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House Budget Hearings-March 7, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
Yeah
good
morning,
charlie
hatcher,
commissioner,
here
I
did
want
to
introduce
deputy
commissioner
jeff
aiken
the
second
week
on
the
job.
You
may
recognize
him.
We
also
have
david,
arnold
and
shannon
klinowski,
and
if
we
get
in
the
weeds
on
business
development
questions,
we
can
ask
the
honorable
andy
holt
because
he's
director
of
business
development
at
this
point
so
we're
we're
excited
to
present
this
proposed
ag
and
forestry
budget
to
you
we're
tickled
to
death
with
the
amount
of
funding.
A
That's
that's
coming
our
way
and
it's
we'd
appreciate
your
support
in
consideration
for
it,
and
so
I
was
we're
going
to
follow
the
slides
when
we
get
the
I'm
going
to
try
to
follow
directions
and
go
present
this
in
five
minutes
I'll
just
go
through
the
basics.
If
you
need
to
stop
me
along
the
way,
you
can
do
that,
but
I've
got
the
presentation.
Oh
okay,
here
we
go.
A
A
This
slide
is
so:
we've
had
a
big
buildup
of
deferred
maintenance
for
we've
got
gosh
somewhere
around
400
forestry
buildings
in
the
state
from
from
an
outhouse
to
a
work
center,
and
so
we're
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
that
these.
All
these
projects
listed
are
forestry
capital
projects,
and
you
can
see
for
a
total
of
12
million
350
000.
A
Next
slide,
so
here
are
some
department
highlights
that
we're
pretty
proud
of
so
the
the
first
year
of
state,
fair
funding
to
to
move
and
support.
The
moving
of
from
metro
to
wilson
county
was
5
million.
We've
had
record
levels
of
funding
for
soil
and
water
stewardship
due
to
the
real
estate
transfer
tax
ag
enterprise
fund
very
successful.
A
The
best
producer
cost
share
program
in
the
united
states
ag
enhancement,
you'll,
see
with
with
record
number
of
applications
and
investments
there.
Due
to
david
arnold
and
his
group,
we've
had
our
forestry
fires
here
and
also
gives
us
a
little
revenue
from
other
states,
and
then
you
can
see
the
others
listed
there
for
testing
of
the
it's
accord.
Animal
health
lab
the
only
animal
health
lab
a
state
animal
health
lab
in
the
state,
and
we
want
to
support
it
and
get
it
as
strong
as
we
can.
A
A
We
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
emergency
food
money
that
was
allocated
through
our
department,
two
of
nearly
four
million
dollars
and
then
the
second
wave
that
we
alerted
a
few
weeks
ago
that
we'll
get
for
50
million
dollars
will
also
go
to
the
commercial
ag
and
forestry
supply
chain.
To
strengthen
that.
We
have,
you,
guys,
know
the
issues
in
the
supply
chain
and
we're
doing
our
best
to
increase
infrastructure
and
strengthen
the
supply
chain
within
the
state
of
tennessee.
A
A
And
then
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
went
over.
We
are
receiving
from
tv
tva
for
the
riparian
buffer
and
that's
we're
receiving
five,
a
half
a
million
dollars
fifty
thousand
a
year
over
a
ten
year
period,
and
that
is
for
assistance
for
streamside
landowners
to
help
restore
and
protect
tennessee
waters
and
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that.
B
Meeting
our
timeline,
in
fact,
you
may
have
exceeded
it.
So
we
appreciate
that
because
we
do
have
a
a
number
of
questions,
I'm
sure
and
others
may
be
generated
as
as
we
move
along
before
we
begin
with
the
I
go
to
the
list.
If
you
could
go
back
to
the
first
slide
and
just
help
me
understand
a
couple
of
things
on
there
item
four
and
five.
A
A
Yeah
for
the
it's
important
that
we
support
the
animal
health
lab,
it's
the
only
animal
health
lab
we
have,
and
and
through
the
through
the
pandemic,
we
realized
the
next
pandemic
will
probably
be
from
animals.
So
we
are,
we
are
doing
a
we're,
stepping
up
our
surveillance
for
diseases
of
significance
that
could
be
zoonotic
bird
flu,
swine
flu,
we're
tracking
coveted
in
animals
to
a
certain
extent
as
well.
A
So
this
is
for
equipment,
personnel
for
testing
for
emerging
diseases,
for
foreign,
animal
disease
testing,
and
it's
for
a
push
to
be
for
the
one
health
and
one
health
is
animal,
human
and
environmental
and
they
all
come
together.
So
that's
what
that
one
is,
the
metrology
lab
is,
is
is
weights
and
measures
and
and
a
portion
of
that
is
for
invasive
species
trapping.
But
it's
the
same
thing
as
for
metrology,
equipment
for
the
weights
and
measures
lab.
A
C
A
Oh
boy,
where
do
you
want
me
to
start
so
we
had
that
that
first
wave
of
cares
money,
the
requirements
and
the
guidelines
for
that
changed.
I
believe
six
times
and
so
from
the
federal
government.
We
were
trying
to
be
compliant
with
that,
of
course,
the
criteria
it
was
and
it's
basically
a
cost
share
program
because
they
kind
of
had
they
had
to
have
some
skin
in
the
game.
So
they
was
application
basis.
A
An
ag
and
forestry
business
would
submit
their
business
plan
what
they
were
going
to
try
to
do
what
they
were
going
to
supply,
whether
it
was
equipment
or
personnel
or
whatever,
so
that
they
had
some
skin
in
the
game
and
those
applications
were
reviewed
with
the
business
development
team
first
and
then
they
were
passed
to
horn.
The
consulting
company
to
review
those,
and
then
they
were
awards
were
determined
after
that.
E
Commissioner,
can
I
answer
that
real
quick
hi,
I'm
shannon
klinowski
with
the
department
it
commissioners
made
a
great
point
that
it
was
for
projects
that
people
were
going
to
do
to
strengthen
our
supply
chain,
but
there
was
also
a
piece
for
any
losses
that
businesses
incurred
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
So
there
were
two
different
options
in
that
application.
C
A
We
we
have,
let's
see
about
20
of
the
money,
went
to
meat
processing
capacity.
We
made
great
gains
in
that
we
can
give
you
the
actual
numbers.
After
this
we
can
get
those
to
you.
20
went
to
the
forestry
industry,
because
the
forestry
industry
was
left
out
of
usda's
support
initially,
and
we
felt
like
it.
They
should
be
added
in
those
were
the
that
was
a
big
bulk
of
money.
B
B
F
C
F
And
good
morning,
commissioner,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
and
your
staff
and
thank
you
for
making
sure
that
we
keep
some
bread
and
butter
on
the
table
in
tennessee.
We
appreciate
you
so
much.
I
want
to
begin.
I
know
the
department
was
allocated
about
50
million
in
american
rescue
planned
dollars
to
address
the
commercial
ag
and
forestry
supply
chain
enhancement.
F
A
G
In
all
likelihood,
there
will
be
no
business
disruption
element
to
this
particular
funding.
It'll
be
all
focused
on
supply,
chain,
enhancement
and
much
like
what
commissioner
hatcher
stated
previously
they'll
probably
be
a
focus
on
meat
processing.
I
think
many
of
you
all
are
probably
familiar
with
folks
having
very
long
time
periods
before
they're
able
to
have
animals
processed
in
a
local
processing
facility
and
also
forestry,
which
is
covers
52
percent
of
our
of
our
state.
We
that's,
probably
our
largest
crop
in
the
state.
G
We
also
want
to
have
a
focus
on
urban
agriculture,
and
we
also
want
to
have
a
focus
on
very
large
projects
that
would
help
agricultural
producers,
either
by
region
or
by
commodity
help
them
significantly.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
plans
with
that
money.
Once
we
get
the
final
guidelines
from
from
the
governor's
office,
we
will
to
really
put
you
know
the
bookends
on
that
program.
F
G
Yeah,
it's
definitely
a
fair
question.
That's
a
question
that
commissioner
hatcher
and
I,
and
also
our
deputy
commissioner
jeff
aiken,
have
talked
about
quite
a
bit.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
fall
within
the
guidelines
again
that
the
governor's
office
puts
down
for
us,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
a
concerted
effort
for
us
to
focus
on
those
counties
with
a
portion
of
that
funding.
G
We
recognize
that
our
number
of
distressed
counties
has
come
down
significantly
during
the
last
three
years
and
we
hope
that,
with
the
inflation
and
other
signals
of
potential
recession
that
we're
seeing
right
now
that
that
doesn't
change
and
doesn't
revert
and
go
back
up.
But
what
we
want
to
try
to
do
is
really
focus
funding,
for
what
most
likely
will
be
smaller
projects
in
those
areas
with
a
smaller
amount
of
of
what
we
would
consider
to
be
matching
funds.
G
What
we
realize
is
that,
most
of
the
time
and
we've
visited,
the
department
has
visited
every
distressed
county
in
the
state
when
there
was
11.
We
I
went
personally
to
each
of
the
11
counties,
gave
presentations
about
how
the
department
of
agriculture
can
help
small
businesses
with
low-cost
or
no-cost
business
opportunities
of
an
agricultural
and
forestry
nature.
A
B
And
just
to
follow
up
because
we
weren't
able
to
use
all
the
funding
previously,
what's
the
department
doing
to
work
with
those,
I
assume
some
of
those
applicants
who
applied
before
who
weren't
successful
might
want
to
apply
it
again.
Is
there
any,
I
guess,
concerted
effort
to
work
with
those
applicants
to
get
their
applications
up
to
snuff?
If
you
will
for
the
to
meet
the
federal
standards
and
be
considered.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
yeah.
We
have
a
database
of
all
those
applicants
and
when
we
roll
this
program
out,
once
it's
been
finalized,
we
have
all
the
rules
and
regs
that
we
need
we'll
actually
go
through
a
process
of
marketing
these
new
funds
and
and
we'll
draw
back
off
of
that
initial
group
of
applicants
and
and
let
them
know
that
these
fund
funds
are
available
not
only
to
them
but
to
lots
of
other
tennesseans
across
the
state.
B
A
Yeah,
so
that's
that's
where
we
operate,
we
have
several
business
consultants
and
they
got
different
areas
of
expertise,
and
so
yes,
we
always
do
that.
We
have.
We
have
people
that
are
that
have
expertise
in
meat
processing,
those
that
have
expertise
in
forestry,
we've
hired
an
or
be
hiring
a
new
forestry
consultant,
so
yeah
we
help
them
any
way
we
can,
and
some
of
them
some
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
struggle
with
with
applications.
So
we
we're
ready
to
assist.
B
A
Yeah
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
down
the
road
for
some
cost
increases
for
some
personnel
on
the
next
budget
cycle.
For
for
that,
but
as
far
as
we're
hoping
that
there'll
be
some
kind
of
the
processes
that
were
set
up
for
the
previous
federal
money,
the
55
million
that
we
spent
43
horn
was
was
really
good
to
us
and
they
had
they
put.
They
put
a.
They
had
some
processes
in
place.
A
They
had
wasn't
the
software,
but
but
they
had
some
things
that
we
can
really
streamline
that
we
learned
a
lot
from
that
first.
First
wave.
I
think
that
we
could
do
it
a
better
job,
the
second
time,
but
I
don't
know
for
sure
if
we
have,
if
we
have
a
robust,
if
we
have
another
firm
that
can
consult
with
us
like
that,
maybe
we
won't
need
more
people,
but
it's
concerning,
because
we're
distributing
more
and
more
and
more
money,
so
I'd
say:
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
need
for
some.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
and
your
team.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
I
must
say
that
it's
awfully
good
to
see
a
guy
from
washington
county
on
the
team.
Jeff
welcome
aboard
tickle
to
have
you
my
friend
I
want
to,
commissioner.
If
I
could
talk
about
a
couple
of
areas
of
unspent
dollars,
I
have
an
ag
research
facility
in
greene
county
on
the
last
slide.
F
A
It
was
going
to
be
relatively
expensive,
so
I
included
their
proposal
on
my
list
of
the
original
20-some
projects
or
proposals
that
we
turned
into
the
governor's
office
and
it
made
the
cut.
So
the
money
will
be
passed
through
the
department
to
ut
and
they
already
have
a
detailed
plan
on
where
all
the
money
is
going
to
go
and
what
all
is
going
to
happen
to
those
experiment.
Stations.
F
And
thank
you
for
that,
and,
and
we'll
continue
to
have
those
conversations
with
the
ut
system
as
well
and
the
ag
institute.
So
thank
you
very
much
jump
over
to
another
fund.
A
reserve
fund.
We've
got
it's
built
up:
2
million
a
year,
and
now
it's
27
million
dollars
in
reserves
for
the
bulldozers
in
forestry.
F
A
C
We
have
11
waiting,
downtown
advan
to
be
waiting
to
be
processed
and
waiting
to
get
our
transports
to
where
we
can
deploy
those.
We
have
a
balance
of
64
dozers
that
that
that
leads
to
our
total
of
112,
dozer
and
transport
units.
Those
have
already
been
ordered.
The
price
has
been
locked
in
to
to
prevent
future
escalations,
because
in
this
process
the
transports
have
gone
up
like
six
percent.
C
Over
the
couple
of
years
we've
been
deploying
the
dozers
12.,
so
we've
been
fortunate
enough
to
price
lock
those
dozers
in
to
where
we
can
save
significant
dollars
relative
to
that.
What
we
are
running
into
relative
to
our
dozers,
though,
is
what
everybody
else
is
running
into.
Is
supply
chain
issues.
You
know
those
transports
have
multiple
chips
in
them.
C
The
dozers
have
multiple
chips
in
them,
so
we're
just
waiting
for
those
supply
chain
issues
to
work
through
the
system
to
be
able
to
get
our
other
dozers
and
transports
deployed
out
in
the
in
the
field
and
it'll
probably
be
november
of
22
before
we
can
make
significant
progress
on
that
next
64
dozers
to
be
allocated,
but
it's
mainly
dealing
with
supply
chain
issues.
At
this
point
in
time,.
C
C
We
have
actually
had
three
phases
of
radio
replacement
supported
by
the
general
assembly.
The
first
phase
was
to
get
our
handhelds
and
we've
already
replaced
those
the
funding
that
you're
specifically
talking
about
is
for
our
mobile
units
to
go
into
our
trucks
and
vehicles,
and
we
were
waiting
for
motorola
or
to
come
out
or
the
radio
vendor
to
come
out
with
a
new
model
they're
at
the
verge
of
switching
over
from
a
current
model
to
a
new
model
and
again
running
into
supply
chain
issues.
C
There
we're
looking
at
just
going
ahead
to
proceed
to
purchase
what
they
have
in
hand
right
now.
It
will
still
meet
our
needs
and
then
the
funding
request
and
our
expansion
for
lack
of
a
better
term
is
to
help
upgrade
our
network
system.
You
know
we
have
the
a
network
out
there
of
towers
and
comparators
and
other
radio
apparatus
that
are
used,
so
we
can
have
a
communication
system
that
works
statewide.
C
One
more
question:
if
I
could,
madam
chair
and
sir
and
tell
me
your
name
again,
sir
I'm
so
sorry,
david
arnold
state
david,
does
andy
holt
play
any
part
in
the
radio
replacement
program
that
you
guys
are
currently
engaged
in
not
right
now,
but
if
he
has
some
skills
he
can
bring
to
the
table
I'll
consult
with
anybody.
I
think
if
we
could
put
that
on
the
record.
Madam
chair,
I
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
B
And
just
a
follow-up
question
to
the
real
question:
not
the
rhetorical
one:
the
radio
system
that
you're
looking
at
we've
there's
a
huge
investment
in
the
department
of
safety
with
the
radio
system.
Will
your
system
be
compatible
with
that?
Will
you
be
able?
Will
your
emergency
people
be
able
to
talk
with
the
other
emergency
people
in
the
state.
C
We
do
have
a
separate
autonomous
system
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
different
needs
different
frequencies
for
different
frequencies,
etc.
I
think
there
are
ways
to
make
those
systems
compatible.
There'll
be
some
expense
tied
to
that,
and
I
would
have
to
talk
with
our
radio
people
to
give
you
a
more
specific
answer
than
that
go
ahead.
E
I
just
want
to
add
on
to
that.
I'm
shannon
klenowski
the
systems
that
forestry
needs,
that
the
safety
systems
are
fantastic
if
you're
on
a
road,
if
you're
not
on
a
road
in
the
hills
and
haulers
as
david
likes
to
call
it
fighting
fires,
we
cannot
use
them
because
we
can't
get
a
signal,
and
the
other
thing
we
found
is
that
all
other
states
in
the
federal
firefighting
compact
have
these
same
radios.
That
forestry
has
made
this
investment
into.
E
B
I
believe
there
was
some
discussion
about
that,
perhaps
in
budget
hearings
last
year,
but
I
guess
my
only
concern
would
be-
and
I
understand,
if
you're
out
in
the
woods
it's
a
different
need
than
if
you're
working
a
disaster
in
the
middle
of
a
city
or
whatever,
but
there
might
be
at
some
point
with
those
things
would
need
coordination.
I
just
wondered
there
was
the
ability
to
to
communicate
in
situations
that
you
know
if
fires
threatening
a
you
know
an
urban
area
or
homes
or
whatever.
So
that
was
my
only
concern.
A
I
A
That's
a
good
question
so
that
that
number
is
based
on
originally
wilson
county
had
a
plan
with
a
bunch
of
capital
projects
for
infrastructure
for
that
site,
and
I
think
the
total
was
14
million.
So
that's
when
you
add
those
two
together,
that's
kind
of
where
you
you
get
to
that
figure,
but
it
includes
a
made
in
tennessee
building
where
all
95
counties
will
be
represented
and
have
their
exhibits
under
one
roof.
A
It
includes
a
a
birthing
barn,
which
is
an
educational
barn
for
the
birthing
of
all
kinds
of
livestock,
probably
the
most
highly
attended
exhibit
at
the
iowa
state
fair.
We
think
there's
great
potential
for
that.
There's
restroom
facilities,
there's
livestock
pavilions,
but
the
goal
is
to
get
those
facilities
where
they
can
handle
an
increased
attendance
in
an
increased
state
fair.
I
So,
in
speaking
about
the
supply
chain,
issues,
price
increases
there's
no
way
that
we
can
ever
know
from
one
day
to
the
next,
whether
or
not
we'll
be
able
to
get
the
raw
materials
and
what
the
cost
is
going
to
be.
So
what
do
you?
What
do
you
see
it's
going
to
take
in
developing
this
site?
Getting
it
finished.
A
Well,
that's
hard
to
say,
like
you
said,
with
the
supply
chain
like
it
is,
I
think
they're
struggling
with
that
now,
so
I
think
once
they
they
have
plans
to
develop
or
start
on
construction
fairly
soon,
so
that
they
can
try
to
to
get
as
much
of
that
construction
done
by
the
next
state.
Fair,
but
we'll
just
have
to
see.
I
A
They
so
so
the
last
time
there
was
you
know,
you
talked
about
the
proposed
half
million
dollars
any
of
it
yeah.
So
there's
a
proposed,
I
think
half
million
of
of
this
would
go
to.
It
would
be
equally
distributed
to
the
county
and
regional
affairs,
and
they
would
use
that
money.
I
mean
the
pandemic
was
tough
on
those
some
of
them.
It
was
the
only
thing
that
kept
them
afloat
because
they
had
all
the
maintenance
and
ground
keeping
expenses
and
didn't
host
the
fare
and
had
no
income.
E
I'll
elaborate
onto
that
a
little
bit
they're
using
it
for
some
of
the
premiums
that
they're
using
for
some
of
the
livestock
shows.
They
also
are
setting
up
more
hand
washing
stations
in
their
fares,
and
they
didn't
have
the
funding
to
do
that
without
these
additional
dollars.
It's
also
allowing
them
some
of
the
additional
costs
that
they're
having
just
related
to
the
pandemic,
so
they're
able
to
take
care
of
those
with
this.
G
And
then
there
was
also
andy
holt
department
ag.
There
was
also
a
portion
of
the
karzak
funding
that
was
also
used
as
a
grant
process
to
those
county
fairs
because
in
essence,
county
fairs
had
business
disruption
like
some
of
the
other
businesses
that
we
saw
in
agriculture-
and
you
know
the
county
fair
in
in
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
counties
and
really
what
I
see
especially
is
in
some
of
the
distressed
and
at-risk
counties
is
really
a
focal
point
for
those
communities.
So
we
wanted
to
try
to
do
that.
G
We
all
that
we
could
to
support
those
those
counties.
I'd
also
like
to
go
ahead
and
go
on
the
record
and
invite
you
all
to
the
wilson
county
and
state
fair.
That's
august,
the
18th
through
august,
the
27th,
so
you
can
go
ahead
and
put
that
on
your
calendar,
but
we'd
love
for
you
to
see
what
the
state
fair
has
to
offer
at
this
point.
It's
something
that
we
can
be
proud
of.
I
I
My
charity
back
home
was
called
food
on
foot
and
they
contacted
us
and
they
we
got
200
tractor
and
trailer
loads.
This
was
under
the
trump
administration,
and
each
box
was
about
60,
70
and
the.
I
think
it
was
something
around
seventy
thousand
dollars
per
tractor
and
trailer
load,
and
we
we
gave
gave
away.
I
I
think
it
was
over
200
of
those
two,
our
community
and
surrounding
communities
and
schools
and
different
things.
But
it's
a
great
program.
I'm
glad
that
you
know
the
farmers
were
able
to
have
a
place
to
go
with
their
their
stuff.
The
government
was
purchasing
it,
and
one
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
when
you
had
said
something
about
representative
holt
and
if
you
you
know
got
off
into
the
weeds
you'd
call
him
up.
Is
that?
Because
that's
normally
whether,
where
you
find
him
in
the
weeds
or
no,
it's.
A
B
I
remember
as
a
child
going
to
the
texas
state
fair
and
my
eyes
are
still
bugged
out
from
the
experience,
so
no
issues
at
all
with
that,
but
I
do
have
concerns
if
the
half
a
million
dollars
that
we
are
allocating
for
the
regional
and
county
fairs
across
the
state,
if
that's
enough,
to
really
keep
them
up
and
going
because,
as
a
former
representative
mentioned
in
many
counties
when
I
grew
up,
that
was
a
really
big
deal
going
to
the
county
fair
and
it
has
an
economic
impact.
It
has
there's
a
pride
factor.
B
There
are
all
of
these
things
involved,
so
I
I
think
the
half
a
million
dollars
is
less
than
the
monies
that
we
allocated
for
those
regional
and
state,
fair,
regional
and
county
fairs
last
year.
So
you
know
my
concern
is
that
and
I've
had
other
representatives,
particularly
from
some
rural
areas,
whispering
in
my
ear
about
those
those
same
concerns.
So
your
thoughts
on
whether
those
dollars
are
going
to
be
enough
to
actually
keep
those
fares
viable.
A
Up,
I
don't
disagree.
My
I
mean
running
a
county.
Fair
is
really
tough.
I've
gone
to
some
of
the
the
more
rural
counties
and
a
lot
of
times.
The
the
farmers
do
the
grounds,
maintenance
and,
and
they
can
do
more,
with
less
than
almost
anybody.
I've
seen
there's
other
opportunities.
We
we've
helped
some
of
them
through
other
other
sources.
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
and
I
want
to
discuss
specifically
the
future
farmers
of
america.
Ffa
proposed
budget
item
from
the
governor
includes
513
200
recurring,
to
establish
six
positions
for
the
future
farmers
of
america
and
curious
about
the
details
of
this
task
force
recommendation.
A
A
We
have
the
number
one
4-h
program,
the
largest
in
the
united
states
and
we'd
like
to
have
one
of
the
best
ffa
programs
in
the
country,
and
I
think
this
is
one
way
that
we
can
do
it
the
the
future
farmers.
America
is
a
great
organization,
it's
tried
and
proven
a
lot
of
our
future
leaders
are
there.
It
plays
to
the
ag
education
component
it
it's
it's
critically
important
that
we
that
we
bolster
that,
in
my
opinion,
and
that's
why
that's
in
there.
A
E
I'll
be
happy
to
speak
to
that.
The
ffa
last
year
took
some
of
the
dollars
that
we
give
to
them
and
they
paid
the
membership
dues
for
every
student
that
wanted
to
participate
in
ffa
across
the
state.
It
was
the
first
year
that
they
were
able
to
do
that
and
it
was
hugely
successful.
It's
been
the
record
high
attendance
record,
high
participation
that
they've
seen
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
so
they
are
marching
in
the
right
direction.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
We
appreciate
seeing
all
of
you
just
one
quick
question.
Regarding
technology.
There
are
a
number
of
future
technology
information
system
projects
listed
on
you,
all's
website,
although
your
questionnaire,
which
one
will
be
completed
this
year
and
then
the
question
is
once
these
projects
are
completed.
What,
if
anything,
does
the
department
still
need
in
terms
of
technology
upgrades
who
wants
to
take
that
one.
E
E
The
list
of
projects
that
we
have.
I
believe
there
should
be
deadlines
with
those
and
we
work
with
sts
so
that
they
can
get
those
projects
in
the
budget
that
we
have
for
the
department
each
year.
So
we
can
we
kind
of
prioritize
the
the
department
says:
look,
this
is
most
important
to
us.
This
is
second.
This
is
third
and
sts
will
take
that
they
will
fit
it
into
our
annual
budget
and
then
they
will
go
ahead
and
just
start
working
down
that
list.
It's
a
great
partnership.
E
H
Thank
you,
chairman
I'll
I'll,
be
brief,
a
promise.
I
know
we've
got
to
move
along
to
some
other
hearings,
but
specifically
the
wilson
county,
fair.
Now
the
state
fair.
I
want
to
mention
one
thing.
I
hope
the
department
will
invite
everyone
to
come
tour.
The
fair
as
I
was
invited
last
year.
I
just
happened
to
be
there
for
another
event,
and-
and
they
put
me
on
a
golf,
cart
and
kind
of
showed
me
around
the
entire
area.
It
is
extremely
impressive.
H
I
mean
I
am
really
glad
that
we're
investing
in
that
as
a
new
area
for
the
state
fair
with
just
a
few
upgrades-
and
I
know
that's
in
this
budget-
I
mean
it
truly-
could
be
one
of
the
premier
fairs
in
the
country.
So
thank
thank
you
all
for
bringing
some
good
ideas
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Speaking
of
the
birthing
barn,
I
will
say
that
my
wife
and
two
children
spent
the
better
part
of
two
hours
over
there
watching
a
calf
be
born.
H
I've
seen
animals
be
born.
You
know
hundreds
and
probably
thousands
of
times
in
my
life,
so
it
was
not
as
interesting.
For
me.
I'll
admit,
but
for
folks
that
had
never
seen
that
it
was
riveting
to
them
and
there
was
a
massive
crowd
surrounding
it
and
it
was
live
streamed
to
apparently
lots
and
lots
of
other
people.
So
I
never
would
have
imagined
that
would
have
been
exciting
but
seriously
seeing
the
miracle
of
birth
was
something
that
was
pretty
riveting
for
both
my
family
and
a
bunch
of
other
folks
that
were
there.
H
So
that
being
said,
nine
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
lots
of
upgrades,
a
new
birthing
barn.
I
mean
again
it's
phenomenal
the
one
shortage
that
was
pretty
obvious.
While
I
was
there
were
roads
for
ingress
and
egress
the
wilson
county.
Fair.
That's
been
a
wilson
county
problem
for
a
while,
but
since
it's
a
state
fair,
it's
now
obviously
a
state
issue
who
has
a
good
answer
on
what
we're
doing.
As
far
as
on
that
and
and
how
we're
progressing
on
making
sure.
A
Yeah,
that's
that's
been
a
concern
for
months
through
all
this
planning
we've
worked
with
until
clay
bright
got,
transferred.
We've
been
working
with
him
he's
aware
of
it.
Some
of
those
projects
are
listed
on
on
tdot's
list
some.
I
think
some
of
them
are
being
moved
up,
but
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
money
to
fund
the
interstate
exchange,
some
of
the
access
some
of
the
new
roads.
H
H
I
know:
we've
got
six
positions
in
the
proposed
budget.
I've
seen
it
in
my
area,
just
as
you
mentioned,
I
mean
that
you
know.
Ffa
numbers
have
have
doubled
in
some
of
the
schools,
my
area,
which
is
fantastic,
but
I
would
like-
and
this
is
something
you
guys
can
get
to
me
later-
just
kind
of
analysis
on
how
we've
cut
those
positions
over
the
years.
H
I
know
there's
six
that
are
in
the
budget
right
now,
but
a
couple
of
years
ago
I
had
someone
give
me
a
breakdown
of
where
those
were
those
statewide
positions
for
ffa
were
30
years
ago
20
years
ago
10
years
ago,
and
at
least
on
that
analysis
they
just
continue
to
trim
down.
While
now
ffa,
you
know
actual
attendance
and
membership
for
that
of
students.
It
seems
to
be
on
a
rise
and
that's
extremely
important.
I
think,
for
the
success
of
our
state
as
an
agricultural
power
really
nationwide.
So
just
something
to
think
about.
H
I
mean
I'd
love
to
see
those
numbers
on
where
they
kind
of
compare
over
the
years.
Both
the
membership
numbers
for
ffa
students
that
are
participating
and
how
are
we
as
a
state
doing
as
far
as
making
sure
that
they've
got
the
staff
support
there
that
they
need.
So
anybody
wants
to
take
that
question.
Jump
into
it,
I
can
see
now
former
representative
holt
salivating
at
that,
because
that's
something
he's
passionate
about
me
too,
but
thank
you,
madam
chairman,.
G
There's
a
lot
to
be
said
and
in
the
question
you
just
posed
later
and
we
will
we'll
get
that
analysis
to
you.
It
shouldn't
be
a
problem,
but
what
we
do
want
everybody
to
realize
is
that
we
recognize
the
governor,
along
with
the
general
assembly,
because
the
priority
that
you
placed
on
funding,
career
and
technical
education
is
something
that
for
most
for
a
lot
of
folks
not
for
everybody,
but
for
most
folks.
G
Ffa
fits
very
congruently
into
that
that
plan,
and
that's
where
you
know
I
mean
that's
where
I
learned
to
weld
and
that's
a
you
know,
skill
that
I
still
possess
today.
That
was,
you
know,
developed
all
those
years
ago.
That
was
a
long
time
ago
now,
and
and
many
students
across
the
state
have
also
encountered
their
ability
to
interact
with
livestock
lots
of
different
trades
of
all
different
types,
public
speaking
and
also
political
engagement,
parliamentary
procedure
and
lots
and
lots
of
other
things.
We
recognize
the
value
of
that
within
the
department.
G
We
recognize
the
goals
of
the
governor.
We
recognize
the
priorities
that
the
general
assembly
has
placed
on
those
and
and
helped
to
fund,
and
so
we
we
hope
to
make
you
proud,
with
the
transition
of
those
positions
back
to
the
department
of
agriculture,
I'd
kind
of
liken
it
to
you
know,
maybe
a
coal
being
taken
away
from
the
fire
and
put
in
the
department
of
agriculture.
G
We
hope
that
when
we
can
get
those
six
positions
back
in,
we
can
keep
that
fire
of
agricultural
knowledge
and
the
desire
to
continue
to
to
teach
those
skills,
and
we
think
that
we
can
do
that
very
well
and
very
effectively
from
within
the
department
and
that's
not
a
slide
at
all
on
the
department
of
education.
We
still
continue
to
plan
to
work
with
them
hand
in
hand
on
on
these
issues,
but
appreciate
your
you
leader,
specifically
and
and
your
experience
with
ffa
and
your
willingness
to
acknowledge
its
significance.
We
we
feel
the
same.
D
K
Thank
you,
chair,
lady.
Thank
you,
I'm
dr
hatcher.
I
was
really
impressed
that
you
came
out
to
the
farm
bureau
event
friday.
I
believe
it
was,
and
but
one
of
the
questions
at
farm
bureau
that
I'd
seen
with
some
of
these
farmers
ranchers
here
was
the
russia,
belarus
situation
and
the
fertilizer
shortage
in
those
areas.
K
A
A
We
think
we
know
the
problems,
but
let
let
them
tell
us
what
the
issues
are,
identify
the
issues
and
see
if
they
might
have
recommendations
they
might,
they
might
have
a
recommendation
on
labor
or
they
might
have
a
recommendation
on
barge
traffic
or
you
know
transportation.
We
don't
know,
but
we're
going
to
convene
those
industry
partners
and
see
what
we
can
come
up
with
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
some
recommendations
that
we're
aware
of,
we
think
doing,
nothing
is
the
wrong
thing.
We
want
to
start
that
process
immediately.
K
E
Please
I
apologize
shannon
klenowski
with
the
department
of
agriculture
and
the
commissioner
touched
on
this
at
the
end
of
the
slide
show.
But
we
have
a
proposal
and
expansion.
It's
half
a
million
dollars.
It
would
be
50
000
for
10
years,
so
50
000
a
year
for
10
years.
It's
for
riparian
buffer
work,
it's
coming
through
tva,
and
they
would
provide
some
money
to
help
with
those
repairing
efforts.
There's
a
match
component
that
the
state
will
be
helping
with
and
anyone
that's
interested
in
participating
with
they
can
get
with
their
soil
conservation
district.
L
E
E
Absolutely
you've
got
a
lot
of
stream
banks
that
may
not
have
trees
or
vegetation
along
them.
So
you
get
a
lot
of
pollutants
that
will
flow
right
into
that
stream
without
being
filtered
out
by
vegetation.
So
we're
looking
at
planting
trees
along
these
stream
banks
and
kind
of
creating
that
natural
filter.
If
you
will
and
a
buffer
to
stop
those
pollutants
from
flowing
right
into
those
streams
and
keeping
the
water
cleaner,.
B
E
B
E
B
If
not,
commissioner,
thank
you.
Former
representative,
andy
hull.
Thank
you
for
it's
interesting
to
see
you
on
that
side
of
the
table
and
although
you
usurped
carol's
position,
we
know
that
that's
only
temporary
because
we
know
who
really
runs
the
department
of
ag.
So
again.
Thank
you
all
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do
and
tennessee
you
know.
Agriculture
is
part
of
our
state.
B
Seal
is
our
heritage
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
as
we
move
forward-
and
I
think
if
all
the
things
are
happening
in
the
world,
it
really
goes
to
show
how
we
need
to
be
as
independent
as
possible
on
many
things
and
certainly
critical
among
those
as
food.
So
thank
you
for
doing
your
part
to
make
sure
that
tennesseans
continue
to
grow
and
produce
products
that
we
all
go
to
the
grocery
store
and
despite
what
some
folks,
you
know,
think
those
chickens
don't
come
wrapped
in
plastic
from
the
beginning.
B
D
D
The
pandemic's
been
two
years
and
we
and
we
competed
with
employers
for
the
last
18
months,
the
two
years
on
wages
and
that's
ended
now.
So
the
question
people
have
is:
why
do
we
have
this
labor
supply
issue
if
that's
all
gone
and
it
comes
down
to
and
that
I
won't
go
through
all
these
bullet
points.
But
it
comes
down
to
a
lot
comes
down
to
a
demographic
issue
and
so
part
of
what
happened
and
we've
been
seeing
this
for
a
long
time.
Part
of
what
happened
at
the
end.
D
The
pandemic
is
the
baby
boomers,
left
the
workforce
and
there's
not
been
population
growth
behind
those
baby
boomers
to
refill
the
workforce,
and
so
that
creates
an
issue
where
you
have
actually
fewer
people
to
work
than
you
had
previously
to
the
pandemic,
and
I
need
to
say
it's
not
going
to
get
any
better
anytime
soon
as
far
as
just
the
demographic
and
the
population,
so
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
what
do
you
do?
The
bottom
part
of
this
graphic
is
traditionally
what
you
would
see
for
pipelines
to
labor
and
workforce.
D
It's
educational
pipelines,
primarily
those
numbers
that
you
look
at
are
not
going
to
get
any
higher
anytime
soon.
I
think
the
our
education,
our
higher
education
partners,
have
what
they
call
a
enrollment
cliff
where
in
2025
2026
there's
not
going
to
be
enough
18
year
olds
to
fill
classrooms
across
higher
education.
So
it's
not
just
affecting
workforce,
it's
affecting
all
facets
of
our
of
our
society.
D
D
D
The
more
good
things
happen
and
the
less
bad
things
happen,
and
so
our
focus
is
on
not
just
unemployment
rate,
which
has
reached
pre-pandemic
levels,
but
also
that
workforce
participation,
the
percentage
of
the
population,
are
actually
engaged
in
work
and
I'll
leave
you
with
one
more
number
before
we
leave
this
graphic.
So
before
two
years
ago,
in
february
there
were
3.3
million
people
engaged
in
the
workforce.
In
tennessee
we
published
numbers
that
there
are
at
3.3
million
in
change.
We
published
numbers
last
week
that
there's
3.3
million
in
change.
D
People
engaged
in
the
workforce,
3.2
million
in
change,
were
actually
employed
in
tennessee
we
published
numbers
last
week
that
3.2
million
and
change
are
published.
Now
I
mean
excuse
me,
our
engaged
are
employed
now,
so
it's
the
same.
Tennessee
has
done
yeoman's
work
to
keep
us
where
we
are
maintain
this.
D
You
know
not
lose
any
ground,
but
if
we
are
going
to
grow
and
prosper
as
a
state
that
workforce
participation
rate
has
got
to
go
up
and
the
opportunity
in
that
calamity
is
a
lot
because
again,
if
we
engage
our
citizens
economically
and
and
engage
them
in
prosperity,
a
lot
of
good
things
happen
and
a
lot
of
bad
things.
Don't
one
more
slide
and
then
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
dwayne
scott.
Our
deputy
commissioner
on
the
trust
fund,
we're
always
interested
in
the
trust
fund,
and
just
the
high
note
there
is.
D
I
The
operation
of
workers
compensation
requires
an
enormous
amount
of
data.
We
get
about
90
000
claims
a
year
involving
about
500
000
transactions.
Each
transaction
has
up
to
214
data
elements
and
it
involves
850
million
dollars
a
year.
Approximately
that's
a
lot
of
data,
and
it
is
critical
that
that
data
be
correct.
That
helps
the
system.
It
helps
us
understand
whether
or
not
claims
were
accepted
or
rejected.
The
amount
of
claims
benefits
that
were
paid.
I
It's
also
used
to
help
us
evaluate
the
quality
of
the
services
provided
by
insurance
companies.
This
year
we
will
make
our
first
report
card
on
insurance
companies
that
deal
with
workers
comp.
So
all
that
massive
amount
of
data
and
the
requirement
for
accurate
data
has
led
to
our
request
for
a
contract
for
a
processing
company
for
the
data
and
what
they
would
do
is
they
would
make
sure
the
data
complies
with
our
data
elements
that
are
a
nationally
established
standard
for
data.
They
will
make
sure
that
they
have
corrected
data.
I
K
These
three
positions
will
kind
of
be
three
grand
divisions
we
that
we've
established
across
the
state
and
these
three
positions
will
probably
do
inspections,
training
and
then
consultative
visits
regarding
the
employment
laws
that
the
commissioner
mentioned
earlier
for
for
business
out.
There,
we've
benchmarked
against
a
couple
of
other
states,
north
carolina
and
kentucky,
and
we're
very
much
in
line
with
that,
we're
moving
from
nine
to
twelve
inspectors
and
that's
the
proposal
for
the
220
100
for
this
2023.
M
Good
morning,
denise
thomas
with
the
department
of
labor
and
workforce
development,
our
next
ask
is
roughly
nine
million
dollars,
and
this
is
for
virtual
education
for
jail-based
learners.
The
department,
during
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
purchased
75
tablets
for
a
pilot
project
in
the
county
jails.
In
blunt
grundy
and
gibson
counties,
there
are
25
24
tablets.
M
There's
a
digital
library,
that's
available
on
the
tablets
and
they're
able
to
use
this
so
that
we
didn't
lose
any
time
with
folks,
I'm
working
on
on
re-entry
activities
upon
release.
This
nine
million
dollars
would
provide
for
the
expansion
of
that
partnership
with
sheriffs
and
county
jails,
to
allow
tablets
to
be
in
each
of
those
facilities.
M
This
will
also
allow
them
things,
such
as
related
instructions,
so
for
apprenticeship-like
opportunities
on
the
job
training
opportunities
they
can
take
advantage
of
the
related
curriculum.
All
from
the
tablets-
and
these
are
self-contained
devices
roughly
2.2
of
that-
is
for
the
purchase
of
the
tablets,
the
remainder
being
the
programming,
maintenance
and
contractual
obligations
related
to
that.
M
The
next
ask
is
for
204
800,
that
is
for
four
full-time
staff
that
will
work
across
the
state.
These
folks
will
function
in
more
of
a
liaison
role,
so,
as
individuals
are
learning,
we
will
be
able
to
connect
them
back
to
our
american
job
centers,
to
help
with
case
management
and
oversight
for
employment.
The
goal
is
to
try
to
create
employment
opportunities
before
release.
These
four
individuals
will
be
responsible
for
doing
that
in
partnership
with
the
american
job
centers
across
the
state
and,
lastly,
there's
a
five
million
dollar
interdepartmental
request
through
department
of
corrections.
M
This
is
to
increase
outcomes
for
the
adult
basic
education
program
to
increase
increased
literacy
and
attainment
of
high
school
equivalencies
in
the
department
of
corrections
facility.
This
is
in
partnership
with
corrections
and
to
expand
our
adult
education
program
behind
walls,
and
that
concludes
that,
as
commissioner.
B
L
I
never
thought
I
would
email
one
department
as
many
times
as
we
did
over
the
last
two
years,
so
my
apologies
to
you
and
your
staff,
but
very
appreciative
for
the
work
that
you've
done
serving
our
communities.
We
know
because
we
live
here
that
we're
in
a
great
state,
but
your
department's
work
over
the
last
two
years
proves.
Why
and
thank
you
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
The
unemployment
benefits
system
we
appropriated
42
million
dollars.
D
Sure
we
were
heading
into
the
pandemic,
knowing
that
we
needed
a
new
unemployment
insurance
system,
then,
and
on
that
way,
and
then
with
hit
so
where
we
are
now
is
rfps
have
been
responded
to
and
we're
in
the
process
of
evaluating
those
rfps.
As
we
speak,
that's
a
lot
of
money
and
it's
likely
that
we
won't
need
that
that
the
60
million
will
replace
the
40
million,
but
the
market
has
changed
dramatically
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
almost
every
state's
in
the
market
for
a
new
system.
D
L
Yeah
the
I
appreciate
that
so
just
to
confirm
we
can
use
the
federal
dollars
first
and
then
the
balance
of
the
revenues
that
are
unused
could
come
back
to
the
state.
That's
correct!
Okay,
the
I
know
you
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,
you're,
probably
the
guy
who
has
closest
to
happen
first
of
all.
But
if
everything
going
right,
do
you
think
it's
going
to
be
december
1st,
or
do
you
think
it's
well
into
the
next
year.
D
It's
well
into
the
next
year,
and
I
wish
it
it
wasn't.
Sts
has
contracted
and
it's
good
with
a
company
called
gartner,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
familiar
with
gartner
part
of
my
background
is
working
in
it
for
a
fortune.
300
company,
so
gartner
has
always
been
a
part
of
the
role
and
and
they
estimate
for
a
successful
project.
It's
three
to
five
years
and
we
are
not
we're
going.
This
is
going
to
be
successful.
D
The
last
one
was
less
successful
than
we
had
hoped
for
matter
of
fact.
We
had
a
single
audit
finding
for
rushing
it,
and-
and
so
we
are
we'll
continue
to
have
this
conversation,
there's
nobody
who
wants
a
system
in
sooner
than
we
do,
but
it's
it
is
going
to
take
longer
than
we
would
want
to,
and
actually
what
or
the
the
you
know,
one
of
the
consulting
firms,
that
is
benchmarking
and
seeing
what
works
and
what
doesn't
is,
is
telling
us
that
it
will
right.
L
L
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
ma'am
chair,
thank
you,
commissioner,
and
your
team
on,
I
think,
was
the
third
page.
Well,
the
fifth
page
of
your
slide
on
the
cost
increase
miss
thomas
thomas.
Thank
you.
Let
me
just
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
all
did
for
us
during
the
terrible
time
we
were
having
with
the
unemployment
and
getting
people
to
serve,
get
you
know,
get
them
what
they
needed.
It
was
you
guys
responded.
N
You
know
very
quickly
when
members
were
challenged,
trying
to
service
our
constituents
and-
and
you
stepped
in
and
really
kind
of
brought
a
level
of
change
there
that
had
some
really
far-reaching
impact
on
our
constituents.
So
I
really
appreciate
it,
but
you
talked
about
the
pilot
project
that
you
all
did
so
I
I
appreciate
what
you
all
did
there
and
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
it.
N
M
M
Sts
has
worked
with
us
in
the
past,
even
in
the
pilot
to
get
the
tablet
secured.
The
balance
of
the
6.7
is
for
the
maintenance
for
the
tablets
and
all
the
programming.
So
we
didn't
just
want
these
tablets
to
be
in
circulation
without
having
the
appropriate,
evidence-based
programming
on
the
tablets
to
make
sure
that
those
participating
could
get
the
appropriate
outcomes,
and
so
that
takes
care
of
all
the
maintenance.
M
If
something
goes
wrong,
so
that
cost
will
not
be
passed
on
to
the
counties
or
to
the
local
jails
that
cost
of
maintenance
repairs.
Any
of
that
is
self-contained
within
the
purchase
of
the
tablet,
so
the
6.7
would
would
take
care
of
those
costs.
Any
contractual
arrangements
for
ongoing
use
of
those,
so
that
cost
would
not
be
passed
off
and
as
far
as
the
programming,
we
can
certainly
get
you
a
breakdown
of
all
the
programming
that
is
contained
per
tablet.
M
N
M
We
understand
infrastructure
across
the
state
is
not
equal,
so
this
doesn't
have
to
rely
on
wi-fi
from
the
jails
or
any
of
that.
These
have
built-in
cellular
capacity.
So
we
can
get
them
out
quickly.
So
once
we
complete
budget,
our
goal
will
be
to
work
with
sts
to
get
the
tablets
and
those
would
be
issued
to
to
the
shares.
Our
goal
is
to
get
them
out
as
soon
as
possible.
We
work
with
the
office
of
criminal
justice
programs
and
they
send
out
a
needs
assessment
of
sheriffs
and
we
know
that
they
want
them.
N
M
Secondly,
I'll
tell
you
in
our
pilot,
we
were
actually
absolutely
absolutely
stunned
to
see
the
amount
of
utility
across
the
usage
of
the
three
counties,
the
individuals
that
were
not
just
using
them,
but
how
deeply
they
were
using
them.
The
we
track
the
number
of
books.
They
may
check
out
the
number
of
behavioral
units
that
they
go
through,
how
deep
the
education
opportunities
are
that
they
may
take
advantage
of.
N
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
on
the
line
of
the
tablets,
there's
a
fine
line
that
we
we
have
to
balance
in
terms
of,
and
individuals
being
incarcerated
and
we're
trying
to
help
them.
All
we
can,
too,
is
that
access
to
the
tablet
24
7.,
you
mentioned
cellular
service
on
these
devices.
How?
How
do
we
manage
that?
Is
that
something
that
they
keep
all
the
time
and
are
we
viewing
what
they're
viewing.
M
So
the
sheriff's,
the
the
programming
once
we
get
the
tablets
to
the
shares
we
it
is
within
their
purview
of
how
often
they
have
access
to
those.
So
in
some
locations
they
may
have
access
during
certain
academic
hours
that
they're
available
to
do
that.
But
the
department
does
not
set
that
or
say
they
have
to
have
24
hour
access,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
it
conforms
to
whatever
that
share
needs
for,
for
that
particular
jail,
so
that
one
tablet
can
be
shared
by
multiple
inmates
right
it
doesn't
it's
not
one
tablet
per
person.
M
B
And
just
to
follow
up
later,
camper
asks
this
question.
Maybe
I
just
didn't
listen
well
to
the
response,
but
on
the
measuring
of
the
success
of
the
project,
are
we
measuring
that
by
the
number
of
inmates
who
get
jobs?
Are
we
measuring
it
by
the
lack
of
recidivism?
What
measurements
are
we
using
to
determine
success.
M
Long-Term,
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
see
a
tie-in
with
recidivism
but
short-term
we're
looking
for
one
utilization.
How
many
folks
are
taking
advantage
of
the
programming?
That's
offered.
Second,
how
much
of
that
program?
That's
specific
to
an
industry
sector
leads
to
employment
and
not
just
getting
the
job,
but
retention
of
that
job
as
well.
So
those
are
some
short-term
measurements
we'll
be
looking
at.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
had
a
few
additional
questions
related
to
the
correction
piece
notice,
there's
about
five
million
dollars
recurring
in
the
budget
for
interdepartmental
revenue,
from
tdoc,
to
increase
adult
basic
education
in
prison
jails
and
community
supervision
settings
and
about
204
or
almost
205
thousand
dollars
recurring,
to
establish
four
positions
as
part
of
the
department's
re-entry
preparation
efforts.
One
of
the
new
one
of
these
new
positions
need
to
be
created
rather
than
the
department
utilizing
vacant
positions.
M
That's
okay,
denise
thomas
deputy
commissioner,
with
the
department
of
labor,
so
our
current
positions
are
annexed
to
our
american
job
centers.
They
can
work
outside
of
the
centers
but
they're
not
trained
specifically
in
the
corrections
work.
These
four
positions
will
go
through
the
offender
workforce,
development
certification,
which
allows
them
to
have
the
skill
set
to
provide
appropriate
case
management
and
re-entry
transition
activities
for
individuals
that
are
incarcerated.
M
So
for
the
high
set
attainment
rates,
the
average
literacy
scores
that
we
were
provided
for.
The
population
is
third
grade
for
males
fifth
grade
four
females.
Our
goal
would
be
to
obviously
create
the
host
entertainment,
but
also
to
expand
literacy,
and
with
that,
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
more
of
direct
student
support
to
be
able
to
do
that
to
work
with
individuals.
M
One
on
assessments
that
we
currently
use
in
the
adult
education
program
within
labor
to
try
to
get
consistency
in
those
assessments
that
are
utilized
and
how
we
can
get
what
we
call
measurable
skill
gains
to
see
the
level
of
reading
and
math
and
those
scores
go
up.
So
we
can
expand
attainment.
How
we
do
that
is
going
to
be
worked
out
with
corrections.
There
has
to
be
an
assessment
of
what's
currently
at
play
and
if
we
need
to
go
in
and
provide
additional,
nationally
recognized
assessments
and
instruction,
the
tablets
will
help
with
some
of
that.
M
But
corrections
uses
a
different
tablet
than
what's
used
in
the
jails.
So
I'm
sure
there'll
have
to
be
some
showing
up
a
program
in
there
as
well,
because
this
is
all
theoretical.
At
this
point.
We're
going
to
have
to
get
into
assess
and
work
with
corrections
to
come
up
with
more
defined
ways
of
which
we
can
get
to
more
high
sets
and
more
level
gains.
B
And
a
follow-up
on
on
that,
it's
great,
that
we
have
these
tablets
and
available
in
jails
and
in
the
department
of
corrections,
but
I
want
to
underscore
what
commissioner
thomas
just
said
make
sure
everybody
heard
the
hat
the
average.
The
literacy
level
of
these
inmates
is
third
grade
for
males
fifth
grade
for
females.
B
That
begs
the
question
of
how
useful
tablets
can
be,
if
you're,
only
reading
at
a
third
grade
level,
then
how
are
we
making
sure
that
that
those
programs
are
actually
you
know
if
I'm
reading
at
third
grade
and
that
you
hand
me
a
tablet
how
what
kind
of
programming
can
you
have
that
actually
is
effective?
Only
reading
at
that
level.
M
Yeah-
and
so
we
see
that
a
lot
in
our
current
adult
education
program,
even
though
it's
not
in
an
incarcerated
environment
and
a
lot
of
it-
is
work
based
education
versus
really
trying
to
take
someone
back
through
a
high
school
or
a
grade
school
experience.
It's
really
work
based
education.
We
have
individuals
now
that
we
serve,
and
commissioners
shared
these
numbers,
roughly
450,
000
plus
working
age,
adults
in
tennessee,
without
a
high
school
diploma.
That
number
is
even
higher
if
you
count
those
outside
a
working
age.
M
But
what
we
do
is
we
approach
it
through
a
work
based
education
model.
We
know
these
folks
can
work
and
we
know
they
have
competency,
even
though
it
may
not
be
in
the
traditional
setting,
and
so
what
we
do
is
we
try
to
build
on
that,
so
that
they
can
be
able
to
work
and
earn
as
opposed
to
leaving
them
without
any
of
those
skills,
and
so
we
do
it
through
a
work
based
environment.
M
M
So
it
starts
right
where
they
are
and
then
there's
an
opportunity
to
continue
to
increase
that
as
an
individual
score
successfully
on
their
assessment,
they're
able
to
pass
sort
of
this
these
primary
objectives,
and
then
it
continues
to
build
so
the
curriculum
can
be
catered
to
a
person,
so
they're
not
coming
in
sort
of
at
a
10th
grade
level,
if
they're
not
reading
there.
So
the
assessments
are
very
important
on
the
front
end.
So
that's
how
we
do
it
outside
in
the
free
world.
M
D
We
try
to
get
them
to
the
high
school
diploma,
because
that
unlocks
a
lot
of
doors
and
so
the
whole
mindset
there
is
of
a
literacy
program,
meeting
people
where
they
are
and
bringing
them
up.
So
it's
not
something.
That's
foreign
that
you're
going
to
run
into
somebody
with
third
or
fifth
grade
to
denise's
point,
whether
you're
incarcerated
or
whether
you're
not
incarcerated,
and
try
to
build
those
literacy
skills
from
there.
B
B
So
we
have,
we
have
got
to
do
better
as
a
state,
and
I
hope
that
that's
part
of
what
we'll
be
focusing
on
with
the
new
education
funding,
but
we
cannot
lose
yet
another
generation
of
kids
who
cannot
read
and
if
you
can't
read,
then
there
are
so
many
doors
shut
to
you.
If
you
can
read,
then
you
don't
have
to
have
a
college
degree.
There
are
ways
to
learn,
but
you
have
to
be
able
to
absorb
the
material
in
order
to
do
that.
B
So
it's
this
group
as
we
discuss
here
and
when
we
talk
with
our
friends
from
the
department
of
education
as
we're
looking
at
the
new
funding
formula.
I
just
really
hope
that
everybody
will
keep
in
mind
that
the
main
thing
is
my
friend
across
the
in
the
other
body
says:
keep
the
main
thing,
the
main
thing
and
for
tennesseans
making
sure
that
our
kids
can
read.
That's
got
to
be
the
main
thing
and
we
have
really.
B
J
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
I
appreciate
it,
commissioner
and
your
team.
Thank
you
all
for
all
your
help
with
our
constituents
during
the
past
two
years
has
been
great,
especially.
I
want
to
recognize
tia
our
legislative
liaison.
She
was
absolutely
fabulous,
responsive,
accurate
and
we
could
not
have
functioned
without
her
help
and
support
during
this
okay.
J
D
So
we're
actually
building
that
right
now,
because
it's
not
just
up
to
us
it's
up
to
the
the
military
side
too,
and
we're
making
efforts,
especially
we're
gonna
start
with
fort
campbell
and
I'll.
Let
you
talk
about
some
specific
things
there
to
start
the
training
and
and
we're.
Actually,
we
have
a
partnership
with
kentucky
to
do
that.
We
want
them
to
come
here
to
work
that,
but
we
it
will
we're
going
to
build
continue
to
build
upon
that
I
mean.
So,
how
do
you
recruit
here's
the
jobs?
D
M
Yeah,
so
I'm
quite
proud
to
say
our
our
department
for
an
extremely
long
time,
over
20
plus
years,
has
had
a
presence
out
at
fort
campbell,
even
when
this
was
not
the
norm
across
the
nation,
tennessee
maintained
a
presence.
Our
department
of
labor
maintained
a
presence
there,
so
every
transitioning
service
member
out
at
fort
campbell.
We
we
we
touch
them.
We
give
them
information
on
our
labor
market,
where
their
jobs
are,
and
quite
frankly,
try
to
make
a
pitch
in
a
cell
so
that
they
will
call
tennessee
home
with
that
information.
M
It
allows
us
to
be
able
to
connect
them
wherever
they
may
go.
If
they
decide
to
live
outside
of
tennessee.
Can't
imagine
why,
but
we
will
connect
them
wherever
they
are,
but
if
they
choose
to
remain
here,
there's
a
survey
and
typically
it
runs
about
60
percent
of
those
folks
say
they
want
to
stay
in
tennessee,
so
we
collect
data
and
we'll
connect
them
to
wherever
they
may
decide
to
live,
if
it's
east
or
otherwise,
and
with
employers
that
are
hiring
there.
M
We're
also
working
specifically
with
fort
campbell
on
their
career
transition
programs
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
some
of
the
transitioning
service
members
and
apprenticeship
type
programs,
also
making
sure
we
can
crosswalk
their
experience
over
to
lessen
the
amount
of
training
an
employer
may
have
to
do
for
them.
So
there's
also
a
lot
of
direct
engagement.
That's
done
more
recently,
our
local
board
there's
investing
roughly
400
thousand
dollars
to
shore
up
on
the
job
training
another
program,
so
employers
will
be
able
to
get
those
transitioning
service
members
working
for
them
in
advance.
M
D
And
so,
if
I
may
too,
to
add
to
denise,
there's
400
service
members
who
transition
out
fort
campbell
every
month,
not
including
their
spouses,
so
that
number's
good.
But
we
want
the
whole
200,
000
and
so
part
of
what
we're
doing
here
is
to
leverage
across
other
other
areas
as
well.
No
matter
where
they're
coming
from.
J
B
Thank
you
and
I
apologize.
I
had
to
step
out
so
I'm
gonna
go
back
and
maybe
ask
things
that
were
answered
in
your
presentation
and
if
so
I
apologize
in
advance,
but
on
your
first
slide
when
we're
talking
about
the
labor
shortages
and
the
reason
for
those
one
of
the
things
that
you
mentioned
is
a
large
increase
in
disability
rights.
Is
that
covid
related.
D
D
B
M
So
we
have
long-standing
partnerships
with
vocational
rehabilitation,
who's
a
part
of
our
american
job
center
network
and
the
goal
for
that
program
is
to
connect
people
to
work.
We've
also
worked
with
several
of
our
local
boards
that
have
the
ticket
to
work
program
which
will
allow
individuals
that
are
collecting
disability
to
work
without
any
punitive
impact
on
what
they're
earning
on
their
disability
earnings
so
that
we
can
get
them.
M
Acclimated
have
to
give
incredible
kudos
to
department
of
developmental
intellectual
disabilities
that
we've
also
are
working
with
as
well,
because
we
know
they
have
individuals
that
are
ready
to
go
to
work.
Part
of
our
job
through
our
business
services
team
is
to
have
a
unified
approach,
so
employers
will
be
able
to
hire
those
folks
and
vr
can
make
the
appropriate
accommodations
needed
in
in
for
certain
occupations.
So
we
are
working
with
them,
but
we
would
like
to
see
an
expanded
ticket
to
work
participation.
B
Thank
you,
and
also
you
mentioned
on
that
first
slide:
significant
drop
in
labor
force
participation
of
16
to
24
year
olds,
which
you
know,
there's
no
lack
of
opportunity
for
entry-level
jobs.
So
what
do
you
attribute
that?
And
what,
if
anything,
is
the
department
doing,
along
with
you
know,
interdepartmental
efforts
with
education
and
other
folks
to
to
get
people
in
the
workforce
and
just
to
see
what
it's
like
to
earn?
A
paycheck.
D
But
it
is
a
workforce
development
area
that
the
key-
and
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly
third
grade
reading
level
and
a
16
year
old,
having
some
sort
of
work,
experience
and
everything
gets
better,
and
so
those
work
based
learning
programs
at
160,
000,
juniors
and
seniors
having
an
ability
to
go
to
work
and
work
while
they're
before
they
get
out
of
high
school
and
understand
not
just
the
paycheck
but
the
self-respect
and
the
pride.
And
what
work
is
and
you
go,
and
you
have
that
informal
family
that
helps
you
do
the
right
thing.
D
All
that
thing
is
is
to
introduce
kids
to
work
earlier
than
they
are
now
and
so
to
try
to
turn
that
16
to
24
age
bracket
around
is
critical
and
to
introduce.
I
think
most
of
us
learned
how
to
work
when
we
went
to
work
and
to
introduce
that
as
part
of
a
system-wide
change,
not
just
an
added
thing,
but
a
system-wide
change
to
introduce
kids
to
work
is
truly
truly
important
and
being
invested
in
by
commissioner
schwen
and
her
folks,
and
we
we
have
each
other
on
speed.
D
Dial,
no
problem
with
that
and
again,
if
we're
a
barrier
for
employers
doing
that,
we
work
to
remove
that
barrier
so
that
they
can.
They
can
expand
those
programs.
So
that's
a
key
one
when
we
think
about
not
just
labor
and
workforce,
but
the
workforce
development
system
as
a
whole
to
get
those
kids
involved
in
work.
B
In
my
final
question,
you
know
what
you've
alluded
to
there:
it's
somewhat
akin
to
turning
the
titanic
around
it's.
It's
not
a
short-term
fix-
and
you
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
new
technology
program
that
you're
working
through
sts
the
three
to
five
year
implementation
or
to
fruition
kind
of
date.
So
what
are
we
doing
in
the
meantime?
You
know
I'm
praying
that
we
don't
have
another
outbreak
or
any
other
situation.
That
would
cause
a
lot
of
loss
of
employment,
but
if
we
did,
what
are
we
doing
to
make
sure
that
the
system?
D
D
And
one
thing
I
do
feel
the
need
to
say
you
can't
really
judge
what
happened
unless
you
judge
it
in
context
and
how
you
judge
it
in
context
is
to
see
how
other
states
fared,
and
I
am
confident
in
saying
that
tennessee
did
in
the
top
five
percent
maybe
higher
and
how
we
made
it
through.
It
didn't
feel
like
it
and
it
took
your
help
to
get
us
there,
but
it
was
bad
all
around.
D
B
I
appreciate
that
I
used
to
work
for
a
large
company
and
we
prided
ourselves
on
98
satisfaction
in
certain
areas
and
I
always
thought
that's
really
great
unless
you're
in
the
two
percent
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
with
with
the
unemployment.
If
you
were
one
of
those
folks
who
weren't
able
to
get
your
benefits
and
you
had
hungry
children
at
home,
then
you
know,
I
doubt
they
care
very
much.
Tennessee
was
best
of
the
worst.
D
B
Worst
of
the
worst,
so
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
are
hopefully
on
a
parallel
track.
While
we
wait
for
this
new
system
to
be
developed
and
implemented,
that
we're
also
taking
lessons
learned
from
the
system
that
we
have
to
deal
with
until
then
to
make
sure
that
that,
should
we-
and
you
know
again-
we
all
pray
not,
but
should
we
have
some
kind
of
similar
situation
or
even
on
a
smaller
scale,
that
we
would
be
able
to
take
those
lessons
and
apply
it
and
do
a
better
job
for
the
citizens
of
tennessee.
B
I
think
sometimes,
when
we're
up
here
and
we're
talking
about
these
holistic
numbers
and
we're
we're
talking
about
multi-millions
of
dollars
and
billions
of
dollars,
it's
easy
to
forget
that
those
dollars
represent
real
people
with
real
problems,
in
that
you
know,
they're
individuals
who
are
impacted
either
adversely
or
positively,
by
the
decisions
that
we
make.
So
again,
I'm
on
my
side,
soapbox
today,
I
apologize
that
you
have
to
be
the
recipient.
B
B
C
P
P
I
share
that
belief
and
it's
it's
true
and
also
believe
that
right
now,
tdec
is
at
its
best,
and
we
owe
much
of
that
to
the
close
partnership
and
conserv
comma
vision
with
the
members
of
this
committee,
and
I
want
to
thank
those
for
a
lot
of
the
great
input
that
we
receive
throughout
the
year
when
our
department
is
at
our
best.
Our
work
contributes
to
our
economy
and
the
overall
quality
of
life
in
tennessee,
and
we
make
those
contributions
through
our
efficient
and
effective
environmental
programs.
P
P
The
new
positions
are
going
to
be
spread
across
our
division
of
water
resources
and
air
pollution
control
to
help
with
the
very
complex
permitting
process,
inspections,
air
modeling,
storm
water
and
sewer
plant
reviews
and
other
related
work.
The
largest
part
of
those
funds
support
stream
of
wetland
offsets,
should
it
be
necessary
for
tdot
and
local
governments
as
infrastructure
develops
around
the
site
and
second
independent
of
blue
oval
city.
The
rest
of
tennessee
is
seeing
record
growth
and
an
increase
in
the
pace
of
economic
development
work
in
our
sub
lexus
growth.
P
It
serves
the
construction
and
real
estate
industries
and
all
residents,
particularly
rural
residents,
with
septic
system,
construction
and
repair
requests
and
other
related
services
permit
issuance
in
associated
system.
Construction
oversight
are
a
critical
component
to
growth
in
areas
that
are
not
served
by
public
sewers.
P
P
We've
requested
14
new
positions
and
associated
funding
for
for
these
plus
four
vacancies
that
are
going
to
be
transferred
to
the
program
at
this
point,
I'll
I'll
defer
to
the
will
of
of
the
chair
and
the
committee
as
to
whether
or
not
you'd
like
to
discuss
other
line
items
that
are
in
our
in
our
slides
or
or
we're
happy
to
entertain
questions.
Madam
chairman,.
B
P
J
I
always
stop
at
the
state
parks
and
you
know
in
the
army,
we
call
it
command
climate
and
you
can
tell
the
people
love
working
there
and
the
commissioner
that
what
you
they
all
love
when
you
come
and
and
hire
within,
and
I
think
that
really
generates
loyalty
and
I
hadn't
been
much
on
the
benzene
side.
But
you
know
I
know
y'all
do
a
great
job.
Also
listen.
My
question
has
to
do
with
local
parks
acquisition
fund
that
has
grown
from
30
million
in
2019
to
over
41
million
in
2021..
Q
Thank
you,
representative,
woodson
I'll
I'll.
Take
that
real
quickly.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
support
of
our
state
parks,
particularly
in
the
last
year,
you
carried
one
of
our
bills
that
helped
our
rangers
significantly
in
making
sure
that
they
had
the
kind
of
law
enforcement
opportunities
and
and
protection
that
they
deserve.
So
we
really
appreciate
your
support
to
answer
that
question.
Q
That's
the
state
state
lands
acquisitions
fund
and
that
fund
comes
from
real
estate
is
taking
out
the
real
estate
taxes,
which
is
you
know,
real
estate
has
been
going
crazy,
so
a
lot
of
that
increase
has
been
because
of
the
money
coming
into
that
fund.
So
we've
had
a
lot
of
money
coming
into
that
fund,
we're
very,
very
careful
and
very
judicious
about
land
that
we
purchase
and
so
there's
a
process
that
we
go
through.
Q
Q
B
Q
I'd
be
glad
to
madam
chair,
I
appreciate
the
question.
It
is
something
that
has
been
very
difficult
for
everyone
that
has
been
involved
in
this
over
the
last
two
years
because
of
covid
pools
all
across
the
state,
including
the
community.
Pools
at
state
parks
have
been
closed.
So
that's
been
a
condition.
We've
dealt
with
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
During
that
time
we
took
the
opportunity
to
look
at
our
pools
and
to
say
what
is
it
gonna?
What
is
it
what's?
What's
kind
of
status?
Q
Q
We
are
reopening
some
pools
that
doesn't
get
said
very
often,
but
there
are
pools
that
are
reopening
some
of
those
that
are
most
visited,
and
so
that's
that's
where
we
are
that's
what
we're
doing.
We've
actually
had,
at
least
at
least
one
of
our
pools
that
we
looked.
We
talked
to
the
county
about
taking
over
the
pool
and
the
county.
Looked
at
the
numbers
looked
at
what
we
were
doing
in
the
county
actually
decided
that
we
were
correct
and
that
they
weren't
it
wasn't
a
good
opport
opportunity
for
them
either.
Q
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
If
you
don't
mind
the
interest
of
time,
if
I
can
go
back
and
forth
with
them
a
little
bit
this
one
of
my
favorite
departments
to
to
to
talk
with
and
to
deal
with,
started
a
career
there,
and
I've
always
appreciated
your
role
in
our
state
and
in
keeping
our
resources
protected
and
taking
care
of
our
citizens
and
and
what
they
desire
in
the
governor's
proposed
budget.
O
There's
an
included
13.4
million
that
you
just
referenced
a
few
minutes
ago
for
the
mega
site
related
issues,
and
I
I
guess,
got
a
couple
questions
about
that:
what
necessary
infrastructure!
If
any
of
this
is
infrastructure
related,
would
this
actually
go
to
support
and
then
for
environmental
readiness
and
then
how
will
that
funding
exactly
be
utilized
primarily.
P
Okay,
I'll,
yes,
chairman
todd
I'll,
take
a
stab
at
at
that
one
and
and
there
are
37
positions
there.
The
vast
majority
of
those
are
division
of
water
resources.
There
are
six
for
air
pollution
control
and
anytime
you
have
a
facility
such
as
blue
oval
city,
with
all
the
the
different
components
of
that
you
know.
P
This
is
a
rural
area.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
folks
served
by
septic
systems
out
there,
it's
a
very
complex
location
to
do
evaluations
to
site
septic
systems
because
of
the
soils
and
then
and
then,
when
you
look
at
the
the
wastewater
drinking
water
infrastructure
crossing
streams,
wetlands
things
like
that,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
additional
related
work
associated
with
that
now
many
of
these
positions
over
the
long
term
will
be
fee
funded
as
as
we're
up
and
running,
and
we
catch
back
up
on
that
right.
P
O
Certainly
not
enough
paul
brawley's
standing
in
the
wings.
I
know
we
need
more
of
him,
so
I
I
can.
I
appreciate
that
explanation
because
I
could
see
maybe
an
increase
of
a
small
number
of
of
folks
that
would
watch
the
construction
and
watch
the
developments
and
and
from
an
inspection
standpoint,
but
certainly
the
ongoing
permitting.
G
P
O
P
O
R
Elaborate
on
that,
I
think
that's
a
great
question
about
the
positions
associated
with
the
mega
site
and
I
think
the
the
the
use
of
the
term
mega
sites
a
little
bit
of
a
misnomer.
What
we're
talking
about
in
these
positions
and
these,
this
type
of
work,
is
really
the
entirety
of
west
tennessee
and
the
result
of
the
growth
from
the
mega
site.
That's
going
to
probably
be
you
know,
10
15
years
ongoing,
so
just
to
add
some
context
there.
It's
it's
really
a
regional
high
growth
projection
that
will
occur
for
years.
O
Thank
you
for
pointing
that
out.
I
I
was
gleaning
that
from
what
the
commissioner
said,
but
I'm
sure
others
may
not.
But
having
worked
in
that,
I
could
certainly
understand
that
and
thank
you
for
that
clarification,
alternative
work,
site
opportunities,
so
I've
been
curious
to
see-
and
I
haven't
looked
through
all
the
details
of
the
budget
yet
but
with
aws
and
and
so
many
of
your
folks
working
from
home.
P
Yeah,
I
would
yes,
sir.
I
would
love
to
to
speak
to
that
in
in
calendar
year,
23,
we
think,
probably
july
to
december.
We
will
be
moving
from
the
tennessee
tower
to
davy
crockett
tower
and
we're
projecting
about
a
30
percent
footprint
reduction
at
that
location,
and
it
is
a
bit
more
complicated.
We
like
we
have
an
I.t
modernization
project
going
on
at
the
same
time
which
we're
calling
t
deck
modernization
because
we
are
trying
to
modernize
the
workforce
for
the
future.
P
So
we
should
see
a
30
savings
in
our
cost
out
of
the
tennessee
tower,
which
we
have
about
eight
to
900
employees
in
the
tower
right
now
and
and
coupling
that,
with
it
modernization
making
work
in
the
field,
you
know
our
inspectors
having
their
documents.
You
know
there
on
hand
in
their
tough
books,
makes
it
so
much
better,
and
I
can
say
well.
P
P
One
of
my
constituents
doesn't
have
their
septic
tank
on
time,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
seen
is
a
huge
gain
in
efficiency
in
parts
of
our
departments
where
we
are
going
to
alternate
work
solutions,
so
the
significance
are
going
to
be
saving
our
significant
savings
are
going
to
be
significant.
I
don't
think
I'll
give
you
an
exact
number
on
that
right
now.
I
would
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that.
P
O
So
I
appreciate
you
doing
that
and
and
just
one
last
thing,
I
I've
told
you
this
many
times
all
of
you
and
your
deputy
commissioners,
that
your
your
staff
does
a
great
job
and
certainly
your
liaisons
and
and
what
they
bring
us
and
how
they
share
with
us
how
they
inform
us,
which
is
so
critical
in
this
process.
They
do
a
tremendous
job.
So
just
wanted
you
to
know
that,
and
it's
been
it's
great
to
work
with
each
one
of
you
as
well.
You
all
do
a
fantastic
job.
Thank
you.
B
B
P
Madam
chair,
being
a
geological
engineer
and
and
loving
to
study
the
memphis
sand
aquifer,
I
could
talk
about
this
ad
nauseam.
I
I
will.
I
will
not.
I
saw
the
thank
you
coming.
So
no,
there
there's
very
v.
No
there's
no
threat
from
the
mega
site.
For
that
I
mean
you'll
hear
west
tennessee
is
one,
is
one
of
the
greatest
recharge
areas
of
the
memphis
sand
aquifer
the
mechanisms
by
which
that
that
aquifer
is
recharged
are
are
fairly
technical.
P
P
I
would
say,
for
the
most
part
t
tdec
is
the
watchdog
on
the
all
the
regulatory
programs,
the
air,
the
the
surface
water,
groundwater
and
we
work
collaboratively
with
university
of
memphis
and
other
partners,
including
farm
bureau
in
west
tennessee,
to
to
keep
an
eye
on
protect
that
aquifer.
It
is
one
of
the
most
prolific
aquifers
in
the
world,
a
tremendous
resource
for
tennessee.
P
P
R
If
I'm
a
chairman,
my
name
is
greg
young
deputy
commissioner
for
the
bureau
of
environment
I'll
I'll.
Try
to
answer
your
question
there,
just
the
basic
numbers
right
now
of
the
sites
that
we're
looking
at
there's,
10
million-
that's
obligated
for
what
are
called
national
priority
list
sites.
We
believe
there
are
19
of
those
in
tennessee
and
for
the
there's
another
30
million.
That's
been
obligated
what
we
call
gasby
49
sites
that
are
contaminated,
but
don't
rise
to
the
worst
of
the
worst
level
that
you
find
in
the
federal
super
fund.
R
We
have
estimated
29
of
these
sites.
We
are
actually
really
excited
about
having
this
funding,
because
we
believe
that
we
will
approximate.
I
think
we
can
get
well
on
our
way
to
cleaning
up
all
those
29
sites,
or
at
least
about
we're,
estimating
about
75
of
them.
We
can
get
underway
with
this
infusion
of
money,
so.
P
R
That
that
is
exactly
what
we
are
estimating
now
in
full
transparency.
Some
of
these
sites
have
been
ignored
for
a
while,
and
so
we
need
to
get
updated
information
testing.
That
kind
of
thing
to
see
has
there
been
natural
attenuation,
natural
improvements
where
we
may
not
need
to
go
and
spend
quite
as
much
money,
or
it
might
be
the
other
case
where
we
need
to
spend
more,
but
you
know
so
that's
going
to
be
step.
One
is
getting
a
really
good
understanding
of
what
we're
dealing
with,
but
our
estimates
are
75.
Yes,
sir.
C
R
B
And
I
guess
an
additional
question,
as
we
you
know,
there's
less
property
available
in
our
state,
because
we've
been
very
fortunate.
We
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
tennessee
from
outside
internationally
and
nationally,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
brownfield
developments
in
areas
like
mine
that
are
could
be
used
for
something
else,
but
they
do
require
remediation.
So
if
you
could
kind
of
help
understand
how
that
process
would
work-
and
I
said
commissioner-
did
you
want
to.
P
P
The
state
has
one
of
the
best
brownfield
redevelopment
programs
out
there,
basically
we're
going
into
cleaning
those
sites
up,
making
them
safe,
putting
them
back
into
beneficial
reuse
for
business,
industry
and
or
green
space
recreational
areas,
and
I
one
of
the
reasons
I
want
to
take
this
question
because
we're
very
fortunate
to
have,
I
think,
one
of
the
best
environmental
attorneys
in
the
state
working
for
us
and
deputy
commissioner
young,
and
he
worked
in
a
number
of
well
okay.
Let
me
can
I
retract
that,
from
the
record.
B
P
R
Yeah
the
commissioner
has
made
me
blush
at
this
point.
Thank
you
for
those
nice
comments,
I'll
be
happy
to
elaborate
on
that.
Just
with
just
a
couple
of
points
almost
said,
your
honor
with
just
a
couple
of
points
in
the
in
the
broader
scale,
cleanup
activity
that
we
are
looking
at
doing.
One
of
the
core
principles
that
we
have
adopted
is
returning
contaminated
sites,
economic
viability,
and
you
do
that
by
employing
the
brownfield
statute
that
this
general
assembly
passed.
You
do
that
by
employing
risk-based
measures
that
look
at.
R
B
R
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
back
to
west
tennessee.
This
involves
the
west
tennessee
river
basin
authority
and
y'all's
budget.
There's
25
million
dollar
non-recurring
in
state
funding
to
match
some
federal
funding
from
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers
for
some
maintenance
projects.
However,
the
department's
only
prostate
about
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Can
you
elaborate
on
just
why
that
match?
Isn't
there,
and
can
you
just
explain
a
little
bit
more?
What's
going
on.
P
P
So
one
the
next
one
is
north
fayette
county,
which
is
you
know,
north
of
somerville
oakland
right
there
in
in
blue
oval
city
sweet
spot,
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
stabilization
of
cypress
creek.
If
you
can
imagine
it
like
a
mini
grand
canyon
in
west
tennessee
that
threatens
bridges
and
gas
pipelines
and
and
things
of
that
nature
so
and
one
other
piney
creek,
which
is
down
in
hardiman
county.
Another
distressed,
I
think
it's
at
risk.
P
I
think
it's
royal
oak
charcoal
down
there
now
later,
gant
and
and
some
others.
So
so
we
had
the
opportunity
to
project
ahead
two
or
three
years,
and
these
are
either
it's
65,
35
or
75
25.
I
could
go
get
into
the
details
of
each
of
the
projects.
That
would
vary,
how
the
money
spent,
but
this
would
carry
those
projects
through
and
the
state
would
realize
investing
25
million
and
in
return,
get
about
75
70
to
100
million
from
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers.
C
P
Probably
not
over
the
next
parts
of
it
for
the
next
three
or
four,
but
but
probably
the
running
real
foot
may
take
a
little
longer
just
because
of
the
magnitude
of
the
project,
maybe
like
a
five
or
six,
but
at
least
that
that
that
the
the
base
authority
is
able
to
enter
into
that
federal
cooperative
service
agreement
with
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers
to
move
that
forward.
And
it
shows
that
the
state
of
tennessee
is
serious
about
these
projects.
S
S
R
R
R
It's
really
a
zero
entry,
but
it's
for
six
positions
that
were
already
contemplated
during
the
prior
legislation.
We
just
need
approval
for
those
in
order
to
be
able
to
move
forward.
Currently,
I
believe
we're
only
spending
the
federal
development
grant
monies.
In
other
words,
I
don't
think
we
are
dipping
into
any
of
the
general
assembly
obligated
monies
yet,
and
I
think
that
is
a
yearly
anticipated
to
be
a
budget
of
871,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
okay.
C
C
Hi,
I'm
scott,
graham
I'm
the
budget
director
for
the
department.
Yes,
so
greg
you're
exactly
right,
so
we
are
have
871
in
the
budget
right
now
for
this
this
upcoming
year,
we'd
anticipate
spending
all
of
that
money
because
we're
still
on
the
development
grant
from
the
federal
government
right
now,
but
but
we
we
do
have
money
in
the
budget
to
start
to
continue
that
effort.
R
S
P
P
So
we
saw
this
as
a
huge
need
and
it
also
has
to
do
with
revenue
collection
from
our
department,
whereas
whoever
we're
permitting
they
pay
fees,
we
do
inspections,
they
pay
fees
and
that's
the
way
that
we're
able
to
pay
for
many
of
our
functions.
So
so
there
were
a
lot
of
holes
that
were
there
and
and
at
the
time
we
did,
we
asked
for
15
million.
We
were
like
might
be
12,
it
might
be,
it
might
be
18.,
we
don't.
P
We
don't
really
know,
but
we've
got
to
get
started
with
this
process,
so
we've
gone
through
and
mapping
the
processes
and
working
with
sts
state,
strategic
solutions
and
working
through
that
now
we
have
ernst.
Young
is
working
with
us
on
mapping
some
processes,
so
so
I
feel
really
good
about
where
we're
going.
I
think
we
start
to
see
some
significant
changes
going
forward
to
answer
your
question:
is
that
enough?
We
think
so,
but
as
technology
evolves
over
time,
you
know.
L
Thank
you,
commissioners,
and
thank
you
for
good
work,
obviously
really
excited
about.
What's
going
on
with
parks,
we
spent
a
little
bit
of
money
in
the
last
couple
years
and
so
got
to
see
some
new
things
come
online
at
cummins
fall,
creek
falls
things
close
to
my
district,
which
is
great.
I
did
notice
it
in
the
budget,
though
there's
a
half
a
million
dollars
in
new
recurring
revenue
as
it
relates
to
marketing
of
our
state
parks.
L
Q
Yeah,
thank
you
representative,
appreciate
that
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
going
on
in
and
near
your
district
and
we're
really
excited
about
about
the
parks
I'm
going
to
get
to
the
last
part
of
your
question.
First,
we
probably
from
my
understanding.
Obviously
I
wasn't
here
before
we
have
one
of
the
best
relationships
with
tourism.
Q
I
think
that
we've
ever
had-
or
at
least
let
me
just
say
it's
very,
very
good,
the
commissioner
of
tourism
and
I
go
back
a
long
way
long
before
we
were
in
government
and
so
we've
been
working
with
them
and
and
we
meet
with
them
a
lot
on
outdoor
recreation
and
some
of
the
initiatives
that
we're
working
on.
So
there's
a
lot
of
coordination
there.
Q
As
far
as
the
the
marketing
budget
is
concerned,
so
we
tennessee
state
parks
generate
slightly
less
just
almost
half
of
our
operating
budget.
We
have
to
do
we
generate
that
through
a
hospitality
venue
such
as
the
lodges
and
cabins
and
campgrounds
and
those
types
of
things.
So
that's
what
we
have
to
do
in
order
to
keep
running
and
the
or
we've
been
doing
that
on
a
marketing
budget.
We've
been
generating
about
45
million
dollars
a
year
on
a
marketing
budget
of
about
of
about
250,
000,
so
very
low
marketing
budget.
Q
Our
marketing
team
is
incredible.
Two
things
with
the
new
marketing
money
that
you're
referring
to
one
is
we're
going
to
bump
that
budget
a
little
bit,
and
so
we're
going
to
try
to
help
that
and
we've
got
some
new
ends
coming
online.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
ends
get
the
kind
of
roi
that
the
general
assembly
expects
from
the
all
the
money
that's
been
put
into
those
new
ends
and
lodges
and
and
all
the
campgrounds
and
everything
else.
Q
So
we
need
some
marketing
money
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
deliver,
and
so
that's
a
very
about
250
000
will
go
toward
that.
That's
a
very
small
investment
for
the
literally
over
100
million
dollars
that
we're
putting
into
these
facilities
the
other
piece
of
that.
Another
piece
of
that.
That
amount
is
that
we
have
to
develop
a
new
website.
Our
website
was
developed
in
2013.,
and
so
we
that
is
ancient
in
in
today's
terms,
for
a
website,
we
have
to
develop
a
new
website.
Q
That's
an
again
if
we're
going
to
get
the
kind
of
return
on
investment
that
we
need.
We
have
to
do
that
website.
What
that's
going
to
mean
is
we
need
some
more
development,
but
we
also
need
some
more
hosting
resources
and
we're
going
to
need
more
sophisticated
hosting
for
that,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
some
more
expense
for
that,
so
those
are
really
the
two
things
that
that's
going
to
be
used
for.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
L
It
does
I
it
does.
I'm
really
excited
too
to
I
get
got
an
email
or
text.
I
guess
the
other
day
about
a
new
retail
com
component,
where
you're
doing
some
new
merch
and
stuff
at
state
parks.
I
know
this
is
kind
of
a
huge
deal.
I
know
when
I
travel
to
other
states.
They're
state
parks,
you're,
always
looking
for
some
kind
of
merch
to
take
home
and
make
it
your
own.
Q
L
L
It
really
through
coveted,
was
kind
of
one
of
those
things
where
parks
hoping
where
we
were
able
to
kind
of
keep
tourism,
even
though
maybe
not
overnight,
but
also
keep
people
outside
and
keep
them
moving,
which
is,
I
think,
an
important
component
overall
health
of
our
state,
not
just
economically,
but
our
health
and
mental
health
as
well.
I
guess
the
question
is
how
how
long
do
you
think
it'll
take
you
to
run
that
run
through
that
number?
Q
Yes,
thank
you
for
that.
It
will
take
a
good
while
to
run
through
that
to
run
through
that.
224
million
dollars
includes
not
only
the
capital
improvements
which
are
improvements
that
we're
making
to
some
of
our
facilities,
but
it
also
includes
some
new
facilities,
which
are
I'm
sorry,
because
those
are
capital
improvements.
Capital
maintenance
are
the
improvements
to
facilities,
so
it
includes
that.
But
what
I'm
really
excited
about?
Q
So
it's
going
to
take
a
little
while
to
work
through
that,
but
it's
going
to
make
our
parks
so
much
better
and
so
much
more
modern
for
tennessee
citizens
and
an
even
greater
impact
to
tourism
for
tennessee,
which,
if
you
don't
know,
because
I
tell
everybody,
tennessee
state
parks,
have
a
2.1
billion
dollar
impact
on
tennessee
and
create
15
000
jobs
in
the
state.
So
it's
a
good
investment
yeah.
Thank
you.
L
One
last
question
charlotte:
the
I
did
notice
as
a
kid
growing
up
in
upper
east
tennessee
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
warrior,
duck
island.
There
warriors
pass
state
park
and
not
notice
that
you're
closing
that
pool
and
some
other
pools
is
it
the
the?
Is
it
the
the
guys
of
the
department
to
to
continue
to
shut
down
all
these
pools
and
and
do
something
different
is?
Is
it
the
liability
too
great,
or
is
it
the
maintenance
or
we're
spending
a
lot
of
money
there?
L
Q
L
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
will
take
that
as
to
mean
that
the
pool
was
old
and
not
I'm
old,
but
I
appreciate
your
work
in
this
space.
It's
really
it's
really
exciting
to
see
what
we're
doing
at
state
parks.
One
of
the
first
things
I
was
able
to
participate
in
was
coming
to
falls
when
I
first
got
elected,
something
that's
very
passionate
about
it
and
it
really
does
change
the
quality
of
life
of
our
state.
Our
state
parks
do,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
to
continue
that
in
the
future.
L
B
It
all
depends
on
the
perspective
and
the
eye
of
the
beholder.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
know
that
we've
had
some
conversation
here
today
already
on
some
of
these
issues,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
haven't
touched
on.
That's
really
important
to
me
and
that's
the
1.35
billion
dollars
that
the
department
has
been
allocated
for
water
and
wastewater
infrastructure.
B
Can
you
help
us
and
and
I'm
hopeful
that
my
communities
in
my
district
and
the
communities
across
the
state
are
taking
advantage
of
leveraging
not
only
these
dollars
but
the
dollars
that
they
have
been
given
directly
to
really
make
some
long-term
investments
and
improvements
in
stormwater
sewer
and
all
of
these
large
projects
where
we
have
aging
infrastructure
in
place?
The
water
loss
issue
is
has
been.
You
know
something
that
we've
dealt
with
and
talked
about
with
other
agencies
before
us.
B
But
it's
you
know:
it's
a
huge
loss
to
the
economy
each
year
and
a
cost
to
our
taxpayers
and
ratepayers,
so
just
kind
of
give
us
an
update
on
where
we
are
with
that
program.
How
you
see
that
playing
out
and
whether
or
not
our
communities
or
how
actively
they
are,
I
guess,
participating
or
applying
for
these
grants.
Well.
P
Know
and
and
madam
chair,
I
think
that
15
billion
dollar
number
is
going
to
go
up
as
we
as
we.
We
start
to
look
into
this,
but
but
our
infrastructure
is
old
and
this
is
one
of
the
most
critical
components
for
you
know
when
you
turn
on
the
your
your
tap
water
in
the
morning,
you
expect
it
to
be
safe.
When
you
know
the
you
know,
waste
waste
leaves
a
facility,
you
expect
it
to
be
cleaned
up
before
it
is
returned
to
the
environment.
P
So
we
are,
we
are.
We
have
a
a
great
team
that
is
working
on
this
and
we
are
going
to
be
starting
grant
development
workshops
in
late
march,
early
april,
4th
with
the
communities
we
have
been
doing.
Extensive
re
outreach
over
the
past
few
weeks,
we're
working
with
the
fiscal
stimulus,
accountability
group.
We
have
a,
we
call
it
the
water
infrastructure
advisory
committee,
which
is
made
up
of
a
variety
of
stakeholders.
P
So
so
we
are
working
very
hard
to
get
local
communities
to
utilize
the
money
that
they
have
to
match
the
state
dollars
or
to
co-fund
these
projects,
so
they
can
get
the
maximum
benefit.
Out
of
that,
we
will
start
looking
at
the
use
or
the
requirements
for
the
state
strategic
dollars,
but
we're
basically
trying
to
get
these
communities
to
invest
the
money
where
it's
most
strategic
and
is
going
to
provide
the
the
the
best
return
on
investment.
B
Again,
I
think
we're
just
going
to
rely
on
you
and
I
think,
if
you
believe
it
would
be
beneficial
for
members
of
this
body
to
encourage
their
local
municipalities
and
local
county
governments
to
participate
or
utility
districts.
Then
certainly,
if
you
could
let
us
know
we
would
be.
I
think
I
could
speak
for
everyone
and
be
happy
to
encourage
them
to
do
that.
R
Yes,
madam,
if,
if
I
may
comment
briefly,
the
answer
is
absolutely:
yes,
your
involvement,
your
local
knowledge,
your
ability
to
help
us
navigate
some
of
the
potential
rivalries
or
issues
that
you
find
when
it
comes
to
water
systems
is,
is
absolutely
critical.
We've
already
brought
sever
several
general
assemblies
members
in
on
those
discussions
and
we
hope
to
be
able
to
rely
on
you
all
going
forward.
Thank
you
already
for
doing
that.
B
And
I'm
certain
this
isn't
true,
but
there
might
be
sometimes
rarely
that
we
would
be
viewed
as
part
of
the
problem,
so
we
would
like,
particularly
in
this
instance,
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution
and
to
help
in
any
way
we
can
to
again.
This
is
an
unprecedented
opportunity.
It's
perhaps
1
15
of
the
needs
that
are
out
there,
but
it's
a
billion
point
three
five
dollars
that
we
would
not
have
otherwise
and
just
want
to
make
sure.
B
N
N
N
Q
In
the
because
of
the
way
it
is
there
is,
I
understand
it,
and
this
is
it's
not
our
boat
ramp.
So
it's
not
so
I'll.
Just
tell
you
what
I
understand
I
mean
not
necessarily
what
I
know
is
that
the
way
the
river
flows
around
that
it
tends
to
build
up
underneath
underneath
and
then
the
water
goes
up
and
the
water
goes
down
it's
hard
to
get
it
cleaned
out
and
keep
it
operational.
N
Thank
you
for
that
response
cause.
I
know
she
she
calls
you
all
a
lot
about.
It
and
y'all
been
very
responsive
to
her.
She
knows
it's,
not
yours,
but
she
still
want
to
make
sure
that
all
eyes
are
on
the
boat
ramp.
So
I
thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
for
that,
mr
commissioner,
could
you
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
the
increase
in
visitation
to
our
parks?
Have
we
seen
a
huge
uptick
or
I
know
we
have
a
marketing
strategy
to
bring
more,
but
can
you
talk
to
some
of
that.
Q
Be
glad
to
thank
you,
the
we've
had
a
huge
you're
in
kova.
We
had
a
huge
influx
of
people
that
wanted
to
get
out
if
you've
ever
had
small
kids
you'll
understand
the
the
need
and
the
desire
to
get
out
of
the
house
and
go
to
state
parks.
Everybody
showed
up.
Everybody
showed
up
at
our
state
parks
during
that
time,
and
our
state
parks
were
kind
of
tennessee's
therapist
during
the
during
covent.
Q
So
we
had
a
huge
increase
over
the
last
over
the
the
last
we
started
doing
economic
impact
report
and
we're
at
2.1
billion
dollars,
impact
on
the
state
of
tennessee
15,
000
jobs.
But,
more
importantly,
people
are
coming
now
what
the?
What?
What
there's
a
we
kind
of
separate
the
difference
between
people
that
come
to
our
parks
and
people
that
come
to
us
to
spend
the
night
at
our
parks.
So
our
parks,
because
of
the
I
want
to
just
say,
thank
you
all
for
the
support
of
our
parts.
Q
We've
heard
a
lot
of
that
today,
but
you
probably
don't
know
you
may
not
know
that
our
parks
are
free
for
people
to
go
to
and
that's
really
important
and
we
take
that
for
granted
in
tennessee,
because
it's
always
been
that
way.
But
the
truth
is
that
our
state
parks
are
only
one
of
we're.
Only
one
of
seven
systems
in
the
country,
seven
state
park
systems
in
the
country
where
it's
still
free
to
go
to
the
park.
Everybody
else
charges
fees.
So
so
people
are
coming
to
our
parks
and
we
want
them
there.
Q
What
the
marketing
money
is
for
is
for
the
people
that
come
and
spend
the
night
in
our
campgrounds
cabins
lodges
and
those
types
of
places.
That's
where
we
make
that's
where
we
get
the
revenue,
because
we
don't
charge
entry
fees,
that's
where
we
get
the
revenue
to
keep
our
state
parks
operating
and
that's
where
we're
asking
for
that
marketing
revenue.
N
Leader
camper,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
agree
with
you.
I've
been
on
the
website
to
try
to
book
and
navigate
for
family
reunions,
so
it
definitely
needs
some
work,
and
so
I'm
glad
that
that's
where,
where
you
want
to
put
the
money
to
get
the
people
here
it
it's
challenging
at
times,
but,
like
you
said
it
was
2013
last
time
it
was
updated
and.
Q
B
I
don't
have
any
other
questioners
on
my
list.
I
think
you
all
are
the
beneficiary
of
the
fact
that
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time.
So
again
we
thank
you
for
coming
today
and
for
answering
our
questions
and
if
you
will
just
give
us
that
the
information
that
we
requested
in
a
follow-up
periodically,
that
would
be
great
and
again
thanks
for
being
here.
B
Thanks
for
what
you
do
and
we
appreciate
the
re-look
at
the
state
park
issue
and
the
pools
and
all
that
because
there's
a
in
not
in
my
district
but
in
my
area,
there's
certainly
interest
in
a
particular
one,
and
I
know
that
other
members
have
they're
getting
a
lot
of
pressure
at
home
in
for
some
of
these
pools.
So
we
thank
you
for
being
willing
to
go
back
and
take
a
re-look
in
some
cases
have
a
good
rest
of
your
day.
Thank.
B
K
B
N
B
T
T
Who
is
our
state
historic
sites
program
director,
our
chair,
darita
coleman
williams
of
memphis,
sends
her
regard
she's
not
able
to
be
with
us
today,
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
adhere
to
the
time
frame
that
you
all
were
so
good
at
expressing
and
just
run
through
things
quickly.
We're
now
in
our
103rd
year
of
existence
and
our
duties
consist
of
both
state
and
federally
mandated
programs,
we're
a
tennessee
state,
historic
preservation
office,
and
so
we
provide
grants,
technical
assistance
and
help
citizens
conserve
their
unique
heritage.
T
We've
worked
with
developers
to
facilitate
over
1.5
billion
dollars
and
store
federal,
historic
tax
credit
certified
projects
which
have
benefited
over
a
thousand
tennessee
buildings.
Since
that
program
started,
there
are
over
almost
45
000
resources
listed
in
our
state
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
which
we
help
facilitate
with
the
national
park
service
being
the
final
empty,
approving
we're
real
pleased,
because,
just
in
january,
our
50th
certified
local
government
in
tennessee
mount
pleasant
enrolled
in
the
program
there
were
about
32.
When
I
got
here,
these
communities
receive
increased
technical
assistance.
T
T
Our
proposed
governor's
budget
this
year
for
2223
rather
is
for
4.257
million,
with
a
additional
request
of
half
a
million
for
our
historic
properties,
maintenance
fund,
which
is
for
our
state
historic
sites.
We
have
17
state
historic
sites
under
our
jurisdiction
with
some
110
buildings,
valued
at
over
75
million
that
have
been
administered
for
years
by
a
staff
of
one,
of
course,
they're
all
administered
safe
for
one.
That's
part
of
a
state
park
by
independent,
501c3
nonprofits,
but
we've
just
got
one
person
announced
to
oversee
the
maintenance
and
capital
budget.
T
So
we're
delighted
that
there's
a
second
position
included
in
the
governor's
budget,
which
will
help
us
build
the
program.
We
also
see
that,
as
a
way
to
help
implement
a
grant
program
for
our
office,
historic
property
lands
acquisition
fund
grant
program.
That
is
a
portion,
that's
the
same
kind
of
funding
source
that
the
civil
war
sites
preservation
fund
has
that's
on
your
green
sheets,
but
we
really
need
to
get
funding
out
on
that.
So
this
is
going
to
help
us
do
that.
T
We
also
requested
and
had
funded
in
the
governor's
budget,
a
attorney
position
and
assistant
counsel
to
help
us
with
our
ongoing
and
increasing
legal
work.
That
was
included,
we're
very
grateful
for
that
and-
and
that
is
much
needed
as
well.
Our
third
request,
which
is
actually
our
top
request,
was
based
on
reclassification
study
that
we
did
with
our
colleagues
in
the
division
of
archaeology
and
we
requested
a
reclassification
from
these
historic
preservation,
specialist
positions
to
cultural
resource
consultant
positions,
with
the
eye
towards
long-term
recruitment
and
retention
of
our
existing
staff.
T
We've
lost
about
eight
staff
in
the
past
five
years
when
you
think
that's
a
small
office
of
what
18..
That's
a
that's
a
large
number,
the
starting
salary
for
our
equivalent
office
here
in
town.
The
metro,
historical
commission
is
almost
20
000
a
year
higher
now
and
we
all
know
what
the
cost
of
living
is
around
here.
So
we
didn't
get
that
funded,
but
we're
hopeful
that
that
could
be
possibly
included.
T
It's
actually
a
minimal
cost
less
than
one
position
for
for
state
recurring
funding
would
be
55
57
000
a
year
in
recurring
state
funding
which
we
would
match
with
86
000
of
our
federal
funds,
which
we
get
each
year.
We
get
about
a
million
dollars
in
federal
funds
recurring
each
year
from
the
federal
historic
preservation
fund.
T
So
we
also
were
very
fortunate
and
appreciative
that
the
capital
budget
requests
this
year
included
two
crucial
projects
which
included
8.8
million
at
craigfont,
state
historic
site
and
casillian
springs
that
will
restore
the
late
1790s
main
house
as
well
as
add
event,
space
a
pavilion
and
do
some
some
great
things
with
the
grounds
that
has
been
long
awaited
and
then
we're
especially
pleased
also
that
there's
three
million
in
the
budget
to
build
the
carter
house
state
historic
site
visitors
center.
In
franklin,
there
was
a
budget
shortfall.
T
A
few
years
ago
that
was
designed
went
out
to
bid
there
was
a
funding
shortfall.
This
is
our
most
visited
state
historic
site.
That'll
allow
us
to
serve
those
over
50,
000,
plus
people
a
year
that
go
there
and
be
one
for
the
ages.
So
that's
it
in
a
nutshell.
I
can
go
listing
by
listing,
etc,
but
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
your
time
and
answer
any
questions
you
have
so
thank
you.
B
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
again,
I
just
want
to
tell
you
patrick
and
dan.
I
enjoy
so
much
working
with
you
guys
over
the
year,
and
I
appreciate
all
you
do
for
our
state
to
preserve
our
historical
heritage
and
and
look
forward
to
meeting
the
other
members
of
the
staff.
A
couple
questions
one.
We
just
recently
understand.
T
T
J
T
You
know
some
space
for
other
functions
like
multi-purpose.
You
know
whether
it's
they
don't
really
have
office
space
up
there
or
things
like
that.
So
there's
things
that
we
can
kind
of
include
in
that
and
then
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
work
on
the
grounds
too
and
and
dan
you
can
elaborate
on
anything.
If
I.
S
I
apologize
the
the
pavilion
in
that's
going
to
be
built
there
in
the
visit
in
sort
of
a
an
activity
center.
All
the
sites
generate
a
large
percentage
of
their
own
funds.
It's
the
way
that
this
we've
set
up
all
the
state
historic
sites,
the
way
the
legislature
set
them
up
so
that
they
depend
upon
these
facilities
to
be
able
to
function
and
actually
take
in
the
funds
that
they
need
to
operate,
so
they
they're
they're
very
limited
in
what
they
can
do
with
the
facilities
that
they
have.
S
So
this
is
pushing
them
to
a
new
level.
This
also
is
directly
adjacent
to
three
other
sites.
There.
You
know
wynwood
and
hawthorne
hill
and
then
castillian
mounds
area,
which
is
all
areas
that
will
benefit
from
this
as
well.
So,
but
the
main
house
is
going
to
get
a
complete
rehabilitation
and
then
there
are
some
the
connecting
garden
there
is.
It
needs
some
rehabilitation
as
well.
So
those
are
the
the
primary
projects.
S
S
It
is
obviously
an
extraordinary
amount
of
money,
but
in
that
have
been
what
we
feel
are
very
carefully
calculated
contingencies
that
are
going
to
allow
for
inflation
and
increased
prices
and
doug,
and
I
work
very
closely
patrick
and
I
work
very
closely
with
doug
every
year
for
this,
and
this
one
in
particular,
we
we've
worked
real
real.
We
focused
on
this
project
to
make
sure
that
we'll
have
the
money
for
that.
S
J
Thank
you,
and
just
for
the
record.
You
know
we
are
very
proud
of
the
state
historical
site
there
in
franklin
and
we
don't
have
a
airport,
we
don't
have
a
state
park,
we
don't
have
a
state
prison
and
we
we
don't
have
a
lake
in
weaves
and
county,
so
we
are
very
proud
of
our
state
historical
site.
My
next
question
is
in
2018
the
historical
cemetery
advisory
was
created
for
the
purpose
of
studying
protections
and
preservation
efforts
for
cemeteries
of
historical
importance
and
significance.
J
T
T
County
representative
sparks,
can
probably
speak
to
that.
We've
had
some
meetings
down
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
work
going
on
that
as
well.
So
we
we
think
that
this
is
right
on
track.
There's
some
workshops
that
have
been
brought
in
we've
got
one
coming
up
for
two
coming
up
rather
soon
on
cemetery
preservation,
workshops
and
we're
excited
about
what
we
brought.
T
That
dimension
that's
been
brought
to
that
with
because
we
get
a
lot
of
calls,
as
you
can
imagine,
on
cemeteries
with
people
being
concerned
about
them
and
and
and
there
does
need
to
be
an
increase
in
the
protection
of
particularly
grave
markers,
aren't
always
accommodated,
whereas
you
know
grave
desecration
of
the
grave
itself
is
illegal,
but
there's
some
gray
areas
with
the
markers
etc.
So
we
look
forward
to
some
some
legislation
coming
out
from
that
report.
T
C
C
T
Thank
you
represent.
Yes,
we've
had
some
really
good
times
associated
with
real
estate
transfer
tax,
particularly
in
the
past
year,
and
and
that
the
lion's
share
of
that,
as
you
may
recall,
from
the
enabling
legislation,
does
go
to
the
civil
war
sites
preservation
fund
and
then
a
smaller
portion.
A
little
over
30
goes
to
what
I
alluded
to
earlier.
The
historic
property
lands
acquisition
fund.
T
So
with
all
this,
you
have
to
have
a
willing
seller
and
then
you
have
to
have
the
applicants,
make
applicant
and
then
make
up
application,
and
this
is
set
out
to
match
federal
funding
from
american
battlefield
protection
program
funding
and
so
there's
kind
of
a
whole
system
in
place.
So,
yes,
we
do
have
reserve
funds
because
sometimes
you're
going
to
have,
particularly
in
this
past
year,
money
that
exceeds
the
applications.
T
I
think
we
got
something
like
564
thousand
from
two
applications
that
were
done
in
the
past
year
and
then
we
just
had
another
round
that
went
through
at
this
last
meeting.
So
we
we
do
have
a
surplus
in
funding
for
that
and
we
made
the
largest
one,
I
think
was
I'm
going
to
misspeak.
But
there
was
one
project
for
rutherford
county
where
we
were
able
to
protect
over
40
acres
of
the
stones.
River
battlefield.
T
Is
that
two
three
million?
I
should
remember
that
offhand,
but
it
was
the
largest
one
we'd
made
so,
and
that
was
also
the
largest
tract
of
property
that
had
been
protected
since
that
national
battlefield
park
was
created
in
1960
or
thereabouts.
So
it's
like
a
lot
of
things.
You
know
something
may
come
up
next
year.
That's
going
to
be
a
larger
project.
You
know
it
might
be
next
to
shiloh,
but
these
can
only
be
funded.
T
The
legislation's
pretty
tight
on
that
there's
the
38
battlefields
that
the
national
park
service
planning
study
said
we're
eligible
for
funding
through
the
american
battlefield
protection
program.
So
that
captures
a
lot
of
them.
But
you
know
there
were
over
a
thousand
engagements
in
tennessee
and
we
can't
fund
any,
but
the
top
38.
So
that's
another
kind
of
I
guess
limitation
if
you
will
on
utilizing
that
fund.
T
T
T
So
that
may
add
up
to
a
little
more,
but
but
again
there
weren't,
as
I
recall
and
miss.
When
can
we
funded
the
applications
that
were
received
that
met
because
they
were
the
ones
that
met
the
requirements
there
weren't
applications
sitting
on
the
table
that
didn't
get
funded
because
we're
in
a
position
where
we
did
did
have
more
money
available.
T
T
Well-
and
I'm
not
sure
that
that
balance
was
there,
I
mean
that
that
the
number
that
you're,
quoting,
I
believe,
includes,
what's
been
added
in
at
the
end
of
the
because
it
comes
in
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
like
as
it
responds.
So
yes,
but
it's
going
to
be
based
on
the
applications
received
and
the
qualifying
projects,
so
that
that
would
be
correct.
B
T
Well,
that's
that's
a
great
question,
as
you
know.
Well,
from
being
down
there,
there
are
several
tracks
that
have
been
preserved
as
part
of
that
and
the
long-term
plans
are
to
be
either
a
part
of
the
the
battlefield
proper
through
the
park
service
or
just
to
be
concerned
with
the
signage
and
things
you
say
with
the
friends
of
the
park
there
who
are
helping
lead
that
effort.
So
as
you'll
recall,
we
actually
were
able
to
purchase
brown's
tavern.
T
The
cherokee
associated
tavern
browns
ferry
itself
is
not
only
the
side
of
that
wajachi
battlefield,
but
that
was
a
departure
point
on
the
trail
of
tears.
So
there's
some
incredible
overlapping
values
there.
So
I
mean
that's
a
process,
that's
ongoing
and
that's
that's
going
to
be
dependent
as
much
on
the
local
partners
continuing
to
work
on
getting
that
transition
down
there.
T
But
we
do
have
money
through
our
grants
program
if
they
want
to
apply
to
our
wars,
commission,
for
signage
or
for
interpretive
panels
like
that,
and
so
all
of
these
projects
work,
because
just
the
staffing
pattern
we
have
they.
We
got
to
rely
on
local
partners
to
take
on
these
responsibilities.
Whether
it's
like
at
parker's
crossroads,
where
you
have
the
city
government,
is
the
primary
caretaker
of
that
battlefield
and
operates
it
or
camp
blind
in
fayetteville,
which
is
a
part
of
the
wars
commission
program
where
the
city
of
fayetteville
is
a
primary
caretaker.
T
We're
working
on
salem
battlefield
right
now
outside
of
jackson,
tennessee,
which
would
be
the
same
kind
of
thing,
would
be
a
part
of
the
county
park
system
if
it
goes
through.
So
so
again,
we
depend
on
our
local
partners
and
people
like
that.
To
do
the
lion's
share
of
that,
since
we
don't
have
like
our
friends,
our
colleagues
at
t
deck
with
park
rangers
and
the
staffing
pattern
that
allows
us
to
staff
those,
but
we
we
would
be
happy
to
to
staff
them
if
circumstances
allowed.
But
I
hope
that
helps
answer
well.
B
I
T
Well,
it's
interesting
because,
as
you
know,
that
went
from
a
little
over
2
million
to
5.4
million
and
again
we
had
an
unprecedented
year,
as
representative
lynn
talked
about
with
an
influx
of
funding
into
that,
so
that
enabling
legislation
does
several
things.
It
allows
us
to
work
if
we
so
wanted
to
make
capital
improvements
to
our
own
sites.
We
could
do
that.
T
So
the
answer
to
the
question
is:
it
grew
to
such
a
large
extent.
We've
not
had
any
projects
come
up
in
the
past
couple
of
years,
since
I've
been
here
which
is
15
years
next
week.
Actually,
we've
had
opportunities
and
we've
bought
buffer
properties
using
other
funding
sources,
and
things
like
that.
We
bought
a
couple
of
state
properties,
so
it
just
hasn't
been
in
this
three
or
four
years
that
something
had
come
up
and
then
all
of
a
sudden.
T
It
grew
to
the
point
that
a
big
part
of
this
request,
as
I
expressed
for
the
historic
sec
historic
sites
position,
will
be
able
to
utilize
a
portion
of
that
for
grant
funding
and
get
that
out
to
the
communities.
We
have
a
very
robust,
mature,
federal,
historic
preservation
grant
folk
program
that
has
given
about
28
million.
I
think
holly
since
its
inception
years
ago,
and
this
would
kind
of
be
the
same
thing.
T
We
need
to
figure
out
how
much
of
an
allocation
we
do
annually,
but
there's
still
that
opportunity
at
any
time
where
we
might
look
at
purchasing
additional
properties
or
or
buffer
property,
or
things
like
that
come
up.
So
so
that's
the
long
version
of
saying
that
we're
looking
forward
to
getting
this
implemented
because
again
it
basically
almost
like
doubled
overnight.
It's
just
been
a
big
year
for
real
estate
transfer
tax.
So.
O
I
T
No,
we
really
haven't
identified
sites
for
future
acquisition
beyond,
like
master
plans,
around
custodian
springs
that
have
identified
like
view
shed
acquisitions
or
things
like
that.
We
don't
have
a
roster
of
standing
buildings
out
there
and
again
that's
based
on
a
couple
of
factors,
including
just
limitations
on
personnel
and
resources.
T
We
we
are
dependent
entirely
on
501c3s
or
in
the
case
of
the
one
state
park
at
sycamore
shoals
to
operate
and
staff
these
places.
So
there
were,
I
think,
a
couple
that
came
on
board
early
in
my
tenure
and
then
there
meant
that
that
opportunity
may
present
itself
again,
but
but
we
do
not
have
like
a
roster
of
places
that
we're
out
looking
for
as
far
as
like
to
integrate
into
the
state
historic
sites
program.
If
that's,
if
that's
your
question.
I
T
Quite
frankly,
is
one
as
well
as
the
state
capital,
so
there
would
be
sort
of
a
keystone
character,
defining
resource
or
there's
an
opportunity
for
tourism
development
with
a
local
entity
like
a
historic
property
that
would
have
a
high
degree
of
public
access
and
long-term
support
and
sustainability.
So
so
those
those
are
the
kind
of
factors
that
would
go
into
it.
T
I
There's
advertising
tate
springs
water
for
sale
by
the
barrel,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
history
in
that
area
and
at
some
point
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about
it.
The
first
white
baby
was
born
in
bean
station
for
first
white
baby
in
tennessee
was
born
in
bean
station,
william
b.
So
thank
you
for
your
work
and
maybe
we
can
sit
down
and
talk
sometime.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
lady
commissioner.
Mcintyre
appreciate
you
always
taking
the
time
out
to
come
to
my
district,
and
but
I
was
going
to
ask
on
this
historic
preservation.
Specialist.
The
governor's
budget
includes
86
000,
roughly
for
the
full-time
position
or
that
specialist.
I
want
to
ask
what
the
what
what
all
the
workloads
with
this
in
incur,
and
this
can
this
also
include
cemeteries
and
restorations,
and
some
of
that
can
you
can
you
speak
to
that
new
position.
T
Well,
thank
you
very
much
representative
sparks
and,
and
this
position
is
intended
primarily
for
a
second
position
in
the
state
historic
sites
program.
Since
mr
brown
is
over
110
buildings
at
17
sites
that
go
from
henning
tennessee,
which
is
you
know
for
far
west
tennessee
up
to
elizabethton,
you
know
he's
he's,
stretched
pretty
thin,
and
so
there
are
a
lot
of
needs,
whether
that's
helping
administer
the
maintenance
fund
or
looking
at
the
capital
projects
where
we
get
into
things
just
helping
the
management
with
questions
of
these
sites
or
curatorial.
T
Questions
that
come
up
and-
and
so
certainly
cemeteries
are
a
part
of
that.
We're
so
lucky
that
we
do
have
a
full-time
cemetery
person
and
mr
perry,
who
I
know
you
work
with
a
lot,
but
also
since
this
position
would
be
administering
these
grants.
That's
certainly
something
where
cemeteries
can
can
apply
for
that,
and
so
I
think
that'd
be
one
tangible
way
that
cemeteries
could
be
assisted
through
this.
Yes,.
K
On
the
last
friday
I
met
with
the
company
they
they
they
develop
3d
like
a
virtual
reality
and
they
were
showing
me
a
project.
It's
national
parks,
conservation,
association,
medgar
evans,
home
down
in
mississippi,
and
it
was
a
3-d
model.
I
guess
they're
restoring
this
home,
but
have
y'all
looked
at
vr
technology,
maybe
at
some
of
the
battlefields
and
in
the
future
to
see
you
know
almost
that
I
don't
know.
If
you've
studied
this,
it's
some
pretty
neat
stuff
company.
K
T
I've
been
amazed,
I
had
a
visit
to
the
national
park
service
headquarters
right
before
the
coveted
stuff
hit
two
years
ago
and
was
looking
at
how
they
are
able
to
map
these
things
in
3d,
just
like
what
you're
talking
about,
and
so
our
federal
programs
in
particular,
are
always
at
the
cutting
edge
of
that
sort
of
thing.
I
don't
know
if
miss
barnett,
if
you
have
any
idea
on
that,
that's
an
expensive,
but
something
that
we
would
like
to
look
more
into
so
definitely.
K
It's
it's
fascinating
when
they
can
use
that
360
degree,
camera
and
you're.
I
mean
a
student
in
a
classroom.
Can
he
can
understand
what
representative
sexton's
talking
about
in
bean
station?
They
can
be
in
memphis
or
students
in
my
community
can
can
see
the
med
grabbing
home
and
see
the
bullet
the
bullet
going
through
in
the
kitchen.
It's
some
really
detailed
stuff.
I
mean
this
is
where
things
are
going,
but
but
just
want
to
just
want
to
plant
that
seeds.
C
S
S
We
anticipate
this
fall
in
september
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
in-person,
training
again
and
and
our
number
one
priority
for
that
is
the
3d
program,
or
you
know
one
of
our
top
priorities
that
we
do
there.
We
have
to
do
title
vi
and
other
things,
but
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
3d
training
program.
This
fall
with
all
the
historic
sites.
Okay,
thanks,
sir.
N
N
C
B
N
N
T
T
The
the
markers
need
to
that.
We
have
to
have
some
kind
of
agreement,
whether
we
get
we
fund
them
to
place.
The
markers
up,
they've
been
doing
it
at
their
expense
and
so
we're
working
on
that
until
that's
worked
out.
We're
not
able
to
place
any
markers
really
at
the
moment,
so
we're
hoping
that
gets
worked
out
pretty
soon,
but
we're
looking
at
how
we
get
some
some
funding
for
that.
So
thank
you.
J
T
We
we
don't
fund
them
through
our
agency.
We
had
a
grant
relationship
with
them
for
some
years
and
they
do
a
fantastic
job
and
we
funded
several
years
of
posters
for
highlighting
historic,
tennessee
properties.
They
haven't
come
to
us
for
grants
in
several
years,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
entity
if
they
get
an
annual
appropriation,
it
does
not
go
through
the
tennessee
historical
commission
but
they're
they're
great
folks-
and
I
spoke
to
the
director
just
the
other
day,
and
I
had
this
interesting
trivia
question.
I
knew
he
would
know
the
answer
so.
B
Well,
director
mcintyre,
thank
you.
We
know
you're
we're
keeping
you
from
lunch
and
vice
versa.
So
we
thank
you
again
for
coming
today
and
answering
our
questions
and
if
we
have
follow-up,
then
we'll
get
back
in
touch
with
you
directly
and
for
the
committee
as
a
whole
committee.
We
are
standing
in
recess,
but
we
will
be
back
at
three
o'clock
this
afternoon.
Commissioner
ely
will
be
here,
it'll
be
another
chance
for
you
to
really
dig
down
into
some
fna
issues
so
recess
until
3
p.m.