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House State Government Committee- March 22, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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You
very
much
all
right,
wow,
okay,
we've
got.
We've
got
just
a
few
things
that
I'd
like
to
that.
I'm
that
I'm
going
to
mention,
but
first
I
want
to
give
you
the
members
an
opportunity
for
any.
Do
you
have
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
members
from
the
members?
Oh
wow,
pretty
quiet
today,
all
right!
Let
us
we
certainly
want
to
remember
your
colleague
member
members,
and
that
is
rebecca
alexander.
A
Let's
please
keep
her
in
our
prayers.
I
think-
and
I
understand
she's
doing
rather
well
but
improvement.
It
may
be
a
couple
of
weeks
before
we
see
her,
but
the
quicker
the
better.
We
hope
for
a
a
wonderful
return
and
representative
beck
is
not
here
with
us,
but
I
had
we.
I
wanted
to
wish
him
yesterday.
A
I
believe
it
was
was
his
was
his
birthday,
so
we
wanted
to
wish
him
a
wonderful
60th
with
that
many
of
you
have
had
shadowed
your
doors
today,
members
from
your
electric
cooperatives
from
across
your
districts,
youth
leadership,
students
and
they're
still
moving
around
as
well
as
4-h,
some
of
our
4-h,
so
4-h
congress
ongoing
in
murfreesboro
and
then,
as
I
say,
we've
had
our
loot
youth
leadership
students.
So
we
wanted
to
thank
them
for
taking
time
to
come
and
visit
us.
A
Finally,
I
want
to
I
want
to
introduce
to
you
a
special
person
from
from
my
household
who
was
shadowing
me
this
week
from
beautiful
fentress
county
within
house
districts,
38
and
41.
We
have
in
front
row
to
your
right
members,
mr
max
jones,
so
max
if
you'd.
If
I
don't
want
to
embarrass
you,
but
if
you
would
would
you
please
stand
and
be
recognized,
sir?
We
want
to
thank
you
for
being
with
us
this
week.
A
I
say
we
get
started
here.
Don't
you?
We
are
on
item
number.
One
item
number
one
house
bill
2743
by
everyone's
friend
as
I've
introduced
him
before.
In
that
manner,
represent
chairman
hicks.
You
are
recognized,
sir,
and
you
have
a
motion
already
and
a
second
I
see
you're
running
with
this.
One
is
running
with
an
amendment.
Would
could
you
please
give
us
that
drafting
code?
Please?
Yes,.
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A
Okay,
so
we
thought
we
had
just
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
but
we
don't
so
with
that.
The
chairman
asked
to
go
ahead
and
let's
get
it
on
the
bill,
so
we
got
a
motion
in
a
second.
I
see
no
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question.
Let
us
vote
those
in
favor
of
amendment
number
two.
Actually
it's
number
two
drafting
code,
one
five,
one,
two,
seven,
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
opposed
lock,
sign
eyes,
have
it
and
chairman
hicks.
It
is
on
the
bill
and
if
you
would
proceed
and
explain
to
us.
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B
A
A
Chairman
hicks,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
address
that
or
not.
I
will
give
you
the
opportunity
not
to
if
you
want
to
do
that.
I'm
just
kidding
go
ahead,
sir.
I
believe
I'll.
Take
that
option.
Will
you
okay,
follow
up
to
that
chairman
wholesale?
Thank
you
chairman.
No
okay,
we've
got
a
call
for
the
question.
Let's
go
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
oops,
I'm
sorry
house
bill,
27
43
as
amended.
Please
say:
aye!
Those
opposed
like
signed
eyes
have
it
and
you
are
on
your
way
to
calendar
and
rules
chairman.
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So
if
you,
gentlemen
and
ladies,
would
allow
me
just
for
a
moment,
I
want
to
begin
in
the
year
1765
in
an
effort
to
raise
funds
to
pay
off
debts
and
defend
the
vast
new
american
territories.
The
british
government
passes
the
stamped
act
with
its
passage.
The
colonists.
Grumbling
finally
became
a
an
articulated
response
to
what
saw
as
britain's
attempt
to
undermine
their
independence.
A
The
first
masters
golf
championship
tees
off
in
augusta,
georgia
and
finally,
the
year
was
1941
and
it
was
james
stewart.
Yes,
the
jimmy
stewart,
as
everyone
knows,
is
he's
inducted
into
the
army
becoming
the
first
major
american
movie
star
to
wear
a
military
uniform
in
ww2
world
war
ii.
That
members
is
your
today's
in
history.
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A
16046
and
that
that
is
correct,
since
it
rewrites
the
bill,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
it
on
members.
Do
I
have
a
motion?
Yes,
I
do
have
a
motion
and
a
second
so
any
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question.
I
see
none,
let
us
vote.
Those
in
favor
of
amendment
was
one
six
zero.
Four
six
please
say:
aye
opposed
lock
sign.
I
have
it
and
chairman
reagan.
It
is
now
on
the
bill.
So
you
come
to
us
from
last
week.
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C
C
I
will
go
through
the
entire
bill,
but
for
the
sake
of
what
was
mentioned
last
week
on
the
second
page
of
this
amendment,
sub-paragraph
four
was
to
address
the
concerns
there.
Basically,
it
says
it
preempts
this
bill
shall
not
preempt
any
state
law
in
existence
at
the
time
of
the
effective
date
of
this
act
to
provide
preferences
to
an
individual
or
group
of
individuals
with
respect
to
public
contracting
and
the
procurement
of
public
contracts
that
was
put
on
there
to
address
the
concern
that
was
raised
now.
Very
briefly.
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C
Therefore,
that
includes
counties,
cities,
school
boards,
executive
boards
and
commissions,
etc.
That
is
that
is
covered
in
other
places
in
our
code,
but
this
pulls
it
all
together.
So
there
can
be
no
question
about
exactly
what
is
covered
by
state
law
and
what
entities
have
to
enforce
and
comply
with
state
law.
C
C
It
does
not
invalidate
any
court
order
that
is
or
consent
degree
that
is
in
full
force
at
the
time.
This
goes
into
effect.
It
does
not
prohibit
action
to
establish
or
maintain
eligibility
for
any
federal
program
or
federally
funded
program,
where
such
ineligibility
would
result
in
the
loss
of
federal
funds
to
the
state
and
the
portion.
I
just
read
you:
it
does
not
preempt
state
law
concerning
contracting
and
procurements.
C
Section
d
has
a
cause
of
private
action,
and
I
will
point
out
again.
This
basically
is
just
stating
what
exists
already.
There's
already
rationale
for
private
action,
for
violation
of
this
in
both
federal
and
state
law.
This
simply
states
it.
However,
I
will
point
out
that
I
have
added
a
restriction
in
the
portion
that
I
put
in
here.
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C
We
hold
these
truths
to
be
self-evident,
that
all
men
are
created
equal,
that
they
are
endowed
by
their
creator
with
certain
unalienable
rights
that,
among
these
are
life
liberty
and
the
pursuit
of
happiness
that
to
secure
these
rights.
Governments
are
instituted
among
men
deriving
their
just
powers
from
the
consent
of
the
governed.
In
case
you
didn't
recognize
that
comes
from
the
u.s
declaration
of
independence.
C
Again,
most
of
you
recognize
that,
as
a
speech
from
martin
luther
king
jr,
in
january
of
this
year,
the
u.s
supreme
court
agreed
to
hear
two
cases
seeking
to
end
race-based
affirmative
action
in
higher
education,
the
group
students
for
fair
administrations
as
challenging
admission
programs
at
harvard
and
the
university
of
north
carolina.
The
fact
that
the
supreme
court
has
accepted
these
cases
for
adjudication
is
an
indication
that
they
may
think
it's
time
for
this
to
be
over,
and
I
will
quote
here
from
chief
justice
roberts
he's
written.
It
is
a
sordid
business.
C
C
The
late
justice,
antonin
scalia
wrote
discrimination
on
the
basis
of
race
is
illegal,
immoral,
unconstitutional
and
inherently
wrong
and
destructive
of
a
democratic
society.
This
bill
that
I
have
brought
before
you,
as
I
mentioned,
brings
bits
and
pieces
together
from
other
portions
of
our
code,
to
make
it
patently
clear
that
those
quotes
that
I
just
read.
You
are
part
and
parcel
of
our
respect
for
law
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
A
D
C
I
think
the
question
she
asked
was
whether
or
not
it
amended
title
vi
and
the
answer
to
the
question:
if
I
understand
you
correctly,
title
vi
is
a
federal
law.
We
cannot
amend
it
at
the
state
level.
This
bill
basically
does
not
change
any
federal
law
that
is
before
us,
as,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
bill
itself
in
sub-paragraph
c
three,
it
says
it
does
not
prohibit
any
action
required
to
establish
or
maintain
eligibility
for
any
federal
program
or
federally
funded
program
where
ineligibility
would
result
in
loss
of
federal
funds
to
the
state.
D
C
A
C
A
C
This
law
cannot
take
or
force
a
contract
already
in
existence
to
be
null
and
void
if
the
contract
is
already
in
existence
at
the
time
and
state
law
requires
it
to
be
thus
and
such
for
preferences
and
so
forth.
This
bill
cannot
preempt
that
and
that's
part
of
representative
beck
and
I's
discussion
on
the
constitution
of
tennessee.
Earlier,
okay,.
D
C
D
C
A
F
Thank
you,
my
money
from
legal.
If
I
understand
your
question
you're
asking,
what's
the
difference
between
a
contract
executed
now
under
existing
procurement
practices,
where
we
grant
preferences
and,
for
instance,
a
contract
that
might
be
executed
down
the
road
four
or
five
years
from
now,
all
of
the
preferences
that
are
in
the
code
as
of
the
effective
date
of
the
statute,
will
be
preserved
in
existing
contracts
and
in
contracts
executed
in
the
future.
F
D
F
My
money
from
legal
it
would
depend
on
what
the
legislature
did.
If
the
legislature
created
a
new
scheme
for
some
type
of
preference
and
contracting
that
doesn't
exist
right
now,
then
it
could
potentially
be
impacted
by
this
statute.
If
it's
passed
but
as
I
said
before,
if
that
legislation
comes
through
and
is
given
to
our
office
to
draft,
we
would
have
to
advise
the
member
of
the
statute
and
try
to
resolve
any
conflict
and
whether
we
wanted
to
make
an
exception
to
the
statute.
F
D
F
Matt
monday,
for
the
record
from
legal,
I'm
going
to
answer
that
in
two
different
parts.
As
I
understand
the
question,
nothing
that
exists
right
now
is
going
to
be
impacted
now
or
in
the
future
in
terms
of
preferences
and
contracting,
not
nothing.
That's
contracted
for
currently
nothing.
That's
contracted
for
10
years
from
now,
like,
for
instance,
under
the
small
business
procurement
act
for
minority-owned
businesses,
women-owned
businesses,
disabled
personnel,
businesses,
none
of
that
will
be
impacted
now
or
in
the
future
in
terms
of
federal
law.
F
D
And
that
this
would
be
the
final
one,
mr
chair,
really
I'm
just
thinking
that
right
now
what
you
have
in
place
so
far
will
not
be
deterred
at
all.
It's
okay
like
it
is,
but
his
legislation
is
bringing
something
to
change,
to
amend
and
something
is
being
amended
and
I'm
trying
to
find
out
what's
being
amended,
and
if
you
answer
that
fine,
if
not
this,
that
was
my
last
concern.
A
B
G
B
B
F
Thank
you,
matt
monday,
for
the
record
again,
assuming
that
the
law
stays
the
same.
Nothing
will
change
now
or
in
perpetuity,
but
we
can't
bind
the
legislature.
The
legislature
can
come
back
and
create
an
entirely
new
scheme
of
preferences
based
on
whatever
criteria
it
wants
to
in
two
or
three
years
or
next
year.
And
if
that's
the
case,
then
it
would,
there
would
be
a
potential
conflict,
because
the
language
is,
it
doesn't
preempt
any
state
laws
that
are
in
existence
as
of
the
effective
date
of
this
act.
Okay.
F
So
if
we're
talking
about
some
new
preferential
scheme,
three
or
four
five
ten
years
from
now,
we
would
have
to
come
back
and
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
explain
is.
We
would
have
to
potentially,
as
our
office
would
have
to
deal
with
the
statute
and
work
with
them
and
decide
whether
or
not
we
were
going
to
carve
it
out
from
this
specifically
so
that
we
don't
have
the
courts
trying
to
figure
out
whether
they
operated
independently
of
each
other
or
whether
there
is
an
actual
conflict
that
they
would
have
to
resolve.
F
B
Representative
beck,
so
what
I
take
from
your
explanation-
and
it's
very
good
thank
you-
is
that
if
we
pass
a
bill
in
the
future,
we're
going
to
be
this
could
infringe
on
on
any
type
of
enhancement
that
we
that
we
give
it,
but
everything
as
it
stands
today.
We're
good
up
is
that
is
that
a
good
synopsis?
Mr
monday,.
A
F
A
Much
he
says:
that's
it
all
right,
any
further
questions
to
legal.
I
see
none
so
no
objections.
We
are
now
back
in
session
and
well
all
right.
We
we've
got
a
before,
though
I
had
a.
I
had
a
thank
you
for
that,
but
I've
got
the
senate
status
chairman
I'd
like
to
know.
Where
are
we
where's
this
resting
over
over
yonder,
sir.
C
C
This
bill
came
about
frankly,
because
we
have
had
some
subunits
of
state
government,
which
I
would
prefer
not
to
call
by
name
that
have
in
the
past,
behaved
as
though
they
didn't
think
they
were
governed
by
state
law.
In
other
words,
they
felt
that
they
didn't
have
to
comply
with
what
was
on
the
books
that
every
other
portion
of
state
government
has
to
apply
and
live
by.
C
This
law
was
brought,
and
I
wrote
it
so
I'll.
Take
all
the
blame
or
the
credit,
as
you
choose
was
intended
to
create
clarity
and
also
to
pull
together
various
pieces
that
are
scattered
throughout
the
code,
so
that
that
clarity
is
enhanced.
As
I
pointed
out
when
I
mentioned
the
first
paragraph
of
this
bill.
Second,
one
actually
sub
paragraph
1a,
the
last
portion
I
called
out
to
your
attention,
was
that
it
applies
to
any
instrumentality
of
the
state
that
derives
its
authority
from
the
state
of
tennessee.
C
I
C
This
bill
is
not
intended
to
do
that.
I
can't
answer
for
unintended
consequences.
Obviously,
however,
the
the
intent
here,
like
I
stated
and-
and
I
can't
be
more
clear-
is
that
every
unit
of
state
government
plays
by
the
same
rules
and
if
we,
if
we
have,
as
was
pointed
out
by
legal
earlier,
if
we
have
something
on
the
books
that
grants
preferences
that
stays
in
effect
and
everybody
plays
by
the
same
rules,
but
nobody
gets
to
create
their
own
if
they
are,
in
fact,
a
subunit
of
state
government.
C
I
Represent
chisholm,
okay,
then
last
thing,
so
it
does
sound
like
this.
Bill
is
kind
of
a
knock
on
affirmative
action,
and
you
know
we
have
to
realize
too
affirmative
action.
It
was
meant
to
be
corrective
action,
and
currently
we
still
have
some
of
those
same
disparities
that
we
had
when
we
came
up
with
the
rule
in
the
first
place,
so
even
to
to
take
a
jab
at
that
program
or
any
other
governmental
program
that
were
meant
to
help
those
who
had
less
of
a
chance.
I
It
was
meant
for
different
minority
groups
just
to
merely
be
seen.
It
wasn't
meant
to
give
anyone
a
leg
up.
It
wasn't
meant
to
give
anybody
a
f,
unfair
advantage.
It
was
merely
for
those
that
were
never
seen
before
just
so,
they
could
be
seen
in
the
same
light
as
those
who
were
getting
contracts
currently
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
A
C
I
can't
say
it
any
more
clearly
than
that,
if
it's
in
effect
right
now,
this
law
does
not
affect
it.
So
the
example
that
you
brought
up
if
there
are
preferential
contracting
agreements
in
place
right
now
for
the
any
group
of
population,
I
don't
care
how
you
do
it.
This
is
not
intended
to
change
that.
I
C
Of
the
committee,
this
is
a
subject
that
has
been
around
for
a
very
long
time.
We
have
passed
numerous
laws
on
it,
as
I
explained
in
the
beginning,
the
purpose
of
this
spill
is
to
create
clarity,
as
I
explained
in
the
beginning.
Also,
I
pulled
bits
and
pieces
of
the
code
from
other
places
and
put
them
together.
I
didn't
create
new
ones.
C
A
A
Okay,
the
stat
the
status
is
the
there's
motion
and
a
second
to
send
this
to
summer
study.
If
you
vote
in
the
affirmative,
you
are
complying
with
the
with
the
motion.
If
you
vote
no,
you,
it
will
not
be
going
to
summer
study
you'll
be
voting
down
on
it.
Is
that
everybody
clear
on
that
now:
okay,
up
to
summer
down,
damn
no
no
summer,
okay,
I'll
just
put
it
that
simple
go
colton
you're
up,
go
alexander.
A
We
have
five
eyes
and
twelve
notes,
so
the
motion
two
summer
study
fails.
We
are
now
back
to
the
we'll
recognize
you
now
representative
powell.
You
are
still
up,
no,
he
says
no,
so
we
have.
We
got
a
call
for
the
question.
I
see
no
objection,
we're
voting.
Those
in
favor
of
house
bill,
2569
has
amended,
please
say:
aye.
A
Those
opposed
lock
signs
knows
the
eyes.
Have
it
we'll
move
this
on
out
to
calendar
and
rules?
Thank
you,
mr
sharing
committee.
Yes,
sir
you're
going
to
calendar
and
rules,
we're
now
up
to
item
number
three
house
bill
two,
two
two
two
and
we
we
are
welcoming
chairman
powers,
it's
good
to
have
you
in
front
of
us,
sir.
Thank
you
and
we
see
we
got
a
motion
and
a
second.
A
Zero
one,
five,
nine
seven
seven
is
absolutely
correct,
you're
spot
on,
so
it
does
rewrite
the
bill.
I
see
is
that
right
chairman.
So
let's
go
ahead.
I'd
like
to
suggest,
if
that's
okay
with
you
sponsor,
let's
get
it
on
the
bill.
What
do
you
say
all
right
be
great!
So
do
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
this.
We
do
so
any
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question
and
I
see
none.
A
H
Explanation,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
2222,
just
authorizes
law
enforcement
here
in
the
state
to
enforce
the
criminal
laws
of
this
state
and
authorizes
them
to
make
arrests
for
violations
of
u.s
8
usc
1324
of
the
u.s
code,
section
2.,
the
tennessee
post
commission
shall
develop
law
enforcement
training
program.
That
explains
how
officers
can
make
arrests
in
compliance
with
a
usc
1324
pertain.
This
pertains
to
anyone
who
facilitates
bringing
illegal
immigrants
enter
our
state
or
harbors
illegal
immigrants.
H
H
They
have
been
flown
in
the
middle
of
night
to
knoxville
chattanooga
and
who
knows
where
we
don't
know
where
they
were
transported
where
they
came
from
or
where
they're
going.
The
governor
actually
requested
from
the
president.
Information
regarding
those
had
been
transported
to
our
state
and,
as
far
as
I
know,
we've
not
had
any
response.
H
You
know
the
most
important
duty
of
our
government
is
to
protect
our
citizens
and
states.
So
we
need
to
know
who's
coming
here,
and
so
what
we're
talking
about
in
this
bill
is
just
those
that
are
transporting
or
harm
or
harboring
the
illegal
immigrants,
not
the
illegal
immigrants
themselves.
That
falls
under
federal
law,
we're
talking
about
people
that
are
transporting
or
facilitating
or
harping
those
that
come
here.
So
this
does
not
conflict
at
all
with
federal
or
state
laws,
and
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
renew
my
motion.
A
A
B
H
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
It
would
not.
They
would
not
be
arresting
anyone
that
any
illegal
alien.
It
would
just
be
the
people
that
were
facilitating
or
harboring
the
illegal
aliens,
and
so
that
just
falls
under
the
state
law
and
falls
under
the
u.s
law
too.
What
what
the
penalties
are
for
that?
So
it's
not
anything
to
do
with
the
illegal
immigrants
themselves.
Only
people
that
are
transporting
or
harboring
them.
B
H
It
would
actually
fall
under
I'll,
read
eight
u.s
code,
section
1324
it
talks
about
knowing
or
in
reckless
disregard
of
a
fact
that
an
alien
has
come
to
entered
or
remains
in
the
u.s
in
violation
law
transports
and
moves
or
attempts
to
transport
or
move
within
the
united
states
by
means
of
transportation,
otherwise
in
violation
of
such
law.
So
if
we
do
have
some
laws
in
effect,
that
are
that
are
the
federal
law
has
given
us
the
authority
to
enforce.
H
We
are
we
currently
have
not
enforced
those
we've
got
people
coming
in
to
our
state
and
nobody's
enforcing
those
laws.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
just
make
sure
those
laws
are
enforced
and
make
sure
that
they
get
some
training
on
how
to
do
that
and
the
post
commission
would
be
doing
that
training.
A
E
Elizabeth
stroker
legislative
director
for
the
department
of
safety
and
I'll
keep
it
pretty
brief.
The
department
is
not
authorized
to
enforce
federal
immigration
laws,
even
though
this
doesn't
have
to
do
with
detaining
people
in
the
country
unlawfully.
This
is
a
federal
immigration
law,
so
we
do
not
have
that
authority
unless
we
have
the
express
consent
in
agreement
with
with
the
federal
immigration
enforcement
agency
ice,
and
we
don't
have
that.
So
what
this
would
do
is
put
into
code
of
federal
law
that
we
have
no
authority
to
enforce.
E
Additionally,
there
is
already
state
law
in
tennessee
for
aiding
and
abetting
or
harboring
someone
who
is
in
the
country
unlawfully.
It's
already
in
the
state
code.
It's
already
a
criminal
violation,
and
so
I
don't
see
the
need
for
the
federal
code
being
included
whenever
we
can't
enforce
the
federal
code
anyways.
So
it
seems
like
this
is
already
covered
in
state
law,
and
this
is
just
not
needed
because
we
can't
do
it
even
if
it
is
added
into
the
code.
A
E
D
E
J
E
So
we
are
not
prohibited
from
arresting
someone
who
is
committing
criminal
acts.
If
they
are
violating
state
law,
we
would
certainly
arrest
them
and
follow
normal
procedures,
but
as
far
as
federal
immigration
laws,
we
do
not
have
that
jurisdiction.
We
would
have
to
reach
out
to
our
federal
partners
and
they
would
take
over
at
that
point,.
J
Chairman
bricken,
well,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
partners
but-
and
I
certainly
would
like
to
know
the
track
record
of
ice
being
involved
in
in
in
taking
these
illegals
and
and
doing
something
with
them.
I
I
would
like
to
know
if
we
do
have
an
active
policy
and
and
the
federal
park
partners
are
enforcing
or
doing
their
role
here.
So
with
that
I'll
stop.
Mr
chairman,.
J
E
I
G
E
G
E
G
E
Stroker,
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
local
agencies,
but
I
know
for
us.
If
we
wanted
to
have
enforcement
mechanisms,
we
would
have
to
partner
with
the
federal
government
and
have
some
type
of
contract
or
agreement
to
be
able
to
do
so,
and
I
would
imagine
they
would
have
to
do
the
same
representative.
A
D
B
E
The
driver
is
in
the
country
lawfully,
so
under
tennessee
law
under
39-17-114.
That
is
already
a
that
person
could
be
arrested
under
state
law.
I'm
saying
we
cannot
enforce
the
federal
law,
that's
the
companion.
We
have
the
state
law
on
the
books
which
can
be
enforced.
So
that's
why
this
is
not
needed.
B
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
didn't
actually
find
any
way
that
local
state
law
enforcement
could
could
arrest
on
a
federal
violation.
What
court
do
you
do
him?
Where
does
it
get
arraigned
all
that,
but
I
like
to
build
particularly
the
transportation
part.
Now
that's
what
it
was.
My
question
is:
is
the
word
transportation
in
state
law
and
the
reason
I'm
saying
that
is
the
first
captain
and
co-captain
of
a
commercial
airline
that
lands
at
nashville
you
put
in
jail,
that'll
end
that
pretty
quick.
K
A
G
G
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
the
sponsor,
maybe
for
legal,
but
I
mean.
Are
we
getting
to
a
point
where,
literally,
if
you're
a
ride
share
program-
and
you
pick
up
an
illegal
immigrant-
that
person
under
this
bill
could
be
arrested
for
simply
transporting
somebody
that
has
a
ride?
Share
company
or
I
mean-
is
literally
right-
we're
going
to
be
arresting
uber
and
lyft
drivers
because
they
picked
up
an
illegal
immigrant
under
this
law.
H
So
I
turned
my
mic
off
yeah.
Thank
you,
yeah,
and
going
back
to
your
first
comment.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
a
federal
law
about
arresting
illegal
immigrants.
So
that's
completely
out
of
it
all
we're
trying
to
do
if
somebody's
transporting,
if
somebody's
here
legally,
if
there's
an
american
here
legally
and
they're
transporting
and
facilitating
illegal
immigrants
into
our
country
into
our
state,
then
they
can,
they
would
fall
under
this
law.
H
They
could
be
arrested
and,
just
like
the
representative
said
men
to
go
even
a
pilot
that
was
bringing
illegal
immigrants
into
our
state,
so
nothing
to
do
with
the
federal
law.
The
illegal
immigrants
fall
under
federal
law.
Only.
I
would
have
to
go
to
legal
about
the
uber
situation
or
that
you
talked
about,
but
we're
we're
not
really
talking
about
somebody
just
giving
a
ride
from
one
person
to
another,
we're
talking
about
bringing
people
into
our
state
and
then
transporting
them
to
who
knows
where
we
represent.
G
F
You
matt
monday
from
legal,
I'm
not
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna.
Stick
to
the
question
that's
been
asked
at
this
point,
but
the
federal
law
under
1324
requires
that
you
have
there's
an
element
of
knowledge
that
the
person's
an
illegal
alien.
So
if
an
uber
driver
is
picking
up
someone
and
doesn't
have
any
awareness
that
the
person
might
be
here
illegally,
then
he
wouldn't
be
prosecutable
under
the
federal
statute.
G
F
A
Further
questions
from
representative
powell,
so
we
are,
we
continue
to
be
out
of
session.
We
any
further
questions
to
legal.
While
we
have
him,
I
don't
see
any
all
right,
no
objections.
Thank
you,
mr
monday.
We're
now,
let's
just
go
back
into
session
back
to
you,
representative
powell,
your
recognition.
G
I
mean
my
ultimate
fear
here
is
for
my
community
as
a
whole.
I
mean
I'm
proud
to
represent
a
lot
of
immigrants
and
refugees,
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
create
profiling
anytime.
Somebody
could
could
potentially
be
targeted
they're,
they
simply
they're
a
driver
and
they
look
like
they
might
be
an
illegal
immigrant.
They
could
potentially
be
pulled
over
under
this.
You
know
somebody
that's
trying
to
transport
somebody
to
get.
G
G
I
don't
see
why
we
would
have
to
to
the
department
of
safety's
answer
why
we
would
have
a
training
program
for
something
that
cannot
even
be
enforced
and
then,
if,
if
I'm
anyone
in
the
business
community
and
I'm
transporting
whether
it's
you
know
the
truck
commute
the
trucking
community,
the
airline
industry,
the
ride
share
the
cab
industry,
you
could
potentially
be
arrested
and
your
your
employees
could
be
arrested
under
this
piece
of
legislation.
So
I
just
think
this
is
a
really
dangerous
piece
of
legislation.
G
A
B
H
Have
another
we
have
another
comment
on
there.
All
I
was
going
to
say
if
you're
here
ill,
if
you're
here
legally
in
the
country,
you
have
nothing
to
worry
about.
If
you've
come
here,
the
right
way,
like
our
forefathers,
did
and
come
here
legally.
You
have
nothing
to
worry
about
under
this
bill
or
the
driver
or
whoever's
transporting
them
we're
just
talking
about
people
in
that
flight.
You
know
primarily
we're
we're.
H
Looking
at
situations
like
flying
people
into
the
middle
of
the
night,
why
would
they
fly
them
into
the
middle
of
the
night
if
it's
okay
into
our
airports
and
then
transport
them
throughout
the
state?
Those
are
the
people
that
we're
worried
about
and
they
and
they're,
not
nobody
going
back
to,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
department
of
safety,
but
I
can't
think
of
anybody.
H
Who's
been
arrested,
we've
seen
it
on
video
we've
seen
them
in
in
chattanooga,
we've
seen
them
housed
in
chattanooga,
we've
seen
people
in
knoxville
flown
in
in
the
middle
of
night,
with
them
in
other
states
in
new
york
in
in
certain
areas
and
they're
flying
them
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
and
if
there's
nothing
wrong
with
it,
why
not
fly
them
in
the
middle
of
the
day?
Why
don't
they?
Why
isn't
someone
arresting
with
the
driver
or
the
pilot
or
whoever
is
transporting
or
facilitating
them
coming
into
our
country.
G
I
guess
the
bottom
line
is:
this
is
not
going
to
change
the
arrest
of
those
illegal
immigrants.
This
is
going
to
just
change
the
arresting
status
of
people
who
who
are
simply
going
about
their
business
and
you
know,
could
could
be
liable
and
it's
going
to
require
all
these
different
companies
to
basically
have
to
retrain
all
their
employees
and
they're
going
to
have
to
be
a
screening
question
to
every
single
person
that
you
ever
pick
up
to
say.
Are
you
an
illegal
immigrant
for
anybody?
That's
a
trucking
owns
a
trucking
company
and
is
hauling.
G
You
know
it
has
has
different
things
that
that
they
are
you
know,
potentially
or
or
a
bus
company
they're
going
to
have
to
ask
every
single
person
that
gets
on.
Are
you
an
illegal
immigrant
or
under
this
they
could
be
arrested?
And
I
think
that's.
This
is
a
dangerous
bill
for
for
tennessee,
and
it's
not
going
to
do
anything
very
little
to
change
a
problem.
That's
a
federal
issue
which
is
addressing
immigration
in
this
country
and
once
in
all
finally
fixing
a
broken
system.
Chairman.
K
Recognized
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
got
to
tell
you
I
I
appreciate
you
trying
to
tackle
the
problem.
I
do
it's
a
it's,
not
an
issue
of
of
refugees
or
anybody's
here.
Illegal
at
all,
is
this.
This
is
trying
to
keep
agencies,
organizations
from
bringing
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
thousands
of
people
into
this
state
and
tennessee
has
absolutely
no
say
in
it.
So
I
I
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
that
you're
trying
to
find
some
mechanism
to
deal
with
it.
K
H
Need
to
move
on,
let
me
just
read:
eight
usc
section
code,
11038-8
state
and
local
officers
may
exercise
the
similar
criminal
arrest
powers
of
federal
immigration
officers
when
especially
authorized
by
u.s
attorney
general
when
given
the
consent
of
the
head
of
the
state
or
local
law
enforcement
agency.
So
if
the
state
says
that
we
can,
we
can
do
this,
you
know
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
It
on
the
bill:
yes,
okay,
let's
move,
we
got
a
motion
in
a
second,
don't
we
on
this
one
on
the
amendment
and
I
see
no
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question.
So
let
us
vote
on
amendment
one
five,
one,
five,
two,
those
in
favor
please
say
aye
those
opposed
like
son,
the
eyes
have
it
and
now
representative
miller.
We
have
that
amendment
back
on
your
bill.
You
are
recognized,
sir.
Thank.
L
You,
mr
chairman,
the
amendment
makes
the
bill.
I
I
think
we
may
have
someone
from
the
department
if,
in
fact,
we
decide,
we
want
to
go
out
of
session,
but
the
bill
is
amended.
Basically,
officers.
Employees
of
various
agencies,
boards
and
departments
of
state
government
are
entitled
to
five
days
of
paid
leave
in
the
event
that
a
minor
child
contracts
covet
19
or
if
a
child's
school
or
daycare
facility
is
forced
to
close
due
to
covet
19
and
the
parent
officer
or
employee
must
stay
home
with
the
child
to
provide
child
care.
L
The
paid
leave
which
leave
to
which
an
officer
or
an
employee
is
entitled
under
this
section,
does
not
count
against
the
officers
or
employees
accumulated
sick
or
annual
leave.
There
were
some
questions
in
subcommittee.
One
having
to
do
will
employees
be
paid
moving
forward.
The
answer
to
that
is:
yes,
it's
not
retroactive,
and
this
bill
shouldn't
go
to
government
ops,
but
it's
left
up
to
the
department
to
establish
the
policies
and
procedures
necessary
to
implement
the
section
and
and
I'll
say,
mr
chairman
committee.
L
L
A
A
A
L
A
Chairman,
let
me
let
me
just
run
in
here
just
a
moment
and
and
say
that
the
department
has
informed
us
that
they'd
be
willing
to,
and
we
we're
going
to
grant
them
if,
if
they
want
to
a
time
for
for
any
questioning,
if,
if
they
want
to
but
but
proceed,
please
if
you
may
have
do
you
have
anything
follow
up
on
that
to
the
sponsor
chairman
moon.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
I
got
you
all
right,
let
me
I.
If
there's
no
objection,
I'm
just
I've
just
taken
this
out
of
session.
Mr,
would
you
please
come
on
up
now.
You
have
heard
a
couple
of
concerns
here,
so
I
I
I
I
understand,
then
that
that
you
go
it
passes
then,
and
it
moves
on
into
you
guys
you
would
probably
get
the
rules
in
is
that
is
that
correct
and-
and
please
take
for
you
know
the
record.
You
know.
B
A
B
Review
could
not
determine
a
cost,
given
the
nature
of
this
type
of
leave.
To
my
knowledge,
we
haven't
been
approached
by
any
department
that
feels
as
though
they'd
be
at
a
hardship
as
a
result
of
this
legislation.
If
it
were
to
pass,
but
I
I'd
there
may
be
some
specific
circumstances,
I'm
not
aware
of
okay,
chair
lady.
D
J
A
B
There
was
a
federal
program
that
expired
in
september
that
did
allow,
for
that
did
allow
for
employees
to
take
leave
unpaid
as
a
result
of
covet
that
has
since
expired,
and
so
we
have
administered
a
type
of
program
like
this
before
specific
to
covid.
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
specific
disease-specific
leaves,
though,.
A
K
B
Yeah
the
bill
that
representative
miller
brought
to
the
committee
specified
that
our
only
involvement
as
a
department
was
ensuring
that
we
could
promulgate
policy
around
the
bill
if
it
were
to
pass.
So
this
wasn't
something
that
generated
in
the
department.
But
when
we
looked
at
it,
we
felt
as
though
we
needed
to
be
sure
that
we
were
in
charge
of
developing
the
policy
around
it,
so
that
we
could
ensure
people
are
actually
or
their
kids
are
actually
sick
or
we're.
K
A
A
A
He
renews
his
motion,
so
I
see
no
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question
we're
there
we're
here.
Let
us
vote
on
house
bill
2723
as
amended
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
those
opposed
likes
on
the
eyes.
Have
it
the
eyes,
have
it
and
this
moves
on
to
finance
ways
and
means
mr
miller
you're
you're.
Moving
on
sir
item
number
seven
house
bill
1916
by
chairman
eldridge
and
chairman
eldridge,
you
may
remain
at
your
seat,
sir,
on
house
bill.
As
I
say,
1916
and
I
see
the
yeah.
A
A
A
That
is
his
wish
and
he
hopes
it
will
be
granted.
Do
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second?
We
do.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second-
and
I
see
no
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question.
Let
us
vote
on
amendment
15861,
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
Those
opposed
like
sign
that
that
amendment
is
now
on
the
bill.
You
may
proceed
chairman
eldridge.
H
A
H
I
I
would
think
that
would
be
determined
by
the
department.
I
mean
that
that's
that's
definitely
a
possibility
if
they
do
not
have
the
degree
yet,
but
maybe
are
you
know
they
are
employed
and
are
working
toward
their
four-year
degree.
That
bump
would
probably
come
in
after
that,
but
I'm
that's
just
that's
just
my.
My
fault
represent.
A
G
B
Thank
you,
and
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
my
question
chairman
eldridge,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
you
anyway.
This
doesn't
affect
requirements
for
secondary,
are
post
secondary
education,
for
example.
If
you
were
advertised,
if,
if,
if
it
required
an
attorney
or
a
chemist
or
something
along
those
lines,
this
does
not
affect
that
requirement.
H
A
B
A
No
is
that
correct,
follow
up
chairman
fella,
okay,
all
right,
no
further
questions.
I
got
a
call
for
the
question.
I
see
no
objections.
We
let
us
vote
on
house
bill
1916
as
amen.
Did
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
those
opposed
like
sign
eyes,
have
it
and
chairman
eldridge.
You
are
on
your
way
to
calendar
and
rules,
and
now
we
are
on
item
eight,
your
bill
house
bill
2113.
A
A
15
954
is
correct.
Shall
we
is
it
your
pleasure?
You
don't
get
it
on
that.
One!
Okay,
on
the
bill,
all
right
got
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
amendment.
We
do
and
I
see
no
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question
on
amendment
15
954.
Let
us
vote
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
Those
opposed
likes
eyes.
Have
it
and
now
chairman
eldridge,
that
amendment
is
on
your
bill,
sir.
You
may
proceed
with
a
description.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
bill
requires
that
the
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse,
department
of
corrections
and
department
of
human
services
to
work
with
a
non-profit
charitable
organization
that
focuses
on
human
trafficking,
advocacy
and
education
to
mandatorily
annually
demand
the
annual
training,
appropriate
department
personnel
in
the
identification,
intervention,
prevention
and
treatment
of
human
trafficking
victims
and
in
the
proper
action
that
should
be
taken
when
dealing
with
a
known
or
suspected
victim
of
human
trafficking.
H
A
We've
got
a
call
for
the
question
and
we
are
let
us
okay
and
I
see
no
objections
to
the
common
question.
Let's
vote
on
house
bill
2113
as
amended
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
Those
opposed
like
sign
the
eyes.
Have
it
and
it
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules
and
that
members
we
have
three
minutes
until
3
p.m.