Token Engineering Commons Community Stewards, 25 May 2022

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A

I'm very distracted with my drive license. I have my exam tomorrow. uh I feel I'm going to pass- I I hope not jinx it but yeah. I like I've, been driving yesterday and today a lot and yeah, I feel ready. I don't know but yeah. I kind of distracted on that uh and yeah. I'm so so happy that juan danny and sam are here and you know, having fun moments together.

B

Yeah but um yeah, I am also very excited um for being on the finalists of the commons prize and also that today, after this call starts the graviton training. So um all of you are all, as always, invited um there are some last minutes like drawbacks. We are having problems with the pops and stuff like that, but anything can stop us, and I am happy that things are flowing, because um I I think I get.

B

I I like better when things are moving than when we are like pushing for them to move, and I feel that we are getting into that pace and yeah I'll pass through grief.

C

Temperature check is that correct, uh I would say we're doing pretty well, I I really was impressed with how many people voted on the um how much I think we had 22 percent of people voting in the in the like. What do you call that the goldilocks tributes adjustment which is the highest yet so that's really nice to have that movement I'll also, uh of course, sampo and uh I just every working group seems to be pushing a little bit harder in this last week than it has been.

C

So that's that's really nice to see and yeah, and I think the commons prize is kind of cool. You know it's like to see 36 groups competing to have what we have you know is like really. um I don't know it's it's like ah yeah. Well, I guess they're all trying to get this and we already have it like. It feels really good.

C

I I'll pass it to tam to pass it as you can see.

D

How about olivia, how about olivia.

E

Yeah thanks, um I was thinking today we had this call about the the praise uh tim mitch and rachel, and I and I was thinking about how many people have been working on things that are just manifesting now like how much work did sunti and mateo put in the reward system back in the day and then now a lot of those things are consolidating into a process that we can give names to and and it just passed a movie of like how many people have just been contributing and and how the efforts are never really dropped.

E

There's always someone that picks them up after and continues building on things. So I was just yeah. I had a moment of like feeling very grateful for everyone that we interacted so far in in the tc, which has been a lot of people, and I think building this web. So strong as we have is like an effort of all of us, and it's really beautiful and I'll pass to chewie temperature check.

F

Thank you. um It's like it's like survival mode. I mean not not that not that, like the tc or the community is like under any like thread, but it's just like this huge. Like reality check with like oh, we gotta find new ways for um getting more revenue or just like, be better at what we already have like pushed ourselves uh so far. So um it's it's motivating to see like the strength of of the community at moments like this but yeah. I feel like it.

F

It's just weird, because it's like this, like uh nervousness or like this elephant in the room uh and and yeah. I think this is bringing like some uh interesting perspective at like temperature itself, because uh every time we've been like a warm uh or or hot, it's been for really cool reasons and excitement that we can share. But right now I feel that it's we're getting to that point where uh we just uh we're gonna be like uh tested in in many ways.

F

So so yeah, that's uh what I can add and I'll pass it to griff.

F

Okay, I'll pass it to gideon.

G

Thanks jerry, uh I I still don't know how this whole temperature thing goes. um I'm I'm still figuring that out hot is good hot's, good. Okay, I feel hot I feel like uh I feel, like things are well in sampo world things are like moving very fast right now and which is great and um and also it just feels like. There's like something really exciting building like the I I feel like this.

H

Is gonna be a hard.

G

Six months, I I do, um but I do feel like on the other side, there's something that's really cool like we're being tested um and we're gonna come out of this and it's in in all this stuff. Like the thing you just said, livia is like um it just keeps it's it's building it's building and there's like this next wave, that's coming that I'm really excited about. So I'm I'm very bullish and very excited right now.

G

um I will pass to.

I

Edu thank you get in uh check. It's it's slow! It's a slow week, um it's a weird weather here in barcelona, um it's gray and we are supposedly to be in sunny uh sunny times, but it's not so it's you know, I'm a weather person, so it affects me a little bit sometimes um so.

I

um But besides that, it's nice um yeah, I think it's nice. I love your t-shirt by the way libby. So with that being said, um I will pass it on to my money.

J

Thanks, um I don't have any insights, I don't know, I think bear is left I'll pass it to bear.

K

Yeah, thank you manu yeah, also, not much to say. I think I would. I will say that I share the the feeling that gideon has. I think it's really exciting times, um because there are like many things coming up and maybe maybe many challenges coming up as well, but it's just exciting to be here and to be able to to face them and find solutions to to them. So so yeah, it's it's all good I'll. Just pass it back to to town.

L

And I think I'm actually the last one to go so I'll, say. um Overall, you know things keep moving forward. Some things are moving very fast. Some things are moving slower or sort of you know. Taking pauses uh tec labs is going to go on a hiatus starting now, so there's going to be a time to like re-re-imagine what labs can be and come up with a different format. So it's like some things are still going fast.

L

Some things are going slow but, like I think everything is finding its equilibrium uh in the tc, so overall, uh pretty positive, um yeah and and looking forward to the next few weeks and months.

L

So chewie asked to uh do advice process on the twitter bio, I'm passing to chewie to uh to share oh lauren. Do you want to do a quick temperature check before we uh kick off the agenda?.

M

Oh sure I was listening through griff's laptop, I was like. I was just doing the call okay um uh yeah temperature check. I I'm excited, uh I'm excited that the gravity training is starting soon. um This is like tangential to the tc, but the common surprise was super exciting this past week, and that was like making me feel really warm to look at all the awesome like commons that are up there and uh kind of like.

M

I was thinking a lot about the tec and it's like us being kind of like the first common stack project and then like which one is going to come next and like kind of like how is it going to like continue to build up that infrastructure and, I think, take a lot of what we're working on the tc um and I'm super excited that there's going to be a new twitter bio. I've been working on one for giveth as well.

M

So I'd like love to check that out, I think the twitter specialist is has been providing a lot of awesome advice. So anyway, I'm feeling warm and um yeah. I'm good I'll pass back to you too.

L

All right and then chewie does uh want some advice process. All yours tree.

F

Yes, sam, uh thank you so, uh as lauren was mentioning, uh we've been getting uh really exciting, uh just tips and and and insight into uh our twitter and how to reapproach uh some of the stuff. So uh I feel that right now that we have this uh urge to uh uh kind of like uh approach the mintyc campaign, but this time in a much more like serious way like we really got to be successful with this campaign.

F

uh So uh I feel that uh some of the inside the inside that came up uh during this uh uh twitter, like session with with stefan, uh was uh just like to to create some kind of like uh order that can be followed. So uh givethis is working on something similar.

F

He actually like showed me some uh examples, so uh I I feel that a great first approach would be to uh change uh our bio and kind of like uh throw some like key points like what do we do and why like do you want to follow us uh in in a much more like uh precise way, so um I'm gonna be like reading uh uh an option that uh that we had uh and.

L

Also, some can you share it. uh It's sometimes easier to.

F

Read than here.

L

F

I'm gonna be sharing the uh the comms uh agenda because uh we just like worked on it in the last call, but yeah so far like this is what we came up with like we are radically inclusive commons that funds projects uh to advance token engineering uh tec allows you to vote uh for funding decisions in gardensdale, uh hashtag mint easy.

F

uh So some of the stuff that we still need to add is some kind of uh social proof uh like an idea of the projects that we have uh funded, uh maybe could be, uh uh could be something good uh and why to follow, which I feel that partially is like covered by this like first uh sentence, because it's even though it sounds like something technical uh we like to have uh everyone be part of it uh and what I feel nervous about and what I feel that really needs more uh advice.

F

Is this part like funding? I feel that it's like a very uh thin line between you know like suggesting that yeah like buying tc, or that some kind of like yeah, just like funding, is involved. So um I don't know I I I would like to make like a round of of just opinions on on this and thoughts about like how can we uh improve uh this bio idea? So I don't want. I don't know if someone wants to take it first.

L

Can I just hop in to see if we can do it? Maybe in um we can we can definitely go around and give opinions, but I think if we drop it somewhere and let people write alternative suggestions, because my initial feeling is, I think, we're more than funding token engineering projects. I think, like the shilling point for token engineering like, I think we can use some of the words that we used in our in our mission, um but but I rather than everyone.

L

I think it could be more useful if we have a place where people can actually make suggestions in a document itself versus you know going around and just everyone's saying something very snappy rather than spending time and thinking about it and writing something. Do you think we could have some kind of document like tc, twitter, bio and then you have the original one, and people can make alternative suggestions to it.

F

uh Yeah, absolutely I'm gonna start the document and uh add the link to the stewards agenda and also sharing.

L

F

In the channel.

L

Cool but I'll just maybe we open the floor if anyone has any immediate reaction that they want to share with chewie and rather than and edit a document, please feel free to hop in.

I

Yeah um we had this conversation yesterday with gideon actually uh regarding this catchphrase that we we tend to use and the thing about shelling point and toke engineering and just condensed condensing everything on that phrase is the fact that, if I don't know what a shelling point is- and if I don't know what attorney engineering is that you got, you completely lost me, so I feel um there should be a more universal approach to to this bio.

I

Since it's twitter, it's not a it's, not as it's not as a speech in a in a web 3 conference that is very specialized. We're talking about twitter and we're talking about you know, inclusiveness and openness, and for me, if we want to be radically open and inclusive, it also should start with the way we describe ourselves and so yeah. That's it.

A

I want to add something to I I think, like this social proof, it's awesome like uh I think it's an awesome idea and something that I'm missing personally is like this vibe. We had before, like our economy of choice like I know like it's, not this chapter anymore, but I feel like we still having like our economy and we can still change like we're, changing the tributes every two weeks and that stuff- and I don't know I'm feeling like I'm missing the vibe of our economic choice.

A

I don't know if that could be added there, but I think that's super cool.

M

Yeah, I think um I I think saying like saying something about funding is kind of okay, especially since we say it like a lot within our twitter um and like within the giver twitter as well. I don't think there's anything wrong with the concept of like funding public goods and then like at the tc. It's like we're funding token engineering public goods using like tokenomics systems like the bonding curve.

M

So I think, like um I totally also agree with edu a lot in um like trying to make it like really uh approachable um and inclusive to everybody who could look at it and I think, like highlighting different pieces from like our diverse, like our whole, diverse org, like including things like I mean like conflict management resolution like the cultural build and like the augmented, bonding curve like something about tokenomics and like something about public goods and like coming up with just like what I'm doing with the one forgiveth.

M

Is I'm using like vertical lines and saying things like peer-to-peer peer-to-peer, fundraising, no intermediary zero fees, donor rewards and just kind of like hitting like the key points and then with like a cta kind of call to action like follow for blah blah. I'm still working on it.

M

But I think, like this kind of idea, is really really good and if we kind of like kept with these short bits and kind of just like conflict management like inclusive community collaborative economics and like hit a lot of those points, and it could be really um yeah really impactful.

L

Okay, any other thoughts before we move to the next subject.

H

I would always just remind you guys that we're not just doing conflict management, we're also focusing on creating trust.

L

Thanks durkinvest, that's nice! Welcome to us uh mitch and um craig.

L

Okay, um okay, cool and chewy. When you have the document you could just drop it in here.

F

Yes, yes, uh and thanks everybody.

L

And thanks for bringing that to the agenda uh so gardens or tau dao any proposals we need to discuss.

L

We still have the stewards um proposal which may or may not pass we'll see, um let's see where we are so 10 10 up to 10 percent.

L

Okay, that'll come back when we talk about the stewards working group, a little bit actually uh any other proposals that we need to discuss anything else. That's in here um the com, teams, 3.3 and a half percent retroactive funding for tec and update the fees.

L

I guess this one's passed right.

C

Yeah that one will pass for sure uh the team proposal. You know it just needs five more days but stu, I think stewards would. If you want to try to pass stewards faster. It would actually be beneficial to put tokens on team pass that faster and then those tokens can move over to stuart's the flocking. So.

L

Okay, so you're suggesting we, um people move off of stewards fund, cons teams and then once that passes, move back to stewards.

C

Yeah I mean it it's going to pass in five days. If a bunch of people moved over, it would probably pass in a day and then all those tokens that are sitting on there could move to stewards, and this is the flocking technique and it's a faster way to pass like the cool thing about conviction voting. Is it actually it's advantageous for us as a community to be in congruence, it's kind of a cool design in that way, and everything slows down. If you spread your if everyone spreads their votes across many proposals,.

N

You'll have to consider that the last proposal will be hardest to pass since it, the common pool will have the least amount of funds.

C

Yeah but the the stewards proposal isn't set to pass yet so it yeah.

N

The team probably.

C

Will be harder.

N

To pass than before, because there will be 8, 000 x die less in the common pool marginally, but it but.

C

Yeah it it will be harder to pass, but either we wait five days and then there's eight thousand less or we wait one day, yeah that was eight thousand less yep you're right.

E

You're, muted tim.

L

Thanks um so then, we'll move on to the next topic, which is a spotlight for the community, call tomorrow, no thursday.

L

Any suggestions.

E

If there's no one, I can talk to the folks I mentioned last week- forgot their name now right, active block reference.

L

L

L

And gideon also writer's guild.

L

I don't know if that's something that you'd like to do gideon propose, I mean uh spotlight the writers guild.

G

um Thanks tim, I think that we need just like an another couple weeks to do that. There's still some stuff we're sorting out right now.

D

L

um Okay, did amber, didn't, didn't, didn't do it last week right, oh, he did okay, okay, so then, okay, maybe it's worth seeing, uh I mean otherwise. We could just also not have a spotlight this week.

L

Okay um and I'm gonna pass the floor to gideon who wants to share uh some things with about sampo.

G

Next time, um actually this is going to be really quick, because we did some of this last week. So um this is the um the document um that I was basically summarizing in the call last thursday. So um what I'm trying to do is um kind of basically the next stage in the advice process and what I wanted to do was get your advice on the advice process, so meta advice.

G

um I would love to because this is this document kind of forms, the basis for some of the basic strategy that we're um advocating in sampo about how we're going to think about money and investing money over the long haul.

G

So I think it's important that that this document gets some more eyes on it and we've already gotten some some good feedback from within sampo. We've got some from other folks too. So that's great. um What I um am doing in the bottom of this document um I'll, send it out I'll, put a link um again in the stewart's channel, but um what I've added at the bottom is a link to that same polling service.

G

The polis um sentiment uh analysis that we did last week and I'm trying something just a little bit new, which is basically kind of. I broke out all of the key arguments that are in that document into like 23 statements, um and so it's like. Basically, once you read the document, you can then click on that link, and it will just ask you, you know it'll just say like these are the key points and you say, agree, disagree or pass right. So this.

H

G

For people to they can either comment in the document or and or go to the bottom and then just kind of just essentially vote on the kind of the key ideas that are in the document, and I think this will. This will give us a nice way to get some pretty broad um advice on this direction um without taking a whole bunch of time, and in fact, actually people could probably just skip to the bottom.

G

If you don't have time to read the document, because it is, you know it's it's like eight nine pages um you can just read the you can just read the poll and it basically kind of like summarizes, although it takes it out of order. So it's not it's. The order of the of the statements is kind of random, but it it should still work so anyway. What what I'm um asking is?

G

One, if you all, if you haven't, read the document, if you can, if you can go to it and and read it and provide comments um if comments, if you can, but if you can't, then please just take the poll at the bottom, and the second thing that I would ask is what you all think about um uh sharing this with within the channels uh of the working groups on discord right in order to kind of fan it out and get some broader feedback.

G

Broader advice. um Have we ever done anything like that and if not or if we have or if not, is there any issues that would come up with doing something like that, sending it out for broader feedback, so I'll be quiet for a second just turn it over to you all and see. If you have thoughts.

A

Yeah, I think you could share it on the you know, right after before the community call and then on the sample. You say: oh look at this in the discord channel or general chat, instagram whatever and so, and you actually are capturing the attention of some people and then also like people who's reading the chats. So you make sure like having more engagement, but I think that's cool, like you know, we need feedback from everyone, not just the stores.

E

I think also that exercise of understanding who has expertise and who is going to be impacted by what you're proposing.

E

I think we could practice more of that and maybe tag the people like um go reach out specifically to the people and even talk about it openly like oh. I think these people have expertise in what I'm proposing and I think those people are going to be affected by it and maybe in this case is the whole community. So so then it's interesting to post on the forum for advice process and then you can tag the people there.

G

So do you think on the forum? Would it be just like a short summary of it with a link to the document and a link to the poll or put the whole thing? I think it might be tough to put the whole thing in the forum.

E

Put the whole thing in the forum: it's better than opening a forum that has a link that leads to something else.

E

There is a section called advice process in the forum that you can put there.

G

Okay, all right, I may follow up with you afterwards, just on that um any other other thoughts. What about the thoughts of I mean? Would people be willing, and is it even useful to have you know like a steward, who is in charge of a working group to put a link? Have you put a link in your channel um asking people to have a read? I don't know if that's that's appropriate.

L

I I mean I'll give my two cents here. I don't see any problem with you, even sort of like all over the discord, server, general and every channel and transparency and soft government being like hey. If you have some time enter this poll and I feel like it would get done faster if, like one person did it everywhere than if we tried to coordinate 10 people doing it in 10 places just like.

L

And I I think it's a perfectly good yeah. I think I think it's it. It would work and would get some more feedback provided.

G

That's good practical, very practical advice. Okay, um all right! That's all! I have thanks everybody.

L

Cool okay and then we'll go uh so I'm gonna give an update now on some things in the students working group. uh So first the proposal like I'm worried it's not gonna pass, um and so I reached out to uh the laser tag. uh Multisig and I got some feedback from um one of the one of the multisig holders, which was essentially like there's too many stewards. I can't support this because there's two: why do we need so many stewards? And I thought okay?

L

Well, let's pause a minute and like, let me think about why we're using these stores and what why we have 15 stewards- and you know I sort of came back to this place where I was thinking um that you know we sort of whittled down this idea like active and present servant leader in the know and it you know it seemed as if um you know I don't know how to say this.

L

It's like there's there's this idea of, like I'm gonna use these words that that uh and spiral used when they were working with us once like energizing a role. So there are moments where somebody's really energizing the role of steward, and then there are times where they don't.

L

So I wanted to hear feedback from the rest of the stewards as well about um does it seem like 15 stewards is too much too little the right amount, and um how do we think about stewards that aren't very active in their role anymore and make it graceful to sort of come in and out of the role rather than it sort of being a title or a label that uh that's held on to so um so that's I'm bringing this to the stewards working group, because it's something that I've been thinking about um and I'd love to hear some advice process on it too.

L

So I think I'll pass to you livia to get us started and maybe like a minute minutes.

E

um And that's a hard question yeah. I.

E

Well, in a very practical sense, I agree with that statement.

E

I think probably we have a very big structure for like a very big operational structure for not having so much a financial structure that can support like the size of our operations.

E

Nonetheless, I think all of the things that are happening in the tc are very important, but how can we maybe create other routes for for funding of certain things? Maybe I don't know I'm thinking of this for the first time. So maybe I need more time to like frame my thoughts, but I've.

N

Had sorry, I've had many thoughts about this.

E

Okay, go ahead.

N

Thanks, sorry, I'm just putting in line um yeah. I saw paul's post and I was like yes, um we could probably do it with like half as many stewards to be honest and I've been super hesitant every time.

N

I think we suffer from a lot of administrative bloat to be frank, and we have a lot of running costs and not very much revenue and not very many products or you know or services. um I would like to see the funds being spent on stewards going towards making a reward system more lucrative, which might solve some of the problems.

N

So how do we incentivize people to continue contributing, maybe something similar to like what a steward already does um without having to like give them the stipend? So I mean people can just like come in and out of this sort of like contributor role and get something more fair, that's being sent to them via a functioning reward system.

N

Instead of having to create this, like fixed container, that you have to like commit to for a certain amount of time and like whether you're present or less present, like you're, still getting a fixed amount, which I think is um causing some problems, because it's not really clear the onboarding and the off-boarding.

N

It's clear, but it's like in practice, it's hard um I'll pass it to.

E

Okay, I had a minute, so I I have like something you send made me um brought something to my mind. So I was talking to idiom yesterday and he had a thought of like how could we have a reward system just for sample, for example? So we could track all of the contributions that are happening in this working group and reward people accordingly, without having that being diluted in the perception of the whole community, then I thought that without like any technical overhead, we could already do something like that.

E

Just by praising everything that happens within a working group in its own chat.

E

So we could filter out like in the end of a month, let's say or of a sprint what were all the contributions that were happening in each working group and be able to evaluate the work from that scope and see if we need to reward more or less than what the reward system is rewarding like it would give us kind of an internal feedback loop and what is the value that all the quantifiers are giving versus the value that the working group that's working specifically on a stream?

E

Is seeing and then we would be able to see the value overlaps like how much someone is getting from the reward system? How much someone is getting from a bounty roll from the steward compensation and consolidate like every person more on something like you're talking about, like contributors being more fluid, rather than a solid role.

E

Yeah pass to you gideon.

G

Thanks levi yeah, I I'm I'm really excited about this idea, because one of the things that's happening in sampo is we got all of these. People who are volunteering right, like they're excited to volunteer like they've, got energy and they're like okay? Let's do it and then we've kind of got into these some of these conversations like well now. How much should we pay you and then all of a sudden? It's like you know it's like the intrinsic reward, just kind of tanks, and so, um but I think it's fair to pay them right.

G

So um so I I was just thinking it's like well what so we're pulling together a budget for sample and I'm trying to make this super lean, and so we're only going to have like you know three people and they're going to be part I'll, be the one with the most time, but the rest of people will be part time.

G

It's going to be very bounty focused, but I also wanted to like have some way of like um allowing people to come in and contribute, and then- and this is this is what libby is talking about. It's like. um Do almost like a retroactive public goods funding, you know it's like you did a great job this you know at the end of the month, um you know, we've we've been using praise and like living. I love this idea of like doing it in the channel.

G

um Just use the existing prey system and then top it off like at the end of the month, be able to kind of go back and say. Okay. This is what praise allocated um to these people who are in sampo, and we have an additional 500 die or whatever it is, and we're going to top it off and make the funds a little bit more right to come to basically boost boost praise.

G

So that's one thing: I guess the other thing that I'm thinking a little bit about just in terms of participation in sampo is- and this relates to the stewardship thing like I feel, like part of the feedback that we got in the laser tag.

G

If I understood it correctly was the stewards- it's um it's not it's it's there may be too many stewards, but also the way that we're um spreading them is feels a little bit. Weird because it's they're kind of all concentrated in stewards rather than uh having all of the funding allocated into specific budgets.

G

So if and and I realize that there is funding for a steward, that is in a budget, um but the perception that I think was coming across in this comment. Was it's hard to it's hard to know right, it's hard to know where all that money is going, and so the one of the things that I'm experimenting with potentially in sampo is the idea that there's like a a coordinating steward so in sample. That would be me and then I really like the idea of actually having almost like governing stewards.

G

Who are you know, like I'm? I view in this case uh livia and griff and tam as being kind of like the advisory stewards in sampo, um and there are other people who I'm going to turn to like zeptimus, has been helping me a ton on transparency stuff. So um I guess what I'm looking for is. Are there some ways that we can maybe tweak this model to move more of the steward funding and accountability into the working groups and then have some? That's just a smaller set, that's actually in stewards.

G

That's really focused more on just overall governance, okay I'll pass. Who does anybody have any thoughts to that would like to go next.

I

I can take it um yeah, I I do agree with the fact that we have uh too many stewards um first. Secondly, I also believe that the figure of the working coordination lead it's something that needs to be rethinked or with thought or. However, that verb is because I feel that they're working coordinationally, it's a figure that only works in certain working groups and for the rest of them. I don't. I don't see them quite often what I don't see.

I

Well, I don't see it, but maybe that's because of my um my lack of vision about that role, uh but I do perceive that maybe there is a little bit too much um of both both both of stewards and both of working coordination leads, um and I think that um yeah, I think, that's not. There is no um denial of the context. We have and it's a clear opportunity to reorganize ourselves better in a smarter way that sort of it's more accomplishable or accomplish things in a in a smarter way.

I

I believe- and I like this idea, that gideon mentioned about having this kind of um a division within the store like a advisory um steward or you know, a functional steward or a vitalist steward, and I don't know you know there is this idea that it seems quite nice from, and I think it's a natural evolution for the role of the stewards. I think we have been fixed with this role for a while and it's it will be nice to evolve it to something whatever it is. uh Maybe it is less towards.

I

Maybe it's just changing the name to something else or maybe having more kind of stewards. I don't know um with that being said, I will pass it on to griff. Do you want to say something.

C

Not too much, I would just say like I think it makes sense to have stronger off-boarding and on-boarding practices in the stewards group and maybe make a cap makes sense, create a budget I'll pass it to back to tam, I don't know, are we actually passing it around.

D

Oh you're meeting yourself.

L

uh Yeah, if anyone wants to share their thoughts, so we could pass but yeah I'd love to hear from anyone who wants to so maybe the past to chewie, because I know he has to leave early.

F

uh Thank you tom, um in a very like realistic way. I feel similarly like some things need to be revised, uh but I also think that, like eventually, if, if we are aiming to scale as a community and the community will grow like, we should have like some options that allow us to uh adapt to to proper, like scaling without centralizing uh stewardship.

F

So so yes, it was just something that I wanted to bring up, because uh nobody had mentioned it before uh yeah I'll pass it back to whoever wants to take it or utep.

L

uh Maybe zeppelin wonka you guys wanna, share thoughts.

A

I gotta make it uh yeah something that resonated a lot with me that I hear from drex this last transparency call, and it was something like uh you know in the last audit, like it was transparency like gathering all the data for every working urban with working on trying to understand the size, the data, so that means having bureaucracy on the working groups. uh But you know at this same trade, like you know, like the transverse working group, reaching uh going everything.

A

It's not scalable at some point like uh because what happens? If we have, you know 500 working groups like it's, you know uh at some point. It does not scale and I feel like. I really regret what she was saying about, not centralizing so much the scholarship and I think, like another good solution would be.

A

You know like let the coordination be on every working group like uh working groups that need to coordinate, they were going to add their budgets and then it will be up to the community to decide like uh what needs to be coordinated and what not. So much and yeah make like things more clear for the token holders I'll pass it to one.

B

um Something that I was thinking was to have like um limits of of um like um how many hours can you work or how many bounties can you claim, because this can also be gamified and and um if we have more clarity around that, maybe we can have a better like the same amount of expense but um distributed with within more people and yeah. I I also heard that even in the ethereum foundation, they have like a max amount of hours that they can claim for per month.

B

So it would be also interesting to have like okay, um it's not that you can claim 100 200 hours in one month, um but that there can be like um limits to to distribute the workload.

L

Thing thanks wonka we're talking specifically about the number of stewards there being 15 stewards. I wonder if you have any thoughts on that. um Is it too many too few? Not enough just right.

B

I think it's it's just right. I think we have the right people. Maybe if we, if, if we agree on making a collective effort, it would be something to like. Okay, let's reduce something to keep the same amount of people instead of saying: okay, we will have the same rates but lowering the amount of people. I think that the people is the most important resource.

L

You want to pass it otherwise I'll pass. It.

M

Oh sure I mean I can go, I can go quickly. I I don't have a really a lot more to add to this. I I kind of do think we have too many stewards. Sometimes I think like am I really a useful steward? I ask griff all the time like am I useful steward?

M

I feel like I'm, not the most useful steward and, like I feel like we could like thin the list down a little bit more or have like more kind of like clear rules and likes like with like working group, leads or like these stewards.

M

Do these like have specific tasks in each working group, but I also think it is really like a nice dynamic and a nice group of people that we have who bring like a really like broad, broad insight into things like there's some people who have like more insight into one aspect of the space and other aspect of the space, and I think, like that, really adds a lot of value to like our group as a whole.

M

um Yeah, I don't know, I don't have it like a like a yes, this or no this, but I also sometimes wonder the same things and I think it can be argued both ways I'll pass it to mario.

L

Okay, um what about um uh bear.

K

Thank you tom, uh so yeah. I don't think I have much to say. uh I think everything has been has been said. Maybe I feel that there is some lack of clarity in regards to roles like sometimes, for example, I get confused between the difference of stewards and I'm working group coordinator or leads you know, unlike if you say there are like 15 stuarts.

K

I don't know how many people is in total, like counting stewards and working like coordinating leads. So maybe that's kind of like a question and- and I I think it would be interesting- maybe to yeah, define better like different roles that could exist, maybe different types of stewards, or maybe you change the name or whatever, but like having more roles and defining defining them in a better way. I think that good that could help, but I yeah I pass it back to you, tom or craig yeah yeah,.

L

And just if you wanna uh in the um manifesto, uh the stewards and the roles and working group coordination lead is up to date. If you are curious and you wanted to see uh who is like who's doing what role um and then maybe uh yeah, I don't know, if you have anything, you want to add hi tim.

O

um Not much I've been listening, though, to the conversation and it's a good one. I'd say.

O

uh You know financially, it seems like is, is the question really the number of stewards or the amount of money? That's going to the stewards working group? That's more of a a pinch perhaps, and so it seems to make sense like gideon said, maybe to shift more of the financial compensation into the working group kind of coordinator, and then the stewards could take a big old pay cut.

O

But be you know continuing the work they do but compensated through a different um stream that might help lessen the confusion. Get that better. But that's all thanks, nice to see you all.

L

Yeah nice to see you too craig and thanks. Okay, I think I'm the last one to go then um and I'd say yeah. It's very helpful. All this different perspective, um I guess the things that really jumped out to me is this idea of different functions for stewards. Maybe I don't know something around that um some stewards may be compensated and some stewards, maybe wouldn't be compensated.

L

Maybe they're, maybe there's a kind of like active and present, but doing things daily in the tec steward versus like bringing perspective in terms of like advice like advisory with stewart. I don't know how else to describe that. That might not be a role. That's compensated, commiserate with the more active and present and engaged in the tec. So that is super interesting and then the idea of um having a allocate you know, sort of coordinate but idea right.

L

Really it's like there would be a budget for stewards and then the praise in the stewards channel would determine what the uh budget ended up being or how the distribution ended up being. I think that there's some downsides to that, especially specifically around um you know the idea of the the cut. The stewards aren't compensated by the stewards working group. The stewards have 500 die a month a month, four weeks, sometimes more. So it's not it's not considered compensation.

L

It's really the working groups that would compensate the the stewards for the work that they're doing in the working group. It's really like a kind of ubi for the stewardship, so the advice and the participation in these events and the scrum events and the coordination events um and those things rather than real compensation for the stewards. So there's just some thoughts to think about, and I also think that um perhaps um you know, stewards who don't feel that they are so active can self off board, and maybe we can nominate some stewards for offboarding.

L

That might um you know energize this role less at the moment, um and I I think that there should be maybe a pathway to like come back into stewardship, but I think that there are some stewards who are not super active anymore and after a few months it becomes more obvious.

L

Anything anybody else wants to say about this topic before we move on to the next topic.

N

Yeah, just to that point like having that off-boarding there and I mean instead of this like limbo, between going in and out, like leaning on a reward system like maybe you're, not a steward but you're, creating value and then making that a little bit more lucrative to participate rather than like a fixed type. In.

L

So lean, I I'm with you on leaning more on the reward system. I I do agree to that. I think that's a great idea and maybe there's some sort of combination. I mean yeah.

N

Thank you. I don't.

L

Think we're there again.

N

If you took out five stewards, that's 2500 worth of funding, you could put into the reward system, you know and then, if they're creating value they it's like, it can just be all captured there. Instead of like this, this stipend that you know.

L

And you are we talking about like the reward system writ large or like a praise just for stewards.

N

L

Yeah, there's something there's some combination of all of these actually they're um yeah. Thank you for adding that anything else. Anybody else wants to add.

A

I feel the praise is not ready, like the distributions, still wonky, to my point of view, like nothing against nagin, but was he the guy who most contributed in the last month that we analyzed, I'm not sure, like probably would be great? For I don't know same, I don't know yeah, but for me it's still wonky.

L

Yeah, I I would say it hasn't reached its full maturity too, which is why I it's a I'm, I'm a little hesitant to like praise writ large for stewart's contributions, but the idea of like some budget, allocating to praise for stewards like this sampo idea, I think is- is really compelling, um but I I think eventually the rewards system will reach its full maturity and then we could move in that direction faster than right like immediately this month. You know.

L

Okay, is there anything else anyone would like to add to this subject before we change subjects.

L

Okay, all right a lot to think about, um and if the working group proposal doesn't pass well, we'll have to take another crack at it with uh with with some of these novel ideas, um so um working group coordination lead, so uh the summer is coming up. I know a lot of people will be have some different availability over the next few months. I think that uh especially july will be a really um a tough month where a lot of us are we'll be traveling or in conferences.

L

Maybe august, for some of us, too um manu is going to uh take some personal time for the month of june, so won't be doing the working group coordination lead for the month of june. um We're I'm not 100 sure what we do to cover, but I think it's a great opportunity for every steward to update their issues and prepare prepare the sprint board for their working group and get into those good habits, especially if we do end up changing the working group.

L

Coordination lead in the in the stewards manifesto and in the budget uh mamano. Would you like to share anything else.

J

No, you pretty much um got it got it covered. Okay, cool.

L

Okay um and uh one more thing labs, um so ygg just confirmed with me today that uh labs will be on hiatus um they.

L

He does still want to know if he can find some help, we're trying to figure out if he could get some help in labs um and then there's this possible collaboration with cad cad, which is sort of moving slowly, doesn't really have a champion to push it through, but um ideally it would be a nice idea for the tec to come up with some questions that we would like to model uh some. You know some tokenomics questions that we'd like to model about the tec and then have cad cad.

L

Do these modelings in the tec lab as an exercise, so that could be very cool. Just uh will happen eventually, rather than right away and that's it. So we have three minutes left. Is there anyone that I'd like to share update with their working group or anything else? um Today?

L

Before we end the video.

B

Training starting in three minutes, I will be moving. Thank you.

L

Okay, so gravity training starting three minutes. Anything else. Thank you, honka anything else. Anyone would like to add, share or update before we end the call.

C

Gene made a really interesting comment in the goldilocks tributes thread and uh there are a few few things there may be worth reading. But uh one thing of note is: we had a flippane, we had the tribute flippanene, so the exit tribute is now larger than the entry tribute.

A

At this point, we stopped doing those increasing exits and the lowering the entry or we like we stopped doing those or we could.

C

No, no we're going to keep doing it. It's just now. The entry tribute is is smaller than the exit tribute, so we'll we'll keep doing them until there's a better option for post.

A

But the goldilocks proposal was saying like it was for some. I do not recall the number exactly.

D

But it was like until a certain amount of time yeah it goes to 12 and two. So we.

C

Have like four more votes, I think, okay, three more four, more three, more.

A

Yeah, thank you.

L

Okay, cool, so the forum post is um yeah. He did make some really interesting points as well, uh and I don't think we have time to talk about it more, but do please read it thanks everyone for joining, see, y'all leaders.

L

Thank you, tom. Everyone.