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City Council, meeting 12, November 27, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
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12.1
notice,
if
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion
subject
to
refer
to
the
economic
and
Community
Development
Committee,
a
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
paper.
Carry
mm
12.2
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
moshus
subject
to
refer
to
the
economic
and
Community
Development
Committee.
A
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carried.
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So
we'll
correct
your
name
on
favorite.
Waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carries
12
mm
12.9
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
moshus
subject
to
referral
that
toronto,
nice
jerk
me
counselor
to
third
boat,
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
relates
to
an
alcohol
Gaming
Commission
my
Terry
hearing
and
has
been
deemed
urgent
on
favorite
waving
referral
on
the
item
on
favor
Kerry.
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A
Is
every
is
everyone?
Okay
with
that
amendment?
Okay,
on
favor
of
the
amendment
carried
item
as
amended?
Oh,
that's!
It
1211
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion
subject
to
referral
the
Toronto
East
your
can
we
count
so
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
relates
to
an
alcohol,
Gaming
Commission
Ontario
hearing
and
has
been
deemed
urgent
on
favorably.
Being
referral
carry
on
the
item
on
favor.
You.
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Mm
12:15
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given.
This
motion
is
subject
to
refer
to
the
North
York
Amy
counts.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favorite
way
being
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carried
1216
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given.
This
motion
is
subject
to
referral
to
Toronto
East,
your
community
consul,
a
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
A
This
motion
relates
to
a
Toronto
local
appeal
body
hearing
and
has
been
deemed
urgent
on
favor
of
waving
with
purl
carry
on
the
item
on
favor
carry
mm
1217
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion
a
subject
to
reopen
of
item
T
8.11
a
2/3
vote
is
required
to
reopen
that
item
it
reopened.
Oh,
we
already
did
that
one.
Okay,
sorry,
1218
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given.
This
motion
is
subject
to
refer
to
the
general
government
and
licensing
committee.
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A
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A
I
A
Mm
1223
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion.
Subject
to
report
to
the
north
york
immediate
council
a
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waiver
Perl.
This
motion
relates
to
Toronto
local
appeal
body
hearing
and
has
been
deemed
urgent
on
favorably.
Being
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
pardon
recorded
vote.
A
1224
notice
of
this
motion
has
not
been
given
a
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
notice.
This
motion
subject
to
refer
to
the
scarborough
committee
counsel,
but
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favorite
way,
be
notice
carried
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item.
Pardon
you
would
like
to
hold
well
recorded.
Ok
recorded
recorded
vote.
A
1225
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
a
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
notice
this
motion
subject
to
refer
to
the
Etobicoke
yurka
me
counsel.
A
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
way.
We
notice
carried
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
babe
pardon
recorded.
A
Mm
1226
noticed
that
this
motion
has
not
been
given
that
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
notice.
This
motion
is
subject
to
referral
to
the
government
and
licensing
committee.
A
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
wavy
parties.
A
A
Mm
12
27
notice.
If
this
motion
has
not
been
given
that
two-thirds
boat
is
required
to
wave
notice,
this
motion
is
subject
to
reopened
in
vitam
ec
8.5.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
reopen
that
item.
If
we
open
the
previous
counter
decision
remains
in
force,
unless
counsel
decides
otherwise.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
wavy
notice,
carried
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
reopening
on
the
item.
Our
favor
carry.
J
I'm
I
just
like
to
ask
cuz,
there's
an
item
currently
in
front
of
the
infrastructure
and
Environment
Committee
entitled
congestion
management
plan,
and
how
is
it
that
this
item
doesn't
require
a
reopening
of
ie,
9.6
or
removal
from
committee,
a
seasoning
from
committee
or
whatever
the
the
terminology
is
given
that
it's
asking
for
to
talk
about
the
effectiveness
of
the
of
the
plan.
I
would
say
also,
though,
just
to
make
it
easy
on
everyone
that
this
congestion
management
plan
update
was
deferred
at
the
last
infrastructure
and
environment
meeting.
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A
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A
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair.
This
moshus,
subject
to
reopening
of
item
SC
7.2
to
a
two-thirds
vote,
is
required
to
reopen
that
that
item
if
reopened,
the
previous
council
decision
remains
in
place
unless
council
decides
otherwise
on
favor
reopening
carried
on
favor
carry
mm.
12:30
to
this
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair.
This
motion
is
not
subject
to
a
vote
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
been
added
to
the
agendas
before
council
for
debate
on
the
item
recorded
both.
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P
You
so
the
item
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
came
as
a
result
of
a
staff
report
which
it
tried
to
summarize
the
consultations
that
we've
done
to
date
and
some
of
the
things
you've
heard
and
advised
that
some
some
further
work
be
done,
but
not
directing
us
to
do
a
whole
lot
of
actions
except
something
around
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
one
or
two
other
things.
That's
sort
of
a
fair
summary
of
why
we
talk
here.
Yes,.
H
You
counselor,
we
heard
from
39
public
speakers.
At
the
committee
we
received
50
submissions
story
that
clerks
received
50
submissions.
We
received
an
additional
107
input
from
82
neighborhood
associations
and
a
completion
of
570
surveys.
We
also
had
participants
attend
public
sessions
that
we
held
across
the
city
right.
P
And
a
great
many
of
the
communications
that
we
got,
especially
in
that
last
meeting,
we're
encouraging
us
to
further
investigate
some
of
the
options
that
that
we'd
considered
not
to
just
put
them
off,
but
rather
to
do
a
more
intensive
look
at
some
of
the
potential
ways
of
changing
our
governance.
That
was
an
awful
lot
of
the
commentary
we
got
at
that
last
meeting.
Wasn't
it
yes,.
P
I'll
speak
louder,
so,
as
a
result
of
that,
I
asked
your
office
to
undertake
some
work
on
what
it
would
do
to
really
robustly
investigate
those
questions,
to
bring
in
expertise
to
really
you
know,
communicate
with
Torontonians
and
get
their
advice
and
for
a
total
of
I
think
of
six
different
items.
You
suggested
a
figure
of
3.3
million
dollars
who
would
be
adequate?
Is
that
right?
Yes,.
P
P
C
C
C
Mean
the
AMBER
Alert,
but
I'm
serious,
counselor,
Parata
I'm.
Sorry,
madam
Speaker,
because
I've
broken
the
chain
I
should
be
addressing
another
counselor
through
you.
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
hear
myself
think
so.
My
questions,
my
questions
are
on
motions
that
that
I
moved
at
special
governance
that
that
failed
on
ties
and
I
will
be
placing
them
here
again.
I
think
a
lot
of
counselors
know
that
there
in
the
minutes,
so
just
wanted
to
ask
some
questions
on
them,
because
there
are
things
that
community
members
brought
those
39
deputations.
C
H
C
That
was
sort
of
difficult
in
the
confines
we
limited
ourselves
to
a
certain
number
of
meetings
and
and
and
certain
number
of
things
really
had
to
be
dealt
with
on
an
urgent
basis.
So
well,
we
got
a
lot
of
requests
to
look
at
those
things
in
depth.
Is
it
fair
to
say
we
haven't
really
given
you
the
amount
of
time
or
resources,
you
would
need
to
answer
those
requests.
H
B
C
Some
process
motions
I'll
be
moving
in,
but
the
ones
that
are
to
do
with
election
reform
campaign
finance
reform.
Can
we
categorize
these
there's?
There
is
the
the
off
spoke
at
about
a
ranked
balloting
issue,
and
the
motion
on
that
one
is
a
little
unique
because
we
do.
We
do
have
the
legislative
authority
to
decide
whether
or
not
we
want
to
do
that.
As
long
as
we
follow
their
process.
Is
that
the
case.
Q
The
to
tap
the
two-step
process-
that's
laid
out
in
statute,
requires
counsel
prior
to
considering
and
passing
a
bylaw
to
undertake
public
education
and
consultation,
which
at
a
minimum,
requires
one
public,
open
house
and
one
statutory
public
meeting
and
also
requires
council
to
consider
the
costs
to
the
municipality,
to
implement
right
choice,
the
technology
and
if
we
have
the
technology
in
order
to
do
it
and
the
impact
on
election
administration.
So
the.
C
C
Respect
to
campaign
finance
reform-
I
spoke
about
it
at
the
committee.
Some
may
know
or
read.
The
material
I
wrote
on
it
that
I'm
a
fan
of
the
New
York
City
grant
model
as
opposed
to
the
rebate
model,
but
with
similar
ratios
of
public
money
to
donor
money.
That
one
is
different.
We
don't
have
the
legislative
authority
to
do
that.
Nor
is
there
a
clear
process
from
the
legislature.
My
putting
that
right.
So.
Q
Through
the
speaker,
that's
correct,
councilor.
Currently
the
Municipal
Elections
Act
does
set
out
campaign
finance
framework.
It
also
provides
council
the
ability
to
pass
a
bylaw
requiring
a
contribution
rebate
program.
We
do
not
currently
have
the
authority
to
implement
a
new
york-style
grant
program
as
I
understand
the
parameters
of
it.
So
we
would
need
legislative
change
in
order
to
consider
that
for
Toronto,
so.
C
Last
question,
madam
Speaker:
if
we
wanted
that
legislative
change,
if
we
wanted
to
make
financing
campaigns
more
community-based,
more
grassroots,
more
accountable,
so
we
wanted
to
make
a
change.
Is
it
fair
to
say
we
need
to
make
the
business
case
write
a
report
that
is
the
business
case
for
it
and
send
that
to
the
province
with
the
request,
rather
than
just
send
a
request
saying
we
know
about
this
thing
and
we
want
it.
We
want
to
change.
Can
we
please
have
your
approval
up
front,
we're
better
off
developing
the
business
case
here
in
this
hall?
Q
The
speaker
in
all
honesty,
councillor,
I'm
a
little
bit
of
two
minds
on
that
matter.
I
think
that
at
times
it
may
be
better
to
signal
to
the
province
that
there
is
some
legislative
change
that
we
may
be
looking
for
to
see
if
there
is
an
appetite
or
some
level
of
support
for
that
kind
of
intergovernmental
advocacy
or
legislative
amendments.
But
I
do
agree
with
you.
They
can't
really
change
the
legislation
and
unless
they
understood
the
parameters
of
a
program
that
we
would
be
looking
for.
Thank.
D
H
Yes,
counselor
often
in
midterm,
there's
a
realignment
redistribution
of
members
to
bodies
including
agencies
and
boards
and
for
the
citizens,
public
appointment
process.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
hear
someone
speak
to
that,
but
the
process
is
to
secure
the
members
for
the
the
term
of
counsel,
yeah
I,
understand.
Q
H
H
So
sorry
I
know
that
Jarnell,
which
would
happy
to
respond
as
well.
When
we
did
look
at
this,
we
did
look
at
other
jurisdictions
and
it
was
standard
across
other
jurisdictions
to
to
have
this
review
parsley
to
include
other
perspectives.
But
of
course
it
is
up
to
Council
to
make
a
determination
about
the
length
of
those
terms
and
they
can
change
it
as
they
see
fit.
Okay,.
C
M
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
ask
clerk
staff
that
one
of
the
that,
if
we
move
forward
there,
are
think
we
have
a
pre
circulated
motion
about
the
rank
balloting.
That
would
be
a
we're
assuming
that's
on
25,
but
we're
not
really
sure
until
the
Supreme
Court
hears
the
case
for
a
bill,
five,
if
will
be
25
members
or
47
members
or
some
other
number.
Am
I
right
so.
Q
Through
the
speaker,
that
is
correct,
councilor
implementing
ranked
ballot
elections
in
an
election,
the
size
and
complexity
of
Toronto
be
a
very
complex
undertaking
and
would
require
a
lot
of
change
to
our
ballot.
Our
technology
processes
are
voting
police
procedures
and
a
whole
bunch
of
other
election
administration
details,
and
you.
M
Also
would
have
access
so
that
we
could
see
from
the
London
election
as
you
could
be
in
touch
with
that
clerk
to
find
out
how
easy
what
pitfalls
there
might
be.
What
we
need
to
look
for
the
ballot
looked
like
any
enhancements.
Those
kinds
of
things
would
be
possible
for
you
to
report
back
on.
Those
things
is
that
right
through.
Q
The
speaker,
we
have
been
in
contact
with
London,
just
out
of
interests
and
our
own
sort
of
continuous
improvement.
We
did
look
at
London's
experience
with
rank-choice.
They
were
the
first
in
Ontario.
We
have
some
high-level
information
from
London.
We
are
aware
of
some
of
the
challenges
they
faced,
but
certainly
if
we
had
a
direction
to
implement
ranked
choice,
we
would
get
a
lot
more
detail
from
London's
experience
and
try
and
learn
from
some
of
the
best
practices
that
they
developed
in
that
process
and.
M
Q
Q
Q
It's
called
a
single
elimination
method
and
then
the
batch
elimination
method
is
that
all
candidates
who
do
not
have
a
mathematical
chance
of
being
elected,
are
eliminated
at
the
same
time
and
votes
of
eliminated
candidates
are
distributed
to
the
remaining
candidates
according
to
next
preference
on
each
ballot.
So.
M
Just
following
a
thank
you
that
was
even
fast
to
explain
that,
but
one
of
the
reason-
and
it
sounds
like
one
of
them-
might
be
more
complicated
but
more
democratic,
because
every
vote
is
going
to
count
as
it
cascades
upward.
One
of
the
things
we're
at
the
Supreme
Court
and
our
case
is
that
the
right
of
electors
to
fair
representation
correct.
F
M
M
E
M
Q
Correct
councilor
and
I
mean
we
have
had
some
very
preliminary
conversations
in
our
office
around
whether
we
would
want
to
look
at
a
single
or
a
batch
methodology,
I
think
from
a
transparency
perspective.
You
know
our
initial
impression
would
be
to
look
to
a
single
London
actually
did
batch
elimination
and
the
comment
that
I
understand
that
the
clerk
of
London
made
after
their
election
was
she
would
have
preferred
to
have
done
a
single
and
because
it.
M
M
C
You
counselor
councillor
Fletcher,
to
clarify
you,
you
mentioned
the
motion,
you
think
it's
circulated
it
in
fact,
hasn't
so
I've
asked
that
my
name's
early
on
the
speaker's
list,
so
it
will
be
circulated
as
soon
as
possible,
so
we're
just
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
questions
of
staff,
councillor
holiday
to
question
staff.
Thank.
G
You
madam
Deputy
Speaker
through
to
staff
I
wondered
if
somebody
could
recap
quickly
what
the
original
ask
of
the
committee
was
well.
What
did
counsel
tell
the
committee
to
go
look
at
and
what
did
you
support
us
over
the
last
year
to
do,
and
you
can
even
paraphrase
it
if
you
wish,
if
it
was
a
lot
of
the
lines
of
evaluating.
H
G
Model,
okay,
and
so
we
did
a
whole
bunch
of
consultations
throughout
the
last
year
and
I'm
going
to
say,
consultation
is
broad.
We
had
evening
sessions,
there's
a
website.
People
wrote
in
people,
came
to
several
committee
meetings,
people
made
presentations,
fair
to
say
we.
We
had
a
lot
of
consultation
over
the
last
year,
and
could
you
tell
me
of
all
the
things
that
people
told
us
was?
Were
there
a
lot
of
problems
that
were
raised
or
where
there
were
a
lot
of
solutions
that
were
brought
to
us
and
what
I'm
getting
at
is.
G
H
G
H
That
we
found
two
major
things.
One
was
very.
Very
few.
People
spoke
to
the
structures
of
our
governance
system,
the
standing
committees
and
the
community
council
boundaries,
and
so
I'm
very
few
people
talk
spoke
to
those
and
many
spoke
to
issues
that
have
been
kind
of
ongoing
issues
with
regards
to,
for
example,
public
engagement
with
the
city
that
pre
preceded
the
committee's
work
and
and
continue
on
as
well.
Additionally,
things
like
how
neighborhoods
and
neighborhood
associations
work
with
the
city,
and
so
those
were
all
mentioned,
as
kind
of
the
ideas
that
came
forward
from
participants.
H
G
So
but
you
mentioned
earlier
in
the
report,
a
lot
of
people
wrote
in
about
ranked
ballots.
It
was
the
vast
dominant
theme
on
the
email
submissions.
Can
you
tell
me,
though,
what
was
the
problem
that
people
were
bringing
up
related
to
elections?
I
know,
there's
lots
of
solutions
in
ranked
ballot
was
one
of
them,
but
what
was
the
problem,
or
was
there
a
problem
identified?
I.
H
C
That
just
one
second
I'm,
just
gonna,
ask
one
more
time
if
people
want
to
have
really
in-depth
conversations
that
they
move
them
outside
of
the
circle.
Councillor
Fillion
councillor,
Piazza,
I'm,
really
I'm,
really
begging.
Now,
if
people
could
take
the
conversation
outside
the
circle,
I'm
having
trouble
hearing
councillor
Holliday
and
the
answers
to
his
questions,
thank
you.
H
Q
F
Q
G
Enough
so
60
something
and
20
something
right
and
I
believe
you
in
terms
of
connecting
with
people
and
encourage
being
people
to
go
out
to
vote
any
guesses.
If
we
handed
somebody
a
deck
of
a
ballot
that
said
out
of
these
60
names,
they're
gonna
be
listed
three
times
pick
number
one
pick
number
two
and
pick
number
three
on
the
next
few
pages
pick
your
first
councillor
pick
your
second
councillor
pick
your
third
councillor
and
by
the
way
on
the
back,
choose
the
one
school
board
person
that
you
that
you
like.
G
Q
Through
the
speaker
certainly
councillor,
we
are
concerned
about
the
challenge
of
designing
a
ballot
that
would
be
accessible
given
the
number
of
rankings
and
that
we
actually
are
using
two
different
voting
methodologies,
ranked
choice
for
mayor
and
counselor
and
first-past-the-post
for
our
school
trustees.
The
ballot
will
need
to
be
incredibly
long,
probably
longer
than
a
19-inch,
which
I
think
is
the
maximum
we've
used
to
date,
and
we
may
have
to
contemplate
two
separate
ballots,
I.
Q
Think
from
our
perspective,
we
would
need
to
do
a
lot
more
public
education
and
outreach
and
communication,
particularly
with
communities
that
may
have
barriers
to
voting,
to
ensure
that
they
understand
how
to
cast
her
ballot
appropriately.
We'd
also
probably
need
to
staff
her
voting
places
with
more
voting
place
staff
so
that
electors
have
the
opportunity
when
they
attend
a
voting
place
to
have
the
ballot
explained
to
them
in
detail
to
ensure
they
can
fill
it
out
correctly.
Anyone
familiar.
G
Q
C
Thank
You
councillor
holiday
councillor
Thompson
before
just
before
you
start
joining
us
in
the
chamber,
is
a
delegation
from
Seneca
College.
They
are
working
a
very
global
group
working
with
the
Institute
of
secretarial
training
and
management,
Government
of
India
and
they're,
providing
a
one-week
training
program
for
the
central
secretariat,
stenographers
service
officers
of
the
government
of
india
and
they're
here
to
observe
and
explore
emerging
trends
and
technology
and
used
in
that
are
using
the
provision
of
high-level
customer
centric
service
delivery.
Well,
at
city
hall,
they'll
be
attending
a
workshop
called
my
local
government.
C
It's
for
me
and
I
just
wanted
to
welcome
them
to
the
chamber.
Seneca
colleges
in
the
word
that
I
represent
and
also
to
let
you
know
you
have
a
treat
based
on
what
we
went
through
because
of
some
legislative
change
in
the
summer.
There
is
no
debate
anywhere
in
the
country
of
Canada
that
we
have
in
fact
the
most
nimble
and
high-performing
clerks
in
the
country
for
any
municipality.
Having
survived
bill
five
central
table
are
the
hero's
welcome.
O
O
O
H
O
H
O
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
you
help
me
to
understand
this
ranked
ballot
system?
That's
I,
guess
that
you
you've
indicated
that
there
are
several,
but
we
we
have
this
concern
with
respect
to
the
diversity
of
council.
We
wanted
to
expand
that
if
we
were
to
implement
such
a
system,
would
that
get
us
closer
to
expanding
our
diversity
in
this
chamber.
Q
Through
the
speaker
so
councillor
in
all
honesty,
I
believe
the
research
on
the
policy
electoral
impacts
of
using
ranked
choice
in
jurisdictions
across
the
globe
predominately
in
the
US
has
been
somewhat
mixed.
I
think
that
the
policy
rationale
that
sort
of
underpins
rank
choice
is
that
it
reduces
incumbent
advantage.
It
is
intended
to
increase
diversity,
but
I
will
suggest
that
that
hasn't
all
in
the
case,
there's.
Q
O
O
Will
we
see
more
people
coming
out
to
vote
as
part
of
that
process?
That
would,
if
we
were
to
change
that,
to
this
rank
system,
would
more
people
be
coming
out
to
vote
because
I
hear
people
talk
about
fairness
and
democracy
and
greater
representation
and
so
on?
What
are
some
of
the
challenges
for
people
that
why
they
don't
actually
come
out
to
vote?
Have
you
looked
at
that
as
an
issue.
Q
Q
O
Understand
that
there's
a
problem
you
talk
about
what
the
clerk
does
in
terms
of
communication,
I
presume
understanding
what
the
problem
is.
You
would
offer
through
the
process,
solutions
your
ideas
in
terms
of
how
to
attract
or
get
more
people
to
participate
in
democracy
has
been
a
stress.
Are
you
doing
that
work?
We.
Q
We
do
that
we
develop
an
implement
of
wide
variety
of
alternative
motive,
voting
methods
to
ensure
that
people
are
able
to
participate
in
the
electoral
process.
We
did
a
home
visit
program
for
the
first
time
in
2018
to
ensure
that
homebound
electors
have
the
ability
to
vote.
We
do
curbside
voting.
We
do
proxy
voting,
so
we've
got
a
whole
range
of
alternative
voting
methods
that
we
try
to
utilize
to
encourage
people
to
come
out
and
cast
their
ballot
right.
O
And
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
a
fair
question,
we're
gonna
throw
it
out
there
anyways.
So
we
have
a
system
and
naturally
we
want
to
change
it
because
we
don't
think
it
works
and
that's
generally
the
flavor
in
terms
of
how
people
see
this
you're
not
suggesting
that,
based
on
the
experience
with
the
work
and
the
other
jurisdictions
that
you've
spoken
with,
that,
you
actually
have
an
absolute
system
that
works
perfectly
to
address
the
issue
around
democracy:
fairness,
equal
representation.
Are
you
suggesting
that
ranked
ballot
will
give
us
that
sanctity
of
understanding.
O
Q
Counselor
I'm
happy
to
answer
your
question.
Yes,
I
think
the
point
I
was
trying
to
get
it
is
the
clerk
absolutely
looks
at
other
jurisdictions
for
all
sorts
of
electoral
innovations,
including
ranked
choice,
and
we
believe
that
our
role
would
be
to
provide
the
facts
to
Council
rather
than
preferred
opinion.
C
K
G
K
And
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
the
work
that
he
and
the
committee
members
have
done.
I
I
just
add
my
voice
to
a
few
things
that
I
would
like
to
see
in
the
future,
and
I
would
like
to
see
this
discussion
of
governance
continue
because
well
you
know
that
govern
that
phase
needed
to
respond
to
a
very
fast-moving
reality
that
we
were
all
sort
of
plopped
into
with
respect
to
the
changes
in
the
election
and
the
format
of
council.
I
still
think
that
there's
so
much
more
that
can
be
done.
K
You
know,
I
look
to
councillor
Carol,
for
example.
She
has
been
a
champion
of
ideas
like
reforming,
along
with
karyn's
Lee
and
others
reforming
the
way
that
we
even
have
the
elections
themselves
with
rank
ballots
and
participatory
budgeting.
There
have
been
a
number
of
suggestions
in
the
public
about
how
do
we
better
engage
communities
with
a
smaller
Council,
whether
it
be
community
boards,
like
we've,
seen
new
york,
city
or
or
even
looking
at
the
devolution
of
powers
towards
our
community
councils,
so
that
we
can
well
be
an
amalgamated
City?
K
Look
at
some
of
the
priorities
and
issues
that
face
certain
regions
of
our
city
and
then
better
engage
local
neighbourhoods
in
those
discussions
to
focus
on
some
of
those
local
priorities,
and
maybe
a
mix
of
that
and
participatory
budgeting
to
boot.
What
I'm
saying
is:
here's
some
blue
sky.
These
are
kind
of
creative,
innovative
democracy,
loving
ideas
that
are
not
just
ours
alone,
but
many
of
them
have
been
implemented
with
great
success
in
cities
around
the
world.
K
Residents
in
our
city
want
to
be
involved
with
this
process.
They
want
representative
government,
but
they
also
want
to
have
their
voice
heard
and
their
ideas
considered,
and
they
want
to
be
at
the
table,
sometimes
literally
and
sometimes
figuratively,
but
they
want
to
be
part
of
this
discussion
and
I
would
submit
that
that
the
outcome
of
this
process
didn't
fully
approach
that
priority
as
well
as
I,
think
we
should
be
doing
I
believe
that
they're
gonna
be
motions
from
some
of
my
colleagues
today.
That
will
ask
us
not
to
solely
reject
the
work.
K
That's
been
done,
but
really
to
look
at
what
more
can
we
do?
How
can
we
better
improve
our
city?
How
can
we
better
improve
our
model
of
government
to
reflect
the
priorities
of
our
communities
and
the
diversity
of
different
priorities?
We
have
geographically
and
otherwise,
and
then
also
add
I'm
so
proud
of
this
council
for
supporting
the
report
request
that
the
city
manager
I
know
has
been
salivating
to
take
on
on
on
advancing
the
cause
for
a
city
charter.
K
G
You,
madam
Deputy
Speaker
I,
would
wish
to
place
a
number
of
motions
if
I
can
ask
the
clerk's
to
put
those
on
the
screen,
I've
got
copies
here
and
I'll
see
if
I
can
paraphrase
them.
The
first
is
the
city
manager
in
consultation
with
a
clerk
to
come
back
to
the
executive
committee
and
report
on
a
few
things.
G
The
first
is
an
expanded
role
of
community
council
beyond
what
we
do
today
in
decision
making
also
increasing
number
of
success
factors
for
public
engagement
with
council
and
committees
through
things
like
the
plain
one
language
summaries
that
we
get
with
the
Auditor
General's
reports.
In
one
of
the
reports
we
saw
at
the
committee,
it
did
speak
to
that
about
getting
that
information
to
citizens.
Obviously
new
technology
and
open
data,
more
meeting
locations
and
times
and
other
best
practices
that
we
can
use
to
encourage
more
people
to
be
better
represented
at
these
various
committees.
G
First
item
sees
to
ask
the
city
clerk
to
come
to
the
executive
committee
to
look
at
our
procedural
bylaw,
but
I'm
going
to
be
quite
precise
on
this.
It
would
be
proposing
a
two-thirds
majority
to
overturn
a
recommendation
of
an
appointment,
and
we
know
that
that
has
created
a
lot
of
discussion
in
here
and
council
should
talk.
It
should
agree,
Thank,
You,
councillor,
perks.
G
Councillor
council
should
agree
that
you
know
the
right
procedure
on
this
or
the
convention
that
we
ought
to
use
is
to
simply
refer
the
matter
back
with
some
instructions
to
help
those
bodies
figure
out
what
what
went
to
miss
and
the
lastest
is
to
ask
the
city
clerk
in
consultation
with
the
city
manager
and
I
I.
Think
that
might
be
reversed
on
that
motion
there.
G
I'd
like
to
thank
my
colleagues
and
all
of
the
staff
to
supported
the
process
over
the
last
year,
I've
been
listening
outside
of
the
committee
in
into
the
in
the
committee,
but
what
I
brought
up
in
questions
were.
There
was
a
lot
of
ideas
that
came
forward
if
we
think
back
the
committee
was
originally
created
so
that
we
had
a
chance
to
evaluate
the
decisions
we
made
on
the
very
first
council
meeting
where
we
set
a
structure
in
place
and
I.
G
Think
most
of
us
have
realized
that
those
were
the
right
choices,
but
what
happened
at
the
committee
was
that
vaccum
got
filled
with
a
lot
of
people
that
came
forward
with
a
lot
of
ideas,
ideas
that
I
think
many
existed
before
the
committee
was
struck
and
had
a
chance
to
come
forward
during
the
committee
and
would
have
a
chance
to
come
forward
outside
the
committee,
because
there's
a
number
of
standing
committees
that
these
ideas
can
come
to.
So
my
emotions
actually
refer.
G
Some
of
this
work
to
those
standing
committees
where
that
work
belong
and
I
tried
to
be
balancing
some
of
the
things
that
I
heard
in
the
chamber,
but
I
also
tried
to
integrate
the
concepts
of
you
know
what
is
the
problem?
We're
trying
to
fix
with
some
of
the
solutions
that
have
been
proposed
and
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
some
more
information
from
the
city
manager
in
the
city
clerk
but,
most
importantly,
I
want
to
understand
what
the
cost
impacts
are
and
what
the
rules
are.
G
What
I
do
know
is
that
we're
probably
not
equipped
to
make
some
of
these
extremely
critical
and
and
forever
changing
decisions
at
the
drop
of
a
motion
on
the
council
floor.
So
there
is
some
truth
that
there
is
some
reason
to
go
further
on
some
of
the
ideas,
but
I
think
that
there
are
places
that
they
could
go
to
like
the
executive
committee,
like
any
member,
can
bring
forward
a
letter
to
the
executive
committee
and
propose
an
item
to
be
on
the
agenda.
G
M
M
G
M
C
M
You
didn't
share
these
with
your
committee
members
I'm
sharing
them
with
Council
I'm,
asking
if
you
shared
them
with
your
committee
members
councillor,
we
didn't
debate
these.
You
did
not
share
these
motions
at
the
committee,
so
this
would
be
new
even
to
your
committee.
Members
I
just
need
the
answer.
We
are
new
to
Council
because
there
are
they
new
should
council.
Yes,
are
they
new
to
your
committee
members?
Have
they
seen
these
before?
Did
you
table
these
motions
at
the
committee?
No,
no!
M
L
M
G
M
A
M
O
G
D
G
Only
agree
that
these
committees
do
their
work.
We
see
the
the
appointments
generally
successful
when
they
come
to
Council,
but
what
I
would
also
agree
is
that
I've
seen
some
very
bad
arguments
over
the
last
few
years
at
Council
over
a
last
minute
attempt
to
change
the
name
of
an
appointee,
especially
when
members
of
council
aren't
part
of
that
selection
process.
How.
G
G
D
Would
you
agree
that
someone
would
be
have
to
be
a
candidate
would
have
to
be
pretty
awful
or
there
would
have
to
be
new?
Quite
disturbing
new
information
come
out
for
a
majority
of
council
to
reject
someone
that
had
been
appointed
by
a
committee.
That
generally
reflects
the
prevailing
view
here
that
you
know
some.
It
would
be
in
highly
unusual
circumstances
that
you
would
actually
get
more
than
50%.
G
C
To
speak,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'll
go
through
the
motions
in
the
order
in
which
clerks
type
them
up
motion
a
is
the
is
the
the
motion
about
undertaking.
Are
they
going
to
appear
on
the
screen
I'm
using
my
time
and
there's
no
motion
their
motion?
A
is
the
motion
about
rank
ballots.
This
appears
different
differently
than
it
appeared
at
the
Committee
on
governance.
It
now
reflects
the
legislative
process
you're
not
deciding
today
on
rank
balloting.
C
C
This
is
from
the
the
gay
bidelman
report
from
the
Munk
school
look
at
municipalities.
Motion
C
is
an
interesting
one
that
came
out
of
that
report,
which
is
to
say
that
when
the
budget
chief
introduces
his
motion,
he
should
introduce
it
at
executive
with
the
mayor
and
executive
members
present
and
then
transmitted
to
budget,
and
we
would
do
the
the
reviews
take
the
deputations
and
the
public's
opinion
that
was
to
underscore
for
people
that
that
this
was
meeting
the
strategic
priorities
of
the
mayor
and
and
that
consultation.
C
The
previous
motion,
D
D,
is
an
annual
review.
This
is
a
rolling
annual
review.
We've
long
talked
about
this
I
believe
the
CFO
is
already
working
on
this,
that
we
have
a
rolling
annual
review
to
make
sure
that
our
outside
agencies,
our
local
agencies,
boards
corporations
and
commissions,
are
in
line
with
our
priorities.
Both
financial
and
strategic
going
forward
and
that
there
needs
to
be
a
rolling
review
so
that
at
least
some
of
them
each
year
being
looked
at
in
in
close
scrutiny
in
that
regard
and
E
if
I
could
get
e
on
the
screen.
C
I'm
using
my
time
here
can
I
have
motion
e
mic.
Clock
is
going
by
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
speak
to
these.
Thank
you.
This
is
about
overhauling
our
engagement
process,
but
I'm
not
proposing
how
I'm
saying
that,
for
once
we
should
resource.
We
should
know
what
the
price
tag
is
of
doing
a
good
job
of
that,
and
so
this
is
to
report
back
in
the
budget
process.
What
would
it
cost
to
really
do
the
type
of
engagement,
overhaul
and
analysis
that
staff
would
really
like
to
do?
C
And
finally,
f
is
the
campaign
finance
report
of
a
reform
piece,
as
in
my
questions,
I
established
with
Miss
Murray.
We
can't
do
this
legislatively,
but
we
do
need
to
create
the
business
case
for
it.
I
am
fond
of
the
New
York
Campaign
Finance
Authority
model.
It
is
a
grant,
as
opposed
to
a
rebate
program
and
the
reason
I'm
fond
of
it
is
meeting
with
that.
C
There
are
others
popping
up
the
voucher
system
in
Seattle,
etc,
but
the
one
I'm
proposing
is
one
on
which
there
are
mountains
of
data,
because
it
has
existed
now
for
a
couple
of
decades,
and
so
our
staff
could
bring
back
a
report
on
it
and
we
would
decide
then
not
until
then,
whether
or
not
we
want
to
request
that
of
the
province.
We
would
then
we
would
then
make
that
decision
in
this
chamber.
C
Madam
Speaker
I
made
a
commitment
to
community
members
and
to
my
own
conscience
that
if
we
are
going
to
have
this
new
type
of
council,
where
we
have
monster
jurisdictions
and
high
stakes
elections,
not
just
in
the
seat
of
the
mayor,
but
really
now
in
every
council
seat
that
in
this
awkward
legislative
regime,
it's
up
to
us
to
make
it
a
fair
and
accountable
system,
not
people
to
tell
us
what
is
fair
and
accountable.
We've
got
to
do
it.
C
We've
got
to
be
the
the
the
motivated
people
who
want
to
make
it
fair
and
I
really
do
I
know
this
I
know
that
I
have
nothing
to
fear
from
making
this
a
more
fair
and
transparent
and
more
more,
more
accountable
and
transparently
financed
election
season.
I
have
nothing
to
fear
if
I'm
doing
a
good
job.
If
I
am
everyday
day
in
and
day
out,
serving
constituents
as
hard
as
I
can
having
a
team
that
responds
to
their
every
their
every
inquiry,
then
I
have
nothing
to
fear
from
making
this
a
more
fair
election.
C
Nor
does
nor
does
any
other
cancer
was
currently
conversing
and
doing
whatever
it
is
they're
doing.
In
this
chamber,
right
now,
if
they're
doing
a
good
job
once
they
leave
this
chamber
and
go
back
to
their
offices,
there's
nothing
to
fear
in
making
a
transparent
election
in
New,
York
City,
with
all
due
respect
and
with
the
greatest
of
sympathy
to
both
councillor
Cara
Janice
and
to
the
clerk
and
to
any
other
time
where
there's
been
question
about
finances
in
this
city.
The
system
that
I'm
recommending
we
at
least
look
at
those
scenarios
wouldn't
happen.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker
I.
Don't
have
a
copy
of
any
of
the
motions
before
us,
but
I
just
wanted
to
verify
the
intention
of
I
guess
the
the
body
of
the
motions.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
your
your
counselor,
you
are
asking
staff
to
to
further
investigate
and
then
to
report
back.
None
of
this
is
about
immediate
implementation.
C
Starting
tomorrow
is
that
correct,
not
a
single
one
of
them,
because
there
were
a
couple
of
motions
that
in
their
original
form,
when
they
went
to
committee,
they
seemed
like
some
of
the
changes
that
councilor
holiday
is
suggesting
staff.
Look
at
I
had
ones
that
seemed
to
me
so
straightforward
I
said
we
direct
staff
to
do
this
from
now
on,
but
the
city
manager
is
already
looking
at
some
of
these
changes
out
of
it.
C
The
same
academic
report
I
was
looking
at
and
so
referring
them
to
the
city
manager
for
him
to
bring
back
a
report
about
them
makes
the
most
sense.
So
none
of
them
really
means
that
council
is
changing
the
universe
today.
All
of
them
mean
that
council
knows
they
need
to
look
at
these
things
and
is
directing
staff
to
do
so,
and
given
the
fact.
B
That
the
the
concept
of
rank
ballot
is
not
necessarily
new,
and
it's
certainly
not
the
first
time
before
this
chamber,
you're
simply
asking
staff
the
staff
to
now
drill
a
lot
deeper
go
into
the
mechanicals,
the
the
costs
and
then
to
come
back
with
with
a
report.
But
only
after
going
through
public
rotation.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
C
And,
and
for
me,
it's
it's
not
even
about
you
know
if
they
come
back
to
me
and
say
it
gets
X
number
of
different
types
of
candidates.
You
know
for
me
those
those
may
or
may
not
be
effects.
The
data
that
exists
right
now
that
they
might
go
looking
for
will
tell
you.
The
jury
is
always
going
to
be
out
on
that
all
sorts
of
factors
impact
the
level
of
ethnicity,
the
the
variants
of
gender
and
in
any
campaign.
C
My
main
reason
for
looking
at
it
is
standing
in
a
counselor
campaign
office
in
San,
Francisco
and
asking
the
counselor.
Do
you
like
this?
Yes,
do
you
love
it
absolutely?
Why?
Because
when
you
want
to
be
somewhere
on
that
ballot,
whether
it's
a
first
choice
or
a
second
choice
or
a
third
choice,
what
you
can't
do
door
after
door
after
door
is
lie
about
everyone
else
on
the
ballot.
If
you
want
to
be
some
choice,
you
can't
make
the
election
about
lying.
C
We
have
ballot
issues
in
the
mayor's
campaign,
but
at
the
council
level
it's
just
who
can
tell
the
most
outrageous
lie
and
and
who's
got
the
best
list.
We
ought
to
be
able
to
talk
about
the
issues
and
those
those
25
local
campaigns
as
well
and
in
a
ballot
a
ranked
ballot
scenario.
You
really
have
to
thank
you
very
much.
B
A
G
Thank
you,
my
speaker,
I'm
gonna
go
to
F
as
the
first
one
through
you
to
councillor.
Carol
I
wondered
if
it
was
the
councilors
intent
to
bring
this
matter
back
to
the
Special
Committee
on
governance
and
it's
a
narrowed
matter.
It's
a
discussion
about
the
New
York
City,
Finance,
Authority
model
and
I
wondered
if
it
had
was
more
appropriately
brought
to
a
different
committee.
Well,.
C
The
reason
that
I'm
suggesting
we
bring
it
there,
because
this
is
something
that
I
know
that
there
are
members
of
the
community,
have
long
wanted
us
to
look
at
I'm.
Not
the
only
one
that
that
that
thinks
it
would
be
a
good
fit
for
our
municipality
and
I
suspect.
There
will
be
a
lot
of
people
who
will
want
to
comment
on
it.
G
C
This
city
well,
the
committee
could
direct
the
staff
member
who
has
delivered
that
report
to
them
to
report
to
executive,
as
she
has
done
with
her
summary
of
findings
and
on
here
to
counsel
and
and
if
we
like
it,
we
could
ask
her
to
do
that.
If
we
hate
it,
we
could
bury
it
right.
Then,
in
there
we
will
have
that
option.
If
we
create
the
report
and.
G
Okay,
so
motion
to
a
talks
about
City
Council
initiating
the
process
to
pass
a
bylaw
for
ranked
ballot,
would
the
not
be
a
fairly
concrete
direction
to
staff
to
go
and
put
in
time
and
resources
to
do
all
the
work?
That's
involved,
knowing
from
what
we
have
heard
from
the
city,
deputy
city
clerk
was
that
it
was
at
least
two
years
worth
of
work
and
I
would
imagine
that's
a
fair
amount
of
resources.
That's
a
fairly
direct
request
to
get
moving
on
well,.
C
I
know
that
the
only
way,
the
only
way
that
we
can
ever
properly
look
at
it
is
to
kick
in
the
legislative
process,
which
requires
them
to
write
a
report
and
publicly
consult
and
had
we
not
received
for
the
last
oh
seven
years,
constant,
constant
requests
from
the
community.
Do
please
look
at
a
ranked
ballot
proposal
and
at
one
point,
even
endorsed
it
as
a
council
and
then
rescinded
our
endorsement,
and
the
community
continues
to
ask
for
it
in
pretty
large
numbers.
C
If
that
were
not
the
case,
I
would
say:
shall
we
kick
start
the
legislative
process,
but
if
the
shall
we
means
we
need
a
report
to
know
whether
or
not
we
want
to
that
is
the
legislative
process?
Have
the
report
have
the
consultation
and
you
make
no
decision
about
whether
or
not
to
adopt
the
bylaw
until
the
last
step,
so
I'm
saying
take
the
first
steps.
The
last
step
will
be
later
on.
Thank.
A
B
B
C
B
B
C
Actually,
in
actual
fact,
councilor
we
have
never
done
a
review
if
you're
saying
review
that
we've
never
done,
we
had
a
motion
that
we
would
like
it
to
be
part
of
the
MEA
and
council
endorsed
that
what
came
back
to
us
in
2016
was
a
motion
on
a
ballot
question
of
whether
or
not
we
should
have
ranked
validating
period
it
did.
It
wasn't
like
this,
a
motion
that
says
go
through
this
legislative
process
and
do
the
consultation
and
have
a
report
with
details
about
it.
C
Councillor,
D
Tiano
brought
a
late-night
motion
and
we
were
yes
or
knowing
it.
That's
not
a
review.
This
we've
never
done
and
I.
Think
legislators
in
Queens
Park
were
very
smart.
What
they're
saying?
Is
you
really
owe
it
to
yourself
to
do
all
these
steps
before
you
yay
or
nay?
These
steps
are
the
review
that
we
have
never
done.
Does
that
answer
your
question
counsel.
B
B
More
more
clarity,
so
I'm
reading
these
these
articles
about
rank
balloting,
so
I
wanted
to
ask
some
forum
questions.
I'll,
tell
you
something
it
is
complicated.
It
gives
me
a
headache.
In
my
ward,
we
have
tens
of
thousands
of
people
that
don't
speak
a
word
of
English
across
the
city.
There
must
be
hundreds
of
thousands.
They
barely
understand
that
we
have
to
pour
enormous
resources
into
the
into
the
current
Sapru.
It's
the
police,
into
the
into
the
current
system.
How
on
earth?
Based
on
what
I've
read?
B
C
Counselor
I
know
to
ranked
ballot
situations
where
there
are
very
diverse
communities,
San
Francisco,
not
quite
as
diverse
as
Toronto
but
Senate
but
but
diverse,
and
they
have
bailiwick
area
counselors
and
they
use
rank
balloting
and
people
are
quite
fond
of
it.
Many
people
who
speak
Hispanic,
languages,
first
languages
and
then
in
the
newly
diverse
community
that
has
come
with
the
tech
sector
and
they
they
managed
to
vote
somehow
in
high
turnout.
The
other
place
is
Vancouver,
the
second
most
diverse
place
in
Canada
and
in
Vancouver,
where
people
speak
all
sorts
of
languages.
C
N
P
If
we
simply
approve
the
motions
that
councilor
Holliday
has
put
forward
and
the
advice
that
came
from
committee,
we
will
be
infuriating
the
people
who
are
following
City
Council's
work
on
trying
to
Reese
cop
our
governance
after
Doug
Ford
shrank
the
size
of
this
council
I
went
to
the
meetings
I
had
meetings
with
my
own
residence
associations.
I
listened
to
the
experts
who
came
forward
and
not
a
one
of
them,
not
a
one
of
them
said
why?
P
Don't
you
take
her
with
your
procedures
by
law
and
provide
a
little
bit
of
support
at
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
the
Local
Planning
Appeal
Tribunal?
And
then
everything
is
good.
Nobody
said
that
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,
when
he
introduced
this
item,
the
chair
of
the
committee
thanked
all
of
the
experts
who
came
forward
and
gave
us
advice.
If
he
really
wants
to
thank
them.
He
will
encourage
all
of
you
to
support
my
motion
because
they
all
said
the
problem
is
much
deeper
than
just
tinkering
with
your
procedures
by
law.
P
We
have
a
real
problem
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
where
people
are
becoming
less
and
less
engaged
in
the
decisions
we
make
here.
You
all
know
it
and
feel
it.
You
all
know
representing
a
hundred,
and
ten
thousand
people
means
you
can't
get
to
all
the
community
meetings
you
used
to
get
to
and
things
that
really
matter
to
Ron.
Tony
ins
are
not
making
it
their
way
to
the
local
council.
P
The
reason
why
I'm
proposing
doing
this
second
more
detailed
piece
of
work
comes
directly
from
some
of
the
community
members
and
academic
experts
who
addressed
us
at
the
committee.
They
all
said.
The
initial
round
of
consultations
you
did
just
was
was
too
ill-defined
and
it
served
very
well
to
generate
a
list
of
issues
that
we
needed
to
work
on,
but
without
the
more
focused
consultation
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
people's
best
advice
on
what
to
do
about
those
issues.
P
One
of
them
literally
said
you
need
to
go
back
to
the
public
with
this
issues
list.
If
you
want
to
get
good
advice
from
the
community,
the
way
we've
done
it
to
date
was
inadequate.
That's
what
the
experts
that
councilor
holiday
thanked
at
the
beginning
of
yesterday
told
us
to
do.
That's
what
a
coalition
of
pretty
much
all
of
the
residents
associations
in
the
City
of
Toronto
have
told
us
to
do.
P
The
one
thing
that
makes
this
government
so
much
better
than
any
other
government
in
the
country
is
that
we
have
the
scope
and
scale
to
make
big
and
important
decisions,
we're
bigger
than
half
the
provinces
in
terms
of
our
population,
but
at
the
same
time
we
don't
operate
the
way
a
province
or
for
our
federal
government
does
where
everything
happens.
Behind
the
veil
of
cabinet
secrecy,
we
have
a
magical
magical
government
here.
P
Doug
Ford
did
some
serious
harm
to
it
by
turning
it
into
the
one
municipal
government,
with
the
highest
number
of
people
represented
by
each
elected
official
of
any
city
in
any
democratic
in
the
world,
he's
created
a
tremendous
challenge
and
if
we
tell
the
community
well,
you
know
if
we
change
the
procedures
by
law
around
civic
appointments
problem
solved.
We
are
insulting
every
single
person
we
represent.
G
P
I'm
glad
you
asked
it
was
actually
in
the
staff
report
there's
a
whole
section.
This
is
the
report
that
we
reviewed
at
the
committee
that
you
chair.
There
was
a
whole
section
on
how
members
of
the
public
wanted
to
better
think
about
what
the
role
of
the
counselor
was.
Visa
vie
dealing
with
the
public
visa
vie
our
roles
on
various
committees,
boards
and
agencies,
whether
there
could
be
things
like
community
boards
that
provided
advice
to
us,
there's
a
whole
pile
of
work
there.
P
G
P
He's
asking
questions
that
would
lead
me
to
believe
that
he
hasn't
I
am
not
advocating
a
specific
outcome
here.
What
I
explained
at
the
committee
when
you
asked
me
questions
what
I
explained
in
my
speech
at
the
committee?
What
I
explained
in
my
speech
here
is
that
members
of
the
public
are
saying
to
us.
They
want
to
have
a
conversation
about
how
this
works.
P
G
P
P
Academic
experts
who
came
and
made
representations
to
the
committee
at
our
second
last
meeting
said
unless
you
narrow
the
question
you
will
not
get
good
advice
from
the
public.
This
narrows
the
question
and
says:
go:
ask
the
public
what
they
think
I'm
not
like
you
I,
don't
want
to
conclude
ahead
of
time.
What
we
should
do.
The
whole
point
of
this
is
to
ask
the
people
we
represent
what
kind
of
government
they
want.
Thank.
P
Yes,
let
me
explain
how
the
report
we
had
before
us,
which
has
been
transmitted
here
with
this
item,
summarized
the
themes
that
we
heard
in
the
public
consultation
meetings
in
the
online
consultation,
all
the
other
things.
So
these
categories
are
the
categories
that
city
staff
said
they
heard
from
the
public
and
which
might
merit
further
investigation.
P
P
So
there
were
a
couple
of
different
sets
of
motions
that
came
mine
reflected
the
stuff
that
was
in
the
staff
report
council
councillor
Carol
moved
some
motions
on
electoral
reform
and
if
you
think
that
we
should
be
doing
more
work
on
electoral
reform,
it
would
be
more
proper
to
try
to
amend
her
motion
than
mine.
Thanks.
B
I
You
speaker
I,
regret
to
say
that
I
believe
that
the
committee
did
not
fulfill
its
work
and
did
not
fulfill
its
mandate
and
I
regret
to
say
that,
because
I
no
way
want
to
disparage
members
of
the
committee,
who
are
colleagues
and
friends.
But
we
are
the
largest
city
in
this
country,
the
fifth
largest
government
in
this
country,
the
economic
engine
of
this
province
and
country,
and
we
now
have
25
councillors,
and
there
is
the
expectation
that
all
25
of
us
can
do
the
same
thing
we
did
before
as
local
representatives
and
its
regional
legislators.
I
The
fundamental
question
that
this
committee
had
to
answer
and
come
back
to
us
with
options
to
consider
is
what
is
the
role
of
a
councillor
under
this
model
and
how
do
we
best
govern
in
the
interest
of
our
residents?
They
didn't
do
it.
So
why
are
we
sitting
here
at
4:10
in
the
afternoon
debating
dozens
of
motions
that
have
been
moved
on
the
fly
with
the
so
called
island
option
to
punt
all
this
work
to
the
executive
committee?
That
is
not.
I
That
is
not
how
we
govern
in
the
city
or
how
we
should
and
that
it
is
an
abysmal
response
to
what
the
province
did
to
us,
and
so
the
governance
of
the
city
is
a
big
issue
that
requires
deep
thought
for
the
future
of
this
city.
It
merits
a
deep
dive
into
it.
This
has
been
done
many
times
in
the
past
pre
and
post
mega
city.
It
should
also
be
a
unity
moment
where
we
come
together
as
counselors
across
the
political
spectrum
and
across
geography.
J
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
would
just
well
I
give
my
thanks
to
the
committee
to
the
councillors
who
sat
on
it,
the
staff
who
who
supported
them
and,
in
particular,
the
residents
who
who
came
out
time
and
time
again
to
these
consultations.
I
think
that
this
is
a
missed
opportunity.
We
with
this
this
imposed
change
to
City
Council.
We
undertook
this
this
committee
process
in
this
review
of
our
governance
as
the
opportunity
for
a
new
beginning,
I,
don't
know
about
you,
but
perhaps
the
the
the
newer
councillors
wouldn't
won't
feel
the
same
way.
J
But
but
if
you
had
served
the
previous
term
and
now
serving
in
this
term,
you
you
could
see,
and
you
can
feel
the
job
has
changed.
Yes,
it's
more
busy.
There
are
more
nights
away
from
home.
I
picked
up
some
geography
with
the
tallest
buildings
in
the
country
and
managing
through
that
development
process
is
very
different
than
it
was
managing
through
more
more
mid-rise
context,
but
it's
different
for
the
communities
that
that
we
engage
with
we.
They
don't
have
the
same
level
of
contact
that
they
once
did
with
us
individually.
I.
J
Think
that's
like
that's
the
saddest
part
of
these
changes
and
the
changes
to
the
structure
of
Council
have
had
to
me
in
my
enjoyment
of
of
this
job
is
the
the
ability
and
the
time
that
I
was
afforded
to
work
with
individuals
to
work
with
community
associations
on
solving
problems,
finding
local
solutions
to
these
problems
and,
unfortunately,
well
we
have
staff
members
that
can
take
on
some
of
that
responsibility.
It
just
doesn't
feel
the
same.
J
So
why
should
we
expect
the
system
to
work
the
same,
and
that's
that's
why
I
thought
we
undertook
this
process
with
the
best
of
intentions
to
actually
go
about,
giving
this
an
opportunity
to
to
effect
real
change
and
I
heard
from
my
residents
and
and
through
some
of
the
deliberations
that
the
committee
of
some
of
that
real
change
that
people
were
hungry
for
and
change
is
hard.
You
all
know
that
you've
you've
dealt
with
speed
bumps
on
streets
and
development
files.
J
Change
is
hard
for
our
communities,
maybe
even
harder
for
those
that
try
to
lead
them,
but
it
doesn't
mean
it's
a
bad
thing
and
I
think
what
we
saw
is.
We
saw
the
committee.
Go
full
circle
here
about
many
things
that
what
many
possibilities,
but
not
landing
on
giving
any
instructions
for
how
to
move
forward
on
any
of
them
and
I.
Look
at
the
stack
like
I
know
that
it's
improper
to
bring
them
through
this
forum
as
a
bunch
of
different
amendments,
but
I
would
have
preferred.
J
I
would
have
preferred
to
see
it
as
part
of
a
committee
report,
because
many
of
these,
even
from
the
chair
I,
could
agree
with
many
of
them.
I
find
very
innovative
and
stuff.
That
I
think
we
should
continue
consulting
on
I'm
going
to
just
list
a
couple,
because
I
think
they
have
real
merit
and
I
hope
you
might
consider
supporting
the
the
continued
work
of
this
committee
and
staff
along
these
ends.
J
Another
one
is
is:
is
participatory
budgeting,
one
that
councillor
Carroll
again
has
been
a
champion
of
for
many
years,
and
while
that
process
might
not
work
in
in
all
communities,
it
hasn't
been
tried
in
many,
and
the
actual
scale-up
of
that
idea
has
yet
to
be
attempted
in
Toronto.
It's
not
for
lack
of
councillor
Carol's
hard
work
and
continued
efforts
to
that
end.
J
Councillor
perks
has
brought
forward
a
list
of
recommendations
that
involve
actually
funding
things
like
an
office
of
neighborhoods
to
continue
to
push
for
permanent
resident
voting
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
These
are
all
incredibly
valuable
things
and
we
shouldn't
we
shouldn't
give
up
the
opportunity
to
continue
to
look
for
these
operative,
how
we
operate
to
restore
some
of
that
connection,
that
our
residents
have
with
the
decision
making
that
happens
in
this
chamber.
Thank
you.
D
You
so
this
could
have
been
a
great
opportunity
to
open
up
decision
making
to
involve
our
communities
to
a
greater
extent
and
I.
Think
it's
largely
been
an
opportunity
lost
and
democracy
can
be
a
messy
thing
and
sometimes
you
know
tedious
to
sit
through
it.
Sometimes
you
know
not
fun
to
watch
it,
but
it's
Adam.
D
You
know
it's
important
to
involve
people
and
to
go
through
the
process
and
what
I've
seen
here
steadily
over
the
years
is
kind
of
efforts
to
sanitize
that
process
to
abbreviate
it
to
to
centralize
it,
and
we
should
have
been
doing
the
opposite
here.
So
there
are
due
to
the
lack
of
time
I'm
just
going
to
pick
two
issues
where
I
think
there's
been
a
you
know,
one
opportunity
lost
certainly
with
rank
ballots,
and
we
had
thanks
to
a
motion
from
the
floor.
D
Oh
we've
got
a
chance,
there's
no
incumbent
here
and
the
the
don't
make
me
laugh
counts
up
in
Iran
the
I'm
sure
there
are
many
people
who
have
done
this
and
all
kinds
of
people
would
put
their
names
on
the
ballot
and
then
the
incumbent
would
jump
jump
in
literally
at
the
last
moment
and
then
could
get
in
with
a
smaller
percentage
of
the
vote.
And
if
you
can't,
if
you
don't,
have
solid
support
from
more
than
50%
of
the
electorate
through
a
reg
ballot
system,
you
really
have
no
business
being
here.
D
So
you
know
it's
a
it's!
A
pretty
modest
reform
and
it's
something
we
should
be
really
seriously
considering
so
the
other
one
that
I'll
just
talk
about
is
what
kept
the
motion.
Councilor
holiday
made
about
appointments
and
I
do
think
it's
ironic
and
not
at
all
favorable
to
have
the
chair
of
a
committee.
D
That's
supposed
to
be
looking
at
opening
up
the
process
come
in
with
a
bunch
of
motions
that
haven't
been
to
the
committee
and
I,
don't
like
to
disparage
councilor
holiday,
who
I
work
with
on
another
committee
and
I
consider
him
to
be
an
outstanding
chair.
But
you
know
that
just
shouldn't
have
happened
here.
Those
motions
should
have
gone
to
the
committee.
People
should
have
been
allowed
to
speak
to
them
and
consider
them,
and
they
should
have
been
pulled
apart
and
maybe
asked
for
staff
reports
on
them
to
go
back
there.
D
So
I
won't
be
voting
for
any
of
those,
but
the
one
that
really
bothers
me
is
the
the
appointments,
one
that
that
people
would
be
appointed
basically
with
a
1/3
vote
here.
It
would
take
two-thirds
for
them
not
to
be
appointed
if
they
were
selected
by
a
panel
that
you
know
in
the
that
panel.
We
all
know
how
that
is
created.
It's
people
who
all
think
a
certain
way,
and
you
know
it's.
It's
sort
of
fair.
D
That
I
think
the
the
four
mayor's
we've
had
sensible
nation
have
all
do
greater
or
lesser
extents
wanted
to
populate
the
committee's
with
people
who
generally
have
their
agenda
water
advance.
Their
agenda
baby
share
their
view
of
the
world.
That's
fair
enough
to
some
extent,
then
you
had
the
one
extreme
excess
with
councillor
Ford
and
to
the
point
where
we
had
a
report
on
that
process
and
how
rigged
it
was.
We
had
entire
previous
bodies
all
had
their
heads
chopped
off.
D
None
of
them
were
even
considered
for
a
appointment
and-
and
it
was
an
extreme
case
of
cronyism
and
partisan
appointments,
and
you
know
we
need
to
be
able
to
correct
that
kind
of
behavior,
and
it
is
very
hard
to
get
more
than
50%
in
here
to
turn
down
an
appointment.
But
we
certainly
need
that
opportunity
in
cases
like
what
we
frankly
had
during
the
Ford
years
and
I
think
we
all
know
that
existed
so
I
won't
be
voting
for
for
that
one
and
I
I'm,
hoping
others
will
think.
Similarly,.
R
C
R
Mike
on
in
front
of
me
to
replace
Special
Committee
on
governance
with
executive
I
do
feel
that
that
is
this
motion.
I'm
not
talking
about
the
merits
of
this
motion
at
all,
but
I
think
the
proper
direction
for
that
to
go
is
to
executive
and
I'll.
Explain
my
rationale.
First
of
all,
I
do
want
to
thank
the
committee
members.
I
do
want
to
thank
staff.
I
want
to
thank
dozens,
if
not
hundreds
of
people
who
came
out
over
the
last
year.
R
I
was
one
of
the
members
of
the
committee,
along
with
the
other
ones
and
I
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
I
wasn't
asked
to
do.
This.
I
actually
was
asked,
but
I
actually
went
to
the
mayor
and
said
I
want
to
be
on
this
committee.
I
recognized
how
important
governance
is
to
this
institution
and
to
really
any
institution.
So
when
I
knew
after
the
changes
that
happened
from
the
provincial
government
and
the
amalgamation
I
felt,
it
was
critically
important
that
I
be
involved
in
whatever
format.
I
could
myself
so?
R
I've
heard
you
know,
democracy
is
in
jeopardy
and
and
we're
at
peril
in
some
respects
that
if
we
do
not
continue
this
work
that
we're
going
to
be
falling
apart
on
the
governance
side,
I
don't
believe
that
at
all
we
went
through
a
drastic
change
a
year
ago
and
I
think
we've
come
through
that
there's
been
some
bumps
and
bruises,
but
I
think
we've
more
or
less
come
through.
That
and
I
could
talk
about
what
it's
like
in.
R
I,
don't
feel
that
we
do
and
when
you
look
at
and
I
got
the
people
and
and
everyone
who
came
out
I
again
from
all
across
the
city
I
was
there
I
listened
intently
to
them,
but
when
you're,
looking
at
my
word,
that
I
represent
the
vast
vast
vast
majority
of
people
in
my
ward
didn't
participate,
not
because
they
necessarily
didn't
want
to,
but
it
could
also
be
that
they
may
felt
that
you
know
the
role
that
we're
doing.
The
changes
that
were
made
were
adequate.
R
So
when
I
look
at
them,
I
go,
they
didn't
necessarily
participate,
but
that's
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
because
that's
my
job,
that's
my
role.
I
represent
them.
I
should
be
putting
my
voice
for
it,
as
I
did.
As
a
member
of
the
committee
with
regard
to
councillor
Carol's
motion
I
will
be
supporting
other
than
the
rank
valid
and
one
which
I
am
NOT
in
supportive
of
at
all.
I
will
be
supporting
her
in
many
ways
we
set.
R
Then
we
worked
them
up
because
the
format
of
those
motions
was
really
to
be
reported
out
through
executive.
She
agreed
to
that
she
made
the
changes
I'm
comfortable,
that
again
it
wasn't
necessarily
the
what
she
was
wanting
to
do,
but
I
thought
the
best
direction
was
to
go
to
executive.
We
actually
talked
to
the
city
manager,
who
agreed-
and
we
worked
on
that.
R
Maybe
I
didn't
pick
up
on
the
last
motion
here
to
go
to
executive,
and
maybe
that
may
have
been
my
fault
when
she
looked
at
it,
but
I
just
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
the
merits.
In
fact,
I
went
to
New
York,
with
with
the
councillor
and
you'll,
probably
be
seeing
that
on
TV
in
February.
So
I'm
not
talking
about
the
merits,
in
fact,
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
TV
show
that's
coming
out
anyway.
We
won't
get
into
that,
but
it's
not
the
merits.
It
I
think
it
needs
to
go
to
executive.
R
So
I
want
to
commend
her
for
doing
that.
Other
than
that.
You
know,
as
I
said,
I
very
much
support
the
committee
and
what
they've
done,
but
I
do
feel
that
the
mandate
now
has
come
to
the
point
where
it
needs
to
move
on
from
the
existing
existing
Governance
Committee
that
we've
done
Thank
You
councillor.
P
P
The
question
I
have
I
have
to
first,
given
that
it
is
frequently
the
case
that
deputation
times
have
to
be
shortened
at
executive
because
of
the
number
of
people
who
arrive,
and
it
is
also
the
case
that
we
never
once
had
to
shorten
deputation
times
at
the
Special
Committee
on
governance.
Don't
you
think
that
sending
it
there
will
reduce
the
amount
of
time
that
people
have
to
share
their
thoughts
with
us.
R
Yeah
I'm
an
executive,
counselor
and
you're
there
a
lot
too,
and
yes
that
does
happen
but
again
I'm,
focusing
on
on
the
merits
of
what
the
counselor
has
asked
here
and
as
I
said,
this
is
something
that
I
do
feel
needs
to
go
to
executive,
not
the
special
government,
the
Committee
on
governance.
We
have
you
know
other
than
this
one,
particularly.
R
I
respect
that
other
than
you
know
this
special
governess
motion.
The
committee
has
met
it's
mended
now
we're
gonna
I,
know
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
on
that
aspect
of
that,
but
I
feel
it's
medicine
man
date
and
to
continue
the
Special
Committee
on
governance.
For
this
one
particular
item,
I,
don't
feel
as
wore
until
I
feel
that
this
will
get
the
kind
of
response
and
report
at
executive.
R
Counselor,
what
I
would
what
I
would
suggest
or
what
I
will
will
probably
do
being
a
member
of
executive
when
this
report
does
come
out?
I'll
speak
with
my
colleagues
to
see
if
we
can
have.
This
item
is
number
one
so,
but
number
one
people
won't
have
to
be
waiting
around
to
four
o'clock
and
you're
gonna
have
to
wait
and
see
what
what
executive
committee
it
comes
to
cuz.
There
are
some
that
we
do
the
five
minutes.
There
are
some
that
we
we
give
everybody
that
opportunity.
R
R
C
G
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
just
wanted
to
explore
further
the
reason
of
choosing
the
committee
of
executive
over
the
special
committee.
Do
you
think
that
folks
would
be
frustrated
if
they
realize
that
the
decision
regarding
campaign
finance
and
couldn't
be
made
by
the
special
committee
on
the
governance
so
to
come
before
elected
officials
and
petition
for
a
a
certain
choice?
It's
not
fruitful.
It
should
go
before
the
the
committee
with
the
proper
mandate.
G
R
G
Are
you
confident
that
that
being
an
executive
wouldn't
prohibit
anybody
from
making
their
views
known,
whether
they
come
in
person
or
whether
they
write
a
letter
or
have
a
group
go
on
their
behalf?
Surely
everyone
else
that
goes
to
executive
committee
is
being
able
to
present
to
two
members
of
the
executive
with
their
concerns.
Well,.
R
A
M
Fletcher
Thank
You
speaker
I,
have
a
couple
of
motions.
One
is
that
the
City
Council
requests
the
city
clerk
to
look
at
all
methods
of
ranked
ballot
election.
Assuming
we
passed
councillor,
Carroll's
motion
and
then
I
have
a
second
one
which
is
amending
councillor
Carol
to
look
at
all
the
ballots.
I'd
ask
the
clerk
about
that,
so
we
can
actually
see
how
they
worked
and
as
well
to
have
the
a
and
B
brought
in
subsequent
to
I.
M
Don't
see.
Oh
I
see
I'm
just
a
many,
a
and
C
subsequent
to
a
and
B
that
we
would
look
at
the
bylaw.
So
really
at
this
point.
Looking
I
think
that
we're
at
that
moment
where
we
have
to
look
at
this
and
asking
the
clerk
to
do.
That
would
be
very
good.
I,
don't
think
today
that
we're
moving
or
working
to
moving
or
deciding
or
implementing
a
rank
ballot
system.
It's
a
very
big
move.
M
I
know
some
people
would
like
us
to
do
that
today,
but
I
think
we
are
making
a
massive
change
to
our
voting
system
and
would
have
to
be
extremely
careful
with
very
good
advice
and
look
at
the
implications
for
those
cities,
including
London,
which
just
did
that
to
see
what
kind
of
a
difference
that
made
and
what
was
easy
and
what
was
hard.
What
happens
to
second
language
speakers,
there's
many
different
things
that
people
would
like
to
discuss.
M
So
what
I
would
vote
today
is
to
basically
follow
study
process,
in
which
we
would
make
a
decision
based
on
expert
advice
from
around
the
world,
an
expert
advice
from
our
clerk
financial
advice,
everything
else
and
I.
Think
if
we
don't
do
that,
we're
going
to
miss
the
mark,
because
we've
been
asked
so
many
trying
to
do
it,
but
I
understand
that
this
is
asking
us
to
consider
a
major
change
to
how
voting
would
take
place
and
we
have
to
balance
a
whole
number
of
interests
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
M
M
Advise
us
of
that
and
my
questions
that,
yes,
that
is
our
position
regarding
electors.
We
are
at
the
Supreme
Court,
so
everything
that
we
do
has
to
take
that
into
account,
including
the
fact
that
we
might
find
ourselves
back
in
a
situation
of
an
increased
City
Council,
depending
upon
what
the
Supreme
Court
says
and
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
all
scenarios
are
being
looked
at
while
we're
looking
at
changes
in
governance.
The
connection
to
electors
is
pretty
important
and
fundamental.
M
So
I
think
that
continuing
this
work
to
see
how
best
to
have
that
connection
at
a
point
where
we
don't
have
the
time
actual
you
know
just
talk
about
our
protection
of
affordable
housing
subcommittee,
which
we
actually
held
in
the
evening.
So
people
could
come.
We
did
change
the
time
to
three
minutes,
councillor
perks
because
we
had
40
some
deficits,
but
people
were
hungry
to
be
able
to
come
to
see
us
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
of
these
motions
were
to
at
least
have
some
of
our
community
councils
at
night.
There's.
M
No
reason
why
they're
always
in
the
dates,
because
many
people
can't
get
there-
maybe
more
community
councils
if
we're
trying
to
engage
more
more
often
and
in
a
deeper
way.
So
people
understand
how
our
city's
working
and
what
we're
doing
I
just
want
to
take
my
last
seconds
to
talk
about
member
motions.
There
were
changes
not
made
by
the
Ford
government
in
2018.
We
had
changes
made
in
2010
changes
that
meant
that
you
couldn't
move
a
motion
at
committee.
M
Maybe
some
of
you
don't
know,
but
in
the
past
I
think
at
every
single
City
Council
in
every
legacy
city,
you
could
go
to
a
committee
and
you
could
move
a
motion
if
you
weren't
on
that
committee,
that
was
stopped.
That
was
stopped.
You
could
ask
questions
of
motions
that
were
moved
out
of
committee.
That
was
stopped.
You
have
to
be
a
member
of
a
committee
in
order
to
question
somebody
on
the
motion
that
they've
introduced
I
would
say
those
are
governance.
M
H
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm
I'm
I
want
to
thank
everybody.
That's
brought
to
forward
motions
about
electoral
reform
today
and
I
will
be
gladly
supporting
those
on
ranked
ballots
and
I
just
want
to
read
something:
I
read
last
night,
which
really
explains
why
it's
a
quote
by
Edward
Louie
among
those
who
have
everything
politics
changes
almost
nothing
what's
strange.
Is
that
they're
the
ones
who
engage
in
politics,
though
it
has
almost
no
effect
on
their
lives
for
the
ruling
class
in
general?
H
H
Looking
at
electoral
finance,
potentially
here
today,
as
well,
I'm,
most
likely
most
at
risk
through
the
ranked
ballot
system
in
the
next
election
in
2014,
I
lost
by
2.3
percent
to
an
incumbent
and
sorry
in
2014,
I
lost
by
2.3
percent
tuna
combin
and
in
2018
I
won
by
just
point.
5
percent
to
an
incoming
incumbency
is
a
huge
challenge
to
overcome,
and
now
our
wards
have
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
people
there's
no
party
system.
H
We
need
to
be
able
to
give
the
political
science
students
that
were
here
this
week,
the
hope
that
one
day
they
could
sit
at
this
table.
We
need
to
be
able
to
give
the
high
school
students
whose
commencements
we
attend.
The
hope
that
they
can
one
day
sit
at
this
table
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
give
my
twelve-year-old
self
back
in
an
apartment
building
in
a
rental
apartment
building
that
doesn't
come
from
money.
The
ability
to
know
that
she
can
be
here
one
day
too.
H
So
if
we
don't
do
electoral
reform,
we're
not
going
to
be
providing
the
opportunity
for
those
people
that
most
need
to
be
seated
at
this
table.
We're
not
going
to
give
them
the
hope
that
they
can
be
here
too.
So
that's
why
I'm
I'm
really
happy
that
we're.
We
have
these
motions
on
electoral
reform
and
I
look
forward
to
supporting
them.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
N
L
I
just
wanted
to
on
behalf
of
councilor
roots
of
myself,
and
maybe
others
I
just
wanted
to
put
something
on
the
record
and
I.
Don't
counsel,
McKelvey,
I,
really
respect
her
and
and
she's
got
an
amazing
public
service
disposition.
That's
beyond
you
know:
surgery,
scrutiny,
she's,
just
excellent,
but
I.
Just
she
just
got
attention
about
the
people
that
serve
here.
I
want
to
just
remind
people.
Some
of
us
did
not
come
from
well-to-do
families.
Okay,
I
came
as
an
immigrant
I
was
five
years
old.
L
I
came
on
a
ship
after
the
war
with
my
mother
and
my
sister,
my
father
came
before
worked
as
an
agricultural
worker.
So
and
then
you
know
my
father
worked
in
a
steel
mill.
My
mother
worked
as
a
seamstress
on
Spadina
I
worked
since
I
was
nine
years
old,
I
shined
shoes,
I
sold
newspapers
on
King
and
Bay
Street,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
in
the
record
to
that
some
of
us
may
have
come
from
well-to-do
families,
I,
don't
know
who
really
has
but
I
know
for
councilperson
myself.
L
N
Thank
you
speaker.
Thank
you
so
much
khan
circle.
I
think
he
made
that
point.
I
just
want
to
add
another
point
and
to
put
it
on
the
table,
I'm
a
supporter
of
proportional
representation,
I'm
a
devote
supporter
of
proportional
representation,
because
I
think
in
a
democratic
system.
You
know
that
the
that
the
democratic
institution
should
should
represent
the
population
I.
N
N
People
don't
get
it,
they
don't
know
how
to
vote
here.
They
don't.
So
what
do
we
have
to
do?
Every
election
we
reproduce
the
ballot
and
I'll
show
it
to
you.
If
you
all
want
to
see
it
election
after
election,
reproduce
the
ballot,
a
sample
ballot
and
then
go
around
and
saying.
Well,
you
can
vote
for
three.
You
can
link
up
three
votes,
mayor,
Councillor,
trustee,
depending
on
what
what
the
ballot
looks
like
and
it's
complicated,
and
then
people
say
what
I
can
vote
for
you
three
times
now.
You
can't
vote
for
me
three
times.
N
No,
you
gotta
believe
our
mayor,
one
councilor,
one
trustee.
You
know
your
choices
and
it's
really
really
complicated
and
you
don't
get
to
very
many
people
to
explain
it
to
them
and
that's
why
a
lot
of
folks
are
really
intimidated
and
that's
why
the
old
Ward
8
that
I
used
to
represent
used
to
have
such
a
very,
very
low
voter
turnout.
N
N
Make
it
make
the
ballot
a
little
longer
add
some
more
choices
on
there.
One
two,
three
four.
You
know
you
choose
pick
and
choose.
That's
not
the
way
people
pick
ice
cream.
That's
the
way
they
choose
politicians
a
little
like
they
pick
ice
cream.
You
know
I,
like
I
like
give
me
the
chocolate
flavor
pick
chocolate
flavor,
it's
not
Oh.
Tell
me
your
your
all.
Your
choices
ranked
be
your
choices.
Give
me
chocolate,
vanilla,
lemon
banana,
whatever
right,
but
which
one
should
move
in
up.
On
top
of
that,
you
do
that.
N
N
You
know,
I
wanted
to
quote
I,
think
I
pulled
up,
Winston
Churchill.
You
know
because
I
wanted
to
be
inspired
earlier
and
I
and
I
lost
him
now
right
because
I
read
it
to
myself
and
then
I
and
then
I
didn't
it
would
you
know
what
he
just
came
back
up?
Look
at
that
right.
It's
like
Winston,
Churchill
many
forms
of
government
have
been
tried
and
will
be
tried
in
this
world
and
sin
and
wool,
no
one
pretends
that
democracy
is
perfect
or
all-wise.
N
N
O
I
have
long
felt
there
is
need
to
really
drill
into
the
process
and
helping
people
to
understand
what
our
relevance
to
them
are
and
how
we
really
significantly
help
them
on
a
daily
basis.
There
are
many
people
who
are
challenged
in
this
city.
We
talk
about
gun
crime.
We
talk
about
poverty.
Will
this
new
mechanism
that
we're
talking
about?
Will
that
alleviate
poverty?
Will
that
help
to
make
many
of
the
lives
of
the
people
that
we
want
to
make
better
than
the
system
that
we
have
now
I
haven't
arrived
at
that
conclusion.
O
That
suggests,
yes
in
fact,
I'm
having
a
hard
time
understanding
how
the
people,
who
are
the
majority-
that
is,
that
diverse
city,
that
we
laud
all
the
time
and
talk
about
how
wonderful
it
is
and
how
we
benefit
from
it
is
those
very
people
are
not
going
to
benefit
from
the
changes
that
you're
proposing
here
today.
I'm,
not
convinced
I,
don't
know
what
the
absolute
full
solis
solution
is.
Is
it
that
we
allocate
certain
number
of
seats
for
a
variety
of
different
people
who
look
a
different
way
to
reflect
the
interest?
O
The
input
in
this
particular
City
I?
Don't
know,
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
so
per
proportional
representation.
Is
this
the
panacea?
Is
this
going
to
be
the
elixir
of
success
and
create
this
opportunity
where
input
will
be
brought
to
this
chamber?
I,
don't
see
that
here,
I
like
councillor
Cole
and
fruits
and
Speaker
Nancy,
ADA
and
others
in
this
chamber
have
come
from
varying
places
around
the
world.
O
I
came
from
Jamaica
as
a
leaven
12
year
old
kid
with
a
mother,
a
single
mother
I'm,
here
this
chamber
I
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
in
as
a
young
boy.
Understanding
I
have
interest
in
politics
done
a
lot
of
interesting
things.
I
didn't
get
a
lot
of
help
nor
to
get
here,
but
that's
not
really
the
point.
We
need
to
help
more
people
in
order
to
get
here.
That's
not
what
we're
really
talking
about
what
we're
talking
about.
O
Supposedly,
if
you
don't
like
number
one,
you
vote
that
person
third
or
two
or
if
you
like
one
better,
you
have
these
choices
in
terms
of
selection.
It's
not
gonna
make
us
any
better.
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
what's
gonna
make
us
better,
quite
frankly,
is
to
really
get
out
there
and
engage
more
people
in
terms
of
understanding
what
they
can
do
to
make
their
communities
better,
how
they
can
really
be
involved,
and
maybe
what
we
really
should
be
doing
is
allocating
specific
number
of
seats
to
reflect
the
diversity
in
this
city.
O
Maybe
that's
the
conversation
we
were
talking
about,
but
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about,
because
you
bring
in
proportion
of
proportional
representation.
It
will
still
reflect
the
city
as
it
is
today.
It's
not
going
to
change,
there's
other
things
that
we're
gonna
have
to
do
in
order
to
make
those
changes.
We're
not
having
those
conversations
here
today,
because
we've
had
a
few
people
over
the
years
who
come
in
and
said,
we
think
proportional
representation
will
better
reflect
the
diversity
in
this
city.
I
haven't
seen
any
of
it.
O
Sort
of
that
we're
not
asking
for
any
real
study
with
respect
to
that.
What
we're
talking
about
is
simply
that
oh
you're,
an
incumbent,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
have
an
unfair
advantage,
I'm.
Okay
with
that
right.
But
what
mechanism
can
we
utilize?
Is
this
the
proportional
representation
is
that
going
to
affect?
That?
Is
that
going
to
bring
more
people
that
look
like
me
or
the
other
brown
faces
that
others
live
in
this
city?
O
S
Thank
You
speaker
first
of
all,
may
I
say
thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
committee
for
the
work
that
they
have
done
and
I
think.
If
we
go
back
and
remind
ourselves
of
the
principle
purpose
that
we
established
the
committee
to
perform,
it
was
to
take
some
changes
that
we've
been
forced
to
make
and
then
we
some
some
of
which
we
then
made
ourselves.
So
we
were
forced
to
make
the
ones
with
regard
to
the
size
of
the
council.
S
I
think
that
the
best
way
to
go
forward
with
a
number
of
the
ideas
that
councillor
a
deputy
mayor,
Holliday
himself
puts
in
his
motion,
which
I
will
support,
is
in
the
way
that
he
suggests,
which
is
to
have
it,
follow
the
path
that
is
followed
by
many
other
initiatives
of
this
kind
and
of
equal
or
greater
importance.
But
these
are
important
and
to
have
those
flow
through
what
I
see
to
be
a
very
open
process.
S
I
just
wanted
to
register
that
I
will
be
supporting
the
ranked
ballot
series
of
motions,
I've
supported
them
before
I
support
them
for
two
reasons,
and
we're
not
here
to
debate
the
merits
today.
We're
here
to
people
approve
these
a
commence,
a
process
that
is
a
lengthy
and
complicated
process
in
many
respects.
So
it
needs
time,
but
I
believe,
in
short
form
that
the
reason
that
this
should
be
proceeded
with
and
have
these
this
work
done
is
first
because
I
think
not
was
tending
I
understand
what
deputy
mayor,
Councillor
Thompson
was
saying.
S
You
know,
which
is
that
it
doesn't
guarantee
that
you're
gonna
get
a
more
diverse
result
in
a
more
representative
result
for
this
council,
but
I
think
it
gives
us
a
fighting
chance.
More
of
a
fighting
chance
than
the
present
system
seems
to
be
doing,
as
evidenced
by
all
of
us
and
I
have
to
include
myself
that
are
here
today,
but
the
second
thing
I
think
it
will
do
in
councilor,
Carroll
I
heard
referring
to
this
I
think
it
will
and
I
really
really
really
hope.
S
It
doesn't
matter
how
long
I'm
gonna
be
around
in
this
business,
that
it
will
change
the
tone
and,
to
some
extent,
the
substance
of
politics,
because
I
think
they
are
drifting
even
in
this
country
in
a
very,
very
negative
direction
and
I
think
a
ranked
ballot
as
councillor
Carroll
put
it
so
well,
we'll
put
a
discipline
on
to
people
to
stick
to
the
issues
as
they
would
say
and
have
good
healthy
debates,
but
they
will
not
be
as
personal
as
things
seem
to
be
today.
So
I
will
be
supporting
that
suite
of
motions.
S
S
We
didn't
see
more
hear
from
you
with
respect
to
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
in
with
respect
to
participatory
budget,
because
I'm
actually
a
believer
that
we
haven't
done
enough
there,
but
I
think
having
it
go
to
the
executive
committee
first
and
then
back
to
the
Budget
Committee
to
me
is
not
something
that
would
be
a
positive
development
with
regard
to
that.
So
that's
to
see
I
would
vote
against
tui
I
and
it's
really
similar
to
the
reason
why
I
will
also
vote
against
a
councillor
perks.
S
Motion
here,
number
three
I
just
think
the
notion
that
we're
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
or
spend
a
lot
of
time
having
reports
about
you
know
if
you
look
at
it,
3.3
million
dollars
to
fund
consultation
and
research,
I
haven't
had
a
single
person.
I
have
lots
of
people,
I
will
concede,
come
up
and
tell
you
be
spending
or
investing
more
and
this
or
that,
but
not
one
person.
Yet,
let's
come
up
and
told
me,
we
should
be
allocating
this
kind
of
money
to
improve
their
access
to
city
government.
S
If
you
take
these
motions,
that
I
think
will
get
approved
some
of
them
here
and
that's
a
full
menu
of
significant
changes
and
initiatives
to
be
undertaken
through
either
the
executive
committee
or
the
other
committee.
So
it's
not
as
if
we're
saying
that's
it,
we're
not
gonna,
consider
anything
more.