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House Finance, Ways, & Means Committee- February 15, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
Are
there
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
before
we
get
underway.
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I
will
just
note:
there's
several
visitors
in
the
audience:
some
nfib
members,
I
know-
and
perhaps
others
as
well,
so
we
welcome
you
to
the
festivities
today.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
We
have
one
bill
on
our
calendar
and
then
we
will
go
straight
into
budget
hearings.
We
have
three
on
the
schedule
for
today
and
as
a
matter
of
information
members,
you
have
an
updated
budget
hearing
schedule.
That's
been
sent
to
your
offices.
We
will
have
budget
hearings
this
thursday
afternoon,
but
after
this
week
we'll
no
longer
have
thursday
afternoon
budget
hearings.
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And
he
just
didn't
want
to
get
business
and
calendar
enrolled,
he's
trying
to
slow
that
process,
but
seriously
that
does
complete
our
calendar
for
today
and
we're
going
to
go
straight
into
budget
hearings.
So
without
objection
we're
out
of
session-
and
we
will
begin
our
budget
hearings
today
with
the
department
of
corrections.
So
if
folks
could
come
forward,
miss
helton
and
team.
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And
I'll
remind
you
of
those
of
you
who
remembered
your
bring
your
ipad,
which
I
didn't.
But
this
information
is
on
your
dashboard,
so
you
can
find
it
there.
I
have
a
paper
copy,
but
ms
helton
thank
you
for
being
here
and
if
you
would
introduce
yourself
and
your
team
and
then
we
look
forward
to
hearing
what
you
have
to
tell
us
about
the
proposed
budget
for
the
department
of
corrections
for
fy23.
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Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
lisa
helton,
I'm
the
interim
commissioner
for
the
tennessee
department
of
corrections.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
to
talk
with
you
and
present.
Our
recommended
budget
with
me
today
to
my
left
is
cfo
beau
urban
and
to
my
right
is
brian
hughes,
who's,
the
director
of
human
resources
for
the
department
and
lisa
parks,
who's,
the
director
of
budget
and
fiscal
commissioner.
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Helton,
could
you
make
sure
your
mic
is
on
and
if
it
is
maybe
a
little
bit
closer,
we.
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I
don't
know,
as
this
slide
reflects
we're
responsible
for
nearly
25
000
incarcerated
offenders
or
inmates,
with
oversight
of
62
000
folks,
who
are
on
probation
and
community
corrections
and
about
13
000
parolees.
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The
department's
fy
23
recommended
budget
is
1.25
billion
dollars
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
pie
chart
sort
of
gives
a
quick
snapshot
of
where
our
budget
appropriations
are
dedicated
programmatically.
Obviously,
the
biggest
portion
of
that
68
percent
goes
to
prison
operations
with
14
percent
to
jail,
local
jail
payments
and
12
to
community
supervision,
which
includes
probation
and
parole
day
reporting,
centers
community
resource
centers,
the
sex
offender
treatment
program
and
community
corrections.
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D
We
were
able
to
make
these
reductions
by
reducing
long-term
vacancies
that
wouldn't
negatively
impact
our
mission.
We
do
see
position
increases
from
fy21
to
fy23.
Those
are
primarily
attributed
to
the
implementation
of
the
re-entry
success
act.
We
also
abolish
some
positions,
some
vacant
positions
during
that
time
as
well.
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The
next
slide
is
a
snapshot
of
the
recommended
cost
increases,
and
we
have
talked
about
our
commitment
to
best
practices
for
several
years.
Commissioner
parker
frequently
talked
about
that.
We
were
intentional
in
this
budget
to
make
recommendations
that
would
request
investment
in
what
we
know
works
and
what
best
practice
shows
that
works
in
order
to
improve
outcomes
for
those
folks
under
our
care
and
custody.
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35
percent
of
the
cost
increases
are
specifically
related
to
contractual
obligations,
so
things
like
medical
and
behavioral
health,
pharmacy,
food
service
and
then
22
percent
is
specifically
related
to
the
re-entry
success
act,
correctional
education,
investments
and
equipment,
all
things
that
go
toward
either
best
practices
or
maintaining
safe
and
secure
prisons
and
providing
supervision
in
the
community
due
to
time
constraints.
For
the
presentation,
we'll
only
highlight
what
we
consider
to
be
one
of
our
highest
priorities
for
the
cost
increases,
and
that
is
the
correctional
officer
series.
Salary
increases
I'll
turn
that
over
to
director
hughes.
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E
As
you
can
see,
we
had
a
decrease
in
vacancies
following
the
2019
increases,
but
after
the
covet
pandemic
began,
we
saw
a
significant
increase
in
our
vacancies
for
correctional
officers.
In
response
to
that,
we
implemented
several
initiatives.
Most
notably,
we
implemented
a
five
thousand
dollar
hiring
bonus
and
a
one
thousand
dollar
referral
bonus
that
was
not
successful
in
attracting
new
candidates
to
our
ranks.
So
the
governor
effected
a
salary
increase
for
correctional
officers
on
december
16th
that
was
funded
with
a
combination
of
internal
equity,
payroll
savings
and
market
salary
funds.
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In
response
to
that
that
action
increased
correctional
officer,
starting
pay
from
32
500
to
44
500,
which
is
around
a
37
percent
increase
and
that
moved
tdoc,
correctional
officers
to
parity
with
other
state
law
enforcement
agencies
and
made
us
the
top
paid
state
department
of
corrections
in
the
southeast
united
states.
The
impact
of
that
salary
increase,
which
you
can
see
on
this
slide,
has
been
significant.
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Since
the
pay
increases
went
into
effect,
we
have
hired
approximately
274
new
officers,
that's
a
total
that
equals
what
we
had
been
able
to
hire
in
the
preceding
six
months
before
the
increases
and
our
vacancies
have
declined
by
approximately
17
since
then.
So
we
are
hopeful
that
these
trends
will
continue,
and
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
the
commissioner
for
closing
remarks.
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They
have
an
extraordinarily
difficult
and
complex,
challenging
job,
often
thankless
their
friends
and
families
are
impacted
by
the
sacrifices
they
make
to
to
keep
this
mission
going
forward
and
to
help
us
meet
our
mission,
and
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
them
publicly.
I
tell
them
when
I
see
them,
but
I
I
think
it's
nice
to
let
them
know
in
all
public
forums
that
we
appreciate
that.
I
also
appreciate
your
support
over
time.
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I've
seen
it
over
time
in
a
different
role
and
continue
to
see
it,
and
so
I
believe
that
we're
on
the
right
track,
with
best
practices
with
our
enhanced
reentry,
enhanced
education
with
enterprise
partners
and
appreciate
your
support
in
moving
forward
and
with
that
subject
to
your
questions,
madam
chair
or
those
of
the
committee.
That
concludes
the
presentation.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
There's
a
lot
going
on
in
corrections.
I
know,
and
we
appreciate
you
prioritizing
the
things
most
important
to
you
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have
questions,
perhaps
from
committee
members
about
other
things,
but
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
publicly
thank
you
and
all
the
people
in
the
department
of
corrections.
A
I
did
not
visit
a
prison
but
heard
a
lot
about
what
was
going
on
with
just
the
labor
shortages
through
the
pandemic,
with
you
know
not
having
enough
people
whether
it
was
because
of
illness
or
quarantine,
or
just
people
leaving
the
position
for
other
jobs
and
for
those
who
persevered
through
that
I
we
are.
We
are
extremely
grateful
for
keeping
tennesseans
safe
from
those
who
are
incarcerated
and
keeping
those
that
we
had
incarcerated
safe
as
well.
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I
have
visited
a
prison
once
and
in
here
and
they
could
put
a
stamp
on
my
hand,
and
I
subsequently
had
to
wash
my
hands
and
I
was
a
little
bit
worried
that
that
stamp
wouldn't
get
me
out,
so
I
tend
to
not
visit
them
and
by
fear
of
not
being
able
to
get
back
out,
so
I
don't
ever
want
to
do
that
again,
but
nonetheless
thank
you
all
you
have
a
very
tough
job
and-
and
we
appreciate
all
that
you
do
my
question-
centers
around
salary
increases
for
our
correctional
officers,
28.4
million
dollars
has
been
of
recurring
dollars,
has
been
provided
for
salary
increases
for
our
correctional
officers,
and
my
question
centers
around
that,
so
are
there
positions
within
the
correctional
system
also
slated
for
salary
adjustments.
D
At
the
moment,
the
the
the
crisis-
the
immediate
need,
of
course,
was
for
the
correctional
security
series,
and
so
we
are
always
of
course,
open
opportunities
to
increasing
salaries,
but
we
don't
have
a
specific
salary
increase
on
the
table
at
the
moment.
We
have,
however,
implemented
several
initiatives
to
provide
some
monetary
support
to
those
folks
who
have
gone
into
the
prison
or
who
work
in
the
prison,
but
not
in
a
security
post
typically
and
are
working
in
a
security
post.
D
Now
so
with
a
bonus
or
through
so
there's
a
bonus
system,
and
then
there
is
also
a
system
where,
if
you're
working
that
post,
you
would-
and
you
don't
make
that
salary
you
can
make
that
salary.
But
at
the
moment
we
we
don't
have
a
specific
plan
for
increasing
other
salary
grades
or
salary
series.
A
Just
to
tag
on
to
that
a
bit
what
about
the
compression
issue,
you
know
when
you
raise
the
incoming
wages
for
your
new
hires?
How
are
you
addressing
keeping
some
distance
between
those
folks
and
the
folks
who
have
you
know
who
work
through
the
pandemic?
Who
were
been
there
for
a
number
of
years.
E
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
appreciate
that,
and
that
was
definitely
a
concern
of
ours
as
well.
We
know
that
we
knew
from
the
data
the
issue
that
we
were
having
was
that
we
weren't
able
to
attract
sufficient
candidates,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
could
increase
the
starting
salary
to
a
point
that
that
would
be
very
attractive
to
new
hires,
while
also
recognizing
that
we
did
have
the
group,
as
you
mentioned,
that
really
pulled
us
through
the
pandemic.
A
All
right-
and
so
that
was,
I
guess,
part
of
the
stop
gap
measure
if
you
will,
because
of
the
tremendous
amount
of
attrition
and
the
number
of
vacancies,
is
there
anything
in
this
year's
budget
that
additionally
addresses
that
compression
issue?
Because
what
I
think
I'm
hearing
you
say
that
you
could
have
somebody
who'd
been
there
for
some
period
of
time,
maybe
hopefully
less
than
a
year
or
whatever,
but
some
period
of
time
longer
than
a
new
hire.
Who
would
be
making
the
the
same
amount?
So
I'm
turning
mic
on.
E
Sorry,
yes
ma'am,
you
would
see
that,
unfortunately,
again,
that
was
just
kind
of
the
trade-off
that
we
had
to
look
at
when
we
were
trying
to
address
both
issues.
E
A
And
do
you
have
any
retention
data
on
you
know
it's
great
that
we're
bringing
new
people
in,
but
if
we're
losing
them
at
the
end
of
the
pipeline
and
it's
a
continual
process
that
we
really
haven't
accomplished
most
so,
do
you
have
any
data
on
how
that's
been
received?
I
guess
by
your
employees,
who've
been
around
a
while.
E
Just
looking
at
the
retention
data
and
of
course
we
have
a
pretty
limited
period
of
time
to
look
at
it
right
the
numbers
that
we're
seeing
right
now
at
least
system
wide,
and
of
course
it's
going
to
the
picture
is
going
to
differ
somewhat
from
facility
to
facility.
But
right
now
it
looks
like
the
turnover
is
coming
in
at
about
half
what
it
was
before
we
implemented
the
pay
increase.
Of
course,
we
have
seen
the
issue
of
individuals
quitting
their
job
for
other
employment
all
across
the
country.
E
We
have
definitely
not
been
immune
to
that,
but
since
that
increase
was
implemented,
we
have
decreased
that
turnover
pretty
significantly
as
far
as
the
individuals
that
we've
hired.
Of
course,
you
know
when
you
try
to
hire
a
lot
of
people
at
one
time.
The
chances
are,
you
might
get
some
that
they
see
the
dollars
without
necessarily
considering
what
they're
going
to
do,
but
of
the
of
the
individuals
that
we've
hired
just
in
that
limited
period
of
time
only
15
of
those
have
separated.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
todd.
G
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
have
a
few
questions
for
you.
I
see
that
you've
got
about
14.8
million
dollars
recurring,
for
an
increase
in
correctional
salaries
at
privately
operated
prisons.
Has
the
state
ever
provided
a
correctional
salary
increase
for
privately
operated
prisons?
In
this
way.
D
But
I
wouldn't
necessarily
be
aware
of
that.
I
would
defer
I
guess
to
mr
irvin
or
miss
parks
on
that.
A
H
F
G
H
G
G
And
will
this
increase
in
the
salaries
require
an
amendment
to
that
contract?
Is
this
kind
of
hitting
it
in
the
middle
of
a
contract.
G
Okay
last
question:
what's
the
current
vacancy
rate
at
the
private
privately
operated
prisons
for
officers.
H
A
If
you
could
get
that
information
because,
as
I
think
the
chairman
todd's
questions
have
highlighted,
this
is
a
bit
of
an
unusual
ask
or
an
unusual
inclusion
in
the
budget.
So
I
think,
having
some
background
about
why
it
might
be
necessary-
and
you
know
where
we
are
in
the
contract
phase
and
that
sort
of
thing
would
be
helpful.
If
you
get
that
to
me,
then
we'll
distribute
it
to
the
committee
members.
F
F
We,
it
was
mentioned
just
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
if
we
have
two
questions
here,
if
we
could
go
a
little
more
in
depth
on
the
status
of
the
re-entry
success
act
as
well
as
if
we
could
talk
about
the
positions
that
were
requesting
for
that.
When
we
passed
the
bill
2021,
we
were
looking
at
39
new
positions,
adding
30
positions
this
year,
then
20
positions
next
year,
I
see
where
we
are
requesting
41
positions
in
this
current
budget
document.
Can
we
talk
about
how
many
folks
were
hired
on
the
initial
bill?
F
D
Yes,
sir,
the
the
positions
are
tied
primarily
to
supervision
in
the
community.
The
piece
of
the
legislation
that
has
to
do
with
mandatory
supervision
and
also
all
that
goes
into
supervision.
So
the
41
positions,
I
think
26
of
those
are
probation,
parole
officers
for
our
managers
and
11
are
social
workers.
D
Part
of
what
we
provide
in
the
community
is
sort
of
wrap
around
services
for
those
folks,
many
of
whom
have
substance,
use
and
mental
health
issues,
as
well
as
just
adjustment
issues,
and
so
we
have
been
able
to
provide
social
workers
across
the
state
in
all
of
our
probation
parole
districts
to
support
the
needs
of
those
offenders
when
they
are
on
probation
and
parole.
So
that's
what
those
positions
are
about.
Mandatory
supervision
will,
of
course,
increase
the
number
of
offenders
that
we
have
with
revocation
caps
as
well,
which
was
a
part
of
of
the
legislation.
D
Last
year,
probationers
and
well.
Probationers
and
parolees
are
spending
less
time
on
a
revocation
on
a
first
second
and
third
revocation
and
so
they're
coming
back
out
and
often
will
have
a
more
intensive
case
management
plan,
so
the
social
worker
or
the
officer,
depending
on
the
supervision
level,
will
play
into
that
as
well.
In
addition,
we
have
are
providing
some
support
to
jails,
who
jails
who
are
establishing
programs,
and
so
there's
some
oversight
and
review
of
those
proposals
for
jails
that
are
going
to
provide
evidence-based
programming
for
folks
who
are
in
their
facilities.
D
F
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and,
to
that
point,
were
we
successful
in
hiring
all
the
people
we
needed
in
year
run
in
year,
one
in
the
current
budget
that
we're
in
did
we
successfully
bring
all
39
personnel
into
that
and
we're
adding
41
or
or
tell
me
clarify
that
for
me,
and
forgive
me
for
being.
I
might
be
a
blunt
instrument
today
and
not
listening
very
well.
Thank
you.
D
Were
filled,
I
know
that
some
of
them
were
just
because
they
were
probation
pro
officers.
I
was
aware
of
that,
but
I'll
refer
to
him
last
year.
E
I
don't
have
the
specifics
of
it
in
front
of
me,
but
yes
most.
If
not
all
of
those
positions
were
filled,
they
were
filled
with
internal
employees
because
they
were
promotional
opportunities
for
current
staff.
So,
yes,
those
were
filled,
of
course,
that
did
create
some
backfill
positions
that
we
would
have
to
fill
as
well,
so,
which
is
just
something
that's
that's
an
ongoing
process
for
us.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
represent
the
district
that
includes
northeast
correctional
complex
and
I
want
to
complement
each
of
you
in
the
department
and
assistant
commissioner
dotson,
thank
you
for
being
in
my
home
county
to
discuss
compensation,
safety
and
other
concerns
of
correctional
officers.
Thank
you
for
the
salary
increases
that
are
being
worked
out.
I
think
I
know
that
that
has
helped
with
recruitment
and
retention
of
correctional
officers.
I
know
it's
not
only
a
problem
in
northeast,
it's
a
problem
statewide
and,
I
would
venture
to
say
nationally.
I
One
topic
area,
I'm
still
curious
about
is
how
what
is
being
done
to
prevent
weapons
in
our
state
prisons,
whether
they're
coming
in
or
being
created
on
site
or
a
piece
of
wood
or
whatever
the
situations
are
the
is
it
a
staff
shortage?
Is
it
a
policy
thing?
Is
it
a
leadership
thing?
There
was
a
stabbing
at
northeast
thursday,
and
my
local
paper
contacted
me
today
and
told
me:
there
was
another
one.
I
asked
for
a
weapons
check
over
the
weekend.
I
D
I
would
just
say
that
is.
That
is
a
a
challenge
for
any
prison
environment,
any
jail
environment,
any
environment.
Where
folks
are
incarcerated.
You
are
always
going
to
face
that
the
search
was
conducted
over
the
weekend
or
since
then.
So
I
would
say
we
have
a
number
of
efforts.
We
do
have
teams,
we
do
regular
searches,
we
do
random
searches,
we
do
surprise
searches,
we
do
sort
of
very
targeted
searches
and
broader
searches.
D
So
I
would
say
yes,
we're
very
active
in
that
wardens
are
very
actively
involved
in
that
ac
dodson's
very
actively
involved
in
that
it
unfortunately
is
is
a
product
of
of
the
prison
life.
But
as
for
the
specifics,
if
you'd
like
to
have
more
specific
information,
I'll
be
glad
for
ac
dotson
to
to
come
up
and
provide
more
specific
information
about
that
work.
I
Thank
you,
I
don't
think
that'll
be
necessary
in
today's
environment,
but
please
see
that
those
checks
are
as
aggressive
as
possible
for
the
safety
of
my
staff,
including
the
correctional
officer
that
was
stabbed
last
week
and
also
for
the
inmates
involved.
I
want
to
pivot
to
another
topic
area
in
this
budget.
There's
talk
about
positions
for
special
agents.
What
will
that
title
do
within
the
department
of
corrections?
It's
430
400
for
five
full-time
special
agents.
D
D
One
of
the
agents
is
or
one
of
the
positions
is
for
an
investigations
unit
that
would
be
in
west
tennessee
and
then
two
of
them
are
for
the
stg,
the
security
threat
group
unit
and
they
obviously
work
with
investigating
gang
activity
related
to
prison
games,
street
gangs,
other
gains
which
also
often
plays
into
the
weapon
situation
the
investigations
unit
in
the
west
tennessee
area,
of
course,
as
you
would
expect,
they
conducted
investigations,
and
so
those
five
positions
would
have
those
functions
in
different
units
of
the
office
of
investigations
and
conduct.
I
Thank
you,
and
just
lastly,
I
want
to
recap,
and
just
quickly
say
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
trying
to
get
more
staff
on
board
in
these
various
prisons
that
need
those
numbers
increased
because
of
available
positions
not
being
filled
and
and
turnover
and
all
those
other
things
involved.
I
know
there
have
been
a
lot
of
factors
and
a
lot
to
work
through,
but
just
know
that
that
remains
a
priority
for
me
and
if
there's
any
way,
I
can
help
you
please
ask.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
Thank
you
good
afternoon
just
had
a
couple,
quick
questions.
I
know
that
I
saw
medication
treatment
again
in
the
budget,
something
we
do
every
year.
I
noticed
we
didn't
say
what
kind
of
treatment
that
was.
Is
it
buprenorphine
or
is
it
vivitrol
or
have
we
determined
what
that
is
yet.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
another
question.
I
noticed
in
the
budget
document.
You
have
electronic
security
specialists
and
it
says
that
that
you
created
some
new
positions
there
with
recurring
dollars.
Is
that
correct?
And
it
doesn't
tell
us
how
many
positions
that's
going
to
be?
Do
you
know
how
many
positions
that's
going
to
be
that
you're
adding
for
the
electronic
system?
That's
three.
J
That'll
be
three
positions,
sir,
and
we
haven't
added
anything.
Oh
I'm
sorry
bo
irvin,
chief
financial
officer,
we've
added
three
positions:
there
we'll
reclassify
some
others
to
make
these
positions
and
we
haven't
added
any
in
15
years
and,
as
you
know,
the
electronic
age
has
vastly
improved
since
then.
So
the
need
is
great.
B
Yeah
I
I
did
notice,
there
was
250,
I
think,
259
000
for
those
three
positions,
but
you
also
had
some
vacant
positions.
Are
you?
Are
you
expecting
to
expand
more
than
the
three
or
is
it
by
by
re-categorizing
or
re-utilizing
any
positions
or.
J
J
We
did
on
those
was
we
had
three
vacant
food
service
positions
that
were
state
positions
so
by
moving
those
dollars,
those
positions
when
we
anytime,
we
abolish
or
vacate
a
position
like
that
reclassify
that
funding
goes
over
into
the
food
services
contract,
for
example.
So
we
need
the
state
dollars
to
replace
that
for
these
positions,
although
we
have
the
vacancies
that
we
can
reclassify.
A
Follow
up
on
the
the
medical
question?
Can
any
of
you
speak
to
the
help
c
issue
in
the
prisons
and
treatment
costs
and
where
we
are
with
with
that
whole
issue?.
J
Yes,
ma'am.
Currently
that's
we're
paying
about
seventeen
thousand
dollars
a
patient
for
that
we
got
a
lot
of.
You
know
that
money
as
you're
well
aware
of
a
couple
of
years
ago,
that's
been
spent.
The
problem
is
ongoing.
We
have
great
efforts
that
we
make
each
and
every
day
to
treat
patients.
J
We
have
a
very
high
success
rate
with
the
treatment
protocol
that
we're
using
now,
but
the
need
is
still
there
whether
it's
inmates
coming
into
the
system
new.
You
know
new
intakes
or
some
in
some
cases
returning
inmates
who
we've
cured
have
gone
back
out
and
come
back
in.
So
it's
an
ongoing
issue
and
that's
the
that's
why
the
need
for
the
additional
dollars.
A
And
I
guess
you
know,
the
whole
recidivism
issue
is
is
a
huge
cost
for
the
state
and
that's
just
another
way
that
we
incur
costs
as
you,
people
who
come
back
probably
didn't
get
any
healthier
if
they're
coming
back
into
prison,
so
during
their
their
time
out.
So
that
really
is
a.
A
A
Seventeen
thousand
yes,
can
you
relate
that
to
past
years,
because
I
was
thinking
the
number
was
not
quite
that
much
or
maybe-
and
I
know
nothing's
gotten
cheaper,
so.
J
A
J
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you,
commissioner,
for
being
here
today
and
your
team.
We
appreciate
the
great
job
y'all.
Do
we
know
it's
a
taxing
job,
to
say
the
least.
Sometimes
this
is
kind
of
a
fun
question.
I
won't
ask
you
what
these
are
used
for,
but
last
year
you
approached
we
appropriated
703
000
for
body
scanners
and
this
year
there's
an
additional
1.9
million
dollars
for
body
scanners.
B
D
D
Some
of
those
institutions
require
some
sort
of
structural
change
in
order
to
install
those
and
that's
taking
place
now.
The
ones
in
this
budget
request
are
for
intake
for
offenders,
and
so
checkpoint
would
be,
for
visitors
intake
would
be
for
the
inmates
and
the
and
staff
who
would
be
coming
through
in.
B
You,
madam
chair,
so
for
clarification,
so
both
the
inmates,
the
visitors
and
the
staff
were
trying
to
get
scanned
to
maybe
alleviate
some
of
the
weapons
issues
and
some
of
the
questions
we're
trying
to
scan.
Everybody
is
my
understanding.
D
B
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
This
has
to
do
with
electronic
health
records.
My
question.
Last
year,
13
million
dollars
was
appropriated
from
the
department
for
to
the
department
for
the
established
electronic
health
records
system.
This
fall.
The
financial
stimulus
accounting
group,
though
approved
the
allocation
of
13
million
dollars
in
american
rescue
plans
to
be
used
instead
of
this
appropriation
from
last
year.
Can
you
provide
an
update
on
the
establishment
of
this
system
and
where
we
are
today.
J
Our
inspector
general
here's
he
can
answer
that
question
you
don't
mind.
He
handles
all
the
procurements.
A
If
you
could,
just
you
know,
we've
appropriated
the
money,
but
what's
the
spin
down
and
how
long
until
we
actually
see
the
the
implemented
product.
K
K
Sts
is
working
on
contracting
with
the
required
third
party
consultant
that
will
review
the
rfp,
so
experts
in
the
field
to
review
the
rfp
to
make
sure
that
we're
hitting
all
the
things
that
we
need
from
an
industry
standard
as
well
as
a
correction
standard.
We
will
have
that
contract
in
place
for
that
consultant
slated
by
the
end
of
middle
to
end
of
march,
at
which
point
they'll
take
time
to
review
the
rfp
provide
insight.
K
K
A
And
once
these
records
are
all
converted,
I
guess
who's
who
has
the
access
to
the
records?
How
will
they
be
shared,
and
can
you
just
speak
to
that?
A
bit.
K
Sure
so
that'll
be,
and
that's
part
of
what
this
consultant
is
going
to
help
us
with
too
is,
is
to
access
questions
asking
the
right
questions
of
how
access
is
granted
and
who
can
have
access
it'll,
obviously
be
because
of
hipaa
and
various
other
requirements,
it'll
be
as
needed
access.
So
dr
williams
will
have
kind
of
the
the
key
decision
making
on
who
within
the
department,
is
going
to
have
regular
access
to
these
records,
our
contract
partners
for
behavioral
health
and
medical.
K
So
right
now
at
centurion
they
would
have
access
as
needed
for
their
staff.
They'll
work
in
coordination
with
dr
williams.
For
that,
and
then
also
to
a
certain
extent,
there
will
be
some
outside
entities,
local
hospitals
and
folks
of
that
nature,
as
well
as
core
civic
who
operate
the
privately
managed
facilities
will
have
access
as
well
as
needed,
to
facilitate
care.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
next
on
the
list
chairman
hicks.
L
L
J
What
that
has
done
is
it
has
taken
our
money,
the
way
that
we
use
for
capital
projects,
capital
improvements,
our
prisons
are
not
getting
any
younger
and
the
like,
and
also
the
ability,
as
we
look
forward
in
the
future,
if
we
have
to
build
any
more
prisons,
that
funding
and
now,
as
a
result
of
that
bill,
is
go
strictly
to
operating
costs
such
as
clothing,
medical
treatment
and
things
like
that.
So
we
will
have
to
compete
every
year
for
the
capital
project
funding
we
need
each
year
and
ask
for
improvements
going
forward.
L
So,
in
light
of
that,
I
mean
is
that
the
only
alternative
would
be
to
I
mean
to
try
to-
I
guess,
as
you
said,
battle
everyone
else
with
the
capital
projects.
Is
there
any
any
long-term
strategy
from
the
department
or
I
mean?
Is
there
something
else
that
that
can
be
done
or
is
it?
I
mean
really
come
down
to
that
that
you're
just
buying
for
the
same
funds,
capital
project
list.
J
It
pretty
much
so
I
mean
we'll,
have
to
carefully
watch
as
bills
are
passed
and
they
impact
you
know
the
population
that
we
any
increases
in
the
population
because
to
build
a
prison,
you
have
to
look.
You
know
four
to
five
years
out
and
be
ready.
You
know
when
that
time
in
a
prison
nowadays
is
going
to
be
very,
very
costly.
M
Thank
you
chairman.
First
of
all,
commissioner,
I
want
to
publicly
thank
and
to
me
and
toy
grimes
for
for
his
professionalism
and
work
ethic.
I
think
I
can
speak
for
everybody
on
this
committee
that
he
works
hard
for
your
department,
he's
a
great
reflection
on
your
department
and
he
absolutely
takes
care
of
a
heavy
load
for
you,
and
I
hope
you.
M
Just
like
many
of
you
will
and
somebody's
going
to
walk
up
to
me
in
that
restaurant.
It
never
fails
to
happen.
I'm
going
to
be
at
a
high
school
basketball
game,
somebody's
going
to
walk
up
to
me
and
they're,
going
to
be
one
of
your
employees
and
he
or
she's
going
to
say
hey
john
mark.
Have
you
got
a
second,
of
course,
the
answer's?
M
Yes
and
they're,
going
to
ask
me
this
question
they're
going
to
say
I
work
in
maintenance
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and-
and
I
certainly
appreciate
my
sisters
and
brothers
receiving
a
pay
raise
during
the
security
classifications.
They
deserve
it
and
I'm
glad
that
they
got
it.
But
john
mark
you
vote
on
the
budget
and
you're
in
the
legislature.
M
Why
is
it
that
my
family
has
not
got
the
benefit
of
a
pay
raise
when
I
go
into
the
prison
each
day?
I
work
hard.
I
do
as
I'm
supposed
to
do,
and
I
I'm
also
in
a
dangerous
environment,
because
I'm
in
the
prison
with
prisoners
also
john
mark.
Why
can't
the
budget
reflect
a
pay
raise
for
the
preferred
service,
employees
that
are
either
non-security
or
other
classifications?
M
In
addition
to
the
security
classifications,
that's
the
question.
I'm
going
to
be
asking
I'm
not
trying
to
trick
you
or
be
ugly,
but
I'm
sure
you
hear
the
same
question
if
and
I
know
people
on
this
committee
have
heard
the
same
question
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
a
trickster
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
ugly.
D
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
you're
right.
It
is
something
that
I've
been
asked
and
not
only
have
I
been
asked,
but
it's
something
that
that
we
have
a
lot
of
conversation
about.
I
think
about
that
too.
I'm
aware
of
those
other
folks
who
are
in
the
prisons
either
doing
their
regular
job
or
covering
those
posts
as
well,
and
it
really
comes
down
to
managing
the
system
that
we
have.
You
know
in
state
government,
in
the
agency.
D
Looking
at
the
the
the
sort
of
crisis
we
had
with
being
able
to
cover
critical
post
in
the
prison
having
to
draw
on
other
folks
and
trying
to
find
some
balance
in
addressing
the
vacancy
rate
with
the
with
the
correctional
officer
series,
but
also
trying
to
be
strategic
and
look
for
opportunities
to
say
to
all
of
these
other
people.
We
see
you,
we
see
that
you're
working.
We
see
that
you're
making
that
sacrifice
too,
and
that
is
why
we
worked
with
dohr
and
with
some
other
partners
to
try
to
have
these
other
strategies.
D
Where
we
couldn't
say
you
know,
there's
an
across-the-board
increase
or
we
couldn't
manage
that,
but
to
put
other
strategies
in
place,
so
the
bonuses,
the
premium
overtime,
the
the
co,
the
the
raise,
if
you're
working
a
post-
and
you
don't
make
a
co
salary,
we
try
to
put
those
things
in
place
just
to
recognize
that
work
and
that
effort.
So
I
I
hear
you
and
I
understand
that.
M
D
Well,
I
think,
as
as
cfo
urban
mentioned
earlier,
it's
about
17
000
per
inmate.
J
We
have
about
6.6
million
currently
in
our
budget,
for
that
and
we're
asking
for
another
4.9
and.
M
This
is
my
last
question
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
ugly,
but
if
people
are
going
to
shoot
up
and
have
unprotected
sex
in
prison,
we've
got
an
obligation
to
take
care
of
those
people
from
a
medical
perspective.
I
certainly
appreciate
that,
but
we
both
know
that
we
treat
the
same
people
for
hepatitis
more
than
once.
Is
that
a
fair
assessment?
M
It's
not
unusual
is
it.
It
can
happen.
Yes,
sir,
so
I
guess
my
not
my
question.
If,
if
I'm
trying
to
make
a
point,
is
we're
going
to
treat
people
who
shoot
up
drugs
and
have
sex
in
prison
to
the
tune
of
six
million
dollars
and
we'd
have
an
obligation,
a
moral
obligation
to
take
care
of
people
who
are
sick?
I
certainly
appreciate
that,
but
we
also
have
a
moral
obligation
to
take
care
of
that
maintenance
worker
who
hadn't
had
a
raise.
M
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
how
we
spend
the
money
and
how
fast
we
take
care
of
some
of
our
medical
needs
and
maybe
budget
arrays
for
some
of
the
preferred
service
employees
who
have
a
difficult
job
as
opposed
to
treating
hepatitis
c
cases
over
and
over
again,
I'm
not
I'm
not
trying
to
be
ugly.
You
have
to
treat
people
that
are
sick,
but
people
are
going
to
pop
drugs
and
have
unprotected
sex
in
prison.
B
Thank
you,
I
meant
to
ask
earlier,
and
I
completely
forgot
the
do.
We
keep
census
data
per
prison
and
you
know
I've
heard
I've
heard
numbers
say
well
we're
at
92
occupancy
or
do
we
keep
do
we
keep
more
granulated
data
than
that
or
yes,
sir.
B
Yes,
sir,
okay,
could
could
your
someone
in
your
office
send
the
chair,
lady,
that
data
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
per
population
census
data
is
over
the
last
10
years
per
prison,
excluding
your
obviously
that
would
exclude
the
ones,
but
also
the
information
regarding
those
that
are
in
custody
in
our
county
jails
and
local
jails?
Yes,
sir,
all
right,
thank
you.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
If
you
look
on
page
four
of
your
presentation,
you
have
a
lot
of
recommended
cost
increases,
but
there's
no
dollar
amount
associated
with
them,
and
if
you
look
back
at
last
year's
budget
of
about
1.1
billion
current
budget
about
1.2,
the
proposed
one
is
about
1.3,
and
so
could
you
talk
about
this?
Almost
100
million
dollars
in
cost
increase
that
you're
asking
for
in
this
budget.
Can
you
explain
what
just
a
little
more
clarity
about
where
that
money
is
going
to
go?
N
I
know
we've
heard
people
ask
questions
about
the
the
correctional
officers
and
even
the
help
c,
but
this
is
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions
on
this
diagram
about
how
much
money
we're
spending
on
all
these
different
cost
increases
that
you
asked
for.
Could
you
give
us
a
little
more
detail
on
that.
J
N
J
Of
course,
oh
did
you
want
to
go?
A
number
of
these
are
contract
inflators,
which
we
have
to
do
per
the
contracts,
20
million
or
so
of
that
a
good
portion
of
that.
Then
we
have
already
spoken
to
the
28
million
for
the
recurring
and
14
million
for
the
private
cost
increases.
J
We
have
a
10
million
dollars
that
the
governor's
recommended
for
the
correctional
education
investment,
which
will
help
us
provide
better
education,
more
technologically
sound
and
advanced
in
our
institutions
and
in
our
community
supervision
areas.
We
have
about
seven
million
dollars.
We've
touched
on
a
couple
of
those
that
are
treatment:
related
4.9
million
for
the
hepatitis
c,
additional
1
million
dollars,
almost
1.1
million
dollars
for
the
indigent
fund.
J
I
think
we
talked
about
that
for
sex
offender
treatment
for
evaluations
and
group
therapy
rate
increases
for
those,
because
it's
very
hard
to
get
treatment
providers
to
stay
with
us
at
the
rates
we
pay
and
also
the
indigent
indigent.
Who
cannot
afford
that.
Those
group
therapy
sessions,
as
well
as
cannot
afford
to
pay
for
the
psychological
examinations
that
are
required
for
sex
offenders,
so
we're
doing
a
rate
increase
there.
J
J
We
talked
about
the
special
agents
500
000
there,
body
scanners,
2
million
dollars
additional
10
body
scanners,
2.3
million
dollars
for
the
radios
replacements
at
one
of
our
institutions,
because
they're
outdated
we've
got
some
one
of
the
things
we're
really
excited
about.
Is
technology
replacement
for
our
community
supervision
staff?
That's
about
540
thousand
dollars
when
the
community
supervision
was
transferred
over
to
the
department
of
correction
back
in
2013,
none
of
the
recurring
funding
for
computers.
J
And
fingerprint
machines
and
video
conferencing
equipment
was
included,
so
we've
been
doing
the
best
we
could
with
that,
but
this
will
get
us
on
a
four-year
replacement
cycle
to
keep
our
officers
with
new
new
computers
rather
than
in
a
break
fix
mode
like
we
are
now
another
hundred
and
six
thousand
dollars
we're
asking
for
for
external,
the
automated
external
defibrillators
for
our
community
supervision
offices.
Right
now,
which
is
depending
on
if
there's
a
medical
emergency,
the
officers
have
to
and
staff
have
to
try
to
keep
them
alive
by
cpr.
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
it's
good
for
those
that
are
not
here
in
the
streaming
to
get
a
deeper
understanding
of
where
our
tax
dollars
are
going
with
these
increase
in
costs.
So
I
thank
you
for
spelling
those
out
for
us.
You
talked
about
in
that
the
reentry
success
act
of
2021.
J
D
The
re-entry
success
act
last
year
provided
for
a
number
of
changes
for
folks
who
are
re-entering
on
probation
and
parole,
so,
for
instance,
mandatory
supervision
requiring
that
inmates
serve
at
least
a
year
on
what
would
essentially
be
parole,
supervision
and
the
the
reason
behind
that,
and
primarily
because
it
offers
them
an
easy
way
to
access
resources.
D
It
also
provided
for
revocation
caps
for
technical
violations,
violations
and
supervision
that
did
not
include
a
new
criminal
offense
and
it
limited
the
amount
of
time
a
person
could
be
incarcerated
for
a
first
second
and
third
revocation
for
technical
violation
only
and
so
that,
of
course,
increases
supervision
increase
some
some
work
related
to
that
just
making
sure
the
board
of
parole
and
the
courts
know
where
the
person
is
tracking
that,
in
addition,
it
provided.
D
So
this
provides
positions
to
support
all
of
that.
The
reentry
success
act,
moving
forward.
A
And
while
we're
getting
a
little
more
granular
in
some
of
these
expenses,
there's
2.3
million
in
your
budget
for
radios
is
that
for
radios
within
the
prison
for
the
prison
guards,
or
is
that
replacement
or
additions?
It.
D
A
Okay,
so
it's
replacements
and
additions
for
new
guards
or
whatever.
Okay.
Thank
you,
representative
miller,.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady.
I
don't
have
any
budget
question
all
the
questions
pretty
much
been
asked
of
you
guys,
but
thank
you
for
what
you
do.
I
think
you
do
the
best
that
you
can
do
under
the
circumstances.
But
when
you
started
your
presentation,
I
was
reading
and
looking
at
responsible
for
nearly
25
000
incarcerated
offenders,
13
000,
parolees,
62,
000
offenders-
and
you
know
I'm
thinking
the
state
of
tennessee.
We
we're
pretty
crime
infested
state.
Aren't
we
based
on
these
numbers?
O
Well,
that's
a
little
exaggeration,
I'm
not
comparing
with
other
states,
but
then
your
budget
is
over
a
billion
that
that's
gain
a
lot
of
money
and
I
was
looking
at
the
25
000,
we're
not
responsible
for
that.
25
000
you're
not
responsible,
we're
not
responsible
for
those
25
000
incarcerated
individuals,
but
if
we
were
able
to
reduce
that
hypothetically,
let's
say
by
5
000
or
the
13
000,
if
we
could
reduce
if
we
could
reduce
that
by
two
or
three
thousand-
and
you
may
not
have
the
answers
for
this
now.
O
But
if
you
could
come
back,
I
would
like
to
have
have
a
a
number
5,
000
individuals
and
I'm
sure
those
crimes
go
from
the
distribution
of
illegal
drugs
to
first-degree
murder.
I
don't
know,
but
if
we
could
reduce
the
lesser
crimes
by
5
000.
What
would
that
number
look
like
what
if
we
could
reduce
the
13
000
by
two?
O
M
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Former
commissioner,
tony
parker
really
bragged
on
you,
as
well
as
torrey
grimes
back.
There
has
always
talked
highly
of
you.
You
know
as
far
as
vetting
these
new
cos
it's
coming
in.
M
You
know,
I
think,
back
just
last
week
or
two,
we
had
three
inmates
at
our
local
jail
at
9,
40
die
overdose
and
I
believe
they
they
got
the
contraband
through
another
inmate
is
what
I'm
what
I
had
read,
but
what
is
what
do
you
all
do
to
vet
these
new
cos,
and
how
do
you
also
what's
the
penalty
if
a
correctional
officer
is
found
with
smuggling
and
drugs
or
or
weapons?
What
is
the
charge
to
that
correctional
officer.
D
M
E
M
E
A
M
Real
quick
yeah,
I
guess
since
since
faison
and
maybe
williams,
some
of
us
been
up
here-
I
bet
the
prison
budgets,
probably
increased
350
million
dollars,
maybe
400
million
dollars
and
tori.
You
could
correct
me,
you
know
I'm
wrong
on
those
numbers,
but
somebody
mentioned
the
word
crisis.
I
forgot
who
it
was,
but
this
is
it's
a
crisis
folks,
this
drug
problem,
the
cost,
is
totally
unsustainable
to
keep
spending
this
kind
of
money.
M
My
local
jails
are
going
to
start
losing
correctional
officers
to
keep
up
with
y'all,
which
is
not
I'm
not
complaining,
but
where
are
they
going
to
find
these
local
correctional
officers,
so
I
think
we're
facing
them.
It
is
a
crisis
when
you
start
using
that
word
crisis.
So
thank
you
for
the
good
work.
You
all
do.
Thank
you,
chairman.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
do
have
a
one
follow-up
question
about
community
corrections
and
I
understand
that
you've
got
a
rfp
out
right
now
and
there's
probably
some
things
you
can't
say
so,
I'm
going
to
talk
higher
level
than
that
last
year.
I
know
we
had
some
assurances
given
by
the
administration
that
they
were
going
to
leave
community
corrections
alone.
Do
some
research
gather
some
data
and
then
pull
all
the
stakeholders
back
in
before
any
changes
were
made,
but
I'm
getting
an
understanding
that
this
rfp
kind
of
changes,
some
things
that
are
significant.
G
Can
you
address
that,
from
the
standpoint
of
them
being
able
to
continue
that
program
as
it
has
been
and
and
how
significant
or
how
different
these
changes
are,
makes
are
making
the
program
and
whether
it's
going
to
be
really
functional
like
it
has
been
or
not?.
D
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
would
you
say
that
someone
that
would
finish
this?
Our
fgp,
for
I
guess
using
the
same
model
that
they
did
last
year,
would
be
at
a
disadvantage
of
someone
that
took
this
opportunity
to
propose
some
of
these
options
that
you
have
mentioned.
Are
they
going
to
be
the
ones
that
are
proposing
these
new
options?
Are
they
going
to
be
more
highly
considered?
D
D
G
Thank
you
for
that.
I
do
have
a
concern
that
we're
kind
of
changing
some
direction
here
with
this
rfgp
without
having
the
couple
of
years
of
data
that
was
was
asked
for
was
talked
about.
I
think
they've
been
in
this
about
six
months.
I
believe
of
data
gathering
and
reporting,
and
so
it
seems
premature
to
be
changing
that
system
in
what
appears
to
be
a
significant
way.
Hopefully
it
will
not
be,
and
then
we
can
really
have
the
data
to
appropriately
modify
the
program
if
we
need
to
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
P
J
We
reverted,
we
reverted
300
million
back
to
the
budget
general
fund.
J
Attributed
to
yes,
sir,
we
had
a
one-time
windfall
from
the
covet
money
that
allowed
us
to
recoup
10
months
of
our
salaries
for
all
of
our
correctional
staff,
and
some
additional
staff
that
are
are
in
the
front
lines,
and
that
was
200
million
of
that
right
there.
So
then,
the
rest,
the
remaining
100
million,
was
obviously
our
population
was
down
due
to
covid.
So
we
saw
some
operational
savings.
There
payroll
savings,
as
you
we've
talked
about.
We
had
vacancies,
made
up
the
remaining
100
million.
P
H
P
So
fair
to
say
in
the
tens
of
millions
virtually
every
year
you
all
are
able
to
revert
back.
Let
me
ask
another
question:
here
I
mean
roughly
half
of
our
population.
That's
being
incarcerated,
is
either
in
a
private
facility
or
a
local
jail
on
a
backup
or
some
other
type
of
condition.
Is
that
roughly
accurate.
J
P
Again,
out
of
roughly
25
000
a
little
bit
of
change
as
prisoners,
I
mean
about
half
or
somewhere
besides
a
tdoc
prison,
fair
enough.
Yes,
sir
okay
and
the
reserve
balances
that
you
have
both
probation
and
parole.
Any
reserve
balance
that's
out
there.
What
kind
of
is
a
basic
kind
of
combination
of
all
those
reserve
balances?
Do
you
know
how
large
that's
gotten
to
be
for
probation
and
parole,
sure,
probation,
parole
or
any
reserve
balances
that
are
out
there.
H
J
H
Thank
you,
okay,
so
we
have
a
reserve
of
the
supervision
fees,
it's
5.6
million
dollars,
and
then
we
have.
We
had
the
data
processing
which
that
was
for
our
comment
project.
It
was
only
at
3.4
million
major
maintenance.
That's
what
we
used
to
do
some
anything
under
10
000
within
the
prison
maintenance
work
it's
at
1.6
million
dollars
and
the
sex
offender
registry
fees
at
3.3
million
dollars
global
positioning
system.
That's
just
over
half
a
million
or
500
million
500
000.
I'm
sorry.
P
No
no
500
000.
I
knew
what
you
meant
there:
it's
okay
extra
zero!
So
that's
so,
and
then
we
pay
approximately
160
million
dollars,
plus
two
local
jails
to
house
state
inmates.
Is
that
roughly
accurate
as
well
and
including
2021?
There
was
a
big
drop
in
that
was
that
the
court
back
up
is
that
kind
of
what
contributed
to
a
major
drop
in
local
jail
prisoners
that
were
actually
tdoc
prisoners,
of
course,
basically
shut
down
yeah.
P
P
P
Our
recidivism
rates
when
someone
comes
out
of
a
tdoc
facility
are
actually
much
lower
due
to
the
programming
you
all
provide
than
they
are
out
of
a
local
jail.
We've
known
that
for
years
I
mean
that's,
not
something
that
is
a
mystery
and
yet
when's
the
last
time
we
actually
built
a
state
facility,
either
through
reserve
funds
that
y'all
have
built
up
or
through
just
general
fund
revenue
when's,
the
last
prison
we
actually
built.
H
And
that
would
be
morgan
county
correctional
complex
with
the
expansion
there.
I
can't
remember
the
year
on
that
I'd
have
to
look
it
up.
P
I
say
all
this
to
highlight
this
at
some
juncture:
I'd
love
to
see-
and
I've
brought
this
up
before
some
sort
of
a
projection
or
plan
on
how
we
can
make
sure
to
house
these
prisoners
in
a
way
that
we
utilize
the
tools
that
you
all
have
already
to
ensure
lower
recidivism
rates,
because
if
we
know
they're
going
to
be
doing
better
in
a
state
facility,
we
know
that
we
have
the
funds
available
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Why
aren't
we
doing
it?
P
Because
it's
been
a
significant
amount
of
time
since
we've
actually
increased
y'all's
capacity,
so
we
we
continue
to
kind
of
go
around
that
and
we
change
every
single
year
how
we
look
at
it,
but
everybody
else
bit.
You
know
any
any
other
entity
of
state
government.
We
look
at
the
general
fund
and
we
look
at
general
fund
revenue
on
needs
specifically
for
capital
expenditures,
but
for
some
reason
or
another
we
don't
seem
to
do
that
with
you
all
and
I've
never
really
understood
that.
P
So
that's
not
a
question
necessarily
for
an
answer
right
here
today,
but
at
some
point
I'd
like
to
see
a
long-term
plan
on
how
we're
going
to
properly
manage
the
population
that's
being
housed
as
convicted
felons
that
are
tdoc
prisoners,
so
that
it
doesn't
have
this
multitude
of
like
kind
of
different
funds
that
are
out
there.
But
what's
the
true
vision
for
how
to
make
sure
these
folks
get
with
get
the
care
they
need
the
treatment
they
need,
the
housing
they
need,
so
that
they
don't
come
back
again,
fair
enough.
P
A
We
do
appreciate,
as
leader
has
said,
and
a
number
of
other
people
the
work
that
you
all
do,
and
the
folks
that
worked
very
hard
during
very
trying
conditions
to
keep
us
safe
and
to
keep
the
prisoners
that
are
within
your
jurisdiction
safe.
So
we
thank
you
for
that
and
look
forward
to
getting
the
information.
That's
been
requested
here
today
back
to
my
office
and
we
will
distribute
it
to
the
committee.
But
thank
you
for
joining
us.
Thank.
D
A
All
right
we're
our
next
on
our
list
is
the
board
of
parole,
and
we
know
that
the
esteemed
parole
board
chair,
mr
montgomery,
is
unable
to
be
with
us
today,
but
he
has
sent
mercy
five
people
to
replace
him.
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thanks
to
committee
for
inviting
us
up
today
to
speak
about
our
agency.
Yes,
chairman
richard
pro
board
chairman
richard
montgomery
is
not
with
us
today.
He
had
a
pressing
matter
that
required
him
to
stay
in
his
office
today,
and
he
just
could
not
get
down
here
in
time.
So
he
does
send
his
regrets
that
he's
not
here
and,
as
you
can
tell
when
we
don't
have
a
chairman
with
us,
we
have
to,
we
have
to
bring
a
full
team.
R
Just
to
be
brief,
I
know
madame
chair
the
other
day,
you
asked
us
to
to
be
very
brief,
so
I
shall
shall
honor
your
request.
I
believe
on
you,
all's
dashboards,
you
all
should
have
our
presentation.
R
First,
five,
four
slides
tells
you
a
little
bit
about
who
we
are,
would
encourage
you
all
to
look
over
there
as
you
have
time.
If
you
have
any
questions
today,
please
ask
or
afterwards,
when
you
return
to
your
office,
please
reach
out
to
us
or
or
you
can
certainly
catch
ryan.
Some
highlights
I
would
like
to
touch
on
real
quick
is
through
the
coveted
pandemic.
We
remained
operational,
we
never
shut
down.
We
were
able
to
change
our
business
model.
We
were
able
to
continue
to
hold
hearings.
R
Thanks
to
the
executive
orders
from
the
governor,
we
were
able
to
conduct
what
was
normally
face-to-face
hearings.
We
were
able
to
conduct
those
via
the
telephone,
I'm
very
proud
of
miss
lineberry's
staff
and
the
changes
that
they
made.
So
we
could
stay
operational,
proud
to
say
too
that
we
have
returned
to
in-person
hearings,
so
we're
now
back
face-to-face
on
our
administrative
meetings
and
our
clemency
hearings.
R
We're
now
back
to
face
to
face,
and
the
public
is
much-
is
able
to
interact
with
us
much
easier
now
by
being
directly
across
from
us
versus
on
the
telephone
or
over
video.
R
If
we
can
jump
straight
to
slide
number
five,
which
is
our
budget
overview
fiscal
year,
2122
budget
was
8
million
796
6700,
we
did
a
few
months
ago,
we
requested
a
supplemental
of
86
443
dollars.
What
that
money
was
for
our
administrator
fell
ill
and
had
to
retire.
Suddenly,
he
had
over
30
years
with
the
state
had
a
lot
of
vacation
built
up.
That's
a
mission,
critical
position
that
chairman,
montgomery
and
and
the
rest
of
the
board
felt
imperative
that
we
had
to
feel
so.
R
Our
2223
requested
budget
is
9
million
381
four
hundred
dollars.
Our
improvement
requests
were
five
million
six
hundred
and
six
hundred
five
million
sixty
seven
thousand
one
hundred
dollars.
We
were
very
excited
to
see
the
governor's
budget
included
everything
we
had
asked
for,
with
the
exception
for
for
one
item.
R
R
R
R
We
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
areas
that
we
can
cut,
request
was
119
900
and
that
is
included
in
the
governor's
budget.
We're
also
looking
forward
to
getting
our
staff
back
into
training.
We
like
once
a
year
to
bring
our
hearing
officers
together.
Our
hearing
officers
are
truly
scattered
to
the
four
corners
of
the
state.
We
love
to
get
them
together
for
three
days
a
year
face
to
face
train
them.
Our
colleagues
from
correction
and
other
agencies
come
in
and
train
with
us.
R
It's
it's
a
good
opportunity
for
everyone
to
learn
from
one
another,
and
also
in
the
training
we're
going
to
be
able
to
send
some
of
our
staff
to
the
navy
institute
to
participate
in
the
pg,
tgei,
m.I,
leed,
tennessee
and
the
cpm
program.
A
lot
of
our
staff
is
getting
to
the
point
where
we
can
retire
if
we
choose
to,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
next
generation
trained
and
ready
to
go
to
take
over
for
us.
R
Last
item
that
was
funded
in
the
governor's
budget
is
a
clemency
position
in
total
of
59
900
we've
seen
a
drastic
increase
in
clemency
applications
with
this
administration
we
were,
we
were
looking
today
after
a
conversation
with
one
of
you
all.
We
have
processed
1417
applications
through
this
administration
in
the
past.
The
clemency
duties
were.
R
We
are
working
very
closely
with
dohr
to
remedy
that
and
chairman
montgomery
and
I
feel
like
we
have
a
good
plan
in
place
for
dohr
to
to
help
our
staff
last
slide.
I
will
go
over
slide
9
our
reduction
plan.
Thankfully
it
was
not
called
for
in
the
governor's
budgets,
eighty
nine
thousand
dollars
to
reach
that
number
we
would
have
to.
Unfortunately,
let
go
two
full-time
positions
with
that.
I
would
ask
that
you
all
consider
the
governor's
budget
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
A
A
Thank
you
all
right,
reps
and
miller,
you're
recognized.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady.
It's
more
of
a
request,
I
guess
than
a
question,
but
can
the
board
provide
details
on
how
they
have
seen
the
parole
process
change
since
this
enactment.
R
Okay
of
the
successful
re-entry
yeah
be
happy
to
do
that.
If
I
may,
I
can
answer
one
great
thing:
that's
come
out
of
this
successful
re-entry
act.
If
I
may,
yes,
you
all
in
a
small
piece:
well,
not
a
small
piece
and
a
piece
of
successful
reentry
act.
You
all
permitted
video
impact
statements
that
victims
can
send
to
the
board.
You
all
funded
a
position
for
that.
We
have
filled
that
position.
R
The
employee
is
working
and
also
you
all
had
earmarked
some
money
to
build
for
sts
to
build
a
program
to
handle
these
videos.
Well,
our
staff,
in
cooperation
with
sts,
was
able
to
take
a
technology
that
is
already
out
there.
Utilize
it
and
the
only
cost
to
the
state
was
labor
man
hours
by
state
staff
to
build
the
system,
something
we're
very
excited
about.
R
R
A
And
are
most
of
those
hearings:
are
they
based
on
new
evidence
or
what's
the
basis
for
those
clemency
hearings,
primarily.
S
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
rob
clark,
I'm
general
counsel
for
the
board
of
parole.
Those
are
hearings
that
are
initiated
by
the
applicants
each
governor.
They
get
to
write
their
own
clemency
applications.
They
get
to
set
the
criteria,
so
the
clemency
applicants
initiate
the
process
once
they
apply
and
they've
met
the
threshold
criteria
of
the
governor.
Those
are
sent
out
to
board
members
to
write
them
up
and
make
a
recommendation
as
to
whether
or
not
the
board
should
hold
a
hearing
so
of
the
thousand
plus
applications
that
we
get.
S
Those
are
filtered
down
through
the
governor's
criteria.
Some
people
might
send
in
an
application
not
provide
all
the
materials
they're
supposed
to
provide
say,
for
instance,
in
a
pardon
application.
You
have
to
be
five
years
after
expiration
of
your
conviction.
So
sometimes
we'll
have
people
apply
in
that
period
before
they've
hit
that
five
years
commutation.
S
Sometimes
people
won't
fall
within
all
of
the
criteria,
but
those
are
initiated
by
the
applicant
and
then
the
board
whittles
them
down
to
the
ones
that,
based
on
the
instruction
and
criteria
from
the
governor,
they
feel
would
be
worth
the
board's
time
to
conduct
a
full
and
fair
hearing.
In
order
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
governor
on
the
application
once
they've
hit
those
initial
criteria
that
he's
outlined.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
chairman
baum,.
R
Chairman,
I
will
tell
you
what
I
can.
Naturally,
we
cannot
go
into
details.
They
geoff
ag's
office,
strictly
prohibits
us
from
doing
that.
For
obvious
reasons,
I
can
tell
you
all,
since
you
have
received
this
presentation.
R
S
And
and
chairman
baum
rob
clark,
general
counsel
for
the
board,
if,
if
I
may
say,
if
I
may
separate
between
the
number
of
lawsuits
that
we
have
pending,
those
are
the
ones
that
would
have
damages
associated
with
it,
financial
damages
at
the
end.
That
would
end
up
in
front
of
the
claims
commission
and
as
our
executive
director,
mr
providence
said,
there's
one
of
those
remaining
and
we
are
a
pretty
minor
player
in
that
case,
but
obviously
it
has
to
play
out
in
the
in
the
system.
S
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
and
maybe
just
one
follow-up
with
the
monetary
damages.
Would
they
be
from
like
lost
earnings,
or
would
it
be
more
from
other
expenses,
or
maybe
you
can't
say.
S
Without
going
into
too
much
detail,
mr
chairman,
I
believe
the
claimant
is
seeking
that
for
wrongful
imprisonment.
Okay,
just
the
legal
theory
under
which
they're
seeking
compensation
just
punitive
damages.
S
I
believe
they're
trying
to
claim
an
actual
monetary
loss.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
A
Well,
thank
you.
We
don't
have
any
further
questions
on
our
list
and
we
will
be
happy
to
tell
chair
montgomery
that
you
all
were
in
and
out
and
lessen
your
allotted
time,
because
I
think
we
cheated
you
a
little
bit
on
the
front
end.
You
did
a
remarkable
job,
even
though
it
did
take
five
of
you
to
replace
him.
So,
but
thanks
again
for
being
here
with
us
today.
Thank.
T
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee
members,
honored
to
be
here
today
to
present
tricor's
budget
to
you
for
fy
2023.
T
Just
a
a
brief
agency
overview
tricore
is
a
self-sufficient
agency,
we're
governed
by
a
nine-member
board
of
directors
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
we've
actually
got
our
ninth
member
appointed
by
the
governor
this
week.
So
we
are
at
full
board
strength
for
the
first
time
in
over
a
year
and
a
half
we're
based
in
12
locations,
which
is
the
10
state,
correctional
facilities,
one
outside
facility,
and
we
are
in
one
county
jail
system
which
is
shelby
county.
T
Our
operations
that
we
have
across
the
state
include
agriculture,
which
is
mainly
row
crops
and
beef
cattle.
We
have
service
businesses
which
are
call
centers
private
industry,
enhancement
programs
with
private
partners.
We
have
recycling
document
imaging
just
to
name
a
few.
We
also
have
a
vocational
trades
program
in
memphis
as
well
manufacturing.
We
do
license
plates
textiles,
print,
industrial
cleaning
products
and
our
braille
program
over
at
riverbend
maximum
security.
T
We
do
run
a
dashboard
that
we
pay
particular
attention
to
and
our
three-year
recidivism
rate
for
last
year
was
21.8,
which
is
a
little
above
what
we
normally
run,
and
it
was
mainly
due
from
one
facility
that
was
had
a
a
lot
of
releases
with
substance
abuse
type
issues.
We
realize
that
we
didn't
have
the
network
of
support
for
those
individuals
whenever
they
got
out
and
we've
corrected
that
issue.
T
T
We
had
four
findings,
which
was
up
from
our
previous
audit,
and
one
of
those
was
a
repeat
finding
that
I'd
like
to
just
mention
briefly,
and
it's
where
we
need
to
improve
our
procedures
for
preparing
and
reviewing
financial
state
statements
to
prevent
errors.
T
All
the
other
three
findings
that
we
had.
The
findings
were
mitigated
with
action
plans,
and
we
expect
no
other
issues
around
that
our
budget
for
this
upcoming
year
and
23
is
28.5
million
dollars.
That's
down
a
little
bit
from
the
year
before,
but
it's
just
all
due
to
the
reissue
of
the
new
license
plate.
Most
of
the
plates
will
be
produced
in
2022,
which
is
this
fiscal
year,
and
then
the
balance
of
those
plates
will
be
done
in
2023..
T
Our
capital
budget
is
950
000
that
we
have
slated
for
replacement
of
necessary
equipment
as
well
as
additional
equipment
for
different
businesses
and
we're
not
requesting
any
funding
for
them
for
next
year.
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
that
concludes
my
presentation.
I'm
open
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
committee
may
have.
A
B
Thank
you,
chair,
lady,
thank
you
for
coming
today.
I
I
think
I
remember.
Last
year
you
talked
about
because
of
covid
that
you
had
a
you
were
expecting
a
reduction
of
about
2.5
million
dollars
in
revenue
and
that
you
were
trying
to
offset
that.
I
guess
the
question:
are
you
exp?
Are
you
expecting
that
to
continue
this
year
and
how
do
you
expect
or
hope
to
mitigate
that
shortfall.
T
We're
expecting
not
to
hit
our
our
budget,
but
not
by
those
numbers,
we're
expecting
to
be
within
a
million
dollars
of
our
our
targeted
budget,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
due
to
more
of
the
correctional
officer
situation
in
in
the
prisons
and
but
there's
another
key
piece,
and
that
is
with
our
private
partners.
They're
experiencing
tremendous
losses
in
supply
chains,
so
you
know
we're
we're
kind
of
caught
into
two
different
things.
T
The
good
news
for
us
is
that
the
covet
19
situation
is
far
less
this
year
than
what
it
was
last
year.
So
so
we're
focused
mainly
on
those
two
fronts.
All.
M
Thank
you,
madam
speaker,
thank
you
for
being
here,
I'm
always
a
fan
for
trico.
I
think
that
program
really
does
a
lot
for
us
and
I'm
very
appreciative.
I
didn't
want
to
ask
you,
though
I
know
you
were
authorized
back
in
2020
to
expand
the
program
but
to
provide
more
work
for
the
local
jails.
Can
you
give
the
committee
an
update
on
this
expansion.
T
Yes,
sir
representative
shaw:
we
are
in
one
county
full
full-blown
program
and
that's
in
shelby
county
corrections.
We
have
a
recycling
program
there
and
we
have
a
little
over
80
offenders
that
are
working
in
that
program.
Currently,
we
were
in
henderson
county,
where
we
were
just
doing
programming.
We
didn't
have
a
work
program
associated
with
it.
One
of
the
things
that
we
were
doing
with
henderson
county
was
training
their
personnel
to
be
able
to
take
over
the
programming.
You
know
once
they
were
fully
trained.
T
O
T
One
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
of
is
that
we
put
the
right
partners
and
the
right
program
in
place
to
where
it's
successful,
really
shelby
county
is,
is
the
first.
It's
really
the
pilot
program
for
us.
We've
had
nothing
but
great
success
with
that,
and
the
administration
at
shelby
county
is
has
been
great
to
work
with,
and
we've
got
probably
five.
Maybe
six
other
counties
that
we're
currently
in
discussions
with.
You
know
trying
to
expand
that
county
program.
A
And
just
along
those
lines,
you
know
the
work,
that's
being
done
within
the
prisons
within
the
counties,
giving
prisoners
work
experience,
giving
them
an
opportunity
to
earn
money.
Do
we
have
any
numbers
on
how
that
impacts
if
it
does
impact
their
ability
in
the
job
placement
once
they're
released.
C
Hello,
dimitri
gibson
chief
transition
officer
in
charge
of
the
programming
that
we
do
provide.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
noticed
is
that
it
makes
a
tremendous
difference
when
an
individual
has
had
the
ability
to
experience
what
work
looks
like
and
so.
For
that
reason
our
folks
end
up
being
some
of
the
best
employees
that
you
can
find
once
they
are
released
because
they're
used
to
it.
We
treat
all
of
our
programming
as
if
it's
a
real
job,
so
they
come
in.
They
do
interviews
with
our
team.
C
So
once
they're
released
into
the
community
on
the
very
first
day,
they
have
their
savings
that
they've
earned
themselves
already
with
them
and
they're
able
to
be
successful
and
buy
those
work
boots
or
buy
pay
for
child
care
when
they
go
back
into
the
community,
and
that
removes
a
lot
of
barriers
that
they
have
so
they're.
Definitely
really
successful.
In
that
one
final
point
that
I'll
add,
as
we
are
vetting,
different
partners
and
different
opportunities.
C
One
of
the
things
that
we
look
at
is
the
department
of
labor's
projections
in
terms
of
what
the
workforce
will
need
in
the
next
five
to
ten
years,
and
we
try
to
marry
our
programming
up
to
what
the
needs
are
going
to
be
in
the
labor
market
so
that
they
will
be
successful
when
they
are
released.
A
C
A
Thank
you
again.
We
in
previous
conversations
with
the
department
of
corrections,
you
know
recidivism,
continues
to
be
a
huge
issue.
It's
a
it's
a
cost
to
society,
it's
cost
to
the
taxpayer
and
we
appreciate
anything
that
can
be
done
to
reduce
that
number.
The
leader
lambworth
you're
next
on
my
list.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
to
echo
those
points.
Thank
you
all
for
everything
that
you
all
do
it
really
is
impressive.
I
mean
from
license
plates
to
a
variety
of
other
services
that
you
provide
to
the
state,
but
also
just
to
make
sure
that
these
prisoners
have
an
opportunity
to
to
do
a
real
job
and
a
real
wage
and
to
have
something
that
they
can
count
on
once
they're
released.
P
So
with
that
in
mind,
last
year,
tricor
stated
it
had
a
proposed
capital
budget
of
about
1.6
million
to
put
towards
new
business
startups
and
purchasing
agricultural
equipment.
We'd
heard
about
that
in
a
hearing
at
that
juncture,
so
this
year
I
know
the
proposed
capital
budget
is
about
950
000.
Can
you
give
us
an
update
on
how
that's
going
on
the
business
startups
and
specifically,
if
any
of
the
capital
budget
items
from
last
year
are
kind
of
rolled
over
into
this
year?.
T
I'll
turn
that
over
to
pat
in
just
a
second-
and
he
can
give
you
a
lot
more
detail
on
that,
but
our
capital
budget
really
fluctuates
from
year
to
year,
depending
upon
what
we
see
as
replacement
needs
for
existing
equipment,
for
example
in
agriculture.
If
we
have
to
do
a
replacement
of
a
combine,
you
know
it's
a
half
a
million
dollars
now
you
know
so
it
has
a
significant
impact.
T
The
one
thing
I
will
say
is:
over
the
last
two
or
three
years,
we've
invested
significant
amount
of
dollars
in
the
license
plate
factory,
actually
twice
we
got
recovery
from
from
the
first
one
they
got
blown
away,
but
but
the
the
second
one,
just
the
printing
system
itself,
was
a
little
over
1.6
million
dollars.
So
so,
whenever
we're
looking
at
new
business
startups
or
replacement
equipment,
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
really
drive
our
capital
investment
needs.
Q
A
number
of
those
items
did
roll
over.
As
david
mentioned,
some
of
our
priorities
changed
throughout
the
year
last
year.
Those
items
that
we
required
to
meet
current
needs
were
bumped
to
the
top
of
the
list
in
place
of
some
items
that
were
on
the
regular
replacement
calendar.
Those
items
were
evaluated
to
see
if
they
could
withstand
another
12
months
and
roll
to
the
next
budget.
Q
Q
If
we
do
have
an
issue
with
one
of
those
things,
their
replacement
sometimes
comes
up
quickly.
We
have
to
make
decisions
between
repair
versus
replace.
Of
course,
the
best
thing
for
the
offenders
are
to
be
working
on
the
most
recent
equipment
when
they
come
out.
They'll
have
the
relevant
skills
to
operate
that
equipment
when
they
come
out
and
should
enhance
their
ability
to
get
a
job
when
they
come
out.
Q
It's
been
out
there
a
couple
of
years
now
the
right
time
has
not
presented
itself
and
a
lot
of
that
had
to
do
with
the
recovery
from
the
tornado
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
we
are
beginning
at
this
part
we're
starting
to.
We
have
been
actually
expanding
a
beef
herd
over
bledsoe
county
and
we're
planning
for
some
building
expansion
there
for
a
cath
barn
and
things
like
that.
As
I
think
we've
exceeded
700
units
or
something
in
the
herd.
Q
Now
the
we
should
be
experiencing
a
lot
of
calves
dropping
at
the
at
the
calving
season
and
that's
given
us
a
little
bit
of
pressure
to
put
them
under
roof
to
take
care
of
them.
So
it
also
gives
the
vets
some
place
to
work.
So
those
are
some
things
that
generally
move
along
with
the
budget
and
as
funds
allowed,
we've
been
able
to
invest
in
those
last
couple
of
years,
as
you
noted,
we
were
unable
to
meet
the
projected
revenue.
Q
We
take
that
into
account
as
well,
and
we
we
push
items
to
the
next
budget
year
if
we're
low
on
on
cash
or
cash
is
in
in
a
downward
trend.
Q
P
Perfect,
thank
you
so
very
much
and
I'll
say
just
I
guess,
as
a
psa
here
on
this,
you
guys
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
design
of
any
particular
play,
just
the
production.
So
if
there
are,
are
not
any
issues
there,
potentially
it
definitely
had
known
y'all
y'all
just
make
sure
to
get
them
producing
out
the
door
on
time.
So
thank
you
all
for
that,
and
just
thanks
for
everything
you
do.
P
It's
really
neat
what
you
provide
to
the
system
and-
and
I
say
this
every
year,
but
I
really
appreciate
it,
because
we
need
more
of
that.
We
need
more
programs
like
what
you
guys
do
and
to
expand
jaws
because
it
just
it.
It
really
does
change
lives
and
it
gives
folks
just
a
lot
of
pride
and
you
guys
see
it
every
day
in
learning
how
to
put
in
a
good,
hard
day's
work
and
to
see
the
the
benefits
of
that
over
time.
So
thank
y'all.
Thank
you,
leader,
lambert.
O
T
T
The
sale
of
products
and
services
for
one
and
to
state
agencies,
mainly
department
of
correction,
is
our
largest
state
agency.
Of
course
we
do
license
plates
for
the
department
of
revenue,
and
then
we
do
some
other
services
for
some
state
agencies,
but
not
at
the
levels
that
we
do
for
those
two
and
then
the
other
part
is
through
private
partnerships
with
with
tennessee
companies
and
and
other
companies
on
the
outside.
T
As
we
have
two
wood
flooring,
operations
that
are
privately
held
and
and
we've
got
a
medical
sewing
operation
that
we
do,
that
it's
a
a
private
partner
and
then
we
have
call
centers
across
middle
and
western
tennessee
that
that
we
operate.
O
Recidivism
at
21
is,
I
don't
know
how
to
measure
what
to
compare
that.
But
it's
is
that
good.
It's
not.
T
For
us,
21.8
is,
has
been
the
high
since
I've
been
ceo,
typically
we're
in
around
15
or
16,
and
as
we
talked
about
it
was
one
area
where
we
had
a
lot
of
substance,
abuse
people
being
released,
and
we
just
didn't
have
the
network.
You
know
in
place
to
help
them.
The
way
that
we
needed
to
is
what
we
think
so
and.
C
Representative,
if
I
may
just
for
clarity,
so
if
we
have
a
21.8
recidivism
rate,
that
means
about
89
percent
of
our
folks
did
not
I'm
sorry.
79
of
our
folks
did
not
come
back
and,
as
david
said,
we
typically
are
within
the
15
percentage
rate,
meaning
85
percent
of
our
folks
remain
in
the
community
after
three
years.
O
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
appreciate
the
great
work
you
all
do.
You
spoke
briefly
about
the
mandatory
savings
for
participants
in
your
program.
Do
you
by
chance
track
any
data
that
relates
to
the
victim
restitution
and
do
you
have
any
numbers
that
you
can
share
with
that?
I'm
just
hunting
some
data
on
our
victim
restitution
rights
over.
T
A
All
right,
well,
that
has
exhausted
our
question
list
again.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today,
and
it's
really.
It
is
critically
important
that
what
you
all
do-
and
I
think
the
point
has
been
made-
but
we'll
underscore
that
your
work
is
done
without
state
funding,
but
it
has
a
tremendous
impact
on
state
funds
because
all
of
those,
whether
it's
79
or
85,
all
those
people
who
don't
go
back
into
the
system
they're.
Not
only
are
they
not
a
drain
on
the
taxpayer,
but
they're
out
there
working
and
contributing.
A
So
it
really
is
important
that
you
continue
your
good
work
and
we
appreciate
it,
and
I
think
the
challenge
for
us
is
to
figure
out
how
to
to
scale
it
up
or
to
find
more
partners
find
more
ways
to
help
other
folks.
Do
the
same
kind
of
thing
that
you
all
do
so
thanks
again
for
all
that
you
do
for
the
state
of
tennessee
without
our
funding.
A
A
Without
objection,
we
are
back
in
session
and
just
a
reminder
we
will
be
meeting
on
thursday
afternoon
for
budget
hearings.
One
more
time
chairman
zachary
tried
to
have
an
accident
last
week
to
get
him
out
of
doing
it
again,
but
you
know
luckily,
for
he
and
us
he
was
not
injured
and
is
able
to
maintain
his
presence
here,
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
him
on
thursday,
along
with
the
rest
of
you
and
then
next
week
we
will
have
a
different
schedule.
So
with
no
other
business
coming
before
the
committee,
we
stand
adjourned.