Token Engineering Commons Parameters Working Group, 10 Feb 2021

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00:00 - Intencions and distractions
07:26 - Victor shows his work on the TEC Hatch Dashboard
13:10 - Jake shows the potential of the Library
18:26 - Board
45:24 - Closing

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A

Yeah hi, what's up.

B

I'm not much we're just about to we're just about to start see you right on time. uh Cool cool intentions and distractions are how we start a lot of calls. So uh my intentions for this call really just to hack on the tech prams with vitor, uh see it see what we gotta do to finish, the the hatch, um the hatch params design, I would say, and just get some updates, maybe go through the board as far as distractions.

B

I don't think I have any distractions other than my computer is acting really weird, really and uh yeah. So sometimes I get kicked off or something, but with that I'll pass to the vitor.

C

Okay, hey guys, my intentions are to show up a little bit of the work that you are doing and maybe align a few like more specific questions that I have uh like. Maybe talk to ruth about it then jake and maybe show to the people and see, have some feedbacks, and I don't have any distraction pass to that news.

D

Thank you victor. My intention for the goal is like keep learning from you guys and build my mind to to be prepared.

E

For both on the parents.

D

And no distractions: how fast do you worry.

A

My intention is to uh to learn about heritage problems and uh continue like uh keeping updated about uh the subject. Hopefully I'm I'm trying to learn as much as you can from tec, I'm trying to jump in programs that I think the cause that I think is interests me. The most my distraction is, I still have not eat. My food is next to me. So I'll have to excuse me a bit wow.

B

I'm in the same boat, man 100, but uh well vitor. Do you want to start off by uh showing off all your awesome work.

C

Sure uh let me try to share my screen. I was having issues with this today, so maybe just check if it's everything all right- okay, so basically uh what I'm doing is like we have that notebook from igg, and the idea is that we can like have people to play with it in a simpler way, so kind of having a website where people can just play with it without needing to install jupiter and this stuff. So I deployed this on heroku.

C

It's right. There.

B

Yeah once once you get the share screen working, you can also pass us the uh um link so that we can oh yeah well and while you're setting up jake, hey buddy uh intentions, distractions.

E

Yeah uh a major distraction: um I've been busy today uh my biggest distraction right now is orange juice. um Forgive me today.

F

Yes, major distraction, any.

C

E

Okay: okay, that's that's better uh intentions, we're gonna hammer this out and have a site for everybody to uh look at and uh we're working at it, and uh we got a lot more going on too um also gonna push the library maybe uh and we're gonna we're gonna go forward with all of this.

B

Okay, oh yeah, the library, okay, cool, um so vitor is gonna, show off some of the work he's done, but yeah. You know it is not popping up victor.

B

Do you guys see it?

B

B

What if you turn off your video like your face, video and uh try again.

B

A

Yeah sometimes this coat is running.

C

The whole day, I think.

C

Maybe some other person could try to to to share it. Maybe jake yeah I'm having issues with this like during the whole day too.

E

Yeah, that's fine um vitor go ahead and uh send me the link for hiroko and and.

A

I'll try and.

F

E

C

A

uh Victor peter, I will try to restart the discord. Sometimes it's funny. It should work, just restart the discord.

A

Let's log off yeah.

B

I I would, I would agree, give it one more shot: vitor, close discord and open back up again.

A

Just a classic plug in and.

A

C

Okay, you guys see not yet.

A

uh What kind of preservation you have? Maybe you can lower it.

F

A

F

F

Train lower resolution.

A

A

uh Have you updated your discord? Is the discord is updated because they had recent updates.

B

I mean it's: okay,.

B

If jake wants to uh share it, it's cool.

A

Happened to me.

E

Sometimes then ever can everybody see my screen. I just showed this. This is what we are trying to show. Can you see that.

A

Yeah, I can see that.

E

All right, great.

E

Okay, that's, okay! That's okay! So uh basically we're we're gonna direct everyone here! uh This is actually gonna, be a working site um and you're gonna come in here and you're gonna pick. What you can do like this is cool so, for instance, impact hours accumulation curve.

E

So you want to know what the impact hours.

B

And vitor made major changes to make the formatting way better and to keep like instead of having a sidebar. Well, I don't know vitor if you want to explain the big moves that we in the week.

C

Oh yeah, we had like a sidebar that you could go on and off, but it had like all the parameters and was not connected to the grab. So now it's more like like containerized, so we have a box for a few inputs and then graph inputs and then the graph, and then, if there's something you you guys think that's not like uh well displayed. Then if there's some size, that's weird, you can re resize it as well.

C

So- uh and I already like uh scaled up the server. So I think it's more responsive right now and I'm really try still trying to do some uh changes locally to to put it on. So there are a few things in there. That'll make much sense like total impact hours, so I have like changed this locally and I'm just trying to do some few adjustments to put this uh on.

C

So I think the the goal too is like trying to get it intuitive, but uh as well as try to make people think about it and get the right like good parameters, but like the the good point of this, is that ygg made that notebook and we can easily like pass everything in the notebook or any idea and or any graph easily to the website.

C

So this is the main idea, and I think that's it and like one possible idea that you can do later is like try to save every data in the in the database. So we can use it later, for some other, like uh researchers are like analysis and it's going to be really interesting, but I think that's it.

E

Yeah uh yeah, that's it uh basically, uh so you can actually take part in this uh we're making this thing. God damn guys this! This is some serious technical stuff. That's we're making really really easy and uh any participation is welcome and we got some cool things going on.

F

E

Know it isn't it's okay can.

F

You help me it's okay.

F

E

F

E

Gotta wait: okay,.

E

Sorry guys, uh uh fortunately uh thank you.

B

Yeah this is uh this: is super cool? What happens when it gets resized? Is it still kind of at the at the at the bottom? It was kind of uh before victoria was kind of like freaking out when you resize the window. Is that still happening.

C

uh That's a good point. It should be uh responsive, so I haven't tested that much, but we can fix it in case it doesn't get like as responsive as we want, because when you decrease it decreases, but when you go back I it's better now because it was using a react uh template now. uh It was using a bootstrap template and I was using a react. So it's more responsive now.

C

If you guys find any any issue on these and responsible just thank me, then I can fix it.

B

Okay, nice yeah, and we can make issues too. um Maybe uh maybe I could share screen and we can go over some of the issues.

B

Because I think uh I feel.

E

B

E

Before we do that, um that's fine, and that would be awesome because we definitely have issues and we need to actually understand everything going on. So we can go over all together, um but with that uh I do want to uh just uh with, uh because we have yeah. We have boeing and we have okay. We have some new people here. So let's actually.

E

You guys see this.

A

E

Yeah, okay, so this is this is our uh uh this is just an idea, but this is what we need to get at. So here's the point: we we have this whole cool ass website right. We have this thing in the front end. This this thing is the look at this look, how cool this is and you get to adjust it and you get to play with it and you get to adjust your parameters and you get to control everything going on well, we should be tracking this too.

E

We should be doing something about this, so let's make a library, let's do something where everybody can come and and and so when they come here and we're gonna have more here. This is just something for you to see what we're doing right now, um but we're gonna be able to we're gonna, be able to make this really really cool. So you can pick what you want and that's going to be awesome, but at the same time we should be collecting that data right.

E

I think so I think so. I think we should be collecting that data, because that's what python does, because it's amazing, that's amazing, so, like check rams, call for you. This is our agenda. Let's all use python yeah, let's, let's be the snake: let's do it.

E

Let's, let's, let's be this thing, you know what I'm saying because we are the this is what we are. We are the of so anyways.

E

The all of this is supposed to be on the front end and it's supposed to be really cool and it's going to be and there's going to be a lot more here for you to be involved in.

E

But on the back end- and I love django, so why not actually have instances where you're actually being you know where it's all being catalog, because that's what this is a catalog? Isn't that cool.

A

It is cool, yeah, cool stuff, I'm excited, I'm excited.

E

And we should be, we should be taking care of all of this. This is a giant giant thing like the ability of this, for you to just show up and vote is one thing, but the ability of this to be a token engineering product is even bigger and this it's here, it's real like we're doing it.

A

So far for the average person.

E

And it's cool so.

A

Yeah go ahead, yeah.

E

No, no, I mean uh you know this, isn't this isn't it? uh This is just an idea, but it's real and- and we can do this- you know like it isn't hard to make these things happen. So I'm not I'm not a dev, but I am a part of this. I did this so why not you? Why can't anyone? That's the whole point. We can create token engineers. We can create a space for token engineers. We can create everything that they need to actually be applied and have something worthwhile.

A

Yeah yeah, I yeah I'm behind you, children. I am behind you.

E

Yeah so uh go ahead. Griff you want you want to talk about it. I mean it's cool. uh This is running locally.

B

I mean, I think it's I think it's gonna be a critical piece for the long term, like uh maximizing the benefit of having this uh this tool right like we should be recording the data and see what people parameterize as and it's also a nice opportunity to you know let people have some bragging rights. You know be like oh yeah look. I I designed like 10 sets of parameters. Here's here's where you can find them all, here's a link.

B

You know I designed this one if you think that we're going to raise like over a million dollars. I set the parameters up this way and here's where you can go find that one. If you, if you think we're gonna raise like you know, only half a million dollars then like this is the parameter set that I think would be optimal.

B

You know you can you can organize your your data, so that's cool. It's cool.

A

Yeah, what I'm saying here is it's very simple: it's not very that difficult to set it up, which is something that's very positive. You don't need you don't have need you don't need much knowledge into how how everything worked out. You just need to click some few buttons and voila. You have it.

E

Yeah yeah, basically.

A

Why it's not? Why not not cool it's very cool! uh It's like a baby that need to grow up. Yes,.

B

It needs to grow up, and that's that's that's where I kind of want to go since with the rest of the time. If I can uh just like dive into the actual the issues that need to be solved, because I think we're good on the uh on the ui front, like at least for now, uh until we actually there's a lot of graphs that need to be removed.

B

There's just some different things that need to change, and I kind of would love to dive into the issues that are out and maybe even make more totally agree.

B

Okay, let's, uh let's dive into that, then.

C

Okay, so okay, there are ones that I'm working right now and there are more on like removing stuff so which is like linking I I did like it's at the beginning. It's like simplify stuff, so, basically removing stuff. I did so. I have just a few questions on a few few specific issues. I don't know if this is the space for it right, yeah, okay, so uh look at the issue. Number five, like min max target race only once.

C

uh This one like there are two places where we have the minimum maximum target race. That is basically on the hatch on the impact hours formula and it says, like we remove the double, but the idea is to have only one like only in one place and then we you changing one place. You like changing one slide. Every impact in the two graphs.

B

I think I I think the dream here, especially the way that you have it set up now, is that it's it's okay for them to be listed twice, but when you change one it should change the other, got it got it and, and they should be, um they should be absolute. So right now one. I think one of them is a ratio.

C

Okay, yeah, that was my question like both could be identical.

E

C

C

B

Okay and yeah I mean I, I think that it can be.

B

Well, min max target raise only once yeah. I think I I think it can be listed twice. I don't know, what do you guys think is there? Well, I I mean you would what do you think vitor? Do you think that it's better being listed twice.

C

Yeah, I think it's more intuitive, because the way it is right now is that you have like one one row of slide and then the variety to have the graph, and if you, if you need to change like, I have the hatch impact hours formula and if I need to go to the hatch so either to change the image on the impact hours. It's kind of weird. So maybe I think, having rights, not a problem, not a problem.

C

B

It, okay cool um any other issues. You want to check, you know, oh well, and also this one seems like we should assign to you.

C

Which one oh yeah, this one, this one uh I talked to showed him some issues too, so he said that he probably we're gonna work on this as well. So I think we will have extra power in this, but I have another doubt on the.

E

C

B

C

Basically, having kind of a summary of the results.

B

Yeah, so I I want to- I definitely want to dive into this, because uh there's really two use cases of this application. The first is to use the application to design which we have nailed, I think, but the second is to share the results and some of the results like for the designer. You know it's like it's: okay, for their toll gate fee to just be a slider right, but for the, but really we need to say we need to give the per people who are judging the results.

B

A standard template that they're judging the results against right. So um so this this is for yeah, so toll gate fee would be. It costs the wrapped x diet to make a proposal.

C

Okay got it, you got it got it, you can share only the result and it's fine, like people can judge the if it's good or bad, basically basic based on that exactly.

B

And some of the results will be the same. Graphs right like most of the same graphs, should be part of the results, but some of the parameters are not explicitly described by the graphs and that's what that's what these are, for instance,.

B

And- and another thing is that, like you know, there should be like a button or something that they click and then they get this result print out, and it's like it's like a ceremony of sorts where it's like. Okay, I have finished designing.

B

Now I'm going to submit my design for a vote and then they print out the results and they're like do. I want to submit them? Oh wait. Oh I don't like that result. Okay, I'm not ready, and then they go back. You know.

C

uh Okay got it kind of having two buttons one for like compiling the result and other for sharing it.

B

Yeah submit to vote kind of a thing. Okay, and I think.

B

um I think that is here yeah, so this is issue 17. design, a very specific output that should be exported to a git hub issue.

C

C

B

um Is this something you would want to take on vitor or is it fabio.

C

No sure you can assign me then uh after we can. I can split with him because I think he's out on the or on tct, yet on the awesome, yeah.

B

You're right, I need to do that.

C

uh But I think there are a few issues on on on results, so I think we're good, like we have a few things on that. I think issue six is on results as well, like it's final summary.

B

E

um Also reaching out to fabio, and I'm also trying to find out what merlin's doing um to try and get more help for this uh insanti.

B

E

Yeah, I am I'm talking to santi.

E

He's busy with gibbeth.

B

Santi is busy with giving.

E

Yeah he said he's busy with the comment simulator and something with gibbet for the uh for, for the call. That's what he that's. What hit? That's what you told me yeah that that's what he said. So I don't. I don't.

E

C

Don't know if somebody else yeah.

C

So yeah so looking, I think there are like a lot of issues on like getting final summary and final, like github score, so having a kind of uh output for sharing on github.

C

So I think the kind of the most part of the have many issues kind of regarding to similar things so to think on them uh together in some way.

B

C

B

Mean I think I can close this one.

C

Okay, because I was looking at it and basically, you have a few issues on like taking out uh unnecessary stuff that I'm doing and then like making outputs right and graphs that make sense.

B

Yeah and there's one that's like.

B

This graph, where is it file summary.

C

Oh, do you want you know, I know what you're talking about the.

C

Is it that chart that is weird right.

B

Yeah, the demon will stake visualization on a patch view. Yes,.

B

So this this issue um is kind of complicated. Let's see what what's this website develop, there's so many develops.

C

You mean the dashboard yeah dc dc uh dash. uh It's not that.

B

Is it takes a little bit to load, but it uh there's these two charts and really they need to be combined and also they need to be clarified a bit, because it's not really clear from first glance what it means.

B

But I think that we can clarify it.

C

Yeah, it's taken.

B

Okay, so it's it's, this funding pool and this one.

C

Targets per hatcher- I think you have an issue to take out. I take it out locally.

B

Yeah, so we take out this one: that's expected in target funding pools that one disappears and we also need to get rid of one of these. um Oh.

C

B

And then this one ends up with the cultural build tribute and the hatch tribute both in it, and it should have like these six or seven. um I think uh different graphs. But uh there's there's one where it's explicitly.

B

B

Where we say like, hmm I, don't see it here, but the maybe I'll make it I'll make this issue. But specifically, we need like some like so like there's the mingle and the target goal and max goal.

B

If they choose it or cap raise I mean they really don't both um and then in an ideal world there would be like what does it look like if we raise 2 million? What does it look like if we raise like 5 million? What does it look like if we raise half a million? You know like?

B

Oh the main goal was you know uh 750k, so the half a million one fails and but then here's what the attribute is. If we raise a million, you know like that. Everyone can compare.

B

And okay, actually that that could probably be in the outputs. I guess now, I think about it, and this could just focus on mingle target goal and max goal, and you can simplify it. A little.

C

Yeah, that was what what I was thinking, because those to me, like those graphs, are more like in the current state of stuff and when you do the output. I imagine that when you you want to like have the output graphs for like sharing on github and voting you, you want to have all these comparisons in there right.

B

B

I mean I feel like I should just add this to one of the output.

B

E

Yes, please just that, because this is already so much anywhere, so just keep it as simple as.

B

Possible, um but these these are different. I don't want to make any machine.

B

They didn't really fit any of the other ones.

B

I mean this is in the.

B

This is very well stated in.

B

C

Yeah, that's a great content. I think it makes really.

C

B

So here's the question and I'd put it out to boring and jake, and you know you guys like how many scenarios do we want to give so like here?

B

I basically I'm like okay, what happens if we raise 100 000 dies, the funds are returned because we didn't read them in goal, because the main goal was right and so just have all these printouts. But there's like one two, three, four: five: six: seven, eight nine ten eleven um different scenarios, basically of like we raise this much. These are the stats you know like uh this is the impact hour rate. This is the cultural tribute, and this is the percentage of funds redeemable by the hatcher.

B

Should we have this many uh or should we minimize it, I mean? Is it okay, because output like print out uh or should we minimize the data that we expose?

B

Maybe I'll pass it to you jake to hear your opinion and then you can get someone.

E

Oh yeah, well, you know I'm certainly open to other people's thoughts, but personally I think we should have as much as we can. I I think, having all of that is: okay.

E

I don't know it's just so different. Nothing like this has ever happened, so it's really a trip to like be a part of so I don't. I don't know the groundwork either. uh I think we should, though I think we should have it all. I don't think we should minimize anything.

E

That's my opinion. I don't think we should minimize. At least this.

E

B

Okay, cool I'll pass it for you, then have a user. Do you think we should print out a bunch of data or should we minimize? I.

D

Mean I was thinking the same way as jake like the more we have the better, but at the same time uh it also depends on how much work uh it takes. If, for example, uh do this uh take a lot of work, then I would pick like the more realistic ones and go with them, but yeah. It depends on the work uh yeah. It depends on the work, the more we have the better, but in the case that that's too much for the depth, maybe do the more realistic ones uh like I don't know.

D

For example, maybe you don't need one million and a half. Maybe you do one million, then two million something like that, but it depends on the on the dips. Yeah, that's my opinion.

A

Can I griff.

B

Yeah, of course, go for it.

A

uh A ceo have 100k, um so it's already have a minimum and they see there's, like maximum expectation, is 10 million. um So there is a kind of expectation around this. It's kind of in some kind of sense.

A

uh So what's the risk, if we like make it open without any uh without any, uh without any restrict this kind of sense like is there any risk.

A

Does that make sense.

B

Sorry- and I kind of missed it so is there a risk of these expectations. Is that.

A

Yeah, like yeah like there's like 100 minimum 100k minimum and there's like 10 million minimum maximum, so there's a kind of expectation around around it. So like the like, it's written in some expectation and like if we, if we get, for example, more than two million like for some reason.

A

That is blow up more than what expected what we are expecting. Is there a risk like we don't have any? Is there risk, like we've, been putting putin in this kind of range.

B

uh That's a good question. I mean we could definitely add like uh 50 000 and a 20 million or something uh in the end. The designer who chooses the inputs they're required to choose a min amount to be raised um and they have the option of choosing a maximum amount and then there's like. uh Then they also have to choose they. They have to choose a target amount like how much they are designing, they're expecting to raise and designing for so so the designer will choose those three parameters.

B

I don't know if that helps your um request.

A

Yeah yeah- and I understand so, um is this possible: uh is it possible to choose more than one, for example, if this becoming? uh If I, if I, if I I chose perimeter ah one, I want to be expecting two output uh because I understand like if you choose to parameter the third one is most likely going to be the same, but in some cases uh you want to expect different output outlook, um but yeah I'm I'm um well.

A

uh I might be not asking the right question here, uh but uh uh yeah I'll just pass it to someone else, because I I'm trying to figure out if there's one possible way to um to increase it more than one like. I don't want it to be limited into uh one parameter output. If that makes sense.

B

Yeah I mean you: can um you can param, you can make multiple designs um and then the real so like the nice thing that, with this with our hatch design, is that it's there's just a lot of variables that are dependent or there's a lot of factors, and the results are basically dependent on one variable which is unknown, which is how much money are individuals going to actually put into this thing so, based off of any specific hatch rays, uh a bunch of numbers will be determined and that's kind of the uh the setup that these outputs are designed around.

B

It's like, okay, the unknown that we have is how much money do we raise now? What happens if we raise now pick parameters now what happens with your chosen parameters if we raise this amount that amount so um yeah.

A

Cool cool, interesting yeah.

B

And uh and so yeah, I guess uh I would I tend to agree with jake and zap that we should just have all of them and.

B

C

Like since we're using hollowville there's, you can kind of uh plot a multi-dimensional element, so you can. We can kind of have a slider or stuff like that, so we can handle many different cases and levels of money raised or expectations. So I think it will be fine to implement.

B

Yeah yeah, I think I would think so. Okay cool well! Are there any other issues you wanted to especially check out before and welcome maze nice thanks for coming in.

C

Well, I don't think so, because I think there are more on the results. I think more doubts will come and you need more iteration as long as you start doing these outputs. So I I don't think there is anything specific, but thank you for the passing traditions helped out.

B

Absolutely and amazed and boring and zap um jake and me, uh you know we there's one issue that we can all take on, which is making more issues uh there. There is a uh the um the link. Where do I post this link?

B

Did you post this link somewhere, maybe I'll put in the te1 hive channel the uh the link to the test app? So uh vitor? Is there a time like? Should people play with it? Now you said you hadn't made a bunch of changes locally.

C

Oh yeah, but they're more visually. I can. I can try to to push it after this call, but there are like more removing stuff, so we people can play with it. It's fine.

B

Okay, I definitely try to push it after this call, because uh you know if you're removing stuff, especially people, might play with it and be like. Oh, I don't get it and it's like. Oh, don't worry about it. You don't have to maybe removed it. You know so, okay, um cool! Well, that's it for me. uh Boring maze, zap uh jake. If you guys want to help victor out by um testing testing this out and making issues and and uh in a dream world the issues have screenshots.

B

That makes it really easy. I will post the issue the new issue button in the te one hive bridge channel as well, and I think we can end early jake. Did you have anything else.

B

Jake has orange juices well cool. Well, thank you guys. uh Unless there's any last questions, I think we can call.

A

uh By the way, uh yeah thanks griff by the way, uh did you get any kind of funding still like? Have you been the proposal yet one hive, because I feel I feel, like my comments, made up a lot of trouble, which I did oh.

B

No yeah, but your comments were great. um I mean we hired chewie and now it also brought up a lot of other challenges with uh within the one hive community, with the just like scope of of our of our approach and so uh luke and will and the celeste team kind of want to make sure that we change the branding around certain things and, and so now we're actually going to be the common swarm and we're.

B

Now that we have this target like there's no more blockers. But we need to execute on a few more comms items and hopefully we will be able to put up our proposal next week.

A

Yeah cool uh yeah, I'm following a following inside one hive, so I'm not familiar with the changes, but uh so I I felt like I started all of this, so I kind of feel bad kind of uh you know will and look they sometimes they get too deep into into it.

A

So uh yeah once once it's out um I'll try to support as much as I can, uh because I really yeah once I get involved, they can understand, like um I understand it's more, which is what's kind of the issue, but I think now, when once once I feel the community started to get involved into the guardians and tec uh as a general.

A

I think it will, or certainly you told us um yeah if you can hurry it up, uh because uh you know the price is getting up and uh it will be much benefit uh for, for you guys. No.

B

Absolutely I'm with you, um you know, there's just uh I guess the big challenge. Is we really there's like uh so many things to do.

A

Yeah, I know that yeah.

B

The dev team really didn't want to be distracted while they're trying to freeze the hash smart contracts so that we can just be done with that and get that to our auditor and that basically pushed back our our um yeah, our request for funny, which is really too bad. um But uh that's okay. You know it is what it is and we will get it out hopefully, within a week, but worst case scenario the end of next week.

A

Yeah yeah uh yeah truly doing a lot of great job and follow keeping the community updated. uh Also I'll try to make the bosto and terra swarm to push this as much as we can. So as as long as you guys. Just uh you know, uh keeping chewy update, keeping chewy in the place and keeping us updated.

A

It should not take. Any problem should pass like as fast as you can as fast as possible.

B

Yeah, I think so too I mean, and but we learned a lot. You know this is the magic of conflicts right. You can see them as problems, but in at least in the tec space we have the gravity, group and they've really convinced everyone that conflicts are opportunities for transformation and and uh this small conflict you know conflicts are natural and it it we were able to transmute it into something better right.

B

So yeah, I don't feel bad at all about about how it went down. In fact, I think it was perfect it it now we're the common swarm and everything is much clearer.

A

Yeah well yeah well as well yeah. uh Well yeah. It was my pleasure to have this call. I will try. I like this, this kind of calls more than the normal one, the normal one also me and monstrosity feel a bit frustrated sometime in the some of the kind of call that we have in tec.

A

I'm sure if monstrosity get into this kind of call, he will be much more interested um I'll. Try to tell him because he's like a community manager on his- and he is very intelligent- must come to kind of these things. His opinion is very uh spot on.

A

Sometimes he he's working also with agave team and he's lucky, leading it with queen hunting um I'll try to bring him with me with this kind of call, because it's working session and kind of goes through into it rather than the community calls that sometimes it's not really our kind of thing now.

B

Yeah, well, if you guys, I mean uh jake, are you there.

A

B

We often do these uh like four hour hack sessions on sunday. I don't know if you guys would be interested in that, but that's where we get real work done like this is where we coordinate async work but yeah. You know it's so fun to just like hack on stuff together, sometimes.

A

Yeah, you know we we are, we are into work. We trying to also find some.

A

uh We try to find some cooperation with different uh dabs uh and we're looking into different things. uh We really wanted to get involved tec like one month ago, but we kind of didn't know how we can get into this kind of thing like this is just deadline. Work like just very focused group working group.

A

uh We kind of need like we're looking for something that will benefit in benefit us in some way, especially in uh like in the crypto uh in crypto world, so um yeah, this kind of meeting we like, I hope I make making sense yeah.

B

But yeah, yeah and and and uh what sunday at 1 pm new york time, uh we have a nice long hack session and if you guys uh feel like you want to do like paid work, I mean you know, we don't pay that great, but we also get you you. We can do a hybrid of payment and um like if you feel like you, have real skills to contribute, and uh you know you have like the like.

B

If you want to come to these devs dev calls and do dev work, uh there is opportunity for payment and also tec tokens. You know.

A

Yeah yeah, we we actually not looking into like hard payments. We actually looking into talking. I I know, like you guys, going to have your own talking like pretty soon right and that should have yeah yeah and that's one sure has its own value this correct. If this workout this project could could worth more than 15 million to 100 million, so outputs can be high. If it work ritual, I mean and that's what we are looking into like products that have potential like we can spend 24 hours each day.

A

We don't mind, but we need to know like yeah. We need to know that the output has potential, you know and tc for sure has, but I think you guys at at the end of the trip. So uh we are not sure like uh uh like how we can contribute like how we how we can um help the most, but uh but for sure, these kind of um calls are the best for sure yeah.

B

Well, that's great feedback man. Well, thank you guys uh for hanging out. I I do have to run to the next call. Oh look at my calendar there it is. I didn't need to share that.

A

B

um But cool well, thank you guys and thank you boring.