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City Council, meeting 8, June 19, 2019 - Part 1 of 2
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A
B
C
D
Members
of
council,
we
will
not
reveal
and
confirm
the
order
paper.
There
are
69
items
left
on
the
agenda,
including
50
member
motions.
Yesterday,
council
decided
to
consider
item
e^x
6.9
on
16
27
and
75
Danforth
Avenue
Danforth
Garage
master
plan
final
report.
As
the
first
item
of
business
this
morning,
City
Council
will
consider
member
motions
at
2
p.m.
our
first
item
after
members
motion
will
be
item
eyx
6.3
on
schedule,
9
changes
to
the
labor
relations
act,
1995,
restoring
Ontario's
competitiveness,
Act
2019
I,
anticipate
that
council
will
meet
in
closed
session
on
that
item.
E
G
D
D
I
E
E
I
E
I
I
E
I
Thanks
very
much
to
planning
staff.
The
report
before
us
is
a
initial
master
plan
concept.
It
was
done
over
a
year
of
community
consultation
with
many
residents
groups
and
participants.
Are
there
still
opportunities
to
incorporate
a
variety
of
city
building
objectives
into
this
project?
Affordable,
housing,
employment
opportunities?
Is
that
something
that
the
community
can
anticipate
seeing
going
forward?
Yes,.
J
Through
the
speaker,
the
report
before
council
lays
out
a
vision
and
an
overall
master
plan
approach
for
the
site,
and
you
can
see
if
you
take
yourself
to
attachment
for
an
illustration
of
that.
Overall
master
plan
within
that
master
plan
and
and
the
and
the
report
outlines
a
series
of
next
steps
or
implementation
approaches
that
include
certain
program.
J
Ik
investigations
around
affordable
housing,
open
space,
cultural
uses
in
some
of
the
heritage,
buildings,
occupation,
a
portion
of
the
site
for
the
police,
invest
for
their
investigation,
about
use
of
the
site
for
the
TDC
so
mixing
in
a
way.
A
complete
community
of
employment
and
residential
uses
that
we
feel
will
be
extremely
positive
and
restorative
for
danforth,
for
the
Danforth
community
and.
I
Just
to
confirm
the
report
has
recommendations
to
prioritize,
affordable
housing
and
employment
opportunities
on
this
site
is
that
correct,
that's
correct
interim
uses
are
something
that's
really
important,
as
we
heard
from
police
they're,
not
anticipating
being
on
the
site
for
2024
now,
do
we
have
an
approach
or
a
plan
to
have
in
term
uses,
perhaps
utilizing
the
barn
structure,
something
that
the
community
could
benefit
from?
Well,
while
this
planning
and
construction
work
is
going
on,
there.
A
Have
through
you,
madam
Speaker?
Yes,
this.
This
report
provides
direction
and
recommendations
to
investigate
potential
interim
uses
to
activate
the
heritage
structure
in
adaptive,
reuse
format,
to
bring
forward
potential
community
serving
uses
on
an
interim
basis.
The
report
provides
that
recommendation
for
staff
through
create
Co
to
report
back
to
Council
on
the
results
of
that
investigation
next
year
and
provide
next
steps
to
activate
the
site
as
soon
as
possible
for
community
uses
is.
I
A
Correct
there's:
there's
no
pre
determination
on
uses
or
a
specific
approach.
There's
flexibility
on
how
to
approach
and
determine
the
uses
there.
There
could
be
additional
consultation
with
the
community
if
that's
suits
the
process
best,
but
the
the
goal
would
be
to
activate
the
site
as
soon
as
possible
with
an
interim
approach
and
then
with
a
long-term
approach.
Thanks.
A
G
G
D
K
Currently,
within
the
54
division
of
55
division,
we've
deleted
that
line
that
Danforth
traditional
boundary
line
and
we
also
employed
a
different
shift
schedule
system.
So
we
did
a
hybrid
approach
to
the
primary
response
operations,
where
we've
got
70%
of
the
officers
working
on
a
compressed
work
week
and
then
30%
working
on
a
new
schedule,
which
is
a
seven
on
seven
off.
The
officers
that
are
on
the
seven
on
seven
off
are
currently
housed
at
54
and
the
compressed
Work
Week
officers.
The
other
70%
are
at
55
division.
K
However,
we
are
currently
doing
a
amalgamation
plan
to
bring
those
seven
and
seven
officers
to
55
what
that
means
is
by
July.
We
will
have
all
of
the
primary
response
officers
and
the
Criminal
Investigation,
be
our
officers
working
out
of
55
and
then
within
54
division,
we'll
have
the
crew,
the
community
response
unit
and
the
major
crime
unit
working
out
of
54.
So.
G
J
G
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna,
ask
about
the
seven
years.
I'm
gonna
ask
how
much
money
has
been
set
aside,
because
this
was
a
project
that
was
four
counts
of
Bradford
and
I
bought.
Here
there
was
four
councilors.
We
had
a
lot
of
discussions.
This
is
a
facilities
question
that
there
was
an
agreement
that
the
Barnes
part
of
the
TTC
would
be
able
to
be
opened
and
have
community
access.
So
how
far
along?
Are
we
with
that
from
the
TTC?
What's
your
commitment?
G
E
I'm
just
going
to
talk
about
the
current
use,
because
your
first
party,
your
question,
was
about
moving
those
uses,
so
we
have
been
using
the
the
primary
warehouse
as
a
storage
function,
so
we
are
starting
to
phase
that
out
its
materials
and
procurement.
We
are
looking
at
consolidating
those
uses
and
those
would
be
moved
out
later
this
year
into
early
next
year.
The
funding
with
respect
to
the
introduces
I'll
leave
that
to
other
staff,
to
how.
J
Through
the
through
the
speaker,
I
can
certainly
and
maybe
supplemented
by
facilities
in
real
estate.
I
can
take
counsel
to
recommendation
8,
which
sets
aside
point
9
million
dollars
to
do
strategic
project
feasibility
work.
So
the
planning
piece
around
what
those
interim
uses
is
accommodated
for.
However,
the
actual
capital
work
involved
would
be
a
further
budget
request
and
that
would
have
to
come
through
a
further
authority
to
council.
G
A
G
I'm
now
asking
the
deputy
city
manager,
one
of
the
agreements
to
have
this
site
was
to
have
that
opened
up
around
the
same
time
as
the
new
police
station.
That
was
the
agreement
kind
of
the
Covenant
with
the
community.
How
much
money
has
been
set
aside?
What's
the
feasibility
study
has
been
done
for,
let's
say
phase
one
of
getting
those
garage
that
garage
open
for
community
is
so.
L
M
The
speaker,
counselor
Fletcher,
in
our
preliminary
work
through
create
t.
Oh,
we
did
do
a
costing
exercise
to
understand
what
the
barn
would
require
to
make
it
safe
and
operational
for
the
use
of
community
use,
and
that
estimate
came
in
out.
Eight
point.
Six
million
is
that
for
the
entire
barn
or
for
a
phase,
one
that
is
for
a
phase
one,
an
interim
use
for
part
of
the
barn
or
the
whole
barn.
G
M
G
M
The
speaker,
counselor
flood
sure
the
barn
is
about
the
facility,
is
about
70,000
square
feet.
20,000
square
feet
is
currently
occupied
for
TTC
functions.
That
leaves
you
about
50,000
square
feet
to
the
rear
available
for
an
interim
use
that
can
be
phased,
whether
that
includes
the
entire
50,000
square
feet
as
sort
of
an
open
area
to
walk
through
or
whether
it's
parceled
off.
That
would
be
part
of
the
next
phase
of
the
analysis
to
examine
how
much
of
that
50,000
could
be
explored.
M
B
A
B
A
E
A
B
A
B
We've
spent
money
to
do
the
to
do
to
look
at
the
feasibility
of
the
interim
uses.
Is
it
possible
that
the
feasibility
study
that's
that's
being
requested
here?
He
counts
a
bradford's
letter.
You
could
build
upon
the
studies
already
made
so
that
it
wouldn't
cost
an
arm
and
a
leg
to
look
at
this
extra
piece
that.
A
N
A
B
Thank
you,
police
questions.
I
only
have
two
more
minutes
so
54:55
there.
There
are
really
two
reasons
to
to
rejoice
here.
54,
really,
the
part
of
the
reason
you're
shifting
them
to
55
is
that
the
facility
that
division
54
is
in
right
now
is
just
it's
a
no-go
in
the
very
short
term.
Am
I
right?
That's
still
that's
still
the
big
problems,
54.
E
B
The
overall
transformation
task
force
we're
looking
at
20
in
a
number
of
places.
My
divisions,
in
fact
of
my
new
giant
Ward,
are
one
of
them,
but
this
one
not
only
is
it
urgent,
but
it's
also
one
of
the
first
ones
where
we
actually
have
a
viable
site,
it's
very
hard
to
find
a
viable
site
for
these
Twinings.
Is
that
not
the
case
that.
B
A
gift
dropped
in
our
lap
if
any
study
going
forward.
If
we're
going
to
start
to
to
hone
this
master
plan,
those
have
to
be
deal
breakers,
that
they
are
sited
now
and
and
we've
got
to
go
ahead
because
54
just
has
to
shut.
Doesn't
it
okay
and
I'm,
not
in
the
police
port
anymore,
so
I'm
wondering
we
could
just
get
an
update
on
the
transportation
transformational
task
force
overall,
there's
some
confusion
because
we've
had
to
add
some
officers.
B
We've
had
to
deal
with
some
girls
in
retirement,
but
the
overarching
goal
is
to
get
through
these
Twinings
using
technology.
That
plan
is
still
going
forward
in
terms
of
twinning.
There
is
a
pattern
5455
and
then
we
move
on
from
there.
We've
got
to
get
this
capital
project
done
because
there
are
more
coming.
Is
that
not
the
case
yeah.
K
K
A
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
those
the
I
was
just
happen
to
mention
that
that
use
those
are,
those
are
potential
uses
just
to
give
an
example
of
what
could
occur.
The
feasibility
study
exercise,
that
is,
that
is
the
next
step
towards
implementation,
will
help
to
determine
what
specific
uses
make
the
most
sense,
how
they
can
be
implemented,
and
if
there
are
any
operational
issues
such
as
parking,
how
that
can
be
addressed.
The
long
term
goal
for
the
site,
as
addressed
in
the
master
plan,
is
to
provide
for
below
grade
parking
in
specific
situation.
O
A
Correct
so
so,
there's
also
the
the
barn
structure
itself
is
recommended
to
be
listed
on
the
city's
Heritage
Register
to
maintain
and
be
adaptively
reused.
The
the
long,
the
interim
and
long
term
focus
would
be
to
create,
create
a
more
community
serving
site
to
create
open
space
around
that
barn
structure,
as
well
as
utilize
that
barn
structure
for
community
uses.
How.
O
A
A
A
J
O
A
A
three
amount
of
speaker
that
is,
a
question
that
we
can
address
for
the
feasibility
study
to
look
for
potential
partners
and
farmers
market
partners,
other
other
partners
that
could
locate
in
the
site,
but
that
is
the.
That
is
the
next
step
that
needs
to
occur.
To
be
able
to
answer
that
question
of
fo
has.
O
E
D
I
Thank
you.
Madam
Speaker
I
would
like
to
thank
staff
for
their
work
on
this
file
over
the
past
year
year
and
a
half.
This
is
a
really
important
site
for
the
East
End,
not
just
the
East
End,
the
city
as
a
whole.
We
went
through
a
really
fantastic
community
process
in
getting
to
the
report
in
the
recommendations
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
and
it's
councillor.
I
Fletcher
alluded
that
was,
that
was
actually
something
that
started
under
the
carriage
of
councillor
Fletcher
councillor,
McMahon,
councillor
Davis
and
councillor
Freddie
Dacus
at
the
point,
because
it's
at
the
intersection
of
Danforth
and
Cox
well,
where
you
had
four
former
wards
meeting.
So
it
was
a
robust
process
with
lots
of
great
input
from
them
and
I'm
grateful
for
that.
As
I
mentioned
the
size
and
the
scale
of
this
site
is
really
what's
special
and
the
location
and
proximity,
of
course,
the
TTC
sites.
I
Like
this,
you
know
they
really
are
marquee
city
building
sites,
it
is
similar
to
distillery
or
evergreen
brickworks
or
which
word
Barnes
and
I.
Think
the
community
is
really
excited
about
the
opportunities
here
that
will
really
catalyze
around
the
investment.
From
both
Toronto
Police
Services
and
the
TTC
actually
locating
to
that
site,
I
think
we've
had
a
great
process
here.
I
It's
also
significant
because
we're
not
just
actually
coordinating
across
departments
here,
like
we
do
on
a
lot
of
files,
we're
actually
coordinating
across
divisions
and
that's
something
that
the
city
should
be
commended
for
TPS
TTC,
creatine,
real
estate
planning,
they've
all
been
terrific
partners
on
this
and
again,
you
know
we're
familiar
with
the
bureaucracy
here.
We
understand
that
that
can
be
challenging,
but
I
think
that
this
is
actually
a
road
map
and
a
template
for
creating
forward
on
other
sites,
particularly
as
we're
looking
at
all
of
the
housing
now
opportunities
across
the
city.
I
I
From
day
one
prior
to
my
days
as
a
councillor,
I
was
I
was
involved
in
that
organization
and
we
were
at
the
original
meetings
with
Toronto
police
on
on
them
actually
locating
and
coming
to
this
site,
and
it's
it's
really
remarkable
to
reflect
on
where
we
are
today
and
I
want
to
thank
councillor
Carroll
actually
for
those
questions,
because
her
questions
were
really
focusing
on
the
the
feasibility
piece
on
the
interim
study
for
the
barn
and
in
recommendation
eight.
That's
where
we
have
that
funding.
I
We
recognize
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
long
term
process
getting
to
that
final
state
of
adaptive,
reuse
of
the
barn
structure.
But
it's
really
important
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
make
the
most
of
this
asset
for
the
community
in
the
in
term.
So
I'm
excited
to
see
this
project
go
forward.
I
think
the
recommendations
that
we
have
here
are
thoughtful.
We
see
a
prioritization
of
affordable
housing,
which
of
course,
is
a
top
priority
for
this
city,
but
also
employment,
and
that
was
something
that
really
came
out
of
the
the
community
consultation.
I
You
know.
We
know
that
our
transit
system
and
our
network
is
certainly
at
capacity
running
westbound
in
the
morning,
and
it
does
make
sense
for
us
to
look
at
the
distribution
of
employment
and
opportunities
across
the
city
and
and
perhaps
provide
some
relief
and
additional
capacity
by
bringing
people
out
east.
You
know,
complete
communities
really
are
just
that.
It's
live-work-play,
it's
not
just
bedroom
communities,
it's
not
just
where
people
live,
but
it's
that
mix
of
uses
the
opportunity
for
housing
the
opportunity
for
employment.
That's
what
really
makes
a
community
sing!
I
D
B
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
and
I'm
glad
that
the
local
councillor
doesn't
mind
my
asking
questions.
I
I,
really
I
really
only
want
to
stress,
because
I'm,
a
big
fan
of
the
transformation,
huge
fan
of
the
police
transformation
task
force.
People
are
kind
of
unaware
of
where
it's
at
in
its
various
stages
and
how
it's
going
on,
and
the
fact
that
they're
unaware
is
a
good
thing.
B
I
think
it
bodes
well
for
the
whole
rest
of
the
transformation.
My
only
concern
is
that,
if
we're
continuing
to
hone
the
the
exciting
uses
of
the
barns,
both
the
interim
uses
and
looking
at
if
some
of
them
can
be
regularized
into
the
into
the
whole
site
that
we
that
we
don't
let
this
become
like
a
transit
project
where
we
start
to
change
our
minds
along
the
way.
B
The
reason
I
ask
the
questions
about
how
urgent
it
is
around
50
for
closing
down,
while
we're
doing
this
adaptive
piece,
while
we're
loading
to
70%
shifts
into
one
division,
which
which
is
basically
putting
a
hundred
and
forty
percent
of
service
into
a
division
that
was
designed
to
hold
about
80%
of
that,
that
has
to
be
temporary
and
the
Deadlands
have
to
be
held
too.
And
so
we
we
really
need
the
community
to
be
on
board
with
keeping
the
deadlines
so
to
find
those
exciting
uses.
B
We
got
to
keep
this
deadline
because
it
leads
to
the
same
sort
of
product
happening
across
the
city,
so
I'm
excited
that
we
now
have
have
a
smaller
conversation,
because
this
is
one
of
those
silver
linings
of
a
bill
number
five,
that
there
are
two
counselors
that
can
bring
the
community
together
and
work
on
this.
It's
probably
a
more
workable
moderate
model
and
really
excited
about
it.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
D
B
G
You
speaker
I'm
just
going
to
walk
everybody
through
how
we
got
here.
This
was
the
first
consolidation
of
two
police
divisions
in
the
city
and
it's
a
major
major
activity.
At
that
time
there
was
four
wards.
There
was
councillor
Davis,
McMahon,
Fraga,
Dacus
and
Fletcher.
Who
worked?
We
were
looking.
Where
are
these
stations
going
to
be?
Would
it
be
at
East,
Jerk,
Civic
Center
would
101
Cox?
Well,
we
be
rebuilt
and
then
this
great
site
came
up
and
everybody
said
this
is
the
greatest
place.
G
Let's
do
that
and
I
was
just
looking
on
here
at
when
we
first
agreed
to
this
site
that
four
of
us
sent
a
letter
to
executive,
indicating
all
the
things
that
should
be
on
the
site
and
who
should
be
worked
with
to
determine
that
and
it's
very
fulsome
at
City
Planning,
really
the
City
Planning
real
estate,
Toronto
Realty,
which
is
now
create
TTC
police
service,
Public,
Library,
economic
development
and
culture
and
affordable
housing.
All
look
at
the
potential
of
this
garage
site
because
it
does
have
a
lot
of
potential.
G
G
This
wasn't
the
easiest
site
to
get
an
agreement
on
and
we
did
have
to
work
with
the
community
in
that
way
to
say
what
is
going
to
be
the
benefit
of
having
the
mixed,
54
and
55
division
there
and
everybody
came
to
an
agreement.
We
should
have
some
affordable
housing.
Maybe
the
library
can
be
rebuilt,
it's
a
long
term
master
plan
for
the
site,
but,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
part
of
the
quick
start
has
to
be
getting
some
community
activity
in
that
barn.
So
that
was
what
I
agreed
to
that's.
G
My
constituents
have
been
involved
in
this
in
the
planning
and
design
and
I,
don't
want
to
see
them
left
out
as
we
go
forward
into
the
future.
So
we'll
have
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
happen.
I
do
want
to
say
two
things
about
this,
though,
that
seven
years
to
start
the
design
and
approval
the
design
of
looking
for
a
space
till
when
it
opens
I
think
is
it
too
long
to
have
a
division
divided
in
two
places,
I'm
going
to
say
that
and
I
think
mr.
Bennett's
jános
knows
I
feel
strongly
about
that.
G
The
police
structure
is
a
command
structure.
You
can't
have
something
two
kilometers
away
and
vfn
be
as
effective
as
you
can.
If
everybody's
in
the
same
building,
so
that
to
me,
has
been
the
weakness
of
this
entire
exercise,
I'm
very
disappointed
today
to
hear
that
were
another
three
years
out
to
2024.
It
was
already
hard
enough
having
the
two
buildings
and
watching
how
that
isn't
exactly
how
a
police
service
operates,
because
it
does
operate
with
a
command
structure.
We're
lucky
enough
to
have
been
awarded
inspector,
a
staff
inspector
that
wasn't
part
of
the
plan.
G
I
think
that
as
it's
gone
along
and
I'm
warning
all
of
you
who
will
have
a
consolidation
that
those
are
the
wrinkles
that
you
have
to
watch
very
carefully,
that
there
are
enough
enough
senior
management
in
the
model
if
it's
divided
over
two
sites
in
order
to
be
effective
as
a
police
division.
Now
55,
of
course,
has
been
a
premier
police
division
for
a
long
time,
sending
many
officers
up
to
be
deputies
and
deputies
at
Toronto,
Police
Service.
So
it's
got
a
great
history.
G
I
am
concerned
about
this
being
so
long,
I'm
going
to
say
it
now,
because
2024
is
too
long.
If
it
goes
past
that,
then
how
can
we
say
we're
having
a
one
site?
A
United
Police
Division
and
over
seven
years
or
longer,
they're
in
two
different
divisions.
Perhaps
we
should
have
consolidated
this
in
a
little
different
way.
So
my
message
to
any
of
you
that
are
going
to
have
an
amalgamation
come
up.
G
Is
we
need
to
be
a
little
more
careful
around
the
timing,
how
those
are
being
distilled
over
a
couple
of
sites
how
effective
that
is
and
when
I
asked
about
the
bicycles
that
54
is
an
employment
area,
there's
nobody
living
there,
but
where
the
cyclists
are
where
our
bike,
our
bike
cops,
are
there
at
the
waterfront,
they're
downtown,
so
there's
an
hour
a
day
of
traveling
back
and
forth,
and
thank
you
bicycles,
which
is
a
wasted
1
hour
that
we're
paying.
Thank
you.
D
D
E
D
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
a
couple
of
questions
for
staff.
I
wanted
to
articulate
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
changes
that
were
made
at
committee
I've
since
had
some
conversations
with
the
industry.
Through
you
to
staff
I
wondered
committee.
We
made
a
number
of
changes
to
the
recommendations
that
were
brought
forward
and
one
of
them
was
to
limit
the
separation
distance
between
clothing
boxes.
So
it
reads
that
new
clothing
boxes
would
have
to
be
at
least
250
metres
away
from
existing
ones.
P
Originally
in
our
staff
report
and
in
previous
staff
reports,
we
have
not
recommended
a
distance,
so
it's
not
something
we
we
felt
was
necessary.
We
feel
that
the
two
per
box,
two
property
and
the
other
guidelines
about
one
meter
from
a
sidewalk
nine
meters
from
an
entranceway
three
metres
from
a
driveway
all
address
those
concerns.
Now.
P
O
There's
the
report
and
the
suggestions
from
your
report
and
the
the
the
editions
of
the
committee
puts
you
in
a
better
position
than
you
were
before
today
to
try
to
enforce
the
requirement
for
clothing
boxes
to
be
licensed
and
in
a
way
gets
you
set
up
to
clean
up
some
of
the
boxes
that
are
not
licensed
and
alleviate.
Some
of
the
councillors
concerns.
O
O
Wanted
just
to
bring
to
council's
attention
what
we
were
talking
about
at
government,
licensing
committee
and
I
will
stress
the
licensing
component
of
it.
We
know
that
the
concerns
raised
by
councillors
around
clothing
boxes
are
wide
and
breadth.
We've
heard
of
today
or
sorry
yesterday
about
illegal
dumping
around
those
boxes.
We
also
heard
a
little
bit
about
concerns
over
the
supply
chain
or
the
back
end
supply
chain
of
what
happens
when
you
deposit
things
into
the
boxes.
O
O
O
O
P
O
I
think
we
talked
about
that
the
committee,
but
are
have
you
been
given
direction
to
explore
ways
to
really
identify
those
boxes
that
fall
into
the
category
of
charity
with
some
type
of
graphics
or
stickers
or
things,
and
is
there
opportunity
for
the
charities
to
band
together?
There's
I
think
you
said
there
were
six
or
seven
of
them
to
band
together
and
come
up
with
some
graphics
that
look
similar
so
that
they
themselves
can
promote
them
there.
Their
operations
over
the
private
entities
right.
P
So
we
have
a
label
I'm
showing
it
here
is
really
what
the
permit
looks
like
that
says.
You
are
warranted
and
then
to
have
a
charity.
The
way
you're
branded
on
your
box
outlines
that
to
have
a
sticker.
That
is
a
different
color
for
charity
or
not
for
charity.
Again,
there
would
be
a
lot
of
public
education
on
that
piece.
We
feel
what
we
have
is
is
acceptable.
Last.
O
Q
O
D
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
very
pleased
that
we're
actually
dealing
with
this
issue.
I've
asked
for
a
report
way
back
in
2013
because
of
the
issues
I'm
having
in
my
ward
and
I'm
sure
counts.
There's
another
Ward.
So
can
you
tell
me,
do
you
have
a
job
a
list
of
how
many
complaints
that
you've
received,
since
we
approved
this
by
law
from
counselors
or
residents.
E
D
An
80,
and
so
what
would
the
cost
of
with
all
these
complaints
and
and
a
lot
of
these
complaints
when
they're,
when
the
register
that
it
takes
sometimes
weeks
to
enforce
because
they're
illegal
clothing
boxes?
What
would
you
say
would
be
the
cost
of
the
year
enforcement
over
the
years
on
enforcing
the
bylaw
in
removing
the
illegal
boxes?
D
Q
Q
If
we're
dealing
with
it's
a
unlicensed
unpermitted
box
that
gets
more
complicated
because
then
the
removal
of
that
box,
we
have
to
bring
in
other
resources
to
do
it,
because
our
officers
obviously
can't
just
pick
it
up
and
throw
in
the
back
of
a
pickup
truck
like
they
would,
with
an
illegal
sign,
for
instance,
so
I
can't
give
you
an
actual
cost
breakdown.
Yeah.
D
So
I
mean
it
does
take.
It
does
take
weeks
to
remove
these
illegal
boxes
that
are
not
permitted,
but
when
it
comes
to
waste
where
people
have
their
their
garbage
sofas
and
all
this
furniture
just
thrown
in
front
of
the
box,
it
does
take
a
while
for
the
city
to
go
and
pick
it
up
or
contact
the
company
that
has
the
permit.
So
it
takes
a
while
for
that
cleanup.
Yes,.
Q
D
F
Q
The
it
gets,
unfortunately
a
little
complicated
we
can
remove
them.
We
may
have
to
give
them
notice,
but
effective
bottom
line
is
yes,
we
can
remove
them,
while
the
challenge
is
with
the
vial
all
the
way
it's
currently
structured,
as
though,
once
we
remove
them,
we
have
to
hold
them
for
30
days,
so
that
creates
some
logistical
challenges
for
us.
That's
one
of
the
proposals
in
the
bylaw
to
streamline
that
and
not
require
us
to
hold
the
box
once
we
remove
it
and
have
more
actionable
timelines,
three
days
notice,
and
then
we
can
remove
it.
D
Q
D
P
P
D
R
P
P
P
R
Of
course,
we
also
have
a
social
capital
framework
in
which
we
work
closely
with
charities
to
make
sure
they
can
do
business
in
the
best
way
possible
to
to
help
help
various
communities
marginalized
communities,
poor
communities,
those
without
throughout
our
city.
Can
we
can
we
say
that
the
drop
box
program
it's
in
well
with
that
through.
R
Q
Enforcement
of
the
the
way
it's
currently
structured
does
create
challenges
for
us
going
forward.
It's
still
going
to
have
some
challenges,
but
we
can
have
better
efficiencies
and
improvements
to
make
our
enforcement
somewhat
better,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
just
so,
we
have
a
clearer
understanding.
An
illegal
clothing
drop
box
will
have
to
be
removed.
There's
a
lot
of
these
illegal
clothing
drop
boxes.
We
don't
know
who
the
operator
is
behind
them,
because
they
they
don't
voluntarily
disclose
themselves.
Q
R
You've
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
that
one
of
the
barriers
to
enforcement
is
the
way
the
current
bylaw
is
written.
Aren't
we
here
today
with
this
report
to
modernize,
update
and
streamline
our
bylaws?
That's
correct.
So
if
we
pass
this
package,
are
your
comments?
Mute?
In
other
words,
we'll
have
the
tools
we
need
to
they'll.
Q
Improve
on
them,
but
again
we're
not
going
to
be
going
out
there,
removing
clothing
drop
boxes
every
day.
We
would
do
once
or
twice
a
year
blitzes.
Obviously,
if
there's
a
clothing
drop
box
up
roof
is
a
safety
hazard
or
concern
from
visual
sight
lines.
We
would
act
on
that
right
away,
but
it's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
be
out
there
every
day
doing
enforcement
on
so.
R
One
of
the
problems
that
that
I
have
found
in
in
Ward
six
are
illegitimate
operators
plunking
a
box
down
in
a
parking
lot.
That's
shared
by
multiple
stores
with
multiple
owners
and
enforcement
is
difficult
because
we
can't
figure
out
who,
whether
it
was
ever
approved
to
be
on
that
site
and
who's
responsible
for
ordering
its
removal.
How
do
we
deal
with
those
situations
on
small
plazas,
where
it's
dumped
and
put
down
on
a
mutual
mutual
parking
lot,
with
no
clear
communications
with
with
the
people
who
gave
the
okay
to
it?
So.
Q
Our
first
step
would
be
to
contact
the
property
owner
and
make
them
aware
that
there's
an
illegal
clothing
drop
box
on
their
property.
Hopefully
they
will
take
the
action
themselves
as
the
property
owner
to
remove
that
how
that
box
removed,
but
they
don't
with
the
new
bylaw
purple.
If
the
amendments
we're
proposing,
we
would
be
able
to
within
three
days
of
posting
a
notice
on
that
box,
remove
it
and
have
it
disposed
of
so.
Q
R
E
H
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
your
answers
about
the
proposed
250
metres.
So
if
I
understood
your
answer
correctly,
if
there
were
currently
two
boxes,
existing
boxes
within
250
metres
that
wouldn't
be
a
problem
under.
If
the,
if
the
motion
passes,
is
that
correct,
they
wouldn't
be
covered,
they'd
be
pre-existing.
The.
P
H
P
H
Yeah,
so
the
you
could
only
have
two
per
property
if
the
property
was
more
than
250
meters
wide
or
deep,
correct.
Okay.
So
if
you
have
an
area
that,
for
example,
has
a
lot
of
condos
and
new
condo
goes
up
and
somebody
puts
in
a
new
box
and
then
a
condo
a
couple
of
blocks
away
says:
oh,
that's
a
good
idea.
We
would
like
to
have
one
of
those
too,
because
we
have
400
units
and
a
lot
of
people
who
divert
used
clothing.
P
H
P
H
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
deal
with
some
councillors,
concerns
with
issues
with
drop
boxes
and
their
Ward,
and
they
don't
want
any
more
drop
boxes
for
valid
reasons
and
other
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
people
aren't
having
the
problem
with
drop
boxes
and
welcome
more
of
them.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
deal
with
that
right?.
J
Q
P
P
Q
P
Very
good
question:
it
is
a
permit.
Some.
Some
companies
have
hundreds
of
them,
so
it
multiplies
but
you're
right
from
a
perspective
of
there's
five
hundred.
Eighty
bucks
is
that
a
little
over
a
hundred
dollars-
it's
you
know,
fifty
eight
thousand
dollars
is-
is
not
a
lot
to
to
to
help
with
this
program.
But
these
these
permits
are
also
on
private
property.
They
are
not
on
the
right-of-way.
P
G
P
We
do
not
have
that
that
the
true
costs
to
deliver,
because
it's
it's
varying
ranges
of
enforcement.
We
are
going
to
have
to
contract
out
to
remove
boxes.
So
it's
and
the
other
challenge
is
the
people
paying
for
the
program
if
it
was
fully
cost
recovery.
A
lot
of
our
problems
are
the
people
who
haven't
paid
for
it,
so
the
people
are
paying
for
to
enforce
against
the
the
illegals,
but.
G
P
G
P
G
P
G
S
So
for
me,
in
these
Dennis,
Scarborough
and
I
know
a
lot
of
councillors.
One
of
the
biggest
concerns
I,
get
from
residences,
around
transportation
and
transit
and
speeding
in
the
communities
followed
closely
by
that
is
clothing
boxes
and
the
issues
around
are
they
legal?
Are
they
permitted
the
debris
and
the
garbage
around
them?
You
know,
and
the
other
issue
is
around,
who
actually
who
owns
them
and
who
has
the
right
to
have
them
there
and
how
to
get
them
down.
S
I
have
ploughs
and
property
owners,
they
get
a
clothing
drop
box
that
are
put
on
their
property
and
they're
afraid
to
even
touch
it.
They
don't
want
to
touch
it.
They
think
they
can't
touch
it.
I
actually
had
one
property
owner
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
when
this
was
brought
to
his.
He
was
calling
my
office
saying
how
do
I
get
rid
of
this
and
I
said
well,
you're
the
property
owner.
It's
on
your
property.
S
If
you
want
to
get
rid
of
it,
just
take
it
down,
he's
sending
one
of
his
maintenance
guys
that
with
a
chainsaw
and
and
dealt
with
it
in
about
15
minutes,
because
the
city
said
it's,
the
city
process
was
explained
to
them
and
they're
like
well.
It's
my
property
I'm
just
gonna
deal
with
it
myself,
but
they
are
a
large
issue.
You
know
we
have
some
organizations,
I
won't
name
they're,
very
good.
They
look
after
their
boxes.
Other
organizations
have
given
up
on
the
boxes
completely
and
they
go
door-to-door.
S
S
I
know
some
councillors
are
frustrated,
as
am
I
that
the
way
the
process
works
now
they
have
to
pick
the
box
up
once
they
get
it
and
figure
out
who
owns
they
can
give
them
30
days
to
come
and
get
it
which
I
know
for
a
lot
of
people,
even
my
resonance
when
that's
explained
to
them
they're
like
the
boxes
there
illegally.
Why
can't
it
just
be
picked
up
and
taken
to
the
dump.
So
this
is
the
motion
that
I'm
putting
forward
and
I'd
asked
for
everyone's
support.
B
R
You,
madam
Deputy
Speaker,
now
I,
don't
have
the
motion
in
front
of
me,
but
at
a
quick
glance.
Oh
there
we
go
what,
if
you
had
two
two
boxes
and
I
see
them
on
occasion,
two
boxes
with
approval
to
two
boxes
by
the
same
charity:
side
by
side
approved
on
a
private
private
property
with
would
one
of
those
have
to
be
removed
under
your
motion.
R
G
Q
Thank
you,
madam
Deputy
Speaker
I
can
see.
If
you
put
the
motion
back
up
there
I
think
it's
BB,
oh
here
this
right
here.
Would
you
consider
a
friendly
amendment
to
put
in
after
religious
businesses?
Also
sorry
on
B
be
you've
identified.
Those
are
considered
charity
organization,
religious
institution.
Would
you
business
in
there
also
yep
you're
registered,
but
there
are
business
yep
I'm,
fine
with
that
you
put
that
in
it's
friendly,
a
minute
yep.
Thank
you.
F
For
you
do
counselor
Ainsley
part,
be
it
require
that
when
notifying
the
local
counselor
of
request
for
a
new
clothing
drop
box
other
than
a
permit
or
second
box
at
the
same
site
now
are
you?
Are
you
trying
to
say
that
if
there's
a
permitted
use
and
somebody's
putting
in
a
new
box
that
they
notify
your
offices?
Yes,
yep?
Okay,
what
about
it
there's
nothing
there
and
they
want
to
put
a
new
drop
box.
Can
we
address
that
in
your
a
that?
F
S
F
B
F
Can
we
counselor
I
just
want
to
I
mean
I,
understand
the
we
I,
understand
the
wording
and
I
understand
you
what
you're
trying
to
do,
but
thank
you,
but
my
question
is:
can
we
just
sort
of
jig
it
up
to
so
it's
clear
require
then
we're
notifying
the
local
counselor
of
requests
for
new
Dropbox
the
win.
Can
you
say
that
that
notifying
they
they
must
notify
the
local
counselor
of
a
new
request
drop
box
right?
Can
we
change
that
say
from
when
notifying
they
must
notify?
F
S
H
Thank
you,
councillor,
Ainsley
I,
believe
I,
just
just
refresh
my
recollection,
so
this
would
go
alongside
another
recommendation
from
the
committee
that
you're
not
suggesting
be
deleted.
That
councillors
have
the
ability
to
say
no
to
a
drop
box.
Is
that
correct
so
and
I'm
looking
to
councillor
Nunziata
just
because
I
she's,
ignoring
you,
she's,
well
she's
preoccupied
but
I'm,
just
I'm
trying
to
catch
counsel
enunciate
as
a
tension
on
this
question.
Just
because
my
understanding
and
I'm
glad
I'm
asking
you
the
question?
Yes.
H
So
if,
if
a
councilors
concern
is
that
they
have
too
many
drop
boxes
and
they're
not
being
properly
maintained,
there
is
a
motion
that
councillor
Nunziata
made,
which
says
those
counselors
in
effect
can
say
no
to
new
drop
boxes.
It's
that
correctly.
So
this
your
motion
doesn't
change
that
that
would
still
exist.
This
just
affects
the
250
meter
distance.
H
B
B
D
B
B
F
That
speaker
there
we
go.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
I
feel
a
little
bit
taken
back
listening
to
counselor
Nunziata
and
which
is
a
speaker
say
that
she
was
offended
with
what
I
got.
My
colleague
did.
I
mean
we
all
are.
We
can
change
our
mind
and
I
think.
Maybe
the
the
speaker
might
want
to
reiterate
those
words
so.
B
S
Do
madam
Speaker,
so
as
the
chair
of
the
general
government
licensing
committee
as
chair,
this
Standing
Committee,
one
of
the
things
I
like
to
do
is
read
the
procedural
bylaw
and
understand
it
and
make
sure
that
the
committee's
run
properly
and
we
have
a
process
where
we
ask
questions
of
staff
and
then
counselors
can
speak
about
it
and
they
can
move
motions,
there's
no
ability
once
the
counselor
moves.
The
motion
task
staff,
if
it's
clarified
or
if
it
works
for
them.
S
So
unfortunately,
sometimes
we
move
motions
at
committee
and
they
get
passed
and
staff
have
an
issue
with
it,
and
so
it
can't
one
of
the
things
we
can
do
on
the
floor
counsel
is
try
and
support
our
staff
make
sure
that
the
motion
works
for
them,
so
they
can
do
their
work
properly
and
we
can
support
our
residents
and
the
staff
can
we
can
support
our
staff?
So
that's
why
I
move
this
motion
today?
Unfortunately,
councilor
in
NZ
odda
has
an
issue
with
our
procedural
bylaw.
B
So
councillor
is
that
your
pointer
privileges
recognized,
as
is
councillor
care,
Janice
and
I,
have
already
asked
the
councillor
to
refrain
from
editorializing
by
name
councillor
Annunziata,
that
took
a
few
minutes
and
you
had
barely
started
so
I'm,
just
gonna
restart
your
time.
Thank
you.
I'm
quite.
D
This
has
been
an
issue
for
me
and
my
board
and
I'm
sure
other
Ward's,
as
well,
with
the
clothing
boxes
and
I
know
in
particular,
have
like
clothing
boxes,
five
or
six
or
even
more,
on
one
block
on
the
city's
right
away.
We
have
them
everywhere,
and
a
lot
of
them
are
illegal
and
it
takes
me
whenever
I
file
complaint.
D
It
takes
me
forever
to
have
that
cleaned
up
or
removed
because
we're
because
of
our
resources,
I
have
people,
dumping,
furniture,
sofas,
garbage
refrigerators
next
to
these
boxes,
they're
using
it
as
a
garbage
bin,
because
they
don't
want
to
keep
their
garbage
in
there
bin
sister,
it's
full,
so
they
just
dump
it
at
the
clothing
boxes.
I
understand
a
lot
of
them
are
legal
boxes
and
it
is
for
charity,
but
we
have
so
many
locations
where
clothing
can
be
dropped
off
the
Salvation
Army
at
the
churches.
D
There
are
other
places
to
drop
off
the
clothing
boxes,
but
since
this
bylaw
was
put
in
place
on
14,
the
illegal
ones
are
just
putting
them
up
and
we
can't
enforce
the
illegal
boxes
and
I
asked
a
question
to
stop
about
the
distance
and
the
staff
said
they
didn't
have
a
problem
with
it.
The
only
people
that
had
a
problem
with
it
are
the
are
the,
but
are
the
people
that
have
the
boxes.
D
The
staff
don't
have
a
problem
with
it
and
as
far
as
some
notifying
the
councillors
what's
happened
in
the
past,
I
know
Cal.
So
Crawford
you,
you
weren't
aware
of
it,
but
the
boxes
are
put
up
without
the
permission
of
the
local
councillor,
they're
just
put
up,
we
find
out
about
it
once
they're
put
up
and
there's
no
way.
We
don't
have
a
say
on
where
they
go.
We
don't
have
we.
D
We
can't
say
yes
or
no
to
these
boxes,
and
so
we
can't
control
them
and
it's
costing
us,
in
my
opinion,
thousands
of
dollars
for
enforcement,
because
we
have
enough.
We
have
the
staff,
don't
have
enough
resources
to
go
out
and
and
pick
up
all
these
illegal
boxes,
and
so
we
need
to.
We
really
need
to
move
these
recommendations
and
try
to
clean
up
and
the
legal
ones.
That's
fine,
but
I
think
that
90%
of
them
are
illegal
in
my
opinion,
because
they
don't
even
have
any
signs
on
these
boxes.
D
D
Even
it
didn't
even
have
a
label
on
it,
and
here
this
is
what's
happening
in
the
city
and
so
I'm
sure
that
I'm,
not
the
only
one
that
has
this
issue
with
clothing
boxes
and
so
I
asked
members
to
please
support
the
recommendations
that
I
put
forward
and
not
support
councilor
NZ's
motion,
because
when
I
asked
these
questions
to
staff,
they
were
very,
very
clear
to
me
that
they
didn't
have
an
issue
with
my
recommendations
that
I
put
forward
so
I.
Don't
know
why
we
have
to
delete
them.
D
If
the
staff
don't
have
an
issue
with
them,
we
can
work
with
the
with
the
I
know
the
diabetes.
Some
has
been
lobbying
members
of
council
and
that's
probably
why
everyone's
reconsidering
my
recommendations,
but
we
can
work
with
them
and
working
and
putting
their
boxes
in
an
appropriate
location
without
causing
any
issues
with
them
and
causing
a
problem
for
them.
I
think
that
we
can
work
with
them.
But
if
you,
if
you
prove
my
recommendation,
we're
taking
an
aggressive
approach
and
being
proactive
in
enforcement,
so
I'm
asking
members
of
council
to
please
support
my
recommendations.
B
O
O
So
this
is
a
technical
amendment
to
a
recommendation
brought
forth
by
the
committee
to
simply
offer
clarity
and
I'll
thank
the
clerk's
for
pointing
out
the
issue
and
my
original
motions,
intent
and
the
emotions
intent
continues
to
be
that
we
give
the
MLS
staff
powers
to
immediately
remove
a
box
on
public
property
and
dispose
of
it
right
away
and
the
current
recommendation
or
sorry.
The
previous
recommendations
before
the
committee
was
to
give
three
days
notice
and
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
have
that
notice.
O
We
should
just
give
them
the
power
to
do
it
right
away,
and
so
this
is
just
a
slight
tweak
to
the
wording
from
the
committee.
The
second
thing
I
wanted
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
and
if
I
can
ask
the
clerk's
to
put
the
map
up
on
the
screen,
I
will
admit.
I
know
that
councillor
Ainsley
moved
the
motion,
but
I
did
talk
to
councilor
Ansley
about
this
motion.
O
Going
up,
so
I
went
to
the
city's
open
data
portal
and
I
downloaded
the
list
of
500
and
500
or
so
box
locations
that
are
licensed
and
the
really
good
folks
in
IT
plotted
them
on
a
map,
and
you
know
what
the
map
shows
it's
up
on
the
screen,
and
it
shows
that
the
majority
of
the
boxes
that
are
licensed
today
are
less
than
250
metres
apart.
So
we've
got
a
big
problem.
O
O
The
committee's
recommendations
were
to
implement
a
set
of
rules
that
say
that
a
counselor
can
refuse
a
new
box
application
much
in
the
same
way
that
we
refuse
something
like
a
noise
exemption,
and
the
motion
goes
so
far
to
say
that
if
something
is
within
250
meters,
that
staff
will
expressly
flag
it
with
the
counselor.
So
it's
really
clear
that
this
is
close
to
another
box.
O
That
counselor
then
can
make
the
decision
to
turn
down
that
application,
and
if
the
applicant
wants
to
appeal
it,
they
can
bring
it
to
Community,
Council
and
so
really
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
members
understood
that
I
think
all
counselors
are
sensitive
to
the
issues
that
councilor
Annunziata
has
brought
forward.
I
think
other
counselors
have
them
also
in
their
ward,
but
having
a
really
strict
rule
that
makes
staff
refused
any
application
of
a
box.
O
So
if
we
felt
citizens
really
we're
looking
for
charitable
boxes,
it
would
be
really
clear
on
this
map
where
the
locations
are
and
that's
because
we
have
a
licensing
regime
that
requires
people
to
identify
the
locations
of
legal
boxes
and
we've
got
the
list.
It's
all
in
the
system.
So,
to
make
this
map
happen
is
not
very
difficult,
and
the
last
thing
that
the
map
does
is
lets.
Everyone
know
how
to
tell
if
a
box
is
illegal.
O
So
if
a
property
owner
sees
a
box
show
up
onto
their
site
and
there
isn't
a
corresponding
pin
point
on
map,
they
should
be
calling
3-1-1
and
saying.
What
is
this
get
this
out
of
here?
Get
some
enforcement
done
same
thing
for
a
citizen
that
spots
one
on
the
side
of
the
road,
because
we
know
they
will
creep
up
and
they'll
be
put
there
they'll
ask
3-1-1
to
get
rid
of
this
box,
and
you
know
what
we
now
will
give
the
staff
the
power
to
pick
up
that
box.
O
B
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm
gonna
move
emotion.
Don't
anybody
panic,
because
it's
a
report
for
later
it
doesn't
affect
the
the
main
debate
we're
having
here
today,
but
city
council
requests
the
executive
director
municipal
licensing
and
standards
to
report
to
the
general
government
and
licensing
committee
on
the
feasibility
of
limiting
clothing
dropboxes
to
only
charities,
religious
institutions
and
community
organizations.
Now
the
reason
part
of
the
reason
that
legal
staff
suggests
that
I
would
I
send
that
back
and
they
report
to
us
and
they
promised
me
it
will
be
in
less
than
five
years.
B
I
haven't
specified
the
date,
but
it
will
be
in
in
in
honor
or
or
or
before,
the
fifth
anniversary,
but
they've
got
a
defined
community
organizations
because
that
that's
a
phrase
you
could
drive
a
truck
through
and
that's
the
problem
right
now.
It's
a
whole
lot
of
people
driving
a
truck
through
that
loosey-goosey
phrase:
community
organizations-
madam
Speaker
I,
often
ask
myself
because
this
this
will
be
the
third
time
I've
been
part
of
a
long
debate
on
clothing
drop
boxes
if
they're
so
darn
profitable.
Why
aren't
we
in
the
clothing
drop
box
business?
B
B
That
would
clean
up
the
mess
right
then
in
there,
but
the
difficulty
here
is
that
there
are
charities
that
have
begun
to
rely
on
the
funds
that
they're
making
here
what
I
understand
from
talking
to
the
deputy
city,
man
and
I
probably
could
have
asked
this
question
of
licensing
staff,
because
we
also
have
a
couple
of
private
operators
who
are
in
fact
making
donations
to
charities,
or
so
they
say,
I,
don't
know.
If
we've
ever
checked
on
that.
B
B
Some
of
them
actually
think
the
clothes
are
going
to
end
up
on
the
backs
of
kids
right
here
in
Toronto
and
I
think
we
all
know
how
many
times
that
happens
zero
times
unless
you're
dropping
it
off
on
the
loading
dock
of
a
value
village,
it's
on
its
way
to
a
boat
and
money
is
being
made.
So
what
I
want
to
look
at
is
not
legitimizing.
B
What
are
illegal
operators
right
now
by
making
it
so
that
they
can,
as
as
in
recommendation
one
see
just
say,
I'm
a
private
operator
can
I
have
one
of
those
private
operator
stickers,
and
then
we
have
to
build
a
whole
new
process.
What
I
want
is
for
staff
to
look
at.
How
do
we
define
the
operator
as
strictly
charitable
and
let
them
be
the
ones
who
are
making
those
funds
and
make
them
be
good
operators,
I'd
love
to
have
the
distance
requirement,
I'm
assured
by
staff
that
they
really
will
begin
this.
They
must
notify.
B
That's
another
recommendation.
I
think
counselor
care
Janice
didn't
realize
when
he
was
asking
for
an
amendment
to
the
motion.
Counsellor
Dunsey
ad
has
already
moved
that.
Henceforth
they
must
notify
us,
and
so
the
when
you
notify
us
give
us
the
power
to
say
no
is,
is
an
add-on
that
staff
can
live
with
and
so
I'll
support
it,
but
I
want
to
hear
back
how
we
get
rid
of
the
private
operators
altogether.
If
sick
kids
is
getting
money
from
this,
then
then
contract
someone
to
put
a
box
out
there
with
your
name
on
it.
B
My
residents
want
to
know
that
they
are
in
fact
contributing
to
charity
and
not
contributing
to
the
mess
on
the
streets
as
to
enforcement,
and
what
will
happen
happen
going
forward
here?
I
have
to
say
that
it
is
a
bit
rich
of
us
here
in
Council
to
continue
to
say
we
can't
raise
taxes.
We
can't
raise
taxes,
we
can't
raise
taxes
when
our
number
one
complaint
in
this
room
is
always.
Will
you
enforce
it
enough,
I'm
changing
a
rule?
Can
you
enforce
it
and
at
budget
time
can
we
please
get
more
enforcement?
B
And,
lastly,
when
we
pick
up
the
phone
in
our
offices,
how
many
times
a
day,
do
you
get
a
phone
call
from
a
resident
saying
you're
not
enforcing
this?
Well,
that's
a
resource
issue
and
that's
on
us.
If
you
want
the
enforcement
that
we're
asking
for
in
this
item,
if
you
want
the
enforcement
that
we
ask
if
the
police,
by
law
and
other
issues,
if
you
want
enforcement,
you
just
have
to
buy
it
by
putting
it
in
the
budget
and
how
does
our
budget
get
funded?
B
I
think
we
all
know,
that's
a
joint
relationship
between
us
and
our
residents.
You
want
more
enforcement,
you
just
have
to
pay
for
it
and
put
it
in
the
budget
and
that's
what
I've
begun
to
say
to
my
residents.
I
will
enforce
as
much
as
I
can
afford
and
if
you
want
more
than
you
and
I
have
to
have
a
conversation
about
the
affordability
equation.
Thank
you
can
that's
all
of
us.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
just
gonna
speak
very
briefly
about
the
overall
Dropbox
program.
I
mean
a
lot
of
what's
been
discussed
here.
It's
pretty
negative,
illegal
operators,
enforcement,
removing
them
finding
them,
but
the
reality
is
the
Dropbox
program
aligns
with
many
of
our
city
policies
and
objectives.
Certainly
when
it
comes
to
solid
waste
and
our
strategy,
their
diversion
and
reusing
is
a
key
philosophy
of
the
City
of
Toronto.
The
ability
to
divert
from
landfill
saves
us
millions
of
dollars
and
increases
the
lifespan
of
our
landfill
locations.
R
The
ability
for
residents
of
Toronto
to
take
clothing
and
other
items
and
donate
them
through
a
Dropbox
allows
us
to
let
the
private
sector,
whether
they
be
a
charity
or
a
non-profit
or
private
business,
to
do
our
good
work,
and
that
leads
to
my
second
point.
We
have
a
social
capital
framework
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
Well,
we
are
supposed
to
align
ourselves
and
work
with
nonprofits
charities
in
other.
D
D
R
The
second
point
I
was
trying
to
make
is
when
it
comes
to
our
social
capital
framework,
which
is
a
city
of
City
Toronto
policy
in
which
week
align
ourselves
to
work
very
closely
with
nonprofit
and
charitable
organizations
to
make
sure
they
succeed
and
in
many
cases
they
take
on
the
responsibilities
that
the
government
cannot
do.
They
run
many
of
our
shelters,
they
assist
with
food
banks,
they
assist
with
social
counseling
and
they
assist
with
a
number
of
different
functions
in
society
where
we
have
agreements
with
them.
This
is
another
avenue
for
social
capital.
R
Finally,
I
would
like
to
just
mention
a
few
charities
that
that
are
doing
great
work,
certainly
diabetes,
which
we've
heard
from
hi
lifeline,
which
helps
kids,
who
are
terminally
ill
and,
of
course,
been
a
breath.
Human
rights
organizations
all
used,
drop
boxes
and
I'll
use
the
the
donations
through
the
boxes
to
do
their
good
work.
Now,
it's
mentioned
on
several
occasions
during
this
debate
that
the
clothing
in
these
boxes
never
see
it
onto
the
backs
of
Torontonians.
R
Well,
sometimes
they
do,
and
sometimes
they
don't,
but
even
if
they
are
weighed
and
sold,
soap
and
cash
is
given
to
the
owner
or
operator
of
that
charity
box
and
the
clothing
is
shipped
overseas,
as
a
few
people
have
alluded
to.
The
funds
derived
from
those
two
nations
are
still
used
for
good
work.
The
drop
box
program
across
the
city
has
to
be
managed.
People
have
to
follow
the
work
or
the
rules,
we
need
tougher
enforcement,
but
at
the
same
time,
good
legitimate
charitable
operators
should
be
supported.
N
Thank
you,
I
rise
to
support
the
motion
put
forward
by
councillor
Carol,
which
is
to
send
this
back
to
staff
and
take
another
look
at
how
we
license
these
things.
Frankly,
if
I
had
my
druthers
I'd
go
even
further,
I'd
say:
go
back
and
look
at
whether
we
want
them
at
all
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
If
you
sat
down
with
a
blank
slate
and
asked
yourselves,
how
would
we
get
textiles
reused
and
recycled
in
the
City
of
Toronto?
This
is
not
the
system
you
would
design.
It
is
ineffective.
It
is
badly
monitored.
N
Our
city
staff
tell
us
they
have
no
idea.
They
cannot
tell
you
what
happens
to
material
that
goes
in
in
these
boxes.
We
have
no
idea
if
it's
a
cost-effective
system,
we
have
no
idea
if
it's
ecologically
sound.
We
have
no
idea
where
the
textiles
wind
up.
It's
just
poorly
designed.
It's
badly
thought
out.
It's
a
legacy
of
a
very,
very
old
40
year,
old
way
of
thinking
about
how
to
recycle
and
reuse
materials
and
in
counterpoint
to
what
councillor
Pasternak
said.
N
If
you
were
thinking
of
a
way
of
funding,
some
of
the
good
works
that
organizations
like
the
diabetes
Society
or
been
a
breath
or
others
do.
This
is
absolutely
not
the
way
you
would
do
it
now.
Councillor
Pasternak
makes
the
suggestion.
You
know
we
we
believe
in
working
in
partnership
with
not-for-profit
agencies,
to
deliver
services,
absolutely
correct.
N
If
we,
as
a
council,
think
there
needs
to
be
better
investment
in
diabetes,
work
or
Human
Rights
work,
we
can
have
a
consideration
about
whether
we
want
to
provide
direct
supports
to
them
whether
we
want
to
contract
them,
to
you
know,
improve
outcomes
around
human
rights
and
research
into
and
management
of
diabetes.
We
could
do
that,
but
to
litter
our
streets
with
third-rate
recycling
programs
that
create
unsightly
messes
are
badly
regulated
and
have
no
accountability
back
to
us,
for
environmental
outcomes
is
just
Looney
Tunes.
N
So
I
look
forward
to
the
report
that
councillor
Carroll
has
asked
for
and
I
hope
that
as
part
of
that
city
staff
take
a
step,
a
giant
step
back
from
the
world
were
in
now
and
ask
ourselves.
Is
there
a
better
way
to
get
better
outcomes
in
terms
of
reuse
and
recycling,
and
if
there's
an
issue
about
funding
some
of
the
good
works
in
the
city,
is
there
a
better
way
to
do
that?
I
cannot
believe
that
we're
bending
over
backwards
to
accommodate
a
system
that
we
know
does
not
work.
Thank
you.
N
Understand
that
a
speaker-
and
you
know
if
I
had
moved
a
motion,
I
would
be
glad
to
take
your
question.
I.
Don't
think
that
there's
a
motion
in
front
of
us
that
would
and
I
don't
think
city
staff
are
prepared
to.
You
know
eliminate
drop
boxes.
Today
we
were
just
not
in
a
position
where
we
could
legally
do
that,
but
I'm
hoping
when
with
the
review
comes,
we
ask
deeper
questions
of
that
piece
that
councillor
Carol
has
put
forward.
Yeah.
H
Yes,
so
I
just
would
encourage
members
of
council
if
they
can
follow
all
the
moving
parts
to
consider
what's
before
us
as
a
package,
because
as
a
package,
it
works
really.
Well,
we
have
the
I'm
just
having
trouble
hearing.
So
as
a
package,
we
have
some
really
good
recommendations
from
staff.
We
have
some
a
number
of
motions
from
different
counselors
and
some
of
them
may
seem
to
be
contradictory,
but
they
they
actually
do
all
fit
together
and
they
actually
fit
really
well.
H
Madam
speaker,
with
with
a
motion
that
you
moved
that
as
staying
intact
from
the
committee
which
is
and
I'm
reading
it
out,
it's
in
the
in
the
what's
before
us
allow
a
local
counselor
to
refuse
a
permit
request
for
new
clothing
drop
boxes
on
private
and
public
property
in
their
ward
within
14
days
of
receiving
the
request
and
for
a
permit
request
to
be
denied
upon
a
local
councilors
refusal.
So
that's
a
motion
you
made
it
council
I,
think
everybody's
glad
you
made
it
nobody's
speaking
against
it.
H
So
what
we
have,
when
you
put
everything
together
is
staff
are
required
to
notify
a
local
counselor
if
a
drop
box
is
being
proposed.
The
local
counselor,
if,
as
in
the
the
speaker's
case,
has
problems
with
drop
boxes,
can
simply
say
no
I,
don't
want
another
one
or
I,
don't
want
another
one
here,
you
don't
need
the
two
hundred
and
fifty
meters
to
do
that.
So,
when
you
put
this
together
with
everything
else,
it
it
works
for
everybody.
What
didn't
work
for
everybody
was
to
250
meters.
H
It
worked
for
some
councillors,
but
if
you
represent
an
area
as
I
do
as
many
of
us
do,
where
there's
very
high
concentration
of
people
where
we
have
very
high
density
areas,
it
stands
to
reason
that
if
you
have
50,000
people
packed
into
a
very
small
geographic
area
that
those
people
need
as
much,
they
need
drop
boxes
in
a
concentrated
way.
So
if
you
can
have
a
cluster
of
condos
with
a
drop
box,
that
is
a
good
thing,
and
that
may
be,
you
know
100
meters,
away
from
another
cluster
of
condos.
H
That
should
also
have
a
drop
box
if
they
want
it.
So
when
you
put
all
of
the
recommendations
together
unless
I'm
missing
something
everybody
gets
what
they
asked
for
in
what
they
need,
and
it's
a
really
good
package
and
I
also
totally
support
councillor
Carroll's
motion
which,
as
you
pointed
out,
is
not
as
not
referring
the
item
back
to
staff.
It
is
simply
asking
us
to
look
at
further
limiting
who
can
operate
a
drop
box
which
would
hopefully
further
improve
the
situation.
H
D
T
Thank
you
speaker.
A
speaker.
Drop
boxes
have
been
an
annoyance
in
neighborhoods
for
as
long
as
I've,
you
know
for
as
long
as
I've
been
around
they're,
mostly
illegal
they're,
just
big
clunky
metal
boxes
that
get
dropped
in
neighborhoods,
and
then
they
attract
all
kinds
of
garbage
and
over
the
years
in
in
trying
to
deal
with
with
these
drop
boxes,
you're
hardly
ever
able
to
trace
them
back,
find
who
they
belong
to.
Our
staff
really
can
never
deal
with
them.
Why?
Because
they're
heavy
you
need
big
trucks,
you
need
to
move
them
somewhere.
T
T
T
So
where
do
you
go
well,
you
know
why
not
drop
them
along
the
Jane
corridor,
and
where
do
you
do
it?
Where
do
you
drop
them?
You
drop
them
in
that
gray
area
and
the
property's
right.
You
know
the
private
parking
lot.
The
public
Boulevard
you
kind
of
straddle
it
right
somewhere
in
the
middle,
so
the
private
property
owner
says.
Is
that
on
my
parking
lot
is
that
on
my
private,
no,
it
looks
like
it's
on
the
public
Boulevard
and
then
it
becomes
an
eyesore
and
a
garbage
collector.
T
T
T
T
You
can
set
up
all
the
grand
rules.
You
want
yeah
you're,
not
getting
rid
of
these
boxes
in
the
poor
neighborhoods
across
the
city,
because
it's
big
big
business
and
it's
and
it's
funny-
you
know
it's
it's
the
poor
folks
that
have
a
tendency
to
say.
Let
me
go
to
that
box.
You
know,
I
got
these
like
I.
Don't
need
this
clothing
anymore
for
the
for
the
young
one
because
they're,
not
you
know
they
have
them.
T
Wear
them
out,
they're,
not
going
to
wear
them
out
anymore,
they've,
all
grown
them
and
they're
the
ones
that
march
over
to
this
box
and
they
think
they're
doing
a
good
thing.
They
think
they're
giving
them
to
someone
who
needs
them.
The
truth
is
they're,
giving
them
to
organized
crime,
who's
going
to
sell
it
to
someone
who
needs
them
that
at
enormous
ly,
marked
up
prices,
Thank.
D
O
D
F
L
Q
Through
you,
madam
chair
to
the
council,
solid
waste
will
report
back
in
due
time
once
we
review
the
report,
that's
provided
by
mr.
Lindsey
during
the
EPR
review
process.
My
understanding
is
that
he's
been
given
a
directive
approximately
six
weeks
to
give
the
minister
as
recommendations.
We
will
review
those
recommendations
and
assess
any
implications,
an
impact
that
will
have
for
the
city
of
Toronto
and
bring
that
information
back
to
committee
and
council.
So.
Q
Q
L
Q
Madam
Speaker
to
council
nothing
new
that
hasn't
been
provided.
Our
message
right
now
to
the
mediator
is
that
for
the
City
of
Toronto,
we
do
not
want
to
see
any
reduction
in
our
service
level
and
we
do
not
want
to
see
any
reduction
in
the
material
that's
being
collected
and
processed.
If
anything,
we
would
like
to
see
that
increase
understanding
that
the
producers
will
ultimately
be
responsible
for
those
costs.
We
do
have
to
take
into
consideration
the
efficacy
of
moving
forward
with
adding
additional
items
to
the
bin.
Okay,.
D
L
Do
you
have
questions
on?
This
is
pH
six?
Yes,
yes,
I
do
so
municipal
licensing.
This
question
is
for
you
I
understand.
You
received
71
complaints,
but
even
though
we've
had
71
complaints,
no
notices
of
violations
or
our
orders
have
been
issued
as
a
result
of
that
so
I
guess.
My
question:
is
we
have
this
new
bylaw?
This
is
about
air
quality
in
our
city,
I've
seen
you
know,
billowing
dust
coming
from
residential
builds
for
entire
summers
and
so
of
my
residents.
Why
are
we
not
enforcing
the
bylaw
that
we've
just
implemented
so.
P
We
are
enforcing
it
at
the
time
the
report
was
written,
you're
right,
it
was
71
complaints
that
has
that
has
gone
up
a
bit.
We
do
have
noticed
as
a
violation,
one
in
April
and
three
in
May.
So
we
are.
We
are
working
towards
providing
notices
to
to
those
who
are
violating
and
not
not
meeting
the
bylaw.
P
Through
the
speaker
to
the
councillor,
it's
something
we
have
done
extensive
consultation
with
the
industry.
It
is
going
to
take
some
time
some
of
these
smaller
operators.
We
have
to
re-engage
with
landscape
Ontario
to
ensure
that
they
are
getting
it
out
to
their
membership,
that
there
is
a
new
bylaw.
There
are
requirements
that
need
to
follow
and
we
will
work
with
various
industries
to
continue
this
education
piece.
Okay,.
L
P
Through
the
chair
to
the
councilor
I
would
I
would
I
would
guess
that
again,
it's
cuz
its
new,
it's
working
with
people
on
education.
If
it's
something
happening,
we
would
get
them
to
work
in
compliance
with
the
bylaw,
and
if
it
continues
to
happen,
we
would
then
go
with
a
notice
of
violations.
I
would
imagine
these
to
continue
to
go
up
but
or
hopefully
to
stay
steady
if
we
do
a
better
job
on
communicating
with
the
industry.
Okay,.
L
This
morning,
I
saw
leaf
blowers
out
blowing
dust
all
over
the
place,
the
creating
bellows,
a
dust
nut
and
I
know
this
is
construction,
but
I'm,
just
gonna
stray
a
little
bit
blowing
the
garbage
dust
debris
onto
city
streets
and
into
city
parks.
What
are
you
doing
on
that
file?
Like
I
understand
like
at
our
last
meeting,
we
talked
about
trying
to
rein
in
leaf
blowing
in
the
city
that
didn't
happen,
and
there
is
controversy
around
whether
it's
in
environmental
has
environmental
impacts
on
air
quality.
L
P
Contractors,
whether
they're,
using
and
putting
dust
into
the
streets
into
parts-
it's
not
something
we
can
knows
is
the
biggest
issue
with
leaf
blowers
and
that's
something
that
went
through
earlier
this
year
that
comes
into
effect
in
October
first,
which
is
going
to
allow
us
to
have
quantitative
measures
to
to
enforce
against
that.
What
industry
is
doing
to
clear
streets
in
the
spring
and
Parks
in
the
spring
is
not
necessarily
something
that's
covered
by
this
particular
report.
D
N
C
Through
the
speaker
that
is
correct
when
this
went
to
committee,
we
recommended
refusal.
The
report
for
a
number
of
reasons.
One
was
the
hours
of
operation
for
the
digital
sign.
Second
was
the
actual
size
of
the
sign.
It
was
three
times
larger
than
what
we
would
normally
permit
in
this
area,
and
it
was
about
eight
meters
higher
than
what
we
would
normally
permit.
C
Also,
the
sign
was
too
close
to
the
gardener,
so
normally
would
want
the
sign
to
be,
or
the
bylaw
requires,
a
sign
to
be
400
meters
away
from
the
gardener,
in
this
case
it's
45
meters
to
the
gardener.
So
as
a
result
of
all
that,
the
impacts
that
that
sign
would
have,
as
far
as
traffic
on
the
gardener
because
of
the
proximity
and
the
size
of
the
impact
do
the
size
of
the
sign
we
recommended
refusal.
So.
N
Too
many
hours
of
operation
for
two
three
or
four
times
the
size,
it's
supposed
to
be
90
percent,
closer
to
the
gardener
than
it's
supposed
to
be
and
too
high.
That
is
correct.
Okay,
during
the
applicants
presentation,
they
made
a
comment
that
the
sign
variance
committee,
which
is
normally
where
a
variance
like
this
would
go
or
a
variance,
would
go,
had
told
them
that
they,
you
know,
wouldn't
even
consider
a
variance
like
this,
and
it
should
come
to
Council.
Had
this
ever
been
in
front
of
the
sign
variance
committee.
C
D
F
D
N
You
speaker,
you
heard
from
our
staff
that
this
is
egregious.
This
is
so
far
off
the
mark
like
it,
it
boggles
the
mind
the
audacity
of
the
sign
company
in
this
instance.
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
makes
a
mockery
of
us
having
any
kind
of
process
around
signs
at
all.
For
those
of
you,
who've
been
on
counsel
for
a
couple
terms.
You
know
we
struggled
large
long
and
hard
to
find
a
system
for
managing
these
kinds
of
signs.
In
the
City
of
Toronto,
we
designed
special
sign
districts.
N
We
have
the
Gardiner
Gateway
district,
we
set
Heights,
we
set
sizes,
we
set
hours
of
operation,
and
we
knew
that
in
some
instances
there
might
have
to
be
minor
tweaks,
because
you
know
every
property
in
Toronto
is
unique
and
we
set
up
a
sign
variance
committee
so
that
we
could
handle
special
cases.
What
the
what
the
applicant
and
his
you
know,
suite
of
lobbyists
had
tried
to
achieve
here
is
to
say,
throw
all
of
that
out
forget
about
how
the
process
that
City
Council
established-
let's
just
go
around
it
and
get
a
specific
amendment.
N
They
actually
want
an
amendment
to
the
sign
bylaw
just
for
them.
They
don't
want
to
follow
the
normal
rules.
They
don't
want
to
listen
to
the
the
work
that
we've
done
over
a
decade
to
establish
a
fair,
balanced
approach
to
managing
these
kinds
of
signs
in
our
community
I'm.
Amazed
that
it's
even
here
in
the
first
place
and
I
urge
you
all.
Please
don't
support
councillor
Cara
Janice's
motion.
H
You
I
rise
to
pay
homage
to
the
very
hard
work
done
by
the
sign
industry
lobbyists
in
our
city.
They
assist
us
with
the
very
difficult
task
of
determining
what's
in
the
public
interest.
Now
they
they're
not
the
only
tool
we
have.
We
could
look
to
our
own
bylaws
that
we
very
carefully
have
developed.
We
can
look
at
the
advice
of
our
staff,
who
tell
us
when
something
is
a
very
egregious
violation
of
our
our
bylaws
and
should
not
be
supported.
H
We
can
listen
to
the
public
who
depute
at
the
committee
and
we
can
listen
to
the
deputation
it's
made
at
the
committee,
but
we
also
have
the
benefit
of
the
of
the
sign
lobbyists
and,
and
strangely
I,
don't
benefit
from
that.
I'd
ever
get
lobbied
by
the,
but
I
noticed
that,
on
this
particular
sign,
19
of
the
26
members
of
council
got
lobbied
a
total
of
31
times.
H
Some
had
the
benefit
of
getting
advice
from
four
different
sign
lobbyists.
In
fact,
three
people
had
that
benefit
and
there's
very
interesting
patterns
and
and
who
benefits
from
from
this
advice.
One
lobbyist
didn't
lobby
Scarborough
councilors,
only
one
Scarborough
councillor,
two
other
lobbyists
lobbied
every
Scarborough
councillor,
one
former
councillor
lobbied
only
three
people,
three
selected
councillors,
one
of
them
had
the
benefit
of
their
advice
twice,
so
I'll
be
really
interested
to
do
a
comparison.
After
the
vote
of
how
the
decisions
that
we
make
line
up
with
this
advice
we
get
from
the
side
lobbyists.
H
There
was
a
council
meeting
in
the
last
term,
where
we
had
two
controversial
sides
before
us.
The
one
had
no
lobbyists
and
that
one
was
turned
down.
The
other
one
had
was
one
that
we'd
previously
turned
down,
but
several
councillors
had
the
benefit
of
extensive
advice
from
the
side
lobbyists
and
changed
their
vote,
and
that
would
pass
that
it's
a
it
was
quite
an
interesting
correlation
between
who
switched
their
votes
and
who'd
been
lobbied.
H
F
I
find
where
counselor
failure
is
going
to
be
uncalled
for,
the
fact
that
we
have
a
lobbyist
registry
and
the
fact
that
their
lobbyists
go
and
register
in
order
to
talk
to
us.
That
is
not
something
that
is
illegal,
he's
making
it
sound
that
is
way
far
fetched
over.
You
know
what
you,
when
you
say
when
you're
saying
that
so
many
counselors
God,
and
so
many
didn't
okay
catch
the
public
record.
This
is
not
another
thing
that
you
need
to
give
us
advice
on
the
floor
and
I
feel
very
offended
by
you
doing
that.
Thank.
H
Continue
the
I
think
members
of
council
know
how
much
these
sides
are
worth.
There's
reason
why
there's
a
surplus
of
advice
that
members
of
council
received
from
the
industry
there
are.
There
is
literally
millions
of
dollars
that
can
be
earned
in
the
blink
of
an
eye
or
in
our
case
the
push
of
a
button.
B
Madam
Speaker,
the
the
piece
of
the
staff
report
that
really
decided
my
vote
and
my
boat
is
against
simply
this
there.
There
are
no
existing
third-party
signs
located
at
the
subject
property,
but
there
are
two
large
third-party
electronic
ground
science
to
the
east
and
to
the
west,
both
within
500
metres
of
the
proposed
sign
and
three
other
third-party
signs
within
400
metres
of
the
proposed
sign.
I
simply
ask:
when
is
enough
enough.
E
E
D
R
E
D
E
E
N
D
E
E
G
D
G
Oh
I
thought
I
was
in
trouble
again.
This
is
a
notice
of
motion
in
order
to
pardon
it's
your
day
to
get
a
report
to
September
4th
government
licensing
and
it
like
to
ensure
that
happens
by
asking
staff
for
that
report.
Here,
it's
got
to
do
with
assessment
on
a
theater
or
I
won't
go
into
the
whole
thing,
but
councillor
Ainsley
understands
it.
G
Q
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
know
there's
a
couple:
luncheons
going
on
today
went
upstairs,
but
Dino's
wood-burning
pizzas
and
the
Queensway
in
my
ward
and
Deena
was
made
a
20
foot
long
pizza
for
Joe
Cressy
is
both.
What's
that
20
meters,
not
20
meters
anyways,
just
in
feed
I,
gave
two
in
feet,
but
it's
a
six
meters.
Six
meters
yeah
Dino's,
made
this
an
offer
of
the
Raptors
in
honor
of
the
big
win.
The
route
they're
sold
out
of
committee
room
number
one
at
12:30.
Please
stop
by
and
see
this.
Q
No,
it's
not
there's
double
anchovies
on
Youth
Council.
Also
I
want
to
thank
deena
for
bringing
us
down
buddies,
invite
every
to
come
down
staff.
Your
staff
members
to
me
to
come
down
and
see
this
huge
peanut
from
one
of
the
great
the
peach
trees,
I'm
aware:
Dino's,
wood,
oven
pizza,
so
please
come
down
and
enjoy
slice
have
no
idea.
What's
on
it,.
C
F
F
F
I've
sent
a
letter
of
support.
I
have
got
no
complaints,
I'm
just
wondering
since
this
has
been
up
and
it's
been
permitted
for
the
last
ten
years.
I
realized
we've
changed,
but
if
we
collected
two
hundred,
sixteen
thousand
dollars
quoted
close
to
a
quarter
of
a
million.
What
is
that
money
being
used
for?
Can
you
tell
me
what
do
we
use
that
money
for
as
a
city
through.
C
F
C
F
C
N
C
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
there
were
a
number
of
concerns
about
this
sign.
One
is
that
it's
a
rooftop
rooftop
sign,
which
is
a
prohibited
sign
type.
The
sign
also
is
within
110
meters
of
a
residential
building,
and
it
potentially
can
have
impact
on
that
building.
It's
also
within
30
meters
of
an
intersection
where
it
could
potentially
have
impacts
on
traffic.
So.
N
We
don't
allow
this
this
sign
type
at
all.
It's
too
close
to
an
intersection,
and
it's
too
close
to
residences.
That
is
correct.
Okay,
this
sign
councillor
Cara
Janice,
was
asking
you
a
series
of
questions.
We've
actually
taken
enforcement
action
against
this
sign.
Is
that
correct
through
you,
madam
Speaker?
That
is
correct,
so
city
staff
notified
they
going
back
in
history.
So
originally
there
was
a
rooftop
sign.
There
was
just
a
paper
sign
and
then
without
permission
they
converted
it
is
that
correct
through.
N
B
B
Times
people
were
seriously
injured
by
cars
running
into
the
bus,
shelter
right
at
the
corner
of
this
intersection.
Were
they
not?
You
probably
don't
have
the
record,
but
that,
but
that
is
a
fact
this
faces.
This
base
is
diagonally
straight
into
the
intersection,
so
that
you
know
two
out
of
three
directions
are
looking
at
this
sign.
B
B
Very
much
a
distraction
in
an
intersection
with
lots
of
distraction
already
now
there's
a
letter
attached
to
this
from
the
local
councillor,
because
it's
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
saying
that
there
are
no
complaints
about
this
sign.
I,
don't
know
because
the
sign
bylaw
was
really
in
the
process
of
being
approved.
I,
don't
know
if
you
logged
complaints.
Do
you
have
the
complaints
when
this
sign
first
went
in,
which
is
now
years
ago?
C
F
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
do
have
a
motion
if
that
can
be
put
up
on
the
screen
please,
and
that
is
for
the
sign
to
be
allowed
to
go
on
the
affirmative.
This
sign,
madam
Speaker,
has
been
there
a
long
time.
I
do
drive
by
it
almost
every
day.
I
have
received
no
complaints
about
the
sign,
the
as
the
local
councillor
or
before
when
I
was
the
MP
in
the
area.
This
sign
does
not
portray
any
visible
light
in
anybody's
bedroom.
They,
the
sign,
is
taken
I
mean.
F
Is
it
portrays
away
from
apartments
in
talking
to
people
that
live
in
the
apartments?
They
do
not
have
any
problems
with
it,
and
we
did
hear
that
this
sign
also
brings
close
to
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
in
the
city
coffers
that
we
need
when
we're
in
the
time
of
a
budget
and
the
time
of
meeting
money.
I,
don't
see
why
we
would
turn
away
something
that
is
bringing
us
money.
I
really
do
not
understand.
Now,
councillor
Shelley
Carroll
says
she
has
complaints
about
the
site.
F
Yes,
there's
been
accidents,
there's
been
accidents
just
farther
up
on
Victoria
Park
in
Kennedy,
sorry
at
Victoria,
Park
and
Finch,
which
is
one
of
the
intersections
which
is
highly,
and
that
has
absolutely
no
signs
so
attributing
the
two
accidents
that
she
be
the
councillor
Farrell
speaks
about
to
the
signs.
I
find
that
not
to
be
substantial.
We
all
have.
We
do
all
have
collisions
and
to
say
that
the
this
sign
is
responsible
for
those
collisions.
I,
don't
think
that's
a
viable
suggestion,
so
I
do
recommend
to
my
my
college
to
vote
on
this.
B
Councillors,
it
is
absolutely
true
that
billboards
bring
in
money
they
bring
in
arts
and
culture,
money,
lovely
lovely
arts
and
culture
money,
and
when
we,
when
we
adopted
that
bylaw
one
of
the
dangers
one
of
the
pitfalls,
the
people
worried
we
might
fall
into
is
let's
say
yes
and
get
a
little
more
arts
money.
Let's
get
a
little
more
arts
money,
it
was
the
arts
community
themselves
was
the
arts
community.
That
said,
don't
sell
out,
don't
sell
out
the
city
on
our
behalf.
B
We
will
work
with
you
and
we
will
make
the
best
use
of
whatever
comes
to
us
through
billboard
tax,
but
don't
create
so
much
visual
pollution
that
this
is
no
longer
a
city
of
arts.
So
let
me
take
you
to
this
intersection.
This
is
at
the
intersection
of
Victoria,
Park
and
Sheppard.
It
is
the
nexus
of
two
of
the
most
heavily
loaded
bus
routes
in
the
city.
It
is
heavily
loaded
with
pedestrians
hell.
If
you
did
a
count.
B
I'll
bet
you
can
put
a
scramble
there
and
it
would
work
a
little
better
and
it
would
be
a
damn
sight
safer,
but
that's
new
science
in
the
suburbs.
That's
not
gonna
happen
anytime
soon,
but
what
is
happening
at
the
corner
of
Victoria,
Park
and
Sheppard
consumers?
Next,
we
are
trying
to
create
a
business
park.
We
can
be
proud
of
mixed
uses
along
Sheppard
and
Victoria
Park,
that
we
can
be
proud
of
and
be
ready
for,
a
transit
expansion,
but
allows
for
a
station
here,
safe
access
and
yes,
there's
a
massive.
B
B
B
F
D
B
We
want
this
to
be
a
beautiful,
Business
Park.
We
wanted
to
demonstrate
that
mixed-use
is
possible
on
the
edge
of
a
Business
Park
and
there
is
in
fact
a
banner
application
there.
Now
that
will
probably
put
residents
right
at
this
corner
and
and
the
residents
that
are
in
that
apartment,
building
that
you
can
see
at
the
back
of
this
side
of
this
sign
photograph.
That's
in
the
report.
B
There
are
some
of
the
people
who
feel
the
least
and
plower
a
power
to
stand
up
in
the
plane
above
the
sign,
but
in
wishing
well
south
of
the
sign
where
they,
where
they
go
here,
to
do
their
errands,
they
they
complained
when
it
went
in
and
in
the
Hickory
Nut
area.
My
side
of
the
street
people
who
travel
through
weather
by
car
or
on
foot
or
by
transit
when
this
sign
first
went
in
I'll,
quote
the
most
pithy
of
the
complaints.
B
What
in
the
Sam
Hill
is
that
they
were
not
happy
when
this
sign
went
in
and
finally
a
process
that
we
adopted
has
brought
it
here
for
us
to
decide
whether
or
not
we
ought
to
say
that
it's
legal
and
compliant
and
it's
anything
but
and
finally,
here
it
is,
and
you
can
actually
act
on
the
things
that
people
want
you
to
act
on.
What
did
we
just
argue
about
this
morning?
We
need
enforcement.
Please
enforce
we
make
laws,
please
enforce
them,
that's
what
this
report
is
about.
B
This
is
the
very
thing
that
that
confounds
residents
again
and
again
and
again,
you
guys
keep
making
laws
and
we
don't
see
them
enforced.
This
is
one
that
the
community
wanted
enforce
the
day
it
went
up
and
they
may
have
only
phoned
you
once
that
was
probably
the
community
leader
a
dozen
phoned
me
and
said
what
in
the
Sam
Hill
is
that
haven't
we
got
enough
going
on
that
intersection,
I'm
sick
of
seeing
ambulances
at
that
intersection?
Can
we
get
rid
of
this
sign?
That's
what
I
heard
when
the
sign
went
up.
H
You
first
I
just
want
to
correct
any
misconception
that
revenue
from
these
signs
goes
to
the
Arts.
There
was
a
chunk
of
money
that
had
been
in
reserve
pending
a
legal
decision
quite
some
years
ago,
that
was
used
to
fund
the
arts
over
a
period
of
time,
but
but
that
is
not
the
case
anymore.
So
there's
not
funding
for
the
Arts
from
these
signs,
but
in
many
cases
councillor
Carroll
said
the
arts.
H
Arts
folks
would
certainly
want
us
to
follow
our
own
bylaws
and
the
advice
of
our
professional
staff
and
not
have
sign
pollution
in
our
city.
I
will
not
repeat
my
speech
paying
homage
to
the
sign
industry.
Lobbyists
just
will
revise
the
statistic
for
this
particular
sign
that
nineteen
members
of
council
had
the
benefit
of
forty
five
contacts
with
lobbyists
and
in
helping
them
determine
the
right
way
to
vote.
N
You'll
recall
the
process
used
to
go
through
community
council
rather
than
planning
and
growth
and
lawyers
for
a
firm
which
has
lobbied
on
this
actually
launched
a
court
action
naming
each
member
of
the
Community
Council
who
voted
against
the
sign
from
that
firm
now.
Luckily,
the
court
upheld
our
right
to
make
these
decisions
in
the
public
interest
and
I
encourage
you
all
to
consider
the
public
interest
when
you
vote
on
this
side,.
E
E
E
D
E
D
D
E
The
next
item
is
teas
6.58,
Elm
Street
and
348
356
young.
We
had
to
reopen
this
item.
There's
an
active
OMB
settlement
hearing
going
on
right
now,
so
my
apologies,
but
we
just
got
the
language
from
the
solicitor.
So
this
is
an
amendment
to
the
supplemental
report
recommendation
which
amends
the
original
recommendation
so.