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House Finance, Ways, & Means Committee- March 8, 2021
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I'd
like
to
call
the
finance
ways
and
means
committee
to
order
for
monday
march,
8th
2021..
Mr
clark,
would
you
please
call
ralph.
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Thank
you.
Miss
we've
got
several
budget
hearings
scheduled
today,
it's
another
marathon,
so
I
hope
everybody's
had
a
good
weekend
and
and
ready
to
go.
We
have
first
up
the
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services
and
before
that
I
suppose
I
should
ask.
Are
there
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
from
anybody
in
the
committee
all
right,
seeing
none?
We
are
without
objection
out
of
session
and
we
would
invite
the
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services
and
our
very
shy,
commissioner
williams,
to
come.
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C
joining
me
are
ty
thornton,
chief
of
staff
and
hospital
administrations
down
at
the
end,
matt
yancey
to
my
right,
deputy
commissioner
of
community
behavioral
health
programs,
heather
gunderson
in
the
audience
deputy
commissioner
of
administrative
and
regulatory
services,
gene
wood
to
my
left,
our
budget
director
tauren
sloss
who's,
our
assistant
commissioner
of
substance,
abuse
services,
rob
cotterman
who's.
Our
assistant
commissioner
for
mental
health
services
and
matthew
parriet
who's,
our
director
of
communications.
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We
changed
procedures,
protocols,
instituted
safety
measures
and
we
stayed
open
fully
open
with
no
reduction
in
beds,
legendary
for
our
community
substance
abuse
and
mental
health
providers
who
serve
almost
400
000
tennesseans.
Every
year
they
turned
on
a
dime
effectively
efficiently
and
creatively
responded
to
the
needs
of
tennesseans
living
with
mental
illness
and
substance
use
disorders.
C
Words
cannot
convey
the
amount
of
gratitude
felt
for
tennessee's,
amazing
community
mental
health
substance
use
peer
family
and
faith-based
institutions
as
their
dedications
to
tennesseans
living
with
mental
illness
and
substance.
Use
disorder
has
made
all
the
difference
in
the
world
due
to
their
heroic
efforts.
We
stand
before
you
today,
knowing
that
this
work
has
changed
and
saved
lives
in
the
greatest
time
of
need
going
to
our
budget
slide.
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This
next
slide
is
fascinating,
because
for
the
first
time
in
my
career
and
I've
been
working
in
this
bill
for
30
years,
I
want
y'all
to
see
how
close
we
are
to
closing
that
gap
of
serving
tennesseans
that
are
uninsured
in
this
state.
Because
of
your
funding
for
the
safety
net.
You'll
see
that
the
estimated
is
about
forty
four
thousand
eight
hundred
last
year
because
of
the
safety
net,
we
serve
thirty
nine
thousand
one
hundred
of
those
tennesseans.
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Do
you
see
how
close
we
are?
It
is
amazing,
going
to
the
next
slide.
You'll
see
we're
not
as
close
on
the
substance
abuse
side
and
we
are
working
so
hard
through
our
budget
and
through
other
grant
dollars
that
we
go
after
to
meet
that
gap,
but
you'll
see
we
have
about
52
400
tennesseans,
struggling
with
substance
use
disorders
that
are
uninsured.
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They
rebound
to
normal
levels,
though,
by
summer
of
2020
and
telehealth
played
a
huge
part
in
our
ability
to
serve
tennesseans
you'll
note
that
hospital
reported
opioid
overdoses
actually
came
down,
they
spiked
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic,
but
have
come
down
and
then
you'll
look
at
our
slide.
That
shows
our
hospital
staff,
the
regional
mental
health
institutes,
who
have
performed
extraordinarily
during
this
pandemic.
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We're
proud
to
say,
has
the
majority
of
the
funds
in
services
94
of
our
dollars,
as
you
can
see,
by
that
inner
circle
go
to
services
and
those
services
are
in
the
community
through
our
community
mental
health
providers,
our
community
substance
abuse
providers
and
our
mental
health
institutes
down
at
the
bottom
you'll
see.
22
percent
of
that
funding
is
federal
funding.
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That's
due
to
the
hard
work
of
our
staff
that
go
after
every
dollar
that
they
can
to
bring
into
the
state
of
tennessee
to
help
leverage
our
precious
state
tax
dollars
to
serve
tennesseans
going
to
this
next
slide.
This
is
the
breakout
that
you
guys
have
of
our
budget.
You'll,
see
we're
asking
for
an
increase
in
the
safety
net.
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I'll
explain
that
in
a
minute
the
creating
homes
initiative,
residential
recovery
courts,
criminal
justice,
liaisons,
the
private
east,
tennessee
and
patient
cost
mobile
crisis
services,
rmhi
revenue
replacement
and
capital
improvements
for
a
grand
total
of
forty
four
million
forty
five
thousand
three
hundred
dollars
now
to
describe
those
proposals
briefly
on
the
safety
net,
it's
not
to
add
dollars
to
the
safety
net.
It's
to
increase
that
safety
net
of
services
for
kids.
That
is
the
focus,
so
it
will
expand
community-based
safety
net
type
services
to
serve
additional,
uninsured
kids,
who
have
a
serious
emotional
disturbance.
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The
creating
homes
initiative
would
allow
us
to
expand
that
very
successful
program
to
allow
those
that
are
diagnosed
with
mental
illness
and
or
substance
use,
who
are
coming
out
of
the
re-entry
population
to
be
able
to
access
safe,
affordable
quality,
permanent
housing.
Our
statewide
residential
recovery
courts,
as
you
all
know,
are
very
successful.
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Those
are
the
people
in
our
communities
that
work
with
your
local
jails
and
criminal
justice
individuals
to
be
able
to
coordinate
care
once
a
person
leaves
jail
and
hopefully
get
them
out
quicker
than
what
they
should
be
in
there
for
mobile
crisis
services.
We
have
13
mobile
crisis
providers.
This
would
allow
us
to
increase
their
service
delivery
by
354
000,
the
1
million
recurring
for
the
east
tennessee
private
inpatient
costs,
as
you
know,
we
close
lakeshore.
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This
will
allow
that
to
be
recurring,
you
put
it
in
year
after
year,
it's
been
non-recurring,
so
we're
now
asking
for
the
recurring
cost
there,
rmhi
revenue
replacement,
that's
recurring
funding
to
reflect
the
changes
in
our
patient
population
mix.
Since
we've
been
here,
we
have
seen
a
huge
increase
in
uninsured
tennesseans
that
are
in
need
of
inpatient
hospitalization.
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We
know
further
that
every
industry
sector,
family
faith,
school
and
community
has
been
touched
by
untreated
mental
illness
and
substance
use
addiction
for
which
there
are
evidence-based
prevention,
intervention
treatment
and
recovery
supports.
We
also
know
that
you,
the
members
of
the
tennessee
general
assembly,
governor
lee
and
his
team,
have
all
exhibited
both
in
word
and
deed.
Support
for
our
brothers
and
sisters
who
are
struggling.
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Our
budget
is
for
those
individuals
and
their
current
and
future
families,
communities
and
the
generations
of
tennesseans
to
come
a
future
of
hope,
healing
recovery
and
resiliency
for
all
a
future
that
we
all
will
be
proud
of,
not
just
for
government
to
solve,
but
in
public
private
partnerships
outcomes
based
with
one
another.
This
concludes
our
presentation
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
as
we
move
forward
together.
Thank
you,
madam
chairwoman.
A
Thank
you.
You
know
in
a
incredibly
challenging
time
to
see
that
we
have
not
cut
back
on
services
but
actually
been
able
to
provide
more
and
to
provide
them
more
effectively
through
things
like
telemedicine,
and
I
just
want
to
commend
your
department-
and
I
know
you
have
a
very
dedicated
staff
across
the
state.
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I
think
we've
all
been
impacted,
whether
or
not
we've
had
covid.
We
know
someone
who
has
and
we've
all
been
impacted
by
the
isolation
that
it's
cost
for
people
who
live
alone,
particularly
or
whatever
I
know,
that's
been
very
difficult
and
I'm
not
surprised
to
see
that
there
was
that
uptick
in
in
calls,
and
I'm
just
glad
that
we
as
a
state
were
able
to
provide
somebody
on
the
other
end
of
the
phone
to
to
help
people
through
that.
So
I
know
number
28
up
11
spots.
A
That's
amazing
puts
us
in
the
middle
of
the
pack,
and
I
know
that
we
would
all
like
to
tennessee
doesn't
like
to
be
middle
of
the
pack.
We're.
A
That's
right:
we
prefer
to
be
the
lead
dog
so
well
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
work
that's
been
done.
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions.
So
we'll
begin
with
those,
and
just
you
can
indicate
anyone
on
your
staff
or
whoever
wants
to
answer
them.
I
would
just
ask
for
staff
members
who
haven't
yet
spoken.
If
you
are
going
to
address
the
question,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
A
So
first
on
our
list,
chairman
hawk.
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Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
morning,
commissioner
williams,
thank
you
to
your
team.
You
mentioned
I've
got
a
couple
questions.
If
I
could
you
mentioned
the
east,
tennessee
private
inpatient
cost
support
the
one
million
dollars.
Thank
you
for
putting
that
in
the
budget
and
making
that
recurring.
So
we
don't
have
to
make
borrowing
still
for
that
budget
conversation.
So,
thank
you
very
much.
I
want
to
ask
you
a
little
bit
about
the
the
four
million
dollars
that
the
general
assembly
appropriated
for
transportation
of
health
patients.
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E
Yes,
sir
chairman
those
contracts,
my
understanding
are
being
executed.
We
work
collaboratively
with
the
office
of
criminal.
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Okay,
you
know,
if
I
could,
madam
chair,
if
we
could
get
an
update
on
that
and
maybe
get
that
to
the
chair
ladies
office,
that
that
would
be
good
absolutely.
I
would
appreciate
that
a
second
issue-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
personal
issue
that
I've
gone
round
and
round
with
that.
You
mentioned
the
closure
of
lake
shore,
I'm
concerned
that
we
don't
have
enough
long-term
residential
care
beds
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
both
through
the
publicly
funded
ones,
as
well
as
our
private
private
entities
who
are
in
this
business.
F
I'm
gravely
concerned
about
that,
and
I
know
the
last
decade
we
had
been
in
the
mood
to
close
facilities.
I
I
would
like
to
get
from
you
the
number
of
of
long-term
residential
beds.
We
have
in
the
state
of
tennessee-
and
you
may
have
the
number
now
for
for
moccasin
bin
and
the
other
grand
divisions,
as
well
as
the
private
care
providers,
the
ones
who
have
long-term
residential
care
in
the
private
care
business.
F
As
I'm
looking
at
the
number
of
individuals
served,
I'm
worried
about
the
number
of
individuals
unserved
and
the
challenges
that
we're
having
and
I
I
see
this
is
a
national
issue.
This
is
not
just.
This
is
not
just
a
tennessee
issue.
This
is
a
national
issue
where
I
think
we
have
a
deficiency
in
the
long-term
residential
care
and
I'd
love
to
get
those
numbers
for
you
in
the
future.
C
Representative,
do
you
mean
inpatient
hospitalization,
yes,
ma'am
all
right,
just
a
couple
things
I'd
like
to
say
to
you:
this
is
something
that
we've
been
tracking
ever
since
lake
shore
closed,
because
we
said
we
wanted
to
see,
does
it
get
worse
or
does
it
get
better
and
will
we
need
to
come
back
and
do
something
different?
I
will
tell
you
that
our
census
is
actually
not
as
high
as
it
was
when
lakeshore
existed.
C
I
will
tell
you
that
in
our
tracking
we
actually
have
seen
more
private
beds
come
on
board,
which
is
why
you're
not
seeing
a
backlog
in
the
public
system,
because
you've
got
a
private
public
system.
I
will
tell
you:
we've
got
that
information
and
it's
completely
laid
out
under
chief
of
staff,
ty
thornton's
area,
and
we
will
for
sure
get
that
to
you,
because
that's
been
very,
very
important
to
us.
A
Thank
you,
cheerleading
chairman
crawford.
H
G
Commissioner
williams,
glad
to
have
you
in
here
this
morning
I
had
a
question
off
the
questionnaire
that
we
provided
you,
you
indicated
a
1.36
million
dollar
balance
for
the
pre-arrest
version.
G
G
C
That
funding
no
longer
it's
over
that
grant's
over,
so
we
don't
have
continued
state
dollars
in
that
grant.
As
you
recall,
what
was
really
interesting
about
that
grant
was
the
ability
to
have
local
counties
and
cities
leverage
those
dollars.
That
was
a
really
great
thing
that
they
actually
got
leverage
dollars
and
those
programs
are
continuing
through
a
sustainability
model.
A
And
I'm
going
to
follow
up
with
a
question
or
mention
earlier.
The
capital
projects-
and
you
know
chairman
hawk-
has
a
specific
interest
in
lakeshore,
obviously
have
a
specific
interest
in
mocks
and
ben.
So
I
noticed
that
we've
got
five
million
dollars.
I
believe
you
sent
us
for
electrical
work.
Yes,.
C
A
And
I
also
know
that
we've
been
sort
of
patching
this
with
duct
tape
and
you
know
whatever
for
quite
some
time.
So
at
some
point
the
facility,
I
mean
it's
just
old
and
it's
going
to
have
to
be
either
replaced
or
you
know
so
much
work
done
in
remodeling.
You
may
as
well
call
it
a
replacement.
So
how
does
this
five
million
dollars?
Where
does
this?
This
get
us
down
the
road?
C
Well,
number
one:
I
want
to
say
that
our
staff
at
mogs
and
ben
have
been
amazing
at
doing
exactly
what
you
said:
keeping
that
place
together,
moccasin
ben's
over
60
years
old.
It
is
the
oldest
institute
that
we
have.
Every
other
institute
has
been
built
and
rebuilt
and
modernized.
C
Basically,
this
information
for
the
funding
shows
that
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
outages
with
mechanical
and
electrical
systems,
and
basically,
if
we
don't
have
that
working
and
operating
appropriately,
then
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
run
the
hospital,
because
the
systems
are
like
60
years
old
as
it
relates
to
where
things
are
with
this
as
a
rebuild.
This
is
something
that
we
will
be
talking
to
the
administration
about
next
year.
A
C
A
But
that
is
an
old
number,
as
you
said,
okay,
one
other
question,
then
I'll
quit
being
rude
and
get
back
to
my
members,
but
you
have
17
million
dollars
in
your
budget,
for
you
know,
maintenance
how
much
deferred
maintenance
do
you
have?
I
guess
discounting
moccasin
band,
which
we
could
say:
that's
a
deferred
maintenance
of
a
couple
hundred
million
dollars,
but
how
much
in
addition
to
that
would
they'll
be
out
there
after
this
allocation.
A
Thank
you
at
a
later
point.
Okay,
back
to
my
list
and
again
I
apologize
members
for
jumping
in
that
leader,
camper.
A
E
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you,
commissioner,
appreciate
your
presentation.
Can
we
go
back
to
the
children's
behavior
health?
Yes,.
E
Spoke
about
last
year,
the
budget
included
7.5
million
dollars
for
children
behavior
safe
health
safety
net.
E
C
Thank
you
so
much
for
asking
that
question.
That
project
has
gotten
off
to
a
really
slow
start
because
of
the
pandemic,
so
hiring
staff
at
the
local
providers
to
do
outreach
to
places
where
outreach
has
not
been
happening
because
either
schools
weren't
open
day.
Care
is
closed.
This
has
been
a
really
anomaly
of
a
year,
but
for
those
that
we
have
served,
I
believe
the
percentage
is
right
around
33.
C
At
this
point
I
would
really
like
to
come
back
next
year
and
have
hopefully
a
better
year
and
see
what
happens
with
that,
but
I
think
it's
around
33
percent.
E
E
C
C
We
know
that
in
order
to
stop
and
intervene
well,
if
you
had
a
staff
person
from
a
local
community
mental
health
center
that
was
assigned
to
that
emergency
department,
just
like
we've
been
doing
on
the
adult
side
that
we
really
could
get
kids
connected
to
care.
That's
one
service
that
might
be
available
through
these
funds.
Another
service
that
might
be
available
through
these
funds
is
the
school-based
behavioral
health
liaisons.
C
C
So
the
other
thing
that
we
would
like
to
do
is
allow
local
education
groups
and
schools
and
mental
health
centers
to
come
together
and
say:
do
we
need
one
more
or
two
more
or
three
more
so
what
we
were
envisioning
is
something
that
would
be
based
on
the
need,
but
we're
not
going
to
expand
the
safety
net
because
we
have
enough
dollars
for
the
uninsured
for
the
treatment
side.
These
are
other
safety
net
type
services.
Okay,.
E
A
C
C
E
C
C
They
have
a
different
way
to
get
into
services,
we're
talking
about
poor
kids,
who
don't
have
a
person
to
help
intervene
and
do
a
complete
assessment
for
them
to
help
their
family
and
what
we're
so
excited
about.
This
program
is,
for
the
first
time
in
this
state
for
uninsured
kids
and
their
families.
Y'all
have
allowed
funding
that
wraps
around
that
whole
family
you've
got
the
safety
net
for
adults.
If
you
recall,
we
served
almost
40
000
adults
last
year
through
that
that
means
parents
that
are
struggling
can
be
better
for
their
kids.
C
A
Absolutely
later,
lambert.
J
Thank
you
so
very
much
for
your
work
and
for
years
I've
asked
every
single
year
since
I
got
to
the
legislature-
and
you
know
where
I'm
going
with
this-
the
numbers
for
inpatient
treatment
and
I
notice
your
budget
presentation
again.
You
know
we're
investing
in
inpatient
treatment
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things.
I
keep
these
pages
on
in
a
file
that
I
can
easily
access
just
to
look
at
this
every
now
and
again
remember.
J
I
think
it's
something
we
should
all
look
at
look
at
in
2012
and
I
asked
for
these
numbers
in
13.
that
was
shortly
after
I
was
elected
legislature.
Opioids
were
this
is
inpatient
treatment
for
those
that
state
dollars
taxpayer
dollars
go
to
folks
that
have
went
into
inpatient
treatment.
Opioids
there
was
about
4147
folks
that
went
in
to
get
inpatient
treatment
for
addiction,
opioids
alcohol
was
just
over.
Four
thousand.
J
Marijuana
was
just
over
two
thousand
now,
if
you
fast
forward
a
couple
of
years
and-
and
I
appreciate
your
office
providing
these
numbers,
unfortunately,
in
2015
opioids
were
still
on
top
4
200..
Now,
look,
that's
almost
exactly
like
it
was
in
2012..
So
population
went
up,
opioid
number
of
people
that
were
going
in
for
impatient
treatment
had
been
about
the
same
alcohol
was
actually
down,
it
was
at
3,
700
and
marijuana
was
about
1600.
J
J
Commissioner
again,
whatever
comment
you'll
make
on
this,
please
do,
but
I
just
want
to
highlight
this
is
why
it's
so
needed
the
budget
that
we're
we're
investing
here.
Let
me
tell
you
about
2020.,
so
remember
in
in
2012
opioids
about
4
200
folks,
inpatient
treatment,
you
know,
2015
similar
number
alcohol
marijuana
all
three
right
there
at
the
top
in
2020
10
800
people
went
in
for
inpatient
treatment
to
opioid
opioids,
almost
11
000
people
consistently
4
000
a
year
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
11
000
people
for
inpatient
treatment.
J
Marijuana
jumped
up
to
6700,
went
from
literally
2200
1600
to
6700,
for
addiction
to
marijuana,
went
in
for
inpatient
treatment.
Methamphetamines
has
jumped
from
2012
being
689.
I
didn't
bother
to
mention
that
one
a
while
ago,
689
people
in
2012
members
and
friends,
methamphetamines
were
6600.
People
last
year
went
into
inpatient
treatment
for
addiction
to
methamphetamines.
J
It
passed
alcohol
for
the
first
time
and
oh
by
the
way,
don't
let
it
off
the
hook,
because
alcohol
was
at
6500.
Every
single
category
went
up.
So
this
is
a
wide
and
wise
investment
of
our
dollars,
but
I
would
ask
you,
commissioner,
please
continue
to
keep
us
educated
on
ways
that
we
can
try
to
keep
folks
out
of
inpatient
treatment
and
intervene
on
the
front
end,
because
the
world's
telling
people
just
use
whatever
you
want
to
there's.
No
there's
no
ramifications
you're,
never
going
to
get
addicted
to
any
of
these.
J
You
know
substances,
but
obviously
folks
are
going
in
for
inpatient
treatment
and
numbers
like
we
have
never
seen
before.
So
is
there
anything
else
that
we
can
be
doing
to
support
your
mission
through
this
budget
or
through
our
policies?
That
just
top
of
mind
you
know,
is
there
anything
else
that
we
can
do,
because
these
numbers
are
not
sustainable
and
especially
those
top
three
categories?
They
are
going
to
result
in
folks
dying,
especially
those
that
don't
seek
inpatient
treatment.
So,
commissioner,
what
else
can
we
do.
C
Well,
one
thing
that
y'all
have
done
that
again
has
has
totally
benefited.
Thousands
of
tennesseans
who
got
into
treatment
is
the
funding
of
the
tennessee
recovery.
Navigators
you've
allowed
us
to
put
people
in
emergency
departments.
These
are
individuals
that
had
two
years
or
more
of
recovery,
and
I
can
tell
you
when
somebody
talks
to
somebody,
that's
in
recovery
and
says
I've
been
where
you've
been,
that
goes
so
far,
and
I've
gotten
so
many
emails.
I've
talked
to
so
many
of
our
navigators
that
that
are
giving
back.
C
That
has
really
helped,
and
that's
a
unique
program
to
this
state
that
that
we're
very
proud
of
the
other
program
that
was
federally
funded
is
the
ropes
program
which
does
help
people
revive
after
an
overdose,
to
give
them
a
second
chance
at
life.
We
know
that
that
helps
and
then
finally
he
spoke
leader
about
prevention.
C
We
have
put
funds
every
year
into
prevention,
coalitions
across
this
state
to
try
to
work
on
the
grassroots
level,
about
whatever
is
going
on
in
that
community
related
to
what
happens
to
be
the
drug
of
choice
at
that
time.
Covet
has
hit
us
hard
because,
instead
of
addiction
coming
down,
you
saw
it
go
up.
Many
people
have
said
you
know,
I
just
decided
I
would
drink
more.
I
would
try
this
or
I'd.
Try
that
it's
been
horrible,
but
for
everything
that
y'all
have
funded.
C
A
C
Relapse
varies
from
person
to
person,
and-
and
I
haven't
been
a
clinician
myself,
what
I
know
is
so
many
factors
go
into
relapse
and
many
times
relapse
can
be
part
of
recovery.
C
If
the
people
around
that
individual,
especially
faith-based
communities,
don't
shame
or
blame
the
individual
and
say
hey,
you
just
got
to
get
back
up
and
try
again
that's
in
the
past.
Your
past
doesn't
define
you
today
forward
is
what
defines
you
so
on
the
relapse
rates
there
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff
national,
there's
stuff
prevalence.
I
I
would.
C
A
Yeah,
if
we
could
look
at
the
rates
and
also
if
we
have
people
who
are
you,
know,
multiple
inpatient
sessions,
you
know
they're
they're
in
or
in
recovery
and
then
relapse
enough
that
they
have
to
be
back.
I
know
people
fall
off
the
wagon
if
you
will
and
and
maybe
they're
able
to
get
back
up
with
the
help
without
being
impatient
again.
But
if
we
could
just
have
some
information
on
are
those
numbers
that
the
leader
quoted
or
those
all
first
time,
one
time
or
some
of
those
repeats?
If
you
will
we'll.
A
Okay
and
chairman
crawford,
I
believe
you
had
a
follow-up
on
that
yeah.
G
I
just
wanted.
Maybe
the
leader
can
provide
a
little
bit
more
information
about
his
statement
there.
The
number
one
was
the
opioid
issue.
Can
you
does
that
include
prescriptions
and
fentanyl
and
everything
into
that
one?
Lump
sum.
C
E
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Commissioner,
can
you
walk
us
through
just
a
point
of
concern?
I
I
know
like
if
we
were
downtown
nashville
and
we
were
just
seeing
an
abandoned
child.
We
know
like
what
would
happen.
You
know
the
police
would
come
fire
department,
ems.
They
would
check
on
that
child
when
we
talk
about
safety
nets,
but
when
we
see
like
our
citizens
that
are
elderly
who
are
obviously
struggling
with
mental
illness
who
are
homeless
on
the
street,
whose
job
is
that
to
kind
of
render
aid
or
specifically
reach
out,
there's
one
lady.
E
C
I
so
appreciate
you
asking
that
question.
I
started
my
career
in
memphis
30
years
ago,
as
a
homeless
case
manager
funded
through
federal,
grant
called
the
path
grant
it's
our
job,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
about
three
months
ago
I
got
a
call
from
a
citizen
who
knows
me
and
said:
there's
a
homeless
woman,
that's
out
here
at
mcdonald's
and
it's
freezing
and
I've
gone
by
and
she's
there
and
I've
gone
by
enough
better.
Can
you
help,
I
said
absolutely.
C
I
called
the
assistant
commissioner,
rob
cotterman
who's
in
our
audience.
He
had
the
path
case
worker
go
out
to
that
mcdonald's,
that
woman
got
into
treatment.
That
woman
is
doing
better
because
I
actually
asked
assistant
commissioner
cotterman
about
it
not
long
ago.
That's
our
job
and
we
have
funds
to
do
that
through
our
local
community
partners
and
again,
I'm
so
glad
you
asked
that
I
know
that
job
inside
and
out,
because
I
did
it
so.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
morning,
commissioner,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
let
me
let
me
start,
I
kind
of
like
give
people
flowers
while
they
live.
Let
me
let
me
start
by
telling
you
how
much
I
appreciate
you
working
to
remove
the
stigma
of
mental
health.
G
You've
really
done
a
great
job,
and
I
really
appreciate
that
very
much.
You
mentioned
western
mental
health,
which
is
my
little
pet
peeve
a
little
baby.
Are
you
moving
the
new
kitchen?
Thank
you
for
what
are
is
that
gonna
be
in
the
new
building
or
is
going
to
be
replaced
in
the
old
building
where
it
is
now.
C
That
is
such
a
great
question
and
I
don't
have
whether
it's
in
the
new
or
the
old
heather
is
it
going
to
be
in
the
new.
C
G
It's
a
new
kitchen,
but
it's
in
the
same
building
where
it
is
now
is
what
I'm
asking
yes,
sir
okay,
what
about
the
administration
building
now?
I
know
it's
on
our
registry
and
I
know
that
it
it's
been
in
badge.
Is
it
stabilized
permanently
or
we
have
to
do
anything
else
to
it
to.
C
It's
stabilized
as
it
can
be.
As
you
know,
we
went
out
with
a
department
of
general
services
and
commissioner
branscom
and
looked
at
that,
and
they
put
together
some
estimates
and
those
estimates.
I
cannot
recall
the
actual
number
to
do
anything
with
that,
but
it
is
as
stabilized
as
it
can
be
for
right
now,.
G
G
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
want
to
thank
zach
blair
back
there
as
well
the
late
rod,
bragg
and
I
were
on
a
little
show
with
channel
five
years
ago.
Talking
about
these
things
and
sadly
you
know
y'all
lost
him.
That
just
shows
the
seriousness
of
mental
health.
I
wanted
to
read
you
off
a
letter
that
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
we
put
together
a
mental
health
and
town
hall,
opioid
crisis
event
at
parkway
baptist
church
had
110
people.
K
G
Up,
but
this
was
from
dr
linda
gilbert,
sadly,
she
passed
away
last
year.
She
was
a
school
director,
great
lady,
but
what
she
said-
and
this
is
her
last
email
that
she
sent
to
me
just
says-
the
behaviors
of
our
six
to
nine
year
olds
are
nothing
like
we've
ever
seen
before.
They
are
inordinately
disruptive
and
aggressive,
and
while
we
are
bringing
all
our
resource
into
play,
there's
no
place
for
these
children
to
go
and
be
assessed
and
be
treated.
G
What
are
you
seeing
with
this?
Any
progress
that
we've
made
to
deal
with?
What,
like
I
said,
this
was
the
last
email
she
sent
me
before
she
passed
away.
C
I
want
to
say
I
I
got
to
meet
her
and
talk
with
her
before
she
passed
away.
We
had
an
unbelievable
meeting.
I
was
just
asking
matt
if
I
had
the
right
name,
because
sometimes
I
don't
do
well
with
names.
C
She
was
so
excited
about
the
children's
behavioral
health
safety
net
because
she
knew
that
if
we
could
have
services
to
uninsured
kids,
she
said
that
mainly
the
insured
kids.
They
were
able
to
help
get
services,
but
it
was
uninsured,
kids
and
underinsured
kids
that
they
had
a
problem
with,
and
she
also
I
want
you
to
know
during
the
covet
pandemic
with
our
hospital,
she
went
and
met
ty
thornton,
our
chief
of
staff,
and
gave
us
thermometers.
C
C
I
am
so
sad
that
she's
not
with
us
anymore,
but
I
can
guarantee
you
she
would
say
every
investment
you
make
for
kids,
where
we
can
treat
and
intervene
early
rather
than
later
is
a
good
investment,
and
I
cannot
impress
upon
you
guys
enough
what
you
have
done
in
this
state
to
allow
our
providers
to
wrap
around
a
family
and
you
think
about
it.
Poor
kids,
I
mean
it
allows
the
ability
to
move
forward
because
you
have
funded
that
ability
to
get
services
to
that
kid
in
that
family.
C
So
thank
you
for
for
bringing
her
up.
G
Friday
night,
I
want
to
disappear
with
the
committee
friday
night
I
spent
spent
the
night
at
vanderbilt
er,
a
mother
had
called
me
and
her
daughter
had
passed
away,
overdosed
and
probably
spent
about
four
hours
over
there.
Pretty
sad
situation.
That's
the
second
time
I've
had
them.
I've
had
kind
of
deal
with
those
issues
like
that,
but
I
appreciate
leader
lamberth
and
the
chair,
lady
for
their
passion
and
conviction,
because
I
think
most
lawmakers
up
here
care
if
they
don't
care
they
they
need
to.
C
You,
sir,
thank
you
representative,.
A
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
commissioner,
I
was
just
wondering
the
numbers
that
leader
lambert
was
reading,
I'm
looking
through
the
materials,
and
I
can't
find
them,
but
I
would
I
would
love
to
look
at
those
numbers
too,
and
I'm
wondering
you
know
there
are
people
in
our
community
who
they
don't
have
a
substance
abuse
problem.
They
just
have
severe
and
pervasive
mental
illness.
E
C
C
C
What
we
don't
know
representative
is
whether
or
not
the
coveted
impacts
that
we've
seen
of
high
anxiety,
high
depression
hopelessness,
whether
or
not
that's
going
to
impact
these
prevalence
data
numbers
and
have
them
go
higher.
So
it's
a
guess.
We
we
can't
know
that
and
then
representative,
when
you,
when
you
talked
about
the
numbers
that
leader
lambert,
has
what
you'll
see
here
is
the
total
number
served,
the
the
wrap-up
total
is
the
19851,
and
what
I'm
trying
to
point
out
to
everyone
is.
C
E
What
it
is
is
my
I
think
it's
displaying
funny
on
my
okay.
A
Commissioner-
and
I
have
a
follow-up
question-
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation
that
there
was
funding-
is
going
to
be
utilized
for
two
more
recovery
courts.
Yes,
ma'am,
can
you
remind
us
where
those
currently
exist
and
then.
C
C
What
we're
looking
at
is
data
to
determine
the
best
place.
To
put
the
other
two
we've
got
to
look
at
current
numbers
of
where
people
are
coming
from
that
need
recovery
courts
so
that
we
can
establish
that
residential
court,
where
the
people
are
we're
thinking,
it
may
be
east
tennessee
and
west
tennessee,
but
we
have
got
to
pull
those
numbers
and
see
what's
most
recent
to
determine
the
best
place
to
establish.
C
As
soon
as
we
get
the
funding,
we're
gonna
put
out
an
announcement
of
funding
to
the
local
communities.
I
I
can't
tell
you,
because
it's
gonna
depend
on.
Are
we
going
to
rehab
a
site?
Is
there
a
site
to
rehab?
C
Are
they
going
to
have
to
build
on
a
site?
So
it's
going
to
depend
upon
the
project.
It
will
depend
upon
what
is
going
to
happen
to
to
get
the
project
up
and
going.
A
I
don't
have
any
doubt
about
that
at
all.
Are
there
other
questions
from
the
committee.
A
A
That's
been
greater
than
mental
health
for
all
the
reasons
that
we
have
you
know
mentioned
ad
nauseam
up
here
and-
and
I,
like
you,
I'm
concerned
about,
even
as
we
sort
of
see
the
light
at
the
end
of
this
coveted
tunnel,
what
kind
of
long-term
impact
we're
going
to
be
seeing
from
people
who've
been
isolated
for
over
a
year,
who've
been
in
a
highly
anxious
state,
and
you
know
how
that
is
going
to
impact
behaviors
and
for
particularly,
I
think,
for
our
children.
A
I
don't,
I
really
don't
think
we
have
a
clear
idea
of
what
that
kind
of
isolation
for
children
have
been
home
and
not
in
school
and
not
out
interacting
how
that
is
going
to
play
into
their
both
their
behavior
and
their
social
development.
So
I'm
I'm
thinking
that
we're
going
to
need
you
all
more
than
ever,
and
we
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
thank.
A
Care
we
will
have
just
a
short
cleanup
break
and
next
we
will
have
in
front
of
us
department
of
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities.
Commissioner
turner
will
be
up
next.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
if,
if
you're,
if
you're
ready,
we
will,
we
will
begin.
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
being
prepared
we're.
Let
the
record
show
we're
five
minutes
ahead
of
schedule.
So
if
you
can
give
us
another
five,
yes,
we
might
actually
get
time
to.
L
Get
some
extra
coffee,
yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
and
good
morning
committee.
I
certainly
appreciate
the
privilege
we
have
to
be
here
to
my
left.
I'd
like
to
introduce
deputy
commissioner
andy
kidd
on
my
fiscal
and
administration
side
and
to
my
right
is
deputy
commissioner.
Jordan
allen
with
our
program
operations
team.
What
I'd
like
to
do
very
quickly
is
kind
of
highlight
the
impact
that
covid
has
had
on
our
customers
that
we
have
the
privilege
to
serve
here
in
tennessee.
L
We
developed
reporting
process
for
covid
positive
persons
that
are
being
supported
and
staff
that
are
responsible
for
providing
those
services
and
then,
in
collaboration
with
team
and
we've
coordinated
for
ppe
acquisitions
and
distribution
products
out
to
our
providers
for
testing
our
drive-through
provider,
location,
statewide
specific
for
person
supported.
L
We
initiated
that
relatively
early
on
my
clinical
director,
dr
bruce
davis,
worked
very
closely
with
the
department
of
health
to
create
pop-up
sites
for
drive-through
locations
for
testing.
We
coordinated
with
the
department
of
health
and
tima
to
administer
those
tests.
So
again,
commissioner
piercy
and
her
team,
along
with
team,
have
been
exceptional
partners
in
helping
us
get
the
testing
done
on
telehealth.
We
implemented
telehealth
less
than
a
month
after
the
first
positive
test
of
covid
was
discovered
in
tennessee
on
april
11
2020,
and
then
to
help
with
that.
L
We
distributed
tablets
to
all
of
the
community
homes
to
ensure
that
telehealth,
as
well
as
virtual
visits
for
family
and
friends.
Obviously
a
big
part
of
that
story
is:
it
relates
to
a
person's
support
of
being
able
to
see
family
and,
as
you've
heard
in
nursing
homes
and
other
challenges
in
the
pandemic.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
some
normalcy
for
our
population
as
they
could
visit
with
family
and
friends
inside
teis
tennessee
early
intervention
services
provided
primarily
through
tele
intervention
right
now.
L
Obviously,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
only
protecting
those
who
serve
inside
teis,
but
the
families
and
the
children
that
we
visit
inside
that
program.
The
service
coordination
visits
are
being
conducted
remotely
and
our
center-based
services
are
incrementally
resuming
in-person
intervention
services.
This
is
an
area
that
was
extremely
important
to
us.
L
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
those
families
that
felt
their
child
would
needed
to
receive
services
in
an
in-person
setting,
because
of
the
benefit
of
that,
we
started
to
incrementally
figure
out
ways
to
resume
that,
so
those
children
can
get
back
into
service
centers
to
to
provide
services
to
them.
Our
vaccine
response,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
really
proud
of
tennessee
was
the
first
state
in
the
country
to
prioritize
people
with
intellectual
developmental
disabilities
and
its
vaccination
plan.
L
We
were
extremely
aggressive
with
the
department
of
health
on
how
that
rollout
needed
to
look
and
what
we
needed
to
do
and
as
a
result
of
that,
tennessee
became
the
first
state
to
help
prioritize
a
person
supported
into
the
181
phase
of
the
vaccination
rollout
in
tennessee
and
then
just
a
little
bit
of
an
offshoot
of
that.
Over
the
last
three
months
inside
our
community-based
homes,
we
have
seen
a
significant
decrease
of
almost
84
percent
of
persons
supported
and
staffed
that
have
tested
positive
for
covets.
So
we're
definitely
moving
towards
the
tail
end
of
this.
L
But
we're
obviously
going
to
be
extremely
careful
in
what
we
do
inside
the
disability
community
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
The
death
rate,
unfortunately,
for
coat
has
been
three
and
a
half
times
as
high
as
it's
been
has
been
for
traditional
population
and
traditional
community.
So
we
want
to
be
very
safe,
but
at
the
same
time
we
want
to
allow
them
to
get
back
to
the
jobs,
get
back
into
the
community
and
continue
to
live
the
lives
that
they've
envisioned
for
themselves
and
then
finally,
didd
connects
weekly
with
our
stakeholders.
L
So
we
work
very
closely
with
our
provider
network
during
commissioner
office
hours.
They
have
a
chance
to
pre-submit
questions
to
me
and
my
executive
team,
and
we
work
with
them
to
answer
those
questions
and
provide
feedback
and
follow
up
for
any
of
the
items
that
might
be
of
significant
challenge
to
our
private
providers
and
every
week
we
generally
have
more
than
500
people
that
are
in
attendance.
So
we've
had
a
good
turnout
with
that.
M
Thanks,
commissioner,
again
andy
kidd
deputy
commissioner
for
didd,
I'm
going
to
go
over
a
quick
overview
of
the
department's
funding,
starting
with
positions.
As
you
can
see
on
the
slide
through
fiscal
year,
18
1920,
we
were
right
around
the
the
1450
to
1500.
in
fiscal
year.
21
we
jumped
up
to
1779
but
to
be
clear,
that's
the
transfer
of
the
tennessee
early
intervention
system
from
the
department
of
education
to
didd.
So
those
were
not
new
positions
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
for
fiscal
year,
22
it's
a
decrease
to
1763..
M
M
The
next
slide
is
our
recommended
budget
by
program.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
each
of
these
programs.
I
know
the
committee's
very
well
aware
of
what
we
do
in
the
department,
but
did
want
to
highlight
the
administration
which
has
gone
down
from
last
year.
Last
year
it
was
3.8
percent
this
year,
it's
3.5
percent,
that's
something
that
we
take
very
seriously
and
look
at
every
year
to
ensuring
that
the
administration
costs
are
correct
in
the
department
again,
the
total
budget
is
976.4
million.
M
So
the
next
slide
we
have
is
the
fiscal
year.
22
cost
increases
the
first
one
is
for
the
direct
service
professionals,
and
this
is
to
increase
the
hourly
wage
from
ten
dollars
to
ten
dollars
and
fifty
cents.
Over
the
last
several
fiscal
years,
we've
been
continually
incrementally
sorry
increasing
that
cost
throughout
the
the
last
few
years
and
that's
from
around
eight
dollars
and
now
we're
up
to
ten
dollars
the
current
fiscal
year,
we're
going
to
ten
dollars
and
fifty
cents
for
this
future
fiscal
year.
M
K
Good
morning,
members
of
the
committee,
jordan,
allen
deputy
commissioner
of
operations,
so
our
telehealth
services,
as
was
indicated
by
commissioner,
it
became
apparent
to
us
while
we
were
already
considering
how
telehealth
may
interact
with
our
population.
The
onset
of
coven
greatly
accelerated
that
telehealth
services
now
are
are
being
utilized
across
all
of
our
direct
service
orientation.
So
we
have
people
in.
K
In
fact,
we
have
data
that
shows
the
prevention
of
emergency
room
visits
and
other
benefits
to
that
program
that
that
we
would
have
discovered
over
the
next
18
months
or
two
years,
but
we
now
have
discovered
very
rapidly
because
of
the
onset
of
covid
at
this
point
that
that
telehealth
option
has
been
extended
to
our
entire
community.
K
So
nearly
12
500
people
across
the
state
now
have
availability,
we're
doing
training,
consultation
and
everything
we
can
to
get
our
community
in
the
private
area
to
utilize
telehealth
at
the
same
rate
that
we've
now
demonstrated
internally
has
benefit
for
the
people
that
we
support.
M
Thank
you,
jordan.
The
next
line
item
is
tennessee
believes,
which
is
an
increase
in
recurring
funds
for
school
grants.
These
are
as
they
are
grants
for
schools
so
that
they
can
increase
assistive
technology
guidance,
counseling
things
like
that
for
folks
with
idd
that
want
to
attend
post-secondary
education.
M
M
The
next
slide
item
is
actually
in
tencare's
budget.
This
is
the
employment
and
community
first
choices.
We
we're
receiving
300
new
slots
for
folks
for
ecf
again
that's
in
tenncare's
budget,
but
did
want
to
highlight
that
for
the
people
we
support.
M
We
have
a
vacant
positions
that
we
eliminated
through
in
our
administrative
line
item
and
then
we
also
eliminated
some
operational
grants
and
subsidies
in
our
community
services
area,
and
then
we
reduced
our
bed
capacity
for
the
harold
jordan
center
and
that's,
as
you
see,
line
item
number
three
there
and
then
number
four
was
around
equity
and
then
operational
savings
in
the
regional
offices
and
then
the
last
page
is
our
capital
funding,
and
this
is
a
middle
tennessee
regional
office
and
that's
the
essential
maintenance.
M
A
We're
going
to
give
you
all
sorts
of
extra
points
for
that.
Thank
you
very
much
for
a
very
concise
report.
We
do
have
some
questions,
as
you
might
imagine,
because
there's
a
I
think
you
know
from
previous
experience
and
your
staff.
Certainly
would
this
committee
has
taken
a
very
deep
interest
in
didd
for
some
time.
We
continue
to
do
that.
A
I
say
it
every
year.
So
I'll
say
it
again.
These
are
truly
our
most
vulnerable
citizens
and
they
are
those
to
whom
we
are
called
to
care
and
to
make
sure
that
they're
cared
for,
so
we
want
to
help
make.
I
know
that
that's
the
goal
of
your
department
as
well,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
as
a
state
are
doing
all
that
we
can
to
support
that
effort
in
a
way
that
makes
financial
sense
for
everybody.
Obviously,
so
with
that
chairman
baum.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
commissioner
turner
to
our
hearings.
Folks
in
this
room
may
not
know,
but
commissioner
turner
and
I
were
elected
to
the
rutherford
county
commission
together
in
2010
and
served
eight
years
together
and
I
can
speak
from
personal
experience.
Brad
cares
a
lot
about
children
with
disabilities
and
children
in
general,
and
so
it's
nice
to
know
somebody.
That's
such
a
good
person
and
famous.
J
I've
got
two
questions
for
you.
The
first
one
is
on
the
katie
beckett
program.
The
state
is
providing
about
27
million
dollars
a
year
to
help
about
3,
000
individuals
and
I'm
curious
to
know
what
the
enrollment
and
application
levels
currently
are.
I
think
the
last
figures
that
I
I
heard
were
that
about
900
people
had
applied
about
400
people
were
in
the
process
of
being
served.
Is
that
are
those
current
or
do
you
have
updated
numbers?
Yes,.
L
Sir
they're
a
little
bit
higher
now
right,
around
950
and
I
think,
have
been
shown.
Interest
in
450
are
actually
enrolled
in
the
program
and
I'll
defer
to
deputy
commissioner
allen
for
that.
But
I
also
wanted
to
kind
of
touch
on
that
representative
baum.
L
I
want
you
to
know
that
not
only
is
it
serving
tennesseans,
but
it's
also
saving
families
in
a
very
traditional
manner
where
they
feel
like
they're,
getting
help
and
they're
seeing
government
work
for
them.
So
I
we
take
great
pride
in
that
and
I
hope
the
committee
does
as
well
and
I'll
defer
to
deputy
commissioner
allen
on
some
more
of
those
statistics.
K
The
numbers
are
just
a
little
bit
higher,
as
commissioner
was
indicating.
As
of
this
morning,
we
were
at
947,
processed,
enrollments
and
456
that
were
actually
enrolled.
We're
we're
seeing
a
steady
stream
as
we
hoped
we
would
and
with
a
new
program.
You
never
know
exactly.
K
We
built
it
for
a
year
while
we
were
waiting
cms
to
say
yes,
but
you
never
know
exactly
how
the
intake
systems
are
going
to
work
on
the
ground
and
we've
been
very
pleased,
as
commissioner
noted
we're
we're
maintaining
community
contact
with
stakeholders,
moms
and
dads
who
have
people
already
enrolled
or
who
are
going
through
the
enrollment
process
and
taking
real-time
feedback
to
make
adjustments
as
kind
of
on
the
fly,
and
that's
really
benefited
us
to
date.
So
I
I
think
we're
pretty
happy
with
the
way
it's
rolled
out
thus
far.
L
Vice
chairman,
one
thing
I
might
add
to
that
that
we're
working
on
also
is,
as
we
have
the
teis
program
established
under
our
department-
that's
a
natural
segue
for
some
of
these
parents
and
the
children
that
are
the
three
that
are
eligible
for
teis
to
migrate
onto
the
katie
beckett
waiver.
So
we're
working
through
that
right,
now
figuring
out
ways
how
to
make
it
as
seamless
as
possible
for
point
of
participate
in
the
katie
beckett
waiver
as
they
shift
out
from
the
teis
program.
J
And
thank
you
for
your
good
work
on
that.
My
second
question
has
to
do
with
hazard
pay
tenncare
and
your
department
have
partnered
together
to
provide
hazard
pay
for
dsp
workers
who
are
treating
individuals
who
have
coveted
with
disabilities.
M
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Quick
answer
is
no.
We
ran
out
of
those
funds
around
july
of
last
year,
so
we
paid
that
out.
We
had
500
000
that
were
allocated
for
the
hazard
pay.
We
started
that
I
believe
18th
and
it
lasted
through
around
july
24th.
So
we
no
longer
have
additional
funds
for
hazard
pay.
M
A
Next
on,
my
list
is
chairman:
woodson,
the
father
of
katie
beckett
in
tennessee,
so
chairman
winston.
N
Thank
you,
chair,
lady,
and
good,
seeing
you,
commissioner,
and
your
team.
I
know
y'all
do
so
much
for
so
many
folks
in
our
state
and
those
who
really
really
y'all
have
really
made
a
difference
for
so
many,
and
I
hear
about
it
all
the
time
and
it's
greatly
appreciated
chairman
bond
kind
of
covered
some
of
my
questions.
I
appreciate
that,
but
and
what
I
really
like
about
what
y'all
did?
L
Yes,
sir,
and
thank
you
chairman
woodson
for
the
comment,
the
question.
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
I
meet
every
week
with
our
katie
beckett
team,
and
I
really
the
core
of
that
meeting
for
me
is
figuring
out.
How
do
we
get
government
out
of
the
way
and
allow
services
to
be
delivered
directly
to
the
consumer?
L
The
things
that
we
run
into
are
there
questions
about
the
application
process?
Are
there
misunderstandings
about
eligibility
if
there
are?
Is
that
something
we
did
or
is
that
something
that
we
need
to
work
with,
tenncare
or
even
with
cms,
on
creating
a
system?
That's
much
more
easy
to
be
able
to
be
navigated
and
requirements,
and
things
like
that
that
we
might
be
able
to
include
so
more
tennesseans
are
going
to
find
themselves
eligible
for
the
program.
L
So
I
think
that's
probably
at
the
core
and
the
heart
of
your
question
is:
what
are
we
learning
from
that
and
every
week
we
try
to
take
away
something
from
that
to
say,
but
what's
working
and
what's
not
working
one
of
the
things
for
me
that
I've
established
as
a
goal
for
myself
is
figuring
out?
How
do
we
get
the
approval
process
to
move
even
quicker
deputy
commissioner
allen
and
his
team
with
led
the
beau
hickman
have
done
a
phenomenal
job
on
implementing
the
program
across
the
state.
L
We've
got
to
figure
out
ways
to
continue
to
increase
efficiencies
and
make
sure
that
the
services
are
getting
those
families
inside
tennessee
that
need
it
as
fast
as
possible
and
not
allow
any
type
of
red
tape
or
some
sort
of
bureaucratic
mess,
prevent
families
from
getting
services,
and
that's
what
we're
committed
to
do
so
I'll
pivot
to
jordan.
If
he's
got
anything
to
add
to
that.
K
The
only
supplement
I
would
provide
is
as
you're
aware
on
the
front
end.
We
pulled
together
a
technical
advisory
committee,
and
this
was
physicians
with
specialty
in
providing
care
for
children
with
intellectual
developmental
disabilities,
advocacy
community
provider
agencies,
so
that
committee
helped
us
and
tenncare
develop
the
level
of
care
criteria,
we're
meeting
with
them
again
the
week
after
next,
and
do
so
incrementally.
This
will
be
the
first
meeting
post
implementation
to
do
just
what
you're
talking
about.
Let's
talk
about
how
things
have
gone,
let's
talk
about
where
adjustments
might
be
able
to
be
made.
K
The
feedback
that
commissioner
turner
referenced
is
ongoing
and
families
as
they
reach
out,
is
ongoing.
This
is
more
technical
advice
from
the
clinical
community
as
to
what
they're
seeing
on
the
ground
after
implementation.
So
that's
the
only
supplement.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you
and
you
know,
as
we
look
back
at
the
katie
beckett
waiver
process,
it
was
a
team
effort
with
the
disability
community,
your
team,
tenncare
and,
and
my
fellow
members
of
the
general
assembly.
We
could
not
have
done
that
without
that
synergistic
approach,
and
I
think
that
should
be
the
model
when
we
take
on
these
big
projects
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
O
Hey,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
for
being
here,
one
quick,
privileged
commissioner.
I've
got,
I
had
a
constituent
matter
come
up
last
week
and
I'm
so
glad
to
see
your
staff
actually
with
you
all
is
I
don't
know
if
you
live
in
my
district
or
not,
but
her
husband
brock
helps
me
in
my
gilles
full
baseball
as
an
umpire
in
gillesville
baseball.
O
So
I'm
so
glad
she's
here
today
and
so
glad
to
see
you-
and
I
had
a
a
mother
in
my
district
that
didn't
know
something
about
her
daughter,
one
quick
call
to
tyler,
and
actually
your
chief
of
staff
called
me
on
saturday
and
we
were
able
to
quickly
get
that
resolved.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
staff
that
you
have.
That
was
an
excellent
conclusion
to
a
little
bit
of
craziness
for
my
constituents.
So
I'm
glad
you
were
able
to
help
her
and
her
daughter
and
get
answers
to
her
properly.
O
So
thank
you
for
that.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
in
my
question
was
the
harold
jordan
center.
I
noticed
you
had
about
a
900
000
reduction.
That
facility,
in
my
understanding
that
facility
is,
it,
provides
some
intensive
care
for
those
residents
that
are
part
of
that
program.
And
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure,
or
at
least
ask
that
that
budget
will
do
or
that
that
amount
that
hundred
thousand
will
do
for
you
and
the
services
that
you
offer
for
or
in
that
facility
and
then
how
many
beds
typically
are
filled
for
that.
O
That
I
know
will
have
an
impact,
since
I
believe
you're
reducing
the
beds
there.
So,
if
you're
elaborate
that'd
be
great.
L
Certainly
two
things.
Thank
you
for
your
kind
comments.
Ashley's
been
great
for
us,
so
it's
probably
odd
when
you
see
a
familiar
face,
come
in
like
that,
but
she's
been
a
great
addition
on
our
team.
Second
part
of
that
before
I
pivot
to
deputy
commissioner
and
kid
on
your
question
about
harold
jordan
center.
I
this
is
another
thing,
I'm
very
proud
of
that
our
department
does
in
conjunction
with
the
legislature.
L
It's
really
the
only
facility
like
this
in
the
country
that
provides
these
type
of
really
deep
services
to
tennesseans,
to
desperately
need
it,
and
one
of
the
things
is
figure
out
areas
of
efficiency.
So
what
does
that
look
like
whether
it's
making
sure
that
we're
being
good
fiscal
stewards
or
whether
we're
increasing
services
in
the
need
over
there?
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
always
looking
at
that
very
similar
to
what
chairman
whitson
just
asked
us.
What
are
you
learning
from
that?
L
We
don't
believe
in
being
stagnant
without
observing
and
figuring
out
the
case
scenarios
and
how
to
continue
to
improve
efficiencies
and
increase
services
for
tennesseans.
So
there
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
an
impact
but
I'll.
Let
deputy
commissioner
allen
kind
of
go
into
more
detail
around
the
harold
jordan
center.
Hopefully
we'll
answer
your
question
all
right.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
K
So,
very
quickly,
sir,
the
decommissioning
of
those
four
beds,
those
four
beds,
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
a
spacing
perspective,
they're
in
a
different
building
separated
from
the
harold
jordan
center
in
its
total,
and
so
we
developed
those
beds
originally
as,
as
you
know,
sometimes
when
we
bring
people
in
for
enrollment
there
they're
in
crisis,
frequently
that's
psychiatric
crisis,
behavioral
crisis,
and
so
the
development
of
that
a
joined
but
off-site
for
beds
was
to
be
able
to
stabilize
people
in
a
more
clinically
intensive
environment.
K
So
what
we
did
as
a
result
of
the
decommissioning
is
kind
of
reconfigure.
In
short,
I
can
tell
you
in
the
committee
that
it
will
have
virtually
no
impact
on
our
programming
there
and
from
a
census
perspective.
We
certainly
don't
anticipate
that
the
decommissioning
of
those
four
beds
is
going
to
lead
to
people
not
being
able
to
be
admitted
when
they
need
to
be
so.
I
think
it
was.
It
was
a
prudent
move
for
us
financially.
K
Certainly
you
know
in
in
the
economic
crisis
that
accompanied
the
the
covid
crisis.
It
seemed
like
the
most
logical
way
to
to
maneuver,
at
least
for
that
center
and
wouldn't
anticipate
any
ill
effect.
Thank.
I
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
commissioner
turner.
My
question
is
about
the
didd's
waiver
attrition
in
recent
years.
The
tenn
care
budget
is
include
a
reduction
each
year
to
recognize
the
didd's
waiver
attrition.
As
these
particip
participants
in
the
closed
waiver
program
leave.
The
program
funding
is
generally
moved
to
the
efc
excuse
me.
Ecf's
choice
program
intend
care.
I
M
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
This
year
we
actually
saw
an
increase
in
waiver
utilization,
which
is
used
of
those
that
are
attritioning
out
of
our
program.
Typically,
the
utilization
is
level.
This
year
we
saw
an
increase,
and
so
the
amount
that
we
typically
would
have
revert
back
or
or
sent
back
due
to
attrition
was
actually
absorbed
by
the
utilization
cost
itself,
so
individuals
utilizing
more
services
than
they
have
in
years
past.
O
Yes,
sir,
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
some
of
the
residential
homes
that
that
you,
your
agency,
has
do
you
have
several.
I
understand
that
are
not
occupied.
K
Sir,
we
have
a
total
of
37
homes.
Current
census.
Right
now,
is,
I
believe,
at
138.
So
we
do
have
I'm
sorry.
We
have
a
total
capacity
for
148
beds.
138
are
filled
currently,
so
the
homes
are
configured
in
four
ports,
four
person
units
we
don't
have
any
homes
that
are
completely
vacant,
but
we
do
have
beds
that
are
vacant
across
the
state
in
those
homes.
Okay,
thank
you.
O
Yes,
sir,
we
kind
of
had
the
impression
there
may
be
some
that
that
were
being
looked
at
to
be
sold,
and
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
accurate.
First
of
all,
and
if
it
was,
then
you
know
what
the
reason.
L
O
M
A
A
The
follow-up
to
chairman
todd's
question:
I
apologize,
I
had
to
step
out,
but
are
there
aren't
there
some
didd
properties,
not
group
homes,
but
other
properties
that
are
not
being
utilized
and
we're
looking
at
repurposing
or
whatever?
Can
you
speak
to
that.
L
Yeah
we
can,
I
think,
deputy
commissioner
kid
can
I
speak
to
that.
So
I
think
that
some
of
what
you
might
be
referencing
are
some
of
the
old
institutions
that
are
now
our
region.
We
still
have
green
valley,
property,
arlington
property
in
the
middle
tennessee
regional
office,
property
that
are
currently
housing,
our
employees
and
I'll.
Let
deputy
commissioner
kidd
talk
a
little
bit.
M
A
And
then
I'm
sure
here
sure
we'll
hear
more
about
the
green
valley
at
that
point.
But
again
next
on
the
list
representative
shaw.
G
L
K
Yes,
sir,
we
we
contract
with
a
private
provider
network
and
they're,
serving
directly
roughly
7
200
people
in
the
didd
waivers
and
then
on
the
choices
side,
which
is
the
other
side
of
programming.
They
do
the
same,
but
those
contracts
are
effectuated
through
each
of
the
three
managed
care
organizations.
But
those
are
private
providers
supporting
via
contract.
G
Well,
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
the
50
cents.
I
I
remember
way
back
when
we
started
it
was.
I
don't
know
what
it
was,
but
it
was
certainly
just
chump
change.
So
I
thank
you
for
that,
because
you
know
these
people
are
really
vulnerable
and
we
have
to
speak
for
them
and
most
of
all,
they
do
quality
work,
good
quality
work.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
L
Yes,
sir,
it's
and
I
again
I
any
chance
that
I
get
to
publicly
thank
our
dsps.
They
and
and
chairlight
hazel.
You
had
mentioned
it
earlier.
They
they
support
the
most
vulnerable
tennesseans,
there's
there's
by
any
definition.
Our
population
fits
into
that
they
become
their
family.
They
become
their
friends,
their
their
encourager
and
the
idea
that
dsps
everything
we
can
do
to
try
to
help
them.
L
We
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
that
because
of
the
investment
they're
making
in
our
population-
and
you
know
this
and
representative
sparks
and
others
know
this-
my
daughter
has
an
intellectual
development
disability.
This
is
very
personal
to
me.
This
is
not
something
that
I
just
cash
a
check
on.
This
is
my
life
and
I'm
built
around
this
because
of
how
her
life
has
impacted
mine.
L
The
same
way
is:
are
you
looking
at
these
individuals
through
the
eyes
of
god
or
through
the
eyes
of
man,
because
if
you
look
at
them
through
the
eyes
of
god,
you
see
them
differently
and
dsps
are
the
hand
feet
of
that
type
of
service
and
I'm
extremely
proud
of
our
network,
and
they
do
quality
work
and,
as
deputy
commissioner
allen
just
alluded
to,
we
have
a
really
strong
private
provider
network
that
we
work
very
closely
with
and-
and
I'm
not
here
to
try
to
take
credit,
I'm
here
to
try
to
make
sure
tennessee
is
a
little
bit
better
tomorrow
than
they
are
today
with
disabilities.
A
So
we
have
a
ways
to
go,
and
that
is
something
that
I've
been
here
six
years
I've
been
working
on
it.
We
I
think
we
were
at
7,
50
or
8
when
I
started
so
we're
making
progress.
But
I
would
like
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
another
long
period
of
time.
I
you
know
I'm
getting
old.
So
I'd
like
to
see
this
move
a
bit
faster
and
it's
something
that
I
would
hope
that
this
committee
would
help
me
work
on
to
make
that
happen.
So
off.
My
soapbox
chairman,
hawk.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner
and
team.
Thank
you
so
much
for
what
you
do.
I
want
to
personally
thank
you
for
your
responsive
nature
to
the
katie
beckett
wavers.
We
heard
from
some
stakeholders
about
concerns
of
navigating
the
system
in
the
process
and
thank
you
for
what
you
did
to
to
roll
out
an
easier
process.
So
I
appreciate
that
very
responsible
tyler.
Thank
you
very
much
as
well.
I'll
eventually
get
to
green
valley,
but
I
I
do
want
to.
F
What's
the
chair,
ladies
discretion,
so,
and
we're
talking
a
lot
about
providers
in
the
in
the
direct
service
providers
that
we've
got
we're
hearing
a
lot
from
our
constituents,
who
are
those
providers
that
there's
a
crisis
just
around
the
corner
and-
and
you
don't
know,
you're
in
a
provider
crisis
until
you're
in
a
provider
crisis,
and
I
have
great
concern
that
that's
occurring
as
we're.
Looking
at
the
integration,
that's
coming
between
ourselves
and
10
carry
the
idea
and
tenncare
coming
up.
There
is
some
concern
that
that
there
are
some.
F
L
I
want
to
be
clear
on
one
of
those
things
that
we're
always
going
to
work
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
the
right
services
for
tennesseans
that
need
it
and
that's
working
very
closely
with
our
provider
network
and
we're
continuing
to
do
that.
We're
going
to
continue
to
do
that
and
I'll.
Let
deputy
commissioner
allen
kind
of
speak
to
your
questions
and
comments.
K
Good
morning,
chairman
knox,
so
a
couple
of
things,
first
and
foremost
with
the
legislation
that
you're
referencing
and
I
believe
it's
the
bill
sponsored
by
senator
massey,
it's
some
discussion
relative
to
the
development
and
implementation
of
policy
in
an
aligned
environment.
So
a
couple
of
points
that
I
want
to
make
quickly
about
that.
As
we
moved
into
the
alignment
phase
as
we
started
to
kind
of
vet
that
concept
we,
we
certainly
asked
for
input
from
our
provider
network.
K
As
commissioner
turner
referenced,
we're
in
you
know
fairly
constant,
almost
consistent
communication
with
them,
but
this
concept
in
and
of
itself
was
new
to
us
and
new
to
them,
and
it's
happened
over
a
relatively
short
amount
of
time
for
those
of
you
on
the
committee
that
have
watched
new
waivers
be
born
and
implemented.
You
know
that
we're
kind
of
doing
this
on
an
express
time
frame.
Now
I
don't
want
that
to
underscore
the
fact
that
we
haven't
done
this
in
a
in
a
very,
very
thoughtful
way.
K
Providers
came
to
us
and
said
here
are
some
here
are
some
foundational
things
that
we
absolutely
have
to
see
in
an
aligned
system.
The
approach
to
a
line
is
designed
to
eliminate
redundancy
to
increase
efficiency
and,
hopefully
to
allow
us
to
to
better
spend
the
very
limited
number
of
dollars.
We
have
to
provide
care
to
this
growing
population
as
you
referenced.
K
The
crisis
around
the
corner
in
some
ways
has
been
on
the
horizon
for
some
time,
as
the
institutionalization
has
taken
hold
and
folks
with
disabilities
are
now
living
in
our
neighborhoods
and
communities.
What
that
means
is
that
the
strain
on
the
community
provider
becomes
spread
out
and
and
if
we're
not
careful
that
we're
aligning
policy
to
their
efficiencies.
If
we're
not
careful
that
we're
considering
the
impact
on
providers
as
those
numbers
grow
and
grow,
then
indeed,
we
could
find
ourselves
in
a
tough
place,
as
the
number
of
people
needing
supports,
potentially
outros.
K
The
number
of
providers
available
to
provide
those
supports.
So
the
three
things
primarily,
they
told
us
up
front
that
we
could
do
in
this
alignment
that
would
dramatically
increase
their
efficiency,
are
aligned
the
way
they
bill
and
without
boring.
This
committee
I'll
tell
you
that
their
thought
was
right.
Now
we're
billing
in
four
separate
ways:
three
mcos
in
the
department
and
so
every
time
we
bill
for
one
service.
K
The
potential
is
that
we
have
to
figure
out
which
of
those
four
systems
it
is,
and
so
we
aligned
that
our
plan
to
align
that
on
7-1
into
a
single
billing
system.
So
if
you're
a
provider,
it
doesn't
matter
what
service
you're
in
you
bill
it.
In
the
same
way,
we
tend
care
in
the
managed
care
organizations
process.
That
claim
the
second
thing
was
credentialing
requirements,
so
provider
agencies
said
to
us.
We
don't
want
a
credential
with
four
different
agencies,
three
mcos
and
the
department,
and
that
means
when
I
enroll
as
a
new
provider.
K
I
don't
want
to
have
to
go
to
four
different
people
and
show
them
the
same
stuff
or
or
annually.
When
we
re-credential,
we
don't
want
to
have
different
requirements
for
one
than
the
other,
so
they
asked
us
to
develop
and
implement
a
single
credentialing
approach,
which
the
department
is
doing
right
now
and
will
on
7-1,
be
the
unified
credentialing
source,
so
that'll
create
a
tremendous
amount
of
efficiency
for
the
network.
K
Also,
the
final
thing
is
planning
and
as
you're
very
well
aware,
we've
had
conversations
about
how
the
individual
support
plans
for
people
ultimately
drive
their
services
and
the
development
of
that
plan
is
the
root
of
of
what
they
can
achieve
individually
on
their
own
and
what
providers
told
us
is
we
don't
want
to
do
that
multiple
times
either.
We
need
the
best
approach
which
we've
identified.
K
Thankfully,
the
department
and
our
accreditation
with
with
the
council
on
quality
leadership,
has
developed
and
consulted
on
on
a
single
isp
or
individual
support
plan
process
and
we'll
implement
that
on
the
first
of
july,
also
again,
which
will
unify
the
way
we
plan
and
unify
the
way
people
request,
services
which,
which
we
hope
one
brings
them
better
service,
which
we
believe
it
will,
but
certainly
it
will
increase
efficiency
for
that
network.
K
So,
overall
the
things
that
they've
come
to
us
and
said
these
are
the
things
we
got
to
get
out
of
the
way
right
at
the
beginning.
We
feel
like
we're
on
track
to
be
able
to
implement
those
on
the
first
of
july,
and
then
we
will
continue
that
back
and
forth
conversation
with
them
on
other
things
that
we
can
attack
thereafter,
ultimately,
with
the
goal
of
making
their
administrative
burden
as
light
as
possible
in
hopes
that
people
receiving
services
then
benefit
more
time
and
attention
from
that
agency.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much,
jordan.
I
appreciate
that
that
that's
a
great
response
to
the
question
and
for
our
providers
to
hear
that
it's
very
good.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
I
will
go
down
the
road
to
green
valley
and
now,
and
commissioner
we've
visited
together
on
campus
there
several
times
and
and
and
green
valley
has
become
a
covert
response
site
working
with
our
department
of
health
and
has
been
invaluable
to
our
community
and
our
region
as
folks
have
been
helped
in
in
that
regard.
F
Additionally,
we've
we've
been
a
potential
coveted
overrun
site
or
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
If,
if
coed
becomes
too
large
for
hospitals
to
handle,
we've,
we've
been
able
to
we've
saved
some
space
there
as
well
one
of
the
electronic
homes
for
lack
of
better
word
fully
integrated
home.
There
has
been
interesting
to
to
view
that
as
well.
I
say
all
that
to
say:
I'm
I'm
wondering
what
the
the
future
uses
of
green
valley
will
be.
F
As
we
heard
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services
speak
before
you,
there's
there's
great
need
in
terms
of
facilities
and
uses.
I
just
want
us
to
keep
an
open
mind.
Should
some,
whether
it
be
another
state
provider
or
an
outside
provider,
come
to
us
and
say
hey,
we
could
use
the
existing
structures,
the
existing
facilities
on
campus
at
green
valley.
To
to
just
have
that
open
mind
I
put
that
out
there
and
and
and
the
the
question
is:
is
there
a?
F
Is
there
a
master
plan
a
two
year
master
plan,
four-year
master
plan
for
for
green
valley
in
particular,
but
the
other
structures
that
the
state
owns?
Yes,.
L
Sir
you're,
I
thank
you
chairman
hawk
for
the
question.
Your
comment
is
actually
perfectly
time
we're
meeting
this
week.
I
think
with
dgs
just
to
have
those
discussions
and
we
were
actually
at
green
valley
last
monday
and
we
went
through
the
buildings
and
we're
looking
to
figure
out.
Okay.
What
do
we
do?
That's
appropriate.
So
you
know
to
your
point
about
the
question.
L
F
E
E
Question
about
your
reversions.
If
you
look
at
one
of
the
questions
in
our
in
your
questionnaire
package,
it
says
that
the
department
revert
reversion
target
for
fy.
1819
was
300
000,
but
you
reverted
about
four
7.4
million.
Can
you
explain
that?
Yes,.
E
M
E
M
Man,
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
standard
reversion
target
is
given
to
us
by
finance
and
administration,
and
that's
the
300
000
that
that
you
see
there.
The
reversion
that
you
see
historically
was,
as
one
of
the
other
representatives
pointed
out,
was
the
waiver
attrition
dollars
that
were
not
spent
as
those
folks
attritioning
out
of
the
program,
so
that,
typically
that's
what
that
dollar
amount
is.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
other
questions?
G
Thank
you,
commissioner
turner.
Yes,
sir
glad
to
see,
I
always
appreciate
people
with
passion
and
conviction,
and
you
you
live
this
every
day
with
your
daughter,
and
I
appreciate
you
know
what
you've
seen
and
how
you
can
empathize
with
others.
You
know
when
I'm
gonna
leave
this
committee
about
12
30
to
go,
see
my
sister,
that's
in
a
nursing
home.
You
know
my
sister
vicky.
She
had
a
bad
fall
and
first
time
I'll,
be
able
to
see
her
in
person
and
a
year
due
to
cobin.
G
But
I
want
to
thank
you
and
vice
chair
bond
for
the
all-inclusive
playground
of
my
smyrna
rotary
club,
mike
moss
and
brian
hercules,
our
town
manager,
mayor
reed.
Do
you
think
that
park
will
be
utilized
a
lot
and
what's
your
prediction
as
far
as
people
in
middle
tennessee,
that
that
will
use
that
as
the
radius?
Maybe
yes.
L
Sir,
I
mean
it'll
it'll
have
pretty
far
tentacles
representative
sparks
a
lot
of
those
areas.
You
know
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
that,
and
so
anytime,
you
have
adaptations
that
are
made
to
play
grounds
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
that,
and
that's
really
at
the
core
of
what
we're
wanting
to
do
in
our
mission
and
vision
inside
our
department
is
create
more
independence
and
less
dependency
on
our
department.
L
You
know
my
job
and
I
I
say
this
kind
of
tongue-in-cheek,
but
I'm
serious
is
we
want
to
work
ourselves
out
of
a
job
where
our
department's
no
longer
needed,
because
there's
been
a
full
integration
in
the
community
and
a
big
part
of
this
integration.
The
deputy
commissioner
allen
was
talking
about
is
employment
and
creating
job
opportunities
for
our
population?
So,
as
you
have
more
of
these
community
type
focused
projects,
it
expands
naturally
into
areas
that
we
care
about.
L
They
don't
see
that
yeah.
All
they
see
is
another
kid
on
the
playground.
That's
the
kind
of
culture
and
community
that
we're
wanting
to
create
and
those
types
of
projects
will
help
facilitate
that
natural
transition
into
acceptance
of
who
a
person
is
and
not
what
they
look
like.
Yes,
thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
A
A
One
quick
question:
I
think
there
and
again
I've
had
to
be
in
and
out-
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
we
mentioned-
or
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation,
commissioner,
the
increase,
the
significant
increase,
I
think
three
or
four
times
as
many
of
this
population
succumb
to
covid
as
the
population
in
general.
I
know
you
know.
A
Orange
grove
is
not
in
my
district,
but
it
serves
clients
that
are
in
my
district
and
I
know
of
dsp
workers
who,
regardless
of
the
covid
crisis
and
regardless
of
the
fact
that
some
of
their
clients
had
coveted
they
chose
to
stay
and
continue
to
work
and
care
for
them.
Do
we
have
any
statistics
on
those
workers
in
terms
of
their
outcomes,
covert,
related
outcomes.
L
A
A
So
again,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
people
across
the
state
who
provide
that
care
to
tennessee's
most
vulnerable
and
to
reiterate
that
we're
going
to
do
the
best
we
can
as
a
committee
to
make
sure
that
there
is
we're,
never
going
to
be
able
to
adequately
pay.
There's
not
enough
money
in
the
world
to
do
that.
But
hopefully
we
can
increase
the
pay
to
something
that,
because
I
know
too
many
dsps
who
are
working,
two
jobs
just
to
buy
groceries
and
pay
rent.
A
So
I
I
said
I'd
get
off
my
soapbox,
but
I
have
a
real
hard
time
staying
off.
So
excuse
me
for
that
anyway.
We
thank
you
again
for
the
work
that
you
do.
Thank
you
for
that
population.
I
know
for
you,
it's
it's
personal
for
many
of
us.
We
have
personal
stories.
I've
shared
with
you
had
an
uncle
that
my
mom.
P
A
For
for
25
years
in
her
home,
because
there
wasn't
this
kind
of
capability-
and
you
know
luckily
for
my
uncle-
my
mom-
was
there
and
willing
and
able
to
do
it,
but
not
everybody
has
that
kind
of
family
support
and
we
owe
it
to
those
citizens
to
make
sure
that
they're
cared
for,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
you
and
to
the
people
that
you
represent
in
your
department
and
to
the
dsps
and
all
of
the
facilities
across
the
state.
A
L
Just
again,
I
want
to
all
of
the
folks
that
work
inside
my
department
have
a
calling
and
I'm
very
fortunate
that
they
accept
me
as
the
weak
link
and
they
keep
the
chain
strong
anyways.
But
I've
got
the
best
department
at
state
government,
I'm
very
proud
of
what
we
do.
L
Not
only
is
it
mission
driven,
but
it's
very
personal
and
passionate
to
a
number
of
people
that
we
work
that
work
inside
our
department
and
it's
just
a
blessing
that
I
thank
the
lord
for
every
day
that
I
get
the
privilege
to
call
myself
the
commissioner
of
the
department.
So
thank
you
for
your
kind
words.
A
A
A
We'll
take
a
short
break
for
a
cleanup
and
then
I'm
told
we're
a
bit
ahead
of
schedule.
But
our
representatives
from
fna
are
on
their
way
down
from
the
capitol
to
join.
O
A
E
E
A
Commissioner,
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
hurrying
down.
We,
this
almost
never
happens
in
this
committee,
but
we're
actually
running
a
bit
ahead
of
schedule.
A
And
well,
some
of
us
go
directly
from
this
marathon
to
council
on
pensions
and
insurance,
so
we
could
grab
15
minutes
to
cram
down
some
food
we'd.
All
we
would
all
be
delighted,
so
thank
you
for
helping
us
maybe
work
toward
that
goal,
and
I
know,
commissioner,
you
presented
to
this
committee
right
up
in
the
beginning,
the
overall
budget
for
the
state
of
tennessee,
the
proposed
budget,
but
today
we're
looking
at
the
budget
for
your
department
of
fna.
So
if
you
want
to
just
talk
us
through
that,
we
we're
ready
to
listen.
H
Very
good,
thank
you
good
morning,
madam
chair
and
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
our
fy
22
budget
proposal
for
the
department
of
finance
in
administration.
H
I
am
butch
eagley
and
have
the
opportunity
to
serve
as
as
chairman
as
a
commissioner
of
fna
and
appreciate
appreciate
that
I'll
set
the
table
real,
quick
with
the
others
here
at
the
desk
with
me,
eugene
neubert,
our
fna
commissioner
deputy
commissioner,
valencia
hill,
is
with
me
here
our
comptroller
stephanie
dedman
to
my
left,
our
chief
information
officer
and
christine
lotz
over
there
is
our
director
of
office
in
impact.
H
We
we
all
awoke
to
devastation
across
across
our
state,
due
to
the
tornado
and
just
two
days
later
experienced
our
first
coveted
case
in
tennessee,
and
our
job
at
fna
is
really
to
serve
all
of
our
other
departments
in
the
state
and
in
turn
serve
the
citizens
of
tennessee
and
us.
This
is
our
our
mission
here
that
you
have
before
you.
We
have
2
000,
very
dedicated
professionals
that
live
and
breed
this
mission
day
in
day
out.
H
As
you
know,
fna
has
six
division
and
one
of
the
ones
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
is
our
strategic
technology
solutions,
better
known
as
sds.
H
Our
division
of
accounts
benefits
administration,
which
oversees
the
state's
health
and
wellness
plans,
our
division
of
administration,
which
does
a
number
of
things
which
includes
our
fiscal
office,
our
criminal
justice
programs
and
more
our
division
of
budgets,
which
is
probably
our
division
that
we
we
have
the
most
connection
with
or
contact
with
with
this
group
and
also
the
office
of
inspector
general,
which,
as
you
know,
investigates
fraud
of
the
tenncare
program.
H
You
know
2020
was
a
difficult
year
for
everyone,
and
these
are
some
of
the
faces
of
the
services
that
fna
provides
during
the
pandemic.
That
really
helped
to
get
our
people
back
to
work.
H
We
expanded
bandwidth
in
every
area
and
we
continue
to
work
and
provide
agencies
with
what
they
need
to
be
able
to
change
and
adapt
to
the
environment
that
we're
in
today.
H
As
we
I'd
be,
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
at
least
mention
the
extraordinary
accounting
that
is
not
usually
noticed.
As
you
know,
we
saw
such
an
unprecedented
influx
of
federal
funds
during
2020
and
we
have
the
distinction
in
tennessee
of
being
the
best
fiscally
managed
state
and
really
that
is
for
two
reasons:
one.
We
have
a
history
of
working
hand
in
hand
with
this
body
in
in
this
legislature
to
provide
really
sound
budgets
and
good
physical
policy
and
number
two.
H
We
have
great
people
performing
the
tasks
that
need
to
be
done.
Fna,
with
the
input
of
many
at
the
comptroller's
office,
produced
this
annual
report
for
excellence
in
financial
reporting
from
the
government
financial
officers
group
for
each
of
the
last
40
years,
and
that
is
the
most
that
any
state
see.
H
H
Taking
a
look
at
here's,
another
resource
that
that
you
may
find
useful
this,
we
were
able
to
do
this
in
the
summer,
acknowledging
the
huge
influx
that
we
did
receive
in
federal
funds
working
with
the
speakers
and
several
legislators
through
the
fsag
group,
which
is,
as
you
know,
stands
for
financial
stimulus,
accountability
group.
H
We
wanted
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
people
were
able
to
see
where
the
dollars
went
in
tennessee,
and
this
includes
all
the
funds
that
were
awarded
to
the
state,
the
funds
through
the
the
crf
that
the
fsag
group
administered,
as
well
as
other
funds,
that
simply
kind
of
pass
through
the
state
directly
to
individuals.
H
But
what
this
shows
is
really
every
dollar
that's
being
tracked
day
in
day
out.
You
can
go
to
this
and
see
every
county
and
what
the
federal
dollars
that
that
have
flown
that
have
come
into
tennessee,
and
this
is
on
the
fna
website
as
well.
So
now,
let's,
let's
get
to
the
budget,
our
proposed
budget
in
fiscal
year.
22
is
just
shy
of
480
million,
as
you
see
here
on
the
slide
in
the
bottom
right
hand
corner
the.
H
We
expect
that
that
to
continue
to
increase
through
this
year
and
you
as
you
see,
we
have
63
million
proposed
this
year
in
22,
but
we
certainly
expect
that
that
will
continue
to
increase
as
we
go
through
this
year
and
I'll
mention
again
later,
but
we'll
be
seeing
that
again
through
the
committee
through
expansion
requests
as
we
go
through
the
year.
H
Tennesseans
need
faster
and
more
reliable
services
from
the
government,
and
we
want
to
provide
that
in
both
through
sts
in
the
office
of
evidence
and
impact
who
stephanie
and
kristen
are
with
we're,
increasing
our
data
capabilities
and
our
user
experiences
of
all
the
platforms
that
people
interface
with
throughout
the
state.
H
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
pause
their
data,
analytics
citizen
scheduling
or
some
of
the
improvements
that
we
have
within
this.
I'm
not
gonna
go
a
matter
of
respect
for
your
time,
madam
chair,
but
here
to
get
into
much
more
detail
in
any
of
these
items
that
that
you
want
to
get
more
information
on
as
we
go
into
this
today.
H
Some
of
the
increases
that
fall
into
the
budget
miscellaneous
enterprise
category
I
wanna-
I
wanna
at
least
touch
on
one
of
those
is
process.
Automation
you'll
hear
more
about
that,
but
it
really
just
provides
technology,
so
departments
can
allow
our
employees
to
be
able
to
to
delve
into
really
higher
value
tasks,
and
so
that's
an
important
addition
to
this
budget.
H
The
remainder
of
these
that
are
the
state
use
of
technology,
are
being
paid
for
through
agency
agency
budgets,
as
as
it
relates
to
those
additional
things,
I'm
now
going
to
turn
it
over
to
eugene
and
let
him
go
through
the
high
level
reductions
and
then
we'll
answer
any
questions.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner.
So
yes,
as
commissioner
mentioned,
these
are.
D
Ma'am,
I'm
I'm
sorry
eugene
neubert
deputy
commissioner
of
finance
and
administration.
These
are
our
reductions
for
the
fiscal
22
budget,
we're
proposing
a
little
short
of
18.3
million
dollars
in
total
reductions.
272
000
of
that
is
from
state
funds
and
the
reduction
in
elimination
of
32
positions.
The
32
positions
were
outlined
last
year.
D
Most
of
these
have
already
been
reduced
through
the
summer
exercise
of
vacant
positions
of
and
these
positions
are
across,
our
budget
division,
sts
of
the
division
of
accounts
and
inspector
general,
and
this
is
just
basically
right
sizing
the
budget
to
our
actual
position.
Count.
The
third
party
contracts
reduction,
you
see,
involves
moving
to
more
efficient
services.
D
So,
as
we
looked
through
contractual
services,
we
had
contracts
that
were
ending
that
we
no
longer
needed
that
we
could
eliminate
from
our
budget
as
well
as
services
that
we
believed
we
could.
We
could
receive
in
a
more
efficient
manner
from
from
providers
that
we
already
had
on
contract.
So
for
one
example,
we
have
it
academy.
D
Some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
that
over
the
years.
It's
a
training
program
for
our
sts
staff,
we're
reducing
the
contract
with
the
organization
that
provides
that
training,
because,
as
an
agency,
we
we
entered
into
a
contract
for
all
of
our
employees
with
linkedin.
Learning
of
that
platform
has
thousands
of
training
modules
for
everything,
from
from
technical
to
soft
skills,
leadership
skills.
It
also
has
it
technical
training
modules
that
our
staff
would
be
able
to
leverage.
D
At
this
time
we
had
2207
positions
with
106
positions.
So
a
reduction
of
101
positions
about
five
percent
of
our
of
our
workforce,
and
that
was
done
through
that
that
vacancy
position,
as
well
as
the
reductions
over
the
course
of
last
summer.
H
So,
madam
madam
chair,
one
thing
that
I
prepared
to
do
was
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
preparing
for
the
for
the
future
and
and
what
we're
doing
to
do
that
through
kind
of
more
discussion
of
products,
process,
automation,
the
cloud
and
evidence
base.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
time
for
questions,
and
so
I'm
I'll
pause
here.
I
can
keep
going
through
the
next
couple
of
slides
or
I'll
I'll
defer
to
you
as
to
whether
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
take
questions.
A
Commissioner,
why
don't
we
take
questions
and
then,
if
we
have
additional
time
we'll
come
back,
and
I
know
that
some
of
your
folks
are
going
to
be
in
front
of
commissioner,
I
mean
chairman
williams,
I'm
looking
at
I'm
just
I
just
promoted
him
but
in
front
of
chairman
williams
committee
later
and
when
they
delve
into
some
of
this
there.
Just
in
the
interest
of.
H
A
H
A
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
find
the
right
list
representative
freeman.
E
Commissioner,
thank
you
thanks
for
all
you
do
for
for
our
state,
I
have
a
question
in
the
proposed
budget.
We
we
see
653,
000
and
poor
positions
for
the
office
or
to
establish
the
office
of
evidence
and
impact.
E
My
understanding
this
office
would
oversee
evidence-based
budgeting
and
coordinate
some
data
sharing
across
agencies.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
goal
for
implementing
evidence-based
budgeting
and
how
it
will
change
the
way
we
currently
do?
It.
H
Well,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Representative
freeman.
I
think
that
it's
an
important
question
and
something
that
we
really
have
been
leaning
into
really
the
last
couple
of
years.
H
Since
since
governor
lee
took
office,
and
and
really
you
know
it's
it's,
it's
not
really-
it's
not
really
rocket
science.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
invest
in
what
works,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
get
intentional
about
figuring
out.
What
really
has
what
programs
we're
providing
has
evidence
based
behind
it?
What's
working
in
other
states?
What
can
we
demonstrate?
Has
that
type
of
evidence
behind
it?
H
When
I
went
to
when
I
went
to
grad
school,
we
called
it
zero-based
budgeting,
starting
from
scratch
and
building
up
from
there,
but
really
it's
just
about
making
sure
that
we're
using
the
best
information,
the
best
data
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
investing
in
what
works.
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
turn
to
kristen
real,
quick.
She
she's
literally
on
the
national
scale.
H
Now,
with
a
with
a
committee
that
is
working
on
this
on
the
national
level,
and
so
let
me
let
me
give
her
the
floor
to
be
able
to
give
you
a
quick
update
and
is
this
on
hit
it.
I
think
yeah.
Q
Okay,
sorry
about
that
kristen
lotz,
I'm,
the
director
of
the
office
of
evidence
and
impact
for
fna
representative,
commissioner
ely
did
a
really
great
job
of
explaining
sort
of
our
high-level
goals
for
this
office
and
evidence-based
budgeting.
In
particular.
Q
If
I
could,
the
mission
of
our
office
just
quickly
is
to
better
use
data
and
evidence
in
both
our
policy
making
and
budgeting
decisions
to
ensure
the
best
outcomes
for
tennesseans,
and
we
do
that
in
a
number
of
ways.
You
mentioned
our
work
with
sts
to
encourage
greater
sharing
of
data
between
our
departments
and
taking
more
of
an
enterprise
level
approach
to
data
analytics.
Q
In
addition,
we
have
created
a
tool
for
departments
to
use
to
help
us
understand
the
level
of
evidence,
the
level
of
data
and
research
that
supports
the
programs
when
they
are
either
requesting
a
funding
increase
or
also
when
they
are
submitting
a
reduction
proposal
for
that
program
or
service.
So
we're
using
this
information
to
better
inform
our
decision
makers
around
to
commissioner
ely's
point.
What
do
we
know
really
really
works?
E
You
so
last
year,
I
believe
there
were
five
positions
that
were
supposed
to
be
funded
there.
They
were
taken
out
because
of
covid
you've
now
come
back
with
four.
Why
why
the
reduction
and
then
quickly
will
the
staff
be
dedicated
solely.
H
Let
me
take
the
first
question
representative
freeman,
so
last
year
we
did.
H
We
actually
started
this
program
the
year
before,
with
with
kind
of
funds
available
to
at
least
get
the
ball
rolling,
to
be
able
to
try
to
try
to
lean
into
this,
and
we
repurposed
a
position
I
think
last
year
as
part
of
this,
and
therefore
we
didn't
need
to
ask
for
all
five
of
those
positions
again,
but
the
four
positions
will
be
dedicated
to
this
on
a
full-time
basis.
H
Of
course,
you
know:
they'll
be
working
kind
of
across
the
enterprise
working
with
departments
to
be
able
to
to
help
them
and
be
a
resource
to
them
as
well,
so
it
really
will
be
kind
of
an
enterprise-wide
benefit.
M
Being
here
in
last
year's
budget,
there
was.
E
365
service
migration
in
this
coming
year's.
H
That's
a
great
great
question,
representative
gillespie
and
I
thought
madam
chair:
we
may
cover
those
future
preparation
things
with
the
questions,
and
so
this
has
given
us
a
great
opportunity
to
do
that,
because
it
is
that's
a
a
great
question.
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
let
stephanie
answer
your
question,
but
also
look
at
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
about
the
broader
picture
of
our
cloud
migration
and
what
we're
doing
there.
P
P
I
believe
it's
called
unified
or
premier
I'm
getting
backwards,
but
today
we
have
dollars
that
if
an
agency
needs
particular
help
with
a
particular
piece
of
microsoft,
we
use
those
dollars
a
new
model.
Microsoft
charges
us
this.
What
for
us
would
be
a
million
dollars
and
it's
based
on
our
consumption
both
from
office
365,
as
well
as
in
the
cloud,
the
azure
piece
of
the
cloud,
and
so
and
interestingly,
I
expressed
dismay
with
this
model
when
microsoft
first
rolled
it
out,
because
it
is
an
ongoing
cost
for
us,
it
becomes.
P
You
know
more
of
an
operational
as
opposed
to
when
we
need
it.
There
are
benefits,
though,
in
fairness,
it
gives
us
the
ability
to
to
lean
on
microsoft
when
we
need
help
for
a
particular
product.
If
we
need
training
for
our
individuals,
we
are
able
to
use
that
unified
support
for
that
for
those
services
to
commissioners
point
about
cloud.
Just
if
I
could
take
a
little
bit
of
a
step
to
the
right
on
that,
so
so
the
cloud
is
is
something
that's
been
around
for
a
while.
P
We
most
of
you
have
heard
us
talk
about.
We
have
two
state
data
centers,
where
we
invest
in
the
infrastructure
and
the
ongoing
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
that
infrastructure.
P
Moving
to
the
cloud
will
enable
us
really
to
to
outsource
that
if
you
will
to
a
third
party
and
actually
we're
implementing
what
we
call
a
hybrid
cloud
model,
which
means
we're
not
just
going
with
one
vendor.
We
have
two
partners
at
this
at
this
time
that
we're
working
with
to
provide
cloud
services,
so
this
will
enable
us
over
time
to
spin
down
and
spend
spin,
not
spend
spin
down
one
of
our
data
centers
so
that
we
will
minimize
our
infrastructure
cost
and
spend
the
money
with
cloud
partners.
So
we
will
be
moving
migrating.
A
And
if
I
might
just
follow
up
on
that
on
the
microsoft
united,
it's
one
million
dollars
recurring,
that's
correct!
Is
that
for
unlimited
support
or
is
there
a
cap
on
that.
P
It's
unlimited
in
terms
of
as
we
need
it
there.
They
provide
support
for
everything,
but
it
is.
It
is
unlimited.
P
Yes,
and-
and
I
will
add
that
I
mentioned
that
it's
based
on
consumption,
so
as
we
you
know,
as
we
use
utilize
more
microsoft
products,
that
number
could
and
will
very
well
very
likely
go
up,
but
it
does
give
us
the
service
commiserate
with
that
with
that
product.
A
Thank
you
next
on
the
list
chairman
hicks.
O
F
H
H
O
O
It
looks
like
there
was
some
funds
reverted
back
in
fiscal
year,
19
as
well
as
fiscal
year
20.,
and
so
can
you
help
me
just
to
maybe
explain
because
those
those
were
versions
that
are
coming
back
while
it's
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
I'm
just
curious
of.
Why
aren't
we
fully
utilizing
those
monies
that
are
being
appropriated.
F
H
Well,
I'll,
I'm
I'll
start
off
and
then
let
eugene
correct
me
if
I
get
off
base
here,
but
but
basically
we're
we're
we're
trying
to
be
as
efficient
as
possible,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
I
would,
I
would
say
you
know,
last
year
with
with
the
pandemic
and
as
we
moved
into
the
the
hiring
freeze,
as
we
moved
into
those
things,
we
really
tried
to
pull
back
on
every
place.
H
We
could
to
be
able
to
to
be
conservative
and
not
expend
funds
that
that
we
didn't
absolutely
have
to
have,
and
so
we
probably
were
reverting.
You
know
reverting
more
because
of
that
eugene
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that.
Yeah.
D
No
sir,
I
think
fna
has
always
tried
to
be
conservative
with
with
the
dollars
that
have
have
been
operated
to
us
and
be
good
stewards
with
those
dollars
and
and
so
in.
In
certain
in
certain
years
there
have
been
savings
and
when
there
are
savings,
those
funds
do
revert,
revert
back.
O
D
O
O
So
again
this
was
going
for
performance
bonuses,
salary
increases
and
also
money
for
those
market
rate
adjustments.
So
that's
the
monies
that
I'm
actually
talking
about.
It's
just
those
reversions.
Just
here's.
Why?
I
guess
that's
really
my
question:
why
aren't
we
fully
utilizing
that
and
I
get
I
get
being
efficient,
totally
totally
understand
that,
but
it's
kind
of
what
that's
that
fun
is
for.
D
So
I
think
I
understand
your
question
and
I
think
that's
a
bigger,
a
bigger
question
and
certainly
bigger
than
just
fnas.
But.
D
And
so
I
I
think
I
I'd
have
to
to
defer
of
either
the
commissioner
or
you
know,
as
we
look
at,
I
think,
overall,
on
the
enterprises,
we
look
at
how
we
utilize
those
those
funds,
especially
I
think
fiscal
year
20,
as
as
you
referenced.
I
think
there
were
some
decisions
made
that
because
of
well
no,
that
was
that
was
this
year's.
When
I'm
sorry,
I'm
I'm
a
year
behind,
so
it.
H
I
I
think
I
think
it's
the
same
answer.
I
think
it's
the
same
answer
chairman.
I
think
that
we
we
have
built
in
the
ability
for
departments
to
be
able
to
utilize
those
funds
when
needed,
whether
you
know
in
certain
cases
they
they
use
those
funds
for
equity,
to
be
able
to
to
be
able
to
move
around
positions
or
hire
people
at
certain
certain
positions.
H
But
you
know
from
my
standpoint
at
f
a
we
don't
want
them
to
to
to
just
spend
those
dollars
if
they
don't
have
to
utilize
those
dollars
and
sometimes
sometimes,
when
we
kind
of
have
a
situation
where
we
need
to
be
cautious,
then
then
we,
you
know
we
like
them
to
hold
back
on
being
able
to
do
that,
and
so
so,
in
those
cases
they're
they're
there
they
make
the
case
and
need
those
dollars
and
they
can
justify
those
dollars.
H
But-
and
you
know
in
this,
in
this
case,
they
have
not.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
good
still
morning
good
morning,
thank
you
to
you
and
your
team
for
being
here,
quick
question.
R
H
Yeah,
well,
I'm
going
to
give
a
general
kind
of
a
general,
and
I
I
I
expected
this
because
I
know
that
you're
pretty
familiar
with
this
subject,
and
so
so
I'll
I'll.
Let
these
guys
that
may
know
more
about
it
than
I
do,
but,
but
basically
on
the
on
the
reductions.
We
were
looking
at
areas
where
we
could
pull
back
services
that
didn't.
You
know
that
didn't
have
a
negative
impact
and
we're
able
to
to
do
some
things
that
that
were
able
to
do
that
with
small
amounts.
H
But
in
in
the
areas
of
the
increases
there
were.
There
were
things
that
we're
looking
toward
to
be
able
to
really
really
start
accomplishing
what
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
enterprise-wide
to
be
able
to
invest,
and
so
that's
that's
the
reason
kind
of
for
the
offset
we
would
have
come
with
the
increase.
H
I
think
I
think
regardless,
but
but
to
be
able
to
to
to
really
get
us
where
we
need
to
be
able
to
go
in
the
future.
You
want
to
add
to
that
stephanie.
Yes,.
P
I
believe
that
the
cell
phone
decrease
is
specific
to
fna,
where
we
identified
employees
that
no
longer
would
need
a
state
cell
phone
for
for
whatever
reason,
and
then
the
increase
is
at
the
enterprise
level.
Our
mobility
contract
was
up
for
renewal,
so
we
did
a
reprocurement
and
decided
to
go
with
a
multi-vendor
model
which
we
don't
have.
P
We
don't
currently
use
at
t
cell
phones,
but
we
do
have
two
providers
so
had
we
had
a
t,
we
have
a
backup,
you
know
in
the
ability
for
to
quickly
get
phones
from
another
vendor
and
so
in
the
in
the
process
of
rebidding
it.
The
cost
have
gone
up
from
for
mobility
services,
and
so
that's
the
increase.
J
P
The
network
assuming
you're,
referring
to
amazon
yeah,
we're
not
dependent
on
the
network.
We
are
moving
some
of
our
business
applications
to
amazon's
cloud,
but
we
would
still
have
so.
Eventually
there
would
be
some
reliance,
but
because
we're
going
with
a
multi-vendor
cloud
model,
we
would
be
able
to
to
quickly
and
that's
one
of
the
benefits
of
the
cloud
as
well
as
it's
very
agile
and
representative
zachary
you.
You
know
that,
but
very
agile.
P
We
can
move
compute
back
and
forth,
not
that
we
would
just
do
that,
will
nearly
but
for
cost
benefit
or
in
the
event
of
a
of
a
you
know,
emergency
or
situation
of
our
compute
back
and
forth.
We
will
continue
to
to
maintain
our
state
network.
That's
currently
with
att
it.
It
is.
There
is
a
future
rebid
on
that.
Just
like
most
of
our
contracts.
H
Okay,
let
me
just
add
quickly
to
that,
because
I
think
this
is
the
point
you're
making
we
we
we
want
to
reduce
our
total
dependability
on
any
any
one
vendor
and
so
on
christmas,
where
we,
where
we
had
some
some
negative
experience,
but
it's
a
it's
a
direction
that
we
were
already
headed
before
that
and
it's
a
direction.
We
need
to
continue
to
go
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
not
dependent
on
any
one
source
and
that
we've
got
the
ability
to
function
regardless.
N
Williams
under
the
the
the
time
slot
there.
Mr
edmund,
I
had
a
quick
question
for
you
on
on
the
the
budget
documents
that
we
got
page
b18
b23
it
talks
about
a
citizen,
scheduling
application
system.
I
think
that
that
we
did
an
rfp,
for,
I
think
or
an
rfi
for
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
about
this
is
this:
is
it
shows
it
says
it's
covered
related,
but
it's
also
recurring
expense.
N
Rarely
do
we
enjoy
reoccurring
expenses
that
are
coveted
related,
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
share
with
me
what
what
this,
what
this
expense
is
for
and
why
we
need
it
recurring.
P
Yes,
sir,
certainly
so,
citizen
scheduling
was
one
of
the
applications
that
we
implemented
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
We
we
sort
of
looked
across
what
what
are
some
of
the
applications
and
and
business
needs
that
the
agencies
had
been
asking
for.
We
used,
cares
dollars
for
the
initial
development
and
the
recurring
money
is
for
ongoing
software
licensing
so
that
we
can
continue
to
use
the
the
software
solution
that
we
implemented.
N
Sort
of
I
guess
the
the
thought
was:
is
that
wha?
What
would
be
an
instance
and
where
we
would
need
to
have
this
service
after
a
period.
H
Let
me
take
that
because
it's
a
great
question,
one
thing:
we've
learned:
actually
we
we
we
learned
this
partially
before
covet
ever
took
place
and
I'll
I'll
say
driver's
licensing,
I
think,
is
a
great
example
of
this.
H
When,
when
governor
lee
came
into
office,
we
started
experiencing
greater
and
greater
lines
out
out
the
doors
for
driver
being
able
to
receive
driver's
license,
and
so
at
that
point
there
was
not
a
scheduling
app
for
people
to
be
able
to
go
online
and
be
able
to
schedule
an
appointment
to
go
in
and
get
a
driver's
license.
H
That's
that's
just
that's
one
example
of
a
need
that
that
we're
going
to
have
ongoing
from
now
on.
I
think
it's
a
better
service
that
that
people,
our
citizens,
expect,
and
so
so
this
this
scheduling,
process
and
opportunity,
I
think,
will
will
will
demonstrate
itself
in
a
number
of
departments
that
they'll
be
able
to
go
online
and
even
even
even
go
on
their
mobile
app
and
be
able
to
to
schedule
an
appointment
for
whatever
service
that
they
need
may
need
from
any
particular
department.
A
Commissioner,
that
concludes
all
the
questions
on
my
list.
For
today
I
said
I
know
that
that
you
all
will
be
with
chairman
williams
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have
others
at
that
point,
but
thank
you
for
coming
over
a
bit
early
and
for
spending
the
time
with
us.
Helping
us
understand
how
f
a
works.
H
Let
me
can
I
I'll
say
one
thing
to
to
wrap
this
up.
I
know
that
this
this
is.
H
This
has
been
a
an
incredible
year
for
all
of
you
and
for
for
your
constituents,
and
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
how
much
we
appreciate
what
what
you've
done
and
the
input
that
that
we've
gotten
from
you
over
this
past
year,
as
we
all
try
to
better
serve
our
citizens
of
the
state,
and
so
thank
you
for
that,
and
we
just
appreciate
what
you've
done
and
we
appreciate
what
our
department's
able
to
do
as
a
as
a
part
of
that
process,
so
appreciate
that
and
thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Well,
as
we
know
it,
it
does
take
a
village.
This
is
a
very
large
village,
a
state
government
and
a
lot
of
branches.
But
we
are
we're
pleased
to
be
a
part
of
that
in
this
general
assembly,
and
we
thank
you
for
listening
at
least
sometimes
when
we
call
well,
you
always
listen.
We
try
it's
just
a
question
of
whether
or
not
we
get
the
the
answer.
A
We're
seeking,
but
thank
you
again
for
being
here
and
next
we
will
have
department
of
commerce
and
insurance,
we'll
again
give
our
folks
here,
just
a
minute
to
make
sure
we
sanitize
properly
and
not
put
anyone
at
risk
and
then
we'll
proceed.
H
H
A
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
being
responsible
and
our
sanitation
process,
but,
commissioner,
welcome,
thank
you
for
coming,
and
you
and
your
team
feel
free
to
have
a
seat
and
we're
gonna
just
jump
right
into
your
presentation.
R
All
right
well,
thank
you
so
much
to
the
chair
vice
chair
and
the
entire
committee
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
present
today
for
the
record.
My
name
is
carter
lawrence,
and
I
am
the
commissioner
of
the
tennessee
department
of
commerce
and
insurance
and
pleased
to
be
with
you
here
today
also
here
in
the
room
from
the
department
of
commerce
and
insurance.
I
have
to
my
immediate
left,
deputy
commissioner
chief
of
staff
and
chief
operating
officer,
jennifer
peck,
also
assistant
commissioner
paul
hartbarger,
deputy
commissioner
toby
compton
and
assistant
commissioner,
alex
lewis.
R
R
Additionally,
the
department
is
responsible
for
the
fire
and
codes
training,
academy,
firefighter
commission
law
enforcement,
training,
academy,
peace
officer
standards
and
training,
commission,
tenncare
oversight
and
the
administratively
attached
tennessee
emergency
communications
board
through
our
employees
and
programs.
The
important
work
done
by
our
department
daily
impacts,
all
6.8
million
tennessee
and
as
with
all
tennesseans
all
of
state
government
and
each
agency
2020
was
a
significantly
impactful
year
for
the
department
of
commerce
insurance.
R
In
addition
to
the
global
pandemic,
tennesseans
have
had
other
natural
disasters
to
recover
from
in
2020.
the
march
tornadoes
in
middle
tennessee
april
tornadoes
in
southeast
tennessee
and
a
derecho
which
hit
middle
tennessee
in
may.
I'm
proud
to
report
that,
despite
these
challenges,
we've
witnessed
the
resiliency
of
our
fellow
tennesseans
and
our
staff
has
had
the
honor
and
privilege
to
serve
our
customers
in
these
difficult
times.
R
At
the
onset
of
the
pandemic,
we
moved
the
majority
of
our
staff
from
two
full-time
work
from
home
and
prior
to
that
decision
just
about
a
year
ago
to
direct
our
staff
to
work
from
home
commerce.
Insurance
was
well
positioned
for
that
move
already,
having
approximately
75
of
our
staff
working
part-time
from
home
and
immediately
following
the
onset
of
the
kova
19
pandemic
and
working
with
sds
to
overcome
the
remaining
technology
challenges.
R
We
quickly
increased
our
work
from
home
staff
to
98
of
the
team.
Now
that
remaining
two
percent
of
the
team
that
did
have
to
come
in
the
office
was
needed
for
critical
mail
and
revenue
processing
and
they
were
provided
with
appropriate
protective
gear
and
also
comprehensive
health
instructions,
and
currently
I'm
proud
to
inform
you
that,
because
we
understand
that
many
of
our
customers
rely
on
in
person
customer
service,
we
have
safely
reopened
our
customer
service
center
on
a
limited
basis.
R
So,
whether
online
or
in
limited
in-person
interactions,
our
customers
are
still
receiving
best-in-class
customer
service
from
our
staff
and
we
continue
to
respond
in
a
timely
and
efficient
manner
to
all
customer
needs.
So
I
now
like
to
move
on
to
some
graphs
that
exhibit
the
impact
of
cover
19
on
our
customers.
R
As
you
can
see,
this
first
chart
shows
license
renewals
for
our
regulated
professions,
comparing
total
renewals
by
month
for
2019
and
2020..
While
there
was
a
dip
in
renewals
in
march
and
april
2020
we've
since
witnessed
a
robust
recovery
that
started
in
may.
The
decline
in
renewals
in
march
and
april
was
likely
not
due
to
professionals
leaving
their
professions,
but
simply
delaying
their
renewals.
Thanks
to
the
regulatory
flexibility
provided
by
the
governor
in
the
executive
orders,
the
pandemic
and
move
to
distance
based
customer
service
has
further
accelerated.
R
Turning
to
the
second
slide
on
the
impact
of
cova
19
on
our
customers,
you
can
here
see
a
comparison
of
licensed
insurance
agents
by
month
for
2019
and
2020..
Thanks
to
our
balanced
regulatory
approach,
tennessee
is
welcoming
to
new
insurance
agents
and,
as
you
can
see,
tennessee
continues
to
witness
steady
growth
in
this
industry.
R
At
the
end
of
2020,
we
had
over
225
000
licensed
insurance
agents
in
tennessee,
adding
over
23
000
additional
insurance
producers,
which
compares
to
just
over
200
000
at
the
end
of
2019,
and
that
represents
an
11
increase.
Over
last
year.
In
2020
55
insurance
companies
were
newly
licensed
in
tennessee,
bringing
the
new
total
to
1
907.
R
R
In
this
final
slide,
demonstrating
the
impact
of
coven
19
on
our
customers,
you
can
see
a
comparison
of
electrical
inspections
by
month
for
2019
and
2020..
Overall,
the
slide
shows
robust
demand
from
our
customers
in
this
field,
demonstrating
that
construction,
as
shown
here
via
new
building
electrical
inspections,
remains
quite
strong.
R
As
you
can
see
here,
total
commerce
insurance
revenues
for
fiscal
year
2020
was
1.25
billion
compared
against
1.2
billion
for
fiscal
year,
2019
presents
a
year-over-year
increase
of
approximately
3.7
percent
for
all
divisions
fiscal
year.
21
and
22
revenues
are
expected
to
be
at
or
beyond
their
pre-covered
levels.
R
Slide
7
continues.
The
theme
of
coven
19's
impact
on
revenue,
comparing
revenues
from
2019
and
2020
for
our
insurance
division,
as
well
as
the
administratively
attached
emergency
communications
board
for
fiscal
year
2020,
our
insurance
premium
tax
was
1.039
billion
compared
to
1.003
billion
for
2019..
This
is
a
year-over-year
increase
of
approximately
3.6
percent.
R
The
final
slide
on
the
topic
of
the
impact
of
cova
19
on
revenues
compares
fiscal
year
2019
with
fiscal
year,
20;
revenues
for
the
fire
academy,
fire
prevention,
insurance
fees,
regulatory
boards,
securities,
tenncare
oversight
and
toledo,
and
the
post
commission
between
fiscal
year,
2019
and
2020.
All
of
these
had
modest
increases,
except
for
tim
care
oversight,
which
experienced
a
4.9
percent
decrease
and
to
lead
in
the
post
commission,
which
experienced
a
21.8
percent
decrease
in
revenue,
which
is
chiefly
related
to
the
cancellation
of
a
class
at
the
onset
of
the.
R
This
increase
is
predominantly
from
a
statutorily
mandated
cost
increase
for
e-911,
which
requires
that
we
distribute
additional
funds
raised
from
the
monthly
surcharge
increase.
The
governor's
budget
also
includes
55
million
529
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
in
departmental
current
service
and
interdepartmental
revenues.
R
R
828
positions
does
represent
a
decrease
from
the
crest
of
985
positions
in
2011
and
that
reflects
the
departure
of
the
tennessee
corrections
institute,
the
division
of
consumer
affairs
and
fire
investigative
services
from
the
department
and
taken
together.
Those
three
agencies
represent
56
positions.
R
I
will
discuss
these
three
additional
positions
in
more
detail
a
little
bit
later
in
the
presentation
of
tdci's
260
million
dollar
annual
operating
budget
all,
but
29
million
comes
from
dedicated
revenue
streams
that
are
statutorily
mandated
to
fund
the
department's
specific
operations
and
of
the
29
million
dollars
in
general
fund
appropriations.
17.3
million
represents
pass-through
money
for
payment
of
the
annual
police
and
firefighter
pay
supplements
which
are
set
by
statute.
R
R
The
department
continues
to
carefully
monitor
and
reduce
spending
where
appropriate,
within
programs
that
are
funded
by
dedicated
revenue
streams.
These
efforts
are
reflective
of
the
focus
by
all
program
areas
to
continuously
approve
and
find
ways
to
gain
additional
efficiencies.
These
efficiency
measures
have
allowed
the
department
to
consistently
revert
savings
back
to
the
general
fund.
R
Turning
first
to
e-911,
legislation
passed
in
the
last
session,
increased
the
e-911
surcharge
on
telephones
from
a
dollar
sixteen
per
month
to
a
dollar
fifty
per
month.
As
a
result,
the
emergency
communications
board
requests
an
increase
of
three
thirty
four
million
nine
hundred
eighteen
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
in
order
to
distribute
the
additional
funds
to
the
emergency
communication.
Districts
tcb
will
utilize
these
funds
to
sustain
and
enhance
e-911
at
the
local
level.
R
Turning
next
to
the
category
of
law
enforcement
officer,
death
benefits,
the
governor's
budget
recommends
an
increase
of
150
000.
This
increase
is
also
related
to
new
legislation
which
increased
the
death
payments
from
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
one
year
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
annually.
For
five
consecutive
years,
funding
currently
exists
to
pay
for
four
deaths.
However,
tragically,
the
commission
is
scheduled
to
pay
for
at
least
seven
deaths
in
fiscal
year
2022
and
therefore
request
an
additional
150
000
for
funding
these
additional
death
benefits.
R
R
Since
the
full
price
of
examinations
is
paid
by
the
insurance
companies,
it
is
expected
that
adding
this
position
would
result
in
no
additional
cost
to
the
state.
Second,
to
provide
sufficient
resources
to
support
the
growth
of
the
captive
insurance
program
in
the
state.
The
governor
is
requesting
one
additional
position.
R
Third,
the
governor
is
requesting
one
insurance
financial
analyst
position
for
the
insurance
division.
This
position
will
review
the
financial
solvency
of
insurance
companies
doing
business
in
the
state.
This
work
is
necessary
to
help
protect
consumers
and
provide
for
effective
and
efficient
regulation.
A
Commissioner,
we
had
asked
for
a
ten
minutes
or
less
presentation,
so
we've
gone
a
bit
over
if
we
could
just
stop
here
and
we'll.
Let
folks
have
that
slide
in
front
of
them
if
they
have
additional
questions
about
that,
we
can
get
to
them
during
our
q
a,
but
we
really
need
to
we're
on
a
tight
timeline
here.
So
thank
you.
First
on
my
list,
chairman
williams,.
N
N
There's
35
million
dollars
in
the
budget,
there's
an
additional
10
million
dollars
over
what
we
passed
last
year.
I
guess,
what's
what
gives
I
mean?
I
thought
it
was
supposed
to
be
25
million.
Now
it's
35
million
was,
did
we
just
use
a
number
and
multiply
it
and
we
did
some
poor
math
or
was
there
something
that
we
didn't
know
about?
So.
R
Great
question
and
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
some
calculation
errors
and
if
it's
okay,
I'll
let
assistant
commissioner
hartberger
talk
to
that
a
little
bit
more.
But
before
I
turn
over
him,
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
additional
funds
which
we
now
believe
are
calculated
correctly
will
be
paid
out
to
the
districts
in
accordance
with
the
existing
structure.
So
nothing
will
change
there
and
paul
if
you
would
expound
on
that.
Please.
S
O
Now,
okay,
hi
again
paul
hartberger.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
you
committee.
We
there
we
located
two
errors
in
the
calculation
that
was
provided
to
you
to
calculate
this.
One
was,
instead
of
calculating
the
amount
of
fee
that
would
increase
per
subscriber.
It
was
done
on
a
pro
rata
basis
which
led
to
we
could
show
you
the
math.
N
I
guess
the
question
is,
though,
should
should
we
have
increased
the
number
as
much
or
is
there
a
need,
for
I
mean
every
department
in
the
state
would
love
to
have
a
10
million
additional
dollars
in
what
they
asked
for.
I
guess
the
question
is:
should
should
we
revise
this,
or
is
it
absolutely
necessary
to
have
the
10
million
additional
dollars.
R
So
we
would
not
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
administratively
attached
tecb
as
to
those
funds.
Specifically,
I
do
want
to
stress
that
the
math
that
assistant
commissioner
hart
barger
was
talking
about
is
the
correct
application
of
the
surcharge
increase
that
was
done
by
the
joint
resolution
last
year.
So
the
numbers
are
definitely
now
correct
as
to
the
funds
themselves,
though,
with
respect
would
hand
that
off
to
tecb,
which
I
mentioned
is
administratively
attached
to
allow
them
to
speak
to.
N
Okay,
just
one
other
follow-up
question
in
regards
to
9-1-1.
Obviously
we
had
a
christmas
day
bombing
in
downtown
nashville,
the
the
many
of
our
constituents
in
areas
across
the
state
lost
9-1-1
service.
Because
of
that
I
guess
the
question
is:
have
we
done
anything
to
ensure
that
that
doesn't
happen?
Did
we
get
any
federal
funding
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
happen?
If
you
could
speak
to
that,
that
would
be
good
yeah.
Absolutely.
R
Also,
there
is
currently
an
rfp
that
is
being
formulated
for
the
new
contract
for
next
generation,
9-1-1,
that
the
tec-b
board
is
working
on
and
hopes
to
have
live
soon
as
far
as
att
themselves.
They
have
not
yet
appeared
at
the
tecb
board
meetings,
but
I
know
there
have
been
conversations
about
that
and
there
is
a
desire
to
hear
directly
from
a
t
as
to
what
happened
and
what
should
have
happened
and
the
conversation
moving
forward.
A
On
just
a
follow-up
comment
to
representative
williams,
original
line
of
questioning-
I
it
does
concern
me
a
little
and
I'm
not
faulting
anybody's,
math
or
whatever,
but
the
fact
that
we
have
inadvertently
if
you
will
provided
an
additional
10
million
dollars
resource
to
an
organization,
does
give
me
pause,
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we
might
need
to
look
to
those
organizations
to
do
some
additional
redundancy
reliability.
A
Some
other
kinds
of
functions
that
could
be
funded
with
that
10
million
dollars,
because
the
fee
was
predicated
on
them
being
able
to
do
x.
A
Now
they
have
x
plus
y
dollars
at
their
disposal,
and
I
would
really
like
for
some
organization,
this
organization
and
others
to
have
a
little
bit
of
oversight
control
input
if
you
will
and
to
have
that
additional
10
million
dollars
is
allocated.
So
just
this
point
for
the
record
next
on
my
list,
representative
lamar.
E
Thank
you,
chair
lady,
the
michelini
is
appropriations.
Portion
of
the
proposed
budget
includes
almost
5
million
recurring
to
fund
administration
administration
legislation
relative
to
volunteer
firefighter
training.
So
my
two
questions
are
very
quick
questions.
Would
your
department
administer
this
in
the
same
way
you
administer
the
current
firefighter
training
supplements
and
which
should
be
the
funding
being
used?
Would
it
be
similar
to
the
800
supplement?
That's
currently
available
to
firefighters
and
police.
R
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
that's
absolutely
right.
It
would
be
administered
in
the
same
manner
and
would
be
available
just
at
the
different
amount,
that's
available
to
them
for
the
volunteer,
firefighters
and
we're
we're
really
proud
of
this
piece
of
legislation,
because
the
majority
of
tennessee
still
relies
on
volunteer
firefighters
and
it's
the
backbone
of
the
firefighting
service
in
tennessee
and
continuing
to
professionalize
and
incentivize.
New
entrants
into
this
is
vitally
important
to
protecting
lives
and
property,
and
we're
really
proud
of
the
inclusion
of
this
in
the
governor's
budget.
E
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
following
along
the
same
lines
as
representative
lamar's
questions
about
the
volunteer,
firefighters,
and
I
just
like
to
comment
that
being
from
a
rural
area,
I've
got
three
counties
and
only
have
one
fire
department
that
is
included
in
the
city
budgets,
all
the
others
are
volunteer
and
back
in
the
late
70s
I
suffered
a
home
fire
and
it
was
the
volunteer
fire
fighters
that
came
out
to
extinguish
the
fire.
So
I
see
that
they
constantly
are
having
problems
with
funding.
I
They
have
to
raise
their
own
money,
they
have
to
have
barbecues
and
everything
else
and
rely
on
the
community
some.
So
my
question
is,
with
this
miscellaneous
appropriations:
portions
of
the
proposed
budget.
It
also
includes
a
million
dollars
to
provide
non-reoccurring
funding
for
support
grants
to
the
volunteer
fire
departments.
R
This
proposal
is
an
increase
from
last
year's
budget
of
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
we
were
able
to
successfully
administer
for
providing
turn
equipment
funding
because,
as
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
volunteer
fire
departments
are
using
woefully
antiquated
turnout
gear,
which
of
course
threatens
the
lives
of
these
volunteers,
who
are
keeping
us
and
our
property
safe.
R
So,
in
the
same
way
that
that
500
000
was
administered
last
year,
we
would
administer
this
a
million
dollars
this
year,
where
we
are
providing
this
money
for
equipment
for
these
volunteer
fire
departments.
So
it's
primarily
focused
on
the
turnout
gear,
which
we
have
had
conversations
with
some
volunteer
fire
departments
that
are
using
20
30,
even
40
year
old
equipment
and
there's
generally
a
10
year.
Life
span
on
that
equipment.
I
You
may
have
answered
this,
but
will
it
be
similar
to
the
500
000
that
was
proposed
to
last
year's
budget?
Yes,
sir,
it
would
be-
and
if
I
may
cheer
lady
one
other
question,
I
would
like,
if
I
can
get
this
a
some
kind
of
report
that
says
to
which
counties
these
monies
went
to
and
how
much
I'd
like
to,
and
I'm
sure
other
representatives
as
well
would
like
to
know
what's
going
to
their
kids,
because
they're
they're
woefully
underfunded
in
every
way.
I
So
you
know,
there's
no
administration
costs,
no
labor
costs,
it's
just
trying
to
buy
equipment
and
keep
diesel
fuel
and
gasoline
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
they
really
do
provide
a
great
service.
Even
they
even
keep
our
insurance
down.
When
we
have
a
volunteer
fire
department,
it
greatly
reduces
the
amount
of
insurance
fire
insurance
that
we
have
to
pay
on
our
businesses
and
our
homes.
A
A
All
right,
commissioner,
thank
you
again
for
coming
being
with
us
today
and
thanks
for
the
information
that
you
provided,
and
I
think
we
may
be
having
some
additional
conversation
about
the
e911
issue,
and
I
think
this
committee
would
appreciate
an
update
on
chairman
williams
question
as
to
how
we're
going
what
we're
going
to
do
in
a
world
that
continues
to
surprise
us
with
how
with
tragedies
that
can
happen,
what
we're
going
to
do
to
make
our
911
system
more
redundant.
A
So
if,
if
you
can
just
kind
of
keep
us
in
the
loop,
as
those
conversations
occur,
we'd
appreciate
it.
R
A
A
Next,
we'll
be
hearing
from
our
the
military
again
we'll
have
our
quick
break
for
cleaning.
C
A
Welcome
to
our
military
department,
general
holmes.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
with
your
team
today
and,
as
one
of
my
committee
members
pointed
out,
it's
fitting
that
you
are
here
now
with
this
group.
We
are
the
few
the
proud,
the
remnant
of
the
finance
committee.
A
We
are
the
dedicated
part
of
this
group,
but
we
do,
as
you
know,
they're
competing
activities
here
in
the
legislature
on
a
regular
basis,
so
we've
had
to
have
some
people
step
in
and
out,
but
I
don't
think
that's
a
reflection
on
our
interest
in
what
you're
going
to
share
with
us,
because
it
is
not
we're
very
interested,
and
with
that
I
would
I'm
just
turning
it
over
to
you
and
ask
you
to
proceed
with
your
presentation.
S
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chairwoman.
I'm
jeff
holmes
76th
adjutant
general.
I've
got
a
host
here
with
me,
so
I'll
just
go
around
and
introduce
each
one
of
those
patrick
sheehan
to
my
left,
the
director
of
tema
and
then
colonel
jason
glass
is
our
assistant.
Adjunct
general,
heir,
kevin
alexander.
S
Extreme
right
is
our
comptroller,
a
new
comptroller,
two
or
three
months
now
so
glad
to
have
him
on
board.
Melissa.
Hux
is
team
of
chief
of
staff,
colonel
milligan
facilities,
management
officer
and
libby.
Donahue
is
the
general
counsel
dennis
adams,
director
of
administrative
services,
and
then
nick
atwood
is
my
legislative
liaison
officer,
and
with
that
I
would
just
kind
of
excuse
me:
go
through
a
big,
just
a
kind
of
a
summary
wave
tops
in
order
to
kind
of
present
to
you.
S
Our
top
items
primarily
focus
on
some
of
our
increased
items
and
then
let
you
ask
questions
and
then
we
can
do
a
deeper
dive
on
any
one
of
those
categories.
S
So,
madam
as
a
frame
of
reference,
our
total
funding
is
approximately
107
million
dollars,
and
that
includes
both
federal
and
state
frame
of
reference.
Our
national
guard.
We
really
have
two
primary
divisions:
the
national
guard
component,
which
both
consist
of
army
and
air,
and
then
we
have
tema
and
we
have
a
small
percentage.
That's
administrative
services,
things
like
war
records
things
of
that
nature.
S
We
have
five
budget
items
today,
we'd
like
to
present
two
of
those
are
tema
related
and
then
two
of
those
are
army,
national
guard
items
and
there's
some
sub
categories
within
that
I'll
start
with
tennessee
emergency
management
and
then
I'll
defer
to
director
sheehan
to
go
through
the
details,
but
they
represent
two
items
that
we'd
like
to
discuss
and
those
include
the
team
of
warehouse
which
is
a
significant
item,
and
obviously
it's
been
very
important
here
in
the
past
year
and
we're
asking
for
1.2
million
dollars,
reoccurring,
state
dollars
for
that,
and
then
we
can
discuss
the
tema
regional
office
in
chattanooga,
which
is
the
fourth
team
office
and
there's
some
data,
that's
driving
the
need
for
that.
S
I
think
there's
a
very
well
thought
out.
Performa
that
illustrates
the
cost
savings
of
establishing
that
based
on
population
growth
and
then
the
efficiency
of
of
saving
travel
time
of
trying
to
service
that
region
with
our
third
office,
both
well
both
middle
tennessee
and
east
tennessee,
and
just
simply
the
travel
time
it
takes
to
to
get
down
there
and
that
can
be
a
portion
and
equate
that
back
to
actual
productivity.
B
B
We
no
surprise
to
anybody,
that's
living
in
tennessee
or
in
the
general
assembly
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
warehousing
operations
since
cobit
to
provide
personal,
protective
equipment
and
medical
material
and.
B
We
have
a
warehouse
now
it's
funded
100,
federal
funding
as
an
eligible
expense,
but
at
some
point
that
will
sunset-
and
there
is
some
thought
that
we
should
have
some
level
of
warehousing
carrying
forward.
And
so
this
one
year,
non-recurring
ask
here,
is
to
buy
us
time
to
figure
out
what
that
permanent
or
longer-term
footprint
should
be,
and
it
also
buys
us
time
to
to
surplus
and
do
other
administrative
things
that
may
be
outside
of
whatever
the
period
of
performance
or
eligibility
for
the
federal
grants
are
for
the
chattanooga
office.
B
I
think
in
the
last
year
I
mean
it's
it's
hard
to
believe
this
is
53
weeks
ago
today,
since
the
tornadoes
of
march
3rd.
But
we
also
then
had
tornadoes
in
the
middle
of
april
that
hit
from
chattanooga
as
your
wear
ma'am
all
the
way
up.
Eastern
part
of
the
eastern
grand
division
of
tennessee
and
for
some
time
now,
general
holmes
and
myself
had
had
been
monitoring.
B
How
much
time
our
district
coordinators
were
spending,
what
we
call
windshield
time
so
driving
to
meetings
driving
to
meet
with
our
county
emergency
management
partners.
Our
first
responder
partners
and
we
hypothesize
that
we
can
turn
that
into
time
of
productivity
time,
where
we're
shoulder
to
shoulder
time,
where
we're
actually
training
and
improving,
as
opposed
to
time,
spent
just
burning
rubber
on
asphalt,
and
so
that's
the
the
genesis
behind
when
we
we
examined
the
number
of
hours
we
were
spending.
Our
team
was
spending
on
the
road.
A
S
Thank
you,
ma'am.
Okay,
no
further
questions,
ma'am,
we'll
move
to
the
the
military
portion
of
the
the
budget
increases.
The
first
one
is
for
two
positions,
one
of
those
being
an
assistant
commissioner,
which
would
be
the
deputy
adjutant
general
of
army,
and
it
would
be
a
similar
position
to
that
colonel
glassfield's
on
the
air
side.
The
result
of
that,
as
was
I
pulled
up,
and
I
now
have
a
deputy
agent
general
major
general
tommy
baker
and
so
he's
a
he's.
S
A
dual
hatted
state
federal
employee
moved
him
up
as
my
deputy
and
then
that
vacated
the
assistant
agent
general
army
position.
We
filled
that
with
a
federal
technician,
a
deal-headed
technician,
so
that
was
just
a
result
based
on
the
opportunity
that
individual,
brigadier
general
cole
was
already
a
federal
technician.
So
we
just
elevated
him
up
and-
and
it's
it's
still
that
technician,
but
it
does
need
to
convert
to
the
dealheaded
state
federal
because
he's
it
was
just
an
opportunity
because
of
his
position.
S
So,
with
the
roofing
warranty,
there's
certain
required
inspections
that
have
to
be
performed
or
otherwise
the
warranty
would
be
invalid,
and
this
covers
things
that
nature,
and
this
has
to
do
with
hvac
systems,
roofs
other
things
to
maintain
and
get
the
ex
the
true
life
out
of
that
warranty
and
then
the
other
deferred
maintenance
items
are
efficiency
items
whether
it
could
be
water
leaks
or
just
system
upgrades.
S
You
know
they
don't
make
parts
for
the
system
or
anything
like
that,
and
you
would
spend
more
money.
You
know
these
are
small
system
replacements,
but
you
really
wouldn't
have
the
ability
to
to
fix
a
lot
of
those
components,
and
so
that's
that's
really
the
the
basis
of
our
cost
increases.
It
would
should
be
noted
that
previously
we've
been
funded
on
86
86
cents
on
on
the
square
foot
for
our
facilities.
S
A
Thank
you
general.
We
do
have
some
questions
and
questionnaires
on
our
list,
beginning
with
chairman
whitson.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
general
and
director
shin
really
appreciate
y'all
being
here
today,
and
I
have
great
respect
for
you
and
your
team.
You
all
do
great
things
for
our
state
and
it's
recognized,
and
my
first
question
was:
can
you
get
me
back
on
active
duty,
but
that
was
not
on
the
list.
That
was.
N
Friend
told
me
if
I
go
back
on
active
duty,
we've
lost
the
war
so
we're
in
bad
shape.
This
may
be
more
appropriate
for
director
sheehan
regards
the
unfunded
request.
In
addition
to
the
11
positions
that
are
proposed
to
establish
the
new
tema
regional
office,
the
department
requested
an
additional
nine
emergency
management
positions
for
around
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars.
N
They
were
not
included
in
the
proposed
budget.
Can
you
tell
us
what
those
functions
that
will
be
performed
by
these
new
positions?
Director.
B
Chairman
whitson,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
what
would
the
nine
positions
that
were
not
funded
before.
N
B
They
were
so
they
were
programmatic
positions
to
help
address
some
of
the
increased
and
anticipated
workload,
and
things
like
increasing
the
number
of
people
that
can
help
with
adjudicating
nfip
requests
national
flood
insurance
program,
which
has
been
under
tema
for
about
two
years
now,
and
some
other
programmatic
things
that
we
asked
to
explore.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
general
director,
carl.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
My
you
didn't
mention
it
briefly
in
your
earlier
remark
with
the
warehouse
and
the
1.3
million
dollars
in
the
budget
for
the
warehouse.
What
what
sort
of
supplies
will
be
stored
there,
and
then
I
guess,
secondly,
is
what
we're
going
to
do
if
we
have
a
disaster,
make
sure
those
supplies
don't
expire?
What's
what's
what's
the
basis
of
that
warehouse,
if
you
could
elaborate
that'd
be
great.
Thank
you.
B
So
we
have
a
material
stored
and
have
for
years
for
shelters
and
food
stuffs
and
water
in
some
limited
fashion,
in
some
of
our
buildings
that
are
getting
they're,
probably
on
the
old
side
of
the
at
the
average
age
that
get
definitely
over
50
years
old
and
there's
not
been
a
slowdown
in
disaster.
Since,
since
I
have
started
here
five
years
ago,
in
fact,
I
would
say
not
because
of
me,
but
the
number
of
disasters
has
increased
in
tennessee.
The
pace
of
them
seems
to
be
quickening,
and
it's
not
just
tennessee.
B
It's
also
our
neighbors,
and
so
we
do
a
good
job
currently
with
turning
over
food
stuffs
that
we
use,
shelf,
stable
meals
and
bottled
water
and
shelter
kits
and
so
shelter
kits,
are
cots
and
pillows
and
blankets
and
sundries
that
are
necessary
because,
quite
frankly,
we're
going
to
have
other
things
that
are
going
to
cause
us
to
need
to
open
shelters.
B
If
it
can
happen
and
if
it
has
happened,
it
will
happen
again
and
part
of
what
we're
charged
with
statutorily
by
this
body
is
to
prepare
the
state
for
catastrophic
disaster,
and
we
have
opportunities
to
improve
that.
So
certainly,
medical
equipment
will
be
a
part
of
what
we're
storing
in
the
future
n95s
at
this
a
year
ago.
N95S
were
not
to
be
found
anymore.
B
Gowns
masks
gloves
to
the
second
part
of
your
question
there.
What
will
we
do
to
help
maintain
them?
Is
I
intend
that
we'll
partner
with
hospital
systems
and
our
and
the
tennessee
department
of
health
to
find
ways
to
turn
that
inventory
over
so
rather
than
just
buying
a
generic
n95
respirator?
For
instance,
we
would
find
what
is
what
are
the
hospital
systems
using,
and
I
would
think
that
they
would
be
open
to
increasing
as
a
measure
for
the
common
good
to
helping
us
turn
over
inventory.
B
So
when
they
order,
whatever
brand
of
n95
respirator
or
whatever
brand
of
latex
or
non-latex,
gloves
that
they
would
work
with
us
to
turn
that
over,
so
that
we
always
have
a
churn
in
our
inventory,
I
think
we
can.
Similarly,
we
can
probably
do
better
things
with
our
our
water
and
our
food
to
help
turn
that
over
and
we're
certainly
examining
ways
for
us
to
be
more
cost
effective
and
better
stewards
of
tennessee's
tax
dollars.
N
Thank
you
general
colonel
direction.
Thanks
for
coming,
I
noticed
you
found
your
in
in
the
pandemic.
You
finally
found
your
razor
last
time.
I
saw
you,
you
had
a.
S
N
But
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
you
team
directxion
received.
I
think
it
was
250
million
dollars
in
cares.
Act
funding
as
related
to
covet
19.
just
wanted
to
get
a
quick
update
on
where
we
were
where
we
are.
As
far
as
the
funding
of
that,
for
instance,
of
the
250
million
dollars,
have
you
utilized
most
or
all
of
it
and
just
kind
of
see
where,
where
we
are
on
the
balance
of
those
funds,.
B
Sir,
so
we're
actually
in
the
process
of
deprogramming
most
of
those
crf
dollars
now,
so
the
new
administration
made
some
changes
to
eligibility
for
the
stafford
act
and
so
we're
in
the
process.
Now
working
with
mr
nikki
john,
the
governor's
policy
advisor
and
commissioner
ely
in
the
fna
team
to
reprogram
those
dollars
against
stafford,
where
possible.
So
fema
did
a
couple
of
things
at
the
the
the
new
administration's
request,
which
is
one,
was
anything
that
was
deemed
eligible
from
20
january
2020
to
21
january
2021.
B
Similarly,
anything
moving
forward
from
21
january
2021
to
30
september
of
this
federal
fiscal
year
that
we
find
ourselves
in
now,
they've
also
deemed
to
be
100
eligible
under
stafford
act.
So
we
we
were
using
those
crf
dollars
as
a
the
25
state
and
federal
cost
share
and
state
and
local
cost
share
for
the
non-federal
share
and
we're
no
longer
in
a
position
where
we
have
to
do
that.
So
we're
working
to
fine-tune
what
those
figures
are
now
now
we
did
do
a
lot
that
is
still
considered
ineligible
last
year.
B
So
when
we
provided
ppe
to
ppe,
sanitation
materials,
cleansing
supplies
to
every
classroom
in
the
state
of
tennessee
fema
deemed
those
actions
ineligible
as
an
increased
operating
cost.
These
partitions
here,
for
instance,
fema
deemed
those
as
an
increased
operating
cost
rather
than
as
extra
and
rather
than
an
extraordinary
measure
for
the
pandemic.
I
disagree
with
that.
We
continue
to
fight
them
on
it,
but
at
this
time
those
types
of
actions
will
still
be
funded
under
crf.
N
Okay,
so
well,
if
you
could,
based
on
what
you're
telling
me
there's
some
still
some
un
unutilized
dollars
there.
I
think
what
the
the
this
committee
and
the
chaired
lady,
and
I
would
like
to
see,
is
how
we're
doing
that
and
and
how
we're
or,
if
we're,
still
able
to
do
that,
I
would
say
that
these
dividers
mess
with
productivity
a
lot,
I
would
say
yeah,
but
they
are
obviously
needed
here
as
well
as
in
the
classroom.
N
N
We
found
that
the
printing
press
in
in
dc
has
not
begun
to
ease
at
all,
and
even
though
we
have
a
plethora
of
monies
coming
to
the
state,
it's
very
difficult
to
utilize
them
in
efficient
ways
and
still
meet
their
parameters,
and
it's
my
understanding,
we're
probably
going
to
get
another
almost
4
billion
dollars
in
this
next
phase.
So
I
would
really
appreciate
your
help
there.
If
we
can.
Thank
you
again,
sir.
Thank
you.
J
S
I
will
probably
defer
to
colonel
milligan
sitting
behind
me.
Some
of
this,
some
of
the
deferred
maintenance
items
or
the
maintenance
type
items
will
actually
prevent
from
having
a
capital
project.
So
if
you
have,
if
we
have
this
money,
then
we
can
do
small
repairs,
whereas
we
would
have
to
wait
if
we
didn't
have
this
money
and
apply,
for
you
know,
milcon
dollars
to
get
a
capital
projects
established,
which
then
could
take
a
couple
years.
S
So
we
we
kind
of,
took
a
look
at
the
you
know
either
or
if
you
just
wait
until
you
ask
for
the
money
based
on
the
capital
project
or
you
put
an
account,
so
we
can
maintain
those
without
drawing
it
out
to
a
longer
period
of
time
and
having
that
additional,
you
know
growth
or
acceleration
of
cost
and
then
the
additional
cost
of
designers
and
so
forth
and
I'll
defer
to
colonel
milligan.
To
any
add
any
other
items.
E
E
O
Roughly
40
million
about
25
of
that
state
share.
That
number
is
not
going
down
until
we
can
see
the
impact.
How
much
improvement
we'll
make
this
increase
gets
us
all
of
the
predictive
preventative
stuff
that
we've
got
to
do.
We
still
have
a
those
small
projects
that
are
not
to
the
building
commission
level,
we'll
be
able
to
address
the
majority
of
those
that
we
have
but
year
to
year.
The
goal
is
to
reduce
the
capital
outlay
request
that
we've
been
submitting
and
that's
how
we've
lived
for
the
past
several
years
is
through
capital
outlay.
O
On
our
capital
maintenance
side,
sir,
it's
all
deferred
maintenance
by
nature
of
the
definition,
a
capital
improvements
project
that
takes
a
space
that
has
been
completely
neglected
and
converts
it
that
the
current
project
that
we
successfully
bid
this
year
in
knoxville
points
to
that.
That's
truly
a
maintenance
item,
but
we're
doing
so
much
of
the
building
to
bring
it
up
to
code.
It
falls
in
the
improvements
category
so
outside
of
building
a
new
facility
which
we
are
replacing
our
mcmenville
armory
this
year
that
past
last
cycle.
G
S
Well,
sir,
I'm
I
am
so
glad
you've
asked
that
question
because
I'd
like
to
brag
about
that,
though
tennessee
is
the
seventh
largest
population
populated
state,
and
we
have
provided
the
fourth
number
of
soldiers
and
airmen
deployed
since
9
11..
S
S
We
just
got
additional
dwell
time
so
up
until
actually
this
year
they
were
deploying
one
in
every
four
years.
So
three
years
dwell
time.
One
year's
deployment
now
we've
extended
that
to
five.
That's
just
so.
Our
soldiers
can
can
actually
just
maintain
a
civilian
career,
maintain
a
family
and
then
deploy
and
meet
those
needs.
S
We
have
three
wings
in
each
grand
division
of
the
state.
They
are
completely
operational,
many
of
those
every
day
and
every
night
the
air
force
rely
on
us
for
refueling,
with
our
kc-135s
out
of
knoxville.
Those
are
operational
virtually
every
every
week
we
have
missions
the
c-17s
those
those
aircraft
brought.
The
first
ppe
and
test
swabs
from
vicenza
italy
into
memphis,
the
very
first
of
all
the
54
states
and
territories.
S
So
our
forces
are
relied
upon
heavily
by
the
department,
army
and
department
of
air
force,
and
we
we
just
mobilized
our
our
high
mars
battalion
phil
artillery
battalion
yesterday
and
frankly,
put
the
combatic
commanders
desire
our
force
structure,
and
they
appreciate
the
readiness
that
our
soldiers
and
airmen
maintain
in
order
for
them
to
be
used
globally.
On
par
and
parallel
with
the
active
component.
A
I
noticed,
hopefully
the
real
speaker
did
not
thank
you
all
of
you
for
being
here
and
for
the
work
that
you
do
to
protecting
the
state
and
this
nation.
I
think
you've
your
comments
general
just
now
pointing
to
the
fact
we
are
the
tennessee
volunteer.
We
are
the
volunteer
state
for
a
reason,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note,
as
you
did,
that
we
not
only
have
people
who
volunteer
but
they're
capable
there's
all
sorts
of
people
might
volunteer,
but
they
might
not
be
worth
so
much
in
the
field.
A
So
we
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
make
sure
that
the
folks
in
your
command
are
prepared
and
are
you
know,
willing,
not
only
willing
but
ready
and
have
the
training
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
when
they're
deployed
either
overseas?
Or
you
know
in
our
own,
you
guys
have
played
a
huge
role
in
coveted
relief.
There's
there's
just
been
so
many
places
that
you
have
your
folks
have
stepped
up
and
we
appreciate
it
so
much
so.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
A
Thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
and
with
that
we
will
be
back
in
session.
A
A
Thank
you
again,
all
right
that
completes
our
calendar
for
today.
If
there
are
any
further
business
to
come
before
the
committee.