you
secretary,
one
of
the
the
recurring
questions
I
get
anytime,
I'm
speaking
to
a
community
group
are
college
age,
kids
that
want
to
make
it
easier
for
them
to
vote
in
in
elections
back
home
that
they
deeply
care
and
care
about,
and
they
they
find
they
find
it
difficult
if
they've
not
voted
an
election
if
they
kind
of
fell
in
that
that
odd
time
to
to
vote,
how
do
you
recommend
I
answer
and
and
how
do
you?
What
are
you
doing?
H
Well
sure,
so
you
know
we
do
an
excel
a
lot
of
advertising.
You
know,
frankly,
on
social
media
or
different.
You
know
whether
it's
facebook
instagram
twitter,
actually,
we
don't
advertise
on
twitter
just
because
of
some
of
the
complexities,
the
expense
of
that
we're.
Also,
we've
done
vote
registration
drives.
In
fact,
representative
gillespie
was
with
me
at
the
university
of
memphis
football
game
earlier
this
year,
we're
getting
people
to
register.
H
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
could
really
encourage
people
to
actually
participate
in
the
election
is
they
want.
They
want
to
know
that
there
are
candidates
and
there
are
ideas
that
they
can
be
supportive
of,
and
so
to
me,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
really
drives
turnout
so,
but
we
also
we
work
with
all
95
countless
commissions
work
to
try
and
get
every
possible
person
registered.
They
go
into
high
schools.
H
And
so
one
of
the
things
we
we
talk
a
lot
about
is
having
a
plan
to
be
able
to
go
and
vote.
You
know
you
could
certainly
request
an
abstine
ballot
and
get
that
back
in
and
there's
plenty
of
time
to
do
that.
What
we
find
a
lot
of
times
is
the
parent
of
a
student's,
a
lot
more
interested
in
going
them
going
to
both
and
the
student
themselves
actually
is.
H
H
You
know
also
something
that
people
need
to
understand
is
that
if
you
registered
to
vote
online,
you
can
still
go
to
your
local
election
commission
present
in
person,
regardless
this
election
day
or
not
to
be
able
to
verify
who
you
are,
there's
also
ample
early
voting
by
which
people
you
know
who
live
in
state
or
the
nearby
states
can
come
back
home
and
be
able
to
register.
M
Former
secretary
and
obviously
I
say
this
all
the
time
but
you're
my
favorite
secretary
of
state
in
the
entire
nation-
and
you
do
a
great
job
for
us
here
in
tennessee.
So
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
that
question
and
say:
look
when
when
we
saw
kind
of
chaos
in
other
states
on
what
rules
were
going
to
be
followed,
how
their
elections
were
going
to
run
when
everybody
else
was
just
struggling
through
the
pandemic,
to
make
sure
folks
ballots
would
be
cast
and
and
counted
exactly
as
they
were
cast.
M
Here
you
made
sure
that
folks
had
access
to
the
ballot,
and,
quite
frankly,
it
appeared
to
me
that
you've
been
able
backwards
to
make
sure
that,
just
as
representative
freeman
said
I
mean
his
constituents
wish
to
go
out
and
vote
and
mine
did
in
large
numbers
as
well,
and-
and
we
appreciate
that-
and
so
I
just
want
to
say,
I
know
that
other
states
have
had
court
cases
that
have
gone
against
their
secretary
of
state
since
the
election,
indicating
that
they
went
well
beyond
kind
of
their
duties.
M
You
you
stuck
well
within
the
bounds
of
where
the
legislature
had
put
the
laws,
and
I
appreciate
that.
I
also
want
to
appreciate
and
say
that
I
appreciate
the
fact
that,
with
a
lot
of
the
online
registration
options
and
the
early
voting
options
that
you
all
have
really
championed
over
the
years,
my
constituents
have
found
that
extremely
helpful.
Whenever
they've
moved,
whenever
they've
moved
into
my
district
or
around
in
my
district,
to
be
able
to
keep
their
their
registration
up
to
date.
M
So
I
I
quite
frankly
have
done
it,
but
I
think
you've
done
a
better
job
than
than
the
other
49
secretary
of
state's
out
there
in
the
country
and
making
sure
that
folks,
if
you
want
to
vote
in
tennessee,
it
is
literally
easier
to
vote
here
than
just
about
anywhere
else
in
the
country,
and
I
see
some
of
these
other
states
that
will
get
a
lot
of
headlines
so
to
speak
and
instead
of
getting
headlines,
you've
just
been
getting
results.
M
C
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
when
my
colleague
from
davidson
county
asked
that
question
I
was
wondering
if
maybe
this
is
what
he
was
getting
at.
My
daughter
turned
18.
Her
birthday
is
october
26th,
so
it
was
before
the
election.
It
was
an
election
year
was
before
the
election
and
but
after
the
primary,
and
we
were
hoping
that
she'd
be
able
to
vote
because
she
was.
C
It
was
outside
of
the
30
days
before
the
election
to
register
to
vote.
I'm
reasonably
sure
she
voted
for
her
mother,
but
I
know
that
the
law
allows
someone
who's
turning
18
to
register
30
days
before
the
election,
even
though
they
haven't
turned
18.
They
can
still
register
as
long
as
they'll
be
18
by
election
day,
and
I
I
was
I
didn't
know
if
that's
what
my
colleague
from
davidson
county
was
getting
at,
but
it
does
allow
someone
who
their
birthday
is
in
between
that
registration
of
the
30
days.
C
O
Mr
secretary
just
want
to
tell
you
mark,
thank
you,
and
you
were
in
my
community,
I
guess
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
and
it
was
it
was
interesting
and
we
we
visited
it
was.
It
was
fun
that
was,
we
visited
new
vision,
baptist
church
talked
about
addiction
and
their
recovery
efforts
there
to
work
in
our
in
our
jail.
940
visited
african-american,
church,
stone's,
your
battlefield
and
you're,
very
attentive
and
and
our
library.
O
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
publicly
for
the
for
your
passion,
you're,
probably
the
hardest
working
guy,
I
dare
say
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
anytime,
we
texture
or
call
you.
You
answer
the
phone.
I
appreciate
it
and
also
want
to
just
give
a
shout
out
to
alan
farley
and
our
election
commission
back
home
for
the
great
job
they
do.
Thank
you.
B
All
right!
Well,
I
think,
oh
I'm
sorry,
representative,
shaw.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'll,
be
very
brief.
I
I
did
want
to
say
after
spending
the
weekend
and
after
serving
on
the
panel,
I
am
convinced
that
tennessee
is
one
of
the
best
states
in
this
whole
united
states
when
it
comes
to
registering
and
voting
and
our
constituents
having
an
opportunity
to
freely
do
that.
E
I
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
every
legislator
to
just
spend
some
time
with
you
guys
and
to
see
how
it's
done
and
how
easy
you
make
it.
I
learned
a
lot
of
other
states
far
behind
where
we
are-
and
I
thank
you
all
for
a
job
well
done,
and
I'm
convinced
that
anybody
in
the
state
of
tennessee
or
registered
folk
can
do
that
and
and
being
qualified
to
do
that,
and
I
appreciate
that.
H
B
All
right,
well
again,
we
appreciate
the
time
this
morning
and
mr
cheryl
it
would
be.
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
express
the
gratitude
for
this
committee
and
this
legislative
body
for
the
work
that
you've
done
for
the
state.
I
know
that
you're
not
going
to
be
replaced.
B
Somebody
will
have
to
try
and
fill
your
shoes,
but
I'm
quite
sure
that's
not
going
to
be
possible.
So
we
may
have
the
secretary
coming
before
us
next
year
with
two
or
three
slots.
He
needs
to
try
and
replace,
and-
and
we
would
we
would
understand-
but
maybe
not
agree,
but
we
do
sincerely.
The
state
of
tennessee
is
in
your
debt
for
the
work
that
you've
done
for
our
state,
and
we
just
wish
you
the
best
in
retirement
and
hope
that
you
have
a
great
next
chapter
in
your
life.
B
And
mr
secretary,
I
want
to
add
my
personal
thanks
to
those
that
have
been
expressed
here
today.
There
may
or
may
not
be
issues
across
the
state
in
terms
across
this
country
in
terms
of
voter
integrity
and
election
integrity,
but
I
am
personally
convinced
that
in
tennessee
our
elections
are
fair.
B
B
B
B
B
This
committee
has
a
special
affinity
for
your
department,
as
you
are
the
the
stream
from
which
our
revenues
come
to
us
for
dispersal.
We
appreciate
your
work
in
getting
those
dollars
to
us
and
are
interested
in
seeing
what
your
proposal
is
for
your
departmental
budget
for
the
upcoming
year.
So,
commissioner
gargano
please
proceed.
S
Thank
you
chair,
lady
hazelwood
and
committee
members.
I'm
david
gerigno,
commissioner
of
revenue,
joining
me
today
on
my
right
is
amanda
mcgraw,
our
chief
financial
officer
and
on
her
right
is
justin
moorhead,
our
chief
of
staff,
and,
as
always,
we
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
before
you
and
present
our
budget
for
the
upcoming
year
and
madam
chair.
Our
proposal
includes
one
request
for
cost:
increase,
one
request
to
establish
positions
using
existing
funds
and
one
request
for
reduction
in
appropriations.
S
Yes,
turning
the
first
slide
on
the
first
two
items,
I'll
have
specific,
slides
in
just
a
moment,
but
briefly
we're
requesting
1.5
million
dollars
in
recurring
funds
for
license
plates
and
we're
requesting
permission
to
establish
six
positions
in
our
motor
vehicle
insurance
verification
program,
using
funds
that
are
already
existing
in
that
program.
S
Madam
chair,
with
respect
to
the
third
item
that
that
would
be
funding
for
a
bill
that
the
department
has
since
filing
that
bill.
We've
had
further
discussions
with
additional
stakeholders
and
decided
now
is
not
the
right
time
for
that
bill,
so
we
are
not
moving
forward
with
that.
I
think
that
item
will
be
adjusted
in
the
governor's
budget
amendment.
S
But
turning
first
to
our
request
with
respect
to
license
plates
manager,
we
issue
about
1.7
million
plates
each
year
for
new
motor
vehicle
registrations,
for
example,
if
a
car
is
purchased
and
needs
a
new
plate
or
a
new
resident
moves
into
the
state
needs
to
put
a
plate
on
their
car.
S
Those
are
the
types
of
plates
we
issue
on
a
year
and
year
out
basis,
also
for
renewals
of
existing
registrations.
We
issue
a
renewal
decal,
the
annual
appropriation
of
4.1
million
dollars
to
fund
those
costs
has
not
been
increased
since
2008
we're
requesting
a
cost
increase
of
1.5
million
dollars
to
meet
that
need,
and
these
funds
do
not
actually
come
from
the
general
fund.
Instead,
there
are
earmarked
out
of
motor
vehicle
registration
fees.
S
Currently,
each
week
we
contact
approximately
7
500
vehicle
owners
on
a
weekly
basis
and
answer
more
than
2
000
calls
that
result
from
those
contacts
to
put
that
into
context.
S
In
addition,
we're
requesting
that
the
state
appropriation
dedicated
this
program
be
reduced
by
768
thousand
dollars.
The
program
is
funded
by
state
appropriations,
as
well
as
revenue
generated
by
those
coverage,
failure,
fees
and
even
with
the
six
new
positions,
there
will
continue
to
be
adequate
funding
in
the
program.
S
Seven
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
in
the
authority
to
create
six
additional
positions
and
we
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
I
apologize.
I
think
I
butchered
your
name,
you
think
after
this
point
in
time
I
would
know
it's
garagano,
so
I
I
do
sincerely
apologize.
Thank
you.
We
do
have
a
number
of
questions
and
beginning
with
representative
campbell.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner.
I
want
to
focus
on
the
license
plates.
I
know
that
there
have
been
issues
with
the
vendors
being
able
to
read
the
new
plates.
Can
you
provide
us
an
update
on
those
new
license
plates
and
brief
people
on
the
issue?
Also,
will
there
be
a
change
to
the
plates
or
will
the
vendors
need
to
make
changes
in
order
to
resolve
this?
Thank
you.
F
S
You
representative,
you
know,
we
know
that
the
current
plate
can
be
read
by
some,
but
not
all
of
the
plate.
Readers
and
it's
a
nighttime
issue.
All
of
the
readers
star
knowledge
read
the
plates
during
the
day,
but
there
are
some
camera
models
that
are
currently
unable
or
having
difficulty
reading
those
at
night,
and
you
know
the
the
license
plate.
S
We've
been
working
on
that
and
are,
I
think,
coming
close
to
having
some
direction.
But
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
fully
informed
direction,
and
you
know
that
we
move
appropriately
forward.
F
S
Yes,
sir,
I
don't
know
of
any
other
issues.
I
think
the
the
the
the
distribution
of
those
plates
is
going
well
and
everything
has
been
positive.
B
S
Well,
you
know,
I
think,
we're
still
currently
making
sure
we
know
everything
there
is
to
know.
That's,
as
I
was
saying,
there's
there's
a
number
of
different
companies,
a
number
of
different
models
of
cameras
and
it's
all
sort
of
out
there
in
the
in
the
private
market,
and
so
we've
been
had
to
go
out
and
sort
of
learn.
S
S
Yeah,
generally
speaking,
I
mean,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
we've
learned
is
that
you
know
with
with
the
colored
plates.
There
are.
S
There
may
not
be
a
lot.
We
can
do
short
of
going
back
to
a
white
plate.
You
know
with
a
with
black
letters
and
so-
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
that's
that
states
broadly
can
be
sort
of
restricted
to
that.
So
those
are
some
of
the
nuances
we're
we're
trying
to
determine
in
terms
of
what's
the
best.
What's
the
best
path
forward.
S
B
Well,
I
guess
some
of
the
concern
would
be
I'm
just
you
know,
as
time
is
passing
more
and
more
of
those
plates
every
month
are
getting,
you
know
out
their
own
vehicles
as
people
are
renewing
their
registration.
So
we
look
forward
to
some
direction
in
terms
of
a
solution
for
that
representative
sexton
you're
recognized.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
question
I
have
it
has
to
do
with
uninsured
motorists
and
in
2015
there
was
the
verification
program
started,
and
I
was
wondering
if,
after
this
program
was
started,
are
you
seeing
any?
I
know
the
governor's
proposal
in
this
in
his
budget
was
for
six
new
positions,
but
is
the
department
seeing
an
increase
in
the
number
of
uninsured
motorists,
or
is
there
just
an
increase
in
the
total
number
of
motorists
in
tennessee
and
the
percentages
of
those
without
insurance
is
similar
to
previous
years?.
S
Yes,
sir,
thanks
for
the
question
I
mean,
certainly
the
number
of
cars
on
the
road
does
continue
to
grow
and
the
number
of
uninsured
or
you
know
to
be
specific.
We
use
the
term
unconfirmed
because
we
do
find
that
some
of
the
registrations
in
policies
that
don't
match
or
data
issues
and
those
people
do
actually
have
insurance.
S
Some
percentage
of
of
unconfirmed
are
actually
insured,
but
obviously
a
significant
percentage
are
uninsured,
but
the
number
of
unconfirmed
continues
to
decline,
but
at
a
slower
and
slower
rate
so
and
that's
as
the
number
of
cars
go
up,
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
period
as
a
whole,
since
2017
unconfirmed
has
gone
from
from
27
unconfirmed
to
18,
so
it's
a
you
can
think
of
that
as
a
nine
percent
draw.
But
it's
really
a
third
of
the
unconfirmed.
You
know.
S
A
third
of
the
unconfirmed
have
now
become
confirmed,
but
over
the
last
a
couple
of
years
I
think,
a
year
and
a
half
ago
that
that
percentage
came
down
one
percent.
Last
year
it
came
down
half
a
percent,
so
it's
continuing
to
decline,
but
at
a
slower
pace
or
rate.
And
so,
if
we're,
it's
really
a
function
of
manpower
to
be
able
to
contact
more
people.
So
we
want
to
add
additional
positions
so
that
we
can
contact
more
people
at
a
at
a
faster
rate
to
try
to
continue
to
drive
that
number
down.
S
G
S
Work
yeah,
it's
it's
really
that
the
insurance
companies
provide
us
with
their
book
of
business.
So
you
know
all
of
their
policies
for
private
passenger
motor
vehicles,
and
so
we
have
that
as
a
database
and
we
have
our
registrations
as
a
database
and
we
use
the
ven.
We
cross
check
the
vins
that
are
registered
versus
the
vends
that
have
insurance
and
generate
on
a
monthly
basis,
a
a
list
of
vins
that
are
have
a
registration,
but
do
not.
But
we
cannot
show
an
insurance
policy.
S
In
the
sense
that
there
are
about
a
million
vehicles
on
the
road
which,
for
which
we
cannot
ensure,
cannot
verify
insurance
and
we're
contacting
just
shy
of
400
000
a
year.
So
in
a
sense
you
know
that
that's
the
rate
at
which
we're
contacting
people,
if,
if
we
get
these
additional
positions,
we'll
increase
that
to
contacting
around
600
000
of
those
million
so
about
60
a
year.
B
Thank
you,
and
I
guess
of
those.
B
Those
numbers
can
you
when
you
contact
them,
what
sort
of
success
rate
or
how
long
does
it
take
for
them
to
get
their
insurance
and
do
we
know
if
they
get
their
insurance
for
30
days
and
then
discontinuing
how
much
of
a
revolving
door
do
we
have
there?
Do
you
think.
S
Yeah,
I
don't
know
that
we
have
data
if,
if,
while
I'm
talking,
if
somebody
on
my
team
has
has
something
they
can
add,
I
invite
them
to
do
that.
S
But
I
think
certainly
you
know
some
people
receive
a
contact
for
us
and
they
actually
have
insurance,
there's
just
a
matching
problem
and
that
can
get
resolved
pretty
quick
with
a
phone
call
for
folks
who
don't
have
insurance
they
will
receive,
they
will
either
get
insurance
and
provide
that
information
to
us
or
they'll
receive
a
second
and
then
a
third
and
then
a
fourth
letter
and
those
subsequent
letters
involve
them
paying
fees
and
ultimately
having
a
suspensions-
and
I
think
our
was
the
amount
of
our
fees.
Last
year,
amanda.
B
S
1.7,
so
we
received
about
1.7
million
dollars
in
coverage,
failure
fees
last
year,
so
that
that
indicates
a
significant
number
of
people
who
didn't
initially
respond.
You
know,
but
eventually
they
they
have
to
or
they
won't
be
able
to
renew
their
registration.
S
I
don't
know
that
we
have
a
number
for
that,
but
but
the
fact
that
that
one
million
unconfirmed
is
difficult
to
move
down
indicates
that
a
lot
of
those
folks
are
probably
getting
insurance
to
get
re
to
get
renewed
and
then
and
then
they
go
back
into
uninsured.
B
Thank
you,
leader,
lambert.
M
As
the
commissioner
recalled,
it
was
the
bill
that
I
carried
several
years
ago
that
actually
sparked
this
conversation,
because
at
the
time
we
had
27,
uninsured
or
higher,
and
this
system
was
developed,
and
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
an
update
on
this
really
the
question
I
had
and
two
questions
really
one.
I
know
we're
sending
out
the
notifications,
but
it
was
my
understanding
at
the
time
that
the
bill
passed
that
if
someone
just
refuses
to
get
insurance,
I
mean,
obviously
that
is
part
of
the
rules
of
the
road
you
have
to
be
licensed.
M
You
have
to
have
your
car
registered
and
you
have
to
have
insurance.
I
mean
that's,
that's
just
what
it
is.
If
you
want
to
drive
in
tennessee,
that's
for
your
protection,
nobody
else
is
around
you,
but
if
you
just
absolutely
refused
to
and
you
you
just
paid
those
fines
and
said
I'm
not
going
to
get
insurance
from
my
vehicle,
then
they
had
to
prove
insurance
before
they
could
get
the
car
re-registered.
M
We
didn't
make
everybody
come
in
and
prove
insurance
at
the
point
of
registration,
because
that
just
backlogs
the
clerk's
office.
But
have
you
been
able
to
compare
notes
with
the
clerks
to
see
how
many
of
these
folks
are
coming
in
at
the
time
of
re-registration?
Even
if
they
didn't
do
the
notices,
but
then
did
later
come
in
and
get
their
registration
with
proof
of
insurance.
G
F
G
Registration,
they
would
have
to
show
proof
of
insurance
at
the
time.
I
do
feel
like
that's
likely.
M
Peter
lambert
damon,
I'm
chairman,
and
if
you
could
give
me
those
that
information
that
would
be
wonderful
and
then
the
only
other
question
that
I
have
is
you
mentioned.
You
know
six
positions
here,
but
the
undershirt
motorist
id
fund
has
just
over
12
million
dollars
in
that
reserve
and
that's
in
large
part,
I
think
from
the
the
fines
that
have
come
in
over
the
last
seven
years.
M
Unless
I
have
been
misinformed
as
to
what's
built
that
fund
up,
there
may
be
some
other
things
that
have
gone
into
it,
but
I
think
that's
primarily
fees
that
have
come
in
from
individuals
that
have
refused
to
be
insured
so
and
again.
Driving
is
a
privilege
in
this
state.
I
mean
it's
again:
that's
the
rules
of
the
road.
You
have
to
have
insurance.
M
So,
instead
of
just
six
positions,
I
mean
why
not
go
ahead
and
go
up
to
the
million
that
you
know
are
out
there
ping
all
these
and
go
ahead
and
contact
these
folks
and
make
it
clear
and
that
that
was
our
intention
of
the
legislature
years
ago
was
for
this
to
get
to
some
get.
This
get
this
to
a
juncture
where
it
brings
that
27
down
not
just
to
18
but
hopefully,
eventually
down
to
zero
percent,
because
the
systems
are
in
place
right
now,
it's
just
a
manpower
issue.
S
Yes,
sir,
I
appreciate
the
question
I
think
we're
looking
for
a
balance.
I
mean
this
will
be
the
second
time
we've
increased
the
number
of
positions
and
really
the
third
time
that
we've
requested
a
decrease
in
the
appropriation.
The
the
reserve
is
built,
you're
right
from
fees,
but
also
the
appropriation
is
there
as
well,
so
we're
trying
to
sort
of
get
those
two
in
balance,
but
not
not
move
too
quickly
and
make
sure
we
don't.
S
You
know
overshoot
something
we
feel
like
an
additional
six
right
now,
based
on
who
we
can
likely
hire
and
train
and
get
put
in
place
is
probably
we
felt
like
the
best
the
best
number
for
this
year,
but
we
we
always
continue
to
look
at
that
and
again.
This
is
the
second
time
we've
increased.
That
number
and
we
can
certainly
look
at
it
later.
Lambert.
M
Chairman
last
kind
of
point
on
this:
if
the
six
works
out
well
this
year,
I
mean,
I
hope
at
least
again,
given
that
reserve
balance
and
the
number
of
uninsured
drivers
that
we
obviously
still
have
out
there
for
everyone's
safety.
I
hope
that
we
would
potentially
look
at
increasing
that
again
an
additional
six
or
more
next
year,
and
so
I
mean
I
think
the
numbers
have
shown
this
program
is
working
and
the
technology
is
there
for
it
to
even
work
better.
M
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
darrigano
for
being
here
just
to
follow
up
the
fund
balance.
I
think
of
the
disaster
relief
fund
at
the
end
of
last
year
was
about
3.85
million
dollars.
I
guess
since
then,
we've
had
in
waverly
the
the
floods.
There
wondered
what
the
fund
balance
was.
Have
people
been
able
to
utilize
those
funds
at
all?
Since
that
period
of
time,
do
you
know.
S
P
Amanda
mcgraw
chief
financial
officer
to
my
knowledge
of
that
fund
balance
has.
S
Represented
williams,
it's
it's
actually
to
be
candid.
Surprisingly,
few
people
take
advantage
of
that
sales
tax
refund.
We
found
that
to
be
true
over
time,
not
just
with
any
one
particular
event
we
try
to.
We
put
out
press
releases,
we
use
social
media
and
those
sort
of
things
to
increase
awareness
when
appropriate.
We,
you
know,
we,
I
think
we
work
with
teama
to
to
piggyback
on
some
of
the
things
they're
doing
to
get
that
information
out
there,
but
it
is
it
is.
L
Right,
the
reason
for
the
question
for
me
is
mainly
because,
before
waverly
floods,
there
were
the
march
3rd
tornadoes
before
those
there
were,
the
fires
and
the
smokies,
it
seems
like
we
have
a
great
opportunity
here
to
fund
help,
give
tax
relief
to
citizens
based
upon
these
disasters,
but
it's
almost
as
if
the
the
process
is
so
cumbersome
or
their
insurance
companies
are
saying
well
we're
paying
the
taxes
anyways.
It's
not
worth
putting
all
that.
You
know
not
worth
putting
all
this
paperwork
together
to
do
it.
L
We're
looking
at
reform
right
now
in
the
way
that
we
do
claims
on
our
highways,
for
the
very
same
reason,
we're
carrying
fund
balances
and
no
one's
using
we're,
really
not
paying
them,
and
so
I
guess
the
question
would
be,
or
the
comment
would
be
we
would
be.
I
think
it
would
be
in
our
best
interest
to
provide
this
service
to
the
citizens
if
we
could
find
a
way
that
makes
it
more
streamlined
or
more
effective
to
where
people
can
actually
get
these
funds
directly
to
in
their
hands.
L
Because
I
know
when
I
was
in
the
when
the
tornadoes
happened
here
and
all
across
the
state.
You
know
there
was
a
push
to
try
to
do
some
kind
of
relief
for
these,
these
folks
or
or
help
offset
their
costs
associated
with
disaster
recovery.
But
in
the
end,
much
like
we
have
a
bill
this
year
for
the
flood
victims.
It's
very
difficult
to
be
able
to
to
isolate
that.
L
But
I
do
think
this
is
one
area
where
we
can
can
help,
even
if
it's
a
a
small
grant
per
per
person
who
was
devastated
by
a
tornado
or
flood
or
something
like
that
to
where
the
money's
disseminated
one
time
to
one
family.
To
me,
it
just
seems
like
it'll,
be
a
much
better
use
of
the
fund
or,
if
we're
not
going
to
use
it,
then
just
close
the
program
all
together
and
do
something
else.
But
I
appreciate
your
hard
work
there.
L
B
I
That
is
correct.
I
I
do
know
well
enough
to
bring
the
great
beloved
justin
p
wilson
with
me:
comptroller
jason
mumpower
for
the
record
drew
hawkins,
jennifer
pfeiffer
right
over
here,
brian
kenzie
and
ken
morrell
members.
Thank
you
for
having
us
here
for
our
budget
hearing.
It's
always
good
to
be
behind
the
tax
man.
The
legislature
appropriates
it.
The
department
of
revenue
brings
it
in
and
then
we
audit
it
so
unique
timing
of
these
things.
Today.
I
I
There
is
something
unique
about
the
comptroller's
office
budget
this
year.
As
you
all
know,
over
the
past
two
years,
the
federal
government
has
flooded
every
state,
tennessee
being
one
of
them
with
billions
of
dollars
of
federal
money.
The
moment
that
we
accept
that
money.
We
ink
an
agreement
with
the
federal
government
that
we
will
audit
every
penny
of
it
for
as
long
as
it
is
in
circulation
and
considering
the
more
than
21
billion
that
has
come
to
tennessee
in
the
past
two
years.
I
I
can
tell
you
that
our
audit
teams
are
already
working
on
that,
and
you
do
see
I'm
sure
on
the
information
in
front
of
you
that,
in
working
with
the
administration,
there
are
a
number
of
new
positions
slated
to
come
to
the
comptroller's
office.
To
help
us
do
the
work
that
we
are
committed
to
do.
Keeping
up
with
this
money.
I
You
know
not
only
are
there
federal
dollars
coming
to
the
state
of
tennessee,
but
their
federal
dollars
coming
to
every
local
government,
every
city,
every
county,
every
school
system,
every
utility
across
the
state
and
in
some
cases
local
governments
are
receiving
as
much
as
75
percent
of
their
annual
budget
in
money
from
the
federal
government.
I
I
am
glad
to
say
that,
in
regard
to
the
new
positions
we
are
able
to
perform,
the
additional
audit
work
at
a
cost
of
only
13
cents
per
1,
000
13
cents
per
1
000
is
the
cost
of
the
new
new
funding,
and
I
do
want
to
say.
I
appreciate
deputy
governor
and
commissioner
of
finance,
butch
healy
and
director
budget
david
thurman
for
working
so
closely
with
us
over
the
summer
to
see
what
was
necessary.
I
I
do
want
to
also
call
the
members
attention
to
the
tax
relief
program,
which
I
know
is
so
important
to
many
of
you
now.
You
all
know
I'm
from
bristol
home
of
the
famous
bristol
motor
speedway
and
in
thinking
about
that.
I'm
here
to
kind
of
wave
the
caution
flag
today,
because
the
tax
relief
program
has
been
running
for
the
past
several
years
on
an
annual
appropriation
and
in
fact
it
has
built
up
a
little
bit
of
a
carry
forward
reserve.
I
But
I
do
want
to
tell
you
that
in
a
cautionary
way,
the
tax,
really
the
growth
in
the
tax
relief
program,
is
going
to
start
eating
into
the
reserve
this
year
and
over
the
next
couple
years,
and-
and
I
see
the
chair
has
left,
but
I
actually
have
some
handouts
we'd
like
to
give
to
the
members
that
are
here.
If
that's
okay,
that
will
demonstrate
demonstrate
what
I'm
talking
about.
I
Let
me
say
that
what
I'm
telling
you
is
that
if
there
are
no
changes
to
the
program,
if
there
are
no
changes
to
the
program,
the
natural
growth
and
the
number
of
recipients
today
will
start
eating
into
the
reserve.
There
is
legislation
pending
that
would
expand
benefits
of
the
program
and,
of
course,
if
you
choose
to
expand
benefits
of
the
program,
it's
going
to
eat
into
that
reserve
even
more
so
I'll
wait
to
the
handouts
kind
of
make
it
around,
and
thank
you,
members
for
handing
those
out
for
us.
I
Thank
you
all.
So,
if
you
look
at,
if
you
look
at
the
handouts,
we
got
if
you,
if
you
take
this
one
right
here
first,
this
one
demonstrates
the
growth
in
the
program
and
you
can
see
over
here
in
the
column
carry
forward
for
year,
which
is
right
over
here
towards
the
end.
You
can
see
this
year
we're
going
to
dip
into
it.
If
there
are
no
changes,
a
little
over
2
million
dollars.
I
This
chart
right
here
is
one
that
I
hope
is
interesting
to
you,
the
the
the
you
know
I'll
see
this
chart
right
here.
You
see
up
there,
members
it
on
the
top
chart.
It
illustrates
how
many
people
are
are
in
the
program
you
can
see
with
the
blue
bar
on
top.
You
know
the
tax
relief
is
divided
into
two
categories
of
participants.
I
You
have
the
low
income,
elderly
and
disabled,
and
you
see,
there's
83,
000,
low-income,
elderly
and
disabled,
and
then
you
have
100
service
connected
disabled
veterans
and
you
have
21
000
veterans
on
the
program.
So
that's
how
many
participants,
if
you
drop
down
to
the
chart
below
you,
can
see
that,
even
though
the
veteran
population
only
makes
up
20
of
the
participants,
they
utilize
two-thirds
of
the
of
the
of
the
money
and
the
low-income,
elderly
and
disabled
who
make
up
80
percent
of
the
participants
they
they
receive.
I
A
third
of
the
funds
so
demonstrating
that
for
you
there
and
then
I
illustrate
that,
because
I've
had
some
questions
from
members
about
what
you
could
do
to
further
support
the
the
different
populations,
particularly
the
low-income,
elderly
and
disabled,
and
I
provided
you
this
chart
right
here
to
tell
you
what
it
would
mean
financially
if
you
increased
the
value
limit
or
the
income
limit
for
the
low-income,
elderly
and
disabled
population,
ken
morrell
and
brian
kinsey,
from
our
division
of
property
assessments,
ken's
the
real
tax
relief,
guru
and
expert.
I
If
you
have
any
questions,
we're
happy
to
to
handle
those,
but
otherwise
members
I'll
be
happy
to
handle
any
questions
you
have
about
the
comptroller's
office
budget.
I
appreciate
it
and
certainly
would
appreciate,
appreciate
you
sending
our
budget
out
with
a
positive
recommendation.
F
O
Yes,
thank
you.
I
want
to
ask
how
many
distressed
utility
districts
are
there
in
tennessee
and
how
often
does
the
consolidation
occur?.
I
I
have
ross
colonna,
our
utilities
specialist
here
with
us
I'll
ask
him
to
come
down
ross
over
there,
just
distressed
utility
districts
and
how
often
a
cons,
consolidation.
K
F
I
Ross,
if
I
can
I'll
say
not
often
enough,
I
agree
how
about
that.
They
do
not
happen
often
enough
and
we're
hoping
that
communities
will
take
advantage
of
this
american
rescue
plan
funding,
along
with
the
state
match,
that's
being
administered
by
the
department
of
environment
and
we're
hopeful
that
we'll
see
more
common
sense
consolidations
in
the
in
the
not
too
distant
future.
Thank
you.
G
G
If
I
look
at
the
numbers
as
of
march,
the
12th,
through
the
edison
staffing
report,
looks
like
there's.
A
total
of
30
vacant
positions,
looks
like
15
of
these
were
designated
as
legislative
auditor
positions.
So
why
not
reclassify
these
and
utilize
these
in
some
of
the
positions
that
were
required
were
we
requested?
If
I
can
spit
that
out.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
that
makes
common
sense.
The
first
thing
I
would
tell
you
is,
I
don't
believe
we
have
nearly
that
many
open
positions
today,
and
so
I'm
I'm,
I'm
not
sure
the
information
you're
looking
at,
but
we
do
not
have
that
many
open
positions
today.
The
second
thing
I'll
tell
you
is
that
we
are
heavily
into
our
recruiting
season
and
actually
have
some
offers
out
to
students
that
are
preparing
to
graduate
from
college
in
may
so
we're
running
very
close
to
being
at
full
employment.
I
I
So
what
I'm
saying
in
particular,
is
without
these
new
resources
we're
going
to
be
in
a
position
where
we
have
multiple
things:
we're
required
to
do
without
enough
people
to
do
them,
and
so
we
will
have
to
begin
to
choose
among
what
we're
required
to
do
what
we
will
do,
because
we
have
a
limited
staff
drew.
Do
you
want
to
expand
on
on
the
positions
vacant
today.
S
Yeah
drew
hawkins
office,
managed
services
yeah.
We
currently
have
30.
L
I
Okay
and-
and
we
hope
with
the
we're-
we
are
out
on
campuses
across
tennessee
and
even
in
other
states,
recruiting
students
every
day
and
we
hope,
as
students
graduate,
we
will
have
full
employment
before
this
budget
starts
in
the
next
fiscal
year.
I
can
tell
you
we,
we
that's
a
typically
the
cycle
we
run.
This
is
our
heavy,
recruiting
and
hiring
season.
So
that's
where
we
are.
G
Okay-
and
you
mentioned
mr
comptroller
about
the
the
audits
and
and
that
especially
for
through
local
governments.
So
what
will
happen
to
these
positions
once
the
money
has
moved
through,
and
I
guess
for
a
lot
of
the
locals
as
far
as
local
governments
are
concerned,
I
guess
that
will
be
maybe
24
or
26.
So
what
happens
once
those
are
completed
so
did
with
these
positions,
where
what.
I
Happens,
thank
you.
So
we
are
a
post-audit
agency,
which
means
we
continue
to
audit
after
the
spending
spending
has
occurred
and
we
believe
we
will
be
utilizing
every
one
of
these
positions
again
through
2030
auditing
money.
That
is
out
there.
One
thing-
and
I
talked
about
this
in
my
senate
budget
hearing
as
well
and
and
I
think
one
of
two
things
are
going
to
happen
number
one.
We
generally
have
growth
in
our
audit
areas
and
pick
up
two
positions
here
and
two
positions
there.
I
We
believe
we
will
naturally
grow
into
these
positions
or
the
second
option
is,
I
can
assure
you
if
we
have
positions,
that
we
don't
need
anymore,
I'll
turn
them
back
in
we've
done
that
in
the
past.
We
did
that
under
comptroller
wilson,
when
I
was
with
him
and
we'll
do
that
again,
but
right
now
this
is
what
we've
got
to
have
to
get
the
work
done,
that
we've
committed
to
do
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
you
guys
being
here
and
and
the
fine
job
you
do
for
our
state.
I
wanted
to
ask
about
some
positions
that
are
requested
in
the
proposed
budget
in
the
division
of
investigations,
and
I
want
to
know
more
about
the
case
load
now
per
investigator
within
the
division,
and
is
there
a
backlog.
I
We
have
more
than
100
open
investigations
right
now
and
with
the
flood
of
money
coming
into
the
state.
One
thing
one
thing
that
my
director
of
investigations,
jeff
puckett
always
tells
me,
is
that
if
there
is
money
coming
in
there
is
somebody
out
there
looking
to
figure
out
how
to
steal
it,
and
unfortunately
we
find
that
to
be
true,
no
matter
where
it
is,
and
so
yes,
we
have
a
backlog
of
more
than
100
cases,
and
with
this
influx
of
money,
we're
already
seeing
an
uptick
and
that's
where
that
comes
from.
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Last
year's
budget
included
450
000
recurring
to
fund
three
fraud.
Prosecution
positions.
Have
those
positions
been
filled.
I
G
G
I'm
noticing
the
questionnaire
that
you
all
responded
to
that
we're
going
to
need
to
make
11.8
million
dollars
in
technology
updates,
I'm
assuming
that's
going
to
come
from
some
reserves
that
we've
built
up
over
time
that
roughly
17.6
million
dollars,
but
if
you
could
kind
of
walk
us
through
where
we
are
with
technology,
if
we
are
going
to
be
using
reserves,
as
I
stated,
and
what
that
looks
like
sir.
I
Yes,
our
our
technology
improvements
are
based
on
an
I.t
carry
forward.
The
comptroller's
office
has
not
asked
the
legislature
for
increased
funding
for
I.t
in
more
than
15
years.
I
believe,
and
we
do
have
the
carry
forward
funds
committed
to
these
I.t
projects.
I
do
want
to
say
that,
just
in
the
last
month,
the
issue
of
cyber
security
and
staying
on
top
of
your
I.t
projects,
especially
for
an
office
like
ours,
is
more
important
than
ever.
You
know
when
we
go
up
to
new
york
for
our
bond
rating
hearing.
I
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
comptroller
for
being
here.
I
just
you.
You
mentioned
something
earlier
in
your
testimony
about
20,
I
wrote
it
down
with
an
exclamation
point:
21
billion
dollars,
yeah
the
I
guess,
the
in
all
these
auditors
what
we
found
some
of
us
woke
up
last
wednesday,
and
we
heard
that
the
federal
bureaucracy
decided
they
want
to
try
to
claw
back
some
of
this
money
from
the
states.
L
Yes,
in
order
to
pay
for
whatever
they
want
to
do,
I
don't
know
if
they
ran
out
of
money
or
they
couldn't
print
anymore.
They
seem
to
be
printing.
It
like.
F
L
Some
of
the
some
of
the
numbers
in
that
15.5
billion
dollar
spending
bill.
They
said
as
much
as
2.6
billion
dollars.
They
could
have
clawed
back
out
of
the
21
billion
from
us.
I
guess
what
are
we
doing.
Is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
to
prevent
that?
Because,
if
they're
already
trying
to
take
the
money
back
now
and
we're
just
in
the
throes
of
something
that's
going
on
in
the
world
in
the
world
today,
my
expectation
is
they're.
Going
this
ain't
going
to
be
the
last
time
they
tried.
I
Sure
great
question
great
question,
and
I
literally
you
said
you
woke
up
to
that
news.
I
was
woken
up
by
that
news
from
people
in
east
tennessee
that
were
texting
me
early
in
the
morning.
I
I
You
can't
necessarily
claw
that
back
so
communities
are
proceeding
with
their
spending
plans,
but
when
you
are
proceeding
with
things
like
spending
money
on
utilities
and
infrastructure,
you
know
that's
not
an
overnight
spend,
and
so
the
only
thing
I
can
say
about
that
right
now
is
I'm
glad
that
that
proposal
in
the
house
of
united
states
house
of
representatives
fell
off
and,
and
there
was
an
immediate
pushback
nationwide
and
they
took
that
off,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
be
on
guard
about
it
and
we're
going
to
have
to
be
in
communications
with
our
congress,
men
and
women
about
it.
L
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
too
I
I
was
able
to
get
on
the
phone
chairman
zachary
got
on
the
phone
with
his
congressman.
I
was
able
to
get
on
the
phone
with
our
congressman.
It
was
worked
out
pretty
quickly,
but
but
I
think
blue
states
are
those
who
are
spending
their
money
a
little
bit
differently
than
than
we
are.
L
I
think
there's
a
push
for
them
to
go
ahead
and
allocate
theirs
in
case
this
does
come
back
around
because
people
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle
decided
they
didn't
like
it,
but
if
it
ever
gets
to
the
point
where
those
in
the
minority,
like
our
state,
are
still
have
money,
that's
unallocated.
I
think
we
could
be
in
real
trouble
of
of
not
necessarily
clawing
it
back,
but
not
ever
getting
that
final
allocation
to
the
other
half
of
the
second
part
but
anyways.
L
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
on
it,
I
am
really
concerned
about
this,
mainly
because
we
borrowed
the
money
to
start
with,
but
but
the
tennesseans
are
expecting
that
money,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
can
do
all
we
can
to
protect
it.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
and
I
apologize.
I
had
to
step
out
for
a
bit,
and
so
you
may
have
answered
this
question,
but
I
know
there's
some
discussion
about
the
audit
positions
requested
in
your
budget
and
those
positions
that
were
that
at
least
edison
shows
unfilled,
and
I
heard
part
of
your
explanation
that
this
is
the
recruiting
time.
But
I
guess
my
question
is:
do
we
normally
have
that
many
vacancies
at
this
time
of
the
year,
or
has
there
been
a
a
growing
level
of
attrition?
B
Are
you
losing
more
people
to
the
private
sector
or
what
has
kind
of
fueled
that
the
hole
that
we're
trying
to
fill
because
we're
not
only
looking
to
for
jobs
for
the
new
budget
positions,
but
also
to
complete
those
that
are
already
funded
in
this
budget?
So
right.
I
I
Right
so
the
first.
The
first
answer
is
that
I
think
edison
showed
more
than
30
positions
vacant.
In
truth,
today
there
are
18
positions
vacant
we
are,
I
think,
that's
normal
for
this
time
of
year,
we
are
already
making
offers
to
people
graduating
from
college
in
may
and
have
some
acceptances
already
and
are
recruiting
for
that
every
day,
and
we
expect
to
be
back
to
full
employment
for
our
audit
cycle
before
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
I
I
You
know
during
this
pandemic
have
been
reevaluating
their
life
to
some
degree
and
choosing
new
ventures,
and
we
have
not
been
immune
to
that,
but
we
feel
strongly
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
recruit
and
fill
the
positions
we
have
open
today,
which
allow
us
to
do
the
work
we're
assigned
today
and
then,
if
approved,
we're
going
to
recruit
and
fill
the
positions
coming,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
in
terms
of
accounting.
For
all
this
money,
that's
poured
into
our
state.
B
And
I
guess
the
obvious
follow-up
question
to
that
because
of
these,
the
vacancies
that
are
currently
in
place
has
that
impacted
your
ability
to
do
the
work
that
you're
assigned
to
do.
I
We
have
definitely
seen
an
uptick
in
the
amount
of
comp
time
that
we
have
had
to
issue
to
incumbent
auditors.
So
sure
yes,
but
we
are
managing
to
get
done
some
and-
and
I
have
to
commend
our
staff
for
going
above
and
beyond
and
committing
more
time,
effort
and
hours
to
the
process.
But
it
is.
It
is
definitely
tight,
both
at
the
local
government
level
and
and
the
state
level.
B
Well,
thank
you
and
I'd
like
to
switch
gears
and
talk
for
a
moment
about
the
handout
that
you
provided
and
you
and
I
had
an
offline
conversation
prior
to
this
budget
hearing
today.
B
Just
so,
you
know,
I
think
that
you
view
this
as
just
kind
of
a
flag,
a
heads
up
that
this
is
a
an
issue.
That's
coming
down
the
road
that
we're
going
to
have
to
address
and
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
peace
parts
to
this.
But
if
you
could
just
kind
of
give
us
an
overview
of
where
we
stand,
the
projections
of
when
this
particular
fund
would
be
depleted
and
how
what
impact
that
would
have
on
reserves
and
so
forth.
I
You
can
see
again
from
the
the
this
chart
right
here
over
here
in
the
in
the
carry
forward
for
year
column-
and
this
is
this-
is
important
to
understand
with
no
changes
to
the
program
and
there
is
legislation
pending.
That
would
increase
the
benefits.
But
if
there
are
no
changes
to
the
program
this
year,
we
will
dip
into
the
reserve
a
little
over
two
million
dollars
and
then
what
I'm
saying
is
by
fy.
I
25
by
fy25,
which
is
tax
year,
24,
that's
the
local
tax
year.
That's
the
the
state
fiscal
year.
We
would
need
more
money
injected
into
the
program
to
keep
it
going
again
if
there's
no
changes
or
expansion
of
benefits.
I
Right
here,
madam
chair
on
this
chart,
I
talked
about
the
fact
that
of
the
two
populations
on
the
program,
the
low
income,
elderly
and
disabled
make
up
80
percent
of
the
participants.
The
veteran
population
is
20
of
the
program
and
I'm
being
approximate
here,
but
even
though
the
veteran
portion
of
the
program
is
20
percent,
they
use
two-thirds
of
the
money,
whereas
the
low-income,
elderly
and
disabled,
who
are
80
percent
of
the
participants,
they
use
one-third
of
the
money
and
then.
B
Comptroller,
could
you
just
for
the
benefit
of
all
of
us
and
for
those
watching
just
kind
of
explain
the
reasons
for
that?
The
differences
in
the
program
that
results
in
in
that
you
know
the
80
20
rule.
I
Sure
the
thing
that
that
that
separates,
that
is
in
order
to
qualify
for
the
program,
the
low-income,
elderly
and
disabled,
they
have
an
income
limit,
meaning
they
cannot
earn
more
than
the
limit.
Today
is
31,
600
and
so
to
qualify
for
the
program.
They
can't
earn
more
than
that
and
then,
as
of
today,
they
receive
if
they
qualify,
they
receive
relief
on
the
first
30
000
of
their
property.
I
Now
that
contrast
with
the
with
the
veteran
population
of
the
program,
who
have
no
income
limit
and
then
receive
currently
relief
on
the
first
175
thousand
dollars
of
their
property.
B
Again,
I
just
would
ask
that
our
committee
members
recognize
that,
and
while
we
all
love
our
veterans
and
want
to
support
them
in
every
way
that
we
can,
I
would
point
out
that
this
program
was
originally
developed
to
help
the
low-income
and
elderly,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
become
even
more
of
a
problem
and
we're
watching
property
values
in
tennessee
escalate
to
unheard
of
levels,
if
you're
a
person
living
on
your
social
security
check
and
you're.
Under
this
thirty
one
thousand
dollar
limit
your
fifty
thousand
dollar
house.
B
When
you
get
your
next
assessment,
you
know
it's
probably
going
to
go
up
significantly
and
you're.
Only
you
have
that
limit
on
the
amount
of
property
relief
that
you
can
get
our
veterans.
The
limit
is,
you
know
much
much
higher,
as
we
have
said,
and
our
veterans
are.
We
are
continuing
to
have
more
folks,
hopefully
we'll
we're
not
being
engaged
in
any
more
wars
or
conflicts
that
will
result
in
disabled
veterans,
but
somebody
mentioned
earlier
that
we
don't
live
in
an
ideal
world
and
so
that's
probably
not
a
realistic
dream.
B
But
I
did
just
want
to
point
out
to
this
committee
and
to
those
that
might
be
watching
members
of
this
body.
While
we
again
want
to
support
our
veterans
in
every
way
that
we
can.
We
also
have,
I
believe,
a
debt
to
those
low-income
and
those
elderly
tennesseans
who
have
worked
their
whole
lives
and
you
know,
are
now
in
the
situation
that
they,
they
really
are
financially
strained.
B
So
I
I
think,
there's
we're
gonna
have
to
balance
that
and
as
we
consider
adding
things
to
the
program,
adding
people
to
the
program
or
other
ways
that
impact
the
financial,
the
finances
of
this
program
going
forward
because
for
every
increased
benefit
that
we
provide,
there
is
an
increased
cost
and,
as
we
can
see
here,
everybody
just
it's
very
plain
in
front
of
you.
We
have
reduced
that
that
reserve
and
we
will
be
dipping
into
we'll
be
in
a
negative
situation
very
quickly.
So
again,
just
something
that
all
of
us
to
consider.
I
I
If
you
raised
the
property
value
limit
and
down
here
at
the
bottom,
what
it
would
mean
if
you
raise
the
income
limit
in
terms
of
an
expanded
population,
how
many
dollars
we
approximate?
That
would
mean
so
that
is
there
for
your
your
use.
L
L
I
guess
the
question
is:
can
you
can
you
have
your
folks
run
a
formulary
that
sees
that
that
sees
what
the
trajectory
of
those
two
grass
would
look
like
if
we
did
make
the
actual
first
value,
the
same,
for
instance,
raise
the
low
income
families,
the
first
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
then
the
first
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
veterans
to
me,
it
seems
like
that.
The
what's
making
it
so
egregious
is
the
difference
between
the
first
30
and
175
000..
L
So,
if
we're
going
to
give
somebody
the
benefit
of
some
tax
relief
that
that
seems
to
me
like
it's
the
more
fair
way
to
do
it
going
forward,
that's
sustainable
because,
obviously
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
then.
Secondly,
can
you
provide,
or
can
you
provide
that
at
a
later
date,
and
then?
Secondly,
do
you
do
you
feel
like
based
upon
the
data
that
you've
gotten
here,
that
this
has
turned
into
a
relocation
incentive
for
for
veterans?
L
Meaning
do
you
think
more
people
are
moving
to
the
state
because
we
do
give
up
a
tax
of
this
credit
on
175
thousand
dollar
property
value.
I
First
off
miss
representative,
thank
you
and
when
you
say
we
all
get
that
together.
The
y'all
is
sitting
right
here.
His
name
is
ken
morrell
and
he
might
even
be
able
to
answer
this
to
some
degree
as
he's
sitting
here,
but
as
for
a
relocation
incentive,
I
don't
know
that
we
can
answer
that.
Of
course
you
know
a
lot
of
this
veteran
property.
I
Tax
relief
is
centered
in
montgomery
county
and
around
fort
campbell
and
and
that
community
and-
and
you
know,
there's
those
service,
men
and
women
who
may
not
be
from
tennessee
but
serve
fort
campbell
and
then,
when
they're
done
with
their
service
figure
out
a
place
to
live.
I
E
Well,
certainly,
we
can.
We
can
produce
a
graph
that
shows
if
both
categories
of
recipients
were
at
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
value
and
what
that
would
look
like
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
The
in
terms
of
whether
that's
an
incentive,
the
controller,
is
correct.
We
can't
really
answer
that,
although
based
upon
a
study,
I
did
a
number
of
years
ago,
you
know
there
are
many
many
states
not
probably
most
states.
E
I
suppose
that
that
have
programs
that
that
provide
benefits-
you
know
like
this
and
they
take
different
shapes
and
forms
and-
and
they
don't
all
look
like
this
one
does,
but
but
it's
not
tennessee's,
not
unique
in
providing.
You
know
property
tax
relief
benefits
to
these.
These
types
of
of
individuals.
E
I
L
Well,
I
I
really
appreciate
that.
I
think
if
you
looked
at
the
the
the
five-year
trajectory
says
that
if
it
falls
the
same
path,
it's
going
to
be
55
million
dollars
pretty
soon.
So
I
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
the
members
to
understand
that
this
is
something
either
we
have
to
have
the
willingness
to
fund
additional
dollars
or
we've
got
to
re-look
at
the
benefit,
so
appreciate
your
testimony
today.
B
Q
B
These
these
go
to
the
95
counties.
I
B
Seeing
none
mr
comptroller,
thank
you
and
your
team,
and
particularly
thank
the
beloved
comptroller
for
making
one
more
journey
over
to
budget
hearings
in
the
house.
We
appreciate
your
presence.
B
B
Mr
pond,
thank
you
for
being
patiently
waiting
and
sitting
through
some
previous
conversation.
We
do
thank
you
for
being
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
early
literacy
in
tennessee
as
we're
looking
at
education
funding
formula,
and
you
know
where
we
should
put
our
emphasis
on
our
focus
and
our
dollars.
I
think
there's
a
fairly
large
consensus
around
the
fact
that
early
literacy
is
key
to
making
some
positive
changes
in
educational
levels
in
tennessee.
So
please
tell
us
how
your
organization
is
impacting
that.
T
Great
yeah,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
your
time
this
afternoon,
you're
absolutely
right.
Early
literacy
is,
I
think,
central
discourse
happening
in
the
state
of
tennessee
as
we're
coming
out
of
covet.
I
think
recognizing
the
significance
and
the
crucial
nature
of
how
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
children
across
the
state.
T
There
we
go
for
our
foundation.
Over
the
last
several
years.
We've
really
grown
our
footprint
in
early
literacy
in
a
number
of
different
initiatives.
The
the
first
and
foremost
has
been
dolly
parton's
imagination,
library
serving
currently
about
286
000
children
representing
about
70
percent
of
age
eligible
children.
T
We've
been
working
with
school
districts
to
develop
mobile
literacy
through
book
buses
working
with
caregivers
through
a
text-to-parent
app,
really
helping
parents
to
have
the
resources
and
guidance
they
need
in
helping
their
children
that
learning
journey,
but
the
two
things
that
we
really
want
to
focus
on
today
is
the
kindergarten
to
third
grade
request
that
we
have
in
in
front
of
this
committee
and
one
other
initiative
that
I
think
will
be
of
interest.
T
First
and
foremost,
is
the
kindergarten
to
third
grade
program
which
in
2019,
we
saw
an
opportunity
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
kindergarten
through
third
grade
students
really
helping
children
beyond
that
age.
Five
marker,
where
they're
still
in
that
process
of
learning,
to
read
that
third
grade
benchmark
that
I'm
sure
this
committee
is
familiar
with
in
which
a
child
is
leaving
learning
to
read,
to
read,
to
learn,
and
so
in.
In
2020
we
began
a
pilot
without
knowing
that
covid
was
going
to
be
happening.
T
We
leaned
into
that
pilot
anyway,
because
we
wanted
to
look
at
efficacy
around
that
program.
We
also
worked
with
the
department
of
education
recognizing
that
students
were
no
longer
in
the
classroom
and
we
needed
to
resource
them
with
as
many
high
quality
reading
materials
as
we
possibly
could.
We
partnered
with
them
to
serve
about
57
000
students
across
the
state
that
then
grew
into
a
conversation
that
began
in
2019
with
speaker
sexton's
office
around.
Was
there
a
way
to
do
this
on
a
statewide
level?
T
We
decided
that
doing
it
incrementally
year
over
year,
starting
with
all
rising
first
graders
and
then
moving
to
all
rising.
Second,
graders
would
be
the
best
tactic
to
to
handle
that
this
past
summer
we
were
able
to
serve
96
districts
as
well
as
11
charter
schools
serving
almost
60
000
students
across
the
state
this
year
we'll
be
able
to
multiply
that
three
times
over
and
serve
upwards
of
145
000
rising
first
second
and
some
additional
third
graders
through
this
program
so
summer
of
2022
we're
going
to
be
expanding
that
pilot
by
spring
of
this
year.
Q
C
Dean
hoskins
vice
president
of
the
governor's
early
literacy
foundation.
So
before
you,
the
request
is
in
two
pieces.
One
is
a
request
for
fund
for
supplemental
funding
from
fiscal
year,
22,
that
is,
for
4.4
million
dollars,
which
would
be
2.2
million
for
rising
first
and
2.2
million
for
rising
second,
and
that
is
for
delivery
of
a
six
book
pack,
along
with
what
are
called
think
sheets
or
or
resources
that
go
with
those
books
along
with
caregiver
guides,
delivered
into
the
home
of
those
rising
public,
school
and
charter
school
first
and
second
graders
this
summer.
C
C
If
that
will
come
up
the
fiscal
year,
23
funding
would
mirror
the
supplemental
funding
that
we're
asking
for
to
do
first
and
second
grade
the
following
summer
summer
of
23,
and
so
at
that
point
for
fiscal
year
24
we
would
be
looking
at
adding.
Third
grade
and
then
at
fiscal
year
25
we
would
add
kindergarten
because
that's
the
hardest
population
to
identify
in
advance
a
rising
kindergartner.
C
What
we
are
trying
to
do
is
the
the
money
that
was
allocated
to
us
in
fiscal
year,
22
as
supplemental
funding
that
we
received
in
july
1
paid
for
summer
of
21.,
and
so
the
supplemental
funding
in
fiscal
year
22
would
pay
for
summer
of
22
and
get
us
back
on
an
asking
for
money
in
advance
of
the
program
that
allows
us
to
work
with
the
vendors.
Earlier
in
the
year,
we've
created
a
21-member
education
advisory
council.
C
These
are
teachers
and
district
leaders
from
across
the
state
to
work
with
us
to
make
the
book
selection
around
which
books
would
be
included
for
each
grade
and
they
met
in
november
and
in
january
of
this
year,
we'd
like
to
get
them
meeting
in
august
and
september,
so
that
we
can
start
negotiating
print
cost
book
cost
paper
issues.
We
all
know
that
we're
dealing
with
some
of
those
and
keep
that
cost
per
child
at
somewhere
in
the
25
to
26
range
for
those
six
books.
T
So
one
of
the
last
things
that
I
think
is
of
interest
to
this
committee
that
we've
taken
on
as
a
foundation
is
that
in
2019
traveling
the
state.
We
recognize
that
there
were
a
number
of
regional
early
literacy
efforts
happening.
It
was
creating
a
lot
of
silos
in
which
those
efforts
had
not
talked
to
one
another.
So
we
started
a
collaborative
this.
T
That
collaborative
has
now
grown
from
16
parties
to
about
75,
we'll
be
hosting
sort
of
the
2.0
version
of
that
collaborative
this
june
and
looking
to
grow
this
into
a
statewide
effort
in
which
we
can
bring
together.
All
of
our
non-profit
partners
that
are
working
in
early
literacy
create
some
communication
channels
with
the
department
of
education
as
well
as
the
legislature,
so
that
we
can
be
making
one
effort
rather
than
numerous
separate
efforts.
T
So
far,
we've
had
an
enormous
response
from
our
non-profit
partners
that
have
said
that
this
is
highly
beneficial
and
everyone
can
see
that
the
stakes
are
too
high
for
us
to
be
doing
this
alone
or
doing
it
in
silo.
So
we'll
be
reporting
on
the
outcomes
of
this
next
meeting
after
the
june
meeting
happens.
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
moving
forward
with
that
kind
of
collaborative.
I
know
in
hamilton
county
where
I'm
from
we
have
read
2020
and
actually
our
former
county
mayor
and
then
deputy
governor
claude
ramsey,
brought
that
program
to
the
state
level
when
he
came
when
he
moved
to
the
deputy
governor
position.
So
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
work
through
our
united
way
in
our
county
and
many
other
organizations,
so
harnessing
all
of
those
efforts
and
getting
them
going
in
the
in
the
same
direction.
I
think
will
certainly
be
beneficial.
L
Yes,
thank
you
guys
for
coming.
I
always
remember
the
day
when
we
got
our
books
in
the
mail
from
from
our
kids,
now
they're
grown
doing
their
own
stuff,
but
anyways
it's
exciting.
I
guess
the
question
is
one
of
the
things
I
always
like
to
know
is
how
many,
I
don't
think
you
mentioned
this.
How
many
people
does
this
serve?
I
mean
how
many
students
are
actually
receiving
books
currently.
T
L
It's
pretty
amazing,
and
so
it's
hard
to
we're,
sometimes
drill
down
on
the
data
so
much,
but
that
we
kind
of
lose
the
force
for
the
trees
when
it
comes
to
the
number
of
people
that
we're
serving.
So
it's
always
exciting
to
do
that.
One
of
the
other
questions
you,
you
said
that
was
different
in
the
governor's
budget
is
that
there
was
this
resending
of
materials.
L
You
know
one
of
the
big
challenges
we
asked
many
years
ago
is:
what
do
we
do
if,
if
they
get
sent
back
to
us
and
unbeknownst
to
us,
they
were
stored
somewhere
or
giving
away
or
something
so
I
guess
the
additional
yes,
unfortunately,
in
the
trash
but
unfortunate,
it
sounds
to
me
like
that.
We
found
a
new
way
to
purpose
these
books
by
paying
for
postage
to
go
to
schools.
T
Well,
so
there's
two
things
happening,
so
the
imagination,
library
books,
those
are
mailed
through
the
u.s
postal
service,
so
there
are
there's
only
so
much
limitations
due
to
federal
laws
around
the
mail
rate
in
which
those
books
go
out.
These
k
to
three
books,
which
this
is
request
is
for,
is
actually
shipped
through
ups
or
another
vendor
with
return
shipping.
So
it's
at
a
rate
where
we
ensure
that
those
materials
come
back
to
us
and
then
we
can
make
sure
that
they
get
to
their
designation
or
to
repurpose
them
appropriately
without
any
waste.
L
Okay,
that's
great,
I
guess
one
of
the
other
questions
that
I
sometimes
get
about
this
program
is:
who
decides
what
books
you
know
I
I
did
notice.
I
did
read
the
other
day.
Dolly
parton
is
now
an
author
of
her
own
book,
which
is
kind
of
interesting.
My
wife
just
showed
it
to
me
this
weekend
matter
of
fact,
but
so
how
did
these
books
selected?
How
do
we
know
which
ones
we're
sending
kids?
What
is
that
process
like?
Is
it
you
do
that
or
who
does
that.
T
So
the
there's,
a
blue
ribbon
selection
committee
that
works
with
dolly
parton's
foundation.
They
go
through
a
selection
process
each
year
in
which
they
decide
which
books
will
be
in
the
in
the
upcoming
year.
If
parents
are
interested,
they
can
find
that
on
our
website,
as
well
as
dolly
parton's
foundation's
website
for
the
k-3
books,
we
wanted
to
go
through
a
process
that
was
rigorous
and
aligned
with
our
curriculum
and
standards.
T
So
this
educator
advisory
council
that
we
brought
on
is
21
representatives
across
the
state
representing
everything
from
kindergarten
teachers
to
district
supervisors
that
go
through
a
selection
process.
Looking
at
content
as
well
as
are
there
ways
to
align
those
books
with
a
learning
content
that
every
rising
first,
second
and
third
grader
will
need
in
the
upcoming
school
year
that
will
give
them
some
familiarity
with
the
knowledge
base,
as
well
as
to
be
grade
appropriate.
L
Right
so
that
advisory,
that
21
member
advisory
council
is
just
something
that
is
made
known
to
the
public,
so
citizens
and
families
can
reach
out
and
contact
them
or
those
members
of
the
advisory
council.
T
B
B
We
just
see
so
many
things
downstream,
not
good
things
that
result
from
children
not
being
able
to
read
at
grade
level-
and
you
know
the
old
adage,
sad
but
true-
that
a
state
can
determine
their
prison
needs
and
prison
population
needs
based
on
the
number
of
children
that
aren't
reading
properly
at
or
reading
on
grade
level
at
grade
three,
it's
very
sobering
and
obviously
gives
a
lot
of
impetus
to
the
work.
B
B
Without
objection,
we
are
back
in
session
that
does
complete
our
calendar
for
today,
and
the
representative
shaw
has
a
motion
to
adjourn.
I
see
a
number
of
seconds
leader
lamberth,
I'm
sorry
are
you
trying
to
get
my
attention.