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House Health Subcommittee - March 1, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
A
C
Thank
you
chairman
for
everybody.
That's
here
I
don't
sit
on
this
committee,
so
the
chairman
is
indulging
me
as
a
presenting
sponsor
to
recognize
some
good
friends
of
mine
that
are
from
chattanooga
that
are
here
in
the
audience
with
us
today.
It's
walt
and
jill
model.
So
if
you
will
make
them
welcome,
if
you
will
stand
up
and
let's
make
them
welcome,
thank
you.
A
Okay
and
thank
you
very
much,
no
personal
orders.
We
will
move
forward
with
our
calendar
today
there.
Of
course,
there
are
two
purposes
for
this
committee
one's
to
allow
public
input
and
debate
on
legislation,
and
the
other
purpose
is
to
publicly
advance
approved
legislation
to
our
full
committee
for
further
input
and
further
debate,
and
so
we're
going
to.
A
We
had
a
lot
of
requests
to
juggle
the
calendar
today,
but
we
do
have
some
of
the
quicker
easier
issues
that
we're
probably
going
to
pepper
into
the
to
the
calendar
so
that
the
full
committee
will
have
a
calendar
for
next
week,
but
we
tried
to
accommodate,
had
many
many
requests
on
the
speakers
and
testimony
we're
trying
to
accommodate
all
we
can
we'll
move
forward
with
the
best
pace
that
we're
capable
of
doing
so.
We'll
start
with
item
one:
it's
house
bill,
2667.
A
A
D
E
A
D
D
Thank
you,
mr
speaker
and
members
of
the
committee.
As
we
know,
we
we
saw
it
exposed
during
the
covet
crisis
that
our
health
care
staffing
is
under
a
crisis
itself.
There's
people
leaving
the
the
profession
there
is,
even
as
we
see
hospitalizations
due
to
covet
declining
now,
thank
goodness
we're
seeing
a
health
care
workforce
shortage.
That's
still
going
on.
D
D
Much
like
we
did
with
the
nurses
during
their
with
regard
to
in
between
their
licensing.
Now
then,
what
this?
What
this
does
is
the
commissioner
can
also
place
geographic
and
time
constraints
on
all
of
this,
and
so
what
we're
doing
is
we're
saying
hey.
We
saw
that
we
had
this
issue
during
covid
and
these
tactics
worked
during
covid,
yet
because
we,
the
governor,
may
or
may
not
declare
a
state
of
emergency
that
goes
across
the
board.
A
A
And
excuse
me,
let
me
interrupt
here.
I'm
told
that
that
your
amendment
actually
affects
what
questions
have
just
been
answered
or
asked.
Let's
go
ahead
and
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill,
the
we
have
a
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment.
What's
the
number
on
it
one
four
two
one
four
is
that
correct:
that
is
correct.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor.
The
amendment
is,
as
will
be
explained,
say
aye
any
opposition
we're
back
on
the
bill
as
amended,
sir.
You
I
think,
chair
lady
smith,
you
had
a
question.
F
I
do
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
just
want
to
speak
into
the
legislative
record
that,
while,
while
this
will
permit
the
commissioner
of
health
to
declare
a
health
staffing
crisis,
it
will
not
permit
that
to
be
a
national
medical
emergency
and
we
will
not
revert
back
to
any
of
the
practices
or
policies
that
would
allow
schools
to
go
into
virtual
session.
This
would
not
allow
businesses
close.
F
D
That
is,
that
is
correct,
representative
smith,
this
this
was
brought
to
us
by
tennessee
tennessee
hospital
association,
who
is
the
ones
experiencing
the
health,
the
staffing
crisis
today,
and
what
they're,
seeing
as
we
revert
off
of
some
of
these
emergency
activities
that
their
voids
created
and
they're
trying
to
fill
those
voids
with
practices
that
worked
during
that
time.
There
were
a
lot
of.
D
We
could
all
debate
some
of
the
activities
that
went
on
during
this
period
of
time,
but
I
think
that
we,
we
also
found
some
good
things
sewn
into
the
sewn
in
amongst
it
too,
so
we're
trying
to
mine
the
good
things
and
and
put
them
into
employee,
but
only
180
days
at
a
time
with
proper
notification.
But
this
is
not
something
that
the
commissioner
of
health
is
gonna,
run
out
and
and
declare
it
to
be
permanent.
A
A
D
A
G
A
G
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
in
committee.
This
bill
is
to
clarify
this
is
a
clarifying
bill
brought
by
the
tennessee
association
of
behavior
analysis.
It's
to
seek.
It
seeks
to
clean
up
language
to
clarify
the
types
of
assessments
that
behavior
analysis
analysts
can
perform.
This
is
a
compromised
language
agreed
upon
by
the
tennessee
psychological
association
and
the
behavioral
analysts
association.
G
The
types
of
assessment
that
this
bill
will
allow
are
for
behavioral
scales,
used
by
behavioral
analysis
for
the
purpose
of
guiding
treatment,
mainly
for
kids
with
all
autism.
They
are
essentially
checklist
that
a
behavioral
analyst
can
you
would
use
to
monitor
a
child's
progress
through
treatment.
They
do
not
ever
do
perform
a
diagnosis
of
the
child.
With
that,
mr
chairman
committee,
I
renew
my
motion.
Do.
F
Thank
you,
chairman
ramsey,
and,
and
thank
you
you
know
I
support
this
bill.
I
just
want
you
to
speak
into
the
record
that
this
also
when
you
say
it's
not
used
for
diagnosis
that
it
really
it
doesn't.
It's
not
used
to
change
medication,
because
these
particular
individuals
don't
prescribe.
Is
that
correct?
Mr
chairman,.
G
A
A
C
Thank
you
chairman
in
committee.
You
know,
I
can't
let
the
opportunity
to
pass
me
by
with
this
many
doctors
and
nurses
and
medical
staff
in
here
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
them
for
the
frontline
response
that
they've
given
covet
19,
and
I
think
we
all
owe
them
a
debt
of
gratitude
and
applause.
A
C
A
A
J
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
These
are
technical
corrections
to
the
house
bill
9077,
the
re
that
we
passed
last
year.
The
terms
in
quotes
condition
of
participation
that
imposes
this
term
actually
in
cms
regulations
applies
only
to
hospitals
and
we
had
put
it
in
physician
part
also.
So
this
is
an
attempt
to
delete
that
in
in
the
physician
part
of
that
bill
to
bring
it
in
line
and
avoid
further
confusion
with
the
cms
okay.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
this
is
when
we
were
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
I
think
in
a
conference
committee,
and
we
were
trying
to
accommodate
certain
professions
relative
to
covid.
This
is
just
the
the
protection
relative
to
physician
practices.
Private
practices
am
I
understanding
that
correctly
chairman.
J
A
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
a
recruitment
bill
in
the
sense
that
it
allows
international
medical
graduates
to
apply
for
licensure
in
the
state
if
they
have
completed
either
three
years
of
residency
training
in
a
recognized
program,
or
they
have
completed
three
years
of
fellowship
so
that
there
is
no
distinction
from
them
it
both
of
those
conditions,
are
postgraduate
training.
A
Do
we
have
any
comments
or
questions
on
the
bill
if,
if
there
are
any,
we
do
have
a
a
representative
from
vanderbilt
that's
willing
to
testify?
But
if
there's
no
questions,
we
will
call
for
a
vote
to
send
this
bill
to
full
committee.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
any
opposition
so
approved.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You,
sir,
are
recognized
on
item
20
house
bill
2857
have
a
proper
motion.
Second,
on
the
bill.
J
A
Okay,
we'll
verify
the
code
on
that
we'll
have
a
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment.
Any
explanation
of
the
amendments
unnecessary
is
that
well,
thank
you.
I
just
described
it
okay,
sir
any
comments
or
questions
on
the
amendment.
If
not
we'll
be
voting
to
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill.
Oh
chair,
lady
smith,.
F
Am
I
when
I
look
at
the
fiscal
note
chairman,
it
says
that
it
removes
the
requirement
that
central
service
technicians
hold
and
maintain
credentials
is.
Are
we
lowering
the
standards
of
these
particular
individuals,
or
am
I
I'm
just
reading
the
the
fiscal
note
summary
of
the
bill
removes
the
requirement
that
central
service
technicians
hold
and
maintain
credentials
and-
and
as
I
understood
the
the
commentary
before
coming
to
committee,
that
this
was
taking
a
named
entity
out
of
code
but
protecting
the
licensure,
and
maybe
I
just
misunderstood
the
promotion
of
the
bill.
Dr.
A
A
F
And
again,
I'm
not
asking
because
I
want
to
support
your
bill.
I
think
we
need
to
clean
up.
It
is
a
technical
correction,
but
the
the
way
that
I
want
to
make
sure
legal
recognizes
the
purpose
of
your
bill,
and
so,
if
I
think,
you've
expressed
it
chairman
very
articulately,
but
unfortunately
the
summary
the
legal
summary
doesn't
match.
So
maybe
we
need
to
to
make
sure
that
legal
seizure
amendment
to
be
simply
a
cleanup
rather
than
removing
those
credentials.
K
This
removes
just
the
names
so
that
a
central
service
technician
requires
must
maintain
a
certified
registered
central
service,
technician,
credential
or
a
certified,
sterile
processing
and
distribution.
Technician
credential
the
credential
itself
is
needed,
but
doesn't
need
to
be
from
particular
organizations.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
want
just
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
dr
kumar,
our
chairman,
the
intent
of
his
bill,
is
protected.
We
are
not
lowering
the
standards
in
this
state
for
these
credentialed
professionals,
we
are
taking
the
licensing
the
named
franchise
or
the
name
title
out
of
our
code.
Is
that
the
is
that
the
opinion
of
leaving.
J
A
A
For
the
questions,
if
not,
we
will
go
back
into
session.
Thank
you
and
appreciate
the
explanation
back
in
session.
We
have
the
bill
we're
talking
about
the
amendment
at
the
moment.
We
have
not
put
the
amendment
on
further
comments
or
questions
on
the
amendment.
If
none
will
be
voting
to
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye.
A
A
A
We
have
a
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
bill,
and
there
is
an
amendment
then
they
might
have
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment
and
it
the
amendment
makes
the
bill.
Let's
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
any
opposition
we're
on
the
bill,
as
amended
you're
recognized
thank.
C
C
This
legislation
is
intended
to
clarify
that
continuing
education
courses
taken
by
dental
hygienists
that
are
conducted
via
live
interactive
webinars,
are
to
be
considered
an
in-person
event.
Dental
hygienists
are
only
allowed
to
receive
one
half
of
their
required
30
hours
of
ce
via
online
or
web-based
courses.
This
legislation
is
intended
to
allow
interactive
web-based
courses
to
count
as
an
in-person
event.
A
B
Yes,
sir,
my
name
is
carmen
pinkston,
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
tennessee
of
the
council
on
rigs
and
practice
of
the
tennessee
dental
hygienist
association,
to
lighten
the
spirit
in
here.
My
dad
would
always
say
tell
a
joke,
but
I
think
I'll
refrain
from
traumatizing.
You
guys
too
much
with
trying
to
lighten
the
spirit
in
here,
but
the
tennessee
dental
hygienist
association
had
submitted
house
bill
1903
and
senate
bill
1827..
B
B
Any
expansion
of
our
scope
of
practice
is
meant
to
benefit
the
public
and
we
pride
ourselves
in
our
education
and
our
training
and
conduct
ourselves
in
such
a
manner
as
to
do
no
harm
to
the
public.
We
would
also
like
to
take
this
time
to
applaud
governor
lee
and
his
expansion
of
the
tenncare
benefits.
B
The
tennessee
dental
hygienists
look
forward
to
being
an
integral
part
of
delivering
much-needed
preventive
care
to
this
population,
and
we
also
intend
to
submit
a
comprehensive
dental
bill
next
year
that
is
palatable
to
the
entire
dental
community.
Thank
you,
chairman
and
committee
for
giving
me
this
time
to
speak.
A
And
thank
you,
ms
pinkston.
We
certainly
are
always
open
for
issues
that
are
going
to
help
folks
in
in
underserved
areas,
and
I
think
that's
what
maybe
the
focus
of
this
was
do
we
have
comments
or
questions
for
the
witness
if
none
I
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
know
it's
not
easy
to
come
and
and
present
yourself,
but
we
appreciate
the
information
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
future.
A
A
L
Chairman
and
thank
you
for
com
committee
for
your
time
here,
this
is
a
pretty
brief
and
simple
bill.
It
prohibits
any
private
business,
governmental
entity,
local
education
agency
or
school
from
adopting
or
enforcing
a
rule,
a
policy
or
procedure
or
practice
which
treats
individuals
with
natural
immunity
from
covet
19
differently
than
those
who
have
received
the
vaccination
for
covert
19.
L
A
I
Thank
you
matt,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
I'm
dr
ryan
cole,
I'm
here
representing
science
and
humanity.
I
have
no
con
conflicts
of
interest.
I
have
a
background
training
phd
work
in
immunology,
I'm
an
md
mayo
clinic
trained
I've,
seen
500
000
patients
in
my
career,
anatomic
clinical
pathologist.
With
a
background
in
virology
and
immunology
number,
one
natural
immunity
from
any
disease
has
been
recognized
for
eons.
From
the
time
we
had
the
black
plague
and
people
that
had
recovered
from
the
plague
cleared
the
bodies
because
they
had
immunity
from
the
plague.
I
To
now
we
have
never
ignored
natural
immunity
from
recovering
from
a
disease
until
this
last
two
years
for
some
odd
scientific
and
unexplainable
reason
somebody's
had
chickenpox,
we
recognize
it.
If
you
go
into
a
hospital
and
you're
going
to
go
to
work,
they
check
you
for
your
immunity
against
measles,
rubella,
mumps,
etc.
To
make
sure
you're
immune.
We
have
never
in
the
history
of
science
or
humanity,
ignored
something
that
god
gave
us
for
a
lifetime
and
for
eons
we
have
studies.
I
Brownstoneinstitute.Org
has
150
studies
showing
that
natural
covert
covered
immunity
is
stronger
than
a
vaccinal
immunity.
Those
are
papers
by
dr
paul
alexander.
We
have
studies
out
of
israel
showing
a
natural
covert
recovery.
Immunity
is
13
times
stronger
than
a
vaccinal
immunity
studies
out
of
guitar,
showing
it's
about
30
times
stronger
than
a
vaccinal
immunity
in
the
cdc
they
put
out
one
study.
One
fake
study
that
was
not
peer-reviewed,
showing
that
vaccine
was
greater
than
covert
recovered,
was
not
peer-reviewed.
I
The
cdc
was
queried
by
attorney
aaron
siri,
asking
if
any
individual
who
had
recovered
recovered
was
shown
to
transmit
virus
to
anyone
else.
They
could
not
do
it.
In
addition,
a
vaccinated,
individual
studies
out
of
vietnam,
out
of
wisconsin
out
of
california,
show
that
somebody
who
has
the
vaccine
doesn't
make
a
special
antibody
in
their
eyes.
I
So
a
vaccine
does
not
prevent
these
leaky
vaccines,
don't
prevent
transmission
or
spread,
or
disease
or
death
in
studies
from
around
the
world.
We
know
in
studies
and
and
solid
data
out
of
other
countries,
as
we've
seen
last
week,
the
cdc
has
without
withheld
data
from
the
united
states
citizens
in
other
countries,
where
we
have
solid
data.
I
If
you've
had
covet,
you
are
recovered,
the
science
shows
it
and
we're
asking
people
to
get
a
test
to
maintain
employment,
even
though
they've
had
covert
when
we
know
that
the
vaccinated
can
carry
equal
volumes
of
virus
and
we're
saying
they
don't
need
to
be
tested.
We
are
segregating
our
society
unnecessarily
and
to
draw
to
a
conclusion
I
saw,
I
saw
the
wave
there.
So
countless
studies,
we
need
to
just
end
the
mandates.
There's
no
medical
emergency
anymore,
natural
covalent,
recovered
immunity
is
long,
durable,
long,
lasting
sarge,
kobe
won
18
years
later.
I
E
I'll
cover
some
of
the
same
materials
and
thank
you
chairman,
thank
you,
representatives
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
I'm
on
the
background.
In
lab.
For
about
11
years,
I've
invented
an
fda,
approved
drug
I've
done
a
lot
of
drug
repurposing.
I've
been
practicing
physician
for
32
years
and
I've
seen
about
300
000
patients.
E
So
I
think
in
general
my
points
that
ryan
raised
a
lot
of
them,
but
from
the
beginning,
from
march,
2020
natural
immunity
has
been
neglected
for
the
first
time
in
history,
as
he
just
talked
about,
natural
immunity
has
always
been
superior
to
vaccinated
immunity
through
all
time
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
that
pfizer,
moderna
and
j
j
all
went
out
of
their
way
to
eliminate
patients
with
natural
immunity
from
their
studies.
Why
did
they
do
that?
I
wonder
why?
E
Because
they've
these
patients
retain
an
antigenic
fragment
of
the
virus
in
their
system
for
a
long
time,
we're
finding
even
15
months
later,
they're
serious
risk
for
hyperimmune
response.
They
didn't
want
their
studies
to
be
messed
up,
so
they
went
out
of
their
way
to
eliminate
every
single
patient
in
every
single
study,
j
and
j.
Modern
a
pfizer
to
make
sure
that
none
of
these
patients
were
enrolled
in
a
study.
I
don't
think
any
of
you
realize
that
so
we
are
taking.
Let's
save
the
children.
E
Five
to
eleven
about
eighty
percent
have
had
the
virus
already.
If
we
mandate
the
vaccine
in
this
five
to
eleven
year
old
group,
you
have
28
million
kids
in
the
united
states.
That
would
be
basically
somewhere
close
to
20
million
of
these
kids
plus
would
actually
have
already
had
the
virus.
They're
high
risk
for
hyper
immune
response.
E
That
means
they're
going
to
die.
Some
of
them
are
going
to
die
if
you
mandate
a
vaccine,
that's
what
that
means.
So
it's
very
important
to
realize
that
if
we
go
down
this
direction
right
where
we
mandate
vaccines
and
people
who've
already
had
it,
we
are.
We
are
it's
not
a.
This
is
not
a
civil
liberties
thing.
This
is
a
medical
poor
decision.
This
is
a
major
poor
decision
medically
forget
about
the
civil
liberties.
E
If
you
allow
it
to
happen,
you're
allowing
children
to
die
okay,
so
I'm
gonna,
he
covered
a
lot
of
the
other
things
that
you
said:
there's
700
000
people
in
the
study
in
israel.
Just
so
you
know
that
showed
that
the
double
vacs
were
27
times
more
likely
to
get
reinfected.
So
it's
not
the
vaccine.
Even
if
we
just
talk
about
that
is
not
stopping
infection.
It's
not
stopping
transmission.
E
The
natural
immunity
is
long,
broad
and
durable,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
mentioned
it,
but
we
have
sars
cov1
patients
who
still
had
immunity
18
years
later,
let
that
sink.
In
18
years
later
we
still
had
immunity
from
tsar's
cov1
to
sarsko
v2.
This
is
long,
broad,
durable
immunity.
So
what
I
want
to
say
in
closing
is
natural.
Immunities
should
be
considered
legally
to
be
at
least
equal
to
vaccinated
immunity
and
immunity
is
likely
lifelong.
Thank
you.
F
First
of
all,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
there
have
been
because
we
cross
section
into
other
committees.
We
are
constantly
hearing
statements
made
by
colleagues
and
other
the
other
folks
who
offer
testimony,
and
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
for
you
all
to
clarify
that
and
and
let
the
public
understand
that
science
has
been
politicized
and
weaponized
against
our
we're
fighting
amongst
each
other,
rather
than
helping
each
other.
So
if,
if
mr
chairman
asks
a
couple
of
questions
of
these
gentlemen,
yes.
B
F
F
You,
dr
urso,
would
you
describe
how
a
patient
with
hyperimmune
response
would
present
themselves
so
that
the
the
committee
understands
in
full?
What
that
would
look
like,
because,
again,
I
think
some
of
the
the
patients
that
that
have
had
the
vaccine
in
in
in
my
anecdotal,
comparing
of
notes,
are
actually
presenting
themselves
to
have
a
hyper
immunic
response.
E
That's
correct,
so
what
you're
seeing
is
very
simple,
like
you
have
in
a
peanut
allergy,
you're
gonna.
These
people
are
the
ones.
If
you
look
at
the
charts
from
the
vares
database
in
the
first
two
days,
a
tremendous
number
of
patients
die.
These
are
the
hyper
immune
responses
that
are
happening
and
they're
happening
relatively
quickly
as
if
you
had
a
basically
for
the
most
part
like
a
peanut
allergy.
I
think
that's
the
best
way
for
most
people
who
don't
actually
do
medicine
to
understand
it.
E
So
these
hyper
immune
responses
are
because
they
already
have
in
their
system
many
many
antibodies
to
many
portions
of
the
virus.
So
when
you
give
them
the
vaccine,
they
are
prepped
and
ready
to
go
and
a
lot
of
them
are
younger
patients
who
would
never
have
died
from
the
virus
anyway,
and
so
what?
Once
these
patients
get
the
virus
in
their
body?
E
They
already
have
so
many
antibodies,
already
prepped
and
ready
to
go,
and
then
you
take-
and
you
put
a
vaccine
where
they're
going
to
put
in
basically
the
vaccinated
are
actually
producing
more
spike
than
people
who
are
actually
sick
from
the
disease.
These
studies
have
come
out
in
the
last
month,
where
they're,
showing
the
vaccinators
still
producing
spike
protein
even
two
months
later,
we're
producing
massive
amounts
and
they've
already
had
the
virus
they're
going
to
have
a
hyper
immune
response.
That's
the
key
key
factor
in
that.
F
F
E
Mechanistically
he's
basically
talked
about
it's
from
iga
secretory
iga
is
the
most
abundant
antibody
in
our
body,
and
it
does
not
get
stimulated
from
any
of
these
vaccines.
This
is
a
respiratory
virus.
Secretory
iga
is
in
the
respiratory
system
and
that's
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
vaccinated
people
actually
harboring
more
virus.
F
If
you
were,
if
you
were
exposed
to
a
pathogen
or
a
virus,
naturally
you
have
an
immune
response
and
what
the
vaccine
does.
Is
it
mimics
that
exposure
to
pre-expose
you
so
that
your
future
exposures
will
have
a
memory
and
that
you
will
have
the
ability
to
respond
appropriately
rather
than
preventing
you
from
having
any
symptom
preventing
you
from
transmitting
anything
or
preventing
you
from
having
any
illness
in
the
future?
You.
I
Are
correct
and
that's
why
these
have
failed
as
vaccines
once
a
delta
came
along,
they
were
essentially
zero
percent.
Effective
and
omicron
they've
actually
been
negatively
affected
effective
in
the
sense
that
if
you've
had
two
or
three
of
the
shots,
you
actually
have
a
higher
chance
of
acquiring
omicron.
So,
yes,
a
vaccine
is
supposed
to
mimic
a
natural
infection,
and
it's
supposed
to
give
you
immunity
to
a
disease
going
forward
once
you're
exposed
to
it.
You're,
absolutely
correct
and
more.
E
Importantly,
this
virus
has
29
proteins.
The
spike
protein
is
one
protein,
so
you're.
Basically,
when
you
get
a
natural
infection,
you're
going
to
get
antibodies
to
nuclear
capsid
and
other
proteins
besides
the
spike
protein,
it's
much
more
durable.
For
that
reason,
you
also
get
massive
t
cell
responses,
so
it
can't
con
it's
not
going
to
even
be
close
between
the
vaccine
and
the
virus.
Cheerleading
and.
F
I'll
conclude
with
a
statement,
thank
you,
gentlemen,
but
I
think
that
the
public
can
see
that
this
virus
has
been
politicized
and
that
we
have
abandoned
much
of
our
traditional
approach
to
medicine
and
public
health
has
failed
us
because
we've
allowed
politics
to
get
involved.
You
know-
and
I
just
thank
you
all,
but
I
also
challenge
you
to
let's
work
together
to
restore
hope
and
trust
in
public
health,
because
now
americans
don't
trust
health
care,
as
they
should
have
to
begin
with.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
Gentlemen,
you
have
an
incred
if
you
look
at
the
denmark
data.
If
you
look
at
the
uk
data
in
their
cohorts,
they
showed
an
increased
acquisition
in
those
groups
of
virus,
especially
omicron.
It
increased
your
chances
of
acquiring
omicron.
Now
omicron
is
a
acting
as
a
natural
vaccine
and
a
blessing
to
humanity,
because
it's
much
milder
it's
a
kitty
cat
compared
to
the
tigers
of
the
earlier
variants.
So
it's
a
blessing
to
humanity
so
as
as
the
emergency
is
fading
and
omicron
has
spread
through
like
a
wildfire,
we're
lucky
in
that
regard.
I
E
I'll
clarify
one
point
about
that.
Also.
What
we
were
specifically
referring
to
is
the
naturally
immune
are
much
less
likely,
27
to
30
times
less
likely
to
get
the
virus
than
the
people
who
are
triple
vaccinated,
so
the
naturally
immune
have
very
little
chance
of
getting
the
virus
again,
whereas
the
triple
vaccinated
are
27
30
times
higher
likelihood
of
having
the
virus.
That's
the
specific
thing
that
we
referenced,
so
so
what
about
the
one?
That's
naturally
immune.
I
This
is
a
great
question.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
If
you
get
the
shots
before
you
get
covered,
you
actually
narrow
your
immune
response.
So
when
you
get
the
shot
you're
making
a
strong
reaction
to
one
narrow
part
of
the
virus
that
spike
and
not
all
those
28
other
proteins,
we
found
in
week
42
data
out
of
the
united
kingdom.
If
you
got
the
shots
before
you
got
covered,
you
narrowed
your
body's
ability
to
amount
an
immune
response
to
this
little
protein.
That
covers
the
rna.
I
So
this
is
another
concerning
thing,
as
we've
gone
forward,
with
an
experimental
shot
on
humanity,
not
knowing
what
the
long-term
effects
could
be.
In
many
people,
we
narrowed
their
immune
response
and
their
ability.
It's
something
called
original.
Antigenic
sin
we've
made
the
body
commit
a
sin
to
recognize
a
part
of
the
virus
but
become
blind
to
other
parts
of
the
virus.
So
this
is
again
experimental
science.
You
know
that
we've
done
these
aren't
approved.
These
are
emergency
authorized.
An
approved
vaccine
is
not
available
in
the
united
states
of
america,
and
so
this
is
very
important.
I
I
I
It
doesn't
exist
so
once
you've
had
the
disease,
if
you
get
a
shot
after
having
the
disease,
your
risk
of
adverse
reactions
are
two
to
four
times
higher
studies
by
dr
rao,
dr
camera.
Dr
methudius
show
that
if
you
get
the
shot
after
having
had
the
disease,
these
adverse
outcomes,
the
myocarditis,
the
neural
inflammation,
the
awakening
of
other
diseases,
the
autoimmune
diseases,
rheumatoid,
arthritis,
etc.
You
are
at
a
much
higher
risk
of
acquiring
those
adverse
reactions.
A
E
So
the
other,
the
other
concerning
factors
are
it's.
The
shot
is
blocking
p53,
which
is
the
guardian
of
the
genome,
which
means
every
time
dna
damage
occurs.
Dna
damage
repair
does
not
occur
so
you're
going
to
see
an
uptick
in
cancers,
you're
going
to
see
problems
with
tolerance,
receptors,
which
is
viral
surveillance
system,
so
you're
going
to
have
a
problem
with
increased
epstein-barr
virus
and
increased
herpes
simplex
are
more
shingles.
E
This
is
already
happening,
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
issues
we're
seeing
that
the
the
virus,
the
vaccine,
cannot
be
broken
down
very
easily
we're
still
having
production
of
spike,
which
I
just
mentioned
two
months
later.
There's
a
lot
of
concerns
on
that
side,
but
there's
very
little
concerns
on
the
side
of
natural
immunity,
it's
very
safe
and
very
long-lasting
and
very
broad
and
very
durable,
and
that's
basically
the
main
thing,
but
we
have
our
own
feelings
about
the
shots,
as
you
already
said,
but
it's
data
driven,
it's
not
our
feelings.
It's
our
data.
A
H
Thank
you
and
my
notes
and
my
questions.
My
comments
may
be
a
little
bit
disjointed.
Last
year
we
did
and
appreciate
you
guys
for
being
here
in
the
omnibus
bill
that
we
had
specifically
language
that
I
had
to
try
to
get
put
in.
There
was
proof
of
covet,
19,
antibodies
and
so
to
recognize
natural
immunity.
So
we
did
get
that
into
the
omnibus
spill
in
that
in
some
fashion.
H
It
has,
to
the
consequence,
has
to
be
reasonable
for
someone
that
that
does
not
get
it
so
at
the
time
I
think
the
it
was
a
five
dollar
fine
for
the
person
that
did
not
get
it
harm
avoidance
and
then
the
last
is
proportionality.
Does
the
good
outweigh
the
the
mandate?
The
good
of
the
mandate
outweigh
you
being
forced
to
get
it.
H
E
Yeah,
so
thank
you.
You
want
to
answer
that
now.
Okay,
so
it's
not
necessary
for
the
health
of
others,
because
you
said
even
the
vaccine
itself
is
not
preventing
transmission
or
or
infection.
But,
more
importantly,
as
you
heard,
57
000
patients
in
the
cleveland
clinic
study
zero
re-infections,
the
foia
request,
as
you
just
pointed
out,
zero
re-infections
of
people
who
had
documented
covet
and
then
another
case
of
code,
so
we're
seeing
that
we're
talking
about
this
bill,
specifically
the
already
infected
the
already
recovered,
it's
absolutely
unnecessary
and
actually
harmful,
you're
harming.
E
H
H
H
E
I
Sir,
mr
chair,
thank
you.
That's
that's
the
absolute
point.
The
majority
of
people
actually
have
had
coven.
Now,
that's
the
good
news
and
we
take
an
oath
in
medicine
to
first
do
no
harm
primo.
No,
no.
We
take
that
oath
very
seriously.
Physical
harm,
psychological
harm,
financial
harm,
don't
harm
the
patient.
If
they
have
had
covid
and
we
apply
these
shots,
we
are
putting
them
at
increased
risk
of
harm.
We
look
at
data
out
of
the
uk
and
scotland
showing
in
children
there
that
are
getting
the
shot.
I
E
Yeah
I
was
going
to
add
to
that.
This
comes
from
england,
it's
children
from
10
to
14..
They
did
vaccinate
children
at
higher
risk,
so
there
might
be
a
tendency
for
these
children
to
die
anyway,
but
52
times
is
certainly
off
the
charts.
So
if
there
was,
there
was
an
attempt
to
try
to
hit
the
children
who
already
had
the
worst,
who
are
already
sick,
maybe
diabetes
or
something
but
a
52
times
number
is-
is
off
the
chart.
Dr.
H
Terry,
thank
you
and
you
said
something
about
the
studies
and
zero
infections,
and
I
wanted
to
make
a
statement.
Let
people
be
aware
of
some
things
that
during
my
research
and
all
this-
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
this
lines
up
with
what
you
guys,
it
sounds
like
what
it
lines
up
with
what
you
guys
have
saying
so
earlier.
H
They
were
hospitalized
of
that
98
had
been
vaccinated,
1410
had
not
been
vaccinated,
and
so
the
implication
obviously,
is
the
decrease
in
your
risk
if
you're
vaccinated,
but
I
asked
the
follow-up
question
and
the
question
was
of
those
1410
that
have
not
been
vaccinated.
How
many
had
had
a
previous
infection?
H
What
was
my
answer?
They
couldn't
tell
me
anybody.
I
had
several
questions
after
that
for
several
months
asking.
If
you
can
follow
up.
Can
you
give
me
anybody?
That's
been
there.
The
answer
has
been
no.
I
asked
our
department
of
health
if
they
had
been
studying
that,
and
that
was
not.
They
did
not
begin
studying
that
until
september.
I
do
not
have
an
answer
from
anybody
that
that
has
been
hospitalized
after
a
previous
like
an
alpha
infection
or
whatever.
So
is
that
similar
to
what
you
guys
are
hearing.
E
So
that
is,
that
is
correct.
We
are
not
finding
people
reinfected
in
the
hospitals.
It's
very
loud.
It's
been
seen.
It's
looked
one
country,
I
think
it
was
abu
dhabi,
qatar
actually
looked
at
this.
It
was
almost
zero
patients
that
had
been
reinfected
that
re-entered
the
hospital.
I
think
it
may
have
been
one
who
did
well
so
this
these
patients,
who
are
already
naturally
immune,
are
not
turning
up
with
illness.
Omicron
has
had
a
lot
of
people
who
already
have
the
virus
have
a
mild
cold
like
illness.
E
I
don't
know
of
anyone,
who's
actually
passed
away
after
having
amica
after
having
omicron
and
been
previously
infected,
so
we
are
seeing
omicron
breaking
through
on
the
on
the
both
the
vaccinated
side
and
in
the
natural
immune
side.
But
these
are
ten
on
the
natural
immune
side
have
been
very
mild
infections.
What
we're
seeing
in
england
is
the
triple
vaccinated
are
dying
from
almicron,
so
we
are
seeing
that
we're
also
seeing
the
numbers
from
2021,
where
40
more
deaths
occurred
from
18
to
64.
E
H
J
I
I
have
never
spoken
against
a
vaccine
in
my
lifetime.
I'm
not
anti-vaccine,
I'm
pro-good
science
now,
with
these
experimental
gene
shots
that
have
never
been
used
on
humanity
before
I
have
strong
scientific
concerns
based
on
a
long
long
background
in
immunology,
virology
and
pathology
and
as
the
data
accumulates,
and
I
see
the
damage
being
done.
I
am
again
you
know,
like
you
as
a
physician,
and
I
admire
you,
know
your
long
career
and
what
you've
accomplished.
I
think
we
can
both
agree
that
first
do
no
harm.
I
You
know
at
warp,
speed
beginning
when
we
tried
this
concept
may
have
been
a
good
idea,
but
once
the
data
came
in
after
one
month
of
pfizer
data
and
we
saw
1200
deaths
in
one
month,
we
knew
right
away
that
something
was
gravely
wrong
when
a
vaccine
has
25
to
50
deaths,
that's
pulled
off
the
market
when
a
medical
product
has
that
many
deaths,
it's
pulled
off
the
market.
When
pfizer
had
1200
in
one
month,
it
should
have
been
pulled
off
the
market.
I
There
were
more
cardiac
events
in
their
vaccine
than
their
placebo
group,
so
these
approvals
or
authorizations
have
essentially
been
obtained
by
fraud,
and
that's
why
you
see
wall
street
bailing
out
of
modernity
and
pfizer
right
now,
because
the
data
is
coming
out
not
from
the
scientists
but
from
the
actuarial
and
the
insurance
companies
that
are
running
from
the
street
right
now,
because
they're
paying
out
bigger
death
and
disability
claims
than
they
have
ever
done
in
all
of
their
years
and
careers.
I
am
not
anti-vaccine
never
have
been.
I
am
anti-bad
science
may.
E
Sir,
so
the
platform
for
messenger
rna
platform
course
was
developed
in
1980s,
but
the
lipid
nanoparticle
platform
has
been
used
for
other
purposes
and
I
was
done
oncology
and
we
were
using
it
to
create
chemotherapy
carrier
to
the
brain
and
to
the
eye,
and
what
we
found
was
that
lipid
nanoparticles
are
like
garlic.
They
go
everywhere.
E
So
the
problem
you
have
is,
I
tell
p,
I
tell
patients,
you
need
a
door
open
to
let
a
virus
in,
but
you
need
a
door
crack
to
let
a
lipid
nanoparticle
in
this
is
the
problem
from
the
technology
platform.
From
the
beginning
it
was
going
to
go,
it
wasn't
going
to
ever
stay
in
the
arm
and
that's
been
proven
by
multiple
studies.
E
So
what
you
have
is,
since
you
asked
the
question,
I'm
against
the
technology
platform
of
messing
rna
vaccine,
because
it's
carried
in
a
lipid
nanoparticle
that
you
cannot
control
it's
going
to
go
into
the
ovaries.
It's
going
to
go
in
the
adrenal
glands.
It's
going
to
go
into
the
spleen.
It's
going
to
go
into
the
brain.
It's
going
to
go
into
all
those
tissues
and,
and
the
heart
has
fairly
tight
junctions,
it's
going
to
get
outside
the
wall
of
the
heart
because
it
can
slip
through
door
cracks.
So
that's
the
problem
with
the
technology
platform.
E
J
I
Correct,
especially
against
omicron,
it's
negatively
effective
at
delta.
It
was
at
about
zero,
maybe
early
on,
it
prevented
some
severity
and
hospitalization
with
early
variants,
but
that
benefit
went
away
after
a
few
months
and
has
long
since
been
gone
since
delta
hit,
and
so
we
can
say
with
scientific
certainty
as
we
look
at
the
data
around
the
world
that
that's
the
point
now
these
these
shots
have
not
been
modified
since
they
came
out.
I
So
it's
the
original
variant
that
went
extinct
a
year
ago,
so
now
we're
mandating
shots
still
around
the
country
for
a
shot
that
doesn't
work
for
a
virus.
That's
here
now,
so
we
have
an
extinct
virus
and
we're
telling
people
they
need
to
get
a
shot
for
it
and
and
that
doesn't
make
any
scientific
sense
whatsoever.
It's
like
saying,
hey.
I
want
you
to
be
immune
against
diphtheria,
but
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
flu
shot
from
five
years
ago.
I
I
E
Think
the
totality
of
the
vaccine
has
been
that
early.
It
was
showing
some
effectiveness,
but
when
we
look
at
the
totality
we're
seeing
40
more
deaths
in
2021,
so
we
have
to
look
what
is
happening.
Why
are
these
people
having
strokes,
heart
attacks
and
higher
risk
for
cancer?
Why
are
we
seeing
so
much
viral
immune,
bell's,
palsy
and
shingles?
Why
are
we
seeing
all
that?
We
have
to
try
to
put
that
together?
So
I
think
that
there
would
be
very
easy
for
me
to
say
we
should
be
cautiously
moving
forward
with
this
vaccine.
E
If
you
look
at
the
data
from
england
where
we're
getting
true
data-
and
everyone
knows
that
the
cdc
stopped
tracking
data
in
may
of
2021
why'd,
they
do
that.
I
have
no
idea.
I
do
know
they
didn't
do
that
in
england
and
you
can
see
quite
re.
I
have
the
charts
for
anybody
who
wants
to
see
them.
The
triple
vaccinator
are
dying
at
high
rates
in
england
period.
Dr
kumar.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Once
again
I
was
you,
your
answers
are
very
erudite
and
very
long
and
full
of
knowledge,
and
I
admire
you
for
that.
At
the
same
time,
what
I
was
looking
for
simplicity
in
your
answers-
and
I
think
when
I
asked
you
about
the
effectiveness
vaccinate,
what
you're
saying
is
vaccine
might
have
been,
and
I'm
not
putting
words
in
your
mouth.
My
what
I'm
hear
from
you
is
that
vaccine
might
have
been
maybe
slightly
effective
in
the
early
part,
not
for
delta
and
harmful
for
omicron.
For
the
american
part.
J
I
I
see
your
point
I
mean
the
virus
has
evolved,
our
vaccines
have
not.
I
mean
you
know
that,
and
I
know
that,
and
I
think
we
are
on
the
same
page
on
that,
but
to
imply
I
have
I
struggled
with
the
implication
that
the
vaccination
was
not
helpful
at
all
in
us
controlling
and
getting
over
the
the
severe
pandemic
with
so
many
deaths
that
happened
almost
800,
000
deaths
and
so
on.
J
It's
been
a
major
major
event
for
our
humanity,
so
I
I
think,
I'm
just
trying
to
again
register
your
statement
that
you
think
vaccination
was
not
effective,
for
the
origin
was
slightly
effective,
maybe
and
for
delta.
It
was
not
effective
at
all
in
omicron,
it's
harmful.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
sincerely
to
in
the
interest
of
time?
Am
I
still
understanding
you
correctly.
I
Mr
sure,
you
can
answer
to
a
degree
but
to
the
neglect
of
recognizing
natural
immunity
early
on
to
the
neglect
of
ignoring
and
suppressing
early
treatments
that
are
far
more
effective
early
on
than
doing
a
shot
in
the
middle
of
a
fast
spreading
virus.
So,
but
maybe
I
mean
0.345
decrease
in
hospitalization
severity
of
disease
with
the
early
variants
is
the
calculations
I've
done
statistically
with
several
virologists.
That's
a
very
small
effect.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
J
To
get
there,
chairman
smith
asked
you
a
very
good
question
when
she
asked
that
what
does
hyperimmune
response
look
like
you
described
it,
but
what
she
meant
was
the
clinical
picture.
Can
you
in
one
or
two
same
words,
tell
us:
what
does
that
mean?
Hyperimmune
response
is
when
somebody
already
has
had
covet
and
they
get
vaccinations,
so
their
immunity
is
over
stimulated,
but
to
to
a
patient
coming
to
the
clinic
to
you.
What
does
that
look
like?
Can
you
do
that
kind
of
very
briefly.
E
I
Well
and
the
non-death
would
look
like
a
thousand
percent
increase
to
the
clinic
of
neurologic
conditions,
which
we
see
in
the
department
of
defense
military
epidemiology
database.
It
would
look
like
an
increase
in
autoimmune
diseases.
It
would
look
like
an
increase
in
bowel
disease
and
bowel
discomfort.
It
would
look
like
an
increase
in
joint
pain.
It
would
look
like
an
increase
in
fatigue.
It
would
look
like
an
increase
in
inability
to
daily
function.
I
mean
there
are
44
000
people
permanently
disabled
from
these
shots
in
the
united
states.
I
E
E
E
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
gentlemen,
thank
you
really.
I
once
again
the
take-home
message
I
get
from
you
is
sincerely
that
the
vaccine
was
minimally
effective
or
not
effective,
against
covet
covert
virus,
and
that's
that's
the
message
that
I
see
coming
from
you
and
thank
you
for
you
for
for
explaining
that
and.
I
Mr
chairman,
mayor
comment,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
thank
dr
kumar.
For
those
very
pointed
questions.
I
just
want
to
circle
it
back
to
the
point
at
hand.
Natural
immunity
is
long,
durable
and
a
good
thing
and
we're
grateful.
We
could
get
to
that
point
in
our
society,
and
so
I
think
that's
really.
The
point
of
this
is
there
are
a
lot
of
weeds
we
could
get
into,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
think
recognizing
what
science
and
and
our
god-given
natural
immune
system,
I
think,
is
the
key
point
here.
C
I
Mr
chair,
that's
a
great
question.
I
get
this
quite
often
the
short
answer
is,
and
this
is
the
good
news,
the
majority
people
don't
have
these
adverse
side
effects
now.
Are
we
seeing
them
at
a
high
degree
compared
to
what
we
have
historically
with
any
other
medical
therapy
or
shot?
Yes,
we
are
our
body
once
we
get,
that
shot
has
made,
that
memory
to
that
spike
and
that
antibody
now
that
can
fade
if
we're
never
exposed
to
another
coronavirus,
no
problem,
if
we're
exposed
to
another
one,
it
can
cause
some
enhanced
disease.
I
So
the
hope
is
that
we're
all
fine,
the
reality
is
statistically
we're.
Seeing
some
signals
that
there
are
some
increased
adverse
outcomes
in
those
who've
received.
Multiple
shots.
Time
will
tell
I
wish
we
could
advance
that
clock
and
know.
Can
we
get
rid
of
it?
No,
we
have
memory.
Now
to
it.
Can
we
optimize
our
immune
health
optimize,
our
sleep
optimize,
our
vitamin
d,
optimize
our
diet,
things
that
will
optimize
and
not
have
a
a
hyper
immune
reaction?
I
Yes,
we
can
do
those
kind
of
things
I
tell
people.
The
most
important
thing
you
can
do
is
have
a
normal
vitamin
d
level,
like
a
conductor
of
a
symphony
that
brings
in
the
sections
of
your
immune
system
at
the
right
times
and
fades
them
out
as
they
need
to.
But
if
your
vitamin
d
level
is
low,
then
your
immune
system
is
like
a
mosh
pit
at
a
punk
rock
concert.
I
C
I
E
Yeah
I
I
can.
I
can
talk
with
that
part
of
the
issue
I'm
dealing
with
washington.
Is
I've
been
going
there
since
probably
june
2020.,
the
political
people
are
running
a
lot
of
the
agencies
and
their
agencies
are
actually
getting
much
of
their
funding
from
from
from
big
pharma
for
the
most
part,
so
I
think
there's
some
influences
there
that
make
it
hard
to
get
to
get
those
messages
out.
E
There's
a
cancer
connect
is
a
place
where
you
can
get
information
online
if
they
put
out
information
that
vitamin
d
helps
helps
to
prevent
cancers.
They've
been
the
person
who
runs
that
has
told
me
that
basically,
they
have
to.
They
can't
have
to
eliminate
that
information.
The
drug
companies
don't
want
that
out
there,
so
I
think
there's
influences
politically
from
big
pharma
and
a
lot
of
that
messaging.
I
always
ask
why
couldn't
you?
E
Why
couldn't
you
put
somebody
else
in
fauci's
place
and
I
got
looked
out
like
I
something
it
was
growing
out
of
my
head.
So
it's
very
interesting
as
you
go
forward
and
the
point
you
asked
about
earlier
about
whether
you
can
get
rid
of
these
vaccines
from
your
system.
It's
basically
like
a
dose
response,
the
more
you
get,
the
more
it
accumulates
in
your
body
and
we
are
seeing
some
in
experimental
models,
reverse
transcription,
which
is
very
worrisome.
E
This
is
the
latest
one
just
came
out
about
a
week
ago,
showing
that
it
goes
in
the
liver
cells
and
it
reverse
transcribes
and
becomes
a
permanent
part
of
your
your
genome.
So
we
we
have.
It's
just
happened
so
quickly.
This
is
this.
Is
this
is
not
unusual
for
messenger
rna?
To
do
this?
It's
seven
percent
of
our
genome,
or
so
is,
is
actually
reverse
transcribed
viral
dna.
So
this
is
not
something
that
might
happen.
It
already
has
happened
to
the
human
to
the
human
condition
over
the
last
millennia.
E
So
these
are
not
things
that
are.
I
tell
people.
These
are
like
a
nuclear.
It's
like
nuclear
energy,
you
can
make
a
bomb
or
you
can
make
electricity.
So
this
is
a
very
dangerous
platform
and
I
think
we've
gone
too
quickly
and
I've,
not
I'm
not
anti-vaccine.
My
kids
have
six
kids.
I've
had
like
300
vaccines,
so
I've
never
spoken
out
about
vaccines
before
this
is
a
platform.
It's
a
gene
therapy
platform
has
a
tremendous
promise,
but
it
also
has
limitations
speaker
marsh.
A
A
L
A
A
I
had
promised,
and
I
know
we've
still
got
lots
of
items,
but
I
had
promised
we
had
an
issue
and
had
a
request
from
one
of
the
sponsors
here.
Chairman
todd
werner
had
asked
us.
There
were
two
of
his
witnesses.
That
could
not
be-
I
guess,
diverted
from
being
here
today
and
I
promised
him
the
last
10
minutes
to
let
them
speak.
It's
on
item
that
we're
not
going
to
get
to
today.