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House Elections & Campaign Finance Subcommittee - April 14, 2021 - House Hearing Room 2
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A
A
A
First
up,
we
have
item
number
two
HB
1158
by
representative
Stewart
and
motion
in
a
second
that
Bill.
He
has
asked
that
that
be.
Let's
see
this
particular
one
that
one
he's
asked
for
it
to
be
robe.
It
has
to
be.
We
can't
it's
a
third
counter,
so
it's
got
to
go
to
the
clerk's
test.
A
special
calendar
excuse
me
before
we
can
do
that
so
moved
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
oppose,
nay,.
A
A
A
D
We
we
hear
it
every
day,
I'm
sure
you
hear
it
as
much
from
your
constituents
as
I
do,
and
this
has
been
going
on
for
predates
me
three
four,
five,
six,
eight
years
to
the
point
that
in
2018
or
2017,
this
body
requested
a
task
or
study
that
Tasker
study
came
back
and
and
I
can
share
it
with
anybody.
That
cares
to
see
it,
but
it
came
back
and
recommended
set
recommended
several
things,
and
one
of
them
was
that
we
should
have
paper
ballots
in
in
Tennessee
right
now.
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E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
just
one
not
had
a
chance
to
go
through
every
single
thing
on
this,
but
my
question
to
you:
rep
Freeman
would
be
do
they
not
have
the
ability
that
they
can
go
ahead
and
do
this
at
this
point?
Why
are
we
having
to
pass
something?
Will
this
mandate
they
have
to
do
it,
or
will
it
still
be
permissive
that
they
can
do
it?
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
A
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E
F
Would
your
bill
as
amended
require
any
other
way
of
scanning
documents,
it's
atypical
from
right
now
from
right
now
like?
Is
there
a
currently
we
skip?
Currently
we
we
in
Tennessee,
we
don't
have
a
problem
with
elections.
We
simply
don't
everything's
managed
well
from
Secretary
of
State.
We
don't
have
any
issues,
I
guess
if
we're
not
having
issues
I,
guess
what
what
solution
or
is
this
bill
seek
to
or
problem?
Does
this
bill
seek
to
fix,
I
I,
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
because
sure,
not
necessarily
with
you
or
your
bill?
F
D
A
fantastic
question
this
bill
contemplates
the
the
the
idea
of
the
printed
verified
paper
trail
so
how
that
gets
entered.
There
are
numerous
ways
we
could
come
up
with
another
10
different
ways
between
now
and
the
time
that
that
we
have
a
next
election.
All
this
does
is
verify
make
sure
that
we
have
a
paper
trail.
D
That's
number
one
number,
two,
the
idea
of
having
that
paper
trail
Falls
in
line
with
best
practices
from
both
our
Tasker
study
that
that
this
body
requested
and
the
result
came
out
that
came
out
of
that-
was
that
we
need
to
have
a
verified
paper
trail
and,
and
also
the
Department
of
Homeland.
Security
has
called
out
that,
if
you
don't
have
a
paper
trail
that
that
you
are
at
risk
of
of
something
happening
and
while
I
agree
today,
we
we
do
a
great
job.
A
F
Thought
he
called
me
representative,
love
for
a
minute,
but
anyways
that
was
confusing.
Yeah
me
too
super
confused,
but
now
I'm
I'm
back
on
the
reservation.
I
have
a
fan.
The
reason
why
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
this
bill
is
I,
have
a
fantastic
chairman
of
the
Election
Commission.
In
my
community,
I
mean
they.
D
D
Thank
you
for
those
comments
again.
This
is
it's
a
very
simple
Bill
it.
It
follows
the
recommendations
of
the
bipartisan
Tasker
study
that
this
body
put
forth.
That
recommended
that
we
have
voter
Fair
voter
verified
paper
trail.
It
follows
the
recommendation
recommendations
of
the
Department
of
Homeland
Security,
and
it
puts
Tennessee
in
line
with
other
states
as
a
best
practice
in
how
elections
should
take
place.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
can
identify
with
the
statement
that
the
current
situation
predates
us
having
been
here
like
the
three
years,
but
my
understanding
of
what's
taking
place
is
that
we
at
state
level
look
after
making
sure
that
the
local
folk
do
a
good
job
and,
as
a
result
of
us
making
sure
they
do
a
good
job
as
you
referenced.
There
was
a
study.
It
came
out
with
the
best
practices
and
I
can
say.
In
the
last
election,
my
home
county,
Knox
County
moved
to
a
Machinery
setup.
G
G
It's
going
to
cost
some
money.
So
let
me
go
back
to
where
I
started.
The
study
was
conducted
in
the
local
authorities
are
working
to
get
to
best
practice
and
I
think
that
I'll
have
to
leave
it
at
that
and
and
as
then,
that
works
out
I
can't
support
the
bill,
but
I.
Thank
you
for
presenting
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chairman
representative,.
A
D
D
We,
we
tell
them
through
our
our
state
government
how
elections
need
to
take
place
and
if
we,
as
a
body,
are
going
to
take
State
resources
to
perform
a
tasker
study
and
and
and
the
last
page
of
this
Tasker
study
I'm
going
to
read
it
just
so
that
we're
all
clear
include
strong
recommendations
for
vpat
devices,
and
so
again
this
is
not
requiring
them
to
buy
a
specific
machine.
It's
not
calling
out
a
brand.
It's
not
calling
out
the
the
process
in
which
they
do
it.
D
It's
it's
just
requiring
us
to
go
back
home
to
our
constituents
and
be
able
to
look
them
in
the
eye
and
say:
we've
done
our
part
to
make
sure
that
our
elections
are
secure
and
I.
I
I
hope
that
you
can
change
your
mind
and
and
support
this,
and
and
on
the
fiscal
note,
let
us
let
us
debate
that
in
in
finance.
D
Let
us
debate
the
merits
of
elections
in
the
election
committee
right
now
and
if
you
can
honestly
tell
me
that
you
don't
believe
that
a
voter
verified
paper
trail
is
the
best
practice
for
voter
security
and
vote
election
security.
Then
then
I'll
roll
this
to
next
year
and
I'll
spend
the
rest
of
the
summer.
Talking
to
you.
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D
B
B
Why
should
we
not
wait
on
that
and
I
certainly
appreciate
the
task
or
study,
but
should
we
not
wait
on
that
until
we
move
forward
like
Vice
chair
Wright,
said
in
Knox
County
we
have
upgraded
I,
don't
know
if
it
would
be
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
to
the
standard
where
we
need,
but
that
is
my
concern.
Should
we
not
wait
for
the
federal
study
before
we
move
forward
at
the
state
level
and
I
guess
I'm,
just
a
little
confused
on
that.
D
Short
answer
is
no
I
have
no
idea
what
the
federal
government's
going
to
do.
I
have
no
confidence
that
hr1
is
going
to
pass.
I
have
no
confidence
that,
even
if
it
does
pass
that
the
state
of
Tennessee
doesn't
join
a
lawsuit
to
say
that
the
federal
government
can't
tell
us
how
to
run
our
elections,
and
so
it
to
me
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
to
to
do
what
we
think
is
right.
If
hr1
conflicts
with
it,
you
know,
then
then
we
can
do
it
at
that
point.
D
But
but
this
bill
is
a
good
bill
and
it
puts
best
practices
forward
and
I
mean
you
know
they
could
pass
any
bill.
They
could
make
it
that
you,
you
can.
You
know,
vote
by
carrier
pigeon,
and
this
bill
does
not
contemplate
that.
So
there
are
so
many
variables
that
I
can't
even
begin
to
understand
and
hr1
is
completely
irrelevant
to
to
this
legislation.
C
D
C
E
E
D
I
I
don't
actually
know
how
they
come
up
with
some
of
these
numbers.
To
be
totally
honest
with
you,
the
the
the
the
the
main
point
for
me
is
that,
as
these
machines
begin
to
get
replaced,
they
will
be
forced
to
buy
something
that
has
a
voter
verified
paper
trail.
If
you
read
in
the
in
the
fiscal
note
it,
it
also
goes
back
to
a
2018
survey,
which
then
references
the
Tasser.
D
My
belief
is:
is
that
once
we
really
dig
into
this,
that
number
will
be
significantly
less
because,
for
example,
Knox
County
is
not
is
not
on
the
list
of
having
a
voter
verified
paper
trail
right
now,
and
these
are.
These
are
best
practices
that
I
would
wager
every
single
election,
commissioner,
as
they're
buying
a
new
machine
is
including
this
in
in
their
in
their
their
bids
and
their
requirements
for
the
bids.
A
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
guess
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
thinking
and
I
didn't
know.
If
there
was
a
deeper
explanation
that
I
was
missing
but
I
mean
I
would
think
that
once
the
machines
are
allocated
by
our
locals
that
that
number
would
not
be
reoccurring
once
the
expense
was
made,
but
so
I
can't
figure
out
why
this
is
reoccurring.
Cost.
E
D
A
A
A
A
H
H
Also
it
can
bring
consistency
and
reduce
voter
confusion
and
our
largest
high
debt
areas
that
have
a
very
high
number
of
positions
on
the
ballot
and
Shelby
County.
There's
about
40
judicial
positions
alone
in
Davidson
County
there's
about
30
judicial
positions
there,
so
that
can
create
confusion
again.
The
main
impact
of
this
bill
it'll
result
in
more
efficient,
cost-effective
government
again
in
these
large
high
debt
counties,
as
well
as
more
consistent,
less
confusing
daunting
elections
and
to
throw
out
the
information
that
the
basis
of
this
Davidson
county
is
dead.
H
I
was
a
little
surprised,
I
assume,
Shelby
County
would
be
number
one,
but
Davidson
County
has
3.4
3.6
billion
dollars
in
debt.
Memphis
city
has
1.3
billion
dollars
in
debt.
Shelby
County
has
995
000
million
dollars
in
debt.
I
know
some
members
of
this
committee
that
we're
on
another
committee
with
me.
We
see
that
some
of
these
entities
are
coming
to
legislature
now
looking
for
more
ways
to
raise
revenue,
but
I
think
we
need
to
begin
addressing
the
expenditure
side
of
the
equation
again.
H
A
C
H
C
C
When
we
talk
about
a
myriad
of
issues,
education
elections
but
but
I
would
I
would
hope
that
there'd
be
some
consideration
for
the
fact
that
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
this
is
what
Davidson
County
voters
are,
are
really
pushing
for.
I
know
they
don't
want
to
have
more
debt.
I
know
they'd
like
to
have
more
revenue
and
reduce
debt,
as
certainly
the
case,
but
but
my
concern
would
be
about
reducing
these
listings
of
candidates
on
the
ballot
and
whether
that's
the
best
direction
to
take
for
reducing
debt.
C
Even
before
we
had
the
Metropolitan
formal
government
before
it
was
just
Nashville
and
Davidson
County
and
then
of
course,
this
merger,
so
I
just
want
to
raise
that
issue
of
concern.
For
me
as
a
lifelong
resident
of
Davidson
County
I've
watched
our
investments,
of
course,
in
the
infrastructure
of
the
city
and
the
many
things
we're
trying
to
do.
But
I
do
appreciate
you
listening
and
hear
me
out
on
that
piece.
H
Thank
you,
and
while
this
legislation
at
this
point
would
be
limited
to
Shelby
and
Davidson,
it
does
impact.
The
whole
state
has
a
high
potential
of
impacting
the
whole
state.
If
any
of
these
counties,
or
in
case
of
Memphis
defaults,
it
does
fall
on
the
entire
State,
the
rest
of
the
state
to
step
in
there
and
being
from
Davidson,
it's
similar
being
from
Shelby
I,
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
heard
something
similar
to
oh.
H
A
I
My
colleague
here
is
from
Nashville
and
I'm,
not
from
Shelby,
but
I'm
68
miles
east
of
there,
so
I
think
I
will
speak
for
Shelby
I.
First
of
all,
I
kind
of
need
you
to
understand
the
latter
part
of
the
amendment
that
makes
the
bill
says:
remove
Shelby
County's
ability
to
choose
by
two-thirds
resolution
to
have
nonpartisan
elections,
thus
making
it
mandatory.
H
Yeah
and
that's
interesting
point
and
Doug
tells
into
other
pertinent
information
that
can
be
made.
Both
Counties
have
a
mix
of
partisan
and
non-partisan,
which
can
add
to
the
confusion
of
voters.
Davidson
County
has
partisan
judicial
elections.
Shelby
County
has
non-partisan
judicial
elections,
based
on
the
section
that
you
just
read.
H
If
this
legislation
passes,
then
both
counties
would
have
nonpartisan-judicial
elections
and
both
counties
would
save
that
money
on
the
May
primary
and
therefore
that
section
of
the
code
would
not
be
needed.
Shelby
County
has
already
implemented
that
and
again
does
have
the
non-partisan
judicial
elections.
Now
and
yes,
you
are
very
much
in
the
neck
of
the
woods
of
Shelby
County
and
I
actually
drive
through
your
District
regularly
on
the
way
to
McNair.
I
A
C
A
F
F
Well,
maybe
this
is
not
a
bad
idea,
and
particularly
you
draw
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
the
debt
as
it
relates
to
these
it
and
and
that
debt
really
bodes
in
support
of
your
bill,
because
what
it
proves
is
that
the
current
practice
isn't
working
of
all
the
debt
we
have
in
the
state.
These
two
are
encumbered
with
the
largest
debt
matter
of
fact.
H
The
lines
and
the
legislation
are
based
on
the
population
and
the
debt,
so
there
is
always
that
opportunity
for
counties,
local
governments
to
move
in
or
out
based
on
their
actions.
Again,
this
would
save
money
for
them.
Then
they
would
have
the
choice
of
reducing
their
debt
or
spending
twice
as
much
money
as
saved,
but
that
kind
of
goes
to
the
other
point
sooner
or
later.
If
they
don't
address
their
issues
we
or
the
Comptroller
will
have
to.
C
I
just
don't
want
us
to
get
to
a
place
where
we,
we
single
out
a
situation
and
become
so
focused
on
helping
Nashville,
reduce
its
debt
that
we
just
focusing
on
one
issue.
I,
certainly
welcome
all
opportunities
to
support
again
the
city
of
Nashville,
as
as
a
part
of
the
state
of
Tennessee.
To
not
have
this
this
heavy
debt
burden.
There's
a
great
conversation
we
can
have
about.
C
You
know
incentives
that
the
city
and
the
state
give
to
corporations
who
move
here
right
and-
and
maybe
we
need
to
have
the
conversation
and
maybe
not
track
so
much
business
right
and
say
hold
up
on
the
business
attraction.
So
we
can
reduce
his
debt
if
that,
again,
with
this
being
a
debt
reduction,
Bill
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
and
I'm
certain
pro-business.
C
But
you
know
a
lot
of
what
we
do
involves
giving
tax
abatements
to
to
business,
to
locate
and
get
them
tax
incentives
to
to
bring
business
which
all
works
together
and
so
I
don't
want
us
to
to
Focus.
So
much
on
that,
and
certainly
we
don't
want
anyone's
debt
to
get
out
of
control,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
talk
about
these
measures,
but
I'm
glad
you
did
answer
it
if
they
do
reduce
their
debt,
they
may
be
to
come
out
of
this
provision.
So
thank
you.
A
A
A
J
J
J
First
of
all,
this
is
a
campaign
Finance
reform
and
ethics
Reform
Bill,
and
this
started
years
ago,
not
just
recently
when
I
first
got
up
here,
one
of
the
first
bills,
I
co-sponsored,
was
to
require
campaign
funds
to
be
put
in
FDIC
account
and
and
and
I
could
not
believe.
We
did
not
do
that
beforehand.
All
campaign
funds,
so
this
is
just
kind
of
a
continuation
of
that
effort
that
started
years
ago,
and
there
are
several
sections
to
this
bill.
In
fact,
there's
over
30
and
just
real
quick,
summarize
sections
one
two
five.
J
It
covers
itemized
contributions
and
expenditures,
and
this
kind
of
dovetails
with
your
earlier
legislation,
Mr
chairman,
and
it
deletes
the
it
establishes
new
reporting
periods
to
begin
and
on
or
after
one
January
2022,
it's
the
least
100
and
less
exclusion
for
reporting
and
sub
substituting.
Instead,
the
requirement
to
list
all
contributions
received,
including
the
full
name,
complete
address
occupation,
an
employer
of
each
person
who
contributed
During,
the
period
of
which
the
statement
is
submitted
and
the
amount
contributed
by
the
persons
and
Pat's
packs
are
included
in
this
requirement.
J
It
also
adds
the
requirement
to
report
an
in-kind
contributions
of
any
amount.
This
also
removes
the
automatic
audit
for
statements
with
thirty
percent
unoptimized
contributions
and
totals
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
now.
The
one
thousand
dollar
Max
under
this
legislation
only
applies
to
local
candidates,
not
to
state
level
candidates.
Section
15-19
covers
the
interim
10-day
reporting
period.
What
we
have
we'll
do
here
is
currently
they
are
hand,
delivered
or
mailed
overnight
mail.
J
We're
adding
electronic
means
to
submit
this
report
by
close
of
business
each
day
and
it
changes
the
amount
required
to
be
reported
from
five
thousand
to
twenty
five
hundred
dollars.
This
is
the
same
as
local
elections.
It
adds
expenditures
to
the
reporting
requirement,
as
well
as
contributions
and
independent
expenditures,
including
including
those
by
Pax,
and
it
calls
for
the
registry
to
develop
an
electronic
filing
system
for
reports
required
during
this
10-day
period.
J
It
cannot
be
paid
using
funds
from
a
political,
Campaign,
Committee
or
PAC.
It
takes
away
that
ability
to
do
that.
That's
section,
20.,
section
21
requires
all
Pacs
and
candidates
to
keep
their
campaign
and
Pac
monies
in
a
separate,
segregated
and
designated
bank
account
and
prohibits
co-mingling
of
these
funds
with
personal
business
or
other
funds.
That's
a
new
requirement.
Previously.
This
was
an
administrative
Rule,
and
the
registry
could
not
level
fines
for
infractions
of
this
rule.
J
Section
22..
This
section
requires
501c4s
non-profit
entities
who
engage
in
paid
political
Communications
within
60
days
of
election
for
state
or
local
offices
to
register
as
a
PAC,
currently
law,
including
Federal
campaign
Finance
Finance
law,
allows
501c4
entities
to
raise
and
spend
unlimited
amount
of
monies
without
any
disclosure
of
the
sources
of
that
money
or
exactly
owned
or
what
or
how
that
money
was
spent.
J
These
expenditures
often
take
the
form
of
communications
that
contain
the
name
or
likeness
of
candidates,
but
are
not
deemed
especially
to
specially
advocate
for
their
election
or
defeat
so
long
as
the
C4
entities
do
not
include
any
electioneering
language
such
as
vote
four
or
vote
against
oppose
of
support
and
their
Communications
or
expenditures
they
do
not
have
to
register
as
a
pack.
This
will
change
under
this
requirement.
Without
these
trigger
triggering
words,
such
language
is
considered
public
education
rather
than
to
seek
influence
election
outcome.
They
are
not
subject
currently
to
disclosure
under
campaign
Finance
laws.
J
This
section
would
essentially
redefine
the
thresholds
for
state
and
local
pack.
Disclosures
away
from
the
electioneering
language
standard
instead
set
a
new
standard
as
the
state
and
local
only
candidates,
name
or
visual
likeness
contained
within
a
paid
communication
is
the
communication
or
expenditure
is
made
within
60
days
of
when
the
candidate
is
set
to
appear
on
the
ballot
and
if
the
total
amount
spent
for
such
expenditure
exceeds
five
thousand
dollars.
J
This
provision
only
applies
to
C4
entities,
spending
on
state
or
local
candidates.
It
wouldn't
only
require
C4
entities
to
register
as
a
fact
with
the
state
or
County,
not
the
f,
Federal
Election
Commission,
section
23
registry
of
election
Finance
we're
changing
some
things
here.
Currently,
the
registry
is
composed
of
six
members
with
one
Democrat,
one
Republican
being
appointed
by
the
governor,
House
and
Senate
the
terms
for
five
years
and
there's
no
limit
to
the
number
of
terms
any
registry
member
can
be
appointed
or
served.
J
This
is
required
to
prevent
this
legislation
is
required
to
prevent
holdover
appointments.
We
have
one
person
who
is
serving
seven
years
past
this
last
appointment
code
is
amended
by
state
in
the
following.
A
registry
member
must
not
consecutively
serve
more
than
one
full
term.
This
will
apply
to
terms
being
served
upon
the
effective
date
of
this
act.
Vacancies
can
be
filled
in
the
same
manner
as
the
vacancies
member's
office
was
originally
filled.
J
It
also
designates
the
speaker
of
the
Senate
and
Speaker
of
the
House
is
appointing
authorities
in
consultation
with
each
caucus
to
resolve
constitutional
issues
and
challenges
in
accordance
with
an
AG
opinion
from
the
what
we're
prohibit
registered
family
member
serving
his
employees
of
the
state
participate
in
any
election
campaign
or
lobbying
or
employees
of
lobbyists
is
no
longer
a
requirement
registry.
Members
of
the
members
of
the
registry
must
not
serve
for
one
year
after
their
removal,
vacancy
or
termination
of
the
term
of
office.
J
It's
the
state
or
local
office
official
employee
or
any
political
subdivision
of
the
state.
In
other
words,
this
stops
the
revolving
door
for
one
year
after
they
complete
their
term.
They
cannot
serve
as
an
officer
of
any
political
party
or
PAC,
make
contributions
to
participate
in
any
election
campaign
Lobby
or
employed
as
a
lobbyist
and
be
employed
by
any
elected
office,
holder,
section
26.,
to
resolve
constitutional
issues
and
challenges.
In
accordance
with
ag
opinion,
prohibition
is
removed
for
the
ethics
commission,
family
members
serving
as
employee
of
the
state
or
participate
in
any
way.
J
J
I
want
to
note
right
now.
Some
TCA
section
210-123
makes
it
a
crime
for
a
member
or
members
elect
of
the
general
assembly
Governor
member
of
the
governor's
staff
comptroller
Secretary
of
the
State
Treasurer,
to
receive
a
consulting
fee.
That
generally
is
considered
bribery
in
many
circumstances.
What
we're
doing
we're
going
to
define
the
difference
between
Consulting
and
campaign
Services
section
28,
the
TCA
is
amended
by
adding
the
language
or
campaign
Services
immediately
following
the
language
Consulting
Services,
wherever
it
may
appear.
J
Section
30
is
amended
by
adding
the
language
campaign
Services
immediately
following
the
language
of
consulting
services
for
members
of
the
general
assembly
who
contracts
to
receive
a
fee,
commission
or
other
form
of
compensation,
including
in-kind
compensation
or
the
provision
of
campaign.
Services
State
person
or
entity.
J
The
candidate
or
member
shall
make
disclosures
required
with
respect
to
campaign
Services,
provided
also,
if
a
candidate
for
one
or
more
member
of
the
general
assembly
contracts
to
pay
again
a
candidate
for
or
member
of
the
general
assembly
contracts
to
pay
a
person
or
entity
or
fee
commission
or
another
form
of
compensation,
including
in-kind
compensation
for
provisions
of
campaign.
Services
the
candidate
or
member,
shall
just
make
disclosures
required
under
the
provisions
again,
we
do
not
want
to
take
what
some
members
have
a
business
providing
campaign
Services.
J
We
wanted
to
be
able
to
allow
them
to
do
that,
but
just
to
ensure
disclosure
of
that
those
activities
and
who
they
deal
with
section
31
includes
from
a
Class
C
to
a
class
A
misdemeanor
to
knowingly
fail
to
disclose
or
provide
false,
incomplete
or
misleading
information
on
the
disclosure
form
section.
32.
J
J
So
if
we
have
a
staff
person
providing
campaign
Services
or
an
employee
of
the
general
assembly,
they're
going
to
have
to
report
that
who
they
do
business
with
section
34.
adds
cabinet
members
to
the
list
of
persons
who
cannot
take
Consulting
Services.
If
you
recall,
we
had
a
Cabinet
member,
we
were
receiving
nearly
eight
thousand
dollars
a
month.
Consulting
Services
cabinet
members
were
not
on
the
list
of
people
who
could
receive
that
money.
This
merely
adds
cabinet
members
to
that
list.
J
This
disclosure
required
the
specific
identity,
each
source
of
compensation,
including
two,
but
not
limited
to
clients
and
customers,
and
have
brief
description
of
the
nature
of
the
duties
before
does
not
include
the
amount
of
money.
What
this
does
is,
if
you
have
a
Consulting
business
or
some
other
kind
of
business
on
the
side,
in
addition
to
your
current
you're
required
to
disclose
who
you
are
doing
business
with
it
does
not.
J
There
are
certain
exceptions
to
this
for,
like
doctors
and
lawyers
and
privileged
information,
let
me
see
here
also
requires
Disclosure
by
any
member
of
the
general
assembly
or
candidate
for
the
general
assembly,
the
name,
a
multi-candidate
political
action
committee
is
established
and
patrolled
by
the
member
or
candidate
within
the
media
immediately
preceding
five
years
of
the
data
disclosure,
in
other
words,
who
runs
these
leadership,
acts
must
be
disclosed.
This
disclosure
must
be
made
annually,
beginning
with
the
candidate
or
officials.
J
J
F
Jim,
chairman
Whitson,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
I
I,
really.
Obviously
it's
a
lengthy
bill,
but
I
do
think
that
there
are
three
components
really
of
the
bill.
That
I
think
are
very
important
for
us
to
discuss
and
that
is
clearly
defining
what
the
what
things
that
people
can
do
with
their
campaign
accounts
I,
think
it's
really
and
and
where
people
can
acquire
money
as
it
relates
to
their
campaign,
accounts
and
I
know.
F
This
is
a
a
really
long
bill,
but
I'm
excited
about
it,
because
I
really
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
brings
a
a
new
level
of
accountability.
I
would
consider
this
a
a
rewrite
or
an
update
based
upon
today's
way
of
campaigning
and
campaign.
Finance
reports,
and
so
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
doing
that.
I
look
forward
to
supporting
it,
I
guess
the
the
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had
as
it
related
to
it
is
why
why
do
you
have
to
have
different
effective
dates?
F
J
F
Williams,
thank
you
as
a
follow-up.
The
this
talks
about
a
lot
about
how
a
campaign
or
political
action
committee
can
receive
Revenue,
but
I
didn't
see
anywhere,
as
it
relates
to
political
campaigns
or
pacts
that
has
changed
much
about
the
expenditures
or
what
they
can
expend
money
on
is
that
is
that
correct
or
did
I
miss
it.
F
Williams
I
guess
maybe
let
me
rephrase
the
question
and
be
currently.
We
are
saying
what
we
in
our
packs,
what
we
are
spending
the
money
on
and
who
we're
spending
the
money
with
much
like
we
would
do
a
regular
campaign
Finance.
The
the
question
is:
is
the
types
of
things
we
can
spend
them
on,
like
meals
travel
lodging.
None
of
that
has
changed
in
this
bill
based
upon
what
I've
read.
Is
that
correct?
That's
Mr.
F
A
I
Thank
you
Mr
chairman.
Can
you
repeat
what
you
just
said?
No
no
I'm
kidding,
which
is
terrible,
I'm
kidding,
I'm,
kidding
I
I
I
appreciate
the
legislation.
I
do
appreciate
it,
but
I
guess
I
what
I
was
trying
to
comprehend,
because
I
just
took
my
own
line.
Ethics
report
today
actually
and
I
was
trying
to
comprehend.
As
you
were
reading.
J
I
J
J
I
You
Mr,
chairman
and
I'll,
be
through
I
I,
then
basically
I
think
that's
what
I
already
do.
I
I'm
I
was
just
trying
to
figure
out
if
it
was
going
to
change
the
way,
but
I
think
that's
basically
what
we
always
do,
because
I
always
take
that
campaign.
Money
very
serious,
so
I
think
reporting.
It
is
just
important
if
you
can
report
it
period.
Chairman.
J
For
instance,
under
the
the
the
booklet
that
we
were
given
by
the
registry
of
election
Finance,
is
it
strongly
recommends
that
you
basically
retain
copies
of
your
check,
checks
or
and
make
copies
of
those
that
you
receive?
This
puts
it
more
teeth
into
that
that
now
I'm
going
to
have
to
start
scanning
all
those
checks
and
keep
a
copy
of
it.
E
E
J
E
Let's
not
take
the
time
right
now
we
can
I
can
get
that
answer
and
come
back
to
that.
My
other
question
would
be
again:
I'm
a
small
business
owner
I
own,
a
printing
company
I,
am
a
member
of
the
general
assembly.
If
someone
comes
to
me
and
says,
hey
I
would
like
for
you
to
print
me
up
a
thousand
Flyers
to
mail
out
to
people
in
my
district.
E
J
J
J
E
Me
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
before
we
go
out
of
session
because
it
may
need
to
be
addressed
there
as
well.
The
way
I
kind
of
read
this
and
I
may
be
interpreting
it
completely
wrong.
But,
let's
say
let's
say:
I
have
something
that
I
have
put
together
a
letter
or
whatever
and
I
go
to.
Let's
say
chairman
holtzclaw
and
I
say
chairman
holtzclaw.
E
This
is
what
I'm
thinking
about
doing
sending
out
as
a
survey
to
my
constituents
and
I
show
it
to
him
and
he
says
well
I
think
maybe
this
picture
would
look
better
here
and
you
need
to
move
this
here.
There's
no
money
transpired,
it's
just
verbal
talk.
Would
that
be
considered
something
we
would
have
to
file
on
the
disclosure
as
an
in-kind
contribution
chairman
Whitson.
J
That
is
again
not
the
intent
of
this
legislation,
but
I
would
like
to
again
go
back
to
make
sure
we
did
not
and
I
appreciate
this
discussion.
These
are
some
of
the
questions
that
we
and
probably
did
not
anticipate,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
it
before
we
leave
here
out
of
this
committee
today,
but
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
those
activities
and
connections
are
not
burdensome
and-
and
we
really
are,
what
we're
looking
at
is
those
who
contract
or
receive
fees
to
provide
campaign
services.
J
A
B
C
B
Correct
I
think
the
the
intent
is
not
to
prohibit
the
activity
of
of
engaging
in
campaign
services,
but
by
providing
mailers
or
advertisements
or
what
or
or
Flyers
it's
just
to
require.
The
disclosure
of
this
information
in
a
similar
manner
that
they
do
consulting
services,
that
other
executive
officials
and
so
forth
can't
engage
in.
A
E
B
Yeah,
it
depends
an
in-kind
contribution
is,
is
the
transfer
of
something
of
value?
That's
not
monetary.
So
if
you,
for
instance,
were
a
professional
consultant
and
you
gave
some
political
advice
in
Your
Capacity
as
a
professional
consultant
I
think
you
have
to
disclose
that
already
under
existing
laws
of
in-kind
contribution
and
I.
Don't
think
this
bill
changes
that.
E
It
does
to
an
extent
I
guess
the
the
follow-up
with
that
would
be.
If
this
happens
between
two
general
assembly
members
say
me
and
the
example
I'll
give
earlier
as
representative
holtzclaw
he's.
Not
he
you
know
he's
not
a
professional
consultant
I'm,
not
a
professional
consultant,
although
I
own,
a
printing
company,
would
that
would
would
we
both
have
to
report
that,
on
our
disclosures.
B
I
I
No
sir,
it
just
could
be
any
time
of
the
year.
It
might
be
the
kovi
at
19,
then
maybe
they're,
trying
to
get
some
information
out
about
what
you
should
do,
where
you
should
go
to
get
vaccines
and
all
those
type
things.
How
would
that
of
this
Bill
affect
me
doing
business
with
the
state,
as
such
chairman.
J
I
J
Not
if
it's
different
entities
like
that,
if,
if
it's
paid
to
those
radio
stations,
what
we're
intent
of
this
legislation
is
those
who
have
a
business
and
they
receive
compensation
from
vendors
and
such
or
they
provide
services,
they're
paid
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
or
more.
They
have
to
list
just
the
the
vendor
that
they
receive
that
money
from
they
don't
have
to
list
the
amount.
A
J
Not
for
legal
while
we're
out
of
session
okay,
chairman
Crawford,
one
question,
I
asked
and
I
was
assured.
It
did
not
have
to
be
done,
let's
say,
for
instance,
a
candidate
I
myself,
I
have
a
local
printer
and
I
go
to
him.
He
prints
my
mailers
that
printer
is
not
required
to
provide
a
disclosure
report
on
that,
be
hiring
him
to
do
my
mailer,
since
it's
well.
A
A
J
J
Okay,
let
me
read
it:
okay,
Mr
chairman:
if
I
could
registry
members
must
not
serve
for
one
year
after
the
removal
vacancy
a
termination
of
the
term
of
the
office
as
a
state
or
local
elected
office,
employee
of
any
political
subdivision
of
the
state
officer
of
any
officer
of
any
political
party
or
PAC,
make
campaign
contributions,
participate
in
the
election
campaign
Lobby
or
be
employed
as
a
lobbyist
and
be
employed
by
any
elected
office
holder?
So
I
could
not
come
and
work
for
you,
chairman
Rudd,
when
I
leave
for
one
year
all
right.
A
A
A
They
don't
want
to
express
that
or
disclose
that,
because
that
lets
their
competitors
know
what
Milhouse
and
what
printer
they're
using
and
as
long
as
it's
reported
that
so
that
kind
of
breaks
that
possibility
of
confidentiality,
because
the
subcontractors
of
a
consultant
don't
want
to
be
known,
and
the
consultant
doesn't
want
other
Consultants
to
know
who
they're
using
so
I
was
wondering
about.
How
far
does
it?
This
have
to
go.
J
B
Thank
you,
Matt
Monday
families,
I
think
what
you're
referring
to
is.
If
you
didn't
have
a
non-disclosure
agreement,
that's
recognized
by
law,
then
you
would
have
to
disclose.
But
if
you
have
an
NDA
in
place,
then
I
don't
think
that
you
would
have
to
just
with
respect
to
an
attorney-client
privilege.
Those
rules
were
governed
by
our
rules
of
professional
responsibility.
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
disclose
my
clientele.
Unless
and
until
you
know,
some
document
was
made
public
like
filing
a
complaint
or
something
like
that.
B
A
Intent
of
the
bill
right
now
without
a
confidentiality
is
that
if
a
consultant
is
helping
a
candidate-
and
they
of
course,
is
almost
all
Consultants
do
unless
they
actually
own
a
print
shop,
they
use
other
vendors
to
supply
the
services
to
the
candidate.
The
candidates
paying
the
consultant
the
candidate
in
most
cases,
don't
even
know
who
the
vendors
are
right.
Now
that
would
have
to
be
without
a
confidentiality
agreement
that
would
have
to
be
disclosed,
wouldn't
it
either
by
the
consultant
or
the
candidate
I.
B
What
we're
talking
about
when
we
talk
about
confidential
relationships
is
under
the
new
subdivision
in
850
502
dealing
with
private
sources
of
income
in
excess
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
So
if
that's
a,
if
that's
a
payment
for,
if
there's
a
you
know
a
consultant
that
you,
if
you
can,
if
you
provide
services
or
receive
Services
I'm,
sorry
in
excess
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
in
that
capacity,
then
you'd
have
to
disclose
it.
Unless
you
had
a
confidentiality
agreement
in
place.
Okay,.
A
F
Thank
you
I
think,
chairman
Whitson.
If,
if
I'm
not
correct
the
the
purpose
of
the
disclosure,
we
we
have
two
things,
we
have
a
campaign
Finance
report,
we
have
an
Ethics
statement
in
the
ethics
statement.
We
report
who
we
do
business
with
in
excess
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
The
purpose
of
that
is
to
allow
people
to
know
where
our
conflicts
of
interests
are,
which
is
exactly
what
that
statement
is
for
this
bill
would
further
clarify
what
needs
to
be
put
on
a
conflict
of
interest
statement.
F
If
it's
an
in-kind
contribution
by
the
nature
of
it
being
in
kind,
it
would
be
less
than
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
Therefore,
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
reported
in
the
instance
of
you
doing
business
with
somebody
who's.
A
fellow
member
you
as
a
member,
would
have
to
disclose
on
your
campaign
Finance
report
who
you
spent
the
money
towards
and
that
it
was
a
member.
F
If
the
member
receives
those
funds
from
you,
they
would
have
to
report
it
on
their
ethics
statement
because
they
received
it
there,
and
so
all
this
bill
does
is
create
a
level
of
transparency
that
allows
us
to
better
understand
that
I
also
think
one
of
the
components
of
this
bill
and
I've
graciously
and
excitedly
filled
out
campaign.
Finance
reports
for
40
of
them,
I
guess
now:
I
have
never
taken
a
dollar
that
I
could
not
itemize
and
I.
F
Think
the
removal
of
the
hundred
dollar
or
less
unotomized
receipts
is
a
very
important
part
of
this
bill.
I
think
it's
important
if,
if
one
of
my
contributors
didn't
want
their
name
on
my
Kingpin
campaign,
Finance
report
I
didn't
take
their
money
and
so
I
think
that's
really
important
part
of
this
and
and
I
support
it,
but
I
wanted
I
thought
it
was
important
that
we'd
communicate
the
bifurcation
between
a
campaign,
Finance
report
and
an
Ethics
statement
and
how
each
would
be
reported.
Thank
you.
J
A
Well,
I
think:
there's
there's
one
thing
to
distinguish
here
that
we
don't
currently
have
to
do
and
we're
we're
bringing
people
into
the
system
that
aren't
now
which
is
Consultants.
We
currently
list
a
consultant
or
printing
company
or
whoever
is
managing
our
campaign
or
whatever
we
list
them
on
candidate
disclosures,
but
they
don't
have
to
fill
out
disclosures
now
they
will
have
to
under
years
like
say
a
pack
would
so
we're
bringing
people
into
having
to
report
to
the
registry
that
don't
currently
have
to
report
and
the
things
they
have
to
report
aren't
things.
A
A
Well,
luckily,
it
does
this.
Most
of
this
would
not
even
apply
to
me
no
I've
I
used
to
can
do
a
lot
of
Consulting
work
because
I've
never
done
work
for
the
caucus
or
or
for
the
state
since
I've
been
a
state
rep
and
matter
of
fact.
The
only
time
I've
ever
done.
Work
for
the
state
of
Tennessee
is
about
25
years
ago,
I
prepared
literature
for
the
20,
the
75th
Anniversary
for
women's
suffrage
and
outside
of
that
I've
never
done
Consulting
work
for
the
state
or
the
caucus.
J
A
Well,
I
I
do
very
little
where
I
used
to
do
17
races
in
a
year
before
I
got
elected
I,
don't
do
hardly
any
now
unless
I'm
helping
somebody
get
reelected
or
a
local
race.
I.
Just
don't
do
much
anymore,
because
I'm
up
here,
you
make
you
make
people
mad
by
representing
one
side
of
your
home,
District
or
County.
So
it's
best
to
kind
of
stay
out
of
it
as
best
you
can.
Unless
a
close
friends
running
Let's
see
we
have
chairman
chairman
Wright
still
want
to
speak.
A
J
A
Pictures-
let's
see
now
we
have
thank
you,
chairman
Whitson.
Thank
you
also,
thank
you
as
I
said
earlier,
thank
you
for
waiting
and
granting
the
other
members
to
go
before
you.
Let's
see
we
have,
and
this
is
going
to
be
somewhat
complicated
but
I
believe
we're
done.
We
are,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
we're
now
done
with
a
regular
calendar.
The
final
calendar
we
are
done
with
the
final
counter.
We
have
a
special
calendar.
A
We've
got
to
deal
with
next,
but
we
are
done
with
a
final
calendar
of
this
year
and
until
the
call
of
the
chair
any
objections,
all
those
we
are
adjourned
on
the
regular.
Now
we
have
a
special
calendar
to
address.
We
have
three
bills
on
that
special
calendar.
The
first
is
HB
11
57
by
Stuart,
and
he
had
requested
that
be
taken
off
notice,
but
due
to
the
rules
it
had
to
go
to
special
calendar.
Is
there
any
objections
to
sending
that
to
the
clerk's
desk,
no
objections?
A
We
are
sending
HB
1157
to
the
clerk's
death.
Next
up
is
HB
1486
by
representative
towns.
He
patiently
waited
for
about
45
minutes.
We
will
row
that
to
the
hill
of
this
calendar-
okay,
he
is,
he
is.
He
is
already
in
another
committee
meeting,
said
to
roll
that
to
the
clerk's
desk.
Has
any
objections.
After
seeing
none,
HB
1486
will
be
road
to
the
clerk's
desk.
Next
up
will
be
HB
1158
by
representative
Stewart.
He
also
had
to
requested
that
to
be
sent
to
the
clerk's
desk.
A
Is
there
any
objection
to
that?
Seeing
none
HB
1158
by
Stewart
is
sent
to
the
clerk's
test,
and
that
concludes
our
special
calendar.
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
for
everybody.
Serving
none
of
us
knows
what
the
future
holds,
but
this
has
been
a
pleasure
and
all
of
you
have
been
a
pleasure
and
I've
enjoyed
serving
as
elections
and
campaign.
Finance
subcommittee,
chair
and
God
bless
and
God
speak
to
all
of
you
and
I
will
be
seeing
you
in
the
near
future.
Thank
you.