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B
I,
like
them
intentions,
Vita
just
ketchup
on
sofa
and
distractions.
None
at
the
moment,
oh.
A
Also
intentions
with
me
just
see
what's
up
with,
hopefully
we
we
have
some
other
folks
here,
distractions.
Well,
a
bit
tired
from
all
these
meetings
and
favorite
food.
Are
you
eat
I,
like
Asian
food,
a
lot
I,
don't
think
I
have
like
a
specific
dish
but
action
fruit
overall.
A
Awesome
I
love
sushi,
which.
A
All
right
well,
first
topic
very
quickly,
so
I
don't
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
have
seen
it
but
there's
a
forum.
Post
Yeah,.
B
A
Like
a
talk,
economics
guide
or
something
they're
requesting
yeah,
Thief,
five
or
ten,
okay,
I,
remember
this
one,
and
so
this
has
been
up
there
for
a
while
more
than
a
month
now
they
didn't
foolish
the
proposal
to
the
gardens,
and
so
last
week
we
sort
of
chatted
about
that.
Precisely
that
the
you
know,
I
think
for
us,
it's
kind
of
clear
how
to
go
about
the
governance
and
funding
request
process,
but
for
people
that
are
not
usuals
on
the
TC
may
be
harder
because
I
don't
know.
A
Most
of
the
big
dials
have
like
a
very
strict
process
of.
Like
you
publish
you
stay
up
there
for
two
three
days,
then
someone
sort
of
reached
reaches
out
and
helps
you
put
that
in
a
snapshot
or
whatever
platform,
and
we
don't
have
that.
We
have
like
a
very
big,
very
big
guidelines,
so
that
may
be
confusing
and
we
chat
a
bit
about
how
to
how
to
improve
them.
Hey
amigo,
how's
it
going
a
fine.
A
And
so,
as
far
as
updates
on
that
proposal
per
se,
opinion
was
chatting
with
them.
I
think
he
has
already.
He
already
chatted
with
them
and
they're
sort
of
in
contact,
but
I'm
just
not
sure.
If
what's
what's
the
status
of
that,
so
not
so
much
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
that
there
and
then
we
have
the
Forum
Poll
for
proposals,
and
so
I
was
just
saying
that
we
have
to
clarify
the
process,
and
so
let
me
when
you
open
the
handles.
A
And
let
me
see
first
thing
this,
like
a
suggestion,
song
section
I
think
it's
called
advice
process.
Let
me
see
it
comes.
B
I
thought
that
people
would
be
kind
of
reticent
to
support
this
togonomics
guide
the
wall,
while
tea
is
kind
of
developing
the
same
thing
in
a
in
the
in
the
thumbnails
course,
but
I'm
surprised
to
see
that
people
are
receptive
to
it
in
the
Forum
yeah.
A
I
mean
I
think
we
have
to
because
we
I
don't
think
is
in
the
best
interest
for
us
to
sort
of
just
double
down
on
the
academy.
You
know,
I
think
the
more
players
in
in
the
educational
space,
the
better-
and
you
know
it's
it's
great-
to
have
someone
like
very
specifically
into
economics,
which
is
a
very
Niche
part
of
talk
engineering.
Well,
the
academy
does
more
sort
of
broader
education
in
the
field.
Yeah.
B
If
this
is
supposed
to
be
the
selling
point
for
Te
activity,
then
it's
much
better
to
have
them
communicating.
Then
it's
not
participating
they're,
not.
A
Yeah
right,
okay,
so
I'm
not
funny
right
now,
but
there's
something.
Let
me
see
because
I
published
a
photo
I
think
last
week,
but
there's
something
on
the
handbook
that
says:
okay
just
found
it
so
it
says
a
proposal
should
be
shouldn't
stay
open
for
Our
advice
process
for
up
to
two
weeks.
After
this
period
it
should
be
either
marked
resolved
with
updates
or
move
to
the
proposal
section
to
be
sent
to
conviction,
boarding
snapshot
or
Tower
boarding.
And
so
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
this
in
here.
A
A
A
Let
me
see
if
I
can
find
there
there's
their
sort
of
The
Proposal
process
here,
but
essentially
they
have
like
a
three-phase
stuff
with
a
with
templates,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
post
a
proposal
on
on
dinosis
style,
it
has
Apple.
It
has
like
this
sort
of
I'm
brief
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
it
was
like.
You
know
like
just
some
points,
some
like
addressing
the
section
yeah.
What
was
that
an
abstract,
yeah.
A
And
then
you
know
the
the
proposal
body
and
so
Levy
suggested
we
implement
the
poll
as
the
way
to
go
some
like
as
a
way
to
get
clarity
on
on
on
this.
So
yeah,
why
not
yeah?
So
maybe
we
I
don't
like
two
weeks
honestly
I
think
days
is
more
attractive
three
days
or
something
like
that
and
so
like.
A
Maybe
we
can
have
three
days
and
so
after
the
three-day
Mark,
we
check
the
poll
and,
depending
on
the
on
the
result,
we
sort
of
approved
the
proposal
to
go
to
the
mission
of
voting.
B
Or
whatever
I
don't
think
people
have
been
participating
as
much
in
the
forums
as
this
would
be
required
to
have
it
be
that
in
a
time
frame,
I
think
people
would
barely
be
finding
it
within
three
days
of
being
published
or
having
a
poll
added
to
it
or.
A
B
Weeks
is
a
long
time
that's
up
to
two
weeks.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
two
weeks
if,
if
we
come,
if
it
seems
like
consensus,
is
you
know,
formed
then
I
think
it
can
just
go
ahead
and
be
moved
on
it
or
if
no
advice
is
forthcoming,
like
after
three
days
or
something,
if
there's
three
silent
days
or
something
like
that,.
A
Well,
well,
I
think
we
need
a
stronger
metric,
okay,
whether
it's
time
or
participation,
because
we
may
have
because,
like
how
many
people
is
the
minimum
like
how
many
people
do,
we
need
to
participate
in
the
poll
to
for
it
to
be
considered
appropriate
to
move
before
two
weeks.
That's
the
question
foreign.
B
I
think
it
would
be
like
I,
don't
know,
but
it
because
the
the
frequency
of
visitors
to
The
Forum
is
a
critical
metric
to
find
out
how
many
eyeballs
are
actually
getting
on
something,
and
we
don't
we
we
don't.
You
know
it
only
starts.
We
don't
have
a
public
metric
for
that.
It
only
see
you
know,
starts
to
feel
busy
or
starts
to
feel
quiet,
so
I,
don't
really
I.
B
C
B
How
do
you
measure
when
some
is
without
knowing
how
many
people
are
coming?
How
do
you
know
how
many
people's
enough.
C
Okay,
so
this
is
this,
is
the
problem
does
goes
about
it
I
think
three
phases
is
overkilled
for
us
power
like
phase
one
on
phase
two
should
be
the
same
and
what
they
do
is
so
phase
one
is
ideation.
So
I
think
this
would
be
sort
of
similar
to
what
we
call
Advice
process.
C
Then
phase
two
would
be
I,
don't
know
we
can
call
it
a
stronger
advice
process.
That's
why
that's?
Why
I
think
we
that's
too
much
for
us
yeah.
B
I
mean,
ultimately,
the
poll
is
just
the
vice
process,
and
the
poll
is
just
almost
to
like
save
people.
Time
from
submitting.
You
know,
inevitably
rejected
proposals
supposed
to
like
gauge
vote,
appetite,
I,
think
versus
yeah
and
offer
people
who
you
know
who
might
have
an
opinion.
The
ability
to
modify
the
proposal
preemptively
make
it
better
more
palatable
for
votes,
but.
C
I'm
thinking,
maybe
like
we
get
rid
of
phase
one
in
for
phase
two.
We
have
seven
days
because
I'm
thinking
like
advice
process
is
great,
but
I.
C
B
Need
to
increase
the
volume,
the
the
velocity
of
of
proposals
and
I
think
they
need
to
be
Slimmer
too.
Then
you
should
be
having
a
lot
more
proposals
and
they
should
be
smaller
and
scope.
B
Yeah
I
just
think
that
that,
in
order
to
diminish
the
reticence
of
of
voters
to
to
lessen
the
abstains,
that
needs
to
be
less
risk
associated
with
any
given
dispersal,
I
I
was
doing
a
lot
of
reading
last
night
on
the
crypto
fundamental
stuff
I'm.
Just
the
I'm
still
not
I,
don't
understand
why
we
distribute
proposals
allocations
in
in
die
versus
taking
that
die.
B
That's
from
the
combo
and
putting
it
back
across
the
bonding
curve
for
Tec
to
just
to
distribute
for
the
proposal,
because
that's
how
it
was
that's
how
it
was
profess
to
be
designed
in
the
videos
that
I
was
watching
last
night
by
Jeff
and
Ben
Griff.
B
So
I
I'm
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
have
that
in
that
in
the
real
practice
over
the
plant
past
few
months
or
even
a
year.
Those
things
have
like
diverged
from
what
was
said
in
those
things
and
I.
Just
I'm
still
confused
as
to
why
at
the
moment.
So.
C
This
is
my
first
gov
call
so
I'm.
B
C
Well,
you're
you're,
you're
unlucky
in
one
part
and
Loki
for
the
other
unlucky
I
guess
because
this
is
not
the
usual
sort
of
call
well
low
key
because
I
guess
we
have.
We
have
now
the
agency
or
the
time
to
explore
other
other
stuff
just
to
chat
about
it.
C
But
yeah
to
your
point,
Jean
on
on
Distributing
funds
with
TC
instead
of
xdi
I
would
I
would
agree
that
we
that
we
sort
of
that
we
sort
of
commit
or
like
make
working
groups
commit
to
distribute
some
of
the
payments
like
a
portion
of
percentage
with
TC,
but
I
would
consider
X
die
to
be
more
appropriate
for
for
a
few
reasons.
First
of
all,.
A
C
Think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
that's
just
going
to
inflate
the
price
of
the
token
because
we're
going
to
be
continuously
buying
back
TC
but
well
I.
Don't
let
me
see
I,
don't
think
it
will
inflate
the
token.
But
that's
going
to
to
to
make
like
some
weird
relationship,
because
then
we
we
have.
We
will
have
very
big
buying
orders
on
the
ABC
that
are
going
to
be
liquidated.
Any
gate
anyways
because
at
least
the
working
group
expenses
are
operating.
C
Expenses
and
contributors
expect
that
money
to
be
liquid
to
pay
for
what
whatever
and
the
other
reason
that
sort
of
in
line
with
that
is,
that
I
think
it
is
unfair
to
some
extent
to
impose
DC
the
the
ABC
fee
on
the
contributors,
because
then
like
okay,
cool
I,
get
paid
in
TC,
but
every
time
I
want
to
make
it
liquid.
I
have
to
pay
12
percent
on
top
of
whatever
estate
tax
I
have
when
cashing
out
on
on
crypto.
B
Yeah,
it's
an
interesting
debate:
I
I,
don't
I
understand
in
some
ways
why
to
receive
I
mean
I.
I
definitely
understand
why
to
receive
a
stable
coin.
At
this
moment
in
time
yeah.
You
know
descending
Market
that
having
that
that
you
know
discount
protected
against
virus,
you
know
by
receiving
a
stable
as
beneficial
that,
in
effect,
it's
if
we're
Distributing
TDC
to
people
that
we're
Distributing
a
reward
or
an
allocation
at
a
discount
to
the
organization
versus
versus
spending
the
stable
coin.
B
But
it's
I,
I,
I,
I,
guess
that's!
The
balance
is
hoop.
You
know
who
is
being
protected
most
directly.
The
organization
or
the
you
know,
who's
on
the
receiving
end
of
the
allocation
and
but
at
the
same
time
it
could
go
the
other
way.
If
we
were
in
an
ascending
market,
then
maybe
they
would
want
to
receive
their
allocation
in
in
Tec,
because
it
was
you
know,
trending
upwork,.
C
Yeah
I
think
well,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
fair
to
some
extent,
but
also
by
the
way
the
ABC
works.
We
are
not
really
that,
like
we
don't
suffer
that
much
from
any
market
movement.
So,
for
instance,
like
you
know,
prices
of
the
whole
Market
have
tanked
like
a
lot
and
we
have
barely
moved
the
price
of
the
TC.
The.
B
Price
stability
is
like
a
feature
of
the
token
and
that's
it's
a
neat
feature
of
the
of
the
of
moniker,
but
still
there
people
do
sell,
I
mean
they.
You
know
it
there.
There
is
a
definite
Delta.
That's
growing
between.
C
C
Yeah
well,
I
think
that's
that's
very,
a
very
complex
topic
as
well,
because
maybe
I
don't
know
like
because
there's
there's
there's
two
things
happening
now:
one
is
the
market,
but
also
the
best
thing
is
ending.
So
it's
like
are
people
selling
because
of
the
down
Market
or
are
people
selling
just
because
they
want
to
cash
out
on
their
investment?
You
know.
B
Yeah
augment
the
the
Dune
board
to
demonstrate
the
the
best
the
you
know,
unwind
of
the
vesting
process.
C
Oh
I,
don't
have
anything
about
it,
but
yeah.
Okay
of
this,
so
seven
days
old,
you
know
with
us
a
threshold.
You
just
don't
know
what
the
special
piece
are.
We
will
probably
I
think
for
to
determine
a
threshold
would
be
nicer
to
discuss
that
on
a
bigger
call
with
more
people
is
to
have
more
ideas
around
what
else.
I
don't
know,
I
think
it's
just
that.
C
We
also,
we
also
chatted
last
week
on
on
sort
of
having
quote
unquote
role
of
someone
or
a
group
of
people
that
would
be
able
to
sort
of
see
where
the
governance
process.
C
So
in
the
case
of
the
of
the
token
economics
guide,
someone
would
would
have
been
able
to
or
would
have
been
responsible
to
sort
of
you
know
just
stay
on
top
of
of
this
one,
because
I
think
we
really
missed
on
this
one
not
like
not
like
we
missed,
like
I,
think
we
see,
we
still
have
the
opportunity
to
contribute,
but
you
know
it
doesn't
look
good
that
we
haven't
made
anything
on
more
than
one
month.
Football.
C
Could
you
please,
you
know
complete
the
proposal
or
whatever,
but
that's
that's
the
tricky
one,
because
I
don't
think,
there's
that
much
demand
to
sort
of
have
someone
just
for
that,
but
I
thought
like
if
we,
if
we
scope
out
the
role
and
sort
of
the
just
knowing
what
it
needs
to
be
done,
then
all
of
us
can
do
it
like,
because
I
I
spent
a
fair
amount
of
time
like
I,
look
at
the
Forum
once
or
twice
a
week,
and
if
I
knew
that's
something
that
was
needed
when
I
read
the
proposal,
I
would
probably
have
said
something.
B
C
Very
cool
say
corporate:
how?
How
was
the
name
that
you
said
I
like
that
one
which.
C
I
think
that's
great
sort
of
like
you.
Someone
throws
a
proof
of
work
of
then
it's
still
working
the
governance
process
and
receive
to
be
determined,
bounty,
cool.
C
It's
not
so
much
well,
we
tried
it.
That
was
probably
nice
like
well.
This
is
this
is
part
of
the
first
point
of
the
of
today's
agenda
on
on
reaching
out
to
them,
because
we
thought
I
think
they
would
be
a
great
partner
to
keep
to
Kickstart
the
creation
service
with
the
tokenomics
focused
sort
of
interest
group,
but
yeah
I
I'll,
give
you
anything
there.
So
I,
don't
really
know
how's
that
so
yeah.
B
In
the
middle,
that's
a
really
interesting
question.
Do
we
have
a
sense
of
shame
to
ask
people
to
contribute
to
the
comments?
Is
that
purely
I'm
gonna
Financial
contribution,
or
is
that
you
know,
request
to
join
and
participate
contribution.
C
Yeah,
that
was
Gideon,
so
actually
the
the
conversation
last
week
got
quite
interesting
sort
of
because
we
thought
we
thought
we
may
be
able
to
provide
support
in
other
forms,
not
only
monetary
forms
but
and
also
while,
while
while
people
request
for
funds,
we
sort
of
try
to
introgate
them
into
the
community.
C
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
question
so
if
they,
if
they,
if
they,
if
they
propose,
if
they
requested
12K,
do
we
have
a
sense
of
shame
to
sort
of
to
maybe
say
hey.
Can
you
put
a
page
on
the
guide
about
talking
beginning
or
the
other
talking
new
comments
or
hey?
C
Would
you
be
open
to
do
X,
Y
and
Z
for
the
community
in
exchange
for
for
the
12K
stuff,
like
that
like
try
to
not
only
give
money
but
also
and
not
not
also
like
get
something
back
like
get
a
return,
but
you
know
develop
a
more
a
more
two-way
connection
between
between
the
TC
and
the
proposer
on
and
on
that
same
node,
so
I
don't
know
they.
They
because
say
we
have
now
the
Creations
decoration
service
and
they
are
working
on
a
guy.
C
Maybe
if
we
provide
them
situation
service
for
free
or
something
maybe
they
don't
have
to
spend
anymore,
and
so
we
we
make
use
of
the
service
we
are
developing
at
the
at
the
same
time,
while
making
the
proposal
cheaper
and
so,
let's,
let's
there's
less
stress,
on
our
common
pool
and
or
maybe
we
can
sort
of
act
as
a
as
a
sort
of
git
coin
and
look
for
bigger,
bigger
projects
that
may
be
willing
to
contribute
to
their
proposals.
B
It's
interesting,
it's
good!
That's
good
kind
of
questioning
and
ideation
I
I
I
I
want
to
say
that
it
like,
instead
of
having
a
sense
of
shame
to
ask
people,
but
we
should
have
like
a
sort
of
provide
and
offering
the
opportunity
to
contribute.
I've
been
thinking
about
how
we
could
identify
on
on
chain
ideal
candidates
and
to
be
contributors
good.
B
C
Into
reputation,
tokens
and
that
that
way
you
can
sort
of
get
more
insight
into
into
people's
I,
don't
know
whatever
they
do
so,
for
example,
say
of
course
they
integrated
first
with
the
five
stuff
but
say
we
want
to.
C
We
want
to
have
like
we
want
to
build
a
reputation
for
people
that
have
interacted
with
sushi
swap
I,
don't
know,
and
that's
that
sort
of
goes
back
into
the
profile
and
I
think
that
that's
that's
kind
of
what
you're
saying
having
data
sources
across
across
the
chain
that
we
can
sort
of
gather
and
say
hey.
These
would
probably
be
a
good
feed.
B
A
A
A
Bounty
based
someone
that
shows
up
proof
of
work
which
is
lightly
up
comment
on
the
Forum
of
them.
Steward
organized
processes
and
received
to
be
determined
bonding.
A
But
I
think
this
one
could
be
a
very
nice
TC
volunteers,
it's
governance
as
well
and
I.
Don't
know
someone
with
very,
very
low
participation
in
like
that
doesn't
have
a
very
high
stake
in
the
community.
It
could
sort
of
be
incentivized
to
to
see
where
the
governance
process,
while
receiving
more
governance,
power.
A
And
right,
you
know
for
an
opportunity
to
contribute
to
the
Thomas
I
think
this
is
a
great
one.
Let
me
let
me
see
if
we
can
find
ethereum
Foundation
report.
A
Cheese
grass,
aha,
this
one
delegated
domain
allocators,
so
the
the
ethereum
foundation
gives
money
to
certain
organizations
that
give
grams
on
their
behalf.
A
They
call
them
delegated
domain
allocators
and
so
I've
always
been
interested
in
in
us
at
some
point
trying
to
become
just
that
so
delegated
domain
allocators
for
the
for
the
token,
during
space
and
in
in
in
not
only
in
this
student
Foundation
I
believe
this
is
something
all
major
projects
do,
especially
you
know
a
major
Foundation
projects-
and
this
is
not
only
for
for
money-
not
not
only
like
delegated
domain
allocators
for
their
funds,
but
also
would
be
nice
to
have
like
this
network
of
people
and
organizations
that
we
can
plug
in
and
out
when
trying
to
help.
A
B
That
would
be
awesome
if
we
could,
if
we
could,
you
know,
get
some
sort
of
you
know
foundational
support
like
that
from
any
body
and
sort
of
start
accumulating
a
basket
of
backing
tokens.
B
A
We
need
to
use
what
we
have
more
because
I
think
there's
very
little
people
in
the
space
that
have
all
the
connections
that
the
TC
has
with,
with
all
the
major
firms
like
volunteer,
Financial
block
science,
you
name
it
and
and
even
I,
don't
know.
If
you
remember
the.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
find
it
on
the
Forum,
but
the
num
Focus
proposal,
yeah,
so
I
think
we
we
are
kind
of
we
we
are
being
very,
very,
like
I'm
disappointed.
A
We
haven't
taken
more
advantage
of
this
proposal,
because
non-focus
is
literally
one
of
the
biggest
organizations
on
the
data
science
world,
like
they
maintained
some
of
the
biggest
data
science
python
packages,
and
we
haven't-
we
haven't,
said
a
word
about
it
on
on
you
know,
or
our
Communications
I
would
start
you
whatever,
because
like
like
I,
don't
know
like
who
else
in
the
West
Street
space
would
be
able
to
have
someone
from
the
non-focus
organization
to
join
AMA,
for
example,
just
just
to
say
something.
B
That's
a
great
Point
yeah,
it's
I
I,
you
know
I'm
It's
Kind,
it's
disappointing
to
say
it,
but
I
can
I
mean
I,
can
kind
of
see
why
we
haven't
communicated
because
the
people
that
were
you
know
advocating
for
the
proposal
and
helping
to
develop
the
proposal
are
like
or
OG
patchers,
but
most
OG
hatchers
have
diminished
their
participation
their.
B
You
know,
attendance
drastically,
I,
don't
I,
don't
I
can't
ever
remember.
Seeing
Jessica
zarlar
in
a
meeting
Jeff
you
know
has
produced
participation
for
known
reasons
and
then
doctors
argum.
B
You
know,
like
you,
you
know
post
something
makes
a
request
for
funds
and
gets
you
know
people
supporting
it
with
his.
You
know
his
weight
of
reputation
and
influence,
but
yeah
we
don't
get
to
hear
from
them
regularly
or
you
know,
get
the
benefit
of
just
yeah
engineer.
Participation
regularly.
A
A
That's
why
that's?
Why
I'm
disappointed?
Because,
let's
see,
let's
see
the
dream
board,
we
like
we
have
credit
expenses
and
all
of
that,
but
we
we
spend
quite
a
bit
of
money
honestly
and
you
know
I'm
really
excited,
because
we
have
some
things
going
on,
but
at
the
same
time
I'm
not
sure
we
have
spend
like
we
probably
could
have
made
more
with
that
money,
especially
at
the
beginning,
I
know
and
I
know.
You
know
the
hatch,
a
lot
of
excitement,
the
hatch
in
the
middle
of
a
bull
market.
A
There's
this
perception
of
just
having
way
too
much
money
to
to
in
to
just
go
and
spend
it.
However,
we
see
field,
and
but
yeah
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know,
I
think
we.
We
have
to
start
thinking
in
preparing
ourselves
so
the
next
time
we
have
such
a
proposal.
We
are
able
to
capture
that
better,
because
it's
it's
not
even
it's
not,
even
because
we
want
to
sort
of
take
pride
in
Flex
that
we
gave
money
to
such
an
organization,
but
it's
more
like
we
can.
A
B
Yeah
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
we,
if
we
were
to
you,
know,
begin
you
know:
exploratory
dialogue
with
ethereum
Foundation
or
with
other
big
groups
like
I'm,
really
interested
in
hbar.
They
have
a
big
foundation
and
a
lot
of
big
houses.
B
Hbar
hbar
I
think
it's
like
H
Mart,
H,
Barclays,
yeah,
hey
there,
okay,
but
just
try
to
kind
of
start
to
inquire
as
to
what
quality
curation
of
the
grants
that
we,
you
know,
proposals
that
we
receive
looks
like
what
what
they
hope
to
see.
What
kind
of
projects
would
they
hope
to
see,
get
supported
by
us
and
have.
A
B
Focus
Grant
or
proposal
being
funded
or
have
we
failed
to
be
in
their
eyes,
stewards
of
whatever,
where
you've
been
allocated
already,
you
know,
have
we
have
we
spent
money
poorly
or
well,
basically
from
somebody
else's
opinion,
yeah
see
if
if
they
would
have
any
appetite
and
letting
us
some
of
their
money
appropriately.
A
Yeah
that
that
being
said,
I
think
we
are
like
I.
Think
I
I
certainly
think
that
some
of
the
members,
particularly
stewards,
will
probably
have
some
connections
in
some
of
these
foundations.
Certainly,
but
I
think
we
are.
We
have
before
doing
any
Outreach
we
have
to.
We
have
to
mature
a
bit
more
and
honestly,
because
you
know
any
of
these
foundations
giving
just
a
sense
to
us.
That's
a
big
responsibility
on
as
much
as
much
as
I'd
like
to
see
that
happening
as
soon
as
possible.
B
B
You
know
potential
room.
What
what
does
getting
better.
B
A
Like
well,
this
is
this
is
just
my
opinion,
of
course,
but
I'd
say
that
for
us
to
be
for
us
to
become
better,
we
have
to
first
increase
the
or
improve
the
perception
of
the
TC,
and
that
means
the
like
the
like.
Let's
see
so
I
don't
know
if
you
are
aware,
but
we've
had,
we
have
a
bit
of
a
situation
with
Academy
in
in
and
it's
it's
I
I
sense
that
people
doesn't
really
have
that
great
of
appreciation
of
the
TC.
A
Now
simply
because
you
look
at
any
of
our
of
our
media
channels,
mostly
because
that's
the
biggest
one
we
have
and
that's
there's
nothing
interesting
there
there's
nothing,
there's
pretty
much,
nothing
about
talking
uniting
at
all,
it's
it's
and
it's
we
are.
B
Yeah
yeah
it's
hard
for
people
to
get
people
to
care
about
what
the
difference
might
be
between
simple
Dao
and
what
has
you
know
what
it
has
been
instantiated
as
a
virtual
comments.
It's
the
virtual
comments,
yeah
something
more,
and
so
it
seems
like.
We've
tried
to
broadcast
what
what
makes
us
unique
in
some
ways,
but
it
seems
more
I,
don't
know
self-righteousness
than
it
does
quality.
A
It's
also
funny
because
the
academy
I'm
not
sure
how
much
money
does
the
academy
has
but
I'm
sure
it's
way
less
than
the
money
we
have
like
I'm.
Like
you
know,
we
we
we
have
cried
a
few
times
about
us
having
a
little
wrong
way
but
honestly
half
a
million
dollars.
It's
not
that
bad.
B
And
we
gave
the
academy
50k
yeah
they're,
supported
by
other
partners
too.
So
it's
not.
A
But
and
what
I'm
trying
to
say
with
that
is
you
know
they?
They
they
they?
Obviously
they
obviously
have
lesser
capacity
than
us,
but
have
had
more
impact
in
the
space
than
us,
at
least
in
my
perception.
A
You
know,
because
that's
cool
we've
given
close
to
100K
in
Grants
focus
the
the
academy
and
I
think
there's
the
there's.
Also
people
popular
you
know
giving
money
out
of
school,
but
that's
not
necessarily
as
impactful
as
I.
Don't
know.
The
academy
has
more
than
10
maintain
study
groups
live
right.
A
Now
they
have
the
first,
the
first
you
know
the
first
certificate,
that's
very
complete
in
collaboration
with
the
biggest
bigger
brains
in
the
space,
we're
sitting
here,
eating
I,
don't
know
how
much
are
we
are
we
burning
each
month,
probably
somewhere
between
50
and
100K,
between
all
the
working
groups
and
what's
I'm
I'm,
honestly,
not
sure
myself?
What's
the
outcome.
B
Yeah
I
think
it's
actually
diminished
down
to
a
lot
less
than
that
right
now,
Rex
made
a
great
dashboard
and
doing
and.
B
Or
supported
by
some
spreadsheets
that
they
developed
for
the
burn
rate
and
with
the
reorganizations
of
the
stewards
and
whatnot,
which
is
still
obviously
in
flux,
we'll
see
it
we'll
see
what
what
the
spending
rate
actually
kind
of
settles
down
to
at
a
new
minimum
but
yeah
some
some
some
of
the
spending
has
been.
B
Definitely,
you
know
inefficient
on
the
salaried
roles,
particularly.
A
A
Well,
so
if
you
go
up
on
the
on
the
server
there's,
this
knowledge
sharing,
Channel
That's,
all
sort
of
a
forum
yeah
in
we
are
in
in
collaboration
with
with
with
a
group,
that's
called
common
sense
that
that's
composed
of
the
active
active
inference,
Institute
San,
Diego,
Ai
and
a
few
other
folks
we're
building
a
service.
That's
served
aim
at
curating
information,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
this
forum,
this
forum,
thing
on
Discord,
would
would
work
as
a
self-feeding
loop
of
relevant
T
content.
A
That's
in
at
this
in
the
first
iteration
is
going
to
be
used
to
improve
our
communication
Channels
with
the
more
interesting
stuff,
but
we
can
also
it
can
also
be
used
and
it
will
be
used
to
form
interest
groups
to
sort
of
develop
knowledge.
So
I
don't
know.
Maybe
maybe
we
put
up
us
talking
giving
security
interest
group
that
uses
this
platform
to
create
data
and
by
at
the
end
of
of
X
time
period.
A
We
end
up
with
a
small
guide
on
on
t
Security,
for
example,
and
stuff
like
that
and
and
yeah
I.
Think,
oh,
you
know.
That's
that's
not
going
to
be
like
a
mine
of
gold,
but
that's
definitely
going
to
improve
our
our
I
guess
perception
and
also
the
I
want
to
say
the
quality
of
the
contributors
and
Community
like
I,
I,
I,
I,
hope
and
I
expect
more
teas
to
come
to
the
server
and
interact
and
just
just
have
just
just
because
right
now
we
don't
have
any
Community.
A
We
most
of
us
are
consumers
in
one
way
or
another.
There's
no
like
there's
no
like
a
strong
Community.
That's
only
Community
the
people
that
come
here,
whether
they
earn
money
or
not,
they
are
just
getting
their
nose
into
operations
and
stuff
and
yeah.
That's
that's
what
we're
doing
now!
Yeah.
B
It's
it's
a
great
it's
a
it's
a
great
idea.
The
creation
service
you
just
it
just
contributes
to
I
keep
thinking
coming
back
to
like
what
we're
doing
to
develop
an
actual
virtual
shelling,
Point
Beyond,
the
Discord
server,
and
in
like
in
the
4D
space
of
time
and
location.
How
do
we
describe
the
consensus
among
actual
te
participants
as
to
what
is
interesting,
Well
curation
Service
is
a
good
start.
B
A
Yeah
and-
and
that's
that's
something
that's
you
know-
that's
that's
pretty
interesting
because
Gideon
Gideon
has
reading
is
leading
the
this
this
as
part
of
the
sample
working
group,
and
he
has
been
in
touch
with
a
few
people
from
other
communities
like
there's,
one
group
full
defy
security
and
there's
also
the
tokenomics
though,
and
so
you
know
that's
that's
a
nice
way
to
converge
communities
into
into
the
TC,
because
if
we
partner
up
and
we
can
make
interest
groups
that
use
this
creation
service
in
cloud
in
collaboration
with
them,
that's
we
are,
let's
sort
of
you
know
that's
sort
of
user
user
acquisition
in
some
some
form.
A
Yeah
well
was:
it
was
a
pretty
nice
chat.
We
are
almost
at
the
top
of
the
hour
and
I
think
we
we
may
as
well
just
put
it
off
and
I'll,
probably
just
take
a
few
minutes
to
just
rest
and
I'm
I'm
guessing
you
will
do
similar
too,
unless
you
have
even
more
stuff
to
do
today.
Yeah.
B
Yeah
I
got
a
pearl
meeting
in
one
minute,
but
yeah.
Thanks
for
the
discussion
it
was
nice
enjoyed.
A
It
oh
shoot:
well,
good
luck
with
that
and
I
hope
we
we
chat
sometime
soon
was
pretty
nice.