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A
Thanks
juan
not
sure,
maybe
it's
easier
to
just
turn
off
the
video
now
so
if
more
people
want
to
join,
they
can
join
and
I'll
just
share
my
screen.
A
No
problem,
thank
you
so
yeah.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
I'll.
Just
give
a
brief
introduction
of
what
we're
going
to
be
going
through
today,
and
I'm
calling
this
having
relational
insights
to
covering
the
comments
and
the
tc
has
been
the
pc
cultural.
Build
has
been
built
over
ostrom's,
eight
principles,
so
so
softgov
and
culture
has
been
working
to
implement
the
eight
principles
into
our
cultural.
Build
and
we've
been
having
so
many
insights
from
this,
and
I
just
want
to
share
some
of
them
with
you
and
also
to
honor.
A
All
of
this
course,
as
has
been
happening,
and
all
all
of
the
speakers
that
that
spoke
so
far,
and
it's
been
very,
very
beautiful
to
see
everyone's
commitment
and
everyone
showing
up
here
every
week.
So
yeah
we'll
have
a
little
exercise
of
presents,
and
I
would
just
ask
for
everyone
who
is
unmuted
to
please
meet
yourself,
because
I
can
hear
some
feedback.
A
Yeah
so
have
a
little
exercise
of
presence
and
then
go
into
the
relational
clues
from
the
three
influential
models
that
are
very
present
in
ostrom's
book
and
then
go
into
the
eight
principles
and
have
an
individual
exercise.
And
then,
if
we
have
time
we're
gonna
go
into
breakout
rooms
and
return
for
a
final
round.
A
A
This
is
my
fourth
hour
of
consecutive
call,
and
I
know
how
sometimes
screen
can
affect
our
presence
and
our
ability
to
be
here
and
listening
and
I'm
from
a
theater
background,
and
we
used
to
do
this
exercise
a
lot.
But
it's
very
simple.
Just
arriving
in
a
space
and
saying
I
am,
and
my
name
so
I
am
livia
and
just
saying
your
name
out
loud
really
brings
you
to
presence
and
also
another
thing
is
being
aware
of
space
and
time.
A
So
here
is
particularly
challenging
because
we
are
in
a
virtual
space
and,
and
the
time
of
like
I
don't
know,
unmuting
muting
can
be
a
little
chaotic,
but
I
want
to
propose
us
to
do
this.
We're
not
gonna
call
up
next
unknown,
so
we're
gonna
fill
in
when
want
to
say
I
am
and
our
name,
and
I
really
hope
that
everyone
here
can
do
that,
and
your
name
means
like.
A
Thank
you
everyone.
I
trust
that
everyone
who
feels
comfortable
to
speak
up
that
you
did
and
and
if
you
don't
feel,
like
speaking
up
it's
okay
to
maybe
just
say
it
for
yourself
in
there
that
you
are
who
you
are,
and
you
are
here
and
present
and
we
can
get
started
so
so
ostram's
book
is
really
based
on
those
two
main
topics
of
hey
writer.
Can
you
please
mute
yourself?
A
B
A
Yes,
absolutely
thank
you,
so
the
three
influential
models
is:
what
is
what.
A
Is
one
of
the
foundations
of
of
governing
the
commons,
so
the
three
influential
models,
and
also
the
the
eight
principles
for
governing
the
commons
and
on
the
three
influential
models
is
basically
the
foundational
of
what
the
state
and
the
market
have
been
using
to
to
say
the
importance
of
using
either
the
state
or
the
market
to
govern
public
goods.
A
While
in
reality
here
we
are
trying
to
find
a
different
path.
So
we're
not
building
systems
that
are
similar
to
either
the
state
or
the
market.
A
I
mean
or
the
private
institutions
the
mark,
when
I
say
market,
think
of
like
private
companies
we're
trying
to
build
a
third
path
that
is
of
shared
ownership
of
self-governing
communities.
So
the
dow
space
can
be
considered
a
commons
and
there
are
so
many
public
goods
that
are
considered
commons
and
and
governing
those
public
goods
has
been
the
biggest
challenge
in
humanity
and
organization
being
at
the
core
of
this.
A
So
that's
why
it's
so
important
that
we
look
into
them
and
before
I
was
sorry,
I'm
just
gonna
exit
quickly
to
see
some
of
the
speaker
notes,
but
maybe
I
can
make
it
bigger.
Somehow.
A
Maybe
that's
better
so
so
previously
I
looked
into
this
three
influential
models
explaining
them,
but
we're
not
gonna
like
go
too
deep
into
them
right
now,
but
I
wanted
to
look
into
the
insights
that
they
offer
on
relational
aspects.
So
the
tragedy
of
the
comments-
maybe
many
of
you
have
heard
about
already.
A
I
picked
three
phrases
that
exemplify
kind
of
what
the
tragedy
of
commons
is
and
from
here
we're
gonna
look
into
like
what
is
under
the
lines.
What
is
being
said
without
fully
being
said
how
this
phrases
of
the
people
who
wrote
those
models
can
give
us
insights
about
the
values
of
the
communities
of
the
systems
that
they
were
being
built
at.
So
what
is
common
to?
The
greatest
number
has
the
least
care
missed
out
upon
it.
Everyone
thinks
chiefly
of
his
own,
hardly
at
all
the
common
interest.
There
was.
A
This
was
aristotle
who
said
long
long
time
ago.
So
what
is
implicit
in
this
phrase
is
that
individualism
is
individualism,
is
what
is
dominant
whenever
he
wrote
this.
So
if,
if
I
only
think
chiefly
of
my
own
and
highly
at
the
common
interest
is
because
there
is
very
little
room
for
collaboration
in
the
society
values,
so
there
is
a
harm
sense
of
community
and
belonging
and
then
the
second
point
of
hope's
parable
of
a
man
in
a
state
of
nature,
is
a
prototype
of
the
tragedy
of
the
commons.
A
So
he
says
that
men
seek
their
own
good
and
end
up
fighting
one
another.
So
this
is
another
example
of
individualism
and
also
lack
of
shared
values,
because
if
you
seek
your
own
good
and
that
leads
you
to
fight
one
another
is
because
your
own
good
is
not
the
good
of
the
other.
So
there
is
a
lack
of
community
again,
a
lack
of
belonging-
and
this
brings
this.
A
This
brings
violence
and
and
at
the
third
point,
wealth
that
is
free
for
all
is
valued
by
no
one,
because
he
who
is
full-hearty
enough
to
wait
for
its
proper
time
of
use
will
only
find
that
it
has
been
taken
by
another.
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
ones
in
terms
of
like
how
much
psychological
insights
does
give,
because
he
who
is
full-hearty
enough
is
this
sense
of
being
ridiculed,
is
a
lack
of
trust.
A
His
vulnerability
is
seen
as
weakness,
so
it's
like
the
opposite
of
reciprocity
and
and
how
this
in
a
very
personal
level
affects
so
deeply
the
the
the
system
that
people
who
believe
in
this
individually
are
inserted
in
so
the
prisoners
dilemma
is
another
model.
All
of
them
are
very
related
to
the
tragedy
of
the
commons
that
are
like
different
ways
of
observing
the
same
type
of
tragedy
and
in
a
prisoner's
dilemma
game.
Each
player
has
dominant
strategy
in
the
sense
that
the
player
is
always
better
off.
A
Choosing
this
strategy,
no
matter
what
the
other
player
chooses.
So
this
is
like
lack
of
communication
is
also
lack
of
trust
and
feeling
like
there
are
no
choices
to
exit
the
system.
So
it's
in
the
name
already
that
it's
a
prisoner's
dilemma,
and
if
this
is
in
the
core
of
the
systems
that
we
are
inserted
in
right
now,
all
of
these
conversations
we
have
about
freedom.
A
It
makes
sense
this
distance
that
we
have
from
the
concept
of
freedom,
because
we
are
in
so
many
prisoners
dilemmas.
We
are
leaving
this
like
lack
of
communication,
lack
of
coordination,
lack
of
community
and
the
the
feeling
of
impotence,
like
the
feeling
of
I
can't
exit
the
system
and
there's
something.
I
learned
in
game
theory
also
that
a
a
game
is
considered
a
good
game
when
it's
easy
for
you
to
it's
as
easy
for
you
to
exit
as
it
is
for
you
to
enter.
A
So
you
should
have
that
ability
of
choosing
when
you
want
to
be
playing
something
and
when
you
don't,
you
don't
want
to
be
playing
something,
and
we've
been
playing
a
system
for
too
long
that
we
didn't
have
the
choice
to
be
playing,
and
then
the
second
is
the
paradox.
The
individually
rational
strategies
lead
to
collective
irrational
outcomes
seems
to
challenge
the
fundamental
faith
that
rational
human
beings
can
achieve
rational
results.
A
So
this
the
etymology
of
the
word
rational,
comes
from
ratio.
That
is
a
quantitative
aspect,
and
if
we
look
into
humans
from
a
quantitative
perspective,
rather
than
a
qualitative
variable,
then
we
are.
We
are
undermining.
A
So
many
of
our
characteristics
and
thinking
like
we
fit
a
box
that
we
don't
fit,
and
this
is
a
problem
that
academia
constantly
has
in
relation
to
like
empirical
experiments,
because
there
is
so
much
of
the
theory
that
just
doesn't
fit
reality,
and
then
we
build
models
based
on
the
theory
and
those
models
just
don't
work,
but
then
we
need
to
like
keep
cutting
ourselves
literally
to
fit
into
the
systems,
and
then
the
logic
of
collective
action
is
most
known
as
the
free
rider
problem,
so
one
who
cannot
be
excluded
from
obtaining
the
benefits
of
a
collective
good
once
the
good
is
produced
has
little
incentive
to
contribute
voluntarily
to
the
provision
of
that
good.
A
So
what
is
the
incentive
to
contribute
voluntarily
to
something
like
what
makes
you
want
to
do
something,
even
though
you're
already
receiving
benefits
from
it?
I
I
think
there
is
a
big
question
of
well-being
about
how
people
feel
pleasure
in
places
about
how
people
feel
seeing
how
they
feel
like
they
belong.
How
can
bonds
be
created?
A
There
is
an
experiment.
I
love
that
a
musician
made
where
he
went
through
all
over
the
world
got
got
connected
with
people
from
more
than
25
languages
and
all
of
them
expressed
that
they
wanted
to
be
loved
and
that
they
wanted
to
be
happy
and
that
they
wanted
to
be
healthy
and,
like
all
of
those
basic
things
that
are
from
like
very
much
the
human
existence.
So
if
these
things
are
being
provided,
voluntary,
like
actions
come
voluntarily.
A
So
this
is
definitely
a
big
missing
piece
of
the
systems
that
we've
been
working
on
coming
from
the
state
and
and
the
market
also
considers
it
an
open
question
whether
intermediate
size
groups
will
or
will
not
voluntarily
provide
collective
benefits.
His
definition
of
it
depends
not
on
the
number
of
actions
involved,
but
on
how
noticeable
each
person's
actions
are.
A
But
then,
when
you
shift
this
to
all
of
the
other
values
that
we
were
speaking
about
and
you
bring
you
bring
this
eyes
to
someone
with
love
and
with
acceptance
and
with
belonging,
we
can
have
a
very
beautiful
effect
of
of
this
voluntarianism
and
the
collective
benefits
that
everyone
can
have.
A
By
being
seen
so
from
this,
I
want
to
jump
into
the
eight
principles
for
governing
the
commons
that
has
been
guiding
so
much
of
our
work
and
I'll
just
go
very
briefly
between
between
them
and
and
maybe
you
can
identify
them
on
like
practical
examples
of
things
that
you
live
in
their
lives
and
if
you're,
an
active
member
of
the
tc.
Also
thinking
about
like
oh,
where,
where
are
they
present?
A
How
are
they
being
shaped
in
the
tc
so
clearly
defined
boundaries
is
just
being
able
to
exclude
people
from
appropriating
something
or
having
a
clear
directions
of
who
can
appropriate
resources
in
that
system
and
who
can't
so
in
the
tc
we've
been
using
the
trusted
seed
for
the
initialization
of
our
economy,
so
only
aligned
individuals
could
participate
in
the
hatch,
only
people
that
wanted
to
advance
token
engineering
as
a
field
and
not
look
for
immediate
profit,
so
any
community
can
find
what
are
their
initial
set
of
boundaries
and
also
how
we
relate
with
each
other
and
something
very
big
in
the
tc
has
been
the
preventative
culture.
A
So
we
want
to
prevent
all
of
the
bad
things
from
happening
by
providing
all
of
the
values
that
make
people
feel
good
that
provide
connection
that
bring
community
belonging.
So
we
don't
need
to
go
to
extremes
of
the
of
the
reactionary
actions
that
we
would
need
to
take
only
when
things
go
really
bad
and
then
principle
two
is
congruence
between
appropriation
and
provision.
So
this
is
basically
rules
to
keep
the
balance
of
the
system
going
and
keep
the
sustainability
of
it.
A
So
how
can
we
make
sure
that
we're
not
going
to
deplete
all
our
resources
if
we
continue
to
use
them
freely
like
what
types
of
rules
need
to
be
there
for
us
to
continue
to
be
abundant
and
then
number
three
collective
choice
arrangements?
A
A
So,
if
you're
involved
somewhere,
you
should
be
able
to
change
the
rules
of
of
that
of
that
system,
and-
and
this
comes
really
from,
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
most
important
aspects,
especially
when
talking
about
governance
is
like
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
allow
people
this
agency
and
what
is
the
structures
we
need
to
have
for
this
agency
to
come
naturally
and
come
in
a
way
that
it's
meaningful
for
the
whole
and
that
it's
not
gonna
damage
the
public
good,
that's
being
shared
within
everyone
and
then
monitoring?
A
I
think
ostrom
has
a
really
cool
way
to
look
at
monitoring,
because
it's
a
positive
monitoring
structure.
It
almost
looks
like
a
reward
like
if
you're,
given
the
chance
to
monitor
everything,
that's
happening
around
you,
you're
gonna
have
more
access
to
information
which
is
such
a
powerful
resource
and
and
you're
you're,
just
one
of
like
you're
equal
to
everyone.
So
it's
not
like
an
external
authority
is
monitoring
the
work
being
done
by
someone
else
that
creates
weird
power
dynamics
and
there's
much
of
a
dialogue
happening,
and
then
this
kills
a
little
bit.
A
That
sense
of
like
oh,
I'm
being
like
a
fool
that
I'm
complying
and
no
one
else
is
complying.
So
this
mutual
monitoring
puts
everyone
in
this
place
of
being
seen
as
a
positive
as
a
positive
thing,
and
then
graduated
sanctions
is
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
working
on
with
gravity.
That
is,
if
we
need
to
have
if
we
need
to
have
some
type
of
control
over
like
it
goes
along
with
number
one
and
two.
A
So
if
if
our
boundaries
are
crossed
or
if
the
rules
to
ensure
that
we
are
abundant
are
broken
or
if,
if
people
were
feeling
like
not
well
in
the
space
in
some
way,
if
conflicts
arise,
there
are
multiple
ways
of
seeing
conflict
and
also
something
really
special
that
she
brings
is
this
frame
of
like
having
forgiving
forgiving
rules
and
forgiving
sanctions.
A
So
if
you
have
something
where
someone
broke
a
rule
or
someone
did
something
that
created
a
conflict
or
that
made
people
not
feel
good,
they
want
to
have
the
chance
of
forgiveness,
and
then
how
can
we
build
structures
that
goes
back
into
the
talk
that
lorelai
gave
the
other
day
of
like
restorative
justice?
A
How
can
we
involve
the
people
that
are
part
of
conflict
to
be
the
ones
who
solve
the
conflicts
and
empower
everyone
to
have
this
ability
to
look
at
problems
in
a
way
of
solving
them
and
to
have
some
scales
of
what
actions
can
be
taken
depending
on
the
seriousness
of
of
the
infliction?
That
happens,
and
I
think,
with
the
preventive
culture
is,
is
much
harder
that
will
have
very
serious
things
happening,
but
it's
possible
that
they
happen,
and
how
can
we
have
such
a
strong
foundation
to
be
able
to
support
that?
A
So
some
of
the
things
that
some
of
the
sanctions
that
we
can
give
now
in
terms
of
the
boundaries
like
if
someone
has
a
behavior
that
is
totally
not
allowed
aligned
with
the
community,
maybe
they
can
be
removed
from
the
trusted
seed?
Maybe
they
can
lose
their
holdings?
Maybe
they
can
lose
governance
power
there.
There
are
a
few
measures
that
we
can
take.
A
That
can
be
discussed
for
each
type
of
scenario,
and
it's
really
amazing
to
have
all
of
you
interested
in
this,
because
everyone
is
bringing
different
perspectives
to
to
how
we
can
look
into
conflicts
and
people
have
people
belong
in
different
areas
of
the
ecosystem,
and
that
also
brings
a
lot
of
information
that
helps
us.
Take
a
fair
stance
over
everything
so
well.
I
spoke
about
graduated
sanctions
and
conflict
resolution
mechanisms.
A
The
tc
and
juan
came
to
help
so
much
with
that
so
also
having
those
trainings
and
just
the
spaces
for
us
to
talk
about
this
for
free
and
opening
space
for
education
around
this
topic
is,
is
part
of
this
approach
of
having
conflict
resolution
mechanisms
available
and
at
low
cost
and
then
minimal
recognition
of
rights
to
organize
talks
about
if,
if
you're,
creating
your
own
rules
and
boundaries
and
collective
choice
arrangements-
and
you
have
this
whole
structure-
you
would,
it
would
be
awful
if
someone
with
more
power
can
just
sh
shut
all
of
this
down
so
she's
speaking,
mostly
about
like
like
if
we
are
doing
this,
could
the
government
of
a
country
just
stop
us
like
what
are
the
minimum
recognition
rights
we
need
to
organize
legitimately
in
the
way
we
are
organizing?
A
And
for
this
we
have
the
trusted
seed
and
that's
our
illegal
strategy,
having
a
legal
association
to
protect
at
least
the
initialization
of
of
the
tec,
and
then
nasa
enterprises
are
just
for
comments
that
are
nested
within
larger
commons,
and
I
mean
we
are
all
nested
within
larger
commons,
like
we
are
all
nested
within
planet
earth
that
is
the
biggest
commons
we
we
share
and
just
having
this
awareness
of
how
many
systems
are
within
systems
and
which
ones
do
we
belong
to,
especially
when
designing
a
new
system
is
very
important.
A
So
what
are
all
of
the
other
enterprises
that
we
are
inserted
in,
for
example,
the
tc
is
within
the
xdi
community
and
the
ethereum
community,
and
the
dao
eco
ecosystem
and
and
creating
relationships
between
all
of
these
groups
is
super
important.
So
we're
we're
also
working
a
lot
on
this
down
to
doubt
relationships.
A
I
hope
this
was
understandable
and
I
ran
a
little
bit
because
I
wanted
to
have
space
to
go
to
this
exercise
and
feel
free
to
send
me
questions
over
the
chat
or
pm
me
at
any
time,
and
I
want
to
move
to
this
this
phrase
that
I've
been
talking
a
lot
about
it
like
everywhere,
but
it
really
for
a
long
time,
but
it
really
resonates
with
me
because
it
clicked
so
many
things
in
myself
from
understanding
this.
So
I
had
the
pleasure
to
be
in
a
meeting
with
dominic
barter
laurel.
A
I
was
speaking
about
the
other
day,
he's
a
big
guy
in
restorative
justice
and
and
nvc
nonviolent
communication,
and
once
that
was
the
first
nbc
meeting
I
ever
went.
A
So
when
we
understand
the
systems
that
we
are
in
and
and
coming
back
to
the
prisoner's
dilemma
like
feeling
like,
we
can't
exit
the
systems
and
feeling
like
so
many
choices
were
just
like
forced
upon
us.
This
creates
a
sense
of
violence,
and
what
I
want
to
propose
to
us
is
that
we
can
open
paths
to
understand
the
self-inflicting
violence.
A
A
We
could
make
that
we
could
have
and
how
they've
been
violent
with
our
presence
and
once
we
start
to
find
our
expression
as
like
adults
and
human
beings
and
the
world
a
lot
of
these
things,
they
start
to
be
suffocated
and,
and
they
might
explode
in
different
ways,
and
we
don't
even
know
where
they're
coming
from
like
who
asked
me
if
I
wanted
to
be
in
a
capitalist
system
who
asked
me
if
I
wanted
to
be
a
woman
who
asked
me
if
I
wanted
to
be,
I
don't
know
like
there's
so
many,
like
educated
in
a
certain
system.
A
You
know
there
are
so
many
things
that
we
didn't
know
that
we
could
choose
and
in
fact,
as
we
were
like
being
born,
we
couldn't
choose,
but
then
how
to
reclaim
ownership
of
this
thing.
So
I
want
to
propose
an
exercise
that
is
to
identify
some
of
this
stuff.
A
One
of
them
is
what
ways
people
treat
you
that
you
really
don't
like
and
are
there
uncomfortable
states
you
feel
often
because
the
way
you
were
or
are
treated,
I
want
us
to
take
some
time
to
do
this
and
I
would
love
if
either
you
can
have.
If
you
have
a
paper
around
you
or
if
you
want
to
do
like
to
open
a
doc
and
write
it
down
or
the
notes
on
your
computer
will
take,
will
take
five
minutes.
A
Why
so
short
time,
because
they
should
be
intuitive?
Like
you,
you
know
deep
down.
What
are
the
things
that
that
make
you
feel
uncomfortable
and
what
are
the
ways
that
people
treat
you
that
you
don't
like,
so
you
won't
have
to
share
this
with
no
one
unless
you
want
it.
So
take
this
time
to
be
very
with
yourself
and
to
check
in
to
ask
how
you're
feeling,
right
now
and
and
sometimes
things
come
to
our
mind
that
it
feels
like.
Oh,
I
don't
think
this
like
we.
A
We
have
two
minutes,
still,
I'm
just
going
to
share
the
ones
I
did
in
case.
This
can
help
anyone.
B
B
A
A
A
A
So
from
not
being
a
priority
in
my
relationships,
the
question
I
ask
myself
is:
how
can
I
prioritize
my
feelings,
desires
needs
and
well-being
from
not
being
heard.
How
can
I
open
self-dialogues
to
identify
my
needs
and
express
myself
better?
How
am
I
not
hearing
myself
from
being
treated
with
seriousness
instead
of
joy?
A
I
hope
everyone
is
doing
all
right
there
and
so
we're
gonna
go
into
breakout
rooms.
You
can
stay
here
exactly
where
you
are
don't
move
and
I
will
move
you
to
the
groups
and-
and
there
what's
going
to
happen,
is
that
well
realizing.
Some
of
these
things
sometimes
become
way
easier
when
we
have
a
space
to
share
and
to
open
dialogue,
and-
and
it's
totally
fine,
if
you
just
want
to
be
in
listening
mode,
you
don't
want
to
open
your
camera.
A
So
this
is
starting
to
recognize
patterns
and
and
whenever
we
talk
about
them,
it's
usually
very
relieving.
So
I
want
to
give
this
opportunity
for
us
to
chat
a
little
bit
about
this
and
we'll
have
about
like
five
minutes
five
to
six
minutes,
and
it
can
be
like
a
minute
or
two
sharing
for
each
if
you,
if
you
feel
like
so
I'll,
start
moving
you
right
now,
if
there's
anyone
that
don't
want
to
be
put
in
any
group.
C
Yeah,
I
can
go
first,
so
yeah.
I
was
thinking
what
I
really
don't
like,
and
one
thing
I
I
don't
like
is
that
like?
C
If
I'm
expressing
concerns
about
something
or
uncertainty
about
a
problem
that
someone
might
have
overlooked,
for
example,
at
work
and
people
like
go
over
it
and
and
don't
care
much
about
it
and
yeah,
and
in
this
situation
then
I
feel
that
I'm
not
valued
that
much
or
I
feel
misunderstood
and
yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if,
like
we
want
to
collect
and
then
go
deeper
or
if
I
should
also
talk
about
the
questions
I
came
up
with.
C
Okay,
okay
and
yeah,
so
I
was
asking
myself:
why
do
I
want
them
to
listen
or
like
why
I
feel
misunderstood
or
are
not
valued?
Maybe
I'm
thinking
that
my
value
depends
on
what
others
think
about
me
and
so
yeah.
This
is
I
something
I
know
which
I
want
to
get
rid
of,
but
yeah.
This
might
be
the
cause,
I'm
not
responsible
for
for
solving
problems
for
others
if
they
don't
care
or
yeah.
D
B
B
Pm,
okay,
I
guess
it's
a
little
bit
similar
in
the
issue
that
it's
based
on
what
other
people
think
primarily,
but
I
guess
how
I
perceive
that
other
people
think
is
like
how
do
you
ever
know
really,
but
I
have
a
like
an
inferiority
complex,
that's
pretty
severe,
so
I
I
term
it
as
again
posture
syndrome.
So
essentially
I
respect
people
of
you
know,
intelligence
that
I
you
know,
I'm
privileged
to
be
around
significantly
and.
B
Deserving
my
respect,
I
feel
that
I
am
like
not
a
part
of
it
and
when
they
confirm
that
and
treat
me
like,
I'm
not
relevant
or
not
apart,
but
that's
something
that
upsets
me
in
a
way-
and
you
know
not
not
angry,
but
just
you
know
makes
me
feel
like
I
need
to
be
on
the
outside.
B
Looking
in
versus
participating
internally,
so
yeah,
I
kind
of
came
up
with
the
same
question,
though,
is
that
is
that
my
own
perception
of
other
people,
or
is
that
my
turning
my
my
own
internal
worries
into
reality
by
reflecting
that
onto
them?
B
D
I
will
give
you
feedback
gene,
it's
funny.
I'm
used
to
being
asked
for
feedback
in
the
sessions
I
do
with
people,
but
for
this
one
I
was
like
scooting
it
away
every
time
it
came
up
because
I
didn't
expect
it,
but
I
just
kind
of
want
to
tell
you
that
you're
worthy
and
you
are
that
intelligent
person
in
the
room
and
when
you
don't
bring
yourself
into
the
room,
then
like
everybody's
missing
out
on
what
you
have
to
offer.
C
And
what
I
also
would
like
to
add
is
that,
like
people
tend
to
think
people
are
intelligent
because
of
things
they
like
achieved
or
like
because
they
have
a
title
or
something
but
yeah.
This
is
not
really
like
what
counts
it's.
It's
like.
You
can
really
yeah.
I
would
not
like.
I
was
at
university
and
I
I
met
a
lot
of
people
that
were
really
worried
about
other
thinking
about
how
intelligent
they
are.
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
to
make
it
like
make
the
point
yeah.
You
cannot
really
judge
someone
without
knowing
him
deeply
and
yeah.
C
D
D
You
can
go
okay,
I'll,
give
myself
two
minutes.
I
didn't
do
the
exercise
because
I
didn't
want
to
cry
so
I'll
do
a
living,
but
I'll
do
it
now.
What
are
the
ways
people
treat
you
that
you
really
don't
like?
I
don't
like
to
be
put
on
a
pedestal
or
like
for
people
to
like
have
very
like
high
expectations
of
me
and
then,
when
I
fall
off
that
pedestal,
then
I
get
like
blamed
or
accused
of
things.
D
I
guess
like
I'm
a
very
I'm,
I'm
I'm
mildly
autistic
or
I'm
autistic,
and
I
also
like
to
just
like
state
what
I
see
and
I've
learned
social
nuance
to
to
deliver
that,
but
sometimes
I
just
want
to
be
straightforward
and
be
like
this
person
hasn't
been
around
for
three
months.
Maybe
they
shouldn't
be
in
this
leadership
position
that
you
know
is
guiding
our
consensus
and
then
people
are
like.
We
don't
think
you
should
decide.
D
I'm
like
I
have
this
in
the
proposals
channel,
because
I
want
to
see
how
people
think
about
it,
and
people
just
will
make
assumptions
that
I'm
power
grabbing.
People
will
make
assumptions
about
me
that
I'm
an
individualistic
narcissistic
prick
and
I'm
like
such
a
collective
oneness
oriented
jew
that
like
it,
it
just
makes
me
sad.
It
makes
me
sad
that
people
are
trained
to
like
see
me
as
something
I'm
not
and
when
michael
was
talking.
I
was
very
relating
to
the
misunderstanding.
D
The
that's
like
a
deep
wounding
for
me
is
being
misunderstood
and
I'll
and
I'll
make
myself
small
and
I'll
leave
channels,
and
I
won't
make
myself
public,
but
I
think
what
the
ways
that
I
have
I
do
have
a
lot
of,
and
I
learned
a
lot
about
empowerment
and
self-dialogue
from
12
steps,
specifically
aca,
which
is
a
behavioral
version
of
12-step,
not
so
much
related
to
substances,
and
I
my
time
is
almost
up
but
yeah,
just
building
relationship
with
myself
and
building
my
relationship
with
others
who
are
relating
to
themselves
and
like
learning
from
each
other,
how
to
empower,
because
we
weren't
taught
that
most
of
us
so
I'll
end
with
saying
healthy,
re-parenting,
okay,
zeptimus,
I'm
gonna
pass
it
to
you.
B
B
Those
are
two
situations
like
you
know
like
when,
even
when
I
don't
like
when
I
I
talk
about
the
problem,
and
I
don't
feel
here
that
that
hurts
me
and
but
you
know
like
I
usually
just
run
away
right
like
okay
and
I
feel
like
that's
my
scapula
system,
like
you
know
like
yeah,
there's
something
like
I
just
don't
like.
I
just
you
know
like
I,
I
don't
understand,
and
I
just
I
don't
know.
B
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
that's
what
I
normally
do
but
yeah,
but
then
also
like.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
like
if
you
know
like
if
you're
running,
where
you're
not
feeling
comfortable,
then
you
end
up
in
a
place
where
you
feel
comfortable
right.
So
yeah
I
don't
know,
maybe
sometimes
it's
preventing
you
to
do
some
stuff
at
the
other
time
like
it's
helping
you
to
find
like
like
the
way
you
want
to
be,
I
don't
know
yeah,
that's
my
words
thanks
for.
A
So
I'm
I'm
really.
I'm
really
thankful
that
that
you
all
went
through
this
exercise,
it's
a
powerful
one
for
me,
it
has
been
with
me
for
a
while
and
well.
The
place
I
wanted
to
arrive
is
that
we
can
take
ownership
back.
We
can
make
new
choices
when
we
identify
the
choices
that
others
took.
Without
our
permission
that
have
been
bothering
us
or
the
systemic
choices
that
we
don't
feel
like
we
belong
to
when
we
bring
to
the
personal
level.
A
A
How
do
you
hate
that
people
treat
you
and-
and
I
said
very
quickly,
I
hate
when
people
ignore
me
and
she
said:
when
are
you
gonna
stop
ignoring
yourself,
and
that
was
very
powerful
and
it
has
been
resonating
with
me
since
and
I
am
honored
I
could
share
that
with
you
and-
and
I
think
this
path
to
empowerment
and
to
taking
ownership
and
to
having
agency
is
a
substantial
path
for
participating
in
self-governing
communities,
because
self-knowledge
is
what
can
brings
us
this
feeling
of
community
of
autonomy
of
interdependence
and
not
codependence,
and
not
independence,
also,
but
understanding
that
we're
all
connected
and
that
if
we
share
the
same
values,
what
I
want
is
the
same
that
you
want
and
we
don't
have
to
fight
for
it,
and
and
informing
ourselves
of
our
processes
also
helps
us
to
guide
others
through
healing
processes
and
through
conflict
management
places.
A
So
self-knowledge
is
the
path
to
agency
cooperation,
confidence
ability
to
support
yourself
and
others,
and
the
way
to
find
your
true
motivations,
all
very
important
aspects
to
governing
our
comments.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
today
and
feel
free
to
continue
these
conversations
with
me,
anytime
or
with
anyone
here.
I
think
maybe
you
can
reach
out
to
each
other,
and
I'm
sure
this
would
be
very
welcome
for
a
lot
of
people
too.