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House Public Service Subcommittee - March 24, 2021 - House Hearing Room 4
A
A
C
Madam
chairman,
it's
coded
zero,
zero.
Five,
two
one
five
is.
C
You,
madam
chairman,
this
is
a
very
straightforward
bill
that
I've
worked
on
with
the
treasurer's
office.
This
would
take
the
contribution
that
the
state
puts
in
for
the
401k
match
from
50
to
75
dollars
for
state
employees
that
choose
to
go
through
a
very,
very
limited.
What
is
probably
going
to
be
an
online
training
on
how
to
best
invest
those
dollars?
A
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
and
committee.
I
do
have
there's
two
amendments
that
I've
filed,
but
if
you,
if
you
don't
mind,
indulging
me
just
one
second,
I
want
to
explain
what
the
bill
does
as
filed.
Okay,.
A
A
D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
so
house
bill
1436
is
in
response
to
a
federal
supreme
court
decision
talking
about
redistricting
challenges.
So,
as
we
know,
we've
got
redistricting
coming
up
and
what
the
supreme
court
has
opined
is
that
any
you
know,
gerrymandering
challenges
that
come
up
need
to
be
handled
by
the
states
and
tennessee
currently
does
not
have
a
process
to
do
that.
Many
of
you
may
remember
this
bill
passed
on
the
house
floor
last
year,
creating
a
three-judge
panel
to
hear
those
redistricting
challenges,
that's
what
the
bill
does
as
filed.
D
A
D
You,
madam
chair,
so
so,
while
I
was
doing
my
research
on
this
three
judge
panel
concept
I
came
across
and
many
people
are
very
familiar
with
how
north
carolina
deals
with
challenges
to
the
constitutionality
of
things.
So
I
discovered
that
the
three
judge
panels
have
been
used
elsewhere
to
hear
what
are
called
facial
challenges
on
the
validity
validity
of
state
law
and
facial
challenges
seek
to
discredit
the
legislature's
action
as
unconstitutional
across
the
board,
rather
than
unconstitutional,
as
it
may
be
applied
to
a
specific
person.
D
It
seemed
appropriate
to
me
to
include
these
facial
challenges
under
the
jurisdiction
of
this
three-judge
panel.
Were
we
to
create
one
in
tennessee,
because
these
important
legal
questions
with
statewide
implications
really
should
be
heard
by
a
panel
of
judges
across
the
state,
rather
than
just
one
particular
chancellor,
from
one
particular
city
or
one
particular
area.
So
the
idea
there
would
take
these
facial
challenges
to
a
statewide
panel,
again
modeled
on
what
north
carolina
does
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
E
Thank
you
chair,
lady
and
chairman.
Have
there
been
any
challenges
coming
out
of
north
carolina
during
with
with
their
makeup,
if
you
will
of
of
how
this
is
working
over
there
and
that's
not
the
proper
term,
but
anyway,
you
know
where
I'm
going
with
the
any
challenges.
That's
that's
been
that's
coming
out
of
there.
D
Thanks
man,
it's
my
understanding
that
north
carolina
has
a
pretty
good
process.
I
have
been
working
with
our
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
here
in
tennessee.
I
know
they're
here
this
morning.
We
we
definitely
you
know
a
lot
of
this
language
that
I've
got
is
borrowed
from
the
north
carolina
statute,
but
our
system
doesn't
work
exactly
the
same
way.
D
E
D
Sure
so
a
facial
challenge
means
that
something
that
the
legislature
did
was
just
outright
unconstitutional
across
the
board,
as
opposed
to
unconstitutional,
as
it's
applied
in
one
particular
case
or
one
particular
person.
So
it's
it's
somebody
just
saying
outright.
We
we
challenge
the
constitutionality
of
this
whole
cloth.
Okay,.
E
A
E
You
excuse
me
for
my
final
question
chairman
so
so
we're
talking
about
then
one
from
each
grand
division
then.
Is
that
the
way
just
just
to
clarify
for
the
record?
That's.
E
F
D
So
I'm
sorry
you're
recognizing
thank
you
ma'am,
so
just
reading
from
from
the
amendment,
you
know
when
action
described
in
subdivision,
a1
or
a
challenge
described
and
so
forth.
As
filed
a
personal
entity
filing
the
actions
will
provide
notice
of
complaint,
presiding
judge,
the
judicial
district,
which
will
serve
as
the
presiding
judge
of
the
three
judge
panel
required
by
subsection
a
upon
receipt
of
notice.
The
complaint,
the
presiding
judge,
shall
notify
the
supreme
court,
who
shall,
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
court,
appoint
two
additional
trial
court
judges.
D
F
Okay,
I
got
I
understand
and
there's
no
fiscal
note
on
this,
so
when
the
judges,
the
appellate
judges,
leave
their
division.
One
of
my
concerns
is
that
I'm
not
sure
what
the
docket
is
going
to
look
like
and
if
there's
a
large
docket,
then
I'm
taking
these
judges
out
of
their
roles
and
bring
them
to
this
tribunal.
F
F
Now,
when
these
judges
appoint
a
tribunal,
knowing
that
whoever
they
appoint
is
going
to
come
back
to
them
in
an
appeal
and
the
circumstance
at
that
point
calls
into
question.
I
think
the
independence
and
the
integrity
and
partiality
of
the
judges
that
appoint
people
they're
going
to
come
back
to
them.
F
To
me
it
it
challenges
the
the
independent
judiciary
of
being
separate
and
they're,
just
cross-referencing,
each
other,
appointing
people
that
know
they're
going
to
come
right
back
to
them.
If
that
makes
sense,
chairman
thank.
D
F
D
F
It's
like
they'd
have
to
accuse
themselves
for
people
they
appointed
to
rule
something
now
I've
gotta
anyway.
I
I
think
it's
a
concern
with
the
way
the
way
it's
written,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
unknowns
on
this.
I'm
probably
gonna
have
to
be
a
no
on
your
vote,
but
thank
you
for
listening
to
me
sure.
D
Again,
I
would
just
say
speaking
really
to
the
motive
of
the
bill
as
we
we
started.
Our
research
and
looking
at
there
are
more
and
more
challenges
to
constitutionality
of
statutes,
and
I
think
we've
seen
what
the
perceived
unfairness
when
we've
arbitrarily
picked.
You
know
a
specific
chancellor
in
a
specific
part
of
the
state
to
hear
these
challenges
just
because
they're
in
the
middle
of
the
state
or
they're,
you
know
someplace
else
so
for
facial
challenges
which
again
would
have
would
have
statewide
ramifications.
E
A
D
You
so
much
I
I
would
renew
my
motion
I'll
just
say
that
again
now,
as
amended,
not
only
have
we
taken
care
of
the
supreme
court,
this
federal
supreme
court
ruling
that
states
should
handle
any
sort
of
redistricting
challenges,
but
now
also
as
the
bill
as
amended
would
handle
those
facial
constitutional
challenges
as
well.
B
D
B
F
I
get,
I
guess,
I'm
looking
there.
There
is
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
note
and
but
if
they're
going
to
bring
their
staff
with
them,
then
then
the
appellate
courts,
where
they're
usually
at,
are
going
to
have
a
docket,
that's
going
to
be
backed
up
now
for
people
to
be
waiting
because
they've
been
moved
another
venue.
A
A
A
G
This
amendment
just
allows
the
comptroller
of
the
treasury
on
his
discretion
to
to
based
on
the
united
states,
senator
bureau
delay
in
releasing
the
results
of
the
2020
federal
census,
and
that's
just
given
him
the
authority
to
do
that,
because
we
don't
know
when
they're
going
to
be
coming
down
and
we
gotta.
We
got
to
put
something
in
place
before
we're
out
of
date
on
this
to
do
the
redistricting.
A
A
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
do
you
have
an
amendment.
Thank.
H
H
You,
madam
chair
members,
I
would
ask
for
your
indulgence.
Typically,
we
don't
like
lengthy
presentations,
but
there
is
no
way
for
a
topic
like
this.
For
me
to
be
brief,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
I
provide
context
and
detail,
so
I
would
just
ask
for
your
patience
as
I
provide
you
with
a
a
somewhat
lengthy
presentation.
H
Members.
The
piece
of
legislation
we're
going
to
discuss
today
is
the
result
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
work.
Over
the
summer.
Our
ad
hoc
was
organized
as
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
study
the
current
authority
granted
to
the
executive
branch
of
government
with
regard
to
declaring
a
state
of
emergency
and
the
powers
granted
to
the
executive
branch
during
a
state
of
emergency.
H
H
It
will
become
apparent
and
very
clear,
as
we
found
out
as
an
ad
hoc
committee,
how
measured
and
steady
he
has
been
because
the
way
the
current
statute
is
drafted,
the
only
limitation
on
our
executive
branch
on
our
governor
is
that
he
cannot
touch
our
guns
during
a
state
of
emergency
and
for
some
that
may
create
a
chuckle.
That's
kind
of
what
kind
of
was
our
response
as
a
committee,
but
the
only
limitation.
The
only
limitation
on
a
governor
during
a
state
of
emergency
through
tca
582107,
is
that
he
cannot
touch
our
weapons.
H
A
state
of
emergency
and
the
executive
order
cannot
go,
cannot
be
extended
for
longer
than
60
days,
but
it
can
be
renewed
at
the
governor's
discretion.
So
it's
important
to
remember.
We
were
one
of
the
last
states
to
have
any
kind
of
kind
of
closed
down.
We
were
one
of
the
first
states
to
open
back
up
april
27th.
We
have
had
very
few
statewide
mandates.
H
Many
of
the
restrictions
we
we
face.
The
restrictions
we
currently
face
in
knox
county
are
a
result
of
the
health
board,
which
is
a
whole
other
issue
that
the
house
has
already
dealt
with.
But
again
it
is
important
to
remember
that
our
governor
could
have
taken
tremendous
and
enormous
steps
in
a
in
a
very
tyrannical
fashion
in
our
state,
but
he
did
not
do
that.
This
work
of
this
committee
is
to
ensure
that
whomever
the
next
executive
is
either
eight
years
from
now
10
years
from
now
20
years.
H
So
it's
extremely
important
to
understand
that
that
is
a
that
put
to
put
that
into
context.
That
is
what
we're
discussing
today.
That
says.
No.
This
is
zero
reflection
on
our
current
governor
because
he
has
done
a
fantastic
job
in
leading
us
through
an
absolutely
unprecedented
time,
but
it
is
important
that
we
protect
the
future
of
our
state
from
a
governor
who
may
want
to
make
different
decisions
and
would
have
the
absolute
ultimate
authority
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
let
me
walk
briefly
through
the
recommendations
of
our
ad
hoc
committee.
H
Let
me
just
give
you
a
quick
makeup
of
that
committee.
It
was
deputy
speaker
johnson,
chairman
boyd,
chairman
hazelwood,
chairman
howe,
vice
chairman
hurt
chairman
moody,
chairman
reagan,
representative
clemens,
freeman,
lamar
and
shaw,
and
what
you
were
getting
ready
to
hear
today
the
recommendations
on
our
recommendations.
As
an
ad
hoc
committee
for
tca
582-107
had
the
unanimous,
unanimous
support
of
the
house
members
of
that
ad
hoc
committee,
so
let
me
walk
you
through
this
quickly
as
quickly
as
I
can,
and
I
will
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
again.
That
amendment
was
drafting
code
4316..
H
H
We
went
back
and
looked
and
for
the
last
30
years,
any
state
of
emergency
related
to
a
natural
disaster
or
security
threat,
the
longest
executive,
the
longest
state
of
emergency
we
could
find
was
30
days
and
that
was
under
governor
bredesen
during
the
nashville
floods.
Typically,
state
of
emergencies
on
a
state
level
are
extremely
short,
but
during
this
pandemic
we
have
now
set
a
precedent
that
has
to
be
addressed
because
we're
now
12
months
into
a
state
of
emergency.
H
While
we
have
very
few
executive
orders
and
very
few
restrictions,
except
in
our
metro
area,
we
have
still
set
a
precedent
that
a
state
of
emergency
can
be
extended
forever
and
ever
amen,
and
that's
part
of
what
we're
addressing
here.
So
everything
that
I'm
going
to
mention
will
be
a
new
section
within
tca
582107.
H
That
only
applies
during
a
health,
emergency
or
health
crisis,
natural
disaster,
security
threats,
those
are
untouched
governor
needs
flexibility
needs
to
be
able
to
maneuver
maneuver
through
those
quickly
those
remain
untouched.
This
simply
has
to
do
with
a
public
health,
emergency
or
health
crisis.
H
So,
first,
when
a
when
a
state
of
emergency
is
declared,
a
legislative
council
will
immediately
be
created
that
legislative
council
ex
will
exist
to
forex
ficio
members.
The
in
this
there's
there's
a
legislative
council
for
each
chamber,
so
you
will
have
the
speaker
of
each
chamber,
the
majority
leader,
the
minority
leader
and
the
majority
caucus
chairman
each
speaker
will
then
appoint
three
additional
members,
one
from
each
grand
division,
so
that
will
give
you
a
total
of
seven
members
on
the
legislative
council.
H
First.
The
first
recommendation
from
our
committee
is
that-
and
this
is
one
of
the
most
basic-
that
most
states
have
a
state
of
emergency
state
of
emergency
can
be
terminated
at
any
time
through
a
joint
resolution
by
the
body
period
recommendation.
One
recommendation
two
within
this
legislation
is
that
at
the
30-day
mark
it's
a
30-day
mark
of
a
state
of
emergency
the
and
we
are
not
in
session.
The
body
is
not
in
session.
H
The
legislative
council
at
the
30-day
mark
has
the
ability
to
to
begin
a
five-day
review
with
the
executive
branch
and
at
the
end
of
that
five-day
review,
they
can
choose
to
basically
put
a
stay
on
that
state
of
emergency
until
the
entire
body
can
come
in
for
additional
action.
That
is
if
we
are
not
in
session
that
gives
us
it
gives
us
an
option
that
is
only
an
option.
It
is
not
a
requirement
in
this
legislation.
At
the
30-day
mark,
we
have
the
ability
the
option
to
be
able
to
step
in
number
three.
H
This
legislation
says
that
a
state
of
emergency
cannot
extend
beyond
60
days
period.
If
we
are
not
in
session
the
legislative
council,
can
it
can
provide
for
a
15-day
extension
until
the
entire
body
can
come
in
to
address
the
state
of
emergency,
so
a
state
of
emergency
cannot
extend
beyond
60
days.
If
we
are
not
in
session,
the
legislative
council
can
extend
that
stay
after
working
with
the
executive
branch
until
the
entire
body
can
come
in
for
a
third
is
reporting.
H
This
legislation
requires
the
executive
branch
to
give
our
body
a
24-hour
notice.
After
the
initial
executive
order
is
issued
for
each
additional
executive
order,
we're
provided
a
24-hour
notice
with
the
physical
note,
the
details
of
the
guidance
and
any
future
guidance
that
will
be
provided,
and
then.
Lastly,
this
requires
the
department
of
health
to
bi-weekly
come
before
the
government
ops
committee
to
provide
reporting
to
the
government
ops
committee
with
the
same
kind
of
detail,
fiscal
note
why
the
guidance
is
being
established
and
what
that
follow-up
guidance
may
be.
H
So
those
are
the
recommendations
that
our
committee
came
up
with
after
I
think
we
met
three
times
and
we
had
expert
testimony
from
everyone
from
chief
justice
koch,
former
chief
justice
koch,
general
gonzalez,
who
was
attorney
general
under
president
bush,
glenn
reynolds
from
university
of
tennessee,
our
our
current
general
slatery.
I
had
expert
testimony
and
extensive
meetings,
and
this
was
the
result
of
those
meetings,
and
so,
madam
chair,
that
was
as
brief
as
I
could
be,
while
providing
the
entire
context,
and
I
will
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
A
F
H
F
H
H
The
the
requirements
for
a
special
session
to
be
to
be
called
in
terms
of
the
governor
calling
or
the
number
of
members
that
have
to
sign
on
all
of
that
stays.
As
is
okay,.
A
H
E
Thank
you,
chair
later,
no
questions.
I
think
I
can
speak
on
behalf
of
all
of
us
sitting
around
in
this
committee
today
to
to
thank
you,
thank
you
and
all
those
that
took
the
time
to
to
work
this.
This
was
you
know.
This
is
very
difficult
and,
and
I'm
sure
time
consuming
and
chairman,
thank
you
so
much
for
for
all
that
you've
done.
Thank
you
appreciate.
A
H
H
H
Recognized
quickly
before
we
vote,
I
would
like
to
make
a
closing
statement.
If
I
may
absolutely.
H
A
I
Good
morning,
chair
lady
and
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
valerie
yancey
governor
lee's
deputy
director
of
legislation.
Our
arguments
for
this
are
very
similar
to
what
I
expressed
to
you
all
yesterday
on
house
bill
1347..
I
While
we
continue
to
hear
that
governor
lee
has
done
a
great
job,
and
I
certainly
believe
that
there
seems
to
be
a
question,
because
these
bills
are
all
going
to
into
effect
now
not
in
the
future.
So
we
we
feel
like
this
is
being
thrown
at
us
in
the
middle
of
what
we
are
still
in
a
global
pandemic
and
we
feel
like
this
is
not
the
time
to
go
down
a
path
until
we
can
get
this
fully
under
control
as
much
as
any
pandemic
can
be
put
under
control.
I
I
While
you
could
say
that
that
would
be,
the
group
would
make
a
suggestion
that
would
go
to
the
full
legislature
if
we
are
in
a
situation
where
the
legislature
cannot
call
themselves
into
session
because
numbers
are
affected,
then
what?
Where
does
that
leave
the
state?
And
where
does
that?
Leave
our
citizens?
I
And
while
this
does
not
specifically
this
talks
about
a
health
crisis
rather
than
a
natural
disaster,
such
as
an
earthquake
on
the
new
madrid
fault
that
could
absolutely
west
tennessee?
That
would
become
a
natural
health
disaster
under
any
of
the
situations.
That
would
happen
with
the
infrastructure.
I
So
while
it
might
not
be
this
legislature,
a
legislature
in
the
future
that
might
feel
a
little
more
zealous
on
how
they
do,
things
could
say
that
they
could
call
anybody
in
to
question
the
governor's
actions
when
you
poss
you
couldn't
possibly
get
here.
So
there
are
concerns
on
that
portion
as
well,
and
as
we
expressed
yesterday,
we
just
don't
feel
like
starting
this
right
now.
As
soon
as
the
bill
becomes
a
law
is,
is
very
helpful.
While
we
are
still
trying
to
deal
with
the
global
pandemic
on
the
state
level.
H
Do
madam
chair,
thank
you,
members.
There
is
an
amendment
that
you
will
see
in
the
full
committee.
This
is
gonna
be
part
of
my
closing
statement.
It
was
simply
my
error.
I
did
not
instruct
legal
in
the
enacting
clause
to
ensure
that
the
enacting
clause
says
when
this
current
state
of
emergency
ends.
This
piece
of
legislation
is
enacted,
and
so,
when
I
discussed
this
with
the
governor,
I
told
him
that
again
this
was
a
no
reflection
of
him
and
so
this
piece
of
legislation.
H
H
To
address
that
point,
there
was
the
testimony
regarding
the
legislative
council,
and
there
were
some
constitutionality
questions
regarding
the
legislative
council
being
able
to
stop
or
completely
eliminate
a
state
of
emergency,
and
that's
why
the
legislation
was
drafted
in
a
way
that
says
they
can
only
put
a
stay
on
it,
similar
to
what
government
ops
does.
They
can
only
put
a
stay
on
a
state
of
emergency
until
the
entire
body
can
be
called
back
in
and
then
the
six
again.
H
The
30-day
mark
that
I
mentioned
is
simply
optional
at
the
60-day
mark
at
the
60-day
mark,
the
legislative
council
has
the
ability
to
issue
extensions
working
with
the
executive
branch,
so
even
if
the
full
body,
god
forbid
something
terrible
happened,
even
if
the
fully
full
body
could
not
be
here
that
legislative
council
does
is
able
to
provide
an
extension.
So,
madam
chair,
let
me
be
just
like.
Let
me
really
really
really
transparent.
In
my
closing
statements,
the
governor
was
my
friend
before
he
became
governor.
My
relationship
with
bill
lee
predates
his
time
serving
as
governor.
H
I
love
him
as
a
person.
I
love
him
as
a
brother
in
christ
and
I
trust
his
leadership,
and
there
is
a
reason
that
I
was
made
chairman
of
this
committee
and
part
of
it
was
because
of
my
relationship
with
governor
lee,
because
I
think
that
the
speaker
knew
I
would
be
fair,
but
yet
seek
what
needed
to
be
done
to
address
the
future
of
this
state.
H
As
I
explained
in
tca
58
the
way
it
is
drafted
now
we
have
the
under
the
way
it's
drafted
right
now,
a
governor
could
do
anything
he
wants
to
do.
It
specifically
says
he
can
suspend
any
law
or
regulation
and
can
renew
a
state
of
emergency
every
60
days
at
his
discretion
there
is
no
limitation.
Every
person
that
testified
in
our
committee
said
there
was
no
limitation
on
what
he
could
do.
H
H
Many
of
many
of
us
were
involved
in
some
of
those
first
calls
we
heard
250
000
tennesseans
were
going
to
die,
hospitals
were
going
to
be
shut
down.
That
is
an
impossible
situation
in
which
to
lead
a
couple
of
weeks
later,
and
I
believe
it
was
sometime
in
april.
Many
of
us
were
on
a
call
with
a
with
an
institution
where
there
was
literally
disagreement
on
the
call
within
the
institution
about
what
the
numbers
were
going
to
look
like.
There
is
no
way
for
anybody
to
lead
through
an
impossible
situation
like
that.
H
The
numbers
continued
to
change
the
target,
continue
to
change
and
when
you
take
all
that
into
account
and
the
weight
of
of
making
a
decision
that
affects
the
livelihood
and
well-being
and
health
of
6.8
million
people,
and
then
you
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
how
the
governor
has
led.
He
should
be
commended
for
how
he
has
led
do
we
agree
with
every
decision
he's
made.
H
No,
absolutely
not,
and
I'm
not
saying
that,
but
you
take
his
work
as
a
whole
and
I
would
put
it
up
against
anybody,
anybody
any
governor
and
how
they
handled
this
pandemic.
So
it
was
important
for
me
because
of
my
relationship
with
the
governor.
I
wanted
to
make
that
very,
very
clear.
This
piece
of
legislation
is
in
no
way
a
reflection
on
him,
but
this
legislation
is
a
reflection
on
how
we
have
to
protect
our
state
and
the
constitutional
liberties
of
the
people
of
our
state
moving
forward.
H
This
has
to
be
passed,
and
this
has
to
be
enacted
because
the
precedent
has
been
set
and
again
the
next
person
whomever
leads.
This
state
may
not
be
as
measured
and
steady
and
may
be
moved
by
the
whims
and
the
flows
of
the
experts,
of
whatever
industry
it
may
be,
and
so
with
that
madam
chair,
I
will
rest
and
take
any
questions.
A
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
lady
and
committee.
I
bring
you
a
bill
brought
to
me
by
the
comptroller.
It
is
designed
to
save
our
state
money
and
in
recognition
of
the
fact
that
we
are
in
the
digital
age,
no
longer
ben
franklin's,
printing
press
age.
Essentially
what
this
bill
does
is
change
the
requirement
for
notices
to
be
published
for
hearings
where
state
agencies
or
government
entities
are
being
restructured,
continued
or
terminated,
which,
by
the
way,
is
the
function
of
the
government
operations
committee,
which
I
chair.
J
J
That's
how
much
notice
has
to
be
put
out.
It
would
save
our
state
68
000
a
year
or
more,
to
be
able
to
do
this
online
and
that's
what
this
bill
does.
It
simply
says
that
we
will
no
longer
spend
five
thousand
six
hundred
sixty
four
dollars
a
week,
putting
these
things
out
in
newspapers
across
the
state.
Instead,
we
will
publish
it
on
our
website.
With
that
explanation,
I
stand
ready
to
answer
questions.
A
A
A
K
It
is
drafting
code
4372
and
it
it
simply
includes
utility
districts.
Okay,.
K
Did
I
say
43.62,
I
meant
to
say
43.72,
oh
okay,
sorry,
okay,
so
the
bill
simply
was
brought
to
me
and
the
intent
of
the
le
the
legislation
is
that
that
government
employees
often
desire
to
change
their
employment
move
or
would
consider
a
change
in
employment
from
one
government
entity
to
another
government
entity.
K
So
in
many
cases
the
employees
have
invested
funds
into
a
retirement
system.
In
almost
all
cases,
the
local
county
or
state
government
has
allocated
or
invested
money
in
a
pension
system.
On
behalf
of
the
employee,
this
legislation
will
create
a
mechanism
to
allow
the
affected
government
entities
to
transfer
the
funds
invested
in
a
pension
system
to
the
employee.
K
When
the
employee
employee
changes
government
employment,
this
legislation
will
also
address
the
situation
where
some
employees
work
side
by
side,
but
some
of
those
employees
are
employed
by
state
government
and
other
employees
are
paid
by
the
county
government.
One
example
is
an
assistant
district
attorney
in
a
county.
K
Also,
this
legislation
is
enabling
legislation.
It
does
not
require
participation
by
any
government
employer,
so
it
is
permissible.
Employees,
transferring
between
state
government
and
local
county
government
entities
would
like
the
option
to
continue
in
a
pension
plan.
This
legislation
will
only
affect
government
entities
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
K
F
K
F
K
A
Okay:
we
are
now
voting
on
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment
signify
by
saying
I
I
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
The
amendment
is
on
the
bill
chairman
you're
recognized
on
the
bill
as
amended,
the
question
has
been
called
any
objection,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1540
to
state
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
bill
goes
to
state
full.
A
L
It's
early
in
the
morning.
My
bill
is
pretty
simple
house
bill.
700
says
that
the
executive
branch
or
mayor
local
branch,
executive
branch
cannot
use
police
power
to
enforce
an
executive
order
that
deals
with
three
constitutional
issues:
the
right
to
assemble
and
worship,
the
right
to
go
to
work
and
earn
a
living
and
the
right
to
move
around
this
state
unencumbered
by
government,
and
I
want
to
express
and
piggyback
off
of
of
what
chairman
zachary
said.
L
I
have
full
confidence
in
our
governor.
I
don't
know
who
the
next
governor
will
be.
I'm
not
worried
about
our
governor.
He
is
a
just
a
man
and
he
has
done
well.
I
do
worry
about
mayors
and
I
worry
about
health
directors
and
health
boards
and
there's
an
issue
here
where,
if
you
use
police
power
to
enforce
an
executive
order,
that's
a
form
of
fascism
that
our
constitution
doesn't
recognize.
L
L
So
when
you
use
law
enforcement
to
to
enforce
an
edict
or
a
fiat
out
of
a
mayor's
office
besides
the
fascism
issue,
it's
illegitimate
law,
the
mayor
doesn't
have
the
authority
constitutionally
to
make
law,
so
the
legislature
can't
endow
the
governor
with
it
and
the
governor
can't
endow
a
mayor
with
it
and
therefore
we
shouldn't
put
police
in
this
state
in
that
kind
of
position.
They
took
the
same
oath,
you
did
and
we
should
not
hem
them
up
and
force
them
to
enforce,
not
law.
L
F
You
why
am
I
the
only
one
talking
here?
That's
right,
quick,
so
idea,
but
we
do
have
three
branches
of
government.
So
technically,
though,
someone
could
go
to
court
and
the
court
could
enforce.
F
F
L
F
L
A
A
A
B
You,
madam
chair
committee,
safety
and
and
are
working
on
an
amendment.
Well
this.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
love
to
roll
this
until
next
week,.
B
A
B
Again,
madam
chair
remember,
this
is
self-explanatory.
It's
just
simply
the
equipment
that
you
all
use.
We
use.
You
know
it's
often
this
decommissioned.
This
is
probably
new
stuff
that
you
have
right
now.
Okay,
I
think
they
get
rid
of
it,
maybe
every
year
too,
and
so
what
happens
is
that
it
will
allow
us,
as
members,
an
opportunity
to
at
the
market
value
purchase
that
equipment
that
you've
been
using
all
along
and
essentially
that's
what
it
is.
B
B
And
I
happen
to
agree
with
you
and
I
know
now
we
cannot
buy
our
equipment
did.
Have
you
talked
to
the
legislative
staff?
Are
they
in
agreement
with
what
you're
trying
to
do?
I
didn't
do
it
this
year,
but
last
year
I
did
and
they
were
okay
with
it.
Yes,
sir
all
right,
thank
you
very
much.
My
pleasure.
A
B
A
B
You
ma'am,
basically,
this
bill
just
helps
our
locals
to
have
the
bridge
program
for
correctional
officers
and
also
adds
emts,
as
many
of
y'all
know
we're
losing
a
lot
of
correctional
officers.
It's
hard
to
retain
these
guys
and
and,
ladies
as
well,
the
state's
had
a
tough
time
with
it.
The
locals
have
had
a
tough
time,
not
as
tough
as
the
state,
but
this
will
allow
them
to
retire
25
years
of
credible
service,
and
I
think
it's
a
move
in
the
right
direction.
B
A
B
You
I'm
mike
agee,
I
represent
tennessee
sheriff's
association
and
I
will
not
take
three
minutes.
This
is
a
bill
law
enforcement
officers
were
given
this
25-year
option
and
then
correctional
officers
were
added,
emts
were
added
and
inadvertently
our
local
correctional
officers
were
left
out.
That's
what
the
first
part
of
this
bill
does
is
to
give
our
jailers
that
25-year
option.
The
second
part
is
the
bridge
program
that,
if
you
have
mandatory
retirement
ages,
it's
that
program
that
I
am
not
real
well-versed
in,
but
it
is
completely
optional.
B
It
is
permissive
for
the
counties
if
they
want
to
offer
this
to
their
employees.
They
have
that
option,
and
this
would
also
allow
them
to
offer
that
option
to
that
same
group
of
people
being
the
correctional
officers,
and
that's
that's
what
the
bill
does
it
is.
We
are
bringing
on
behalf
of
the
sheriff's
association.
B
The
one
that
really
brought
us
to
us
is
your
sheriff
sheriff
usad
up
in
montgomery
county,
but
this
is
a
tool
that
they
can
use
to
small
help
to
recruit
people,
because
you
can
imagine
how
hard
it
is
right
now
for
us
to
staff
our
local
jails.
So
that
is
what
the
bill
does
and
we
appreciate
your
support
and
I
will
answer
any
questions
you
have.
If
I
know
the
answer,
any
questions
from
the
members.
A
A
A
A
C
Hb
1401
is
really
just
a
very
small
cleanup
in
language
regarding
reimbursement
for
for
members
we've
in
the
past,
and
currently,
we've
had
members,
maybe
who
are
pilots
and
will
fly
to
session,
there's
really
no
way
currently
for
them
to
be
reimbursed
for
travel.
This
restricts
sets
the
limit
at
reimbursement
for
road
mileage,
so
they
can't
be
reimbursed
for
for
any
more
than
what
we
would
be
reimbursed,
but
currently
because
again
of
a
little
nuance
in
the
law,
they
are
not
eligible
for
any
reimbursement.
But
with
that
I'll
pause
for
questions.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
a
bill
regarding
457
b
plans.
These
are
employer-sponsored
tax,
favored
retirement
savings
account,
that's
also
known
as
a
deferred
compensation
plan,
and
they
act
like
401k
plans.
Only
they're
only
offered
to
public
sector
employees
and
a
few
not-for-profits
now
state
law
allows
the
state
and
local
governments
to
ought
to
enroll
their
employees
in
a
457
b
plan.
G
If
enacted,
all
local
governments
employing
a
thousand
or
more
employees
would
have
the
option
to
auto
enroll
their
new
employees
in
the
457b
plans,
and,
of
course,
employees
can
always
opt
out
they're
not
forced
to
take
this
plan
and
if
they
get
into
the
plan,
they
can
get
out.
At
any
point
too,
it's
a
common
practice
to
auto
enroll
employees
in
both
the
public
and
private
sectors
and
the
tennessee
county
services
association
in
support
of
this
legislation-
and
it
was
came
out
with
a
fatal
favorable
recommendation
from
pensions
and
insurance.
A
A
M
You,
madam
chair,
this
bill
was
brought
to
me
by
the
comptroller's
office
and
it
will
probably
be
the
most
exciting
bill
that
you'll
hear
about
today.
I
look
forward
to
bringing
it
to
you
this
bill
refines
the
code
regarding
the
comptroller's
review
of
procurements.
It
reduces
the
number
of
low-risk
contracts
that
the
comptroller's
office
reviews
by
establishing
a
minimum
threshold
of
5
million
dollars
for
cooperative
purchasing
agreements
and
with
that
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
F
Got
a
comment:
we've
had
a
lot
of
comptroller
bills
today
so
and
well,
the
contours
got
a
lot
of
bills,
but
so
they
were
pretty
exciting
too,
and.