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House Elections & Campaign Finance Subcommittee - March 2, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
See
today,
let's
see
we
had
do
I
have
any
personal
orders
before
we
begin
for
members,
seeing
none,
we
shall
begin.
We
originally
had
11
11
bills,
but
we've
got
a
few
changes.
Excuse
me:
okay,
we
had
a
few
changes.
A
few
rolls,
let's
see.
Please,
we've
had
a
few
last
minute
changes
ask
staff
to
correct
me
if
I've
missed
any,
but
I
believe,
let's
see,
item
number
five
2074
but
griffey's
road.
One
week.
A
We
have
an
amendment
yeah.
Well,
I
need
the
drafting
code.
First,
let's
see.
Is
that
one
two,
four,
six,
four,
that's
what
I
have.
Okay.
Are
there
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
amendment.
You
have
a
motion.
Second,
on
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
of
adapting
the
amendment
say:
aye
opposed,
nay,
amendment
goes
on
the
bill.
Please
tell
us
about
your
amended
bill.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
a
equal
access
ballot
bill
for
minor
parties,
and
I
was
here
once
before,
and
those
of
you
who
remember
understand
that
under
current
law,
as
a
republican
or
a
democrat
running,
for
example,
for
our
position
as
a
state
representative,
you
only
need
25
signatures,
but
if
you're
a
minor
party
and
you're
a
libertarian-
and
you
want
to
put
an
l
beside
your
name
on
the
ballot
under
current
law,
you
have
to
get
56
082
signatures
to
do
that.
C
C
So
this
bill
changes
the
numbers
and
I
don't
think
it's
low
enough,
but
these
folks
that
need
the
bill
passed
are
satisfied
with
it.
This
bill
lowers
those
numbers
down
to
a
0.5
percentage
instead
of
2.5
percentage
of
the
people
who
voted
in
the
last
governor's
race,
and
so
that
lowers
the
numbers
in
this
particular
case
to
it
takes
11
217
signatures.
C
If
you
pass
this
bill,
but
they
say
that's
attainable
and
they're
grateful
to
have
it
rather
than
the
56
000
signatures
they
would
have
to
have,
and
some
there's
some
concern
last
year
of
an
idea
that
will
be
flooded
with
minor
parties,
that'll
split,
the
vote
and
and
on
and
on.
I
want
you
to
know
that
that
33
other
states
have
much
lower
numbers
for
minor
parties
than
we
do
actually
all
the
states
33
of
them
are
down
to
about
2
000
signatures
for
hermione
parties,
minor
parties.
A
Here
questions
representative
shaw.
D
C
For
the
ques,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Actually,
if
you
look
in
tennessee
history,
there
have
been
40
minor
parties
who
have
a
great
influence
on
the
history
of
this
state,
40
of
them
right
now.
The
most
active
that
I
know
is
the
green
party,
the
constitutional
party
and
the
libertarian
party
that
that
I
know
of
that
that
are
the
most
active
minor
parties.
D
Do
you
know
how
many
members
in
the
libertarian
party
in
the
state
I
have
no
idea.
C
E
A
Any
other
questions
seeing
none
are
there
any
objections
to
voting
on
the
oh
we've
already
voted
on
the
amendment.
Voting
on
the
amended
bill
see
none
all
those
are
all
those
in
favor
of
the
bill
say
aye
all
opposed,
say.
No,
no
still
a
roll
call.
D
A
A
F
It
gives
the
election
commissioner,
the
authority
to
grant
a
two-year
extension
for
people
that
cannot
comply
with
the
first
deadline
and
the
definition
of
a
voter,
verifiable
excuse
me
paper.
D
Thank
mr
chairman,
am
I
looking
at
a
fiscal
note,
11
625,
that
would
be
among
all
the
election
offices
across
the
state.
F
That
that
is
correct,
there's
currently
61
counties
are
that
are
not
in
machines,
are
not
in
this
position,
so
these
machines
would
have
to
be
upgraded
or
replaced
over
the
course
of
the
next
two
to
four
years.
So,
and
so
the
secretary
of
state's
office
has
given
me
as
much
assurances
as
someone
can
on
a
fiscal
matter
that
they
will
have
money
to
the
locals
to
help
acquire
the
machines.
D
F
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
believe
that
was
you
had
said:
11
000.,
that's
six!
That's
11
million!
No!
I'm
sorry.
A
All
right
next
is
chairman
hoslaw.
E
Thank
you
chairman,
and
that's
basically
for
the
record.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
was
identified.
It's
11
million.
You
have
you
kind
of
worked
that
through
the
governor
to
maybe
potentially
have
this
funded
or.
F
Chairman
all
I've
been
basically
told
is
that
the
secretary
of
state's
office
feels
comfortable
that
either
through
federal
dollars
or
state
dollars
that
the
funding
for
these
machines
can
be
derived.
He
certainly
says
hopefully,
he'll
come
out
of
this
committee.
He
says,
obviously,
finance
will
you
know
vet
it
out
and
and
I'm
not
sure
what
all
goes
on
in
finance.
So
right.
H
Mark
owens
coordinator
of
elections
for
the
great
state
of
tennessee
he
what
he
has
stated
is
correct.
We
we
have
committed
as
best
we
can
to
to
fund
the
purchase
of
the
equipment.
Now,
there's
ongoing
costs
that
counties
have
running
elections
anyway,
but
there
will
be
an
additional
cost
for
the
paper
record.
That
would
be
something
the
counties
would
would
have
to
fund,
but
we
have
funds
that
we
believe
that
we
could
purchase
equipment
and,
for
the
record,
make
sure
that
we're
abundantly
clear
the
11
million
is
like
the
first
year.
H
We
anticipate
that
most
counties
would
not
do
it
during
the
election
year,
because
the
election's
kind
of
taken
off
there's
an
additional
cost.
We
think
most
folks
would
would
purchase
equipment
the
next
budget
year,
but
before
2024
and
that's
an
additional
15
000.,
I
mean
15
million
15
million.
So
so
what
I'm
saying
is
you
know
you're
looking
you're
looking
over
27
million,
but
we
have
some
federal
funds
that
that
could
accommodate
that
and
it
actually
could
be
even
more.
H
You
know,
depending
on
the
20
27
million
in
in
full
candor
27
million,
is,
is
a
low
estimate.
It's
probably
going
to
be
more
around
37
million,
but
but
we
think
we
we
can
find
the
funds
combining
with
federal
funds
and
some
other
things
ultimately
for
the
machine
purchase
for
the
61
counties.
We
don't
believe
it
would
be
an
unfunded
mandate
for
the
machines.
Now
they
may
get
what
they
call
poll
books
or
something
like
that.
That's
additional!
I'm
talking
about
the
voting
apparatus.
E
H
So,
actually,
for
the
federal
funds
that
we
have,
there
is
a
match,
but
it's
a
state
match
and
and
there's
multiple
grants-
that's
kind
of
coming
into
play
here,
one
grant
it's
a
ten
percent
match,
but
the
majority
of
the
funds.
It
would
be
a
five
percent
match,
but
that's
on
the
state
level.
A
Next
is:
oh,
oh,
I'm
sorry
we're
not
any
anybody
else
want
to
ask
questions
of
while
we're
at
a
session
of
mr
goins
sing,
oh
represented
manus.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
C
So,
mr
goins,
you
said
there
was
ongoing,
cost
reoccurring
cost.
So
is
that
will
the
reoccurring
cost
increase
with
this
new
technology
or
decrease?
Do
you
do
you
know
that.
H
Yeah,
it's
typically
so
knox
county.
Your
county
has
gone
to
paper
and
and
normally
they're.
Well,
that's
the
increase!
So
if
you're
using
a
purely
electronic
piece
of
equipment,
you
don't
have
the
electronic,
I
mean
you,
don't
have
the
paper
that
you're
paying
for
so
the
cost
that
will
be
ongoing,
that
the
counties
will
have
to
fund
is
the
paper.
H
But
but
the
truth
is:
can
I
get
off
the
budget
a
little
bit
and
tell
you
where
we
are
as
a
market
where
you're
looking
as
a
market
everyone's
going
to
paper,
audit,
fair,
verifiable
trail
and
so
we're
running
into
a
situation
where
the
vendors
at
some
point
they're
not
going
to
make
this
equipment
because
no
one
is
purchasing
this
equipment?
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we're
strongly
behind
this.
We
we
we
realized
that
we're
in
a
situation
that
that
the
vendors-
this
is
what
they're
making.
I
So,
while
we're
off
in
this
information
gathering,
then
I
want
to
make
a
comment
and
make
sure
that
I'm
correct
in
what
I'm
saying,
because
I
do
not
like
unfunded
mandates,
but
if
we're
saying
we
have
a
couple
of
years
to
get
this
done,
if
we
say
we
could
have
four
years,
it
could
be
an
application
and
come
back
with
four
years,
but
eventually
we've
got
to
get
to
paper
ballots.
If
we're
doing
that
unfunded,
then
I'm
in
support
of
this
legislation
do
I
seem
to
be
on
the
right
page
get
it
do.
H
H
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
discussed
with
the
sponsor,
of
course,
it'll
be
up
to
sponsor
for
this.
But
we
sympathize
with
unfunded
mandate
as
well,
and
I
think
if
we
couldn't
work
that
out
on
finance,
I
think
that
could
be
a
fatal
part
of
this
bill.
But,
having
said
that,
there's
going
to
be
that
component
of
the
paper
balance
only
be
very
clear
or
the
the
paper.
H
A
All
right
chairman,
crawford.
E
H
That's
correct:
no,
this
would
be
the
61..
So
if
you're
looking
at
the
funds
that
we
have
so
in
knox
county
situation
in
your
situation,
I
think
you
all
are
changing
voting
equipment
solvent.
That's
something
that
they're
already
getting
some
federal
funds,
but
that
is
not
when
we're
looking
at
this
budget,
we're
looking
at
the
61
counties
and
and
the
reason
there's
a
range
they
got
to
competitively
bid
this
so
that
that's
why
we
can't
really
say
it's
going
to
be
27
or
it's
going
to
be
37.
H
We
don't
know
what
machines
that
the
the
counties
will
take
and
some
are
more
expensive,
but
you
know
we're
as
far
as
funding
it
from
the
federal
funds
and
bringing
in
some
state
dollars.
If
the
finance
committee
agrees
with
that,
we
would
be
talking
about
taking
care
of
the
61
counties
that
currently
have
not
purchased
a
voter,
verifiable
trail,
and
I
think
we've
included
sullivan
as
purchasing
a
voter,
verifiable
trail,
because
they've
already
started
the
process,
so
they
would
not
get
as
much
money
in
all
candor.
E
Okay,
then,
I'm
back
to
the,
as
my
fellow
representative
was
talking
about
the
unfunded
mandate.
What
happens
if
this
bill
is
passed
and
it
gets
to
the
point
that
we're
going
to
go
through
with
this
and
there's
no
federal
funds
available
or
there's
no
state
funds,
not
enough
state
funds
to
purchase
all
these
machines?
Does
that
go
back
on
the
locals.
H
E
H
H
And
so
what
I'm
saying
is-
and
this
is
a
conversation
like
I
said
we
had-
it-
would
not
go
that
far,
because
we
would
stop
it
at
finance
if
we
can't
come
up
that
funding
solution
as
far
as
the
federal
funds
that
I'm
talking
about,
they
are
here
now
now
we
would
have
to
so
so
we
had
to
in
order
to
get
the
grants.
There
are
certain
things
that
we
had
to
do
and
plans
we
had
to
do.
H
We
would
have
to
submit
some
additional
documents
to
say
we're
going
to
use
this
for
voting
equipment,
and
but
we
in
talking
to
the
the
group,
the
initials
that
that
oversees
the
the
grants.
We
think
that
they
would
agree.
So
what
we're
doing
we're
combining
multiple
grants,
we've
got
some
that's
machine.
Specific
we've
got
some
that
were
sent
for
voting
security,
and
this
is
considered
a
a
security
upgrade
to
have
that
paper
record.
H
But
there
is
some
additional
paper.
So
when
we
submitted
to
get
those
funds
you're
required
to
submit
a
plan,
we
would
have
to
update
that
plan.
But
I
don't
anticipate
that
would
change,
because
when
the
federal
government
gave
us
those
additional
funds,
they
specifically
listed
that
security
funds
could
be
for
a
paper
audit
trail.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
A
Take
a
moment
of
privilege
while
you're
here:
can
you
explain
if
this
became
law
and
we
went
to
these
type
of
machines
at
the
canon
level?
How
the
process
would
work,
how
the
machines
would
work,
how
this
would
be
audited,
paper
or
optical?
And
then
the
second
question
is,
I
know
it's
a
real
security
concern
with
secretary
hargett
that
he
likes
having
a
variety
of
different
vendors
and
machines
to
prevent
hacking,
because
it
was
just
one
one
vendor
across
the
state,
it'd
be
easier
to
do
something.
H
H
It
is
a
protection
because
it'd
be
very
difficult
to
attack
our
election
infrastructure
because
of
that,
but
also
we
just
think
that's
a
good
practice.
Business
practice
you're
not
held
hostage
to
a
specific
vendor.
If
you
have
a
statewide
vendor,
basically
they
can
raise
your
software
costs
and
those
things.
So
now
we
have
a
real
competitive.
H
You
know
environment
among
the
different
vendors
as
far
as
the
different
methods
of
voting,
and
actually,
when
I
look
at
this
committee,
it's
going
to
apply
to
all
of
you
because
it's
a
little
different
depending
on
your
county.
Your
county
in
rutherford
county,
currently
uses
the
microvote
system.
So
after
they
go
through
the
competitive
bid
process,
they
continue
to
choose
that
method.
It's
going
to
be
a
little
different
than
knox
county
and
I'll.
Explain
the
difference.
Knox
county
they
go
in
to
vote.
H
They
vote
on
a
hand,
marked
paper
ballot,
and
then
they
put
it
into
a
scanner.
There's
another
machine.
Where
that
the
machine
marks
the
ballot,
it's
still
a
paper
ballot.
The
difference
is
it's
not
a
handmark
ballot
from
the
individual.
It's
a
machine
marked
ballot
and
you
put
it
in
a
scanner,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
counties.
Any
counties
in
here
that
may
have
that
now,
but
I
don't
see
anybody
immediately.
Yeah
you
represented
yeah.
Of
course,
representative
brickens
does
and
then
the
third
myth
method-
and
this
is
your
county.
H
It's
your
county,
representative
williams.
It
is
a
tape.
If
you
will
that's
under
a
clear,
it's
not
glass,
it's
something
else,
but
it's
something
clear,
and
so,
as
the
voter
is
voting,
they
see
how
they're
voting.
So
when
they
vote
for
representative,
you
know
tim
rudd.
They
actually
see
that
so
then
they
decide.
Well.
You
know
I.
I
voted
for
somebody,
and
I
really
you
know
john
doan.
I
really
didn't
want
to.
H
If
you're
going
to
do
an
audit
in
in
knox
county
or
where
you
know
the
marketing
devices
you're
looking
at
a
physical
ballot
that
that's
the
difference
and
so
what
what
representative
bricken
has
done,
he
has
basically
taken
into
consideration
all
the
vendors
that
we
have
and
and
and
and
looked
at
the
different
paper
audible,
verifiable
audit
trail
that
they
have,
and
so
he,
if
his
bill
passes,
it
would
still
it
would
not
exclude
any
vendor.
D
H
D
H
Well
so
interesting
enough,
we've
had
we
got
a
major
grant
originally
and
then
consistent
since
then,
they've
been
we've
been
getting
money
from
the
federal
government,
so
it
all
kind
of
flowed
in
some
of
the
money
which
you've
already
spent
was
to
secure
election
offices.
Make
sure
you
have
the
proper
security
around
elections.
Make
sure
you
do
that.
But
voter
registration
system
was
a
major
expenditure
that
we
were.
We
were
doing
an
upgrade
to
the
system
at
the
statewide
level.
We
actually
did
it.
We
are
massively
under
budget.
H
I
think
you
all
would
like
to
know
that
I
think
the
budget
was
was
10
million
and
right
now
we're
when
I
say
massively
we're
massively
under
budget.
We
think
we'll
continue
to
to
go
down
that
trail.
We
we're
rolling
out
the
test
on
that
system.
Now,
assuming
that
there
you
know
that
it
works.
Well,
then
we're
going
to
continue
to
stay
under
budget,
but
part
of
it's
new
money
and
then
part
of
it,
so
so
61
counties,
many
of
them
have
not
spent
money.
H
That's
already
been
allocated
allocated
to
purchase
equipment
and
chairman
crawford's
example.
I
don't,
I
think,
they're
exceeding
the
amount
of
money
that
we
had
budgeted
for
them,
but
basically
we
had
developed
a
plan
where
every
county
in
the
state
got
ten
thousand
dollars
per
precinct
and
per
early
voting
site,
and
so
when
they
chose
to
upgrade
their
voting
equipment
or
go
to
different
voting
equipment,
they
got
that
so
there's
a
number
of
those
counties.
That's
not
spent
that
those
funds-
and
that
was
the
second
bite
at
the
apple.
H
So
we
purchased
equipment
with
the
assistance
of
county
commissions
and
and
some
use
the
money
and
don't
need
anything
additional
like
hamilton
when
they
purchased
the
equipment
they
got,
they
didn't
anything
additional,
so
they
spent
you
know
ten
thousand
dollars
per
precinct
work
for
them,
other
counties
it
may
not,
but
but
some
have
taken
advantage
of
the
first
bite
at
the
apple
and
bought
the
equipment.
H
Typically
back
in
2008,
others
have
taken
advantage
of
the
second
bite,
which
is
where
chairman
crawford's
county
is,
but
then
there's
several
that
haven't
so
the
money
has
been
setting
there
for
this
purpose.
For
many
of
them
and
then
there's
a
large
part
of
new
money
and
then
the
mon,
the
voter
registration
system,
you
know
we're
just
we're
we're
very
frugal,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
safe.
H
Well,
as
I
said
before,
we
we've
identified
less
than
20
and
of
those
20
once
the
prosecutor.
So
we
look
at
things
that
look
a
little
suspicious,
we'll
give
it
to
the
prosecutor,
they'll,
investigate
it
and
then
they'll
find
out
whether
it
truly
was
voter
fraud,
so
that
that's
what
we're
talking
about
in
tennessee,
I
feel
very
comfortable,
as
I've
testified
numerous
times
that
you
all
have
given
us
the
tools
you
know
to
to
succeed
and
be
very
successful,
and
you
know
when
I
see
think
tanks
ranking
us
number
three
of
all
50.
H
I
think
there's
outside
groups
that
agree
with
that
as
well,
but
it
really
comes
down
to
the
election
system
and
infrastructure
that
you
have
and
and
y'all
I
mean
this-
is
you
know?
That's
probably
one
of
the
benefits
to
have
an
elections
committee.
You
all
become
experts
on
elections
when
I
get
up
here.
Not
only
have
you
ran
an
election
seen
that
experience,
but
you
all
hear
this
over
and
over.
So
I
feel
very
good
about
where
we
are
as
far
as
tennessee.
E
H
So,
actually,
as
far
as
the
effective
date,
actually
it
says
the
amendment
would
say
that
upon
passage
the
public
welfare
requiring
it,
but
you
may
be
talking
about
there
is
a
clause
in
there.
It
says
if
there's
a
hardship,
so
county
says
that
they
can't
purchase
it
and
where
this
could
come
into
play.
You
know
right
now,
you
could
have
a
chain
of
you
know
moving
through
the
chain.
You
know,
there's
there's
various
things
that
maybe
there's
not
enough
equipment
next
year.
H
E
H
H
H
A
A
Now
we're
back
on
the
bill
next
up.
If
he
has
any
questions,
was
chairman
host
call.
E
Thank
you
chairman.
I
think
my
questions
have
been
answered.
K
Thank
you,
chairman
representative
bricken.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
this
bill.
I
think
the
reason
why
we
have
this
subcommittee
and
the
reason
why
we
have
so
many
constituents
who
are
concerned
about
it.
I
don't
think,
as
mr
goins
said
earlier,
we're
not
concerned
about
our
elections
today,
what
our
citizens
were
disturbed
about
its
elections
in
other
states
that
they
felt
like
disenfranchised
them
in
many
areas,
whether
it's
jobs
or
or
economic
stability
or
or
rainy
day
fund
tennessee
leads.
We
we're
leading
in
it
in
election
security
right
now.
K
I
think
what
this
bill
would
do
would
give
us
another
foothold
on
being
a
leader
in
the
nation,
as
it
relates
to
election
security
and
alleviate
the
concerns
that
that
our
constituents
shared
with
us,
not
as
it
relates
to
our
system,
but
going
forward
for
for
other
states
and
the
impact
that
those
decisions
make,
and
so
I
want.
I
thank
you
for
this
bill.
I
think
it's
really
important.
K
Thank
you
to
the
secretary
of
state
and
mark
goins
for
their
efforts
to
try
to
make
this
more
affordable
to
the
community,
but
as
it
relates
to
ed
election
policy,
which
is
what
this
committee
is
here
to
do
and
responsible
for.
I
applaud
you
with
this
bill.
K
J
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
we're
talking
about
the
paper
ballots
and
the
verifiable
paper
audit
trail
that
the
implication
is,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
can
know
that
the
vote
was
cast
properly
and
we're
not
casting
dispersions
upon
our
election
commissions
that
they
did
not
do
their
job,
but
rather
we're
saying
we're
going
forward
to
make
sure
that
that
people
feel
comfortable
and
because
sometimes
the
language
we
use
in
explaining
a
bill
not
saying
that
you
did
this,
but
sometimes
the
language
we
use
implies
certain
things,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
our
election
commissions
do
to
get
folks
registered
to
vote,
to
set
up
the
election
sites
to
as
efficiently
and
effectively
allow
people
who
are
qualified
to
vote
to
cast
their
ballots
as
easy
as
they
can.
J
E
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
reckon
we're
wrapping
this
up.
I
do
appreciate
you
bringing
this
and
you
know,
tennessee
tennessee's.
One
of
the
states
is
probably
the
most
efficient
as
far
as
collecting
votes
and
reporting
those,
because
a
lot
of
polls
close
down
eight
eight
o'clock-
something
like
that.
A
Seeing
oh
back
to
just
closing
back
to
I've,
seen
no
more
comments
back
or
questions
back
to
the
sponsor
of
chairman
bricken.
A
We
have
a
previous
questions,
any
objections.
If
not,
we
are
voting
on
the
amended
bill
of
hb
2331,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
of
o's,
nay,
bill
passage
goes
on
to
full
local.
Thank.
A
Next
up
is
item
number
three
hb
1283
by
representative
beck,
and
I
believe
you
believe
you
have
an
amendment.
We
have
a
motion
in
second
and
we
have
an
amendment.
I
got
14
209.,
that's
correct,
mr
chairman.
We
have
an
amendment
all
those
in
favor
motion
and
second
on
amendment.
A
Well,
I
guess
I
only
heard
only
have
one
eye
and
two
noses,
so
I
guess
the
amendment
fails.
A
A
A
A
K
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
just
wanted
to
share
my
concerns.
We
we
had
this
discussion
last
time.
I
would
never
want
to
be
against
another
fellow
fan
of
national
soccer
clubs
bill,
but
I'm
really
concerned
about
fraud,
as
it
relates
to
state
ids,
these
high
higher
education
ids
being
used
as
as
voters.
It's
my
understanding.
L
L
In
order
to
vote
now,
I
think
there
was
a
little
confusion
last
week
this
you
already
have
to
be
registered
to
vote
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
This
is
just
using
that
id
the
secretary
of
state
or
the
local
election
commission
has
already
vetted
them
to
make
sure
that
they
are
able
to
vote
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
This
is
just
when
you
go
to
vote
using
that
state
school
student
id
to
be
able
to
cast
your
ballot.
K
K
So
I
get
what
you're
saying
my
concern
is:
is
that
someone
goes
and
they're
able
to
they're
able
to
register
to
vote,
but
then
a
bus
goes
around
and
they
collect
2
500
student
ids
at
the
university
of
memphis,
and
they
go
in
and
vote
on
behalf
of
all
these
people.
I'm
just
concerned
that
if
we
do
this,
that
we're
opening
it
up
to
some
form
of
fraud-
and
I
think
your
intentions
are
great
and
we
want
more
young
people
to
vote,
we
want
to
make
the
polling
locations
more
available.
K
We
want
to
give
them
opportunities
to
do
that.
I
have
a
son
who
is
at
a
higher
education
institution
and
I
love
it
because
he
has
to
come
home
and
vote,
but
last
year
last
time
he
decided
that
he
wanted
to
absentee
ballot.
He
could
do
that
as
well.
We
have
plenty
of
options
for
students.
My
fear
is
that
this
would
just
open
our
elections
to
to
fraud,
and
so
for
that
reason
I'm
not
going
to
support
your
amendment
or
or
the
bill.
Thank
you.
L
In
your
scenario,
there
it
is
a
photo
id.
I
mean
I
I
couldn't
go
in
as
a
18
year
old
and
vote.
They
would
see
the
idea
that
I'm
not
the
18
year
old
and
so
just
like,
if
you
had
your
driver's
license,
the
photo
id
is
the
key
they're
going
to
see
if
you
are
who
you
represent
yourself
as
just
like
our
our
ids
issued
here.
J
J
J
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
representative
host
call
was
was
gonna,
recommend
that
as
well
got
a
session
for
mr
goins,
and
so
we
can
answer
those
with
any
objections.
We'll
go
to
session
and
hear
from
coordinator
elections.
Mark
goins.
A
And
I
guess
first
up
is,
I
guess,
introduce
yourself
again.
H
You
are
correct
that
if
someone
has
a
state
id
that
state
id
would
work
and
so
an
intern
if
they
have
an
id
that
has
their
photo
on
it
and
if
it's
issued
by
the
state,
then
that
that
id
would
be
acceptable
under
state
law.
J
J
J
E
H
H
So
how
the
exception
got
in
there
I'll
tell
you
how
they
said.
I
know
the
history.
The
history
was
former
representative
todd
and
representative
watson
and
they
came
from
they.
They
spoke
from
the
avenue
of
law
enforcement,
saying
they'd,
seen
falsified
ids,
not
for
voting
purposes,
but
for
other
purposes
and
and
that's
how
the
exception
came
in
there.
It
wasn't
something
that
it
was
something
that
the
committee
back
in
2011
when
the
law
passed
they
put
in
the
state
and
local
that
that's
as
far
as
integrity
of
the
ids.
That's
that's.
A
A
Student
ids
cover
foreigners,
students,
they
cover
students
from
out
of
state
from
other
counties,
it
may
be
registered
another
county
and
that
security
is
a
major
issue
that
it
could
slip
through
the
system.
So
I
no
other
id.
I
believe
you
don't
have
a
tennessee
driver's
license.
You
can
have
a
temporary
permit
or
you
can
get
a
license,
but
mainly
there's
so
many
foreign
students
and
so
many
students
registered
elsewhere
that
it
opens
the
door.
I
think
that's
part
of
the
the
issue
at
hand.
Chairman
williams,.
K
I
I
appreciate
my
good
friend
from
davidson
county.
I
I
think
the
just
as
a
clarification
state
issue
id
as
it
relates
to
the
intent
the
verb
verbiage.
That's
in
the
law
applies
to
a
state
issue
id
meaning
it
was
issued
by
a
state
entity.
K
In
this
instance,
institutions
of
higher
learning
are
outposts
of
the
state,
but
they
are
not
they're
not
for
the
very
purpose
of
of
issuing
a
state
id.
Am
I
correct,
I
mean
because
you
could
have
you
under
the
premise
that
being
touted
here
today,
an
18
year
old
football,
high
school
student
could
could
use
his
student
id
at
couple
high
school
to
to
go
and
vote
because
it's
printed
in
the
state.
K
H
Yeah
well,
the
main
reason
I
can
remember
they
were
excluded
and
actually
chairman
rudd
is
correct.
There
was
some
some
concerns
about
the
fact:
if
someone's,
not
a
united
states,
citizen
but
they're,
going
to
state
school
or
or
private
school,
but
state
school
was
the
conversation
more
that
they
could
get
one
of
these
ids.
H
So
I
don't
remember
your
specific
thing
being
raised
throughout
the
years.
There
is
a
free
id
that
someone
can
get.
These
students
can
get
a
free
id
if
they
don't
have
a
driver's
license.
But
representative
love
is
correct
in
order
to
get
the
free
id
or
to
get
a
driver's
license.
You
do
have
to
surrender
your
driver's
license
from
another
state,
but
the
reason
you're
doing
that
you
have
to
surrender
it
is,
is
because
you're
saying
I'm
a
resident
of
the
state.
H
The
fact
that
someone
goes
to
college
here
it
doesn't
mean
they're,
so
you're
you're
a
resident
here.
You
know
you
you
choose
where
you
want
to
live
people.
You
know
we
have
folks
that
have
home
in
florida
and
home
that
in
tennessee
will
college
students
very
similar.
You
may
have
you
know
you
may
be
from
alabama.
That
may
be
your
home
and
that's
what
you
call
home
and
if
you
don't
want
to
give
up
your
driver's
license
from
alabama,
then
the
state
tennessee
is
going
to
say.
H
Well,
we
don't
recognize
you
as
a
resident
here
until
you
say
you
want
to
surrender
it
and
actually
that's
the
issue
that
comes
up.
You've
got
some
folks
that
want
to
vote
in
tennessee,
but
they
don't
want
to
give
up
their
driver's
license
and
there
may
be
outside
interests
why
they
don't
want
to
do
that.
They
may
lose
a
scholarship,
sometimes
there's
a
local
scholarship.
You
know
you
have
to
be
a
resident
of
alabama,
but
you
know
the
fact
they
register
here
might
throw
them
off
anyway.
H
But
but
that's
there
is
a
free
idea.
I
don't
want
anyone
to
lose
sight
of
that
that
someone
can
get,
but
you
do
have
to
surrender
your
driver's
license
to
even
get
the
free
id.
Thank.
A
You
we
are
still
we're
out
of
session,
but
we're
still
on
the
amendment
so
and
I
believe
when
we're,
I
believe,
when
we're
out
of
session
the
sponsor
doesn't
speak
or
do
do
they.
A
I
didn't
think
they
did.
We
have
one
more
question.
I
believe,
if
representative
charles
still
wants
to
ask
a
question,
have
a
session.
Okay,.
H
D
D
How
could
there
be
any
voter
fraud?
I
guess
then
in
student
id
investigation,
because
they
got
to
be
registered
to
vote
before
they
can
even
use
the
id.
I
I
don't
see.
I
see
the
same
principle
as
anybody
else
here,
because
I
normally
show
my
driver's
license
sometime
when
I
go
to
vote,
but
I'm
a
registered
voter.
H
Right,
I
think
the
question
might
be
where
they're
actually
domiciled
you
know
and-
and
I'm
not,
I
don't
think,
I'm
speaking
against
the
bill,
because
I'm
not
speaking
against
the
bill.
This
is
a
policy
decision
that
you
all
get
to
make.
Obviously,
but
I
think
the
situation
is
the
concern
you
know
somebody's
in
alabama.
They
consider
that
their
home,
they
won't
give
up
their
driver's
license.
Well,
they
ought
to
vote
in
alabama
because
that's
where
they
consider
their
home
and
and
I
you
know,
college
students.
H
What
we
tell
people
particularly
constants,
they
need
to
talk
sometimes
to
their
parents,
because
what
will
happen?
Some
folks
will
register
to
vote
in
tennessee
and
then
their
parents
find
out
about
it
and
there
may
be
another
reason
why
they
shouldn't
have
and
and
sometimes
it's
these
residents,
these
scholarships
other
times.
It's
it's
other
things,
but
are
the
you
know,
college
students
is
it's
it's
a
unique
animal.
D
I
guess
I'm
just
thinking
that,
but
if
you
it's,
it's
the
responsibility
of
the
election
commission
office
to
make
sure
that
if
someone
is
registered
to
vote,
they
are
who
they
are
and
where
they
live,
and
all
of
that
I
I'm
I'm
trying
to
find
out
where
the
fraud
would
be
in
in
the
id
part.
If
you
are
registered
to
vote
you
know,
maybe
there
are
some
people
registered
to
vote
more
than
one
state.
I
don't
know,
and
maybe
they
do.
But
that's
that's
another
story.
A
L
Just
wanted
to
clarify
for
chairman
williams:
he
used
the
analogy
of
somebody
at
the
high
school.
This
is
specifically
for
an
accredited
post-secondary
state
institutions,
so
the
the
the
the
high
school
id
is
not
going
to
work
with
this
bill.
A
All
right
any
any
any
more
questions
to
the
sponsor
on
the
amendment,
all
right,
if
not
we're
voting
on
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed,
nay,
no.
A
A
L
No,
mr
chairman,
other
than
you
know,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
it
easier
and
get
our
numbers
up
for
for
voting.
You
know
we
we
are
slacking
on,
even
though
we're
great
in
security.
We
want
more
people
to
vote
and
and
by
doing
that,
we're
just
making
it
easier
to
vote
and
more
accessible.
I
don't
think
there's
any
security
threat
here
and
I
would
I
would
ask
for
your
support.
A
Any
seeing
no
further
questions
we're
ready
to
vote
on
the
bill.
Saying
no
objections
we're
here
by
voting
on
the
bill
as
amended
hb
1283,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed,
nay,
nay,
bill
fails,
lack
of
a
majority.
A
Next
is,
let's
see
item
number
four
hb
1634
by
representative
griffey.
G
A
Please
tell
us
about
your
bill.
I'd
like
motion
a
second.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I'd
request
a
roll
call
vote
on
this
too.
Please,
if
I
may,
chairman
and
member
of
the
committee
house
bill
1634
what
it's
not
is
a
vote
for
or
against
legalization
of
marijuana.
What
the
bill
simply
would
do
would
put
on
the
ballot
the
november
20
20
2022
ballot.
Three
questions
for
the
voter
to
select
the
first
question
would
be:
should
the
state
of
tennessee
legalize
medical
marijuana,
yes
or
no?
G
G
The
reason
I
propose
this
bill
is,
I
have
a
number
of
constituents
on
both
sides
of
this
fence,
I'm
I'm
a
pretty
conservative
legislator
and
I'm
probably
going
against
a
lot
of
conservative
base
supporters
I
have,
but
when
I
took
the
oath
to
represent
everyone
in
the
district,
I
I
feel,
like
I've,
got
an
obligation
to
hear
everybody's
voices
and
bring
everybody's
matters
to
to
this
body's
attention
for
consideration
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
I
think
strongly
feel
like.
G
The
problem,
I
think
many
of
us
have
run
into
depending
on
who
you
ask
you're,
going
to
get
a
different
set
of
numbers.
Whether
tennesseans
want
this
or
don't
want
that
and
there's
so
many
there's
financial
interests
that
are
involved.
Political
interests
are
involved
and
to
me
the
people,
I
trust
the
most
are
the
voters,
and
this
is
simply
a
public
opinion
poll
that
the
voters
get
to
participate
in
and
express
their
opinion
on
the
matter.
These
three
questions,
it's
non-binding.
It
just
has
no
effect.
G
The
general
assembly
can
simply
ignore
it
or
do
nothing,
but
this
is
a,
I
think,
a
very
inexpensive
way
for
the
general
assembly
to
take
the
temperature
of
the
tennessee
voters,
how
they
would
like
us
what
action,
if
any,
they
would
like
us
to
take
in
regards
to
these
this
controversial
political
topic
and
with
that
I'd,
move
passage
of
the
bill.
Please.
K
Thank
you.
You've
had
a
busy
day
today,
representative
griffey.
I
appreciate
your
hard
work.
Many
people
may
not
remember
this,
but
I
actually
had
a
loved
one
who
passed
away
from
a
long
battle
with
prostate
cancer
and
very
passionate
about
the
idea
of
medical
marijuana,
but
not
as
it
relates
to
anything
else,
but
only
for
those
that
are
terminally
ill.
K
I
like
the
idea
or
the
premise
behind
your
bill,
but
I
can
show
you
all
kinds
of
empirical
data
as
it
relates
to
polls
taken
by
private
private
interest,
crews,
private
other
folks,
as
I
shared
with
you
and
and
those
who
came
to
see
my
office
on
the
beginning.
K
I
was
like
well
what's
wrong
with
asking
a
question,
which
is,
I
guess
why
you're
here
today,
the
problem
is,
is
that
the
attorney
general
has
a
ruling
and
and-
and
it
kind
of
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
concern-
I
kind
of
see
what
the
attorney
general's
ruling
was
for,
but
in
his
ruling
in
october,
12th
of
2006
opinion
number
6-163.
K
Think
the
summary
of
it
is
what
gives
me
great
concern,
and
that
is,
however,
the
his
office
has
opined.
K
The
general
assembly
has
the
authorized
the
constitutional
power
to
authorize
local
governments
to
have
to
hold
referendums,
but
that,
but-
and
it
was
in
response
to
another
attorney
general
ruling-
that
says
that
unless
you
were
doing
putting
on
about
a
referendum
that
effectuates
an
end
and
a
poll
is
not
an
end,
meaning
an
action
like
we
did
with
yes
on
yes
on
one
as
it
relates
to
the
rights
of
the
unborn,
those
effectuated
as
change
or
an
end,
not
a
fact-finding
mission
to
see
where
the
electorate
are.
K
For
that
reason,
I'm
I'm
not
very
supportive
of
of
your
bill.
I
understand
what
you
want
to
do,
but
I
think
there's
private
means
by
which
individuals
and
businesses
and
and
different
groups
can
go
out
and
and
find
out
this
information
or
find
out
this
data
through
polling
like
we
would
do
for
our
campaigns.
K
But
but
when
the
only
other
thing
that
really
concerns
me
is
the
questions
are
so
narrow
and
so
few,
the
the
the
end
doesn't
justify
the
means,
because
I
think
what
would
happen
is
you
wouldn't
effectuate
an
end,
but
at
the
end
of
the
process,
you'd
only
have
more
questions
right
so,
and
so
my
concern
is
that
we
really
don't
want
to
use
the
election
process
for
an
ability
to
to
find
polls.
One
time
if
we,
if
you
said
this,
shall
never
ever
happen
again
in
the
state
of
tennessee
history.
K
I'd
probably
be
more
favorable
towards
your
bill,
but
but
I
understand
what
that
is-
and
I
understand
and-
and
I
actually
appreciate
the
fact
as
I
do
my
my
district
is
not
all
one
one
side
of
the
aisle
and
all
won
the
or
all
one.
The
other
was
pretty
pretty
mill
the
road
I
mean
the
majority
of
my
voters
are,
and
so
I
recognize
that
you're
trying
to
support
and
fact
find
fewer
folks,
but
there
might
be
a
better
way
to
do
it.
But
I
appreciate
you
bringing
the
bill.
K
I
I
I
think
it
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
the
things
that
do
get
to
an
end.
As
my
fellow
chairman
has
pointed
out.
I
A
yes
or
no
or
an
up
and
down
or
picking
candidates,
to
fill
elected
positions,
and
then
last
and
most
important
to
me
is
that
I
have
constituents
that
work
at
department
of
energy
at
oak
ridge,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
the
world
cluttered
up
with
something
that
speaking
at
a
recreational
marijuana,
could
cause
them
to
get
sort
of
misinformed
and
then
lose
their
employment
with
the
federal
government.
So,
ultimately,
right
now
we
sit
with.
I
G
If
I
may
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
you
know
look
I
I
recognize
that
reasonable
minds
can
have
differences
of
opinion
on
this.
To
me,
this
just
seems
like
the
most
efficient
cost,
effective
way
for
tennesseans
to
actually
weigh
in
on
this
issue.
G
So
if
you
we
let
the
citizens
of
tennessee
know
that
these
three
questions
are
going
to
be
on
the
ballot.
I
feel
extremely
confident
the
word
will
completely
get
out.
It's
non-binding,
but
at
least
it
gives
them
an
opportunity
to.
Let
us
know
how
they
feel
about
these
three
questions
and
then
what
happens
after
that
would
be
up
to
the
legislatures
of
the
future
assemblies.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
couple
of
things:
one
tennessee
already
has
a
form
of
legalized
medical
marijuana
in
the
form
of
the
oil
base
that
they
can
take,
which
does
the
exact
same
thing
as
what
your
question
would
ask
about
legalization.
It
says
nothing
about
how
it's
distributed,
how
it's
taken.
So
I
would
assume
the
question
would
lead
people
to
think
that
we're
talking
about
rolling
up
the
marijuana
and
smoking
it
number
two.
G
Oh
yes,
I
would
defer
to
legal.
Of
course
I
think
it's
a
schedule,
six
on
the
federal
schedule,
but
it
may
be
schedule
one
under
the
tennessee
schedule.
I
think
those
schedules
flip,
but
I
defer
to
legal
on
that.
G
I
think,
mr
chairman,
and
as
I'm,
not
certainly
not
an
expert
on
marijuana
law,
but
I
do
believe
that
on
the
federal
schedule
it
is
a
federal
schedule.
One
drug.
E
E
You,
mr
chairman,
and
so
to
me
this
is
a
federal
issue
and
they
they're
the
people
that
need
to
make
those
type
of
decisions,
not
not
the
state,
especially
on
the
decriminalization
part
of
it.
Coming
from
my
district,
where
one
side
of
the
street
is
virginia
and
one
side
of
the
street
is
tennessee
and
it's
decriminalized
in
virginia,
you
can
stand
over
and
smoke
a
joint,
but
if
you
go
across
the
street,
they
put
you
in
jail.
E
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
areas
that
I
think
that
could
be
looked
at
differently
on
this
particular
bill
and
going
back
to
what
my
fellow
representative
from
the
knox
county
area
was
saying,
we
have
a
hard
time
getting
people
to
vote
past
the
presidential
election
and
a
few
state
elections,
and
now
we're
going
to
clutter
up
the
ballot
with
even
more
questions.
And
where
does
this
end
I
mean?
Are
we
going
to
have
a
a
a
question
on
the
next
ballot
says:
do
you
like
blue
paint
or
yellow
paint?
D
A
The
any
any
other
comments
only
as
if
we,
as
we've
discussed
that
the
only
comments
I've
had
is
less
on
marijuana
but
more
on
the
ballot,
putting
it
on
the
ballot
in
washington,
state,
they've,
legalized,
ballots,
questions
which
they
call
push
polls
on
all
the
ballots
and
two-thirds
of
city
council,
ballots
and
state
ballots
are
questions
and
what
it
it's.
This
clip,
literally
cluttering
the
ballots
in
washington,
state
and
they've
had
a
nightmare
with
it,
and
I'm
afraid
this
will
lead
to
that.
A
G
Questions
like
this
for
a
public
policy
poll
are
not
going
to
get
on
the
ballot
unless
a
majority
of
the
house
and
general
assem
senate
approve
the
governor
signs
it.
So
it's
going
to
take
an
act
of
the
legislature
before
anything
like
this
is
going
to
get
on
the
ballot
in
the
future.
So
I
think,
that's
you
know
pretty
significant
burden,
particularly
with
concerns.
A
lot
of
folks
have
so
and
one
other
issue.
G
We've
we've
seen
at
least
one
attorney
general
indicate
publicly
that
he's
not
going
to
prosecute
marijuana
laws
and
my
concern
being
a
lawyer
and
you
know
being
involved.
My
entire
professional
career
have
been
a
lot
one
of
the
most
damaging
things
I
think
we
can
do
is
have
laws
that
aren't
enforced
or
picked
from.
I
think
that
gives
a
terrible
lesson
to
our
public
that
there's
certain
laws
that
are
going
to
be
prosecuting
certain
ones
that
won't
you
know
if
we,
as
a
general
assembly,
pass
a
law.
G
I
think
we
expect
them
to
be
enforced
as
we
direct.
If
we
unhappy
with
the
law,
we
ought
to
try
to
change
it,
and
you
know
you've
got
somebody
that
can
be
prosecuted
for
smoking,
marijuana
in
tennessee,
rolling,
a
joint
and
then
walks
across
the
street
to
virginia
he's.
Not
you
know
the
the
feds
are
going
to
do
what
the
feds
are
going
to
do.
We
can't
control
them.
We
are
a
state
we
are
sovereign.
G
The
federal
government
has
indicated
from
the
number
of
states
have
passed
legalization
of
marijuana.
I
think
illinois
was
recently
one
of
them
that
they're
not
going
to
be
a
an
enforcement
of
the
federal
controlled
substances.
Act
is
at
least
regard
to
marijuana,
particularly
medical
marijuana
use
recreational
marijuana
use,
so
I
would
I
submit
it
to
this
committee.
That's
that's.
All
I
can
do
is
bring
the
issues
up
here
and
have
you
all
vote
on
them.
D
D
A
That
wasn't
a
question
from
chairman
williams
from
putnam
county.
That
was
my
statement
that
in
washington
state
okay,
that
they
allow
it
on
the
municipal,
ballots
and
state
and
they're
cluttering
the
ballots,
and
I
told
the
sponsor
that
I
was
afraid
that
if
we
did
this
once
it
was
going
to
lead
to
a
precedent
where
we'll
start
doing
this
more
and
more
often,
and
maybe
to
legalize
it
statewide.
C
This
quick,
I
think
you
know
representative
griffey.
I
had
said
to
you
that
and
I
still
support
the
citizens
deciding,
but
when
I
ran
that
by
the
knox
county
election
commission
just
to
get
their
take
on
it,
I
kind
of
went
up
against
the
process
we
were
going
to
use.
So
I
just
because
I
told
you
I
would
support
that.
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
that
I
do
support
the
citizens
of
the
state
deciding,
but
the
process
is
like
many
other
people's,
where
I'm
just
kind
of
at
odds.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
question
on
the
bill.
Saying
no
objections,
we'll
have
a
roll
call
vote
request.
Madam
secretary,
take
the
roll
yes
or
no.
E
A
Oh
by
the
way
this,
since
this
was
the
excuse
me
since
this
was
the
the
second
roll,
it
automatically
goes
to
final
calendar
for
reconsideration.
A
A
A
Day,
let's
see.
A
I
want
to
ask
everyone
due
to
time
restraints
we
have
about
eight.
I
have
eight
to
nine
minutes.
We
got
two
more
bills.
We
got.
We
got
representative
wright,
hb,
2764
and
my
bill
of
1883..
Do
we
want
to
proceed
but
we're
going
to
be
limited?
A
We
have
a
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
proceed
as
long
as
we
can,
but
we
have
approximately
nine
minutes
to
finish.
Next.
Up
is
hb
2764
by
representative
wright.
B
A
What
I
have
all
those
their
motion
and
their
motion
in
second-
oh
excuse
me.
I
have
a
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment.
A
Second,
I
have
a
motion
to
have
a
second
on
the
amendment
and
we
have
a
motion
on
the
amendment
question
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
the
commitment
aye.
The
amendment
is
on
the
bill.
Please
tell
us
about
your
amended
bill.
2764.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
major
change
of
the
amendment
is
to
make
the
requirement
for
being
elected,
senator
or
representative
to
the
federal
government
be
three
year
residency
as
opposed
to
voting
in
the
past
three
elections.
That's
the
major
change
of
the
bill.
A
Any
questions
on
the
bill
see
no
questions.
We
have
a
question
on
the
bill.
Also,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amended
bill,
2764,
say:
aye
aye
opposed,
nay
bill
passes
on
the
full
local.
A
Oh
yeah,
I've
got
to
present
my
bill.
So
I'm
past
the
gavel
to
chairman
crawford.