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City Council, meeting 39, April 27, 2018 - Part 2 of 2
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B
And
it's
it
speaks
for
itself.
It
asked
the
council
to
request
the
landowner
to
organize
the
public
information
meeting
prior
to
the
board
meeting
in
on
May
22nd
and
to
have
the
property
owner
pay
for
all
of
the
costs
associated
with
it
and
I
do
want
to
say
to
my
colleagues,
many
of
whom
have
probably
been
put
in
the
same
position
as
I
have
I
have
experienced.
A
B
It's
a
application,
that's
been
in
various
forms
for
10
years.
In
its
most
recent
form,
it
came
forward
and/or
previous
form.
We
had
a
settlement
at
the
board
and
we
worked
very
hard
with
the
community
to
get
support
for
that
settlement
at
the
board
and
the
applicant
decided
that
that
was
not
satisfactory
to
them
any
longer
and
filed
another
application
in
which
we
have
a
refusal
report
that
has
now
been
appealed
to
the
board
and
I
have
to
say
this
process
that
has
brought
us
to
a
place
where
we
have
new
directions
on
purple
paper.
B
That
leaves
the
community
completely
out
of
any
involvement
in
what
is
before
us
and
this
process
that
lacks
transparency
and
fairness.
I
know,
all
of
you
have
experienced
it
before
and
I
have
to
say
that
I
will
not
be
voting
for
what
is
before
us,
and
not
only
because
the
process
that
forces
our
staff
and
us
to
make
a
decision
at
the
11th
hour
before
a
board
hearing
on
something
that
is
significant
in
the
community
is
unacceptable.
B
A
C
A
M
B
A
A
E
Thank
You
speaker
just
some
questions
of
staff.
I've
heard
some
comments
around
possible
widespread
issues
within
the
investigation
component.
Can
you
can
you
comment?
First
of
all
on
when
you
hear
general
complaints
like
that,
do
you
have
investigative
techniques
you
might
want
to
employ
like
reaching
out
to
see
if
there
are
any
specific
complaints
or
internal
ways
that
you
might
want
to
test
that.
O
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
sir,
so
we
take
all
the
concerns
seriously.
Absolutely
we
have
opened
the
door
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
come
forward
by
any
means
available
to
them
or
they'd
willing
to
be
to
give
us
further
information
for
us
to
investigate
more
more
completely.
Having
heard
the
concerns,
we
are
reviewing
the
manner
in
which
we've
been
conducting
our
investigations
in
this
in
the
inspections
of
these
premises.
If
there
are
indications
that
a
further
review
of
conduct
needs
to
be
undertaken,
it
will
absolutely
be
undertaken.
We
will
respond
to
specific
complaints.
O
We
will
respond
and
investigate
any
concerns
that
come
to
my
attention,
but
as
we
stand
right
now,
unfortunately,
we've
got
very
broad,
sweeping
generalized
statements
that
makes
that
very
difficult
to
investigate,
specifically,
but
as
a
overall
review,
and
you
could
say,
investigating
our
approach.
Yes,
we
are,
and
yes,
there
are
steps
we
can
take
where
appropriate,
to
determine
if
there's
any
conduct,
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed.
One.
O
The
fact
of
the
matter
is,
the
conduct
is
extremely
important.
Our
oversight
and
supervision
of
what
our
officers
are
doing
is
extremely
important
and
in
reviewing,
and
any
allegations
that
are
made
in
respect
to
conduct
is
extremely
important
and
taking
action
to
thoroughly
investigate
where
there
are
allegations,
or
we
believe
there
is.
Misconduct
is
extremely
important
and,
and
that's
just
the
way
I've
been
approaching.
The
job
here
would.
E
You
agree
that
it's
really
important
that
we
get
the
message
out
here
that
for
those
businesses
that
have
been
charged,
they
are
free
to
come
forward
with
any
allegations
that
they
may
have.
They
shouldn't
fear
reprisal,
because
that's
a
completely
separate
thing
and
you're
doing
the
business
and
you're
enforcing
the
way
you
enforce
under
the
law
and
any
of
those
complaints
would
not
skew
your
opinion
or
your
officers
opinion
of
their
business
whatsoever.
Is
that
fair
comment?
It.
O
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker
counselor
I've
been
in
law
enforcement
there
for
34
years,
and
every
person's
voice
is
important.
It
doesn't
matter
if
we
have
charged
them.
There
is
no
issue
of
reprisal
or
concern
if
something
is
not
being
done
appropriately.
I
want
to
know
about
it,
and
I
will
investigate
that
matter
thoroughly.
O
L
Madam
Speaker
I
want
to
thank
you
through
you
to
staff
I,
think
something
along
the
line
of
councilor
heart
I
want
to
ask
a
few
questions.
I
have
found
your
staff
to
be
very
attentive,
very
thorough
and
very
professional
in
dealings
with
a
lot
of
things
in
MLS
that
I
brought
to
their
attention
now.
Would
you
say,
or
is
it
natural
to
say
that
your
staff
are
equally
working
or
would
your
staff
in
this
instance
when
they
be
looking
after
the
holistic
or
body
rubs?
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
our
endeavor,
is
always
to
ensure
that
the
officers
and
all
of
my
staff
are
conducting
themselves
in
a
professional
manner
in
a
fair
manner
and
in
a
balanced
manner,
irrespective
of
the
nature
of
any
enforcement
activity.
They
are
doing
and
thank
you
for
your
acknowledgement
that
they
they
are
doing
so.
Thank.
O
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
just
for
clarity
and
respect
to
the
allegations
raised
in
this
case,
this
is
the
first
time
that
these
have
come
to
my
attention.
It's
since
I've
been
here
for
these
six
years.
I
think
we
equally
receive
feedback
from
the
community
business
community
and
residents
about
our
officers
on
a
fairly
balanced
way.
We
deal
with
complex
issues.
We
deal
with
vulnerable
people.
We
deal
with.
You
know,
maybe
some
circumstance
where
you
can't
get
resolution.
L
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
think
what
we
have
we've
heard
are
our
issues
raised
and
respect
to
one
particular
industry
by
a
variety
of
individuals.
I,
don't
know
I've
called
a
tidal
wave.
Necessarily
we
don't
have
any
specific
complaints.
We
have
general
conduct
complaints
around.
What's
going
on
in
our
enforcement
of
this
industry,
you
know
I
I'm,
not
quite
sure
if
I
would
call
it
a
tidal
wave.
It's.
It
is,
though,
the
first
time
I
have
heard
this
type
of
a
widespread
commentary
around
conduct
in
any
other.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
we
as
a
referenced
earlier.
We
are
consistently
and
continuously
in
the
Ombudsman's
top
three
of
of
complaints
about
the
the
manner
in
which
we
undertake
our
work.
That
is
the
nature
of
law
enforcement.
I,
don't
know
that
there
is
one
particular
group
of
mine
any
greater
or
less
than
the
other.
We
we
generally
receive
complaints
about
enforcement,
as
enforcement
agencies
do
would.
L
You
say
that
the
complaints
that
you
have
come
and
I'm
sure
that
you're
going
to
check
have
raised
concerns
with
you
and
how
do
I
put
it
I
mean
I'm
finally
hard
to
to
to
fathom
that
the
complaints
are
real,
maybe
I'm
wrong.
But
would
you
say
that
number
one?
You
will
investigate
these
complaints?
Yes,
so.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
yeah,
absolutely
the
concerns
raised
are
the
feelings
of
the
people
who
are
interacting
with
our
staff,
and
those
I
cannot
refute
how
they
are
feeling
I
need
to
investigate
or
understand
how
we
are
conducting
ourselves
and
whether
there
is
any
misconduct.
I
don't
want
to
undermine
or
undervalue
the
feelings
of
the
individuals
that
are
coming
forward
on
mass
I
do
encourage
them
if
they
have
specific
kin
or
complaints
to,
please
let
us
know,
and
we
will
review
those
in.
L
You've
been
doing
this
for
how
long
four
or
five
years
six
years
I
have
been
here
six
glorious
years,
sir,
so
fantastic
I
hope
you
to
make
it
sixty.
However,
in
the
last
six
years,
this
is
the
first
time
that
you're
hearing
complaints,
because
it
just
happens
that
we're
dealing
with
this
item
would
I
be
correct.
O
P
P
P
Now
I
have
all
the
key
questions
that,
as
you
may
recall,
in
November
I
think
it
was
2017.
We
had
a
report
from
the
Auditor
General
with
very
specific
conditions,
as
it
relates
to
body
repairs
and
holistic
same
whatever
else
and
where
they
were,
the
Auditor
General
questioned
the
city's
reliance
on
profession
on
professional,
holistically
associations,
the
pH
days
right.
So
my
question
with
regards
to
that
is
that
the
reasonable
plan
in
place,
as
you
are
recommending
within
the
report
now
within
that
work
plan.
P
O
P
There
is
an
advanced,
a
circulation
motion
from
cancer
one
time,
and
even
though
that's
what
intention
in
terms
of
what's
being
asked,
I
just
have
some
concerns,
and
that
refers
mainly
to
recommendation
number
two
I,
don't
know
if
you
had
an
opportunity
to
see
the
Avensis
circulation
and
so
where
a
report
is
being
asked
to
come
forward,
City
Council
by
July,
the
18.
So
my
question
with
regards
to
any
further
reports,
you
have
a
number.
P
Your
division
has
a
number
of
directives
from
Council
and
also
from
the
committee
in
terms
of
bringing
forward
I
believe
that
we
had
235
directives
that
have
been
bundled
into
projects
that
you're
working
on
it.
How
feasible
is
for
you
to
bring
a
further
report
on
something
that
you're
working
for
July
July
of
this
year,
especially
if
the
Toronto
Police
Services
and
buildings
and
MLS
will
have
to
report
on
it?
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
extent
of
that
report
that
was
to
come
forward
so.
O
A
O
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
in
respect
to
the
volume
of
work
that
we
have
outstanding.
Yes,
we
have
a
long,
lengthy
list
of
a
number
of
significant
items
that
we
need
to
bring
forward.
I
can't
speak
specifically
to
I,
don't
believe
I
can
speak
specifically
to
what
is
being
asked
here,
but
there.
Certainly,
our
intention
in
our
review
is
to
consider
the
entirety
of
the
issues
and
the
entirety
of
the
regulatory
regime
currently
governing
body
or
parlors,
and
the
holistic
licenses
I
missed
the
last
part
of
your
question
about
target
of
a.
P
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
we
do
know
that,
through
our
investigations
that
a
number
probably
around
85
to
90
percent
of
premises
that
are
currently
licensed
as
holistic
s--
may
be
operating
as
body
wear
parlors
in
contravention
of
the
license
they
have
been
issued.
We
are
unaware
of
any
additional
premises
that
may
be
being
used
for
that
purpose
that
are
not
licensed.
So
by
our
estimates.
O
C
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Through
you
to
staff,
we
had
a
town
hall
on
this
very
issue
in
Ward
10
a
few
years
back
and
some
plainclothes
police
officers
came
to
discuss
their
role.
How
do
you
balance
your
role
in
municipal
licensing,
with
the
investigative
ability
of
plainclothes
officers
that
can
do
spot
checks
not
only
into
the
location
but
into
the
cubicles
and
the
various
methods
these
operators
are
using
to
evade
police
enforcement.
O
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker
Thank
You
counselor
for
asking
a
question:
there
is
a
distinct
difference
between
our
role
and
the
enforcement
of
our
municipal
bylaw
and
the
role
of
the
Toronto
Police
Service
and
that
what
they
play
in
respect
to
the
criminal
law,
the
criminal
law
criminal
laws
have
changed
recently.
I,
don't
know
that
I
would
be
appropriate
for
me
to
speak
to
any
obstacles
or
issues
that
they're
having
on
a
policing
side.
O
I
can
say
from
our
bylaw
enforcement
position
that
certainly
we
do
encounter
locked
doors
quite
often
evading
or
trying
to
prohibit
our
inspections,
and
we
do
what
we
can.
We
do
not
engage
in
plainclothes
activity
that
has
happened
in
the
past
in
order
to
gain
entry.
It
is
not
something
that
I
endorse
being
done
going
forward.
We
are
reviewing
the
entire
approach
we
are
taking
in
addressing
what's
happening
with
these
premises,
including
partnership
with
the
police,
but.
O
O
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker
on
the
body
rub
parlour
license.
We
do
have
specific
zoning
and
a
defined
land
use
for
body
rub
parlor
and
as
I
we've
identified,
the
industrial
zones
only
for
that
use,
holistic
uses
are
not
a
defined
use.
They
are
not
identified
in
and
of
themselves
as
a
legitimate
holistic
operation
as
being
a
sensitive
use,
so
they
do
not
have
any
kind
of
distancing
requirements.
O
They're
very
they're
supposed
to
be
very
separate
and
distinct
business,
but
you're
highlighting
very
well
an
important
issue
of
why
we
need
to
look
at
what's
happening
with
the
body
rub
parlour
licensing.
What
has
happened
to
the
holistic,
slicin
Singh
and
come
back
to
you
with
a
complete
report
about
what
we
do
with
this
issue
overall.
So.
C
M
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
that
was
not
a
staff
recommendation
that
was
a
recommendation
endorsed
adopted
by
licensing
and
standards
committee.
We,
you
know,
I,
think
what
we're
going
to
be
coming
back
with
this
review
is
whether
or
not
the
role
of
the
PHAs
are
still
involved
at
all,
or
we
may
come
back
with
an
entirely
different
approach
on
this
complete
issue
for
your
consideration.
Thank.
O
L
L
Thank
you
this,
the
first
one
there's
a
second
one
in
I,
want
to
thank
staff
for
working
with
me
and
I
want
to
thank
councillor
Burnside
for
his
intuition
and
bringing
it
forward.
These
are
the
two
motions
that
we
have
through
up.
You
can
read
them
basically
I'm
asking
folks
to
have
to
support
them.
Madam
Speaker
we're
talking
about
four
hundred
holistic
body,
Rob
cetera,
et
cetera
parlors,
and
some
of
them
are
offering
more
than
just
what
it's
there.
Some
of
them
are
offering
extra.
L
Extra
pleasures,
if
I
can
say
I,
have
to
be
careful
of
the
language
that
I
don't
use
on
parliamentary
language
and
and
in
my
part
of
the
world,
in
speaking
to
42
division,
I'm
told
that
between
Sheppard
and
Kennedy
to
Kennedy
and
Steel's
there's
about
thirty,
eight
of
them
in
speaking
to
staff.
Here
they
said
that
there
were
of
eight
but
there's
other
ones
that
are
operating
in
back
alleys
and
apartments
in
houses
and
they're
under
the
watchful
eye
of
42
and
I.
L
I
have
found
the
stuff
of
MLS
that
the
most
part
that
I
would
say
to
you
about
95%
98%,
that
they
do
their
work
very
diligently
very
professionally
and
they
move
from
Department
of
Department
and
for
somebody
to
come
up
were
some
people
that
come
up
and
say
that
they
were
aggressive.
I
find
that
a
little
hard
to
believe
matter
of
fact,
madam
chair,
there
was
an
instance
where
people
that
are
in
my
ward
have
approached
me
a
matter
of
fact.
We
chase
him
down
the
hall.
L
L
L
Indeed,
it's
our
our
responsibility
to
make
sure
that,
in
working
with
the
police
department,
working
with
our
our
enforcement
officers,
that
we
stamp
this
out,
we
put
an
end
to
it
and
we
can
do
whatever
we
can
in
order
to
make
sure
that
human
trafficking,
whom
human
exploitation
of
young
and
vulnerable
women
is
not
happening.
This
should
not
be
allowed
to
happen
in
Canada.
We
should
absolutely
absolutely
not
support
this
and
for
people
to
step
forward
and
say
that
our
that
our
folks
are
aggressive
with
our
folks
are
taking
extra
measures.
C
And
speaker
I
move
this
motion
because
we
have
undergone
a
very
frustrating
series
of
events
in
my
community,
where
the
local
establishment
has
changed
hands
nominally.
You
know
they
would
put
it
in
their
mother's
name
or
the
brother's
name
or
a
cousin's
name
or
friend's
name
at
the
eleventh
hour
when
the
tribunal
was
set
to
perhaps
revoke
their
license.
C
This
is
a
loophole
that
we
have
to
check
that
we
have
to
close,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
moving
this
motion,
this
particular
establishment
is
placed
in
a
regeneration
area
in
a
regeneration
area
that
is
set
to
explode
and
downs.
You
all
all
good
things,
all
things
that
are
going
to
make
a
few
the
community
very
proud
to
live
and
work
in
in
Downsview.
We
want
it
to
be
a
place
where
people
want
to
lock
their
children's
on
their
children
on
the
streets.
C
We
want
it
to
be
a
place
where
it's
a
fun
place
to
go
to
and
a
good
solid
place
to
live.
It
won't
happen
with
this
establishment
there
and
while
it's
there
breaking
every
rule
that
police
and
licensing
put
before
it.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I'm
moving
this
to
change
track
for
a
moment,
I
thought
speaker
that
we
had
come
to
the
point
in
this
society
in
this
day
and
age
that
we
would
give
women
who
come
forward
to
say
that
they've
been
sexually
abused.
C
The
benefit
of
the
doubt
I've
heard
banter
around
this
horseshoe
today.
That
leads
me
to
believe
that
we
have
not
reached
those
heights.
It's
a
matter
of
pure
respect.
I,
don't
I'm
not
trying
to
intercede
myself
into
the
jokes
that
I've
heard
around
the
table,
but
I'm
speaking
directly
to
what
was
said
while
the
microphones
were
on
and
speeches
were
being
made.
C
I
think
that
some
of
the
men
in
this
council
haven't
understood
that
the
women
who
are
coming
forward
to
say
that
they've
been
abused,
that
to
say
that
they've
been
ill-treated
may
have
a
case.
They
need
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
and
in
closing
Speaker
I
want
to
say
that
I
commend
Tracie
cook
for
the
words
that
she
used
about
this
particular
incident.
When
she
was
questioned
on
it.
C
Just
just
very
briefly,
because
I
don't
want
to
repeat
what
what
my
colleagues
said,
but
certainly
in
the
inner
suburbs.
This
is
growing
into
a
serious
neighborhood
problem
with
the
regulation
of
holistic
locations,
body
rap
parlors,
the
clientele
that
it
attracts
the
reputation
it
gives
to
a
neighborhood.
J
You
very
much
madam
Speaker
I
have
two
motions.
If
you
can
ask
the
clerk's
to
put
them
on
the
screen.
The
first
motion
is
to
refer
the
entire
matter
back
to
staff,
to
have
staff,
carry
out
the
work,
that's
in
their
work
plan,
so
it
doesn't
disrupt
the
work
at
all
because
that's
what
they
said
that
they
were
going
to
do,
but
the
but
the
the
investigations
and
and
and
so
forth
that
errs
that
will
be
taking
place
is
to
have
them
report
back
on
July
2018,
with
any
particular
status
of
that
investigation.
J
I,
don't
need
to
know
the
end
results.
I
just
need
to
know.
Has
it
begun
and
are
you
doing
it?
The
second
motion
is
just
to
amend
the
stakeholder
working
group
that
Cal
Sergey
Carrie
Janis
moved
in
his
motion
and
to
add
a
few
more
folks
who
I
believe
their
organization
could
add
a
different
perspective
to
what
is
happening.
Madam
Speaker,
if
I
may
I'm
a
little
bit
troubled
by
the
comments
from
staff
and
I'm
troubled
because
it
made
a
sound
like
that
there
was
no
there
wasn't.
J
There
were
no
conversations
that
took
place
with
respect
to
the
the
reports
around
sexual
harassment
and
sexual
misconduct
and
and
aggressive
enforcement
to
the
point
of
harassment
by
violence
and
enforcers
enforcement
officers.
The
staff
made
it
sound
like
it
hadn't
and
she
hadn't
heard.
But
let
me
just
tell
you,
madam
Speaker
this.
These
are
the
things
that
I
do
know
on
May
the
3rd.
It
was
made
known
to
me
that
something
was
happening
in
this
particular
sector.
J
There
are
a
number
of
individuals
who
said
that
they
had
been
on
the
receiving
end
of
sexual
misconduct
and
sexual
harassment
by
bylaw
officers
on
May
the
6th.
Three
days
later,
I
went
to
Tracy
cook
and
I
told
her
Tracy.
This
is
what
I've
heard
I
need
you
to
be
aware
that
I'm
gonna
convene
a
meeting
to
bring
these
practitioners
together
and
they
would
like
to
speak
with
you.
She
was
not
available
on
May
the
16th,
but
she
did
send
three
staff
persons
in
in
her
place.
J
Rajon
who's
in
head
of
enforcement
of
Vanessa
Fletcher
Carlton
grant
all
three
of
those
MLF
staff
person
sat
in
that
room
and
heard
from
the
from
the
that
the
the
people
who
had
raised
these
concerns
on
April,
the
10th
10
deputies
appear
before
licensing
and
standards
committee,
and
they
basically
reinforce
what
they
said
in
private
to
three
MLS
staff.
Persons
on
May,
the
11th
there
was
a
there
is
an
interview
conducted
on
City
News,
where
the
executive
director
of
MLS
said
that
the
city
has
launched
an
investigation
as
a
result
of
the
complaints
brought
forward.
J
The
concerns
raised
through
the
deputations
yesterday
will
be
investigated
in
a
statement
we
have
met
with
and
will
continue
to
meet
with
some
of
the
groups
that
spoke
yesterday
to
get
their
feedback
and
hear
their
concerns.
The
city
takes
complaints
of
staff
misconduct
very
seriously
and
have
mechanisms
in
place
to
investigate
for
investigation
once
they
are
received.
City
staff
are
expected
to
conduct
themselves
professionally.
At
all
times,
I
have
two
subsequent
meetings
now
booked
on
May
the
7th
and
May
the
15th.
J
Those
meetings
I
am
convening
to
bring
those
practitioners
back
into
the
room
to
speak
to
staff
again
so
that
they
can
continue
to
do
this
work.
Madam
Speaker,
why
am
I
for
the
love
of
God
being
asked
to
do
this
work
when
I
believe
this
work
should
be
done
by
staff?
Now,
I
recognize
that
there
may
be
all
sorts
of
judgment,
and
perhaps
some
really
legitimate
lived
experiences
in
various
communities
about
different
centers.
We're
not
talking
about
all
the
centers
I'm
asking
the
staff
to
continue
to
do
the
work.
J
J
Investigation
they've
all
recommended
every
single
one
of
these
legal
clinics
have
recommended,
do
not
adopt
the
recommendations
in
the
staff
report.
Something
is
not
right
if
you
March
ahead
and
suspend
these
licenses
without
completing
or
even
initiating
a
formal
investigation.
You
are
saying
to
these
communities
your
complaints
dismissed.
Your
lived
experience
doesn't
matter
if
you've
been
sexually
harassed.
J
If
there's
been
any
sexual
misconduct,
any
misconduct
of
all
buyer
stuff
doesn't
matter
because
we
believe
absolutely
believe
and
trust
the
integrity
of
our
stuff,
because
we
know
that
they're
good
I'm,
not
saying
they're,
not
good,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
saying
that
do
due
process
is,
is
warranted.
Thank.
A
N
N
I
am
just
going
to
urge
Council
to
support
the
referral
and
to
allow
this
process
and
to
allow
that
number
of
people
who
have
been
in
contact
with
my
office
from
my
community
in
the
South
Asian
community
to
as
a
group
or
members
of
different
associations
at
least
meet
with
our
staff.
Before
we
proceed
in
this
way
and
I
know,
councillor
wong-tam
feels
very
strongly
about
this.
N
I
also
do
and
I've
heard
from
many
people
in
my
community,
so
without
saying
right
or
wrong,
or
anybody
did
or
didn't
do
anything
and
I
want
to
be
clear
that
in
supporting
the
referral,
I'm,
certainly
not
insinuating
that
anything
was
wrong.
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
and
I'm
not
sure
that
was
clear
enough
earlier.
All
I
want
to
do
is
have
that
conversation
facilitated
ongoing
conversation
before
we
do
something
and
then
we're
locked
in
loggerheads
or
somebody's
gone
to
the
Ombudsman
or
something
else
has
happened.
N
N
Councilors
Shen
asked
the
Ombudsman
aren't
there
times
when
we
have
an
issue
around
language,
perhaps
when
we're
dealing
with
staff
or
staff
or
dealing
with
people-
and
she
said
yes
and
he
said
how
would
we
be
able
to
get
people
people's
information
and
get
them
good
information?
So
I
just
think
it's
helpful
for
us.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Counter.
Q
Q
I
was
at
the
May
10th
meeting,
where
there
was
an
urban
myth
that
the
problematic
groups
that
were
committing
98%
are
responsible
for
98
percent
of
all
charges,
not
the
whole
industry,
not
certain
sections
of
the
industry,
but
five
specific
associations
that
have
had
98
percent
of
all
the
charges.
97%
of
all
convictions.
This
small
group
of
I'll
call
them
bad
apples
or
people
convicted
of
violations
of
our
bylaws.
Our
staff
just
simply
said,
as
we
do
this
review
we're
not
going
to
renew
their
license
because
the
Auditor
General
has
in
violation.
Q
We
have
found
them
in
violation.
We
have
convicted
them
and
we
had
a
number
of
deputy
deputies
come
forward
and
say:
well,
you
know,
we've
heard
of
sexual
assault
and
we've
heard
stories
of
your
officers
threatening
women
and
frightening
women.
Doing
all
sorts
of
things.
I
asked
each
deputy:
can
you
give
us
one
example:
one
real
example
date
time
location,
give
us
an
example.
Q
You
don't
even
have
to
give
it
to
me
as
go
to
our
staff,
and
you
know
what
there's
not
one
single
real
example
and
if
councillor
wong
tam
knows
of
somebody
who
has
been
sexually
assaulted
by
anybody.
She
and
I
have
a
moral
obligation
to
report
that
to
the
police
immediately
and
to
our
staff
immediately
and
yet
I'm
not
aware
from
councillor
Wan
cams
comments
to
us
earlier
today
that
there
has
been
anyone
making
that
accusation
I'm
not
aware
of
it,
maybe
they're
out
there,
but
so
far
at
that
committee,
absolutely
not
one
person.
Q
M
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I.
Actually,
support
investigating
and
dealing
appropriately
with
wrongdoing
on
the
part
of
our
staff,
I
went
over
and
confirmed
that
that's
what
we're
doing
this
is
a
classic
Hey.
Look
over
there.
Okay,
we've
dithered
long
enough
on
this.
The
this
is
about
body
rubs
and
holistic
holistic
centers
operating
like
the
Wild
West,
okay,
after
working
after
hours,
advertising
sex,
whatever
it
is.
My
bigger
concern
is
actually
human
trafficking,
so
we're
solutely.
M
We
need
to
be
concerned
with
racism
and
wrongdoing,
but
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
human
trafficking
and
and
all-
and
we
know
the
human
trafficking
goes
on
in
these
holistic
holistic,
centers
of
which
we
have
27
associations,
I.
Believe
it's
a
joke,
they're
making
a
joke
of
us.
The
bigger
concern
is
we're
affecting
people's
lives.
People
lives
are
being
ruined
and
we
want
to.
We
wanted
to
dither
some
more.
M
What
counsel
wong-tam
didn't
tell
you,
and
maybe
it
was
an
oversight,
but
I
actually
asked
two
people
that
were
there
on
behalf
of
the
holistic
centers
who
were
concerned
about
harassment,
I
asked
them
well.
What
is
a
holistic
center
crickets?
That's
what
I
got
crickets
no
answer.
They
couldn't
even
tell
me
what
a
Holistic
Center
was.
They
supposedly
operate
one.
They
couldn't
tell
me
what
one
was.
P
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
would
no
support
the
referral.
As
chair
of
the
committee
we've
been
dealing
with
this
for
a
number
of
years,
in
that
we
had
over
the
years
hundreds
of
evidence
before
the
committee
and
as
an
immigrant
myself.
Let
me
tell
you
the
general
complaint
was
whenever
there
was
some
sort
of
regulation
to
be
imposed
on
the
on
the
industry.
The
complaint
was,
you
know,
what
is
we
do
understand
the
procedures
we
do
understand
the
language
we
they
understand
what
was
being
said.
So
the
auditor-general
was
very
clear
in
November
of
last
year.
N
P
Time,
if
you
can,
please
suggest
yeah,
as
you
may
recall,
the
Auditor
General
is
and
November
I
believe
it
was
November
2017.
She
was
very
specific
in
terms
of
their
proposed
licensing.
Bylaws
in
the
purpose
of
the
bylaws
is
to
protect
public
safety
and
consumer
protection
enforcement
of
especially
when
it
comes
to
public
nuisances,
and
the
Auditor
General
was
very
specific
in
terms
of
implementing
asking
city
staff
from
municipal
licensing
to
implement
those
those
recommendations
and
that's
exactly
what
they
are
doing.
P
They
have
a
work
plan
before
us
than
needs
to
be
implemented,
so
this
repair
on
simply
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
send
us
back
once
again
to
square
one
when
consultations
having
done
so
all
this
notion
that
we
haven't
listened
carefully
to
those
who
have
complained
and
cons
and
deputy
mayor
de
Rivera
maker
he's
absolutely
right.
We
asked
them.
Please
tell
us
who
have
you
ever
received
any
complaints
from
anyone?
P
R
This
has
been
a
marvelous
exercise
to
try
to
understand
how
power
works
in
our
society.
There
are
three
groups
of
people
involved
here:
elected
officials,
enforcement
staff
and
people
who
work
in
holistic
centers.
A
number
of
people
on
this
council
have
stood
up
and
said.
We
have
to
look
after
the
vulnerable
people.
We,
the
powerful
people,
have
to
make
decisions
to
benefit
vulnerable
people,
for
example
people
who
are
being
trafficked
through
holistic
centers.
R
Then
some
people
from
holistic
centers,
the
actual
vulnerable
people,
the
one
with
the
least
power,
come
forward
and
say,
there's
a
problem
in
this
other
of
the
three
groups
of
people,
the
least
powerful
one
is
the
group
of
people
in
the
holistic
centers.
So
they
say
some
people
who
have
more
power
than
us
enforcement
officers
have
been
abusing
us
and
and.
R
R
That's
exactly
how
we
disempower
people
when
someone
says
I'm
having
trouble
with
enforcement
agency
and
you
go
to
government
and
your
claims
are
not
only
not
taken
seriously
they're
belittled
and
dismissed
in
a
public
place.
That
is
how
people
lose
faith
in
government
and
in
an
ER
of
our
enforcement
institutions.
So
what's
the
remedy
here?
What's
the
right
thing
to
do
to
make
sure
that
Trust
is
built
and
we
achieve
the
policy
outcome
that
the
members
of
the
licensing
and
Standards
Committee
and
our
staff
are
after?
A
H
A
C
A
E
Thank
You,
speaker
I'll,
be
brief.
In
the
interest
of
time,
I
was
tempted
to
support
the
referral
because
I've
heard,
but
I
didn't
but
I
cuz
I've
heard
a
number
of
issues
and
I
think
when
you
hear
that
number
of
issues
out
there
I'm
not
going
to
say
there
are
real
issues
in
MLS
and
enforcement,
but
I'm
not
going
to
say
there
aren't
either
and
I.
Think
it's
certainly
behooves
and
I
know.
Traci
will
look
into
those
issues,
but
hooves
Traci
and
the
staff
to
turn
over
every
stone
to
find
out.
E
If
anything
is
going
on
and
I
know,
comments
have
been
made
about
it.
Being
you
know,
look
the
other
way
and
all
those
kinds
of
things
I
don't
believe
that
either
I
mean
the
complaints
likely
are
coming
from
the
areas
where
there's
the
greatest
enforcement.
That's
probably
what's
happening,
but
it's
also
probable.
It's
also
where
those
practitioners
are
the
most
vulnerable
because
they
are
off-site,
perhaps
with
the
law.
That's
where.
If
there
is
somebody
that
is
a
rogue
officer,
that's
where
they
can
make
things
happen
that
are
untoward
so
I
know.
E
Traci
will
follow
this
up
and
the
staff
will
follow
this
up
and
and
I
would
be
looking
at
those
associations
on
the
list
that
have
the
most
infractions
and
I'd
be
taking
a
look
at
and
see.
If
that's
where
the
issues
are,
I've
got
great
confidence
in
the
staff
that
they
will
follow
up.
They've
heard
from
enough
people
today
and
I'm
sure
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we'll
find
out
if
there
are
any
issues
or
not
and
right
now
we
honestly
can't
say
there
are
Thank
You,
speaker,
Thank.
A
M
We're
highlighted
by
the
federal
government
and
the
Canadian
Women's
Foundation
is
leading
the
charge
in
this
in
this
area,
and
yet
here
we
are
five
years
later
and
we
have
nothing
to
show
for
it.
We've
heard
how
it's
a
complex
issue
and
I
know
we
might
be
wringing
our
hands,
but
to
me
that's
not
enough,
we
actually
need
results.
We
need
to
do
something.
Unfortunately,
we
won't
have
any
information
until
2019,
but
we
need
to
get
the
proper
people
at
the
table
to
actually
address
this
issue
and
start
getting
some
results.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
would
encourage
all
members
of
council
to
actually
listen
to
the
Canadian
Center
to
end
human
trafficking.
That's
why
I
was
so
stunned
at
the
motion
by
councillor
Wong
town.
We
had
people
from
the
Canadian
Center
to
end
human
trafficking,
say
to
us,
as
advocates
trying
to
protect
women
who
suffer
violence
and
kidnapping
and
sexual
assault.
Q
Please
do
what
your
staff
are
telling
you
and
freeze
these
five
organizations
until
you
do
further
investigations,
that's
what
we
should
be
doing,
we're
not
going
after
all
associations,
there's
five
of
them
that
have
ninety-eight
percent
of
all
charges,
and
when
we
were
at
committee,
the
world
was
turned
upside
down.
One
deputy
came
in
and
accused
our
staff
of
racism
and
I
said
well.
Why?
On
what
grounds
are
you
saying
that
their
staff
were
racist
and
he
said
because
because
I'm,
Chinese
and
I
said
well,
okay,
you're
Chinese,
but
why
is
that
racist?
Q
He
said
well
because
you're
charging
us
and
we're
Chinese,
so
you're
racist
against
Chinese
people,
and
we
said,
but
when
you're
convicted
of
a
violent,
we
don't
care
where
you're
from
it
was.
It
was
a
bizarre
universe
that
day
councilor,
Wang,
Tam
and
I,
and
every
member
of
this
council
has
a
moral
obligation,
if
not
a
legal
obligation
to
say
if
a
crime
has
been
committed.
If
there's
even
an
accusation,
then
that
accusation
should
be
documented
date,
time,
location,
description
person,
anything
to
make
sure
that
that
perpetrator
is
held
to
account.
Q
Not
even
so
you
know,
these
things
have
to
be
investigated,
not
one.
So
if
a
person
had
come
forward
and
said
something
that
would
be
different,
but
we
have
to
look
at
what
is
our
job
our
job
as
a
licensing
agency
is
saying,
you're
allowed
to
do
this,
you're
not
allowed
to
do
that
you're
violating
it.
Not
all
the
associations
are
violating
violating
it.
We're
not
getting
accusations
from
the
entire
industry,
we're
getting
accusations
made
by
a
very
small
group
of
people.
Q
The
very
same
group
of
people
who
are
committing
98%
of
the
violations
and
and
a
group
of
people
who
the
Canadian
Centre
to
stop
human
trafficking
is
said
to
us.
Please
help
us
protect
women
by
doing
what
your
staff
are
recommending.
So
madam
Speaker
I
would
hope
now
that
we've
not
referred
this
item
that
we
move
forward
with
it
to
protect
people
and
again
I
would
encourage
any
councillor
here
who
can
document
anything
to
bring
it
forward
to
staff,
because
to
my
knowledge,
it
hasn't
been
done
till
today,
not
even
not
even
today.
Thank
you.
Q
P
The
illegal
body
rub
parlors
that
we
have,
especially
within
small
plots
and
commercial
strips
within
our
residential
neighborhoods,
are
becoming
a
huge,
huge
problem
all
throughout
the
city,
when
you
have
hundreds
and
perhaps
thousands
of
these
illegal
business
that
are
simply
creating
all
kinds
of
new
instances,
as,
as
we
all
know,
excessive
noise,
drug
dealing
and
all
other
illegal
activities.
But
the
main
thing
is
that
some
of
them,
when
they
were
asked
at
the
community
level
when
during
the
deputations
is
some
of
them,
are
literally
they
have
gone
underground.
P
That's
any
industry
that
it
doesn't
pay
any
taxes,
an
industry,
that's
putting
lot
of
pressure
on
city
resources
all
throughout
in
that's
an
industry,
that's
creating
huge
public
nuisances
all
throughout.
So
what
city
staff
is
doing
is
through
community
consultation
once
again
to
bring
forward
something,
that's
going
to
be
workable,
something
that's
going
to
make
sense.
One
of
the
key
recommendations
that
from
cancer
Kelly
Janice,
is
the
anti
human
trafficking.
P
That's
an
issue
that's
been
brought
back
in,
has
been
spoken
over
and
over
again
in
that
has
to
do
with
Public,
Health
and
Safety,
including
a
review
in
some
sort
of
asking
to
the
province
and
also
to
the
vales
to
look
into
the
human
trafficking
aspect.
So,
for
those
reasons,
I
will
ask
members
of
council
please
to
support
the
recommendations
from
city
staff
and
also
the
recommendations
to
put
forward
by
my
colleagues.
Think
of
em
speaker
thank.
A
A
A
A
Q
C
A
S
S
I
Did
not
talk
to
consumers,
however.
Over
the
last
two
years
there's
been
extensive
consultation
with
the
provinces,
they've
been
looking
at
this
legislation.
We
also
did
a
survey
amongst
residents
in
the
city
of
Toronto
last
year
and
we
also
promoted
the
survey
done
by
the
province.
So
we
did
extensive
outreach
to
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
but
this
this
piece
is
reacting
to
getting
the
authority
to
move
forward
with
this
right
in
January.
So
all.
S
S
I
S
O
S
Been
since
nineteen
had
that
conversation,
so
we
had
a
conversation,
I
knew
that,
but
the
holistic
centers,
which
we
just
spent
all
that
time
debating,
we've
never
had
a
discussion
about
a
certain
number
per
ward
or
you
know
how
bad
they
are,
and
so
we
better
limit
the
number
we
haven't.
We
haven't
done
that,
but
we're
doing
that
here
so.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
again,
the
authority
for
us
to
restrict
the
number
of
licenses
is
expressly
stated
in
the
City
of
Toronto
act.
It
applies
to
the
taxi
industry.
It
applies
to
the
adult,
entertainment
industry
and
the
province
enacted
it
to
allow
us
to
restrict
and
limit
the
number
on
payday
lenders
explicitly
other
than
that
licenses
are
not
a
restricted
issuance.
So.
S
How
it
is,
how
did
this
so
I
know
we
did?
The
survey
you've
heard
from
councillors
is
private,
some
political
pressure,
but
was
this?
Is
this
a
staff
initiative?
How
did
this
come
about
just
because
the
changing
of
the
legislation
or
did
youdid
staff
ticket
at
licensing
staff?
Take
it
upon
themselves
to
raise
this
issue?
No.
O
O
We
had
I
believe
two
years
ago
again
to
look
at
this
and
consider
the
impact
it's
having
once
we
receive
the
authority
through
the
City
of
Toronto
act
explicitly
to
limit
it.
We've
exercised
that
authority,
similarly
to
other
sister
jurisdictions,
such
as
Hamilton
and
others
are
looking
at
the
same
thing.
Okay,
so
I
want.
S
To
take
I
want
to
take
a
moment
and
just
talk
about
mr.
Cook
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
line
in
the
in
the
report
that
refers
to
the
annual
percentage,
the
annual
percentage
rate
of
a
loan.
But
if
you
were
to
borrow
a
thousand
dollars-
and
it
says
the
average,
the
average
borrowing
is
around
five
hundred
dollars
and
people
borrow
six
times
a
year.
I
know
that.
But
if
you
were
to
borrow
a
thousand
dollars-
and
you
were
to
not
repay
it,
would
you
be
responsible
for
repaying
forty
nine
hundred
dollars?
S
Because
that's
that's
up?
That's
so
so
what
you've
done
is
you've
taken
you've
taken
the
time
frame
so
the
way
it
was
explained
to
me?
Isn't
they
well
the
way
it
is
so
if
it's
a,
if
you
borrow
a
hundred
dollars,
you
owe
fifteen
dollars
within
two
weeks
and
you've
taken
that
and
extrapolated.
But
the
reality
is
that
if
somebody
were
to
borrow
a
thousand
dollars
for
a
year,
they're
not
repaying
$4,900,
are
they
go.
O
A
Okay,
memories
account
so
now:
memories
account
counsel,
Robinson,
we
counsel
Robinson.
We
still
have
an
item
from
Public
Works
that
is
still
standing
and
okay
I
just
want
to
tell
members
account.
So
if
you're
planning
on
leaving,
please
tell
us
because
we're
minimum
quorum
here
like
okay,
so
we'll
go
to
the
speakers.
P
P
So
the
promotion
literally
is
City
stuff
in
the
report
they're
recommending
to
cap
the
number
of
the
number
of
stablishment
citywide
and
my
motion
is
changing.
That
is
changing
that
to
cap
the
number
of
these
establishments
per
world
instead,
so
the
danger
to
add
data
first,
one
and
the
second
motion
be
is
asking
them.
Well,
there
you
have
it,
you
not
speak
to
it.
So
first,
madam
Speaker
I
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
a
notice
of
motion
back
in
2010
with
regards
to
these
these
establishments.
P
That
by
then
within
had
that
many
they
were
just
a
few
in
serie
Toronto
and,
as
the
time
went
by
now,
we
know
what
we
have
so
then
the
purpose
of
my
motion
is
the
first
one
is
the
way
it
is.
We
have
a
number
of
neighborhood
improvements
within
City
or
Toronto
and
in
within
those
communities.
You
have
bingo
halls
and
you
name
it.
So
there
is
a
high
concentration
of
these
establishments
that
are
moving
there
and
that's
creating
a
tremendous
problem
to
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
society.
P
The
other
one,
the
next
motion
number
B
is
literally
speaking,
is
to
bring
another
report
back,
but
this
time
to
do
in
consultation
and
also
in
partnership
with
City
Planning,
the
social
development,
finance
and
administration,
and
with,
of
course,
with
municipal
agency
and
standards,
and
to
identify
the
31
and
neighborhood
improvement
areas
in
how
those
areas
are
being
affected
with.
In
my
opinion,
these
are
real
crime
what's
happening.
P
There
is
the
worst
loan-sharking
ever
seen
these
financial
establishments
prey
on
the
most
vulnerable
people
out
there
in
society
on
the
pool
on
the
mall,
the
most
disadvantaged
and
that's
factual
information.
They
prey
on
those
who
cannot
open
up
open
up
a
checking
account
because
of
their
personal
circumstances,
either,
because
their
immigration
status
doesn't
allow
them
either.
They
are
undocumented
workers,
people
that
who
are
refugees,
people
who
are
getting
paid
by
unscrupulous
employers
and
they
are
getting
victimized
in
terms
of
being
exploited
as
a
result.
P
The
way
it
is
the
system
that
we
have
is
nothing
more
than
a
highway
robbery,
and
there
is
something
fundamentally
wrong.
My
friends
when
you
see
that,
at
the
end,
when
people
have
to
pay
about
three
hundred
ninety
percent
of
the
annual
income
to
these
institutions,
there
is
something
wrong.
Why
do
I
say
three
hundred
ninety
percent
because
most
of
these
people
they
go
over
and
over
every
month
they
go
back
to
the
same
institution
because
they
have
nowhere
else
to
go
so
to
the
recommendations
within
the
report.
P
That's
before
us
I
think
those
are
sensible
recommendations
and
these
are
recommendations
that
should
be
adopted
and
I'm
hoping,
and
that
is
going
to
be
a
unanimous
vote
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
once
again.
Castro
Sierra
is
for
bringing
this
forward.
It
was
eight
years
ago,
but
eventually
we're
getting
there
thanks.
So
much
thank.
Q
G
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
speaker,
mr.
Deputy
Speaker
I
have
a
motion
that
city
council,
men,
licensing
and
standards
committee
recommendation
one
by
adding
the
following
new
part.
Despite
the
permission
of
license
holders
to
change
locations
in
part,
one
H
no
license
holder
may
relocate
on
or
within
500
metres
of
the
known
address,
as555
Rexdale
boulevard
as
of
April
20th
2018,
and
it
goes
on.
This-
has
been
a
bench
circulated
since
Tuesday
I
think
it
speaks
for
itself.
I,
don't
think
it's
appropriate
that
we
license
legal
loan,
sharking
payday
loan
outlets
beside
the
casino.
G
What
you'll
have
is
very
desperate
people
on
a
losing
streak
going
out
and
and
entering
into
a
debt
that
will
just
drive
them
deeper
and
deeper.
If
you,
if
you
listened
to
the
general
managers
last
answer
to
councilor
Campbell,
it
in
fact
showed
that
the
rates
of
interest
are
just
far
beyond
anything
in
any
reasonable
realm
or
any
reputable
financial
institution.
I.
Think
that
by
doing
this
very
simple
thing
we
may
be,
we
may
be
saving
many
many
families
that
are
already
struggling
with
gambling
addiction
from
unnecessary
hardship.
Thank
you.
Q
A
A
There
is
a
payday
loan
and
they're
there
in
areas
where
we
have
grano
housing
and
we
the
most
vulnerable
in
areas
and
to
have
ten
in
one
block.
It's
it's
very.
Concerning
to
the
community
we
for
one
or
two
we're
trying
to
revitalize
our
community,
we're
a
neighborhood
improvement
area
and
we're
trying
to
improve
the
retail
strip
that
we
have.
A
I,
have
my
ward
also
buy
and
sell
gold,
so
what's
happening
in
my
community
that
people
are
having
people
have
their
houses
Okin
into
during
the
day
or
in
the
evening
they're
selling
there
they're
stealing
all
the
gold
and
they're
going
to
the
local
payday
loans
where
they
buy
and
sell
gold
and
selling
the
the
gold
that
they've
stolen
from
these
residents
and
that's
happening,
I
hadn't
for
me
personally,
I
had
my
house
broken
into
about
four
years
ago.
Five
years
ago
and
I
was
told
by
the
police
officer,
go
down
the
street
to
Weston.
A
Road
you'll
probably
find
your
jewelry.
This
is
what's
happening
in
these
communities
and
with
these
payday
loans
and
I
last
year,
I
think
was
last
year.
Yeah
last
year,
I
was
asked
by
the
city
manager
Peter
Wallace,
to
make
a
deputation
to
the
province,
because
the
province
was
receiving
deputations
from
different
groups
on
because
we
did
ask
the
province
to
amend
legislation
and
to
regulate
so
that
it
gives
the
municipality
the
authority
to
regulate
the
payday
loans.
A
So
I
made
a
deputation
on
behalf
of
the
City
Council
and
asked
the
province
to
amend
the
legislation,
and
they
did
this
year
and
I
believe
it's
the
City
of
Hamilton
that
actually
adopted
the
recommendations
from
the
province,
and
so
now
we
have
the
authority
to
regulate,
and
that
is
why
it's
so
important
to
support
the
recommendations
that
we
passed
at
licensing,
because
we
have
been
fighting
and
lobbying
the
provincial
government
to
allow
the
municipality,
the
authority.
And
now
we
have
the
authority
and
we
have
to
take
the
take
the
recommendation
and
move
with
it.
A
I'm
sure
that
other
maybe
other
members
of
council
in
Etobicoke,
don't
have
them.
I,
don't
know
councillor
Campbell,
maybe
you
don't
have
any
in
your
word.
I
don't
know,
but
we
do
we
do
and
we
have
these
problems
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
down
town
councillors
as
well
cannot
afford.
You
have
them.
We
all
have
them
and
we
andesite
the
dispensaries.
I
have
dispensaries
as
well
that
I
can't
close
down
and
we've
raided
them
five
times.
A
We
still
can't
close
them
down,
but
I
urge
members
of
council
to
take
this
issue
very
very
seriously.
Support
the
REC
commendations
that
it's
in
licensing
and
any
other
recommendation.
Counseling
you've
moved
around
a
moment
as
well.
Any
other
amendments
that
come
through.
Please
support
them.
We
need
your
help
and
we
need
to
clean
up
the
and
the
privilege
for
violation
of
payday
loans.
Thank
you.
Q
A
F
Ok,
thank
you,
madam
speaker,
so
through
you,
sorry,
if
I
could
just
add
some
quiet,
so
the
TPA
allows
permit
parking
holders
to
park
for
free
overnight
in
some
of
their
Lots.
Is
that
correct
and
it's
correct
counselor?
Thank
you.
Cars
with
this
new
free
floating
permit
then
would
be
able
to
park
for
free
overnight
in
those
Lots
correct.
No.
F
So
if
okay,
short-term
car
rental
companies
have
been
in
operation
for
a
number
of
years
now
in
Toronto,
the
2009
report
says
they
have
been
around
for
years.
Your
report
says
this
service
will
decrease
car
ownership,
yet
I've
not
seen
any
decrease
in
the
demand
for
permit
parking.
In
my
ward,
in
fact,
I
would
submit
to
you
that
it
has
increased
over
the
years.
So
I
was
wondering.
Is
there
any
part
of
the
city
that
has
experienced
a
decrease
in
the
demand
for
permit
parking
or
has
in
fact
the
demand
for
permit
parking
increased?
D
F
F
F
K
You
I
also
don't
have
the
answer
to
that
question.
The
information
that
we
received
was
a
multi-year
study
that
was
done
out
of
Berkeley
California
about
the
percentage
reduction
of
relatively
large
sample
size
of
users
of
car
share
and
what
the
results
of
that
were
were
a
2
to
5
percent
number
of
members
that
gave
up
their
vehicle
and
then
7
to
10
percent
have
forgotten
the
purchase
of
a
vehicle.
K
K
Parking,
yes,
I,
don't
know
that
there
will
be
necessarily
a
decrease
in
demand
for
permit
parking.
I
think
we
are
looking
to
get
our
staff
up
here
to
see
if
they
can
answer
that
question
more
specifically,
but
I
think,
as
we
know
as
this
as
the
city
continues
to
intensify
and
densify
we're,
adding
more
demand.
Ok
and
so
hopefully
we
have
the
ability
to
weigh
out
that
demand
with
giving
a
new
service,
which
is
this
free-floating
car
share
service.
F
So,
on
page
9
of
your
report,
it
says
that
for
the
purposes
of
this
I
don't
know,
950,
510,
C,
6
and
brackets
clustering
will
be
defined
as
more
than
one
car
share
vehicle
from
the
same
car
share
company
being
parked
on
the
same
city
street
block
for
any
length
of
time.
I
was
wondering:
what's
the
definition
of
a
city
street
block.
F
So
I
did
a
quick
review
in
an
estimate
that
there
are
about
1,000
city
street
blocks
in
my
ward,
so
if
half
of
them
have
permit
parking
and
since
your
rolls
is
per
company,
all
of
the
500
cars
of
each
of
the
4
companies
could
actually
be
parked
in
my
ward
and
what
it
would
not
be
considered.
Clustering
correct
if.
K
F
K
You
speaker,
the
car2go
is
the
one
company
currently
that
operates
free-floating
in
the
city.
They
have
a
team
right
now.
It's
about
25
people
who
get
called
out
on
a
complaint
basis
to
move
their
cars
so
that
they
can
eliminate
the
clustering.
I
also
think
that
residents
call
enforcement
directly.
So
there
certainly
are
some
tickets
that
are
issued
for
car
share
companies.
So.
K
F
D
D
T
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I've
been
waiting
for
this
day
for
a
long
time.
I
think
this
is
brilliant.
The
maps
you
gave
us
attachment
seven,
eight
and
nine.
Could
you
just
explain
why
these
boundaries
are
shown?
For
instance,
in
my
ward,
you've
taken
one
side
of
Jane
Street,
but
not
the
other
and
I
do
have
permitted
Park
it's
permitted
streets
on
the
other
side.
So
could
you
explain
why
these
maps
are
before
us
case.
D
Counselor
through
the
speaker
attachment
seven,
eight,
nine,
there's
a
boundary
of
white
that
indicates
for
illustrative
purposes
the
existing
operating
area
of
car2go
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
If
you
refer
to
the
attachments
in
the
supplementary
report,
three
four
and
five
that's
described
in
more
detail.
Yeah.
T
It's
just
a
little
hard
to
see
in
not
in
color
but
anyway,
okay.
So
that's
what
one
company
has
right
now
my
understanding
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
this
free-floating
permit
would
be
for
areas
only
on
streets
which
right
now
have
permit
parking.
Is
that
correct
through
you
speaker?
That
is
correct,
so,
on
attachment
4,
you
have
parking
availability
and
allocation
by
Ward.
You
have
27
Ward's
listed
on
attachment
4
telling
us
how
many
spaces
we've
got
now.
T
Only
those
27
Ward's
will
be
affected
by
this
free
flow
because
they
can
only
park
on
streets
which
are
permitted.
Is
that
correct?
That's,
correct,
okay,
I
think
that
clears
up
quite
a
bit
from
our
last
conversation
in
this
chamber.
I
think
councils
are
a
bit
confused
about
who
could
now
just
going
back
to
your
Maps.
This
is
one
company
right
now
we
are
offering
this
permit
to
up
to
four
companies
at
five
hundred
permits
per
company
for
maksim
maximum
of
two
thousand.
Not
all
companies
actually
have
five
hundred
cars
right
now.
T
This
map
could
change,
but
it
can
only
change
to
reflect
what
you've
got
on
attachment.
4,
that's
correct
all
right,
one
of
the
things
I'm
hearing
from
residents
now,
since
one
of
these
companies
went
free-for-all,
is
clustering.
I
have
streets
where
they
may
leave
five
to
seven
cars
on
one
Street.
How
will
this
pilot
project
save
my
residents
from
having
to
park
on
another
Street
where
it's
Street,
specific
and
therefore
they're
getting
tickets
through.
K
You
right
now
we
don't
have
a
permit
situation
for
for
free
floating
car
share.
We
can
impose
terms
and
conditions
through
a
permit
right
now.
The
existing
company
card
ago
actually
has
rebalancing
teams
that
they
send
out
whether
that
number
is
adequate
to
get
throughout.
The
entire
service
area
is
a
question
and
I
certainly
think
it's
something
we
can
address
with
individual
companies
when
they
come
in
for
their
permitting
and
then
there's
also
enforcement.
Although
we
all
know
that
enforcement
is
is,
as
they
have
a
lot
of
impacts
on
their
their
time
and
attention
do.
K
You
I
would
think
that
would
be
the
case
that
they
would
want
the
ability
to
have
a
free
floating
car
sure
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
That
would
be
something
that
they
would
want
and
desire,
and
so
they
would
and
we
would
have-
a
mechanism
by
which,
as
you
know,
we
could
revoke
those
permits
that
they
weren't
meeting
that
permitted
condition.
One.
T
Of
my
concerns
since
day
one
was
allowing
these
free-flowing
permits
on
every
permit.
Street
I
have
many
I
have
seven
streets,
I
think
it
is
actually
which
have
waiting
lists
and
I
felt
that
it
wouldn't
be
fair
to
bring
in
another
company
any
company
who
would
then
bump
a
resident?
Who
has
a
permit
right
now?
So
can
you
explain
to
me
what
your
report
is
suggesting
on
streets
which
are
either
weighted,
lit
waitlisted
of
95
percent
or
90
percent?
Were
you
coming
out
with
that,
and
this
is
I
mean
I
support
that?
K
The
staff
recommendation
that
we've
had
since
the
first
time
we
came
to
council
with
this
report
was
that
we
would
exclude
from
the
permit
locations
where
that
were
at
a
hundred
and
ten
capacity
or
wait-listed
capacity
for
for
free
floating
car
service
or
or
a
hundred
percent.
If
it
was
a
street
specific,
so
there's
zone
specific
and
street
specific,
so
a
hundred
percent.
K
Through
this
process,
we
had
been
asked
to
look
at
what
the
impact
would
be
if
we
restricted
those
streets
where
there
was
95
percent
capacity,
and
so
we've
created
a
proposal
or
a
map
related
to
that.
We
know
that
the
number
of
car
share
permits
were
the
that
the
number
of
parking
spots
would
be
decreased
with
our
proposal.
It's
a
7700
parking
spaces
would
be
excluded
based
on
those
wait-listed
streets.
At
this
time,
with
the
95
percent
capacity,
it
would
be
nine
thousand
nine
hundred
and
then
I
believe.
K
A
G
K
Q
K
K
C
K
Did
a
fair
amount
of
research
and
looping
in
with
companies
and
also
examination
of
our
permit
parking
system
to
come
up
with
that
waste,
the
wait-listed
capacity.
We
think
the
pilot
would
give
us
good
information
about
how
to
integrate
a
long
term
program,
and
so
that
is
why
it's
our
recommendation
and.
K
K
G
C
G
K
Correct
so
so
that
so
the
benefits
include
a
reduction
of
household
transportation
costs
a
reduction
overall,
the
vehicle
kilometers
traveled,
which
I
think
is
in
line
with
our
greenhouse
gas
and
emissions
interest
in
having
that
be
less
in
the
city
that
indicated
that
each
car
share
vehicle
resulted
in
about
29
thousand
fewer
vehicle,
kilometers
traveled
annually.
So.
G
G
G
And
let's
just
highlight
this
one
part
at
one
point
once
again,
because
there
was
some
confusion
at
the
last
meeting
about
this
and
we've
clarified
it
in
the
more
recent
report.
This
will
only
apply
to
currently
permitted
streets
correct.
So,
while
a
vehicle
may
park
for
a
short
duration
on
a
non
permitted
street
like
any
one
can
write,
it
would
have
to
return
to
a
permanent
Street
overnight,
for
instance,
or
long
durations
longer
than
three
hours
one
hour.
Whatever
the
parking
restriction
was
correct.
G
A
C
C
I
How
do
we
assure
that
inventory
if
we
have
such
a
variable
when
we
don't
know
for
certain
if
we
can
deliver
that
product
right,
that
people
are
paying
for
so
they
don't
know.
If
there's
going
to
be
one
or
five,
they
just
don't
know
how
many
car
to
go.
Cars
might
be
on
that
street.
So
just
for
the
principle,
but
how
do
we
assure
that
the
inventory
will
be
will
be
steady
and
assured.
K
Through
you,
madam
speakers,
so
the
the
question
is:
how
do
we
guarantee
the
person
who
has
that
permit
will
still
have
accessibility
on
their
Street
and
I?
Think
that's
the
reason
why
we've
been
asked
to
look
at
a
reduction
so
that
they're
still
capacity
so
there
would
still
be
the
ability
to
get
new
permits,
but
for
existing
permit
holders
the
rules
would
would
still
apply
to
them
and
if
because
the
CarShare
permits
would
not
be
additive
to
existing
permit
parking
permits,
they
would
be
basically
removed
from
the
system
correct.
D
Was
the
speaker
was
correct
until
the
point
about
removed
from
the
system
because
permits
or
otherwise
on
a
street
by
street
or
zone
by
zone
basis?
These
would
be
free-floating
for
all
zones
and
all
streets
with
applicable
permit
parking,
so
it
the
idea
would
be
if
they
would
be
in
addition
to
the
72,000
existing
apartment.
Okay,
so.
I
You're,
correct,
yes,
I
know,
thank
you.
That
was
clear
so
that,
if
you
could
just
help
help
me
understand
that
then
and
I'll
just
kind
of
repeat
that
for
I
think
it's
important
that
my
colleagues
understand
this,
because
this
is
my
principal
concern.
This
question
has
not
been
resolved
like
I
I,
like
the
idea
of
I,
like
the
ativ
car
share.
That's
not
my
concern.
I
I
F
D
On
their
street
or
zone
as
a
key
concern,
then
perhaps
the
supplementary
report
policy
and
bylaws
around
a
95%
cap
on
where
the
free
floating
car
sure
vehicles
are
able
to
park.
Maybe
that
would
meet
Council's
need
in
that
regard,
because
that
would
only
allow
the
free-floating
car
sir
vehicles
to
park
on
streets
that
have
at
least
a
5%
capacity
in
our
system.
Masks.
D
The
speaker
this
this
is
conceived
as
a
pilot
project
to
report
back
on
what
the
potential
impacts
might
be.
It
was
capped
at
a
hundred
percent
or
a
wait
list
of
knowing
that
we're
really
talking
about
potentially
two
companies
with
up
to
a
thousand
vehicles
across
the
entire
source
of
permit
parking
spots,
72,000
spaces
across
the
city,
although
focused
in
the
core,
where
there's
interest
in
using
this
type
of
service,
but
still
it's
potentially
a
thousand
up
to
two
thousand.
I
I
know
conclude
by
just
asking
you
to
consider
as
we
move
forward
with
whatever
we
do,
that
there.
There
are
a
number
of
there
number
of
residents
who
are
concerned
about
the
scofflaw
aspect
of
this
company,
where
there
are
existing
chef
problems
with
them
sort
of
parking
wherever
they
want,
and
there
are
concerns
that
that
could
exacerbate
the
existing
conditions
through.
D
Speak
I'll
add
that
the
company
that's
operating
in
this
manner
currently
is
operating
without
a
legal
framework
for
us
to
manage
their
their
operations.
But
there
are
other
companies
who
are
interested
in
coming
to
city
of
Toronto
to
work,
but
only
if
there
is
a
framework
in
place
because
they
want
to
follow
the
rules
and
we
have
systems
in
place
in
this
proposed
program.
That
would
allow
us
to,
as
the
GM
said,
to
remove
companies
who
are
not
complying.
A
B
K
B
K
Through
you,
the
the
service
area
for
the
the
service
area
that
we
have
for
the
only
free
floating
company-
that's
in
Toronto
right
now
cart
ago,
is
that's
the
service
area
that
they
define,
and
so
that
would
not
change
the
number
of
available
spaces.
The
only
thing
that
would
change
that
is
if
we
did
not
allow
the
companies
to
end
their
trip
on
fewer
streets
that
were
currently
in
the
program.
B
D
Through
the
speaker
to
clarify
previously,
the
free
floating
car
share
permit
would
be
exempt
from
the
three-hour
limit
in
an
area
but
would
not
to
park
overnight
as
per
the
local
bylaws
on
those
streets
outside
of
the
core.
In
this
case,
we've
come
back
and
we've
we've
heard
concerns
about
that.
The
it's
only
in
the
residential
permit
parking
locations
where
there's
a
we're
allowed
to
be
longer
than
three
hours
right.
I
D
B
B
B
So
you've
now
restricted
the
area
down
to
only
those
areas
that
have
permanent
parking.
So
the
number
of
spaces
no
I,
understand
you're,
saying
the
company
wants
to
use
only
that
area
anyway,
but
there
was
a
potential
that,
beyond
that,
they
could
use
other
areas
in
the
first
model
versus
this
through.
K
K
B
R
You,
as
we've
gone
around
the
merry-go-round
on
this
one,
had
this
study
come
back
a
number
of
times,
I've
raised
and
both
on
the
floor
of
counseling
with
you
directly
that
I
didn't
feel
the
enforcement
mechanism
was
sufficient.
What
is
what
is
different
in
terms
of
the
enforcement
mechanism
in
this
report
than
in
the
previous
one?
D
Through
the
speaker,
we
have
established
within
this
report
that
a
enforcement
framework
would
be
signed
off
as
part
of
the
permit
issuance
process,
and
that
would
be
tracked
in
terms
of
being
clear
that
the
general
manager
of
transportation
services
has
the
authority
to
withdraw,
terminate
permits
of
companies
that
are
not
meeting
the
compliance
rates
that
we
establish
as
part
of
the
permit
issuance
process.
That's
one
of
the
key
changes
with
regard
to
compliance.
D
The
second
key
change
with
regard
to
compliance
or
related
to
that
is
in
terms
of
the
payment
process,
that
of
the
collection
of
payments
related
to
tickets
that
have
been
issued
to
the
companies
we've
established
in
the
supplementary
report
that
companies
that
hire
non-payment
of
tickets
of
less
than
80%
in
the
preceding
six
months
would
not
be
issued
permits
through
this
program.
Okay,.
R
R
R
In
this
report,
it
says
that
they're
going
to
write
it
into
the
terms
of
agreement
with
the
people
participating
in
the
pilot
that
the
general
manager
can
cancel
their
participation
if
they
violate
x.
Y&Amp;Z
rules
is
that
sufficiently
strong
language
that
we're
not
going
to
be
at
risk
of
them
coming
at
us
for
damages
and
therefore
chill
the
the
city
from
using
that
power.
I
know
that
we
have
powers
that
sometimes
we're
afraid
to
use
because
of
the
legal
consequences.
N
R
You
so
much
that
helps
me
now.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
this
study
from
Berkeley
and
I
was
just
I,
just
I've
taken
the
time
to
look
it
up
and
I
note
that
the
cities
they
study,
where
Calgary
San
Diego
Seattle
Vancouver
Washington,
do
any
of
those
cities
have
mode
shares
that
are
remotely
similar
to
what
we
have
in
the
study
area
here
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
my
memory
is
something
like
forty
five
percent
of
the
households
in
this
area.
Don't
even
have
a
vehicle
in
the
household
through.
K
R
R
K
Think
that,
although
there's
certainly
in
a
densification
intensification
in
this
city,
that
is
far
and
above
the
other
cities
that
you
mentioned,
the
trends
are
comparable
among
the
four,
the
five
cities
that
have
been
studied,
and
so
we
believe
that
the
trends
would
be
similar
in
other
cities
as
applied.
There
might
be
other
ancillary
impacts,
but
the
trends
in
terms
of
vehicle
ownership
and
the
ability
to
reduce
the
number
of
vehicle
miles
traveled
for
vehicle
kilometers,
traveled
I'm.
R
Just
not
aware
of
a
mid-sized
city
that
has
vehicle
ownership
rates
and,
like
around
fifty
percent,
I'm,
not
aware
of
a
single
one.
None
of
these
and
I
don't
see
anything
any
of
the
cities
studied
to
have
anything
like
they
intensity,
intensification
or
the
low
vehicle
ownership
rate
that
we
would
experience
in
planning
district
1,
which
is
roughly
to
study
area,
do.
K
You
I
think
you're,
accurate
council
approaches
that
this
is
a.
This
is
a
different
scenario.
It's
a
much
more
intensive
scenario
with
certainly
a
lot
fewer
vehicle
owner
vehicles
owned
right
now
and
I
think
that,
as
I
said
earlier,
I
think
the
trends
in
many
cases
would
be
comparable,
but
certainly
there
there's
there's
a
difference
there
and
they
used
those
cities.
As
to
my
understanding,
because
those
were
the
companies
that
had
some
longevity
with
free-floating
car
share
and
they
wanted.
R
K
H
I
really
want
to
understand
the
rationale
for
a
100
percent
threshold
for
the
areas
where
the
permits
would
be
where
the
cars
would
be
allowed
to
go
versus
the
95,
which
was
contained
in
the
report
versus
the
notional
idea
of
the
90,
which
puts
it
on
equal
footing
to
what
we
know
as
temporary
permits
or
visitor's
permits,
and
really
I
want
to
zoom
in
on
the
Delta
between
the
90
and
the
95.
Can
I
can
I
have
staffs
estimation
as
to
why
we've
gone
to
the
night?
Why
you're
recommending
more
than
90.
D
We've
certainly
looked
at
some
scenarios
around
a
concept
of
a
95
percent
capacity
and
and
as
was
spoken
to
by
the
general
manager,
there's
there's
a
good
reason
for
council
to
me
to
want
to
do
that
as
part
of
a
pilot
project
instead
of
a
hundred
percent
waitlisted
areas
with
a
90
percent
capacity.
You,
you
exclude
17,000
parking
spots
on
you
and
you
really
make
the
program
as
such
that
it's
it's
much
more
difficult
and
unviable
to
operate.
D
As
a
pilot
to
your
point
about
the
visitor
parking
and
the
temporary
parking
permit
system,
some
councillors
have
asked
if
there's
a
way
that
that
could
be
motioned
and
approved
by
council
to
change
the
threshold
for
visitor
temporary
parking
permits
to
match
a
95
percent
as
part
of
this
program,
and
we've
worked
with
legal
on
some
language
there,
and
that
could
certainly
be
done
if
that
was
council's
wish.
So.
H
I
appreciate
you
have
neither
recommended
nor
recommended
against
the
95
percent
threshold
is
the
only
lens
the
commercial
viability.
Have
we
looked
at
the
rights
privileges
concerns
things
that
we
have
to
take
an
account
from
the
perspective
of
the
residents.
So
how
do
you
balance
out
those
two?
Those
two
competing
factors
through.
D
The
speaker
counselor,
that's
a
great
question
in
terms
of
being
able
to
provide
mobility
options
to
more
residents.
The
the
95
or
a
wait-listed
option
certainly
provides
more
certainty
on
whether
they
can
park
a
free
floating
car
through
vehicle
on
their
Street
or
a
street
nearby
to
where
they
live
versus.
When
it's
a
option
where
it
more
areas
are
excluded,
then
they
have
less
ability
to
take
those
options
for
transportation.
D
The
origins
destinations
the
nature
of
the
demographics,
the
people
who
are
using
the
service
so
that
we
can
report
back
about
the
impacts
to
residents
and
make
a
recommendation
that
that
doesn't
undue
impact,
those
who
have
permits
but
provides
the
benefits
that
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
mobility
choices
for
those
people
who
don't
have
their
own
vehicle.
So.
H
This
covers
the
entire
four
one:
six
geographically,
with
the
exception
of
the
wards
that
don't
have
any
on
street,
permit
parking
geographically
correct,
okay,
but
the
companies
have
chosen
to
self
limit
their
programs,
or
at
least
the
company
that
we
know
of
has
self
limited
to
the
downtown
core,
but
that's
their
choice,
not
ours.
That's.
H
D
H
And
and
I
just
we
have
a
couple
seconds
left.
Can
you
just
provide
some
comments
on
the
geofencing
technology
and
any
confidence
you
have
around
that
that
adjustments?
Tweaks,
you
know,
changes
through
the
program
can
be
accommodated
by
the
service
provider
at
a
fairly
granular
level.
It's
really
what
I'm
getting
at
is.
This
technology
is
actually
is
the
heart
of
this
program
and
enabling
it
to
work,
and
therefore
there
is
some
flexibility
in
it.
D
Through
the
speaker,
yes,
the
Geo
sensing
technology,
it
when
you
use
your
phone
and
it's
able
to
show
where
you
are
through
location
services.
This
is
the
way
that
it
operates
with
the
way
that
the
use
of
car
share
vehicles
and
a
free-floating
car
short
program
is
set
up.
It's
such
that
the
areas
in
which
the
vehicles
are
permitted
to
park
are
geofences,
either
in
or
out
of
a
service
area.
So,
if
you're
not
on
a
street
in
which
you're
permitted
to
park,
you
actually
cannot
end
your
rental
trip
in
the
app
yesterday.
D
That
is
how
it
works
today
on
certain
streets
that
that
the
car
share
companies
know
there's
too
much
risk
for
for
permits
or
in
areas
outside
of
the
service
area
in
which
they
want
to
operate.
This
would
allow
us,
as
as
a
City
of
Toronto,
with
councils
blessing
to
set
the
operating
area
within
the
permit
parking
zones.
K
Certainly
car2go
when
we
came
to
the
council
in
September,
had
paid
about
55
or
40
some-odd
percent
of
their
infractions
they've
since
increased
that
somewhat
and
the
concern
about
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
added
language
that
if
the
companies
did
not
have
a
good
chunk
to
80%
of
their
infractions
in
compliance,
we
would
not
issue
permits.
So.
N
D
K
Previously
had
only
paid
thirty
four
percent
and
now
they've
paid
fifty
three
percent
of
their
outstanding
infractions
for
2017,
which
is
what
we
have
the
data
yeah.
Well,
we
have
twenty
eighteen
data,
but
it's
quite
small,
it's
a
small
number,
although
they
haven't
necessarily
paid
a
significant
amount
of
their
infractions.
Some
of
those
are
in
process
and
some
of
those
are
outstanding
for
sure
and.
K
Well,
they
so
card
ago
today
has
about
450
cars
in
operation.
They
had
expressed
an
interest
previously,
two
or
three
others
have
expressed
an
interest
to
that
are
currently
in
operation
within
the
city,
but
not
in
a
free-floating
model,
and
then
we've
also
heard
from
a
one
other,
maybe
two
others.
I
think
a
montreal
company,
that's
interested.
Oh
sorry,
two
or
three
total
have
expressed
an
interest
councillor.
N
N
D
N
K
You
we
again
were
trying
to
balance
the
impacts
of
the
viability
along
with
the
residents
who
are
interested
in
utilized
this
service
to
have
access
to
Park
in
those
locations.
So
that
was
the
initial
thinking,
I
think
over
the
course
of
the
conversations
with
Council
in
getting
more
information
about
this.
The
significant
concerns
around
capacity
for
permit
parking.
We
came
back
and
introduced
some
additional
scenarios,
so.
N
You'd
agree
with
me
that
you
could
rent
a
car
in
very
a
commercial
vehicle
in
Barry
Drive,
to
Toronto,
to
see
your
grandchild
but
be
unable
to
get
a
permit
to
stay
overnight
on
the
street.
Meanwhile,
a
commercial
car
operation
could
simply
park
there
with
one
of
these
permits.
The
way
this
is
even
set
up.
Currently,
we.
N
K
N
K
K
K
I
And
this-
and
you
did
a
great
presentation
at
that
committee-
I
wish
we
were
doing
it
here
today,
but
that
was
a
great
presentation
in
there.
You
talked
a
little
bit
about
a
number
well
a
number
of
things,
but
the
impact
on
the
environment
that
this
car
share
program
could
have.
Could
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
those
aspects?
I
K
One
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
was
the
reduction
of
greenhouse
gases
and
emissions
and,
as
I
mentioned
through
councillor
Layton's
questions.
The
the
one
study
that
we
have
looked
at
indicated
that
there
was
29,000
view
fewer
vehicle,
kilometers
traveled
with
every
car
share
company,
which
translates
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
So.
K
I
K
Think
there's
a
number
of
demographics
that
would
benefit
certainly
in
areas
where
there's
good
transit
service
and
there's
good
alternatives
so
that
you
don't
actually
feel
like.
You
need
to
own
a
car
for
every
trip,
certainly
in
house
where
you
have
where
people
don't
own
a
vehicle
in
Toronto
and
East
York
33%
of
households
currently
do
not
own
their
own
vehicle.
K
Certainly,
we've
heard
examples
of
people
who
don't
want
to
own
a
car,
perhaps
because
as
seniors,
they
don't
want
the
burden
of
owning
a
car
financially,
but
they
would
like
to
drive
every
now
and
again
or
families
that
are
expanding
with
children
that
are
becoming
of
driving
age.
Who
would
like
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
a
vehicle
without
having
to
fund
the
cost
of
purchase
and
insurance
and
all
the
other
related
costs.
So.
I
Would
you
say
it
fits
in
nicely
to
the
transportation
network,
the
overall
network,
whether
you're
a
pedestrian,
cyclist
own,
a
bike
or
you're
our
car
owner?
But
you
have
several
members
in
your
family:
does
it
really
cover
off
all
aspects
of
the
family
life
as
well
as
the
transportation
network?
Is
it?
Is
it
part
and
parcel
off
or
could
it
be
through.
K
I
Thanks
Sarah
I
think
I'm
shell-shocked
by
all
the
okay,
and
just
not
to
emphasize
this
too
much
but
I'm.
Just
thinking
of
a
lot
of
us
probably
have
some
of
us
have
children
in
this
age
group,
but
I,
don't
know
how
to
I
don't
want
to
label
them,
but
they're,
currently,
dot
generations
call
but
I
find
a
lot
of
young
people.
I'll
call
them
don't
actually
own
cars,
certainly
in
downtown
Toronto,
but
even
all
over
Toronto.
I
K
K
Those
who
have
the
ability
to
drive
are
certainly
deferring
the
purchase
of
a
car,
because
the
costs
are
significant
and
if
they're
interested
in
living
in
a
downtown
location
where
the
costs
of
housing
are
also
significant
reduction
in
that
monthly
transportation
bill
is
important,
so
they
often
will
use
options
or
alternatives
such
as
transit
or
car
share
or
cycling
or
walking.
So.
I
K
A
E
The
families
that
have
the
second
car
sometimes
go
to
one
car
so
that,
while
it
seems
counterintuitive
that
you're
adding
cars
over
a
process
of
time-
and
my
question
is
how
long
does
that
process
take
at
the
beginning,
I
imagine
there's
a
bump
up
and
then
eventually
you're
actually
producing
more
spots
on
streets
for
cars.
Your.
K
K
E
Thing
just
to
confirm
if
I'm
in
the
downtown
area
and
I
want
to
go
to
concert,
Fraga
taxes,
ward,
I
park,
the
car
Bango
trips
over
cost
is
done.
If
I'm
in
the
downtown
area,
which
my
ward
is
kind
of
downtown
and
I
go
to
visit
councillor
Fillion
then
I
can
park
the
car,
but
that
meters
running
that's
a
very
expensive
trip,
because
it's
outside
the
downtown
area.
So
really
the
suburban
councillor,
is
concerned
about
them
being
flooded
with
all
these
overnight
parking
folks,
highly
unlikely
that
that
would
occur.
F
F
Darkus
so
I
have
a
motion
if
the
clerk's
can
put
it
up,
it's
three
parts
and
the
first
is
really
the
first
two
parts
are
really
about
equity
and
since
we
have
permits
sorry
our
current
rule,
that
is,
if
the
parking
allocation
is
90%
or
higher
in
an
area
we
stopped
issuing
visitor
parking
permits.
I
specially
think
that
the
cutoff
for
free
floating
parking
permits
should
be
the
same
as
well
when
this
was
before
us
earlier
this
year.
It
was
a
12-month
pilot,
the
Bloor
Street
bike
pilot
was
12
months.
F
The
King
Street
transit
pilot
is
12
months.
A
regular
permit
parking
permits
are
issued
for
12
months.
So
really
it's
a
question
of
equity.
For
me,
there's
nothing
in
the
report
that
says
why
it's
suddenly
18
months
so
I
think
12
months
makes
sense,
so
I'm
hopeful
that
this
pilot
actually
might
produce
some
solutions
to
the
transportation
woes
that
and
parking
problems
that
we
many
of
us
currently
face.
F
However,
when
one
reviews,
the
studies
cited
in
this
report,
how
this
will
actually
play
out
is
not
as
clear
as
one
might
think
at
first.
So
one
key
study
cited
in
the
report
is
by
Martin
and
Shaheen
and
Martin
and
Shaheen
noted
in
their
own
study
that
one
of
the
major
survey
limitations
with
that
was
that
it
was
a
one-time
inquiry
of
before
and
after
travel
patterns.
This
required
respondents
to
provide
aggregate
annual
information
of
travel
activity
prior
to
car
sharing.
F
So
essentially,
that
study
is
based
on
a
survey
that
asked
short-term
car
rental
users
after
the
fact
about
their
changes
in
behavior
as
well.
The
study
was
done
right
after
the
economic
crisis
10
years
ago,
and
yet
they
did
a
survey
of
a
control
group.
That
study
also
cited
another
study
done
way
back
in
2001.
F
That's
about
what,
17
years
ago,
of
a
small
Vancouver
car
sharing
cooperative
that
engaged
in
various
measures
to
encourage
alternative
travel
methods
by
its
members,
and
this
is
where
some
of
the
numbers
about
how
successful
these
programs
so
I
put
it
to
you
that
the
behavior
of
a
small
group
of
early
adopters
in
Vancouver
may
not
play
out
in
the
same
way
here
with
a
large
scale
program.
The
Martin
and
Shaheen
report
also
notes
about
their
survey
across
the
entire
sample.
F
The
results
showed
an
overall
decline
in
public
transit
use
that
was
statistically
significant
and
as
well.
Car
sharing
facilitates
both
an
increase
and
decrease
in
autumn,
oh
you'll,
automobile
use
by
urban
residents.
So
when
you
dig
into
the
details
of
these
reports,
it's
not
quite
the
rosy
picture
that
these
companies,
public
relations
folks
have
been
telling
people,
for
example,
I,
have
concerns
about
the
impact
of
clustering
and
our
ability
to
enforce
that.
F
We've
had
not
had
a
really
good
track
record
about
enforcing
rules
with
these
companies,
given
the
number
of
parking
and
sorry
the
infractions
that
they
have
that
we
have
in
this
report
here
that
we
got
dated
in
February
some
750,000
dollars
for
one
company
in
particular.
Even
the
environmental
gains
are
actually
not
written
in
stone.
To
be
frank
in
my
ward,
people
with
parking
permits
drive
around
in
a
in
circles,
trying
to
find
a
spot
to
park
in,
and
they
actually
have
a
permit.
F
So
this
actually
think
will
make
it
worse,
but
having
to
rebalance
cars
will
also
create
some
congestion.
There
is
some
good
news,
though,
if
this
service
truly
does
decrease
car
ownership,
that
should
decrease
the
demand
for
permit
parking
and,
as
that
decreases,
that
will
mean
more
parking
places
will
become
available.
So
that
gives
me
some
hope,
so
I'm
willing
to
support
a
pilot,
that's
fair
and
reasonable,
and
my
third
motion
in
the
longer
motion
speaks
to
that.
F
We
get
everybody
to
pay
up
their
fines
and
penalties
before
they're
allowed
to
be
issued
any
permits
that
would
allow
them
to
participate
in
the
pilot,
which
I
think
is
only
fair,
so
I'm
willing
to
support
something
like
this.
That's
fair
and
reasonable.
I
think
that
the
car
company's
customers
will
get
to
cut
in
line
somewhat,
but
they
won't
get
right
to
the
front
of
the
line
and
there
are
some
unknown
elements
like
getting
the
clustering
right
and
the
enforcement
issues,
which
means
that
there
could
be
some
serious
unintended
consequences.
F
N
F
E
There
is
some
ample
global
evidence
that
shows
that
when
you
introduce
car
sharing
types
of
strategies
that
the
number
of
cars
in
geographic
here
is
actually
shrink
over
I,
if
we
don't
know
how
long,
but
they
actually
shrink
over
time.
So
if,
if
that
is
the
case,
then
we
should
try
it
to
see
what
happens
in
the
Canadian
case.
We
know
that
parking
on
streets
are
in
a
premium.
I
think
that's.
E
Why
we're
seeing
some
of
the
passion
around
here,
but
we're
only
going
to
know
if
this
works
and
frankly,
I
think
our
younger
generation
they
want
this.
They
can't
afford
that
$20,000
car
expense
plus
all
the
other
things.
Car
sharing
is
here
to
come
here
to
stay
and
we're
gonna.
Do
it
I
think
through
a
little
bit
of
trial
and
error,
let's
try
it
and
let's,
let's
see
how
it
all
works
in
our
community,
so
I
support
this.
So
this
pilot
going
forward.
Thank
you.
T
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
will
try
and
be
quick.
I
do
have
one
motion,
because
my
other
motion
overlaps
a
little
bit
with
councillor
Fraga
Dockers,
which
I
will
be
asking
us
to
break
down.
My
one
motion
is
basically
asking
that
community
council
will
have
the
authority
to
revisit
the
lists
of
the
streets
which
have
been
excluded
from
this
project,
so
we
can
either
at
the
six-month
issue.
When
permits
normally
go
out,
we
can
either
add
streets
or
remove
streets.
This
is
a
motion.
T
T
Some
of
my
streets
have
five
to
seven
cars
parked
on
their
Street
overnight.
This
is
a
street
specific
permit
parking,
so
the
person
who
has
paid
for
a
permit
cannot
find
a
spot
on
their
street.
They
definitely
have
to
park
on
another
Street
I'm,
getting
complaints
that
they
then
get
ticketed,
because
they're
not
parking
on
the
street.
They
have
a
permit
for
to
me.
This
report
gives
us
a
big
solution
to
change
that.
The
report
says
we
could
have
up
to
2,000
cars.
T
T
I
think
it
was
attachment
for
shows
which
Ward's
this
will
actually
be
allowed
to
be
used
in,
and
there's
27
out
of
right
now,
44
Awards,
where
this
pilot
project
can
work
because
it
has
to
be
a
street
which
has
permitting
it
can't
be
a
street
where
there's
no
permit
permitting
at
all.
So
this
will
not
be
allowing
cars
to
park
overnight
when
none
are
allowed
right.
Now,
I
really
want
to
reassure
residents
there
and
I
support
actly.
T
T
It
will
help
improve
congestion,
because
what
this
will
do
is
it
will
allow
people
who
don't
need
a
car
every
day
to
use
a
car
when
they
need
it,
leave
it
in
front
of
their
house
and
that
by
doing
that
with
rather
than
having
to
put
it
back
in
a
specific
spot,
we
encourage
people
to
use
this
kind
of
floating
permit
cars,
so
it
will
reduce
the
number
of
cars
people
own.
It
may
take
a
bit
of
time,
but
it's
the
first
that
we
need
to
do
so.
T
Basically,
I
am
saying
to
councillors
and
I'm
not
going
to
use
much
more
time.
Please
support
my
motion.
Let
us
look
at
the
streets
which
are
being
excluded
or
the
streets
which
are
being
allowed.
Please
support
letting
this
pilot
project
move
forward.
We
need
to
sort
out
what
is
going
on
on
our
streets.
Now
my
residents
have
been
up
in
arms
about
getting
tickets
for
something
which
we
have
no
control
over.
We
have
to
be
able
to
help
our
residents
solve
that
problem.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Well,
you
know
it
doesn't
seem
that
there
are
too
many
accounts.
Sirs
are
even
listening
to
the
speakers.
There's
a
lot.
A
lot
of
conversations
going
on
here,
like
counselor
yeah
counts
to
me:
have
it
counts
if
I
go
darkus
party
I
know,
but
we
can't
hear
councillor
Fletcher
yeah,
okay,
counsel,
Fletcher.
You
have
a
question
to
counselor
to
set
yes,
okay,.
N
T
N
Are
cars,
clustering
on
a
street
up
to
five
from
a
car
company
and
staying
overnight,
correct
I'm,
assuming
they're,
getting
ticketed
correct,
and
now
we've
heard
from
our
staff
that
the
same
companies
that
are
getting
ticketed
aren't
paying
their
tickets.
Meanwhile,
your
residents
have
to
pay
their
permit
or
they're
getting
a
ticket
and
they
have
to
pay.
T
My
understanding
is
that,
when
this
pilot
goes
forward,
we
are
requesting
that
the
companies
put
the
ticket
back
to
the
driver.
Therefore,
I
believe
these
drivers
will
not,
which
our
residents
will
not
just
be
dumping
a
car
where
they
feel
like
it,
because
they,
if
it's
not
allowed
to
be
there,
will
then
actually
have
to
pay
for
the
ticket
that
will
also
reduce
the
expense
I
hear
that
from
the
companies.
Yes,
talking
about
how
odd.
N
T
Feel
that
the
pilot
project
is
like
one
of
my
questions
was
during
this
pilot
project
did
stuff
feel
that
the
companies
who
are
included
in
this
pilot
project
will
actually
try
and
abide
by
crossing
over
T's
and
dotting
all
the
I's,
because
in
the
future,
they'd
like
this
to
continue
I
feel
by
putting
the
cost
of
that
ticket
back
to
the
driver,
loved
and
the
company.
It
will
actually
clear
up
a
lot
and
also
this
clustering
clause
will
alleviate
that.
So
that's
why
I
do
support
the
pilot
project.
If.
N
S
H
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
have
a
motion.
It's
brief.
It
is
just
requesting
regular
reporting
on
this
at
frequent
intervals,
but
I'm
going
to
speak
to
this
further
in
just
a
moment.
I
want
to
express
my
gratitude
to
staff
for
taking
on
this
policy
file,
it's
being
before
us
a
number
of
times
and
in
each
time
it
has
seen
improvement
and
further
thought
done
to
it.
I
think
it's
at
at
a
point
that
we
can
all
find
a
way
to
support
some
form
of
it
and
that's
about
to
happen.
H
I
think
through
a
series
of
motions,
I
want
to
speak
to
councilor.
Two
sets
motion.
I.
Think
her
motion
is
exceptionally
important
because
I
think
it
provides
a
safety
escape
valve
that
if
there
is
not
something
that
is
just
right,
that
it
can
be
dealt
with
in
a
manner
through
a
community
council
or
through
a
body
through
my
experience
on
community
council
I
see
how
sensitive
parking
is
it
makes
or
breaks
one's
life.
It
is
very
difficult
and
I
appreciate.
H
In
terms
of
my
motion,
III
really,
my
intention
is-
is
that
I
would
be
happy
to
to
ask
that
it
be
taken
away.
Should
counselor
do
sets
motion
pass
I,
don't
want
to
ask
the
staff
to
come
on
a
quarterly
basis,
but,
sir,
to
her.
Her
motion
not
pass
I
hope
mine
would
stand,
and
that
would
be
another
way
to
re-examine
this
process
at
a
regular
interval,
and
the
last
thing
I'll
just
make
note
of
is
I,
do
take
issue
with
the
outstanding
tickets.
H
I
think
the
sentiment
of
this
council
is
that
they
should
be
paid
up
in
full,
and
my
questions
to
staff
were
not.
These
were
not
tickets
in
dispute.
They
are
tickets
that
have
legitimately
been
determined
that
should
be
paid
and
for
whatever
reason,
payment
has
not
been
received.
I
think
in
terms
of
the
taxpayers
of
this
city,
part
of
our
role
is
to
make
sure
that
those
funds
are
collected
and
motions
that
help
ensure
that
gets
done.
I
think
are
a
positive
thing
with
that.
H
H
A
R
Have
spent
an
alarming
amount
of
time
trying
to
decide
what
to
do
on
this
issue.
Councillor
Layton
has
been
well.
You
know
I'm
deaf
in
one
year
now,
as
a
result
of
the
conversations
I've
been
having
with
him
I
think
it's
important
to
step
back
and
ask
ourselves
what
we're
really
doing
here,
because
there's
some
there's
some
ways.
We
talk
about
this
that
actually
don't
bear
any
relationship
to
reality.
The
first
is,
we
have
to
be
very
clear.
This
is
not
about
citizens
in
the
City
of
Toronto
sharing
cars.
R
There's
no
sharing
of
cars
going
on
here.
What
is
happening
is
in
the
global
marketplace
for
transportation,
particularly
in
large
cities.
The
young
generation,
that's
younger
than
me,
is
buying
cars
and
getting
driver's
licenses
at
a
much
lower
rate
than
my
generation
did.
In
other
words,
the
Daimler,
the
Daimler's
and
Fords
and
Chryslers
of
the
world
are
and
not
you
councilor
Ford
are
losing
market
share
in
the
transportation
marketplace,
they're
losing
it
dramatically.
R
Daimler
wants
people
driving
cars,
they
don't
want
them
riding
bicycles,
they
don't
want
them
on
public
transit
and
they
don't
want
them
walk
to
work,
because,
if
that
happens,
Daimler
doesn't
do
the
one
thing
that
they
do
and
have
to
do,
which
is
return,
a
profit
to
their
shareholders.
The
effect
of
short-term
car
rental,
free-floating,
sharp,
sharp,
short-term
car
rental
is
to
take
a
public
asset
our
streets
and
provide
it
as
a
means
for
a
car
company
to
increase
their
market
share
and
make
more
profit.
That
is
a
fact.
It's
indisputable.
R
R
Okay,
be
clear
your
minds,
that's
what
we're
doing.
The
second
thing
is
that
it's
argued
can
over
and
over
again
that
there
is
an
environmental
benefit
here,
because
we
would
reduce
the
overall
amount
of
vehicle
travel
and
that's
based
largely
on
a
study
done
by
a
group,
that's
affiliated
with
the
University
of
Berkeley
the
work
they
did
by
the
way
never
appeared
in
any
peer-reviewed
journal.
It
was
bought
by
a
Department
of
Transportation
I
believe
in
California.
R
They
wanted
a
study
done,
so
it
was
paid
for
by
a
government,
and
the
data
was
supplied
by
car2go,
never
peer-reviewed,
and
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
are
wrong
with
that
study
that
we
need
to
be
mindful
of,
if
we're
going
to
use
that
as
any
kind
of
guide
on
the
environmental
benefits.
The
first
is
that
the
cities
that
we're
being
compared
to
are
Calgary
San,
Diego,
Seattle,
Vancouver
and
Washington,
not
a
single
one
of
those
cities,
has
anything
like
the
overall
mode
share
that
we
have.
R
Nor
do
they
have
the
very
high
percentage
of
households
that
do
not
own
cars.
In
the
study
area,
the
percentage
of
households
that
do
not
own
cars
is
somewhere
between
45
and
50
percent,
so
the
likely
likelihood
is
that
actually
we
are
going
to
have
many
more
people
who
are
not
driving
currently
start
driving.
R
As
a
result
of
this
pilot,
the
data-
that's
that's
here,
simply
isn't
comparable
if
they
had
compared
us
to
Manhattan
or
Berlin
or
Paris
or
Munich
or
London
or
some
other
city
that
has
the
kind
of
core
density
and
core
mode
share
that
we
have
I
might
rely
on
it.
The
other
thing
that's
wrong
with
their
study
is
its
it's
all
self-reported
and
it's
based
on
a
one-year
period.
R
People
don't
make
long-term
decisions
about
whether
they're
going
to
buy
a
car
in
a
year.
If
you
look
at
any
of
the
work
that
happens,
around
mold
changes,
people
deciding
to
get
rid
of
their
car
and
take
public
transit.
If
you
look
at
places
like
Zurich,
where
they've
actually
been
able
to
affect
that
it
takes
about
a
decade,
because
that's
how
long
people
hold
their
cars
for
so
a
one-year
study
self-reporting
doesn't
tell
us
anything.
R
So
no
sharing
and
very
big
doubts
on
whether
there's
a
congestion
or
environmental
benefit.
We
need
to
be
mindful
of
that.
That
being
said,
while
I
have
doubts,
I
don't
have
proof
and
when
I
have
doubts
and
not
proof,
I
can
live
with
a
pilot
study.
But
I
want
us
to
be
very
mindful
that
within
that
year
we
will
not
see
the
kind
of
mode
share
that
some
people
won't
share.
Switch
that
some
people
who
are
advocating
for
this.
That.
A
B
So
what
this
does
it
says?
Okay,
we
will
allow
temporary
parking
for
visitors
at
95%
and
I
hope
that
and
I
will
support
the
recommendation
for
95%,
which
is
councilor,
Fraga
de
casas.
Second
fallback
position
in
terms
of
the
capacity
we
have
will
provide
or
the
areas
that
we
will
provide
access
for
car
to
go
and
I
hope
hope.
That's
understandable.
It
makes
it
fair
and
consistent
for
people
we
want
to
allow
on
or
permit
holders
have
access.
B
Because
of
all
of
the
issues
that
I
deal
with,
probably
on
the
most
frequent
basis
in
terms
of
complaints,
it
has
to
do
with
parking.
We
are
a
very
dense,
congested,
downtown
urban
neighborhood
in
one
half
of
my
ward
and
the
other
half
is
a
more
suburban
orientation
with
driveways
and
people
who
have
cars
and
parking
on
site.
B
So
there
is
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
people
want
to
use
car
to
go
and
other
temporary
car
rental
arrangements
and
don't
own
cars
and
use
this
as
one
mode
of
transportation
mixed
with
the
use
of
public
transit.
Lots
of
people
are
doing
that.
My
children
do
that
they
also
combine
it
with
other
modes
of
transportation
like
cycling
and
taxis,
and
they
risk
their
lives
if
they
take
uber.
B
In
these
massive
multi-million
dollar
corporations
are
moving
into
delivering
public
transit,
and
so
that
worries
me
that
if
more
and
more
access
to
the
public
realm,
the
public
right-of-way
even
TTC,
is
looking
at
the
uber
bus
or
whatever.
They
call
it
that
we
will
lose
the
basic
orientation
that
we
have
right
now,
which
is
to
print
it,
which
is
to
improve
access,
reliability
and
quality
of
public
transit
to
make
it
the
number
one
choice
for
urban
transit
in
our
city,
along
with
cycling
and
other
active
transit.
Thank
you.
Caocao.
A
S
B
S
B
At
95
percent,
if
that
carries
I,
don't
know
it
will
happen
if
they
don't
match
at
the
end
of
the
day
today,
but
right
now,
95
percent.
If
there
are
no
residents
seeking
a
permit,
in
other
words
everyone
who
lives
there,
a
resident
lives
there
has
got
a
permit.
That
wants
a
permit,
there's
no
waitlist
for
residents
and
it's
at
95
percent
or
90
percent
right
now,
then
we
will
have
visitor
parking.
Allow
visitor
parking
so.
B
B
S
B
S
N
Would
call
the
question
I'm
going
to
speak
very
quickly
because
councillor
Davis
has
sorted
out
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
a
problem
that
originally,
what
was
brought
to
us
was
very
unfair
because,
as
these
are
temporary
overnight
permits.
Technically
that's
what
you've
got.
They
have
the
right
to
stay
overnight
and.
N
So
does
somebody
else
coming
in
from
out
of
town
and
it
would
have
set
two
different
playing
fields
so,
right
now,
that's
one
playing
field.
It
would
be
the
same
I'm
going
to
support
councillor
Fraga
Dacus
at
ninety
percent,
because
that's
what
we've
had
for
visitor
parking.
That's
been
our
threshold
and
our
standard,
and
after
six
months,
let's
see
how
that
goes,
we
can
add
streets.
We
can
make
some
changes.
We
can
come
back
and
make
it
I'd
rather
start
slowly.
N
I
have
a
real
problem
with
five
cars
on
a
street
counselor
Seth's
area
clustering,
five
cars
over
and
over
and
over
again
wrapping
up
ticket
after
ticket
after
ticket,
not
paying
it
and
then
coming
and
saying.
Well,
we
want
to
stay
overnight
on
the
street,
so
whoever
has
the
most
in
this
says.
Well,
you
have
to
pay
your
fines
first
before
we're
giving
you
that
access
I
hope,
that's
a
unanimous
vote,
because
who
else
would
we
do
that?
For
so
that
point?
N
That
is
what
I'm
suggesting
we
should
just
vote
on
this,
although
I
hate
voting
out
on
it
at
5:30
on
Friday
night.
There
are
no
members
of
doubt
of
the
there's
one
member
councillor.
Holliday
has
a
few
little
spots
in
his
ward,
I
think
you
and
councillor
Campbell
and
councillor
Robinson
might.
But
this
is
a
really
thorny
issue:
you're
right
councillor,
Davis,
that's
what
we
get
in
our
wards.
People
shift
one
side
to
the
other
after
every
two
weeks
in
the
summer
they're
supposed
to
have
the
streets
cleaned.
N
N
When
we
first
got
this
report,
we've
had
to
say
those
things
but
I'm
glad
we
are
saying
those
things,
but
I
remained
me
I'm
concerned
about
it,
because
if
that's
how
we
started,
that
was
what
was
being
suggested
to
us.
Imagine
what
a
mess
we
would
have
on
our
hands
here
with
a
company
that
doesn't
think
they
have
to
pay
their
fines.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker,
and
thank
you
staff
for
bringing
this
forward
yet
again
to
take
council
and
for
spending
so
much
time.
Late
with
us.
I
move
the
deferral
last
time,
just
because
I
thought
that
there
were
still
questions
that
that
needed
to
be
answered
before
the
this
cake
was,
was
fully
baked
and
could
pass
counsel.
G
I'm
glad
that
we're
here
now
with
the
additional
information
in
front
of
us
I
am
I'm
I'm
a
car
share
member,
so
I
I'm
a
member
of
actually
two
there's
absolutely
zero
conflict
with
that
to
make
it
clear,
I'm
a
member
of
two
car
sharing
organization
companies,
because
one
suits
one
need
one
suits
another
I'm,
probably
and
I'm.
Gonna
say
this
very
carefully.
With
respect
to
my
colleague,
counter
perks,
I
think
I'm,
probably
the
only
household
in
Council
that
doesn't
own
a
car.
The
only
household
I
was
very
careful.
G
You
don't
have
a
license,
but
your
household
has
a
car
because
my
wife
and
I,
don't
we
don't
have
a
car,
and
so
we've
chosen
to
live
that
that
way,
we
do
live
in
a
downtown
neighborhood
as
fair
as
close
to
bike
lanes
as
close
to
it's
close
to
public
transit
we've.
We
have
that
luxury.
I
know
that
not
all
of
you
can
do
that.
G
G
However,
it
means
I
have
a
very,
very
good
understanding
of
how
this
system
works
and
the
the
downfalls
of
our
current
arrangement,
where
we
expect
every
car
to
have
a
home
and
always
be
be
used
out
of
that
home.
There
are
two
different
kinds
of
auto
share:
one
has
a
dock:
let's
say
that
you
always
have
to
get
back
to
to
end
your
trip
and
the
other.
This
free-floating
model
allows
you
to
drop
it
off
any
which
which
place
now.
That
means,
though,
if
I
need
to
use
a
car.
G
One
of
these
for
these
trips,
I'd
in
in
the
in
the
free-floating
ones,
I'd
have
to
go
out.
Go
find
a
lot
that
it's
in
several
blocks
away,
walking
or
I.
Normally
bike
to
them
get
get
the
car
take.
It
run
the
errand,
but
then
I'd
have
to
return
that
car
to
the
same
place.
Now
for
when,
when
I
use,
I
use
the
docking
method,
most
often
to
do
big
shopping
trips
trips
to
Ikea
trips.
G
I
have
been
in
this
position
before
it
is
often
much
easier
just
to
take
one
of
these
car
to
goes
run
it
over
drop
it
off
and
then
figure
out
how
to
park
it
on
the
other
end.
But
you
do
I,
because
I
don't
take
uber
Thank
You
councillor
for
Agadez
I
take
I
would
take
taxis
in
in
some
cases,
but
sometimes
it
makes
much
more
sense
just
to
do
it
to
do
it.
G
This
way
so
I
gotta
tell
ya,
it
actually
would
be
very
helpful
if
we
were
able
and
if
we
were
able
to
park
these
spots
on
streets
with
permits.
Now
I
also
have
experience,
because
my
entire
Ward
has
permit
parking,
there's
not
a
street
on
my
ward,
that's
not
a
Main
Street
that
doesn't
have
parking
I
understand
the
pressures,
trust
we
all
and
and
any
any
councillor
that
has
parking
permits
on
their
streets
understands
these
pressures.
G
But
this
is
the
it's
what
what
some
of
the
data
has
shown
and
what
I
know
from
my
own
personal
experience
is
this
type
of
service
allows
people
to
live
without
cars
and
I
will
give
councillor
perks?
This
point
I
will
concede
this.
One
point
that
it
is
is
really
not
by
definition.
Car
share,
so
I
will
go
with
micro,
car
rental
or
something
like
short-term
car
rental,
because
that's
essentially
what
it
is,
but
I
still
think
that
it
does
accomplish
some
of
the
things
that
are
laid
out
in
the
report.
I
G
Is
an
evidence
that
it's
reduces
household
transportation
costs
and
vehicles
travel
that
it
reduces
greenhouse
gas
emissions
through
that
and
families
that
that
use
cartago
instead
of
owning
a
car
have
increased,
have
higher
rates
of
walking
cycling
and
transit
use.
I
do
agree
with
that.
Unlike
my
colleague,
because
one
thing
we
talked
about
today,
all
this
concern
has
been
around
households
that
own
car
is
being
able
to
find
a
spot
on
their
street.
But
I
would
ask
you
what
about
those
households
that
don't
own
cars
but
live
on
that
Street?
G
C
Thank
you.
So
why
do
people
use
car
share?
It's
convenient,
flexible
cost.
They
don't
need
insurance
coverage
because
covered,
and
it
is
environmentally
conscious.
I
will
argue
with
more
conscience
when
you
are
car
sharing.
I'll
argue
with
my
colleague
over
there
comes
a
perks
and
lots
of
people
are
actually
in
Toronto
are
getting
rid
of
their
cars
and
Millennials
are
not
buying
their
cars.
So
it's
up
to
us
as
decision-makers
to.
C
C
I
You,
madam
Speaker
I'll,
be
very
brief.
Just
to
say,
the
benefits
of
car
sharing
and
they've
been
touched
on
is
reducing
vehicle
ownership
rates,
reducing
household
transportation
costs,
reducing
vehicle,
kilometers
traveled
and
then
our
good
old
greenhouse
gases
and
emissions,
reducing
and
increasing
other
modes
of
transportation,
walking,
cycling,
transit
use
and
we've
heard
from
our
general
manager
that
33%
of
households
in
Toronto,
currently
don't
own
a
vehicle.
So
I,
like
some
of
my
colleagues,
would
like
to
see
this
dealt
with
today.
I
It's
going
on
too
long
back
and
forth
up
and
down
to
committee
back
to
Council
bounce
bounce
bounce.
So
it's
time
we
made
a
decision.
I
hope
we
can
make
one
today.
I
will
just
tell
you
a
couple
quick
things.
If
we
go
with
the
12-month
pilot
versus
the
18-month
pilot
that's
been
recommended
by
staff,
you
will
end
up
with
only
nine
months
of
data
in
the
12
month.
With
the
12-month
version
that's
been
put
forward
in
a
motion.
I
So
that's
for
you
to
decide
if
you
feel
that
will
be
significant
enough,
usually
stuff
like
to
gather
12
months
of
data
which
they
can't
do
in
the
12
month
period
and,
as
we
all
know,
there's
an
election
in
the
middle
of
all
this
and
then
related
to
the
90
percent
versus
a
95
percent.
Stop
prefer
the
95
percent
just
simply
because
it
creates
more
access
and
equity
with
visitor
parking
permits,
etc.