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From YouTube: Budget Committee - November 10, 2017
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Budget Committee, meeting 36, November 10, 2017
Agenda and background materials:
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Meeting Navigation:
0:06:32 - Call to order
Agenda Items:
0:07:54 - BU36.1 - 2018 Rate Supported Budgets - Toronto Water and 2018 Water and Wastewater Consumption Rates and Service Fees (Ward All)
1:35:02 - BU36.2 - 2018 Rate Supported Budgets - Solid Waste Management Services and Recommended 2018 Solid Waste Rates and Fees (Ward All)
2:21:00 - BU36.3 - 2018 Rate Supported Budgets - Toronto Parking Authority (Ward All)
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The
Hooton
has
showed
me
the
Huron,
when
dot
and
home
to
many
diverse
indigenous
people,
I'd
like
to
let
everyone
know
that
if
you
want
to
watch,
we
are
on
YouTube
at
the
Toronto
City
Council
live
where
you
can
follow
on
your
computer
tablet
or
smartphone
at
Toronto,
dot,
CA
/
Council.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
Act,
seeing
none?
We
will
begin
with
the
agenda,
which
is
on
your
yellow
orange
papers,
I
guess,
yellow
papers.
We
have
three
items
before
us,
which
are
the
rate
based
budgets.
A
First
is
BU
36.1,
which
is
of
Toronto
water.
The
second
one,
of
course,
is
BU
36.2
the
solid
waste
management
and
B
use
six.
Thirty
six
point:
three,
which
is
the
Toronto
parking
authority
today,
we'll
have
an
opportunity,
we'll
be
listening
to
some
deputations,
along
with
any
questions
of
staff
on
the
contents
of
the
of
the
budgets.
A
B
Want
to
say
by
me
speaking
at
this
meeting,
this
shall
not
be
deemed
to
be
in
any
way
my
consent
expressed
or
implied
in
doing
so
is
fraud.
God
bless
her
majesty
of
the
Queen
and
long
live
for
Majesty.
The
Queen
I
guess
that's
kind
of
expecting
city
manager,
Peter
walls
to
be
here,
but
I
just
wanted
to
tell
him
and
all
of
you
to
take
notice
that
the
word
set-off
is
mentioned
six
times
the
Ontario
financial
administration
acts.
B
So
in
this
item
it
says
number
for
City
Council
authorized
that
the
necessary
amendments
be
made
some
Municipal
Code,
Chapter,
441
fees
and
charges,
Municipal,
Code,
Chapter,
849,
water
and
sewage
services
in
utility
bill
and
Municipal
Code,
Chapter,
681
sewers
and
any
other
necessary
Municipal
Code
chapters,
as
may
be
required
to
give
effect
to
these
recommendations.
Well,
I
looked
up
section,
441,
seven,
payment
of
fees
and
charges
be
the
following:
methods
of
payment
will
be
accepted
for
the
payment
of
fees
and
charges
imposed
by
this
chapter.
B
One
cash
to
check
three
money
order
for
credit
card
or
five
debit
card
word.
Payment
is
made
in
person
now
back
in
May
at
Executive
Committee
on
the
stormwater
charge
item
in
your
own
City
of
Toronto
act.
I
explained
the
definition
for
tax
in
Section.
329
also
means
fees
and
charges
okay,
so
the
water
bill
is
really
attacks
which
is
expected
to
be
paid
by
the
taxpayer.
Now
I,
don't
know
if
you
any
of
any
of
you
heard
about
this,
but
the
Auditor
General
recently
shared
some
words
of
wisdom
with
all
of
us.
B
Like
audit
committee,
recently
I
made
a
meme
out
of
it.
She
says
my
first
statement
is
always
be
clear
on
the
law
and
then
councillor
is
not
here,
but
she
would
remember
recently
at
a
Toronto
Police
Services
Board
meeting.
Everyone
know
that
scene
from
Skyfall,
where
Q
is
looking
at
Javier.
Bardem
is
code
that
he
created
the
badeck.
The
guy
played
the
bad
guy
and
he
says
to
himself
admiring
Li.
The
use
of
obviating
code
meant
to
conceal
its
true
purpose.
B
So
does
anyone
here
actually
know
with
the
exact
definition
for
taxpayer
in
the
City
of
Toronto
act?
Is
so
I
got
this
here
and
it's
all
it's
all,
rather
very
small
print
there,
but
if
you
look
up
in
Section
303
of
the
City
of
Toronto
act,
the
definition
for
taxpayer
given
means
a
person
whose
name
is
shown
on
the
tax
roll,
but
then
there's
also
a
definition
for
person
in
Section
258
under
fees
and
charges.
What
we're
talking
about
what
I'm
talking
about
here?
B
In
the
legal
system
that
word
includes
can
also
be
mean,
means
I,
know
that
sounds,
but
I've
also
point
out
of
the
police
board
that
the
Attorney
General
in
Cochran
versus
Ontario,
Attorney
General
2007,
has
said
that
the
Attorney
General
suggests
that
the
problem
could
be
addressed
by
replacing.
The
word
includes
what
the
word
means.
The
better
course
is
to
read
in
the
word
means
to
replace
the
word
includes.
B
She
told
me
a
true,
truthful
answer
about
the
counselor
matalas
budget
town
hall
meeting
a
couple
years
ago
that
this
is
a
remittance.
The
problem
is,
is
that
you're?
You
know
he's
not
here
today,
but
your
deputy
treasurer
Mike
st.
amant
told
me
before
government
management
committee
that
he's
not
gonna.
Let
my
father
use
this.
You
know
he's
not
gonna
honor,
the
room.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much
and
my
apologies
to
my
colleagues
like
I'm,
not
totally
prepared,
given
that
we
were
so
busy,
but
this
is
kind
of
what
I
see
and
I'm
going
a
little
bit
from
memory
from
the
last
time.
So
just
Ryan,
some
of
them
and
and
and
let
me
say
first
of
all,
I
do
I
do
so
appreciate
water.
You
have
a
big
project,
not
in
my
ward
but
just
outside
my
ward.
The
st.
C
Claire
reservoir
and
I
had
a
very
wonderful
tour
of
the
place
and
it
just
great
what
you're
doing
there
and
I
never
ceased
singing
your
praises.
So
I
hope
you
can
hear
all
this
in
that
light.
So
the
the
issue,
some
of
the
issues
for
me
so
page
36
on
the
on
the
presentation,
is
the
capital
plan
and
I
mean
when
you
see
when
you
see
something
going
like
that,
that
has
to
kind
of
raise
some
racing
bells.
C
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
is
move
emotions
that
says
something
like
this
request
report
request
that
you
report
to
the
budget
process.
Part
of
the
2019
budget,
because
this
year
is
pretty
well
like
it
is
what
it
is
on,
how
to
build
and
maintain
adequate
reserve
levels
more
in
the
out
years
than
in
the
near
years
in
the
near
years.
We're
fine
in
the
out
years
we're
not
it
it's,
and
so
all
we
need
is
one
disaster
and
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
a
Pikul.
D
C
D
E
C
Then
there
is
the
okay,
so
this
whole
thing
of
the
industrial
water
surcharge
that
just
keeps
coming.
That's
a
could
you
just
explain
that
a
little
bit
in
your
stance
position,
staffs
position
is
I
think
to
basically
we
should
do
it
and
in
that
that,
in
this
environment
it
will
not
put
our
businesses
at
a
competitive
disadvantage
in
such
a
way
that
they
would
seek
to
leave.
Is
that
frankly,
stas
position?
It's.
D
Cheery
mr.
chair,
if
we
call
staffs
position,
there's
multiple
divisions
and
multiple
staff
members,
so
I'll
talk
about
what
trauma
waters
role
was
in
that
situation
and
our
role
was
to
identify
what
the
true
costs
of
treatment
are.
That
was
something
that
we
undertook
and
we
provided
that
in
our
staff
report
and
documented
the
actual
cost
of
treating
over
strength,
industrial
waste
and
set
a
framework
for
how
to
charge
for
that
amount.
D
Now,
coupled
with
that,
we
did
work
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
economic
development
as
well
as
engage
industry
and
in
the
final
submission
there
were
options
for
council
to
consider
and
how
to
deal
with.
Some
of
the
concerns
are
raised
by
large
water
users
and
industry
and
the
economic
development
community.
D
C
Is
it
possible
to
get
a
water
perspective
brought
to
Council
on
it
because
I
think
the
way
to
do
it
as
I
understand
it?
We
have
to
kind
of
give
notice
if
we're
going
to
debate
that
at
Council,
but
we
have
to
give
notice
board
here
so
introduce
some
motion
here
and
then
someone
someone
mentioned
to
me
that
I
have
to
introduce
something
and
then
withdraw
it.
And
then
that's
notice
given
and
then
we
can
debate
it
at
Council.
Is
that.
A
A
So
I
think
the
first
thing
is
to
move
that
and-
and
you
know
whether
it
passes
or
goes
forward
from
the
budget
to
executive
I
mean
if
it
makes
it
number.
The
one
way
to
get
up
to
council
is
if
it
makes
it
to
council
right,
we'll
have
that
opportunity
to
debate
it.
So
that's
one
way
to
have
that:
okay,.
C
F
F
G
G
D
Through
mr.
chair,
the
percentage
of
capital
spent
in
2016
I
believe,
what's
80
80
%.
The
reason
that
you
see
a
larger
contribution
to
capital
in
the
2016
year
is
once
we
closed
out
the
fiscal
year.
We
had
obtained
greater
than
forecasted
revenues
because
we
had
a
very
dry
summer
so
that
additional
revenue
and
the
surplus,
then
that
we
generated
went
into
the
reserve.
So
that's
a
reflection
of
the
extra
revenue
and
and-
and
so
that's
why
you
see
it
jump
up
in
that
year.
Okay,.
D
G
G
D
D
If
you
take
a
look
at
that,
what
you
see
in
2019
and
2020
years
is
significant
expenditures
as
we're
about
to
award
some
very,
very
large
contracts,
there's
about
four
or
five
large
contracts
that
will
be
awarded
within
the
2018
year
and
and
they
will
have
significant
value.
There's
a
slide
here.
If
I
take
you
to
slide.
D
B
slide,
44
I
was
trying
to
put
into
context
some
of
the
large
projects
that
will
be
awarded
and
then
and
their
multi-year,
so
the
cash
will
be
spent
over
a
three
or
four
year
period.
You
could
see
just
those
projects
listed
there
and
drawn
water
has
hundreds
of
projects.
It
does
a
year
right
enlisted
dozen
projects,
total
contract
value
of
those
alone
are
1.6
billion
dollars.
D
G
Back
the
thing
is
when
I
look
at
when
I
look
at
the
forecast
out
so
many
years,
there's
a
lot
of
round
numbers
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
guesswork
when
you're
going
out
to
22,000
22
mm
22
to
23
they're,
trying
to
make
estimates
on
the
cost
of
these
projects.
It's
it's
a
lot,
I'm
sure,
there's
a
lot
of
upside
rounding
and
and
guesswork.
So
even
with
all
of
that,
and
with
all
the
increases
we're
still
going
to
be
in
a
circle,
we
still
will
not
be
in
a
position
where
we've
depleted
the
reserves.
D
Through
your
mr.
chair,
the
only
thing
that
would
affect
the
reserves
would
be
the
completion
rate,
as
you
mentioned.
If,
if
works
are
deferred
and
you're,
not
spending
that
expected
cash
flow
on
time,
you
will
see
the
decrease.
The
other
variable
is
revenues
as
I
mentioned.
So
if
we
have
greater
revenue,
you
can
contribute
more
to
the
reserve
from
the
standpoint
of
the
numbers
where
you're
saying
they're
padded,
the
estimates
work
both
ways
and
I.
D
Think
this
budget
committee
knows
that
some
of
our
estimates
may
be
undervalued
right
now
and
when
we
complete
detailed
design,
we
actually
have
to
increase
the
cost
of
a
project
because
we
had
under
budgeted
for
it.
So
typically,
what
you're
seeing
is
an
adjustments
project-by-project
so
they're,
not
all
over
padded
there's
some
that
will
be
under
and
they
net
themselves
out
and
that's
what
we've
found
over
the
years.
So
we
give
you
our
best
guess
what
we
do
know
is
those
projects
are
going
forward.
It's
what
will
it?
H
D
Through
mr.
chair,
yes,
we
we
track
our
attendance
and
we
have
an
attendance
management
program
and
we
track
it
aggressively.
We
have
noticed
that
upward
trend
as
well
and
we
do
analyze
it.
What
you
see
is
an
aggregate
of
all
employees
in
what
we.
What
we
tend
to
do
as
well
is
look
at
some,
some
employees
that
have
some
long-term
illnesses
and
we
try
to
net
them
out
to
see.
D
H
D
Managing
part
would
be
fewer
in
the
art
attendance
management
program.
There
are
series
of
escalations
of
letters
if,
if
you're
missing
time
off,
there's
doctors
notes
required.
If,
if
we
don't
have
proper
justification,
there's
escalation
procedure
leading
all
the
way
up
to
potential
termination.
If,
if
we
believe
that
people
are
abusing
their
privileges
taking
time
off,
does.
H
D
D
D
B
A
D
Three
of
mr.
chair
to
you,
mr.
chair
each
percentage
point
drop
in
in
the
recommended
rate
increase,
would
require
us
to
look
at
removing
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
million
dollars
worth
of
capital
over
the
10-year
period.
So
we
would
have
to
go
back
and
readjust
the
10
year
capital
program
and
use
the
priority
setting
matrix.
That
council
has
given
us,
so
we
would
have
to
first
start
reducing
service
improvement
projects
which,
which
those
would
be
based
on
flooding
and
and
what
were
the
flow
projects.
D
We'd
also
have
to
look
at
what
couldn't
be
uncoordinated
because
we
do
have
a
coordinated
program,
particularly
within
the
next
two
to
three
year
period.
We
bundle
it
with
transportation,
we'd
have
to
look
at
keeping
those
on,
and
so
what
then,
would
have
to
drop
off
in
the
near
term.
The
earliest
we
would
look
at
dropping
projects
would
probably
be
about
2020
and
then
that
point
for
it
so
be
about
a
seven
year
window
of
reductions.
We'd
have
to
take
if
it
was
a
1%
drop,
120
million
out
of
that
capital
program.
D
A
D
At
this
pace
and
the
plan,
that's
in
front
of
you
this
this
can
be
funded
this
way
the
variables
always
are
if
projects
are
accelerated
or
if
car
costs
start
to
escalate
considerably.
That's
something
that
we
would
look
at
on
an
annual
basis
and
bring
forward
to
Budget
Committee
and
in
City
Council,
okay,.
A
D
I
I
D
Syria
mr.
chair,
the
way
we've
accommodated.
Excuse
me:
the
introduction
of
the
new
guidelines
is
in
two
ways.
One
way
is
each
of
the
projects
that
go
forward
and
and
they're
the
traditional
projects,
be
they
sewer
water,
mains
or
Road
reconstruction,
and
they
fit
the
the
matrix
that
we
identified
in
in
the
green
infrastructure
standard
if
they
fit
that
we
will
add
the
additional
cost
to
complete
the
green
infrastructure
within
that
particular
capital
project.
The
top
of
that,
though,
we
do.
I
D
I
We
had
an
unprecedented
year
in
terms
of
flooding
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
it's
very
clear.
Now:
we've
had
three
or
four
years
of
climate
change
and
transform
tio
had
contained
within
it
a
set
of
initiatives,
and
could
you
tell
us
how
the
transform
teo
or
climate
change
mitigation
strategies
are
accommodated
in
this
budget.
D
3:30
mr.
chair
on
the
mitigation
front,
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
respect
to
reducing
energy
energy
use
in
in
Toronto
water.
We
have
a
detailed
energy,
optimization
plan
as
if
you
read
the
operating
Allis
notes.
There's
we
describe
the
things
we've
been
doing
or
reducing
our
footprint
on
how
much
energy
we
use
per
megalitre
water.
So
that's
one
key
component
for
Toronto
water.
We
actually
do
more
work
on
the
adaptation
side.
Yes
less
so
on
the
mitigation
and
that's
where
the
basement,
flooding
and
weather
flow
programs
are
specifically
designed
to
invest.
I
There
a
way
for
us
to
identify
very
clearly
what
are
the
initiatives
that
are
climate
change
mitigation
strategies.
I
think
all
of
us
are
very
concerned
about
flooding
in
the
city
of
Toronto
and
I.
Think
other
than
basement
flooding,
wet
weather
flow.
I
understand
is
also
intended
to
stop
combined
sewer
overflows
and
it's
a
pollution
prevention
strategy.
D
I'm
sorry
so,
mr.
chair,
if
I,
understand
the
question
correctly
talking
about
then
lake
levels
and
riverine
flooding,
that's
something
that
lake
on
that
story,
the
trial
water
is
doesn't
have
a
full
jurisdiction
on
that's
the
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority,
as
well
as
the
province
of
Greater
jurisdiction
on
dealing
with
riverine
flooding.
We
do
work
with
them.
So
that's
why
we
wouldn't
report
specifically
on
that
we,
okay,
we
could
coordinate
with
them
a
report,
but
you
would
have
to
ask
TRC
ADA
also
participate
well.
I
D
About
this,
that's
like
45
in
the
in
the
presentation.
Yes,
we
talked
about
it
at
the
last
meeting
that
those
were
submissions
made
to
the
city
and
provided
to
MS
La
Veta
for
for
consideration
as
part
of
the
TRC
a
budget,
there's
been
no
decisions
yet
made
on
whether
those
projects
will
proceed
and
be
funded
and
then
and
with
respect
to
how
you
fund
them
as
well.
D
There's
notations
on
that
slide
that
indicate
that
the
funding
sources
would
be
a
mix
of
property
taxes,
as
well
as
some
from
rate
and
and
those
determinations
haven't
taken
place.
So
all
we
did
was
show
what
the
ask
was.
We
have
yet
to
sit
down
with
them
and
clearly
identify
which
ones
are
true
priorities
and
that
would
occur.
I
believe
when,
when
the
TRC
a
budget
happens
in
January,
February
and.
D
Mr.
chair
we've
got
already
in
the
water
budget
the
TRC
a
standard
funding
as
well
as
extra
money
for
erosion
control,
so
the
ones
that
councils
already
adopted
with
other
separate
reports
that
we
brought
forward
in
previous
years.
If
council
wanted
to
add
additional
projects,
we
would
have
to
consider
it
as
part
of
a
go
forward
plan,
because
any
additions
to
the
capital
program,
as
designed
without
a
change
in
rate
means
we
would
have
to
move
projects
in
and
out
of
our
capital
program
in
order
to
accommodate
it.
Thank.
A
J
Actually,
councillor
Davis
has
questions
with
the
basement
plenty
of
TRCA.
So
in
my
area,
where
we
had
all
that
flooding
where
the
channel
is
at
Weston
and
Humber
Boulevard,
which
we
should
have
been
priority
B,
you
know
the
area
I'm
referring
to
right.
Okay,
so
and
a
lot
of
that
is
TRC
a
so
when
that
flooding
happened
in
2013.
As
you
know,
TRC
a
attended
these
meetings
and
indicated
well,
the
city
is
not
giving
us
the
funding
and
that's
why
we're
not
doing
any
improvements
in
the
area?
J
Lou.
Are
you
listening?
Okay?
So
it's
my
understanding
since
then,
we've
been
increasing
the
water
rates
and
we've
done
EA's,
and
but
yet,
when
I
asked
you
the
question
a
couple
weeks
ago
on
that
particular
area,
you
indicated
to
me:
there's
complications.
So
what
I
don't
understand
why?
Why
doesn't
TRC
a
have
it
in
their
budget?
Why
don't
we
have
it
anywhere
in
the
budget
when
that
that
was
priority.
D
J
D
Major
flood
plain
with
with
homes
and
buildings
there,
the
trial
water
is
completed.
It's
EA
and
the
TRC
a
now
has
also
completed
its
EA,
both
of
those
were
combining
in
a
staff
report,
and
we
expect
to
bring
it
forward
in
January
February
in
2018.
There
are
significant
cost
implications
to
the
solutions
and
we're
gonna
bring
that
forward
in
the
report.
It
is
a
very
complex
area,
as
I
described
to
you
is
you?
Have
the
block
creek
running
right
down
through
with
homes?
D
Very
very
close,
you
have
the
infrastructure
right
in
the
floodplain,
and
so
what
we
had
to
do
is
marry
up
those
two
plans
on
how
to
protect
those
homes
are
they're
using
berms
and
then
what
happens?
If
you
don't
do
that,
work
we'll
if
I,
even
if
I
fix
the
sewers,
would
that
help
those
homes
or
not
so
we're
gonna
report
back
very
detailed
report
coming
in
in
January
February,
specifically
on
that
issue.
Now.
D
D
My
understanding
that
they
have
not
included
all
of
those
those
were
those
costs
in
there
asked
yet
so
they'll
be
more
asked
later
on.
What
do
you
mean
later
on
Wednesday?
Once
the
report
comes
forward,
you
know
that
2018
year
they
will
adjust
their
list
and,
if
counsel
says
proceed
with
them,
they
will
put
it
in
their
their
list
for
the
2019
year.
Oh.
J
D
J
F
D
Through
mr.
chair,
as
I
mentioned
from
a
technical
perspective,
in
order
to
protect
those
homes,
there's
been
extremely
complex
to
come
up
with
solutions,
you
have
homes
that
are
right
in
the
floodplain
and
when
you're
dealing
with
the
storm
level
or
the
regulated
storm
level,
the
the
crest
thing
that
happens
in
order
to
protect
it,
you're
looking
at
infrastructure
or
building
berms,
where
homes
are
now
you're
getting
to
issues
of.
Do
you
expropriate
properties?
G
D
Sorry
they
don't
have
that
statistic
with
me:
I
could
only
go
by
the
number
of
purchase
order,
amendments
that
would
be
required
and
brought
forward
to
committee
and
I
can
tell
you
that
there's
usually
only
a
handful
of
year
that
we
bring
forward
and
and
as
as
opposed
to
the
hundreds
of
projects
we
do
so
I'd
say.
The
percentage
would
be
very,
very
high
that
come
in
within
our
budget
targets
within
your
budget.
D
D
We
always
ask
our
project
engineers
to
close
out
the
projects
and
return
any
unspent
monies
and
every
year
we
do
that
and
the
we
do
generate
10
the
20
million
a
year
that
goes
back
into
the
reserve
right
and
gets
out
it
back
into
the
pot
because
it's
it's
unlocked
and
no
longer
needed
for
those
projects.
So
that's
another
indicator
that
we
look
at
to
show
that
they
stayed
within
budget
okay,
so.
G
When
I,
just
going
back
to
the
the
projected
water
rate,
increases
over
the
next
10
years,
you
know
Toronto
water
is
asking
for
its
asking.
You
know
in
excess
of
inflation
of
inflation
stays
around
2%.
We
don't
know
where
inflation
is
gonna
go
in
these,
so
these
rates
of
course,
can
change
as
inflation
changes,
but
I
gather
they're
made
on
the
assumption
that
inflation
will
be
2
percent,
so
when
every
year
you're
get
you're
asking
for
3
percent.
So
it's
it's
well
over
the
rate
of
inflation
and
is
this?
D
D
It's
taking
the
concept
of
having
the
rate
keep
adding
a
little
bit
more
towards
the
capital
program,
because
we
do
know
that,
as
we
shown
you
over
the
10-year
period,
you're
going
to
be
spending
that
money-
and
we
do
know
that
over
time
the
cost
for
those
projects
are
gonna
go
up
and
there'll
be
new
projects
that
will
come
in
that
we
haven't
even
anticipated.
We've
been
talking
about
them
already
at
this
committee.
So
that's
why
the
3
percent
number
was
was
selected
and
has
been
used
for
planning
purposes.
D
D
3
mr.
chair,
yes,
that
that
was
the
direction
and
the
objective
of
the
9%
program,
so
we've
stayed
focused
to
that
right.
However,
the
other
priorities
that
council
has
given
us
is
to
complete
service
improvement
programs
such
as
basement
flooding
and
wet
weather
flow
and
to
try
to
accelerate
them.
You
also
heard
some
discussion
on
that
right
now,
and
so,
if
you
look
at
our
capital
plan
by
category
slide,
37
as
the
state
of
good
repair
funding
decreases
over
the
10-year
period,
we
take
that
money
and
we
move
it
into
the
service
improvements.
D
G
D
Miss
charity
I
think
you're
referencing,
the
storm
water
shower
water,
that's
right
within
our
within
all
of
these
reports
and
and
in
our
financial
forecast.
No,
there
is
no
okay,
there's
no
storm
water,
comp,
that's
embedded
in
into
the
program
as
as
it
has
been
for
many
years.
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
answers.
Thank.
H
D
H
D
D
There
was
a
very
small
component
for
basement
flooding,
but
it
was
a
minor
component
until
we
had
a
very
large
storm
in
2005,
and
then
we
received
direction
from
Council
to
increase
that
program
dramatically,
and
so
we
did
that
and
we
had
to
reprioritize
the
order
of
work
so
basement
flooding
projects
took
took
a
greater
priority
over
proceeding
with
those
large
projects.
So
in
order
to
fund
it,
we
had
to
move
it
around
in
our
ten-year
plan.
So
basement
flooding
went
ahead
of
it.
That's
the
primary
reason
so.
D
H
You
and
so
I
think
what
you
said
last
time.
If
we
wanted
to
expedite
things
and
I
forget
how
fast
we
could
do
that
we'd
have
to
increase
the
the
water
rates
by
about
5%
additionally
per
year
over
the
next
three
years,
which
is
somewhere
in
the
range
of
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
in
total
correct.
That's.
D
H
And
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
although
when
I
look
at
the
residential
water
cost,
where
we're
in
the
middle,
but
it's
a
very
tight
range,
if
I'm,
not
mistaken,
I
think
we're
about
a
hundred
and
fifteen
dollars
lower
than
the
most
expensive
municipality
and
about
a
hundred
and
thirteen
dollars
higher
than
Hamilton
recognizing.
The
peel
has
stormwater
funded
by
property
taxes
right
that.
D
H
D
Used
the
same
formula
that
we
talked
about
before,
if
you
wanted
to
increase
by
a
percentage
point
on
future
years,
it
would
generate
about
120
to
130
million
dollars
over
that
10-year
period.
So,
if
you
divided,
you
know
bite
by
10,
roughly
they
did
to
add
about
ten
thousand
or
ten
million
dollars
or
a
cash
flow
that
you
could
look
at
to
move
projects
now
who
the
size
of
the
wet
weather
flow
projects,
ten
million
dollar
cash
flow
in
a
year
is
not
that
significant.
H
D
C
D
C
Me
ask
the
question:
is
one
to
get
it
right?
Yeah,
okay!
Well,
you
can,
when
you
in
your
answer
so,
but
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
ask
you
not
for
this
budget
but
preparing
for
next
budget.
What
does
it
take
to
basically
clean
that
up
so
that
we
can
say
Toronto
is
lead-free
in
our
water
system.
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
goal
for
perhaps
next
term
of
council
I'm
wondering
what
you,
what
your
thoughts
are
there,
what
it
would
be?
Mr.
D
Chair
I
know
I
answered.
We
did
bring
a
report
forward
that
actually
modified
the
program
that
slowed
down
the
standalone
LED
program
essentially
eliminated
it,
because
the
science
that
was
coming
out
at
the
time
indicated
that
doing
partial
replacements
would
see
a
short-term
spike
in
lead
levels
in
homes,
so
in
North
America,
why
the
industry
stopped
promoting
the
standalone
program
and
that's
the
only
way
you're
going
to
eliminate
it
more
quickly.
D
What
council's
decided
to
do
is
continue
changing
partials
when
we're
doing
the
water
mains.
Do
it
all
together
when
we're
going
down
the
street
or
if
a
homeowner
chooses
the
change
out
their
service,
the
city
then
is
said
they
would,
they
would
do
their
side.
So
we
have
the
priority
LED
replacement
program
that
we
encourage
people
to
access,
so
so
it
will
take
longer.
There
is
no
way
to
accelerate
it
without
going
back
to
a
standalone
program
of
which
we
wouldn't
recommend
jointly
with
Toronto
Public
Health.
We
work
with
them
and
we
wouldn't
recommend
it's.
D
C
On
the
TRC,
just
so
I
understand
it,
so
they
asked
from
the
TRC
is
26
for
2018
is
26
million
26
and
a
half
million
dollars.
That's
not
in
here
that's
going
to
be
dealt
with
later
and
you're
going
to
basically
or
Josie
through
the
TRC,
a
budget
you're
going
to
say:
okay,
I,
don't
know
it's
not
gonna
be
26,
it'll
be
20
and
we're
gonna
take
ten
from
their
reserves.
I'm
10
from
from
tax
support
is
that
something
like
that
is
that
the
process.
F
Mr.
chair,
the
processes-
yes
we'll
be
looking
at
the
TRC
budget
as
part
of
the
tax
supported
review
process,
we'll
show
you
what
they've
asked
for
above
the
line
and
what's
been
included,
you
know
coming
forward
and
then
we
need
to
chat
about
what's
below
the
line,
but
just
to
be
crystal
clear.
That
list
of
unfunded
items
in
TRC
a
are
not
all
necessarily
related
to
Toronto
water,
yeah.
C
So
you
will
say:
okay,
there's:
this
is
their
list
tier
CA,
but
we
will
fund
that
through
basically
taking
from
their
reserves,
because
we're
not
dealing
with
that
now
for
the
portions
that
we
at
the
end
of
the
day
as
council
say,
are
above
the
line.
Therefore
we
oh,
we
will
have
to
pay
something
for
it
then
you'll
do
an
analysis
say
this
is
the
water
piece
of
it
and
where
will
you
get
that
money
you'll,
take
it
from
their
reserves
right.
F
F
D
Right
now,
in
the
in
what
we're
finding
above
the
line
in
the
trial
water
budget
is
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
million
dollars
over
the
10-year
period,
so
they're
there
they're
already
getting
money
on
the
priority
projects
that
councils
already
identified
and
the
critical
issues
that
that
have
emerged.
So
what
is
missing
from
the
unmet
list
is
the
discussion
of
which
ones
are
truly
critical
projects
and
priority
projects
that
that's
part
of
the
discussion
that
has
to
happen
as
well.
Okay,.
C
D
Who
does
it
through
you,
mr.
chair,
the
that
change
in
the
interdivisional
charge?
It's
actually
it
it's
a
switch
on
who's,
going
to
deliver
a
certain
program
right
now
we
provided
funding
to
transportation
for
catch
basin,
resets
and
and
we're
going
to
transition
and
change
that
program
so
trial.
Water
was
already
funding
it
out
of
a
capital
line-item,
but
we
had
to
show
it
as
an
IDC
and
interactive
art
landfill
charge
to
transportation.
We're
gonna
take
over
and
manage
that
program
ourselves
now,
so
I
need
to
reduce
it.
D
D
C
C
F
C
F
D
F
D
That
we
do
have
then
a
combination.
So
there
is
this
overhead
charge
we're
a
little
unclear
where
what
it
fully
covers.
There
are
other
charges
we
pay.
On
top
of
that,
we're
we're
very
clear:
we've
negotiated
arrangements
for
extra
support
from
legal
services
from
strategic
communication,
those
types
of
Corbett
corporate
entities
and
so
there's
additional
ID
C's
on
top
of
that
number.
So
our
total
ID
C's
in
trial
water
always
are
around
sixty
million
dollar
range,
and-
and
so
so
that's
something
we
do
on
an
annual
basis
is
go
through.
That
list.
C
D
D
There
are
certain
things
that
we
do,
but
I
would
say
it
primarily
works
the
other
way
around
they.
They
approach
us
with
with
their
program
as
set
by
their
board.
We
will
meet
with
them
regularly
and
talk
about
our
joint
priorities,
particularly
in
in
erosion
areas
in
ravines,
and
we
coordinate
a
critical
erosion
sites
between
trial,
water
and
TRC.
A
but
not
often,
this
council
give
them
a
direct
one.
It
does
happen
sometimes
so
I
mean.
D
J
I
understand
that,
but
the
ones
that
involved
we
give
them
the
lists
absolutely.
Yes,
these
are
priority.
That
doesn't
mean
yeah.
We
do
that,
okay,
as
far
as
the
lead
pipe,
we
still
when
it
comes
to
road
resurfacing
in
areas
that
we
give
the
option
to
the
homeowners.
At
the
same
time
when,
when
the
city
is
doing
the
road
resurfacing
to
the
residents,
if
they
want
their
is
done
at
the
same
time,
we
still
do
that
right,
cerium.
D
Is
cherry?
Yes,
that's
the
the
program
and
they
pay
for
it
their
portion
on
those
ones.
Yes,
they
always
pay
for
their
private
portion
yeah.
What
the
city
will
do,
because
it's
led
is
it
will
fund,
then
the
city
portion,
typically
typically,
if
somebody
wants
to
upgrade
their
service
just
because
they
want
to,
and
it's
not
led
they
have
to
pay
for
the
full
cost,
their
private
and
the
city
portion.
But
in
this
case,
because
of
lead-
and
we
want
to
get
it
out
of
the
system
sooner-
the
city's
funding,
its
portion
yeah.
A
Thank
you.
Go
to
actually
I
have
a
couple
questions
myself
and
then
we'll
go
to
you
counselor
Davis
again
it
has
again
I,
guess
the
topic
talking
with
the
TRC
a
budget.
More
specifically
the
Scarborough
waterfront
project.
I
know
this
is
170
million
dollar
asked
unmet
below
the
line
of
course,
either
you
or
Josie
can
you?
Let
us
know
where
that
is
I
know
it's
gone
to
the
board
and,
of
course,
been
approved.
A
F
Chair
I
understand
that
the
TRC
a
is
working
on
a
report
doing
the
the
results
of
the
environmental
assessment
forward.
It's
not
quite
ready
and
I
think
it's
coming
forward
in
February
or
March.
It
requires
sitting
down
with
city
divisions
to
ensure
that
we
understand
what
all
the
components
are
as
it
relates
to
Toronto
water,
transportation
and
parks,
forestry
and
recreation
in.
D
I
D
I
I
Why
does
it
not
have
the
same
status
as
other
budgets,
for
instance,
that
where
we
say
it's
a
legislative
requirement
and
therefore
has
a
high
priority
in
the
water
budget,
because
we
know
that
the
provincial
government
is
and
we
have
legislative
requirements
to
have
a
pollution
prevention
plan
that
we
are
supposed
to
have
implemented
and
we're
contributing
to
the
pollution
in
the
Great
Lakes
and
we're
governed
by
international
agreements
as
well?
How
does
it
just
be?
D
D
I
Okay,
I'm
gonna
ask
more
questions
offline
about
the
Great
Lakes
agreements
and
because
the
longer
we
push
off
this
program
and
not
take
it
seriously
the
longer
we
will
have
our
ravines
and
creeks
and
waterways
smelling
like
sewers
and
acting
like
sewers.
Frankly,
I
did
want
to
ask,
though
mr.
D
Geronimo,
you
said
we
learned
about.
I
We
got
new
public
health
information
and
now
we
know
when
we
break
the
pipes,
there's
a
spike
in
lead
and
that
there
are
health
issues
and
yet
every
single
year
we
go
out
through
our
construction,
regular
construction
projects,
break
pipes
to
replace
a
city
side
only
and
have
no
incentives
to
assist
residents
in
replacing
the
private
side.
Does
that
concern
you
that
thousands
and
thousands
of
those
pipes
are
being
broken
by
us
when
we
replace
our
side
of
the
pipes.
D
Through
mr.
chair,
we
brought
forward
a
report
that
looked
specifically
at
that
issue
and
and
council
decided
not
to
proceed
with
any
incentives.
What
we
do
have
in
place
instead
is
we
provide
a
faucet
filter
every
time
that
we
do
work
to
homeowner
and
as
well,
if
they
need
a
replacement
of
the
filter,
we
provided
an
additional
filter
that
covers
a
period
are
usually
six
months
to
a
year,
which
is
what
the
research
showed.
The
elevated
levels
typically
lost.
So
so
it's
a
mitigation
to
that
that
the
city
is
contributing
to
so.
I
Our
answer
to
give
people
a
filter
instead
of
assisting
them
there
are
other
jurisdictions.
Are
there
not
that
actually
have
tackled
this
issue
of
replacing
and
assisting
the
private
side
replacements
because
they
believe
there
is
a
concern
for
continuing
to
have
broken
pipes
and
private
side
lead
pipes.
I
F
D
Green
Street
one
I
referenced
two
matrices
in
name-o.
Could
we
have
both
the
more
detailed
one?
We
did
provide
a
report
on
it's
in
the
appendix
of
the
green
infrastructure,
one
there's
a
matrix
to
use
there.
It's
respect
to
when
we
prioritize
a
capital
program.
Yes,
that
that's
a
policy
that
we
followed
health.
D
I
Can
can
we
see
how
you're
prioritizing
is
there
a
priority
matrix
that
we
can
see
because
I
think
wet
weather
flow
is
a
priority
and
somehow
it
continues
to
be
identified
as
a
service
improvement
and
we've
continued
to
put
off
the
wet
weather
flow,
not
saying
you've
put
them
off
they're.
Obviously,
the
the
dawn
project
is
going
ahead.
Finally,
after
after
15
years,
but
counsel
you're
at
six
minutes,
so
okay,
can
we
get
the
priority
matrix.
D
G
D
D
A
A
It
has
been
past
practice
to
sometimes
go
to
wrap-up,
but
in
his
all
spent
past
practice
that
if
we
have
all
the
information
we
need,
we
can
make
the
decisions
on
any
of
these
three
rate
based
today.
That
would
be
going
off
to
executive
in
two
or
three
weeks.
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
from
the
committee
on
where
they
are
at
on
this
particular
item
and
the
other
two
at
when
we
get
to
them.
A
C
A
Get
this
I
get
to
Santa
and
first
of
all,
I
respect
the
fact
that
there
are
two
of
our
colleagues
aren't
here,
the
immediate
went.
There
will
be
another
opportunity
for
executive
to
Council
to
to
to
bring
input,
so
I
just
wanted
to
I
mean
and
I
respected
me,
but
but
this
was
a
scheduled
meeting
that
I
think
everyone
knew
we
have
in
the
past
done
this
on
other
other
ones.
It's
just
and
even
in
the
operating
there's,
always
the
wrap-up
there
and
we
use
that
as
if
needed.
A
But
there
has
been
times
where,
once
if
our
business
is
done
and
we're
comfortable
making
a
decision,
we
do
have
that
opportunity
as
part
of
the
process,
so
I
mean-
and
it's
it's
always
been
there.
So
on
that,
then
what
I
suggest
is
that
we
we
go
to
you
to
speaking
on
this
item
and,
of
course,
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
move
motions
and
to
make
a
decision.
So
we
will
go
to
outside
counselors.
A
I
A
A
I
Would
actually
thank
you
very
much
very
much
to
me
that
I
have
some
time
to
speak
there
are.
There
are
two
areas
that
continue
to
concern
me
every
year
in
this
water
budget.
One
of
them
is
our
implementation
of
the
wet
weather
flow
master
plan.
The
wet
weather
flow
master
plan,
as
councillor
Burnside
points
out,
is
to
address
combined
sewer
overflows
that
go
into
our
waterways
right
across
the
City
of
Toronto
and
I.
I
I
will
never
forget
when
the
Ontario
water
keepers
came
and
showed
the
pollution
that
our
creeks,
that's
in
my
community,
that
is
so
valued,
is
crystal
clear
before
it
enters
the
city
boundaries
and
by
the
time
it
enters
the
dawn
river.
It
is
one
of
the
most
polluted
bodies
anywhere
and
that's
as
a
result
of
combined
sewer
overflows.
We
have
pipes
that
every
year,
overflow
and
with
stormwater
surcharging
all
the
time
as
a
result
of
additional
extreme
weather.
This
this
problem
is
worsening.
I
I
Yes,
there
was
basement
flooding
and
so,
as
a
result
of
these
extreme
climate
change,
events
now
is
having
they're
having
an
impact
on
people's
basements
and
I.
Think
it's
important
that
we
understand
as
a
city
what
we
are
doing
to
contribute
to
mitigating
these
severe
weather
events
for
the
future.
We
have
all
seen
the
dawn.
The
dawn,
Valley
Parkway
flooded,
Union
Station
flooded,
subway
stations
flooded.
I
We
have
seen
incredible
events
happen
in
our
city
as
a
result
of
climate
change,
and
it's
going
to
get
worse
and
I
think
we
need,
as
stewards
of
the
city,
to
understand
exactly
how
it
is
that
we're
addressing
it.
The
second
issue
that
still
continues
to
concern
me
and
I
don't
have
a
motion
ready
today,
but
I
will
move
one
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
LEED
water
program.
The
LEED
water
service
replacement
program
did
use
to
have
a
standalone
program
where
we
would
go
out
and
replace
the
pipes.
Mr.
I
D
Geronimo
was
also
right,
though,
that
there
was
no
point
in
going
out
and
breaking
the
pipes
if
the
other
side
of
the
pipe
the
private
portion
was
not
going
to
be
replaced,
but
we
are
doing
that
ourselves.
We
are
breaking
pipes
and
replacing
the
private,
the
public
portions
and
we
say,
don't
worry,
we'll
give
you
a
filter.
I
So
there
are
other
municipalities
who
have
taken
this
more
seriously
than
we
have
and
have
put
resources
and
financial
incentives
in
place
to
encourage
people
to
replace
their
pipes.
It
is
not
an
easy
task
and
I
recognize
that,
but
there
have
to
be
better
ways
to
give
people
better
notice
longer
notice
so
that
they
will
prepare
for
it
and
to
provide
incentives
to
help
them
to
do
it
other
than
that
I
am
that
I
am
concerned
about
the
fact
that
by
2025
our
reserve
will
be
gone
and
we
have
not
got
any
other
way.
I
At
this
point
to
generate
revenue
for
Toronto
water
Council
rejected
a
stormwater
charge
which
in
the
first
year,
was
going
to
be
net
neutral
but
could
have
been
a
source
for
addressing
our
infrastructure
challenges
in
the
city,
and
so
the
only
option
is
to
continue
to
increase
rates
so
cutting
as
Mr
D
Geronimo
said.
Even
a
1%
reduction
is
a
hundred
and
twenty
million
dollar
capital
cut.
We
can't
possibly
reduce
the
rates
that
are
before
us.
A
G
A
motion
that
we'll
just
put
on
the
screen
and
it's
basically
to
say
that
we
it's
courage
its
to
encourage
the
reduction
of
the
increase
from
5%
to
3%.
So
it's
not
it's
not
actually
factual.
That
we
are,
we
will
be
out
of
reserves
by
2025,
because,
typically
in
a
typical
year
in
in
12
of
the
last
16
years,
the
budget
is
under
spent
and
only
four
years
as
the
budget,
the
capital
budget
been
over
spent.
So
I'm
not
satisfied
that
the
sort
of
pro
forma
forecast
going
out
ten
years
are
accurate.
H
C
Sure
I
have
two
motions,
one
is
to
request
and
obviously
I'm
not
gonna,
be
supporting
councillor
Campbell's
motion
the
first.
My
first
motion
is
to
request
the
general
manager
Toronto
are
to
report
the
budget
committee
as
part
of
the
2019
budget
process
on
strategies
to
build
and
maintain
adequate
reserve
levels
and
I
know
folks
have
looked
at
it.
But
if
you
look
at
number
page
number
36,
you
will
note
that
the
reserves
are
are
really
being
depleted
in
the
out-years
20
24,
20,
25
and
maybe
there's
a
way
to
smooth
it
over.
C
Maybe
there's
a
way
to
to
figure
it
out,
but
let's
have
staff
to
do
that
as
part
of
our
due
diligence
as
we
go
into
it
and
hand
over
the
rain
reins
to
a
new
term
of
Council.
So
that's
what
that
is.
I
can't
support
councilor
Campbell's
of
motion
of
reducing
it
to
5
percent
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
prudent,
we've
worked
very
hard
and
we've
been
very
strong
with
our
residents
saying
that
that
we
are
doing
our
best
to
to
build
our
water
infrastructure
and
renew
our
water
infrastructure.
C
Water
is
life,
and
you
want
you
don't
want
to
muck
around
with
this
with
this
budget.
The
way
you've
seen
the
way
frankly,
other
municipalities
have
around
the
world
and
then
find
that
they
have
all
kinds
of
pollutants
inside
poor
maintenance,
water
breaks
and
so
on.
This
is
not
a
budget
that
I'm
hearing
from
residents
saying
that
they
they
want
a
mucker
on
the
second
motion
is
is
a
call
to
the
mic
Layton
motion,
but
you
know
what
I,
just
if
you
could
put
the
other
one
up.
C
C
It's
finished
like
just
it
just
to
me
on
a
principle
level,
doesn't
make
sense
that
you
would,
in
this
environment,
which
is
very
economically
supportive
of
businesses
in
Toronto,
the
the
slides
that
you
have
at
the
end
of
the
slide
deck
show
that
we
are
competitive.
In
fact,
more
than
competitive,
with
surrounding
municipalities,
no
one's
going
to
it's,
not
a
big
kid
faces
in
over
five
years,
so
that
by
the
time
of
2022
it
is
basically
basically
done.
You
know,
I
think
that's!
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thanks.
C
H
A
H
H
You
so
in
terms
of
councillor
mackovic
second
motion:
he
talks
about
economically
the
the
city's
economically
supportive
of
our
industry
with
a
tax
rate
of
three
times
the
residential
rate
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
the
case,
we've
actually
slowed
down,
moving
that
tax
rate
into
line
with
where
it's
actually
mandated.
The
other
point
is
the
comparison
with
GTA
other
GTA
municipalities
in
terms
of
our
our
overall
tax
structure.
The
problem
with
that
is
we're
not
just
competing
with
Richmond
Hill
we're
competing
with
Buffalo
we're
competing
with
actually
the
rest
of
North
America.
H
So
I
can't
support
that
one
in
terms
of
councillor
Campbell's
motion
I
actually
agree
with
some
of
what
he's
saying,
but
the
problem
is
so
if
there
is
more
money-
and
these
are
generous
estimates,
the
problem
is
we're
25
years
away
from
cleaning
up
our
the
water
that
we're
the
combined
sewer
system
that
we're
all
that
affluent
that's
going
into
our
streams.
So
we
need
that
extra
money.
It
needs
to
go
into
the
nation
of
these
combined
sewers.
So
I
cannot
support
councillor
Campbell's
motion
either.
Thank
you.
A
Any
of
the
councillors
to
speak
I
will
speak
quickly,
myself.
First
I
want
to
thank
glue
and
and
and
your
entire
team
and
finance
for
bringing
this,
even
though
we
seem
to
be
speaking
about
it
fairly
quickly
in
making
decisions,
there's
been
incredible
amount
of
work
that
has
gone
on
with
the
water
budget.
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
that.
A
A
The
incredible
increases
that
nine
percent
over
nine
years,
two
percent
of
eight
percent
increases
we
are
now
down
to
the
second
year
of
five
percent
increases,
so
I
understand
the
burden
on
on
tax
payers
and
just
regular
folk
who
have
to
to
deal
with
with
those
increases
in
water.
But
on
the
other
side,
we
are
seeing
the
results
out
in
the
city
we're
seeing
those
results
and
the
the
work
that
is
happening
on
I
would
say
almost
every
street
in
our
Ward.
A
A
And
again,
when
you
look
at
the
ten-year
plan,
those
reserves
will
be
dropping
down
to
almost
zero
in
a
number
of,
and
any
change
to.
That
will
have
a
huge
impact
on
our
ability
to
to
fix
and
continue
to
maintain
that
important
infrastructure.
So,
unfortunately,
even
though
I
understand
and
appreciate
the
sentiment
from
councillor
Campbell
I
wish
I
could
support
moving
down
to
3%
because
it
I
think
it's
needed
out
there.
I
will
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendations
of
5%,
so
we
have
motions
now
counselor.
A
Does
this
quick
did
to
get
the
the
motion
that
you
wanted
me
to
move
on?
Your
behalf
was
that
the
one
that
councillor
Burnside
did
or
was
that
a
separate
okay,
so
so
I
really
and
I
apologize
I
should
have
moved
this
at
the
very
beginning,
but
I
will
be
I'd
like
to
move
on
behalf
of
Council
Davis
request
the
general
manager,
if
we
could
maybe
put
it
up
on
the
record.
A
A
K
A
Okay,
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
my
screen
is
not
working
here.
So,
okay,
the
last
one,
is
mine.
Yeah
on
behalf
of
counselor
Davis
I
just
want
to
put
it
up
in
the
screen
quickly.
There
we
go.
Okay,
all
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried
recommendations
as
amended
all
in
favor
opposed
that
carries
there.
We
go
the
water
and
the
water
rate
base
is
done.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
A
K
A
K
I
I
can
say
it's
it's
interesting.
I
looked
at
my
deputation
from
last
year
and
I
have
a
lot
of
the
same
things
to
say,
but
I
also
have
some
good
news
so
I
know.
Last
year,
I
had
been
urging
this
budget
committee
in
this
council
to
look
more
at
enforcement
and
to
increase
enforcement
as
a
key
part
of
education
to
increase
waste.
K
As
many
of
you
may
remember,
this
70
percent
target
was
initially
set
for
2010,
so
this
is
16
years
behind
our
initial
target
of
70%
diversion
and
we're
still
I,
don't
think
we'll
make
it
at
this
rate.
I
believe
that's
because
this
budget
does
not
make
the
immediate
capital
investments
that
are
needed
and
that
the
long-term
waste
strategy
needs
to
move
more
quickly
in
the
capital
budget.
It's
noted
that
the
long
term
my
strategy
is
being
delayed.
K
K
Getting
organics
out
of
the
garbage
can
have
the
greatest
impact
on
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
Toronto's
anaerobic
digesters
are
being
fitted
for
biogas
capture
right
now
they
will
be
creating
renewable
natural
gas
and
a
possible
revenue
stream
as
soon
as
next
year
to
get
organics
out
of
the
garbage.
We
need
to
ensure
that
every
resident
in
Toronto
has
access
to
green
bins
and
that
multi
residential
properties
have
the
right
incentives
and
tools
to
manage
organics
at
their
buildings.
K
So
I
know
that
the
general
manager
of
solid
waste
hasn't
mentioned
that
we
need
to
level
the
playing
field,
so
customers
from
multi
rez,
don't
just
leave
city
service
and
have
no
organics
that
recycling
requirements
right
now.
That's
that
means
a
lot
of
residents
in
Toronto.
Don't
have
access
to
green
bins
and
don't
have
good
recycling
services.
We
think
every
resident
should
have
equal
access
to
organics.
K
We
also
think
that
Toronto,
most
importantly,
needs
the
capacity
to
process
these
materials
process.
Organics,
sorry,
based
on
statistics.
From
last
year,
Toronto
collected
144,000
tons
of
organics
in
the
green
bin.
That's
up
by
12,000
tons
from
the
year
before
the
city
only
has
enough
capacity
to
process
130,000
tons.
So
right
now
we
don't
have
enough
capacity
to
process
the
organics
that
are
collected
in
the
green
bin,
and
that
actually
is
a
gross.
K
Underestimate
waste
audits
consistently
show
that
35
percent
or
more
of
what
is
going
in
Toronto's
landfill
in
the
garbage
is
actually
organics
that
could
have
gone
to
the
green
bin.
If
we
look
at
all
the
organics
that
people
are
putting
in
the
garbage,
that
is
another
190,000
tons
of
organics,
that
we
should
be
composting,
not
landfilling.
K
This
is
more
urgent.
Now
than
ever,
the
Ontario
government
has
announced
that
it
will
be
banning
the
disposal
of
organics
in
landfill
in
some
manner
by
2021
the
province
plans
to
make
organics
diversion
requirements
for
all
cities
and
for
non-residential
buildings.
So
this
means
in
the
next
few
years
the
demand
for
organics
processing
capacity
in
Ontario
will
skyrocket.
Every
other
city
is
going
to
be
looking
at
where
to
send
the
organics,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
Toronto
has
a
secure
place
to
send
it.
K
C
K
Yeah
I
could
I
could
do
the
math
with
some
calculations,
but
I
think
the
total
amount
of
waste
that
tronto
sending
to
landfill
right
now
is
run
four
hundred
and
ninety
thousand
or
maybe
five
hundred
thousand
tonnes
of
waste.
And
if
you
took
two
hundred
thousand
tonnes
out
of
that,
then
we
would
definitely
be
meeting
our
target
much
faster.
So.
C
And
that's
your
big
ass
from
an
environmental
perspective.
You
think
that
that's
the
biggest
bang
for
a
buck-
that's
not
being
met
in
this
particular
budget,
has
to
do
with
the
adding
a
another
anaerobic.
They
just
died
jester
so
their
health
to
the
waste
stream
and
capturing
and
getting
beyond
70
percent.
Absolutely
great.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
I
We
worked
very
hard
on
developing
a
long-term
waste
strategy
and
I
thought
that
there
was
going
to
be
some
kind
of
an
annual
report
have,
and
you
were
on
the
Advisory
Committee
I
guess
one
is
that
Advisory
Committee
still
functioning
or
some
form
of
it
and
is
there
have,
is
have
have.
We
had
an
annual
report
I'm
going
to
add
staff
that
yes,
but.
K
I
K
I
I
The
what
I
continue
to
see
in
the
the
high-rise
buildings
is
that
they
are.
They
are
not
making
very
significant
and
structural
changes
to
make
it
easier
for
residents
to
Greenman
and
I
know.
We
had
that
one
example
in
Scarborough
that
everyone
went
out
to
see
and
they
had
a
very
committed
superintendent
and
a
board
of
their
condo,
and
they
were
able
to
increase
the
diversion
and
save
money,
and
it
was
a
huge
success
story,
and
then
we
had
the
mayor's
challenge
and
we've
been
trying
to
identify
success
stories.
K
There
actually
are
some
other
buildings.
There's
there's
a
great
star
article
about
a
building
in
Etobicoke
that
did
a
similar
thing
in
terms
of
converting
their
garbage
chute
on
organics.
Only
chute
and
they've
had
great
success.
I
know:
city
staff
are
working
on
projects
to
look
more
like
to
take
the
lessons,
learn
from
the
towering
challenge
and
see
how
they
can
roll
that
out
to
other
buildings.
K
So
there
are
efforts
there,
but
one
of
the
big
things,
that's
really
undermining
any
efforts
to
increase
your
version
with
multi
res
buildings
is
that
right
now,
multi
browse
buildings
can
just
leave
the
city
system
right.
They
can
just
go
to
a
private
waste
hauler,
who
probably
doesn't
require
them
to
recycle
too
much.
We
require
them
to
do
organics
collection,
and
so
that
means
that
those
residents
in
those
buildings
now
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
or
access
that
environmental
service.
I
K
A
very
it's
not
a
great
system
and
it's
being
revised,
but
that's
one
of
the
great
reasons
why
you
know.
In
a
few
weeks,
city
staff
will
be
reporting
to
the
Public
Works
Committee
on
their
initial
consultations,
with
the
IC
I
sector
and
multi
rector
rolling
out
rules,
so
that
everyone
would
have
to
collect
recycling
in
organics,
and
we
think
that's
a
great
move,
because
the
average
person
in
Toronto
totally
supports
that
they
think
that's
great.
We
did
a
quick
poll
on
the
street
and
people
like,
of
course,
that's
unreasonable
that
you
know.
K
Restaurants
can
throw
food
in
the
garbage
when
they
should
be
composting.
So
people
want
to
see
those
rules.
I
think
it
would
reduce
contamination
in
the
city
system
and
it
would
make
things
a
lot
easier
for
most
people
and
it
would
help
us
meet
our
greenhouse
gas
emission
target
reductions.
So
I
think
it's
great
if
the
city
can
really
move
forward
and
ensure
that
we
have
the
same
rules
for
everyone.
Great.
A
C
L
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
yes,
we
probably
could
get
there,
but
we're
also
doing
things
through
the
long
term
strategy
that
will
actually
reduce
our
diversion
rate
and
that's
a
good
thing,
any
of
the
food
waste
reduction
programs
that
we're
trying
to
implement
where
people
actually
produce
less
organic
waste
in
the
first
place
that
will
actually
bring
our
diversion
rate
down.
L
So
that's
one
of
the
big
challenges
we
have
with
a
diversion
right
now
is:
we
are
actually
managing
more
recycling
year
over
year,
we're
diverting
more
and
more
recycling,
but
it's
becoming
lighter,
for
example,
so
diversion
is
measured
by
tonnes
if
the
material
you're
diverting
consistently
gets
lighter
you're,
actually
we're
actually
managing
more
and
it's
showing
like
we're
doing
less
and
it's
the
same
with
food.
The
best
option
for
for
managing
food
waste
is
not
to
produce
it.
In
the
first
place,.
L
C
So
the
of
the
pile
that
we
are
actually
dumping
in
near
London,
how
much
of
that
are
there
any?
Well
really,
my
I
have
two
questions.
One
is:
are
there
any
quick
wins
that
we
could
do
if
we
were
to
direct
you
to
do
some
quick
wins
around
multi
rez
for
2018?
It's
not
a
possibility
to
increase
our
diversion
rate
so.
L
Through
you,
mister
chair,
the
the
quickest
wayne
right
now
is
to
reduce
our
contamination
and
actually
making
sure
that
the
material
that
we're
collecting
is
quality
material.
That
can
be
diverted
and
we're
going
quite
aggressive
on
that
already
and
then
the
second
piece
is
getting
more
organics
out
of
the
waste
stream
and
that's
again
something
our
city.
Customers
have
access
to
organics
programs.
We
need
to
now
get
more
aggressive
to
make
sure
that
they
are
actually
using
those
organics
problems.
Problem.
Okay,.
L
You
mister
chair,
yes,
in
terms
of
actually
rolling
the
programs
out.
No,
these
are
programs,
we've
already
got
ongoing
and
we
can
certainly
report
back
on
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
the
financial
implications.
Organics
management
is
our
most
expensive
stream
to
manage
so
the
more
material
we
put
into
the
organic
stream,
the
more
our
operating
costs
will
will
increase.
So.
C
L
That
that
is
three
mr.
chair,
that
is
written
into
our
long-term
strategy,
those
different
options
and
how
we
could
certainly
fast
track
some
of
the
stuff
we
could.
We
could
add
that
in
a
note
for
you
and
then,
but
also
outline
the
cost
implications
that,
if
you
have
divert
an
extra
ten
thousand
tons
of
organics,
here's
the
additional
operating
cost.
That
will
also
experience
and.
C
L
Through
you,
mister
chair,
we're
actually
bringing
a
later
this
month.
The
public
works
that
we'll
look
at
a
third
anaerobic
digestion
facility.
We've
already
started
some
discussions
on
moving
that
project
forward
and
so
that
that
project
is
already
underway
moving
it
forward.
It's
in
our
I
believe
2027
capital
timeframe
right
now,
so
it's
just
outside
that
ten
years
it
could
take
anywhere
from
six
to
eight
to
nine
years
to
go
through
the
permitting
and
siting
process.
L
C
H
You
just
to
follow
up
on
your
comment
about
a
quick
win
and
one
of
the
quickest
wins
would
be
to
reduce
contamination.
Correct,
that's
correct,
so
you
know
where
I'm
going
with
that.
Yes,
II
have
nothing
if
not
predictable
right.
So
it
was
unclear
to
me
why,
in
your
toolbox
of
tricks
as
it
were,
why
charging
people
was
not
in
that
toolbox.
H
L
Through
you,
mr.
chair
on
the
single
family
side,
we
haven't
gone
that
route.
Yet
what
we
have,
we
were
taking
basically
a
progressive
approach
where
we
first
of
all
notify
them
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
change
the
second
time.
We
will
actually
push
the
material
back
and
refuse
to
collect
it,
and
we
are
that's
the
stage
the
word
right
now
and
we're
actually
seeing
some
pretty
good
results.
We're
seeing
that
bin
being
set
out
the
next
week
with
less
material
in
it.
L
L
There's
so
there's
two
different
options:
there's
an
option
within
the
bylaw
that
we've
got
today,
which
is
an
hourly
cleanup
fee
which
we
have
applied
in
up
around.
We
worked
with
councilor
prudes
up
around
New
York
University,
where
there
was
a
just
a
terrible
mess
and
somewhere
some
of
the
students
were
living
and
we
charged
an
hourly
fee
to
go
in
and
clean
up
the
area
and
that
was
allocated
to
each
of
the
residences
in
the
area
that
contributed
to
the
problem
and
that
worked
really
well.
L
So
we
worked
with
the
councilor
locally
to
do
that,
and
and
we
really
were
able
to
clean
up
the
area.
The
other
option
that
we
have
is,
and
what
we've
been
talking
about,
is
a
cost
recovery
fee
which
is
outside
of
the
bylaw.
But
essentially
what
we
do
is
assess.
What
is
the
cost
of
actually
collecting
and
processing
that
blue
the
contents
of
that
blue
bin
that
have
contamination
in
it,
and
then
we
would
actually
levy
that
cost
back,
essentially
as
an
invoice
to
the
resident
who
produced
that
material
in
the
first
place.
L
H
Guess,
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
the
hesitation
to
get
to
that
third
one.
Given
the
history
I
mean
I've
only
been
here
three
years,
but
what
I've
seen
the
history
of
urban
forestry
where
they
you
know
they
come
out
and
they
say
please,
you
know,
put
your
put
your
barrier
back
up
and
then,
when
they
don't,
then
it's
another
warning
and
like
at
some
point
all
these
warnings
are
just.
There
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
hammer
in
my
opinion,
and
we
we
see
that
with
Toronto
building.
H
In
fact,
they've
we've
seen
them
now
adopt
a
strategy
where
they
have
said
to
Council.
We
are
actually
have
more
tools
now,
where
we
can
just
go
out
and
charge,
because
people
generally
know
that
they're
gonna
get
a
free
free
pass.
The
first
time
does
this
not
just
seem
like?
Does
it
not
make
sense
to
actually
have
that
ability
right
away
through.
L
You,
mr.
chair,
it
makes
sense
to
me
to
have
the
ability
what
working
on
and
why
we're
taking.
One
of
the
reasons
why
we're
taking
a
progressive
approach
is
what
we
don't
want
to
have
happen
is
if
we
get
too
aggressive
on
the
contamination
side
on
the
recycling,
is
that
what
residents
will
do
is
say,
I
know
that
the
Pepsi
can
and
a
Pepsi
plastic
water
bottle,
or
a
plastic
water
bottle
or
recyclable.
I'm
gonna
throw
those
in
the
blue
bin
I'm,
not
quite
sure
about
anything
else.
L
I'm
gonna,
throw
it
all
in
the
garbage
and
that's
what
we
don't
want
to
have
happen.
So
that's
why
we're
we're
taking
a
you
know:
it's
quasi
enforcement
action
by
pushing
it
back,
but
leading
heavily
still
with
education
to
make
sure
that
we,
what
we
want
to
see
is
the
behavior
change,
that's
sustainable
and
we
believe
that
getting
people
to
do
it
for
the
right
reasons
is
much
more
sustainable
than
fining
people,
occasionally
for
doing
the
wrong
thing.
Okay,.
H
H
L
L
J
Now,
as
far
as
then,
count
to
burn
site
is
question
about
some
of
the
the
residents
and
that
are
are
not
being
charged
and
they
continue
what
we
did
that
walkabout
right,
okay,
so
what?
If
they
don't?
We
can't
educate
them.
I
mean
you
can
do
what
you
want
their
tenants.
They
have
absentee
landlords
most
of
the
time
they
don't
care,
they're,
just
throwing
everything
in
one
bin
and
the
city
is
picking
it
up.
L
You
mr.
chair,
yes,
I,
do
and
and
the
example
that
I
gave
about
around
New
York
University
townhomes,
that's
exactly
what
we
did
and
what
we
stopped
doing
was
dealing
with
the
tenants,
the
the
students
for
the
most
part
that
we're
living
in
those
homes
and
we
started
dealing
directly
with
the
landlords
so
that
the
penalty
was
actually
applied
against
the
owner
of
the
property
or
the
landlord
of
the
property
to
bring
to
their
attention
that
this
is
an
issue
and
essentially
forced
them
to
have
to
do
all
this.
J
J
L
It's
through
you,
mr.
chair,
those
are
those
are
some
of
the
logistics
we're
working
out
right
now.
What
I,
don't
want
to
see
is
applying
a
charge
as
a
financial
penalty,
but
it's
also
an
education
opportunity,
and,
if
you,
if
you
just
tack
it
into
the
water
bill,
I
don't
want
it
to
disappear.
I
want
them
to
understand
that
this
was
levied
for
a
particular
reason.
Okay,.
J
L
J
L
J
As
far
as
the
multi
razz,
so
the
newer
buildings
that
are
being
built,
high-rise
that
they're
designed
and
built
that
they
have
a
separate
recycling
room
and
right
so
they
can
recycle
right.
I
mean
most
of
the
all
the
new
buildings
that
are
being
built
or
built
that
way.
But
the
problem
we
have
is
these
older
buildings
right
that
a
month
that
they
don't
have
the
facility?
J
They
don't
have
storage
bins,
so
they're,
not
recycling,
because
they
don't
have
anywhere
to
encourage
the
the
tenants
and
that,
and
so
they
refused
to
do
it
because
they
don't
have
the
the
room
for
that.
So
what
about
those
buildings
like?
How
can
we
help
those
older
buildings
that
cannot,
as
they
don't
have
the
facility
to
do
it.
L
So
through
you,
mr.
chair,
it's
it's
really
a
building
by
building
basis,
and
that's
why
it
takes
so
long
is
we
we
really
have
to
go
building
by
Burling
will
work
with
the
residents
of
the
building
this,
the
superintendent,
the
property
managers,
some.
What
some
of
our
best
performing
buildings
are
actually
old
single
chute
buildings,
but
they
found
different
ways
to
either
modify
the
chute
with
technology
to
convert
an
existing
room,
a
storage
room
that
they
have.
L
J
A
Any
other
questions
just
might
have
a
quick
question
so
and
and
the
deputy
and
brought
it
up
mr.
Kay
about
the
our
capacity
to
process
organics.
So
what
sort
of
where
we
went
annex
and
processing
them?
How
much
goes
to
the
landfill?
How
do
we
you
just
give
me
some
more
specifics
on
the
organic
say
we
process
right.
L
So
we
we
manage
roughly
140,000
tons
of
organics
a
year.
We've
got
two
anaerobic
digestion
facilities,
the
disco
Road
facility
that
operates
at
75,000
tons
a
year
and
then
the
Dufferin
organics
processing
facility,
which
is
actually
down
for
construction,
it's
being
expanded
up
to
55,000
tons.
Both
those
facilities
will
be
fully
operating
at
the
end
of
next
year.
L
That's
still
with
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
tons
total
that
still
gives
us
about
a
ten
thousand
ton
a
year
gap
that
we
don't
have
for
our
own
processing
capacity,
where
we
go
to
the
marketplace
and
right
now,
because
Dufferin
is
down,
we've
got
three
different
contracts
with
three
different
private
sector
operators
to
process
that
material.
There
is
a
shortage
of
organics
processing
capacity
in
Ontario
right
now
and
is
the
the
delegate
from
T
mentioned.
The
province
is
looking
at
an
organics
ban
across
the
province.
L
A
L
A
A
A
A
L
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
we're
looking
at
bringing
forward
a
report
in
February
that
will
provide
a
complete
update
on
all
the
new
provincial
legislation
coming
out
and
that,
because
that's
all
tied
to
what
we
were
able
to
achieve
through
the
City
of
Toronto
amendment
active
amendments
as
well,
so
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
package
it
up
into
one
report.
So
you're
not
going
to
see
the
full
concept
of
what
we're
gonna
do.
What
the
province
is
proposing
to
do.
Okay,.
L
L
L
I
Think
I've
requested
a
half
year
reports
at
least
okay,
great
and
you're,
including
the
sanctions
options.
Whatever
I
want
to
ask
about
the
rates
for
the
BIA
s,
I'm
struggling
on
the
user
fee
chart
to
find
what
are
the
changes
that
will
affect
the
BIA
and
the
yellow
bag
program
because
there's
a
column,
that's
called
other
adjustments
in
a
whole
bunch
of
them.
I
can't
tell
why
what
those
other
adjustments
are
for
over
and
above
inflation,
and
what
it's
based
on.
L
So
we
yes,
there's,
there's,
there's
sort
of
the
general
rates
or
the
the
more
common
rates
for
a
single
family,
multi
residential
and
then
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
other
customer
types
that
we
have
and
each
one
has
a
different
type
of
rate.
What
we've
done
through
a
rather
sophisticated
model
rate
model
that
we've
done
as
understand
what
the
costs
are
by
customer
can.
I
I
I
This
is
what
I
don't
understand.
We
want
our
small
businesses
along
our
commercial
strips
to
recycle
and
to
green
bin,
and
we
are
going
to
increase
them.
5.2
percent
I
know
what's
going
to
happen,
they
are
going
to
leave
the
program.
So
are
there
ways
that
we
can
like
I'm,
just
not
really
comfortable
with
5.2%?
For
them?
Can
we
adjust?
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
look
at
adjusting
the
large
industrial
slightly?
That
would
then
alleviate
the
increase
in
the
small
commercial
so
that
there's
some
rebalancing
I'm
not
saying.
I
I
L
L
F
F
C
L
J
L
Is
in
place
it
dependent
on
when
they
applied,
because
it
did
from
approval
through
the
council
process
for
the
17
budget
to
actually
getting
the
fee
in
place
and
being
able
to
levy
that
fee
and
all
the
the
process
around
being
able
to
do
that.
They
may
very
well
have
already
applied
for
the
fee
and
for
anybody
who
had
already
applied
and
gotten
their
permit.
We
didn't
retro
actively
charge
them
the
fee.
J
G
L
L
L
A
L
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
so
we
now
have
an
executives
overall
summary
posted
of
the
long-term
strategy
on
the
website.
What
we'll
do
on
an
annual
basis
now,
once
the
year
closes
and
all
our
numbers
are
in,
we
will
now
start
providing
an
annual
update
on
the
status
of
implementation
of
the
strategy.
Our
what
we
need
is
the
actual
data
for
tonnage
and
when
we
do
the
the
auditing
and
accounting
of
all
the
tonnage
flow,
which
is
around
sort
of
February
March
timeframe.
I
L
You,
mr.
chair,
we
don't
have
a
general
advisory
group
that
would
advise
on
all
activities,
but
we
do
set
up
individual
topic,
specific
groups
that
we
go
out
and
consult
with.
We
just
set
one
up
with
the
ICN
I
community,
we're
in
the
process
of
setting
up
a
multi
residential
advisory
group
right
now
to
deal
specifically
with
multi
residential
issues.
So
we
do
it
more
on
a
on
a
customer
or
topic
specific.
L
L
You,
mr.
chair,
yes,
we
get
requests
regularly
to
start
picking
up
from
Lane
ways
and
we
deal
with
those
on
a
laneway
by
lane
way
basis
and
do
an
assessment
as
to
whether
we
can
get
in
or
not
I,
don't
know
of
any
right
now
or
very
few
that
we
can
actually
get
into
there's
two
primary
issues
with
lane
way:
collection.
One
is
access.
A
lot
of
these
Lane
ways
are
narrow,
there's
low
hanging
wires.
The
access
egress
points
are
very
difficult
for
a
truck
to
get
into.
L
We
have
a
policy
that
we
do
not
back
up
down
a
lane
way
or
down
a
roadway,
and
that's
for
safety
reasons,
and
a
lot
of
these
Lane
ways
are
actually
dead
and
at
one
end,
that's
when
we
were
with
councilman
zyada.
That
was
the
challenge
with
her
laneway.
So
it's
a
combination
of
simple
access
into
that,
but
also.
L
C
Thank
you,
I
have
a
one
motion
and
it
is
in
the
spirit
of
trying
to
advance
our
diversion,
and
it
seems
like
it's
something
that
staff
is
doing
and
I
think
we
want
to
let
the
encourage
them
in
that
direction.
So,
if
there
are
any
basically
it's
to
report,
the
executive
committee
on
options
to
enhance
Thai
version
rates
in
the
short
term
for
2018
and
the
second
one
is,
is
more
on
the
long
term
strategy.
C
C
It's
part
of
the
budget.
This
is
the
budget
side
of
it.
Not
the
program
at
they
are
reporting
on
the
anaerobic
digestion.
Juror
that
we
want
to
do
in
early
2018
is
what
the
answer
to
my
question
to
him
was
so
that
part
is
going
so
now
on
the
budget
side,
we're
asking
him
to
report
through
the
budget
side
on
what
that
is
going
to
cost
and
how
to
how
to
do
that
as
quickly
as
possible.
That's
the
second
one,
but
the
first
one.
It
really
needs
a
sorry.
C
A
Think
we
can
do
that
yeah,
any
other
speakers
well
just
quickly.
I
want
to
thank
Jim
and
you
team
for
the
work
you
did
and
I
think
it's
sort
of
from
my
perspective
other
than
the
diversion
recycling,
the
contamination.
That
seems
to
be
where
the
big
impetus
and
conversation
will
be
and
I'm
sure
it'll
happen
at
executive
and
that
at
Council.
But
you
said
it
in
in
your
summary.
A
When
you
came
to
us
last
week:
no
new
fees,
no
changes
to
service
levels,
no
new
permanent
FTEs,
we
requested
recommended
rate
below
the
rate
of
inflation
and
your
general
waste
reserve
is
sufficient
for
future
capital
needs
so
that
pretty
much
says
it
from
my
perspectives,
I'll
be
supporting
their
recommendations
on
favor
opposed.
That's
carried!
Oh
sorry,
you
know
what
I
apologize!
We
have
to
do
that
I.
Just
we
forgot
all
about
council,
so
council
may
have
expulsion.
You
want
well,
let's,
let's
all
in
favor
of
accounts.
C
A
note
here,
mr.
chair
and
you
know,
I've
got
a
motion
to
that
effect.
I
got
I,
don't
have
really
anything
on
this,
but
we
just
got
a
note
on
the
revenue
impacts
of
community
councils
on
Toronto
parking
authority,
suggesting
that
we're
losing
half
a
million
dollars
from
construction
staging
areas.
Did
you
see
it
so
my
my
request
is:
is
only
that
we
ask
Taft,
maybe
you
could
put
it
on
the
on
the
board.
C
A
C
Well,
I
know
they
only
just
saw
it.
I
just
went
to
the
side,
but
Andy.
Do
you
have
any
comments
on
this
I'm?
Not
even
sure
I
know
you
haven't
totally
absorbed
it
yet
the
revenue
impacts
of
community
councils
on
Toronto
parking
authority.
It
suggests
that,
on
page
four
or
five
of
the
report
that
we
charge
them,
5.6
million,
but
our
real
loss
of
revenue
is
6.1
million,
and
so
we
lose
half
a
million.
C
E
My
understanding
is
that
there
is
somebody
from
Transport
Asian
on
their
way
to
address
this,
perhaps
in
more
detail,
I
believe
that
there
has
been
a
change
in
the
fees
in
the
past
couple
of
years.
That
was
looking
at
full
cost
recovery
for
revenues
on
this
and
I
believe
also,
there
is
a
lag
in
terms
of
when
the
report
may
have
been
adopted
and
when
the
actual
construction
takes
place.
E
C
F
C
H
E
Believe
what
the
what
these
numbers
tell
us
is
that,
in
terms
of
the
other
years,
we
had
a
number
of
staff
that
were
on
the
short-term
disability
plan
so,
for
example,
2014,
2016
and
2017
that
ended
up
going
on
Ltd
and
those
numbers.
Those
situations
actually
skewed
the
numbers.
So
in
2015
we
had
less
of
that
embedded
in
that
number.
E
H
G
G
C
A
A
A
A
A
By
count,
my
challenge
is,
is
we
are
now
making
decisions
and
putting
in
numbers
and
I
still
don't
have
any
Ashura
tease
that
that
number
of
the
coming
in
that'll
have
a
huge
impact
on
our
ability
to
provide
the
service
with
the
bike
share
in
phantom
weenie
again
something
by
council
or
executive,
which
is
before
the
end
of
the
year?
Yes,.
E
We've
been
fairly
conservative
about
the
revenues
in
terms
of
what
we're
expecting
for
the
eighteen
budget
and
again
we
are
quite
advanced
in
the
discussion.
So
all
I
can
say
is
that
we
are
confident
that
we
will
be
coming
forward
within
the
next
month
with
something
and,
if
not,
we'll
have
to
report
back
in
terms
of
what
we
do
from
there.
Okay.
A
That
again,
sure
you
be
available
during
council
to
give
us
an
update,
absolutely
okay.
Thank
you.
Any
other
questions.
Seeing
none
speakers
to
the
item,
I
think
we're
good
I'm.
Fine
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
on
the
favor
opposed.
What
are
you
doing?
A
post,
no
long,
favor,
oh
favorite,
pose
that's
carried.