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House Finance, Ways & Means Subcommittee House Hearing Room 3
A
Good
morning,
I'd
like
to
call
the
finance
ways
and
means
committee
to
order
for
february
28
2022.,
we
may
have
some
people
wandering
the
halls
looking
for
us.
Normally,
we
are
in
house
hearing
room
one,
but
we've
been
booted
today
and
because
of
gov
ops,
so
we
may
have
some
stragglers
if
you're
in
the
hallway.
A
We
will
where's
our
cler,
oh
there's
our
clerk.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
roll
representatives.
A
C
A
Your
this
information
is
on
your
dashboard.
D
Good
morning,
and
thank
you
very
much,
as
the
chair
said,
my
name
is
bobby
roth
and
I
have
the
great
privilege
of
working
with
a
great
team
of
100
colleagues
at
ecd
every
day,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
present
to
you
this
morning
is
not
only
our
budget,
as
proposed
by
governor
lee
and
fna,
but
also
a
report
card
to
give
you
an
update
on
some
of
our
key
indicators,
and
I
just
want
to
say
at
the
outset.
D
This
is
the
work
of
again
this
team,
and
so
to
my
immediate
left
is,
is
brianna
moore
and
brianna
is
ecd's.
Budget
director
to
brianna's
left
is
paul.
Vandermeer
paul
is
our
assistant,
commissioner
of
administration,
to
my
immediate
right
is
alan
board
and
our
deputy
commissioner
responsible
for
business
development
and
a
whole
host
of
other
important
initiatives
and
then
to
his
for
immediate
right
is
jessica,
johnson,
our
senior
fiscal
policy
advisor.
D
So,
madam
chair,
with
your
permission,
I'd
like
to
maybe
go
through
it's
all
of
about
seven
or
eight
pages
or
a
presentation
and
then
we'll
certainly
entertain
any
and
all
questions
of
not
only
the
five
of
us
here
seated.
But
we've
got
a
couple
of
our
other
outstanding
colleagues
that
are
here
to
answer
any
and
all
questions.
A
Thank
you,
commissioners.
We
will
wait
patiently
through
your
presentation
and
hold
our
questions.
Thank
you.
D
D
That
provides
us
the
incentives
to
allow
us
to
be
competitive,
and
just
I
want
to
share
with
you
that,
as
you
know
today,
as
has
been
the
case
for
the
last
several
years,
every
project
is
competitive
and
we're
competing
typically
against
states
that
are
contiguous
to
our
state
and
then
our
second
large
bucket
is
our
rio
fund.
That's
our
rural
economic
opportunity
fund
and
the
proposed
request:
there's
26
million
dollars
fast
track's
103
million,
and
then
this
is
a
new
program
that
the
general
assembly
is
you
know
initiated
last
year.
D
D
As
far
as
supplemental
requests,
we
have
none
today
for
you
as
far
as
reduction
plan,
we
do
not.
No
reductions
were
accepted
in
our
recommended
budget
by
the
governor's
office.
Now
to
what
we
will
call.
D
And
so
what
you'll
see
here
is
a
snapshot
of
the
last
five
years.
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
go
through.
All
of
the
data
points
I
would
ask
you
to
2020
was
a
very
interesting
year.
As
we
all
know,
the
world
truly
did
just
about
stop
and
at
the
same
time
we
were
able
to
at
least
hold
our
own.
But
what
was
so
exciting
for
our
department
in
our
business
is
january.
1
of
2021.
D
A
couple
of
I
think
very
interesting
data
points.
That
would
be
so
if
you
just
look
at
a
normal
average
about
124
projects
each
year.
These
are
projects
where
ecd
offers
incentives,
representing
about
18
500,
net
new
jobs
and
over
five
billion
dollars
of
capex.
So
that
would
be
the
average
going
back
the
last
five
years
what's
interesting
about
this.
Also
is
when
you
look
at
2021.
D
D
D
What
you'll
also
note
is
we
have
where
we've
had
some
challenges
as
far
as
hitting
all
of
our
our
major
initiatives
is
our
foreign
direct
investment
and
unfortunately,
when
the
borders
closed
that
really
diminished
the
opportunity
to
recruit
great
foreign
direct
investment
companies,
but
to
give
you
a
sense,
historically,
one
out
of
three
projects
that
we
would
incent
were
from
companies
that
we
call
fdi
companies
foreign
direct
investment
companies
that
are
coming
to
the
u.s.
D
D
Alan
board-
and
I
just
came
back
last
week
from
our
first
international
trip
to
europe
and
we'll
talk
about
that
here
in
a
few
minutes.
But
the
great
news
is
that
world
is
opening
up
again.
I
think
also
an
important
data
point
47
of
the
projects
have
located
in
our
rural
communities
and
then,
of
course,
the
data
point.
That's
really
important
is
in
the
small
footnote
at
the
bottom
and
that's
in
2021.
D
Over
90
percent
of
the
projects
were
projects
for
companies
that
paid
at
least
the
county
median
wage
and
you're
going
to
say
well
bobby.
Why
is
that
important?
That's
one
of
governor
billy's
request
to
our
team
is:
if
we're
going
to
use
state
tax
dollars,
let's
make
sure
that
we're
we're
good
stewards
of
those
dollars
and
let's
make
sure
that
we're
appropriately
incenting
and
you're
going
to
say
well,
why
did
we
not
have
a
hundred
percent
batting
you
know
or
a
thousand
percent
batting
average?
D
There
we've
got
a
couple
of
outliers
amazon
being
won,
and
this
is
in
no
way
a
negative
reflection,
but
last
year
they
built
three
e-fulfillment
centers.
These
are
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
as
investment
they
put
one
in
each
grand
division
and
these
are
hundreds
of
jobs
in
each
grand
division.
D
But
they
were
not
excited
about
us
telling
them
where
their,
where
they
should
pay
their
people.
Now,
the
great
news
is:
that's
all
changed
so
while
they
came
to
us
and
their
incentives
that
they
had
filled
out
in
their
afi
showed
wages
below
the
county
median
wage,
that's
all
taking
care
of
itself
today,
but
nonetheless
we
report
it
as
presented
to
us
so
that
and
again
they're
great
clients.
D
Talking
about
the
year-
and
you
can
see,
we
have
had
we
collectively,
we,
the
state,
we,
the
general
assembly,
we
ecd,
we,
the
executive
branch,
had
a
terrific
year
and
it
really
the
largest
project
by
jobs,
is
oracle,
and
that
was
announced
last
summer
and
that's
going
to
be
8
500,
that's
going
to
be
8,
500,
great
jobs.
D
This
is
over
the
next
eight
years
and
what
we're
excited
about
there
is
oracle's
going
to
invest
1.4
billion
dollars
of
their
own
capital
in
our
state
and
then
followed
by
the
ford
motor
company
blue
oval
project
that
was
announced
in
september
5760
jobs
and
that's
over
in
west
tennessee
at
the
memphis
regional
mega
site
and
then
going
back.
We
we
have
amazon
on
here
because
again
at
the
time
that
was
our
largest
project
with
5
000
jobs
here
in
nashville.
D
But,
as
I
mentioned
to
you
a
few
minutes
ago
since
then,
they
have
built
three
great
e-fulfillment
centers
across
all
three
grand
divisions
with
respect
to
capital.
This
is
another
record-breaking
moment:
the
5.6
billion
dollars
again,
that's
blue
oval
at
ford
motor
company
ski
and
that
project
followed
by
ultim
cells.
This
is
the
ev
battery
manufacturing
facility,
which
is
under
construction
in
spring
hill
2.4
million
dollars,
just
by
the
way
of
that
is
a
joint
venture
between
general
motors
and
energy
energy
solutions.
D
Out
of
south
korea,
followed
by
gm,
their
new
cadillac
lyric,
that's
they're,
going
to
basically
spend
another
2
billion
dollars
in
spring
hill,
so
again
a
very
successful
year.
I
think
what
we're
excited
about
is
not
only
did
we
have
some
great
record-setting
projects,
but
we
had
a
whole
host
of
projects.
These
were
just
simply
some
of
the
highlights
of
the
larger
ones,
I'd
like
to
flip
to
our
rural
initiatives
and
just
say
to
you
that
we're
grateful
that
this
is
a.
D
This
is
an
initiative
that
goes
back
to
2017,
and
this
was
before
I
arrived.
But
what
is
important
to
note
here
is
this:
is
an
initiative
led
by
brooksy
carlton,
who
is
our
assistant,
commissioner
of
rural
and
community
development,
and
this
is
to
create
tools
in
our
toolbox
to
help
our
royal
communities?
D
That
may
not
be
right
on
the
right
next
to
one
of
our
large
urban
communities,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
be
creative,
because
even
some
of
the
most
beautiful
sites-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
them
if
that
location
in
that
park,
is
not
within
a
15
minute
or
20-minute
drive
to
the
interstate,
no
matter
how
great
that
and
that
could
be
a
community
with
hundreds
of
phds,
so
the
greatest
workforce,
but
if
that
community
is
not
closely
aligned
with
either
rail
or
barge
or
interstate
systems.
D
That,
just,
unfortunately,
is
not
there's
just
a
lot
of
work
there.
So
the
the
real
leading
initiative
inside
of
the
rio
program
is
what
we
call
our
site
development
program.
D
So
this
is
a
bucket
of
gold
that
we
score
and
communities
will
apply
for
these
grant
dollars
and
these
dollars
are
used
to
invest
in
their
local
industrial
parks,
so
think
of
a
park
that
may
need
either
an
extra
couple
of
hundred
acres
to
expand
because
they're
out
of
space
or
they
may
need
a
larger
water
or
wastewater
utility,
but
think
of
it
as
infrastructure
needs.
And
so
that
has
been
a
fantastic
tool
and
we'll
talk
about
those
results
here
in
a
minute.
D
What
I
think
is
also
important
to
note
is
since
not
2017
the
number
of
distressed
counties
we're
down
to
nine.
Now
our
goal.
When
I
arrived,
they
had
a
goal
of
zero,
I'm
not
sure
we're
gonna
get
to
zero,
but
I
can
tell
you
I
never
dreamed
we
would
go
from
nineteen
to
nine
and
just
so
you
know
this
is
a
fail.
These
are
federal
data
points
that
determine
and
we
talk
about
distressed
counties.
This
is
the
10,
the
bottom
10
percent,
the
least
prosperous
counties
across
the
3
500
counties
across
the
u.s.
D
So
think
of
this,
as
we
have
nine
that
are
that
are
in
that
bottom
10
and
that's
based
on
all
federal
data.
That's
that's
poverty
level,
that's
unemployment
and
I
think
it's
also
net
capital
per
person
as
far
as
wages.
So
we're
very
excited
about
that
and
then
you
guys
know
thanks
to
your
great
leadership,
the
broadband
initiative.
D
We
know
how
successful
that
has
been
and
continues
to
be,
and
then
we've
got
a
couple
of
secondary
programs
that
again
these
are
smaller
programs
but
they're
opportunities
for
the
local
rural
communities
to
continue
to
invest
in
their
in
their
community.
D
This
site
development
program.
You
can
see
the
data
here.
I
think
it
really
speaks
for
itself,
but
I
can
just
tell
you:
63
counties
have
participated
over
40
million
dollars
in
funding
and
we've
identified
11
projects
that
have
been
tied
to
these
site
development,
grant
programs,
4,
400
jobs,
1.3
billion
dollars
very,
very
excited
about
this
program,
and
the
governor
has
increased
to
that
for
this
coming
2023
year.
D
Also,
the
historic
development
grant
program-
and
this
is
to
restore
these
buildings
that
are
historical
and
across
more
times
than
not
our
while
there
is
some
urban,
it's
really
for
our
rural
communities
and
you
can
see
there,
I'm
not
going
to
read
that
slide
for
you,
but
we
are
focused
on
that
program.
D
The
great
news
is
that
last
year
was
its
first
year,
it
was
very
successful
and
you
can
see
there
that
in
2022
we
had
10.8
million
dollars
of
funding
requests
and
we
were
able
to
successfully
award
44
of
those
applicants
so
we're
again
asking
for
an
increase
there
and
then
our
entrepreneur
and
small
business
ecosystem.
This
is
under
the
launch
tennessee,
and
this
is
abby.
D
These
are
the
toughest
opportunities
and
I
say
that
to
you
for
those
that
are
in
the
world
of
startup,
starting
that
business
typically
happens
in
the
basement,
and
then
two
people
move
to
the
garage,
maybe
four
to
go
to
the
living
room.
And
then
this
thing
takes
off
and,
as
I
think
about
our
greatest
story,
when
it
comes
to
entrepreneurialism,
is
a
company
called
fedex
and,
as
you
guys
know
today,
that's
a
fortune.
50
company
that
is
memphis,
headquartered,
35
000
tennesseans
go
to
work
there
every
day,
so
that
is
anecdotally.
D
As
I
said
at
the
outset,
I've
got
great
colleagues
here
to
answer
any
and
all
questions,
and
we
look
forward
to
to
those
questions.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
We
appreciate
your
conciseness
and
the
work
that
you
do.
There's
a
tremendous
amount
of
investment
as
your
slides
show
that
has
happened
in
tennessee,
and
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
that
just
didn't
happen.
There
was
a
lot
of
work
that
generated
that
investment
in
those
jobs.
So
thank
you
for
the
work
of
your
team
before
we
get
started
with
the
other
questions.
A
D
Well,
as
you
know,
this
is
this
world
of
the
early
ecosystem.
This
is
this
entrepreneurial
world
and
I
think
the
short
answer
is
with
the
dollars
that
you
a
lot
to
us.
We
launched
tennessee.
They
have
done
a
terrific
job,
so
we're
tied
to
that
that
non.
Basically,
it's
a
501c3
but,
as
you
know,
launch
tennessee,
a
super
super
majority
of
their
budget
is
funded
thanks
to
you
through
ecd
lamont
price
and
paul,
and
a
couple
of
other
colleagues
work
with
them
on
a
daily
basis.
D
The
program
you're
speaking
of
has
been
very
successful,
because
this
is
the
opportunity
for
either
100
or
300
dollar
grants
that
and
the
beauty
about
this
is
this
is
a
federal
program,
and
so
the
federal
program
leads
first
and
the
federal
program
basically
cause
balls
and
strikes,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
we're
not
in
there
picking
winners,
that's
the
federal
program
they
go
through
the
process
and
then
for
projects
located
in
tennessee.
We
match
our
dollars,
and
last
year
seven
million,
I
think,
was
matched
three
to
one.
D
A
And
I
guess
the
follow-up
question
I
would
have
on
the
federal
the
feds
determined
you
know
who's
going
to
get
funded.
As
you
said,
they
called
the
balls
and
strikes,
but
are
we
able
to
with
the
monies
that
we're
providing?
Are
we
able
to
match
those
for
every
grantee
in
tennessee
that
the
feds
have
said
you
are
eligible?
This
is
a
great
project
or
are
there?
Are
there
companies
out
there
that
we
are
not
being
able
to
get
resources
to.
D
I
can
say,
though,
that
any
dollars
that
you
put
toward
this
program
is
going
to
continue
to
allow
that
ecosystem
to
thrive,
and
I
think
another
way
to
say
that
is
of
the
7
million
was
their
demand
for
15
million
or
20
million,
and
I
think
directionally.
I
can
just
say
that
there
is
always
demand,
and
so
what
I
can't
tell
you
is
you
know.
When
it
comes
to
broadband,
we
can
tell
you
exactly
how
many
homes
do
not
have
broadband
service
and
we
all
want
to
aspire
to
light
up.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
being
here,
commissioner,
you
and
your
staff.
Thank
you
so
much.
In
fact,
if
I
ever
have
to
make
any
recommendations
for
you,
I'm
gonna
ask
the
governor
to
hire
everybody
with
a
boot
on
his
foot.
E
I
I
make
that
that
joke,
because
when
I
first
met
you,
you
had
a
boot
on
your
foot.
We
met
the
first
day
you
came
in.
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
you
do.
My
questions
is
around
mega
site.
Naturally,
I'm
really
excited
about
that
project.
It's
right
in
our
back
door,
and
hopefully
I'll
have
the
privilege
of
representing
that
area.
What
is
the
status
of
joint
virtue?
It's
two-part
venture,
that
is
a
two-part
question
and
are
they
additional
industries
which
have
been
attracted
to
build
on
the
mega
site.
D
F
D
A
big
big,
and
so
there
was
a
celebration
and
I
stood
in
the
corner
in
my
first
day-
scared
to
death,
like
your
mother,
dropping
you
off
at
in
kindergarten
and
so
johnny
shaw.
Just
was
very
nice
to
me,
and
I
will
always
love
you
for
that
friend,
so
more
than
you
asked
for,
but
so
the
blue
oval.
The
great
news
is,
a
lot
of
progress
has
been
made.
D
As
you
know,
the
new
industrial
authority,
the
new
board
we've
now
met
twice
as
recently
as
I
believe
last
two
weeks
ago,
two
weeks
ago,
and
so
ford
motor
company
plans
to
start
moving
dirt
in
march.
So
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
the
sk
joint
venture
for
the
electric
battery,
I
believe,
has
been
signed,
so
the
jv
is,
has
they
have
committed
the
resources?
D
So
when
you
think
of
the
electric
vehicle
transformation
that
we're
all
experiencing,
as
you
know,
think
of
the
battery
as
the
engine,
so
the
old
internal
combustion
engine
took
the
car
wherever
it
needed
to
be
today
in
the
new
world,
it's
about
the
battery,
and
so
they
are
moving
along
as
we
understand
it.
What
what
I
so?
Those
are.
The
two
data
points
to
know.
D
This
is
kind
of
the
new
world
and
it
used
to
be
in
just-in-time
manufacturing.
The
suppliers
were
within
a
60-minute
drive
of
wherever
their
customer
was
today
it's
60
seconds
and
that's
probably
not
close
enough.
So
what
we
anticipate
is
not
only
the
great
oem
it's
going
to
build
the
f-150
series
electric
truck
but
the
battery
plant,
and
then
we
think
10
to
12
suppliers
at
a
minimum.
E
You
dude
just
quickly
do
so
10
or
12,
you
think
10
or
12.
Additional
suppliers
will
land
that
do
we
know
who
they
are.
Have
we
got
any,
including
who
that
who
those
supplies
will
be.
D
We
could
now
wonder
nda's,
sir,
so
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
what
we
can
and
cannot
publicly
announce,
but
we're
aware
of
a
couple
of
really
good
tier
one
suppliers
and
also
we're
aware
of
some
activity
that
is
not
going
to
take
place
on
the
mega
site,
but
suppliers
that
are
going
to
be
within
close
proximity
to
the
mega
site.
D
D
That
is,
we
think,
as
close
to
being
airtight,
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
the
taxpayer
dollars.
And
I
can
say
that
to
you,
because
it's
a
very
complicated
agreement
and
so
the
industrial
development
authority
received
a
copy
of
the
lease
of
which
it
has
various
attachments
to
it.
D
Probably
the
other
extreme
was
what
happened
in
memphis
years
ago
with
the
electrolux,
when
there
were
no
accountability
agreements
guys
and
after
six
years,
they
woke
up
and
said:
well
we're
going
to
move
our
plant
and
our
facilities
and
take
everything
to
another
location.
The
great
news
is,
they
came
to
springfield
tennessee
so,
but
it
was
known
that
new
jobs,
but
if
you
can
think
of
the
world
and
how
we
did
business
12
years
ago
versus
the
world
and
how
we
transact
business
today,
it's
night
and
day,
sir
okay.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
go
back
for
the
two
or
three
questions,
just
in
the
interest
of
time.
Thank
you.
I
know
in
the
deal
we
approved
last
fall
for
the
mega
site.
We
also
included
5
million
dollars
for
some
consulting
grants
for
the
local
communities
there
to
utilize.
D
Yes,
sir,
so
chairman
I'm
going
to
ask
brooksy
brooksy
carlton,
as
I
mentioned,
is
our
assistant
commissioner
for
rural
and
community
development,
and
just
as
an
aside
for
the
history
of
that,
while
that
was
not
part
of
our
deal
that
we
had
negotiated
with
ford
motor
company,
this
was
something
the
governor's
office.
Thought
would
be
very
helpful,
so
this
is
an
extra
five
million
dollars
that
you
were
kind
enough
to
support
to
help
with
the
planning
process.
For
basically,
all
the
communities
are
going
to
be
within
probably
a
30
to
45
minute
radius.
H
Sir,
we
have
an
rfp
that
is
going
through
the
approval
process
right
now
to
hire
a
consultant
to
do
those
plans,
we're
going
to
focus
on
things
like
land
use,
planning,
population
projections,
water
and
sewer
planning
is
really
big
for
those
communities,
especially
regional
water
and
sewer
planning
and
schools.
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Do
you
will
it
utilize
the
entire
five
million
dollars.
G
H
Sir,
we
decided
to
do
it
that
way,
just
to
kind
of
help,
with
quality
control,
making
sure
that
we
got
a
really
good
consultant
on
board
who
could
handle
those
plans
and
could
think
holistically
about
the
region.
If
we
were
thinking
about
regional
water
and
sewer,
we
wanted
somebody.
You
know
the
same
person
to
be
thinking
about
what
the
region's
going
to
look
like,
and
what
water
and
sewer
is
going
to
look
like,
instead
of
having
a
whole
bunch
of
different
consultants
with
a
bunch
of
different
kind
of
planning
theories.
G
G
Most
of
these
contractors
that
are
coming
in
are
going
to
be
in
rvs,
and
I
don't
know
of
very
many
spaces
out
there
and
and
have
been
a
little
surprised
when
I've
asked
questions
of
tdec
to
see
what
inquiries
have
been
made,
that
they
really
hadn't
had
any
inquiries
about
what
the
local
capacity
is
for
wastewater,
because
wastewater
and
water
are
generally
the
restricting
factors
on
those,
so
I
would
have
thought
that
would
have
been
work
done
five
or
six
months
ago.
So
I'm
hoping
there's
something
going
on
with
that.
G
G
H
I
don't
have
much
of
an
update
on
that.
Walbridge
is
kind
of
taking
that
on.
Wallbridge
is
the
main
contractor
on
the
site
and
they,
as
far
as
I
have
heard,
they
are
kind
of
passing
that
down
that
responsibility
down
to
their
subcontractors,
to
figure
out
where
people
are
going
to
be.
But
construction
is
supposed
to
kick
off
in
march
and
then
really
ramp
up
this
summer.
H
So
there
is
an
immediate
need
to
find
housing
for
those
construction
workers,
but
there
honestly
is
not
a
great
solution
for
where
those
folks
can
go,
because
there
is
not
a
lot
of
rv
parking
or
temporary
spaces.
H
G
I
have
begun
the
conversations
with
tdec
along
that
lines
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
they're,
getting
a
report
together
to
share
with
you
guys
and
with
me
about
what
the
capacities
are,
what
the
limitations
are
of
those
current
systems
out
there
and
as
well
as
planted
the
seed
for
the
ability
to
pump
and
haul
so
that
they
could
collect
on
a
site
and
not
have
to
worry
about
piping
it
somewhere
and
so
they're,
at
least
primed.
For
that,
so
those
kind
of
conversations
contin
can
continue.
G
My
last
question
is
involving
child
care,
and
I
know
y'all
been
working
with
the
department
of
human
services
to
help
with
child
care
agencies
and
create
more
available
child
care
opportunities
in
the
rural
communities
is
the
mega
site
location
that
ecd
and
dhs
plan
to
focus
on
in
the
coming
years.
D
D
My
sense
is
initially
that
you'll
see
a
major
commute
pattern
coming
from
jackson
and
probably
from
memphis
and
then
over
time,
as
those
communities
develop.
Perhaps
you'll
have
a
more
robust,
single-family
and
multi-family
housing
in
those
neighborhoods.
That
will,
I
think,
grow
up
over
time
and
probably
the
best
example
would
be
spring
hill,
and
if
you
know
that
was
a
community
40
years
ago
of
about
4
000
people
about
an
hour
from
nashville.
D
Today,
it's
about
40,
000
people
and
obviously
connected
to
nashville
like
it's
around
the
corner.
We
think
over
time
that
perhaps
blue
oval
will
have
hopefully
the
same
kind
of
feel
to
it.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
staff.
It's
always
good
to
see
you
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
for
our
state.
I
just
had
a
question.
I
think
the
the
budget
fy
23
budget
includes
a
little
over
100
million
dollars
for
fast
track
grants,
jobs
for
tnc
jobs
for
10
monies.
I
guess
the
question
would
be
over
the
years.
We've
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
meeting
up
with
the
goals
as
it
relates
to
those
capital
investments.
I
I
my
question
is:
how
are
we
doing
with
that,
and
do
you
expect
that
to
continue
in
the
coming
year,
as
it
relates
to
that
100?
Yes,.
D
Historically,
for
the
sake
of
the
conversation,
our
fast
track
as
we
call
our
bucket
of
gold
when
we
incent
a
project,
it's
based
on
the
number
of
net
new
jobs
that
are
being
presented
to
us
for
that
project
and
then
there's
capex
and
then
there
are
the
wages
and
then
there's
also
another
category.
Is
the
project
going
to
be
in
one
of
our
tier
three
communities
or
our
tier
four
communities
and
I'll
come
back
to
that?
D
And
so,
if
you
do,
if
you
recruit
20
000
jobs,
that's
you
know
120
million
dollars,
and
so
that's
really
kind
of
the
30
000
foot
data
point
more
recently
under
governor
lee
when
it
comes
to
projects
that
are
either
in
what
we
call
at-risk
counties,
it's
a
multiplier
of
effects.
So
if
we
were
going
to
give
that
or
provide
a
grant
for
a
dollar
for
a
job,
it
would
be
a
dollar
35
to
locate
in
that
tier
three.
If
it
is
a
distressed
at
r,
that's
for
the
at-risk,
a
dollar
35.
D
If
it's
distressed,
it's
a
dollar
fifty,
so
we've
got
what
I'll
call
some
super
sized
incentives-
and
that's
probably
it's
not
super
sized,
but
it's
an
additional
incentive
to
get
some
of
these
companies
to
make
sure
they
look
at
our
more
rural
communities,
and
so
the
short
answer
is
100
115
million
dollars.
The
great
answer
chairman
williams
is:
we've
never
run
out
of
money
and
that's
been
in
thanks
to
you
guys,
because
I
can
promise
you
the
day
that
we
do
run
out
of
money
will
be
the
day.
I
The
thank
you
as
follow
up.
Do
you?
Do
you
think
that
the
the
ford
getting
this
great
for
our
state,
but
my
assumption
is,
is
that
the
they
were
more
at
risk
than
most
of
and
them
being
a
large
number
of
employees?
Does
it
skew
the
numbers
if
you
will,
as
it
relates
to
urban
versus
rules,.
D
D
For
again,
this
is
our
ecd
fast
track
bucket
that
capital
grant
resides
in
a
separate
bucket,
and
if
you
said
what
is
500
million
dollars,
which
was
our
total
capital
grant
divided
by
5700,
it
was
like
80,
some
odd
thousand
dollars,
and
so
we
have,
with
the
blessings
of
the
general
assembly,
now
allen's,
six
or
seven
or
eight
capital
grants
for
these
super-sized
projects
over
the
last
10
or
12
years
that
are
outliers.
But
again
that's
a
separate
track
for
approval,
and
that
comes
directly
to
the
general
assembly.
To
be
approved
separately.
I
So
finally,
the
of
the
fast
track
monies
that
going
forward
in
that
103
million
dollars
for
fy23.
Do
you
expect
any
of
those
resources
will
be
available
to
ford
or
have
we
completed.
D
We've
exhausted
it
to
ford
okay,
yes,
sir
and
sk
and
their
affiliates.
Now,
if
it
is
an
independent
supplier,
those
dollars
would
be
in
play,
allen.
You
know
wherever
they
would
locate
across
our
state.
Sir.
Thank.
I
You,
commissioner,
I
really
appreciate
the
work
you're
doing
if
we
all
just
had
alan
borden
whispering
in
our
ear.
We'd
be
fine,
but
thank
you
thank
you
for
your
teamwork
agreed,
sir.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioner
team
good
morning,
as
we've
been
sitting
here
talking
before
I
get
to
my
questions.
We've
we're
coming
out
of
a
23-month
pandemic
and
to
look
at
what
the
state
has
done:
ford
oracle
and
the
many
other
projects,
smith
and
wesson,
and
blount
county
and
east
tennessee
many
projects
that
don't
get
the
notoriety.
It's
a
it's
a
significant
credit
to
you
and
your
team
that
we
as
a
state
are
able
able
to
accomplish
those
things
in
a
worldwide
pandemic.
J
So
with
all
sincerity,
thank
you
to
what
you
and
your
team
have
done.
Thank
you,
chairman.
Three
questions.
Three
different
topics,
one-
and
this
came
up
during
your
conversation
with
representative
shaw,
as
chairman
williams
and
I
were
discussing,
can
you
explain
a
little
bit
what
the
state's
involvement
is
with
the
12
additional
entities
that
could
be
coming
to
the
mega
site?
What
does
that
mean.
D
D
Third-Party
logistics
unfortunately
does
not
carry
the
wage
levels
that
advanced
manufacturing
carry,
and
so
at
least
ford
motor
companies
shared
with
us,
where
they
think
their
wages
are
going
to
begin,
and
they
are
150
to
180
percent
of
what
the
wage
rates
are
in
and
around
that
community.
So,
that's
all
to
say
that
we
envision
as
we're
recruiting
new
companies
that
they're
going
to
bring
great
wages.
Okay,
so
that's
going
to
be
a
win
for
the
tennessee
worker.
D
The
asset
ford
motor
company,
an
ski
over
a
30-year
period,
will
pay
about
265
million
dollars
of
payments.
That'll
go
to
the
local
communities,
we'll
have
a
same
program
where
we'll
ask
these
companies
that
come
to
the
mega
site
to
also
have
a
pilot
program
so
we'll
be
generating
additional
revenue.
The
state
doesn't
envision
capturing
that
it's
a
pass
through
to
the
local
communities
to
pay
for
schools
and
sidewalks
and
health
care
and
education
and
those
kinds
of
things.
So
again,
think
of
that
is
outside
of
ford
sk
innovations.
D
J
Think
a
couple
more
man,
I'm
sure,
if
I
may,
shifting
to
broadband,
I
can't
let
you
go
without
talking
about
broadband.
We
I'm
on
business
and
utilities,
and
we've
already
had
started
to
see.
Bills
come
through
related
to
expansion
of
utilities,
and
the
conversation
has
already
started
with
one
bill
in
particular
about
underserved
versus
unserved,
and
that
conversation
that
you
and
I
have
had
many
times.
J
D
Chairman,
let
me
take
thirty
thousand,
I'm
gonna
ask
brooksy,
I
can
just
say
I
think
it's
one
of
the
really
good
initiatives.
The
problem
is
historically,
we
like
we
rely
on
fcc
mapping
and
we've
discovered
that
it's
inaccurate
on
a
good
day.
Okay,
so
the
great
news
is
we're
going
to
be
spending
dollars
to
basically
map
the
state
with
our
own
independent
consultant.
D
H
H
We
know
again
we
kind
of
started
with
the
fcc
map
and
then
our
connected
nation,
our
partner,
that's
doing
the
map,
did
a
ton
of
data
collection,
so
they've
added
in
a
lot
of
information,
but
the
public
comment
period
is
what's
going
to
get
us
an
accurate
map.
So
we
will
have
that
open
for
a
couple
months,
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
you
all
to
your
constituents
to
help
us
get
more
information
to
make
that
map
more
more
accurate
and
then
we'll
kind
of
have
our
final
map.
H
This
fall
and
we're
going
to
keep
up
with
that
map
as
well.
We'll
keep
adding
data
to
the
map.
J
Great,
thank
you
one
more,
madam
sharon.
I'll
be
done.
Last
question
related
to
the
fast
strike,
the
fast
track
infrastructure
development
program
and
the
local
grants
that
are
being
awarded.
I
believe
there
was
a
467
million
dollar
carryover
from
fiscal
year
22..
D
Those
dollars
have
been
committed
and
just
in
some
cases
the
dollars
haven't
been
drawn
down.
So
just
think
of
th
that
it's
not
like
there's
a
bucket
of
gold
that
we
can
all
I
say
we
at
ecd
can
scoop
in
and
reallocate,
but
it's
in
a
couple
of
different
buckets
and
and
paul
vandermeer.
If
you'll
please
now
come
to
20
000
feet,
not
a
hundred
feet.
Please,
sir.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Yes,
sir,
those
dollars
were
basically
all
committed.
We
had
170
million
of
that
was
for
things
that
had
already
been
contracted,
so
there
were
balances
of
contracts
fast
track
contracts
that
we
still
owed.
A
Thank
you,
and
just
for
a
moment
to
go
back
to
the
the
mega
site.
There
was
conversation
chairman
todd
asked
about
facilities
for
the
construction,
crews
and
all
that
that
are
going
to
begin
working.
I
think
there
was
comment
made
that
the
construction
is
really
going
to
ramp
up
in
march,
which
is
tomorrow.
A
So
can
you
give
us
any
indication
to
date
of
how
many
of
those
jobs
are
going
to
be
tennesseans?
How
many
are
going
to
be
being
pulled
in
from
other
states?.
D
All
right
I'll
take
that,
madam
chair,
so
the
short
answer
is
ford.
Motor
company
has
engaged
a
michigan-based
large
construction
company
that
builds
plants
all
over
the
globe,
and
so,
in
our
early
conversations
we
shared
our
lack
of
infrastructure
is
going
to
be
a
challenge
for
everybody
until
the
infrastructure's
built
out
that
didn't
seem
to
bother
them
at
all.
So
they
have
started
the
process.
I
think
they've
had
two
contractor
fairs
in
memphis.
I
can't
tell
you
the
exact
outcome.
D
At
the
same
time
we
have
we,
we
we
don't
dictate
to
companies,
whether
it's
ford,
ski
or
any,
of
the
other
thousands
of
companies
who
they
contract
with
what
the
wages
are,
whether
they
are
union
non-union.
We
just
have
historically
not
inserted
ecd,
because
what
we've
discovered
is
in
other
states
that
do
insert
themselves.
They
are
quickly
de-listed
by
the
companies
or
d
in
the
down
selection
process.
C
Dude
just
to
follow
up
on
this,
and
commissioner,
I've
asked
this
privately,
so
I'd
like
to
ask
and
get
the
public
answer
on
the
record
here.
Isn't
it
true
that
we
actually
don't
keep
up
with
the
exact
number
of
tennesseans
that
are
hired
on
construction
projects?
Not
only
do
we
not
require
it,
but
we
don't
keep
those
numbers
internally.
I
know
I've
asked
for
that
in
the
past
and
that
information
is
not
available.
Is
that
fair
enough
to
say
yes.
D
Sir
leader
lambeth,
we
again
stay
out
of
what
we
ask
the
company
to
do
is
annually
provide
reporting
again
this
isn't
construction
or
pre-construction.
This
is
once
the
project
is
built
where
we're
using
these
tennessee
taxpayer
dollars,
and
we
follow
those
metrics
that
are
reported
on
an
annual
basis,
but
we
truly
do
not
get
into.
Nor
do
we
track
to
the
answer
to
your
question
about
construction.
C
Y'all
have
done
nothing
but
hit
home
runs,
but
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
lacking
is
an
understanding
of
how
many
of
these
construction
jobs
go
to
not
only
tennessee
companies
but
tennesseans,
not
forcing
that,
but
it
would
be
nice
at
some
juncture
to
at
least
know
on
the
back
end,
how
many
of
our
tennessee
construction
companies
in
so
many
different
areas
had
at
least
an
opportunity
there,
and
if
long
term,
we
see
that
that
is
lacking.
Then
that
may
be
something
we
want
to
address
long
term.
D
So,
leader,
if
I
could
answer
that
in
in
two
ways
when
it
comes
to
construction
projects
in
the
more
metropolitan
areas,
there
is
a
way
a
construction
labor
force
built
into
those
communities.
Our
challenge
here
is:
we
have
one
of
our
most
rural
communities,
and
so
there
is
no
data.
You
know
the
winners
will
be
likely.
Companies
that
are
probably
in
memphis,
probably
established
construction
companies
in
jackson,
so
that
will
be
where
those
subcontractors
will
likely
come
from
we're
playing
beyond
construction.
D
What
I
mean
by
that
is
we're
playing
for
those
permanent
jobs
for
tennesseans
and
also
the
entire
support
and
ancillary
services
that
are
going
to
be
supporting
that
plant
right,
you're
going
to
spend
5.7
billion
dollars,
but
you're
going
to
need
a
whole
host
of
small
and
medium-sized
businesses
to
support
everything
that
goes
on
on
those
campuses.
So
we're
really
focused
and
excited
about
that.
But
you
do
raise
a
great
question.
E
I
did
madam
chair,
but
if
I
could
take
a
moment
of
personal
privilege,
my
county
mayor
just
stepped
in
with,
I
believe,
four
of
his
county
commissioners
and
I'd
like
to
you
all
to
help
me
make
welcome
county
mayor
jimmy
sane
and
county
commissioners
from
hardeman
county.
E
Thank
you
and
brooklyn,
I'm.
I
won't
go
back
to
what
you
said
when
representative
todd
was
was
speaking
about.
You
talked
about
those
grants,
I'm
I'm
con.
Here's.
What
I've
heard
from
the
mayors
is.
Why
are
they
holding
them
so
long,
because,
it's
kind
of
like
we
got
to
get
ready
for
this
big
investment?
H
Yes,
sir,
we're
moving
about
as
quick
as
the
contracting
process
at
the
state
will
allow
us
to.
I
know
that
some
of
the
communities
have
already
engaged
their
own
contractors
to
do
planning,
and
so
what
we
have
told
them
is.
We
can't
reimburse
them
for
anything
that
they've
already
done,
but
we
can
help
them
build
off
of
those
plans.
So
if
they
have
kind
of
a
water
sewer
plan
in
mind,
then
we
can
help
with
this
funding
to
help
do
some
of
the
engineering
to
get
those
plans
moving
forward.
E
D
D
A
project
is
going
to
come
to
your
community
and
as
a
local
incentive,
you
reduce
as
the
local
community,
their
taxes
and
I'm
talking
about
property,
real
and
personal
taxes,
okay,
and
so
we've
seen
them
as
long
as
20
or
30
years,
in
some
pilot
programs
or
five
years,
and
so
when
a
company
comes
to
that
community.
For
the
sake
of
the
conversation
that
asset
generates
no
income
taxes,
because
it's
perhaps
farmland
or
it
is
part
of
an
industrial
park
that
has
no
tenant,
and
then
they
make
a
capital
investment.
D
This
the
company
does
and
then
that
generates
taxes
locally
on
an
annual
basis
like
we
all
pay
our
own
in
our
own
taxes
for
our
homes.
So
think
of
that,
as
how
that's
set
up
what
communities
will
do
is
they
will
reduce
the
taxes
as
an
incentive,
and
so
that
generates
again?
If
you
cut
your
taxes
in
half,
if
you
owed
a
dollar
and
the
company
paid
50
cents,
the
company
saves
50
cents
and
the
community
receives
50
cents
that
it
wouldn't
have
otherwise
received.
D
So
it's
a
very
popular
and
normal
tool
to
recruit
what
we
would
call
extraordinary
projects,
because
the
state
owns
this
asset
and
it
generated
zero
tax
dollars.
What
we've
asked
ford
motor
company
and
ski
is
to
pay
annually
dollars
in
lieu
of
what
would
be
a
normal
property
tax
assessment,
and
so
we
take,
though
we
meaning
the
industrial
board
will
ultimately
when
those
dollars
come
in
on
an
annual
basis
will
make
the
decision.
D
K
Thank
you
matter,
chair.
I'm
going
to
shift
topics
a
little
bit,
the
the
the
film
and
television
incentive
program.
What's
the
status
of
that
fund
and
do
you
foresee
any
appropriations.
C
Needed
to
to
sustain
those
grants.
D
D
It
has
had
funding
that
in
some
years
back
when
the
show
nashville
was
here,
the
state
appropriated
eight
to
ten
to
twelve
million
dollars
for
that
project,
and
then
other
years
the
the
budget
has
shrunk.
The
tennessee
entertainment
commission
did
ask
for
additional
dollars,
above
and
beyond
the
recurring
dollars
that
are
funded
each
year.
D
Governor
lee's
office
did
not
present
that
in
this
budget.
At
the
same
time
I
can
tell
you
that
is
a
little
bit
of
an
arms
race
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
georgia
and
louisiana
when
it
comes
to
the
entertainment
industry.
Those
executives
mostly
reside
in
california
and
new
york.
D
D
The
world
the
world
that
they
live
in
out
there
is
well
if
I
bring
a
couple
of
series
to
be
filmed
in
tennessee
this
year.
I
expect
next
year
to
get
the
same
incentives
in
perpetuity
and
we
don't
have
a
sustainable
pro
program.
Having
said
that,
last
year,
thanks
to
the
general
assembly,
we
do
have
a
new
set
of
tools
inside
of
and
basically
these
are.
These
are
offsets
to
your
your
tax
credits.
D
So
we
do
have,
I
think,
a
good
program,
that's
competitive,
but
those
are
tax
credits
that
are,
you
know,
on
the
back
end
of
the
project.
What
you're
speaking
to
is
having
the
same
kind
of
fast
track
program
to
incent
companies
on
the
front
end,
and
I
can
say
that
bob
range
would
say
that
we
never
have
enough
money
to
bring
great
projects
to
tennessee
I'll.
D
Take
you
back,
though,
to
the
show
nashville,
which
now
resides
in
130
different
countries,
and
so
that
is
one
that
keeps
giving
when
you
look
at
what
it's
done
for
tourism
and
british
airways
and
some
other
things,
that's
a
different
conversation,
sir.
The
short
answer
is
we
presented
a
budget
and
governor
lee
and
fna,
basically
we're
here
to
support
the
budget
that
they
have
presented.
Sir.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I've
got
a
question
about
the
broadband
grants
at
the
state
level.
Do
you
have
any
concern
that
state
broadband
grants
are
competing
with
federal
broadband
grants?
Might
work
like
this?
A
company
actually
gets
someone
who
might
provide
the
broadband
service
actually
gets
a
federal
broadband
grant,
and
then
they
realize
a
state.
Broadband
grant
might
be
more
appealing
on
some
dimensions,
and
so
they
turn
the
federal
one
that
they've
received
down
in
order.
D
To
get
a
state
one,
that's
a
great
question
and
brooksie
before
you
answer
just
an
observation:
it's
thanks
to
this
state
and
the
general
assembly
that
created
this
broadband
program
a
handful
of
years
ago.
This
is
one
of
those
times
where
the
state
of
tennessee
led
first
and
the
feds
followed
so
again
kudos
because
it's
been
very
successful.
It
was
10
million,
15
million
20
million
a
year
and
so
brooks
and
her
team
were
very
good
about
trying
to
light
up
as
many
homes
as
they
could.
D
H
Sir,
we
have
not
had
that
happen
yet,
and
our
state
money
is
now
on
hold.
So
we
have
some
open
state
grants
that
are
closing
out,
but
we
haven't
issued
any
additional
state
funding
this
year.
We
have
our
applications
open
now
for
the
american
rescue
plan
funding.
So
we
have
400
million
dollars
that
we're
accepting
applications
for
we
had
1.4
billion
dollars
in
letters
of
intent
to
apply
for
that
funding.
So
we
will
have
a
very
competitive
round
and
then
we
will
have
additional
money.
H
At
least
100
million
dollars
will
be
coming
from
the
infrastructure
and
jobs
act,
so
we
will
have
more
federal
money.
So
the
great
thing
is:
is
that
we're
not
having
to
use
state
money
right
now,
but
we
are
using
federal
money,
which
means
there
are
some
additional
requirements
to
meet
all
the
federal
grant
requirements
and
grant
management
requirements
that
they
have
in
place.
So
right
now,
just
using
federal
money.
A
So
if
I
may
follow
up
on
that,
we
had
state
monies
that
we
granted
so
those
are
being
held
in
advance.
If
I'm
understanding
you
correctly
and
we
have
400
million
dollars
from
the
federal
through
the
fsa
appropriations,
the
arp
another
100
million
dollars
to
come
through
the
infrastructure
act.
So
that's
500
million
dollars
that
we
will
have
a
federal
funds
to
put
towards
broadband.
A
Maybe
I'm
misremembering,
but
at
one
time
I
thought
we
said.
400
million
dollars
would
take
care
of
our
broadband
problem
in
tennessee,
so
we've
already
got
500
here
and
then
we
have
the
other
monies
that
we
set
aside-
and
I
understand
there's
this
inflationary
factor
and
all
of
these
things.
But
do
you
have
a
good
idea
of
what
it
is
going
to
cost
to
get
broadband
to
every
tennessean.
H
H
So
that's
a
big
part
of
where
we
will
be
able
to
put
those
additional
dollars
that
we
weren't
expecting
to
see,
and
I
think
I
think
that
is
the
biggest
thing
is
that
we'll
be
able
to
spend
it
in
a
lot
of
different
areas.
H
D
H
Will
have
enough
money,
I
think
we're
actually
going
to
get
quite
a
bit
more
than
100
million
dollars
from
the
infrastructure
and
jobs
act.
There's
42
million
dollars
across
the
united
states.
Each
state
is
guaranteed
at
least
100
million
dollars
and
they're
going
to
use
a
formula
after
the
new
fcc
maps
come
out
to
tell
us
what
our
remainder
will
be,
but
I
think
we
could
see
up
to
a
billion
dollars
in
that
funding.
H
They
are
also
allowing
us
to
do
some
different
activities,
including
middle
mile
infrastructure,
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
with
our
state
funding
that
can
help
with
things
like
disaster
mitigation,
emergency
preparedness,
emergency
response-
we
will
be
doing
some
kind
of
a
requirement
of
that.
Funding
will
also
be
a
digital
equity
program
to
make
sure
that
the
broadband
access
across
the
state
is
fair
for
all
income
groups
and
all
racial
groups.
H
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
just
a
quick
question
and
I
know
we're
talking
about
some
relatively
large
numbers
here
on
a48
of
the
budget
book,
and
I
know
this
is
just
a
summary
of
the
language
of
the
budget
bill,
but
it
indicates
under
the
arp
funding
that
fsa
put
out
500
million.
We
keep,
I
keep
hearing
400
million,
but
is
it
400
or
is
it
500
that
fseg
actually
put
out
there
yeah.
H
You're
right
it
is
500
million,
it
is
400
million
dollars
for
infrastructure
and
those
are
the
applications
that
are
open
now
and
then
it
is
a
hundred
million
dollars
for
broadband
adoption
and
digital
literacy
activities,
and
we
haven't
rolled
that
funding
out.
We
will
be
getting
some
more
information
out
this
summer
about
that
additional
100
million.
C
Peter
lambert,
family
chairman
and
then
what
you're
saying
is
that
on
top
of
that,
there's
anywhere
from
100
million
to
a
billion
dollars
that
will
be
coming
from
federal
funds
and
that
we
have
a
hundred
million
plus
that
are
that's
literally
sitting
in
in
fiscal
year,
22's
budget.
That
has
been
unutilized
completely
at
this
point,
because,
obviously,
when
we
passed
that,
as
the
commissioner
said,
we
were
leading
the
way
here
and
had
no
idea
that
federal
funds
would
be
coming,
especially
to
the
tune
of
10
times
what
we
had
invested
there.
Is
that
accurate?
Yes,.
H
C
H
C
26
million
in
the
recurring
funding
for
the
proposed
budget
has
been
designated
for
the
rural
development
fund
for
grants.
Hopefully
this
will
make
our
rural
communities
more
competitive
and
maybe
bring
in
some
some
new
businesses.
Out
of
that,
26
million
14
million
was
carried
over
from
fy22.
D
So
that's
really
the
large
large
part
of
that
26
million.
A
million
goes
to
our
main
street
entrepreneur,
grants
placemaker
program,
2
million
for
our
tennessee
downtown
commercial
facade,
grant
program,
a
million
for
our
asset
enhancement,
grants
for
distressed
counties
and
then
there's
2
million
for
our
tourism
assistant
assistance
grants
program.
D
So,
as
I
said
at
the
outset,
the
real
driver
and
the
the
one
that
can
demonstrate
really
strong
roi
is
that
grant
program
for
site
development.
These
other
programs
are
good
programs
and
they
go
to
the
communities
that
aren't
likely
in
line
because
of
where
they're
geographically
located
to
land
a
big
project.
So
these
are
other
ways
to
help
our
rural
communities.
D
So
that's
part
of
this
whole.
The
the
this.
What
we
call
rio
rural
economic
opportunity
program,
and
so
when
covet
arrived,
that
program
was
down
to
zero.
So
we
just
basically
defund-
is
not
the
right
word,
but
just
did
not
fund
that
year
because
of
the.
I
think
there
was
a
billion
dollars
of
of
of
ways
to
save
money,
and
so
what
you're?
Talking
about
the
14
million
paul
is
that
where's,
the
14
million
is
part
of
this
conversation,
sir
and
unfunded.
C
I
think
that
14
million
you're,
referring
to
was
the
carry
forward
for
that
program
and
again
much
like
I
spoke
about
the
fast
track
program.
These
are
funds
that
were
committed
to
grants
like
over
10
million
of
that
was
grants
related
for
these
site
development
programs
that
had
already
been
issued,
but
we
still
owed
the
balance
of
those
grants
and
most
of
the
rest
of
that
money
was
for
various
other
programs
that
were
funded
there,
that
we
had
contracted
out
that
we
still
owe
the
balances
of
contracts
on
that.
D
We
will
make
a
grant
and
we'll
make
it
today,
but
the
dollars
may
not
be
drawn
down,
but
over
the
next
couple
of
years
and
again
call
it
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
It's
not
like
once
the
these
are
reimbursable.
All
of
these
are
reimbursable,
which
means
the
community
has
to
go.
First,
the
community
has
to
demonstrate
receipts,
and
then
we
reimburse
that's
how
our
grant
programs
so
there's
always
going
to
be
this
lag
and
a
lot
of
those
dollars
that
were
asked
about
earlier
again.
D
B
Thank
you
manager
and
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Commissioner,
can
you
speak
briefly
on
how
your
department
calculates
roi
and
I'll
stop
there?
Yes,.
D
Those
are
really
the
primary
drivers
and
then
what
happens
is
we
have
algorithms
that
aren't
designed
by?
But
these
are
these
are
these
are
products
that
we've
acquired
in
our
research
department,
and
so
you
take
those
inputs
and
you
see
how
the
jobs
you
created
over
what
period
of
time,
then
you
look
at
the
wages
per
job
and
then
you
look
at
the
ancillary
multiplier
so,
for
example,
in
oem
world,
for
every
direct
job
you
create,
you
create
what
we
call
ansi
players,
ancillary
support,
jobs,
and
so
those
are
those
are
algorithms
that
we
use.
D
I
can
just
simply
say
that,
typically,
we
also
track
what
is
the
imputed
revenue,
the
state's
going
to
receive
based
on
the
spending
of
goods
and
services?
So
I
can
get
really
in
the
weeds
here,
which
I
don't
think
would
bore
you
to
death.
The
short
answer
is
it's
a
very
concrete
roi
and
we
use
it
on
every
project
to
make
sure
that
these
taxpayer
dollars
have
a
demonstrated
roi.
That's
healthy.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
well,
and,
and
the
reason
I
asked
that
is,
I
was
always
a
little
confused
because
I
you
know
when
I
look
at
roi.
I've
always
thought
of
the
net
in
income
versus
the
investment
ratio
and
the
payback,
and
sometimes
when
I
see
an
roi
listed
on
some
projects,
I'm
troubled,
for
instance
blue
opal,
nearly
a
billion
dollars
invested.
B
You
know
when
I
look
at
a
investment
in
building
wealth.
I
usually
run
that
against,
like
a
5
compound
annually
and
run
it
out
10
years
and
then
have
a
number
10
years
down
the
road.
That's
how
I
kind
of
usually
calculate
roi,
and
sometimes
when
I
see
some
of
the
numbers
that
the
state
generates
they're.
I
just
had
questions.
That's
all
that's
all
I'll
say
so.
D
Representative
vogels
I'll
say
this:
blue
oval
is
a
different
world
just
because
the
gdp
we
think
will
generate
about
three
and
a
half
billion
dollars
a
year
on
an
annual
basis.
So
when
you
look
at
three
and
a
half
billion
a
year
of
we'll
call
gdp
goods
and
services,
and
then
you
look
at
the
goods
and
services
and
they're
going
to
be
those
consumers
are
spending,
and
then
the
state
gets
seven
percent
tax
on
the
sales,
tax,
etc.
And
so
it's
it's
a
bit
complicated,
but
you're
right
that
one
is
an
outlier.
Sir.
D
A
B
Home,
okay,
briefly,
good
morning,
commissioner
sam,
I
appreciate
you
being
here.
This
has
to
do
with
historic
development
grant
program.
Last
year,
nearly
5
million
was
allocated
for
this
program
this
year,
10
million
non-reoccurring.
Could
you
briefly
tell
us
the
application
process?
The
history
of.
F
D
Yes,
sir,
I'm
going
to
have
brooksy,
but
let
me
just
comment
again
at
30
000
feet
to
paint
the
picture,
sir.
So
this
is
a
program
that
actually
the
general
assembly
created,
it
just
resides
in
our
department.
We
didn't
go
on
offense
to
look
for
another
program,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
this
is
a
program
that
was
developed
and
resides.
D
We
do
have
a
very
thorough
process
to
vet
the
projects.
I
think
this
was
the
general
assembly's
attempt
to
recognize
in
our
more
rural
communities
the
crumbling
of
some
of
these
great
historic
structures
in
these
local
communities.
So
that's
at
thirty
thousand
feet
what
the
program
tries
to
accomplish
the
great
news.
In
the
first
year
we
were
way
over
subscribed
and
then
we
have
a
vetting
process.
D
H
Sir,
we
had
about
4.8
million
dollars
available
to
award
in
that
program.
We
have
about
4
million
of
that
under
contract.
We
have
some
other
contracts
that
we're
still
working
on
getting.
We
have
about
29
projects
that
will
take
up
that
4.8
million
dollars.
We
got
in
59
60
projects,
applications
requesting
more
than
10
million
dollars,
and
I
will
say
that
last
year
we
did
absolutely
no
project
development
with
that.
That
was
just
the
projects
that
people
knew.
This
funding
was
available
and
they
reached
out
to
us
and
they
submitted
applications.
H
We
did
that
first
round
of
grant
applications
on
first
come
first
serve
basis.
So
if
we
got
in
a
complete
application
that
qualified
for
the
funding
we
were
able
to
fund
it,
but
we
do
still
have
a
lot
of
applications
that
are
interested
in
resubmitting
this
year.
If
we
have
additional
funding
available-
and
we
will
probably
do
a
scoring
process
this
year
for
this
funding,
we
did
set
aside
a
million
dollars
last
year
for
tier
three
and
tier
four
counties,
and
we
were
able
to
do
a
million
dollars
in
those
counties.
D
Okay,
thank
you
ma'am.
It
represented
one
other,
just
observation,
so
this
was
you
know.
Originally
there
was
a
plan
to
create
kind
of
a
historic
tax
credits
in
perpetuity,
and
I
think
fna
said
we
don't
think
that's
good
business
and
so
we're
going
to
just
create
a
grant
program
and
then
that's
perhaps
was
presented
to
the
general
assembly.
H
A
Thank
you.
Thanks
to
all
my
friends
from
ecd,
it's
always
good
to
see
you
here
and
enjoyed
working
with
you
in
the
past,
and
we
enjoy
working
with
you
in
this
new
capacity.
We
thank
you
for
the
the
good
work
that
has
been
done
to
keep
our
state
at
the
forefront.
Even
in
you
know,
tough
coveted
times.
Tennessee
is
still
doing
well,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
due
to
the
work
that
the
folks
you
and
your
department
do.
A
So
we
appreciate
you
being
here
and
I
apologize
for
keeping
you
late,
and
I
apologize
to
commissioner
branston
for
making
her
wait,
but
we
are
going
to
let
our
ecd
folks
go
back
to
work.
Do
some
productive
things
for
the
state.
You
can
bring
us
a
new
job
announcement
this
afternoon.
That'd
be
great,
and
we're
going
to
ask
commissioner
brianscom
and
her
team
to
come
forward.
Thank.
D
A
A
Commissioner,
thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
Again,
I
apologize,
there's,
obviously
a
lot
of
interest
in
all
the
things
that
ecd
touches
and
the
impact
that
that's
going
to
have
on
our
state,
just
as
we're
very
interested
in
the
things
that
you
all
are
doing
to
support
that
and
other
just
to
support
in
general
state
operations.
M
Now
now
we're
live
yeah
good
morning.
Commissioner.
Excuse
me
good
morning,
chair
hazelwood
and
committee
members,
I'm
christy
branskin,
commissioner
of
the
department
of
general
services,
assisting
me
today,
our
deputy
commissioner
and
director
of
state
of
tennessee
real
estate
asset
management
group,
john
hall,
our
director
of
our
office
of
financial
management,
mr
michael
winston's,
to
my
immediate
left
and
then
on.
My
far
left
is
assistant
commissioner,
bob
williams,
who
is
our
manager
and
director
for
our
vehicle
and
asset
management
division.
M
Also
in
the
audience,
are
members
of
my
executive
leadership
team
who
can
provide
any
additional
information
that
we
may
need.
Our
department
works
daily
to
support
our
sister
agencies
in
state
government.
We
want
to
make
it
easier
for
them
to
deliver
their
programs
and
services
directly
to
the
people
of
tennessee.
M
The
bulk
of
our
work
involves
the
activities
of
our
four
external
service
divisions,
which
exist
primarily
to
serve
the
agencies
of
state
government,
we'll
first
start
with
our
central
procurement
office,
which
is
responsible
for
the
centralized
procurement
and
contracting
for
services
and
goods
by
the
state
departments
and
agencies.
The
office
focuses
on
producing
cost
savings
while
ensuring
transparency
and
accountability
in
the
contracting
and
procurement
process.
M
We
have
our
governor's
office
of
diversity,
business
enterprise
also
as
a
part
of
this
office,
and
it
works
to
assist
small
businesses
and
businesses
owned
by
minorities.
Women
and
veteran-owned
companies
and
businesses.
Excuse
me,
but
it
really
is
an
important
part
of
our
outreach
to
tennessee-owned
businesses.
M
M
We
are
very
proud
that
our
state
spent
766
million
dollars
with
small
businesses,
businesses
owned
by
women,
minorities
and
veterans,
and
this
present
represents
a
forty
four
and
a
half
percent
increase.
Since
governor
lee
in
this
administration
was
sworn
in
actually,
so,
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
the
last
three
years.
It
also
represents
237
million
dollars
more
more
state
dollars
being
spent
with
these
businesses.
M
Our
state
of
tennessee,
real
estate,
asset
management,
division
or
stream
operates,
manages
and
maintains
general
government
real
estate
assets
stream
is
responsible
for
ensuring
a
comfortable,
safe
and
secure
working
environment
for
state
agencies
and
the
public.
The
work
includes
asset
management,
operational
administration,
capital,
improvement
and
maintenance
projects,
brokerage
property
acquisition
and
disposition,
of
course,
and
maintenance
and
fire
and
life
safety
programs.
M
Our
document
solutions
division
is
provides
a
wide
variety
of
printing
graphics
scanning
photo
photographic
and
videography
services
for
all
branches
of
state
government.
The
division
also
operates
the
warehousing
management
service
that
supply
state
agencies
with
bulk
products.
We
deliver
incoming
mail
state,
messenger
mail,
we
have
high-speed
inserting
services
and
outgoing
mail.
We
have
a
smaller
internal
services
that
help
as
well
in
in
our
department.
We
have
administrative
offices,
financial
management
offices,
administrative
communications
strategy,
internal
audit
and
legal
affairs,
all
supporting
our
four
external
service
divisions.
M
M
M
The
first
one
you
see
on
this
list
is
a
recurring
request
for
an
increase
of
11
additional
staff
members
for
our
real
estate
group
or
stream
in
our
later
slides
you're,
going
to
see
in
detail
about
the
number
of
projects
in
this
historic
capital
project.
Excuse
me,
budget,
that's
being
proposed
and
why
it's
necessary
for
us
to
increase
our
staff.
M
Second,
we
are
requesting
10
million
dollars
to
our
fleet
replacement
budget
for
our
oldest
and
most
expensive
to
maintain
vehicles
and
equipment
and
assistant.
Commissioner
williams
is
going
to
be
addressing
that
request
here
in
a
moment,
and
the
third
item
on
the
list
is
funding
being
proposed
for
the
fy
23
budget
for
the
operation
of
the
mega
site
authority
of
west
tennessee
mega
site
authority.
Ceo
clay
bright
could
not
be
here
today,
but
john
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
may
came
up
came
up
regarding
the
authority.
M
The
two
remaining
items
are
non-recurring
fund,
requests
for
tennessee
serves
and
an
increase
to
the
governor's
early
literacy
foundation,
and
those
two
are,
as
I
said,
administratively
attached
to
the
department
of
general
services.
M
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
talk
about
our
supplemental
request.
This
slide
identifies
two
items
for
supplemental
funding:
requests
for
the
fiscal
year
2022
and
both
are
for
organizations
administratively
attached
to
our
department.
The
first
is
for
the
governor's
early
literacy
foundation
and
the
second
is
for
the
mega
site
authority.
K
A
And
if
you
would
just
for
the
record,
I'm
sorry.
But
if
you
would
just
state
your
name
in
your
position.
Pardon.
K
K
Our
request
for
a
recurring
equipment
increase
would
allow
us
to
reduce
the
risk
and
long-term
costs
associated
without
outdated
equipment
due
to
the
rising
cost
of
new
vehicles.
I
think
everyone
has
seen
and
equipment
this
existing
budget
for
fleet
replacement
that
we
have
now
just
doesn't
allow
us
to
replace
as
many
as
we
need
to.
K
As
a
result,
our
fleet
is
continuing
to
age,
which
ultimately
leads
to
an
increase
in
the
state's
cost
for
maintenance
and
repairs.
The
increase
in
cost
is
a
result
of
the
enhanced
maintenance
required
to
ensure
the
functionality
of
our
fleet,
as
well
as
the
inflation
of
these
costs
associated
while
maintaining
the
vehicles
bottom
line.
Is
it
just
gets
more
and
more
expensive
to
maintain
an
older
fleet,
and
this
is
happening
as
the
cost
of
new
vehicles
and
equipment
continues
to
rise.
K
Currently,
vam's
budget
for
assets
is
20
million
for
vehicle
and
equipment
replacement,
replacements,
which
includes
everything
from
the
smallest
automobile
to
passenger
vans
to
bulldozers
based
upon
the
number
of
vehicle
assets
in
use
which
totaled
about
145
million
in
original
acquisition
cost
and
the
fact
that
our
usage
is
over
90
million
miles
a
year
in
our
fleet.
20
million
just
won't
allow
us
to
replace
the
assets
that
occur
at
a
sufficient
pace.
K
K
We
will
use
the
funds
diligently
as
we
always
do
and
determine
replacement
items
based
upon
the
extent
the
equipment
has
been
used,
not
simply
their
age,
since
fuel
is
one
of
our
largest
expenses.
Replacing
old
vehicles
with
newer
ones
that
get
higher
miles
per
gallon
will
have
an
immediate
effect
on
our
monthly
expense.
K
This
replacement
need
concept
also
applies
to
our
equipment,
which
we
use,
such
as
bulldozers,
tractors
and
forklifts.
A
large
amount
of
equipment
we
own
is
heavy
duty
equipment
that
has
been
in
service
for
at
least
10
years.
During
that
passage
of
time,
the
cost
to
replace
this
type
of
equipment
has
grown
significantly.
K
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide
slide.
Five.
I'd
also
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
highlight
some
of
the
valuable
work
on
our
surplus
property
division.
We've
got
a
really
good
team,
a
great
team,
that's
charged
with
selling
items
that
are
no
longer
needed
by
state
agencies.
K
They
assist
local
governments
and
qualified
non-profits
first
then
offer
those
items
to
the
public.
This
ensures
the
taxpayers.
Investment
continues
to
help
local
communities,
while
also
returning
money
to
the
state's
coffers.
Since
the
federal
government
disposes
of
its
surplus
property
through
the
states,
we
are
the
entity
that
oversees
that
coordination.
K
K
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
bob
okay.
So,
let's
turn
to
capital
outlay.
We
met
with
this
committee
earlier
this
month
and
reviewed
a
lot
of
these
projects,
but
we're
going
to
review
them
again
today
and
please,
if
you
have
any
questions,
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
those
as
follow-ups,
but
this
is
our
capital
outlay
budget
for
the
fy
23
calendar
year.
We
are
proposing
a
capital
outlay
program,
totaling
over
1.7
billion
dollars.
M
As
you
look
at
the
this
slide,
you
can
see
the
funding
is
represented
by
the
bars,
so
that
shows
that
the
the
funding
that
we
have
invested
in
capital
improvement
and
maintenance
projects,
the
number
of
projects
is
represented
by
the
lines
on
this
slide.
As
you
can
see,
funding
for
the
fy
23
capital
improvement
and
capital
maintenance
projects
is
proposed
to
be
significantly
higher
than
prior
years.
M
This
capital
outlay
program
consists
of
45
capital
improvement
projects
totaling
over
1.46
billion
dollars
and
78
capital
maintenance
projects,
totaling
285
million.
The
greater
number
of
capital
maintenance
projects
represents
our
continued
strategy
to
invest
in
those
projects
that
are
critical,
to
keep
our
buildings
properly
maintained,
to
provide
a
safe
working
environment
and
to
extend
the
useful
life
of
our
state-owned
properties.
M
These
investments
also
reduce
the
accumulation
of
the
deferred
maintenance
liability.
You
may
recall
that
we
did
a
facility
condition
assessment
in
2020
and
we
presented
to
you
last
year
that
our
total
deferred
maintenance
liability
was
approximately
2.5
million
dollars.
So
that's
a
big
number.
It's
a
number.
We
talked
about
a
lot
last
year,
but
that's
why
investing
in
maintenance
and
capital
maintenance
projects
continues
to
be
a
priority
for
us
and
it's
just
one
more
way
that
we
have
to
attack
this
deferred
maintenance
liability.
N
N
How's
that
that's
better
all
right,
as
commissioner
branstam
noted,
we
do
have
123
capital
improvement
or
capital
maintenance
and
improvement
projects
in
the
fy
23
budget,
because
there
are
so
many.
It
will
obviously
take
us
some
time
to
get
these
through
the
system,
as
we
need
to
hire
architects
and
contractors
to
get
the
work
done
for
the
state.
So
on
this
slide,
though,
we'd
like
to
highlight
some
of
the
capital
improvement
and
maintenance
projects
that
I'll
show
you
in
pictures
in
the
following
slides
the
first
one
is
obviously
molida.
N
So
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
other
hearing
or
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
it
is
our
highest
priority
project.
It
is
the
multi-agency
law
enforcement
training,
academy
or
melita,
as
we
call
it.
There
are
five
locations
that
would
be
replaced
by
the
melita
campus
when
it
com
when
it
is
completed
in
late
2026.
N
These
locations
are
the
training
and
support
facilities
for
the
departments
of
correction
safety
and
homeland
security
and
commerce
and
insurance.
Many
of
these
buildings
are
already
past
their
useful
lives
or
certainly
have
significant
needs
for
maintenance
and
repairs.
That
would
lead
us
to
recommend
replacements.
N
This
slide
gives
you
a
an
overview
of
the
campus
itself
that
we
would
like
to
proceed
forward
with,
so
the
training
academy
will
be
constructed
on
approximately
800
acres
and
is
located
between
the
river
bend.
Maximum
security
prison,
the
lowest
special
needs
facility
and
the
john
c
tune
airport,
and
we
refer
to
this
area
simply
as
cockrell
bend.
Our
specific
work
on
this
project
will
include
the
construction
of
two
headquarters:
buildings
for
the
departments
of
correction
and
safety
and
homeland
security.
There
will
be
training
and
residential
buildings
that
will
have
classrooms
and
dormitory
style
accommodations.
N
There
will
be
a
dining
hall,
an
indoor
and
outdoor
firing
range.
There
will
be
an
emergency
vehicle
operations
course
or
evoc
track.
There
will
be
service
and
warehouse
centers,
a
helipad,
a
shoot
house
for
various
training
scenarios.
There
will
be
a
skid,
a
driving,
skid
track
and
underwater
rescue
training
area,
so
we
received
23
million
dollars
a
year
ago
to
fund
a
design
for
this
campus
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
designing
the
infrastructure
at
this
point
and
we'll
be
getting
several
other
designers
under
contract
for
the
various
components
of
the
campus.
N
N
N
That's
currently
in
the
war
memorial
building,
a
brand
new
visitor
center
and
theater
and
conference
rooms
and
offices
that
would
be
available
for
state
agencies
or
other
groups
that
come
to
capitol
hill
on
a
daily
basis.
So
we
believe
the
war
memorial
plaza
should
be
renovated
and
provide
more
of
a
park-like
environment
and
those
old
fountains
out
there
that
don't
work
at
this
point
would
be
replaced
with
a
new
water
feature
on
the
plaza
itself.
N
So,
additionally,
the
project
would
include
repairs
to
the
motlow
tunnel,
which
are
definitely
needed
and
have
been
talked
about
for
many
years,
and
the
legislative
plaza
parking
garage.
There's
some
repairs
there
that
need
as
well.
We
also
envision
opening
up
an
area-
the
walkway,
that's
from
seventh
avenue
side
of
the
war
memorial
building,
to
make
it
easier
to
access
the
plaza
itself,
and
certainly
all
of
the
statues
and
the
monuments
will
be
preserved
and
maintained
on
the
plaza.
N
N
So
there
are
four
more
in
this
budget
that
we're
asking
the
72
million
dollars
to
replace
the
old
buildings
as
you'll
see
on
this
slide,
the
one
in
cookeville,
chattanooga,
memphis
and
fall
branch
and
they'll
all
look
similar
to
the
one
that
you'll
see
on
this
slide,
that's
in
the
in
the
knoxville
area.
So
certainly
all
of
these
facilities
will
accommodate
the
current
operational
needs
for
thp
and
provide
space
necessary
for
the
troopers
and
and
their
staff,
and
since
most
of
these
buildings
are
60
years
or
plus
old.
N
This
next
slide.
I
know
you've
seen
this
before.
So
this
is
just
a
large
graph.
It
won't
go
into
detail,
but
this
is
about
our
project
tetris.
So
tetris
is
something
it's
a
name
we
invented.
Oh
gosh,
it's
almost
a
couple
of
years
ago
now.
So,
as
many
of
you
know,
we've
been
into
alternative
workplace
solutions
or
aws
initiative,
but
when
covid
came
along,
it
really
kind
of
kicked
it
into
high
gear.
So
in
may
of
2020
we
started
to
get
calls
from
state
agencies.
N
At
that
point
saying
they
just
don't
need
all
the
office
space,
and
that
was
here
in
davidson
county
and
in
metro
center.
So
in
order
to
reduce
the
office
space,
we
formed
a
project
and
we
called
it
project
tetris
to
do
so,
and
because
of
that,
we
think
we're
going
to
save
upwards
of
a
million
square
feet
just
here
in
davidson
county
and
between
again
between
downtown
nashville,
the
owned
buildings
and
certainly
all
of
those
leases.
N
The
next
slide.
We
just
want
to
show
you
two
capital
projects
that
we
have
for
maintenance.
So
this
one
is
the
porter
lab
out
on
the
ellington
agricultural
campus.
So
it's
a
building
a
little
over
40
years
old,
so
the
mechanical
systems,
frankly
in
this
building,
need
to
be
replaced.
So
again,
many
of
those
things
are
beyond
their
useful
lives.
So
we're
going
to
put
in
a
new
chiller
cooling
tower
air
handlers,
building
control
systems,
things
like
that
which
is
definitely
needed
in
this
particular
building
and
then
the
last
slide
we
have
for
you.
N
We
just
want
to
show
you.
We
do
have
a
state
capital
window
and
repair
roof
repair
project.
So
you'll
see
in
these
pictures
where
the
wood
seals
of
many
of
the
windows
have
rotted
the
sealant
and
the
paint
has
failed,
so
each
window
will
be
thoroughly
inspected
and
individual
elements
repaired
or
replaced
as
necessary,
since
there
are
over
195
windows
in
the
capital
that
need
repairs
and
restoration,
and
they
are
historical.
N
The
work
will
take
time,
and
so
we
are
planning
to
do
that
around
legislative
session.
We
obviously
don't
want
to
interfere
with
any
of
the
work
of
the
general
assembly,
because
we
do
have
to
section
off
spaces
to
do
that.
Work
around
those
windows.
In
addition,
the
copper
roof.
That's
on
the
capitol,
is
in
good
condition.
However,
there
are
some
areas
that
we
do
need
to
seal
and
repair
and
that's
part
of
this
project
as
well
turn
it
back
over
to
commissioner
branston.
Well,.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
There's
a
lot
to
digest
here
and
I
know
again
you
all
just
hit
the
highlights
in
terms
of
the
capital
projects,
but
before
I
get
to
the
other
questions
on
the
list,
we
could
talk
about
the
molita
project
for
a
moment.
Just
a
couple
of
questions-
and
I
know
I
recognize
we're
pretty
far
down
this
road
and
that
dollars
have
been
spent
for
planning
and
whatever,
but
with
the
just
the
continuing
escalation
cost
of
property
in
davidson
county
in
nashville.
N
N
Well,
we've
gotten
many
calls.
We
just
don't
think
it
should
be
attractive,
actually
to
put
a
commercial
business
next
to
the
maximum
security
prison.
So
for
all
these
years,
that's
why
it
hasn't
been
sold
and
obviously
the
state
has
gotten
many
calls
over
time
to
do
that
now,
but
we
have
looked
at
you
know,
maybe
we
don't
put
it
there,
let's
go
somewhere
else.
N
So
if
we
do
go
somewhere
else,
we
do
need
to
buy
800
acres
of
roughly
of
property
and
probably
just
like
we
have
at
the
mega
site
at
this
point
once
you
get
into
that
kind
of
an
acreage,
there
isn't
infrastructure
there,
so
you
have
to
put
in
water
and
waste
water
and
all
of
those
things.
N
So
in
the
end,
it's
actually
more
expensive
to
us
to
go
somewhere
else
to
purchase
the
land
and
put
in
all
the
infrastructure,
whereas
the
molita
campus
here
in
town,
it's
actually
less
expensive
because
we
do
have
hookups.
There
is
electric
there
because
there's
a
prison
there,
there's
water,
there's
wastewater,
hookups,
those
sorts
of
things
we
do
have
to
run
the
pipes
on
the
campus
to
the
individual
buildings,
but
we
have
looked
at
that.
It's
just
quite
this
north
of
100
million
dollars
more.
If
we
go
outside
of
where
we
already
own.
M
The
other
neighbor,
I
would
add
to
is
the
john
c
tune
airport,
which
they
we've
spoken
with
them,
and
they're
very
happy
that
we
will
be
having
our
multi-agency
law
enforcement
training
academy.
Next
to
them.
They
were
very
concerned
about
what
was
going
to
be
developed
on
that
property.
A
N
Yes
and
we've,
we've
specifically
asked
that
question
of
those
agencies
you
know:
do
they
have
a
problem
with
that
and
they
do
not.
This
is,
will
be
obviously
a
highly
secure
facility,
so
we
like
it
that
this
river
surrounds
it.
We
like
it
is
where
it
is
at
at
this
point
if
we
went
out
somewhere
else
and
purchase
property
where
there's
just
lots
of
access
to
it,
maybe
so
not
in
this
case
there
are
only
a
couple
of
ways
in
and
out
and
because
we
can
section
that
off
and
secure
it.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
appreciate
you
all
being
here
today.
This
is
the
first
topic
is
on
the
mega
site
and
in
your
budget
I
know,
there's
an
additional
13.4
million
dollars.
That's
allotted
for
t
deck,
to
establish
necessary
infrastructure
and
environmental
readiness
to
begin
construction
at
the
mega
site,
and
I
think,
if
I'm
reading
it
correctly,
it's
about
4
million
recurring
and
9.4
million
non-recurring.
M
G
Well,
it's
in
your
budget,
but
under
a
tdec
category
looks
like
for.
G
M
So,
where
we
are
currently,
we,
our
department
is
responsible
for
two
state
building.
Commission
approved
capital
projects.
One
is
of
course,
the
installation
of
the
pipeline
to
the
mississippi
river,
as
you
guys
may
recall,
36
and
a
half
miles
from
the
site
to
the
river
and
then
also
the
pumping
station
in
covington,
and
so
that
would
be
the
first
contract
that
has
been
awarded
and
garney
construction
was
awarded
that
contract
and
garney
is
finishing
up
getting
its
t-deck
permits
in
place,
but
they're
ready
to
roll.
M
M
The
second
capital
project
is
for
the
balance
of
all
the
other
infrastructure,
and
that
includes
the
north
water
tower.
The
two-week
lagoon,
of
course,
the
water
and
wastewater
treatment
facilities,
which
are
very
substantial
and
then
seven
wells
that
we're
building
on
site
and
brassfield
gory
has
been
approved
as
a
contractor
on
that
particular
piece
of
work,
and
we
expect
them
to
start
sometime
early
april
and
their
timeline's
a
little
bit
longer,
because
that
scope
of
work
is
larger.
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Any
challenges
that
y'all
have
faced
in
the
early
stages
of
development
on
this
project.
M
Well,
I
think
it's
it's
always
challenging
when
you
have
a
lot
of
parties
involved
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
parties.
We
have
a
lot
of
internal
stakeholders
on
the
infrastructure
tdec.
As
you
mentioned,
tdot
us.
We
also
have
labor
and
workforce
development.
That
is
very
involved
with
the
tcat
that's
being
built
along
with
chancellor
tidings,
but
we
have
workforce
task
force
meetings
every
other
week
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
communicating
internally
and
then
john
and
I
both
have
weekly
meetings.
M
One
we
have
is
with
the
contractor
for
ford
and
then
the
second
one
is
with
our
internal
consultants
in
our
internal
parties
that
we
work
with.
For
example,
if
we're
working
on
t
deck
permitting
one
week
we'll
have
t
deck
at
the
meeting.
If
we're
working
on
roadways,
then
we'll
have
tdot
there.
So
we
really
haven't
had
any
major
issues.
Any
roadblocks
everything's
gone
pretty
smoothly,
we're
just
continuing
to
push
these
projects
through
to
completion
as
quickly
as
possible
to
try
to
meet
the
deadlines
that
we
have
before
us.
G
Back
on
the
wastewater
you
mentioned
earlier,
I
know
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
pipeline
materials
bought
several
years
ago,
for
this
project
are
those
being
utilized
or
there's.
Is
there
a
credit
that
if
the
sizing
has
changed
of
the
piping
that
was
purchased,
can
you
just
give
me
a
quick
rundown
of
that
yeah.
M
All
that
piping
is
being
used.
So
that's
the
good
news
it
had
been
held
by
a
contractor
in
a
couple
of
different
locations.
One
was
in
texas
and
one
was
in
north
dakota,
I
believe,
and
they
held
it
and
and
maintained
it
there
and
it
was
kept
in
very
good
condition
and
we've
been
able.
We
are
planning
to
use
all
of
that
pipeline.
G
M
O
G
I
M
No,
I
don't
believe
so,
they're
they're!
Well,
I
guess
it
would
be.
Is
it
is
it
west
of
us
at
where
we're
in
and
that's
the
one
reason
this
property
didn't
make
such
sense?
It's
800,
acres
and
john,
and
I
had
talked
with
other
states
that
had
done
multi-agency
facilities
and
the
first
thing
they
all
told
us
is
make
sure
you
have
room
built
in
for
expansion,
and
so
this
800
acres
made
perfect
sense
for
that.
But
we
have
plenty
of
space
beyond
us
for
expansion
of
river
bend
or
john
de
berry.
I
Thank
you
just
seems
like
in
my
local
community
we're
having
to
expand
our
jail,
and
I
I
found
out
it's
there's
a
governmental
acronym
for
that
too,
and
it's
called
nimby,
not
in
my
backyard.
So
it's
really
hard,
but
if
we
already
have
the
facilities
in
place
to
expand
because
prisons
are
hard
to
find
a
location
for
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
did
that.
Yes,
the
second
question
has
to
do
with
legislative
plaza.
I
I've
heard
in
the
past,
I've
heard
that
there
was
a
push
or
a
desire
to
put
offices
over
there,
as
well
as
the
welcome
center
and
fixing
the
tunnel
and
some
additional
meeting
spaces.
Is
there
another
state
agency
that
you
expect
to
operate
out
of
the
war
memorial
or
legislative
plaza
space
where
some
of
us
used
to
operate
out
of
there.
M
We
don't
have
any
planned
offices,
necessarily
obviously
war
memorial,
the
ag's
office.
The
balance
of
the
ag's
office
is
moving
out
of
the
ubs
building
they're
in
a
lease
there
and
they
will
be
occupying
the
war
memorial
once
it's
renovated.
Legislative
plaza
is
has
gone
through
the
executive
committee,
the
master
planning
executive
committee.
We
looked
at
several
different
uses
and
flex
space
was
important,
but
we
also
want
to
create
that
visitor
center
a
theater.
M
We
also
want
to
provide
food
service
in
there,
but
there
are
going
to
be
some
larger
conference
spaces
because
our
conference
room
at
tennessee
tower
frankly
is
booked
all
the
time
and
we
need
the
overflow
space.
We
also
have
some
larger
departments
that
are
moving
into
the
tennessee
tower.
For
example,
tdot.
The
plan
is
for
them
to
move
in
there,
so
they
have
lots
of
meetings
and
in
hearings
as
well.
I
Was-
and
this
may
predate
you,
commissioner,
mr
hull
may
know
this,
but
was
there
any
when
the
attorney
general's
office
was
looking
at
additional
space?
They
obviously
were
looking
to
renovate
next
door
to
us,
but
that
were
was
there
any
discussion
of
them
ever
looking
at
the
chb?
For
that?
The
building
we're
in
currently.
I
N
All
no
so
you
know
we,
there
are
two
parts
to
the
attorney
general's
office.
One
is
john
severe.
We
just
finished
that
right.
I
N
I
Right
as
a
as
a
former
legislator,
it
makes
perfect
sense
for
me
for
the
legislative
body
to
be
in
the
legislative
building,
but
in
the
proximity
to
the
attorney
general's
office
of
this
building
and
its
cohabitation
with
other
forms
of
state
government
seems
like
it
makes
sense.
Did
you
all
ever
consider
that,
at
all.
N
We
just
didn't
quite
have
enough
space.
Frankly
to
do
that,
you
know
we
always
knew
that
we
needed
to
renovate
john
severe
and
keep
the
attorney
general.
I
N
And
staff
there,
but
we
always
thought
we
needed
what
is
that
long-term
group
to
come
back
to
the
war
memorial
building,
so
they
became
the
best
candidate
for
that
so
in
in
this
particular
building.
You
know
we
moved
the
comptroller
office
in
here,
so
they
they
just
fit
better
in
this
building
than
the
ag
did.
N
Well
part
of
the
reason
to
come
here
for
the
general
assembly.
Is
you
get
a
lot
more
space
right
frankly,
so
legislative
plaza
war
is
a
lot
smaller.
It's
almost
half
the
size
of
what
the
space
that
you
have
in
this
particular
building,
so
it
just
made
a
lot
of
sense
based
on
the
plans
that
we've
heard
for
the
general
assembly
to
fit
into
this
building.
Okay,.
I
We
know
with
all
the
renovations
around
the
capitol
grounds
in
the
last
several
years.
There's
always
the
the
rumor
is
is
that
one
of
our
legislative
friends
was
able
to
finally
move
james
james
k,
pog's
body
when
we
were
doing
the
steps,
but
how?
How
are
those
projects
going?
You
mentioned
earlier
about
17.3
million
dollars
that
we're
going
to
use
in
the
capital.
I
It
sounds
like
that's
completely
different
than
what
we
did
as
related
to
the
cupola,
the
other.
I
guess
it
was
two
years
ago,
and
so
do
you
foresee
and
finally,
do
you
see
foresee
any
other
improvements
that
we
need
to
make
at
the
capitol
building
or
grounds
in
the
coming
years?.
N
There's
always
something:
oh,
no,
on
the
capitol,
certainly
but
yeah.
So
first
of
all,
james
k,
polk
is
still
there.
It's
not
in
the
scope
of
work
to
move
james
k,
paul
that
project
itself.
As
we
talked
to
the
contractor,
we
think
we're
done
by
early
july
with
their
scope
of
work.
So
I
know,
as
you
all
walk
past
or
see,
you
know
why
is
it
not
going
so
much
faster,
so
we
talked
to
them
regularly
and
then
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
rain.
N
The
last
couple
of
months
it's
been
hard
to
get
the
jackson
gardens
completed
things
like
that,
so
this
is
a
great
week
for
us,
but
it's
early
july
for
that
to
happen
as
far
as
the
capital
goes,
we
constantly
monitor
that
so
this
year
you
know,
we've
got
the
windows
and
there
will
always
be
something
on
the
capitol
itself.
I
have
a
project.
I
really
want
us
to
look
at
to
actually
look
at
the
whole
capitol
hill
and
do
a
site
plan
for
the
hill.
N
A
M
Well,
they're
the
there's
800
acres,
that
is,
at
the
end
between
john
c
tune
and
the
prison
property.
The
correction
that's
held
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
tennessee
department
of
corrections.
That
is
where
melita
is
going,
and
we
still
have
plenty
of
room
to
expand
there.
We
could
expand
facilities
for
training.
We
could
expand
the
headquarters
buildings.
M
N
Yeah,
there's
a
total
1300
acres
out
there,
actually
that's
vacant
frankly,
so
we
do
have
room
to
expand
in
case
river
bend
needed
to
be
expanded
or
anything
else,
but
that's
really
what
makes
this
area
great
is.
If
you
looked
at
our
diagram,
there
is
room
between
the
buildings
because
we
know
in
decades
to
come.
We
probably
need
to
expand
that
that
campus,
so
it
makes
it
perfect
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
that.
N
N
N
B
D
P
M
M
It
was
something
that
had
always
been
a
part
of
how
the
state
worked
since
2015,
but
when
the
pandemic
hit,
of
course,
kind
of
put
that
whole
process
on
steroids
so
to
continue
to
move
that
process
forward.
You
know
when
we
started.
I
don't
know
how
many
agencies
were
involved,
not
as
many
now
they're
all
involved
with
aws,
including
constitutional
officers
departments
as
well.
So
we
are,
it
just
takes
more
money
and
more
time,
because
more
people
have
jumped
on
board
more
departments.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
for
bringing
your
team
today.
Another
question
about
the
melita
site,
the
five
properties
that
are
that
that's
replacing
is
there
money
being
budgeted
to
maintain
them
up
until
2026
and,
if
so,
how
much
and
then
the
next
question
is
the
partnership
with
the
fbi
on
the
gun
range.
Have
they
given
us
any
specifics
on
that?
Are
they
providing
funding?
Are
they
leasing,
so
show
us
the
money
on
that?
Maybe
if
there's
any
negotiation
with
that,
thank
you,
yeah.
M
So
I'll
start,
I'm
sure
john
can
finish
up
so
the
buildings
that
we'll
be
leaving
that
we
will
be
leaving.
Yes,
we
are
making
sure
that
we
have
sufficient
funding
to
help
them
continue
to
operate
in
their
current
locations
until
they
make
a
move
and
they'll
be
making
moves
at
different
times,
depending
on
what
gets
constructed
here
first,
so
we
we
have
made
accommodations
for
that
and
and
they
know
that
they
will
be
moving,
but
we
certainly
want
to
keep
them
up
and
operating
as
well
as
they
can
be
in
these
current
locations.
N
Yes,
sir,
we
do
have
monies
in
this
project
to
do
the
maintenance
for
the
current
current
buildings
because
they
are
old,
many
of
them
now
in
in
addition
to
that,
the
fbi.
So
the
fbi
has
come
to
us,
they
do
have
their
own
money
at
the
federal
level.
So
we're
not
spending
money
for
them,
so
they
would
actually
come
on
site
next
to
our
buildings
and
build
their
firing
range
themselves.
N
B
Yes,
ma'am
sure
is
that
operational
agreement
going
to
be
in
place
before
they
built
the
facility
I've
just
I've
have
a
little
experience
with
multi-agencies
using
something
and
those
operational
agreements
don't
always
come
to
fruition
as
planned,
and
just
for
seeing
some
problems
down
the
road.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
N
M
So
tpack
has
been
had.
I
had
to
see
the
table
with
john
and
I,
since
the
beginning
on
this,
we
have
included
them
and
all
the
conversations
they've
been
very
well
aware
of,
of
what
the
plan
is,
and
obviously
we
have
a
long
runway
for
this
whenever
it
does
happen,
so
they
we
talked
about
the
options.
The
options
are
that
they
could
be
part
of
a
redeveloped
project
once
that
property
is
ground,
leased
to
a
developer
for
redevelopment
and
they've
also
looked
at
their
options
for
going
elsewhere
and
rebuilding
tpac
somewhere
else.
M
So
we
are
trying
to
be
a
partner
with
them
and
helping
them
get
into
the
best
scenarios
possible
for
them
and
in
fact,
john
have
a
meeting
next
week
with
their
president
jennifer
turner
and
their
designated
board
members
who
are
involved
in
this
long
going
conversation
with
us
in
the
state,
but
we
intend
to
support
them
to
to
get
them
moved
to
the
proper
location
or
to
stay
in
a
redeveloped
project.
Obviously,
if
they
move,
the
good
news
is
that
they
can
continue
to
operate
until
their
new
place
is
available.
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
update
and
your
budget
has
two
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
maintenance
grants,
one
for
the
civil
rights
museum
and
one
for,
I
guess,
tpack
maintenance.
Can
you
give
us
an
update
on?
I
guess
how
that
money's
being
spent
and
what
the
projects
are
that
are
being
funded
with
that
grant
money.
M
Yes,
so
we
I'll
talk
about
the
national
civil
rights
museum,
we
they
came,
and
that
was
renewed
at
sbc,
probably
about
four
or
five
months
ago,
and
so
their
attendance
numbers
they
reported
to
the
state
building.
Commission
are
off
the
charts,
they've
really
done
extremely
well,
and
they
had
some
new
things
that
they
were
working
on
and
addressing
needs
and
they're
building
typical
kind
of
maintenance
needs.
John.
What
else
do
you
have
on
tpack.
N
B
Madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
the
answer
is.
We
have
a
number
of
different
operations
within
general
services.
We
have
different
divisions
that
are
doing
very
different
work,
as
commissioner
described
earlier,
and
so
a
number
of
those
vacancies
are
in
our
other
divisions.
They
may
be
in
our
printing
and
media.
Excuse
me
our
document
solutions,
division
that
handles
printing
and
postal
and
other
operations,
and
so
those
positions
are
for
you
know,
machine
operators
and
and
and
that
sort
of
work,
and
what
we
need,
of
course,
is
in
our
real
estate
asset
management
group.
B
We
need,
you
know,
experienced
professionals
to
manage
capital
projects
and
then
develop
those
projects.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
apples
and
oranges
to
move
one
position
to
the
other:
they're
not
funded
the
same
way
and
they're
just
doing
very
different
work,
and,
and
so
we're
working
through
that
we're
being
very
diligent
about
our
vacancies
and
approaching
those
our
document.
Solutions.
B
Division
has
gone
through
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
especially
because
of
the
pandemic,
and
so
we
are
actively
evaluating
those
positions
and
making
sure
that
they're
being
used
to
their
best
highest
use.
And
if
we
don't
need
them
anymore,
then
we
will,
you
know,
look
at
reclassifying
those
or
doing
away
with
them.
M
Stream
is
the
only
division
that
has
state
funding
and
we
did
have
to
give
up
five
positions.
I
think
it
was
last
year
to
get
to
our
target
reduction,
and
then
we
also
had
to
take
two
positions
and
reclassify
them
to
set
up
our
steps
program
and
that's
the
program
we
talked
about
at
our
last
hearing,
which
is
where
we're
trying
to
have
a
program
where
all
the
agencies
go
through
and
we
identify
excess
property
that
could
be
put
back
into
a
higher
and
better
use
with
the
private
sector.
N
A
Again,
I
think
we're
just
always
interested
in
making
sure
that
we're
not
holding
vacant
positions
any
in
any
part
of
the
operation
that
we
don't
really
need,
and
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
we're
reevaluating
those
and
making
sure
as
technology
changes
and
all
the
other
workforce
changes
that
we're
faced
with.
If
those
positions
recognizing
that
they're
not
apples
and
oranges
but
they're
still
dollars
that
are.
H
A
So
and
a
final
question,
maybe
not
next
to
final
question,
maybe
on
the
vehicle
replacement,
which
was
early
on
in
the
presentation,
are
we
looking
as
we're
replacing
those
vehicles?
Are
we
looking
particularly
on
the
passenger
plate?
Are
what
sort
of.
A
I
guess
recognition
looking
at
the
electric
vehicles
are:
are
we
investing?
Are
we
purchasing
electric
vehicles?
If
so,
what
are
we
having
to
do
in
order
to
make
sure
that
they
can
be
charged?
You
know
in
our
state
locations
as
well
as
obviously
the
whole
need
to
get
charging
sessions
distributed
throughout
the
state.
But
can
you
just
speak
to
how
if
we
are
looking
at
transitioning
our
fleet
to
more
electric
vehicles
and
what
that
progression
might
look
like.
K
Thank
you
thanks
for
the
question.
Yes,
the
short
answer
is
yes:
we've
been
looking
at
this
now
for
very
closely
for
three
years.
There's
a
lot
of
chatter
in
the
media,
a
lot
of
attention
on
it,
but
the
truth
is
when
it
comes
down
to
fleet,
which
is
usually
at
a
discounted
rate,
a
more
basic
vehicle.
K
There
there's
been
fewer
options
when
it
comes
to
trucks
or-
or
you
know,
mid-size
or
anything
like
that.
There's
been
the
economy
ev
the
little
small
vehicles,
so
we
have
done
some
of
those
we
we've
now
partnered
with
tdag
and
and
we've
ordered
some
of
the
new
f-150
lightnings
they're
supposed
to
be
here,
mid-summer
we're
going
through
a
whole
process
with
them
where
they
will
go
out
into
state
parks
and
all
that
it
it's
it's
a
dynamic.
That's
changing,
really
quick,
but
there's
a
lot
of
promises.
K
K
That
was
very
fortunate
because
previously,
just
four
months
earlier,
we
were
told
it'd
be
two
years
before
they
would
be
available,
and
so
they
changed
their
mind
within
two
months
and
gave
us
a
six-month
window.
So
we
acquired
what
we
could
with
that
our
budget
allowed.
So
it's
a
real
dynamic
situation,
we're
evaluating
it
continually,
but
it,
but
it
has
to
do
with.
Can
we
get?
It
is
the
pricing
structure
where
it
makes
sense
to
buy
it,
we're
not
just
going
ev
to
go
ev.
K
We
want
it
to
make
sense
for
the
the
user
and
for
the
cost
structure
and
the
application,
but
it
is
changing,
and
so
every
year
we
look
at
this
very
closely
and
and
constantly
stay
on
it
there's
a
lot
to
be
done,
but
but
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
data
built.
Yet
it's
just
not
there
and.
C
C
Thank
you
chairman,
madam
chairman,
just
wanted
to
finish
up
on
kind
of
a
high
note
here.
I
know
as
part
of
the
first
presentation
I
was
in
a
meeting
but
was
tuning
in
commissioner.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
project
tetris
and
with
the
master
plan
community,
everything
else
and
the
10
years.
I've
been
in
the
legislature
you're
the
first
commissioner
that
has
taken
a
full
statewide
look
at
what
our
property
is
that
the
state
owns.
C
I
mean
that's
the
people's
property,
what
we
lease,
what
we
own,
where
our
folks
are
and
do
we
need
those
properties,
so
I
mean
it
just
seems
like
before
you
got
here
so
much
of
it
was
just
patching,
broken
windows
and
moving
people
around
into
old
offices
that
were
just
kind
of
falling
into
disrepair
and
or
building
brand
new
buildings.
I
just
really
appreciate
the
holistic
look
at
what's
our
portfolio
and
you
know,
do
we
need
all
of
it
and
do
we
need
more
in
certain
areas.
C
So
thank
you
for
doing
that
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
more
like
what
we're
doing
now-
and
I
know
the
master
planning
committee
is
working
on-
that
I
mean
really
from
getting
things
kind
of
decentralized,
sometimes
from
our
urban
areas
as
well
and
more
out
into
some
of
the
rural
and
suburban
areas,
because
I
mean
some
of
those
make
sense,
and
I
just
don't
know
that
we've
had
some
of
those
conversations
in
the
past.
C
M
B
Chairman
todd,
thank
you
for
your
question.
Earlier.
I
was
able
to
locate
the
the
appropriation
you
were
asking
about.
It
is
in
the
department
of
environment
and
conservation's
budget.
It
is,
it
does
reference
the
mega
site,
so
I'm
guessing
it's
some
kind
of
operational
impact
to
service
the
needs
of
the
mega
site.
So
I'm
sure,
if
you
reach
out
to
department
they'll,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
that
funding.
Thank
you.
A
Again,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
for
being
patient
as
we
we're
delayed
in
getting
to
you.
We
really
do
appreciate
the
work.
That's
been
done,
as
leader
lambert
has
said,
I
think
we're
getting
the
state
of
tennessee's
property
on
a
more
business-like
basis
and
that's
thanks
to
and
as
a
result
of
the
work
that
that
you
all
have
been
doing
with
a
lot
of
input
from
a
lot
of
folks.
But
again
we
appreciate
the
work
that
general
services
does.
We
appreciate.
A
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
nobody's
said
anything
to
me
in
at
least
a
couple
of
years
about
not
having
soap
in
the
bathroom
and
some
other
issues
like
that.
So
from
the
the
mundane
to
the
sublime,
you
guys
take
care
of
us,
so
we
do
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
we're
going
to
ask
that
the
department
of
transportation
come
forward
and
we'll
move
right
on
into
our
presentation
from
them.
A
Thanks
for
joining
us
and
again,
we
apologize
we're
running
a
little
bit
late
today
that
the
trains
sometimes
run
on
time,
but
not
on
mondays
and
budget
hearings,
necessarily
particularly
when
we
have
a
lot
of
departments
with
a
very
large
budgets
and
a
lot
of
interest
from
the
committees.
But
without
further
ado,
we'll
ask
you
to
go
through
your
presentation
and
then
we
will
proceed
with
any
questions
very.
O
O
So
I
guess
we'll
go
to
the
first
thought.
So
we
want
to
talk
about
our
cost
increases
really
quick
for
everyone
on
the
cost
increase
side,
so
the
first
six
and
a
half
million
for
the
transportation
equity
fund
for
air
that
is
made
up
of
two
things:
one
5.5
million.
O
The
first
item
for
77
million
for
economic
development
projects-
that's
essentially
for
three
for
smith
and
wesson,
for
eastman
chemical
and
for
oracle.
Here
in
nashville,
we
normally
do
state
industrial
access
projects.
These
are
much
bigger
in
scope.
Therefore,
the
need
for
that
money.
The
partnership
program,
is
actually
very
easy
to
understand.
Many
municipalities
and
and
communities
all
across
the
state
have
come
to
us
offering
up
to
20
percent
match
on
different
projects,
and
then
these
are
the
projects
that
the
government
shows
as
far
as
the
rural
interchange
program.
O
O
As
far
as
the
litter
apportionment
to
us,
you
know
we
have
one
of
the
most
beautiful
states
in
america,
but
it's
littered
with
garbage
everywhere.
We
already
today
spend
about
20
million
dollars
a
year
on
litter.
This
is
an
extra
four
million
dollars,
one
million
per
region
to
hopefully
do
a
little
bit
more
on
that
that
end
and
then
lastly,
the
hundred
million
dollars
for
the
improve
act.
Obviously
the
improve
act.
We've
talked
about
that
in
communities
before
100
million
will
help
us,
hopefully
propels
a
few
of
the
projects.
Earlier.
O
O
O
A
year
on
the
state
side,
it's
a
little
more
complicated
but
and
easy
enough
to
understand
this
body
awarded
tdot
200
million
dollars
in
fiscal
22
for
the
blue
oval
project
for
those
rows
and
and
all
of
that
infrastructure
there.
That
obviously
does
not
reoccur.
O
As
you
know,
bond
authorization
is
a
tool
that
this
body
has
given
us
to
accelerate
our
project
delivery
using
sound
cash
management.
So
what
that
basically
means
is
we're
allowed
to
start
projects
that
we
don't
actually
have
revenue
for.
Think
of
it.
This
way,
when
you
put
money
on
a
project,
it
doesn't
normally
spend
out
in
one
year
so
thus
creating
think
of
it
as
float,
and
so
this
bond
authorization
allows
us
to
use
that
we
believe
we're
at
a
prudent
level
of
bond
authorization.
O
Today,
it's
roughly
836
million
dollars,
so
836
million
dollars
of
projects
that
we
really
don't
have
the.
If
the
funding
stopped
we'd
have
to
bond
out,
but
we
don't
believe
that'll
happen
now
as
far
as
the
budget
from
last
year,
that
was
approved
by
this
body
versus
the
one
we're
proposing
today,
the
funding
board
did
come
up
with
some
different
numbers
and
it's
60
million
dollars
higher
in
the
normal
user
fees,
gas,
diesel,
special
petroleum
vehicle
registration
and
then.
O
O
This
is
a
slide
that
helps
me
understand
and
gets
me
comfortable
that
do
I
have
a
budget
that
seems
reasonable,
and
so
the
summary
of
the
slide
is
it
is
reasonable.
Fiscal
23,
in
my
opinion,
is
a
reasonable
budget.
I
think
it's
a
conservative
and
I'll
show
you
why
so
in
fiscal
20,
as
you
remember,
that
was
the
first
year
of
covet,
we
were
going
along
pretty
well
in
fiscal
20
until
that
march
april
may
time
frame
in
which
we
were.
O
We
were
heading
actually
ahead
of
budget
on
our
user
fees
and
then
it
actually
became
negative
by
about
33
million.
So
in
fiscal
21
we
actually
recover
fairly
nicely.
As
you
can
see,
gasoline
bumped
up
a
little
bit.
Diesel
remained
very
strong.
You
know
with
all
of
the
ppe
different
supplies
that
people
needed,
the
truckers
were
moving
and
so
diesel
stayed
strong.
O
The
special
petroleum
tax,
that's
the
1.4
fee.
One
cent
on
petroleum
and
volatile
fuels,
four
tenths
on
the
environmental
insurance
fee
for
underground
storage,
tanks
that
moves
with
gas
and
diesel
and
went
up
slightly
on
the
vehicle
registration
side.
You
can
see
it's
quite
a
healthy
increase,
but
keep
in
mind
covet
hit.
Many
of
the
clerk's
offices
were
closed
or
had
reduced
hours.
So
many
people
in
that
april
may
time
april
may
june
time
frame
were
allowed
to
pay
their
vehicle
registration
in
the
subsequent
year,
and
so
that's
the
bump.
O
There,
beer
and
bottle
user
fee
is
always
somewhere
between
six
and
eight
million.
So
that
didn't
change
much
and
on
the
transportation
equity
fund.
It
looks
like
a
giant
decrease
from
65
down
to
24.,
but
remember
in
fiscal
20,
there
were
two
railroads
that
paid
back
user
fees
of
39
million.
So
when
you
take
out
that
one
payment,
those
payments,
it's
26
million
versus
24
million,
so
it's
fairly
comparable.
O
So
now
we
move
to
the
budget
in
22
where
we're
at
today.
So
the
the
good
news
here
is,
you
know
those
budgets
were
put
in
place
actually
before
I
go
on
this.
So,
between
20
and
21,
the
user
fees
for
gas
diesel
special
petroleum
vehicle
registration
went
up
four
percent,
so
it
was
a
healthy
increase
in
21.
O
in
22.
You
can
see
the
numbers
are
low,
but
remember
when
we
put
that
budget
together
it
was
the
fall
of
2020
and
then,
when
the
funding
board
met,
it
was
the
december
january
of
2021.
We
were
still
in
the
heart
of
covet,
so
those
numbers
are
low.
I'm
happy
to
report
at
this
point.
Coincidentally,
the
numbers
that
you
see
in
the
budget
for
23
looks
like
where
we're
trending
toward
right
now
for
22.,
so
our
gas
right
now
is
trending
toward
540
million.
Again.
O
O
So
what
that
means
is
that
as
long
as
nothing
major
happens
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
year-
and
it
continues
at
the
same
pace
that
budget
for
22
will
actually
reflect
the
actions.
Will
be
somewhere
close
to
the
proposed
budget
for
23,
which
means
21
will
grow
to
22
by
4
as
well.
So
if
I'm
looking
at
a
budget,
the
actual
of
22
being
almost
equal
to
the
budget
of
23,
it's
a
reasonable
budget.
But
I
would
again
unless
there's
some
major
catastrophe
and
who
knows
what
goes
on
in
ukraine
or
whatever.
O
We
are
one
of
the
top
five
infrastructures
every
year
this
year
we
were
rated
number
four,
but
doing
that
without
debt
and
on
cash
flow
really
helps
us
without
having
to
deal
with
debt
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
In
a
minute.
We
are
only
one
of
five
states
with
without
debt.
It's
now
become
six,
so
the
acronym
is
twins
tennessee,
wyoming,
iowa,
nebraska
and
south
dakota.
O
O
O
We
won't
have
spending
authority
of
1.1
billion,
our
full-year
spending
authority
will
be
somewhere
around
million,
but
the
continuing
resolution
ratchet
setback
pro
rates
it
to
march,
but
also
at
the
fast
tack
levels.
So
in
real
numbers
we
only
have
about
350
million
dollars
of
spending
authority
if,
on
march
11th
a
full
authorization
is
given
and
we
have
the
full
year.
O
O
Q
If
you
look
at
us
comparatively
across
the
country,
we
generally
rank
in
the
top
five.
I
know
u.s
news
world
report
ranked
ranked
us
number
two
in
pavements
in
the
most
recent
year
and
number
11
on
bridges
with
20
000
bridges
in
tennessee,
there's
there's
only
about
eight
or
nine
states
that
have
more
bridges
than
tennessee
does.
So
we
really
put
a
lot
of
dollars
into
those
keep
in
mind
that
fy22
over
fy21
in
our
construction
contracts,
we're
seeing
a
55
increase
in
fuel
costs.
Q
28
increase
in
asphalt,
concrete
six
percent,
increased
labor
aggregates
are
up.
10
percent
trucking
is
up
35
natural
gas.
That's
used
to
to
run
our
contractors
asphalt,
plants
is
up,
100
percent
and
then
epoxies
and
pavements
are
up
about
40.
So
we
are
seeing
some
significant
increases
in
cost.
It's
going
to
have
an
impact,
as
commissioner
mentioned,
we
put
more
dollars
in
the
budget
in
this
year
and
next
year
to
help
address
some
of
those
types
of
issues.
Q
I
do
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
potholes
and
what's
happened
across
the
state,
but
in
particular
in
middle
tennessee
this
year,
so
in
january,
middle
tennessee,
here
the
nashville
area
about
six
and
a
half
inches
of
rain
in
in
february
about
eight
and
a
half
inches
of
rain.
We
normal
for
both
of
those
months
is
around
four
inches.
Q
Q
In
particular.
One
of
the
issues
we
had
in
tennessee
is
a
pavement.
While
we
measure
our
pavements
based
on
their
condition.
The
age
of
a
pavement
is
somewhat
indicative
of
its
life
on
an
interstate.
A
pavement
gets
resurfaced
about
every
eight
years
or
so
and
on
regular
state
highways
about
12
years.
The
major
failures
we
had
on
I-40
and
smith
county
was
a
eight.
Nearly
nine-year-old
pavement,
u.s
431
in
davidson
and
williamson
county
was
a
12
year
old
pavement
in
a
perfect
world.
We
would
get
out
there
and
and
have
paved
it
a
year
earlier.
Q
Had
we
known,
we
were
going
to
have
such
a
difficult
winter,
but
we
have
put
resources
out.
Thankfully,
the
lord's
provided
us
beautiful
weather
this
week
and
we're
going
to
be
out
doing
a
whole
lot
more
pavement
restoration
generally
hot
mix
asphalt
plants
are
closed
from
about
mid-december.
Through
mid-march
we
worked
with
the
industry
to
reopen
some
of
those
plants.
So
some
of
the
repairs
we're
doing
right
now
are
permanent
repairs
in
general.
Wintertime
repairs
for
potholes
are
are
temporary
in
nature.
Q
We
have
to
wait
till
we
get
warm
weather
to
patch
them,
but
I
can
assure
you
we
have
staff
going
out
right
now.
I
know
it's.
It's
frustrating
for
our
consumers
out
there.
I
know,
and
just
talking
with
other
public
works
officials
in
the
cities
across
counties
across
the
state,
there's
a
lot
of
suffering
this
time
of
year,
but
I
can
assure
you:
we've
got
staff
moving
to
address
it.
O
O
Then
it
went
to
twelve
seventeen
and
then
past
year.
Right
now,
preliminary
numbers
are
right
around
13
20..
So
we
talk
about
the
three
e's
education
enforcement
and
engineering,
certainly
on
the
education
side,
the
tennessee
highway
safety
office
and
other
you
know,
organizations
talk
about
click,
a
ticket
booths
that
lose
it
things
like
that.
You
have
enforcement
out
there,
trying
to
stop
people
from
speeding
people
from
drinking
and
driving
and
driving
distracted
and
on
the
engineering
side.
O
O
It
really
does
boil
down
to
a
lot
of
things
in
in
our
country
about
personal
responsibility
and
people
following
the
law,
so
paul
I'll
have
paul
talk
about
a
little
more
expanded
on
those
general
fund
programs
and
then
we'll
take
your
questions.
Madam
chair.
Q
Q
Since
2017
we
have
delivered
the
contract
about
325
million
dollars
in
projects
that
support
economic
development.
Typically,
there
are
projects
where
there's
a
manufacturing
plant
coming
to
a
community
and
we'll
build
a
project
they
generally
and
they're,
generally
off
the
state
highway
system,
but
sometimes
they're
on
it
generally
1
to
five
or
six
million
dollar
project.
Q
We
have
about
a
30
million
dollar
program.
Sometimes
we
have
to
bump
it
up
a
little
bit
more
to
fund
those
projects,
but
we
identified
three
particular
projects
that
were
part
of
economic
and
community
development,
recruiting
efforts.
One
of
them
was
in
here
in
nashville
the
oracle
project,
we're
having
to
jack
up
interstate
24
and
run
cleveland
street
under
the
interstate.
Q
We
have
about
a
15
million
dollar
project,
supporting
that
investment
and
then
eastman
chemical,
one
of
the
largest
chemical
manufacturers
in
the
country,
headquartered
in
kingsport
tennessee
we've
been
working
with
them.
They
did
about
a
billion
and
a
half
dollar
investment
in
the
state
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
we
were
working
on
a
project
with
them
and
their
expansion
keeps
producing
fruit
and
they
keep
doing
more,
and
so
we
needed
to
rethink
how
we
were
doing
a
project.
So
we've
got
about
a
22
million
dollar
project
there.
Q
Those
three
projects
at
77
million
dollars
are
just
outside
of
our
ability
to
fund
in
a
30
million
dollar
program.
Obviously,
so
that's
where
we
came
up
with
a
budget
supplement
the
highway
partnership
program.
As
commissioner
mentioned,
it's
a
deal
for
us
if
somebody
says
hey
I'll,
put
20
toward
a
project
on
your
road
if
you'll
help
us
get
it
under
contract
sooner,
so
we're
it's
kind
of
like
a
20
off
coupon.
Q
If
you
will
we're
getting
local
government
and
sometimes
private
sector
investment
and
contribution
to
help
us
do
improvements
on
the
state
highway
system,
we've
identified
seven
projects,
totaling
266
million
dollars.
It's
a
very
good
deal
for
the
state
of
tennessee
in
the
rural
areas.
One
of
the
things
that
governor
lee
has
asked
us
to
look
at
is
how
can
we
support
economically
distressed
and
at-risk
communities
across
the
state?
Q
So
we
looked
at
all
of
those
counties
across
the
state,
and
we
asked
our
question
if
I
was
going
to
recruit
an
industry
to
this
county,
how
would
they
get
there?
And
so,
if
you
have
an
industrial
park
in
your
county
and
somebody
has
to
drive
to
the
county
fly
flying
to
nashville
or
memphis
or
somewhere,
they
drive
to
the
community
they're
driving
down
the
interstate
and
they
get
off
at
an
interchange
that
was
built
in
the
1960s.
Q
It's
very
narrow
that
that's
not
the
type
of
recruiting
tool
that
we
want,
so
we
looked
and
came
up
with
a
dozen
interchanges
that,
from
a
minimum
just
doing
high
mass
lighting
at
some
interchanges
to
to
the
total
reconstruction
and
and
improvements
of
the
cross
street
on
the
road
as
well,
so
again,
176
million
dollars
on
about
a
dozen
projects
through
there
good.
All
three
of
these
programs
are
solid
economic
recruitment
tools.
We
believe
they
are
job
creators,
the
the
incidental
creation
of
commercial
retail
jobs
with
with
truck
stops.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
do
have
a
list
of
questions.
O
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioner
team
good
to
have
you
guys
here
this
morning,
question
couple
of
questions
all
related
to
the
mega
site.
Last
year
we
appropriated
200
million
dollars
for
to
extend
state
route
194
and
the
interchange
there.
How
does
that
work
with
the
improved
project
with
the
improve
act,
project
list.
Q
Sure
so
so
this
project
is
very
similar
to
the
three
economic
development
projects
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
The
the
the
blue
oval
site,
as
as
far
as
the
recruitment
afford,
did
not
exist
when
we
put
the
project
listing
together,
one
of
the
things
that
we
understood
when
the
improve
act
was
written
into
law
that
there
would
be
opportunities
that
would
come
to
the
state
of
tennessee
that
we
would
need
to
consider
heavily
on
and
capitalizing
on.
Q
If
you
will
so,
the
blue
oval
was
done
outside
of
the
improve
act
and
so
thus
the
special
appropriation
in
the
special
session.
We
are
working
to
be
able
to
deliver
all
those
projects
within
that
budget,
and
hopefully
we
will.
You
know
not
have
to
go
over
that.
We
feel
pretty
confident
that
we're
right
on
track
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Q
J
Easy
enough
that
may
have
been
the
shortest
answer
we've
had
in
any
budget
hearing.
I've
been
in.
Thank
you,
paul
diggs
and
then
last
question
related
to
the
development
of
the
blue
ovals
blue
oval
site.
What
what?
What
are
the
plans
related
to
state
routes,
I-40
in
terms
of
expansion,
and
once
this
is
completed?
What
are
we
looking
at
years
down
the
road
and
what
is
the
planning
from
tdot
related
to
the
impact
that
that's
going
to
have
travel
wise
in
that
community?.
P
Thinking
about
how
that
area
has
grown
relative
to
the
initial
investments,
we're
undertaking
a
number
of
planning
studies
we'll
be
working
in
partnership
with
ecd,
so
we
have
across
the
state
our
offices
of
community
transportation
planning.
So
we
have
two
staff
in
each
of
our
four
regions,
and
so
they
work
with
city
and
county
officials,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
I-40,
we'll
also
be
looking
at
the
state
routes
in
and
around
some
movements.
As
on
the
freight
side
working
with
the
memphis
metropolitan
planning
organization.
I
hope
that
answers
some
of
your
questions.
A
You've
mentioned
in
your
presentation
earlier
the
improve
act
and
the
fact
you
know
we
have
additional
dollars
that
now
we're
positioning
towards
that
towards
those
projects.
Can
you
give
us
an
update
on
the
improve
act?
How
many
projects
have
been
completed?
A
Are
they
being
completed
on
schedule
and
with
the
new
funding?
How
is
that
going
to
impact
the
scheduling
and
how
many
projects
are
left
to
complete.
O
So
sure
so,
right
now,
I
believe
paul
it's
roughly
68
or
either
I
think
it's
14
or
so
are
completed.
The
remainder
of
that
68
are
in
process,
so
there's
32
percent
that
are
still
having
to
be
to
to
go
forward.
B
A
Q
A
Q
So
so
projects
prices
are
going
up.
Of
course,
we
we
kind
of
anticipated.
That
would
happen,
as
commissioner
gail
bottom
kind
of
put
in
his
presentation
about
200
million
dollars
of
the
iija
dollars
are
new
dollars
that
will
go
toward
the
typical
type
of
projects
that
are
identified
in
the
improve
act,
both
traditional
capacity,
expansion
projects
and
bridge
replacement
projects.
Q
Again
the
governor
put
a
hundred
million
dollars
of
one-time
money
in
it.
So
but
we're
still
seeing,
as
I
had
kind
of
pointed
out,
the
inflationary
trends
are
impacting
us.
In
general,
we
are
making
good
progress,
getting
projects
out
the
door,
it's
been
about
five
years,
and
we've
got
well
over
half
of
the
projects
well
underway
and
so
about
a
third
of
them
left
to
start
on,
so
we're
making
pretty
good
progress,
but
we
still
are
years
out.
It's
it's
probably
10
years,
at
least
before
we'll
be
able
to
finish
all
the
projects.
O
Right
so
when
we,
what
you
may
be
referring
to
is
what
we
talked
about
in
our
governor's
hearing
when
we
had
his
budget
and
so
remember
when
we
did
the
improve
act,
the
need
to
get
the
projects
done
in
10
to
15
years
was
about.
Five
is
522
million
dollars.
What
we
received
was
244
million
at,
but
they
were
phased
in
and
there
was
no
indexing.
O
O
A
And
I
guess
a
related
question
you
have
to
squeeze.
If
you
will
of
the
inflationary
factors
on
the
projects,
then
you
have
we're
transitioning
slowly,
but
it
seems
to
the
numbers
I've
seen
they're
out
accelerating
from
going
from
gas
powered
vehicles
to
hybrid
or
electric,
and
we
you
know
with
this
body,
we
pass
legislation,
there's
an
increased
registration
fee
for
electric
vehicles,
but
as
we
continue
as
more
and
more
people
move
to
the
electric
vehicles,
can
you
tell
us
your
if
you
had
a
crystal
ball
and
you
were
looking
into
your
crystal
ball?
O
I
I
think
is,
I
think
I
think
so.
The
answer
is
yes.
So
right
now,
as
far
as
the
impact
of
electric
vehicles
in
tennessee,
it's
pretty
small,
so
in
fiscal
21
we
ended
with
about
9
100
vehicles.
I
think
today
we're
somewhere
around
12
000..
It's
still
two-tenths
of
one
percent
of
all
the
vehicles
in
tennessee.
So
there's
not
a
major
impact.
O
If
you
look
at
you
know
what
the
what
the
average
car
with
that,
what
that
car
spends
in
in
gasoline,
both
federal
and
and
in
local
state
it's
about
300
a
year.
So
if
the
current
electric
vehicles
we
have
that
hundred
dollar
fee,
on
top
of
it
there's
still
a
200
disparity
so
for
the
9100
vehicles,
you're
talking
about
1.8
million
dollars.
So
so
yes,
it's
1.8
million
dollars,
but
compared
to
a
3.2
billion
dollar
budget.
It's
it's!
O
It's
not
even
rounding,
but
we'd
be
foolish
to
think
it's
not
going
to
get
there,
and
so
I
know
preston's
folks
and
you
may
want
to
talk
about
preston
what
you
guys
are
trying
to
do
to
accelerate
the
number
of
electric
vehicles
and
charging
stations
in
the
state.
P
Personnel
chief
of
environment
and
planning,
so
we've
been
working
on
alternative
fuels
for
probably
since
the
early
2000s.
If
you
look
at
the
e85
and
the
biofuels
since
2016,
we
have
really
begun
to
look
at
all
of
the
fun
fueling
source
options
that
are
available,
whether
we're
talking
about
electric
compressed
natural
gas,
propane
or
liquefied
natural
gas.
In
2016,
we
had
one
of
our
first
routes
designated,
which
makes
it
eligible
for
federal
funding
for
electrification.
P
The
I-40
corridor
is
an
example
of
that,
but
currently,
all
of
our
two
two-digit
interstates
in
the
state
currently
meet
the
designation
for
an
alternative
field
corridor
with
the
passage
of
the
infrastructure
bill.
We
are
looking
at
about
13
million
this
year,
88
million
over
the
next
five
years
for
electric
vehicle
infrastructure.
P
In
2021,
we
completed
the
I-40
deployment
plan
for
working
with
north
carolina
and
arkansas
on
alternative
fuels,
so
we
have
been.
As
commissioner
gabardo
has
mentioned,
we
have
been
working
pretty
diligently
to
plan
for
the
inevitable
transition
to
different
fueling
types
working
with
tdec,
as
well
as
other
other
organizations
in
the
state.
Currently,
I
think,
as
you
said,
commissioner,
about
12
000
pure
electric
vehicles,
those
are
the
ones
that
are
paying
the
100
tag
additional
fee.
A
I
just
I
think
for
this
body
for
this
committee
and
for
the
general
assembly
as
a
whole.
If
you
really
think
about
what
commissioner
galbado
said,
there's
a
we're
subsidizing
electric
vehicles
and
their
road
use
right.
Now,
it's
a
small
problem,
but
as
more
and
more
vehicles,
it's
more
and
more
people
move
to
electric
vehicles.
A
A
We
have
tdot
has
been
self-sustaining,
so
to
speak,
with
the
exception
of
these
large
projects-
and
you
know
those
kind
of
things
so
again,
I
just
think
it's
something
that
we
as
a
body
are
going
to
have
to
address
sooner
rather
than
later,
because
9
100
to
12
000.
A
If
you
look
at
a
trend
line,
then-
and
I
think
chairman
williams
had
in
the
appropriations
committee-
had
some
testimony
and
spent
a
whole
hour
one
day
talking
about
you
know
that
whole
issue
and
it's
just
something
that
is
going
to
we're
going
to
have
to
address
it,
because
we
like
being
one
of
having
the
top
infrastructure
being
the
best
roads
in
the
country.
You
can't
continue
to
do
that
if
you're
not
funding
it
properly.
A
I
have
one
last
question
and
then
I'll
quit
hogging
this
microphone
and
let
other
people
ask
but
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
projects
here
from
the
economic
development
projects
that
you
mentioned,
the
three
major
ones.
Then
you've
got
your
regular
ecd
projects
that
are
just
part
of
you
know
doing
business.
Then
we're
talking
about
bringing
putting
additional
dollars
to
try
and
move
the
improve
act
projects
along
the
track
a
little
bit
faster.
A
You
know
that
you
may
get.
You
have
a
smaller
pot
of
money
and
then
you
get
a
big
assuming
the
feds
do
what
they're
supposed
to
you
have
additional
monies
for
a
short
time.
So
how
is
the
the
staffing?
O
O
You
know
try
to
re-look
at
our
different
jobs,
we're
looking
at
our
ipd
our
integrated
program
delivery
to
do
things
more
efficiently,
so
I
think
we're
staffed
at
an
adequate
level
today,
but
what
we
do
is
if
we
have
more
activity
than
we
can
handle,
we
do
have
the
consulting
community
to
help
us
and
we
we
have
budgeted
for
that
as
well.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to.
Q
So
I
I
mean
just
paul
diggs,
I
I
think
commissioners
kind
of
said
it
correctly
there.
So
for
the
roughly
1.3
billion
dollars,
we
let
the
contract.
Last
year,
a
little
over
half
of
that
work
was
designed
by
the
consulting
industry.
So
we
have
the
ability
should
dollars
ramp
up
significantly
for
one-time
money
grants
or
things
of
that
that
we
can
tap
the
private
sector
to
pull
in
that's
how
our
program
kind
of
contemplates
the
world
working.
Q
You
know
we
are,
you
know
fighting
with
the
private
sector
and
others
for
employees
every
day
of
the
week.
So
I
mean
we
have
enough
staffing
and
positions,
but
it's
always
going
to
be
a
challenging
challenge,
as
the
salaries
and
grow
in
the
private
sector
is
going
to
be
incumbent
on
us
to
continually
look
at.
Are
we
an
employer
of
choice
to
where
we
can
make
sure
we're
paying
people
fairly?
So
we
don't
have
high
turnover
rates.
A
And
a
follow-up
to
that.
As
you
know,
our
local
governments
have
gotten
funding
some
from
the
states,
some
from
federal
to
use.
You
know
for
their
own
road
projects
so
and
then
you
I
would
assume
that
we're
competing
on
a
national
basis,
because
everybody
is
it's
like
broadband.
Everybody's
is
attempting
to
get
broadband
out
there,
everybody's
attempting
to
improve
their
infrastructure,
so
is
that
competition
with
contractors?
A
Q
So
again,
paul
diggs,
so
it's
incumbent
on
the
department
to
make
sure
that
we
are
cognizant
of
where
we're
putting
work
out
on
the
street,
and
so
in
general,
our
construction
industry
has
a
lot
of
capacity.
I
know
we,
you
know
we're
still
opening
bids
and
warden
projects
and,
for
instance,
bridge
replacement,
bridge
repair
projects,
we'll
typically
get
between
four
to
six
bidders
on
those
types
of
projects.
That's
showing
me,
we
have
a
lot
of
capacity
out
there
in
the
construction
industry,
but
certainly
for
in
certain
areas
of
the
state.
Q
If
we
pile
on
too
much
work
in
a
certain
geographic
area,
it's
gonna
put
the
hurt
on
us.
Typically,
it's
not
the
prime
contractors
that
we're
struggling
with
it's
some
of
the
specialty
items
of
work
that
subcontractors
do
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
overloading
the
market
and
and
those
types
of
activities,
but
we
we
still
have
plenty
of
capacity
out
there.
We
believe.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good,
to
see
you
all
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
across
tennessee's
95
counties
through
the
federal
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
act.
I
understand
tennessee
is
set
to
get
6.2
billion
dollars
over
five
years
and
does
tdot
foresee
any
challenges
with
that
in
terms
of
project
timelines
or
federal
directives,
and
how
that
money
can
be
utilized
and
also
will
you
be
able
to
use
these
funds
on
current
priorities
or
will
priorities
have
to
shift
based
on
some
federal
guidelines
or
something
along
those
lines?.
O
So
we're
we're
excited
by
it
and
I'm
glad
you
made
the
comment
that
it's
6.2
billion
over
five
years.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
thought
he
was
all
coming
to
us
like
manna
from
heaven.
It
does
allow
us
in
that
6.2
billion
that's
comparable
to
4.5
billion
on
the
fast
tax,
so
we're
up
about
1.7
billion
over
five
years.
One
billion
is
coming
in
the
core
programs,
so
that's
where
we
talked
earlier
about
200
million
will
help
us
toward
our
improve
act.
O
Projects
to
accelerate
those,
the
other
700
million
about
half
of
that
300
million
is
bridge
money
and
that
will
help
us
on
our
bridges.
It's
it's.
I
think
paul's
folks
told
us
last
week
that
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
like
core
money
as
well,
but
the
remaining
piece
of
that
we
still
don't
have
eligibility.
We
don't
have
eligibility
on
preston's
infrastructure,
electric
infrastructure,
the
green
initiatives,
the
resiliency
we
don't
have
those
yet,
but
the
the
bulk
of
the
increase
in
the
iija
will
help
us
deliver
those
projects.
A
little
quicker.
Q
Q
Our
highway
safety
improvement
program
has
grown
about
by
about
12
million
dollars
this
year,
so
we'll
identify
good
safety
projects,
the
resiliency
programs.
We
have
a
pretty
healthy
program
that
does
rock
fall
mitigation
and
embankment
tries
to
prevent
slides
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
out
there,
but
they're
the
the
prioritization
that
we
do
out
there
is.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
get
all
the
dollars
out
the
door
and
that
we
service
communities
in
all
95
counties.
C
Thank
you
and
lastly,
there
was
some
flooding
in
my
home
county
of
johnson
county
the
other
day
and
I've
reached
out
to
the
department
and
I'm
sure
it
will
be
addressed.
But
my
general
question
is
in
a
situation
like
this,
where,
where
water
is
literally
one
to
three
feet
deep
entirely
or
almost
entirely
across
the
state
highway
and
there's
a
creek
involved
nearby,
is
there
a
timeline
on
rerouting
of
creeks
in
cooperation
with
t-deck?
I
mean
this
sounds
like
it's
going
to
be
a
rather
deep
situation.
Thank
you.
Q
Again,
paul
diggs,
so
it
in
in
general
tdot
does
not
do
a
stream
rerouting
type
activities.
Q
We
have
a
transportation
asset
management
plan,
a
tamp.
If
you
will
that
we
use
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
the
right
investments
resiliency
is
a
piece
of
that.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
our
customers
aren't
stuck
with
long
detours,
and
so
we
will
look
at
all
those
locations.
I'll
do
some
follow-up
on
the
specific
location
that
you're
speaking
to
to
make
sure
we've
got
a
good
plan
to
address
ground
continuity
in
that
area.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
mr
dex
for
coming
today.
First
of
all,
I
think
chairman
zach,
chairman
zachary,
and
I
are
a
member
of
the
smith
county,
busted
windshield
caucus.
So
we
appreciate
you
guys
getting
out
there
and
getting
to
that
pretty
fast.
It
was
the
fastest
turnaround.
I
think
I've
ever
had
with
contacting
your
office
and
getting
people
out
there
and
happy
to
say
that
the
improvements
are
more
needed.
I
Obviously,
for
the
for
what
you
stated
earlier
about
the
unique
challenges
of
the
rain,
freezing
and
changing
weather,
and
so
was
really
surprised
that
you
were
able
to
get
out
there
that
fast
and
make
a
remedy
not
just
for
those
that
live
in
those
communities,
but
for
a
lot
of
the
people
traveling
east
from
here
to
get
home.
So
just
a
quick
question.
I
noticed
that
in
tasser
we
studied
about
litter
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
in
there
it.
I
noticed
that
there
has
been
most
of
the
there's.
I
A
portion
of
the
littered
monies
was
not
used
over
the
past
two
years
and
particularly
a
year
before
last,
because
of
coving
counties,
weren't
able
to
implement
all
their
measures,
as
relates
to
picking
up
litter
last
year.
I
think
we
there
was
1.3
million
dollars
of
the
litter
fund
that
we
didn't
use,
but
I
did
notice
this
year
the
the
governor
proposed
an
additional
four
million
dollars
of
monies
into
the
litter
fund.
I
I
guess
the
question
is:
is:
are
there
areas
in
our
state
where
we're
we're,
don't
have
we
don't
have
enough,
or
are
we
not
deploying
the
capital
to
these
counties?
Can
you
speak
to
that?
A
little
bit.
Q
Q
Commissioners
asked
that
we
put
those
into
department,
litter
programs,
where
we
have
department
staff
and
contracts
doing
the
work.
We
also
have
litter
grant
programs
through
our
beautification
office.
Those
are
the
dollars
that
you're
speaking
to
that
were
mentioned
in
the
tasser
study.
I
know
preston
if
you
want
to
kind
of.
A
I
One
of
the
questions
I
was
delighted
to
see
the
additional
revenue.
I
think
one
of
the
discussions
that
we
had
in
tasser
and
and
it's
my
hope
that
we
can
continue
the
discussion
is,
is
there
are
many
of
our
citizens
who
are
are
given
a
cleanup
letter
from
t-deck
because
they
have
a
tire,
a
bunch
of
tires
that
were
disposed
on
their
property
or
that
someone
else
put
on
them?
I
I
guess
the
question
is:
is:
is
there
any
opportunity
for
you
to
use
these
new
additional
funds
to
collaborate
with
tdec
to
find
out
if
we
could
help
offset
some
of
the
costs
of
the
citizens
who
are
trying
to
clean
this
property
up?
Is
it
or
where
can
that
money
only
be
used
in
the
fashion
that
we've
done
before.
O
I
Issue
a
violation
to
a
property
owner
because
they're
because
of
someone
has
dumped
tires
on
them
and,
generally
speaking,
it's
someone
who's
not
following
the
the
used
tire
protocol
as
we
as
you
may
say,
and
then
these
people
find
out
that
they
have
250
tires
or
500
tires
on
their
property
and
it
cost
them
60
grand
to
get
them
off
their
property.
I
Of
course,
they
can't
most
of
our
citizens
can't
afford
to
pay
someone
to
come
clean
up
property
which
they
didn't
damage,
and
so,
if
we
could
find
a
way
to
do
that,
I
think
it
would
be
really
good
not
just
for
our
environment
and
our
roadways,
but
but
also
help
offset
some
of
these
costs
where
people
have
been
to
no
fault
of
their
own
been
dumped
on.
So.
I
E
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
all
of
you
for
being
here
today.
Just
for
the
benefit
of
understanding
back
to
mega
site,
blue
oval
is
the
exit
that
you're
building
off
the
interstate
is
that
at
the
solar
farm.
Q
Q
E
Q
Yes,
sir,
there's
no
exit
exists
there.
Currently,
you,
you
might
see
a
bunch
of
stakes
and
orange
flags
and
stuff
like
that,
because
we
got
a
lot
of
surveying
and
investigations
going
on
out
there.
But
it's
about
mile
marker
39
on
I-40.
Q
It's
state
route
194
will
to
the
south
it'll
connect
on
state
route
59
and
to
the
north.
It
it'll
so
then
come
up
hit
I-40
at
mile
or
39
and
then
continue
to
the
north
to
highway
70.
Just
the
other
side
of
the
railroad
tracks.
E
And
madam
chair
just
one
last
quick
question:
will
you
will
you
close
exit
43
believe
right
now
where,
where
it
is
now,
will
that
exit
be
closed?
No
sir?
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Ma'am
chan.
P
Thank
you,
madam
and
I've
got
a
couple
questions
if
that's
okay,
to
go
back
and
forth,
commissioner
thanks
so
much
for
being
here
and
your
team
first
thing,
I
I
live
in
memphis
and
come
up
here
every
week
and
observe
the
the
I-40
portion
that
goes
through
jackson
and
everything
that's
going
on
there.
Can
you
just
provide
an
update
as
to
exactly
what
they're
doing
to
the
sides
of
the
lanes
that
are
open
and
then
the
current
status?
I
understand
it's
a
construction
zone
and
it's
very
active.
Q
So
the
first
thing
that
we
did
was
we
beefed
up
the
shoulders
a
little
bit
and
we
built
that
median
barrier
wall
and
drainage
through
there,
and
then
we
shifted
the
traffic
over
there.
Now
today
that
left
lane
that
left
lane
is
traffic
is
riding
on.
What
will
in
the
f,
when
we
finish,
the
project
will
be
the
shoulder.
Q
So
later
this
year,
you'll
be
able
to
see
when
we
will
come
back
through
and
the
traffic
will
shift
off
of
that
medium
barrier
wall
by
about
10
or
12
feet
where
right
now,
you're
pretty
close.
I
know
it's
a
narrow
section
through
there,
but
when
we're
done,
you'll
have
roughly
12
feet
from
the
wall
to
the
yellow
line
on
your
left
and
then
three
lanes
plus
there
will
be
some
auxiliary
lanes
at
the
interchanges
through
there.
P
So,
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
you
correctly
right
now
the
portion
that
we're
driving
on
that's
against
the
middle
median,
that's
going
to
be
the
shoulder
eventually.
So
the
unevenness
of
that
correct.
Q
We
also
have,
I
know
one
of
your
counterparts,
and
I
he
took
me
for
a
ride
through
there
had
some
concerns
about
the
quality
and
we
have
a
specification
in
our
contract
that
we
have
to
ride
that
with
a
it's,
a
it's
a
profile
machine
that
measures
the
lumpiness
of
of
it.
If
you
will,
and
so
it's
going
to
have
their
will
they'll
do
what
we
call
profile.
Q
Milling
they'll
have
a
milling
machine
with
a
laser
sight
set
up
on
it
and
so
they'll
mill
through
there
and
to
get
it
in
a
smooth
plane
according
to
the
plans
before
they
come
back
in
and
put
the
additional
layers
of
asphalt
through
there.
We
we
acknowledge
that
it
is
a
lumpy
ride.
It
is
a
construction
zone
right
now,
so.
Q
Q
Your
contemporary
up
here
took
us
out
and
there's
a
couple
of
locations
that
we
might
have
to
come
in
there
and
do
some
spot
improvements,
probably
starting
between
the
middle
of
march
and
middle
of
april,
but
by
and
large,
when
we
shift
the
traffic
back
away
from
the
wall,
we'll
come
through
there
and
profile
mill
that
and
put
because
it's
not
at
the
surface
layers
of
asphalt
right
now.
It's
still
at
an
intermediate
layer.
P
More
questions
please
quickly.
Thank
you.
Shifting
back
to
the
litter
situation,
I
know
my
colleague
said
that
y'all
there
there's
some
grant
money
there
that's
left
over,
and
I
understand
that
and
that
additional
four
and
a
half
million
dollars
is
going
to
be
equally
proportioned
to
each
of
the
grain
divisions.
P
What
we've
got
a
significant
litter
problem
right
now
and
graffiti
problem
along
the
240
loop
and
the
section
of
I-40
between
appling
road
to
the
interchange
in
shelby
county,
and
I
was
just
wondering
what,
if,
if
that
original
budget
of
the
20
million
dollars,
is
that
also
equally
divided
between
the
three
divisions?
How
is
that
proportion
or
debbie
dopp,
and
do
you
also
have
contractors
that
are
working
on
graffiti.
Q
Yes,
so
so
again,
our
litter
programs
like
mowing
and
litter
are,
are
measured.
We
measure
how
many
acres
of
grass
we
mow
and
we
measure
how
much
we
have
to
pick
litter
up
so
to
to
that
extent
it
is
equivalent
across
the
state
in
the
the
more
urbanized
areas
we
have
a
sweeping
and
litter
program.
We
did
starting
this
calendar
year
in
our
mowing
lettings
from
no.
Q
If
somebody
writes
something
filthy,
we
we
try
to
get
out
there
asap.
You
know
if
somebody
writes
up
or
something
like
that
on
a
bridge
abutment,
it's
it's
not
as
big
a
priority.
We
try
to
get
to
it
when
we
can
aggregate
enough
of
that,
but
just
to
do
a
a
spot,
spain
painting.
We
typically
only
do
that
when
it's
a
vulgarity,
that's
out
there.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioners.
I
give
you
all
a
whoop
whoop.
I
guess
for
the
filling
the
potholes
that
I've
never
gotten
so
many
emails,
or
so
many
people
upset
about
something
so
quickly.
But
my
question
is
to
the
road
projects
in
particular,
and
some
of
the
my
cities,
I'm
saying
that
are
state-funded
highways,
where
we
eliminate
a
lane
of
traffic
and
add
bike
lanes
walkways.
B
Can
you
speak
to
that
process
just
real
quickly,
because
I
I
do
have
some
concern
and
have
some
constituents
that
get
upset
about
how
that
process
is
approved
and
who
makes
those
decisions.
P
Okay,
preston,
elliott,
so
it
depends
on
the
type
of
project
if
it's
a
widening
or
if
it's
a
resurfacing.
If
we're
referring
to,
let's
say
resurfacing,
we
work
with
the
local
community
and
we'll
go
through
a
process
of
looking
at
what's
called
a
road
diet
and
on
the
road
diet.
We'll
do
an
analysis
to
look
at
the
traffic
impacts.
P
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Well,
specifically,
I
guess
431
coming
into
downtown
franklin.
I
know
we
lost
the
lane
of
traffic
for
some
bike
lanes
and
a
lot
of
my
constituents
were
upset
because
those
bikes
you
know
as
as
much
as
that's
a
small
group
and
they're
very
loud.
I
just
believe
that
you
know
roads
were
built
for
cars
and
I
hate
to
lose
a
lane
of
traffic
for
bikes
on
sunday
afternoon.
Q
So
so
again,
this
is
paul
dagg.
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
consider
is
tdot
was
created
in
1915
and
transportation,
arteries
pre-date
the
department,
so
under
state
law
a
and
I'm
not
talking
about
interstates
but
under
state
law.
A
road
is
both
a
city
street
and
a
state
highway.
The
particular
project
that
you're
referring
to
is
not
a
tdot
project.
It
is
a
project
that
the
city
of
franklin
has
left
to
contract.
Q
We
see
this
scenario
happen
across
the
state.
We
do
try
to
work
with
communities,
but
ultimately
we
don't
have
100
veto
power
on
these
types
of
projects
and
so
from
time
to
time.
We
we
hear
these
things.
I
think
I
do
need
to
say
that
the
transportation
network
does
have
multiple
users
and
I
and
we
we
as
an
agency,
are
trying
to
accommodate
cars,
buses,
trucks,
bicycles,
pedestrians,
kids
on
roller
skates,
so
we're
we
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
we
look
at
all
all
modes
through
there.
Q
There
are
times
where
you
you
have
trade-offs,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
try
to
look
at
is
it
it?
It
does
not
appear
appropriate
to
us
to
eliminate
a
traffic
lane
for
vehicles
for
bikes,
pedestrians
and
and
other
modes
if
you
are
already
in
a
capacity
that
the
facility
can't
carry
so
that's
the
type
of
engineering
and
planning
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
to
make
sure
those
questions
are
being
asked
before
somebody
narrows
something
down
inappropriately.
In
our
opinion,.
Q
Again,
paul
decks
I'll
I'll
have
to
follow
up.
I
I
know
the
project's
moving
along
pretty
well,
I
believe
it's
probably
the
spring
of
2023,
but
let
me
follow
back
up
with
the
committee
on
the
actual
completion
date
on
the
project
right.
A
B
Thank
you
for
being
with
us,
commissioner,
and
to
your
entire
team,
and
thank
you
for
everything
you
do
just
very
briefly
the
adopt-a-highway
programs,
I
wouldn't
think
they
would
be
permitted
to,
but
are
they
allowed
to
remedy?
Maybe
the
graffiti?
B
If
it's
at
a
a
a
level,
not
across
the
bridge,
of
course,
but
at
a
level
where
they
can
reach
it,
and
maybe
there's
a
state
recommended
paint
for
them
to
remedy
that
or
a
cleaner
or
a
cleaner.
If
you
could
just
answer
that,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
this
would
be
proposed
legislation,
but
I
was
just
wondering
if
they
might
be
able
to
remedy
something
like
that.
O
Representative,
we
have
to
get
back
to
we
we're
shaking
our
heads,
we
don't
know,
the
assumption
would
be
adopt.
A
highway
would
be
just
people
with
bags
picking
up
trash,
but
but
we
will
find
that
answer
for
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
again
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you
for
making
sure
that
the
roads
in
tennessee
are
among
the
best
in
the
country.
We
do
appreciate
the
work
and
the
fourth
out
that
goes
into
that.
I
would
encourage
all
of
us.
I
know
I
get
as
many
emails
about
litter
as
almost
anything
else.
So
again
as
we
hopefully
gear
back
up
have
more
of
those
volunteer
folks
out
there.
A
You
know
working
those
projects
to
do
things
on
the
back
end,
but
if
there's
anything
that
you
can
help
us
think
creatively
about
in
decreasing
the
litter
that
goes
out
on
the
front
end
we'd
certainly
be
amenable
to
hearing
to
that
as
well.
But
again,
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
be
with
us
here
today.
Thank.
A
L
Okay,
this
is
tennessee
public
utilities.
Commission,
adam
chair,
hazelwood
and
members
of
the
committee
is
an
honor
to
come
before
you
today
and
present
the
tennessee
public
utilities
budget.
My
name
is
herb
hilliard,
and
I
am
vice
chairman
of
the
commission.
L
Chairman
hill
had
had
hoped
to
be
here
today,
but
he's
home
recovering
from
an
accident,
so
he's
doing
well.
He
is
doing
well
but
unable
to
travel
due
to
his
injury.
Joining
me
today
to
my
right
is
earl.
Tell
our
executive
director
of
t-puck
and
to
my
left
is
tim
schwartz
director
of
communications,
I'm
going
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
commission
as
well
as
share
a
proposed
fiscal
year
2223
budget
and
highlight
some
of
the
commission's
activities.
L
L
Discovery,
pleadings
and
deliberations
conducted
in
accordance
with
the
state,
uniform
administrator's
procedures,
act,
public
notice
and
participation
of
vital
components
and
determine
a
reasonable
rate
of
return.
That
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
utilities
of
the
utilities
and
the
customers
it
serves.
L
The
commission
worked
with
all
the
stakeholders
and
promulgated
rules
and
regulations
to
update
the
acquisition,
review
and
approval
process.
Our
hope
is
that
the
updated
rules
will
result
in
mutually
beneficial
acquisition
for
all
existing
and
future
customers,
as
well
as
all
the
utilities
involved.
L
The
commission
also
plays
an
important
role
in
sharing
the
safe
and
reliable
distribution
and
transmission
of
interstate
natural
gas
pipeline
facilities
within
our
great
state.
Our
our
gas
pipeline
safety
division
conducts
annual
audits
of
natural
gas
providers
and
perform
intra
state
gas
pipeline
safety
instructions.
L
We
inspect
over
40
000
miles
of
distribution
and
transmission
lines
that
provide
service
to
over
1.1
million
tennesseans.
We
are
pleased
with
the
passage
of
last
year's
bill
to
improve
our
underground
utility
damage
prevention
program
with
help
which
helps
to
further
our
mission
to
ensafe,
ensure
safe
and
reliable
utility
service
to
tennesseans.
L
The
commission
also
considers
applications
filed
by
utilities
seeking
to
provide
new
or
expanded
utility
services
within
the
state.
Analysis
of
these
applications
include
a
thorough
review
of
the
technical,
managerial
and
financial
ability
of
the
service
provider
to
provide
service
and
determination
that
such
service
is
in
the
public
interest.
The
commission
also
serves
as
a
form
to
receive
consumer
complaints
against
regulated
entities
and
facilitate
fatil
facilities.
L
The
commission
is
unique
in
state
government
and
that
we
are
one
of
a
number
of
self-funded
entities,
meaning
that
we
do
not.
We
do
not
receive
any
funds
from
the
state's
general
fund.
Our
proposed
budget
is
a
continuation
of
our
fiscal
year,
2122
budget,
with
no
new
funding
request.
It
is
funded
through
a
dedicated
mix
of
fees
collected
from
regulated
entities,
federal
reimbursements
and
reimbursements
from
state
and
private
entities
for
expenses
related
to
service
provided
by
the
agency.
The
proposed
fiscal
year
2023
budget
for
the
commission
is
9
million
683
300.
L
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
prevent
present
our
budget
today
and
highlight
our
agent's
effort
to
improve
the
life
of
lives
of
tennesseans.
As
I
said
earlier,
our
budget
is
basically
the
same
this
year
as
it
was
last
year
with
no
new
funding
requests
and
that
we
do
not
receive
any
funds
from
the
general
fund.
A
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
echo
her
comments.
So
thank
you
for
coming,
not
asking
for
more
money.
Today
we
appreciate
it.
My
question
involves
integrating
the
damage
enforcement
board.
I
believe
you
all
are
where
it
was
created
in
2015,
and
I
was
curious
if
you
could
provide
an
update
of
the
operations
of
the
board.
Has
there
been
a
decrease
in
the
instances
of
underground
utility
damage
since
the
establishment
of
the
board
and
then
finally
are
more
people
using
the
811
system?
B
My
name
is
tim
schwartz,
I'm
director
of
communications
for
the
public
utility
commission.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
It
is
a
relatively
new
board
we
average
about,
I
think,
200
complaints
per
year.
I
think
it's
starting
to
go
up
as
we
have
more
digging
taking
place
the
economy's
moving
along
pretty
well,
so
our
folks
are
getting
a
little
busier
processing
some
complaints.
So
I
think
in
the
next
year
or
so
you'll
see
that
number
go
up
a
little
bit
more,
but
it's
been
working
pretty
well.
B
Last
year
the
legislation
did
a
few
things
that
increased
some
of
the
penalties.
That
gets
us
into
compliance
with
the
federal
government,
which
is
helpful,
and
so
that
fund
is
going
to
go
up
a
little
bit
and
some
of
the
fees
we
may
collect
from
that
enforcement,
but
that
that
those
funds
will
be
turned
around
and
used
for
grants
to
improve
public
safety,
so
we're
in
the
process
of
getting
that
underway.
B
Hi,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
with
us
today.
I
just
have
a
question
the
on
the
deaf
blind
equipment
distribution
program.
Actually,
over
the
years,
I've
had
a
couple
of
constituents
call
me
with
asking
for
help
with
that,
and
the
agency
has
helped
them
tremendously.
B
So
I
appreciate
that,
but
we
noticed
that
the
commission
budgeted
189
thousand
dollars
in
funding
from
the
fcc
for
the
national
deaf-blind
equipment
distribution
program,
but
only
receive
42
000
in
fy
2021
was
the
operation
of
the
program
affected
in
any
way
by
that
reduction
in
funding,
and
what
was
the
reason
for
that?
Perhaps
were
there
less
you
were
users
or
or
what
was
that.
B
Tim
schwartz
again
with
the
utility
commission,
I
think,
there's
been
as
technology
has
changed.
I
think
there's
been
some
changes
in
the
usage
of
that
program,
but
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
check
back
and
follow
up
with
you
a
little
bit
later,
when
I
can
get
more
clarification
on
that.
Okay,
great.
Maybe
we
need
to
modernize
the
program
or
something
like
that,
so
we
can
find
that
out.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
gentlemen,
for
being
here
today.
We
appreciate
you
coming
in
and
giving
us
an
update.
My
question
is
around
revenue:
do
you
see
any
major
funding
challenges
coming
in
the
near
future?
For
the
commission,
perhaps
maybe
through
changes
in
federal
funding
or
potential
increases
in
expense?
E
L
We
don't
see
any
at
this
time
because
most
of
ours
comes
from
our
fees
and
the
federal
money
which
is
about
right
at
a
million
dollars
which
we
use
of
glass
pipeline
and
those
other
programs
don't
see
any
any
changes
at
this
time
and,
of
course,
in
the
future,
we
don't
we're
not
sure
whether
program
new
programs
will
come
out
either
from
the
federal
level
or
that
we
would
do.
L
But
if
it
relates
to
the
companies
that
we
regulate,
then
you
know
the
appropriate
fees
would
be
imposed
to
to
take
care
of
that.
E
Can
I
ask
resident
shaw?
Thank
you
just
one
more
quick
question:
I'm
looking
at
the
list
of
items
you
have
here
in
in
your
budget,
and
I
know
this
one
says:
telemarketing
registration
fees
do
not
call
program
like
269
thousand
eight
hundred
dollars
how's
that
charged
and
who
paid
those
fees.
If
I
could
ask
a
question.
B
I
A
L
Unfortunately,
unfortunately,
technology
has
made
it
so
that
I
mean
they
can
just
randomly
call
numbers
whether
that
and
not
even
know
who
it
belongs
to,
and
I
wish
I
could
tell
you
that,
there's
an
answer
to
it.
I
I
personally
believe
it's
at
the
the
telecommunications
providers
to
solve
that
problem
solve
the
problem.
A
Well,
it
obviously
is
a
problem
as
all
of
us
in
the
audience
anybody
listening,
I
don't
know
how
many
my
car
is
almost
10
years
old
and
has
150
000
miles
on
it,
and
people
still
want
to
sell
me
a
warranty,
which
I
probably
should
let
them
do.
A
L
A
A
L
A
But
at
any
rate
that
that
is
a
huge
issue-
and
you
know
my
mother
is
95
almost
96
lives
in
another
state,
but
the
issue
is
the
same.
She
has
the
landline
and
all
day,
long
she's
getting
up
and
down
answer
her
phone
for
you
know
those
kinds
of
calls,
so
it
definitely
is
an.
A
A
I
do
have
a
question.
I
know
that
you
all
you
know
a
large
part
of
the
work
that
you
do
is
with
the
gas
industry,
natural
gas.
You
know
in
our
state
and
we
have
seen
tremendous
increase
in
those
prices,
and
you
know
we're
all
seeing
that
on
our
bills.
My
gas
bill
this
past
month
was
higher
than
you
know.
It's
ever
been
before,
and
I'm
not
even
home.
L
A
A
Thank
you,
as
with
most
industries.
C
C
It
gives
us
an
annual
review
of
their
costs,
so
we
can
stay
on
top
of
it
as
opposed
to
a
company
that
doesn't
come
in
for
several
years
and
comes
in,
for
you
know,
20
or
30
percent
increase,
but
it
is
something
we
we
do
monitor
even
in
times
when
they
are
not
asking
for
increases,
and
we
do
look
at
the
prudency
of
those
costs
see
how
much
they
are
increasing
and
times
we.
We
do
disallow
costs
very
often
that
the
company
companies
ask
for.
L
A
Yes
understood
again,
I
just
know
that
everybody's
costs
are
increasing
the
cost
of
energy
and
with
what's
happening
in
the
world,
that's
not
going
anywhere
but
up
any
time
in
the
near
future.
So
we
appreciate
your
diligence
and
your
oversight.
Mr
hilliard,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
We
certainly
please
give
commissioner
hill
our
regards
and
our
wishes
for
a
speedy
recovery,
but
you
did
an
admirable
job
and
you
can
tell
them
that
we
said
so.
A
Finally,
on
our
schedule
today
we
have
our
treasured
treasurer.
I
believe
my
former
representative
rick
tillis
coined
that
face
so
in
his
honor.
We
will
welcome
the
treasured
treasurer
and
his
team
to
the
podium.
A
But
we
would
ask
you
to
just
go
ahead
with
your
presentation
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
F
F
You
should
have,
let's
see
if
we're
giving
out
the
lawrence
sheet.
Okay,
everybody
should
have
one
of
these
little
one
pagers
that
gives
the
treasury
department
at
a
glance
about
all
of
our
programs
and
it
notes
at
the
top
of
that
sheet.
The
treasury
manages
or
has
oversight
currently
on
any
given
day
of
approximately
99.2
billion
dollars.
So
we've
got
a
little
bit
going
on
each
day
on
your
behalf
and
everything
in
behalf
of
tennesseans
that
one
shooter
is
a
high
level
overview.
It's
taken
from
our
annual
report
dated
june
30
2021.
F
It's
been
sent
to
you
electronically.
This
last
fall
I'll
point
out
to
members
that,
if
you
would
like
copies
of
this
to
use
in
any
meetings
that
you're
at
or
anything
like
that,
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that.
Treasury's
economic
impact
to
the
state
was
over
12.3
billion
for
the
fiscal
year
into
june,
30
2021..
F
The
system
was
originally
founded
as
six
different
systems
back
in
1948,
but
it
was
consolidated
in
1972,
governor
winfield
dunn
signed
the
consolidated
retirement
act
of
1972,
passed
by
the
general
assembly
that
combined
the
administration
and
investments
of
seven
separate
pension
plans
into
the
tennessee
consolidated
retirement
system.
The
previous
separate
systems
were
the
teachers,
retirement
system,
the
state
retirement
system,
the
judge's
retirement
system,
the
attorney
general's
retirement
system
and
three
retirement
systems
for
county
paid
judges,
county
officials
and
public
service.
F
Commissioners,
tcrs
is
now
as
a
result
of
that
action,
one
of
the
strongest
public
pensions
in
the
country.
It
literally
was
one
of
the
events
that
put
us
on
the
path
to
where
we
are
today
to
being
one
of
the
best
funded
systems.
So
we
celebrate
50
years
of
financial
security
and
stability
for
the
tcrs
and
also
positive
impact
that
tcrs
provides
for
tennessee
and
its
citizens
to
for
us
to
better
understand
the
financial
contributions
tcrs
has
provided
with
tennessee.
F
We
worked
with
the
boyd
center
for
business
and
economic
development
research
at
ut
knoxville
on
an
economic
impact
study
that
was
sent
to
you
this
morning
electronically.
The
report
titled
economic
impact
of
the
tcrs
defined
benefit
plan
on
tennessee,
finds
that
job
benefit
retirement
benefits
paid
by
tcrs
increase
gross
domestic
output,
result
in
job
creation
and
increased
state
and
local
tax
collections.
F
The
treasury
department's
total
budget
request
for
fiscal
year,
22
2022
to
2023,
is
60
million,
330
thousand
five
hundred,
consisting
of
6.34
million
or
11
percent
funded
from
state
appropriations
and
53.98
million
or
89
percent
funded
from
revenues
generated
by
the
department.
The
treasury
department's
operating
cost
is
primarily
funded
through
fees
generation,
earnings
on
investments
managed
by
the
department
and
from
a
component
of
the
contributions
made
by
employers,
participants
and
agencies
in
the
various
programs
administered
by
the
department.
F
Second,
in
these
items
is
a
non-recurring
amount
of
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
request
to
conduct
a
job
analysis
and
salary
market
study
of
treasury
positions
and
a
recurring
amount
of
1.2
million
to
implement
market
salary
adjustment
recommendations
resulting
from
that
study.
Treasury
continues
to
compete
with
both
the
private
and
governmental
sectors
for
talented
professional
employees,
and
it
is
becoming
increasingly
more
difficult
for
treasury
salaries
to
be
competitive.
F
The
third
is
for
a
recurring
amount
of
state
dollars
in
the
amount
of
327
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
for
additional
funding
to
bring
the
office
of
the
state
architect
or
what
we
know
is
the
osa
to
an
appropriate
level
to
carry
it
loud
to
carry
out
the
responsibilities
that
have
been
assigned
to
it.
The
osa
was
transferred
to
the
treasury
department
from
fna
in
2016
and
is
funded
completely
from
recurring
state
appropriations.
F
Currently,
the
osa
had
received
prior
one-time
funding
from
capital
projects
in
fy,
2013,
2014
and
2016
for
the
establishment
of
various
programs.
This
funding,
however,
ceased
prior
to
osa,
transferring
to
treasury,
leaving
the
recurring
budget
for
osi
insufficient
to
support
the
additional
recurring
demands
of
these
programs
and
the
osa's
ability
to
provide
the
desired
level
of
support
to
the
state
building.
F
Commission
state
procurement
agencies,
designers
contractors,
as
well
as
the
state's
real
estate
portfolio,
that
continues
to
experience
growth
in
various
sectors
farther
than
last
is
the
recurring
amount
of
150
000
funded
from
the
tennessee
star's
college
savings
529
program
participant
fee
revenue
to
better
align
the
program's
recurring
base
budget
to
the
actual
projected
program
costs.
This
is
basically
just
truing
our
expenses
or
the
revenues,
rather
up
with
the
expenses
of
the
program
generated
from
its
own
revenue.
F
F
This
is
an
area,
that's
become
very,
very
volatile
in
the
state's
insurance
coverage
and
not
only
in
terms
of
cost,
but
also
in
terms
of
what
coverage
you
can
get
out
of
commercial
carriers.
We
proposed
in
the
general
assembly,
as
previously
approved
us
moving
into
a
self-insurance
mode
through
a
captive
insurance
entity
in
this
area,
and
we
look
forward
to
doing
that.
Based
on
this
appropriation
in
the
unclaimed
property
area,
cost
increase
for
a
recurring
amount
of
four
million
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars.
F
F
So
that's
also
something
that
will
be
before
you
and
the
non-recurring
general
state
appropriation
to
the
tcr's
legacy
plan
was
proposed
by
the
governor
in
his
budget
and
in
the
amount
of
350
million
dollars.
And
lastly,
the
term
I'll
mention
just
the
termination
of
the
best
prepaid
plan.
You
know
from
prior
remarks.
I've
made
this
was
a
goal
of
the
department
ever
since
I've
been
here
for
13
years
to
terminate
this
program
that
had
unlimited
tail
liability
to
the
state.
F
A
I
I
I
think,
as
it
relates
to
opeb
and
350
million
dollars
in
there
as
it
relates
to
retirement.
I
guess
the
question
is
is
after,
if,
if
the
general
assembly
sees
fit
to
go
ahead
forward
with
the
the
650
million
dollars,
where
would
that
put
us
in
standing
as
it
related
to
these
unfunded
liabilities?
In
these
two
categories?.
F
Well,
it
would
improve
it
because
the
among
the
legacy
plans,
the
the
the
state
plan,
is
about
102
funded.
Now,
roughly
the
teacher
plan
teacher
legacy
plan
is
more
funded.
It's
around
116,
I
think
so.
There's
a
dichotomy
between
those
two
plans
that
would
help
us
improve
the
funding
of
the
state
and
higher
ed
retirement
legacy
plan.
That's
the
main
area
for
it.
F
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
comments.
Treasurer
lillard,
I
guess
when
tcrs
and
the
investment,
when
tcrs
investments
do
better
than
expected,
then
that
means
that
different
departments
don't
have
to
contribute.
As
much
can
you
explain
maybe
how
that
that
would
work
with
a
budget
like
the
department
of
education's
budget.
B
F
The
highest
we've
ever
had
in
the
history
of
the
pensions
around
25
percent.
That
would
reduce
the
amount
of
the
increase
that
you
know
we're
seeking
this
particular
year.
So
that's
the
immediate
effect
of
that,
of
course,
also
an
immediate
effect
is
those
earnings
go
to
help
better
fund
the
system
on
the
actually
funded
percentages
that
I
just
read.
So
those
are
the
two
primary
impacts.
C
Okay
and
if
I
could
ask
just
one
more
question:
retirees
who
are
receiving
tcrs
retirement
benefits,
I
suppose
most
of
them
get
some
kind
of
cost
of
living
adjustment.
I
think
it's
probably
two
or
two
and
a
half
percent.
I
think
most
of
the
the
different
plans,
the
most
the
local
plans,
provide
that
maybe
not
all
is
that
amount
ever
adjusted
upward
when
we
have
higher
than
usual
rates
of
inflation.
Yes,.
F
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair
treasury
and
your
staff.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
appreciate
all
that
you
all
do
for
the
state
tennessee
and
the
money
that
you
all
manage
it's.
What
a
what
a
task
can
you
do
it
very
well,
you
mentioned
both
my
questions
and
your
opening
remarks,
one
the
captive
insurance
program
and
not
that
we
need
a
very
technical
definition,
but
possibly
those
folks
that
are
hearing
my
voice.
Don't
know
what
the
captive
insurance
plan
is.
So
if
you
wouldn't
mind
just
kind
of
telling
us
what
that
is
and
then.
P
Secondly,
my
question
is
really
around
what
that
program
is
doing.
You
mentioned
the
17
million
dollars
that
was
appropriated
non-recurring
to
for
the
captive
insurance
program.
So
can
you
provide
us
an
update
for
that
program
and
then,
which
programs
are
within
the
captain
captive
program
and
then
obviously
what
savings
have?
We
have
been
provided
to
the
state
of
tennessee
for
the
captive
program.
F
Let
me
start
off
and
stephen
summerall
is
assistant
treasurer
for
that
area.
We'll
talk
about
this
a
little
bit.
The
first
thing
is
the
definition
of
a
captive
captive
insurance
company
is
a
creature
of
state
law
in
tennessee
and
many
other
states
that
in
effect
allows
a
qualifying
entity
to
form
an
entity
that
goes
directly
to
the
market
and
procures
insurance
at
whatever
level
in
the
market.
F
In
other
words,
instead
of
going
to
an
insurance
agent
and
asking
for
a
quote
on
a
policy
or
whatever
else,
this
entity
has
authority
under
the
insurance
laws
of
the
state
to
go
directly
to
insur
re-insurers
in
the
market
or
other
after-market
insurance
companies
and
dealing
directly
with
them,
so
it
in
effect
cuts
out
the
middleman
and.
F
B
Yes,
sir
steve
summerhall
assistant
treasurer
for
program
services.
Last
year
there
was
an
appropriation
of
17
million
dollars
to
help
us
in
our
most
immediate
need,
which
was
our
property
program,
our
property
program
over
the
last
four
to
five
years,
the
insurance
premium,
the
insurance
market
hardened
significantly,
and
our
premiums
went
from
less
than
10
million
dollars
to
up
to
20
million
dollars.
B
Right
now,
and
so
we
were
looking
for
avenues
in
which
to
get
remedies
to
that
and
the
captive
was
a
solution
for
that
and
so
last
session
the
appropriation
was
17
million
dollars
was
going
to
help
us
establish
a
25
million
dollar
captive.
That
was
just
the
monies
that
were
need
to
to
facilitate
the
capitalization
of
it.
B
In
terms
of
where
we
are
right
now
it
is
going
to
be
launched,
we're
in
the
process
of
launching
it
right
now
we
issued
a
an
rfp
to
get
a
broker
and
captive
manager
and
that's
been
completed,
and
so
we
are
in
the
throes
of
a
kickoff
right
now
and
getting
that
set
up.
So
we
should
have
that
in
place
by
before
july,
1
well
before
july
1,
and
be
able
to
have
the
property
program
in
place
as
well
as
if
the
funding
is
is
approved
for
the
cyber
liability
as
well.
P
Thank
you
and
you've
led
me
right
to
my
next
question
regarding
brit
global,
which
I
believe
is
planning
on
getting
out
of
the
space,
probably
because
the
collected
premiums
are
outweighing
their
what
they're
paying
on
that
insurance
companies
don't
like
to
pay
as
much
as
they
possibly
can.
So.
The
the
budget,
I
believe,
is
6.8
million
dollars
for
this
particular
coverage
and
with
them
leaving
the
market.
My
question
is
around
that,
given
the
increased
instances
of
cyber
tax
in
the
public
entities,
can
can
you
all
provide
us
with
some
information?
B
Yes,
sir,
because
the
brick
global
is
our
current
carrier
for
cyber
and
they
alerted
us
and
our
broker
at
our
last
renewal
that
there
was
a
chance
they
were
exiting
the
market
altogether.
They,
I
don't
think
at
that
time
they
were
looking
for
any
new
business.
B
F
More
than
any
other
area,
cyber
is
the
one
that
has
changed
adversely
to
the
state
and
then
to
every
other
person.
It's
not
just
us,
but
out
there
in
the
market,
the
premiums
have
literally
gone
out
of
sight
and
the
coverages
have
largely
evaporated
where
you're
paying
a
lot
of
money
for
not
just
a
whole
lot
of
coverage
and
it's
true
of
individuals,
if
you
try
to
buy
some
kind
of
cyber
type
coverage
for
your
small
business.
So
it's
a
tough
tough
market.
F
A
Treasure
I
want
to
go
back
to
follow
up
on
chairman
williams
question
with
the
300
million
dollars
that
is
currently
in
the
governor's
budget
for
the
opeb
and
with
the
350
million
dollars
for
tcrs
to
deal
with
unfunded
liabilities.
A
F
A
F
Well,
and
and
also
I'll,
be
happy
to
get
you
information
and
send
it
to
every
member
of
the
committee
on
other
states
around
us.
I
don't
have
that
right
here
today,
but
suffice
to
say
we
are
currently
according
to
pew
charitable
trust
and
their
research,
we're
the
third
best
funded
pension
system
in
the
nation,
currently
on
the
numbers
that
I've
read
to
you
and
everything.
F
Right,
that's
right!
Prior
to
this
infusion,
I
will
comment
that
and
anytime
you
get
above
100
and
and
pension
plan.
Then
everybody
wonders
whether
we
need
to
put
any
more
money
in
etc,
etc.
My
answer
to
that
is
in
these
volatile
times,
given
the
amount,
the
fact
that
the
gross
liability
of
the
plan
is
the
largest
liability
that
the
state
has
by
far,
we
would
do
well
to
put
more
money
in.
In
my
view,
you
know
the
money
that's
been
proposed
in
the
governor's
budget.
I
Thank
you
and
kudos
to
you
for
just
being
the
person
who
blew
our
minds
today
as
it
relates
to
the
employment
benefits.
I
guess
the
question
would
be.
As
a
former
city
councilman,
there
was
a
concern
that
post
employment
benefits
were
underfunded
a
decade
ago
at
the
local
level.
Can
you
speak
to?
Where
are
the
average
or
where
we
are,
as
relates
to
local
governments?
I
I
guess
my
point
is
is
if
we,
if
we're
running
it,
108
percent
in
in
these
areas-
and
yet
our
locals
are
not
funded,
is
or
are
they
funded
better
now
than
they
were
a
decade
ago?.
F
F
Many
of
them
do
have
one
and
have
funded
it
to
varying
degrees.
Some
of
them
are
well-funded.
Some
of
them
are
not
well-funded,
and
then
we
have
some
other
entities
that
are
still
kind
of
on
a
pay-as-you-go
basis,
which
means
they
don't
have
a
trust.
So
it
just
depends.
We
can
get
you
a
list
if
you'd
like.
I
Is
there
I
feel
like
this
is
like
the
rainy
day
fund?
Is
there
a
number
somewhere
as
the
treasury
would
say,
this
is
a
good
percentage
to
be
at?
Is
it
110?
Is
it
125
percent?
Obviously,
it'd
be
great
if
it
was
125
and
it
was
all
based
upon
the
prowess
of
the
investments
that
your
team
has
done
over
time
and
grown
it,
but
I
guess
the
question
is:
is:
is
there
an?
Is
there
a
percentage
where
we're
comfortable,
saying
that
we've
done
all
we
can
do,
and-
and
this
is
good.
F
Well,
we're
not
at
that
percentage
right
now
I
can
say
that
chairman,
you
know.
I
think
that
a
further
infusion
is
appropriate
because,
again
taking
into
account
the
factors
that
this
is
the
largest
liability,
the
state
manages
the
pension
system
is
and
the
fact
that
it
is
such
a
long
lead
liability
in
terms
of
its
historical
horizon.
F
We
could
just
stop
right
here,
but
if
you
know
given
that
we
can't
say
that
we
don't
know
that,
because
the
system,
if
you
look
at
our
nominal
return,
we
have
had
some
years
where
we've
been
negative
on
our
returns
and
we've
had
others
where
we've
been
like
this
last
year,
been
wildly
successful
on
the
positive
side.
A
F
C
Thank
you
at
the
time
we
I
believe
we
were
under
100
slightly.
I
think
that
the
thing
that
brought
us
over
in
the
numbers
that
the
treasurer's
quoting
is
the
market
value
of
assets,
so
that
included
all
of
the
25
or
almost
13
billion
dollars.
That
was
added
to
the
plan
during.
A
I
I
Is
that
money
calculated
in
the
investment
growth
or
is
it
set
aside?
For
instance,
it's
not
okay.
I
just
had
a
question
about
that
because
that
250
million
dollars,
if
we
put
300
in
this
year,
then
we
could
expect
the
movement
to
be
similar
to
what
it
was
yes
last
year
as
it
relates
to
percent
change.
Well,.
F
That
would
depend
on
what
your
earnings
are,
for
instance,
this
year,
that
we're
currently
in
you
know,
because
to
give
you
an
example,
you
know
we
had
a
25
return
last
year,
phenomenal
years
I
said,
but
given
what's
going
on
right
now
in
ukraine
and
in
europe,
if
that
doesn't
go
well,
we
could
be
looking
at
a
loss
equal
to
that
amount.
You
know
so
you
just
never.
These
are
extremely
volatile
times
that
we're
now
in
and
it
can
change
on
a
dime
on
you.
Yes,.
A
All
right,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Thank
you
again
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
all
for
watching
so
carefully
over
the
pocketbooks
of
all
tennesseans,
particularly
those
who
are
invested
in
our
retirement.
Various
retirement
plans
across
the
state
do
a
great
job
and
we're
all
indebted
to
you.
So
thank
you.
Thank.