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00:00 - Intentions and distractions
09:02 - Gnosis chain
14:39 - Paulo updates
19:10 - ABC
36:26 - TEC convert
40:18 - Gardens front end

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A

And uh I forget what it's called sorry.

A

Intentions, yes, intentions and distractions, and uh for a question today, let's ask: um what did you want to be when you were in third grade? What did you want to be when you grew up um so I'll get started? My intentions for this call are to um get through and close out the last issues for the abc and then talk about what we need to get done in order to have the uh the whole hatch upgrade successful, um then uh yeah.

A

So when I was in third grade, I wanted to be an astronaut or an inventor, um and so actually you know we're in this space kind of satisfies the inventor desire. So anyway, I will pass it to zepty.

B

Oh thanks bradley when I was a child, I wanted to be a scientist, but then I just stopped. I don't know uh intentions for the call yeah just to sing up with you guys see how common swami is doing and I do not have any distraction I'll pass it to paulo.

C

Intentions for this meeting is to see kong with everyone share the well the work that I was doing today and see what else is missing in order to.

C

Deploy the the commons uh down and um distractions: well, it's kind of freezing my house right now, it's really cold, but apart from that and anything else and well, when I was a kid, I really wanted to be like the people that dream with the dolphins.

C

I thought that was really cool, so yeah I'll pass it to chewy.

D

Thank you, paolo.

D

So uh intentions for today think um maybe find out what the whole uh gnosis thing uh means for tt common swarm.

D

I mean if it's like uh something more uh complicated than the obvious, um but yeah just to be able to catch up with that um no distractions. Today, and when I was a kid I was super into piano. I still love piano, but I don't practice that often- um and I wanted to be a professional piano player.

D

However, I'm very thankful in life because, rather than being one I'm finding out how to make it affordable or sustainable so yeah, I uh it's uh music is it's in me since I was very young and I'll pass it to cuanca.

E

Thanks chewie, um when I was a kid I wanted to be a philosopher, I feel that I really like philosophy and that somehow what we're doing here, it's related to that. So I am happy about that and um my intention is yeah to sync with you guys. um I don't have any instruction and I'll pass to metaverte.

E

What, where what did you want to do when you were a kid? Oh.

F

Yeah, I remember my intention is to find an issue I can do. My distraction is my own bad self. As always, and when I was in the third grade, I wanted to be a jockey. I kid you not. I still love the thoroughbred horse, um maybe not so crazy about racing anymore, and everyone told me I would be too big and I am, and so my backup plan was to be.

F

I am not kidding a major league baseball player, but here I am and I'm not sure who has and hasn't gone brad so I'll pass it back to you. Oh great, I'm passing it to griff.

G

Yeah uh man, I honestly have no idea what I wanted to be when I was a kid I don't know. If I wanted, maybe I just wanted to be unemployed. I think uh eventually, I wanted to be a basketball coach was something that I wanted to be, um but not in third grade uh and then as far as intentions for the call uh well distractions, I'm I have a bowl of soup right here, so I'm definitely gonna be feasting and uh intentions.

G

Man, everyone else's ideas, sound great to me. I'd love to hear the the latest updates on what paulo is working on, trying to get this dow out and, of course, the abc market buy or sell. I can't wait to hear sims ideas there and for sure um we can at least sink on like if gnosis chain has any impact on what we're planning to do, and I don't think miguel miguel yeah. Thank you.

G

You're breaking everything.

D

G

Yeah, it doesn't sound like it's working man.

A

All right miguel would love to hear from you. Sorry.

H

Okay, let's jump over to, um I wonder what what's that sam, I want to go as well. Do we skip you? Let's go to set yeah.

I

Okay intentions finish the bonding curve.

I

There is one last thing, one last issue that remains and I'd like to discuss it with um with you in, in order to see what, which is the correct answer, I guess yeah yeah and distractions- none um I I am in the in the house yet and when I was a kid um I think third grade is like when you are eight years old right.

A

B

I

I I had, I changed my mind many times, but when I was 8 years old, I was very much into catholicism, not anymore, but at the point maybe I would be who is? It called somebody who is in the chat free at least or a monk.

H

I

Hopefully I changed my mind.

J

Okay, oh hello, ah yes, yeah! When I was a kid, I want to watch cars.

J

I love to watch my dad and my mom's car all day.

J

That's awesome yeah, but now I don't really like it.

A

Fair enough um any intentions or distractions for the call today, uh no no.

J

I'm new here I'm just learning.

A

Okay, excellent well welcome. We go all right, let's start with um something, maybe a little easier first. uh So maybe we talk about gnosis chain.

G

um So yeah I have the I I have an inside scoop here, so I don't. I actually haven't read what the blog post forum post said that chewie sent me. So I'm not sure, but I saw it in google clock form which is cool. uh Basically, I don't think it will have any impact on what we're doing. I don't think it'll have any impact on the x die token or rap decks die. It will have an impact on steak.

G

Tokens believe that they're going to do some kind of like turn in you have to convert your steak to gnosis tokens, and I was begging them not to put a time time. They were at least at first. When I saw that draft. They were saying that it was going to be like a time thing that you have to do it within a year. I don't know if that's still the case or not, I beg them not to make it make it just like you convert it whenever you want, you know forever, but um but yeah.

G

So that's that's one thing, and then uh I I think it will. The what's interesting is that they're making a push for the ethereum two road map, and this idea that xdi will be a canary chain, and I'm really excited about that idea. This is what kusama did for polka dot, where it's like. First, you do all the upgrades on a test net and then you do the upgrades on a low, a lower like like less market cap and chain.

G

You know, uh and then you go to uh the ethereum main net, you know, and so, but with the lower with the real money chain, you can test the economic viability of some of the choices that you made so like.

G

If people can find a way to hack it then they'll hack it when there's money at stake and what's also cool, is that that means that I think it'll make x die a lot more valuable to people, because you'll want to first make sure your app works on xdi, with the new ethereum two upgrades before pushing it to ethereum. You know so it's like all of a sudden xdi becomes the bleeding edge of ethereum development, um so my understanding is that xdi will have will be the same x die for a long time.

G

The only change that will happen is that we'll have to you know. If you have stake tokens you'll want to switch them for gnosis tokens and then the if you have, um but then there will be a beacon chain and that beacon chain will be like the ethereum two beacon chain and eventually there will be an upgrade to make um an emerger of the beacon chain with with uh with with the current xti network, which will be gnosis chain, and then it will continue to evolve uh I'll following the theorem two roadmap.

A

G

I didn't read the blog post, though so tell me if they change things or if I'm missing something or something that is specifically chewy, something that you're worried about.

D

I mean not not regarding like any like functional stuff. It's just some of the details in the proposal that um some people in the community have been thinking that it's like uh uneven in some way uh yeah but like regarding. Like the proposal details, uh um I don't. um I don't think that there's anything like related or that it may affect directly uh everything that is happening, which is why I.

F

D

Also wanted to bring this topic up, because I might learn something from it, but uh yeah so far uh it looks uh interesting um and and yeah they. uh They mentioned some of the communities that we're close to uh in their proposals. So it's uh it's interesting that uh some of these are gaining a major exposure because of this, so it might actually be a great momentum for uh the comments upgrades but yeah, who knows it's uh still a proposal, so hopefully it can come together in a nice way.

A

We need to assign someone from common swarm or common stack overall, they just keep an eye on the on the progress, as as they move from proposal to deploy execution.

G

I mean I'm definitely going to be following it uh either.

D

G

D

um I'm following the uh london fork uh part I was. uh I was into that that's supposed to happen on november 11th uh and yeah. I feel that uh I'll I'll be aware of some other stuff as well so yeah, if there's anything relevant to the common storm I'll bring it up.

A

Fantastic, all right sounds good all right, so that's one thing off the list: um maybe we go to what paulo is working on and what he wants to discuss and we'll save the best for last.

C

Sure, and so last week I didn't have time to actually work on anything. I was on a uh and like an immersion course right.

A

C

um Basically, last the whole week so didn't have time to actually not even to open this court so yeah. I started the work I started working today. I actually talked with sam in the afternoon to see the progress and how are we go? We were going regarding the abc and the in the comments upgrade and basically start to work on the testing to test, like um the the migration part, specifically like the the migration regarding passing all the tokens from the hatch to the gardens style so specific on excite. Basically so.

C

I spent basically most of the day setting up everything, because the hardhat configuration that we had on the common sub-break was a bit outdated and I had some some problems regarding, like the for the blockchain forks, so spend some time on solving that.

C

I also discussed with them that the best approach was to basically create a garden song next day. That later would be updated, like had some initial garden that we can work on the local test on the local blockchain test, I mean so. I also spent some time looking at the latest updates on the gardens site, because they change a lot of the scripts that I was working a few months ago. So I also was like catching up with everything there. So, but anyway, I am basically ready to start testing the the actual migration.

C

I still have to create the gardens.

C

To start working on that, but yeah.

C

That, basically, was my latest work today. I hope that for tomorrow I can have like the proper unit testing to see that the token transfers are made correctly, that we're not leaving behind any tokens and that the the guardian's agent will receive the money and all that anyway, uh that that's uh everything on my site for now and yeah.

C

That will be all.

I

So basically we are going to deploy a gardens that is going to be like the next tc garden and.

I

Then we do the the tests on the things that tc has to do for them, um but not tests on the things that we can change at any moment if they break, we just create a new dow and we go on, but the most important thing is the things that we cannot afford to fail, such as moving the funds and not checking that everything goes fine.

I

So the tests on the fork are going to be focused on this boat, that migrates, the fans and and the token opens the bonding core and everything.

C

Yeah, oh sorry, go ahead.

I

The the other thing that we are we have is that the the bonding curve is still.

I

We still have one of an issue, so we have to finish that one and we have to deploy it because it is changing so some things we also have to update the the front end for it and the commands upgrade because the the permissions are different. Now they are very little changes it doesn't make. It is not going to be a a lot of things, but still it's important. It's it's a kind of blocker. We cannot have the common upgrade.

I

We cannot write the final commercial upgrade until we have the bonding curve deployed.

I

So this is something that I have been trying to finish. It's not finished.

I

uh Basically, what is what is going on is that um the last issue in which we have the the order of burning the tokens before or after doing the calculations actually paolo, did a pull request. That looks very good because it changes some of it changes it and also the tests in order to make it work again.

I

But right now I don't know I am like shokai 99 percent or ninety percent sure that this is the way to go. Pablo is as well right pablo and still the two options are half passing tests, and how do you know, which is the one that uh how how you make sure that this total supply less the amount is not the way to go? I can share the screen if you want.

C

Yeah because, basically, uh the change that I did was the one that sockeye suggested that was like making um uh calling the banker formula with the the total supply, like the original total supply. Before, like subtracting the the amount of tokens that you wanted to sell.

C

Because, like the way that it was working right now, it was like you burn the tokens first and then you do the banker formula calculations like using the the updated total supply.

C

So, like you find you found out that both both ways were working right like when you do a buy order and then a sell order, like the resulting total supply, was zero um in both cases. So that shouldn't happen.

I

Exactly this is the this is the thing that, when I think that it's here.

I

When we are testing.

I

Sorry, I don't, I don't know what now? What is it? Maybe it's here. It is testing that everything if you buy and then sell it, goes to zero.

I

Here it it tests that the balance after is zero, it tests that the total supply after is zero, so these two conditions hold and they in order to hold in both cases.

I

What it does is right now we are subtracting the amount from the total supply before doing the calculation in here and in here, and removing the soof.

I

Which is something that is this, this soup, this um subtraction here is not in the formula, so this is why we are more confident that this should not be here, and then it works. If this change of order is, is operating.

I

I

Why removing the amount here makes it work, makes the test work, and I am I I don't want to leave that. One percent of.

I

Being that the the economic ensign of the dao, this is not it's important to have that very clear.

G

Could could we do like a couple buys and a couple cells intermixed? I assume it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't change, but.

I

It it doesn't change because it um it goes to zero in a way so buying and selling the same amount.

G

Well, there's also the the if you're buying and then selling a little and then buying more and then selling a little there's, probably no change that could happen under that kind of scenario I mean I I'm surprised it went to zero because I would have thought there would be rounding errors.

I

I

What do you think pablo have you had the chance to when you were writing this book request? Did you have the chance to think why it was going to work? One of the things that I don't really understand is: why are we calling this this function here, because it's it's checking with the sale return function that it's at the same time an internal function? That is calling the formula of the bonding curve directly.

C

I

Independent, I mean.

C

Those functions are the ones that you need to in order to compare the actual sale with the expected one. So that's why I remove both amount subtraction from the supply that you.

C

Pass to the bank or formula.

C

I still don't know. I thought that when you try to do the sale using like like using the the previous abc contract, the one that burned the tokens first and then do the sale calculation. I thought that that case was going to give something different than zero. You know, but I still don't know why both cases.

I

And it is not so this is why we have to take it very carefully.

C

Yeah, I am, I will have to take a deeper look into it, because I was hoping that the the.

C

The first case was going to give a like a remnant or a amount of tokens on the total supply, but I still have to take a look at it.

I

And this this changes on subtracting the amount here in the total supply it does. Actually it does not actually affect anything. I mean if we were not, I mean.

C

Yes, it does because that those are like the parameters that you pass to the banker formula, so you know.

I

What uh what I am referring to is that you are doing a buy make by order here, yeah off as a certain amount that you hardcode here.

C

I

C

I

Yeah, it doesn't matter it's it's good.

C

I

You have here this this, this amount, the random amount or this specific amount. You do the buy order and then, when you sell it, you you take the tokens of the of your balance and this token balance before is directly your balance.

I

It is not going through the expected sale return for amount that we are modifying, so uh even if we were not modifying it, we will still get the same balance before that we are doing the make order the the make cell order- and this goes to zero this this goes to the expected value.

I

So both things are working and it's like should well things work.

I

uh Maybe we can find other amounts in which it will not work, as as grief is saying, maybe if we instead of going to zero, we start from a specific point, buy and then sell what will happen then.

C

Like sell uh a lesser amount than the original buy like.

G

For example, if you.

C

If you buy 10, you sell seven, I don't know and see if it gives you the proper.

C

I

Important thing is to break it before before fixing it.

G

Yeah, I would say, make a couple buys and a couple cells and then try to zero it out and see if there's like some kind of weird interplay, if you're just making one buy and then one cell, maybe it's not complicated enough.

G

K

It is, it is really.

C

Weird, really, I mean yeah, because the way it was working on the batch abc was like when you do a sale. They like catch the the total supply like the way um sokai was mentioning on the notes. So that's why it doesn't matter if you burn after or before, because you have like a catch value that you would use for, calculating the sale return using the bank or formula.

C

So uh that's why I I'm still a bit impressed that it was working both way, but anyway uh we have to take a deeper look into it and say test with different cases.

C

uh That's why I was testing the the migration first, because the idea was to test like uh the migration using an already common uh garden style instead of a garden style. But until we have this issue solved, I think it's best to use a normal gardens to check the migration. And then we do the test for the already updated common style.

L

G

Yeah, these are the state of the things at the moment. Well, do we do we need to test the migrations until we get this sorted out.

I

Or they are two different things.

G

Yeah exactly so, but we still have to prioritize one over the other right or is one person gonna work on one thing and the other person work on another thing.

I

G

I

The other, so what is doing is uh do the migration without the bonding curve. Just in order to advance the immigration, then we add the abundant curve.

I

I mean when and then, when we have the bonding curve, we have the bonding curve to the migration script. Let's say it's better. This way it's just because we.

A

I

Have to check out that we can test the test, the vote in which we are migrating and do some checks that everything is working.

C

I

The money is there and everything so this, because this is taking a little bit of time, um then adding the first doing it for the garden and then doing it for the the upgraded garden.

I

It will be better this way than doing waiting until we have the bonding curve ready and undoing it after after that,.

G

G

Totally, but is there I guess the my question: is who's going to be doing the migration and who's going to be writing the more tests for the abc? I am finishing this.

I

um Well, actually, I think that both paolo and mick will be looking at this at the same time, because of because of the weirdness of it.

G

That's kind of what I was thinking too, which is why it's like well, if both of you are just going to work on this until you solve it, then, like you know we just, I don't think we need to make more progress on the migration stuff until this is solved right.

C

Yeah, the original idea was to divide the work, but I wasn't expecting that. Maybe it was that weird, the the problem.

A

C

Because, maybe it's a bit complex, we we both can take a look at it in order to finish it.

C

I

Understand it very well because it's.

C

Yeah do not to not make a change without knowing very well. How is it working underneath? You know so yeah.

C

We can take a look uh they're. Both we can take a look at.

A

Them I'll poke I'll poke a little bit at the contract uh on the plane tonight to um see. If I can do the the multiple sell and buy thing, let's see how that works.

I

Okay and check it out, there is also the some time ago I sent some slides with the formulas on the bank on the one core.

A

I

So maybe that also helps doing okay using the uh what I, what I'm going to do is using those formulas to have um to do the calculations by hand and then see how why it is giving zero in both cases right and.

I

I think that now it's it's also some. I think that one of the things is also going to be to demonstrate mathematically. Why is it going on and when it fails, based on the formal.

I

And- and that's it I think, um okay, we we do not have so much more to share today,.

G

Any any updates from um well sorry: well, maybe, is there anything else on this bonding curve topic, all the other issues are solved and yes,.

I

G

That's great, I mean yeah, they were.

I

They were a lot and yeah. This is the only one issue the other ones are. There is one that I'm that I'd like to ask shokai when we finish everything that I'm not sure what I'm.

I

I am not sure that what I was doing was right, um it works um and it works quite well. The the change is not is not making the the code ugly or anything, but we are removing an s-store.

I

Operation, but we are adding a delegate call, so I just wanted to know if he was thinking on that or not. He was suggesting to remove the assessor operation, and this is the only one. The only shoe that I am not sure about, if it is better now than it was before the rest are, are quite good. That's, okay, look I mean the code right now is it has less lines?

I

It is simpler and better.

C

The idea of the of that issue was like basically to improve performance, but it wasn't. There was like anything wrong or something right. Yes,.

K

I

Yeah, there are a lot of of issues that were in order to improve the quality of the code, which is is good.

I

Also, there are some changes in order to install the bonding curve. They are important. uh There is right now a managed collateral token, so there were three permissions. Add collateral, token, remove collateral token and update that now they are just one and that's collateral token.

I

So, in order to install the vending curve, it's important to have into account.

K

In the comments upgrade, let's say.

C

We have to update the the commas operator script, you mean like remove those permissions and add the manage collateral. One.

I

Yes and then the other thing that may be important is in relation to the tac. Convert the front end of the dc over the mounting curve is.

I

It will affect it. It will affect the the way that the amount is calculated so changing that will we will have to change the front end as well.

I

These are the two things that are important in order to have the new contract working, update the front end and update the command upgrade.

I

But yeah, I think it's everything and I don't know if you had something in the mind to talk about that.

G

Well, there's the gardens front end. I don't know if you.

I

Yeah I know that fabric has been working on that uh he I think that it's not yet ready, but because he was working on that and different other issues at the same time, in order to have a an upgraded frontend for everything.

I

But I I mean I some screenshots or something about this change. It's.

A

Maybe last time.

G

Some are you there. We can't hear you yes,.

I

Yes, yes, yes, yes,.

G

um Where did I cut some screenshots or something like that? Okay,.

I

Yeah, it's something that is happening. I have seen some screenshots on the on showing the symbols on the common pool tokens. So this is what we fabry is already working on that I think that when it ready it might require some feedback at some point some review.

I

Maybe he doesn't give us exactly what we wanted. So maybe we have to ask again, but it's something that it's already taken care of.

A

G

It's blocking the demo as well right.

I

Yes, but it's it's going to be different.

I

The the most important thing for me is to have the the tests. I the the programmatic tests, that everything is in the place and exactly the the exact amount. Let's say right and and then um we can have.

I

This demo is going to be a little bit tricky because it means that we will have to do it on on.

I

I I will not think on the demo, yet I I just want to have the thing ready and when we.

I

I don't know how much value is going to provide to have a demo before the the real thing.

G

We it's, I think we would want to do some user testing. You know and just get to understand. If there's any ways we can mitigate user experience issues and.

I

Yeah totally, the thing is that maybe what we can, what we can do with the user testing is we when we already have the funds migrated to the net to the new place, if it's user testing, with the with the front end or with the yeah, with the front end with the bonding curve or the um or the completion voting or or whatever, um I think that they are separated things uh one. Is that the the there is no, not not user testing with the contracts it's if a contract is, is working. It's it's working.

I

And then they should that can rise with the front end. They can be fixed once the fans are in the new down it will. It will be a little bit weird because.

G

Yeah I mean I, I don't. I don't think I I'm that's just not how I that's. It doesn't seem that seems kind of like um not ideal. You know.

I

Yeah, I I don't. I know it's it's that it's it's taking forever it's taking forever. It's like. um We want.

I

We want to do it when uh I I was talking that, with with paolo today, we if we are doing uh one car is different than doing a factory that makes cars so um having a car. That is working perfectly.

I

It's just okay, let's do one car right.

I

If we are going to do two cars, maybe then it's better to do the factory that creates many cars, but creating this factory is is is going to take. I don't know it's it's not only time, but it's all the all the work that it it's going to take for us.

I

And we were thinking on just doing the prototype that is working for dc.

G

But I mean when you deploy it, aren't you using scripts to deploy it so that it's like.

I

The idea that we are having is to have a garden that is going to be the final garden. We just instantiate it. We upgrade it through a boat and this boat can we can do as many boats as we want in order to change any property of this garden.

I

If we decide that the the duration time of the boat should be less or more or whatever, then we change it and it's it's going to be the final garden. Let's say it's like.

G

Oh so you're going to you're going to deploy a garden on x-die and then and then we'll use it to do testing yeah anyway, and then we'll actually just leave that also we'll just reconfigure it for the actual.

I

Yeah and the only thing that is going to be weird is that we will not have real user testing for this particular combination, but the gardens are already tested with I mean we are using them every day and they won't include this.

G

One can we can we do the best of both worlds and, like you know, we upgrade it with the bonding curve, and maybe we just mint man. I don't know it still sounds really risky for a 1.5 million dollar economy to not actually do a full test. You know yeah.

J

I know I know, I know.

I

Really this is why, but I trust way more in the programmatic unit tests, then user testing and if the user testing is, is going to take so much time. I would prefer to.

I

I think that the user testing is is not going to catch everything that we can catch with.

I

With doing the proper.

I

Tests with with the forks right I mean the problem that the forks have is that they are, they don't have the front end. That's the point, that's the point. uh I I I would prefer to do the the forking and testing it than doing something that is going to be on another chain or in the same chain, but at the same time uh not exactly exactly the same and.

I

At the end there there may be something that is is wrong.

G

And I mean: can we do the best of both worlds and just like have a permission to basically like destroy all the tokens or burn tokens or something like that and so that we can reset the exact same um garden? You know like use the same garden, so you don't have to deploy it and everything over and over again, but then, like you know, give give up.

G

You know. Dow voting has the same permissions as sem's address you know uh or for like you know the testing period, and then we just you know when testings and we actually meant tc tokens and we even have the same token address and all those things are are sorted and known and we're playing, but it's but we everyone knows, this is like it'd, be kind of weird, it's the real tc token. But it's also the sem tc token. That sem has the power all the tokens or something, and then we do it for real.

C

There's a third option where basically is connecting the local fork blockchain with a front end. So we could like do a demo using the ford blockchain instead. But I don't know how much time we will take to connect a front end with the with that without local blockchain. So but that's another option, maybe to take into account, but I'm not sure.

K

I

Cut it in pretty pretty rise, the having the the common grade ready for prime time. um I I I think that the the first things to do is uh having it done.

I

uh The second is having it very tested in the fork, and the third is if we have time- and there is a very good reason for that- I mean I think that there are some things that could have a a good reason to test, but the tests are already there. If you go to rinkaby.org.

I

You can already test the the front end of the of the bonding curve and it's using the old contract, but we can change it when we have the new contract and.

I

I I will say that doing the entire test, with the with fake tokens and everything.

I

No, it's it's going to be like weeks.

L

What do you mean.

A

Weeks yeah, can we just create a window in which we will do the test and tell everyone do it now, or else we are already.

I

I mean this kind of estimation, doesn't work.

G

I

Not about estimation.

G

It's just more like we only do the test for 48 hours. You know yeah yeah,.

A

This is my sense of humor. Sorry, not intimidation,.

I

The point is, what are we exactly trying to to test with the community.

G

I

It's not it's not just with.

G

The community I mean it's also with us right like we- can make sure that the permissions are correct. We can try to buy. We can try to. You know, make some proposals uh use downloading to change entry tributes.

G

You know we can try to do things that we would want to try to do and see if they work.

I

G

All of them programmatically.

G

But will we come up with all of these tests on our own? You know like that. The the nice thing about opening it up to you know the 30 40 people that are really engaged, and you know think this is theirs.

A

G

Test and try the things that they want to do, and maybe it's something that they should be able to do, but they can't and we didn't think to test for it. It's about the unknown unknowns. You know.

I

Yeah, uh but it's it's not like um it's an open. It's not an open universe. It's uh what you can do now. It's it's not going to be that different.

I

So with an enough testing, it's it's going to be okay, and still we can it's it's open to the community to the community. um There is no front end by the way for uh changing the support or uh any kind of any.

A

I

Like this yeah, we can do that.

C

I

Product I mean them, but it's not something that is available in the front end.

G

Yeah, that will be.

I

I thought I I really want to do this with the with the.

L

I

Creating new words changing things and see if everything is working, this.

A

Is why I want to.

I

Do them programmatically, because it's the the way we can.

A

Yeah, maybe here's, maybe the delta, between what you two are talking about. um So user testing is a great way to find, like just random random stuff, that we could not predict as developers that might break things, um but most user testing I've seen still winds up following a script very similar to the unit testing. That sam is talking about so like.

A

um Maybe we write down the cases that we want, maybe maybe I can I'll do this. This will be a good thing for me to do, although I'll need some help putting it together, because I don't fully understand the entire flow. But if I can get some help, I can put together a test case list of what the user experience path end to end should be, and on that list I can make two columns. One will be like unit test coverage uh second test.

A

The second column will be like front end, slash user test coverage right um and then having that like test case script will help both guide uh requirements for for what unit tests. We want to write out as well as help our community with testing efficiently and quickly, and then we can just maybe have like three to five different people run through those user test cases and just report back anything that they find that's out of the ordinary in that path.

I

I think that these these cases are very good to start with, um and we can open this test these cases for the community to to say, okay, what happens when uh I do something or something else or.

A

I

And and we can write tests for them.

A

Yeah, this is how this is how we approach like we're, trying to test the hulu apps on a bunch of different devices like mobile and living room devices like we would write test cases out like this. So I think I think this will help us get some more confidence around our test battery as we move toward deploy.

I

And what pablo was saying about using a front end that is connecting to your fork?

I

I think that it's a good idea.

C

K

C

Best idea of all actually.

I

K

You want to have it's not going to be for everyone.

I

I

You will need to have a fork of the blockchain in your computer in your computer and and set up the.

I

I don't know how it's going to work, maybe metamask can make it uh can connect with the.

K

C

I was thinking about taking a look at the scaffolding, how they do it, because you can like test your local blockchain using a front end. So maybe we could get some inspiration from that.

B

Where what frontier do you want to test.

A

Is there any way we can have one test chain that people can connect to that's remote instead of having to have make people pull it locally?.

L

We can have a container with.

H