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City Council, meeting 12, November 27, 2019 - Part 1 of 2
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A
A
B
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Our
city
relies
on
our
post-secondary
institutions
to
become
centers
of
creativity,
of
leadership
of
new
inventions
and
graduate
a
new
generation
of
thinkers
and
doers.
Our
universities
nurture
and
teach
provide
economic
activity
and
appoint
thousands
of
people
that
have
the
opportunity
to
operate
as
a
city
within
a
city
they
become
centers
of
recreation,
athletics,
social
and
political
activism.
They
welcome
people
from
all
over
the
world
and
are
expected
to
be
institutions
of
warmth
and
represent
our
very
best.
B
They
do
not
only
have
an
opportunity
to
set
the
Civic
standard.
They
can
surpass
it.
Sadly,
at
York
University
last
week,
these
expectations
were
not
met.
A
Jewish
group
organized
an
event.
It
received
all
its
approvals,
it
was
sanctioned
by
the
administration
and
it
was
open
to
all.
Despite
this
and
the
event
was
met
by
a
thousand
protesters
due
to
a
failed
security
plan,
protesters
were
able
to
come
face-to-face
with
their
was
entering
the
event
and
those
who
organized
it.
B
The
protesters
and
I've
seen
the
videos
have
spoken
to
witnesses,
started
yelling
racial
slurs,
making
threats,
shoving
participants
and
did
everything
they
could
do
to
shut
down
the
event.
Toronto
police
had
to
be
called
in
to
restore
order.
Our
officers
from
the
videos
were
put
in
harm's
way
as
a
graduate
of
York
I
am
both
embarrassed
that
the
rule
of
the
mob
has
taken
over
the
campus.
It
is
an
embarrassment
to
our
city
and
the
videos
are
being
viewed
worldwide.
B
B
I
hope
you
will
share
with
me
the
request.
The
demand
that
the
leadership
of
York
University
will
take
this
matter
very
seriously
and
the
necessary
measures
so
that
our
students
feel
they
are
in
a
safe
and
welcoming
and
pluralistic
environment
in
which
they
can
learn
and
that
it
can
happen
and
that
it
cannot
happen
again.
We
need
them
to
investigate
and
act.
The
right
to
peaceful
assembly
is
a
sacred
trust
under
our
Constitution.
It
should
be
protected
and
upheld,
but
it
comes
with
responsibility
and
Trust.
B
A
C
Very
briefly
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
medical
officer
of
Health.
It
is
everybody's
favorite
time
of
year
flu
shot
season
and
on
that
basis,
deputy
mayor
Stephen
Holliday,
who
was
the
first
this
morning
to
get
his
suggested
that
we
do
something
different
here
in
the
chambers
and
over
to
our
medical
officer
of
Health,
dr.
Davila.
D
Thank
You
councillor
Cressy
I,
just
wanted
to
advise
council
that
we
are
making
flu
vaccine
available
to
you
today
and
I
have
with
me
what
some
members
of
our
fabulous
team
at
Toronto,
Public,
Health
Amita
Mathur,
is
the
manager
of
our
vaccine
preventable
diseases
program
and
she
brings
with
her
three
of
our
supervisors,
who
are
here
to
help
make
sure
that
you
are
protecting
yourselves.
Your
families
and
our
community
from
the
flu
I've
got
an
lyddie
Rita
Chu
and
Adi
Somers
Supervisors
in
our
vaccine.
Preventable
disease
program.
D
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
take
the
moment
to
remind
Council.
The
influenza
is
a
serious
illness
that
affects
our
community.
It's
responsible
for
more
than
12,000
hospitalizations
every
year
in
this
country
and
roughly
about
three
thirty
five
hundred
deaths
every
year.
So
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
have
not
already
taken
the
opportunity
to
get
your
flu
vaccine.
We
are
making
it
available
here,
for
you
counts
and
for
some
of
our
staff
here
this
morning.
So.
E
A
F
I'll
put
this
on
there.
We
go
well
good
morning,
colleagues,
and
before
we
begin
today's
meeting,
would
you
join
me
and
I'd
ask
them
if
they
would
stand
in
welcoming
our
special
guests,
who
are
the
Toronto
Arts
Council's
2019
leaders
lab
fellows
so
they're
right
behind
us
here
and
you're?
All
most
welcome
here.
F
We
are
pleased
to
have
you
with
us.
Today
is
honto
just
declared
2021
as
the
year
of
public
art,
which
is
going
to
further
our
commitment
to
the
growing
arts
and
culture
sector
in
Toronto,
which
is
one
that
is
extraordinarily
important
to
our
social
well-being,
to
our
cultural
well-being.
Obviously-
and
you
can
please
sit
that
had
meant
for
you
to
stand
during
and
also
I
think
in
a
way
that
we
don't
talk,
often
enough
about
our
social
cohesion,
our
inclusiveness
and
our
livability
as
a
city,
we
have
as
a
council
and
I'm
proud
of
this.
F
During
the
time
that
I've
been
mayor,
we
have,
as
a
council,
continued
to
invest
more
in
a
sector,
the
arts
and
cultural
sector
that
is
flourishing
in
our
city,
and
our
reputation
has
grown
accordingly
as
a
center
of
creativity
as
somewhere.
That
as
a
place
that
welcomes
a
creative
people
and,
in
particular
artists,
this
has
been
made
possible
by
the
artists
by
our
partners
in
the
arts
community
and
by
programs
that
strengthen
the
arts
industry,
such
as
the
leaders
lab
a
program
on
that
note.
F
I
also
want
to
thank
the
members
of
council
who
attended
the
mayor's
evening
for
the
Arts
last
week,
which
raised
more
than
a
million
dollars
to
continue
to
bring
free
arts
to
our
parks
across
the
city
once
again
in
2020
and
that's
done
under
the
auspices
of
the
Toronto
Arts
Council.
So
18
of
Toronto's
leading
artists
and
arts
professionals
were
selected
through
a
highly
competitive
process.
To
be
these,
the
leaders
lab
fellows
for
2019
there
now
halfway
through
the
program.
F
These
fellows
have
already
participated
in
two
intensive
meetings,
with
our
staff
from
the
economic
development
and
culture
division
to
discuss
current
challenges
and
potential
solutions
for
arts
and
culture
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
The
program
is
now
in
its
fifth
year
and
it
aims
to
enhance
leadership
capacity
in
Toronto's
arts
and
culture
sector.
So
the
program
does
things
like
build?
A
network
of
open
minded,
creative,
problem-solvers
and
innovative
thinkers
from
out
and
across
the
sector,
so
they
can
be
taking
the
experience
of
this
program
back
out
into
the
sector.
F
It
strengthens
the
leadership
capacity
of
the
sector.
It
supports
individual
leaders
as
they
develop
solutions
to
some
of
the
challenges
faced
by
the
sector
and
it
invigorates
hopefully
integrates
arts
leaders
to
ensure
their
future
capacity,
because
in
the
end
we
can
be
investors,
we
can
be
supporters
which
we
are,
but
a
lot
of,
what's
going
to
come
from,
the
sector
itself
has
to
come
from
the
artists
and
from
the
arts
professionals,
so
together,
I
think
we
are
making
an
impact
in
the
city.
I
have
said
many
times
and
I
know.
F
The
community
together
and
enriching
us
as
it's
doing
the
arts
I
mean
in
general,
and
you
will
be
I
hope
better
equipped
to
do
that.
As
a
result
of
your
participation
in
this
program,
and
hopefully
you'll
know
each
other
better,
which
I
think
is
always
one
of
the
benefits
of
these
programs.
And
so
just
so.
You
know
who
these
2019
leaders
lab
fellows
are
and
I
apologize.
I
hope
I'll
get
most
of
the
names
right
here,
but
I'll
do
my
very
best.
F
A
tech
sore
hit
a
lab,
a
visual
artist
and
co-founder
of
air
set
to
support
new
Canadian
artists
in
Toronto
Michael
Vickers,
an
artist
and
co-director
of
the
local
arts
organization,
akin
collective
Andrea,
Wilson
executive
director
of
inside-out,
the
largest
presenter
of
LGBTQ
film
in
in
in
Toronto
Amy
Wong,
the
founder
of
angry
Asian,
feminist
gang
and
Deanna
Wong.
The
executive
director
of
the
Toronto
real
Asian
international
film
festival,
so
with
apologies
for
anything
I,
didn't
do
well
on
the
names
you're
most
welcome.
Here.
Congratulations
on
being
in
the
program!
A
Members
of
council,
we
will
not
review
and
confirm
the
order
paper.
There
are
34
items
left
on
the
agenda,
including
29
member
motions.
Yesterday
count
have
decided
to
consider
the
following
item
says
the
first
and
second
item
of
business
today:
item
pH
10-point
for
amendments
on
chapter
35
for
apartment
buildings
and
progress,
update
on
rent,
safe
and
item
e
X
10.6
on
development
charges,
complaint
for
1251,
bridal
town
circle
and
City
Council
will
consider.
Member
motions
at
2:00
p.m.
I
will
now
take
the
release
of
member
holds.
If
there
are
any.
A
G
H
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I've
got
a
few
more
okay,
so,
first
of
all,
we
believe
that
landlords
have
a
responsibility
for
taking
care
of
their
tenants
in
the
event
of
a
in
the
event
of
evacuation.
We
also
are
aware
that
the
city
has
a
role
through
our
emergency
services
response
that
we
have
a
role
as
well,
so
just.
G
In
the
case
of
ours,
this
would
be
an
arrangement
where
it
is
clearly
not
the
landlords,
the
landlord
it
is
not
the
landlord's
fault
and,
let's
say
an
unfortunate
occurrence
happens,
should
a
landlord.
He
was
financially
responsible
for
an
incident
that
is
beyond
their
control
or
responsibility
when
they
run
and
have
let's
say,
a
safe
building,
where
there's
no
reason
that
there
should
be
as
a
fire
of
such
a
nature.
H
I
D
The
chairs,
so
you
know
that
in
terms
of
the
responsibility
I
can't
speak
counselor
to
the
legal
responsibilities
of
landlords
and
the
responsibilities
to
tenants,
certainly
the
number
of
significant
issues
we
have
seen
this
year.
The
most
recently
is
Gosford,
the
cause
of
which
is
still
under
investigation.
D
You
know,
we've
had
fires
that
have
been
because
of
system
failures
and
we've
had
fires
because
of
accidental
issues
and
we've
had
fires
and
buildings
because
they've
been
intentionally
set,
but
you
know
Toronto
fire
can't
comment
on
what
we
believe
the
landlord's
legal
responsibilities
are
to
the
tenants
all
we
can
speak
to
is
you
know
how
the
fires
are
caused,
and
you
know
the
state
of
the
building
at
that
time.
Okay,
I,
don't
have
a
position
on
landlords,
legal
responsibilities,
so.
D
G
So
let's
say
something
that
very
unfortunate
happens:
that
is
no.
That
is
not
there
was
that
it
unreasonable
to
assume
that
its
responsibility
of
the
owner
of
the
building
he
keeps
a
very
nice
building.
Yet
something
unfortunate
happens.
Let's
say
someone
sets
the
only
example
that
I
can
to
his
or
someone
breaks
the
water
main
sets.
You
know,
there's
a
fire
or
something
like
this:
it's
not
their
fault.
Someone
has
has
purposely
done
something
reckless
in
this
arrangement.
D
G
D
A
B
You
madam
Speaker
I'd
like
to
pick
up
where
deputy
mayor
left
off
on
this
whole
idea
of
the
recovery
of
cost
concept
in
the
situation
of
a
fire
or
other
incident
in
the
building
when,
if
such
were
occur
in
a
TCH
building.
What
would
be
the
obligation
of
the
city
to
tenants
would?
Would
we
I
mean
obviously
there's
there's
the
ethical
piece
we
would.
We
would
want
a
roof
over
their
heads,
but
what
is?
Is
there
synergies
with
rules
we're
looking
at
here.
H
B
H
B
So
you
know
you're
delving
into
the
weeds,
with
the
policy
itself
did
committee.
Look
at
the
possibility
of
requiring
of
the
owners
of
multi-unit
residential
to
carry
a
large
insurance
policy.
I.
Don't
know
why
I
wrote
five
million
dollars
in
my
notes.
That
would
cover
housing
in
in
such
a
catastrophic
event,
rather
than
this
kind
of
convoluted
recovery
of
cost
collecting
a
fee
kind.
H
Of
approach,
so
the
collecting
a
fee
is
only
in
rare
instances
requiring
a
landlord
or
a
tenant
to
carry
insurance
has
a
financial
burden
that
may
be
in
the
landlord's
case
could
be
passed
on
to
tenants.
Businesses
have
a
choice
on
how
they
how
they
operate
their
buildings,
but
again
the
two
pieces
of
insurance,
and
we
spoke
with
the
Insurance
Bureau
of
Canada
on
this
as
a
result
of
the
st.
James
town
incidents,
we
did
our
due
diligence
and
they
did
not
recommend
it.
There
isn't
a
product
that
necessarily
deals
with
this
well.
B
Certainly,
you
cannot
drive
an
automobile
in
this
province
without
insurance.
You
probably
would
never
get
a
mortgage
for
for
a
resident
private
residence
without
insurance,
you
have
to
prove
you
have
insurance
to
get
the
financing.
Why
couldn't
those
same
conditions
apply
to
to
these
towers
and
that
we
require
them?
I
mean
we.
We
require
it
from
all
our
vendors
on
procurement
that
they
carry
a
certain
amount
of
liability
in
case
of
mishap
or
injury
or
death
on
the
worksite.
B
H
B
H
H
The
tenant
lease
is
a
is
a
provincial
document.
It
is,
it
is
set.
What
it
prescribes
about
contents
or
tenants,
is
I'm,
not
exactly
sure,
but
it's
again,
it's
the
tenants
decision
to
get
contents
or
tenants.
Often
tenants
just
get
contents
to
protect
in
the
event
of
their
items
are
stolen
versus
tenant
insurance,
which
is
it's
similar
to
car.
If
you
get
an
accident,
you
get
a
replacement
vehicle.
If
you
would
have
an
incident
you
could
be,
it
could
cover
the
cost
of
rehousing
in
a
hotel.
Now.
B
B
A
J
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
Speaker
I,
wanted
to
ask
about
the
building
audits.
That's
done,
I
understand
from
there's
roughly
3000
of
them
done.
There
was
about
15
I,
believe
the
20
that
failed
below
the
50
mark
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
one
of
those
buildings.
In
my
ward,
we
had
a
lot
of
outreach
from
residents
about
it.
My
staff
we're
trying
to
find
out
the
dynamics
of
that
scenario
and
we're
having
a
hard
time
getting
information.
I'm
just
would
it
be
possible
if
a
building
fails
that
audit
that
the
local
councillor
can
be
notified.
H
What
what's
in
our
program,
what
we
plan
to
do
is
put
everything
on
open
data
and,
if
you
are
to
ask,
if
you
are
first
of
all
we're
gonna
post
it
the
grade
in
your
in
a
obvious
place
in
the
building,
and
it
said
48%,
then
each
tenant
could
ask
for
a
why.
What
are
the
main
reasons
behind
it?
So
that
is
is
something
that
will
be
available.
Okay,.
K
Thank
you
very
much
when
I'm
speaker
so
I
think
I
want
to
go
down
the
same
kind
of
train
of
thought
as
my
colleague.
So
your
recommendations
on
to
a
I
assume.
As
you
developed
this
policy,
you
wouldn't
had
to
look
at
past
instances
where,
in
the
city,
has
taken
a
high
burden
of
cost
on
some
sort
of
evacuation
of
the
building
housing
costs
whatever
they
may
be.
H
To
the
councilor
I
think
the
most
recent
examples
are
650
Parliament
and
260
Wellesley.
They
are
both
incidents
where
we
had
to
the
city
had
to
step
in
had
to
use
city
facilities
to
provide
housing,
so
there's
lost
revenue
there
on
programming.
We
also
had
to
step
in
and
and
work
with
hotels
and
the
Red
Cross
to
get
hotels.
So
those
are
two
really
good
examples
that
have
brought
this
to
the
forefront
in
the
discussion.
It
is
why
the
cost
recovery
tool
is
here
today.
H
This
item
has
been
before
council
twice
already
this
year
and
the
cost
recovery
tool
was
something
that
was
asked
for
and
that's
why
we
brought
it
here.
We
have
done
a
lot
of
work
in
determining
how
to
do
it
and
that's
how
we've
come
in
with
this
recommendation,
based
on
a
lot
of
work
with
legal
and
others.
K
H
Good
question:
it's
it!
I,
don't
have
that
level
of
detail,
but
there's
costs
for
our
our
Office
of
Emergency
Management,
to
step
in
again
parks
facilities
to
use
our
facilities,
other
staff
that
we
have
in
the
housing
areas
to
to
look
for
housing
and
find
it
so
there's
a
there's,
a
significant
amount
of
work
that
goes
into
the
I
know.
Cancer.
A
long
time
played
a
big
role
in
knows
so.
There's
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it.
K
Do
we
have
any
idea
I'm
just
reading
through
the
report
night
I
may
have
missed
it,
so
my
apologies
for
hand,
but
do
we
have
a
specific
fee
structure
not
will
apply
in
certain
circumstances?
I
know
it's
very
depending
on
the
circumstances,
but
do
we
have
a
ballpark
idea
of
what
these
costs
could
be
so.
H
There
isn't
a
set
fee,
it
is
a
variable
fee,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
is
we
would
utilize
the
guidelines
that
are
established
by
the
Red
Cross
and,
for
example,
for
housing
for
lodging
in
a
hotel.
It's
a
hundred
and
seventy
dollars
per
night.
Obviously,
in
Toronto,
that's
a
little
more
expensive
based
on
information
we
have
from
the
Greater
Toronto
Hotel
associations
is
closer
to
200
dollars
per
night.
K
So
so
my
last
question-
and
this
is
kind
of
sorry
directly
continuing
off
my
colleagues
questions
so
when
there
is
firing
ability,
when
the
whole
list
of
circumstances
that
can
happen
to
evacuate
a
building,
whether
it
is
the
negligence
of
the
property
owner
or
not.
We
are
expecting
this
policy
to
apply.
So,
even
if
it
is
not
the
property
owners
fault,
we
would
still
implement
this
policy
so.
H
A
L
L
And
with
respect
to
the
cost
recovery
for
services
rendered
on
behalf
of
the
city,
in
the
absence
of
services
offered
by
the
landlord
in
emergency
procedures,
are
you
trying
to
create
a
profit
Center?
Do
you
add
on
any
additional
charges
that
we
would
not
have
to
to
sort
of
pad
the
price?
Are
you
making
a
profit
in
this
or
just
strictly
cost
recovery?
L
H
L
L
L
L
H
This
case
yes,
and
that's
why
we're
introducing
a
cost
recovery
tool
that
we
could
use
in
the
event
that
a
landlord
isn't
a
good
landlord
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
most
landlords
will
not
have
to
to
do
this.
It's
the
ones
that
don't
take
care
and
where
this
does
happen,
which
we
would
execute
the
cost
recovery
tool
and.
L
Would
you
say
that
most
landlords,
whether
they're
good
or
not,
and
incidents,
do
happen?
We
recognize
that
they
should
have
enough
insurance
coverage
to
and
if
the
product
is
out
there,
they
should
buy
it
that
they
should
have
enough
insurance
coverage
to
provide
extended
stays
and
accommodation
for
their
tenants.
Should
they
be
displaced.
H
L
It's
a
landlord
choice:
it's
a
consumer
product
choice,
so
they
could
choose
to
have
a
package,
an
insurance
package,
that's
very
comprehensive
and
and
wide-ranging,
or
they
could
choose
the
bargain
bin
basement
insurance
package.
That
gives
us
as
little
coverage
as
possible,
but
they
meet
their
financial
obligations
to
their
lenders.
That's.
L
Then,
finally,
with
respect
to
the
city's
vital
service
disruption
policy
that
we
have
just
created
in
the
earlier
months,
that's
largely
to
to
ensure
that
the
landlords
are
compelled
to
have
an
emergency
strategy
in
case
there's
displacement.
So
if
they
have
a
vital
service
disruption
plan,
it
should
also
give
them
enough
sort
of
coverage
that,
when
a
when
a
building
does
go
dark
or
they're
they're
not
able
to
inhabit
safely,
it
actually
allows
them
to
think
proactively
on
what
to
do
now.
M
You,
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
staff,
when
we
have
different
rules
and
regulations
that
apply
to
rental
buildings,
houses,
building
codes
and
everything
else,
we
ask
that
the
landlord
enforce
those
bylaws
that
we
have
like
I
mean.
Would
it
be
like
a
railing,
different
structures
in
a
house
and
all
that
stuff?
We
ask
for
that
to
be
enforced,
correct
so.
H
They're
there
to
buy
laws
before
us
that
that
related
to
apartments,
there's
the
rent,
safety
or
the
apartment,
building
by
law
and
then
there's
another
other
another
vial
of
the
property
standards
by
law
which
which,
which
is
for
both
homes
and
and
Department,
buildings,
which
deals
with
railings
and
those
matters
of
property
standards.
So.
H
M
H
H
M
That
specific,
there
isn't
an
insurance
that
necessarily
quote-unquote
covers
that,
but
that
product
could
be
available
upon
the
request
of
the
landlord
I
mean
they
insure
everything
they
insure
about.
Insurances,
come
up
and
insure
concerts.
If
there's
rain
I
mean
if
they
insure
concerts,
if
there's
rain,
for
you
know
really
thinking
that
they
could
insure
a
building
in
order
to
have
the
tenants
moved
out.
H
M
Of
Toronto,
the
the
largest
municipality
of
rental
buildings
would
I
be
correct.
I
would
believe
so.
Okay
couldn't
we
then
take
a
look
at
this.
Couldn't
your
your
unit
take
a
look
at
this
work
with
insurance
companies.
It
makes
a
Asians
for
us
moving
forward.
So
should
there
an
accident
a
cure
that
the
insurance
company
kicks
in
so.
H
A
E
You
Madame
speaker
through
you
to
municipal,
license
again
standards,
I,
guess
the
dialogue
of
the
report
on
page
15
and
I'll,
just
I'll
read
it
quickly,
where
there's
an
evacuation
resulting
from
extreme
weather
event
or
other
events
that
could
reasonably
be
considered
beyond
the
control
of
the
landlord.
The
landlord
may
be
exempted
from
the
city
providing
the
associated
services
on
their
behalf.
I
listened
earlier
to
some
of
the
questions
from
councilmen
and
Wang
and
others.
Sorry,
deputy
mayor,
min
and
Wang.
E
Just
about
you
know
those
those
circumstances
where
nothing
that
the
landlord
could
have
done
to
prevent
the
situation
occurred
and
things
that
come
to
mind
would
be
a
deliberately
set
fire.
Someone
who
had
maliciously
flooded
an
apartment
or
maybe
criminal
activity
where
they
set
up
a
drug
lab,
or
maybe
that
became
a
crime
scene,
would
would
would
you
exempt
the
landlord
in
those
circumstances?
H
Through
the
chair,
I
would
not
know
yeah.
The
short
answer
is
no,
as
for
reasons
given
earlier
that
it
is
the
responsibility,
the
landlord
to
take
care
of
their
tenants.
The
difference
in
this
piece
would
be
a
natural
disaster
where
there
may
be
an
exemption
versus
the
the
activities
that
you
used
in
your
examples.
So.
E
H
E
Is
the
intent
of
the
rule
then,
to
backstop
landlords
that
do
not
comply
with
their
lease
I
guess
the
idea
would
be
as
all
the
tenants
would
have
to
sue
them
one
by
one
for
not
looking
after
them.
So
in
essence,
the
city
is
going
to
look
after
them
and
charge
the
landlord
back
as
a
cost
recovery,
but
that
in
itself
is
a
bit
of
a
backstop.
Is
that
where
we're
going
with
this
we're.
E
Could
you
just
just
firm
up
for
me
because
I
don't
know
much
about
the
leases
and
and
the
standard
language
of
it,
but
is?
Is
that
the
information
that
you've
got
is
that
every
lease
or
common
law
says
that
the
landlord
has
to
look
after
the
tenants
and
accommodate
them
in
the
scenarios
where
their
units
are
no
longer
available?.
E
H
E
The
side
of
fire
services:
what
do
you
say
that
they
do
something
similar
when
there
are
persistent
alarms
in
a
building
the
fire
department
charges
back
the
landlord,
because
it's
a
cost
to
roll
the
trucks,
and
perhaps
there
may
be
situations
where
the
landlord
can
mitigate
it.
But
sometimes
there's
not,
and
these
are
significant
costs-
would
I
be
correcting
that.
D
So
through
the
chair,
the
the
bylaw
that
deals
with
malicious
or
nuisance,
false
alarms,
councillor,
the
fire
chief-
has
very
limited
discretion
in
what
we
are
allowed
to
waive,
and
that
is
only
when
the
landlord
demonstrates
that
they've
made
a
significant
investment
in
mitigating
those
alarms.
So,
for
example,
malicious
alarms
or
we
have
people
pull
the
alarms
and
buildings.
Whether
or
not
the
landlord
is
responsible
or
knows
the
person,
or
does
it
himself
they
still
get
the
bill
every
time.
Toronto
fire
shows
up.
Thank.
E
You
and
so
just
to
top
that
off
it's
a
fairly
similar
concept
that
we're
bringing
in
it
gets
back
over
to
Carleton.
Would
you
could
you
give
the
council
some
comfort
that,
if
there's
a
dispute
with
the
landlord
and
saying
you
know
I
shouldn't
be
responsible
for
these
costs,
for
whatever
reason,
what's
the
mechanism
for
them
to
go
and
and
try
to
get
a
remedy
on
that
the
courts
is
it
to
you?
Is
it
to
Council
I.
F
Thank
you,
speaker,
I'd,
like
to
just
go
back
to
I,
think
an
area
of
questioning
that
has
been
taken
up
by
a
number
of
the
members
of
council
and
just
because
I'm
still
not
exactly
clear
on
the
answer.
The
first
question
was
probably
goes
to
the
solicitor
is:
do
we
we,
the
city
we
as
a
city
council?
Do
we
have
the
legal
right
to
require
landlords
to
have
insurance,
including
specific
aspects
of
insurance,
riders
and
so
on?
That
would
cover
homelessness.
F
F
Okay,
so
what
was
there
any?
There
wasn't
any
looking
into
it,
then
that
led
to
this
mechanism,
which
is
slightly
different,
which
is
a
sort
of
cost
recovery
fee
yeah
the
best
way
I
could
describe
it
there
were
there,
wasn't
any
looking
into
the
precise
question
of
whether
we
had
the
legal
authority
to
require
to
require
insurance
of
landlords,
I
believe.
D
F
Okay,
I,
don't
know
who
this
question
would
go
to,
but
but
I
guess
would
I
be
right
in
saying
that
there's
only
three
possible
people
who
could
pay
in
an
event
of
a
disaster
or
fire.
Some
other
thing
only
three
possible
people
who
could
pay
one.
It
would
be
the
tenants
which
seems
manifestly
unfair
and
in
most
cases,
whether
it's
unfair
or
fair,
they
couldn't
pay.
Certainly
the
group
last
night
and
the
group
on
Parliament
Street
have
no
ability
to
pay,
and
it
seems
unfair
anyway.
F
Secondly,
would
be
the
government
whether
it's
this
government
or
some
other
government
and
that
doesn't
seem
fair,
either
and
third
would
be
the
landlord
and/or
their
insurer
would
I.
Is
there
anybody
else
we
could
think
of
who
could
pay
the
cost
of
the
replacement
or
temporary
housing
for
people
who
are
displaced
by
a
major
fire?
No.
A
C
Thanks
very
much
I
think
these
questions
will
be
for
MLS.
Just
a
few
and
I
wanted
to
bring
up
the
issue
of
heat
in
the
units.
This
is
something
that
tenant
tenant
groups
in
my
area
have
been
very
concerned
about,
and
I
can
see
from
the
decision.
History
that
it's
something
that's
that
council
has
been
concerned
about
for
a
number
of
years.
Could
you
tell
me
this
status
of
the
heat
in
apartments
working
group.
H
So
there's
a
there's,
a
few
working
groups
on
this.
There
is
we've
partnered,
with
public
health
on
this
I
may
be
getting
it
confused,
but
there's
another
group
that
Josie
Shirley
leads
on
cooling.
So
there's
there's
a
number
of
groups
that
we
are
well
aware
of
this
matter
between
the
heat
and
cooling
and
we
are
a
participant
right.
C
C
H
H
So
that
it's
a
piece
we're
still
working
on
it's
a
part
of
that
working
group,
we're
looking
at
a
number
of
areas
but
you're
right.
A
number
of
the
buildings
in
this
in
the
City
of
Toronto
were
built
before
air-conditioning
right,
and
so
it
is
a.
It
is
a
major
issue.
It
is
a
challenging
issue
that
we
are
trying
to
work
through
as
a
collective
group
as
a
city.
Okay,.
C
H
It's
a
challenge,
I
believe
in
our
bylaw.
There
is
a
range
of
temperature
and
a
range
of
date,
so
it
is
something
that
we
try
to.
Obviously
minimize
we
we
respond
to
heat
calls.
I
would
also
suggest
I
would
also
state
that
there
are
there
are.
You
know
we
only
get
typically
30
calls
per
year
on
this.
Okay.
C
And
although
I
recognize,
like
you
know,
there's
a
lot
to
call
in
and
complain
about
it
versus
just
sit
there
sweat
and
suffer
these
our
approach
more
in
line
with
perhaps
moving
forward
with
cooling
rooms
or
places
of
respite
where
you
can
cool
off
versus
a
maximum
heat
temperature
in
the
summer.
Yes,.
N
N
N
N
We
are
also
asking
for
staff
to
finally
move
forward
with
the
rating
system.
The
reason
by
the
way
we
called
this
rent
safe,
is
that
we
were
reflecting
a
very
successful
program
called
dine
safe.
That
was
the
whole
idea.
That's
why
you'll
see
those
little
key
chains,
they
called
rent
safe.
Now
that
was
the
idea,
and
the
whole
idea
is
that
a
tenant
should
be
able
to
a
prospective
tenant
should
be
able
to
know
what
they're
walking
into
before
they
sign
on
the
dotted
line.
N
Far
too
often
tenants
will
well-well-well
will
get
a
lease
and
move
in,
and
then
they
realized
that
they're
in
a
horrible
and
shameful
situation,
I've
heard
some
arguments
suggest
that
this
you
know
this
rating
system
might
stigmatize
the
tenants
themselves.
But
if
you
look
at
that,
if
you
look
at
acorn,
if
you
look
at
tenants
across
their
city,
they're
saying
quite
the
opposite,
they're
already
they're
already
stigmatized
by
the
shameful
state
that
their
building
is
in,
they
are
feeling
ashamed
to
invite
their
parents
over
their
friends
over
their
families.
N
N
We
also
want
to
see
in
this
was
this
kind
of
clarification
motion
that
that
far
too
often,
the
property
standards
committee
provides
extensions
to
landlords
when
they
have
outstanding
work
orders.
This
can
go
on
for
months
if
not
years
and
the
tenant
is
just
stuck
in
in
the
state
of
limbo,
where
their
units
not
repaired
their
buildings,
not
repaired,
and
that
has
to
be
limited.
Those
should
be
really
extreme
situations,
not
just
a
regular
series
of
events.
N
M
E
M
We
look
in
the
news
over
the
years
on
Parliament's
out
in
the
West
End
in
my
colleague,
Brutus
area,
that
there's
fires
and
things
that
happen
in
buildings
that
are
older
buildings,
30
or
40
years
old,
and
they
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
have
sprinkler
systems
in
them.
In
my
ward,
22
I
have
something
like
about
75
or
80
apartment
buildings,
and
a
lot
of
them
are
rental
buildings
and
I've
time,
and
time
again
has
spoken
to
Deputy
Chief
Jim
Jessup
about
the
possibility.
M
Could
we
have
something
like
what
happened
in
London
England
happened
in
Canada.
I
was
assured
that
that
couldn't
happen,
but
unfortunately
we
did
have
an
instance.
Just
last
couple
of
days
where
people
out
in
in
Etobicoke,
we
had
to
go
out
of
their
houses
because
of
a
fire
that
has
started.
There's
buildings,
that
if
we
look
to
retrofit
and
put
in
them
my
sprinkler
systems,
it
will
cost
the
landlord's
great
amount
of
money,
and
a
lot
of
them
will
just
get
out
of
the
business.
M
Now,
there's
insurance,
that
we
ask
a
lot
of
people
to
have
in
their
buildings
insurance
that
we
have
two
people
in
when
the
the
driver
taxicab.
There
should
be
an
insurance
product
out
there
that
asks
the
the
landlord
to
make
sure
that
he
or
she
has
insurance
on
the
buildings
that
looks
after
the
tenants
that
are
misplayed.
It's
nice.
It's
nice
to
get
to
rent,
to
have
a
building
and
rent
and
make
money
and
and
go
to
the
bank
and
and
make
your
deposits
and
say
at
the
end
of
the
day
to
your
shareholders.
M
This
is
the
bottom
line,
and
this
is
how
much
money
we
made,
but
it
also
is
appropriate
for
the
landlord's
to
make
sure
that
they
have
insurance
that
covers
their
misplaced
tenants.
Time
and
time
again.
The
city
has
to
step
in
and
say,
let's
see
how
we
can
help,
and
we
see
a
lot
of
us
councillors
and
the
mayor
running
to
these
events
and
we'll
bring
the
our
buses
and
say
we're
going
to
put
place
people
here
tonight
and
we
look
to
make
arrangement
them
in
schools
or
community
centers.
M
However,
this
should
be
the
responsibility
strictly
the
responsibility
of
the
landlord.
The
landlord
is
renting,
he's
running
a
business
she
or
he's
running
a
business
they're
there
to
make
money.
They
should
also
be
responsible
to
make
sure
that
the
money
that
they
earned
from
the
people
that
they
house
also
goes
to
address
the
issue
of
them
being
able
to
be
placed
and
to
be
looked
after
in
a
situation
should
a
fire
or
anything
else
or
an
electrical
event
or
an
emergency
event
happens.
M
A
L
Madam
Speaker,
and
through
you
with
respect
to
the
insurance
products
that
are
out
there
like,
would
it
not
be
just
incumbent
on
the
landlord
as
usually
these
are?
These
are
corporations
that
are
run
by
staff
and
with
professional
advice
that
they
would
just
know
what
is
out
there
like
isn't
it
that
gives
their
obligation
I.
M
Thank
you
for
the
question.
However.
In
listening
to
the
executive
director
of
municipal
slicing
standards,
we
were
advised
that
there
is
no
such
product
out
there.
A
lot
of
the
landlords
are
hesitant
to
go
in
this
fashion,
so
I'd
like
to
get
a
report
back
that
says
what's
out
there
in
order
for
us
to
make
sure
that
we
do
have
coverage
for
our
tenants.
You
know
there's
insurance
coverage
for
all
kinds
of
events,
their
insurance
coverage,
believe
it
or
not.
M
L
Would
it
not
be
just
incumbent
on
the
marketplace?
We
talk
about
the
marketplace
meeting
the
needs
of
the
demand
that,
if
the,
if
the
insurance
companies
can
create
a
proc
and
actually
I'm
gonna,
assume
that
the
product
is
out
there
to
be
quite
honest
because
I
don't
believe
that
it's
not
and
I,
don't
believe.
L
That's
what
staff
said
that
the
products
not
available,
so
if
that
when
the
product
is
available,
but
you
have
a
menu
of
options
and
the
landlord
just
chooses
not
to
purchase
the
Cadillac
coverage
of
policies,
but
they
choose
to
the
bargain
basement
bin
policy
like.
Why
would
we
get
involved
with
that
discussion?
We.
M
Get
involved
with
the
discussion
about
safety
of
our
of
our
residents.
We
get
involved
with
a
discussion
of
railings.
We
get
involved
with
the
discussion
of
sprinklers
and
new
building
and
everything
else
I
think
it's
a
who
says
to
get
the
responsible
here.
If
the
landlord
does
not
want
to
move
in
that
fashion,
then,
in
order
for
him
or
her
to
be
licensed
to
rent
those
buildings
out,
we
should
make
sure
that
they
are
in
that
position
that
they
provide
this
option
to
our
citizens.
M
L
And
thank
you
very
much.
Councillor
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
setting
up
a
scenario
here
where
we
have
the
industry
of
that
Lobby
on
behalf
of
apartment
owners
and
the
industry
around
the
insurance
companies
saying
the
product
doesn't
exist,
you're
asking
for
something
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
setting
up
a
conversation.
That's
doing
a
benefit,
the
landlord
in
in
removing
themselves
from
that
Gatien
and
responsibilities
so
that
they
can
actually
avoid
the
the
bylaw
you.
M
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
I
see
some
people
in
shirts
in
the
back.
A
corn
and
I
got
to
tell
you
having
kind,
having
spoken
to
them.
Having
worked
with
them
as
well
as
myself
and
others
in
this
chamber,
I
would
say
to
you
that
they
would
welcome.
In
addition,
that
tenants
are
covered
and
having
insurance
that
looks
after
them
being
misplaced
in
a
case
of
an
emergency.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Madam
Speaker
I
see
where
the
discussion
is
going.
I,
listen
carefully
to
the
questions
of
staff.
I've
read
through
the
report
here
and
I
think
this
has
to
go
back
to
committee.
I'm
gonna
refer
this
back
to
the
planning
and
Housing
Committee
for
further
consideration
when
I
look
at
item
2
in
particular,
I
see
this
as
a
rent,
a
rent
hike
I
see
this
cost
that
were
imposing
and
and
10
should
be
protected.
B
They
shouldn't
have
secured
housing
an
emergency,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
the
tenants
are
protected
and
I
see
this
as
a
rent
hike.
At
the
same
time,
we
are
encouraging
across
our
city
for
confer
for
developers
to
build
purpose-built
rental,
and
this
represents
another
barrier,
another
economic
barrier.
For
us
to
increase
our
rental
stock.
We
need
to
look
at
the
insurance
options.
As
councillor
Kerry
Ganis
and
some
of
the
questioners
clearly
worked
out.
You
can
ensure
almost
anything
you
can
insure
racehorses,
you
can
insure
paintings.
B
You
can
insure
your
pets,
I
can't
believe
there
isn't
a
product
out
there.
It
comes
at
a
big
cost
that
can
insure
an
apartment,
building
based
on
their
on
the
requirements
here
of
more
than
3
stories
or
10
or
more
units,
and
so
forth.
I
find
this
will
lead
us
to
years
of
litigation.
I
think
this
will
be
hurtful
to
tenants.
It
will
not
help
tenants
and
I.
Think
more
work
has
to
be
done
at
the
committee
level
on
the
positive
side.
I
thank
committee
members
for
their
work
on
the
file.
B
B
B
A
N
A
N
L
B
L
B
Of
the
some
of
the
questions
were,
the
nature
of
them
were
protecting
tenants,
it's
going
back
to
make
sure
that
we've
explored
all
insurance
options
and
making
sure
we
have
a
preventive
strategy
in
place.
This
this
framework
here
I,
think,
will
let
two
analyst
litigation
and
will
end
to
rent
hikes,
end
up
in
rent
hikes
and
be
a
barrier
to
the
building,
a
purpose-built
rental
and.
L
In
counselor,
you
believe
that
by
sending
this
this
item
back
to
committee
that
that,
even
though
staff
have
internally
consulted
15
15
different
divisions
before
tabling
the
support
that
that
that
the
committee
will
be
able
to
do
what
that
hasn't
already
been
done
by
by
way
of
public
consultation
by
way
of
two
years
worth
of
research
by
way
of
conversation
and
consultation
with
15
divisions
like
what
do
you
possibly
help?
Hope
to
that
hasn't
already
been
done
over
the
past
20.
B
Years
you
do
know
that
the
what
comes
out
of
committee
are
recommendations
to
council
Council
has
the
right
to
either
accept
them,
adopt
them
or
send
them
back
or
amend
them,
and
a
referral
back
to
committee
from
our
work
is
a
normal
course
of
action.
If
we
feel
more
work
has
been
done.
It
was
a
very
large
question
to
staff
meeting.
That's
usually
an
indicator
that
there's
more
work
to
be
done.
Okay,.
L
Shouldn't
I
have
one
more
question:
okay,
recognising
that
this
particular
item
was
already
debated
quite
robustly
at
the
committee.
There
was
lots
of
public
input
there,
like
literally
there
were
a
hundred
ever
many
hours
of
like
literally
we
had
to
extend
the
meeting
that
we
had
already
gone
through
a
very
robust
committee
process.
It's
not
that
there
were
no
deputy
counsel.
Please
ask
your
question:
I!
Guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
could
this
possibly
achieve,
that
we
didn't
already
go
through
it?
Okay,
thank
you,
or
is
this
a
delay
tactic.
B
Your
night
well,
the
objective
here
is
to
make
sure
tenants
are
protected
in
the
best
way
possible
without
endless
litigation.
It's
an
attempt
to
make
sure
we
encourage
purpose-built
rental
in
our
city
and
to
make
sure
there's
an
emergency
management
plan
when,
when
catastrophic
events
happen,
I
don't
see
all
those
pieces
smoothly
going
forward.
It's
time
to
take
us
over.
Second
one.
M
B
B
I
B
Counselor
pers
I
have
your
your
advance
circulation
of
your
motion,
and
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
it
should
go
back.
We
have
to
do
better.
We
have
to
protect
tenants.
We
have
to
have
an
insurance
product
that
protects
tenants
and
make
sure
they're
they're
put
into
temporary
dignified,
secure
housing.
We
don't
want
to
get
into
a
fight
with
our
with
our
rental
owners.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
build
our
housing
and
rental
stock
to
appropriate
levels.
So
we
can
put
put
downward
pressure
on
rent
costs.
I
think
it
needs
more
work,
but.
I
B
B
I
The
website
has
thousands
and
thousands
and
thousands
and
thousands
of
work
orders
that
that
landlords
basically
haven't
dealt
with
and
we've
been
powerless
to
to
enforce
in
any
meaningful
way.
So
what
this
program
with
the
program
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
a
modest
attempt
to
give
them
the
tools
to
enforce
some
of
those
work.
Orders
I.
A
O
B
O
B
I
mean
if
you,
if
I
I,
see
this
is
extremely
messy,
leading
to
years
of
litigation,
a
barrier,
a
barrier
to
the
building
of
purposeful
rental
or
a
rent.
A
rent
increase
in
stealth
I
think
we
have
to
send
it
back
and
look
at
insurance
products.
We
have
to
rely
on
the
private
sector
to
protect
tenants
through
insurance
and
through
preventative
strategies.
B
O
Okay,
but
yes,
the
city
solicitor,
you
do
understand,
as
the
city
solicitor
said,
it's
their
obligation
and
the
only
thing
here
is
just
we're.
Just
trying
to
protect
the
city.
I
mean
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
assist
them
and
work
with
the
insurance
and
and
advocate
to
have
these
insurance
programs.
But
do
we
really
have
to
send
the
whole
entire
program
back
because
ya.
O
Would
you
like
a
report
back?
Maybe
that
can
help
you
on
this
on
these
things
in
a
couple
of
months?
It's
to
further
these
conversations
about
us,
helping
them
get
insurance.
Can
we
assist
you
in
anything
so
that
there's
there's
been
a
lot
of
work?
As
other
councillors
have
said,
there
was
more
meetings
in
between
committee
and
council.
We've
had
staff.
The
committee
asked
staff
to
have
meetings
both
with
the
landlord's,
both
with
the
tenants
community.
There's
gonna
be
reports
back.
This
is
a
it.
O
B
O
If
you're
sure
that's
a
real
issue
is
the
insurance,
can
we
instead
draft
a
motion
to
ask
for
staff
to
maybe
work
with
the
well
I
think
actually
councillor
care
genna's
was
in
going
into
that
direction?
Can
we
have
that
return
come
back
in
a
few
months
to
see
if
there's
anything
that
we
can
do,
I
mean
I.
Think
the
mayor
posed
the
best
question:
there's
only
three
people
that
are
gonna
pay
this
okay.
So
if
you
don't
want
to
pay,
thank
you
there's
our
tenants.
So
we
can
assist
the
landlord's.
A
A
E
D
J
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
do
have
a
motion
that
I
would
like
to
move
the
City
Council
direct,
the
executive
director
of
municipal
licensing
and
standards
to
notify
the
local
city
councilor
when
a
building
in
their
Ward's
goes
below
50%
on
a
building
on
it
by
the
rent,
safe
team.
I
just
want
to
have
that
formalized.
I
know
that
staff
and
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
the
information
on
the
building
audits
that
they
do
put
on
the
open
data
portal
for
the
City
of
Toronto
I.
J
Think
that
transparency
is
very
important
from
my
own
experience.
I
recently
had
a
building
in
my
ward,
we
weren't
notified
or
didn't
know
that
it
had
a
low
score
until
tenants
started
reaching
out
to
us
I'd,
just
like
a
little
bit
more
I
reached
from
staff
there,
which
they've
agreed
to
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
their
hard
work
on
this
and
excuse
me,
counselor
fruits,
I
mentioned
a
couple
of
minutes
ago
that
this
has
been
a
long
process
12
to
13
years
of
work
and
input.
J
One
of
the
reasons
why
I
think
the
majority
of
us
didn't
vote
for
the
deferral
motion
that
we
saw
for
myself,
I
have
I
did
say:
I
was
moving
this
so
for
myself
as
a
city,
councilor
I
have
five
neighborhood
improvements.
Areas
in
my
ward
residents
are
constantly
coming
to
me
saying
they
have
issues
with
the
building
concerns
with
the
building.
Two
of
the
things
that
stand
out
the
most
for
me
in
this
report
is
a
five-year
capital
plan
that
that
building
owners
are
gonna,
have
to
have
a
five-year
capital
plan.
J
I
can't
tell
you
the
number
of
times
when
I
reach
out
to
building
owners
after
getting
complaints
from
tenants
that
they
tell
me
works
in
progress,
that's
gonna
get
done
and
when
I
say
to
them
when
we're
working
on
it
counselor,
don't
you
worry
about
it?
That's
if
I
can
even
get
the
building
owner
who's,
not
using
a
management
company
or
you
know
just
can't
get
to
him.
The
other
part
of
it
in
Section,
eight
expanding
the
criteria
to
roofs
past
pad
infest
pest
infestation,
mold
water
pressure
windows.
J
Those
are
probably
my
top
ten
list
of
complaints
that
I
get
through
my
constituency
office
when
people
are
contacting
my
office
about
the
state
of
their
building.
I
think
you
know
I'm
very
happy
with
this
report.
You
know
the
the
onus
is
on
the
landlords
and
that's
what
it
should
be.
I've
listened
some
of
the
questions
and
my
first
thought
was:
you
know
if
you
own
a
house
and
you
and
you
had
someone
living
in
your
basement,
you
had
these
complaints.
You
know
you'd
be
expected
to
take
care
of
it.
J
You're
you're
the
landlord,
my
children,
if
they
were
living
in
any
of
these
buildings
with
this
list
of
complaints
as
a
parent,
the
first
thing
I'd
be
like:
what's
the
plan
to
fix
your
apartment,
I
don't
know
well,
why
isn't
your
new
landlord
telling
you
what
why
the
apartment
isn't
getting
fixed?
What
the
plan
is
to
fix
it?
Why,
when
you
go
to
your
apartment
in
January,
it's
freezing
and
when
you
go
to
the
apartment
in
August,
it's
90
degrees,
because
there's
no
air
conditioning
on
so
I'm
fully
supportive.
L
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker,
and
I
too
would
like
to
extend
my
thanks
and
gratitude
to
staff
I
think
it's
very
important,
madam
Speaker,
that
we
recognize
the
history
of
this
work
to
enhance
the
policy
to
create
a
bylaw,
to
provide
further
supports
for
tenants.
It's
been
a
long
time
coming,
but
madam
Speaker
it's!
This
is
not
the
the
initial
kickoff.
This
is
actually
a
pivot,
because
the
report
is
actually
responding
to
the
process
of
rent
safety,
oh
and
the
progress
of
rent
safety
o.
L
So
it's
of
course
making
some
amendments
based
on
the
observations,
as
staff
have
already
concluded,
based
on
consultations
that
have
gone
out
with
both
the
industry,
as
well
as
the
tenants
and
tenant
organizations
and
I.
Think,
madam
Speaker,
this
is
a
very
good
report.
What's
missing
from
this
conversation,
as
we've
sort
of
you
know,
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
life
easier
for
landlords
and
how
to
make
business
environment
easier
for
landlords.
L
What's
entirely
missing
from
this
debate
so
far
is
that
there
were
a
series
of
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
committee
that
actually
strengthened
this
report
and
because
we
recognized
that
there
were
there
were
enforcement
gaps
that
need
it
to
be
addressed,
so
that
madam
Speaker
is
a
is
a
good
thing,
because
MLS
and
that
division
has
always
put
forth
some
exceptional
policies.
They
have
not
always
done
an
exceptional
job.
L
Unfortunately,
madam
Speaker,
around
enforcement
and
and
as
I
as
I
note
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
staffing
up
to
get
the
inspectors
out
there
to
make
sure
that
they
can
follow
the
work
plan
to
a
dedicated
schedule.
That
madam
Speaker
is
what
has
been
missing
from
this
debate.
So
I
do
think
that
that
we
we
have
enough
to
go
on
I
recognize
that
there's
going
to
be
industry
members
on
behalf
of
the
landlord
sector
or
perhaps
that
land
development
sector
that
will
probably
want
to
challenge
this
by
law
and
council
members.
L
What
else
is
new,
every
single
bylaw
just
about
that's,
put
forward,
gets
lobbied
on
or
we
go
to
court
to
defend.
So
this
will
be
no
different
and
I
believe
that
the
city
staff
have
done
everything
they
can
to
close
the
loops.
But
it
is
important
for
us
to
recognize
that
they
are
building
upon
layers
and
layers
of
feedback
that
have
already
come
from
the
community.
Are
we
there
yet
do
we
have
the
best
bylaw
at
this
point
in
time?
L
Certainly
not,
but
it's
certainly
stronger
than
where
we
first
started
and
we're,
and
we
have
some
learnings
so
I
do
want.
To.
Madam
speaker
just
finish
on
a
couple
of
quick
points.
The
city
solicitor
said
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
remember
that
the
landlord
has
a
responsibility
to
continue
housing,
the
tenant,
while
they're
under
an
agreement
and
under
contract
that
obligation
never
falls
away,
whether
a
property
is
inhabitable
or
not.
That
is
their
obligation,
because
that's
the
contract,
just
as
much
as
the
tenant
has
an
obligation
to
pay
their
rent.
L
L
You
know
whether
or
not
tenants
are
organized
and
and
active,
and
whether
or
not
we
have
the
legislative
framework
to
sort
of
compel
a
proper
due
process,
as
well
as
to
ensure
good
outcomes,
and
that
madam
Speaker,
is
what
I
believe
we
have
before
us.
This
is
not
easy
legislation,
not
by
any
stretch,
but
the
staff
have
done
everything
they
can
to
ensure
that
they
have
a
much
stronger,
improved
bylaw
moving
forward,
and
that
is
a
good
thing.
What
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
remember?
L
One
other
thing
is
that
when
we
go
into
the
2020
budget
process
and
and
when
we
take
a
look
at
all
all
the
bylaws
and
all
the
things
that
we
said,
we
would
do
whether
it's
through
different
strategies
or
plans
or
even
the
enforcement
of
bylaws.
We
have
to
make
sure
we
empower
the
divisions
with
enough
staff
to
go
and
do
the
work.
So
the
policy
is
great.
L
C
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
want
to
rise
to
just
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
the
importance
of
having
a
program
like
rent,
safe
in
a
city
as
large
as
Toronto,
where
a
vast
majority
of
our
residents
are
in
fact
renters.
Two
weeks
ago,
at
the
Planning
and
Housing
Committee,
we
passed
a
number
of
important
recommendations
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
here
today
and
actually,
just
a
few
days
after
that,
we
have
heard
about
the
tragic
five-alarm
blaze
fire
at
235,
Gosford,
more
than
300
residents
in
that
situation
were
displaced
by
the
fire.
C
So
there's
situations
where
the
city
has
to
step
in
and
look
out
for
resident
safety
and
that's
something
that
should
always
be
our
number
one
priority.
That's
what
we're
here
to
do
and
these
recommendations
actually
give
us
the
ability
to
do
that
without
hesitation
and
recover
the
costs
and
I
think
you
heard
that,
through
the
line
of
questioning
today
with
the
rental
crisis
that
we
have
in
our
city,
too
often
landlords
are
taking
advantage
of
and
capitalizing
on
those
low
vacancy
rates.
C
So
if
you're
not
happy
with
the
regulations,
you
know
and
again
there's
a
lot
of
great
actors
out
there
that
do
the
proactive
maintenance
that
are
good
stewards
that
are
good
landlords
and
operate
wonderful
operations.
But
a
few
bad
actors,
and
too
often
across
the
city,
drive
an
agenda
where
the
city
is
forced
to
step
in
to
protect
tenants
and
that's
our
job
and
that's
what
we
have
to
do.
C
We
need
to
do
this
with
every
resource
and
measure
that
is
available
to
us,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
these
situations,
where
worst-case
scenarios
take
place,
we
have
the
ability
to
respond
quickly
and
recover
the
costs
associated
with
that.
You
know.
In
my
my
own,
War
Beach
is
he's
short.
We
had
a
whirring
missed
with
the
collapse
of
the
Crescent
town
bridge,
and
that
was
that
was
just
over
a
year
ago,
and
it
was
another
example
of
neglect
on
the
property
owner
to
the
state
of
failure
of
a
bridge
structure.
C
Now
the
city
we
we
had
gaps
in
some
of
our
policy
and
as
councilor
want
an
was
was
mentioning.
This
report
looks
at
that
too,
and
I
have
to
say
and
commend
our
city
staff,
and
the
internal
audit
did
a
tremendous
job
at
identifying
those
gaps
and
putting
new
processes
in
place.
To
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen
again,
we
got
lucky
because
the
bridge
collapsed
at
6:00
a.m.
on
a
Saturday
morning,
but
any
other
day
of
the
week.
C
You
know
there
would
be
hundreds
of
schoolchildren
crossing
that
bridge
every
single
morning
and
it
would
have
been
catastrophic.
The
bottom
line
is
maintenance,
maintenance
issues
become
structural
issues
and
that's
what
we're
dealing
with
many
of
our
buildings
in
this
city
of
Toronto
are
at
a
particular
age
that
building
stock
is
getting
older.
Much
of
them
were
constructed
prior
to
1980,
and
the
maintenance
has
not
been
performed
on
these
buildings
to
make
sure
that
they
are
safe,
lacking
the
provincial
regulations
that
came
out
of
the
Elliot
Lake
catastrophe.
C
We
are
still
missing
those
regulations
and
it
makes
us
very
difficult
to
command
proactive
measures
taken
on
behalf
of
the
landlord
industry,
but
we
need
to
keep
pushing
for
that
gaps
in
people's
knowledge
around
their
rights
related
to
renting.
We
hear
time
and
time
again
in
our
committee
how
problematic
that
is,
people
just
don't
know
what
their
rights
are
and
and
they're
vulnerable,
and
they
get
taken
advantage
of
earlier.
In
this
meeting
here
we
were
celebrating
the
success
of
777
Victoria
Park
and
how
we
got
through
the
planning
process
in
in
under
a
year.
C
That
is
a
huge
milestone,
but
it
also
underscores
the
fact
that
these
projects
and
building
new
rental
takes
time.
So
we
really
need
programs
like
rent
safe
in
place
to
affect
and
protect
the
stock
that
we
have
I
do
want
to
thank
all
my
colleagues,
deputy
mayor
by
Lao
John
Tory
on
the
work
that's
been
done
on
this
and
advancing
it
through
committee.
I,
think
the
recommendations
in
front
of
us
are
thoughtful
and
I
happy
to
support
them.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
I
I'm
hoping
you
you'll.
Allow
me
to
just
stop
the
clock
and
put
the
motion
on
the
on
the
screen,
so
that
so
that
you
don't
rule
it
out
of
order
at
some
point
or
rule
me
out
of
order
at
some
point
there.
It
is
okay,
good!
Thank
you,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
people
will
support
that.
It's,
it's
very
modest,
and
it's
very
minor
I
just
want
to
take
us
back
for
a
second,
because
I
was
somewhat
miffed
by
the
by
the
motion
to
simply
defer
this
program.
I
I
I
I
The
subsequent
governments
have
just
acceded
to
them.
Where
now
you
have
rental
housing
coming
out
at
at
not
just
market
value,
because
we
have
a
housing
crisis
beyond
market
values,
because
people
can't
find
places
to
live
and
then
when
they
do,
they
have
to
sublet
it
their
apartments
illegally.
As
we
found
up
in
Gosport,
where
there's
you
know
some
310,
it's
300
plus
tenants
on
the
leases.
There's
like
five
six,
seven
hundred
people
living
in
the
building.
I
I
But
that's
because
not
every
landlord
is
a
good
landlord,
because
if
they
were,
then
they
wouldn't
be
forced
to
produce
these
plans
and
and-
and
you
know,
the
color
coded
signs
and
and
the
boards
and
having
to
post
their
notices
and
all
those
other
kinds
of
things.
But
we
need
to
do
that
because
otherwise
we
are
powerless
like
in
in
in
the
situation
Thank.
A
P
P
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
the
the
problem
lies
with
the
with
the
standard
lease
from
the
province
because
understand
at
least
now
that
they
only
have
saying
whether
the
tenants
would
have
insurance,
yes
or
no,
so
because
they
don't
do
not
allow
and
are
the
rental
agency
or
agents
to
alter
the
standard
lease.
So
if
I,
if
we
may
actually
ask
the
province
to
consider
that,
on
the
standard
lease
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
about
the
contents
insurance
and
about
tenants
insurance
and
it's
not
actually
very
expensive.
P
So
if
we
don't
go
this
route,
there
will
be
no
in
the
last
twenty
years.
There's
no.
Nobody
wanted
to
develop
any
kind
of
this
product
about
rent.
Oh
so
we'll
defeat
the
purpose
of
affordable
rentals
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
so,
basically
I
think
if
we
can
request
the
province
to
consider
amending
their
standard
lease
provision,
I
think
it
will
probably
help
all
parties
to
make
sure
that
the
owners
is
just
not
on
the
landlord,
which
is
very
very
hefty
to
them,
and
it
might
drive
them
out
of
business
and
they
will.
P
M
When
I
restart
my
time,
madam
speaker,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
my
to
understand
for
my
colleague
that
this
motion
says
to
the
tenant
that
there,
if
there's
a
fire
in
the
building
beyond
their
control,
that
they
would
be
responsible
for
their
housing
in
view
of
being
thrown
out
of
that
building.
Because
of
the
of
the
accident
that
happened.
How.
P
M
P
M
P
M
P
P
There
is
nothing
used
to
be
when,
when,
when
there's
opportunities
being
drafted,
we
used
to
elaborate
that
the
tenants
is
usually
is
responsible
for
their
own
contents.
Insurance
is
their
own
content,
is
not
the
landlord's
content
only
their
own
content,
insurance
and
third-party
liability.
You
know
something
happens
and
all
that.
So
basically,
this
is
just
adding
another
aspect
to
this
hope.
Tenants,
package
insurance
just
to
make
sure
that
is
therefore
everybody.
So
everybody
is
protected
and
not
the
city.
The
city
does
not
need
to
pay
for
any
of
these
burdens.
N
Councilor,
it's
you,
madam
chair.
You
are
aware
that
the
Act
already
allows
if
a
tenant
wants
to
to
have
their
own
insurance.
That
is
an
opportunity,
but
do
you
also
hear
I
mean
this
is
analogous
to,
for
example,
with
the
road
safety
debate
the
upset
about
you
know
those
reflective
armbands
being
handed
out
I'm.
N
N
A
P
Q
We
also
learn
from
The,
Globe
and
Mail
that
investors
spent
a
record
eight
point:
three
billion
purchasing
apartment
buildings
in
Canada,
because
it
was
the
single
best
investment
you
could
make
in
real
estate
in
Canada
and
that
the
only
thing
stopping
that
number
from
reaching
ten
billion
was
that
they
ran
out
of
apartment
buildings
to
buy
so
I'm
having
trouble
when
they're
so
attracted
to
this
investment
understanding.
Where
the
imbalances
could
you
explain
to
me
how
landlords
who
are
clamoring
to
buy
these
buildings
are
losing
their
shirts?
You.
P
Q
P
Q
A
Thank
you.
I
wanted
an
opportunity
to
speak
on
it
and
and
I'm
pleased
that
the
referral
motion
did
not
pass
because
we've
been
involved
in
this
for
a
number
of
years.
Actually,
when
it
was
licensing
committee
and-
and
we
worked
with
city
staff
on
that,
and
and
actually
it's
been
a
few
years
since
we
were
able
to
bring
the
forward
with
recommendations
and
we've
heard
a
lot
of
deputations
as
well.
A
During
that
process,
there
was
a
lot
of
work
put
into
this
report,
which
I
support
and
the
the
motions
that
have
been
passed
by
members
of
council
could
be
referred
back
to
staff
in
the
supplementary
report
coming
forward
to
planning
and
growth.
But
you
know,
council
prudes
up
made
a
comment
and
he's
absolutely
correct.
A
And
because
of
that,
you
know
we,
we've
worked
together
with
city
staff
and
and
brought
forward
the
report,
and
it's
because
of
that
is
why
we
are
where
we
are
today
and
we
have
to
hold
some
of
these
landlords
and
I'm
saying
there's
a
lot
of
landlords
out
there
that
are
very
good.
They.
You
know
they
work
with
the
city,
but
there
are
some
landlords
out
there
that
couldn't
care
less
and
unless
I
know
that
we
do
learn.
A
I
know
that
we
do
an
audit,
the
buildings,
but
what's
happening
within
the
in
suite
the
the
units
the
work
isn't
being
done,
and
so
the
only
the
only
time
we
hear
about
these
issues
is
that
tenants
call
property
standards.
They
call
3-1-1
to
come
and
investigate.
If
they
don't
have
any
cupboards,
they
don't
have
any
hot
water
or
they
have.
A
You
know
a
bed
bugs
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
those
issues
and
we've
really
need
to
hold
these
landlords
accountable
and
so
which
that
is
the
reason
I'm
supporting
this
report
and
a
number
of
the
motions
that
have
come
forward
and
report
back
at
a
later
date
at
at
planning
and
growth.
So
I
just
wanted
a
minute
make
those
comments,
because
I
was
involved
in
it
from
day
one
when
we
brought
this
board
a
licensing
committee
years
ago,
and
now
it's
here
today
for
approval.
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank.
R
So
this
one's
really
simple.
For
me,
it's
a
simple
question
about
which
side
are
you
on
which
Toronto
do
you
want?
Do
you
want
a
Toronto?
That's
a
great
place
to
live,
or
do
you
want
to
Toronto
that's
a
great
place
to
make
money
off
people
who
are
just
trying
to
find
somewhere
to
live?
It's
really
that
easy.
R
It
it
shocks
me
how
this
debate
suddenly
becomes
about
something
else.
Oh
no!
If
we
don't
make
it
good
for
entrepreneurs,
then
we'll
never
get
enough
housing.
It's
always
sort
of
there.
In
the
background
and
it's
funny
the
people
who
make
that
argument
always
forget
what
the
word
entrepreneur
means.
It
means
risk-taker
the
whole
notion
that
the
private
sector
can
be
counted
on
to
make
investments
to
build
apartment.
R
Buildings
is
based
on
a
market
theory
that
a
bunch
of
people
are
trying
to
make
money
and
they
go
make
investments
and
the
ones
who
are
the
most
efficient
at
it
make
a
profit
and
the
ones
who
are
inefficient
or
have
a
bad
profit.
A
brought
bad
product
lose
their
money
and
get
driven
out
of
the
market.
That's
market
theory!
That's
how
it's
supposed
to
work,
but
here
we
are
with
motions
to
refer
and
motions
to
take
the
risk
away
from
the
investor
by
making
the
tenant
have
to
carry
the
insurance.
R
It's
amazing
to
me
that
people
who
believe
that
the
private
sector
is
the
solution
do
everything
they
can
to
undermine
the
market
mechanism
by
taking
all
the
risk
out
by
saying.
Instead
of
guaranteeing
a
good
place
to
live,
we
need
to
guarantee
that
you
get
a
return
on
your
investment,
whether
you
have
a
good
product
or
a
crappy
product,
whether
you
hold
up
your
end
of
the
bargain
or
you
don't.
R
You
know
what
the
insurance
that
the
tenant
pays
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
become
homeless.
Is
it's
their
rent
they've
already
got
a
deal.
You
provide
the
housing
I
pay
the
rent,
the
fact
that
we
aren't
requiring
landlords
to
hold
up
their
end
of
the
bargain
to
meet
property
standards,
to
make
sure
that
the
fire
system
is
well
maintained
to
work
on
the
to
make
sure
you've
got
a
capital
repair
reserve,
all
those
things
that
are
written
into
rent
safe.
R
This
is
about
writing
the
balance
and
the
fact
that
there's
any
hesitation
about
writing
the
balance
is
deeply
concerning
to
me.
We
shouldn't
be
asking
the
province
to
offload
the
risk
of
a
fire
or
other
emergency
in
a
building
onto
the
tenant.
As
councillor
lies
motion,
does
we
should
be
asking
the
province
to
give
us
more
money,
so
we
can
build
social
housing,
because
obviously
the
private
market
won't
deliver
decent
housing
that
people
can
rely
on
and
we
have
to
bend
over
backwards
as
a
munis
municipality,
to
try
to
rebalance
that
market.
Q
You,
madam
Speaker
man,
speaking
reform
bill,
number
five!
You
and
I
share
something
in
common
before
bill
number
five,
our
two
warts
had
the
highest
tenant
populations.
We
were
more
tenants
and
owners,
so
we
both
spent
time
on
the
the
rent
bank
tenant
Defense
Committee.
But
you
know
it's
hard
for
me:
I
own,
a
home
now
and
it's
it's
hard
for
me
to
hold
a
frame
of
reference
for
what
renters
go
through
now
when
I
rent
it
I
I'm
gonna
upset
the
tenants
in
the
audience.
Q
Right
now
my
husband
and
I
went
when
we
were
young
and
renting
an
apartment.
We
paid
a
hundred
and
twenty
seven
a
month
to
live
right
across
the
street
from
the
D
LaSalle
football
field
on
Avenue
Road
127
a
month.
We
didn't
have
a
lot
of
money.
I
only
made
$18,000
a
year
as
a
bank
teller
and
my
husband
was
still
in
school,
so
that
was
it.
That
was
the
total
family
income
18
grand
that
meant
that
what
I
was
paying
in
rent
was
eight
and
a
half
percent
of
our
total
income.
Q
Eight
and
a
half
percent,
so
I
had
an
insurance
policy.
I.
Could
afford
it
was
only
paying
eight
and
a
half
percent
for
shelter.
That
was
all
in
everything,
but
my
phone,
that's
not
the
case
today.
You
want
tenants
to
fork
over
for
the
insurance
and
help
maintain
the
building.
First,
we're
gonna
have
to
get
the
landlord
to
fork
over
and
help
maintain
the
building
rid
it
of
its
bedbugs.
I
only
have
to
drive
around
my
ward
and
look
at
the
pile
of
mattresses
to
know
where
they
are.
Q
We
need
the
landlord
to
step
up.
He
needs
to
make
his
investment.
She
needs
to
make
her
investment.
God
knows
they're
clamoring
to
own
these.
They
buy
them
in
whatever
condition
they're
in
because
they
are
according
to
The
Globe
and
Mail's
investment
papers,
the
single
best
investment
in
real
estate.
You
can
make
right
now
they're
running
out
of
buildings,
to
buy
they're
dying,
to
buy
any
building.
Q
Heaven
knows
they
will
continue
to
make
money,
flipping
them
and
transacting
them
and
just
making
money.
Every
time
every
REIT
in
Canada's
got
some
apartment
buildings
every
single
one.
They
love
them,
we're
just
asking
that
they
take
some
of
their
mega
profits
and
invest
in
the
lives
of
the
tenants
inside
those
buildings
by
making
those
buildings
liveable.
Q
That's
what
this
item
is
about
and
if
the
landlord
Association
lobbyists
can't
get
that
and
think
they
have
to
lobby
against
that,
then
somehow
this
business
is
going
to
fall
apart
on
them,
because
we're
gonna
start
to
look
to
new
models.
We're
gonna
start
to
look
to
when
we
build
affordable
buildings
will
own
them,
because
we
can't
trust
you
anymore.
Q
Private
landlords,
so
we'll
just
have
to
build
them
ourselves
and
own
them
and
take
responsibility
for
them,
or
you
can
take
responsibility
for
your
assets
right
now
and
we
can
have
a
happy
working
relationship
and
people
get
to
live
with
dignity
inside
your
buildings.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank
you.
A
O
Viola,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
do
want
to
thank
staff.
I
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
put
in
into
this
report,
not
only
for
this
report,
but
actually
over
the
last
few
years,
as
many
people
have
said,
this
has
been
a
discussion
at
committees,
different
committees,
tenants,
committees
that
we
have
a
community
development
and
and
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
work
that
will
continue,
there's
more
reports
that
are
coming.
We
need
to
be
vigilant
on
this
issue.
O
We
need
to
continue
to
work
with
the
stakeholders
and
we
need
to
continue
to
improve
the
program.
I.
Think
if
there's
one
lesson
that
we
learned
is
that
we
can't
just
create
this
program,
walk
away,
think
that
all
issues
are
solved.
We
have
to
be
able
to
be
critical,
critical
of
ourselves
and
say
we
can
do
better
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
talking
to
our
stakeholders
and
saying
we're
not
doing
as
good
as
we're
supposed
to.
O
We
need
to
do
a
bit
better
and
that's
where
what
we
are
acknowledging
in
here.
I
also
want
to
take
just
to
thank
the
the
tenants
that
have
come
to
all
these
consultations
of
the
organizations
that
put
their
their
opinions,
their
efforts,
and
most
of
them
are
volunteers
as
well,
but
I
do
also
want
to
thank
landlords
and,
unlike
councillor
perks,
I,
don't
think
this
is
a
discussion
about
which
side
you're
on
I
think
we
do
need
good
landlords.
That's
what
we
need
it's.
O
O
If
there
is
an
issue
in
a
building
that
there's
a
tools
to
us
to
solve
those
issues
in
that
chat,
you
know
that
there's
a
secure
of
a
tenure
in
that
building
that
they
can.
You
know
that
they
can
stay
in
there
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that,
even
if
you,
you
know,
you
live
in
a
very
low
income
that
you
have
a
decent
home
to
live
in.
That's
all
we're
asking
in
here
is
that
we
have
the
tools
as
a
government
to
protect
our
tenants
for
them
to
have
a
decent
home.
O
So
I
think
this
is
a
report
that
we
will
continue
to
fine-tune
with
our
tenants
but
needs
to
be
moved
ahead.
We
have
these
big
issues
that
we
need
to
deal
as
a
city.
We
have
a
very
tight
rental
market
that
creates,
you
know
a
lot
of
risks
for
our
tenants
and
we
have
to
be
conscious
as
that
we
have
a
climate
situation.
O
Some
of
these,
these
towers
are
the
biggest
polluters
as
well
in
our
city,
and
so,
if
we
want
to
address
some
of
these
issues,
we
need
to
work
with
landlords
and
tenants
to
give
them
good
quality
of
life,
to
make
sure
that
we
tackle
these
issues
and
we
work
together
with
all
our
stakeholders,
so
I
hope
that
that
we
move
this
this
forward
and
and
that
we
think
about
it
carefully.
I
have
to
say
there
were
two
issues:
I've
spoken
to
both
the
landlords
and
I
spoken
with
tenants
and
some
colleagues
of
mine.
O
Actually
that
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this,
because
there
were
two
issues
that
you
know:
I
had
to
put
my
two
hats
on
and
think
about
it:
one
was
it
did
the
dime
safe
and
our
staffs
alerted
it
for
some
of
the
concerns
that
they
have
about
stigmas.
Ation
about
with
people
and
I
spoke
with
some
of
the
people
and
said
no.
It
is
really
important
that
we
alert
the
tenants
and
we
alert
the
community
of
how
these
buildings
are
doing.
O
Think
our
mayor,
within
his
questioning,
put
put
it
really
well,
I
think
there's
three
three
people
that
are
going
to
be
have
to
pay,
that
is
the
the
tenant,
the
landlord
and
and
and
our
us
and
I,
think
that
you
know
if
a
hotel
has
a
fire,
we're
not
gonna
run
to
you,
know,
house
everybody
and
say
here
my
hotel,
I'm
gonna
pay
all
your
your
costs
as
a
city.
We're
gonna
pay
all
your
costs.
Well,
obviously,
we
work
with
them
if
it's
an
emergent
situation,
but
we
expect
to
have
that
cost
recovered.
O
So
should
we
as
a
landlord,
it's
it's
their
business.
We
understand
that
that
there's
risks
we
understand
that
we
should
cooperate
with
them,
maybe
to
work
with
the
insurance
industry
to
have
some
products
that
protects
them
as
well.
I
think
that
we
will
be
more
than
willing
to
do
that.
We've
done
it
with
other
industries,
we've
done
it
with
uber,
there's
no
insurance
product
and
we've
done
any
kid.
O
A
F
F
For
that
matter,
we
need
private
sector
money
and
ingenuity
and
ideas
and
investment
to
help
to
make
that
happen,
and
that
is
why
I
sort
of
reject
the
notion,
as
they
do
on
many
things,
that
we
have
to
polarize
it
into
saying
whose
side
you're
on,
because
the
fact
of
the
matter
is-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
the
failing
of
the
marketplace,
because
there
are
failings
of
the
marketplace,
lots
of
them
all
the
time.
It's
not
perfect
that
there
are
people
today
and
we
could
identify
who
they
are
I've
been
in
the
buildings.
F
It's
always
every
member
of
this
council
who
are
operating
within
the
rules,
keeping
their
buildings
in
good
repair.
You
know,
following
all
the
rules,
whatever
they
may
be,
and
still
making
a
profit
and
and
thereby
having
the
money
available
to
invest
in
their
buildings
and
keep
them
in
good
repair,
because
the
whole
thing
goes
in
a
circle.
F
Yes
and
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
that
councillor
person
I've
had
these
debates
before,
just
like
him
saying
and
I,
don't
want
to
put
words
in
his
mouth
that
we
don't
need
and
shouldn't
have
any
foreign
investment
I
think
that's
a
point
of
view
with
which
I
completely
absolutely
a
hundred
percent
disagree
and
I
also
do
I
would
disagree
with
him
if
he
would
say
that
we
don't
need
landlords
that
can
earn
a
return
on
their
investment
cuz.
Everybody
needs
to
earn
a
return
on
their
investment
or
they
won't
make
it.
F
F
The
buildings
that
they
didn't
earn
a
return
but
they've
chosen
to
do
that
at
the
expense
of
the
living
conditions
of
the
people
who
live
in
those
buildings
and
I
would
just
argue,
that's
not
necessary,
but,
like
so
many
things
we
end
up
doing
here
and
other
governments
do
you
have
to
regulate,
to
try
and
deal
with
the
people
who
don't
act
properly,
as
opposed
to
those
who
do,
and
that
is
why
I
would
come
to
saying
that
I'm
not
troubled
by
this
package
of
things
that
are
brought
forward
here.
What
do
we
have
here?
F
We
have
requirements
that
say
that
the
building
evaluation
document
has
to
be
displayed
somewhere.
Well,
that
isn't
a
big
hardship
to
take
the
document
that
you
get
from
the
evaluation,
you're
building
and
put
it
on
the
bulletin
board
or
whatever.
We
have
a
requirement
that
we
should
have
a
schedule
of
pest
control,
services
that
are
shown
to
people
I,
don't
think,
that's
a
big
hardship,
because
I
guess,
if
they're,
not
posting
a
schedule,
it
might
imply
there
isn't
one
and-
and
there
probably
should
be
one
of
debt.
F
In
fact,
there
definitely
should
be
one
of
the
places
where
it's
happened
require
the
landlord
to
develop
and
maintain
a
capital
plan
for
each
rental
building
a
five-year
forecast,
the
good
ones,
the
good
ones
that
I
refer
to
that
actually
operate
in
a
businesslike
way.
Out
of
consideration
for
their
own
asset
leave
alone.
The
tenants
who
should
be
their
first
concern
have
such
a
schedule.
They
have
it
because
that's
what
part
of
running
a
good
business
is
all
about.
F
We're
not
talking
here
about
the
shangri-la
or
about
a
luxury
condo,
just
a
place
to
put
your
head
on
a
hello
when
your
building
has
had
a
fire
and-
and
you
have
only
the
three
options-
I
haven't
heard.
Anybody
suggest
there
are
any
other
options
other
than
the
government
could
pay.
The
tenants
could
pay
or
the
landlords
could
pay
or
be
responsible
for
is
a
better
way
to
put
it
through
insurance
or
otherwise.
F
For
that
I
don't
have
any
trouble
answering
that
question
and
what
is
put
here
in
the
absence
of
a
an
answer
that
we
have
yet
don't
have
from
our
solicitor
in
which,
which
that's,
why
I'll
support
councilor
prutas
resolution
on
getting
an
opinion
on
that?
The
answer
is
fairly
straightforward
as
to
who
should
take
responsibility
for
that,
and
that
is
where
it
councillor,
perks
and
I
would
agree
on
saying
when
you
sign
the
agreement
and
when
you
pay
the
rent.
A
A
E
E
There
a
difference
between
the
planning
controls
that
are
around
stock
townhouses
in
the
way
that
we
treat
them
in
our
DC
bylaw,
and
what
I'm
getting
at
is
in
areas
of
the
city.
The
zoning
says
you
can
have
townhouses
and
if
I
got
it
correct
that
townhouses
fall
within
the
permissions
of
the
broader
townhouse
category,
stacked
townhouses.
If
I
got
that
right,
I.
E
G
E
S
We're
it
through
the
speaker
were
able
to
get
statistics
on
the
average
occupancy
of
units
and
our
development
charges
are
based
on
the
number
of
people
that
tend
to
live
in
that
built
form.
And
so
we
have
made
that
distinction
a
stack
town
as
this
could
be
numerous
levels
up
and
in
that
they
attract
a
tendency.
That's
more
akin
to
an
apartment
than
a
multiple
is.
S
E
S
E
I
got
my
understanding
right
that
the
principle
of
DC's
is
to
recover
costs
of
building
the
city
around
the
increase
in
population.
So
is
there
not
an
inconsistency
or
a
conflict
with
the
concept
that,
if
we're
building
an
intense
form
such
as
stock
townhouses,
it
could
have
a
larger
draw
in
the
system
and
therefore
we
would
want
to
collect
higher
development
charges.
S
E
S
E
R
I
just
want
to
maybe
try
to
get
where
councillor
holiday
was
going.
If
we
have
many
units
on
a
property,
we
collect
more
development
charges,
because
each
unit
gets
a
development
charge
and
that's
the
way
we
carry
the
cost
of
having
all
those
units.
That's
absolutely
correct.
Okay,
so
the
ground-
and
you
said
ground
related
units-
tend
to
have
more
people,
that's
correct,
because
they,
you
know
they
probably
have
kids
or
whatever
that's
more
common.
R
Yes,
so
the
cost
to
the
city
of
providing
the
services
for
those
additional
people
is
larger
than
an
apartment
unit
with
one
person
or
a
couple
two
or
three
stories
up
it
good
speaker,
that's
the
general
idea
and
that's
why
we
would
distinguish
between
back-to-back
townhouses
and
apartment
buildings
and
charge
more
for
back-to-back
townhouses
than
we
do
for
apartment
units.
That
is
correct.
So,
basically,
what's
what
seems
to
be
happening
here?
Is
the
applicant
decided
to
try
to
get
the
lower
development
charge
and
save
some
money
for
themselves?
R
And
we
reviewed
their
appeal
and
based
on
that
review
of
the
appeal
and
looking
at
what
the
applicant
applied
for
and
how
we
treat
everybody
else.
Who
does
what
this
applicant
is
doing?
We've
decided
no
we're
gonna
treat
these
back-to-back
townhouses,
not
as
apartment
buildings.
That's
correct,
okay,
I
think
I
understand
this.
Thank
you.
S
Yes,
through
the
speaker
under
the
development
charges,
Act
there's
a
provision
for
complaints
to
be
registered
with
the
municipality.
If
there's
a
question
of
interpretation
of
the
bylaw,
and
so
when
we
receive
these
complaints,
we
acknowledge
them.
We
undertake
to
review
them
and
respond
to
the
applicant
in
a
reasonable
period
of
time,
if
they're
unhappy
with
the
response-
and
it
is
determined
that
this
is
a
legitimate
question
of
interpretation-
they
are
given
the
opportunity
to
have
a
hearing
at
which
the
city
conducts
at
its
executive
committee.
D
S
Through
the
speaker
in
2018,
we
we
recovered
over
700
million
through
development
charges
and
I
believe
there
were
approximately
40,000
units
permitted
that
resulted
in
those
charges.
The
number
of
complaints
we
receive
is
relatively
small,
and
our
objective
is
to
treat
them
fairly
and
instantly.
We
met
with
this
applicant
on
three
occasions,
and
so
at
that
point,
though,
our
our
objective
is
to
enforce
the
bylaw
and
ensure
that
it's
it's
been
applied
properly.
So.
D
S
S
S
L
L
S
L
S
L
S
Through
the
speaker,
well,
we
do
receive
a
number
of
complaints.
They.
The
way
they're
resolved
will
depend
on
the
specific
circumstances
and
the
time
it
takes
to
resolve
them
under
the
Act.
There
is
a
requirement
that
a
complaint
is
registered
within
a
period
of
making
the
payment
I
believe
it's
90
days
and.
S
S
S
Through
the
speaker,
the
the
payee
of
a
development
charge
is
the
developer.
Yes,
in
some
cases
in
purchase
and
sale
agreements,
a
portion
of
the
DC's,
particularly
if
there
is
an
increase
between
the
purchase
and
sale
and
closing
a
portion
of
any
increase
in
that
period,
can
be
the
responsibility
of
the
purchaser.
But
typically,
this
is
a
payment
made
by
the
developer,
not
by
the
occupant
or
buyer.
No.
D
I
understand
that,
but
if
a
developer
is
constructing
a
development,
a
property,
all
the
costs
associated
with
respect
to
that
development
is
apportioned
and
assigned
based
on
the
valuation
that
you're
paying
for
in
this
case,
let's
say
a
unit
that
would
incorporate
all
the
costs
of
the
developers
will
be
paying.
Will
that
be
correct?.
D
D
So
if
the
developer
were
to
recover
or
if
we
were
today
to
say
that
the
funds
that
the
developer
is
seeking,
that
we
would
return
those
some
developer,
assuming
that
the
payments
that
have
been
made
by
the
purchasers
or
purchasers
as
one
some
portions
of
those
funds
comes
from
amounts
that
are
being
paid
to
the
developer.
Would
they
be
getting
a
refund?
If
the
developer
was
successful,
our.
G
M
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
When
the
developer
came
into
to
put
for
the
readjustment
or
to
ask
for
money
back,
did
he
show
a
case
that
he
might
be
right
because
of
the
way
the
development
was
done
and
other
developments
similar
to
this
like
apartment
buildings?
This
could
be
considered
an
apartment
building.
He
put
this
case
forward.
Would
that
be
correct?
Absolutely
okay,
so
there
is
to
to
what
he's
submitted
to
us.
There
is
a
case
that
has
to
be
addressed
or
a
case
that
has
to
be
looked
at
a
little
bit
more
thorough.
S
Through
the
speaker-
yes,
yes,
counselor,
and
we
did
undertake
a
very
thorough
review.
As
I
said,
we
met
with
the
developer
or
their
agents
through
on
three
occasions,
although
I
think
we
were
unwavering
in
our
view
that
the
built
form
is
not
only
in
appearance
back
to
back
townhouses,
but
it
just
does
not
meet
the
test
under
the
bylaw
to
be
considered
an
apartment
unit
under
for
DC
purposes.
I.
S
Through
the
speaker,
the
these
are
ground-level
units
back
to
back
with
underground
parking.
There
is
a
common
underground
corridor
accessed
from
the
parking
garage
through
which
people
may
access
their
units
and
that
underground
corridor
has
two
exits
to
the
ground
level.
That
I
understood
from
the
applicant
were
required
for
fire
purposes
and
the
applicant
contended
that
those
those
exits
from
the
corridor
would
work
should
be
considered.
The
principal
entrance
or
principal
common,
accurate
entrance
to
the
units
and
therefore
they
would
be
considered
an
apartment,
is.
S
M
D
The
speaker
I'm,
the
configuration
of
these
back-to-back
townhouse
units
is
such
that
they
from
the
outside.
They
look
like
regular
row.
Housing
type
units
that
are
but
configured
back-to-back
each
unit
has
its
own
set
of
steps.
It
goes
up
to
the
front
porch,
which
is
the
principal
entrance
that
you
enter
from
great,
but
you
also
have
a
secondary
access
from
the
below
grade
parking
that
takes
you
into
the
unit,
but
it's
unique
I
haven't
for
from
my
experience.
I
have
not
seen
not
my
understanding
is
in
this
design.
M
D
M
This
something
that
we
like
to
encourage
I,
think
you
said
some
about
safety
aspects
and
all
this
is
something
that
we'd
like
to
encourage
future
developers
to
look
at
and
probably
bring
forward
in
order
to
make
sure
that
you
know
all
the
the
fire
regulations
and
we
certainly
enhance
the
living
conditions
of
our
residents.
Is
this
something
that
we
like
to
encourage
or
discourage
I.
D
D
D
Next
piece
that
I'd
add
to
that
is,
whenever
anyone's
building
any
type
of
housing,
type
or
any
housing
type
or
any
building,
they
are
required
by
law
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
Building
Code,
which
addresses
fire
and
life
safety
and
exiting
from
the
unit.
So
any
building
that
would
be
built.
This
way
would
be
required
to
do
this.
M
M
S
I'm
sorry,
councillor,
I
can't
speak
for
the
for
the
planners.
I
would
say,
though,
that
all
housing
in
Toronto
contributes
to
the
supply
and
affordability
issues
and
we,
as
I
said
in
2018
charge
development
charges
on
some
40,000
units.
So
it's
relevant
also
that
the
city
recover
its
capital
costs
in
a
consistent
and
uniform
way
in,
in
order
for
it
to
provide
the
infrastructure
that
these
new
units
require.
Thank.
M
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
do
have
a
motion.
If
staff
can
put
it
up,
please,
madam
Speaker,
the
only
thing
that
I'm
asking
for
this
item
to
be
dealt
with
in
December
17th
18th
of
next
council
meeting,
whether
we
go
through
it
today,
make
a
decision
or
we
don't
it's
immaterial
and
the
council
to
have
an
opportunity
to
make
it
its
own
line.
However,
we
did
hear
clearly
that
this
is
something
that
this
kind
of
this
kind
of
development
is
something
that
we
like
to
encourage
and
I
like
the
opportunity.
M
I
was
not
able
to
go
to
the
executive
committee
to
speak
to
it
when
this
matter
was
in
front
of
the
executive
committee,
I
like
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
my
colleagues
in
about
this
and
bring
to
their
attention
the
kind
of
development
there
isn't
and
see.
If
we
can
move
forward
either
to
encourage
them
or
discourage
part
of
the
development.
So
this
is
all
I'm
asking
for
that.
It
be
deferred
to
the
17th
or
18th.
The
outcome
of
this
would
not
make
any
difference.
M
R
M
As
we
heard
that
there's
a
different
way
of
building
here,
yeah
that
probably
the
developer
would
like
to
come
and
meet
you
in
and
explain
to
you
and
then
either
we,
whether
he
pays
or
not,
but
it's
something
that
we
might
in
the
next
report
of
planning
and
development
so
that
we
encourage
builders
to
build.
This
will
make
it
safer
for
the
people
in
the
garage
and
all
that
stuff.
So
I
like
this
opportunity
to
to
to
come
to
speak
to
the
councillors
and
on
this
issue.
This
is
a
matter
of.
M
M
Me
the
issue
that
the
building
was
done.
It
could
be
looked
as
an
apartment
building
if
this
was
looked
up
in
a
part
as
an
apartment.
Building
that
would
not
have
been
incurred.
These
costs
and
I
like
for
us
to
do
individually,
if
I
may
reach
out
to
your
office,
to
set
up
an
appointment
for
him
to
be
explained
to
explain
it
to
so
I'm
asking
for
a
month's
referral,
whether
we
move
forward
right
now
with
this
or
we
move
later
on,
it's
fun
in
the
same,
they
did
make
me
changes
so.
G
L
L
Like
Wyatt
wired,
I
guess,
madam
Speaker
counsel
has
counsel,
has
limited
and
finite
resources
and
for
us
to
to
be
asked
to
to
defer
this
item
so
that
there
could
be
extra
lobbying
efforts
to
come.
Speak
to
us,
madam
Speaker,
I'm,
just
I
think
I'm,
just
not
very
keen
to
hear
from
a
developer
on
why
they
should
be
released
from
these
development
charges.
So.
M
You
don't
have
to
listen
to
them
if
you
don't
want
to
the
only
thing
that
I'm
looking
for
is
the
opportunity
to
reach
out
to
you
and
have
them
speak
to
you.
I
was
not
able
to
go
to
the
executive
committee.
Therefore,
I
feel
that
the
residents
in
my
area
and
these
folks
were
not
being
able
to
be
heard
and
I'm
looking
for
that
opportunity.
So,
in
due
respect,
if
you'd
like
to
give
me
that
opportunity,
I
would
greatly
appreciate
it.
Thank.
Q
Madam
Speaker
do
I
have
the
floor.
Yes,
you
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilors
say,
executive
committee
got
a
great
presentation
from
the
developers,
visual
aids
and
all
and
they've
built
a
great
product.
They
they
have
built
according
to
policy
that
we
have
ambition
for
that.
We
reduce
the
amount
of
pavement
on
sites
that
we
take
parking
underground
and
create
more
green
space.
That's
part
of
our
policy
for
planning
and
development
and
something
we'd
like
to
see
in
townhouse
form,
but
that's
that's
about
planning
in
the
Official,
Plan,
etc,
etc,
etc.
Q
Development
charges
is
about
infrastructure
and
what
is
the
density
on
the
site
and
and
amongst
how
many
inhabitants
are
you
able
to
divide
the
cost
of
that
infrastructure?
And
how
much
do
you
have
to
ask
of
the
developer
based
on
what
they're
building
now
the
fact
that
they
have
built
an
interesting
entrance
between
their
back-to-back
townhouses
for
their
underground
parking
is
laudable?
It
just
doesn't
happen
to
change
anything
about
our
development
charge
by
law
and
why
we
should
suddenly
start
calling
a
town
house
an
apartment.
Q
We
want
to
encourage
tower
renewal
concepts.
We
want
to
encourage
town
houses
to
be
developed
wherever
we
have
lots
of
places
we're
in
a
tower
in
a
park
scenario,
we're
adding
townhouses
and
they're
sharing
underground
parking
today,
you're
deciding
whether
or
not
you're
just
gonna
call
it
all
apartments
and
be
done
with
it.
On
this
application
you
would
lose
between
seven
hundred
and
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars,
and
so
on
and
so
on
and
so
on,
and
so
on.
Q
That's
the
danger
when
we
contradict
staff
and
make
a
political
decision
about
development
charges,
because
heaven
knows
townhouses
in
the
real
estate
market
are
hot.
When
we
build
those
developments,
you
know
speculators
whomever.
Eventually
you
sell
all
the
condos
in
the
tower,
the
40
or
so
townhouses
go
like
that
on
every
site,
every
large
site,
where
we
add
some
townhouses
along
they
sell
like
hotcakes
but
they're
different
to
service.
Often
we
set
up
a
separate
condo
board
for
them
and
all
of
their
infrastructure
considerations
are
separate
and
that's
what
staff
told
Executive
Committee.
Q
So,
despite
hearing
about
this
interesting
entrance
to
the
underground
parking,
Mara
Torre
and
the
executive
committee
made
the
right
decision
and
I
honestly
cannot
see
looking
at
this
picture,
driving
by
it
as
I
do
on
the
way
to
my
dad's
I.
Just
don't
see
how
I
just
don't
see
how
the
verdict
changes
in
deferring
for
a
month.
Q
The
developer
had
his
day
in
court,
so
to
speak.
He
made
his
own
in-person
presentation
to
all
of
the
members
of
executive
and
meritorious
sat
there
with
rapt
attention
and
listen
to
everything
he
had
to
say,
and
then
the
committee
made
the
decision
based
on
the
development
charges,
what
we
need
them
to
do
for
us
and
why
we
have
to
uphold
our
own
by
so
I,
won't
be
supporting
deferral,
I'm,
glad
that
council
didn't
I
will
be
supporting
and
upholding
the
decision
of
our
executive.