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City Council, meeting 44, July 26, 2018 - Part 1 of 2
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A
B
Well,
madam
Speaker,
thank
you
and
good
morning
to
members
of
council
and
good
morning
to
the
Wolfpack,
a
group
that
are
here
this
morning
and
I
will
introduce
them.
Josh
McCrone
captain.
If
you
can
each
stand
as
I,
introduce
you,
so
people
can
make
sure
to
recognize
Bob,
Bestwick
who's,
one
of
our
players,
Blake
Wallace,
also,
a
player
Paul
Rowley,
the
head
coach,
Simon,
Finnegan
assistant,
coach,
Curt,
Haggerty,
assistant,
coach
and
last
but
not
least,
Rennie
Matua,
who
is
the
rugby
operations
manager?
B
And
you
know
I'll
tell
you
a
story
because
really
the
story
starts
with
councillor,
Jay,
Robinson
and
Jay.
If
you
want
to
come
up
here
councillor,
she
said
to
me
way
back
when
I
guess
it
has
to
be
at
least
two
years
ago
that
there
was
this
group
that
we're
forming
up
a
rugby
team
for
Toronto
and
I'm
sort
of
thinking.
What
and
what
league
are
they
gonna
play?
B
And
she
then
told
me
the
next
unlikely
thing,
which
is:
they
were
actually
gonna,
be
a
Toronto
based
team
playing
in
a
league
that
was
by
and
large
across
the
pond,
with
most
of
the
games
being
played
in
England
I'm
beginning
to
think.
Well,
this
sounds
even
more
unlikely
and
I
said:
where
are
they
gonna
play
their
games
in
Toronto,
and
then
they
said
LAN
port
stadium
and
as
much
as
we're
proud
to
own
it
and
it's
the
host
to
a
lot
of
the
Caribbean
carnival
events
and
so
on.
I
thought
to
myself.
B
Well,
you
know
that's
a
pretty
big
stadium
for
a
team,
that's
never
been
heard
of
and
so
forth
and
so
on.
But
lo
and
behold,
the
people
who
were
there
that
day
at
the
press
conference
Jay
convinced
me
to
go
to
the
press
conference
to
announce
the
formation
of
this
team
and
I
was
even
that
day
thinking.
B
Well,
this
still
seems
pretty
unlikely
and
are
they
gonna
sell
the
tickets
and
they
were
very
full
of
enthusiasm
and
energy
that
day,
because
in
previous
rugby
games,
probably
instigated
by
our
friend
Mike
Williams
over
here,
they'd
actually
had
been
not
a
bad
turnout
at
some
of
the
different
things
that
were
Canadian
championship,
games
and
so
forth.
But
to
have
a
professional
team
that
had
to
charge
you
know
admission
prices
to
cover
their
costs.
It
just
seemed
unlikely.
B
Well,
I
will
just
tell
you
before
we
skip
to
their
record
of
accomplishment
that
I've
gone
to
some
of
the
games,
and
it
is
a
crowd
more
like
a
Toronto
FC
crowd,
it's
just
people
having
immense
amounts
of
fun.
Most
the
younger
people,
it's
a
whole
different
scene
and
it
brings
that
stadium
to
life,
and
it
underlines
to
me
the
need
for
us
at
some
point
in
time
to
make
the
decision
to
invest
properly
in
that
place
because
there
are
uses
to
which
that
can
be
put
in
that
part
of
town.
B
But
the
bottom
line
is
regardless
of
where
they
played.
They
played
well
and
an
unlikely
situation
turned
into
another
championship.
Team
for
Toronto
and
in
the
Rugby,
World
and
I,
didn't
understand
much
of
this
myself,
but
winning
the
championship
where
you
are
promote
you
to
the
next
league
up.
So
it's
not
the
ultimate
aspiration,
but
it
sure
was
a
great
start
and
it
sort
of
cemented
this
thing.
B
In
fact,
I
will
tell
you
that
I
kidded
the
mayor
of
Edmonton
recently
when
we
were
at
one
of
the
big
city
mayors
meetings
because
they
said
they'd
taken
their
sign.
That
said,
welcome
to
Edmonton
the
city
of
Champions
and
put
it
in
storage
and
I
told
him.
Well,
perhaps
we
could
you
could
you
could
loan
it
to
us
or
give
it
to
us,
and
we
could
just
simply
change
the
name
and
put
it
up
here
because
of
course,
we've
had
such
you
know
success
with
much
more
to
come.
B
So
last
year
their
Wolfpack
won
the
Rugby
Football
League
League
One
leader
shield
and
the
rfl
League
One
title
and
that
earned
them
a
promotion.
So
this
year
the
team
was
promoted
to
the
betfred
championship,
which
is
a
higher
League
where
they
earned
the
championship.
Leaders
shield,
by
defeating
the
Sheffield
Eagles
68,
for
a
real
squeaker,
a
real
squeaker
there.
B
They
squeaked
out
a
win
68
to
4
at
Lambert
field
on
July.
The
7th-
and
this
is
the
team's
third
trophy
in
two
seasons
of
existence
and
they've
earned
a
spot
in
the
postseason
Super.
Eight
qualifiers
and
they'll
be
competing
for
another
league
promotion
into
the
rfl
Super
League,
which
is
considered
the
top
level
for
professional
rugby
in
the
world,
and
so
I
just
want
to
first
of
all
acknowledge
the
role
that
councillor
Jay
Robinson
did
play
and
giving
them
the
early
encouragement.
B
The
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is
this
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
fans
and
I've
had
a
chance
to
sort
of
see
the
fact
that
my
port
stadium
really
is
getting
filled
up
and
it
was
from
the
beginning.
You
know
wasn't
that
there
was
like
you
know,
604
people
for
the
first
game.
There
was
a
good
crowd
and
the
crowds
have
built
up
as
the
Wolfpack
have
done
better
or
better.
The
team
is
fully
invested
in
our
city
and
that's
thing.
B
And
so
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
do
today
was
to
say
thank
you
for
bringing
pride
to
the
city
in
the
Rugby,
World
and
I'm
sure
they're
getting
written
up
over
season.
We
don't
even
see
it
and
that's
good
for
Toronto
as
well
to
be
written
up
in
the
rugby
write-ups
overseas
and
we're
kicking
kicking
butt
on
and
I
hope,
they're
writing
that
up
too
and
so
keep
up
the
great
work
I
encourage
all
the
people
who
are
watching
at
home
today,
but
also
all
the
members
of
council.
B
If
you
haven't
been
to
go
and
try
a
game
because
there
are
tons
of
fun
and
I
just
want
to
ask
Paul
to
come
up
here,
I
think
he's
got
the
champion
one
of
the
many
championship
trophies
with
him
and
the
and
and
if
he
wants
to
come
and
bring
that
up
here,
I
think
he
may
even
want
to
say
a
word
or
two,
but
we
are
proud
of
you
and
we
congratulate
you
and
we
thank
you
for
coming
here
today.
Never
come
on
up.
Then
yeah,
you
see
all
it's
a
good
ideas.
C
E
Mr.
moon,
distinguished
guests,
just
on
behalf
of
Toronto
wolf
park,
I
think
it's
a
huge
pleasure
to
be
invited
here
today.
As
mr.
Merz
said,
I
was
there
at
the
press
conference
when
we
launched
the
thing,
and
it
was
a
very
proud
moment-
and
this
city's
continued
to
provide
me
and
the
team
with
with
proud
moments
and
to
be
accepted
within
the
rich
tapestry
of
Toronto
sport
in
history
and
rubbed
shoulders
with
your
great
sporting
teams
is
his
magnificent
for
us
and
very,
very
proud
achievement
for
our
boys.
E
So,
on
behalf
of
the
boys
and
all
our
staff,
everybody
on
the
field
and
off
the
field
we'll
continue
to
do
our
best
and
represent
the
city
in
their
the
best
way
we
possibly
can.
But
we
thank
you
from
the
bottom
of
our
for
all
the
support
and
acceptance
that
you
in
your
city
have
provided
to
me
my
team.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Cheers.
B
B
Have
one
more
thing
to
add,
madam
Speaker,
if
I
might
and
I
think
by
the
way,
I
think
Grimes
had
something
to
do
with
any
sporting
event,
he
did
I
forget
he
was
involved
early
on
as
well
and
I.
Thank
him
for
that.
Madam
Speaker.
Just
in
case
we
finished
today
and
I
would
just
add
an
editorial
comment
that
there
is
absolutely
no
reason
whatsoever
why
we
couldn't
finish
by
8
o'clock.
B
If
we
all
cooperate
together
to
get
our
business
done
and
have
people
say
what
they
need
to
say,
but
just
in
case
or
if
we
finish
later
or
whatever
I
didn't
want
to
miss
the
opportunity
and
I
gather.
This
has
been
done
before
by
mayor's
at
the
end
of
a
term
as
we
reach
the
end
of
the
last
council
meeting
of
the
term.
B
I
want
to
begin
actually
by
saying
thank
you
to
the
council,
because
again
we
all
these
things
take
ohan
in
here
and
there's
debates
that
happened,
and
things
said
about
us
frankly
and
the
media
and
that's
fair
enough,
but
I
think
we
have
I'm
actually
amazed
because
I,
as
you
know,
I
had
some
experience
working
in
the
provincial
government
in
the
legislature,
but
also
in
the
Premier's
office.
Many
many
years
ago
and
I
think
the
amount
that
actually
does
get
done
here
is
remarkable
in
terms
of
the
business
that
gets
done.
B
If
you
look
at
the
size
of
these
agendas
and
the
fact
that,
while
the
meetings
probably
do
last
longer
for
a
variety
of
reasons
than
they
might
otherwise,
that
there's
a
lot
that
gets
done
for
people
in
here.
If
you
even
look
at
the
granular
nature
of
some
of
the
items,
they're
very
granular
and
they're,
very
local,
but
they're
very
important
to
people
who
live
in
that
particular
part
of
town
and
others
more
important
to
the
to
the
well-being
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
And
so
I
just
want
to
say.
B
It
was
then
the
smaller
City
of
Toronto,
Council,
but
and
and
and
Francis,
will
know,
because
we
talked
about
this-
and
many
of
you
talk
to
me
about
this
and
they
weren't
sure
I
mean
and-
and
you
know
about
whether
it
would
be
the
right
choice
and
Francis
and
I
had
quite
a
long
conversation
and-
and
it
was
just
a
conversation
that
sort
of
said
look.
I
really
wanted
to
bring
a
better
tone
to
the
discussions
here,
and
it
was
a
contribution
of
the
councillors,
the
mayor
and
the
speaker
that
had
to
achieve
that.
B
But
the
speaker
was
an
indispensable
part
of
making
sure
that
happened
and
I
think
that
that
has
happened
and
I
say
to
the
media
and
other
citizens
when
they
asked
me
about
this
from
time
to
time
we
haven't
yet
achieved
the
probably
the
state
we
should,
and
we
certainly
have
an
achieve
perfection
on
that.
But
I
think
things
have
been
better
in
terms
of
the
productivity
and
the
general
tone.
Most
of
the
time
in
here,
I
will
tell
you:
I
get
the
unique
opportunity
of
being
the
seat
mate
to
councillor.
B
I
came
in
here,
but
so
I.
Thank
a
big
thank
you
to
this
group
as
well
as
we
hopefully
do.
We
just
didn't
want
to
run
the
risk
of
ending
up
at
11
o'clock
tonight.
We
can't
finish
at
8:00
and
having
half
the
people,
not
here
and
and
not
be
able
to
say,
say.
Thank
you
to
the
council.
Thank
you
to
the
clerk's
table,
but
in
particular
thank
you
to
you
for
a
job.
A
A
A
Thank
you
to
all
and
I
think
this
term
was
a
lot
more
smoother
than
the
past
term,
and
and
thanks
to
you
and
you
know,
from
members
of
council,
even
though
we
don't
agree
all
the
time,
I
think
there's
that
respect,
which
is
so
important
for
all
of
us
here
in
the
council
chamber.
So
thank
you,
but
special
thanks
to
the
clerk
and
the
clerk
staff.
They're
amazing
they're,
amazing.
A
When,
when
when
the
clerk
is
trying
to
put
forward
these
members,
motions
and
amendments-
and
you
know
put
it
all
together-
you
know
it's
it's
very
difficult-
I
can
I
can
tell
that
it's
very
difficult
for
them.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
support
as
well
in
the
past
four
years,
and
thank
you,
you
Lee
for
this
book
and
every
day,
I
the
cut
guide
and
I'm,
not
gonna,
read
the
title:
it's
on
parliamentary
and
I.
A
F
You
very
much
good
Monique
Lee
to
call
it
so
I.
Just
on
my
last
council
day,
I
have
a
motion
that
City
Council
direct
City
Clerk's
to
ban
the
use
of
the
phrase.
I
will
just
be
brief
and
any
variation
of
the
phrase
from
all
city
council
meetings,
Standing
Committee
meetings
in
any
other
location,
Tommy,
City,
Hall
or
anywhere
in
the
city
of
China
as
a
whole
and
I.
Remember,
Jamie,
strache
and
once
saying
anyone
who
starts
their
speeches
with
I'm
just
gonna.
Be
brief
is
never
brief.
So
I'm
going
to
give
you.
F
Pieces
of
advice
as
I
leave,
and
that
is
the
first-
is
to
actually
try
to
be
brief
and
be
discerning
and
not.
Everyone
wants
to
hear
us
speak
on
everything
all
the
time,
so
they'd
like
to
see
more
action
and
number
two
to
please
be
respectful
of
staff,
and
even
though
sometimes
we
disagree
with
them
and
vice
versa,
just
to
agree
respectfully
or
disagree
respectfully
and
professionally
and
let
them
answer
the
question
before
you
ask
the
next
question
and
the
last
one
of
advice
is
term
limits.
You
know
my
favorite
topic
of
all
time.
F
One
Supporter
and
you
know
if
we
we
know
the
edge
of
incumbency.
We
know
how
difficult
it
is
to
unseat
an
incumbent
and
if
we
truly
want
the
makeup
of
counsel
that
we
aspire
to
it,
gender
equity,
the
diversity
and
the
youth
we're
going
to
have
did
we
say
we
want
that
all
the
time
we're
going
to
have
to
step
aside
and
we
can
get
in,
do
a
good
job
and
get
out
give
someone
else
a
chance
and
continue
to
city
build
from
the
outside.
Now
those
are
my
little
tidbits
of
advice.
Take
them.
F
Think
we
did
some
of
that,
freeing
the
food
trucks,
mighty
middle
budget,
Salvation,
Dean,
Cole,
bonfires
and
parks,
art
installations
in
in
the
death
of
winter,
in
in
the
beach
laneways
sweets,
the
council,
blue
bike
lanes,
Sagamihara,
liaising
councillor,
thompson,
trees,
plastics,
transform,
teo,
accounts,
perks
and
Layton.
We
did
many
things
together
and
I
like
to
think
I
left
my
mark
here
in
some
small
way
and
I
want
to
thank
you
to
my
collegial
colleagues.
F
I've
learned
a
lot
from
you
and
it's
been
you're
an
immensely
interesting
cast
of
characters
and
you
deeply
love
this
city
and
your
passion
about
building
a
better
city
and
I.
It's
been
an
honor
to
work
with
you
and
thank
you
to
our
Mayor
John
Tory
who's,
a
class
act.
He
lives,
breathes
and
eats
Toronto,
salt-of-the-earth
guy,
and-
and
thank
you
for
your
leadership
and
thank
you
for
honoring
me
with
a
position
on
on
executive
committee,
til
til
midnight
every
night
at
executive.
It's
been
a
treat
and
thank
you
to
city
staff.
F
You
you
don't
always
receive
the
accolades
you
deserve
from
us
or
from
the
public,
but
just
know
in
our
hearts
that
we
appreciate
that
you
build
a
better
city
every
day
and
I.
Thank
you
for
teaching
me
how
the
city
works
and
you'll
still
see
me
see
me
around.
Maybe
breaking
rules
I,
don't
know
you
have
to
and
to
my
team
over
there
Ellen
Stephanie,
our
intern
max
and
Peter
and
Abby's
getting
married,
so
she's,
not
here,
I
hope
you.
Let
me
out
to
go
to
our
wedding
tomorrow
and
they
are
fantastic
team.
F
F
I'll
be
very
sad
for
us
to
separate
but
they're
available
for
hire
if
anyone
wants
them
and
last
but
not
least
to
our
speaker,
Luciana
Francis
Nunziata,
who
has
kept
the
peace
as
best
she
can
in
here
and
led
by
example,
she's
been
fantastic,
I
do
have
I
will
tell
a
story
when
I
first
got
in
the
second
day
of
council.
Francis
was
yelling
out
all
the
time
in
the
afternoon,
and
I
started
to
sweat
and
was
wondering
why
I'm
in
so
much
trouble
and
then
I
found
out.
It
was
member
motions.
F
G
D
G
I
just
wanted
to
thank
Megan
for
her
service,
the
past
two
sessions,
and
hopefully,
although
she
made
a
promise
about
next
term,
perhaps
in
the
future,
we'll
see
her
back
here
or
in
another
forum
in
government,
because
I
would
submit
she's
the
kind
of
person
we
want
in
representative
government.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
H
H
Our
ward
was
mostly
the
former
East
York
with
a
swath
of
Toronto
at
the
bottom,
and
there
was
it
is
a
tremendous
sense
of
identity
and
pride,
and
it
also
that
sense
of
East
York
that
East
York
sensibility
is
combined
with
an
emerging
and
dynamic
new
community
at
the
East
End
of
Ward
31,
and
it
bridges
the
suburban
reaches
of
the
city
with
the
urban
downtown
core.
It
is
a
fabulous
fabulous
community
and
I
want
to
thank
all
of
the
residents
of
my
Ward,
who
have
worked
with
me
and
supported
me
over
these
years
now.
H
What
could
possibly
work
to
describe
the
new
Ward
35?
It's
going
to
include
several
North
York
neighborhoods
new
ones
from
two
other
Ward's.
The
eastern
border
is
going
to
go
from
Eglinton
to
the
Danforth
and
it
is
going
to
be
a
challenge
to
build
a
sense
of
community
with
this
very
broad,
Ward
and
I.
H
I
do
think
that,
as
we
approach
these
new
wards,
we
they
must
be
given
the
resources
necessary
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
the
kind
of
outreach
we
need
to
and
hope
that
that
sort
of
small,
petty
austerity
that
we
have
seen
re-emerge
in
Queens,
Park,
cutting
budgets
and
small
things
that
really
don't
provide
Solutions
but
I
hope.
We
don't
see
that
again
and
we
give
our
new
counselors
in
these
new
wards
sufficient
resources.
H
It
has
been
such
an
incredible
learning
environment
for
me.
I
have
to
say:
I
came
from
the
Human
Services
side
and
to
learn
what
I
have
learned
has
been
so
exciting
and
dynamic
and
I
wanted
to
write
a
few
things
down.
I've
learned
lead
pipes
to
parking
permits,
sewage
sludge
to
street
sweepers,
CEOs,
CSO's,
DPOs
benchmarks
and
market
value,
state
of
good
repair
and
good
long-term
care
and
I
could
go
on
rhyming.
H
All
of
the
various
things
that
I
have
learned
while
I
have
been
here,
but
I
have
learned
it
from
the
exceptionally
talented
civil
service
that
we
have
here
and
right
across
the
city.
You
make
our
city
better
every
day,
and
you
do
this
make
these
miracles
happen
every
day
off
every
corner
of
your
desk,
your
truck
your
swimming
pool,
the
dining
room
or
the
hearing
room
every
one
of
you
makes
a
contribution
to
this
city
and
I.
H
Thank
you
on
behalf
of
my
residents
and
I'm
sure,
on
behalf
of
all
of
my
colleagues
and
all
of
the
residents
of
Toronto,
it's
difficult
to
let
go
of
projects
that
are
underway,
but
I
know
they
will
be
in
good
hands
and
that
they
will
be
completed
in
the
next
term.
The
Dodge
Road
library,
our
ravine
plan,
our
top
impart
new
community
facility
and
Stan
wall.
H
Though
there
are
many
things
underway
and
I
know
they
will
continue
to
happen
and
I
wanted
to
say:
I
am
going,
don't
have
a
plan
I'm
not
going
to
the
private
sector
or
the
public
sector
or
any
sector
I'm
going
out
to
to
take
on
things,
though,
that
will
have
meaning
and
impact
and
will
have
opportunities
for
personal
growth
and
learning
and
all
the
things
that
I
know.
Many
of
you
around
here
would
love
to
be
doing
that.
H
H
They're
serious
too
and
I
hope
you'll,
take
them
all
as
well-meaning
and
and
in
good
faith.
One.
The
city
has
a
fiscal
sustainability
problem
and
we
need
leadership
and
courage
to
solve
it.
The
province,
the
province
and
feds
must
respect
the
decisions
we
make
here
and
give
us
the
tax
room
and
the
jurisdiction
we
need.
H
Many
counselors
don't
read
their
reports
or
budgets,
but
they
have
strong
opinions
about
them.
Both
the
mayor's
office
doesn't
need
more
power,
just
more
willingness
to
share
it.
Our
city
does
many
things
very
well.
We
just
don't
believe
it
or
promote
it.
Our
democracy
is
robust
and
healthy,
but
too
often
influenced
by
the
powerful
in
the
wealthy.
We
have
plans
that
we
are
afraid
to
implement
them
and
ten.
We
need
respect
and
caring
every
day
in
this
city.
H
H
H
It's
been
a
blast.
We
haven't
always
agreed.
I've
tended
to
share
my
opinion
with
you
two
frequently
from
my
seat
and
for
that
I
do
apologize.
It's
my
lively
and
engaging
manner
that
tends
to
have
me
not
check
my
impulses
when
it
comes
to
offering
my
views
to
you
and
to
others.
So
for
that
and
to
all
of
my
colleagues
when
I
have
express
my
views
to
you
from
my
seat,
it
has
always
been
with
good
intent.
J
Thank
you,
I
guess.
This
is
the
time
for
farewell
speeches
so
well,
you
know,
even
after
being
a
politician
for
more
than
half
my
life
I'm,
still
not
comfortable
giving
speeches
and
I
think
I
wrote
out
about
five
different
versions
of
this
and
scrapped
all
of
them.
One
was
too
heartfelt
and
another
wasn't
heartfelt
enough,
and
one
was
too
disillusioned
and
I
didn't
want
to
leave
on
a
downer
and,
and
one
was
too
preachy
and
I
figured.
J
The
and
I
have
such
mixed
feelings
about
this
room.
But
what's
interesting
is
when
you
think
of
the
highlights
from
your
political
life?
Really,
most
of
them
didn't
happen
in
this
room,
most
of
them
when
you
think
about
it,
are
out
in
the
in
the
community
and-
and
those
are
the
things
you
know,
I
think
you
probably
feel
happiest
about
our
proudest
about
when
you
leave
the
new
Recreation,
Center
or
Park
or
childcare
center
cultural
festival
that
maybe
wouldn't
have
existed
without
you
and
that
those
things
kind
of
live
on
in
the
community.
J
You
know,
on
the
one
hand,
to
do
it
all
just
dwell
on
the
the
love
the
love
part
of
it
is
I.
You
know
I'm,
maybe
too
much
of
an
idealist,
but
I
just
love
the
idea
that
the
community,
you
know
44
soon
to
be
47
communities
across
the
city
come
together
and
choose
somebody
to
come
down
here
and
represent
them,
and
we
all
sit
here
and
we're
surrounded
by
professional
and
wise
advisors,
and
we
try
to
you
know,
come
together
to
do
what's
in
the
common
good.
J
It's
just
such
a
marvelous
concept
and
to
be
part
of
a
small
number
of
people
who
get
to
do
that
in
a
city
like
Toronto
like
what
better
job
could
you
ever
have
you
know
so
they're,
just
so.
I
will
really
miss
this
place
because
there
are
times
when
all
of
that
comes
together
and
it's
really
magic
and
we've
all
we've
all
experienced
that
we've
also
experienced
the
heartbreak,
but
it
when
it
doesn't
happen.
J
You
kind
of
wonder
what
you
know
what
relationships
continue
after
you
leave
this
place,
that
I
guess
I'll
find
out,
but
I
know
that
you
know
a
lot
of
times
you
it's
like
it's.
We
all
have
this
strange
bond
together.
You
know
it's
like
you're
you're
on
this
strange
journey
together
and-
and
you
know
you
become-
you
become
close
with
people,
because
you
sit
near
them
and
again
you're
on
this.
This
trip
together
and
I
always
think
of
Rob
Ford,
but
it
would
I.
Think
of
unusual
friendships
in
my
friendship
was
with
him.
J
Was
so
unusual,
I
had
to
write
two
chapters
to
try
to
explain
it,
but
you
know
I
actually
still
miss
Rob
as
the
guy
who
sat
two
seats
away
from
me
and
was
just
looking
for
somebody
that
to
make
football
bets
with
you
know,
and
that's
we
see
all
kinds
of
sides
of
each
other
in
here,
not
just
the
politician,
the
people,
and
especially
those
who
are
sitting
close
to
you.
You
really
get
to
know
them
as
people
so
I
will
I
will
miss.
All
of
that.
J
Thank
you
to
the
people
of
Willowdale
who
have
supported
me
over
11
elections
earlier
this
year
in
April.
Yes,
we
all
got
to
see
what
kind
of
a
community
Willowdale
is
and
the
sort
of
people
who
live
there
and
that's
that's
been
the
case
for
36
years
and
different
people.
Now,
though,
some
of
them
are
still
the
same,
but
it's
really
just
wonderful
community
and
and
I
felt
very
privileged
to
have
had
this
job
representing
them
for
all
these
years.
K
You
know
it
is
such
an
honor
and
kind
of
privilege
and
pleasure
to
do
what
we
do
and,
of
course,
I'm
proud
of
all
the
accomplishments
in
my
local
community,
and
we
all
can
kind
of
cite
those
new
parks
and
streets
and
how
we
help
people
and
I'm
so
thankful
to
the
people
of
Ward,
15
and
Agnes
and
Lawrence
for
putting
their
faith
and
trust
in
me
over
the
last
eight
years.
Really
working
with
me
I
mean
this.
K
We
can't
do
what
we
do
unless
you
have
residents
that
support
so
much
so
many
of
those
efforts
and
the
one
accomplishment
that
I
think
all
of
you
know
I'll
cite
and
the
one
that
means
a
lot
to
me
is
Lawrence
Heights
and
just
to
see
it
actually
come
out
of
the
ground.
Now
it
shows
you
what
we
can
do
in
this
place
and
how
we
can
help
people
and
I'll
I'll
make
a
bit
of
a
plea
for
Lawrence
Heights
as
I
leave.
K
You
know,
we
say
it's
a
citywide
project
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
kind
of
comparison
politics,
but
it
still
needs
help
from
this
council.
It
doesn't
have
the
aquatic
centers
and
the
recreation
centers,
and
that
investment
from
this
building
that
we've
seen
in
other
revitalizations,
and
so
while
it's
it
gonna,
be
a
stunning
success
and
it's
gonna
repair
people's
lives
and
make
a
neighborhood
and
I
think
our
city
so
much
better.
K
It
needs
continuing
support
from
this
chamber,
and
so
my
plea
to
you
is
to
is
to
truly
make
it
a
citywide
priority
and
it's
one
that
I
know
you'll
all
be
proud
of
for
having
supported
when
it
becomes
reality
and
in
fact
people
are
moving
in
and
the
fall
into
the
new
building.
So
I
encourage
you
all
to
be
there
for
that
ribbon.
Ribbon-Cutting
will
be
a
special
one.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
supporting
my
work
as
chair
of
the
TTC
I.
K
Sometimes
wonder
why
I
put
my
hand
up
for
that
job,
but
you
know
it's
talk
about
learning
holy
smokes
things.
You
would
never
issue,
you
would
never
imagine,
and
so,
after
hundreds
of
hours,
I
hope
I
have
left
the
organization
in
better
shape,
but
I'd
also
just
say
that
you
know
you
see
me
all
with
the
mayor.
K
Often
at
these
press
conferences
announcing
these
accomplishments,
it's
true:
we've
added
a
tremendous
amount
of
service
to
the
city
and
improve
transit
of
the
city
over
the
last
four
years,
and
so,
while
I'm
I
can
be
there
to
cut
the
ribbon
and
announce
it.
It's
because
this
council
has
invested
in
transit
and
so
sometimes
we're
hard
on
ourselves
on
that
front.
But
really
it's
been
year
after
year,
investments
every
every
TTC
board
meeting
for
the
fellow
commissioners.
K
Here
we
get
to
announce
procurements
expansion
work,
as
is
advancing
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
buses
new
streetcars
new
Subway's,
and
we're
only
able
to
do
that
because
of
all
of
you
and
your
commitment
to
public
transit
and
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we've
got
to
maybe
talk
about
a
little
more
and
certainly
I'm
proud
to
have
been
at
the
helm
of
the
titi
seizure
in
those
days.
I
really
believe
that
people
who
use
transit
in
the
city
are
better
off
because
of
it
and
and
the
city's
better
off
because
of
it.
K
K
Sometimes
I
worry
that
there
are
two
cities
still
in
Toronto
and
I'm
an
award
where
I
kind
of
straddle
that
fence.
You
know
down
south
of
Eglinton,
it's
a
bit
more,
the
politics,
the
urban
form.
The
issues
are
a
bit
more
urban
as
I
move
up
towards
the
old
North
York
to
the
401.
It
becomes
more
suburban.
You
know,
while
there's
a
debate
about
bike
lanes,
downtown
I'll
be
at
a
planning
meeting
where
my
residents
are
saying.
K
You've
got
a
widening
Dufferin,
we
need
more
lanes
of
traffic
and
they
think
the
kind
of
the
debate
we
have
down
here
on.
Some
of
these
issues
is
like
we're
from
Mars
or
speaking,
a
different
or
foreign
language,
and
so
the
only
reason
I
bring
that
up
is
because
I
don't.
My
worry
always
is
that
that
divide,
sometimes
it
gets
glossed
over,
but
if
it
continues
to
kind
of
exist,
it's
not
healthy
for
our
city
and
you
see
it
in
Merrell
tea
campaigns.
K
You
see
it
in
some
of
the
debate
in
this
room
and
and
so
I
guess.
My
only
ask
is
that
you
know
recognizing
that
exists.
I,
think
one
of
the
things
I
wish
I
did
better
and
I
think
we
can
all
do
a
better
job
of
is
making
sure.
We
just
understand
that
perspective,
because
that
person
who
really
desperately
wants
that
bike
lane
and
that
personally
desperately
wants
me
to
add
four
more
lanes
to
the
Allen.
K
I
wanted
to
touch
on
a
couple
other
issues
that
I
feel
we
need
to
spend
more
time
on
and
and
sometimes
they
bubble
up
and
come
to
the
fore
and
they
have
recently.
But
we
need
to
spend
more
time
on
I
believe
that
the
preponderance
of
mental
health
issues
in
residents
living
in
big
cities
is
so
much
more
pronounced
than
any
of
us
acknowledge,
and
actually
probably
people
in
this
chamber
see
it
every
day
and
it's
not
a
city
issue.
K
It's
not
a
scary
thing
to
debate,
it's
an
important
thing
to
debate
and
we
have
to
put
it
higher
up
on
the
agenda
talking
about
this
place.
Actually,
I
actually
love
this
place.
It's
a
crazy,
crazy
building
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
in
a
way
are
a
bit
crazy
to
be
here,
but
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you.
I
learned
so
much
from
you,
people
and
I
have
over
the
last
eight
years.
K
It's
it's
outstanding
and
you're
all
really
good
at
your
jobs
and
you
actually
all
for
anyone
listening
out
there
work
every
councillor
in
this
room
works
really
hard.
It's
a
great
job
as
a
challenging
job
as
an
honor,
but
everyone
works
really
hard
at
this
job
and
there's
often
this
you
know
they
talk
about
Oh,
City
Hall
is
a
circus,
and
it's
crazy.
Has
anyone
ever
been
to
the
provincial
legislature?
Go
go
sit
there
for
one
hour,
even
in
Ottawa
it
is
just
cat
calls
desk,
banging
and
and
speaking
points.
Nothing
actually
gets
done
there.
K
This
is
where
we
actually
are
forced
to
collaborate,
and
yes,
people
say
the
sausage-making
all
happens
out
in
the
open,
so
it
looks
see,
but
in
fact
we
have
to
collaborate.
You
have
to
get
23
type-a
personalities
to
agree
on
any
single
one
issue,
and
so
I
actually
think
we're
more
civil
here,
we're
more
productive
here
and
we
should
actually
be
proud
and
not
denigrate
ourselves
and
what
this
chamber
does,
because
I
think
we
do
amazing
work
every
day.
K
You
know
they're
they're,
you
know
coming
to
you
because
they
can't
find
work
so
the
problems
with
their
family
or
their
kids
and
so
I
think
it's
such
a
privilege
and
honor
to
get
that
opportunity
that
we
have
that
opportunity
to
help
people
and
the
people
led
us
in
like
that.
I,
don't
think
it
happens
with
other
levels
of
government
and
I'm,
not
sure
help
happens
with
many
other
professions
and
I.
K
Think
that's
such
an
honor
and
privilege
and
I
want
to
thank
the
residents
of
in
my
ward
work,
50
and
Eglinton
Lawrence
for
kind
of
letting
me
into
those
basements
and
often
feeding
me
in
those
basements.
A
lot
of
tomatoes
grown
in
worth
15,
if
you
didn't
know,
and
and
and
homemade
wine,
which
I'd
always
have
to
explain
why
I
couldn't
drink
that
at
a
9:00
o'clock
meeting
in
the
morning.
But.
F
K
Hands
yet
so
I
really
I
really
want
to
thank
those
residents
for
kind
of
letting
me
in
you
know
it's
funny
as
a
kid.
Many
of
you
know:
I
grew
up
in
this
world.
I
hated
this
job
and
I
would
always
be
asked.
When
are
you
gonna
run
like
never
I
hate
that
I
hate
this
job?
So
we've
kind
of
always
laugh
that
I'm
here
and
enjoying
it
so
much
after
saying
I
would
never
do
it
I.
K
We
can
only
do
these
jobs
with
a
lot
of
people
who
support
us
and
certainly
I,
think
my
staff
were
here
if
they
could
all
wave
they
have
to
answer
the
calls
they
deal
with
the
frequent
fliers,
some
of
the
issues
they
deal
with
and
they're
there
like
they're
there.
It's
it's
social
social
service
work
that
they
really
do
it's
and
they
do
amazing
and
they
do
amazing
work.
So
thank
you
all
of
you
for
the
work
you've
done
to
support
my
efforts.
K
Of
course,
thanks
to
my
residents,
thank
you
to
my
family,
who
put
up
with
this
crazy
job.
My
my
kids
I
think
think
it's
really
cool
my
wife
not
as
much
but
as
we
all
know
it's,
none
of
us
could
do
the
work
we
do
and
give
to
the
city
and
our
communities
if
we
didn't
have
that
support
at
home
and
so
I'll.
Just
lastly
say
you
know:
I
love
the
city,
I
I,
think
this
is
the
greatest
city
on
the
planet.
K
I,
don't
think
we
say
that
enough
and
I
think
that
it
is
a
greater
city
because
of
the
work
we
do
in
this
chamber
and
so
I
hope
I've
contributed
to
making
it
a
greater
City
in
some
small
way
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
here.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
serve
for
the
last
day
to
my
residents
for
letting
me
serve
for
the
last
eight
years
and
who
knows
maybe
I'll
see
you
back
here
again
one
day.
Thank
you.
A
G
L
A
Okay,
members
of
council,
we
will
not
review
and
confirm
the
order
paper.
There
are
61
items
left
on
the
agenda
plus
11
member
motions.
Our
first
item
of
business
this
morning
is
item
ex35
point
14
on
the
Toronto
Hydro
audited
financial
statements.
I
will
now
take
the
release
of
hold.
Please
put
your
name
under
request
to
question
staff
count.
Sir
I.
Have
it.
I
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
speaker.
On
page
four
G
M,
twenty
nine
point,
two
one
having
spoken
to
staff
and
had
a
very
good
briefing
with
them,
I'm
now
convinced
that
they
are
going
in
the
right
direction
and
so
I'm
ready
to
release
it.
But
in
order
to
release
that
I
have
to
withdraw
my
motion
that
I
had
submitted.
A
I
E
Madam
Speaker
I
got
a
few
that
I
want
to
release.
There's
a
bit
of
anger.
That's
built
up
in
my
community
and
I've
got
to
be
there
I
think
this
afternoon
for
many
of
the
discussions
given
the
shooting
yesterday
on
Islington
Avenue,
so
I'd
hope
we
can
have
some
patience
here.
I
just
want
on
some
of
them.
I
just
want
to
vote
against.
So
on
executive
committee.
Thirty
six
point:
two:
six
we're
in
the
middle
of
that
dialogue
right
so
there's
nothing!
I
can
do
with
that.
I've
moved
the
motion.
I'll
just
leave.
E
A
E
E
A
D
E
A
E
A
E
B
A
M
M
Okay,
if
I
could
speaker
on
page
nine
item
CC
forty
four
forty
four
point:
five
six:
ninety
eight
counselor
ma'am
lady
sorry,
page
9,
CC,
44.5,
698
spent
on
Avenue
I,
can
release
that
item
and
connected
with
that
item
because
I'll
be
releasing
both
of
them.
Is
item
CC.
Forty
four
point:
two
five,
which
is
also
698
to
706,
but
I,
know
Avenue.
So
I
can
release
those
two.
A
M
I
have
another
one
which
I
can
release,
which
is
on
page
ten
item
CC
forty
four
point:
four
one:
152
158
Pearl
Street
and
15
Duncan
Street
zoning
amendment
application
request
for
directions.
I
can
move
the
recommendations
contained
in
the
supplementary
report
that
was
circulated
yesterday
and
so
with
that
I
can
release
it
on.
A
M
M
G
A
A
M
M
M
Troi
see
it's
such
a
pleasure
sitting
beside
Justin,
because
I
wasn't
finished,
I'd
like
to
release
another
one
on
page
8,
t
te,
34.4,
8
and
again
it's
in
consultation
with
planning
staff.
These
amendments
are
setting
the
section
37
community
benefit
allocation
based
on
previously
agreed
totals.
Thank
you.
A
M
G
B
N
A
B
G
A
K
A
K
A
O
M
A
M
E
M
F
M
A
G
A
L
I'm
sorry,
my
apology,
I'm
apologizing
not
quite-
is
that
on
the
they're,
releasing
oh
yeah
I'm,
releasing
that
I'm,
just
gonna
release,
page
three
I'm
going
to
release
the
mom
we
were
discussing
yesterday
on
the
reference
checks,
cuz,
that
is
conversation
with
the
city
manager
and
that's
IX.
Thirty
six
point:
four:
five
police
reference
checks.
Jesus
showed
me
that
new
people
they
will
be
going
very
quickly.
Hey.
A
D
A
L
A
L
L
A
K
A
A
A
A
N
N
A
N
N
So
in
the
public
disclosures
that
go
out,
which
is
why
I
can
ask
this
in
public.
It
talks
about
additional
benefits
that
accrue
every
year
to
the
president
and
c-e-o
I
believe
this
year
it
was
a
tune
of
350,000
dollars.
Why
is
that
not
part
of
the
disclosure
information
to
Toronto
City
Council
as
the
shareholder
councillor.
O
A
O
I
was
gonna,
say
was
the
vice
president,
or
vice
chairman
of
the
and
Herman
HR
committee
was
available,
Monday,
Tuesday
and
Wednesday
not
today.
So
unfortunately
he's
not
here,
he
wasn't
able
to
be
here
and
I
know
why
council
wasn't
able
to
get
to
us
on
Monday,
as
we
originally
thought.
However,
our
Vice
President
HR
is
here:
Evie,
Lethbridge
and
I
think
she'll
be
able
to
help.
You
counsel.
H
N
N
M
Ahead,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Everything
is
actually
disclosed
in
the
annual
information
form
and
provided
to
the
city,
and
it
is
disclosed.
I
can
provide
the
data
to
councilor
shiner
and
yourself,
but
this
is
the
compensation
for
Anthony
Haines
there's
additional
compensation
associate,
not
compensation,
but
other
benefits
that
have
to
be
disclosed,
but
it's
all
disclosed
in
the
annual
information
form
and
provided
to
the
city
annually.
M
M
M
N
N
You
thank
you,
then.
If
I
go
to
this
column
here,
his
company
presidents,
he
owes
compensation,
was
1
million
and
eighty
seven
thousand
plus
an
additional
compensation
that
was,
in
the
other
disclosures
of
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
bringing
his
compensation
to
1
million
four
hundred
and
thirty
seven
thousand.
G
N
But
it
accrues.
So
let
me
say,
then,
these
not
the
accruals
in
that,
where
it
started
in
2012
at
fifty
thousand
went
to
one
hundred
and
forty.
It's
continually
gone
up
so
this
year
the
total
undisclosed
compensation
in
the
reports
to
Toronto
City
Council
are
one
point:
three:
seven:
five
million
dollars
and
by
2021
that's
two
point:
six:
five
million
dollars
in
retirement
allowance
bonus
not
disclosed
to
Toronto
City
Council.
M
N
But
it
does
total
an
additional
compensation
of
two
point:
six
five
million.
So
then
am
I
correct,
then,
if
mr.
Hains
retires
in
each
of
these
years-
and
he
goes
to
2021
his
salary,
then
based
on
current
salary,
plus
inflation
and
bonus
and
the
bonus
provision
will
bring
him
up
to
three
point:
eight
one:
five
million
dollars
in
twenty.
Twenty-One.
M
N
Will
go
back
and
say:
here's
the
chart,
the
bonuses
to
date
and,
if
I
take
them
beyond
here
and
I,
do
them
based
on
what
the
disclosure
is,
that
we
can
hardly
read
the
fine
print
of
the
number
comes
up
if
he
retires
in
2021
and
takes
all
his
bonuses.
Then
three
point:
eight
one:
five
million
dollars.
M
N
Last
question
week,
my
time
was
running
if
I
have
one
final
question:
if
I
could
yes
I've
written
here
compensations
of
locally
in
provincial
utilities,
ranging
from
three
hundred
ninety
nine
thousand
to
six
hundred
and
sixty
six
thousand?
Why
is
Toronto
Hydro
compensation
so
much
different
than
that
and
I,
don't
believe
any
of,
or
were
any
of
these
utilities
use
in
your
compensation?
Comparisons.
O
Mr.
chair
and
preps
I
should
deal
with
that.
I
haven't
seen
these
figures
before
or
this
this
particular
chart
I'm.
What
we
did
and
the
counselor
will
know
that
is.
We
were
asked
to
compare
comparable
utilities
in
any
of
our
compensation.
There
were
a
number
of
comparable
municipally
owned
utilities
who
are
looked
at
not
publicly
traded
companies
that
were
for
used,
as
it
counselor
knows:
F
Corp
and
Max,
Electra
and
SAS
power.
O
O
D
Thank
You
Deputy
Speaker
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
I.
There
was
a
statement
made
by
councillor
shiner
that
the
information
wasn't
the
force
that
was
shown
on
the
screen.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
council
knows
that
I
think
it's
an
attachment
number
four
of
the
the
electronic
submission
here:
the
AI
F
and
I.
Just
it's
confusing
if
it
says
that
it's
not
here,
but
it
I
could
clearly
see
it
and.
D
C
D
N
D
M
Going
to
rule
that
both
of
your
points
of
order,
we're
not
actually
points
of
order.
But
you
did
ask
your
last
question
and
we
can
come
back
to
you
if
you
wish,
but
I'd
ask
to
have
to
respond
to
your
last
question
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
our
next
person
on
the
list,
which
is
counts
from
a
havoc.
After
after.
O
Mr.
chair
mr.
speaker,
one
thing
I
would
comment
on
is
what
the
councillors
raised
is
a
very
difficult
situation.
We
have
as
a
company.
We
are
reporting
under
Securities
Act
legislation.
We
have
detailed
reporting
under
that
we
have
detailed
reporting
for
the
Ontario
Energy
Board.
We
have
detailed
reporting
to
the
city
as
shareholder
and
other
agencies
and
groups
who
have
regulatory
authority
over
our
company.
O
It
may
be
that
in
this
case,
it
wasn't
as
clear
as
it
might
have
been,
but
the
fact
is,
the
figures
were
disclosed,
they
are
disclosed
in
publicly
available
documents
and
they
have
been
disclosed
generally
to
the
public.
I
will
take
it
as
as
an
understanding
that
that
council
might
prefer
us
to
set
out
the
figure
in
a
clearer
way,
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
We're
not
resisting
that,
but
the
fact
is,
the
numbers
were
disclosed
and
were
publicly
available.
Thank
you.
Next
on
our
list
is.
I
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
This
is
both
to
the
city
manager
and
to
the
chair
of
hydro
and
it's
along
the
same
same
vein.
This
is
not
the
councillor.
Shiner
is
actually
continuing
a
conversation
that
we've
had
frankly
for
several
years
and,
as
I
understand
the
state
of
the
conversation
it
is
not
and
because
we
are
contract
bound.
I
We
have
sorry
concerned
we
are
contract
bound
with
the
existing
incumbent,
but
that
there
were
policies
to
have
been
put
in
place
by
hydro
by
Toronto
Hydro
on
a
go-forward
basis,
so
that
the
next
people
who
would
be
hired
at
the
most
senior
levels
of
hydro,
Toronto
Hydro,
would
have
a
different
compensation
structure
and
we
would
know
of
it.
It
has
that
happened.
O
I
I
You
Thank
You
councillor,
madam
city
manager,
given
that
this
is
not
the
first
time
this
is
not
the
second
year.
This
has
been
a
multi-year
request
and
I'm,
not
obviously
tagging
you
as
the
temporary
incumbent
or
the
temporary
person
in
that
position.
Is
there
a
work
plan
who
has
that
work
plan?
When
can
we
see
this
and/or?
Are
we
and
you
can
understand
how
we
kind
of
feel
at
this
end
that
there's
this
has
either
fallen
between
the
cracks
or
there
is
a
real
lack
of
diligence
in
doing
this
work
through.
B
L
L
L
L
O
O
L
L
L
G
L
Question
is
not
that
okay
I've
heard
from
Toronto,
Hydro
and
I
believe
it
was
disclosed
this
morning
that
in
the
documents
that
were
presented
to
Council
it
through
executive
that
everything
is
in
there,
so
I'll
collaborate
that
every
single
penny
is
disclosed
somewhere
in
the
documents
that
you've
presented.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
L
L
A
L
A
O
G
Through
the
speaker,
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
what
Executive,
Committee
and
counsel
asked
us
to
do
was
to
look
at
also,
in
addition
to
the
current
compensation
to
comparators
and
looking
at
what
opportunity
opportunities
they
would,
there
would
be
to
bring
the
executive
compensation
in
line
with
city
policies.
So
it's
that
piece
of
the
work
that
we're
still
undertaking,
but.
L
The
but
I
think
it
maybe
I'm
not
being
clear
but
I
understood
we'd,
asked
to
know
the
numbers
for
financial
compensation.
We'd
asked
Toronto
Hydro
as
the
City
Council,
then
we
were
told
that
City
Council
has
asked
the
board.
We
can't
ask
directly
to
the
to
the
corporation
and
I'm
saying
nonetheless,
despite
all
of
those
requests.
Apparently
what
you're
telling
us
today
is
and
every
time
you
disclose
financially
annually,
every
single
penny
of
compensation
is
in,
there
might
be
in
different
places,
but
it's
all
in
there.
That's.
O
H
G
G
H
G
O
H
Know
knows
an
answer:
there
was
an
answer
that
continued,
no
I
am
NOT
going
to
ask
mr.
Haines
no
okay.
Thank
you.
I
want
someone,
though,
to
confirm
this
okay,
thank
you
and
I
wonder
if
we
could
step
away
I've
been
here
many
many
years
and
I've
never
seen
the
information
presented
in
this
way,
and
it's
shocking
to
me
as
a
director
of
this.
Thank
you.
Thank
your
holder
number
one
shareholder.
Thank
you
key.
Yes,.
B
I
just
had
a
question,
madam
speaker,
that
relates
a
bit
to
history
and
to
putting
this
into
some
perspective,
could
somebody
from
hydro
talk
to
us
about
these
arrangements,
of
whether
it's
displayed
properly
this
way
or
some
other
way
and
I'm
prepared,
certainly
to
accept
the
word
of
the
chair
about
it
being
a
full
disclosure?
When
was
the
contract
entered
into
that?
Has
these
provisions
in
it
that
that
are
laid
out
one
way
or
another,
and
the
public
disclosure
documents
are
on
these
graphs
and
charts.
O
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Was
rare
I
believe
there
it
was
certainly
predated
at
the
time.
I
was
on
the
board.
I
know
that
I
believe
it
may
be
six
or
seven
years
ago,
but
I
don't
have
the
exact
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
that
information,
but
I
believe
it's
quite
some
years
ago,
certainly
predated
by
involved
in
on
the
board,
and
there
is
a
that's.
We
just
point
out.
There
is
a
cap
on
this.
It's
not
an
unlimited
situation.
O
B
Just
like,
if
I
could
madam
chair,
to
threw
you
to
the
chair
of
hydro,
confirm
that
you
have
said
today
that,
if
there's
a
better
way
to
disclose
the
same
information
in
a
more
consolidated,
readable,
a
fashion
for
the
reader,
so
that
the
all
the
information
is
still
there
same
information.
But
present
it
differently
that
you
might
have
taken.
O
Yes,
speaker
mr.
mayor
you're,
absolutely
right.
One
of
the
problems
I've
had
over
the
years
with
various
security
filings
and
through
my
practice
and
through
business,
is
often
well.
The
figures
are
usually
in
the
documents,
it's
often
as
a
shareholder,
difficult
to
ferret
through
them
all.
This
is
obviously
an
item
that
requires
some
clarification
and
council
can
have
the
assurance
that
we
will
make
sure
they're
there.
It's
clearly
set
out,
so
the
members
of
council
are
not
in
the
dark
or
find
it
confusing
to
go
through
the
document.
B
N
So,
madam
Speaker,
that
I
am
moving
this
motion
as
a
direction.
Toronto
Hydro
as
those
were
the
utilities
that
I
found
that
have
either
greater
distribution.
Greater
responsibilities
include
generation,
include
local
delivery,
etc
and
I
do
not
believe
that
the
comparators
that
were
being
used
in
Toronto
Hydro
were
ones
that
were,
in
my
opinion,
the
proper
comparators
to
use
in
regards
and
merit
or
e
merit
or
e.
So
mayor,
Tory,
councillor,
Fletcher,
meritorious
re.
If
my
time
is
over,
you
asked
a
question
as
to
when
the
figures
that
I
go
all
came
from
public
documentation.
N
The
original
bonus
started
in
2012
the
first
retirement
allowance
under
the
previous
term
and
not
under
the
current
chair,
not
under
mr.
McFadden.
It
was
under
mr.
Copeland.
The
second
one
actually
came
in
during
this
term
council
in
2014,
and
it's
the
greater
one.
It
was
the
one
of
my
church
that
was
great
and
that
came
in
by
mr.
Williams,
who
was
chair
until
then.
Mr.
N
McFadden,
in
due
respect,
did
not
take
the
Chairman's
role
until
2016
according
to
my
records,
but
each
and
every
number
that
I
have
my
office
had
to
find
by
researching
it
through
all
the
public
disclosures
and
the
60
or
70
pages
of
the
fine
print
that
you
have.
I
am
extremely
disappointed
in
that,
because
we
asked
the
simple
question
over
many
years:
how
does
the
compensation
compare
of
our
senior
staff
to
other
similar
utilities?
And
if
you
just
want
to
talk
about
the
number
of
customers?
N
Well,
so
you
have
a
condo
building
with
300
people
in
that
and
you
got
three
of
them
on
the
street
one
fee
to
the
building.
Well,
that's
a
thousand
people,
but
that's
only
three
fees
when
some
of
these
are
much
greater
and
all
I'm
looking
is
for
fairness
and
compensation
and
I
don't
think.
We've
had
the
fullness
of
the
information
in
front
of
us.
N
Believe
in
that
we
should
get
the
fullness
of
a
report
in
front
of
us
and
when
we
get
a
report
that
doesn't
include
that
which
was
what
is
was
in
front
of
us
at
Executive
Committee
and
it
said
a
total
compensation
of
1.8
7
million
1
million
$87,000.
It
doesn't
come
down
to
the
fact
that
these
additional
bonuses
are
there
that
total
2.6
5
million
dollars
and
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
by
2021.
If
mr.
N
N
Now,
if
I
extrapolate
the
3.81
five
million
dollars
and
based
on
public
information,
if
you
terminate
the
CEO,
he
gets
two
years
pay.
So
if
you
terminate
the
CEO
and
2021
hearings,
all
those
bonuses,
3.8
million
dollars
and
then
another
million
dollars
on
top
of
that,
so
it's
four
point:
eight
million
dollars.
If
he's
terminated,
then
I
don't
know
who
really
authorized
or
gave
full
thought
to
these
contracts
and
I
just
don't
believe,
they're
fair.
A
D
You,
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
councillor
shiner
I,
know
as
a
board
member
a
little
bit
how
the
compensation
system
works
and
I
know
how
important
the
comparables
are
in
choosing
the
right
ones,
but
there's
implications.
If,
if
these
comparables
drove
up
the
salary
of
the
executives,
do
you
would
you
still
support
your
motion?
First.
N
D
N
D
N
Believe
any
public
utility
I
don't
know
municipal
owned
utility
can
even
do
that
because
there's
no
stocks
to
give
I
have,
though
in
answering
a
question.
I,
have
no
problem
with
performance
bonuses.
I
support
them
over
and
did
it
bill
Toronto
I
supported
them
a
create
yo
and
I
continue
to
support
them
based
on
at
Toronto.
Hydro
I
have
no
problem
that
I'm
not
talking
just
about
stock
options
about
a
bonus
provision
so.
D
Similar
is
a
very
important
word
in
your
motion.
Can
you
explain
to
me
the
different
comparators
that
you
used
in
determining
which
of
these
companies
to
choose
is
the
comparison
list?
Did
you
look
at
in
capital?
You
look
at
number
of
employees.
Did
you
look
at
number
of
customers?
Did
you
look
at
you
know
gross
revenue,
but
where
were
the
elements
that
you
used
to
infer
that
these
were
appropriate
comparisons
to
Toronto
Hydro?
First.
N
Of
all
for
what
I
could
and
I
answer
that,
because
we
are
not
allowed
to
have
the
public
information
about
who
the
comparators
were,
we
only
have
the
name.
It's
a
comparator.
We
aren't
even
given
who
the
comparator
is,
but
I
find
it.
You
know
I'm
a
very
simple
person
really
when
it
comes
down
to
like
try
and
stay
at
higher
levels
and
deal
with
things
that
I
can
understand
and
knock
it's
always
drawn
in
to
the
weeds
of
it.
N
But
the
list
I
gave
you
and
the
responsibilities
of
organizations
that
do
very
great
areas
much
greater
than
ours,
so
they
may
have
less
customers
but
high,
but
serve
much
greater
areas.
Some
of
them
do
just
not
only
distribution
provincially,
but
they
do
local
distributions.
Some
of
them
do
generation
I
mean
they
all
have
different
projects
within
their
portfolio.
D
A
N
N
I'm
answering
the
question,
madam
Speaker:
yes,
but
when,
on
a
continual
basis
between
our
staff
and
the
board
at
Toronto
Hydro,
we
haven't
had
that
information
and
then
I
had
my
staff
go
through
the
documents
and
find
it
I
felt
it
was
important
to
bring
it
here
and
find
a
way
to
finally
get
a
resolution
to
it.
If
you
have
a
better
suggestion,
counselor
I
am
more
than
willing
to
hear
it.
Okay,.
M
I
N
I
B
Just
had
a
couple
of
questions
of
the
counselor
matter,
speaker,
first
of
all,
I
believe
this.
All
this
detail
is
pursuant
to
an
employment
agreement,
and
I
was
asking
some
questions
of
the
chair
of
hydro
about
this
and
I
respect.
The
fact
you've
done
as
much
work
in
your
staff
at
looking
at
all
this
and
trying
to
make
better
sense
of
it
is.
It
is
all
of
this
pursuant
to
the
terms
of
an
employment
agreement
between
mr.
Haynes,
the
chief
executive
officer
and
the
corporation.
Yes,.
N
N
B
N
C
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Firstly,
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
general
comments.
I'm
on
the
I'm
on
the
board
of
hydro
and
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
the
best
board
that
I
had
twelve
assignments,
this
tournament
council,
it's
the
best
board
that
I've
been
on
it's
a
high
functioning
board
aside,
including
that,
aside
from
including
the
councillors
Ainsley
and
Holliday,
we
have
some
of
the
smartest
people,
most
talented
people
on
that
board
and
we're
really
lucky
to
have
them.
I'd
also
like
to
to
speak
to
the
management.
C
We
have
a
a
great
management
team.
You
know
we
might
argue
about
salary,
salary
comp,
but
they
are
I.
Think
and
I
think
the
board
really
feels
strongly
about
this.
There
are
high
functioning
management
team
and
often
times
over
the
time
that
for
the
last
number
of
years,
this
council
has
treated
Toronto
Hydro,
like
a
piggy
bank,
breaking
it
open
on
a
regular
basis
and
still
requesting
them
to
do
things
that
are
by
any
by
most
hydro
electricity
utilities.
That
would
be
seemed
to
be
quite
unreasonable,
yet
they
they
continue
to
move
along.
C
So
generally,
then,
now
specifically,
what
I
would
like
to
say
this
about
the
salaries.
Are
you
know,
I,
see
two
pieces
to
this
about
the
discussion.
First.
Is
the
process
question
about
the
disclosure
of
information?
So
there
was
all
the
information
was
disclosed.
I
think
the
point
that
is
being
made
is
that
it
wasn't
all
disclosed
in
an
obvious
place,
especially
the
the
any
funds
associated
with
with
for
pensions.
C
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
fair
comment.
I
think
that
the
information
is
in
the
AI
F
may
not
be
easily
found,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
that
and
I
I
have
done
this
when
I
was
looking
for
this
information,
all
I
did
was
phone
up
hydro
and
asked
them
what
where
this
information
could
be
found,
and
they
found
it
for
me,
they're,
not
an
organization.
That
is
that
that
that
will
hide
this
information
from
you.
C
If
you
just
call
them
up
and
ask
so,
for
example,
if
a
counselor
want
know
what
the
cumulative
conference
benefits
for
any
of
these
questions,
all
you
have
to
do
is
phone
up
either
Anthony
or
the
head
of
Human
Resources.
They
would
have
given
that
to
you
now,
just
briefly
in
terms
of
the
substantive
piece
in
terms
of
because
this
this
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
this
discussion
is
talking
about
compensation
packages.
C
I
can
tell
you,
there's
a
there's
a
there's,
a
disconnect
between
I
think
some
of
the
board
members
and
some
of
the
support
me
some
of
the
counselors
on
the
board
and
some
of
the
more.
Let's
call
them
board
members
from
the
corporate
world,
and
you
know
we're
trying
to
square
I
mean
here's,
here's
the
question
for
you:
how
do
you
pay
a
guy
over
a
million
dollars
who
runs
a
monopoly?
C
You
know
it's
it's
an
interesting
question,
and
could
you
get
someone
just
as
good
when
you
pay
them
less
and
the
example
that
I,
oh,
that
I
always
like
to
use
is,
is
I'll?
Take
the
example
of
Peter
Wallace.
Do
you
think
Peter
Wallace?
Could
one
run
hydro
and
learn,
learn
how
to
run
Hydra
and
do
a
pretty
good
job
at
it?
My
answer
would
be
yes,
but
he
just
picked.
He
gets
a
fraction
of
what
you
know
the
current
president
and
CEO.
C
C
We
we're
gonna
have
to
come
to
ground
on
that
at
some
point
in
time,
sometime
in
the
future,
but
I
will
tell
you
and
you
know,
and
no
one
decided
to
go
into,
but
I
suspect
that
in
camera
it
would
come
as
no
surprise
to
anybody
that
you
can't
change
the
the
current
CEOs
compensation
package,
because
that
would
that
would
be
easily
that
would
talk
to
any
labor
lawyer.
They
would
that,
would
that
would
be
constructive
dismissal
right.
C
C
But
I
would,
and-
and
if
and
if
this
counsel
wants
to
do
this-
and
this
information
is
going
to
come
back
in
the
next
term-
we
can
do
it.
We
can
do
that
through
a
shareholder
direction
and
that's
the
time
that
we
should
be
considering
it,
but
there
are
certain
consequences
to
it.
We
should
take
a
careful
decision
and
part
of
that
decision.
It
would
be
to
get
the
information
that
counselor
shiner
is
requesting.
Let's
see,
what's
all
you
know,
all
these
other
comparable?
A
L
Yes,
I'm
just
gonna
pick
up
off
of
our
deputy
mayor,
saying
it's
no
secret
that
these
discussions
are
on
top
of
mind
in
the
public.
We
just
had
a
provincial
election
and
lo
and
behold,
CEO
and
the
board
were
all
fired
by
the
incoming
incoming
premier,
so
I'm
not
moving
any
motions
of
that
nature.
But
I
do
think
that
compensation
is
on
people's
minds
and
they
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
fair.
They
want
to
make
sure
it's
been
done
right
and
we
do
have
counselors
that
sit
on
that
board.
L
The
end
of
the
day,
City
Council
is
the
shareholder.
We
are
the
shareholder
of
Toronto
Hydro
we're
the
shareholder
of
Toronto,
Community,
Housing
and
I
will
be
supporting
councilor
shiners
motion
I.
Think
it's
fair
to
half
of
some
other
comparators
looked
at
and
I
know
Mercer's,
but
when
you're
generating
power
and
you're
looking
after
natural
gas,
it
is
a
little
different
and
somebody
might
find
out
exactly
the
same
thing
and
say:
you've
got
aging
infrastructure,
here's
your
difficulties
and
problems.
L
So,
yes,
compensation
levels
have
to
be
at
a
certain
rate
and
also
if,
for
any
reason,
our
current
CEO
should
leave.
I'd,
certainly
like
to
understand
what
the
baseline
is
and
to
be
able
to
assist
the
board
in
those
deliberations.
I
really
do
believe
that
is
the
role
of
the
shareholder
at
times
when
things
might
change,
so
don't
want
to
do
anything.
Radical
I
just
want
to
set
the
stage
if
there's
any
changes
that
it
was
very
disappointing.
L
If
you
hadn't
done
what
councillor
McMahon
always
calls
your
homework
and
have
looked
at
a
whole
number
of
other
things,
understanding
that
there
are
some
concerns
here
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
what
my
biggest
concern
here
is
here
now.
This
is
probably
the
third
time
that
we've
had
this
conversation.
L
The
city
manager
who's,
not
here
now
our
former
city
manager,
and
so
there
is
no
institutional
memory
with
our
interim
city
manager
and
that's
the
problem
is
so
much
change
at
the
upper
levels
of
our
senior
management
team.
Ask
Toronto
Hydro
corporation.
Please
send
us
the
information
for
the
compensation
package
for
your
CEOs
we'd
asked
him
to
ask
them
I.
L
Believe
you
all
remember
that,
and
what
we
got
back
was
a
letter
saying
I'm.
Sorry,
we're
not
disclosing
that
to
you.
Mr.
Wallace,
CEO
of
the
city
of
Toronto,
gent,
no
city
manager.
You
have
to
have
your
City
Council
asked
the
board.
So
then
we
had
another
long
debate
about
the
city
council
asking
the
board
and
councillor
Holliday
felt
that
we
shouldn't
do
that
and
that
actually
didn't
pass,
even
though
we
had
instructed
this
counsel
had
instructed
the
city
manager
to
ask
for
that
information.
L
So
here's
why
I'm
concerned
this
is
a
month
two
multi-billion
dollar
corporations,
a
simple
ask
turned
down
by
the
corporation
and
I'm.
Looking
at
the
chair
of
the
board,
perhaps
you
didn't
even
know
that
was
turned
down
by
the
corporation
mr.
chair,
but
it
was
so
that
should
be
of
concern
to
you
if
you
didn't
know
that,
because
the
city
manager
had
asked
and
if
I
had
time
to
make
a
motion
that
would
be
my
motion.
L
I
would
like
to
know
if
you
to
report
on
that,
and
perhaps
I'll
ask
you
after
but
subsequent
to
that.
What
really
concerns
me
is.
We've
been
told
today
that
we
have
all
of
that
information
at
our
fingertips
in
the
reports
that
go
to
executive
they're,
not
in
one
single
space
or
place.
They
are
sprinkled
throughout
based
on
the
nature
of
that
compensation.
L
So
if
it
is
actually
in
the
documents
that
are
provided
to
City
Council
and
the
executive
committee
on
an
annual
basis
and
I'm
looking
right
at
the
chair,
I
am
having
a
very
hard
time
understanding.
Why
that
wasn't
the
answer
to
mr.
Wallace
that
you
have
all
of
it,
and
here
it
is
I'm
very,
very
concerned
not
so
much
about
the
money.
But
how
does
the
city
manager
ask
the
corporation
for
information
and
not
be
told?
Well
mr.
city
manager,
you
have
that
already.
L
We
provide
that
to
you
annually
and
it's
in
the
executive
report
that
to
me
does
not
appear
as
a
very
high
functioning
corporation.
That
can't
tell
its
own
ask
from
the
city
manager
that
they
have
that
information,
or
it's
extremely
disappointed
in
that.
But,
as
I
said,
I'm
extremely
concerned
as
well
and
I'll,
be
asking
the
chair
directly
when
I
Thank.
I
In
support
of
a
councillor
shiners
motion,
noting
that
we
had
already
made
the
request
for
this
kind
of
request
for
several
years
now,
the
comparables
that
he's
asking
for
are
hydro
comparables
across
the
country.
We
have
already
on
record
and
I
confirmed
it
with
the
general
manager
of
with
our
city
manager.
That
comparables
within
the
Civic
sector
are
also
to
be
part
of
that
study.
I
To
me,
you
know
in
a
world
where
people
have
to
fight
like
crazy,
to
get
a
wage
increase
between
up
to
14
dollars
and
made
might
not
even
get
it
to
15
dollars
in
this
province.
But
people
are
concerned
about
is
the
disparity
in
wages
and
all
the
studies
that
all
the
academic
studies
that
I've
looked
at.
I
That
shows
that
that
folks,
in
the
bottom,
20%
are
at
this
level
and
their
salaries
relative
in
their
ability
to
afford
living
in
Toronto
are
going
down
and
a
salaries
at
the
upper
10%
are
going
up
way
beyond
the
rate
of
inflation
and
that
somehow
we
as
a
city
have
to
address
it
with
hydro,
but
also
across
the
corporation
across
our
agency
boards
and
Commission.
That's
a
task
that
needs
urgent
attention,
and
so
my
my
frustration
is
is
that
this
has
taken
us
not
months
but
years
years
to
get
the
report.
I
So
I'll
certainly
be
waiting
if,
if
I'm
lucky
enough
to
be
here
next
year,
waiting
for
that
report
and
for
us
to
do
some
good
policy
development
across
across
the
the
city,
Toronto
Hydro,
including
included
and
particular
Toronto
Hydro,
since
they're
their
senior
compensation
levels
are
way
out
of
whack.
I
recognize
as
well
that
we
may
we
don't
have
an
ability
to
impact
current
contracts,
and
this
is
more
on
a
go-forward
basis
for
any
new
contracts
that
happen
with
Toronto
Hydro
and
with
any
agency
border,
commission
or
city
employee
that
that
we
we
hire.
I
H
We
have
consistently,
as
councillor
Fletcher
has
said,
asked
for
this
information
over
the
last
years
and
I
have
finally
I've
spent
this
entire
time
going
through
the
information.
Annual
information
form
and
I
have
finally
found
where
the
additional
bonuses
are
identified,
and,
yes,
indeed,
they're
clear,
they're,
clear
and
they're
shocking.
H
There's
a
retirement
allowance
year
of
625,000
and
they're
increased
annually
from
2018
to
2020
by
another
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
It's
no
employ
at
the
City
of
Toronto
now
gets
a
retirement
allowance,
it's
a
a
benefit
that
was
removed
from
our
employees.
Many
many
years
ago,
I
I,
think.
If
the
people
of
Toronto
were
aware
that
the
head
of
our
hydro
Corporation
will
leave
here
in
2020
with
over
four
million
dollars,
they
too
would
be
shocked.
H
So,
while
I
understand
somehow,
over
these
years,
this
employment
contract
has
been
signed
and
there
is
no
ability
for
us
to
amend
it.
At
this
point,
we
should
be
looking
and
be
prepared
for
any
incoming
CEO
and
to
have
the
compensation
package
prepared
so
that
it
reflects
the
values
of
this
chamber
and
it
reflects
due
diligence
in
terms
of
the
research
that
we
have
to
do
to
get
full
full
information.
H
So
Thank
You
councillor
shiner,
for
pursuing
this
and
for
continuing
to
pursue
this
and
I
hope
that
we
will
all
unanimously
approve
this
motion
so
that
we
get
the
fullest
possible
information
before
and
to
support
the
compensation
review
that
we
hope
will
come
forward
with
the
assistance
of
the
city
manager.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
just
wanted
to
offer
some
comments.
I,
don't
support
councillor
shiners
motion.
They
believe
I
come
with
some
some
background
on
this
I
have
served
on
the
hydro
board
and
had
to
make
decisions
on
human
resource
proposals,
including
understanding
compensation
at
the
board.
It's
true
like
any
corporation
Toronto
Hydro,
even
just
like
the
government
here,
the
Toronto
Public
Service.
When
you
set
someone's
salary,
you
have
to
take
comparables
into
mind
and
I
know
that
Toronto
Hydro.
D
Does
that
and
in
fact
it's
a
very
involved
process,
especially
when
you
get
into
the
executive
level.
There's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
deciding
who
the
appropriate
comparables
are.
In
fact
they
get
helped
to
do
that
and
you
look
at
different
industries.
You
look
at
different
companies
and
industrial
companies
that
may
be
similar
in
size.
You
look
at
the
dollars
that
flow
through
you
look
at
the
number
of
customers.
D
You
look
at
the
type
of
capital
work
that
they
do
and
you
put
all
that
into
a
funnel
and
a
matrix,
and
you
try
to
figure
out.
You
know
who
are
the
companies
that
are
out
there,
that
we
would
hire
our
executives
from
and
who
are
the
companies
that
are
competing
with
us
that
might
steal
them
away.
So
you've
got
to
find
this
balance
point
and
they
do
that.
We
do
that.
D
Unfortunately,
with
councilor
shiners
list,
I
really
have
no
idea
what
the
effect
is.
It
may
drive
compensation
way
down.
It
may
drive
it
way
up.
It
may
drive
it
down
on
the
CEO
but
drive
it
way
up
on
the
other
executives.
We
actually
don't
know
because
no
one's
actually
done
the
work
to
go
through
the
investigation
as
to
whether
or
not
these
are
appropriate
comparisons
to
what
Toronto
Hydro
is.
Yes,
they
may
be
municipally-owned,
but
that's
really
only
a
one
factor.
D
D
It
would
be
one
thing
to
signal
that
you
know
this
is
this
is
hopefully
some
comparators
that
you
know
we'd
like
to
keep
into
consideration,
but
this
is
quite
prescriptive
and
this
could
actually
affect
the
change
that
we
don't
know
what
the
result
is
and
maybe
stabilize
things
that
may
stabilize
things.
It
may
actually
drive
the
salaries
up,
and
so
you
know,
I
understand
where
councillor
shiner
is
coming
from.
D
He's
got
some
obvious
concerns,
but
the
right
way
to
do
it
is
not
to
issue
a
direction
on
the
floor
of
council
without
any
understanding
of
what
this
is
or
any
reporting
no
invite
councillor
shiner.
Maybe
to
put
his
name
in
for
the
board
on
the
next
round
of
council.
We
could
use
really
good
thoughtful
people
there
that
have
some
ideas
on
how
compensation
could
work
but
have
councillor.
D
Shiner
also
have
the
discussion
with
a
with
a
knowledgeable
human
resource
consultant
that
understands
the
industry
and
understands
the
effect
of
these
and
understands
all
the
layers
of
complexities.
There
is
into
choosing
what
an
appropriate
comparable
is.
All
I
can
say
is
that
it's
not
an
easy
process.
It's
not
willy
nilly,
it's
not
just
sort
of
sitting
and
checking
off
some
some
check
boxes
and
say
here
you
go.
D
There
is
a
lot
of
governance
that
put
or
is
put
around
this,
not
because
it's
just
that
we
want
to
see
the
corporation
run
well,
but
we
have
that
duty
to
the
ratepayers
to
the
taxpayers
of
the
city
to
the
owner
of
the
city.
I
think
everyone
wants
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
a
company
that
is,
you
know,
is
affordable
for
people
to
to
be
customers
of,
but
also
stable,
because
that's
the
city's
investment.
D
We
rely
on
the
method
for
a
dividend
and
you
have
to
take
into
all
the
considerations
to
having
a
successful
company
to
make
sure
that
you
pick
the
right
people
and
you
retain
the
right
people
that
are
in
charge
of
it.
So
with
that
I
hope.
You
think
very
carefully
about
the
seriousness
of
what's
been
put
forward.
D
It
looks
like
a
very
popular
and
interesting
idea
and-
and
you
know
understand
that
maybe
people
appreciate
and
want
to
see
executive
salaries
be
lower
because
that's
a
populist
opinion,
but
I
would
invite
you
really
to
think
very
carefully
about
the
effect
of
this
and
actually
the
unknown
effect,
because
we
really
just
don't
have
the
advice
around
it
and
be
careful
because
we're
playing
with
fire.
Thank
you.
A
N
My
colleague
was
saying:
if
I
would
join
the
board
and
maybe
I
would
lose
you
understand
it.
Maybe
I
understand
how
a
compensation
package
yes,
I've
been
on
the
board.
Yes,
I
understand
how
they
work.
Yes,
I've
had
the
debate
with
them
and
yes,
I'm
fully
knowledgeable
about
them
and
challenging
that
I
might
not
be
or
saying
that
at
a
public
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate,
hey.
A
A
E
Listen
because
more
than
once,
he
has
often
in
fact
often
he's
come
up
with
issues
and
and
dialogue
and
problems
and
problem
solving
that
most
of
us
wouldn't
even
wouldn't
even
venture
into
and
as
as
much
as
I
appreciate.
Everybody
in
this
chamber,
including
myself,
I.
Don't
think,
there's
anybody
that
would
read
these
kinds
of
reports
and
do
the
numbers
of
like
councilor,
shiner
and
and
and
and
I
have
to
say
this,
because
I
think
we
we
quickly
forget
what
happened
in
the
provincial
election.
E
There's
a
new
leader
provincially
for
a
reason
and
I'm
going
to
say
it's
because
of
the
issues
with
hydro
and
it's
because
of
the
issues
with
these
kinds
of
deals
that
are
made
that
got
a
new
premier
elected
wanting
to
change
in
this
province
and
so
stop
questioning
the
logic
and
the
reasoning
behind
councilor,
shiner
I.
Think
most
of
us
need
to
appreciate
what
he's
trying
to
do
and
if
anything,
he's
brought
some
light
to
an
issue
than
most
of
you
and
myself
didn't
even
know
about.
N
Mayor
has
brought
to
my
attention
that
both
of
the
salaries
of
the
retirement
allowance
were
brought
under
mr.
Claire
Copelan
and
not
under
this
term
of
counsel.
So
I
wanted
to
be
sure
that
I
clarified
that
and
secondly
to
my
colleagues
and
speaking,
the
solicitor
there's
some
slight
changes
to
the
motion
to
give
direction,
but
not
do
anything
that
we
wouldn't
want
to
do.
It's
simply
to
look
at
the
comparators,
along
with
others
they
may
use
so.
N
A
A
M
To
amend
the
compensation
package
halfway
through
the
contract,
in
other
words,
there's
a
contract
in
place
and
counselor
shiners,
urging
us
I
guess
to
ask
the
board
to
reopen
that
contract
to
amend
the
Pat.
The
the
compensation
package
I
can't
comment
on
the
accuracy
of
that
interpretation
speaker
because
I
haven't
seen
the
the
motion
itself,
but
if
that's
an
accurate
assessment
of
counselor
shiners
motion,
it
doesn't
look
good
on
the
city.
I
understand
concerns
about
the
scale
of
executive
salaries
and
bonuses.
But
speaker
you,
you
know
it's.
M
It
doesn't
look
good
on
a
government
if
a
contract
can't
be
honored
if
we
want
the
best
executives
possible.
If
we're
looking
to
provide
hydro
with
the
best
executives
that
we
can
find,
then
we
have
to
compete
in
that
marketplace
and
if
we
can't
compete
in
the
marketplace,
we're
not
going
to
get
potentially
the
best
executives
that
we
can
and
when
you
get
them
a
speaker,
then
you
have
people
who
not
only
can
deliver
what's
needed
now,
but
can
anticipate
what
is
needed
down
the
line.
M
So
from
that
perspective,
speaker
I
will
not
be
supporting
councilor
Scheider's
motion
and
I
would
hope
that
there
would
be
other
people
in
this
place.
That
would
understand
the
importance
of
honoring
a
contract
and,
if
not,
honored,
the
implications
it
has
for
us
going
forward
in
attracting
the
very
best
executives
that
are
out
there.
G
You,
madam
Speaker,
madam
Speaker,
I,
believe
that
the
motion,
the
way
it's
been
revised,
is,
is
ok
and
can
be
supported
and
I
think
it
basically
says
two
things.
First
of
all,
it
expresses
a
concern
that
councillor
shiner
has
expressed
to
this
to
counsel
that,
in
fact,
the
salaries
may
not
be
in
keeping
with
what
might
be
appropriate
salaries,
but,
more
importantly,
I
think.
It
basically
says
to
the
board.
G
We
are
relying
on
you
to
do
the
necessary
review
and
determine
whether,
in
fact,
some
of
the
arguments
that
have
been
put
forward
by
councillor
Kelley
should
be
used
as
reasons
why
the
compensation
package
should
not
be
changed
or
leave
it
to
the
board
to
come
up
with
arguments
why
the
compensation
package
ought
to
be
modified
slightly,
so
I
think
the
motion.
The
way
it's
worded
right
now
accomplishes
those
things
so
I
would
urge
that
people
support
it.
Thank
you.
M
M
My
understanding
is
now
that
we're
not
looking
to
change
anything
at
this
point
in
time,
because
you
can't,
but
we
want
to
review
what
is
there
now
so
when
and
if
we
have
a
new
person
in
that
position,
we
can
look
at
it
with
a
different
light,
compare
it
to
the
other
large
cities
which
are
similar
to
us,
so
I
just
want
to
confirm
for
anyone
who
wasn't
quite
understanding
what
the
motion
was
is
to
be
reviewed,
get
us
ready
for
the
next
person
when
and
if
that
may
happen.
Thank
you,
and
that
was
quick.
B
Madam
Speaker
I'm
torn
on
on
how
to
vote
on
this
frankly
and
I'll.
Get
to
that.
But
I
want
to
first
of
all
start
off
by
saying
something
because
there
was
maybe
the
slightest
implication
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
just
make
sure
that
that
it
is
an
implication
that
is
not
left
with
the
council
and
with
those
who
are
watching
our
proceedings
that
in
some
way
either
this
current
board
of
hydral.
B
You
know
either
sort
of
deliberately
didn't
put
information
in
a
clear
manner
and
whatever
I've
been
through
this
as
a
director,
I
was
in
fact
chair
of
the
compensation
committee
at
the
Rogers
board
before
I
had
to
leave
that
board.
When
I
got
elected
this,
the
disclosure
here
is
among
the
most
complex
disclosure
that
ever
happens,
short
of
financings
that
go
on
and
so
forth,
and
no
matter
how
you
put
it.
B
There's
always
somebody
who
says
you
didn't
put
it
open
enough
of
a
way
that
led
people
to
a
conclusion,
but
look
leave
that
be
that
as
it
may,
even
the
chair
has
acknowledged
this
morning
that
they
they
will
find
ways
to
do
better
and
make
this
compensation.
This
is
a
disclosure
of
compensation
clear.
The
point
I
want
to
make
is
I
have
I
haven't
been
around
for
a
lot
of
Hydra
boards.
B
In
fact,
this
is
the
only
one
I've
been
around
for,
but
I
will
say
this
I
have
not
seen
and
I
had
a
hand
with
others
here
in
making
sure
the
private
citizens
were
put
on
that
board,
including
the
chair
were
people
of
the
utmost
integrity
and
the
utmost
competence.
Look
at
who
they
are
go.
Look
it
up.
You've
got
people
there
that
are
probably
of
the
highest
quality
that
you've
ever
had
on
the
board
of
this
big,
very
important,
publicly
reporting
corporation
and
I'll,
say
as
well.
B
The
second
thing
I
want
to
say
is
this
all
relates
and
I
think
it's
very
important,
because
it
relates
to
the
comments
made
by
councilor
mammal
eta2,
a
contract
that
was
entered
into
and
any
sort
of
changes
or
modifications
to
it.
With
regard
to
bonus,
payments
were
made.
The
first
contract
I
found
out
since
I
asked
May
27th
2010
under
chair
Claire
Copeland
and
the
second
may
March
27th
2013
under
chair
Claire
Copeland
and
the
councillor
of
China
mentioned
something
about
mr.
B
Williams
I,
don't
know,
but
the
bottom
line
is
these:
are
contracts
entered
into
under
the
following
previous
counsel,
previous
mayor
previous
board,
previous
chair
and
I?
Don't
know
if
I've
left
anything
out,
and
so
it's
in
the
past
and
I
find
myself
in
no
position
to
judge.
But
if
you
want
an
indication
of
my
thoughts
about
it-
and
this
is
no
commentary
on
the
job
done
by
the
current
incumbent
in
the
CEOs
position,
he
oversees
a
corporation
that
sends
us
a
check
for
seventy
five
million
dollars
every
year
and
that
dividend
has
been
done.
B
B
But
we
asked
somebody
to
do
report
our
city
manager,
they're
spending
time
doing
it
they're
gonna
report
back
as
soon
as
they
can,
and
then
we
have
another
motion
that
in
effect
sort
of
says
well
yeah,
while
you're
doing
that,
let's
send
over
a
direction
to
tell
you
what
to
do
and
then
there's
the
second
question,
which
is
the
fiduciary
responsibilities
of
directors
over
there
and
I
think
this
is
what
councilor
holiday
is
getting
at.
They
have
those
directors,
a
fiduciary
responsibility
and
well
we're
entitled
to
send
a
shareholder
direction.
I'm,
not
sure.
B
That's
exactly
what
this
is.
This
is
a
motion
from
the
council
and
the
council.
Also,
the
city
happens
to
be
the
shareholder,
but
if
there's
a
way
we
want
to
do
that,
then
we
should
probably
do
it
the
proper
way,
as
opposed
to
this
kind
of
way
where
it
comes
in
front
of
us
and
it's
being
amended
on
the
fly
and
I
would
say
we
should
have
the
staff
do
their
work.
B
Having
said
all
that,
I'm
a
well
I'm
gonna
just
hide
in
the
next
30
seconds,
because
what
really
counts
are
Shriner
is
saying
is:
let's
include
these
other
companies
as
comparators,
among
others,
so
he's
not
even
directing
through
the
motion
what
you
know,
who
should
be
I,
who
should
be
included
on
the
list,
but
I
really
wanted
to
emphasize
two
things.
Yes,
it
is
the
past
and
councillor
Milady's
right
the
consideration
of
how
these
things
are
done
and
how
much
is
paid
and
who
gets
paid.
B
Secondly,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
made
the
point
about
the
integrity
of
the
board,
including
council
directors,
who
went
over
there
doing
a
good
job
for
us
and,
thirdly,
that
we
should
let
our
staff
do
their
work
when
we
ask
them
and
respect
fiduciary
obligations
of
the
people
over
there
who
are
on
the
board
of
directors,
because
that
is
a
very
important
principle
that
should
not
be
compromised.
Thank
you,
better
figure.
Thank.