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House Health Subcommittee- February 24, 2021- House Hearing Room I
A
Okay,
okay,
let
me
see
what
time
it
is.
I
can't
see
that
clock
good
afternoon.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
are,
I
have
been
sent
an
urgent
receive
from
dr
no.
Some
of
you
know
who
that
is.
I've
been
instructed
to
confess
to
my
reckless
behavior
yesterday
and
I
got
a
script
of
correction.
I
have
to
submit
to
begging
for
forgiveness,
and-
and
I
want
to
correct
my
erroneous
statements
regarding
process
forms,
as
I
misspoke
yesterday
during
health
subcommittee.
A
Health
committee
process
forms
must
be
submitted
to
megan
tidrick
in
house
health,
full
committee,
not
the
research
analyst
harris
king
to
my
right.
The
forums
will
be
due
the
same
day
as
all
health
amendments
are
due
into
megan
in
chairman
terry's
office
by
email,
which
is
the
deadline,
is
monday
at
10
a.m.
Just
like
the
amendments
I
want
to
encourage
all
of
you
to
submit
the
process
form
early,
so
committee
members
can
be
better
informed
and
have
an
idea
of
the
intent
of
your
legislation.
A
I
want
you
to
tell
the
other
sponsors
of
bills,
your
friends,
the
lobbyists
that
that
we
need
to
get
these
in,
so
that
we'll
be
well
informed
and
can
can
take
measures
with
your
bill.
So,
according
and
by
instructed
the
doctor
no
I'll
be
in
the
hallway,
so
you
can
stick
splinters
in
my
hand
after
the
meeting
so
we'll
move
on.
We
have
two
bills
on
this
calendar.
One
is
house
bill,
10
by
chairman
reedy,
and
that
has
been
rolled
one
week.
A
B
B
B
B
B
We
did
all
that
and
people
don't
understand
why
and
it
scares
them,
and
I
think
they
have
every
right
to
be
afraid.
Then
they
ask
questions
about
government.
Does
government
have
a
constitutional
authority
to
limit
the
movement
and
quarantine,
sick
people
and
most
constitutionalists
say?
Yes,
they
do
some
say:
no,
they
don't.
But
then
the
question
comes:
does
government
have
the
constitutional
authority
to
limit
the
movement
and
attempt
to
quarantine?
B
Well
people
and
the
answer
is
absolutely
not
that's
tyranny
and
it
scares
people
and
have
every
right
to
be
afraid.
People
understand
that
there
are
four
circles
of
domain
and
autonomy
in
this
country.
There's
a
circle
of
domain
for
an
individual
in
his
self-autonomy
and
his
right
to
self-government.
B
B
B
B
I
have
five
medical
doctor
friends
that
I
correspond
with
just
about
every
week.
These
five
doctors
say
that
it's
a
misnomer
to
call
it
a
vaccine.
It
does
not
meet
the
definition
of
what
tennessee
says
a
vaccine.
Is
they
say
a
more
accurate
term
would
be
genetic
modification
or
genetic
therapy,
but
when
people
look
down
the
road
and
see
this
come
out
in
five
months
and
see
government
push
it
based
on
everything
they
have
seen
for
the
past
12
months,
it
scares
them
and
they
say
when
you
get
enough
supply
of
this
vaccine.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you,
and
let
me
say
first
that
that
I
don't
I
I
don't
think
fear
of
vaccines
is,
is
something
that
showed
up.
12
months
ago,
I've
been
in
public
office
for
30
years,
and
the
first
day
I
ever
took
office
in
1990.
There
was
a
fearful
vaccine
group
at
that
time.
So
this
this
is
not
a
new
phenomenon
and
I
would
open
this
up
for
questions.
Does
anybody
dr
terry
you're
recognized.
C
C
C
I
view
I
mean
we
had
an
emergency
use,
authorization
for
this
vaccine
and
it's
not
completely
fda
approved
and
that
may
take
years
for
them
to
get
that
away
from
the
emergency
use
authorization,
and
so
I
completely
understand
those
concerns.
I
agree
with
you
on
that
the
and,
as
as
I've
told
people
you
know
a
few
years
ago,
we
passed
a
law
called
the
right
to
try
act
and
that's
how
I
kind
of
view
this
the
the
vaccines
that
are
out
there
right
now.
You
have
the
right
to
try.
C
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
I
agree
with
chairman
terry
on
all
of
this
really.
My
question
is
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
say:
they're
scared.
They
don't
want
to
be
forced
to
take
a
vaccine,
but
I
haven't
heard
anybody
in
any
anywhere
around
that
saying
that
they're
going
to
force
anybody
to
take
a
vaccine.
So
I
think
this
has
just
gotten
a
big
scare
tactic
going
that
people
think
they're
going
to
be
mandated
to-
and
I
haven't
heard
anybody
say
with
any
any
truth
at
all
that
they're
going
to
mandate
a
vaccine.
B
B
This
is
not
an
issue
of
vaccine
with
me.
This
is
issue
of
force
and
government
force
and
by
the
way
this
doesn't
apply
to
private
business.
I
don't
think
state
tennessee's
constitution
allows
us
and
the
legislature
to
knows
in
the
private
business
and
dictate
their
hiring
and
firing
practices.
That's
this
doesn't
apply
to
private
business.
This
is
government.
A
And-
and
let
me
say,
we've
got:
we've
got
another
question.
Let
me
say
that
I've
been
told
that
the
federal
law
protects
any
group
of
employees
over
15.
It
extends
their
medical
and
religious
exemptions
to
to
employees
of
a
business.
That's
over
15.,
so
you're
exactly
right
on
that
that
that
stays
in
place.
So
this
is
this
does
have
a
different
application.
A
A
E
E
E
E
The
concern
I
have
is
that
I
think
one
concern
is
about
medical
facilities
requiring
their
employees
to
get
vaccinated,
to
protect
them,
as
well
as
preventing
those
employees
from
bringing
covid
or
other
diseases
into
their
medical
facility.
Do
you
think
that's
justifiable
for
medical,
for
my
hospital
would
at
times
require
me
to
go,
get
a
chest
x-ray
or
get
checked
for
a
condition
to
which
they
felt
at
the
hospital
we
might
have
been
exposed,
and
I
think
that
is
the
way
to
protect
people.
E
B
Again
with
private
hospitals,
I
I
have
no
control
over
that
they
they
can
design
any
policy
that
they
want
to.
This
deals
with
government
now
I
did
not
know
until
the
hospital
association
brought
it
to
my
attention
that
there
are
several
hospitals
in
tennessee
that
are
government
run
that
are
owned
by
cities
like
erlanger.
B
B
E
I
think
the
you're
saying
that
you're
protecting
people
in
government-owned
facilities-
and
I
would
submit
to
you
that,
of
course,
the
lives
of
those
people
who
are
not
in
the
government-owned
facilities.
They
are
equally
very
valuable,
but
I
think,
by
doing
this,
we
are
setting
a
tone
and
a
precedent.
E
B
B
Not
that
I
know
of
except
for
children
and
there's
there's
an
exception
to
get
out
of
that
we
haven't
had
but
again,
the
whole
focus
with
this
bill
and
government
is
force
if
we've
not
had
it
before,
but
we
have
never
in
the
history
of
the
united
states
shut
down
a
school,
a
business,
a
church
limit,
the
movement
of
people
over
virus.
Ever
that
has
never
happened.
E
E
It
is
the
as
a
public
health
science
has
progressed.
We
were
better
informed
to
be
able
to
take
those
measures
at
this
time
and
that's
why
the
death
toll
is
lower
than
the
other
conditions
there
has
been.
But
let
me
if
you
want
to
respond,
but
let
me
move
on
to
the
other
concern
is
what
about
schools.
School
are
schools
run
by
state
government,
public
schools.
B
E
So
what
will
happen
in
public
schools?
Children
can
come
to
that
school
without
being
vaccinated
and
potentially
bring
an
illness
into
the
school,
exposing
our
children
and
the
teachers.
I
mean
that
is
a
very,
very
major
thing.
It
is
our
duty
to
protect
those
children
if
we
want
them
in
school,
which
all
of
us
do
want.
B
Okay
from
what
I
can
read,
the
chances
of
a
child
dying
from
this
virus
is
point:
zero,
zero,
zero
three
and
I
think
there
is.
There
is
no
proof
that
asymptomatic
people
can
shed
this
disease
there's
an
assumption
that
it
happens,
but
there's
no
proof
that
it
happens.
Sick
people
certainly
can
so
it
turns
out
that
this
particular
virus
has
the
highest
infection
rate,
but
the
lowest
death
rate
of
any
virus
we've
had
so
again.
E
I
would
like
to
humbly
correct
the
fact
that
yes,
asymptomatic
spread
is
very
common.
In
fact,
in
certain
studies,
sixty
percent
of
the
spread
happened
from
asymptomatic
carriers
and
shatters
of
virus.
I
I
would
like
I
would
stand
behind
that
statement
so
coming
back
to
it
really
a
death
rate
of
0.003
percent
for
our
children.
If
it
can
be
avoided,
every
child
is
precious.
We
really
can
should
not
take
that
chance,
and
I
think
that
is
a
very
major
flaw
in
this
legislation
that
would
allow
our
schools
and
our
children
to
be
at
risk.
E
E
B
B
E
E
We
were
able
to
contain
the
death
toll
because
of
advanced
medical
advances
and
scientific
care,
and
still
that
death
toll
is
a
half
a
million
people,
but
once
again
coming
back
to
it,
I
think
it
will
be
sincerely
dangerous
for
us
to
allow
our
children
to
be
exposed,
because
some
children
can
come
to
school
without
vaccination
and
brain
illness.
We
apply
that
standard
to
other
vaccinations
in
the
school
system
at
this
time,
and
I
think
kovit
should
not
be
an
exception
to
it,
and
thank
you
for
your
patience
with
me.
I
feel
as
a
physician.
E
I
feel
it
is
my
duty
not
to
allow
an
attitude
that
is
anti-medical,
establishment
or
anti-vaccine
to
even
settle,
if,
even
if
it
is
subtle
to
to
enter
our
society.
I
think
we
need
to
be
grateful
to
medical
science.
The
brave
workers
who
have
taken
care
of
these
patients,
the
health
care
workers
and
put
their
lives
at
risk,
the
70
000
people
who
volunteered
to
take
vaccination,
not
knowing
the
results
of
it
and
not
knowing
if
they
were
going
to
get
a
vaccination
or
they
were
going
to
get
placebo.
E
A
B
C
Thank
you
appreciate
that,
after
the
other
folks
have
spoken,
I
did
and
something
that
was
brought
that
you
brought
up
in
your
opening
remarks.
I
do
want
to
say
that
you
know
university
of
tennessee
did
make
mention
of
making
covid
vaccine
mandatory,
and
I
have
received
emails
on
that
and,
of
course
that
would
come
through
us,
so
that
is
that
is
out
there.
C
That's
great.
The
question
is
the
the
liberties
of
the
other
workers
or
the
the
the
other
students,
and
that's
that's
the
issue
at
hand,
how
we
want
to
protect
all
liberties
and
make
sure
that
we
have
everybody
protected
to
the
to
the
best
of
their
abilities
that
we
can
what's
different
in
this
bill
and
and
the
issue
that
we
that
I
have
with
the
current
code,
the
cover
vaccine,
it's
under
emergency
use
authorization,
it's
not
fully
fda,
approved
and
so
to
your
point
on
your
bill.
C
If
this
does
not
pass
it
could
still,
people
could
still
mandate
a
nun.
A
non
non-completely
authorized
fda,
approved
vaccine
which
to
me
you're
infringing
on
those
individual
liberties,
even
those
that
are
in
a
facility
that
may
be
excluded.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
out.
Like
schools,
you
know
you're
talking
about
children.
C
Your
bill
does
not
prevent
someone
from
being
screened,
correct,
yeah.
So
if
they're
not
mandated
to
have
the
vaccine,
it's
not
even
approved
for
kids
right,
so
not
even
emergency
authorizers
haven't
been
tested,
but
if
they,
if
someone
ends
up
mandating
that
you
know,
and
you
want
to
opt
out,
you
know
you
should
be
able
to
opt
out
but
you're,
not
preventing
them
from
screening
which
then
protects
the
individual
liberties
of
the
other
kids
correct.
C
F
B
You,
mr
chairman,
and
you're
you're,
exactly
correct
this.
Does
the
intent
of
this
bill
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
reward
system
for
folks
that
are
encouraging
it
or
how
hospital
does
all
that
this?
This
is
forced
by
government.
It
wouldn't
affect
that
at
all.
It's
not
the
intent
of
the
bill.
A
So
we
didn't
want
anything
to
do
with
it,
and-
and
so
this
is,
this
is
not
a
new
situation.
It's
not
a
new
situation.
When
I
went
to
school,
you
couldn't
get
in
school.
If
you
didn't
have
a
tb
patch
test
and
when
I
got
married,
you
couldn't
get
married
if
you
didn't
have
a
venereal
test.
So
you
know
this.
A
A
A
C
A
A
B
A
B
A
The
with
that
understanding
and
and
one
of
those
45
hospitals
is
in
my
district,
and
we
depend
heavily
on
that.
Let
me
say
that
hospitals
typically
are
within
the
fourth
or
fifth
highest
employers
in
in
every
community,
so
they're
very
essential
to
recruitment,
they're
essential
to
the
economic
engines
of
the
community
and
and
certainly
they're
essential
to
the
public
health.
A
This
bill's
definition
of
government
entity
includes
government-owned
hospitals
which
would
restrict
those
facilities
across
the
state
from
requiring
code
19
vaccinations
if
needed
at
some
point
much
like
is
frequently
the
case
with
flu
vaccine.
Now
I
gotta
say:
flu
vaccine
has
never
even
exceeded
50
in
compliance
nationwide,
and
everybody
finds
that
shocking
to
so
you
think
everybody's
getting
it
but
they're,
not
no.
A
No
hospitals
at
this
time
require
mandatory
covered
19
vaccination
for
the
employees,
but
in
order
to
protect
the
patients
and
ensure
a
safe
environment,
the
requirements
may
be
necessary
because
one
of
the
issues
with
the
beds
available
beds
is
that
you
have
to
take
care
of
people
that
are
sick
with
other
issues
and,
and
so
they
have
to
keep
some
of
the
beds.
Open.
A
Natural
potential
to
unintentionally
transmit
the
virus
to
patients
during
the
delivery
of
care,
as
well
as
their
families
and
communities
is,
is
a
big
issue.
If
the
hospital
employees
were
to
be
required
to
get
vaccinated,
the
hospital
vaccination
policies
would
comply
with
federal
law.
That
requires
exemptions
due
to
medical
and
religious
reasons.
In
such
an
event,
the
healthcare
professional
may
be
required
to
to
make
alternative
designations
of
wearing
particular
personal
protective
equipment
or
having
additional
steps
to
ensure
the
patient's
safety.
A
We
we
have
a
representative
of
the
tennessee
hospital
association,
which
is
the
author
of
this
amendment,
and
they
are
are
on
our
list
from
yesterday.
If
you
want
to
have
testimony
and
have
questions
about
the
amendment
or
or
if
you
would
like
to
declare
it
a
friendly
amendment,
that's
that'd
be
great
too.
B
C
C
C
G
Sure,
thank
you,
joe
birchfield
tennessee
hospital
association.
I
would
just
echo
many
of
the
comments
that
chairman
ramsey
made
earlier
in
terms
of
the
importance
of
hospitals
retaining
their
ability
to
require
vaccine,
as
he
stated.
Currently,
there
are
no
hospitals
in
the
state
that
are
requiring
coveted
vaccine
of
their
employees,
but
many
hospitals
do
require
flu
vaccine
of
their
employees,
for
the
reasons
stated
related
to
patient
safety
as
the
covet
19
pandemic
persists,
and
we
still
learn
more.
G
We
we
know
much
more
today
than
we
did
12
months
ago,
even
six
months
ago
or
six
weeks
ago,
as
this
continues
to
evolve
and
the
risk
is
undetermined.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
all
hospitals
have
the
ability
to
appropriately
manage
their
their
employees
and
ensure
patient
safety
throughout
the
entire
facility,
and
we
believe
that
that
should
hold
for
a
government-owned
hospital
the
same
as
it
does
for
a
privately
owned
hospital
and,
as
has
been
stated,
the
current
the
current
bill
before
us
would
restrict
that
ability
for
government-owned
facilities.
G
A
I'm
I'm
understanding
that
that
this
is
a
a
long-standing
preparation
in
hospital
administration.
This
this
is
not
something
that's
just
developed
since
colvin
showed
up.
You
you've
had
these
these
guidelines,
and
this
is
this
is
something
that
you've
had
in
the
probably
the
administration
of
the
hospital
for
years
that
that
is.
G
D
G
That
has
helped
contain
the
spread
of
the
disease.
Vaccine
is
the
ultimate
way
to
contain
the
spread
of
that
disease,
and
that
is
critically
important
for
healthcare
workers,
not
only
for
their
own
personal
safety
and
the
safety
of
their
family
and
their
community
and
their
ability
to
continue
to
come
to
work
and
care
for
patients
who
are
either
coveted,
positive
or
other
patients
in
the
facility,
but,
most
importantly,
to
protect
the
safety
of
vulnerable
people
in
our
facilities.
C
Any
other
further
questions,
while
we
are
out
okay,
I
do
have
some
questions
for
you
before
we
go
back
into
session.
So
if
this
amendment
goes
on
currently
we're
in
a
pandemic
and
as
it
is
right
now,
you
could
mandate
a
vaccine
immunization,
correct
correct,
but
none
are
doing
that
correct,
not
at
this
time.
That
is
correct,
so
you
could
mandate
an
emergency
use
only,
but
a
non-complete
fda
approved
vaccine
right
now.
If
this
amendment
goes
on.
C
G
It's
not
a
matter
of
forcing
it
is
we
we
can
require
an
employee
to
be
vaccinated.
Much
like
we
do
with
the
flu,
and
I
think
that's
the
most
relatable
example,
and
if
that
employee
has
a
medical
reason
or
a
release,
religious
exemption
federal
law
requires
us
to
allow
that
and
make
accommodations
for
that
employee.
So
they
can
continue
to
function
in
their
capacity.
G
Not
that
is
not
my
understanding,
but
I
don't
believe
that
the
status
of
a
pandemic-
I
don't
I'm
not
aware
of
that,
having
an
effect
one
way
or
another
on
the
requirements
that
we
place.
Our
concern
with
this
legislation
is
that
going
forward
because,
while
the
pandemic
may
be
over,
hopefully
in
the
near
future,
covet
19
as
a
as
a
disease
or
illness
does
not
appear
to
be
going
away,
which
is
why
vaccination
is
critical
and
as
we
continue
to
learn
more
about
that,
as
this
could
continue
to
evolve
and
change.
G
We
think
that
that
is,
that
rises
to
the
level
of
trying
to
fix
this
legislation
to
allow
a
government-owned
hospital
in
it
and,
as
has
been
stated,
there
are
40
some
odd
of
those
facilities
in
the
state
to
be
able
to
make
those
judgments,
as
they
see
fit
for
the
betterment
of
their
community
and
their
employees.
All
right.
Thank
you
all
right.
B
I
got
to
tell
you
about
the
amendment.
I
I
I
hope
you
don't
put
it
on
there
and
let
me
tell
you
why,
if
you
put
the
amendment
on
this
bill,
you
make
a
hypocrite
out
of
me.
You
force
me
to
talk
out
of
both
sides
of
my
mouth
out
of
one
side
of
my
mouth.
I
say:
government
can't
use
force
to
force
somebody
to
take
a
covered
19
vaccine,
but
out
of
the
other
side
of
my
mouth,
he
said
I
say
except
hospitals
and
they
can
force
you
to
take
cover
19
vaccine.
B
E
I
think
I
would
like
to
make
a
remark
that
it's
really
not
forcing
people
it's
requiring
people,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
difference
between
forcing
people
or
requiring
people
to
take
a
vaccination
so
that
they
are
not
a
hazard
to
the
other
hospital
employees
and
to
the
patients.
So
there
is
a
difference.
My
other
question
is
that
does
this
amendment
cover
the
nursing
homes.
H
Chairman
kumar,
the
question
I
believe
is:
would
this
cover
nursing
homes
the
way
that
it
speaks
in
the
amendment
subsection
b
states
that
the
prohibition
that
is
in
subsection
a
and
subsection
a
is
essentially
chairman,
halsey's
original
bill
language?
The
addition
of
subsection
b
says
that
subsection
a
does
not
apply
to
a
care
facility.
C
E
E
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill,
and
I
know
that
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
to
it
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
forward.
I'm
against
the
amendment
for
one
simple
reason:
compromises
the
integrity
of
the
whole
bill.
This
bill
is
more
about
vaccines
and
it's
about
freedom.
It
says
that
hey.
I
need
to
make
my
decisions
for
my
life
when
I
want
to
make
it
at
the
time
I
want
to
make
it
for
me
and
my
children
and
my
family.
D
F
F
F
Does
that
does
that
person
have
the
freedom
to
go
practice
medicine
at
the
hospital
without
a
medical
degree,
the
hospital
has
a
right
to
set
parameters
in
which
they
won't
operate,
and
so
this
this
idea
of
of
this
forcing
you
know,
people
have
a
right.
If
you
don't
want
to
go
somewhere
because
you
can't
get
vaccinated,
that's
fine!
I
I
don't
shop
at
businesses,
because
I
disagree
with
something
that
they
do
and
I
shop
at
other
places
because
I
like
them.
F
C
A
E
I
I
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
very
deliberate
in
writing
this
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
fallen
into
is
accepting
the
premise
that
we
have
to
abdicate
our
religious
liberty,
our
freedom
to
have
public
health,
to
have
commerce
to
have
prosperity,
and
then
here
in
tennessee,
liberate
deliberate,
kindly
and
respectfully,
and
put
the
priority
of
tennesseans
to
have
liberty
to
have
public
health
and
to
have
our
prosperity
all
together.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
and
I
will
be
voting
for
the
bill.
Thank
you,
speaker.
Thank
you.