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Description
House Department of Agencies Subcommittee House Hearing Room 3
A
A
D
A
A
F
Thank
you,
chairman
and
members.
I
resemble
that
remark.
I
appreciate
that,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
when
we
set
up
the
the
online
sports
betting
a
couple
of
years
ago,
the
dollars
were
designated
to
go
toward
the
lottery
in
consultation
with
many
of
our
colleagues.
What
this
bill
would
do
is
put
our
investment
in
our
k-12
facilities.
Right
now
about
15
years
ago,
I've
tried
to
put
some
excess
lottery
dollars,
but
those
are
tied
toward
the
constitution.
I
tried
to
put
some
x
excess
lottery
dollars
toward
capital
improvements.
F
We
created
the
energy
efficient
school
fund
at
the
time,
but
I
want
to
create
an
ongoing
resource
for
our
schools
at
k-12,
and
this
would
put
the
80
portion
of
the
dollars
currently
going
to
the
lottery
from
online
sports
betting
to
go
to
a
k-12
facilities.
In
a
nutshell,
that's
what
it
does
chairman
and
members.
G
Representative
hall,
certainly,
I
think
the
bill
has
merit.
I
certainly
like
that.
It's
going
to
k
through
12.,
I
just
technically
are
concerned
the
allocation
of
the
money
once
it's
there,
how
the
request
for
funding
of
capital
improvements
will
be
allocated
across
the
state,
and
if
you
could
address
that,
I
appreciate
it.
F
F
There's
lots
of
formulas
that
get
into
education,
I'm
throwing
all
formulas
out
the
window
and
just
whatever
the
number
of
students
in
your
school
system
are
multiply,
that
times,
29
and
that's
the
number
of
dollars
that
will
be
attributed
to
your
school
districts
across
the
state
of
tennessee.
It
is
outside
the
bep
formula.
These
will
be
dollars
that
a
school
system
will
be
able
to
to
bank
there's,
not
a
maintenance
of
effort
on
these
particular
dollars.
F
If
it's
any
indication
of
what
the
lottery
has
been,
there
has
been
an
upward
trajectory
and
we've
got
a
fairly
consistent
revenue
stream,
but
I'd
like
to
keep
it
with
maintenance
and
in
facilities
potentially
technology
at
the
time,
and
we
may
be
able
to
get
to
where
a
place
in
one
of
the
representatives
speaking
right
after
me
and
another
committee
will
will
talk
about
his
desire
for
for
these
funds
as
well.
So
but
but
it
might
go
towards
salaries.
F
G
All
right
long
term,
if,
if
a
municipality
or
la,
doesn't
request
the
money,
does
it
just
stay
there
waiting
I
mean
I
mean
there's
a
point
in
time.
I
I
like
to
think
every
la
in
the
state.
If
they
know
there's
money
for
something
will
will
probably
ask
for
it,
so
it's
probably
likely
that
all
money
will
be
tapped
into
but
just
kind
of.
E
E
F
F
F
Go
against
the
the
fears
of
representative
bricken
that
these
dollars
will
be
will
be
utilized
by
our
school
districts
in
in
the
way
that
we
intend
to,
but
I'm
I'm
certain
that
any
time
you
have
a
pool
of
money
out
there
that
there's
always
pulls
and
tugs
on
those
dollars.
But
I
think
this
is
a
reasonable
and
a
responsible
way
to
utilize.
These
funds.
A
A
H
So
what
this
bill
does
as
amended,
this
bill
will
require
the
comptroller
to
annually
audit
an
insurance
pool
special
fund
reserve
fund
or
legal
or
administrative
entity.
Administering
such
funds,
the
bill
will
clarify
which
associations
and
non-profit
corporations
must
be
audited
by
the
comptroller.
H
The
requirements
of
the
bill
would
apply
to
records
that
are
not
open
for
public
if
the
association
or
non-profit
corporation
was
established
for
the
benefit
of
local
government
officials
or
counties,
cities,
towns
or
other
local
governments,
or
as
a
municipal
bond
financing,
pool,
receives
dues,
service
fees
and
or
any
other
income
from
local
government
officials
or
local
governments
that
constitute
at
least
30
percent
of
its
total
annual
income
and
is
authorized
under
state
law
to
obtain
coverage
for
its
employees
in
the
tennessee
consolidated
retirement
systems.
Mr
chairman
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
questions.
A
E
G
A
H
A
I
J
That
is
correct.
This
is
an
administration
bill
and
the
department
of
general
services
has
a
representative
here
from
my
understanding
to
speak
to
this.
If
we
need
them,
I
will
explain
to
you
items
in
relation
to
this
amendment
that
makes
the
bill
this
bill
makes
a
variety
of
housekeeping
changes
regarding
the
department
of
general
services.
J
This
bill
deletes
outdated
language
and
references
that
are
not
applicable
to
the
central
procurement
office
and
the
final
section
section
seven
of
the
bill
revises
a
statute
that
provides
for
energy
performance
contracting
pilot
projects
by
deleting
the
pilot
project
language
and
making
it
a
permanent
option.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
E
J
K
Yes
again,
my
name
is
john
hall,
I'm
a
deputy
commissioner
in
charge
of
the
department
of
stream,
and
so
we
believe
the
energy
performance
contracting
is
a
good
tool
for
us
to
add
to
what
we
do
now,
the
section
about
auditing.
We
would
want
tdec
to
actually
audit
these
projects,
we're
actually
taking
away
the
word
temporary
from
all
that,
and
so
we
I
believe
there
will
be
a
requirement
for
tdec
to
look
over
all
the
numbers
and
the
performance
of
these
contracts.
E
K
K
E
H
Chadwick
nottingham
liaison
for
general
services.
So
what
what
this
is
doing
is
it's
deleting
a
pilot
program
and
there
were
no
contracts
that
were
ever
entered
into
under
the
program.
So
there
were
no
reports
ever
made
and
the
reporting
process
will
now
go
through
general
services
and
the
report
will
be
made
to
the
governor
and
the
speakers
of
both
chambers.
So
there
will
still
be
a
reporting
process.
There
was
never
a
report
to
begin
with
under
the
pilot
program,
because
again
there
were
never
contracts
entered
into
under
the
pilot
program.
A
G
G
H
A
L
L
Ask
the
general
assembly
to
adopt
language
based
on
governor
lee's
executive
order
for
a
period
of
three
years,
at
which
time
the
authority
will
expire,
and
the
reality
is
that
restaurants
prefer
to
sell
liquor
by
the
drink
with
food
and
and
they
have
an
extended
period
of
time
when
people
are
in
their
restaurants
and
and
it
allows
them
to
actually
make
a
lot
more
revenue.
So
so
they're
not
interested
in
keeping
this
in
place
for
any
period
of
time.
L
L
So
if,
if
a
law
enforcement
officer
observes
a
container,
that's
been
tampered
with
in
a
car,
they
have
the
right
to
to
check
that
cans
and
wine
bottles
will
not
be
required
any
additional
security
no
more
than
they
are
now.
Presently.
It
makes
it
clear
that
the
maximum
amount
of
mixed
beverages
that
can
be
sold
per
meal
is
16
ounces.
M
Thank
you,
chairman
committee
members.
My
name
is
rob
mortensen.
I
represent
the
hospitality
industry,
all
the
restaurants,
hotels
across
the
state
and,
as
you
all
know,
we
got
pretty
hit
pretty
hard
last
year
with
our
most
of
our
restaurants
being
closed
down
on
the
front
side,
hoteliers
as
well,
and
so
this
kind
of
came
out
as
an
assistant
as
an
aide
for
our
restaurants
to
kind
of
get
them
through
this
past
year.
It
saved
quite
a
few
restaurants,
not
only
that.
M
I
and
I've
got
a
lot
of
folks
across
the
state
from
sevierville
to
memphis
who
have
said
without
this,
they
wouldn't
be
in
business.
We've
lost
about
15
of
our
restaurants
and
really
our
goal
here
is
to
save
restaurants
going
forward.
So
that's
our
hope.
With
this.
We
don't
plan
on
doing
it
forever.
It
really
does
not
keep
our
restaurants
in
business.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
want
folks
sitting
down
in
our
restaurants,
eating
the
food
they're
going
to
make
more
money
than
delivery
and
pickup.
So
our
hope
is
two
years.
M
A
lot
of
our
restaurants
have
big
notes
and
loans,
taking
a
lot
of
money
out
of
their
savings
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
a
lot
of
these
restaurants
are
the
one
the
ones
that
are
hurting.
Are
your
family
businesses,
your
change,
your
bigger
restaurant
restaurants.
They
got
deeper
pockets,
but
it's
your
smaller,
your
family-owned
restaurants
that
are
really
struggling
right
now,
so
we're
our
hope
is
that
this
will
get
them
through
the
next
year
and
we've
saved
some
restaurants.
At
the
end
of
the
day,.
A
M
A
M
Sir,
absolutely
and
keep
in
mind
this
is
not
about
delivery.
This
is
about
curbside,
it's
taking
the
food
from
inside
the
restaurant
and
handing
it
to
the
cars.
What
we
didn't
have
in
the
in
the
governor's
executive
order
was
training
and
we
put
that
into
this
bill.
So
all
of
the
folks
that
deliver
the
food
to
the
car
they've
got
to
be
trained
now
they
weren't
before
so
so.
Yes,
we
did
see
that
issue
as
well.
We've
encouraged
our
restaurants
statewide.
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
we
had
for
most
folks.
M
They
were
just
trying
to
stay
alive,
and
so
for
them
it
they
weren't
thinking
a
whole
lot
about
that.
Not
right
or
wrong
is
it.
It
is
what
it
was
during
that
time.
But
what
we've
put
into
place
is
training
through
the
abc
for
those
folks
that
deliver
that
liquor
to
the
cars
they've
got
to
be,
they
got
to
be
licensed
and
trained.
E
M
L
E
A
M
N
Thank
you,
I'm
dan
haskell
long
time
lobbyist
for
the
ab
for
the
hospitality
industry
and
and
and
the
long-time
liquor
lawyer,
the
the
question
about
delivery
by
gr,
grubhub
and
and
those
kinds
of
folks
is
untouched.
In
this
bill
we
didn't
provide
for
delivery.
Our
guys
are
mostly
not
interested
in
in
delivery,
they're
interested
only
in
curbside
service.
This
bill
is
not
about
taking
the
product
and
giving
it
to
some
third-party
service
and
delivering
it
someplace
else.
The
liquor
stores
have
that
authority
and
are
currently
doing
that.
N
E
N
I
M
Thank
you,
representative.
Are
you
asking
how
much
money
they
probably
received
overall,
whether
through
ppp
or
no
sir,
it
that's
hard
to
tell
I
would
so
they
were
able
to
receive
two
ppps:
payroll
protection
checks,
if
they're,
if
they
qualified
the
problem,
is
a
lot
of
folks
left.
There
were
some
challenges
with
the
amount
of
money
they
could
pull,
because
once
that
person
left,
you
couldn't
pull
those
dollars.
M
I
M
M
A
N
N
This
is
the
the
same
thing
you
do
with
as
when
you're
doing
minor
checks
inside
the
restaurant
you're
doing
the
same
thing
outside
the
restaurant
you're,
making
the
same
visit
you're
just
staying
a
few
minutes
longer
to
to
look
at
a
different
kind
of
activity.
Most
of
what
the
abc
does
in
this
involves
bringing
a
confidential
informant
and
trying
to
make
a
purchase.
Okay.
A
P
O
When
you
talk
about
these
three
license
types
that
we're
able
to
utilize
this,
it's
roughly
about
3
000,
whether
or
not
all
those
chose
to
do
it
or
not,
but
we
did
have
the
sample
was
about
10
of
the
total
licensees
that
were
allowed
to
do
it.
So
it
was,
it
was,
you
know,
significantly
lower
than
normal.
P
But
if
could
this
maybe
go
to
a
could
a
fast
food,
restaurant
or
somebody
get
one
of
these
if
they
want
to,
they
say
like
a
a
taco
bell
or
somebody
and
and
get
a
license
and
and
start
you
know,
selling
margaritas
have
to
drive
through
the
window
and
as
long
as
they
check
as
they
go
through
there,
and
that
would
be
one
thing
like
that,
and
I'm
just
using
that
as
an
example.
Could
it
be
any
other
drive-through
on
that
particular
thing?.
O
To
my
understanding,
thank
you,
chairman
to
my
understanding.
The
the
words
drive-through
window
are
in
the
amendment.
So
if
that
restaurant
any
restaurant
meets
the
requirements,
you
know
has
a
kitchen
certain
number
of
chairs,
there's
several
other
that
they
could
could
do
that.
I
think
so
yeah
and
we
we
have
issued
a
license
to
taco
bell,
not
for
a
drive-through,
but
they
do
get
a
license.
They
have
a
little
cantina,
so
they
certainly
are
you
know
in
that
space?
O
That's
a
very,
very
good
question:
when
executive
order,
17
came
out
in
march,
it
didn't
require
them
to
notify
us,
so
we
didn't
know
who
was
doing
it
and
who
wasn't
doing
it
and
when
we
would
do
our
minor
compliance
checks,
that's
how
we
would
find
out.
We
do
a
kind
of
a
pre-operational
plan
and
we
would
call
places
and
some
of
them
would
do
it
and
some
of
them,
wouldn't
I
think
we
I
I
don't
know
if
I
could
give
you
an
answer
on
that
it.
O
A
O
So
we
are
a
current
service
revenue
department,
that's
how
our
funding,
so
we
track
it
monthly
to
see
how
you
know,
because
if
we
have
a
lot
of
licenses
fall
off,
then
our
funding
goes
way
down,
and
so
I
don't
think
we've
looked
at
it
to
see.
We
know
that
the
significant
growth
overall
has
been
in
the
lbd.
O
O
This
activity
is
different
than
inside
sales.
It
takes
longer
to
perform
that
check.
You
know
we
have
to
call
order.
The
food
drive
over
there
pick
it
up,
whereas
a
normal
inside
sale
is,
you
know,
a
minor,
you
know
we
follow
a
minor
inside
and
just
see
if
they'll
sell,
and
so
this
it
is
a
lot
more
arduous
of
a
project
to
do
so.
We
we
think,
but
we
want
to
be
conservative
about
it,
and
so
we
think
four
to
six
would
be
a
reasonable
and
I
was
going
to
bring
that
up.
O
O
If,
let's
see
when
the
pandemic
hit
a
lot
of
places,
just
shuddered
during
it
was
really
like
kind
of
a
march
in
april,
I
don't
think
year
over
year
from
2019
to
2020,
like
the
fines
were
up,
but,
like
I
said
before,
the
that
percentage
was
lower
and
I
guess
we
would
track
it
through
fines.
I
I'd
have
to
look.
I
don't
remember
anybody
talking
about
you
know
a
significant
increase
in
you
know
fines,
but
I
can
check
on
that
and
get
you
that
information.
If
you
would
like
that.
G
O
G
O
O
Q
Q
Q
There
will
probably
be
some
21
year
olds
going
to
proms
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
that
concerns
me
that
they
could
order
food
and
order
a
mixed
drink.
And
you
know
you
can't
deny
the
21
year
old,
but
what
about?
Everybody
is
else
in
the
car,
and
so
that
does
give
me
tremendous
heartburn
and
two.
Q
O
I
think
of
average
salaries
about
60
thousand
dollars
and
then
we
have
to
they
have
a
car.
So
I
I'm
hesitant
to
give
you
that
exact
number.
I
I
will
say
we
are.
We
are
fully
funded
with
our
license
fees
and
we
do
feel
like
we
have
some
room
to
do
that.
We
are
looking
for
the
best
avenue
through
the
budget
process
and
kind
of
a
novice
at
the
budget
process.
So
but
we
would
like
your
support
if
y'all
choose
to
make
this
a
state
policy
that
we
would
be
able
to
get
those.
B
O
You
know,
in
order
for
this
to
occur,
you
have
a
a
city
or
county
would
have
to
pass
the
referendum.
Okay,
I
think
most
counties
there's
only
a
few
counties
that
have
passed
the
referendum.
So
it's
really
just
the
cities
we're
talking
about
and
I
looked
at.
I
think
it's
about
this
would
not
apply
in
26
26
of
your
smaller
cities.
B
O
We
have
plenty
of
work
for
them.
It
is
a
very
good
question.
This
is
a
unique
situation
with
the
I'm
sure
we,
those
agents
would
not
be
specifically
doing
this.
It
would
be
incorporated
throughout
the
whole
agency,
this
extra
work,
but
we
would
need
those
extra
agents
to
evenly
spread
that
out.
So
there's
always,
we
have
you
know
four
to
five
thousand
licensees
out
there.
We
have
people,
shipping
routes
to
you,
know
into
our
state,
and
so
there's
always
work
to
be
done,
so
I
would
anticipate
that
we
would
keep
them.
A
L
And-
and
I
would
say
the
confusion
about
the
two
and
three
years,
then
the
original
intent
when
we
rewrote
the
amendment
that
made
the
bill
the
original
bill
had
three
years.
The
intent
was
for
the
amendment
to
have
three
years.
It
did
not
have
it
whether
it
was
a
typo
or
whatever
it
had
two
years
on
there,
and
so
we
had
constructed
another
amendment
to
make
it
three
years
which
we
were
going
to
look
at,
but
I'm
signaled
from
the
folks
that
brought
me
the
amendment.
L
L
No,
their
interest
is
not
to
go
beyond
two
or
three
years,
because
we
see
in
the
in
the
fiscal
note
that
each
year
the
the
tax
revenue
drops
as
far
as
liquor
by
the
drink
tax
we
and
and
the
governor
of
course,
when
he
passed
the
executive
order.
He
didn't
require
tax
be
paid
on
this
liquor
by
the
drink,
so
so
the
state's
better
off
when
they
sell
it
in
the
restaurant
they're
better
off,
because
they
sell
food
with
it
and
they
sell
more
drinks.
Q
And
that's
what
I
failed
to
mention
is:
I
am
really
about
supporting
our
servers
and
they
are
the
ones
that
have
probably
suffered
more
with
the
restaurants
being
closed
and
all
this.
So
things
are
ramping
back
up,
and
I
think
we
ought
to
be
encouraging
our
businesses
and
and
all
to
open
up
everywhere,
so
that
the
servers
and
and
all
can
get
back
to
work
and
and
be
able
to
provide
for
their
families.
Instead
of
encouraging
the
curb,
really
encouraged
to
get
them
back
in
there
and
be
in
the
restaurants
and.
G
I'm
going
to
just
still
go
back,
the
only
thing
most
troubling
is
for
local
officials
and
abc
not
to
know
a
fish
who
is
actually
providing
this
curbside
or
carryout
service.
I
I
think
somewhere
we
need,
if
this
bill
scopes
forward,
to
tighten
that
up,
because
I
think
local
officials
and
the
avc
needs
to
know,
because
companies
could
turn
it
on
one
week,
turn
it
on
one
night
it
so
I
just
that
is
just
a
piece
of
this
that
I
wish
would
get
addressed
as
this
bill
goes
forward.
L
And,
and
certainly
this
bill
does
not
change
that
in
any
way
the
their
ability
to
in
between
application
renewals.
Of
course,
they
they
can
put
any
question
they
want
to
on
an
application
renewal
which
is
yearly,
but
but
this
bill
doesn't
change
that
make
it
longer
or
shorter.
So
it
might
be
something
that
we
that
they
could
accommodate,
but
you
got
a
good
point.
Certainly.
K
Matt
money
from
legal-
that
was
something
I
think
we
complicate.
We
we
contemplated
was
putting
in
specific
authority
for
rule
making,
but
the
abc
has
broad
rule
making
authority
to
regulate
title
57,
and
I
would
presume-
and
I'm
looking
at
the
abc
that
they
would
want
to
consider
doing
something
like
that
to
make
sure
that
they
had.
You
know,
go
through
the
process
of
adopting
some
rules
and
parameters
for
this
type
of
activity.
A
G
Clarification
they
would
have
authority
to
get
the
licensee
to
say,
I'm
going
to
do,
carryout
so
or
or
curbside
delivery
or
service.
I
should
say
so
on
so
as
licenses
come
up,
the
the
establishment
would
have
to
say
yes
I'll
do
a
curbside
delivery,
but
if
they
say
no,
then
that
would
prohibit
that
business
from
providing
that
service.
B
Chairman
keisling
thanks
chairman
to
legal,
so
what
we
have
here
is
sonic.
I
pull
up
into
sonic
and
it's
curb
I
mean
if,
if
locally,
if,
if
a
sonic
is
located
in
a
city
I
mean
this,
is
this:
this
is
going
to
be
able
to
they're
going
to
be
able
to
to
to
deliver
and
sell
these
beverages.
Correct
legal.
B
L
You,
mr
chairman,
and
and
the
there
are
strict
relationships
and
percentages
on
on
table
space.
Sonic
could
not
do
that
because
they
don't
have
the
table
space
that
requires
to
get
a
license
and,
and
so
and
as
far
as
taco
bell
or
an
organization
like
that,
they
would
have
to
revamp
their
whole
employee
system.
P
P
L
L
I
mean
I,
I
don't
think
that
that
would
be
appropriate
and
I
I
can't
imagine
them
doing
that
for
two
year-
a
two-year
shot
at
this.
I
don't
because
they're
not
allowed
to
sell
bottles
of
liquor
they're
supposed
to
post
a
sign
that
says
we
cannot
sell
bottles
of
liquor.
It's
just
a
16
ounce
mixed
drink.
L
P
L
I
think
it's
probably
better
and
the
intent
of
this
is
that
that
it's
going
to
be
in
a
seal
container,
it's
going
to
be
taken
home
and
and
consumed
at
home,
and
that's
the
intent
of
the
legislation
that
it's
worked
in
a
way.
That'll
be
taken
home
and
consumed
with
the
food.
That's
purchased
and
and
that's
much
much
more
desirable
than
to
to
have
a
moonshine
restaurant,
that's
doing
shots
and
then
them
go
out
on
the
street.
L
Representative
chairman,
I
certainly
do
I've
been
told
these
men
represent
7,
500,
hospitality
organizations
or
or
clients
across
the
state
and
and
their
statement
is
that
we
make
more
money
when
people
come
to
our
restaurant
eat
the
two
or
three
portions
of
food
that
they
get
and
have
two
or
three
drinks
with
it
because
they're
there
for
two
hours.
So
I
do.
I
don't
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
money
maker.
B
E
Thank
you,
sir.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
heard
from
many
of
my
restaurants
and
they've
had
a
horrible
time
and
it's
they.
Many
of
them
have
just
been
hanging
on
by
thread,
and
this
has
helped
them
get
through
and
if
you'll
notice
I
mean
they
one
thing
that
really
helped
them
is:
they
didn't
have
to
pay
the
liquor
by
the
drink
tax
that
liquor
by
the
drink
tax
comes
back
in
this
bill,
and
we
really
you
know
our
our
restaurants
support
so
many
employees.
E
E
A
A
A
A
A
R
R
The
legislature
in
the
past
has
not
had
a
role
in
selecting
members
of
the
tennessee
historical
commission.
The
prime
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
vacate
the
current
commission,
which
is
entirely
appointed
by
the
governor
and
set
up
a
new
appointment
system,
which
is
spread
among
the
two
speakers
of
the
chambers
and
the
governor,
so
that
the
general
assembly
can
now
have
a
voice.
If
you
will
in
ensuring
the
tennessee
historical
commission
is
aware
of
the
people
that
we
that
we
represent
right
now.
R
Some
would
argue:
that's
not
the
case.
With
that
explanation,
I
can
go
into
detail
on
why
I
changed
the
amendment.
If
you
you
prefer,
but
the
the
the
long
and
the
short
of
it
is
we're
reducing
the
committee
membership
numbers
from
29
to
18,
which
is
saving
the
state,
some
money
and
besides
divving
it
up
among
the
three
chambers,
and
it
also
creates
a
a
mechanism
whereby
the
speakers
are
notified
when
the
commission
recommends
any
changes.
R
E
R
E
R
I
do
not
know
conclusively,
I
know
in
some
cases,
there's
been
some
difficulties,
but
it's
not.
My
understanding
is
that
for
one
thing,
the
the
things
that
they
consider
have
been
somewhat
summarily
handled
by
one
individual.
I
think
all
of
you
have
seen
a
copy
of
the
letter
and
the
idea
again
is
to
get
this
in
front
of
a
group
that
represents
more
than
just
the
governor's
judgment.
R
R
E
R
The
idea
simply
is
to
give
enough
time,
especially
for
things
that
are
of
historical
importance,
for
those
who
may
not
have
been
aware
that
they
were
taking
action
or
planning
on
action
to
be
able
to
get
their
their
input
in
since
we're
talking
historical
monuments,
usually
we're
talking
about
things
that
have
been
around
100
years
or
more.
I
don't
think
two
years
is
excessive.
E
And
last
question
for
it
and
we're,
since
this
was
untimely
fire
we're
just
getting
to
look
at
this
you're
you're
requiring
a
proof
of
ownership
of
the
memorial
I
mean,
there's,
there's
not
a
title
on
memorials:
how
and
how?
How
would
you
propose
that
they
show
proof
of
ownership
and
usually,
when
you.
A
C
C
C
C
A
C
C
I
think
you
need
to
know
about
that,
and
I
have
copies
of
that
letter
as
well.
The
abuse
of
power
is
just
extraordinary.
I
I
can
go
into
any
of
this
in
in
their
election
of
duty.
One
one
instance
in
particular
was
state
property
that
I
personally
called
the
office
to
tell
them
that
was
being
destroyed,
and
these
are
historic
markers
that
the
commission
should
have
protected
and
they
allowed
them
to
be
destroyed.
A
E
C
Well,
here
we
have
a
wars
commission
that
has
not
met
as
a
committee
for
over
six
years
they
have
a
chairperson.
He
refuses
to
meet
and
millions
of
dollars
go
through
that
federal
agency
grant
money
as
well
as
state
budget
money,
but
one
one
example
is,
for
example,
just
so
you'll
understand
what
I'm
talking
about
is
you
have
a
501c3
that
wants
to
buy
land?
That's
going
to
be
eventually
given
to
the
federal
government
or
to
the
state.
C
So
there's
a
state
grant
program
and
the
grant
is
applied
for,
but
the
committee
never
meets,
they
simply
depend
on
staff
to
make
recommendations.
There's
never
enough
information
at
the
commission
level
to
understand
what's
actually
going
on
so
it
gets
passed
and
we're
talking
two
million
dollars
at
stone's
river
that
was
adjacent
land,
never
had
a
public
hearing
on
it.
We
had,
let's
see
one
piece
of
property
just
this
year,
less
than
a
quarter
of
an
acre
for
eighty
seven
thousand
dollars
less
than
a
quarter
of
an
acre,
no
public
hearing.
C
Q
N
A
D
Good
afternoon,
chairman
and
members
of
this
esteemed
committee,
my
name
is
joseph
williams
and
I
serve
on
governor
lee
senior
staff
as
his
director
of
external
affairs.
It's
an
honor
to
be
with
you
today,
because
this
is
an
issue
we're
all
incredibly
passionate
about,
and
the
governor
is
passionate
about
it
as
well,
and
the
legislature
has
incredible
oversight
over
this
process
of
our
state's
history,
its
heritage
and
how
we
remember
and
recognize
it.
D
We
have
some
members
of
the
historic
commission
here
today:
29
excellent,
diverse
and
qualified
tennesseans
from
all
over
our
state
who
serve
and
do
this
work
one
of
them.
The
legislature
has
incredible
input
already
into
this
process.
The
governor
is
the
only
elected
official
of
the
entire
state
of
tennessee
receives
input
all
the
time.
D
In
fact,
in
my
office,
our
most
recent
appointee,
the
recently
retired
director
of
the
tennessee
historical
society
and
topovich
our
most
recent
appointment,
she
was
appointed
after
I
personally
received
multiple
emails
from
members
of
this
esteemed
body,
recommending
her
to
join
kim
hinton,
who
is
the
architect
of
our
bicentennial
capitol
mall
and
our
new
state
library
and
archives
was
recently
appointed.
We
have
history
professors,
we
have
pastors
of
historic
congregations,
such
as
pastor
norman
who's.
Here
from
memphis.
Today
we
have
educators
who
help
teach
history
at
christian
schools
working
towards
racial
reconciliation.
D
History
is
vitally
important
to
me
this
past
summer,
my
boys,
and
I
they
dressed
up
like
davy
crockett
and
we
traveled
around
did
the
davy
crockett
tour.
I
stumbled
upon
a
memorial
that
is
the
burial
place
of
meriwether
lewis,
I'm
a
former
high
school
history
teacher
myself,
so
I
had
to
stop
and
that
marker
read
beneath
this
monument
erected
under
legislative
act
by
the
state
of
tennessee,
ada
1848.