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From YouTube: House Elections & Campaign Finance Subcommittee - March 9, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
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House Elections & Campaign Finance Subcommittee - March 9, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
A
Thank
you,
let's
see,
are
there
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
from
members
seeing
none?
Today
we
have
14
bills
on
the
calendar.
A
few
have
been
rolled
we'll
get
to
those
as
we
we
come.
First
up
is
item
number
one
hb
2675
by
leader
lamberth.
C
A
A
And
next
up
is
item
number
two
hb
2280
by
powell
is
airman
powell.
Here,
oh
yeah,
I
was
looking
at
all
these
for
you
I'm
easy
to
disappear.
Let's
see,
do
you
see
you
don't
have
any
amendments
or
anything
when
you
build
ian?
No,
I
do
not
all
right.
Please
tell
us
about
your
bill
sure,
oh,
I
have
our
emotion
on
a
second
motion.
Second,
please
tell
us
about
your
bill.
E
Sure
so
this
house
bill
would
allow
candidates
running
for
state
or
local
office
to
use
their
campaign
funds
to
pay
for
campaign-related
child
care
or
dependent
care
expenses.
The
federal
election
commission
ruled
in
2018
and
afford
a
bipartisan
ruling
that
candidates
running
for
congress
or
federal
office
could
use
their
campaign
funds
for
child
care
expenses.
E
A
F
G
A
A
I
do
not
see
him.
We
will
row
that
to
the
hill
hb
2305
by
griffey.
He
is
not
present,
we'll
roll
that
to
the
hill
number
five
item
number
2011
by
representative
cassada.
A
I
say
I
believe
you
have
an
amendment.
I
do.
A
Emotion,
motion
and
second,
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second:
what
what
is
your
code
on
your
amendment,
zero.
A
Second,
I
have
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment
I
believe,
tell
us
about
your
amendment.
D
This
amendment
makes
the
bill
that
creates
a
process
so
that
a
citizen
of
the
state
can
file
a
complaint
against
a
county
election.
Commissioner,
the
simple
process
is
the
complaint
is
filed.
The
the
chair
has
of
the
state
election
commission
has
10
days
notice
of
the
meeting.
The
evidence
is
presented
by
both
sides
and
the
state
election
commission
determines
if
action
is
needed.
A
A
Any
questions
on
the
bill,
mr
representative,
shaw,.
G
G
They
just
think
it
really
put
them
in
a
bad
way,
because
that's
during
the
election
there's
so
many
attitudes
and
and
different
opinions
about
things,
and
sometimes
people
just
get
mad
when
there's
no
cause
to
get
mad,
and
they
just
feel
like
they've,
been
put
on
on
a
hot
seat
for
something
that
maybe
they
shouldn't
do.
I
guess
what
I
want
to
ask
you.
Have
we
had
anything
like
this
to
happen
in
tennessee,
where
people
needed
to
be
sued.
D
D
Well,
this
would
not
address
being
sued,
it
just
simply
addresses
being
removed
from
the
board
and
we've
had
some
occasions
where
the
legislator
had
to
step
in,
and
I
don't
need
to
give
specifics
because
it
might
shine
light
on
on
people
yeah,
but
there
were
times
you
know.
As
you
know,
this
committee
knows
we
appoint
those
counting,
and
there
has
been
a
couple
of
occasions
where
the
legislator
pointed
and
said
look.
This
is
unbecoming
behavior,
you
need
to
step
down
and
they
comply,
but
I
just
don't.
I
am
of
the
opinion.
D
D
G
D
Sure,
if
I
could
just
say
I
this
is,
this
is
an
uncomfortable
bill,
because
those
people
that
I've
appointed
they're
my
friends,
but
I
just
don't
think
it's
our
responsibility
to
be
supervising
that
and
and
number
two
and
most
importantly,
it
just
opens
up
a
process
for
the
citizens
to
have
their
input
and
not
just
us.
So
that's
that's!
The
purpose
of
the
bill.
I
Thank
you,
chairman
representative
casada.
I
I
appreciate
the
intent
of
this
bill.
I
actually
had
a
problem
in
my
election
commission
in
my
district,
but
there's
already
a
policy
procedure
in
place
where
they
petitioned
through
the
election
administrator
to
elect
minister
of
the
administration,
the
director
of
elections
mark
owens.
I
had
an
issue
there.
My
concern
about
your
bill
is
that
it
would
create
a
second
pathway
which
lead
to
further
confusion.
I
recognize
you
may
have
a
problem
there,
but
and
we
do
appoint
these
people,
but
the
system
current
system
in
putnam
county
works.
I
It's
unfortunate
that
we,
we
occasionally
have
to
go
through
the
situation,
but
I
recognize
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
I
think
it's
good,
but
I
won't
be
supporting
your
bill.
Thank
you.
A
We
are
on
the
amendment
now,
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
in
the
amendment
on
the
bill.
We
are
voting
on
amendment
14
970.,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
opposed
amendments
on
the
bill.
Is
there
any
further
questions
on
the
bill
as
amended,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
the
bill.
D
A
I
understand
that
any
any
objections
to
voting
to
take
up
the
untimely
filed
amendment,
seeing
none
we're
voting
to
take
up
what
is
the
amendment
code?
Is
it
12884.
A
Yes,
all
those
in
favor
of
voting
to
take
up
the
untimely
filed
amendment
say
aye
opposed
nay.
We
can
take
up
the
amendment
now
we're
on
the
amendment.
You
want
to
tell
us
about
your
amendment.
Yes,.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
committee.
So
the
amendment
does
make
the
bill,
and
I
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
this
bill.
This
bill
will
require
the
county
election
officers
in
the
election
division
to
suspend
the
voting
rights
of
people
who
are
convicted
of
felonies
for
for
the
duration
of
their
sentences
until
they
are
eligible
to
re-register
to
vote.
Currently
a
person
with
a
past
felony
conviction
who
meets
certain
criteria
is
eligible
to
restore
his
or
her
rights
to
vote.
J
However,
a
person
may
not
register
to
vote
until
they
obtained
from
a
supervising
or
incarcerating
authority
a
certificate
of
restoration,
verifying
that
they
meet
those
criteria
once
the
certificate
is
contained.
We'll
call
it
the
cr
certificate
of
restore
restoration.
The
cor
is
submitted
to
the
elections,
division
which
again
verifies
the
individual
individual
meets
this
criteria,
so
why
this
bill
is
needed.
J
Tennessee
is
one
of
only
three
states
that
require
people
who
are
statutorily
eligible
to
restore
their
rights.
To
vote,
to
obtain
additional
paperwork
to
register
to
vote,
the
certificates
of
restoration
serve
no
function,
no
functional
purpose,
except
as
a
barrier
to
disinfranchise
people
under
the
law.
A
person
cannot
receive
a
cor
unless
they
have
met
certain
eligibility
criteria.
The
election
division
already
verifies
that
anyone
who
submits
a
cr
meet
to
those
criteria
so
in
essence,
cors
make
for
redundant
bureaucracy
and
it
wastes
taxpayers
money.
J
J
This
bill
allows
voting
rights,
restoration
for
individuals
who
have
completed
their
sentences
and
are
back
in
their
communities
under
the
current
law
under
the
current
law.
If
an
individual
is
determined
to
be
eligible,
there
is
a
multi-step
process
that
must
be
completed
to
regain
their
votes
just
quickly.
These
are
the
quick
flow
chart
of
what
someone
has
to
go
to
to
get
their
work
rights
restored.
J
Then
this
is
just
if
it's
in
one
county.
So
if
you
move
from
one
county
to
another,
you
have
to
complete
this
process
all
over
again,
so
between
2016
and
2020.
Only
about
roughly
about
3
400
individuals
were
able
to
get
their
rights
restored.
So
that's
less
than
one
percent
of
individuals
who
have
completed
their
sentence.
I
think
we
can
do
better
than
this.
J
Over
the
past
few
decades,
there's
been
a
trend
towards
restoring
the
voting
rights
for
those
who
have
been
disenfranchised
and
the
momentum
continues
to
grow.
35
states
in
washington
d.c
have
expanded
voting
rights
to
citizens
with
felony
convictions.
On
their
record,
two
states
have
no
voting
restrictions,
which
means
that
incarcerated
individuals
can
absentee
vote,
while
in
prison.
J
21
states
allow
automatic
restoration
when
released
from
prison.
14
allow
states,
14
states
allow
restoration,
after
completion
of
their
sentences
and
probation.
Only
11
states
have
permanent
prohibitions
on
voting
rights.
Tennessee
is
one
of
them.
In
addition,
tennessee
is
the
only
one
of
three
states
that
require
certificates
of
restoration
governors
in
virginia
iowa,
kentucky
issued
executive
orders
restoring
voting
rights
to
individuals
upon
completing
their
completion
of
their
sentence.
J
J
J
This
organization
is
an
international
professional
association
association
with
members
throughout
united
states,
canada
and
other
countries
who
work
in
probation,
parole
and
community-based
corrections.
These
professionals
supervise
more
than
5
million
adults
across
the
nation
and
know
firsthand
the
challenges
faced
by
those
reentering
society
after
incarceration.
J
This
organization
strongly
believes
that
bringing
people
with
past
convictions
into
poll
into
the
political
process
is
an
important
part
of
rehabilitation
and
successful
reintegration
into
society.
Continuing
to
bar
people
from
the
polls,
brands
them
as
an
outsider
and
prevent
full
participation
in
their
communities
and
hinders
re-entry
efforts.
J
Participation
in
the
voting
process
affirms
an
individual's
value
to
the
political
process
and
strengthens
public
safety.
It
encourages
participation
in
civic
life
and
deepens
community
connections.
We
all,
if
we
all
believe
in
truth
and
sentencing,
then
we
should
believe
when
someone
pays
the
full
judicial
price,
their
dignity
and
voice
should
be
restored.
J
A
Need
to
take
a
couple
of
technical
issues
up
first,
we
have
the
we.
We
voted
to
hear
the
amendment,
but
I
need
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
amendment
that
we
just
heard
your
emotion.
Second,
on
the
amendment
we
need
to
attach
the
amendment.
If
there's
no
further
questions
on
the
amendment,
we'll
attach
the
amendment
to
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed
a
bill.
A
10
amendments
attached
to
the
bill.
Let's
see,
do
you
want,
you
want
to
call
up
the
testimony.
We
have
guests
we'll
go
out
of
session
here
we
have
one
organization
with
four
four
speakers.
If
you'll
come
up,
we
have
three
seats
and,
if
necessary,
we'll
make
make
way.
We're
out
obsession
to
hear,
hear
speakers
and
please
introduce
yourself
there's
a
button
on
the
just
make
sure
the
red
lights
on
the
button
on
the
main
button.
I
believe
it's
on
the
left,
if
it's
lit
you're
active.
A
And
then,
when
one
of
you
is
finished,
if
the,
if
the
fourth
person
wants
to
speak,
you
can
trade
places
or
they
can
speak
from
the
podium
all
right
go
ahead.
All.
K
K
I've
never
voted
and
unless
the
law
changes
or
I
move
away
from
my
home
state,
I
never
will
and
so
to
me
it
sends
the
message
that
no
matter
how
I've
grown
or
how
I
work
to
better
my
community,
I'm
forever
unworthy
to
be
represented
or
to
have
a
voice.
In
my
own
governance.
I'm
sorry.
K
That
rejection
is
something
that
you
carry
with
you,
it's
a
it's
a
feeling
of
otherness
and
at
one
time
the
stigma
that
I
encountered.
You
know
trying
to
find
work
and,
and
that
feeling
it
feel
depression
and
substance
use
and
the
policy
of
disenfranchisement
alienates
the
people
that
we
should
be
trying
to
reintegrate
making
counterproductive,
making
it
counterproductive
to
public
safety
connection
is
how
we
mitigate
crime.
K
That's
how
people
and
communities
recover
by
bringing
folks
back
into
the
light.
When
we're
connected
we're
accountable,
we
want
to
be
redeemed
in
the
eyes
of
others.
Civic
participation
helps
us
feel
invested
in
our
communities
and
gets
our
buy-in
on
this
social
contract.
That
we're
expected
to
abide
by
punishment
alone
doesn't
restore
or
offer
a
path
to
redemption,
and
redemption
should
be
a
possibility
for
all,
and
that's
why
tennessee
needs
a
restoration
process.
That's
streamlined
and
fair,
and
I
think
this
build
achieves
that.
K
L
Thank
you.
My
name
is
blair
bowie,
I'm
senior
legal
counsel
at
campaign
legal
center.
Thank
you,
chair
broad,
and
the
committee
for
having
me
today.
Over
450,
000
tennesseans
are
unable
to
vote
under
the
current
law.
More
than
80
365
000
of
those
people
have
finished
their
entire
sentences,
including
probation
and
parole,
meaning
that
in
40
other
states
they
would
already
be
able
to
vote,
but
in
tennessee
less
than
one
percent
of
that
post-sentence
population
has
been
able
to
get
their
voting
rights
restored.
L
One
major
reason
for
this
is
that
tennessee
is
one
of
only
six
states
that
conditions
the
right
to
vote
on
the
payment
of
legal
debts.
This
bill
would
put
an
end
to
that,
and
let
me
be
clear:
this
bill
does
not
impact
a
person's
legal
obligation
to
pay
restitution,
court
costs
or
even
child
support.
L
It
simply
decouples
those
debts
from
the
right
to
vote,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because,
under
the
current
law,
a
rich
person
and
a
poor
person
could
be
convicted
of
exactly
the
same
crime,
given
exactly
the
same
sentence,
but
the
poor
person
would
be
disenfranchised
indefinitely,
while
the
rich
person
could
simply
buy
their
right
to
vote
back.
That's
not
how
democracy
is
supposed
to
work,
whether
or
not
we
can
vote
should
not
be
determined
by
the
size
of
our
bank
accounts.
L
L
The
other
reason
why
99
percent
of
tennesseans
who
have
finished
their
sentences
still
cannot
vote
is
the
redundant
bureaucratic
requirement
that
a
person
obtain
a
certificate
of
restoration.
The
certificate
is
unnecessary.
47
states
and
the
district
of
columbia
have
figured
out
how
to
verify
their
citizens
eligibility
after
a
felony
without
a
certificate.
Why
can't
tennessee?
L
L
In
fact,
eight
percent
of
certificates
submitted
are
ultimately
rejected
because
the
applicant
is
not
actually
eligible.
Miss
pamela,
moses
standing
at
the
podium
right
now
was
recently
sentenced
to
six
years
and
one
day
in
state
prison,
because
a
probation
officer
negligently
made
an
error
on
her
certificate.
L
It's
already
the
job
of
elections
official
to
independently
verify
that
every
person
on
the
voter
rolls
is
eligible
to
be
there,
and
I
think
we
can
agree
that.
That's
how
it
should
be,
and
that's
true
under
both
state
and
federal
law.
The
certificate
does
nothing
except
waste
taxpayer
money
and
stand
as
a
barrier
to
the
ballot
box.
So
I
encourage
you
to
pass
hb
0561
to
decouple
legal
debts
from
the
right
to
vote
and
eliminate
unnecessary
certificates
of
restoration.
Thank
you.
H
H
H
H
I
became
a
target
due
to
my
criticism
of
public
sorry,
corrupt
public
officials.
Despite
my
innocence,
I
was
held
on
a
half
a
million
dollar
bond
and
falsely
imprisoned
for
comments
on
facebook.
I
was
accused
of
stalking
a
judge,
my
unexpunged
crimes,
as
a
teenager,
like
her
allowed
the
d.a
to
paint
me
as
a
dangerous
person.
I
can't
tell
you
every
detail
of
my
life,
but
I
can
tell
you
my
brother
is
not
the
governor
and
my
family
doesn't
have
any
billionaires.
H
When
I
reflected
on
governor
haslam's
speech
during
my
inauguration,
he
said
we,
the
class
of
2000
at
ut
could
be
anything
we
wanted
to
be,
but
I
now
know
he
wasn't
talking
about
me
or
people
like
me,
12
years
well,
his
the
flying
j
president
received
12
years
in
prison,
and
I'm
only
mentioning
this
to
you,
a
body
that
doesn't
look.
Anything
like
me
that
I
want
to
show
a
parallel
between
socioeconomic
and
race.
H
M
Good
evening
my
name
is
keita
haynes,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
having
this
opportunity
to
speak
before
you.
I
am
the
voting
rights
campaign
strategist
at
the
sentencing
project
and
the
sentencing
project
is
a
national
research
and
advocacy
organization.
That's
based
in
washington
d.c.
For
years,
the
sentencing
project
has
worked
on
voting
rights
issues
and
generated
national
reports
with
state
level
estimates
on
individuals
that
are
impacted
by
felony
disenfranchisement.
M
Not
only
am
I
the
voting
rights
campaign
strategist
at
the
sentencing
project,
but
I
am
also
a
former
public
defender
from
here
in
nashville
and
for
years
I
have
engaged
in
various
aspects
of
criminal
justice
reform,
including
mass
incarceration
collateral
consequences
and
voting
rights,
restoration,
like
so
many
others
in
this
state.
I
too
have
been
disenfranchised
because
of
a
felony
conviction.
That's
on
my
record.
Sharing
these
lived
experiences
with
those
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
fight
and
do
the
work
that
I
do
today.
M
A
Seeing
no
no
hands,
I
want
to.
Thank
you.
You,
ladies
for
testifying,
we'll
get
back
on
the
bill,
but
thank
you
very
much.
We'll
go
back
into
session,
we're
now
back
on
the
amended
bill.
I
have
any
any
any
questions.
J
I
think
it
is
a.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
sir,
it
is
a
component
of
that
restitution
is
definitely
a
component,
but
I
think
that
we
should
look
at
that
and
take
it
in
context,
and
I
think
it's
also
a
civil
matter
too.
Sometimes
we
go,
we
look
at
the
restitution
and
they
try
to
pay
it
back.
The
system
is
so
convoluted,
they
don't
know
who
should
receive
the
cons
who
should
receive
the
restitution?
I
Chairman
williams,
thank
you.
That's
my
concern
about
this.
I,
the
the
courts
adjudicate
based
upon
convictions
and
they
the
court
orders
restitution
as
a
part
of
that,
and
and
there's
no
question
that
these
ladies
that
testified
here
today
have
paid
their
their
responsibilities
as
it
relates
to
their
jail
time.
But
we
can
look
in
at
the
data
and
look
at
the
restoration
of
their
voting
rights.
I
But
the
vast
majority
of
those
who
haven't
had
them
restored
have
not
fulfilled
the
the
entirety
of
their
sentence,
which
includes
restitution
as
much
as
I
understand
that
the
former
governor
and
the
ability
to
pay
that
is
part
of
of
that
conviction
and
so
to
to
ignore
that
for
the
the
body
to
ignore,
that
is
to
water
down
the
law,
and
so
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
that.
But
I
I
don't
want
to
be
the
only
one
to
ask
questions,
but
that's
something
in
the
back
of
my
mind
as
it
relates
to
restitution.
A
Any
other
questions,
if,
if
not
I
have,
I
have,
I
have
a
friend,
that's
a
a
business
owner
and
and
he
lives
in
my
county
and
he
was
convicted
of
a
white
non-violent
what-color
crime.
He
lost
his
gun
rights
and
he
lost
his
right
to
vote.
He
can't
even
protect
himself
at
his
business
now,
so
I've
always
felt
that
if
you've
committed
a
crime
and
you've
paid
your
dues
and
you've
been
paroled
and
you've
been
released
and
you've
met
all
the
court,
fines
and
restoration.
A
A
Also,
I
had
a
question
you
might
be
able
to
answer,
or
maybe
you
could
get
an
answer
is
over
the
years
we
have
made
certain
offenses,
whether
that
be
a
violent
child,
molestation
or
a
rape
or
something
we
have
made
certain
offenses
carry
harsher
punishments
than
other
felony
crimes.
Would
this
apply
to
all
of
them,
or
did
it
erase
any
of
that
or
do
any
any
change?
Any
of
that,
because
there
was
different,
there's,
always
somebody
bringing
a
bill.
We
just
voted
on
one
the
other
day
last
week.
J
No,
it
won't
be,
it
won't
be
erased
actually
right
now,
if
you
go
to
the
election
division
website
and
you'll
see,
there
are
certain
stuff,
that's
in
statute
right
now
that
if
you
are
convicted
of
any
of
those
crimes,
you're
not
you're,
never
eligible
for
them
and
those
are
murder
rate
treason,
felony,
bribery,
misconduct
involving
a
public
official
interference
with
government
operations,
sexual
offenses,
violent
sexual
offenses
that
involve
that
are
felonies
where
the
victim
was
a
minor
and
voter
fraud.
J
J
In
addition
to
what's
going
on
it-
and
I
showed
you
the
the
flow
chart,
it
also
depends
on
when
you
were
when
you
were
convicted.
If
you
were
convicted
before
1973
there's
a
different
statute
for
if
you're
addicted,
I
mean
convicted
between
73
and
81,
there's
a
difference
if
you
were
convicted
after
2006.
J
So
the
way
in
order
to
get
your
rights
restored
is
so
convoluted
and
so
complex
that
the
average
person
can't
do
it.
That's
why
we
have
a
one
percent
rate
of
people
who
actually
successfully
do
this,
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
helping
get
people
back.
Integrating
the
society
and
helping
feed
democracy.
A
All
right,
if
I
asked
this,
I
asked
the
legal,
a
question.
Then
he
answered
me
back
and
I'm
not
a
lawyer.
So
it's
always
hard
to
me
to
understand
a
lawyer,
but
the
code
you
mentioned
what
had
been
removed.
That's
in
code
would
that
be
removed.
The
codes
that
you
mentioned
earlier,
I
guess
it's.
What
29
204
persons
never
eligible
for
register
and
vote?
J
A
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Josh
she's
from
legal
services,
so
section
nine
of
the
bill
deletes
sections
49-29-203
through
40-29-205
and
29-40-29-204.
N
A
Any
further
questions,
let
me
rep
representative
shaw.
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Maybe
my
question
has
been
answered,
but
I
I
think
I'm
getting
this
because
I
got
a
piece
of
legislation.
That's
probably
the
cousin
of
the
uncle
of
this.
Whatever
are
your
intentions
must
leader,
if
I
could.
G
G
If
that
makes
good
sense,
I
don't
know
if
it
does
or
not.
For
instance,
if
you,
if
you
committed
a
a
crime,
another
crime
may
not
mirror
that
one
in
a
way
that
the
code
is
the
same,
and
because
of
that,
the
codes
are
so
different.
It's
hard
to
do
a
blanket,
but
it
could
be
done
maybe
on
individual
basis
based
upon
whatever
your
crime
or
your
sentence
was
I'm
not
for
sure,
because
I'm
I'm
not
a
lawyer
either.
G
So
I
probably
don't
know
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
I
think
maybe
that
that's
where
the
bump
in
the
road
is,
is
that
you're
trying
to
do
a
blanket
when
it
can
only
be
done
on
an
individual
basis?
Now
I
know
that
takes
longer
that's
a
long,
drawn-out
process,
and
I'm
not
saying
I
totally
agree
with
the
law
on
that,
but
I'm
just
kind
of
explaining
to
you
what
was
explained
to
me.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
that's
exactly
what
what
you
intended
to
do
or
not.
J
The
goal
is
to
make
the
process
less
cumbersome
for
someone
to
get
there
to
register,
to
vote
and
be
able
to
vote
right
now.
As
I
showed
you,
it
was
two
pages
of
a
flow
chart
in
order
for
someone
to
get
their
rights
restored,
and
then
it
depends
on
the
timing
of
when
you
were
convicted.
So
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
G
They
wouldn't
talk,
nobody,
no
lawyers,
anybody
told
them
what
they
should
do.
They
could
have
got
diversion,
didn't
get
it
just
all
kinds
of
things
that
people
got
paid
for
hell
in
people's
cases
and
didn't
do
well.
So
I
just
think
that
that
should
be
some
kind
of
process
and
I'm
not
for
sure
if
I
know
what
it
is,
but
I
sure
would
like
to
be
a
part
of
trying
to
figure
that
out
because
we
do
have
a
problem.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
agree
with
my
colleague
the
honorable
shaw
and
that
we
do
need
a
process,
but
there's
two
or
three
places
that
I
got
lost
in
the
presentation
of
one
presenter
saying.
If
we
passed
this,
it
would
allow
the
person
to
regain
rights
for
which
they
have
no
path
right
now
I
agree
there.
F
F
F
Maybe
we
need
several
individual
bills,
so
we
can
thrash
out
just
one
point
at
a
time,
but
as
we
have
before
us,
I
think
a
big
bill.
There
are
too
many
questions
in
it
for
me,
and
I
appreciate
your
presentation.
Thank
you.
O
J
O
Is
it
your
belief
that
if
a
person
is
given
the
right
to
vote-
and
I
heard
one
of
the
presenters
speak
to
this
point-
that
even
their
spirits
lifted
and
they
may
find
themselves
more
willing
to
engage
the
process?
And
there
is
no
connection
between
people
being
withheld
the
right
to
vote
and
restitution
correct.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
sponsor
there's
a
lot
of
questions
about
this
bill
and
there's
no
question
that
we
we
need
to
make
some
adjustments
and
and
fix
a
few
things
in
the
law
but
they're.
You
know
with
the
untimely
filed
amendment
and
trying
to
chase
it
down
through
the
regular
bill,
what
it
changes
and
what
it
don't.
I
mean
you
haven't
given
us
enough
time
to
to
figure
that
out
so.
F
J
I
appreciate
you,
your
candidness,
I
don't
mind
rolling
to
the
week
because
I
do
have
an.
I
didn't
see
that
code
that
you
got
from
legal,
and
that
was
not
my
intention.
It
would
give
me
time
to
fix
it,
and
also
that
would
give
me
some
time
to
hopefully
work
with
you
and
address
any
issues
that
you
may
have
and
that
we
can
try
to
actually
do
something
that
really
works
at
least
start
the
framework
of
something
that
really
works
and
that
helps
tennesseans
get
back
in
being
a
part
of
being
a
productive
society.
I
Williams,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
was
gonna
make
a
similar
suggestion,
mainly
because
you
seemed
surprised
when
legal
gave
you
the
information
about
all
the
ability
to
get
restitute
or
restored
rights.
I
I
don't
want
to
defraud
you,
though,
when
you
leave
and
come
back
and
try
to
fix
that
issue,
I'm
still
I
I'm
still
going
to
have
an
issue
with
rest
restitution.
I
It's
a
there
when
we
commit
when
people
commit
crimes.
They're
victims,
victims
are
due
every
portion,
that
of
the
crime
that
was
done
regardless
of
age,
and
so
restitution
is
a
really
important
part.
If
restitution
is
not
a
component
of
of
restoring
your
voting
rights,
then
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
support.
It
then
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
heads
up
as
you
look
at
the
new
draft
language
as
sponsor.
J
Like
I
said
there,
there's
35
states
that
have
passed
this
legislation
and
several
of
them
take
out.
They
don't
even
consider
restitution
in
there,
and
I
think
it's
proven
that
in
those
states
it's
helping
people
get
back
to
be
productive
in
society.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
still
roll
it
a
week.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
answer
some
of
those
questions.
J
Let
me
do
what
we
can
and
if
we
can't
and
if
there
is
an
earnest
ability
in
our
earnest
statement
to
actually
study
this,
then
at
that
time
I
would
consider
it,
but
we
have
to
be
able
to
study
this,
because
this
is
too
important
to
too
many
people
to
send
it
to
summer
study
and
feel
the
cold
wind
blowing
and
let
it
die.
This
is
something
that
can
be
meaningful
that
can
help
everyone,
and
I
guarantee
you
someone
in
all
of
our
districts
and
sometimes
in
our
family.
A
G
G
I
hate
to
say
that,
but
you're
not
you
might
have
two
votes
over
here,
but
you
don't
you
don't
have
enough
folks
to
get
it
passed.
I'm
begging
you,
let's
do
get
together
and
do
something
this
year
to
some.
You
are
right.
That's
a
problem!
That's
a
problem!
In
my
district,
your
district
in
every
district
up
here
it's
got
the
same
problem,
but
we
know
the
minds
are
set
of
some
people.
So
let's
get
some
attorneys.
Let's
get
some
people
together
and
let's
come
up
with
some
legislation.
G
That'll
work
to
help
these
poor
people
who
are
in
this
predicament
and
shouldn't
be,
and
I
think
if
we
do
it
right,
it'll
help
a
lot
more
people
than
trying
to
get
a
quick
fix
and
don't
get
nothing
done.
I'm
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
begging!
You
I'm
publicly
begging
you
to.
Let's
do
that
because
I
like
what
you're
doing
and
I
want
to
help
fix
it,
because
I
got
the
same
problem.
J
Representing
shaw,
you
never
have
to
beg
me
for
anything,
but
I
do
take
yeah
your
your
advice
and
your
leadership
under
under
counsel,
and
I
I
do
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
speak
with
me
and
really
be
earnest
about
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
really
don't
mind.
This
is
a
big
bite
to
chew.
It
is
a
big
bite
that
you
and
I
totally
understand
that,
but
are
we
willing
do
we
have
the
appetite
for
what
we're
getting
ready
to
put
in
our
mouth?
J
A
We
had
we
have
one
more
one
more
member
of
the
committee,
that's
on
the
list
to
make
a
comment
chairman
hose
claw.
Thank
you.
C
I
do
agree,
there's
so
many
issues
here
I
mean
you,
the
concept's
great
and
I
think
with
my
counterparts
that
something
does
need
to
be
done
and
I
we
we
want
to
fix
that
and
correct
that,
but
there's
way
way
too
many
issues.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
flow
chart.
We
need
to
simplify
it,
make
it
easy,
so
they
can
go
in
one
or
two
things
or
either
register
to
vote
or
not
make
it
very
simple.
So
you
know
I'm
of
the
colwin
feeling
too.
C
J
J
J
Make
a
comment
again,
I'm
okay
with
send
it
to
summer
study.
If
I
have
a
commitment
from
each
of
you
that
you
send
me
your
questions,
you
look
take
the
time
to
look
at
this
bill
really
digest.
It
think
look
at
what
it
does
and
we
have
a
commitment
that
we
in
summer
study
this
will
actually
be
study
and
we
can
come
with
some
solution:
real
solutions
and
file,
some
legislation
that
actually
gets
this
done.
A
Well,
you
you
have
my
word
that
if
this
isn't
the
summer
study
with
the
vote
we're
about
to
take,
I
will
personally
go
to
the
speaker
and
ask
for
a
real
summer
study
to
be
conducted,
because
this
is
a
serious
but
a
very
complicated
thing,
like
I
said,
there's
several
issues
where
there's
some
felonies
that
are
more
severe
than
others.
There
might
get
resistance
on
addressing
those
we
need
to
check
about
the
code,
see
if
it's
damaging
anything
else
and
how
to
implement
this
he's
going
to
review
it.
A
It
could
be
parts
and
parol
board
that
takes
it
up.
I
don't
know,
but
but
we
do
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
on
the
floor
to
send
this
to
summer
study.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed,
nay,
it
is
approved
to
go
to
summer
study.
A
Also,
I
want
to
take
care
of
something
else.
We
have
several
bills
before
we
go
on
to
the
rest
of
the
calendar.
We
have
several
bills
that
have
been
rolled
or
taken
off
notice.
I
want
to
take
care
of
those
item.
Number
six
hb
1914
has
been
rode.
One
week
item
number
eight
by
dixie
2489
road.
One
week,
item
number
nine
2121
by
warner
has
been
rolled
one
week,
item
number
10,
but
parks
and
has
been
taken
off
notice.
A
That
is
28.27,
and
I
believe
that
is
all
the
the
calendar
that
was
as
of
right
now.
That
was
suggested.
We
can
proceed
on
with
the
calendar.
Next
up
is
number
11
by
representative
chairman
is
laying
in
here.
A
Oh
excuse
me:
the
sponsors
requested
that
hb
2813
be
rolled
one
week.
G
Thank
you,
sir.
You
know
that
sounds
good.
That
mayor
part
sounds
real
good.
I
like
that
I'm
on
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
chairman
this
bill
is
bill.
That
was
brought
to
me
by
senator
gilmore
and,
of
course
it's.
G
It's
been
a
big
concern
of
hers
for
quite
a
while,
and
I
what
the
bill
does
the
bill
really
introduce
or
create
a
polling
place
pilot
program
for
davidson
county
only
for
the
inmates
in
davidson
county
for
those
who
eligible
to
vote,
and
today,
mr
chairman,
we
have
a
young
lady
here
to
testify
on
this.
If
we
could
go
out
of
session
for
about
three
or
four
minutes,
mr
jacola
lane
who
will
testify
about
this
bill
and
then
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
roll
it
for
one
week.
If
I
could.
A
All
right,
we'll
go
out
of
session
to
here.
Please
make
sure
the
red
light
is
or
the
button
there
on
the
left
and
then
introduce
yourself
we're
going
out
of
session.
Okay,
okay,.
P
Good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
house,
chair
rudd
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
jacola
lane
and
I
am
testifying
in
support
of
house
bill
2101.
I
am
a
davidson
county
resident
and
I'm
a
voting
rights
advocate
at
campaign
legal
center.
You
heard
from
my
colleague
earlier
on
the
voter
restoration
bill
campaign.
Legal
center
is
the
advocacy
primarily
focused
on
ballot
access
across
jails
and
restoration.
P
It's
a
nonpartisan
nonprofit
organization
based
in
d.c
working
to
protect
and
strengthen
the
us
democratic
process
across
all
levels
of
government
through
litigation
policy,
analysis
and
public
education.
I
work
specifically
with
voting
rights,
lawyers,
policy
makers
and
state
and
local
advocates
every
day
supporting
their
efforts
to
combat
jail-based
disenfranchisement
across
the
country.
P
Tennessee
is
not
alone
working
to
ensure
that
eligible
incarcerated
voters
can
exercise
their
right
to
vote,
including
improving
their
election
infrastructure
and
accessibility
to
incarcerated
voters.
Just
last
year,
washington
d.c
implemented
its
universal
and
enfranchising
measure
in
maryland
became
the
second
state
in
the
country
to
have
created
election
infrastructure
specifically
for
incarcerated
voters.
P
Organizations
across
the
country
are
working
to
create
jail
voting
infrastructure,
including
arizona,
california,
colorado
florida
maryland.
Michigan,
ohio,
pennsylvania,
texas,
wisconsin
and
virginia
jails
in
los
angeles
county
washington,
d.c
cook
county
illinois,
are
all
currently
facilitating
in-person
jail
voting.
P
We
are
pleased
that
tennessee
is
joining
the
growing
number
of
states
working
to
ensure
all
eligible
voters
can
access
the
ballot,
but
voting
from
jail
remains
incredibly
difficult
for
over
17
000
eligible
incarcerated
voters
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
across
the
nation.
There
are
750
000
people
who
are
jailed
who
are
eligible
to
vote.
P
P
Jail-Based
disenfranchisement
is
not
the
result
of
one
bad
law.
Instead,
it
is
caused
by
a
complicated,
convoluted
net
of
practical
barriers
that
deprive
eligible
incarcerated
voters
of
their
constitutional
right
to
vote,
and
although
the
supreme
court
has
affirmed
that
eligible
voters
cannot
be
disenfranchised
simply
because
they
are
incarcerated,
barriers
to
ballot
access
from
jail
remain
prolific.
I
ask
you
to
please
consider
passing
this
bill.
P
G
Thank
you
miss
lane.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony
now.
What
I
understand
would
this
would
be
a
pilot
program,
and
I
understand
this
would
be
those
who
would
be
eligible
to
vote
even
if
they
were
guilty
of
the
crime
certain
crimes.
They
may
still
be
eligible
to
vote,
because
I
know
that
is
the
case
and
you're
only
asking
for
those
that
just
would
be
eligible
to
vote.
P
That
is
correct
and
we
have
talked
to
them
about
logistics
as
well
as
jeff
roberts
from
the
davidson
county
election
commission.
We
have
facilitated
a
conversation
with
both
of
them
sheriff
hall
and
the
sheriff's
department
totally
on
board
and
has
also
submitted
a
letter
stating
that,
in
fact,
they
support
this
pilot
program
as
well.
All.
P
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
quick
question.
The
is
there
anything
in
state
statute
now
that
prevents
davidson
county's
election
commission
from
holding
a
precinct
in
a
prison.
I
Chairman
williams,
thank
you.
The
reason
for
that
question
is
is
there's
no
need
for
a
state
law
modification
for
them
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
now.
It
sounds
to
me
like
the
local
davidson
election.
Commission.
Just
doesn't
have
the
willingness
to
do
it.
They
may
give
you
a
letter,
but
if
they
can
hold,
if
they
can
set
up
a
precinct
in
a
jail
or
prison
they
they
can
do
that
nothing's
to
prevent
them
from
do
that,
because
they've
got
to
qualify
that
they're
qualified
voters.
I
guess
the
question
is,
is
all
is
also.
P
We
have
a
lawsuit
over
out-of-state
convictions
for
rights,
rights,
restoration,
but
it's
not
for
the
jail
voting
which
I'm
speaking
to
okay.
P
We
have
an
ongoing
litigation
about
out
of
people
who
are
trying
to
get
their
rights
restored
in
tennessee,
but
may
have
been
convicted
in
another
state,
but
they
reside
here
in
tennessee,
but
I'm
just
speaking
on
the
matter
of
the
jail
voting
pilot
and
I'm
also
a
davidson
county
resident,
and
I
have
worked
with
other
organizations
and
senator
gilmore
and
others
locally
to
try
to
facilitate
jail.
Voting
before
I
even
worked
at
campaign
legal
center
as
well,
which
has
been
an
ongoing
issue
since
about
2016.
I
Well,
I
appreciate
your
efforts,
I
I
think
they're
valiant.
I
just
think
that
you
have
a
mechanism
by
which
to
do
it
now
and
the
former
metro
councilman
current
state
senator
should
be
able
to
petition
their
local
election
commission
to
get
precinct
in
in
a
jail.
So
I
I
hate
that
you
had
to
come
all
the
way
here
today
and
testify
just
to
do
something
you
could
already
do
anyways
but
appreciate.
O
Thank
you,
ms
lane,
for
being
here
now.
Thank
you
for
clearing
up.
That's
one
of
the
questions
I
just
was
asked
is
about
the
fact
that
there
may
actually
be
people
in
the
jails
who
are
waiting
for
trial
and
for
whatever
reason,
maybe
they
have
have
the
money
for
the
bail
or
something
that's
going
on,
who
aren't
able
to
vote
as
they're
waiting
to
maybe
have
their
innocence
proved,
but
they
can't
vote
because
they're
in
the
jail
and
there's
no
voting
preaching
there.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
P
They
do
absentee
ballot
what
they
call
the
inmate
absentee
ballot,
and
we
have
talked
about
the
issues
that
come
up
with
it
and
yes,
these
people,
a
lot
of
people,
have
not
been
convicted
and
they're
in
this
pre-trial
what
they
would
consider
staged,
and
there
are
all
types
of
areas
that
we
have
seen
the
last
five
years.
That
is
not
aligned.
People
who
have
the
constitutional
right
to
vote
that
are
incarcerated
in
our
jail,
not
to
vote.
G
And
say,
but
this
is
to
her,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
if,
if
based
upon
what
my
colleague
said
at
the
end
of
the
line,
if
it's,
if
you
can
already
do
it,
why
do
what
would
a
state
law
do
that
you
can't
do
now?
I
guess
is
my
question
to
you,
since
you're
here.
A
Is
it?
Is
it
not
true?
Currently,
I
know
and
and
most
counties
and
davidson
well,
I
believe,
don't
the
doesn't
the
county
election
commission
go
to
the
jails
now
and
offer
prisoners
who
have
not
been
convicted
of
crime.
The
right
to
vote.
P
So
again,
there
is
a
difference
between
a
jail
and
a
prison.
However,
they
do
they
are
supposed
to
be.
Yes,
but
again,
there
are
a
lot
of
barriers
that
still
exist,
although
there
is
this
absentee
ballot
process
that
exists
in
the
rules,
and
we
have
seen
it
over
and
over
where
people
have
requested
it.
There
are
complications
all
over
the
state
of
tennessee,
with
people
being
able
to
actually
exercise
their
right
to
vote,
and
we
have
research
that
we
have
provided
about
that.
P
We
have
again
over
17
000
eligible
these.
Aren't
these
aren't
folks
who
are
ineligible.
They
are
eligible
and
have
their
right
to
vote,
who
have
not
been
able
to
do
that
because
of
all
the
complications
and-
and
sometimes
it's
just
simple
things
that
they
just
aren't
able
to
execute
on.
I
have
physically
gone
to
the
election
commission
to
pick
up
forms
myself,
because
there
have
been
people
in
the
jail
who
have
requested
to
get
their
ballot
and
have
not
received
them,
and
so
that
same
manner
matter
is
happening
all
over
the
state
of
tennessee.
P
I'm
not
saying
it's
intentional,
but
I
think
that
is
is
so
complicated
with
the
current
process
that
exists,
that
it's
not
being
carried
out
well
and
everyone
is
not
in
alignment
across
our
all
95
states
about
what
that
process
is.
There's
a
there's,
a
huge
gap
in
education
about
what
it
should
be
happening
from
the
sheriff's
level
in
connection
with
the
election
commissions.
I
Thank
you
once
again,
I
feel
like
I'm
being
redundant,
but
here,
but
the
the
facts
are.
The
election
commission
can
currently
do
that
if
the
election
commission
is
not
doing
it
and
the
citizens
of
that
community
are
disappointed
in
who
their
election
commissioners
are
because
they're
unwilling
to
do
that.
The
mechanism
for
that
is
this
is
an
election
year,
so
the
house
senate
members
from
davidson
county
get
together
and
they
appoint
new
people
to
make
sure
they
understand
to
represent
the
rights
of
those
people
that
are
incarcerated
that
want
to
vote.
I
If
they
don't
do
that,
it's
not
the
legislative.
It's
not
our
role
to
do
that,
there's
already
a
system
in
place
for
it,
one
of
them.
My
colleagues
today
already
vote
against
this
people,
because
there's
already
a
policy
in
place,
so
we
have
to
follow
the
policy
that's
in
place.
There
is
something
that
works,
but
just
because
somebody
doesn't
do
what
we
want
them
to
do
doesn't
mean
we
come
to
the
state
and
some
pass
the
bill
to
force
them
to
do
it,
and
so
I
appreciate
your
testimony
today.
I
A
No
other
questions
miss
lane
we'll
go
back
into
session.
Thank
you.
We
are
now
back
in
session
and
I
believe
you
represented
sean
wanted
to.
A
Next
week,
so
you
wanted
to
row
hb
2101
one
week,
all
right,
no
objections.
We
wrote
one
week
we're
now
back
at
the
top
of
the
calendar.
Again
we're
back
on
item
number
three
hb
2074
by
mr
griffey.
A
Second,
your
motion
and
second
on
the
bill.
Let's
see,
I
believe
you
have
what
an
amendment.
C
And
I
do
have
someone
here
that
wanted
to
testify
janiece
chronology
from
the
hardin
county
election
commission
administrator
to
explain
the
system
that
they
already
have
in
place
and
it's
what
many
of
you
may
have
seen
upstairs
on
the
eighth
floor
on
monday.
A
I
The
I
don't
have
a
copy,
the
the
untimely
filed
amendment,
the
member
hasn't
communicated
with
my
office
in
particularly
we
just
rolled
27
of
28
bills
to
next
week,
and
so
I
guess
my
point
is-
is
that
I
don't
understand
what
the
rush
would
be
to
do
that.
I
have
concerns
with
the
member's
bill
based
upon
communication
from
my
election
commission
and
it's
contrary
nature
or
standing
to
that
of
representative
bricken.
I
A
Third,
we're
old
third
we're
where
we
are
is
we're
on
a
we're
on
a
motion.
We
had
emotion,
we're
lacking
a
second,
what
to
hear
the
bill
or
no.
Actually,
I
have
the
amendment.
We've
already
voted
to
to
hear
an
untimely
five
minute
now
we're
voting
on
putting
the
amendment
on
the
bill.
I
I
Well,
as
I
said
before,
with
all
due
respect
to
the
member,
no
copy
of
the
amendment
have
no
idea
what
it
says
in
washington.
They
may
pass
stuff
without
reading
it,
but
I'm
not
gonna.
That's
why
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
untimely
filed
nature
of
the
amendment
and
its
contrary,
nature,
which
I'm
told
to
my
local
election
commission
chairman.
C
You
very
much
and
I
apologize
that
it
was
late.
I
was
trying
to
correct
the
problem
because
russ
bricken's
bill
essentially
does
what
my
bill
did
as
originally
drafted
in
2704
I've.
I
had
spoken
with
chairman
crawford
about
an
alternative
that
I
think
this
committee
may
want
to
consider
and
that's
the
purpose
of
untimely
amendment.
I
have
a
copy
here,
it's
fairly
self-explanatory,
but
and
if
we
maybe
can
push
to
next
week,
I
I
did
have
miss
cross
need
for
here
from
hardin
clinton.
A
I
I
have
this
suggestion
and
research
is
to
remind
me:
do
have
a
motion.
Second,
on
the
bill,
not
on
the
on
hearing
the
untimely
filed
amendment.
They
want
a
chance
to
read
it,
so
we
can't,
if
you
so
choose,
have
testimony
today,
because
we
still
have
10
minutes,
10
or
12
minutes,
and
then
you
request
to
roll
the
bill
immediately
afterwards,
all
right!
Well,
if
anyone
wants
to
test
excuse
me,
we
have
three
people
wanting
to
testify.
A
If
you'll
come
to
the
front
table
and
be
sure
and
activate
the
red
button,
when
you
speak,
tell
us
your
name
and
if
you
represent
any
organization
and
please
please
keep
it
to
three
minutes:
apiece,
okay,.
Q
Our
election
commission
decided
to
look
at
all
the
available
voting
machines
that
were
approved
by
the
state
election
commission.
It
became
clear
to
us
that
we
needed
a
paper
verifiable
trail
and
we
purchased
ballot
marketing
devices
for
every
polling
precinct
and
we
vote
and
we
purchased
a
tabulator.
Q
Q
Q
Q
If
they
make
a
mistake
on
that
paper
ballot
and
they
say-
oh,
I
didn't
mean
to
do
that
as
long
as
it's
not
put
in
the
tabulator,
it
doesn't
count
yet
so
we
can
give
them
another.
Try
at
the
ballot
marking
device.
The
other
option
is
they
can
vote
strictly
on
a
paper
ballot.
So
the
the
beauty
of
the
paper
verifiable
trail
is
that
we
hold
those
ballots
for
a
specific
amount
of
months
in
the
event
that
the
election
is
over.
If
there's
a
question,
we
have
that
paper
to
verify
everybody's
selections.
Q
We
also
do
audits
for
specific
elections
where
we
take
the
flash
drive
out
of
the
tabulator,
put
it
into
another
tabulator
rerun
all
those
ballots
again
and
verify
that
everything
matches
so
the
the
people
really
like
looking
at
a
paper
ballot
and
knowing
that
they
actually
made
those
selections
that
they
their
selections,
are
being
counted.
I
guess
I
could
go
on
more
and
more
about
that,
but
the
importance
here
is
having
that
paper
ballot
back
up
integrity,
absolutely.
A
Any
questions
seeing
none
next
up,
I
believe,
is
what
kathy
harms
is
she
here
if
she
wanted
to
speak.
A
Okay,
next
on
the
list
was
deborah
maggert.
B
A
On
his
bill,
we're
hearing
testimony,
but
he
has
said
he's
gonna.
He
has
indicated
after
testimony
he's
gonna
roll
his
bill.
I
believe
a
week.
Okay,.
B
Many
of
you
all
know
that
microvote
has
been
in
business
in
tennessee
for
about
35
years.
Microvode
is
a
small,
family-owned
business
that
has
been
in
business
for
about
40
years.
We
do
have
a
paper
solution.
We
have
our
machine
in
about
45
counties
here
in
tennessee
and
we
have
a
voter,
verifiable
paper
audit
trail
printer.
B
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
all
know
that
as
the
sponsor's
bill
is
written
right
now,
it
would
not
include
microvote
in
his
original
bill.
So
I
wanted
to
let
you
all
know
that
we
were
opposed
to
his
original
bill.
I
did
work
with
the
sponsor
on
some
amended
amendment
language
to
include
microvote,
and
I
know
we're
not
on
the
amendment,
but
the
amendment
has
written
today.
We
would
also
be
opposed
to
that.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Are
there
any
questions
against
maggard.
G
A
A
Yeah
chairman
crawford.
F
You
said
that
one
of
the
other
representatives
had
a
bill.
That
basically
does
the
same
thing
that's
already
passed.
Is
that
correct.
C
It's
my
understanding-
and
I
believe
I
was
in
here
when
representative
bricken
presented
his
bill-
he's
got
a
bill
that
has
a
paper
verifiable
voter
paper
audit
trail
and
essentially
that's
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
accomplish.
F
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
C
C
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
get
here
in
tennessee,
based
upon
the
november
22
election
concerns
about
being
able
to
have
transparencies
in
elections,
and
if
there
is
a
dispute
or
a
question,
we
can
go
back
and
there's
something
to
count
and
and
there's
a
verifiable
paper
audit
trail
to
do
that,
and
I
think
if
you
all
of
you,
had
a
chance
to
go
up
to
the
eighth
floor
monday
and
look
at
the
equipment.
C
It's
very
impressive.
My
only
criticism
of
some
of
the
equipment
up
there
on
the
eighth
floor
and
even
the
ballot
marking
devices
most
of
them
when
they
print
a
ballot.
That's
later
scanned
into
a
tabulator
for
counting
the
they're
printing,
a
qr
code
or
a
bar
scan
code
onto
the
computer,
a
ballot
paper
ballot
then,
and
with
the
tabulators
actually
reading
that
qr
code
or
that
scan
code
that
supposedly
compiling
the
various
votes,
the
various
candidates
school
board.
Kenny
mayor.
C
You
know
those
those
the
problem
is
and
we've
seen
we
saw
this
in
wisconsin
from
the
supreme
court
justice
up
there.
That
was
interviewing
investigating
the
problems
up
there.
There
was
somebody
who
was
a
vendor
that
was
actually
hooked
in
wirelessly
running
everything
in
the
county
where
green
bay
wisconsin
that
county
and
it
was
a
vendor
running
the
elections
from
a
hotel
room
in
there.
C
C
So
if
we
want
to
be
absolutely
certain
down
the
road
at
any
other
election,
if
you
got
a
handmark
paper
ballot,
that
would
do
it
and
it's
my
also
my
understanding
that
most
election
administrators
they'll
do
whatever
we
direct
them
to
do
how
they
wanted
to
do
it.
Their
concern
is
that
they
have
time
to
cycle
in
new
equipment,
so
it
doesn't
cost
the
county
and
the
taxpayers
a
bunch
of
new
money
for
new
equipment.
C
So
what
the
amendment
was
going
to
do
is
say
at
some
point
by
in
eight
years,
from
now
to
eight
years
down
the
road,
every
county
needs
to
go
to
a
hand
marked
paper
ballot,
except
for
ada
compliant
people,
and
they
they
can
use
the
ballot
marking
devices
because
they're
not
as
big
biggest
possibility
of
susceptible
to
manipulation.
If
there
was
bad
actors,
but
this
would
give
them
and
they
could
do
it
sooner
if
they
wanted
to,
but
it
would
do
that.
So
that's
that's
where
we
are
with
the
bill
and
I
apologize.
C
The
amendment
says
that
each
county
commission
shall
require
voters
other
than
voters
who
are
qualified
as
disabled
under
the
american,
with
disability
act
to
use
hand
marked
paper
ballots
that
are
tabulated
by
hand
or
machine
not
later
than
the
earlier
of
when
the
county,
commission,
county
election
commissions,
purchases,
new
equipment
or
july
1st
2030..
That's
eight
years
out
from
now.
So.
C
And
when
you,
and
for
legally
purposes
how
a
vote
is
counted,
the
the
amendment
says
that
the
vote
is
what
the
voter
marks
on
the
hand
piece
of
paper,
not
what
the
computer
spits
out
to
them.
So
if
you
go
back
and
count
them
later,
we're
counting
that
stack
of
ballots
and
seeing
how
they're
marked
on
the
ballot,
not
what
the
machines
spit
out
in
total.
It's
just
calculated,
mr.
A
Went
out
of
session
to
hear
the
testimony
we've
now
come
back
into
the
session,
we're
discussing
an
amendment
that
hasn't
even
that
couldn't
get
a
second
so
and
then
he
was
going
to
request
a
role
of
the
week,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
now.
So
I
guess,
if
we're
going
to
continue
to
discuss
the
amendment,
we
need
to
adapt
it
or
we
need
to
let
the
sponsor
you
guys.
C
I
would
appreciate
that
and
my
appreciation
to
the
committee
for
your
indulgence
of
being
fearing.
I
Thank
you.
I
I
think
you
you
were
right
in
communicating
about
the
ada
component
of
it
is
the
only
difference,
but
you
also
went
on
to
say
and
discussion
about
the
actual
machines
themselves.
I
told
someone
in
the
previous
bill.
My
concern
is,
is
currently
representative
bricken's
bill
allows
for
the
people
in
my
community
to
vote
with
a
verifiable
paper
trail
of
which
the
funding
of
that
those
machines
or
new
machines
would
be
paid
for
by
the
secretary
of
state's
office
through
monies
he
already
got.
I
A
Right,
the
sponsor
is
asked
to
roll
hb
2074
one
week,
all
due
to
time
restraints,
the
the
remaining
bills
will
be
automatically
rolled
one
week
or
heard
next
week.
Also,
if
I
would
suggest
before
we
adjourn,
I
would
suggest
the
sponsor
get
with
the
representative
bricken
we're
getting
to
the
point
now,
where
there's
so
many
bills
that
are
trying
to
do
the
same
thing
that
once
we
pass
some
good
bills,
others
are
going
to
have
to
start
dying
or
they're
going
to
start
overriding
good
other
bills.
A
So
I
I
encourage
not
only
you
but
all
the
sponsors
to
get
together
that
have
similar
bills
and
start
talking
to
one
another
all
right.
Thank
you
with
no
objections.
We're
hereby,
I
think
chairman
williams
wants
to
stay.
Don't
you
want
to
yeah
okay,
with
no
objections
we're
adjourned
until
next
week.
Thank
you.