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From YouTube: Budget Committee - November 27, 2017
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Budget Committee, meeting 37, November 27, 2017
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Thank
you
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order.
We
now
have
quorum
I'd
like
to
thank
the
mayor
for
coming
in
for
quorum.
We
have
an
issue
with
a
few
councilors
who
will
be
here
very
shortly,
but
we
had
the
15
minute
deadline.
So
what
I'll
do
is
we
will
begin
the
meeting
and
then
we
will
recess
until
the
other
two
members
get
here
so
I'd
like
to
call
the
37th
meeting
of
the
Budget
Committee
to
order.
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We
acknowledge
that
we
are
meeting
today
on
the
traditional
territory
of
the
Mississauga's
of
the
new
credit
first
nation.
The
Hooton
has
showed
me
the
here
on
one
debt
and
home
to
many
diverse
indigenous
peoples.
Well,
I
welcome
all
the
members
of
the
committee
and
you
can
of
course,
watch
on
YouTube
at
Toronto,
City
Council
live
or
follow
the
meeting
on
your
tablet
or
smartphone
internal
dot,
CA
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council.
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Also.
Is
it
the
last
item,
which
was
a
new
item
that
I
had
circulated?
Bu
thirty-seven
point
one
four
I
believe
yeah,
so
it's
just
the
meetings,
the
rest,
the
regular
budget
committee
meetings
for
the
rest
of
the
year
lift
up
on
the
screen.
Oh
wait,
wait!
No!
This
is
no
we're
on
it,
so
we're
on
14
we've
already
held
it.
The
new
item,
the
new
but
the
new
budget.
You,
the
new
item.
F
F
H
Three,
mr.
chair,
what
this
is
trying
to
do
is
regularize
the
TP
LLC
dividend
as
a
funding
source.
That
is
a
non
program
revenue
just
like
our
Toronto
Hydro
dividend
right.
What
happened
in
17
is,
as
council
was
approving
some
additional
investment
in
active
for
Toronto
Global
and
the
international
marketing.
It
was
directly
being
offset
by
the
slow
of
funds
that
T
PLC
used
to
send
to
invest.
Toronto,
you
disbanded
that
right
we
go
to
invest,
to
go
to
invest
and
then
with
what
we're.
H
G
That
the
international
trade
program
it
this
goes
back
to
economic
development
or
it
goes
to
the
new
global
Toronto.
How
are
we
does
this
become
our
contribution
to
global
to
Toronto,
because
I
understand,
that's
where
we're
not
gonna
do
as
much
international
trade
to
travel
and
running
around
global
Toronto
will
do
it.
So
how
do
we
fund
that
so.
H
G
Okay
and
then
my
general
question
is
really
about,
is
right
back
in
the
beginning
of
trying
to
I,
don't
know
the
appendix,
but
it's
in
the
opening
report
too,
and
you
know
the
variances
are
good
news
except
that
and
unless
we
use
them
entirely
to
balance
the
budget,
because
it's
land
transfer
tax
again
but
I'm.
Just
looking
at
the
report
about
vacancies-
and
there
are
you
makin
see
rates
in
in
in
terms
of
capital,
vacancies
and
I'm
wondering.
G
H
So
three
years
to
chair
I
think
generally
it's
the
second
because
we
go
through
a
process
of
ensuring
that
positions
come
off
the
list
when
the
projects
are
completed.
So
everything
that's
been
built
into
the
budget
is
for
projects
that
are
ongoing,
and
so
the
issue
becomes
finding
the
right
skill
sets
to
actually
do
the
work
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
struggling
with
that.
So.
G
Is
there
a
point
at
which,
looking
at
this,
where
we're
looking
at
on
a
financial
page
but
back
in
those
divisions,
is
there
a
point
at
which
we
have
to
start
looking
at,
but
the
the
process
of
always
getting
them
in
to
manage
a
project
on
a
contract
and
then
letting
them
go
as
soon
as
the
contracts
done?
We
can't
we
can't
constantly
generate
the
positions.
Is
there?
Is
there
any
kind
of
policy
work
going
into?
G
H
Three
mister
chair:
in
fact,
we
did
that
a
few
years
ago
and
you'll
see
that
when
we
deal
with
the
budget,
where
we
added
a
pool
of
positions
and
yeah
I
T
that
we're
still
trying
to
bring
funding
to
the
base
because
we've
been
bringing
that
from
capital
to
operating
so
that
we
could
do
that.
So,
in
addition
to
that,
you
know
what
what
we
see
is
that
the
visions
have
to
when
they're
doing
these
projects
they
need
to
bring
their
own
people
to
the
table
and
backfill
so
that
they
have
expertise.
H
The
subject
matter,
expertise
and
they
have
to
go
out
and
bring
skill
sets
in
like
data
a
systems,
integrator
project
manager,
positions
and
that's
where
the
difficulty
is
as
we
engage
in
projects
that
are
really
new
technologies
for
the
city
right,
the
only
other
option
there
is
to
then
go
through
agencies
where
you're
contracting,
that,
through
the
agency,
which
is
a
much
higher
level
of
cost,
so
we're
trying
to
I
mean
I,
don't
think
the
CIO
is
here
but
I.
Think
there's!
G
I
I
have
some
notes
here
that
say
that
in
our
capital
positions
worse
in
some
areas
were
20%
below
compliment
for
a
capital,
work
and
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
the
way
it
shows
up
for
in
my
word
like
there
are
projects
that
should
have
been
done
like
a
like
a
year
ago
and
they're
not
done,
and
then
we
end
up
bringing
and
staff.
We
bring.
I
We
end
up
having
meetings
with
the
staff
to
say,
okay
what's
going
on,
and
you
feel
like
you're
a
bit
of
a
nasty
nasty
person
trying
to
encourage
them
when
you
know
that
they're
working
time
in
overtime,
so,
like
I,
don't
know
I
know
in
in
the
public
health
there
was
the
whole
issue
of
vacancy
was
we
we
had
to
address
it
in.
We
found
that
the
problem
was
that
the
human
resource
level
I'm
not
sure
where
the
prompt
like.
I
If
this
is
money
already
in
the
budget,
it
should
be
spent
so
that
we
can
get
these
projects
done
and
especially
as
we
go
into
next
year,
I'm
hoping
you
know
without
moving
any
motions
that
we
find
a
way
to
encourage
staffed.
If
it's
a
human
resource
issue
I
hope
it's
not
a
nudge,
nudge,
wink,
wink
issue
to
kind
of
control.
The
budget
staff
is
saying
no,
so
if
that's
the
case,
then,
let's
find
out
what
the
bottlenecks
are.
Is
that
the
human
resource
level
is
it
at
the?
I
E
B
B
B
C
Should
have
been
done
before
the
the
issue
is,
is
that
the
Toronto
Arts
Council
gets
its
various
tranches
for
its
budgets
annually
over
the
year
in
monthly
tranches
and
then
both
when
we
realized,
and
they
realized
that
this
payment
hadn't
gone
through,
because
it
is
a
reserve
budget
they
put
in
the
request
link.
Neither
of
us
had
realized
that
they
had
already
overspent
on
this
side,
so
it
should
have
been
before.
C
E
C
The
total
program
is
a
partnership
between
the
Toronto
Arts
Foundation
and
the
Toronto
Arts
Council.
So
it's
not
this.
The
we're
paying
for
the
$200,000
through
this
charge
he's
about
as
a
portion
of
a
$900,000
program.
So,
for
example,
mayor's
evening
for
the
Arts
also
helps
support
the
program.
A
lot
of
the
volunteer
and
the
cash
flow
had
gone
through
both
the
Torrence
Foundation
and
the
Tron
Arts
Council.
So.
F
C
It
was
established
in
2015,
so
it's
funding,
it's
not
a
billboard
sign
tax.
It's
it's
boarding,
a
sign.
So
every
time
developments
use
the
linear
feet
of
putting
a
sign
on
construction
tax.
There
is
a
charge
municipal
licensing
and
standards
and
collects
that
those
feeds,
but
because
it's
not
a
regular
portion
of
phanzig
it
was
it
goes
into
reserve
fund.
That's
then
my
development
culture,
so
that
that
was
established
in
2015.
F
I
I
E
E
J
A
difficult
number
to
assess
we
have
a
table
that
shows
that
you
know
how
many
people
attend
different
events,
so
sort
of
understanding
what
the
revenue
difference
would
be.
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
do
a
calculation
on
that,
but
it's
not
a
huge
number.
It's
probably
closer
to
ten
thousand
dollars
in
different.
Something
like
that.
D
J
I
mean
we're
really:
we
were
trying
to
lessen
the
gap
between
the
staff
resources
that
are
put
towards
these
events
and
the
and
the
fees
that
we're
collecting.
So
there
really
is
no
major
differences
in
the
staffing
we
provide
for
a
lot
of
those
events.
It's
basically
the
same
kind
of
staffing
levels,
but.
D
Set
the
bar
below
a
hundred
thousand
your
people,
not
dollars,
but
your
mini
event.
You
know,
you're,
not
a
signature
event
or
over
a
hundred
thousand
people
would
be
a
signature
event
like
the
taste
of
the
Danforth
is
a
signature
event
and
I'm
wondering
if
I
can
just
ask
economic
development
about
the
nature
of
signature.
Events
of
the
big
type
of
events
that
exist
compared
to
a
BIA
starting
off
with
fifty
thousand,
really
as
it
would
be
a
very
small,
wouldn't
be
considered
to
signature
in
any
way.
F
E
F
I
I
K
Your
chair,
this
is
it's
addressing
on
a
proactive
adjustment
to
our
ability
to
spend
so
in
terms
of
our
projections
for
the
sidewalk
program.
We're
right
now
only
anticipating
to
be
able
to
spend
80%
of
it,
and
the
impact
is
really
just
to
sidewalk
rehabilitation.
So
it's
not
it's
not
to
defer
any
new
sidewalks.
The
2018
program
right
now
is
is
projecting
a
17
million
dollar
program
for
sidewalks.
That's
what
we're
proposing
in
the
2018
capital
budget
and
we're
looking
at
a
way
to
address
sidewalk
backlog
for
the
sidewalk
rehabilitation.
So.
K
Charity,
I,
wouldn't
say
sort
of
moving
one
from
one
place
to
another,
it's
more
about
being
able
to
project
what
our
program
can
spend.
There
reason
why
we
can't
spend
a
hundred
percent
of
the
sidewalk
program
in
this
year
is
because,
in
some
locations
the
delivery
of
the
sidewalk
rehabilitation
program
is
part
is
coordinated
with
utility
cut
repair
and
just
in
terms
of
addressing
work
zone
coordination,
some
locations
needed
to
be
put
off
to
a
future
year.
What
more
cones
can
be
addressed.
I
E
Just
on
that
point
about
the
utility
cuts
so
when,
when
there
are
utility
cuts
and
the
sidewalks
are
damaged
and
they're
unsafe,
we
have
to
we,
we
have
to
tell
our
constituents,
you
have
to
wait
a
year
or
two
years
for
the
sidewalk
to
be
repaired.
Why
is
that
like?
Why
do
they
have
to
wait
so
long
when
the
damage,
when
that,
when
they
damage
the
sidewalk
and
it's
unsafe,
and
if
people
are
going
crazy
like?
Why
do
we
have
to
wait
that
long?
L
You,
mr.
jereth,
so
historically,
the
city
has
a
protocol
with
a
they
would
undertake
the
permanent
restoration
themselves
versus
the
utilities.
The
utilities
were
only
responsible
for
a
temporary
repair
and
we
would
allow
it
to
go
through
a
freeze
thaw
cycle.
However,
on
it,
based
on
the
sheer
volumes
of
utilities,
we
have
a
report,
that's
coming
back
before
council
at
the
next
meeting,
which
is
in
which
is
titled
wholly
holding
utilities
accountable,
and
what
that
does.
L
E
L
F
K
You
share
part
of
the
reason
was
because
this
twist
tendered
on
a
cost
plus
time
basis,
it's
a
pilot
project
in
order
to
achieve
efficiencies
where
the
work
would
be
done
sooner.
In
this
case,
that
hasn't
quite
worked
out,
and
so
the
schedule
is
as
per
the
original
schedule
or
not
getting
the
scheduled
savings,
and
so
there
will
be
a
process
to
undertake
to
get
returned
monies
from
the
contractor.
In
that
case,.
F
M
Thank
you
questions,
don't
necessarily
anything
to
do
with
the
the
amendments
that
are
being
proposed
here,
but
just
a
question
on
the
king
street
pilot,
the
the
traffic
lights
that
currently
exist
in
that
dedicated
transit
corridor.
Are
they
automated?
Are
they
regular
traffic
lights
and
if
they
are
regular,
is
there
anything
in
the
capital
budget
that
would
make
them
smart
traffic
lights
in
the
future?.
A
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
we
certainly
have
two
quarters,
neither
of
which
are
Kingstree
that
we
just
launched
some
smart
signal
programs,
adaptive
controls
just
on
Friday.
Actually,
the
purpose
of
that
pilot
is
to
test
two
different
types
of
smart
signal
control,
one
that
uses
video
and
the
other
that
uses
infrared
correct
right
so
that
we
can
find
the
best
one
or
both
being
the
best
to
implement
more
broadly
in
the
future,
because
we
believe
that
that
gives
us
a
fair
amount,
more
ability
to
regulate
flows,
King
Street
does
not
have
that
capacity.
A
Now,
based
on
the
results
of
that
particular
pilot
and
the
results
of
the
pilot
that
were
going,
we
might
choose
to
upgrade
those
signals
to
be
more
sensitive
with
adaptive
control.
Those
signals
do
have
transit
signal
priority.
We
continue
to
work
with
TS
with
the
TTC
on
the
best
way
to
most
efficiently
implement
transit
signal
priority
on
that
corridor.
In
the
pilot,
okay,.
B
A
B
F
G
Just
want
to
speak
to
the
questions
regarding
the
sidewalk
repair,
I,
look
forward
to
that
report
and
and
regularizing
the
the
new
way
of
making
utilities
through
them.
Toronto
Hydro
was
part
of
a
pilot
in
our
area
in
my
ward,
a
whole
subdivision
where
it
was
all
underground
hydro
and
they
did
an
excellent
job
of
sidewalks
of
keeping
city
standard.
You
the
one
now
that
it's
done,
you
can't
tell
the
difference
between
the
ones
that
were
done
by
Toronto
Hydro
and
the
ones
that
were
done
by
our
own
contractors.
G
But
I
will
say
this
once
we
get
this
going
where
we
have
the
odd
project
and
the
city
is
doing
it,
we're
really
going
to
have
to
look
at
our
deadlines,
because,
once
you
have,
as
we
did
in
the
pilot
area,
once
you
have
the
utility
doing
immediate
permanent
repairs
and
our
own
timelines
are
much
longer
the
community
loses
their
minds
literally
loses
their
minds
over
it.
It
makes
no
sense
that
my
neighbor
is
back
to
normal.
G
Why
aren't
things
done
on
time
and
when
will
they
be
done
on
time
and
we
keep
asking
and
asking
and
asking
it?
In
fact,
if
we
have
a
standard,
we
rarely
keep
to
it.
Rarely
keep
to
it.
I
hope.
The
utility
report
that's
coming
to
works.
Actually,
it's
on
its
way
to
council
now
I
believe
it's
on
its
way
to
Council
yeah.
It
works,
as
is
done
with
it.
I
hope
that
actually
does
result
in
that
ability
for
us
to
say
to
residents.
Yes,
they're
ripping
up
every
sidewalk
in
your
neighborhood.
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Here's
when
you
will
be
back
to
normal,
but
if
it
doesn't,
whether
it's
next
year
or
two
years
from
now
or
three
years
to
now,
eventually
I
think
it's
going
to
come
to
council.
They
have
to
say
this.
Is
our
guideline
I,
don't
care
what
the
price
tag
is.
This
is
when,
if
you
rip
up
an
entire
neighborhood,
I
want
to
see
the
neighborhood
back
to
normal
and
my
residence
too
prepared
to
pay
for
it
because
they
are,
they
all
say.
What
would
it
cost
to
see
my
neighborhood
back
to
normal?
That's
all
they
want.
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So,
just
by
way
of
history,
the
Leeside
arena
I
believe
that
added
a
second
pad
and
entered
into
an
agreement
that
any
deficits
that
they
incur,
irrespective
of
the
reasons,
would
be
added
to
their
long-term
debt.
Currently,
lease
side
charges
an
extra
$20
to
per
hour
to
reduce
that
debt
I
get
that
part
of
it.
Unfortunately,
the
last
few
years
or
since
I've
been
elected.
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The
the
manager
at
the
facility
has
raised
the
issue
that
the
pad
the
original
ice
pad
in
the
original
arena,
nothing
to
do
with
the
new
one
has
been
failing
in
the
last
couple
years.
They
spent
over
$50,000
preparing
it
speaking
to
staff.
It's
my
impression
that,
given
the
budgets
and
and
the
available
money
as
they
are,
that
they'll
just
wait
till
the
pad
fails
before
they
tend
to
half
a
million
to
a
million
dollars
to
fix
it.
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The
problem
with
that
is
that
would
be
a
devastating
situation
for
the
facility
in
terms
of
meeting
their
targets.
My
concern
is
that
this
is
out
of
their
control
and
I'm
concerned
with
the
way
the
city
might
deal
with
it,
namely
that
they
add
that
any
deficit
incurred
as
a
result
of
a
situation
out
of
their
control
that
has
to
do
with
the
original
icepad
would
get
added
to
their
debt
would
to
be
catastrophic
and
which
is
quite
unfair.
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Two
motions,
I'm
gonna,
be
moving
I
believe
I'm.
Moving
this
on
behalf
of
counsel
fraca
darkus,
who
has
a
community
meeting
she's
just
trying
to
sort
out.
We
talked
to
clerks
fine
with
switching.
This
has
actually
worked
a
little
bit
better
for
staff.
So
I'm
gonna
move
that
on
motion.
She
wants
to
attend
opposed.