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City Council, meeting 6, April 17, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
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A
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A
A
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6.5
that's
been
withdrawn,
mm
six
point,
six
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given.
This
motion
is
subject
to
refer
to
the
North
York
Community
Council,
two-thirds
boaters
with
part
two
a
referral.
This
motion
relates
to
a
Toronto
local
peel
body
hearing
and
has
been
deemed
urchin
off
Baber.
With
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carry.
A
6.7
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
moshus
subject
to
refer
to
the
Etobicoke
york
Kamiya
council,
the
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
relates
to
Toronto
local
appeal
body
hearing
and
has
been
deemed
urgent
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carry
mm
6.8
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
most
yes
subject
to
referral
to
the
north,
your
cami
council,
a
two-thirds
bonus
which
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
way
being
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carry.
D
A
B
A
No,
we
have
to
finish
before
6:00
so
count
your
holiday
wants
to
hold
it
down.
Yes,
there
are
a
lot
of
community
meetings
mm
6.11
notice.
If
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion
a
subject
to
refer
to
the
North
York
Community
Council,
a
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
a
referral.
This
motion
relates
to
Toronto
local
appeal
body.
Hearing
has
been
deemed
urchin
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
on
the
item
on
favor,
its
Carrie.
A
Mm
6.12
notice
if
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion
subject
to
referral
to
the
executive
committee,
a
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
on
the
item
on
favor
Carrie
mm
6.13
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given.
This
motion
is
subject
to
referral
to
the
planning
and
Housing
Committee.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
on
the
item
on
favor
pardon
recorded
vote.
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A
A
A
A
A
Okay,
hold
on
hold
on
I
kept.
You
made
a
mistake.
You
don't
want
to
hold
okay,
okay,
on
6
on
six
point
16
on
paper
carried
okay
mm,
6.17
notice.
If
this
motion
has
been
given
this
moshus
subject
to
referral
to
the
executive
committee,
a
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
camp.
A
Mm
6.18
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
a
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
notice.
This
most
just
subject
to
referral
to
the
infrastructure
and
environment
may
be.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
wavy
notice,
carried
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
recorded.
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A
A
A
A
623,
this
motion
has
been
deemed
urged
by
the
chair.
This
motion
is
not
subject
to
a
vote
to
a
referral.
This
motion,
fnatic
to
the
agenda,
is
before
council
for
debate
on
the
item
on
favor
Carrie
624.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair.
This
Mochis
not
subject
to
vote
to
waive
referral.
This
motions
been
added
to
the
agendas
before
council
for
debate
on
the
item
on
favor
recorded.
A
2Mm
625:
this
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair.
This
motions
not
subject
to
a
boat
to
a
referral.
This
motion
fnatic
to
the
agendas
before
council
for
debate
on
the
item,
all
favor
carry
mm
626.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair.
This
motion
is
not
subject
to
a
boat
to
a
referral.
This
motion
banana
to
the
agendas
before
council
for
debate
recorded
vote.
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A
A
A
C
I
D
D
A
E
D
To
put
this
on
the
floor,
this
is
a
very
large
tract
of
ward,
a
piece
of
property,
my
ward
over
20
acres,
councillor
Fletcher's
Lobby
this
council,
not
to
put
this
on
the
floor
and
it's
a
disgrace.
My
community
has
not
been
consulted
on
this
and
I
am
ticked
off,
and
so
is
my
community
when
this
comes
out,
I'm,
ticked
off
and
councillor
Fletcher
to
lobby
this
council
not
put
this
on
the
floor
is
a
disgrace.
A
K
All
right,
pardon
fines,
there's
votes
in
this
chamber
that
we
might
not
like
and
to
say
that
somehow
that's
disgraceful
that
somebody
doesn't
get
their
vote
and
stand
up
in
that
way.
That
doesn't
happen
very
often
it's
just
poor
decorum
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
speaker
and
taking
that
kind
of
personally
and
that's
it.
D
A
A
D
B
A
H
L
F
F
Through
the
bylaw
council,
codified
into
law,
a
set
of
values
for
lobbying
transparency,
the
lobbying
by
law
requires
lobbying
transparency
through
two
important
tools.
One
the
disclosure
of
activity
on
the
public
registry
and
the
other
is
adherence
to
a
lobbyist
code
of
conduct
I'm
going
to
quickly
go
through
some
data
that
is
available
in
our
annual
report
that
helps
the
public
understand
how
our
city
government
decisions
are
being
made
and
who
the
stakeholders
are.
F
That
may
have
interactions
with
public
office
holders
about
those
decisions,
and
my
ultimate
goal
is
to
share
with
you
the
success
that
we've
had
through
the
lobbying
by
law,
in
providing
transparency
and
accountability
to
the
public
and
ensuring
compliance.
Our
first
slide
just
highlights
that
over
council
term
2014
2018,
there
were
twenty
three
thousand
four
hundred
and
sixty
seven
lobbying
communications
reported
on
our
registry,
which
is
a
growth
from
the
previous
term
and
I
think
it
evidences
the
fact
that
this
model
has
gained
a
robust
part
of
the
governance
model.
Here
at
the
city.
F
The
next
slide
illustrates
how
lobbying
communications
are
being
reported
in
accordance
with
the
bylaws
requirements
and
with
the
intentions
behind
the
bylaw
to
ensure
that
public
is
provided
with
that
transparency.
You
can
see
that
they're
lobbying
communications
were
being
reported
with
members
of
counsel
staff,
members
of
counsel
and
employees
of
the
city,
and
therefore
the
public
is
in
fact
being
provided,
in
my
view,
with
such
a
robust
disclosure
with
the
transparency
that's
intended
by
the
bylaw.
This.
This
data
is
available
at
page
7
of
the
report.
F
F
A
lot
of
this
success
can
be
attributed
to
the
hard
work
of
my
staff,
both
in
the
registry
unit
and
in
the
Investigations
Unit
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we've
had
tremendous
success
with
some
breach
prevention
strategies
that
we
undertook
throughout
2017
and
throughout
our
history.
In
fact,
but
in
particular
in
2019
there
were
some
specific
things
that
were
undertaken
with
respect
to
outreach
and
education,
developing
new
education
tools
and
providing
advanced
opinions
and
consultations
and
piece
of
advice.
F
We
believe
that
this
is
critical
and
ensuring
that
understanding
how
lobbying
works
and
what
the
transparency
requirements
are
here
at
the
city
is
imperative
in
terms
of
helping
the
public
feel
that
they
can
be
engaged
with
their
public
office
holders.
They
can
participate
in
democracy
and
they
know
the
rules
in
which
they
have
to
follow
to
provide
the
public
with
transparency
about
those
communications.
F
The
new
education
shoots
tools
which
I've
shared
with
many
of
you
and
have
been
sharing
with
the
public
service
and
also
with
lobbyists,
are
outlined
in
our
annual
report,
but
also
available
on
our
website.
The
public
facing
site
has
flowcharts
and
interactive
tools
for
lobbyists
about
not
trying
to
do
a
self
evaluation
to
determine
whether
or
not
they
are
in
fact
required
to
register.
F
So,
let's
quickly
go
through
the
subject,
matters
regarding
planning
and
development
or
application.
Zoning
bylaw,
combined
application
application
site
plan
application,
official
plan
planning
policy,
study,
application,
minor
variants,
heritage,
application
plan
of
condominium
application
of
plan
of
subdivision
in
2018.
F
F
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
in
terms
of
reporting
out
on
the
success
of
the
model
over
its
history,
I'm
happy
to
say
that
there's
been
significant
growth
and
success
in
attaining
compliance
with
the
lobbying
bylaws
requirements,
and
much
of
that
success
has
been
attributed
to
the
stakeholder
participation
and
the
ongoing
efforts
that
we
have
through
outreach
and
education
and
breach
prevention
on
the
part
of
providing
affront
and
advice
and
consultations.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you.
I
was
interested
in
some
of
the
ways
that
the
date
is
broken
up
here.
I
see,
you've
got
a
number
of
lobbying
communications
by
Ward
and
elsewhere.
You've
got
number
of
lobbying
communications
by
subject
matter.
Is
all
this
available
in
some
kind
of
database,
or
is
it
just
you'd
have
to
go
through
all
the
lobbying
records
in
hand
tally
our.
F
F
L
F
It's
all
there.
It's
all
there
in
existence
for
open
data,
but
it
is
in
the
public
interest,
in
my
view,
for
our
office
to
put
it
out
so
that
whatever
is
available
is,
is
put
out
accurately
in
our
view,
because
there
there
is,
when
there
possibility
that
when
someone
access
is
open
data,
they
may
not
know
what
field
they're.
Looking
at,
for
example,
okay,.
D
M
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
you're
doing
and
what
asked
you
first
of
all
about.
There
have
been
concerns
raised
by
members
of
council
in
the
past
about
the
the
ambiguity
between
the
records
of
lobbyists
that
have
made
efforts
to
contact
the
councilor
and
then
successfully
having
engaged
in
dialogue
with
the
councilor.
So
in
other
words,
it
wasn't
clear
when
you
would
review
the
registrar,
the
registry.
F
You
Chancellor
for
your
question
through
you,
madam
chair,
that
feedback
was
given
to
us
over
the
course
of
us
engaging
with
you
in
the
redevelopment
of
our
lobbying
registry,
so
that
it
could
be
clearer.
The
way
the
bylaw
itself
works
is
that
an
individual
has
to
report
there
that
they're
about
to
register
prior
to
a
registration
and
I,
and
we
received
feedback
that
it
can
be
confusing
using
the
existing
disclosure
site
to
see
the
differentiation
between
a
meeting.
That's
planned
for
in
a
meeting.
That's
about
to
happen,
but.
K
F
M
M
M
And
just
it
clarifies
the
roles
and
responsibilities
I.
This
is
kind
of
for
everyone's
attention
as
well.
Let's
see
a
member
of
Council
is
walking
down
the
street
and
they
go
into
like
a
local
bakery
and
there
finds
bread
and
a
lobbyist
that
they
know
who
they're
all
so
friendly
with
comes
up
and
says:
hey
how
you
doing
Bob
and
there
were
hey.
M
How
are
you
and
you
chat-
you
catch
up
on
life
and
you
ask
how
your
kids
are
doing
everything
and
then
I
should
chatting
you
catching
up
on
how
the
Leafs
just
won
the
game,
the
other
night
and
everything's
great
and
the
weather
is
improving.
They
go
oh
by
the
way
you
know
by
the
way,
I'll
pick
up
your
bread
by
the
way
I'm.
M
You
know
that
development
matter
that's
coming
to
council
next
week,
I'd
love
to
chat
with
you
about
that,
and
you
know,
and
as
you're
chatting
about
life
and
everything
they
kind
of
bring
up.
You
know,
I'd
really
like
I've
got
a
client
and
all
of
a
sudden,
you
realize
wait
a
sec
I'm
being
lobbied
as
I'm
trying
to
buy
some
rye
and
I.
Didn't
expect
this
and
it
happened
though,
so
what
is
what
is
the
responsibility
of
the
lobbyist
and
what
is
the
responsibility
of
the
count's
there
in
that
case?
M
F
M
See,
please
call
the
office
is
their
responsibilities,
so,
for
example,
if
a
councillor
is
informally
lobbied-
and
you
know
all
of
a
sudden,
they
find
themselves
in
this
situation
where
it's
clearly
happening.
Is
there
any
like?
Is
there
any
responsibility,
or
is
it
just
encouragement
that
the
councillor
in
some
way
report
I.
F
Would
encourage
you
to
discuss
your
roles
and
responsibilities
with
the
integrity
commissioner,
but
I
can
say
that
it
would
be
incumbent
on
any
public
office
holder
who
was
placed
in
as
such,
where
they
feel
that
a
bylaw
is
being
breached,
that
they
would
reach
out
to
the
appropriate
authority
and
or
refer
the
individual.
That
is
a
attempting
to
mimic
your
communication
to
me.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
F
Happy
to
report,
as
I
did
in
the
annual
report,
that
our
breach
prevention
exercise
with
respect
to
understanding
obligations
with
respect
to
lobbying
activity
and
political
activity
were
very
successful
with
this
election.
Of
course,
we
don't
know
what
will
be
reported
us
to
us
in
the
future,
but
we
can
say
at
this
stage
of
coming
out
of
the
last
election.
We
don't
have
any
complaints
regarding
that
type
of
issue
and
it
was
an
issue
in
the
previous
election.
A
G
G
A
G
Yeah
so
I'm
not
supporting
the
amendment
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
do
this,
that
it
I
don't
know
why
we
you
distinguish
that
the
conservation
authority
to
apply
this
policy
as
opposed
to
any
other,
any
other
organizations
or
entities
and
I'm
chair
of
the
Civic
appointments
committee.
There
are
consequences
and
implications
to
doing
that.
G
A
B
B
Think
explicit
now
in
number
one,
just
explaining
that
this
is
something
I
moved
at
executive
committee
last
year,
staff
have
been
working
on
and
and
review,
and
this
is
just
simply
to
ask
that
we
get
a
update
on
that
or
the
final
report
by
the
third
quarter
of
2019.
As
many
of
you
know,
CoA
affects
deeply
all
of
our
wards
and
second
one
is
again
to
try
to
look
at
the
feasibility
of
making
these
this.
This
appeal
body,
more
accessible,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
feasible
or
not.
B
It
was
a
suggestion
that
came
up
a
committee.
I,
don't
know
if
staff
will
be
overly
keen
about
pursuing
this,
but
it's
something
I
think
we
should
have
a
discussion
around
if
we
start
later
and
into
the
evening
I
in
no
way
am
I
attempting
to
backlog
anything.
It's
just
trying
to
make
the
evenings
part
and
parcel
of
the
process,
so
the
residents
can
attend
and
the
last
one
is
a
simple
one:
it's
more
of
a
really
a
technical
one
to
make
sure
we're
publishing
guidelines,
rules
and
procedures,
documents
on
the
website.
B
B
People
can
actually
download
the
public
guide
and
I'd
like
to
be
in
that
same
forum,
where
residents
have
ample
information
on
the
rules
and
procedures
related
to
this
body
that
for
a
lot
of
residents,
it's
very
confusing
to
do
really
figure
out
how
to
navigate
so
I.
Think
you'll
be
happier
with
this
version,
because
number
one's
been
altered
to
be
a
little
bit
clearer
than
the
first
than
the
one
earlier
before
lunch.
Okay,.
I
A
N
N
As
you
well
know,
madam
Speaker,
when
you
were
the
mayor
of
York
the
trouble
we
had
with
the
bars
and
booze
cans
and
the
amount
of
staff
resources,
property,
standard
resources,
police
resources
that
used
to
we
used
to
spend
on
trying
to
close
down
these
outliers
that
were
essentially
a
source
of
neighborhood
concerns
and
dangerous,
gunplay
drinking
problems,
etc.
So,
right
now,
I
think
there
seems
to
be
a
pretty
alarming
increase
in
shootings.
N
This
came
about
because
I
had
been
working
with
MLS
Toronto
police,
a
13
division
with
local
citizens,
we're
trying
to
deal
with
two
or
three
problem
bars
that
were
associated
with
about
three
or
four
shootings
that
had
occurred
in
one
area
of
my
writing,
my
board.
So,
as
we
were
cracking
down
that
with
MLS
and
alcohol,
Gaming
Commission
was
helpful
too.
As
we're
doing
this
sort
of
attempt
to
control
these
bars
on
one
side
of
the
street,
all
of
a
sudden
on
a
I
think
it
was
a
Saturday
night
or
Sunday
night.
N
N
You
know:
MLS
service
people,
we're
endangering
neighbors
neighbors
are
calling
me
and
saying
I'm
afraid
to
even
call
you
or
call
the
police,
because
I'm
right
next
door
to
this
place
and
something's
got
to
be
done
and,
as
you
know,
madam
Speaker,
the
real
challenges.
People
think
that
the
Toronto
Police
can
close
these
places
down.
Well,
they
can't
and
they
keep
going
back
over
and
over
again
and
they're,
endangering
themselves.
N
They
have
to
go
undercover
and
if
you
ask
the
local
police,
they
know
these
outliers
they're
there,
the
small
minority
of
bars
but
they're,
the
outliers
that
look
the
other
way
or
whatever
they
do
so.
Right
now,
the
alcohol
gaining
commission
I
think
is
trying
to
do
what
they
can,
but
I
would
hope
they
would
have
more
attention
that
they
could
place
on
these
outlier
bars
and
perhaps,
as
you
know,
they
do
their
due
diligence.
They
investigate
they.
They
get
people
hearings,
they
do
everything
under
the
Sun,
but
can
we
tell
them?
N
Please
pay
more
attention
to
these
licensed
premises
that
may
be,
according
to
local
police,
the
venues
where
this
kind
of
gun
activity
takes
place
not
once
but
twice,
but
maybe
four
or
five
times,
and
maybe
suspend
or
revoke
their
license,
for
god
forbid
for
a
week
a
day.
You
can't
do
it
right
now,
it's
impossible
and
I
know.
You've
probably
had
the
same
issues
in
some
of
your
neighborhoods
they're.
Just
energy
vamp
tires
these
bars
and
they're
dangerous
places
and
we've
have
to
at
least
get
some
more
teeth
in
what
the
AGCO
does
to
support.
N
What
you
know
our
local
services
are
doing
what
the
community
is
doing
and
what
the
police
is
right.
Now
the
police
just
spend
so
many
of
the
resources
going
back
and
forth
back
and
forth,
but
now
we're
not
just
talking
about
drinking
violations.
We're
talking
about.
In
my
discussions
with
the
local
police
of
13
Division,
the
gunplay
is
coming
from
certain
addresses,
and
so
and
so
the
police
come
to
me
say:
can
you
help
us
and
I
say
I,
don't
know
what
I
can
do
is
the
City
Councilor,
because
we
don't
have
any
powers
here.
N
So
by
setting
this
measures
the
alcohol
Gaming
Commission,
maybe
they
can
help
in
controlling
some
of
these
outliers,
which
are
really
again
endangering
communities
at
the
same
time
as
we
try
to
improve
Main
streets
and
do
a
bi
A's
and
we
have
festivals,
we
get
programs
in
to
help
marginalize
people
all
these
programs
and
all
of
a
sudden
one
of
these
multiple
shootings
occurs.
Everybody
says:
oh
nothing's
working
things
are
deteriorating,
so
you
did.
Everybody
gets
demoralized.
After
all
the
work
you
do
trying
to
build
up
a
community
and
strengthen
us
the
local
program.
N
So
this
is
something
that
I
think
is
something
that
deserves
some
attention.
Given
the
nonstop
availability
of
firearms,
I,
just
don't
know,
what's
happening,
no
matter
how
many
arrests
they
make
and
raids
of
they
they
show.
You
know
the
police
show
all
these
guns
on
the
table.
The
guns
are
too
common
and
in
my
years
being
involved
with
this
I
can
sense.
It
I
really
worry.
What's
gonna
happen
this
summer,
given
the
availability
of
guns
that
seems
to
be
really
exploding
again,
Thank.
C
You,
madam
Speaker
I'll,
be
brief,
but
I
listened
accounts
are
coal
and
I
just
want
to
read
out
the
motion
unless
it's
been
revised,
unless
I've
missed
that
City
Council
requests
the
provincial
government
to
direct
its
alcohol
and
Gaming
Commission
of
Ontario
to
revoke
liquor
licences
at
any
licensed
establishment
that
has
been
the
scene
of
gun,
violence
or
patrons
have
been
in
the
possession
of
handguns
or
where
the
police
have
found
handguns
on
the
premises
of
the
licensed
establishment.
So
I,
you
know,
I
appreciate
the
sentiments
of
councillor
Cole
I.
C
Think
a
lot
of
us
are
frustrated
with
what's
happening
with
gun
violence
in
the
city,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
I
can
support
this
motion.
The
way
that
it's
written,
it
is
quite
focused
on
what
it
says.
So,
if
there's
a
shooting
at
a
licensed
establishment,
this
says
to
take
away
that
restaurants,
prosperity.
My
concern
is,
is
that
you
know
you
have
a
crime
that
occurs
at
a
place
and
that
place
then
has
to
close
down
the
other
thing
it
does.
Is
it
sends
a
signal
to
businesses
in
the
city
and
I
appreciate?
C
Maybe
there
is
a
signal
that
Senate
needs
to
be
sent
to
some
of
the
places
that
are
a
problem,
but
it
sends
a
signal
to
all
of
the
places
that
now
the
business
owner
have
to
start
worrying
about
in
additionally
their
patrons
because
their
patrons
might
cause
them
to
lose
their
liquor
license
because
they've
got
something
in
their
pocket.
I
think
that's
a
lot
to
ask
of
businesses
I'm
concerned
about
the
practicality
of
that
and
I'm
concerned
that
you
know.
D
L
Speaker
I'm,
going
to
encourage
members
to
support
councilor
Cole's
motion,
aye
I,
hear
what
councilor
holiday
is
saying.
It
is
conceivable
that
someone
is
running
a
business
entirely
innocently
and
through
no
fault
of
their
own.
Someone
comes
in
and
discharges
a
firearm.
Fine,
but
I
will
tell
you.
This
I
have
experienced
a
location
in
my
ward,
where
it
happened
not
once
not
twice
but
three
times
over
the
course
of
the
earth,
and
we
were
unable
to
get
much
of
anything
done
through
the
alcohol
and
Gaming
Commission.
Specifically.
L
What
councillor
Cole
has
asked
for
is
that
we
alert
the
province
that
this
is
a
concern
we
have
and
we
want
them
to
take
action
now.
I
leave
it
to
them
to
do
the
fine-tuning
they
can
sort
out
in
what
circumstances
it's
worth
pursuing
further
action
and
which
ones
it's
not.
But
I
will
tell
you
right
now
as
someone
who,
together
with
councilor
Nunziata
and
councillor
Layton,
spent
most
of
a
decade
trying
to
get
the
AGC
Oda,
but
any
form
of
reasonable
condition
on
anyone
with
a
liquor
license.
L
It
is
incumbent
on
this
council
to
remind
them
again
and
again
and
again
that
they
they
are
treating
the
the
right
to
sell
alcohol
as
a
as
a
get
out
of
jail
free
card.
You
can
ignore,
you
can
ignore
the
neighbourhood.
You
can
ignore
the
people
living
upstairs.
You
can
ignore
the
well-being
of
your
patrons.
Once
you
want
to
sell
alcohol,
the
province
will
do
nothing
to
constrain
you
in
any
way
and
I
think
it's
important.
We
let
them
know
as
a
council
that
it's
unacceptable
the
way
that
they
have
been
regulating
these
licences.
L
A
K
Yes,
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
say
I'm
supporting
councillor
Cole
I
appreciate
what
councillor
perks
had
to
say
and
just
believe
me.
This
is
not
a
blanket
motion
for
all
small
business.
There
are
a
small
number
of
businesses
that
become
difficult
businesses.
If
you
were
to
say
how
many
of
these
locations
do
you
have,
you
may
have
one
or
two,
but
it
is
chronic,
it's
chronic
as
a
difficult
location,
and
so
if
we
pass
this
today,
I
actually
believe
that
the
next
time
there's
gunplay
gunfire
violence
of
that
type.
K
At
that
location,
which
I
happen
to
know
in
my
ward,
where
the
difficult
ones
are
so
do
the
police
by
the
way
they
know
where
they
are
then
I,
think
councillor
Cole
could
feel
free
to
bring
a
motion
here
saying,
take
the
license
under
what
we
have
done.
So
this
is
just
one
more
piece
of
adding
pressure
once
these
events
take
place
at
bars
and
I've
had
a
few
on
the
dad
fourth,
the
residents
surrounding
there.
K
They
can't
believe
that
businesses
and
bars
can
simply
run
without
any
conformity
to
kind
of
good
business
practice
and
good
behavior,
and
that
there's
zero
recourse
for
the
city,
so
I
want
to
be
clear
and
I
understand
councillor
holiday,
you're
concerned.
It
looks
like
we're
taking
a
brush
and
saying
we're
going
to
wipe
out
a
lot
of
small
businesses,
those
businesses
that
persist
and
have
these
folks
that
do
these
things
regularly
at
these
businesses
definitely
need
to
be
called
into
account
and
I.
Think
this
motion
does
that.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
encouraging
members
of
council
to
support
this
motion.
Remember
the
council,
where
we've
had
issues
in
our
ward
and
I
know:
councillor
Cole,
you
share
the
same
issues
that
I
have
in
my
ward,
where
you
have
some
of
these
establishments
that
that
content.
You
two
have
problems
where
they're
they're
open
all
night,
it
turns
into
a
booze,
can
or
turns
into
an
after-hours
Club
and
they
party
on
the
streets
and
the
next
thing
you
know,
there's
guns
and
there's
gun
violence
and
the
people
that
living
in
the
area.
A
They
constantly
complain
and
we
put
the
complaints
to
the
AGCO
and
and
it's
very
difficult,
I
have
never
ever
experienced
a
liquor
license
ever
revoked
where
there
is
gun
violence
or
where
there's
crime
in
any
of
these
bars.
What
they
do
is
they
suspend
their
license
for
two
or
three
weeks
and
that's
it
and
then
they
reopen
and
we
have
and
councillor
Layton
and
councillor
perks
and
I.
We
we
had
that
Committee
on
putting
conditions
on
some
of
these
liquor
licenses.
A
Whenever
our
license
comes
forward,
where
there
is
an
existing
problem,
we
have
always
asked
the
AG
Co
not
to
not
to
issue
the
license
or
to
put
conditions
on
it
and
it's
very
difficult
to
put
conditions
on
it.
So
it's
an
issue,
that's
in
my
ward
and
they're,
just
certain
restaurants
and
bars
where
we
have
these
problems.
Just
not
much.
You
know
family
restaurants
or
you
know
it's
it's
some
of
these
bars
that
are
open
and
they
cause
problems
for
the
whole
community
and
it
brings
down
the
community
too.
A
A
We
we
did
a
petition
to
the
AGCO
I
made
a
deputy
I
made
a
deputation
and
there
was
a
homicide
in
this
bar,
and
the
body
was
in
this
restaurant
in
this
bar
for
three
days
before
anybody
was
even
was
able
to
to
get
in
and
I
begged
the
AGCO
to
revoke
their
liquor
license,
and
they
said
absolutely
not.
They
didn't
the
only
reason
they
closed
is
because
they
ran
out,
they
just
closed
up
on
their
own.
A
They
ran
business,
but
that
is
a
case
where
their
liquor
license
should
have
been
revoked
immediately
right
in
the
bar.
There
was
a
homicide
of
shooting,
so
you
know
we
can't
continue
having
these
these
bars
in
these
that
are
operating
this
way
and
they
and
and
they
know
who
they
are
when
they
come
into
the
bars
they
know.
A
If
they're
dealing
in
drugs,
they
know
they
know
them
all,
because
that's
how
they
make
their
business,
and
so,
if
we
don't
try
to
tighten
up
and
work
and
lobby
the
AGCO
to
put
conditions
into
where
there's
issues
and
there's
ongoing
violence
that
we
should
be
able
to
have
their
liquor
license
revoked
no
questions
asked.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
When,
when
Kessler
Holliday
got
up
to
speak,
I
I
really
did
you
know
read
the
counselor
calls
motion
over.
You
know
once
and
twice
and
three
times,
and
you
know
I
I,
while
I
empathize,
with
where
counselor
Holliday
I
think,
was
going
with
his
comments
and
they
were
thoughtful.
What
he's
saying
is
you
know,
he's
concerned
that
there's
sort
of
a
blanket
statement
that
could
catch
anybody
and
you
know
how
can
you,
if
you're
a
small
business
owner?
M
How
can
you
be
responsible
for
someone
unknowingly,
you
know
showing
up
with
it
where
they
got
like
I
get
his
point.
Why
I
strongly
support
caracoles
motion
is
because,
as
counselor
Perks
said
and
counselor
friends,
Nancy
oughtta
said
you
know,
they're
gonna
decide.
Ultimately
this
is
a
request.
This
is
you
know,
they're
gonna,
decide
and
they're
gonna
nuance
it
as
far
as
how
they
want
to
address
our
concerns.
M
What
counselor
coal
is
doing
is
reflecting
the
concerns
that
those
of
us
who
have
these
neighborhood
so-called
neighborhood
bars
in
the
community
are
asking
for
they're
asking
for
some
sort
of
action
and
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
a
city,
councilors
and
we've
dealt
with
the
during
the
transit
debate
and
the
housing
debate,
and
so
many
other
matters
is
that
for
many
issues
we
don't
have
the
ultimate
say
we
don't
have
the
control
councillor.
Kohler
leaders
said
you
know:
people
expect
that
the
police
can
just
shut
them
down.
Please
can't
just
shut
them
down.
M
People
write
to
us
as
counselors
and
say:
can
you
shut
them
down?
We
can't
just
shut
them
down.
We
don't
have
those
tools.
What
counselor
Cole
is
doing
is
reflecting
a
real
call
in
the
community
for
some
sort
of
action
and
he's
doing
what
he
can
do
as
a
local
representative
to
request
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
to
to
address
a
very
significant
concern.
M
So
we're
not
talking
about
any
random
small
business.
This
isn't
what
this
is
about.
The
people
in
the
community
know
which
business
we're
talking
about,
but
we
don't
have
the
proper
tools
to
be
able
to
deal
with
the
situation.
Caster
Cole
doesn't
have
all
the
answers.
I,
don't
have
all
the
answers.
The
police
don't
have
all
the
answers.
What
counselor
Cole
is
asking
for
is
just
one
other
significant
tool
in
the
toolbox.
That
might
actually
have
some
consequence.
Some
way
to
actually
say
there
is
some
consequence
for
allowing
this
to
happen
in
your
establishment.
M
So,
that's
why
you
know
I,
don't
know
if,
where
this
is
going
to
go
but
I
do
respect
the
fact
the
councillor
Cole
is
doing
everything
within
the
limited
powers.
He
has
his
accounts
there
to
be
able
to
ask
for
the
answer
to
this
ongoing
question
that
has
not
been
resolved
for
many
many
many
many
years.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
J
You,
madam
Speaker
Speaker
I
number
one
I
I,
don't
share
in
the
same
problem
that
other
places
might
have.
Yes,
there's
been
problems
up
in
my
part
of
the
world,
but
not
to
that
extent.
However,
let's
go
down
that
path.
There's
a
bar
down
the
street
and
there's
been
a
shooting
and
the
police
arrived
and
the
people
around
the
neighborhood
get
upset
and
they
call
the
police.
The
police
says.
Well,
you
know
wiki,
there's
not
much.
J
We
can
do
well,
the
individual
that
is
calling
the
police
thinks
that
the
police
are
under
the
control
of
the
city,
so
they
pick
up
the
phone.
They
call
the
local
councillor.
Now,
if
you're
in
the
local
councillor,
try
to
tell
me
if
you
can
explain
to
that
individual.
This
is
under
a
Geo
or
a
CG
or
whatever
we
call
it,
and
this
is
a
provincial
that
person
will
say,
but
you
are
the
local
councillor,
the
police
report,
to
you
so
we're
caught
in
a
quietly
quagmire.
We
don't
know
what
to
tell
the
individual.
J
Whatever
we
tell
the
individual,
he
doesn't,
or
she
doesn't
believe
us,
and
then
we
have
the
body,
the
provincial
body,
that
is
not
elected,
not
accountable,
and
they
make
the
decision
on
our
behalf.
What
happens
in
our
streets?
There
is
certainly
something
which
is
a
disconnect
there.
There's
a
disconnect
between
who's,
responsible,
there's,
a
disconnect
who
can
do
something
and
what
the
people
believe
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
people
will
blame
the
local
councillor
for
not
taking
action
and
we're
caught
behind
the
eight-ball.
J
So
I
want
to
commend
what
councillor
Cole
is
doing
of
going
one
further
I'd
really
go
one
further.
I
would
say
that
we
asked
the
city
manager
to
in
your
in
your
motion,
sir,
that
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
in
there
that
he
writes
to
the
parental
body
and
says
defectively.
We
would
like
to
not
only
make
recommendations,
but
we
like
to
have
a
say:
we
have
a
say
if
somebody,
if
the
the
health
department
goes
in
and
the
the
kitchen
is
it's
not
up
to
par
when
we
close
the
place
down.
J
However,
we
don't
have
a
say
if
the
liquor
license
is
in
question,
now
get
a
load
of
this
if
you're
a
bar
owner
and
you
serve
a
little
bit
more
and
the
person
goes
out
and
drives
away
you're
held
responsible.
Well,
if
you
have
the
bar
owner
the
same
bar
and
you
invite
this
characters
and
those
characters
or
shady
characters
or
abiding
individuals,
they
come
you
shoot
each
other,
you
can
be
held
responsible.
Well,
you
cannot
have
your
cake
and
eat
it
too.
J
If
we're
going
to
hold
you
responsible
for
the
kitchen,
because
your
kitchen
is
not
productive
and
it's
not,
it
doesn't
provide
good
food.
Then
we
should
also
hold
your
responsible
if
you're,
inviting
these
shady
characters
to
come
to
your
bar
and,
if
you're,
allowing
them
to
be
there
and
then
go
outside
to
shoot
each
other.
Unfortunately,
we've
got
behind
the
eight-ball,
so
councillor,
Cole
I'll,
be
supporting
your
motion
and
I
urge
everybody
here
to
support
that
motion.
J
G
Thank
thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
not
going
to
be
as
flamboyant
and
some
of
the
other
speakers,
but
I
I
was
listening
to
councilor
holidays
remarks
and
what
struck
me
the
drafter
of
this
motion,
the
drafting
of
it,
creates
a
level
of
rigidity,
and
you
know
I
the
war
that
I
live
in
Don
Mills
we're
not.
We
don't
have
the
same
problems
that
that
counselor
calls
Orden.
We
have
a
counselor,
Nunziata
is
and
I
and
I
accept
that
and
I'm
grateful
that
it's
a
lot
quieter
in
my
ward,
but
I
would
say
this.
G
This
is
the
thing
that
I
worry
about
the
way
this
motion
is
drafted.
It
says
any
licensed
establishment
that
has
been
the
scene
of
gun
violence,
so
some
poor
guy
who
has
a
restaurant
who's
invested.
You
know,
let's
say
his
life
savings
and
he's
got
it
all
on
the
line.
He's
got
a
big
mortgage
and
he
has
some
guys
a
couple
of
guys
come
in
and
they
have
guns
it's
no
fault
of
his
own.
The
way
this
reads
is:
if
something
bad
happens,
they
revoke
his
license,
I'm,
not
sure
I'm.
G
Ok
with
that,
there
has
to
be
something
a
little
bit
more
thought-out,
a
little
bit
more
well
developed
before
we.
You
know
these
are
serious
words
with
serious
consequences
to
families,
to
businesses,
to
people
and
instead
of
you
know
getting
up
and
making
some.
You
know
dramatic
speech
about.
You
know
how
how
all
these
arrests,
all
these
places,
there's
booze
cans,
etc.
G
A
A
I
Simply
to
avoid
a
long
discussion,
the
the
the
biggest
issue
here
is
that
it
requests
a
report
back
to
Council.
This
is
clearly
a
big
discussion
to
be
had
in
works
committee.
Would
the
mover
see
it
as
a
friendly
amendment
to
simply
amend
this,
that
that
the
report
go
to
works
where
a
conversation
could
take
place?
No.
I
A
G
Sure
the
problem,
one
of
the
biggest
problems
I,
have
with
this
motion.
You
know
I,
don't
say
this
very
often,
but
councilor
I
share
councillor
Carol's
concerns
to
the
extent
that
this
is
a
big.
This
is
a
big
issue
of
public
concern:
the
idea
of
plastic
bags,
whether
they're,
good
or
bad,
whether
and
what
we
should
be
doing
about
this
I
read
this
and
I
said
report.
I
saw
a
report
to
Council
and
I.
Do
not
understand.
G
First
of
all,
I
think
it
should
go
to
committee.
It's
a
it's
a
it's
a
big
deal.
There
should
be
public
deputations
I'm
on
that,
notwithstanding
the
fact
that
I've
I've
done
this
on
a
number
of
occasions
and
spent
hours
and
hours
listening
to
deputies,
it
doesn't
take
away
from
the
fact
that
this
needs
some
public
discourse
and
discussion.
And
so
so
the
report
back
to
council,
I
think
is,
is
the
wrong
approach
and
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
deal
with
this
to
the
extent.
L
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
wanted
actually
to
propose
a
friendly
amendment
to
the
mover
to
say,
City
of
Toronto
facilities
and
City
events,
and
why
I
identify
this
and
why
I
think
it's
urgent
is
I,
did
have
my
Environment
Day
a
couple
weeks
back
and
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
yet
you're
going
to
be
surprised
to
see
the
compost
is
all
packaged
in
plastic.
So
if
you
think
about
25
councillors,
24
of
us
having
environment
days
times,
2
that
is
unsettling
to
me
and
I
think
that
that
that
practice
needs
to
be
stopped
immediately.
B
People
loved
coming
with
their
buckets
and
their
baskets
and
their
shovels,
and
we
had
volunteers
in
our
in
our
neighborhoods
who
came
forward
and
anybody
who
was
elderly
or
had
mobility
issues
that
needed
help.
There
was
people
there
to
help
them
shovel
into
their
baskets
or
buckets,
and
so,
when
you
see
the
sheer
volume
of
plastic
being
used
at
one
of
our
own
events,
which
is
an
environmental
event
event,
it's
it's
we're
talking
out
of
both
sides
of
our
mouths.
I
will
also
share
with
you
something
I
discovered
last
year.
B
Is
the
slow
down
signs
that
we
all
give
out
to
our
residents?
If
you
take
the
time
to
look
at
the
interior
of
that
plastic,
it's
black,
which,
as
the
chair
of
pubic
last
term
I
learned,
is
the
worst
of
all
plastics,
and
here
we
are,
as
a
city
spreading
our
signs
all
over
neighborhoods
throughout
Toronto
using
black
plastic.
So
those
are
two
examples.
I
would
say
to
the
mover.
Thank
you
for
moving
this,
but
I
think
we
have
to
think
about
our
campaigns.
B
B
A
N
Briefly,
yeah
no
I
just
think
it's
a
an
important
opportunity
to
educate
ourselves,
educate
the
public
about
what's
happening
with
single-use
plastic
and
I.
What
I
wanted
to
do
is
make
sure
that
before
we
ask
the
citizens
of
Toronto
busines
try
to
eliminate
single-use
plastics,
we've
got
a
clean
up
her
own
house
and
I.
Think
councillor
Robinson
gave
two
perfect
examples
of
what
we're
doing
here.
That
should
be
corrected
and
I'm
sure
there's
other
things
that
we
can
do
to
ensure
that
we
are
intelligently
looking
at
the
use
of
plastic
and
I
I.
N
Think
the
estimates
are
that
we
produced
about
a
billion
plastic
bags
in
the
city
every
year.
That's
just
baits
been
1
billion,
one
thousand
million
plastic
bag
items
every
year.
That's
just
banks,
never
mind
all
the
other
plastic,
so
anyways
I
just
wanted
to
try
and
get
this
to
be
folded
into
the
review.
That's
coming
back
later
on
this
year
on
the
single-use
plastic
and
I
thought.
N
Well,
we
should
start
doing
a
start
looking
at
our
practices
within
our
facilities,
our
departments
and
what
we
do
as
counselors
as
we
really
try
to
really
respond
to
a
growing
a
sentiment
out
there.
People
are
really
ahead
of
us
on
trying
to
get
a
rid
of
single-use
plastic.
They
want
something
done,
and
so,
let's
be
smart
about
it.
Let's
look
at
all.
This
motion
also
caused
a
look
at
alternatives
that,
rather
than
the
single-use
plastic,
and
looks
the
best
strategies,
in
other
words,
working
in
tribes
to
find
solutions.
N
I
Well,
madam
Speaker
God
loves
the
mover
of
this
motion
for
moving
it.
We
always
want
to
do
our
best
here.
I'm,
not
gonna,
move
an
amendment,
but
I'm
also
not
going
to
wait
until
we're
at
the
committee.
I
hope
that
it's
simply
an
undertaking
of
staff,
I
hope
Stafford
listening
as
I
hope
this
becomes
an
undertaking.
They
would
have
to
hear
me
in
order
to
take
on
this
undertaking,
so
I
hope
the
deputy
city
manager
does
hear
what
I
am
saying.
I
I
hope
as
an
undertaking
that
such
report
will
include
the
history
of
this,
the
history
of
what
we
hope
to
do
in
what
we
have
hoped
to
do,
with
plastic,
water
bottles,
etc
and
city
facilities
and
city
events,
and
our
history
of
actually
following
through
and
not,
but
I
also
hope
that
the
the
report
that
returns
to
us
will
tell
us
what
is
going
on
in
other
jurisdictions
and
how
they
succeeded
in
this.
What
I
heard
the
movers
say
in
his
own
remarks
and
I?
Don't
know
whether
or
not
staff
heard
this
was
his.
I
His
intention
was
that
this
beat
rolled
in
with
the
overall
review
of
what
we
are
doing
around
plastics
and
where
it
fits
into
our
waste
stream.
I
heard
that
in
his
remarks,
I
don't
find
it
as
precisely
in
the
written
motion.
So
if
for
staff,
it
is
easier
to
fold
this
into
her
port.
That
is
on
his
way
to
us
anyway.
I
now
hear
that
that
was
the
intention.
Well,
it
may
not
be
precise
in
the
written
motion.
C
Thanks
Madame,
speaker
I'll,
be
brief:
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
because
just
like
the
last
motion,
there
is
a
kernel
of
some
helpful
things
in
here.
I
think
this
is
worth
talking
about
at
committee,
but
again,
there's
precise
language
in
this.
That
requires
that
the
report
that
come
back
to
Council
through
the
committee
I
would
have
not
suggested
it
be
struck
and
set
up
that
way.
I
think
this
is
this
could
be
part
of
a
broader
strategy,
but
you
know
again
looking
at
it
exactly
as
it
says,
reduce
or
eliminate
single-use
plastic.
C
So
does
that
mean
I've
got
to
give
up
my
Bic
pens
so
that
I
can
only
use
a
pencil
now
do
I
can
I
only
have
cloth
bandages
in
the
office
instead
of
disposable
plastic
ones?
You
know
I,
don't
know.
Does
that
mean
we're
not
going
to
use
black
plastic
garbage
bags
in
any
of
our
facilities?
Surely
that
can't
be
the
intent?
You
know,
there's
there's
probably
some
things
that
we
can
do
as
a
city
and
with
our
facilities.
C
For
that
reason,
I
just
can't
support
the
motion
as
written,
even
though
there
has
been
some
laudable
ideas
on
here
on
the
council
floor
and
and
turns
about
some
of
our
practices
and
I
really
encourage
counselors
to
speak
up
to
committee
and
bring
those
ideas
forward
so
that
they
can
be
integrated
into
the
right
plans.
Thanks.
A
H
C
N
D
E
I
N
N
L
A
N
G
G
G
G
So
so
now
that
we've
established
the
fact
that
anyone,
any
member
of
the
public,
can
easily
look
and
get
any
record
that
they
want,
could
you
tell
me,
is
there?
Is
there
public
interest
behind?
First
of
all
would
have
a
Hansard
service
with
that?
Would
that
be
an
expensive
arrangement,
and
is
that
in
your
existing
budget
to
provide
that
service?
Yes,.
E
G
See
and
could
do
you
see
not
was
given
the
fact
that
anybody
can
look
at
any
meeting
any
time
that
they
want
by
going
on
YouTube.
Do
you
want?
Is
there
a
public
service
that
you
can
identify
be
in
having
a
Hansard
service
or
answers
like
service,
where
we
have
people
translating
word-for-word
in
a
printed
form?
The
disk
of
the
discussions
that
we're
having
in
this
council
meeting
or
through
committees
I
would.
E
D
I
P
D
E
I
J
E
J
E
J
E
J
E
J
C
Councillor
holiday,
thank
you.
Madam
Deputy
Speaker,
through
to
the
clerk's
answered,
requires
the
recording
of
dialogue
and
in
particular
it
could
be
between
two
people.
Would
you
foresee
that
perhaps
procedural
changes,
or
at
least
conventions
would
need
to
change
in
how
we
work
as
a
council
in
order
for
somebody
to
keep
up
with
transcribing
or
dialogue,
and
in
particular,
when
two
councillors
are
going
at
it?.
E
C
You
know
in
the
in
the
context
that
we
record
all
of
our
decisions.
We
record
all
of
our
motions
in
text.
They
form
the
body
of
what
is
placed
online.
What's
the
value
of
the
dialogue
that
occurs
on
the
floor
in
the
decision-making
process?
Is
that
you
know
in
for
exam
if
I
can
articulate
better?
We
just
had
a
discussion
with
with
motion
by
councillor
Cole,
where,
in
my
opinion,
you
know
what
was
written
on
the
page
was
slightly
different
than
the
dialogue
that
we
had
in
the
room
you
know.
Is
there?
E
I
indicated
earlier,
madam
Deputy
Speaker
different
users
of
of
such
a
transcript
could
have
potentially
different
needs,
but
I
would
point
out
that
it
all
of
this
would
not
replace
our
minutes,
and
the
City
of
Toronto
Act
specifically
requires
that
our
minutes
be
produced
without
note
or
comment.
So.
C
Other
than
an
academic,
a
researcher,
a
curious
citizen,
other
the
material,
that's
provided
in
our
minutes
and
what
is
put
online
in
text
format
today,
does
that
serve
as
adequate
information
as
an
output
from
this
chamber
for
staff
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
for
clerks
to
send
letters
to
the
appropriate
other
bodies
and
governments
and
things
in
all
of
the
actions
that
we
expect
out
of
our
motions.
Our.
C
H
You
thank
you.
We
go
through
you
to
the
clerk's.
It's
we
often
compare
what's
before
us
to
what's
going
on
in
the
House
of
Commons.
Now
it's
it's
my
understanding
that
when
members
of
the
House
of
Commons
speak,
they
are
protected
from
any
kind
of
civil
legal
action
within
within
the
chain
within
the
house,
and
here
we
don't
have
that
luxury.
H
With
new
new
technologies
voice,
interactive
technologies,
I
mean
they're
getting
better
all
the
time.
A
number
of
years
ago
they
were
quite
crude,
could
Hanser
be
created
with,
with
the
most
modern
voice,
interactive
technologies
instead
of
no
offense
but
human
resources.
We
use,
we
use
technology.
E
E
H
H
H
G
I
C
O
To
go
first,
yes,
okay,
thanks
very
much
I
thought
this
would
be
a
brief
one,
but
we're
gonna
have
a
good
discussion
about
it
and
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
Madam
Deputy.
Speaker
I
brought
this
forward
because
I
think
it's
important
for
us
as
a
chamber
here
to
constantly
be
re-evaluating
how
we
can
make
our
government
more
accessible,
easier
for
citizens
to
connect
with
their
elected
officials,
understand
the
dialogue
that
goes
on
in
these
chambers.
Well,
I
appreciate
councillor,
Minh
and
Wong's.
O
Point
about
the
YouTube
service
did
a
little
bit
of
digging
into
that,
and
what
I
found
was
for
all
the
years
that
that's
been
online.
We
have
barely
65,000
views
of
that
YouTube
channel
totality
in
a
city
of
three
million
people,
so
I
don't
know
if
the
counselor
has
gone
back
and
tried
to
find
particular
items
on
the
YouTube
channel.
I
know
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
you
and,
and
that
can
be
challenging,
especially
if
you're
going
a
few
years
back
to
understand
the
context
of
a
discussion
and
I
appreciate
councillor
holidays
points
about.
O
Does
it
really
matter
what
we're
saying
when,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
a
vote
and
these
votes
and
screengrabs
come
up
on
online
they're
posted
all
the
time
and
it's
it's
becomes
very
binary.
You
know
it's
a
yes
or
a
no,
and
we
all
appreciate
that,
but
I
think
we
also
understand
that
very
much.
The
the
nuance
of
the
discussion
is
important
when
we
look
at
councillor
Cole's
previous
motion
with
respect
to
the
liquor
licenses
on
restaurants
that
may
have
had
had
gun
violence.
O
You
know
that
there
was
a
vote
and
you
can
see
that
vote,
but
I
think
that
you
raised
well
I.
Think
councilor
holiday
raised
a
number
of
really
important
points
about
the
nuance
of
that
and
there
was
a
lot
of
important
nuanced
discussion
around
the
single-use
plastics
ban
as
well.
So
the
advantage
to
this
is,
you
know:
you're,
not
sifting
through
YouTube
for
hours,
we've
all
hit
the
YouTube
wall.
We've
all
experienced
that
this
is
as
simple
as
the
digitized
transcription
control-f.
O
You
can
search
pull
up
exactly
what
you're,
looking
for
and
I
think
it
brings
a
level
of
accountability
to
all
of
us
around
this
chamber.
That
would
probably
probably
be
useful
and
I
think
that
that's
a
good
thing
I
would
like
to
I
would
like
to
see
this
report
come
back
to
the
committee.
I
think
it's
fantastic
that
we
have
this
committee
in
place
right
now
to
look
at
things
like
this,
and
because
there
were
so
many
questions,
as
we
heard
from
clerks
I
think
that
report
will
be
a
fantastic
place
to
get
those
answers.
O
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
and
would
appreciate
your
support.
I
would
say,
generally
speaking,
everything
we
do
here.
I
guess
is
sort
of
adequate,
but
could
it
be
better?
We
are
the
fifth
largest
government
in
Canada.
This
is
this
is
practice
at
the
provincial
level,
of
course,
is
prevent
practice
at
the
federal
level
and
I
think
here
in
a
city
of
three
million
people.
O
J
You,
madam
Speaker,
having
lived
the
answer
at
its
call
for
26
years
of
my
life
and
I,
know:
counselor
Cole
and
counselor
and
Mara
Tory,
and
a
couple
of
other
colleagues
that
have
served
in
other
places.
There
is
a
value
added
for
having
answered,
there's,
also
a
lot
of
people
that
will
employ.
You
need
to
have
a
pool
of
people
that
actually
listen
to
the
tapes.
Try
to
to
transcribe
the
tapes.
J
You
will
still
have
to
look
at
it
what
you
said
and
what's
recording,
to
make
sure
that
it's
right
within
24
hours
before
he
gets
published
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
madam
Speaker,
although
it's
a
value
at
a
tool,
I
think
the
expenses
will
over
weigh
what
the
outcome
would
be
so
I
say
to
colleagues
what
we
have
right
now:
YouTube
works,
fine
we've
lived
with
it
for
a
long
long
time.
If
a
constituent
calls
up
and
says
what
did
you
say
that
particular
day?
J
J
It
will
not
add
any
value.
So
I'm
just
letting
you
know
that
look
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
left
early,
26,
here's
counselor
Pohl
15,
20
years,
23
years
there
you
go
I,
don't
think,
there's
an
abundant
people
out
there
that
went
to
going
to
say,
search
Hansard
in
in
the
provincial
legislature
and
see
what
you
were
saying
about
this
or
that
or
whatever
I
said
for
the
last
26
years.
So
madam
Speaker
I'll
leave
it
to
that
and
for
everybody
will
that
as
they
have
an
opinion.
Please
weigh
in
thank.
E
M
What
what
we
are
is
a
representative
democracy,
an
answer
tis
used
in
in
Commonwealth
countries
around
the
world,
there's
a
reason
for
that.
There's
a
reason
why
representative
bodies,
legislatures
around
the
world
use
answer
it's
because
when
we
are
speaking
here,
you
know
it's
not
Josh
Matt,
Lowe
alone,
from
st.
Paul's
or
Gord
perks
from
Parkdale,
High,
Park
and
all
of
the
rest
of
you.
M
We
are
here
representing
typically
in
our
cases
a
hundred
thousand
or
more
people
who
are
entrusting
our
voice
to
speak
for
them,
and
they
have
a
right
and
they
should
have
the
ability
to
know
what
we
said
on
their
behalf:
the
entire
city.
The
people
that
we
all
serve
collectively
should
have
an
opportunity
to
know
what
we
did.
There
is
not
decisions
or
not
decisions
in
isolation
decisions.
Madam
Speaker,
like
speaking
of
speaking
I,
can't
even
hear
myself
I.
G
A
A
M
What
we
do
here
matters
the
decisions
we
make
can
impact
the
quality
of
life
of
almost
three
million
people
in
the
city
and
sometimes
in
our
region
and
elsewhere.
The
decisions
we
make
can
affect
thousands
millions,
even
billions
of
dollars
that
people
had
to
work
really
hard
for
that
were
entrusted
with
and
that
we're
supposed
to
be
making
thoughtful
and
importantly,
honest
decisions
about
what
we
do
here
matters
and
it
matters
to
a
lot
of
other
people
other
than
us.
But
the
decisions
we
make
are
not
made
in
isolation.
There's
a
lead-up
to
that
decision.
M
M
There
was
a
lot
of
drama
going
on
there'd,
be
a
lineup
of
media
and
cameras,
and
reporters
I
remember
coming
in
sometimes
in
CNN
and
Al
Jazeera
I
was
waiting
outside
of
mayor
Ford's
office
elevator
these
days
we
now
have
a
one
reporter
I
see
Jennifer
sitting
there,
because
she
cares
to
make
sure
that
somebody
is
is,
is
witnessing
what
we
do
on
behalf
of
the
public
from
the
Fourth
Estate.
But
it's
really
difficult
for
journalists
to
be
able
to
go
back
and
understand
what
happened
that
amounted
to
a
decision.
M
Hansard
is
transparent
and
it
provides
journalists
the
ability
to
far
more
easily
reference
what
occurred,
how
it
occurred.
How
decision
was
made
to
provide
accountability
for
the
public?
I
also
believe
that
it
will
make
us
more
reflective
of
what
we
say
in
how
we
say
it.
If
counsel,
we
can
be
thoughtful
and
intelligent,
we
can
be
stupid
and
intemperance.
M
All
of
us
have
the
ability
to
be
any
one
of
those
things
at
different
times
and
I
think
it
might
actually
contribute
to
maybe
not
all
times,
but
at
the
best
of
times
some
were
cognizance
that
somebody's
watching
somebody's
recording
and
that
there
will
be
not
just
for
posterity,
but
for
the
history
books
literally
a
record
of
every
word.
We
say
because
our
words
don't
just
belong
to
us.
That's
why
we
have
an
FOI
Freedom
of
Information
Act.
M
That
I
think
is
a
broken
system,
but
there's
a
reason
for
it,
because
the
words
we
use
that
create
the
decisions
are
not
just
about
the
decisions
that
the
words
we
use,
written
or
spoken
are
part
of
the
decision-making
process
and
they
just
belong
to
us.
They
belong
to
the
thank
you
counselor
about,
though,.
A
G
Right,
madam
chair
I,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
long
but
I
haven't
I
have
been
listening
to
my
friend.
It
was
in
the
legislature
for
23
years,
and
he
said
not
once
in
23
years
did
anyone
say
mister
mr.
Cole
I
read
that
you
said
this
enhancer,
not
a
single
time.
I
will
say
this.
He
also
said
something
that
I
think
that
captures
us
very
well.
He
says
where's,
the
value
added
I
mean
I,
think
he
captured
it
very
nicely.
In
one
simple
question:
the
clerk's
office
has
spent
a
lot
of
time.
G
You
know
many
years
trying
to
develop
their
website
and
all
sorts
of
channels.
You
look
around
the
cameras
here
and
the
recordings
that
that
didn't
appear
overnight.
That
took
a
lot
of
thoughtful,
a
lot
of
thought,
a
lot
of
care,
a
lot
of
money,
a
lot
of
resources.
If
people
want
to
know
that
when
what
went
on
in
this
council
there's
a
very
easy
way
to
do
that,
we
do
not
answer,
does
not
in
any
way
add
to
that.
It
is
just
an
antiquated
duplication
of
a
system
that
already
exists.
D
P
P
P
Why
look
I'm
not
I'm,
not
dismayed
by
it,
and
it
doesn't
unnerve
me
if,
if
someone
wants
to
pay
attention
to
me,
they
can,
if
they
don't
choose
to
pay
attention
I'm.
Okay,
with
that
too,
carry
on
I,
I
love,
it
just
the
same
speaker
to
get
back
on
topic
when,
when
Rogers
used
to
televise
our
meaning,
the
public
had
access
to
it,
they
could
follow
it.
They
could
see
what
was
going
on.
P
They
could
understand
the
debate
and
they
did
that
and
then,
when,
when
that
was
lost,
we
lost
something
very,
very
important
as
well.
The
members
of
council
and
the
local
politicians,
as
well
as
the
community,
had
a
had
a
vehicle
by
which
they
could
translate.
You
know
issues
and
community
issues
and
goings-on
and
disseminate
that
information
directly
with
the
public
and
vice
versa
and
I
think
that
that's
a
very
important
conversation
now
now
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
a
Hansard
type
system,
it's
true
as
councilor
Menon
Wong,
suggested
that
Hansard
is
somewhat
antiquated
system.
P
It
happens
instantaneously,
as
you
speak,
you're
being
recorded.
You
can
literally
drop
your
last
word
and
then
ask
for
those
comments
back
and
they're
given
to
you,
and
you
can
read
out
what
you
said
or
someone
else
can
reread
what
you
said
and,
and
it's
a
very
and
that
was
a
very
very
contrary
to
what
counselor
Kerry
Janice
says.
P
It's
a
very,
very
important
part
of
the
tibay
at
the
debate,
because
integrity
and
people
paying
attention
to
what
they
say
is
really
really
important
in
public
service,
and
it's
it's
a
way
of
holding
people
to
account
for
for
what
they
say.
I,
because
it's
it's
actions
that
we
take
and
the
words
that
we
use
to
explain
those.
The
actions
that
we
take
are
so
so
very
important
in
in
providing
that
kind
of
transparency.
But
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
answered
or
whether
it's
the
video
recording
here
or
those
kinds
of
things.
P
But
what
I
do
know
is
that
we
need
to
have
a
much
broader
conversation,
not
just
about
this,
but
about
how
the
activity
and
what
city
council
does.
How
that
how
the
the
broader
public
and
in
Torontonians
can
access
that
and
an
access
yeah
that
activity
in
an
easy
to
follow
a
format
and,
quite
frankly
burying
it
in
zeros
and
ones
on
the
Internet
is
not
the
way
to
do
it,
because
not
everybody!
Everybody
still
has
a
television,
but
not
everybody
has
access
to
the
Internet
and
not
everybody
has
that
versatility.
P
P
Welcome
that
conversation
I
welcome
the
report
and
it's
something
that
I
think
that
a
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
and
we
need
to
have
it
in
a
I
believe
in
a
slightly
broader
context,
because
I
think
that
there's
a
there's
lots
of
community
folks
out
there
would
like
to
participate
with
us
in
this
kind
of
conversation
on
how
we
give
a
Torontonians
more
and
more
access
to
what
City,
Council
does
and
and
quite
frankly,
vice
versa.
So
good
for
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
tell
people
why
I
think
they
should
support
the
motions
and
I
the
the
main
reason
I
think
they
should
support.
The
motion
is
we'll
get
into
a
discussion
and
committee
and
in
fact
we
probably
won't
end
up
doing
an
answer,
but
I
want
to
thank
center
table
because
what
just
happened
well
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
the
rest
of
the
question.
I
was
asking:
how
do
I
navigate
this
item
by
item
on
on
youtube?
I
discovered
that
we
have
already
spent
money.
I
We
can
already
do
that,
but
in
a
way
that
wasn't
Labour's
and
easily
discovered,
but
but
I've
just
been
shown.
It
I
suspect
that
if
we
get
into
special
governance
committee,
where
we
can
properly
have
this
discussion,
we
will
find
out
not
only
what
it
might
cost
to
do.
The
old
school
way
Hanser,
but
we
might
discover
that
we
actually
have
the
means.
We've
already
made
the
investments
and
hold
the
software
licenses
that
we
can
do
this
digitally.
We
can
do
it
through
our
City
Council
YouTube
channel.
I
We
just
haven't
been
shown
it
such
that
we're
confident,
as
councillors
sustain
the
community
meeting
and
walk
our
own
residents
through
how
they
might
do
it
and
that's
that's
the
type
of
enrichment
of
what
we
already
have
that
should
actually
come
out
of
the
discussions,
we're
having
in
special
governance
committee,
we're
worried
about
a
deficit
in
democracy,
we're
worried
about
in
the
shrinking
of
council
it
becoming
more
remote
from
citizens
and
less
user
friendly
I.
Think.
I
That's
probably
the
reason
the
counts
are
Bradford
put
this
motion
before
us
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
same
things,
but
it
turns
out.
We
do
have
some
tools.
We
just
aren't
well
conversant
in
them
ourselves
such
that
we
can
go
out
to
the
community
and
make
ever
more
accessible
to
them
through
that
YouTube
city
council
channel.
If
this
motion
goes
there
you're
simply
putting
on
the
agenda
that
we
have
to
make
it
so
that
residents
can
do
the
backstroke
through
our
public
record
and,
thank
goodness
the
channel
already
exists.
I
C
I've
been
able
to
work
the
YouTube
system,
pretty
good
I
use
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
which
timestamps
the
votes
and
the
items,
and
then
you
can
translate
it
to
the
timestamp
on
the
YouTube.
So
you
know
I
find
I
get
things
pretty
pretty
quickly,
but
but
that's
me,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
on
what
we're
talking
about
today.
We're
not
talking
about
transcribing
video.
That's
easy!
You
know!
C
There's
software
out
there
you
can
download
the
YouTube
video
change
it
into
words
and
keep
that
as
a
text
block
and
search
that
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
technical
thing
that
doesn't
really
need
the
attention
of
the
clerks
of
the
city.
Somebody
can
anyone
can
do
that
around
the
world?
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
concept
of
the
official
records
of
the
city.
Looking
at
Parliament
UK's
website,
it's
the
Hansard
site.
It
says
the
official
report
of
all
parliamentary
debates,
so
the
debates
we
have
a
really
important.
We
all
participate
in
them.
C
There's
there's
value
in
them.
In
fact,
even
I
would
go
back
in
YouTube
and
look
at
them
once
in
a
while.
But
what
we're
talking
about
is
adding
a
layer
to
what
our
clerk's
office
does,
because
they
keep
minutes.
They
keep
all
of
the
records
of
the
motions
boy
we
sign
them.
They
even
keep
those
so
suddenly
now
they're
going
to
have
to
maintain
an
additional
official
record
set,
because
that's
what
Hansard
is
talking
about
Digital
transcription
of
the
video
we're
talking
about
an
entire
line
of
business
for
the
clerk's
I'll
remind
members
of
council.
C
C
I,
don't
know
what
the
illegal
implications
are
of
keeping
records
of
debates.
We
keep
a
certain
record
set
which
shows
our
decisions
and
I
asked
the
clerk
about
that
in
the
questions.
But
now
we're
going
to
introduce
this
entire
extra
body
and
layer
of
files
and
information
that
become
official
records,
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
YouTube
videos
are
considered
our
official
archives
they're
out
there
for
convenience
and
access.
C
But
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
in
this
motion,
so
I
would
urge
members
to
be
cautious
about
wading
into
the
waters
of
creating
an
entire
new
record,
set
a
whole
new
concept.
It's
much
bigger
than
just
simply
transcribing.
Video
and
I
appreciate
the
arguments
and
the
reasons
for
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
it
is
us
or
our
clerks
that
need
to
do
that
particular
operation.
C
A
K
K
K
K
G
E
G
G
A
G
E
G
E
D
K
Want
to
speak
and
I
certainly
wanted.
Obviously,
if
that
isn't
enough
money,
then
there'll
be
a
conversation
with
the
staff,
because
there'll
be
some
community
discussion
around
the
design
and
when
it
comes
up
to
the
tender
price,
just
as
it
happens
in
any
playground,
any
one
of
us
may
be
working
on
and
staff
say.
Well,
that's
falling
short.
We
come
back
here
and
we
move
that
motion
to
top
that
up
to
get
to
that
budget.
So
I
would
not
expect
anything
different
and
sending
something
to
committee,
so
councillors
might
want
to
kill
a
dog
park.
K
I
just
don't
think
that's
the
direction
that
I'd
like
to
go
and
I'd
ask
Council
not
to
support
that.
Should
councillor
Minh
and
Wong
make
that
motion
staff
are
very
clear
if
something
gets
designed,
they
don't
have
the
money
for
either
it
gets
designed
to
the
amount
or
we
find
a
way
to
top
that
up,
but
not
from
the
budgets,
not
from
your
budget.
Councillor
Crawford,
as
we
know
it's
either
from
section
37
or
from
a
discretionary
budget.
That
is
our
extra
money.
K
K
First,
because
dogs
are
running
off
leash.
Second,
because
the
way
the
park
was
set
was
too
smelly
and
dusty.
Third,
because
the
surface
is
unsatisfactory,
and
people
in
wheelchairs
and
blind
people
are
falling
over
and
can't
access
this
great
dog
park.
So
this
is
a
commitment
that
I
think
we
should
try
this
and
I'm
willing
to
use
the
funds
from
development
in
my
area,
because
there's
a
lot
of
dogs
to
pilot
this
and
a
larger
basis
and
let's
see
how
it
works
out.
K
That's
built
for
dogs,
so
I
would
just
very
much
like
to
make
this
happen
and
let
you
know,
and
then
we'll
see,
for
anyone
who
thinks
that
it's
easier
to
just
have
wood
chips
and
I
have
spoken
to
my
parks,
operation,
people
at
this
location
and
an
other
dog
parks
that
I
have.
They
have
to
be
tapped
topped
up
every
year
they
break
down,
that's
very
expensive.
So
for
ten
years,
that's
about
fifty
thousand
dollars,
and
for
ten
years
it's
probably
two
hundred
and
fifty
two
three.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
just
speaking,
counts
councillor
Fletcher
intimated
that
I
was
against
this
dog
park
and
I'm
against
dog
parks.
That's
the
first
furthest
thing
from
the
truth:
I
love
dogs,
in
fact,
I
I,
would
be
in
favor
of
having
open
dog
parks
where
dogs
could
run
freely
at
certain
hours
subject
to
conditions
I've,
you
know
always
been
a
bit
of
a
big
advocate
of
that.
I
would
say
this.
However,
staff
had
told
me
last
week
that
this
project
was
over
budget
and
there
was
no.
G
There
wasn't
enough
money
for
it
and
that's
that's
why
I
held
it
and
so
I
think
that
if
it
does
go
over
budget,
we
need
to
know,
and
one
of
the
clues
that
suggests
that
it
will
go
over
budget
is
councillor.
Fletcher
said
when
she
was
speaking
that
Waterfront
Toronto
was
involved,
and
you
know
when
waterfront
Toronto's
involved
it
pretty.
No,
no,
he
said
I
thought
you
said:
Waterfront
Toronto
was
involved.
Oh
I,
see
there,
okay,
very
good.
Well
one
thing:
we
one
thing:
we
know
about
that
separate
Park.
A
A
A
H
Just
like
to
speak,
I,
don't
think
it
requires
any
explanation,
speaker
as
to
the
derivation
of
this,
but
I
think
that
I'm
normally
not
one
who
likes
to
see
us
get
too
involved
in
things.
Certainly
that
happened
outside
the
country,
but
there's
exceptions
to
that
even
outside
the
province,
because
I
think
we
have
enough
on
our
plate
here.
But
I.
H
Think
if
you
look
at
you
know
the
foundations
of
our
own
city
in
the
waves
of
immigration
and
what
they
have
done
to
to
make
this
city
what
it
is
and
what
has
accompanied
that,
which
is
the
set
of
values
that
have
governed
the
way
that
we
have
tried,
and
we
haven't
achieved
perfection
by
any
means.
But
the
way
we've
tried
to
build
a
city
that
embraces
people
and
accepts
them
for
who
they
are
and
and
celebrates
the
differences
and,
in
fact,
then
above
all
else
respects
freedom
of
expression
and
freedom
of
religion.
H
H
We
thought
it
was
important
that
not
only
did
the
montreal
council
speak
with
one
voice,
but
that
if
you
look
at
us
being
the
largest
and
most
diversity
in
the
country
and
them
being
the
second
largest
city
in
the
country-
and
you
look
at
the
roots
of
the
country
itself,
which
had
our
indigenous
people
and
the
country
was
founded
on
our
indigenous
people,
plus
two
founding
cultures
and
languages.
So
I
think
this
probably
had
something
to
do
with
our
embracing
of
diversity.
H
A
O
A
H
A
N
H
Are
leaving
councillor
Leighton
very
thoughtfully,
came
over
to
me
yesterday
and
just
said:
had
we
said
anything
about
the
terrible
fire
in
Notre
Dame
in
Paris
and
I
actually
had
tweeted
something.
But
what
we've
done
today
is
I
think
we've
retreated
that
and
changed
the
colors
of
the
sign
to
the
colors
of
the
French
flag,
and
we
did
that.
H
But
we
had
sent
something
about
on
the
very
day
of
that
terrible
fire
and
I'm
very
hard
to
hear
that
they're
gonna
fix
the
building
and
I'm
sure
they'll
fix
it
well,
and
they
seem
to
have
lots
of
money
to
do
that.
But
I
just
wanted
people
to
know
that.
That's
why
the
sign
is
the
color
that
it
is,
and
we
had
put
something
out
on
the
day
of
the
on
behalf
of
all
the
members
of
council
on
the
day
of
the
terrible
fire.
Hey.