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House Health Subcommittee - February 24, 2021 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
Health
committee
process
forms
must
be
submitted
to
megan
tidrick
in
house
health,
full
committee,
not
the
research
analyst
harris
king
to
my
right.
The
forms
will
be
due
the
same
day
as
all
health
amendments
are
due
into
megan
in
chairman
terry's
office
by
email,
which
is
the
deadline,
is
monday
at
10
a.m.
Just
like
the
amendments
I
want
to
encourage
all
of
you
to
submit
the
process
form
early,
so
committee
members
can
be
better
informed
and
have
an
idea
of
the
intent
of
your
legislation.
A
I
want
you
to
tell
the
other
sponsors
of
bills,
your
friends,
the
lobbyists
that
that
we
need
to
get
these
in,
so
that
we'll
be
well
informed
and
can
can
take
measures
with
your
bill
so,
according
and
by
instructed
to
dr
know
I'll
be
in
the
hallway.
So
you
can
stick
splinters
in
my
hand
after
the
meeting
so
we'll
move
on.
We
have
two
bills
on
this
calendar.
One
is
house
bill
10
by
chairman
reedy,
and
that
has
been
rolled
one
week.
A
B
Chairman
and
I
appreciate
the
your
indulgence
there
and
thank
you
committee,
if
you'll
indulge
me
for
about
four
minutes,
I
just
want
to
introduce
my
bill
and
what
the
purpose
of
it
is.
When
people
look
at
what's
happened
in
the
united
states
in
the
last
12
months,
they've
seen,
governments
do
things
all
across
this
country
that
have
never
ever
happened
in
the
history
of
the
united
states
and
it
scares
them
and
they
have
every
right
to
be
afraid.
B
B
B
We
did
all
that
and
people
don't
understand
why
and
it
scares
them,
and
I
think
they
have
every
right
to
be
afraid.
Then
they
ask
questions
about
government.
Does
government
have
a
constitutional
authority
to
limit
the
movement
and
quarantine,
sick
people
and
most
constitutionalists
say?
Yes,
they
do
some
say:
no,
they
don't.
But
then
the
question
comes:
does
government
have
the
constitutional
authority
to
limit
the
movement
and
attempt
to
quarantine?
B
B
B
B
Every
man,
every
woman,
every
child
in
this
state,
it's
all
inclusive
and
when
public
health
becomes
the
highest
law
and
liberty
and
freedom
gets
set
aside,
then
because
it's
all
inclusive,
it's
unlimited,
which
means
the
state's
unlimited
and
the
state
holds
hands
with
the
medical
community
and
they
are
unlimited
in
their
influence
and
what
they
deal
with
with
every
man.
Every
woman,
every
child
in
this
state.
B
B
B
These
five
doctors
say
that
it's
a
misnomer
to
call
it
a
vaccine.
It
does
not
meet
the
definition
of
what
tennessee
says
a
vaccine.
Is
they
say
a
more
accurate
term
would
be
genetic
modification
or
genetic
therapy,
but
when
people
look
down
the
road
and
see
this
come
out
in
five
months
and
see
government
push
it
based
on
everything
they
have
seen
for
the
past
12
months,
it
scares
them
and
they
say
when
you
get
enough
supply
of
this
vaccine,
it
will
not
be
voluntary
anymore.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
and-
and
let
me
say
first
that
that
I
don't
I
I
don't
think
fear
of
vaccines
is,
is
something
that
showed
up.
12
months
ago,
I've
been
in
public
office
for
30
years,
and
the
first
day
I
ever
took
office
in
1990.
There
was
a
fearful
vaccine
group
at
that
time.
So
this
this
is
not
a
new
phenomenon
and
I
I
would
open
this
up
for
questions.
Does
anybody,
dr
terry,
you
recognized.
C
Thank
you
chairman.
I
would
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
bringing
the
bill.
I
appreciate
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill
a
little
background
on
me
and
you
may
or
may
not
know
this.
You
know
I
obviously
did
get
the
vaccine
back
when
it
was
in
the
first
shot
back
in
december.
C
C
I
view
I
mean
we
had
an
emergency
use,
authorization
for
this
vaccine
and
it's
not
completely
fda
approved
and
that
may
take
years
for
them
to
get
that
away
from
the
emergency
use
authorization,
and
so
I
completely
understand
those
concerns.
I
agree.
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
The
and,
as
I've
told
people
a
few
years
ago,
we
passed
a
law
called
the
right
to
try
act
and
that's
how
I
kind
of
view
this
the
the
vaccines
that
are
out
there
right
now.
You
have
the
right
to
try.
C
You
have
the
right
not
to
try,
so
I'm
with
you
on
that.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
to
us
and
I'm
going
to
support
your
bill,
as
is
thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
I
agree
with
chairman
terry
on
all
of
this
really.
My
question
is
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
say:
they're
scared.
They
don't
want
to
be
forced
to
take
a
vaccine,
but
I
haven't
heard
anybody
in
any
anywhere
around
that
saying
that
they're
going
to
force
anybody
to
take
a
vaccine.
So
I
think
this
has
just
gotten
a
big
scare
tactic
going
that
people
think
they're
going
to
be
mandated
to-
and
I
haven't
heard
anybody
say
with
any
any
truth
at
all
that
they're
going
to
mandate
a
vaccine
chairman.
B
B
This
is
not
an
issue
of
vaccine
with
me.
This
is
issue
of
force
and
government
force
and
by
the
way
this
doesn't
apply
to
private
business.
I
don't
think
state
tennessee's
constitution
allows
us
in
the
legislature
to
knows
in
the
private
business
and
dictate
their
hiring
and
firing
practices.
That's
this
doesn't
apply
to
private
business.
This
is
government.
A
And
let
me
say:
we've
we've
got
another
question.
Let
me
say
that
I've
been
told
that
the
federal
law
protects
any
group
of
employees
over
15.
They,
it
extends
their
medical
and
religious
exemptions
to
to
employees
of
a
business.
That's
over
15.,
so
you're
exactly
right
on
that
that
that
stays
in
place.
So
this
is
this
does
have
a
different
application.
E
E
E
E
The
concern
I
have
is
that
I
think
one
concern
is
about
medical
facilities
requiring
their
employees
to
get
vaccinated,
to
protect
them,
as
well
as
preventing
those
employees
from
bringing
covid
or
other
diseases
into
their
medical
facility.
Do
you
think
that's
justifiable
for
medical
food?
My
hospital
would
at
times
require
me
to
go,
get
a
chest
x-ray
or
get
checked
for
a
condition
to
which
they
felt
at
the
hospital
we
might
have
been
exposed,
and
I
think
that
is
the
way
to
protect
people.
A
B
Again
with
private
hospitals,
I
I
have
no
control
over
that
they
they
can
design
any
policy
that
they
want
to.
This
deals
with
government
now
I
did
not
know
until
the
hospital
association
brought
it
to
my
attention
that
there
are
several
hospitals
in
tennessee
that
are
government-run
that
are
owned
by
cities
like
erlanger.
B
B
E
E
B
You
know
except
doctor,
I
would
probably
view
it.
The
other
way
is
down
the
road.
I
would
worry
about
it
becoming
forced
like
we
talked
about
and
that's
that's
why
I'm
running
the
bill,
dr
kumar.
B
Not
that
I
know
of
except
for
children
and
there's
there's
an
exception
to
get
out
of
that
we
haven't
had.
But
again,
the
whole
focus
with
this
bill
in
government
is
force
if
we've
not
had
it
before,
but
we
have
never
in
the
history
of
the
united
states
shut
down
a
school,
a
business,
a
church
limit,
the
movement
of
people
over
virus
ever
that
has
never
happened,
and
so,
when
you
look
at
where
we
were
and
what's
happened
in
the
last
12
months,
then
to
me
force
is
not
out
of
the
question
at
all.
E
E
E
F
G
E
So
what
will
happen
in
public
schools?
Children
can
come
to
that
school
without
being
vaccinated
and
potentially
bring
an
illness
into
the
school,
exposing
our
children
and
the
teachers.
I
mean
that
is
a
very,
very
major
thing.
It
is
our
duty
to
protect
those
children
if
we
want
them
in
school,
which
all
of
us
do
want.
B
From
what
I
can
read,
the
chances
of
a
child
dying
from
this
virus
is
point:
zero,
zero,
zero
three
and
I
think
there
is.
There
is
no
proof
that
asymptomatic
people
can
shed
this
disease
there's
an
assumption
that
it
happens,
but
there's
no
proof
that
it
happens.
Sick
people
certainly
can
so
it
turns
out
that
this
particular
virus
has
the
highest
infection
rate,
but
the
lowest
death
rate
of
any
virus
we've
had
so
again.
B
E
Would
like
to
humbly
correct
the
fact
that
yes,
asymptomatic
spread
is
very
common.
In
fact,
in
certain
studies,
60
of
the
spread
happened
from
asymptomatic
carriers
and
shatters
of
virus.
I
I
would
like
I
would
stand
behind
that
statement
so
coming
back
to
it
really
a
death
rate
of
0.003
for
our
children.
If
it
can
be
avoided,
every
child
is
precious.
We
really
can
should
not
take
that
chance,
and
I
think
that
is
a
very
major
flaw
in
this
legislation
that
would
allow
our
schools
and
our
children
to
be
at
risk.
E
H
E
B
I
was
just
trying
to
point
out
the
numbers
where
they
stand.
The
last
the
last
statistics
I
read
from
from
the
doctors
putting
out
those
numbers.
B
E
E
We
were
able
to
contain
the
death
toll
because
of
advanced
medical
advances
and
scientific
care,
and
still
that
death
toll
is
a
half
a
million
people,
but
once
again
coming
back
to
it,
I
think
it
will
be
sincerely
dangerous
for
us
to
allow
our
children
to
be
exposed,
because
some
children
can
come
to
school
without
vaccination
and
bring
illness.
We
apply
that
standard
to
other
vaccinations
in
the
school
system
at
this
time,
and
I
think
kovitch
should
not
be
an
exception
to
it,
and
thank
you
for
your
patience
with
me.
E
I
I
feel
as
a
physician.
I
feel
it
is
my
duty
not
to
allow
an
attitude
that
is
anti-medical,
establishment
or
anti-vaccine
to
even
settle,
if,
even
if
it
is
subtle
to
to
enter
our
society,
I
think
we
need
to
be
grateful
to
medical
science.
The
brave
workers
who
have
taken
care
of
these
patients,
the
health
care
workers
and
put
their
lives
at
risk,
the
70
000
people
who
volunteered
to
take
vaccination,
not
knowing
the
results
of
it
and
not
knowing
if
they
were
going
to
get
a
vaccination
or
they
were
going
to
get
placebo.
E
A
B
C
Thank
you
appreciate
that,
after
the
other
folks
have
spoken,
I
did
and
something
that
was
brought
that
you
brought
up
in
your
opening
remarks.
I
do
want
to
say
that
you
know
university
of
tennessee
did
make
mention
of
making
covid
vaccine
mandatory,
and
I
have
received
emails
on
that
and,
of
course
that
would
come
through
us,
so
that
is
that
is
out
there.
C
But
I
want
to
address
something
that
you
said
in
your
opening
remarks
that
has,
and
that
has
gone
on
in
this
discussion
and
it's
you
said
that
we
often
put
can
put
health
policy
above
individual
liberty,
and
I
kind
of
want
to
bring
this
back
into
terms
of
liberty
with
that,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
a
misnomer
on
that,
as
it
relates
to
health
policy
and,
as
we've
had
discussions
with
bills,
including
your
bill
as
it
relates
to
individual
liberties
and
particularly,
as
it
rate,
relates
to
hospitals
or
any
other
facilities
and
liberties
of
people
that
work
there.
C
The
term
that
I
often
use
is
egocentric
liberty.
When
you
think
of
your
own
liberty,
I
can
shadowbox
over
here
all
I
want,
but
when
I
come
in
and
I
get
close
enough
and
I
punch
you
in
the
nose
I'm
infringing
on
your
liberties,
and
so
when
we're
talking
about
an
individual's
liberty
not
to
be
vaccinated.
C
That's
great.
The
question
is
the
the
liberties
of
the
other
workers
or
the
the
the
other
students,
and
that's
that's
the
issue
at
hand,
how
we
want
to
protect
all
liberties
and
make
sure
that
we
have
everybody
protected
to
the
to
the
best
of
their
abilities
that
we
can
what's
different
in
this
bill
and
and
the
issue
that
we
that
I
have
with
the
current
co
the
cover
vaccine,
it's
under
emergency
use
authorization,
it's
not
fully
fda,
approved
and
so
to
your
point
on
your
bill.
C
If
this
does
not
pass
it
could
still,
people
could
still
mandate
a
nun.
A
non-completely
authorized
fda,
approved
vaccine
which
to
me
you're
infringing
on
those
individual
liberties,
even
those
that
are
in
a
facility
that
may
be
excluded.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
out.
Like
schools,
you
know
you're
talking
about
children.
C
Your
bill
does
not
prevent
someone
from
being
screened,
correct,
yeah.
So
if
they're
not
mandated
to
have
the
vaccine,
it's
not
even
approved
for
kids
right.
C
So
not
even
emergency
authorities
haven't
been
tested,
but
if
they,
if
someone
ends
up
mandating
that
you
know-
and
you
want
to
opt
out,
you
know
you
should
be
able
to
opt
out
but
you're,
not
preventing
them
from
screening
which
then
protects
the
individual
liberties
of
the
other.
Kids
correct.
C
F
Thank
you
and
we
we
spoke
earlier
about
this,
and-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
repeat
the
question
on
the
record.
I've
received
calls
from
many
of
the
hospitals
or
many
people
from
the
hospitals
in
my
district
and
their
concern.
The
language
of
this
force
require
coerce.
F
A
person
to
receive
the
immunization
or
vaccine
is
that
it
could
be
flipped
around
and
if
they
decide
to
incentivize
somebody
or
don't
allow
someone
who
isn't
vaccinated
to
work
in
a
wing
or
in
a
in
a
a
shift
that
they've
currently
been
operating
in
that
that
this
bill
would
would
force
the
hospital
maybe
to
to
do
away
with
their
policies
that
they
could
put
people
that
weren't
vaccinated
in
an
area
where
they
could
potentially
expose
vulnerable
patients
to
to
potentially
be
exposed
to
the
to
the
virus.
B
B
A
For
the
comments
or
questions
the
and-
and
let
me
say,
I
would
never
debate
the
spiritual
future
well-being
of
this
nation,
because
whenever
you
sing,
I
I
see
angel's
wings
flapping
and
I
certainly
wouldn't
wouldn't
debate
the
constitutional
fortitude
of
this
nation,
because
I
think
when,
when
george
washington
was
was
building
one
of
his
first
platforms,
you
drove
the
last
nail.
A
However,
I
do
think
both
of
these
bills
are
are
really
short
time
decisions
for
a
long
time
issue
and
and
we
we
failed
to
recognize
that
the
origin
of
the
the
covet
virus
was
a
coronavirus
which
has
been
studied
since
the
80s,
and
we
we
have
seen
adaptations
in
in
certain
places
and
the
reason
that
the
the
chinese
were
studying
it
for
us,
because,
after
the
ebola
situations
that
we
had
in
washington
and
the
places
they
were
doing,
those
studies,
they
got
into
so
much
trouble
that
they
wanted
to
farm
out
their
their
research.
A
So
we
didn't
want
anything
to
do
with
it,
and-
and
so
this
is,
this
is
not
a
new
situation.
It's
not
a
new
situation.
When
I
went
to
school,
you
couldn't
get
in
school.
If
you
didn't
have
a
tb
patch
test
and
when
I
got
married,
you
couldn't
get
married
if
you
didn't
have
a
venereal
test.
So
you
know
this.
A
This
is
not
something
that's
that
fell
out
of
the
sky
in
in
the
1900s
early
1900s,
the
average
lifespan
of
an
american
was
between
42
and
44
years,
and
now
it's
it's
in
excess
of
80
85
and
the
all
statistics
that
that
so
many
of
us
love
to
to
account.
For
those
the
statistics
say
that
75
of
that
is
is
public
health,
not
medical
development,
that
is
public
health
that
made
those
changes.
A
A
A
H
C
All
right,
thank
you,
since
chairman
ramsey
is
running.
The
amendment
he's
passed
the
gavel
over
to
me.
We
have
amendment
3720.
C
Okay,
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
amendment
chairman
ramsey
you're
recognized
yeah.
A
And
and
this
I
need
to
ask
you
and
and
establish
the
intent
of
this
bill
in
relationship
to
our
hospitals.
The
intent
that
that
you
are
insinuating
is
that
that
that
you
intend
to
prevent
any
government
hospital
from
requiring
code
vaccination.
A
B
A
B
A
The
with
that
understanding
and
one
of
those
45
hospitals
is
in
my
district,
and
we
depend
heavily
on
that.
A
This
bill's
definition
of
government
entity
includes
government-owned
hospitals
which
would
restrict
those
facilities
across
the
state
from
requiring
covert
19
vaccinations
if
needed
at
some
point
much
like
is
frequently
the
case
with
flu
vaccine.
Now
I
gotta
say:
flu
vaccine
has
never
even
exceeded
50
percent
in
compliance
nationwide,
and
everybody
finds
that
shocking
to
so
you
think
everybody's
getting
it
but
they're.
Not
no.
A
No
hospitals
at
this
time
require
mandatory
covet
19
vaccination
for
the
employees,
but
in
order
to
protect
the
patients
and
ensure
a
safe
environment,
the
requirements
may
be
necessary
because
one
of
the
issues
with
the
beds
available
beds
is
that
you
have
to
take
care
of
people
that
are
sick
with
other
issues
and,
and
so
they
have
to
keep
some
of
the
beds.
Open.
A
If
the
hospital
employees
were
to
be
required
to
get
vaccinated,
the
hospital
vaccination
policies
would
comply
with
federal
law.
That
requires
exemptions
due
to
medical
and
religious
reasons.
In
such
an
event,
the
health
care
professional
may
be
required
to
make
alternative
designations
of
wearing
particular
personal
protective
equipment
or
having
additional
steps
to
ensure
the
patient's
safety.
A
We
we
have
a
representative
of
the
tennessee
hospital
association,
which
is
the
author
of
this
amendment,
and
they
are
are
on
our
list
from
yesterday.
If
you
want
to
have
testimony
and
have
questions
about
the
amendment
or
or
if
you
would
like
to
declare
it
a
friendly
amendment,
that's
that'd
be
great
too.
B
No
I'd
like
to
argue
against
the
amendment,
but
it's
completely
up
to
the
chairman
on
on
testimony.
C
C
Okay,
do
we
would
would
we
like
to
go
out
of
session
sure,
I'd
love
to
okay
without
objection
go
out
of
session
and
have
the
tennessee
hospital
association
testified.
C
Oh,
wherever
you
can
turn
on
one
of
those
mics
for
the
record.
Let
us
know
your
name
and
who
you're
with.
H
Sure,
thank
you,
joe
birchfield
tennessee
hospital
association.
I
would
just
echo
many
of
the
comments
that
chairman
ramsey
made
earlier
in
terms
of
the
importance
of
hospitals
retaining
their
ability
to
require
vaccine,
as
he
stated.
Currently,
there
are
no
hospitals
in
the
state
that
are
requiring
coveted
vaccine
of
their
employees,
but
many
hospitals
do
require
flu
vaccine
of
their
employees,
for
the
reasons
stated
related
to
patient
safety
as
the
coven-19
pandemic
persists,
and
we
still
learn
more.
H
We
we
know
much
more
today
than
we
did
12
months
ago,
even
six
months
ago
or
six
weeks
ago,
as
this
continues
to
evolve
and
the
risk
is
undetermined.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
all
hospitals
have
the
ability
to
appropriately
manage
their
their
employees
and
ensure
patient
safety
throughout
the
entire
facility,
and
we
believe
that
that
should
hold
for
a
government-owned
hospital
the
same
as
it
does
for
a
privately
owned
hospital
and,
as
has
been
stated,
the
current
the
current
bill
before
us
would
restrict
that
ability
for
government-owned
facilities.
H
The
amendment
that
is
before
you
would
make
it
make
it
such
that
those
facilities
would
be
exempted
from
from
the
bill
without
interfering
with
the,
with
the
other
intents,
that
the
sponsor
has
stated.
A
I'm
I'm
understanding
that
that
this
is
a
a
long-standing
preparation
in
hospital
administration.
This
this
is
not
something
that's
just
developed
since
coving
showed
up.
You
you've
had
these
these
guidelines,
and
this
is
this
is
something
that
you've
had
in
the
probably
the
administration
of
the
hospital
for
years.
A
You
see
it
as
a
risk
that
that,
right
now,
as
we've
seen
from
the
statistics
that
have
been
quoted,
the
death
rate
is
is
remarkably
low.
But
we
know
from
other
situations
have
been
in
the
last
hundred
years
that
that
can
change
almost
overnight,
especially
with
the
the
transportation
availability
to
citizens
around
the
world.
And
so,
if
you'd
like
to
make
a
comment
on
on
how
dangerous
you
feel
like
not
having
that,
that
option
would
be.
H
Sure,
and,
and
if
I
could
borrow
from
some
of
the
comments
that
dr
kamar
made
earlier
previously
about
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
have
seen,
the
mortality
rate
be
what
it
is
with.
This
is
because
we
have
taken
so
many
different
actions
from
social
distancing
to
to
the
face
covering
I'm
wearing
right
now
that
has
helped
contain
the
spread
of
the
disease.
H
Vaccine
is
the
ultimate
way
to
contain
the
spread
of
that
disease,
and
that
is
critically
important
for
healthcare
workers,
not
only
for
their
own
personal
safety
and
the
safety
of
their
family
and
their
community
and
their
ability
to
continue
to
come
to
work
and
care
for
patients
who
are
either
coveted,
positive
or
other
patients
in
the
facility,
but,
most
importantly,
to
protect
the
safety
of
vulnerable
people
in
our
facilities.
C
Any
other
further
questions,
while
we
are
out
okay,
I
do
have
some
questions
for
you
before
we
go
back
into
session.
So
if
this
amendment
goes
on
currently
we're
in
a
pandemic
and
as
it
is
right
now,
you
could
mandate
a
vaccine
immunization,
correct
correct,
but
none
are
doing
that
correct.
Not
at
this.
H
C
H
C
C
H
It's
not
a
matter
of
forcing
it
is
we
we
can
require
an
employee
to
be
vaccinated.
Much
like
we
do
with
the
flu,
and
I
think
that's
the
most
relatable
example,
and
if
that
employee
has
a
medical
reason
or
a
religious
exemption,
federal
law
requires
us
to
allow
that
and
make
accommodations
for
that
employee.
So
they
can
continue
to
function
in
their
capacity.
H
Not
that
is
not
my
understanding,
but
I
don't
believe
that
the
status
of
a
pandemic-
I
don't
I'm
not
aware
of
that,
having
an
effect
one
way
or
another
on
the
requirements
that
we
place.
Our
concern
with
this
legislation
is
that
going
forward
because,
while
the
pandemic
may
be
over,
hopefully
in
the
near
future,
covet
a
as
disease
or
illness
does
not
appear
to
be
going
away,
which
is
why
vaccination
is
critical
and
as
we
continue
to
learn
more
about
that,
as
this
could
continue
to
evolve
and
change.
H
We
think
that
that
that
is,
that
rises
to
the
level
of
trying
to
fix
this
legislation
to
allow
a
government-owned
hospital
in
it
and,
as
has
been
stated,
there
are
40
some
odd
of
those
facilities
in
the
state
to
be
able
to
make
those
judgments,
as
they
see
fit
for
the
betterment
of
their
community
and
their
employees.
All
right.
Thank
you
all
right.
C
C
Okay,
we
are
back
in
session
chairman
halsey
you're
recognized.
Thank
you.
B
I
got
to
tell
you
about
the
amendment.
I
I
hope
you
don't
put
it
on
there
and
let
me
tell
you
why,
if
you
put
the
amendment
on
this
bill,
you
make
a
hypocrite
out
of
me.
You
force
me
to
talk
out
of
both
sides
of
my
mouth
out
of
one
side
of
my
mouth.
I
say:
government
can't
use
force
to
force
somebody
to
take
a
covert
19
vaccine,
but
out
of
the
other
side
of
my
mouth,
he
said
I
say
except
hospitals
and
they
can
force
you
to
take
cover
19
vaccine.
B
E
I
think
I
would
like
to
make
a
remark
that
it's
really
not
forcing
people
it's
requiring
people,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
difference
between
forcing
people
or
requiring
people
to
take
a
vaccination
so
that
they
are
not
a
hazard
to
the
other
hospital
employees
and
to
the
patients.
So
there
is
a
difference.
My
other
question
is
that
does
this
amendment
cover
the
nursing.
G
Chairman
kumar,
the
question
I
believe
is:
would
this
cover
nursing
homes
the
way
that
it
speaks
in
the
amendment
subsection
b
states
that
the
prohibition
that
is
in
subsection
a
and
subsection
a
is
essentially
chairman,
halsey's
original
bill
language?
The
addition
of
subsection
b
says
that
subsection
a
does
not
apply
to
a
health
care
facility.
C
E
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
I
know
that
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
to
it
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
forward.
I'm
against
the
amendment,
for
one
simple
reason
is
because
it
compromises
the
integrity
of
the
whole
bill.
This
bill
is
more
about
vaccines
and
is
about
freedom.
D
It
says
that
I
need
to
make
my
decisions
for
my
life
when
I
want
to
make
it
at
the
time
I
want
to
make
it
for
me
and
my
children
and
my
family,
it's
a
it's
a
shame
that
we
even
have
to
have
a
bill
that
discloses
that
to
to
back
up
the
handed
handy
hand,
heavy-handed
government
and
the
overreach
of
government
that
in
infringes
upon
our
lives,
it
should
be
a
personal
choice
and
if
there's
no
danger
in
government
forcing
vaccines.
F
Thank
you.
You
know,
I
I
keep
hearing
a
lot
about
freedom
and
and
in
regards
to
this
vaccine
and
and
that
the
government's
going
to
force
someone
to
get
a
vaccine
and
if
you
work
at
a
hospital
and
you're
forced
to
get
a
vaccine.
F
F
Does
that
does
that
person
have
the
freedom
to
go
practice
medicine
at
the
hospital
without
a
medical
degree,
the
hospital
has
a
right
to
set
parameters
in
which
they
won't
operate,
and
so
this
this
idea
of
of
this
forcing
you
know,
people
have
a
right.
If
you
don't
want
to
go
somewhere
because
you
can't
get
vaccinated,
that's
fine!
I
don't
shop
at
businesses,
because
I
disagree
with
something
that
they
do
and
I
shop
at
other
places
because
I
like
them.
F
This
is
it's.
It's
we've
set
up
almost
a
false
argument
here
about
this
freedom
to
me,
and
I
I
support
the
vaccine
because
I
think
at
a
bare
minimum,
we
need
to
be
able
to
protect
hospitals,
but
I'm
still
not
in
favor
of
this.
C
E
I
B
A
For
the
comments
or
questions,
we
have
any
objections
to
calling
for
the
question:
if
not,
we
will
be
voting
on
the
bill
as
amended.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye.
All
those
opposed
the
eyes
have.
A
And
and
the
I
had
a
question
from
the
sponsor
on
that,
once
a
once,
a
bill
goes
into
a
committee
and
has
a
is
moved
and
seconded
it's
the
property
of
the
committee,
so
the
committee
can
do
anything
they
want
to
with
it
if
they
want
to
add
an
amendment,
that's
hostile
or
whatever,
but
the
amendment
has
to
be
added
back
on
in
the
full
committee,
so
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification.
A
In
case
you
go
into
a
committee
and
somebody
wants
to
put
something
on
there.
You
don't
like
that's
the
way
it
works.
The
that's
the
way
parliament
parliamentary
procedure
goes.
So
any
other
questions
comments.
If
not
thank
you
all
for
being
here,
and
we
will
adjourn.