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House Public Service Subcommittee - March 16, 2022 - House Hearing Room 4
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B
A
A
And
are
there
any
more
personal
orders
seeing
none
we
will
get
started
today.
We
have
four
calendars.
First,
we
will
take
up
the
final
calendar
and
then
addendums
one
and
two.
Lastly,
we
will
take
up
the
special
calendar
and
there
are
13
bills.
On
the
final
calendar
item
number
one
is
house
bill,
415
by
leader
camper.
It
has
been
taken
off
notice,
house
bill.
415
has
been
calendared
three
times
in
this
committee
and
failed
to
pass
without
objection.
The
bill
is
sent
to
the
special
calendar
item.
Number
two
is
house
bill
2874
by
chairman
weaver.
C
C
Key
words
to
again
narrow
that
why
this
makes
this
amendment
different
is
the
act
is
done
solely
in
recognition
of
the
fact
that
the
senate
joint
resolution
number
54
was
bound
both
with
the
88th
general
assembly
and
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
to
fulfill
their
obligations,
as
outlined
in
this
language,
and
the
bust
of
force
was
removed
from
the
second
floor
of
the
tennessee
capitol
building,
and
this
act
does
not
bind
the
state
of
tennessee
nor
the
tennessee
state
museum
to
remit,
transfer
or
return
any
other
artifact
held
by
the
tennessee
state,
museum
and
and
out,
and
also
now
or
in
the
future,
outside
of
the
museum's
policies
and
procedures.
C
C
And
I
want
to
just
mention
a
couple
things
and
I'll
entertain
any
more
questions,
but
this
artifact
is
different
than
any
other.
There
was
an
agreement
with
both
parties
for
the
placement
and
since
1978
this
bust
has
been
mirrored
in
controversy,
but
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
fear
due
to
the
controversies
going
through
the
transfer
process.
It
will
be
for
naught
on
this
particular
bust
and
the
bust
will
not
be
returned
to
the
rightful
owners.
C
C
C
I'm
going
to
read
to
you
the
other
side
of
the
story,
and
then
I'm
going
to
frame
this
as
to
why
I
believe
it's
important
that
I
bring
this
to
you.
The
members
of
this
committee-
and
I
know
every
one
of
you
here-
are
very
passionate
about
our
story,
our
history,
our
heritage.
I
know
that
I
look
at
every
one
of
you
and
I
know
I
don't
have
to
argue
that.
C
C
So
bear
with
me.
I
want
to
take
time
on
this.
This
is
a
very
special
bill
for
me,
so,
in
addition
to
the
legal
argument
as
to
why
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
want
their
bus
back
following
the
breach
of
specific
agreement
between
the
house
and
senate
joint
resolution
and
to
have
it
prominently
displayed
in
the
state
capitol
on
the
second
floor
in
the
second
niche
general
forest
was
most
respected
by
the
citizens
of
memphis
that
he
knew
that
knew
him.
There
is
overwhelming
documentary
evidence
that
proves
the
following.
C
By
the
end
of
the
war
general
forest
had
65
black
soldiers
under
his
command,
who
fought
freely
and
willingly
of
which
the
remark
there
was
never
a
better
confederate
soldiers
quote
from
mr
bedford.
He
was
the
first
civil
rights
advocate
for
black
citizens
in
memphis.
He
went
against
the
culture
by
hiring
black
citizens
and
paying
them
equal
wages
for
white-collar
jobs,
something
unheard
of.
In
that
time
he
was
the
first
white
man
invited
to
speak
to
the
black
civil
rights
group
of
pole,
bearers
association,
the
front
running
group
to
the
naacp.
C
These
black
citizens
knew
nathan,
bedford,
forced
and
respected
him
more
than
any
other
white
man,
because
forrest
cared
for
them.
During
president
grant's
administration,
general
forest
was
subpoenaed
by
subpoenaed
by
united
states
congress
to
testify
in
the
senate
hearings
on
klan
activities.
The
u.s
congress
could
find
no
evidence
that
forrest
was
ever
a
leader
of
the
clan.
Nor
could
they
even
find
evidence
that
he
massacred
unarmed
black
soldiers
at
fort
pillow
during
the
war.
C
C
What
they
do
say
about
general
force
is
in
the
following
description
placed
next
to
the
clan
robe
on
display,
to
which
I
saw
when
I
visited
the
museum
by
1867.
This
is
what
it
says.
This
secret
society
with
former
confederate
general
nathan,
bedford
forest
as
grand
wizard
incited
terror
across
the
state,
klan
members
used
murder
and
violence
to
re,
to
reassert
white
supremacy
and
overthrow
the
republican
party.
C
A
C
C
You
know
the
story:
what
happened
in
memphis
sons
of
the
confederate
took
him
on
himself
brought
the
monument
brought
the
grave
everything
to
elm
springs
where
he
is
resting
in
peace,
and
nobody
is
trying
to
jackhammer
or
mess
up
the
monument
and
the
story.
There
I
mean
think
of
the
family
members.
There
are
family
members
here.
E
E
I
think
ever
I'm
on
the
record
it
it
it
comes
down
to
just
philosophically
I
disagree.
I
think
it
needs
to
remain
at
the
museum.
I
know
we're
going
to
remain
friends
regardless
how
this
how
this
vote
turns
out,
but
surely
weaver.
I
I
commend
you.
I
have
much
respect
for
you.
I
do,
but
I
I
I
will
be
voting
no
just
simply
because
I
still
feel
like
it's
where
it
needs
to
be
where
it's
resting
right
now
and
with
that.
Thank
you.
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A
C
C
F
And
I
agree
100,
I
think
you've
done
an
excellent
job
and
your
passion
is
showing
and
shown,
and
I
appreciate
all
you
fellas
coming
up.
I
do
think
that
it
should
stay
here
and
I
think
that
we
all
should
make
sure
that
the
whole
story
is
told
if
it
does
stay
here
by
the
state
museum.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee.
This
bill
is
brought
to
me
by
senator
roberts,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
work
he's
done
and
I
feel
confident
that
the
the
the
members
will
also.
This
amendment
makes
the
bill
the
drafting
code
for
the
amendment,
and
I've
told
that
one
the
bill,
as
amended,
deletes
section
11
and
12
from
tca
5525-107
b.
B
This
code
sets
forth
who
the
department
of
safety
and
department
of
revenue
may
share
information
with
the
problem.
We're
trying
to
solve
is
preventing
tennesseans
from
receiving
calls
from
telemarketers
who
have
pieced
together
information
from
various
sources
to
create
a
database
in
order
to
make
solicitations.
B
B
B
We
are
not
solving
the
problem
with
this
bill,
but
we
are
contributing
to
the
solution.
By
trying
to
take
away
one
of
the
puzzle
pieces
that
a
data
aggregator
aggregator
may
use
to
build
their
database
department
of
safety
and
revenue
are
okay
with
the
bill
as
amended
and
auto
insurance
companies
that
we
have
spoken
to
are
okay
with
the
bill,
as
amended
so
appreciate,
senator
robert's
work
and
getting
this
where
everyone
is
good
good
with
it,
and
it's
a
good
first
step.
So
with
that,
madam
chair
I'll,
take
questions,
thank
you.
A
A
B
So
this
amendment
makes
the
bill,
should
I
just,
can
we
go
ahead
and
get
that
added?
I
want.
A
A
B
You,
madam
chair,
this
bill,
was
brought
to
me
by
the
tennessee
police
chiefs
association,
the
sheriff's
association.
It's
a
sunset
bill
that
just
expands
the
current
body,
camera
footage
that
police
officers
have
and
basically
when
they
go
into
a
school
or
child
care
facility
or
hospital
settings
or
senior
living
facilities.
Certain
parts
of
that
footage
is
edited
and
not
to
be
released
to
the
public
due
to
privacy
concerns
and
we're
just
extending
this
another
five
years
to
july
1st
of
2027..
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A
F
What
this
does
is
this
establishes
a
process
by
which
the
general
assembly
can
appoint
a
chaplain.
When
I
first
got
here,
I
was
surprised
that
we
didn't
have
a
chaplain
in
the
general
assembly,
so
many
of
you
know
bill
geisel,
he's
with
capitol
commission
and
for
seven
years,
he's
kind
of
served
as
the
chaplain
here
on
a
volunteer
basis,
and
you
know
he
spends
his
own
money
and
raises
funds
to
help
him
do
that.
F
F
F
It
would
only
be-
and
I
forget
the
term
that
we
would
use
expenses
per
diem.
That
sort
of
thing
there
wouldn't
be
a
an
ongoing
salary
and
I've
talked
to
speaker
sexton
about
this,
and
he
he
could
do
it
on
his
own,
but
I
would
prefer
that
we
would
do
it
both
in
the
senate
and
the
house,
and
so
senator
massey's
carrying
this
bill
on
the
senate
side.
F
I've
got
it's,
it's
pretty
lengthy
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions,
but
basically
what
would
happen
at
the
beginning
of
the
session
would
have
a
joint
session
nominees
would
be
made
for
whoever
that
we
wanted
to
nominate,
and
then
we
would
vote
on
it
jointly
at
that
time,
then
this
person
would
be
become
the
chaplain.
F
Part
of
the
the
rules
that
we've
come
up
with
is
they
would
have
to
serve
on
a
voluntary
basis
for
a
couple
of
years,
maybe
a
year.
We
could
change
that
that
way.
If
we
didn't
have
a
chaplain
that
way,
you
know
we
could
get
to
know
him
and
find
out
what
you
know
if
this
person
is
is
worthy.
Bill
has
served
for
seven
years,
and
I
think
he's
proved
himself
in
in
that
way.
This
doesn't
mean
that
he'll
be
the
chaplain.
F
G
F
E
You
chair,
lady
on
the
chairman,
sexton,
looking
at
the
the
what's
the
posture
in
the
senate.
Yesterday
they
wha.
What
was
yesterday's
outcome?
Do
you
know
because
it's
placed
on
state
saying
local?
It
was
in
committee
yesterday
and
I
was
just
wondering
what
the
outcome
was
over
there.
F
I
think
they
rolled
it
a
week
because
they
had
a
question
about
the
number
of
votes
that
the
senate
would
have
compared
to
the
number
of
votes
that
the
house
would
have,
and
so
we
went
to
legal
to
find
out
how
that
would
do
our
constitutional
officers,
and
we
found
out
that
it's
in
the
constitution
that
each
member
can
only
have
one
vote,
because
I
was
willing
to
give
them
more
votes
if,
if
that's
what
it
took,
but
we
we
can't
do
that.
So
I
think
we
answered
their
question.
F
E
Cheerleading,
okay,
thank
you!
So
again
the
so
this
position.
I
see
the
physical
note
that
they
we
we've
got
a
25
8
on
physical,
so
that
that
is
pertaining
only
to
reimbursement.
It's
not
salary!
Is
that
correct!
That's
correct,
okay,
all
right
so
reimbursements
and,
of
course,.
E
E
G
I
had
another
question:
while
I
was
sitting
here,
would
they
will
the
chaplain
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
speaker
and
lieutenant
governor?
F
That's
something
that
we
that's
something
that
we
haven't
actually
dealt
with
yet,
but
my
feelings
are
that
they
would
have
to
be
under
the
same
ethics
rules
that
you
know
a
member
would
be,
and
since
they're
serving
the
house
and
the
senate,
I
would
think
it
would
fall
under
that
category.
But
it
may
be
something
that
we
need
to
add
yeah.
I
I.
G
Don't
know
if
I'd
be
comfortable
having
the
same
as
a
member,
but
as
statement
staff
I
think,
would
be
appropriate
because
they're
not
elected,
but
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
because
you
certainly
don't
want
someone
that's
in
there,
that
we
can't
remove
that
because
of
elected
by
the
body.
G
F
I'd
be
glad
to
entertain
any
amendment
that
would
that
would
cover
that.
I
agree
with
you
100
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
rules
in
place
that
would
remove
someone
that
needed
to
be
removed.
Yeah.
E
Well,
thank
you,
chair,
lady
and
finally,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
thank
you
for
for
bringing
this
and
I
I
I
I'm
going
to
support
this.
Certainly
I
think
it's
time
that
we
do
have.
You
know
on
the
record,
a
chaplain
that
can
can
be
there
when
we
when
that
time
comes.
You
know.
H
E
F
Thank
you,
representative
keithson,
and
one
thing
that
the
chaplain
now
does
by
default
is.
He
serves
two
different
bible
studies.
He
has
one
for
the
members
on
tuesday
morning
and
then
he
has
one
for
the
staff
one
for
the
staff
he
does
year
round.
D
Just
want
to
say
thank
you,
representative
sexton,
for
bringing
this
I
found
it
very
comforting
to
have
a
minister
in
our
building,
and
bill
has
been
there
for
many
things
from
people
needed,
we're
hurting
we're
worried
or
you
know,
to
pray
with
them
and
whoever
the
chaplain
is.
I
just
think
it's
it's
a
wonderful
thing
and
I
certainly
will
be
supporting
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
A
I
Good
morning,
yes
ma'am,
I
believe
it
is
one
four
nine
one.
Four.
I
You
so
much
very
simply.
What
we
are
seeking
to
do
here
is
for
law
enforcement
officers
of
our
state
for
the
political
subdivisions
and
counties
and
state
law
enforcement
officers.
We
are
seeking
that
every
for
every
five
years
of
employment
they
can
accrue
one
year
towards
retirement.
So
with
that
being
said,
they
could
fully
retire
25
years
with
30
years
of
service.
Now
there
are
a
couple
mechanisms
within
the
the
bill,
and
the
amendment
makes
the
bill,
but
there's
a
couple
mechanisms
that
we
have
in
place
here
to
do
this.
I
A
A
F
F
B
B
H
Thank
madam
chairman,
this
is
josh
houston
legal
services.
The
amendment
for
representative
wendell
is
14087
and
the
way
that
the
the
definition
of
law
enforcement
officer
is
drafted
in
the
original
bill.
It
means
a
member
of
the
tennessee
highway
patrol
police
officer,
sheriff
sheriff's,
deputy
employed,
full-time
municipality
or
political
subdivision
of
the
state
or
police
officer
agent
or
investigator,
employed
full-time
by
the
state
whose
primary
responsibility
is
the
prevention
and
detection
of
crime
and
apprehension
of
offenders.
H
J
A
We
are
back
into
session
chairman
wendell.
I.
I
I
just
would
like
to
say
thank
you
for
for
your
time
this
morning
and
a
bill
like
this.
I
think
it
is
important
for
our
law
enforcement
officers
and
agents
across
the
state
and
our
communities.
I
I
They
go
to
work
here,
they're
trained
and
then
they
leave
and
go
out
of
state
because
of
retirement
benefits,
and
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
keep
those
men
and
women
in
uniform
here
when
they
get
to
year
12
when
they
get
to
year
13
that
they
can
look
down
the
road
and
say
you
know
I
have.
I
have
another
11
11
or
12
years,
and
I
can
I
can
retire
and
still
have
plenty
of
time
to
do
other
things
in
life.
I
But
that's
our
that's
simply
our
goal
to
help
in
this
process
and
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me
I'll,
be
ready
to
answer.
A
I
A
I
Yes,
ma'am,
I
believe
I
do
15006.
I
What
we
are
doing
here
is
we
we've
done
this
in
the
past.
I
brought
a
bill
very
similar
to
this
last
year
about
the
10th
amendment,
the
united
states
constitution
and
setting
up
a
a
10th
amendment
committee
to
review
acts
and
laws
and
things
that
come
down
from
the
federal
government.
I
What
this
amendment
does
is
puts
that
committee
in
the
government
operations
committee
and
so
and
there's
some
things
outlined
in
there.
That's
current
with
how
government
operations
operates
currently.
So,
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
I'll
be
glad
to
answer.
E
You
thank
you,
chair,
lady
chairman
doggett,
so
so
this
this
committee,
then,
would
be
governor.
Ops
would
be
as
an
oversight
committee,
basically
or
in
general
terms,
or
what?
How
do
you?
How
do
you.
I
That
that's
a
very
good
analysis
that
the
government
operations
committee
would
be
tasked
with
this
this
task,
and
so
it
also
if,
when
their
findings
are
present,
it
will
come
before
both
houses
and
then
by
resolution
go
to
the
attorney
general
for
further
action.
I
A
little
differently,
but
you
know
based
off
of
the
way
that
our
legislature
is
comprised.
We
thought
that
it
would
be
one
financially
and
and
more
feasible
to
put
it
through
the
government
operations
committee
because
they
meet
numerous
times
throughout
the
year.
Even
when
we're
not
in
session,
and
so
anything
that
may
come
about,
they
would
have
an
opportunity
for
examination.
E
Okay,
all
right
so
that
wouldn't
bring
on
additional
legal
staff
for
all.
Well,
no,
it
doesn't
look
like
it
according
to
the
physical
note,
very,
very,
very
small
physical
here,
or
it
looks
like
it
anyway.
Okay,
I
think
that's
got
me.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
dogwood.
Thank
you
chair,
lady.
Thank.
G
I
G
G
E
H
E
Administration
I
see
where
they
flagged
you.
Why
have
they
flagged
you
have
they,
I
mean,
why
would
they
be
opposed
to
this?
Did
they
have
they
ever
given
you
a
reason
for
this.
I
I
haven't
heard
of
anything
from
the
administration
on
this
bill
really
no
sir,
but
they
I
have
several
flagpoles
in
my
yard
and
they.
E
A
E
F
C
C
C
C
It
specifies
that
this
legislation
does
not
provide
for
the
transfer
of
the
nathan
bedford
forest
bus
recently
transferred
from
the
state
capitol
to
the
state
museum.
In
addition,
it
specifies
that
this
legislation
only
applies
to
items
not
currently
on
public
display
in
the
civil
war
and
reconstruction
permanent
exit
exhibition
at
the
state
museum.
C
C
I
do
have
some
folks
that
would
like
to
speak
to
this.
If
I
may,
madam
chair
go
out
of
session
and
have
them
speak
to
the
committee
members.
Thank.
A
H
Okay,
I
thought
it
was
sorry.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
lee
miller,
I'm
from
the
from
memphis
representing
the
sons
of
confederate
veterans
and
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
forest
family
descendant
of
general
forest.
The
museum
has
thousands
and
thousands
of
artifacts
and
relics
and
items
there
that
they
are
unable
to
display.
H
They
just
don't
have
the
space
or
the
funds
to
do
that,
and
they
need
to
be
where
the
public
can
get
to
them
to
learn
and
where
these
can
be
adequately
displayed
and
interpreted,
and
we
would
like
their
transfer
of
that.
The
museum
has
at
least
80
flags
from
the
civil
war.
You
know
how
many
are
on
display
two.
H
They
are
only
displaying
two
of
these
historic
flags.
Excuse
me,
the
sons
of
confederate
veterans
has
donated
over
300
000
to
the
museum
for
the
restoration
of
these
flags.
A
number
of
these
have
been
restored,
but
they're
not
out
they're,
tucked
away,
nobody
can
see
them
and
we
propose
that
they
be
transferred
to
the
museum
in
columbia,
so
they
can
be
seen
and
viewed
and
visited,
and
people
can
do
research
on
them
and
perhaps
right
to
them
with
their
ancestors.
H
Also,
these
other
artifacts
relics
and
of
which
there
are
thousands
serving
the
same
fate,
they're
tucked
away
and
nobody
can
see
them.
These
need
to
be
on
display.
Tennessee
has
a
great
history.
H
I've
been
a
tennessee
historian,
all
my
life
and
we've
got
a
great
history,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
like
to
do
is
educate
people
about
all
the
things
that
went
on
in
tennessee,
both
sides
of
the
war,
all
the
people
on
both
sides:
men
and
women,
blacks,
whites,
chinese,
puerto
ricans,
everybody
who
was
involved
with
the
war
between
the
states
and
it
is
important
to
get
this
out,
and
so
we
feel
that
these
items
we
can
take
the
burden
off
of
the
state
museum
and
display
these
things.
H
So
people
can
actually
enjoy
them
and
and
learn
from
them,
and
so
that's
the
the
gist
of
this.
Thank
you.
G
G
H
The
director
of
the
museum
and
that'll
be,
if
you
don't
wanna,
address
that
real
quickly
or
we'll
certainly
make
arrangements
for
school
groups.
Youth
groups
scouts
anybody
to
come
visit
the
museum
and
see
the
these
artifacts.
Okay.
G
E
You
chair,
lady,
mr
midler,
thank
you
for
being
with
us.
The
these
items
then,
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
or
not
the
the
state
museum
folks
are
on
tap
to
to
bring
testimony
or
not
I'm
asking
you
the
these
artifacts,
so
they're
in
storage.
Right
now
I
take
it
at
the
state
museum
or
in
various
other
locations.
That's
correct!
Various
other
locations
are
all
at
stake.
As
far.
E
E
It's
just
a
matter
then,
if,
if
this,
if,
if
this
passes
then
it'll
be
just
a
matter
of
once
it's
signed
into
into
law,
then
we'll
we'll
load
the
truck
and
head
that
head
south
right.
Yes,
sir
just
load
them
up
and
go
yes,
sir.
E
All
right,
thank
thank
you,
mr
miller.
I
appreciate
that
and
thank
you
chairleigh
speaker.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
and
mr
miller,
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
thank
you.
We
heard
earlier
in
testimony
that
there
is
a
process
to
move
items
from
the
state
museum.
Have
you
all
started
the
process
or
have
you
asked
permission
or
are
they
working
with
you
all
to
try
to.
H
Get
this
done.
We've
talked
to
the
museum
staff
about
that,
but
we've
not
proceeded
to
actually
the
the
details
of
the
process
that
will
be
worked
out
so
that
we
can.
You
know.
E
H
Safely,
all
these
historical
items
to
make
sure
that
they're,
preserved
and
protected.
F
I
I
just
sort
of
you
know
my
have
a
personal
opinion
that
there,
if
there
is
a
process-
and
you
all
want
to
move
them-
and
maybe
they
want
you
to
have
them-
that
we
ought
to
go
through
the
proper
process
of
filling
out
paperwork,
getting
it
approved,
making
sure
everybody's
on
board
and
capable
of
doing
what
you
say,
you're
capable
of
doing-
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
them-
moving
if
they're
not
using
them,
but
I
do
think
there
should
be.
We
don't
need
legislation
just
to
jerk
them
out.
H
Yes,
sir
we'd
like
to
the
house
and
of
course,
the
senate,
to
provide
that
authorization
so
that
this
can
be
done,
and
then
we
can
we'll
work
out
the
details
of
moving
these
hidden
items
to
so
they'll
be
out
in
display.
So
I
appreciate
your
support
for
this.
E
Mr
miller,
yes-
and
maybe
this
goes
to
the
sponsor
to
chair
lady
weaver-
yesterday's
action
in
the
senate-
do
we
know
what
what
occurred
there,
what
the
status
is.
H
That
was
rolled
the
next
week,
art.
H
K
Thank
you.
I'm
ashley,
howell
executive
director
of
the
tennessee
state
museum
and
my
voice
will
catch
up.
It's
an
issue
that
I
have
just
some
metrics,
because
the
the
bill
states,
I
believe
it's
400
artifacts.
K
Artifacts
related
to
the
civil
war
of
those
items,
1000
earth
who's
associated
with
the
confederacy
or
confederate.
So
this
was
a
search
database
to
come
up
with
these
metrics.
All
of
this,
of
course,
we
would
have
to
go
through
the
paper
files
of
those
items.
448
were
purchased
either
through
acquisition
funds
through
the
tennessee
state,
museum
and
or
the
tennessee
state
museum
foundation.
K
K
We
have
281
artifacts
on
display
in
the
civil
war
and
reconstruction
gallery,
which
is
the
largest
gallery
permanent
collection
gallery
at
the
museum
and,
if
you
haven't
visited,
I
hope
you
do.
We
have
additional
131
images
of
artifacts
in
that
gallery
and
we
also
make
available
a
large
portion
of
this
collection
virtually
so
digital.
K
K
This
month
we
were
just
the
recipients
of
a
grant
to
add
items
specifically
related
to
the
civil
war
reconstruction
to
the
website.
Our
flat
collection
is
on
the
website.
These
are
accessible
not
only
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
but
around
the
country
around
the
world.
Civil
war
is
the
number
one
search
term
in
that
database,
so
we
it
when
we
talk
about
what's
on
display
and
what
is
in
storage,
the
storage
piece.
K
I
wanted
to
think
about
that.
As
a
research
piece,
a
protection
piece,
it
is
in
the
current
custody
of
the
tennessee
state
museum
items
like
the
flags
are
very
delicate,
cannot
be
in
sunlight,
for
very
long
cannot
be
in
light
very
long,
and
richard
can
can
talk
about
richard
white
curator
with
the
state
museum
can
talk
specifically
about
the
flag
collection,
but
one
thing
I
do
want
to
point
out
is:
we
are
free
to
the
public.
We
are
open
six
days
a
week
since
we
have
opened
in
our
new
facility.
K
We
have
had
over
400
000
visitors,
we
have
had
over
60
000
school
kids
come
through,
and
that
is
during
the
challenges
that
we've
had,
even
in
the
last
two
years
with
school
tours.
So
we
are
committed
to
our
mission,
we're
committed
to
our
collection
and
we're
committed
to
the
service
of
the
people
of
tennessee.
A
L
Richard
white
tennessee
state
museum.
Yes,
we
have
a
civil
war
flag
collection
that
represents
both
union
and
confederate.
We
have
83
flags
in
our
collection.
23
of
those
flags
have
been
professionally
conserved.
That
has
been
done
with
some
contribution
from
the
sons
of
confederate
veterans,
but
the
they
are
very
well
cleaned,
stabilized
and
pressure
mounted
in
frames
that
they
can
stay
in
for
30
to
35
plus
years.
L
Two
years
ago,
the
state
museum
published
the
civil
war
flags
of
tennessee.
It's
approximately
an
800
page
book
that
covers
every
known
civil
war
flag
to
exist
that
was
associated
with
the
state
of
tennessee,
so
battle
flags,
union
flags,
garrison
flags,
naval
flags,
all
the
flags
are
photographed
in
there
at
high
res
and,
as
ashley
said,
they
are
available
on
the
website
as
well.
A
G
Okay,
great
two
questions
you
said:
there's
artifacts
on
the
website
is
that
right,
if
someone
ahead
of
time
wanted
to
view
that
artifact,
could
they
submit
a
request
and
actually
go
down
and
see
it
you'd,
pull
it
out
and
show
it
to
them?
Yes,
yes,
the
second
thing
is,
and
this
is
why
I
believe
that
they
should
remain.
Is
we
don't
know
what
happens
in
the
future
right
so
or
maybe
it's
a
day
in
history,
or
maybe
some
issue
comes
up
that
really
focuses
on.
G
You
can
pull
those
artifacts
then
put
it
on
display
and-
and
I
don't
know
how
often
you
rotate
different
things
but
to
have
access
to
those,
especially
if
some
issue
comes
up
that
the
public
has
great
interest
in
then
we're
able
to
provide
that
free,
accessible
and
and
really
put
a
spotlight
on
it
with
the
resources
of
the
state
museum.
So
that's
why
I
would
be
in
favor
of
keeping
the
artifacts
there.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
cheerleading,
mr
white.
What
you
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
to
what
you
mentioned
about
the
flags!
What
what
rotation
cycle
do
you
have
those
every
three
months,
every
six,
every
every,
every
12
hou?
How
do
you?
How
do
you,
how
you
guys,
procedurally,
how
you
handle
that.
L
Well,
covid
has
sort
of
restricted
us
on
that
in
the
last
few
years,
but
generally
textiles
rotate
on
a
yearly
basis
in
terms
of
the
level
of
light
and
their
exposure
to
the
environment.
So
we
try
to
rotate
things
on
a
yearly
basis.
Okay,
and
that
includes
uniforms,
flags,
anything
that
will
move
textile.
E
K
E
K
Specifically
for
that
space
and
we'll
also
mention,
in
addition
to
the
permanent
collection
galleries,
we
have
six
rotating
galleries
to
sort
of
change
out,
artifacts
on
a
temporary
basis.
So.
E
Okay,
so
temporary
versus
permanent
to
this
281
represents
permanent.
K
Yes,
so
that
is,
that
is
the
number
of
art
facts
that
we
have
in
the
quote:
unquote:
permanent
collection
gallery
related
to
civil
war
and
reconstruction,
in
addition
to
the
number
of
graphics
and
the
interactives
that
we
have
in
that
space.
Okay,.
E
So
a
total
again
a
total,
let's
just
just
let's,
let's
just
review
so
we've
got
a
total
number
well
minus
the
281.,
then
how
many
artifacts
mr
whiteton,
have
we
got
sitting
over
there
that
right
now,
if
I
walk
in,
I
won't
see
I'm
not
going
to.
L
L
Have
approximately
four
thousand
one
hundred
and
seventeen
artifacts
related
to
the
civil
war
in
general?
Okay,
now
I
will
say
that
some
of
these
artifacts
are
probably
would
never
go
on
display
they're
for
the
purpose
of
having
the
representational
piece,
but
they
could
be
in
a
level
of
deterioration
or
a
level
of
instability
that
we
can't
really
put
them
on
display.
E
Yeah,
okay!
Well
it
just
to
me,
I
mean
we've
got
a
lot
of
artifacts
here
that
that
are
not
being
seen
not
being
being
viewed,
and
I
say
oops
shame
we.
We
need
to
get
those
pieces
out
that
can
be
that
can
be
displayed
regardless
of
where
they
are,
and
you
know
I
have
you
ever
have
y'all
ever
received
a
a
requisition
from
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans
for
temporarily
relocation
of
those
to
for
display
down
down
at
elm
springs.
K
So
richard
can
speak
to
the
sweet,
did
receive
an
inquiry
in
late
2019
to
come
visit
the
collection
and
richard
provided
access
to
see
the
collection.
You
know
with
the
follow
up
of
a
loan
request.
Loan
requests
are
a
part
of
our
function.
We
lend
to
museums
all
across
the
state
all
across
the
country,
and
you
know
for
the
purpose
of
seeing.
K
What's
in
the
collection
we
have,
there
is
no
inquiry
made
about
a
specific
loan
and
truly
with
all
of
these
discussions,
I
have
sent
a
general
facility
report
to
mr
southern.
That's
the
first
step
and
what
the
facility
report
says
is.
This
is
the
kind
of
building
we
have.
This
is
the
kind
of
security
have
this.
Is
we
have
windows
in
the
galleries?
We
don't
have
windows
in
the
galleries.
It's
truly
just
a
checklist.
K
So
some
of
the
issues
that
that
richard
and
I
have
outlined
then
we
can.
We
can
work
with
an
institution
to
kind
of
tailor
that
list
based
on
the
space,
because
if
we
are
giving
6
500
square
feet
to
281
artifacts,
imagine
what
this
space
would
be
to
display.
4
hundred
and
eleven
artifacts
to
the
public.
K
E
E
Anyway,
I
I
I
just
I
do
have
a
question,
but
I've
I've
I've
lost
it.
Okay,
do
you
ever
do
you
ever
do
that
church
when
it.
E
May
be
other
questions,
let's
let
let
me
just
fly
out
of
sight
here
and
I
I
appreciate
y'all.
I
may
be
coming
back
in
a
minute
forward.
Thank
you,
chair
lady.
I
appreciate
it
alexander.
D
D
Okay,
they
said
they
in
testimony
earlier
that
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
was
something
like
you
all
gave
them
three
hundred
thousand
three
hundred
three
hundred
dollars
or
three
hundred
thousand
three
hundred
thousand
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
preserve
those
flags.
You
talk
about
each
artifact
or
each
flag.
You
said,
has
been
pressed
and
is
in
in
between
glasses
that
correct
every.
K
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
distinction
we
have,
and
richard
has
been
working
on
the
the
conservation
efforts.
I
believe
23
flags
have
been
concerned
is
that
correct,
23
flags
out
of
83
flags
have
been
conserved.
We
do
have
a.
K
We
have
three
flags
that
are
scheduled
for
conservation
and
we
are
essentially
on
the
waiting
list
with
that
conservator.
So
we're
we're
almost
up
for
that.
So
there
is.
There
are
funds
set
aside
for
that
conservation,
but
I'll
also
state.
We
have
had
other
funds
for
conservation.
K
K
Would
I
would
have
to
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
specifically,
I
do
know
that
there
were
prince
sold
of,
can
confederate
military
leaders,
and
these
prints
were
manufactured
and
sold
for
the
purpose
of
raising
money
for
the
nation,
but
for
before
spiced.
Okay,
we
have
a
series
of
those
brands.
Some
of
those
prints
are
a
forest.
Some
of
those
friends
are
lee
there,
so
there
are
some
artifacts
related
to
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
F
F
E
Well,
thank
you,
chair
lady,
and
I'm
going
to
just
conclude
with
this.
I'm
going
to
support
this
legislation.
I
I
I
I
concur
with
leader
marsh.
I
think
there
should
be
some
meeting
in
the
middle.
I
think
there
ought
to
be
a
way
to
to
get
to
get
some
of
these
artifacts
down
to
m
springs
and
get
them
on
display,
but
anyway
I
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
That's
where
I'm
going
to
be.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
lady.
D
I
don't
know
if
this
proper
can
I
ask
speaker
marsh.
Something:
is
that
yes,
is
that
proper,
I'm
not
sure
speaker
marsh
so
you're
saying
we
don't
need
this
legislation
at
all
that
what
should
occur
is
that
they
should
go
through
the
loan
process
to
get
them
back.
F
F
D
More
question
of
those
hate
artifacts
are
any
of
those
on
display.
K
The
the
prints
are
not
on
display
and
I
would
have
to
look
at
the
other
list,
but
it's
they've
been
recent
gifts.
I'd
say
recent
last
30
40
years
that
that
they
were
given
to
the
state
museum
and
we're
happy
to
provide
that
list
and
and
we're
happy
to
provide
a
list
of
artifacts
that
are
available
to
own
and
we're
also,
you
know,
happy
to
visit,
elm,
springs
and
and
talk
about
a
loan
process
that
process
exists
and
that
process
is
utilized
by
museums
across
the
state
regularly.
A
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
and
members.
A
couple
things
I'd
like
to
bring
to
your
attention
and
and
representative
marsh.
Yes,
indeed,
that's
part
of
our
job
down
here
is
is
why
are
we
carrying
what
we're
carrying?
Why
is
the
need
for
the
legislation
and
to
come
up
with
a
solution?
So
that
was
a
very
a
good
question
and
a
comment
you
made
to
your
point.
Yes,
there
is
a
process
to,
and
the
sons
of
the
confederate
are
have
been
have
lend
the
olive
branch.
C
If
you
will
and
have
recognized
how
many
of
their
items
are,
are
theirs
they
paid
for
them.
They'd
like
to
be
able
to
be
a
part
of
that
process,
to
show
some
of
these
flags
and
to
tell
the
rest
of
the
story
to
those
as
well.
Every
flag
has
a
story
and
a
battleground
here
in
our
state
that
our
children
need
to
know,
but
there
was
a
request
to
actually
see
the
flags
and
the
artifacts
by
just
as
recently
as
january,
by
one
of
the
sons
of
the
confederate
and
they
were
denied.
C
We
simply
want
to.
We
want
the
process,
we're
deaf
we're
for
the
process.
We
want
to
be
able
to
share
those
items
and
for
them
to
tell
the
story.
I
also
will
admit
I
bring
to
your
attention
you
ask
about.
Well:
is
the
museum
capable
of
preserving
and
protecting
due
to
the
issues
of
the
flags
and
how
gentile
they
are
and
fragile?
Yes,
they
do
they
have
budgeted.
C
They
have
already
done
a
seven
thousand
seven
thousand
dollars
invested
into
their
lighting
issues
because,
as
you
heard,
the
curator
mentioned
that
is
very
important
in
preserving
these
flags,
so
they
have
things
in
place
to
protect
they're,
certainly
not
going
to
ask
for
something
and
not
that
is
dear
to
them
and
their
story
and
protecting
their
story
and
not
provide
the
protections
that
are
needed
for
it.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
those
that
to
your
attention.
Thank
you.
G
G
They
can
do
with
artifacts
what
they
please,
and
so,
as
for
what
you
can't
think
of
right
now,
maybe
they
get
sued,
maybe
they
lose
those
they
lose.
The
artifacts
maybe
times
get
tough.
They
want
to
sell
a
flag
or
two
to
help
with
the
budget,
so
losing
the
protection
of
the
state
really
concerns
me
where
those
artifacts
may
end
up,
and
god
forbid,
they
end
up
on
ebay.
G
For
some
reason
and
that's
what
I
don't,
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
their
intent
what's
happening,
it's
what
you
can't
think
of
it's
going
to
happen
in
the
future
when
it's
in
a
private
collection
and
it's
not
protected
by
the
state,
and
so
that's.
Why
that
I
can't
support
the
bill.
So
thank
you,
chairman.
A
C
Now
there,
because
you
know
the
tennessee
museum,
they
have
their
process
and
procedures.
You
cannot
just
take
this
stuff
and
do,
as
you
said,
which
I
would
be
concerned
about
as
well
to
sell
something
for
a
million
bucks
or,
and
you
know,
blah
blah.
That's
not
that's!
That's
guarded
in
the
process
and
the
procedure,
but
my
question
to
you,
representative
is:
do
you
really
believe
that
these
artifacts
are
protected
and
I'll?
And
to
my?
C
G
C
G
G
E
E
Let's
stress
it
reads-
all
historical,
historical
relics
relating
to
the
confederate
states
of
america
that
are
currently
under
the
care
and
management
of
the
state
museum,
and
it
goes
on,
but
I'm
going
to
pause
there
is.
Is
it
your
understanding
that
the
state
museum
in
their
testimony
says
they
have
281
on
display
on
display
currently
does?
Is
this
statement
include
those
281
or
those
200
in
your?
E
again?
This
is
the
summary
so
that
that's
that's
the
only
you
know
have
reservations
there,
or
does
that
mean
we're
going
to
empty
the
state
museum
of
all
the
confederate
and
they
go
and
it
heads
down
springs,
you're,
saying
no
you're.
C
Okay,
so
I
was
there
just
monday,
I
didn't
see.
281
flags
displayed
the
only
ones
that
I'm
I'm
asking
about
right
now
are
the
ones
that
have
been
paid
for
currently
by
the
sons
of
the
confederate
veterans,
the
23
that
were
paid
for
and
and
then
to
the
representative's
point,
the
members
here
they
they
understand.
We
have
a
rotation,
they
have
a
rotation
in
place
and
they
they
again
they
wanna.
C
E
You
chair,
lady,
may
I
ask:
could
we
go
out
of
session
just
and
and
turn
our
attention
to
legal
and
and
see
if
legal
could
address
this?
My
concern.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
josh,
with
legal
services,
so
this
bill
does
require
that
all
artifacts
related
to
the
confederate
states
of
america
be
transferred,
but
it
does
exempt
the
ones
that
are
currently
on
display
now.
If
they
take
them
off
a
display,
then
they
should
be.
They
are
required
to
be
immediately
transferred
to
the
sons
of
confederate
veterans.
At
that
time,.
D
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
this
right,
so
this
is
referencing
200,
the
200
and
some
artifacts
right.
I
I'm
I'm
confused
about
number
one,
whether
it's
flags
or
it's
relics,
I'm
confused
about-
are
they?
Are
they
asking
for
stuff
that
they
didn't
pay
for,
because
my
understanding,
according
to
the
state
museum,
that
there
was
only
eight
and
now
that
the
sun's
the
confederate
paid
for
and
now
they're
asking
for
everything
that
deals
with
the
civil
war
to
be
sent
to
elm?
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
H
D
D
D
Don't
blame
you.
I
was
kind
of
rambling
all
right.
Okay,
we
we've
had
some
conflicting
testimonies
here.
First
of
all,
we
have
someone
that
says
that
we
have
all
these
flags,
and
then
we
have
the
state
museum
that
comes
in
said.
I
don't
know
of
any
flags
that
the
sons
of
the
confederate
have
given
us.
Then
we
have
a
summary
in
the
legal
summary
that
says
relating
to
the
confederate
states
of
america.
All
historical
relics
will
be
given.
D
A
A
A
B
You,
madam
chair
and
committee
members,
very
simple
bill
for
transfer,
provides
transparency
during
an
emergency
situation.
This
provides
for
transparency
for
emergency
purchases,
as
defined
in
the
bill
that
are
approved
by
central
procurement
by
requiring
reporting
to
the
fiscal
review
committee.
This
is
very
similar
to
a
bill
we
passed
a
couple
of
years
ago,
but
specific
to
emergency
situations,
there's
10
reporting
requirements
that
are
included
in
the
bill
in
section
1a,
and
it
also
provides
a
path
for
a
hearing
for
the
physical
review
committee.
A
A
C
C
Yes,
it's
drafting
code
zero,
one
five,
eight,
eight,
eight.
A
C
You
chair
lady,
as
amended
house
bill
2872
makes
changes
to
penalties
for
offenses
under
the
heritage
protection
act.
It
creates
a
new
class,
a
misdemeanor
offense
against
any
person
who
is
not
authorized
to
intentionally
carve
upon
write,
paint
or
otherwise
mark
upon
or
deface
any
memorial
or
to
intentionally
in
any
manner
destroy
damage,
knock
down,
mutilate,
mar
or
steal
a
memorial.
C
This
bill
does
what
it
says:
it
makes
it
a
punitive
for
someone
messing
with
our
history.
You
guys
have
read.
You
read
the
stories
in
the
last
two
years.
It's
unconscionable
what's
happening
across
our
nation,
it's
in
the
it's
on
the
front
page
of
the
news,
and
if
we
don't
protect
what
is
out
there
now
in
monuments,
our
grandchildren
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
see
those
stories.
C
There
is
threats
of
removing
andrew
jackson,
away
from
I
love
walking
up
the
steps
to
the
chamber
from
the
corner
hall
and
and
seeing
that
beautiful
monument
there
and
our
history
of
our
state
and
would
be
an
absolute
demise.
If
that
would
be
desecrated
paint
thrown
on
it
or
hurt
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
C
And
this
bill
simply
puts
into
action
what
will
happen
if
you
do
it,
you
know
kids
mess
up
the
stuff
and
they
don't
think
there's
any
penalty
they're
going
to
continue
to
do
it,
and
this
bill
ceases.
This
bill
will
protect
what
we
already
have.
I
have
someone
I'd
like
to
speak
to
this
and
I
know
we've
we've
spent
some
time
on
this,
but
this
is
very
important,
so
bear
with
me-
and
I
would
like
to
have
mr
phillips.
A
C
That
amendment
was
just
pretty
much
brought
together,
so
we
are
going
to
be
in
the
midst
of
restoring
the
war
memorial
and
we
didn't
want
any
language
in
place
because
they're
going
to
have
to
move
some
things
and
they're
going
to
be
and
and
we
needed
to
fix
it
so
that
they
could
move
some
of
those
articles
as
they're
restoring
and
renovating
and
put
them
back.
J
The
sun's
veterans
on
this
matter,
so
I'm
the
attorney
who's,
been
fighting
these
monument
cases
in
north
carolina,
kentucky
and
tennessee
is
your
microphone
and
sir?
Yes,
ma'am.
Sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
and
with
regard
to
these
issues
I
have
seen
in
virginia
north
carolina,
particularly,
but
I
also
worked
on
legislation
or
what
we
could
save
out
of
their
money
protection
act.
I
helped
that
legislative
process
in
terms
of
being
legislative
analyst.
J
So
what
I
can
tell
you
is
is
that,
for
example,
governor
cooper,
governor
northam,
they
sat
back
and
let
people
destroy
monuments,
vandalize
them
and
do
as
they
please
and
they
said
well
we're
powerless.
I
said
we
don't
have
anything
we
can
do.
We
don't
have
police
force
from
the
national
guard.
They
just
you
know
the
mayors
of
those
cities
where
that
happened.
They
turned
their
backs
on
it
all
and
they
just
let
it
play
out.
J
So
what
these
this
bill
and
the
amendments
will
do
is
actually
put
teeth
in
our
legislation,
basically
say:
there's
a
penalty
for
doing
these
things,
don't
do
them,
whether
you're
a
municipality,
a
county,
whatever
you
may
be,
or
an
individual
citizen.
You
just
can't
do
this
now.
I
can
tell
you
in
fighting
these
monument
cases,
you
know
for
the
past
four
years
of
my
life,
I
can
go
back
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
on
this
issue,
but
back
in
the
day,
we
heard
well,
let's
remove
these
monuments
from
battlefields
put
them
in
museums.
J
Now
here's
what
the
southern
poverty
law
center
says.
This
is
the
third
edition
of
this
paper
they
put
out
and
it's
called,
whose
heritage
public
symbols
of
the
confederacy
february
1st
2022,
and
they
say
when
people
are
taught
that
heritage
groups
and
white
southerners
erected
confederate
monuments
in
response
to
reconstruction
during
the
jim
crow
era
to
venerate
the
white
supremacist
values
of
the
confederacy,
all
of
a
sudden
people
start
supporting
removal,
because
once
you
educate
them
right
to
tell
them
why
these
things
came
into
existence
without
telling
them
the
full
story.
J
J
They
said
you
know.
First
of
all,
it's
demonstrated
clearly
by
the
fact
that
there's
systemic
racial
inequality,
that's
endemic
in
our
society
and
is
built
on
our
very
institutions,
destroying
these
monuments
will
not
erase
the
legacy
of
slavery,
but
abolishing
these
memorials
is
a
first
and
essential
step
in
combating
the
white
supremacist
values.
So
what
they're
telling
you
is
is
that
okay,
we
told
you
five
years
ago.
J
We
want
them
in
museums,
on
battlefields,
there's,
federal
legislation
in
committee
right
now,
that's
hanging
out
saying
we're
going
to
take
the
confederate
monuments
down
from
gettysburg
down
from
shiloh
wherever
and
it
there's
no
stop.
It's
like
a
a
continual
moving
line,
a
target
that
we
never.
We
can
never
satiate
their
cravings,
and
now
they
tell
you
that
southern
poverty
law
center
they
want
them
destroyed,
there's
no
end
to
it.
So
that's
why
I
think
this
these
amendments
and
this
bill
are
the
teeth
that
we
need
to
stop.
This
foolishness
from
happening.
J
J
J
Well,
it
addresses
it,
but
it
doesn't
address
penalties.
For
example,
you
know
with
one
amendment
is
ten
thousand
a
day:
fine
for
municipalities
and
counties
or
whatever
entity
political
subdivision,
the
state
that
just
turns
their
back
and
doesn't
protect
these
things.
Just
think
of
what
happened
in
raleigh
when
you
look
at
raleigh
north
carolina
well,
richmond
as
well.
Well,
that's
exactly
right,
but
let
me
go
with
general.
Okay.
E
J
Ahead,
I'm
sorry,
but
with
governor
cooper
you
know
he
tweeted
out
in
2020
in
june
of
2020,
once
the
monuments
were
damaged
in
downtown
raleigh,
I
used
to
practice
in
raleigh
as
an
attorney.
I
just
walked
by
those
monuments
every
day
and
so
where
the
old
state
capitol
building
is
it's
a
square
and
there
are
four
streets
that
come
into
that
square.
J
They
could
have.
You
know
closed
all
that
off
with
the
national
guard
and
the
state
police.
They
chose
not
to
do
that.
The
mayor
didn't
ask
for
any
help.
There
were
no
police
there,
they
stood
down
and
then
these
people
are
out
there
destroying
these
monuments.
So
what
we're
saying
under
this
bill
is,
if
you're
going
to
go
down
this
road
of
trying
to
destroy
a
monument
you
face
a
criminal
penalty.
J
You
just
can't
go
ahead
and
do
this
because
some
places
don't
even
prosecute
them.
You
know
back
in
2015,
I
believe,
when
the
confederate
monument
by
the
courthouse
in
durham,
I
actually
used
to
walk
by
that
monument
go
into
that
courthouse
that
was
destroyed
and
no
one
ever
faced
criminal
charges.
Well,
they
did,
but
they
were
dismissed
right.
E
Well,
we're
running
out
and
absolutely
you
know
I'm
cognizant
cognizant
of
the
time
chair
lady,
but
if,
if
you
may,
if
you
would
allow
me
this
moment,
it's
not
that
I
I'm
not
taking
that
your
word
for
that.
But
could
we
go
out
of
session?
E
H
H
What
we're
hearing
tca
39-14-408
is
the
vandalism
statute
that
prohibits
a
person.
It
says
a
person
commits
the
defense
of
vandalism,
who
knowingly
causes
damage
to
or
destruction
of
any
real
or
personal
property
of
another
or
of
the
state,
the
united
states,
any
county,
city
or
town.
Knowing
that
the
person
does
not
have
the
owner's
effect
of
consent,
and
there
are
some
other
other
elements
as
well.
That
could
cause
a.
E
Violation,
does
it
go
on?
Well,
it
doesn't
surely
you're
right.
Does
it
go
on
to
to
list,
you
know
the
the
penalties
or
or
the
outcome.
H
Yes,
it
doesn't
and
the
the
penalties
are
based
on
the
value
of
the
property
that
was
damaged,
so
it
it
it's
a
range
of
a
very
low
misdemeanor
to
up
into
a
felony
that
depended
on
the
the
the
amount
of
damage
that
was
done.
E
C
Thank
you
chair,
lady
again,
the
the
need
for
the
bill
is
to
put
the
burden
on
the
cities
that
are
allowing
this
to
happen,
and
so
this
bill
reiterates
that
it's
important
that
they
know
they're
responsible
for
the
monuments,
and
I
just
want
to
add
this
to
the
question:
we've
we've
seen
many
monuments
go
away
and
the
question
I'm
going
to
ask
you
if
we
don't
do
something
what's
going
to
be
the
next
monument,
and
I
think
this
bill
addresses
that
to
the
best
that
we
can
at
this
point.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady.
A
A
B
Yes,
this
bill
creates
and
checks,
checks
and
balances
for
the
education
commissioner,
strategic
plan.
According
to
bill
house
bill
1883
that
recently
passed
the
house,
the
state
board
of
education
will
now
evenly
be
composed
of
appointed
members.
Three
members
are
appointed
from
the
house
three
from
the
senate
and
three
from
the
governor.
F
Well,
don't
they
do
that
now
with
the
governor
and
the
commissioner,
both
it's
the
governor's
plan.
I
guess
the
commissioner
works
for
the
governor
correct
and
it's
basically
his
plan,
but
it's
through
all
their
commissioners
come
up
with
plans
for
their
different
departments.
So
I
really
don't
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
right.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
lainey,
representative
warner.
I
I
I
I
think
I
get
it,
but
I'm
just
having
some.
You
know
some
doubt
about.
If
this
is
the
proper
way
we
need
to
go
with
this.
I
I'm
gonna.
I
appreciate
your
effort.
Philosophically
I'm
just
gonna
have
to
disagree
and
I
I
will
be
going
down
on
it,
but
thank
you
for
your
time
and
dedication
on
this.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
chair
lady.
B
Yeah
they
just
they,
don't
like
the
idea
of
the
commissioner
having
having
to
create
this
plan,
I'm
assuming
that's.
Why.
D
D
B
B
I'm
not
aware
of
any,
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
they
do
or
not.
Okay,
I'm
on
education,
committee
and-
and
you
know,
we
think
this
would
be
a
great
idea
for
the
state
and
it
would
help
our
education
program
here
in
the
state.
F
B
Anything
anything
to
to
to
do
with
the
education
that
would
help
our
students.
I
mean,
I
guess
it
would
it
could.
It
could
be
all
all
matters
of
things,
testing,
how
we
eva
evaluate
teachers.
You
know
it
could
be.
You
know
numerous
things.
F
I
I
already
think
we're
doing
all
of
that.
You
know
it
might
not
be
in
a
written
plan,
but
I
think
everything.