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City Council, meeting 39, April 25, 2018 - Part 2 of 3
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Can I have members of council to please come to the council chambers.

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Yes, if I can have members of council, please.

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Come to the council chambers, okay, we have quorum. This meeting is now resumed.

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Before these, before the recess council is considering the mayor's first key.

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Item which is e^x 33.1 before we return to that item, I would take the release of.

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Member holds: are there any releases, councillor matt law? Thank you, madam.

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Speaker, I am racing to find the page which committee wasn't. It was the.

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Licensing and standards that noise bylaw item, I'm just trying to find the number.

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Do you have it handy page, 66, page 6, os 24.1, that's it okay, you're, releasing! I.

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Am okay great thanks page six hours, 24.1 councillor matt louis, releasing on favor.

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Recorded that's on page six hours, 24.1 licensing.

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And standards committee.

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Counsel, giorgio, please.

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Council perks, remember so we open the voting panel.

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Late, maybe you haven't pressed your button. Would you mind double-checking.

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Cancer cressy, please counselor pelean.

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Please count sir coil, please cancer, croissant ii, chancellor, want a man.

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You're seated, please, cancer tracy.

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The item is adopted: 28 2, 1, caster, shen.

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Thank you madame speaker on page 7, ls 24.5 graffiti management plan, sweet.

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Eternal 2018 partnership program recommendations prepare to release that.

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On one page, I'm sorry 8, 7, page 7, ls 24.5 I'll continue to hold it down. Counselor.

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Do cheon? Oh thank you speaker, page 9. We I actually accidentally approved an.

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Item this morning that I need to reopen so ey 29.5 1 we've got a motion that, in accordance with the provisions of.

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Chapter 27, councilor procedures, city council, reconsider item.

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Ey 29.5 one that introduced a sorry. I've learned from the best.

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Okay, so you want, you want the item to be reopened. That's correct, ma'am, page 90.

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Why 2951 correct I'm favor recorded vote.

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It's a traffic control signals. Yes, this is on the vote to reopen it's. It's we're.

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Reopening an item yeah.

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Councillor fletcher, please councillor.

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Thompson please councillor want an councillor dieci. ah No, please.

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Councillor fletcher, please councillor.

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Fletcher, please, the motion to reconsider carries unanimously 32 in favor, okay,.

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Sorry, council, oh yeah, if it's ready, I've got a motion to put up on the screen on.

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That item, if it's a technical amendment, we can do it now, it's on the screen. Okay,.

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It's city council, amend, topical york, community council recommendation 1 by.

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Deleting the words may 2018 and replacing them with the words april, 24th.

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2018, so that the recommendation now reads as follows: city council approved.

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The installation of temporary traffic control signals of auckland road in.

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Subway crescent to be in effect from april 24 2018 to december 29, 2019, we've.

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Got lots of construction happening there? It's a perfect storm and we've worked.

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With staff to bring a resolution for pedestrian safety reasons, so the.

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Amendment is on the screen. All in favor of the amendment recorded vote.

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Councillor perks, please counsel early.

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Counsel shan, thank you, counsel, fletcher. Please.

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The amendment carries 32 to 1.

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Okay item, as amended on favor carried counselor troi see. Thank you, madam.

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Speaker page 14, I can release cc 39.1 231.

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Parliament, street local planning appeal tribunal now that the report has been.

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Circulated: okay on page 14 cc, 39 point 12: the report has been circulated.

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Counselor george, oh, please, cancer montana.

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The item is adopted unanimously, 34 in.

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Favor counter fraga dacus. Yes, madam speaker on page 12,.

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Te 31.3 1: it's the application to remove a private tree, 164 westwood avenue I've.

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Spoke to I don't know, if staff have it ready. Yes,.

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It's to refer it back to toronto and east york, community council. I asked for.

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This indulgence the applicant advised me that they did not receive appropriate.

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Notice and wanted to speak to council, and I explained to them that they had to.

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Come to community council, so they've asked for the opportunity to speak. So if.

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You could support this. This would be great if I could have a recorded vote.

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Ampage 12 t 30 1.31 there's a referral motion on the screen.

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Council long time, please.

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Counselor burnside, please, sir croissant.

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Naturally, the motion to refer back carries unanimously 34 in favor counter.

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My havoc, yes, there are two items that I held on page 12 that are really constant.

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Frank attack assist so I'd like to pass them over to her okay, counselor frankie.

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Darkness just one moment: okay on page 12, yes, te thirty-one point, one.

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Nine inclusion of the city of toronto's on the city of toronto's heritage.

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Register a number of properties on broad view avenue. I just wanted a recorded.

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Vote: okay: on page twenty thirty one point: nineteen recorded vote.

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Coughs, pericles councillor layton when.

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You're seated place cancer plots you please thank you.

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The item carries unanimously 35 in favor.

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Callister from county fraga decades, yes again on page 12 te three one point: two.

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Zero intention to designate under part four section 29 of the ontario heritage.

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Act, 1132, broadview avenue. I also wanted a recorded vote on this recorded vote.

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Council perutz: oh please, councillor.

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Mcmahon councillor wong-tam, please.

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Councillor my havoc, please, the item is adopted unanimously: 36, sorry 36 in favor.

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Thank you now this morning we did discuss on page 14 cc, 39 point 10. There.

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Were questions asked to the city manager to our solicitor as far as the.

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Confidential information being being made public and as well as that.

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Counselor melody is asked for costing, so I'm gonna pass it on to the city.

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Solicitor now to comment on the item.

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I'll comment: first, on the cost now, first of all, the the investigator was retained.

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By the parking authority rather than by the city, so the parking authority has.

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Paid the fees to date, three hundred and seventy thousand dollars have been paid.

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And four have been invoiced because we're not doing the payment, so I can't.

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Comment on the processing of that three hundred and ten thousand about his fees.

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The rest is disbursements and hst. We expect one final invoice and the board.

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Has approved up to four hundred and fifty thousand dollars, so it would not.

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Be more than that now I'm going to comment on the.

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Confidentiality of the material, as you know, the open meeting rule is permissive.

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So council always has the discretion to debate matters in public as staff when.

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We submit materials, we used our best judgment as to which items we would.

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Recommend be debated in closed session. This material was submitted on purple.

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Paper because we recommend that it be kept confidential and the primary reason.

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For that is potential litigation over the lunch break, we did look at redacting.

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Portions, because that came up this morning in the discussion, the city clerk.

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Staff and legal staff when, through the documents and it's our view,.

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That if we redacted everything that would be sensitive, keeping in mind the.

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Reason for the purple paper, the document would effectively be meaningless. Also, I.

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Should I should explain that that exercise would be a time-consuming one.

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Because it would require us to compare the content against what is already.

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Public now I will come back, though, to what I said a moment ago and and remind.

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You that it is councils discretion, but that is my best advice. Okay, so that's.

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The comment from the solicitor kallstrom emily d question to the solicitor.

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No, I understand, but councilmember lady. You want to ask questions on more of.

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What the solicitor has said just in terms of the cost just asking a question.

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On the cost countermelody, the solicitor has given you the cost.

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Yeah but the for the potential 450 was up in the air, so so what the solicitor.

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Said is we've already spent on a point of okay, so what we get every time they.

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Stand up, you seem to listen to how some emily I'm just trying to follow the.

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Rules no, but I you know you you did recognize me. I did recognize elsa perk.

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Stands up you you take his side. Like I don't know, he has a point of order. Yeah.

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I don't understand us, yes, it's either. You recognize me or you haven't. I don't.

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Mean to be rude, but no sir ma'am aleady. Just let me clarify the the city.

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Solicitor has commented on the request and the ruling that we made this morning.

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So right now she is, she has given us this information. So when we get to the.

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Item so when we get to the item, if you have any specific questions that would.

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Be at that time well, my question is with release releasing a private information.

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Right, please, cash at davis stop screaming she's in the box screaming at.

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Me he's in the washroom at you screaming at me: okay, calcium ma'am, lady, when we.

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Get to the item, you can ask those questions so I'd like to make I'd like.

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To try to make the cost issue public and and that's that's why I'm standing up.

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Right now, I'd like to know whether or not I can move a motion to to allow for.

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The cost, at least the cost of this equation, to become public okay, counselor.

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Ma'am lady, when we get to the item busy, because it's not it's not okay, count.

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Calcium am lady point of order, counselor perks. Thank you.

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Speaker, you have. You have ruled by my count more than seven times that.

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Counselor mammal edie, his relief is to answer, ask questions when we get to the.

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Item yet he continues to stand up and interfere with our right to an efficient.

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Meeting so I ask you, please do not recognize him any further and if he.

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Continues to persist in this to caution him under the procedural bylaw, okay,.

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Thank you, okay, we're not at the item council.

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Fillion, okay: point: point of order: councillor philia ordered: I promise not.

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To yell, okay, um I perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought earlier on. I.

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Can't remember who said it whether it was the clerk or someone said that.

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Perhaps we could, as a separate item, determine whether we want this item to.

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Be in public or in private, and if that's the case for the reasons that I think.

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The mayor gave earlier it's so that it it's a very long document so that if we.

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Did decide for it to go public so that it could be distributed? I'm wondering if.

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We should make that determination now and I'm also wondering if we would need.

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To go in-camera to make that determination. No jo, my microphone still.

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On speaker, oh sorry, can I, but I'm not clear on, is whether that this could be.

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Legitimately a separate agenda, whether or not the item become public and if so,.

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If maybe we should do that now, okay, okay, okay, hold on hold on hold on hold.

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Okay, counselor fillion counsel, filling. If you want at this point to move that.

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Motion you, you can move that motion at this time to make a public. No I'm.

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Speaking, I'm getting advice from the clerk. Sorry, let me put you mike well.

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Assist us with the meeting, even though it seems like it's delaying us from getting started, I would I would move that we go in-camera to consider no okay.

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So that we move that we determine whether or not we wish to release the.

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Information and that we go in-camera for for for, in camera, questions of the.

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Solicitor to assist us mate- I I don't think it's necessary counsel, fillion to.

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Go in-camera on the procedure motion its if I would need to go in-camera for the.

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Questions I have well we're not then well not at the item.

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Then we're not at the item, then we have to hold the item down till we get. It was.

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A timed item I mean, if you have questions camera, to ask question: okay,.

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Sir fillion, we have to wait to the item then just to clarify. I would need to ask.

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Questions about whether or not it should be in camera. My questions related to.

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That I would need to go in-camera, for you want to move your motion motion this.

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Should not be in camera, it should be out there for everybody to see, including the.

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Costs and I like the costs as well, to be moved into into public. Okay, that's my.

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Motion beaker I'm trying to be helpful, not trying to be difficult that I would.

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Ask that we go in move in camera to be able to ask questions that would help.

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Counsel filly and then when we get to the item, we can go on camera and ask.

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Questions right now, there's a motion by councilmember lady for a procedure.

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Motion vote on that without asking some questions of the solicitor: how careless.

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Madam speaker yeah proceed. Your motion. Councilmember lady has the right to move.

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That motion well, but do I not have the right to ask questions of this list.

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When we get to the item council, fillion.

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That's something's not right here. Can we put the motion motion on the.

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Screen well, but I think it should be I'm getting the advice from the clerk and.

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The clerk is telling me that it's in order council members motion or procedure motion if we want to ask questions it.

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When we get to the item which is scheduled for tomorrow- and we want to go.

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And kent: that's when we ask the questions right now, there's just a procedure motion on the table, including the car.

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Okay, just once sick, I know but calcium a lady wants it in.

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Writing a mayor tory well, I really am trying to be helpful as I guess what I.

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Would say I'm at the other end of the spectrum from councillor perks in terms of expertise on the procedural bylaw, but here's the conundrum that I think.

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Councillor fillion was asking about that. Certainly concerns me. If you had to vote.

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Up or down now on the on the motion to go public, there are people who I think.

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Councillor feeling was suggesting and others who might want to ask questions about the going public versus not going public of the solicitor that they feel.

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They can't ask because the answers can't be given in order to help you decide how to vote on his motion. So I'm if somebody could.

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Help clarify, if that's, if that's the problem and you can't, if you can't make.

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Up your mind that I guess you vote against it, I'm gonna get but then and.

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Then, but you vote against it and do we have the option of going in camera at.

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The appointed time and then having the questions asked at that time and if the.

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Questions lead to a conclusion by the council. We should go public, we can go.

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Out of camera and consider the matter is that how it's done and you do it at the.

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Time when the matter is considered, yes, then I don't know why? That's not what.

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We're doing that's just me without not knowing how you get there right. I know where we need to go. I just don't know how we get there hey. Thank you. Thank you.

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Mayor, I'm gay I'm trying to get the advice from that. Okay.

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Can I have the clerk, please, can I have the clerk.

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Comment to the mayor, I need the clerk to comment because I'm.

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Getting mixed and mixed advice here and I'm very confused right now.

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So if I can have the clerk comment, please my understanding of where we.

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Started this conversation was that council fillion and councillor mantle ad.

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Wanted to make motions on whether to release the confidential information and.

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Make the matter public? That is a procedural motion that is subject to.

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Debate the debate now appears to require an in-camera portion of the meeting, so.

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Council would have to decide, and it really can't, because we're in the middle.

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Of a key matter when it wishes to debate that that issue of whether to make the.

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Material public, okay, so that's the oh hold on yes hold on council, approved.

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Council fielding was first in mammal, ad council fillion. I would suggest that I.

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Would like to make a motion to defer consideration of councilor mammal edie's.

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Motion until we've had the opportunity to go in-camera when considering the.

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Item first thing tomorrow morning, yeah. Well, I think the motion is after members.

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Motion, thank you, council filly. Now, counselor mom levy has a point of order.

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I move the motion. You allowed the motion to stand.

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We were both to vote on it. I prefer to vote on that particular motion and, if.

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Those of you wish to vote against it. That's fine! I just feel I need this. This.

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At this particular time, voted on and I'd like to call for a recorded vote as well.

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On on the matter, in my opinion, there's absolutely no way that this should be.

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Withheld from the public, if you recall the the the original report that came.

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Forward was an in-camera report and, and the council voted to move that into.

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Public much of what was there is in this document. There's no reason why this.

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Should be in camera, I'd like to vote, madam chair, you allowed the vote to take.

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To be moved, I'd like us to vote on it, I'm gonna vote in favor of it and I hope.

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Everybody else does to count counts. Parissa, do you have the counts to prove.

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That you have a point of order. No, yes, all I was gonna say speaker is here's.

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What you did right- and I don't profess to know the rules as as well as some of.

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You others, you were asked this morning by councillor ma'am led to make that.

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Something in our documentation should be public. You reserved your decision and.

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You said that you would come back later and provide that decision, but here's.

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Where I think the process failed, so you asked the city solicitors to say what do.

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You think about that. She provided a very short opinion on on the fact that we can.

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Actually make anything we want public, they just put it on purple paper because.

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That's their best advice. What you didn't inc include in that in.

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That position speaker was to say this is our position at this time and then, when.

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We get to the matter counts from emily. She is well within his rights to place.

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The motion to make it public right and then we'd be moving on. We are stuck in.

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This quandary now because you add you fail to add that sentence to the opinion.

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Provided by the solicit, so what my ruling is gonna be now because there's.

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So many oh cass, I need you have a point of order. We have a motion, don't we.

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From by colleague yes, so if there's a motion, then you can have a speaker to.

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The motion sorry come to pros. I said nothing while you were please I'm asking.

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The speaker, we have a motion that you might be calling a vote on if we do.

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They're not allowed to speak to that, but, okay, um I just want to remind members of.

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Council is that we are now we were debating the mayor's key item. We have.

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Two items the mayor's key item and we have to continue with those items if.

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We're gonna debate this item, then what I would suggest my ruling would be that we.

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Go in-camera at the appropriate time when the sytem was time and we can ask.

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Questions and move motions at that time and hold the item down. That's that's my.

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Ruling because we're in the middle of the mayor's key item and that's what we.

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Have to continue on no, yes, and that will be allowed at the appropriate time. Okay,.

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That's my ruling. Okay, there's a challenge to the chair.

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Recorded vote councillor ma'am lydia's challenging the.

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Chair shall the chair be upheld? Well, your motion will come forward at.

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Appropriate time, councillor mcmahon, please cancel.

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Croissant ii, cancer, holland, cancer plots emotions, we're voting on upholding the.

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Decision of the chair, elster scheiner, please.

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Count: circus auntie, please counsellor holland, cancer, pilate. No, no, the vote hands across auntie and councillor.

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Pilate, oh, please.

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The chairs upheld 35 to 1. Ok, we'll continue, while on page 3, x, 33 point 1, 4.

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Speakers, so can I list of we're done with questions were at speakers. So if we.

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Have any speakers put your name up request to speak counsellor perks to.

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Speak. Thank you very much speaker with a.

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Complex problem like this, trying to figure out the city's transit future, our.

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Relationship with the province, how we pay for infrastructure, it often gets.

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Easy to get lost so we we develop short hands. We chunk things off. We call a.

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Project by a project name, we refer to the financing by a financing name, and I.

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Think in the process of doing all of that, we've kind of lost our path and I'd.

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Like to take a moment to do my best to clarify what we're actually deciding and.

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Then, whether or not it's a good decision, some of the problem with the debate.

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Comes that were conflating two different things. A thing called smart track, which.

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Was 22 stations that would operate, and this is how it was promoted at the time.

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As a surface subway to relieve the congestion on our existing transit.

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Network, that's what the thing called smart track was. That's nothing like what.

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Is being proposed here today, what is being proposed here today is that a.

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Billion and a half dollars be spent to add, go stations on existing, go lines.

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Against the future of them, electrifying them and providing more frequent service.

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They're not similar in any way those two things and they solve different problems.

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If you'll recall, when we had our very first debate on it at this council, I.

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Think it was our first full meeting. We had a discussion about smart track and I.

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Said at that time I fully and completely endorse the idea of having enhanced.

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Regional rail and I think that we have an opportunity for many of the stations.

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That exist and for at least two of the stations that are exist now and are not.

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Built out fully and one new station to tie into that regional system- and I.

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Think that's a good idea. The question is whether municipal.

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Governments should be paying to build ngo stations for regional and.

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Inter-Regional transit, no other region. Does this york region doesn't build ngo.

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Stations pele doesn't build ngo stations, durham doesn't build ngo stations, nobody.

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Builds ngo stations here we are being asked to spend scarce money for public.

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Transit within the city of toronto, to build ngo stations, that's the first.

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Thing we have to get clear in our head. The second thing we have to get clear in.

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Our head is how they're being paid for the premise that has been discussed is.

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That somehow there's a new way of paying for them that doesn't cost taxpayers.

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Money we'll use development charges. Well, we.

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Always use development charges to build infrastructure, there's nothing different.

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Here or these things called tiff's now, if you heard the answer, mr. farad gave.

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To my question, you will know that the province of ontario never made it legal.

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To create a tif, there is no tif. What we are doing is using money that we.

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Raise through property taxes and other taxes to pay for debt that we issue now.

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Staff will say some of that will be offset because when you build new.

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Infrastructure, the city grows and you get new revenue and that's true. You know.

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What it's true of every single thing we do any transit investment we make.

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Generates new growth in the city, so there is no new funding mechanism here.

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We're being asked to pay for this exactly the way we pay for everything.

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Else but we're being asked to do something that no other municipality.

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Does which is to take our scale? Transit dollars and some scarce federal.

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Transit dollars that are allocated to the city of toronto, to build transit to.

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Build ghost issues- and the question we have to ask is, if you had a billion and.

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A half dollars we're building six ghost stations, be the best investment you can.

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Make to improve transit in the city of toronto, and no one has ever put a.

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Document in front of that, this council saying whether doing this or build it.

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Buying more streetcars or expanding the subway somewhere else or running more.

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Frequent bus service or extending the eglinton line or getting the fish lrt.

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Built faster or extending the sheppard finch or building the waterfront light.

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Rail system, no one, has ever told us whether we get more riders for that.

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Billion and a half dollars doing one of those things than doing this, so don't.

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Get lost in the name, smart track. It doesn't mean anything.

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Tif, it doesn't mean anything. Ask yourself: is this a good transit.

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Investment, the answer to me is compared to other options that we should be.

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Considering no thank, you counts there kimball, so I will say that.

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Is it a counselor perks, asses at a good transit investment? I will say it's a.

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Good transit initiative, but I don't know if it's a good transit investment.

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Because I don't really I mean all I know is that our investment ends at about 1.3.

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Billion, it's not 1.5, mil it's about 1.2 billion dollars and what I'm very.

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Uncomfortable with is, as we discussed earlier, is the cost of these stations. I.

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Can't for the life of me figure out why a station would cost two hundred million.

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Dollars people walk up. Yes, we're gonna need elevators. Most of this stuff will.

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Be at grade there's two hundred and forty-eight or two hundred and sixty.

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Eight million dollars in here for city infrastructure changes that need to be.

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Made to accommodate these stations, but these aren't subway stations. These are.

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Above ground stations, where we perhaps have to provide some provision for.

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People to keep out of the rain and out of the snow and maybe keep warm, although.

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I don't know why we would have to do that, and so staff has given us some.

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Reassurance that it's capped at one point, one: nine billion dollars and it's.

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True is this: is this the best way to spend that kind of money.

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I think the smart track initiative or go rer urbanists. You might want to call it.

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I think it's a great initiative, we need we, you know we can't keep dithering as a.

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Council about whether or not we need to move people more quickly and more.

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Frequently in toronto, so the mayor's the mayor's campaign message from the last.

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Election and- and I think it still rings true today- we need to move people. We.

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Need to act, what I'm not comfortable with as a as a councillor and as.

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Somebody that sits on the budget committee is sort of the vague.

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References to expenditures that were being asked to approve- and I understand.

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Why we're not seeing it? Because they have the procurements haven't gone out for the the procurements and the bids haven't gone out for these particular.

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Stations, but at the very least I would like to have seen some sort of.

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Schematics and had some sort of better understanding of where these stations.

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Are and what they're going to be comprised of? I don't know what they went.

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Through when they built, you know the bluer danforth line, but I know when they.

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Built the tea. Why and I refer to it or earlier. I think.

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That counsel made the council that approve those subway stations made a.

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Mistake we had, we have approved, we approved six stations with six.

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Different contractors and we're still fighting all the change of scope, changes.

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And and claims coming in to the to the ttc today, and so if I have any sense of.

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Comfort, it's that we are not going to be preceding them down that road, where we.

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Have six different contractors doing six different stations, so councillor perks,.

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Compared us to a york, region and appeal region, well, we're not york and we're not.

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Peel, we have we. If anything, we have all of those people coming into toronto and.

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We have, we have, we have torontonians, we need to move more quickly, so I don't.

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Think that comparison is valid, but you know from from my money: I'm not really.

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Comfortable, I'm not at all comfortable with the exhorting, like the blank cheque.

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That we're writing to metrolinx and hoping on. You know on their good graces.

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That the money will be well spent. Thank you, madam speaker. Thank you.

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Callister matt lowe. Madam speaker, I like councillor perks.

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Before me, I absolutely agree that adding local stations along regional rail is a.

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Good idea and there's something that I hope we would all support and I'll.

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Advocate for because there are communities in the city, we would be.

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Better served using the existing rail lines that we have now it's a more.

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Cost-Effective t to use existing infrastructure than having to make it up.

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Where it hasn't been before that being said, though, every step of the way.

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Through this smart track journey, things have not added up just logically also.

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Things haven't run true and, as was said before, there is no like technical term.

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Smart track that I've ever seen at any planning report that wasn't prescribed.

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By a political initiative, so smart track, the word was, as far as I know, was.

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Created during the the last municipal election and it was promised as 22.

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Stations and that's just not true, and it and it never would have been true, it was.

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Also said that it was going to be a heavy rail spur, a western spur that, when.

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An opponent of a venn candidate john tory even suggested that that may not be.

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Feasible or would not work, she was derided and I and I remember.

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Terms, like you know, debbie downer and you know terms like. Oh you know it's.

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Easier to say no than to say: yes, it's a good rhetoric, but it wasn't fair and it.

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Wasn't reasonable because there were substantive problems with that proposal.

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It was also promised that all that would be done in seven years and that's not.

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Going to be true as well, it was also promised that the whole darn.

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Thing would be paid for by tif, and it was I understand during an election when.

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You've got the ford saying we're gonna build a subway at every corner and we're.

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Not going to raise taxes that you kind of want to come up with an answer to.

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That that is equally sellable, but to suggest that all this would be paid for.

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By tif was never realistic and never never should have been accepted as as.

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Reality and now we're being told that a segment of this would be covered by tif.

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Well, maybe maybe not maybe some of it, we don't know, and certainly there are.

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Reasonable questions about even the differences between the information that.

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Sra first-first, avis and the current city.

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Information that we're receiving some of the information without going to zoo.

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Much detail now actually contradicts to each other and raises even more.

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Questions so I don't know if any of you can honestly say that you know if this.

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Tif proposal will work. Some have said that taxes have not been raised to pay.

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For this, that's not true taxes, property taxes were raised to the city building.

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Fund to pay for this, and perhaps along with other projects but boys, this can.

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Eat up a lot of it, so anyone who tells you that taxes weren't raised to pay for.

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This isn't telling you the whole story. The other thing that I must remind us is.

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That you know, do you have confidence in even this this, this political initiative.

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Why are we now the revenue tool for the province? Do you remember a few years ago.

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The premier said that we needed an adult conversation to pay for metro lynx's projects, including our er, including the relief.

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Line including a number of different lines across the city- and there was a.

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Serious conversation at that time, and I remembered the province came to us as a.

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Council and asked us to endorse a number of ideas that they were considering to.

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Be able to pay for all these projects as part of the big move? What did we do.

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We provided a double negative response to them and said that we're not not.

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Going to support things and really that kind of fizzled out elections came by.

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Elections came that never happened, and then we threw the last election went up.

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And said: hey what about us? Why don't we, the city of toronto, end up.

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Paying for what should be local stations on regional rail, a go line, and I just.

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Don't think that's good politics, I don't think that's good city governance. I.

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Don't think that's good strategy. What I would like us to do is advocate to the.

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To the provincial government that we should have local stations as part of.

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The rer, I see your smile and I maybe you don't you don't agree with that strategy.

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But that's what I believe we should do. We were successful, for example,.

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Councillor kolob know that when oak wood wasn't part of the eglinton crosstown.

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Line, that's a metrolinx line. That's going thright through toronto along.

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Eglinton the government agreed with us and they added that line. We can, if we.

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Want to make our case but to simply start paying for metrolinx projects. I.

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Think is unreasonable. We don't even know, for example, do you really know any of.

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You exactly what the frequency of service is going to be at the end of the.

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Day what metro links will ultimately do we hope we would like, but we don't know.

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Thank we don't so, ultimately, I don't think we have enough in. Thank you.

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Councillor matt lowell, your time's up, thank you counts there, memel edie, madam.

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Speaker I removed that city councillor of cross, the province of ontario and.

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Metro links to relocate 1 billion dollars from the finch lrt project to.

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And use the funds for smart track, and, and this is not the last time I'm going.

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To try this motion, I tried it a number of times.

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Now the ritz provincially is going to be dropped on may the 5th, and some of you.

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Are laughing but I kind of I kind of I kind of know the the future premiere of.

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This province quite well, and I can tell you that I've talked to him a number of.

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Times on this and you'll be asking a lot of questions with respect to the.

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Financial situation with respect to all of this, and don't be surprised at any.

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Given time after this election that this, this exact thing that I'm asking for.

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Today, might, in fact happen in scarborough might get the money that.

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They need for the project that was yes approved by this council, with all the.

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Stops a number of years ago, I'm not going to stop doing that, because this is.

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The right thing to do you've got a community that does not want it out. The.

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Lrt and wants the subway you've got a community that qualifies for a subway if.

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Only ttc would count its riders 90% of the people that are using buses along.

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Finch avenue are using it for free and we're not counting them. If we were to.

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Count them a councillor call if we were to count them. Finch avenue would.

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Actually, qualify for the subway. What we've been told in this community is you.

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Don't qualify for a subway because there's the riders aren't enough right.

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So I'm not going to give up on this I'm going to keep trying this may or may not.

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Lose today on the floor of council, but I think after june the 7th I might just.

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Try this again and see where it goes. I don't know, but at the end of the day.

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Here we are those that those those of you that are.

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Going to vote against what's in front of us because of lack of money, we are we're.

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Arguing the fact, because there's not enough money, we've cut the stations in.

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Scarborough, because we haven't had enough money right and here you got a.

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Local councillor, who says we don't need the lrt running through our community.

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Take the money from that and put it towards this, so you can get another.

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Subway along a lot in toronto quicker and sooner than later, but many of you.

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Don't believe that you believe in lrt s, for some reason and- and I just I'm just.

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Going to keep trying mr. mayor I'm going to keep trying this, I don't.

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Know whether I'll succeed at the end of the day, but I'm going to be hard-headed.

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On this, as I've always been and try and get the subway that we deserve along.

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Finch avenue somebody has to do that and I don't see I don't see anybody on this.

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Council floor, taking the lead to do that except myself, I'm going to keep trying.

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It on on another front, this this thing has changed a number of times, as we've.

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Seen I remember counselor counselor thompson counselors, the beer maker gosh.

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Counselor ashton way back when who said we need, we need the subway to come to.

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Scarborough and there was countless of debates with respect to this, and we.

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Finally made a decision and yes, there was a few more stops than we're talking.

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About today, but what took away those stops is what we're debating today and.

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That's fast-track so now the fast-track is with us. There's smart, smart track. My.

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Apologies now that smart track is with us. We are, we are debating whether or not.

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We should continue cutting the stops in scarborough. I don't believe we should be.

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Cutting the stops in scarborough, I think scarborough needs those stops, and I.

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Think scarborough got the short end of the stick with respect to our decisions.

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Here in council, smart track is a good line. Mr. mayor, and I commend you for.

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Bringing that forward, but what's happened with smart track- is that we've.

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Reduced the number of stops in scarborough and that's been kind of.

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Divisive, that's be kind of a an issue where, where people are saying, why did we.

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Have to do that in order to build this particular line. And, lastly, we now have.

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All of this in front of us without the money and so you've got councillor matt.

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Lowe stands up and he kicks and screams and councillor perks and all the rest.

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Saying, first of all, they don't agree with with any of the suburbs having.

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Having having subways they'll always disagree, but this gives them the.

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Argument because there's no money so they're standing up and arguing the fact.

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The money I just gave you the money, there's a billion dollars on the table.

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I hope did you vote in favor of it fund both these projects, if you like mr.

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Mayor with the money along finch, finch avenue, lrt. Thank you. We have a question.

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From councillor perugia clarification of the motion- council, prusa, you're you're.

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Aware that well over two hundred million dollars has been spent on the finch west.

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Lrt project to date, right you're, aware that most of the money that was spent.

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Would be spent on a subway recognition anyway, are you not are you? You know that.

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Metrolinx has spelled well over two hundred million dollars, and you know has.

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Announced the contractor account so there's that's not clarification at the.

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Motion yeah his is he aware that his motion would basically take two three.

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Hundred million dollars of spent money and burn it in the ground without a.

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Single improvement to finch avenue and- and I don't even know if he ever uses, I.

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Know he represents what seven I don't even know where he lives.

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Oh so, at the end I don't even know where you live now, stu perused, to please.

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That's out of order, let's go to the clerk's office. My address is in the.

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Documents at city hall and okay at the end of the day, I would.

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Say this to to councillor perugia through you, madam speaker,.

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The community does not want that the the lrt they would rather take the billion.

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Dollars that ours allocated along that line and give it towards a subway in the.

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City of toronto, I know that because we have had a very, very large meetings.

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Consultation meetings that talked about just this, in fact the mayor, was at one.

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Of them yet thank you councilmember, so so in answering the question I know.

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Exactly what the community wants with respect to, what's already been spent.

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Madam, madam speaker, are you aware that the the project has been put on hold.

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Are you aware the contract hasn't even been given out.

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From the province, and are you aware that the writ is going to be dropped on may.

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The 5th and no contract is going to be issued until after the election. We.

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Should do the right thing? Counselor teresa, stop the lrt lan finch.

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Avenue stop supporting it and start supporting a subway like we should have.

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Thank you councillor lee councillor lee to speak yeah. It was up councilor, lead.

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To speak, thank you very much. Madam speaker. I rise to support the report and.

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Since I became a city councilor, we have gone through many iterations of the.

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Building a network out in the city of toronto, as well as out to the 905 area.

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So it is important for us not to keep changing course as we go along because.

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The more changes we have the longer the delay is- and I do know that many people.

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That actually live downtown book in 905 every as well, so they are using all the.

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Existing facilities to get out to the job not out a 905 so by heavy spot track.

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And the additional stations that's going to be part of all this. It will give.

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People the option to move around the city in a more orderly fashion.

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In fact this morning I did take the go train down from asian cos station to.

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Union station, it is a very good right. The only issue.

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Is that a unit station is packed jammed, so we need to improve that and be and.

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Along the way weather is that cherry street the weather is that girard street.

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Additional stations will give people the option of getting off the ttc and onto.

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Smart track for a faster and more comfortable ride and a lot of people.

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Telling me they were going to be using the same.

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Trains that we are using go train in a go system. Now I don't believe so. I.

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Believe that there will be looking at new technology and a better technology.

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Electrification to ensure that people get most around in a better fashion and.

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Is it it is important to keep on the course that we are going right now and.

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Ensuring that smart track is built our er, because our er is a foundation for.

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Smart track to be built so please vote in favor of moving forward and designing.

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The stations and ensuring that we get a network that we deserve here in the.

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Toronto region. Thank you. Thank you, council ii, councillor crawford to speak.

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Here I have two motions: technical motions: that staff have asked me to move.

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If I can put them up motion a is to delete the word authorized and to.

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Include direct the general manager, economic development and culture and the.

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Chief planner and executive directors city planning to include in the proposed amendments to the new community improvement plan by law on which they.

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Will be recording to the planning and growth committee in accordance with mdx.

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30.6 and to just remove just technical and in the wording that remove the.

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Phasing and to say to phase out and to add halfway down above grade to the.

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Building permits the second motion motion be again. Technical in nature is.

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Self-Explanatory there very simply, I'm going to support these recommendations.

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And I want to thank the leadership of the mayor for moving this forward. An.

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Incredibly important transit project for the city but, more importantly, it's an.

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Incredibly important transit project force carville. This will improve transit.

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In scarborough and I have always supported, moving and improving transit.

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In scarborough, it is part it's it's, this is only one part of an.

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Of initiatives that are taking place with the scarborough transit plan that.

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Is happening I have and will always continue to support the eligos in east.

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Lrt to kennedy that were actually, I was on eglinton this morning and they're.

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Actually, starting to do the work which I've always supported, I have and will.

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Always support the blur danforth subway extension to scarborough town centre and.

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Of course, I'll be supporting the eglinton east, lrt extension to.

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Scarborough! U of t with all of these projects happening the end of the day.

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The transit and scarborough will be better. That has been a priority of mine.

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And we'll continue to do that. Thank you. Thank you. Counselor troi see thank you.

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Madam speaker, this transit project is very important for the future of the.

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City, but these improvements are also bringing some great challenges to our.

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Local downtown communities, many of these residents literally live right beside.

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The tracks metrolinx residents associations in my office have been.

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Working very closely to ensure that mitigation measures be in place with.

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Overnight work and noise, the consultation of the community is being.

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Done with regards to expanding under prep under passes that are vital.

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North/South access for local residents, pedestrians and cyclists metrolinx has.

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Been at the table and working closely with the local residents associations so.

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I'd like to ensure that we continue earning metrolinx to consider the local.

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Residents whenever possible and make these transit improvements, work for.

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Local communities as well. Thank you. Thank you.

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Counselor posture knack to speak. Yes, thank you.

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A madam speaker, just very briefly, I wanted to commend my colleagues and the.

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Mayor for helping lay the groundwork for the next generation of transit in the.

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City and I don't think it's any secret- a transit congestion is the number one.

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Problem that we're facing the city moving people and goods around in a safe.

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And viable way, the smart track concept uses existing in front infrastructure.

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Using it overlays on an existing funded plan by the province, it allows people to.

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Not only see trains going by their communities but actually be able to get.

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On them, I think one of the big challenges we're going to find is that.

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We need a cultural shift in toronto. Urban trains are primarily a european.

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Phenomena and what we need to do is make sure that, as we go forward, that we reach.

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Out to the local communities, where these new stops will be and make sure that.

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They understand that they can get on them, that they will be transit, riders.

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And they can get to their place of work quicker, their place of education, quicker.

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Or back home even quicker, and I think that's really the key key message to.

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Make sure that good news is coming to the local community that it's a good.

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Municipal, provincial partnership that, as I said, leverages existing infrastructure.

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Is it expensive? Yes, it is expensive, a transit delayed is transit, expensive and.

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That's what we have to deal with, and I think the people of toronto are willing.

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To pay because this will prove over generations to come, that is an effective.

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Viable way to get people around in a safe, effective manner and it's using.

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What we know, what we know is existing rail lines to make sure that we get the.

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Best bang for our dollar, so I think I commend the mayor for bringing this.

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Forward in the last campaign- and I commend staff for working on it and.

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Making sure it's before us mayor, jerry once is supportive.

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Thank you, counselor davis, to speak. Thank you speaker. I have two motions. The first.

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Motion asks city council to authorize the city manager to review and identify.

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Opportunities for improving connections between main street subway station, the.

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Danforth go station in coordination with metrolink stanford station project, which.

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Is already in the design phase and for consideration with the additional city.

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Infrastructure unidentified works that are going forward. I've consulted with a.

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Number of people, including staff, and they are supportive of that. The second.

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One I'm moving okay, counselor davis hold on I'm gonna. Put your time on hold.

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Councillor care giannis: please, can you keep it down? Counselor ma'am led counter.

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Chris aunty councillor carmichael grab it's very noisy in here. Thank you.

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Okay, councillor davis. My second motion, I'm sure, is more controversial and this.

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Second motion is to address the concerns that I raised both in my questions that.

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Committee and here at council- and it has to do with delegating to staff full.

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Authority for everything from here on, we are delegating, so this asked them to.

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Report back to council before entering into major contracts or agreements, I.

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Want to say, first of all, this is a much better agreement, the terms and.

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Conditions than what we initially were looking at when we discussed it at.

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Council previously, it has caps on the amount of capital expenditure. It has the.

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Provincial government picking up a hundred percent of the operating costs.

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And it has us being able to get improved service.

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Levels- and I know that in council irma havoc has just been telling me why he's.

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Supporting him that other major cities integrate their regional express rail.

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With their local rail- and I understand that this does not do what the original.

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Expectations of smart track purported to do. It is a much more modest proposal. I.

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Know it fits into the network plan that we approved at council, but it still.

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Concerns me, and it concerns me for a number of reasons. It concerns me because.

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We are delegating so much authority to staff and it is in no way questioning.

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The competency, that of our staff team, but we are only- we are proving this.

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Saying goodbye, go off council staff go off staff and negotiate, execute and sign.

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Contracts from here on, if they meet appendix a that's, that's true, but we are.

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Approving an amount of money that purports to know that costs at 10%.

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Design, I can't imagine that the costs we have before us can be that accurate.

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We're approving a funding mechanism that other people have spoken about, but it it.

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Assumes considerable development, in fact the report says we should be relaxing.

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Our planning constraints in order to try and increase the amount of development.

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And it concerns me because the third party cushman & wakefield, that reviewed.

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The sra proposal for the development said, and I quote there is always.

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Considerable uncertainty associated with any long term forecast of redevelopment.

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Because the actual rate of development will be driven by many factors, and so we.

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Know that this financing is based on some significant assumption.

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About development that are projected, but certainly not hard and fast, we are also.

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Giving authority for disposing of land to our staff and we're giving our staff.

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The ability to determine whether the costs are fair and reasonable on their.

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Own, how are our staff going to determine that? The costs that come in from this.

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Alternative financing proposal are fair and reasonable.

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We haven't ought not done that before there's an accounting and governance.

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Structure- and I still don't know what that is, we only have three years of fair guarantees and while they're picking up.

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The operating costs they have other ways for us to pay, and that is through the.

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Integrated fares that will come beyond so I do believe that we need greater.

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Accountability back to council, they maintain and operate agreement that will.

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Be struck with metrolinx, I believe we need to know about and if it is a.

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Third-Party operator and third-party maintenance.

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Thank you, sir davis. We should approve that third party approval. Thank you.

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Councillor de bare maker to speak great, thank you, madam speaker, and I will.

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Certainly be supporting the recommendations today, and I want to.

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Thank her staff for doing a lot of work, and I do want to tip my hat to our mayor.

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Who saw, as some people have said, invented this some people seem to think.

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It was a bad thing that during an election campaign, you had a candidate.

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Who said you know what I've looked at things, and I actually think that we can.

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Make use of the existing lines that have already been built have already been.

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Paid for by tax payers that have already been approved, and we can, if you will.

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Piggyback on a larger re, our proposal that would actually put more stations in.

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The city of toronto, somebody said: well, you know we're not metrolinx or not. The.

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905 belt know where the city of toronto and to.

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Have six new stations built in the city of toronto is spectacular for every part.

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Of this city, finch east we're gonna love that.

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Station out there lawrence east we're gonna love that station.

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Gerard carlos station, it's gonna, be loved by those people. East harbor, east.

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Harbor down closer to the don river in the core in the core 50,000 jobs.

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Expected to be created in that one district, those 50,000 jobs, will not.

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Happen without public transit. This station was specifically designed at.

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This location at east harbor to help achieve our city goals of creating.

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50,000 jobs in that district, not in my ward, closer to the don river, but I think.

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50,000 jobs is something that we should all be supporting and not complaining.

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About king liberty, think of the development that's happened there now.

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And that's going to come when the station is opens up, who, what do we hear.

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Every single week, every single month at the ttc and on the media that the west.

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End is congestion and overcrowded people need more transit. This report today says.

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We're going to invest a billion and a half dollars those people in the west.

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End of toronto are going to get more transit same as that st. claire and old.

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Westin, this is going to be a catalyst for every part of the city.

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I look at front and spadina station and blur lansdowne station. If you ask the.

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Councillors who represent front and spadina and blur in lansdowne, would you.

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Like those stations well, of course, you want those stations, because you want.

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Your residents to get better transit and you want a better development pattern in.

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Your ward, we're not even paying for the extra those extra two new stations being.

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Built in the city of toronto, so I put up our one and a half billion dollars, plus.

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The money the province is putting up eight new station south of steeles avenue good for all of us, maybe going downtown. But you know what we do live in.

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A region and some of our residents actually work in the 905 belt, so.

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There'll be people from from from the 905 belt coming into the 401 six, but.

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They'll also be a lot of us going from the 401 six to the 905. I think this just.

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Slams it out of the park to use existing infrastructure at a relatively small.

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Cost 1.5 billion is a big number. But when you look at the metro links report.

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What do they say to us the benefits of this 1.5 billion dollar investment? They.

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Estimate to be 4.5 billion dollars in benefits.

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Why wouldn't we invest one and a half million dollars when we.

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Know the payback to our city, the value of those benefits is over four and a.

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Half billion dollars: this is a good deal for the city of toronto. I'm very glad.

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Somebody had the strength of character and the foresight to say you know, I'm.

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Gonna put this on the table: it's got no support right now. It's got.

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No funding now, but I think I can do it and lo and behold here we are today.

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Approving something that I think is again in the end, gonna pass. That's going.

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To give us a really great level of service, I believe that this is really.

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Essentially, this is our downtown relief line month after month after month, after.

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Month I hear a lot of people saying the only thing on this planet that we need.

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Is the downtown relief line? Well, if you look at this great big letter- u that is.

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Smart track and the rer system, that is, the downtown relief line. All of those.

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People in all of these places that we're going to get on our subway system might.

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Actually get on smart track and you know what that's going to provide to relief.

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For people in the young line it's going to be providing relief at yonge and bloor. It is a very good deal for the city of toronto, where the premiere so.

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Far has announced that the entrance fee or the fares are going to be $3. Yes, I.

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Agree some people have criticised the report saying well, you haven't finalized.

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A detail about fare integration. Can I take my metro pass and get off the bus.

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And get on to the the smart track station at no cost. I think the answer.

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That is going to be yes, every mpp every mp every councillor I talked to says we.

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Have to have fair integration, every staff member I talked to says there has.

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To be fair integration, have we got it yet today, no, we haven't, waved a magic.

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Wand and solved all of the world's problems in one staff report with one.

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Project, but what we're doing is we're walking towards that solution and we're.

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Walking towards it very successfully, this is great. This is the downtown.

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Relief line delivered today, not in 10 years, not in 20 years from now, not in.

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Three decades from now, but this is a downtown relief line starting up now.

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Thank you, madam speaker. Thank you, counts their holiday to speak. Thank you.

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Speaker, I'd just like to offer my comments on this. I've been riding public.

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Transit for the most part of my life, I planning experience in it and I can tell.

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You as somebody that lives out at the west end if the subways shuts down you're done. It's like a $35 cab ride or it's.

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Multiple buses or streetcar changes just to get home or try to make it somewhere.

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To pick up kids from daycare, but the thing that sticks in my mind most about.

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The discussion today is is when I went to school in the universities to take.

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The bus from home- and there were two types of boston kipling, there's the.

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Local bus and there's the express bus, the express bus ran every three or four.

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Minutes and it would run people from north etobicoke down to the station and.

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You'd go out there and you'd stand by the bus stop and you wait for the bus to come. The local bus, the 45 and he'd wait and he'd wait and these other buses. We.

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Would whiz past you full of people going down to the station? I don't mean to be.

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Critical of that, but that's the process that we had, but nothing would frustrate.

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Me more standing there when it was minus 30 watching these buses stop at the.

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Stoplight, they wouldn't pick me up it's because it was a regional service. It.

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Would movie from a far part into the end of the station in the downtown? It was.

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Different than the local bus service, but that's what I think about in this.

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Instance, we've got this, go our er network. That is predominantly serving.

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The 905 it's moving from 1500 trains to 6,000 trains, so it's incumbent on the.

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City to try to take advantage of that. Otherwise, we'll have these trains that.

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Whiz through our neighborhoods moving people from the 905 and not actually.

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Serving our residents, I fear it will actually become a situation where it's.

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Easier to come into this city, if you live out in brampton or mississauga or.

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North of the city than it is, if you live just within the suburbs- and I don't.

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Think that's the type of situation that we want to create, and I mean I get the.

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Discussion today about the sticker price, but the price is the price we need to.

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Pay our freight if we want to serve the local citizens within the city on a.

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Regional network as much as the next person I'd be happy to have corrugated.

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Metal stations made of under block, but from what I heard from staff today, a lot of this money has to do with civil improvements that we'll.

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Probably never see or notice, but they need to be done to have the stations.

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Work, I don't know if we don't have adequate transit and adequate transit.

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Choices for, in particular, the people that are on the the suburban periphery.

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Of this city, what we continue to do is fracture the city and the people that.

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Live in these areas, the people who live in central etobicoke, such as myself, feel.

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More and more disconnected with their downtown because they can't drive there.

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The traffic is untenable, it'll come to the point where they won't be able to.

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Take transit there because there are other options or it's broken down so.

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Getting these extra connection points to the regional system is really important.

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Now, if I leave you with one final thought, what I really don't want to have.

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Is the day where I have to get up in the morning, and I have to point my car into.

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The direction of mississauga and drive out of the 401 six to take transit into.

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Downtown toronto, because that ends up being the faster way. So please think.

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About what is before us, I recognize that it's expensive, it will be paid for.

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Taxpayers, whatever the system may be, it's still the taxpayer paying for it.

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But if we do not create local service for our citizens, it will be the.

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Nanofibers that have the best trip into the city. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Counts there thompson to speak. Thank you very.

O

Much speaker speaker, I rise in support of the item in front of us. It's a rather.

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Novel thing- because we've been at this for some time now and we have not really.

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Thought about how to use the rer opportunity to help us to engage to be.

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Able to allow our residents to have additional options and choices to be.

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Able to either get home or to go to varying places in such where they'd, like.

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To go, I'm hearing the conversation, and it is that well, you know it's too.

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Expensive and so on, and I get that. But if it was available to us for free.

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Certainly, I would take it, but it's my understanding. It's not available to us.

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For free in terms of what we want as a big city, with respect to being able to.

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Controlling our own destiny, I understand the province is spending the thirteen.

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Point five billion dollars and we are attempting to address our own needs. It's.

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Really important that we actually take our heads out of the sand.

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And recognize what is actually going to take place, our residents will have an.

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Opportunity of having more frequent services, counselor holliday, pointed out.

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That we're going from about 1600 vehicles on a trains per week, oh up to.

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6000, that's a remarkable number when I was a student in montreal and I would be.

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Able to take the rer system to go to the west island or the south shore. That was.

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Great for me, if it wasn't available to me, I would have had to find other ways.

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To be able to get around, I look at my community and I recognize that if we.

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Were not to look at smart trek, my community would be further disadvantage.

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Because, in fact, in losing the srt, we would not simply benefit because of the.

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Expansion of the blue or danforth subway system, the smart track service will.

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Provide my community with actually the convenience the ability to be able to.

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Get from scarborough center to downtown or get home or to get from other points.

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In order to get onto the system, we will have an additional 4,000 plus units of.

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Residential accommodation, in the middle and in lawrence area, there are a number.

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Of apartments and condos in the area now, if we were in which we will to lose the.

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Srt without a complimentary service that is going to cater to them, then my.

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Community is going to be further as disadvantaged, so I could not.

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Stand in this council and not support this particular report in front of us.

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We've heard about the cost staff by the way I want to compliment them because.

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They've done a really good job in terms of providing means and measures in terms.

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Of how we're going to pay for the 1.19 five million and the additional two.

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Hundred and sixty eight million dollars that are needed in order to provide this.

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Opportunity to create more frequency of service in the community to ensure that.

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We're using the rail lines that our rail lines that are there now, that is.

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Underutilized to be able to take people to varying parts of this particular city.

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I think we should be celebrating the mayor taking a risk and, yes, we were.

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Supposed to have 22 now we're down to six. We all know sometimes when we start.

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With these particular plans, there are other immediate measures that comes.

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Forward and says we can't do what we were initially hoping to do, and so we.

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Ought to ensure that we rally around this, and I note that the folks in the.

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Downtown core- and I really hate to separate downtown and the suburbs quite.

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Frankly, there's always a a view that whatever is needed for scarborough or in.

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Other parts of the the suburbs that there seems to be a real view that.

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Somehow, there's got to be a different way and the way that it is it isn't of.

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Benefits to our community and so for those who represent the community. We can.

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Actually speak up for the community, we celebrate the fact that downtown has a.

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Variety of different go station stops now, whether or not union station.

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Exhibition places and so on and also you have better transit than then than.

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Scarborough in the fact that I'm happy that, but I'm not going to stand here and.

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Not support better transit in my community so that my residents can.

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Actually benefit and have a similar option that is available to the.

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Residents in the downtown core, thank you very much.

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So make sure right, look so now cut counts. There may have a to speak well.

L

Yes, thank you very much, madam speaker. I think on this on this issue. We need to.

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Look at this on a system level, I used to sit on the board of gold transit before.

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They quote d politicized they before they took off their city, their elected.

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Officials on their board- and I remember I remember those conversations that we.

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Had at the board meeting and with staff, and I think it would be fair to say that.

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In those days, the goal system, both on the bus side and on the heavy rail side.

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Saw itself as a system of transit between 905 and 401 6 that really that.

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Was their raison d'être, so when some of us I for one, would mention well how.

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About um you know, wouldn't it be great if we had when you consider the way the.

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Heavy rail is, is located in toronto. It's such a beautiful system because it.

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Radiates out from the center, there are seven lines, they go east, they go west.

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They go northwest northeast. They go directly north that we should also, as.

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Gold, as the goal board, I used to say think of intra four one.

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Six transportation, but that wasn't part of the culture of the goal board at the.

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Time of the ngo system at the time what this represents this mode, this proposal.

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Before us here represents is a chance to change the culture change the paradigm.

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Of travel along long distances within densely populated maturing ever maturing.

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Urban municipalities, when we travel anyone travels to london to paris to the.

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Big cities of the world heavy rail is a part of the mix. Heavy rail is a part of.

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The mix, and while this might not be perfect, yes, there are some unanswered.

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Questions around ellington west that will be answered later on. There are some.

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Questions around the fund- and you know that can be checked later.

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On with the council that if the money doesn't come, we'll have to make some.

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Mature decisions around taxes or another revenue sources, but you know what this.

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Is an important piece of a very, very big project? You know I would say in the last.

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20 years, if you think what are the big public transit projects to hit our.

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Region well, you'd have to say the top. Three are regional, express rail, eglinton.

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Crosstown and the subway extension to highway highway- seven, I would say re- are.

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Smart track is the big one. This is going to change how we travel in this region.

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And for that reason I think it is really really important for us to to change to.

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Support it, you know they say in the from my experience in the on public transit.

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Boards and and this and that mobility is about options when you only have one.

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Option the automobile, then your choices around your ability to be flexible in a.

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City is limited, your economic opportunities become limited when you.

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Have multiple options I, for example, I can walk to work. I can cycle to work. I.

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Can take the subway to work? That's great! Well, you know what, in the next little.

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While once we, if this happens I'll, be able to go, I live on st. clair I'll, be.

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Able to go west to western road and take heavy rail down to go to a ballgame and.

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All that region will also have the same opportunity, or I can go a little bit.

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Further afield and go up to berry and then head to the cottage or have my.

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Family who's up at the cottage, because I can't go to the cottage meet me in berry.

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Or to kitchener like this really has opportunities for us as a city, I don't.

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Think we should be frankly shy about it, but regional, long, distance, commutes.

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Within four one, six is a game-changer. I think it's going to add variety and.

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Appeal to our residents and for those reason I.

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It is important to do. I also note that the another reason why it's important to.

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Do is, we do have time pressures metrolinx is saying, while are you in or.

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Out today's the day to decide and frankly, while it is not perfect, while all the eyes are in t all all the eyes have not.

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Been dotted and the t's crossed because of other plans and financial.

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Arrangements that need to be figured out. This is in a pretty good place and for.

L

Those reasons mr. mr. chair, madam speaker, I think this is a worthy of a.

L

Good support. Thank you. Thank you. Counselor havoc, next to speak,.

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Is counselor cole? Thank you mr. deputy speaker on your maiden voyage here or in.

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Training, I'll just start by saying I think, accounts are perks and matt lowe.

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Both touched on and saying how obvious and critical it is to use regional rail.

K

Existing infrastructure and to make it have it, provide a local service. I don't.

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Think there is any disagreement in the room with that. I'm sure anyone who would.

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Live at maine station or in liberty village, it probably has pained them year.

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After year, watching hearing trains and watching them go by and them not.

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Providing them the ability to get into or around the city, and so we all agree.

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On that- and I think it's fair to ask these important questions about- should.

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The city be contributing to those costs of making this regional service a more.

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Localized one because the costs are significant and there's been good questions today about the cost of stations about even the policy.

K

Perspective and appropriateness of the city, contributing up to the regional or.

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Provincial government to make those contributions, and I think we should be.

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And I commend councillors who are looking at that with the critical eye at.

K

The end of the day we need to make this service. We need to make this.

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Infrastructure, more local and I actually don't care at all what it's called. I.

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Don't care what it's been branded or not, or what people want to say it is or not.

K

What fundamentally we need is this heightened level of service on this.

K

Existing infrastructure in the city- and we need our residents or taxpayers to be.

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Able to use that service, and so I think it's critical that we continue to move.

K

This forward, I think it's a critical piece of the infrastructure puzzle and.

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As commissioner and councillor matt havoc sorry counselor havoc has mentioned it's just a fact of life that heavy rail has.

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To be a key component of the entire package that we offer to get people.

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Around this city, so I think it is- is it is a critical investment. It's a large.

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Investment, the city's being asked to paid and one that we have to look at it.

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With a really keen eye that I'm happy, those questions are being asked today, but one that we need to make. We need to leverage this in existing infrastructure.

K

It's important that we do so and certainly from a ttc perspective. It.

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Opens up a whole realm of possibilities of how we can better connect and serve.

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The city of the ttc and I see the ttc as being as the excellent operators that we.

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Are to continue to play a critical role in how we provide service across the.

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City but ultimately, at the end of the day, as we have this debate and we'll.

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Have many others on this? I think item and other transit projects. What we have.

K

To start to accept and admit, is we need to build it all? We no longer have the.

K

Luxury of not building transit in every corner of the city, every mode, whether.

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It's heavy rail light rail, subway above ground below ground. We have taken too.

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Many years off, we know what the consequences of that are and we have the.

K

Luxury of a city that continues to grow people want to continue to move here.

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People want to live in all corners of the city, so all of these projects, let's.

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Debate them, let's look at them with a keen eye. Let's dig into all the numbers.

K

As we should, especially when we're making a huge contribution like we are now on regional, express rail, but we need to build all of these projects and the.

K

Quicker, we do it the better. We need some it for move forward and get people.

K

Moving in the city, thank you, mr. deputy speaker. Thank you councillor, cole. Next.

Q

On the speakers list is councillor fruits, ax.

Q

Followed by councillor lately, thank you. Thank you. Speaker. I've been.

J

Listening intently to the debate that's been going on today.

J

And I don't think, there's anybody who fundamentally disagrees or fundamentally.

J

Says that electrifying heavy rail, adding more stations to the goal network would.

J

Be a bad thing, how can you say it's a bad thing? It's not a bad thing. The.

J

Question is: should the city of toronto be paying for that, should property.

J

Taxpayers in the city of toronto be paying for that, and the answer is.

J

Absolutely not it's irresponsible dangerous at worst.

J

There is nothing that has been put before us that this is a.

J

Transit initiative that the city of toronto should do other than an election.

J

Promise at election time I got that I get that. I understand that, but should.

J

The city of toronto be taxing its residents to the tune of well over a.

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Billion dollars, whether you call it assessment, whether you call it ifs.

J

Whether you call it development charges, whether you call it anything else by any.

J

Other name its property taxpayers in the city of toronto, who are going to foot.

J

That bill to build six platforms on a provincial network. If I were the mayor.

J

Of thomas coming or timmins and be looking at this I'd be saying what are.

J

Those boys drinking down there what's in that drawn of water.

J

Hip-Hip-Hooray, I can't hate those guys anymore, they're.

J

Paying for provincial projects they flush with cash. This should be.

J

Paying their own freight on everything. Imagine future mayors of the city of.

J

Toronto, going in trying to negotiate with a premier about transit initiatives.

J

Or other things, it used to be a 75 25 relationships. We haven't for years on.

J

That they changed it on all capital projects, they changed it. We wind, we.

J

Cried we got no money for that now, now, all of a sudden we're flush with cash. We.

J

Got money to invest in a provincial system hip-hip-hooray? How good are we a system that we won't control frequency on on.

J

Chirps, there's integration, even cleanliness operations, so we are going.

J

To tax property taxpayers to the tune of a billion dollars to hand money, probably.

J

Over to some private management outfit, we don't even know, that's gonna run a.

J

Provincial system, a provincial network and someone is going to stand up and say.

J

While you're resident in liberty village, while there is a who's, the revenues.

J

Hidden in every village going to call when he wants to use a system that the.

J

City of toronto has no has no control over. In fact, in fact, I'm reminded by our.

J

Own history, there was, there was a phrase somewhere, it says no taxation without.

J

Representation right, remember, darwin, remember the no taxation without.

J

Representation well on this one, you know what you're doing you're doing the.

J

Reverse you're taxing handing over money without any representation.

J

How good is that you know this is a great project. It's a great initiative. If.

J

You were running to be premier of the province of ontario. Please absolutely.

J

You want high speed trains between toronto and windsor. Absolutely you know.

J

You want better connections between us in the north, absolutely eastern, ontario and sofa absolutely better integration.

J

Urbanisation of a bit heavy rail system in the city of toronto. Absolutely I vote.

J

For you for premier of ontario, but we as a municipality city of toronto, this is.

J

That something we should not be getting ourselves involved in, because once you.

J

Go down this road, this slippery slope, you will not be able to sponsor kreutzer.

Q

Our next, our next speaker, is councillor leighton. Thank you very much.

P

Deputy speaker and congratulations- I just want to quickly quickly chime in I.

P

Don't think there's anyone in the room that would disagree that as it as a.

P

Theory, the notion of using existing tracks is a great idea. Actually, I think.

P

There's not many of us. That would say that looks like the the path of least.

P

Resistance, I certainly have been one of those people over these many years on council since 2012. I believe it was when.

P

Councillor nunziata and I put forward a recommendation to to council to add.

P

Stops along the then they whatever they were, calling the the the go pearson line.

P

The ups line back then there that also called for more fair integration, better.

P

Affordability for inner-city trips, these all seemed like very reasonable request.

P

To make of the province- and I think what this report gives us is what was a a.

P

Much larger election platform plan that has been whittled down to two.

P

Better, better reflect the realities that exist in our city around. Where will.

P

Transit be needed, what frequency, how it will be paid for and and that's what.

P

This report has essentially done it's taken that that low-hanging, fruit and.

P

And it attempted seeing well what would it take, but but I think, as we scratch.

P

The surface we notice there were problems, and I would actually like to to.

P

To applaud the mayor in that it takes a different kind of politician, not all of.

P

Us might do it to realize that once we learn more information, we change our.

P

Mind why pencils have erasers it's a good thing. I'm not saying it's a bad.

P

Thing I'm saying it's a rather good thing.

P

Former president, barack obama called it, we said we evolved, our thinking evolved.

P

On subjects as we learned more and as as as things changed, and that is something.

P

Very good for a leader on any elected official to have to be able to evolve.

P

With new information, so we've seen that that rather elaborate plan has been.

P

Reduced to two to a handful of stations, some of which I think, perform quite well.

P

In the in measuring, one in particular, will directly affect a residence in ward.

P

19 and it's been one station- I've been pushing for for quite some time. It's not.

P

In the exact location I would like, and I went back to staff repeatedly saying.

P

This needs to be further east. This needs to be further ease, but I came to the.

P

Realization I evolved that as an elected official I I can change many bylaws, but.

P

I can't change laws of physics, and so it wasn't actually possible to move the.

P

Station further east- and so I came to terms with it and made the best out of.

P

It probably made the station a little bit more expensive because it would.

P

Require some some additional land takings it'll require more track. It's.

P

Not just on the original track, they require quite a bit of track work. There.

P

But we evolved one place, I don't think we have evolved enough and and I'm and.

P

And I'm still a skeptic is tax increment financing. I'm not sure that I will just.

P

Like councillor perk said, I'm not sure, that's actually a thing like it's really.

P

Just banking on future development, it's it's gambling and saying.

P

Future development will come to that area. We can get more if we relax those.

P

Planning pressures, but we can bank on there being some we're gambling on there.

P

Being some development there in the future, that may be a pretty good bet and.

P

We're gonna I'm gonna, get to my casino and gambling analogies on the next item.

P

But that may be a pretty good bet, but it's not a secure foundation that we.

P

Should be basing every decision on so when this item or if this item comes.

P

Back with various iteration and changes to the plan which no debt it will there.

P

May be one less station, there may be a hundred million more dollars, maybe yeah.

P

Maybe five hundred million more dollars. I hope that our that that, as as a.

P

Council, our position will evolve with the information that's made available to.

P

Us I hope that we can see where we're taking the right track and see where.

P

We're taking the wrong track, I should add just one more thing, my my concern.

P

And I raised this in questions around the discounted fares that if our.

P

Negotiation with the province leaves us anywhere in the the in the red in the.

P

Arrears, as with respect to the discounted fares with use of a jointly.

P

With our transit partners in the 905, we need to make very clear to the province.

P

That that is not acceptable, that we need, as a city to be reimbursed every nickel.

P

Every dime every fare of that money because I think we're starting to get to.

P

A truly integrated fare model, but the the way that revenue is shared and costs.

P

Are allocated need to be clear if we're going to absorb if the ttc, if the blue.

P

Line that the council holiday spoke about and that I rode this morning and.

A

Waited counselling, thank you. It's just that I'm trying to be fair to.

A

Everyone- and I'm saying it to everybody, counts they're, wong-tam,.

G

Thank you very much, madam speaker, and I just want to rise to thank councillor.

G

Cole for his his words encouraging us, as as council members to be critical and to.

G

Make sure that we review these these plans as they come before us in these.

G

Reports with a keen eye- and I really do appreciate that comment- the comment that.

G

I was a little bit troubled by was the the fact that there was a there was a.

G

Claim by a at the deputy speaker, newly appointed that this is the equivalent of.

G

The downtown relief line- this is not the downtown relief line. There's nothing.

G

About this that even resembles the downtown relief line and to even suggest.

G

That was a sentence says to me that there's a cloud over the judgment of all.

G

Transit planning from that particular corner, but nevertheless, madam speaker, I.

G

Think that we want to do the right thing, as as we are elected to do and that.

G

Right thing means that we actually negotiate from a position of strength.

G

And we lead from the front and not from behind and madam speaker what I find so.

G

Troubling about this particular report and in substance, the conversations that.

G

Have led to where we are today is that there's so much costs and expenditures.

G

That are going to be borne by the city of toronto, for regional transportation.

G

And metrolinx go our er infrastructure that no other municipality is paying for.

G

And so if we were being treated the same as every other municipality surrounding.

G

The gtha as it pertains to this type of regional, express rail, then yeah. I would.

G

I would certainly be open to it, but why is it that the city of toronto? Why would.

G

We ask the residents of toronto to bear the costs of provincial regional.

G

Infrastructure- and that's me is that is that I've certainly got no problems in in utilizing and making sure that the heavy.

G

Rail is multifunctional that it actually can meet the needs of our communities.

G

But in so many ways we're actually subsidizing out-of-town riders which to.

G

Me is rather problematic simply because no other jurisdiction is doing that for.

G

Us, as far as I can tell we're, starting to write some pretty big checks to help other people get into our city and that.

G

Doesn't seem to be a very smart use of the local tax dollars and especially.

G

Since these tax dollars are so rare, madam speaker, because we have massive.

G

Wait lists for supportive housing, affordable housing, wait, wait lists for.

G

For childcare, wait lists for long-term care, wait list for all sorts of other.

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Services like recreation- and here we are, we have money to spare.

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Madam speaker, the the funding proposals that are placed before us is, as that.

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Best, I think, a sketch we've been talking a lot about. I've read a lot about the.

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Sketches on the back of a napkin, and so the cities share to come up with 870.

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Thought set based, 878 million dollars is sketchy at best, so the development.

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Charges which means that if we're going to take the velma charges and direct it.

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To this project, we can't be using those funds for anything else, because it's.

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Going to this particular project, and yet, as far as I can tell madam speaker,.

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There's only two stations and that's east harbor, as well as the liberty.

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Village that actually has maximum benefits for our dollars, so there seems.

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To be a really strong case on why those two stations should be built, because.

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It's going to pay for itself the other force station's, madam speaker, is.

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Questionable at best, especially since it's been unclear in terms of the.

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Frequency of service, whether it's 15 minutes, 6, 6, 8 minutes or perhaps we.

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Should be pursuing the the blur danforth line service frequency of every 3 to 4.

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Minutes, especially for that type of dollar figure amount of speaker tax.

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Criminal financing- madam speaker, in the report itself, as it's reviewed, the.

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Calculations were undocumented and the myth the method of calculations was.

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Unclear there is already so much doubt with a program that is so wide that has.

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Been never been tested before and not to mention the fact that some of.

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Those figures that was used to justify the fact that these revenues could be.

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Raised were essentially outdated, I'm not sure where they came from. So madam.

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Speaker, this is not really fiscally responsible by any measure.

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Especially when things can go wrong and we know that things can go wrong.

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Especially for stations are already already deemed as unable to support.

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Itself economically, and for that reason, madam speaker, I cannot support the.

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Recommendations before us, thank you. Thank you.

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Counter shiner, madam speaker, I was actually not.

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Planning to speak, but when I hear some of the comments that are in front of us.

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And the parochial nests of those looking at just a tiny little area of the city.

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Not understanding that we are now a big metropolis, we go from the far reaches of.

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Scarborough to the far reaches of a tow vehicle right up to york region down to.

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The lake we're huge and we're looking at an inter connecting transit system that.

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We can put in place quite quickly, so I went over and double-checked with staff.

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I asked the question so we don't want to be in the provincial track, we'd like to.

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Have our own track? What would that cost that would cost ten point? Six billion.

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Dollars to build our own system, it's been reports to us before take off the.

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500 million off the federal grant their assistance, your 10.1 billion, compared to.

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900 million dollars less than a billion here, less than 1/10 of the cost, because.

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All you're building is the stations you don't have to supply the trains. You.

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To run the operation, you don't have to build the tracks ya. Gotta build some.

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Stations that your residents want to get on to you can't afford the luxury system.

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Of 10.1 billion dollars, neither can you afford the subway systems that it would.

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Cost which we've probably three to four times the cost, to get these underground.

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Here you can criticize the fact that we may not get the 900 million in revenue.

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From certain places, and it may cause some tax dollars but come on now tell me.

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An alternative solution, my colleague councillor cole, was very clear. You have.

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To look at transit in every single corner across the city, because the.

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Residents here are frustrated on a daily basis with the amount of traffic. That's.

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Here and that traffic isn't just from people that live in toronto, that's into.

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Regional, so if the trains are into regional they'll, assist in that as well.

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People coming in to work and people going out to work, so I don't know why.

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People are sitting here all day, long trying to make up arguments that.

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Probably haven't even looked at the depth of this to say we got a deal over.

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Here we got a darn good deal, one tenth of the costs or less to be able to get.

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The residents across the city of toronto on to a transit system, in short order.

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That goes, 20 kilometers long, 20, kilometers of system for less than a.

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Billion dollars, if you have an alternative, if you have an alternative.

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Tell me what it is because I'm listening, because I don't think it's the greatest.

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System to have to share, but I'm prepared to share with our provincial cousins.

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Because it's the same taxpayer, if it's paid for by the province by metrolinx,.

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Its toronto residents ontario residents, it's the same people. So if you don't.

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Have an alternative: if you can't tell me a better way, then why would you vote.

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Against a reasonable program, that's in front of us that will move.

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From end to end of the city in a very short order, at a cost of only paying for.

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The stations, so I don't know how you could vote against that because I'll be.

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Voting for it thank you, counts there digiorgio to speak. Thank.

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You, madam speaker, first of all, let me begin by echoing.

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Some of the comments of the previous speaker simply because I think he.

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Articulated very well that we are, and many people before him have said that.

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When you look at an option of using existing infrastructure, there is no.

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Better less expensive way of introducing infrastructure incremental.

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Infrastructure than to use existing infrastructure and intensify existing.

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Infrastructure number one number two, I hear people say: oh boy were paying for.

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Provincial stuff and whatnot all the rial, through property tax.

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Well, property tax is a provincial tax. Don't ever make the mistake that.

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Property tax is anything but a provincial tax. Provincial government.

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Controls assessment of properties, they control the flow of our property taxes.

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And we try to limit property tax increases to inflation every year and.

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Because we do that, we now get into the financing of these infrastructure.

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Projects that are deemed to be good deemed to be excellent uses of existing.

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Infrastructure and we look at the financing or the property tax system can.

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Only finance a certain amount of it. Why? Because we limited increases to about.

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Two percent a year we have the city building fund, where we put aside an.

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Additional half a percent for about five years and create a reserve that we can.

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Tap into and then we have development charges, development charges that at the.

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End of the new regime, the word we've introduced: new development charges, we're.

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Gonna have five hundred million a year being generated, but that's not to say.

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That we can use five hundred million now, because we're only generating about two.

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Hundred and fifty million now through develop development charges and we can't.

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Use it all for this particular project, so then we get the courts.

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All tax increment financing and that's something that has not worked well in.

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The past simply because, simply because people want the infrastructure today and.

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They say: well, you know what, if you build the infrastructure, the development will come, nobody wants to wait on putting in the infrastructure and letting the.

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Development occur first, let's let the development all along the smart track.

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Line don't put the station's in today. Let's wait till the developments go in.

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There and then we'll put in the station's ten years from now at a much.

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Higher cost, but that's something that we shouldn't be considering. The reality is.

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A tax increment financing, the way it really works is you have to understand.

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How term life insurance works as a 20 year old? If you buy term life insurance.

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And you continue to buy term life insurance until you're age 65 the same.

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Insurance at age, 65 cost you a lot more and tax increment financing generates.

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Only a little bit of tax revenues in the early years, but 20 and 30 years down the.

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Road, it generates a hell of a lot more for the city, and so what the financing.

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Scheme that's put in place says: let's use some of our reserve because we only.

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Get small amounts of money coming through this tax, increment financing.

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Program so let's sort of subsidize that in the short term, through this, a bit of.

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The city building fund and development charges, but we will reach a crossover.

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Point where the tax increment financing will be more than enough to carry its.

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Fair share and that's really where the good positive aspects come of taxing.

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From finance, you don't see it until 20 years down the road and it's unfortunate.

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But that's the reality. Thank you counts there palácio to speak.

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Thank you, madam speaker. I do support the recommendations within.

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This report, this report, reinforces the city, meant release a commitment to.

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Develop a joining framework for transit, oriented initiatives, and this is.

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Something that we've been working for the last few years and that's good news.

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For what everyone, the six new transit stations, it's good news for toronto- is.

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Good news for transit users: it's good news for current economic development.

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And growth is good news for employment. My friends, especially when we're dealing.

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Along the corridors, the newest stations will provide a much faster service in.

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Terms of frequency of vehicles during rush hours, that's going to be a huge.

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Plus in terms of the electrification and electrify and the rail system, that's.

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Going to be huge, our communities are being asking for that for the longest.

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Time in terms of the transit fee integration, this is something that we.

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Should be very proud of because that's exactly what people are saying with not.

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Only within siriano that within the region, madam speaker, a members of.

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Council within the report, there are two parts very important parts that it has.

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To do and it pertains to the west end of all serial trono.

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Mainly to war 17 and war, 11, that's adjacent to my world first, just to.

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Remind you my end about what happened six years ago. It was in 2012 that when.

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City council tries an environmental assessment that I asked, and that was.

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Simply to decongest an area, that's the most congested and they in the west part.

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Of the city and that's within san claire or western road in kilo street north and.

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South, a quadrant, that's a nightmare in terms of traffic, and that was as a.

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Result of prototype that was supposed to be built.

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And that's the san claire exclusive right away that created the real.

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Bottleneck in the part of town confirming havoc he mentioned, he spoke.

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About it, how beautiful would be from sang claire to travel to the west and.

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Either in whatever mode of transportation, either walking cycling or.

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Taking transit or whatever, but the problem was that transit project didn't.

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Lead to nowhere, he went to point a to point b from yonge street to gran's road.

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Period and all along what this great community in the west, our communities.

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What a being asking for is, what we need is a connecting point and that's a.

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Transit station and that's where the this month transit station that we have.

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On sand clay and a non western road makes so much sense, because that's connecting point to the north, to the south, to the east, to the.

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West, that's exactly what this community needed in terms of creating not only.

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Economic development opportunities, employment and growth: this is good.

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Overall, the other part that I would like to talk to is we regard staten to the.

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Metro links and they want transit. There is my truck. There has been a tremendous.

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Amount of support from metro links from syria, toronto from the ministry of.

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Transportation and from the ttc in terms of working collectively to end up has.

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Been done by having a good business case analysis by establishing principles of.

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Cost sharing and developing also on station design concept through public.

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Consultation, so we are advancing now to the transit project assessment process.

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Municipality known as the tip app, so, although that's great news, so we have we.

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Are doing and we're using the lessons to be learned from.

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Mistakes that we did with some of the projects in the past, we are using that.

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To advance forward in a more comprehensible way, so overall, this is.

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Good for zero tonal good for public transit.

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It's about mobility choices for all users is about getting all levels of.

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Government to work together to make wise investments that will benefit everyone.

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It's about putting an end to the kids of underinvestment, inaction, indecision,.

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Political inertia and interference, so it's good news and also counts there.

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Fletcher to speak. Thank you speaker. First of all, I just will say when I was.

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First elected, I had a whole number of constituents come and say why can't we.

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Get on that go train at girard and carla, where there's a liquor store the.

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Province owns land across the street, the city had a park. There's vacant lots.

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Everywhere and they were just frustrated, they would see the train go by every day.

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And they could never get on the train, so this is a big step forward. It's.

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Something that people in communities have wanted for a long time and then.

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Councillor lee reminded me an executive that he and I brought forward emotion.

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For something called I metro ii back in what year was it 2009, perhaps 2000 and.

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2012, which was an idea from a markham councillor to use the rail line, so this.

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Isn't just walked on or out of the blue. This is a longtime, thoughtful process.

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That we have a rail line that runs from the 905 right through the center of our.

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City goes to union station and there's a lot of people that can't get on that.

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Train so I'm very happy today actually councillor lee and myself, because this.

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Is something that we said? Why shouldn't we look at that? That was six years ago.

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And here we are today looking at the station's, so there is a roll issue.

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As well with these stations, and two of them have been noted to be not revenue.

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Neutral but big revenue generators, one of them being east harbor and the other.

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Being liberty, village, but there are opportunities for development, as we know,.

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In east harbor, a 68 acre parcel that is devoted to jobs and the economy at.

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Sitting just north of the portland's and then of course, there's the portland's.

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With a 25 acre housing development on the 75 acre part, all of these networks.

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Of transit are growing and linking together.

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Broadview streetcar will be extended all the way down to the portland's you'll, be.

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Able to get off and get on the smart track, get on the goal line and.

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Eventually, someday when the province funds that you will be able to get on.

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The relief line at eglinton and go all the way to union station, so this is this.

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Is a big decision we're actually deciding to build something and actually start do I wish we owned it? Yes, do I wish we operated.

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Yes, but we don't, it is on their tracks with their trains and we are putting.

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Stations so our citizens, our residents, can get on those trains, and I urge you.

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To vote for councillor davis's motion, she has said for doing this already.

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Doesn't it make sense for people to be able to get from main station across to.

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The go train! Well, yes, it does so we're thinking about how to move our residents.

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Around in a way that puts them on transit and makes it very easy for them.

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The gerard karloff station is one where we're already looking now at what a.

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Development scenario would be there: this council approved a study that would say.

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There's two large plazas: it's a very large area, probably a 25-30 acre area to.

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Say what will development look like here? Let's discuss with the community because.

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It will be intensified with that transit station there. There is something that I.

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Do want to draw to your attention. I was at metrolinx. Has a community liaison committee that people sit on across the.

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Entire tracks- and I don't know about other parts of the city, but once those.

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Trains are in the more urban areas there they're already pretty noisy. If you live.

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In the east end, the train goes by you stop talking, and then you start talking.

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Again, that's how we live in the east end profit of the city, and there is a whole.

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Discussion underway with metrolinx about what kind of sound and vibration.

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Mitigation, they will be introducing along the track and I will be coming to.

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This council, to ask for your support to have full full mitigation and sound a.

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Sound mitigation and vibration mitigation for everyone who lives along.

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Those tracks, because some of those trains will be going by every three to.

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Five minutes, my friends, that's an awful lot I'll take my last seconds to just.

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Thank all of the staff, and particularly mr. petula and his team. They aren't just.

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Dealing with smart track, they're also dealing with the relief line with.

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Hundreds of people out of meetings looking at property with the assistance.

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Of our real estate division, so this is a very intense time for transit and I will.

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Be supporting this report. Thank you, councillor, fletcher. Next, on the speakers.

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List counselor nan zyada. Thank you very much. Mr. speaker.

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I just wanted to make a few comments. First of all, I support the.

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Recommendations from executive committee- and I did I just had to make a few.

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Comments that it seems to me, we continue to debate transit for how many years.

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That we've debated transit in this council chambers, like forever.

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Forever, since amalgamation prior to amalgamation, we're always debating.

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Transit and it's always the same same debate over and over again and nothing.

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Ever gets built I recall years ago, and I'm going to go.

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Back to 1995, when the province cancelled, the eglinton subway, which went through.

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My ward, and instead they gave mal aspen the scar.

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For subway, which which they I did there was a there- was an additional levy that.

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Wasn't that was that was put onto your taxes to build this garvie now, in my.

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Area in york, when that subway was cancelled, we had all these development.

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Applications along a clinton and black creek development applications that were.

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Ready to go to proceed with one set sub, we got cancelled, everything got.

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Cancelled all the development applications nothing it has taken over.

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20 years since we have now the goal, the up express the smart track, then suddenly.

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There's interest from developers to come in and redevelop the area and we need to.

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Do that so these stops and the smell and the smart track stations which will have.

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A huge impact in in mount dennis, as well as weston and kill. We need development.

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In these areas and councilman havoc, you remember what happened when we were york.

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Nothing yeah, so we need to move along like we need to think of the suburbs, not.

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Just all downtown everything's downtown, please we need to.

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Proceed with building transit and to revitalize and redevelop some of these.

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Parts of the city- that's in desperate need of redevelopment, so please support.

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The recommendations that we have before sand and calculate was absolutely.

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Correct I've heard the deputations at executive.

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Committee from some of his residents- and they were full support of it. That's the.

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Smart track, so I'm just urging members to support the recommendations that we.

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Have before us do not delay and keep delaying transit, let's move on and build.

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Good transit. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor annunziata. Next, on the.

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Speakers list is councillor care, giannis, councillor care, janice and he's our last.

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Speaker on the list before perhaps her mayor.

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Mr. deputy speaker, allow me to come through through this process, to congratulating you known how to do things, and I know you're learning, but.

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Certainly want to thank you for opening my my congratulations are in order again.

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And I know you're in good hands with our speaker and she will give you some good.

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Guidance and some good and some good quality times in how to deal with us.

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When you're up on the on the speaker's chair.

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Mr. speaker, madam speaker, you know we're talking about smart track and when.

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He first came out, I had my, I had my doubts and then as we moved along and we.

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Talked about the different stations and they were saying that there's no parking.

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At those stations, I certainly screamed at it, and I said that we need parking.

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But you know what you can take the idea of a smart track station and certainly.

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Turn it around, and I have to tell you I want to thank mara tory for his support.

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In advance of what we're going to be doing, I have three stations in my area. I.

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Have a 2-quart I will be having finch, which be a smart track station frenchy.

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Kennedy and I certainly have milliken at steele's and kennedy.

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Madam speaker, it stills in kennedy. We certainly have moved forward and we have.

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Allowed mixed use to take place, and that makes you sui will have more.

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Intensification more people living there, there will be people also that we.

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Looking in order to put business there put roots, we will also be looking at.

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Having some towers that would be providing services to do businesses, but.

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One of the areas that I'm really bullish about and and I'm looking forward to.

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Working with city staff and working with planning staff, as well as developers and.

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As long as the landlord's is the area at kennedy and finch for those of you that.

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Had the opportunity to travel finch east between mike kennedy and midland.

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You will see an area that has a couple of strip malls that are dying. You will.

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See an area that has public storage you'll see an area that certainly needs.

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Revamping and it's in that area in that area around that ghost I mean the the.

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New smart track stations. The thing will happen. It's in that area that we have.

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Opportunity to have mixed uses in that area that we have the opportunity to.

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Attract more businesses, it's in that area that today, when I was speaking to.

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The folks at homelessness and bringing that and providing housing for our.

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People that have less fortune that we actually talked about to do something.

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There and to create an opportunity for us to be able to to house people and to.

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Give them a hand up, and it's in that area that we need. We have an opportunity.

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To build and for that, madam speaker, as we move on with the with the new smart.

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Crack stations, I invite my colleagues not just to look at the cost, not to look.

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At oh sorry, can't sir, I'm not put your time on hold. If I can, please ask members.

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Of council on the public, please and staff to please try to keep it down. It's.

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Very noisy you listen to what I'm saying about finch yeah, sorry, I'm! I was just.

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Okay, please finch is a little bit east of you. Carl okay castle continue on.

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Finch, where you are, and if you go, you, okay, you can continue. Thank you, madam.

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Speaker, madam speaker, I want I want to thank the the chief planner for certainly blending in ear, because this will be coming in.

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His area pretty soon, madam speaker, it's not that we're just going to build.

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A smart track station or another gold station, it's the opportunity that we have to build around. It is the opportunity that.

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Bill 139, the new legislative building the province of ontario, gives us in.

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Order to around that station to intensify to build more housing to build.

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More high-rises to build more businesses, and it's that where we got to look at.

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We've got to look through the prism of not I'm just gonna get a a gold station.

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That will bring a couple of my constituents downtown. I'm gonna get a.

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Ghost station, and what can I do around it? Can I make it a destination? Can I.

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Make it a destination where people will go to? Can I make it a destination that.

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People that are in metrolinx call transit line can go there. That's what.

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I'm looking forward to do, I invite my other colleagues that will be getting a.

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Go smart track station or have a go station to look through the prism of.

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What do I do in order to make this area better? What can I do in order to provide.

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Developing what can I do in order to provide housing and through that? Madam.

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Speaker, we can only move forward and build a better toronto, and for that I.

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Want to thank the mayor for his support in advance. I want to sort of flag this.

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Development coming around the corner fast and furious to the chief planner.

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And I'm sure that moving forward this would be a rising example of how we can.

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Make this city work better. I think this will be probably the second largest.

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Developing area in the city of toronto and the well, the third one after.

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Agincourt, mom that my good colleague hasn't, but I'll probably beat him in.

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Importing shovels in the ground. Thank you, madam speaker. Thank you, okay, so that.

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Was to last speaker and mayor tory. Thank you, madam speaker, and I want to thank.

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The staff and thank all the members of council for for their contributions to.

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The debate you know it was interesting to me to listen to people making.

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Reference in the debate, our colleagues about past discussions, many debates over.

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Many years where we talked about, why shouldn't we take a look at that or I.

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Heard a reference to proposals we've made over the years to the province. I.

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Distinguish those respectfully by saying we are sitting here today talking about.

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Something that is becoming very real. This is the stage at which we are moving.

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Forward to actually start to build a transit stations inside the city of.

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Toronto- and I just would say for effectively to my colleagues as we.

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Proceed: this is not any reason to take anything that second best, but at the.

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Same time, we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good or to use another.

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Expression that sometimes, is the same. Let's maybe look at taking a diamond if.

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It has a slight flaw, as opposed to a pebble that has none, because in the end.

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Of the day, the fact is that we need transit and there is never. I would.

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Challenge: anybody to name me a major infrastructure, project, transit or.

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Otherwise that started off as a concept during an election campaign and didn't.

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End up being quite different by the time it was actually open. There isn't one. I.

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Mean anything that goes for concept, whether it was starts with a concept.

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Whether it started in an election campaign or not, is going to go through an evolution and change, and- and I I I have as calculatin said been quite.

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Willing to see the need to make changes to this thing as we've gone through as.

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Facts and other kinds of things were presented to me, but the bottom line is.

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And I want to just correct two sets of what I'll call alleged tracks, because.

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They are alleged and they were put forward by members of council in the debate and I just want to clarify them number one. The the the direct comparison.

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Made by councilor matt lowe between a six station project and a 22 station.

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Project- and he knows- and everybody else here knows- that the original smart track.

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Always included eight existing stations inside the city of toronto, so, if you.

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Want to make at least a fair comparison, it's 14 to 22, and in that case, even that.

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Isn't the whole story? Because, depending on what this council decides, we do with.

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The eglinton west lrt the 14 number- will also rise because there were stations to.

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The west on the smart track, part where I did change my mind and say that we.

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Couldn't tunnel that will be added to the 14 total so but let's be fair, that's.

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All it's not 6 vs 22, it's 14 verses, 20 to adjust to be fair. The second is.

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Counts: the wrong times a suggestion that this is entirely an investment in the.

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Provincial transportation system, let me simply read from the report prepared by.

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Our own professional public service, on page 3 of I think it's attachment number.

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1 the smart track stations program is the incremental infrastructure, the city.

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Is nominating and funding above and beyond the provinces planned investments.

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In the regional express rail program and can be divined strictly as six stations.

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Etc, these are stations and when people oppose the question, including councilor,.

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Long tab through you, madam speaker, about well sort of: why aren't we be.

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Treat being treated the same as other municipalities, the other municipalities.

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Are not proposing to build stations that the province would not otherwise have.

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Built to suit their own local needs. This whole thing is about not moving people.

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From nine, oh five through four one, six, it is about moving people inside four.

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One six two and from where they're going on heavy rail and so of course that.

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They're not weren't, they were not tight. If you go back and look at the original.

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Concept of urban regional express rail, they weren't building these stations.

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We're paying for them! Because we want to build them, because we want to make.

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Available a an option for people to use this, and I totally agree with whoever.

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Said this is not the relief line. I think that was also councillor wong-tam. It's.

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Not, but will it provide some degree of relief in the shorter term than the.

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Relief line will be finished, which, thank goodness, were underway with. Yes, it will.

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And that's why I'm so anxious, among other reasons, to see it receded with and.

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I guess I'll just say very quickly on a couple of other things: bottom line, the.

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Stations wouldn't be built if we weren't asking for them to be included on top of.

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Regional express rail number, two, the the the wisdom of the investment, which was.

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Raised by somebody 1.5 billion, this is actually the cheapest transit that we're.

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Ever going to get inside the city of toronto for 1.5 billion or 1.2 plus of.

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Whatever increments we put on top of it, we are going to get 33 million riders.

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Going on smart track each and every year, according to our own staffs report on.

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The tif, which has been mentioned a few times I'll point out again that our.

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Staff have said the number they've included that comes from tif is very.

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Conservative, to use their words very conservative and the allocation from.

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Within that very conservative, total estimate of what is is being applied to.

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This project is 15 percent of it, so that it's a very conservative estimate coming.

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I will say based on a view that I have that a lot of other people having these.

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Experts obviously do that this city is going to continue to grow a hands up. I.

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Mean all those who think the city is not going to continue to grow based on any.

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Indication anybody has had so far, and so I.

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Just say that if you add to that, then the fact that up until now on fair.

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Integration, what happened before this term in office on any previous council.

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Zero when it comes to new transit that was funded in this city from any other.

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Council before this one, how much was funded new transit going.

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Forward zero, how many new stations transit stations were funded in the city.

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Of toronto, up until the time of this council, with the exception of the.

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Scarborough blur or subway extension with some people disputing here, the.

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Answer is zero. How much funding and work had been done on the relief line? Much.

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Talked about for decades in here before this term of council, the answer is zero.

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We are finally making progress on these things, and smart track is a big part of.

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It it is going to use the ngo tracks, it is going to build new stations, it is.

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Going to move 33 million people a year and we've made huge progress on it being.

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Done for the price of a ttc fare and achieving fair integration, and that is.

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Why I think this report should be voted on I'll, say one last thing and I thank.

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You for the indulgence of one minute, madam speaker, and that is that councillor davis is having a good day because she's batting 500. I would.

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Support her first motion to do with main street, but not the second one, but that's.

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One out of two that's batting 500 and I think that's excellent. Thank you. Madam.

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Speaker, thank you, okay. So our first motion, we'll.

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Put it on the screen is by motion by constant crawford motion to way.

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Councillor fletcher, please.

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Councilor prison. Please.

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Yeah, how come the motion carries.

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41 to one that is not what you see on the votes above you, because the chair.

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Was not changed before the vote was taken. Cancer nunziata vote was yes and.

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It will show in the minutes well because we switched okay, counts, counselor motion.

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To be by councillor, crawford recorded vote.

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Councillor kelly, please.

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Motion to be carries 34 to 9 motion 3b by councillor davis recorded vote.

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All three be is redundant. Sorry, okay, so motion one by councillor, ma'am led.

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Councillor chris andy, please just vote against it. Councillor davis, if you want.

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Councillor crisanta your vote. Please.

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Motion number one does not carry the.

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Vote is three to forty.

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Motion counter pasternak yeah, I do apologize. I was.

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Distracted by my good friends over here speaker I'll, move to reopen it. I heard.

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Him actually say how did they get three votes? Okay motion so motion councillor.

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Shiners moving to reopen on favorite carried, so let's do it again.

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Motion one by councillor mammal edie.

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Yeah cancer, my havoc, please, okay, we're.

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Voting on the motion again, the.

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Motion does not carry. The vote is to 241. Oh.

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Okay, counselor counselor de beer makers moving to reopen- and this is the last.

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Time on favor, no, I okay.

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We're voting on the motion again.

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Counselor want an please thank you.

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Emotion does not carry the vote. Is 1 2 42? No, that's it.

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Motion 3, a by councillor davis, recorded vote.

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Kancil bella please get up counselor, mackovic and counselor course, aunty.

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Please the motion carries forty two three.

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Okay, yes, counselor campbell.

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Counselor campbell is asking that recommendation.

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To be voted separately, so we vote on recommendation to first recorded vote.

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Okay, we recorded vote we're voting on recommendation to.

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Councillor davis, councillor perutz, oh please.

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Casa khorsandi, please.

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Recommendation, sorry: what are we sorry recommendation to carries 30 fuck.

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5 to 8, okay, the rest of the report item as a man did recorded vote.

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Yes, the balance as amended.

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Redundant yeah, it's redundant, telstra karajan.

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Sweet I said that when we were bodi counts from care chance, we've closed.

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Evoque, how did you vote sir councillor thompson.

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Unfortunately, we closed the vote. Can you tell us how you vote? Thank you.

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Councillor mackovic, we closed the vote early. Can you tell us your vote verbally.

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Please and lastly, councillor holland: how do you vote we've closed? We closed about.

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Early, so how do you vote? Okay? Okay, the balance of the item carries 37 to.

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Six: okay, okay! So now we'll go to the next mayor's.

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Key item, which is on page four e^x 33.2 expanded gaming at woodbine, racetrack.

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Questions sista councillor robinson. Thank you, madam speaker. I just wanted to.

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Ask staff about the requests that were made up to the executive committee.

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Doesn't seem like very long ago about childcare if staff could quickly breeze.

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Through the supplementary report, but if you could just expand on the outcome of.

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That discussion, switching all done. Do we have staff here.

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Down to here, I'll rita I've reset your time. Thank you will be necessary, though,.

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Who is here to answer the question? Ok, councillor robinson, can you just ask.

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It again, please, ok, absolutely as a result of executive committee, there was.

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Motions placed about childcare as part of this whole entire operation and.

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Entity I just wanted to know the results of the discussions and we do have a.

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Supplementary report, but I just wanted to hear from from you directly through.

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The speaker we did consult and with the service provider who said that they were.

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Now, in a position to provide daycare at this time, so the end result is they will.

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Not provide daycare as part of the conditions.

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Now that is part of this phase, so the.

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Service provider, because it wasn't part of the we forget, the rfp that have been.

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Put out by olg right, you're not prepared at this point in time to provide daycare.

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But there are gonna, be developments on the rest of the properties and there.

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Make the opportunities at that point, and so therefore, would there be wood, wood.

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Residents and taxpayers be on the hook for providing daycare in that area.

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Because it was identified as an area that would require daycare because of.

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The casino workers, so through the speaker, my understanding, is when those.

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Lands get develops and planning can confirm. There would be an opportunity to.

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Negotiate certain benefits of which daycare could be okay, so that would be.

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Funded then, what you're saying to me is that would be funded by possibly section.

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37 or other, if not 42, but sections thanks 7 that come out of development.

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Applications through the speaker, that's correct,.

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The second phase of development to the west on the west side of the property is.

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An area identified for future residential and other kinds of.

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Development, it needs to be read and at that time council can consider.

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Through that process, the appropriate range of uses and services that would be.

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For that, for that community at that time, and that could include daycare and be secured to a section 37 agreement, so section 37 is what's a potential outcome.

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So that's a potential outcome as they would be seeking an increase in height.

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And density from the lands, current zoning, okay, so to the acting city.

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Manager there for the taxpayers residents would not be funding a daycare.

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Or subsidies for a casino for the construction of the casino, that's.

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Correct they would not be funding. Tax payers would not be funding or providing.

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A service childcare service for work for staff or workers of a casino. So I just.

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Want to clarify if you're speaking operating costs or the construction.

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Costs I want to use what are you referencing, the chyme? I don't seen the.

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Capital, I'm referencing the capital cost of building a daycare right both a.

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Capital end and running it both so the whole enchilada is what I'm asking about.

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So I thought I can take that. Thank you. The the capital cost is were heard. Would.

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Be funded through section, 37 and all likelihood with respect to operating.

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Costs we wouldn't build a childcare center specific to one group of employees. It would be a community based childcare.

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Center, the extent to which employees would be eligible for childcare fee.

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Subsidies which are cost shared by the province would be based on the.

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Regulatory income test, but hasn't it been identified, certainly by a number of.

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These speakers at executive committee that the some of the employees of this.

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Operation, a number of them would require daycare, and so why would that not be.

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Funded by the casino versus taxpayers, that's my question: well, all employees in.

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The city of toronto with children, many of them do require childcare fee.

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Subsidies, we don't employ, we don't fund the childcare specifically because of.

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The nature of the employment, an individual is a.

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For fee subsidy based on their income through a regulated income task from the.

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Province, it's got not what they are doing for a living. The key eligibility.

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Requirement is that they are either implied attending school or have a.

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Special need, so what you're saying is that capital, the capital costs, could be.

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Funded by through section 37, but the operating costs and potential subsidies.

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Would be that would be billed to the taxpayer that these subsidies are cost.

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Shared by the taxpayer, provincial and municipal, there are also parent fees.

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That contribute to offset the cost of childcare, so the structure of a.

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Community-Based childcare in this area of the city financially wouldn't be no.

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Different than it is in any other area of the city, but you're not answering my.

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Question my question is: would residents be paying tax tax dollars go towards us.

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If an individual is eligible and receives a fee subsidy, yes, tax dollars,.

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Go to where they thank you. Thank you. Councillor, purse questions. Thank you.

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Speaker, I suppose my questions will go to the city solicitor. There's been a.

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Number of discussions going around about some tricky legal waters we may be in. I.

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Just want to make sure that I understand with some precision what the legal.

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Legalities are here first, let's begin with the community benefits agreement. If.

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Council reviewing the document- that's in front of us now determines that in some.

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Area the proposal doesn't live up to the original white list of 21 requirements.

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We can tweak or improve or impose something to make sure it actually does.

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Deliver on that and that's fine and good, and legal and okay. So when, when council.

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Passed its conditional resolution in 2015, it also endorsed a process for.

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Assessing whether the conditions had been met, that process contemplated a.

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Report back from staff, after selection of the service provider and negotiation.

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With the service provider, you have that report before you at this time.

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And it includes staff assessment that the conditions set out in the story, the.

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The term sheet for the community benefits agreement is includes steps.

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That would meet the conditions. That being said, this is council's opportunity.

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To decide whether that is counsels view, you have staffs advice, but it is caution.

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Counsel, though, that this is not a time to add new conditions right, so so in.

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Terms of when the province of ontario asked us do we want a casino, and we said.

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Yes, but under these conditions we can't go in and just add brand-new conditions.

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Tied to that legal instrument at this time, but rather if there are things we.

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Feel in your advice, don't meet what we were after in the.

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List of original 21 conditions we can tweak them to make sure they do meet.

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What we, as the elected body, feel, is the public interest on how to meet those 21.

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Conditions, that's fair and good in the correct process right, I would add only.

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That you, you do have advice from staff or today that the conditions are met by.

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The proposal before council today, if there is a suggestion that one of the.

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Terms in the term sheet should be modified. I would strongly recommend that.

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The councillor wishing to move that consult with staff very good.

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Additionally, we're being asked to consider a planning matter here and in.

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As we would normally when we're considering a planning matter, we can.

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Consider whether the planning matter is in the public interest, in fact,.

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Specifically, section 51 25 of the planning act says that the we can enter.

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Into an agreement, one or more agreements that may consider the provision of.

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Municipal and other services, so if we feel on a planning basis that having.

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This large body here creates a something where we feel there's a necessary.

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Planning thing is, you know, we will often add a requirement for a public road or a.

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Daycare or some other amenity that we feel is in the public entry.

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We can do that and if the opponent, if the proponent doesn't like it their.

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Relief is not to take us to court and sue us, but rather to go the ontario.

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Municipal board, right, that's so my question is: if they don't like what we.

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Have done here, their relief isn't to say: they've spent a bunch of money and they.

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Object, rather, their relief would be to go to the ontario municipal board and.

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Say that our planning rationale was insufficient and we would fight that out.

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There, that's a that's, a fairly complicated question. That's why I asked.

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Yes, I understand, because I don't have the specific motion to assess so it's.

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Conceivable that there would be an argument that whatever council proposed.

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Would be in an added condition right, but it's also conceivable that it would be a.

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Proper condition a term of a subdivision agreement which would could be.

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Challenged at the municipal board the road again, we would have to give advice.

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If I could just quickly, because I've only got 30 seconds left, if let's say.

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The proponent here felt that we did something on the planning side that they.

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Didn't want to do and they said well we're gonna sue the heck out of the city for all the money we've spent. So far. I have defence. The city could say as well.

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No actually, the proponent has an opportunity for relief here, which is to.

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Go to the ontario municipal board and argue that what the city council's asked.

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For is not good planning that would be available to us. No, no as a defense. If.

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They attempt to sue us that would be available to us. That was your last.

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Question answering that that question without seeing the proposal, because I.

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Would I wouldn't get there, maybe yes thank you.

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Councillor dissent, thank you, madam speaker. That's a topic of community council. We heard about conditions 1 to 12 in the.

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Supplementary report, which came to community council.

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It indicated that condition one had then been satisfied. His who planning's.

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Opinion could you please explain to us what data pit, what that condition was.

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And what lock, nine and ten actually mean as built form? Thank you through. You may.

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Know speaker yes, so in the initial staff report, staff were of the opinion that.

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Condition one had been partially met because the property owner would buy an.

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Entertainment group had said that they would be developing block nine, but we.

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Had no assurances about what block nine would be and when it would come forward.

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So the supplemental report addressed the submission by woodbine entertainment.

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Group, I believe, is dated march twenty seventh where and they consented and.

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Said that they would be building three buildings on the other side of queens.

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Play drive as a first phase and that that would attach itself to the public.

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Road and create what we felt was an appropriate level of synergy so that it.

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Addressed councils requirement for a development that went just beyond the.

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Casino building but those extra buildings, what were they were? They.

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Retail, were they? What were they? They weren't connected to the casino building.

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Whether they were extra, that's correct, yes, it's a cross queens plate, drive from.

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The front door of the casino they're intended to be retail and service.

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Buildings that wrap the relocated, walking ring, which was also part of the.

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Agreement that would bind put on the table for that, so the idea was that it.

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Created a framing of the main entrance into the casino, an entertainment venue.

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As well as created a framing around the walking ring, which is a very ceremonial.

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Function for the racetrack itself, so we were of the opinion that had tied the.

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Functionality of the racetrack in the adjacent uses to the racetrack to the.

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Casino and the entertainment venue, which is what councils condition, will ask for.

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And this is in the north east corner of the property, almost as you come in the.

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Main road, the main entrance off the main road- yes, I guess it's more towards the.

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Center of the property than it is towards the northeast corner. Yes, so if.

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We were going to be asking for a daycare, and it's not just going to be there for.

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The employees of the of the people working on the site would.

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It not make most sense to put it into the first phase of block 9 or 10.

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Probably block 9, where it's fairly near to the entrance, so people coming in from.

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The community to use the daycare don't have to go through the whole rigmarole.

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Of all the streets to actually drop their children off, I don't know that you.

K

Could say it that black-and-white councillor? Because we don't know what the rest of the land uses that are going to emerge around the the blocks? 9 and 10.

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Will be, there are a number of scenarios that pop immediately to mind that.

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Actually may be better locations for daycares, so it's very difficult to say.

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In the absence of that, um the other thing we heard at community counts or.

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Was residents were wanting to know when the single-family home development was.

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Going to be built and when the sports facilities were being built, which the.

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Community can use, do we have any idea? Is it five years out ten years out, 25 years.

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Out- and is this something in any of these documents, which says they must be.

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Built rather than okay, we can do blocks 9 and 10. Get your gambling house and.

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Then we don't have to do anything else. First, part of the question is no. We have.

K

Heard nothing from woodbine entertainment group of what their future plans are beyond block 9 and the second part I we were. We have no information.

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About that, so there's nothing in our document saying there isn't that there.

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Is nothing that requires anything further than the block 9 of block 10 at.

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This point in time as phase 1, that's correct: okay,.

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Also, just a minor, quick question which I I know some of us councils and I know.

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The speaker always does: is there somewhere in this agreement, that during.

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Construction, you have to use hammerhead students to help construct this. That's.

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Not a planning question that would be. Do I ask that one too, I'm not sure city.

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Manager- or someone or chris may be so, is there somewhere in this agreement that.

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Hammerhead students must be used during this construction and it's a great.

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Opportunity for this community to be involved with training and getting.

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Giving kids us a step up in their lives? There is a requirement in the term sheet.

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For some 10% social hiring on construction.

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We don't name specific programs that would be utilized to access the.

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Participants would it be advisable to make programs or we just don't name.

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Programs there may be any number of programs and certainly hammer heads.

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Could be one of them, but you would be looking at that at that point in time to.

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See what community groups there are? Who would benefit from getting job.

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Opportunities correct: we would be working with construction connections.

T

Which is a process? That's been established in relation to the metrolinx.

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Agreement? Okay, that was your last question. Thank you, council 110. Thank you.

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Very much matthew, sneaker, a 3-2 staff there's a body of academic literature.

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That says that a casino can have a negative impact on the local community.

G

By reducing spending and non casino related businesses was this analysis.

G

Included in the in the report councilor, we did look at how much would be net.

T

Impact on versus a total spending, the inverse of that is the amount of.

T

Activity that would be with withdrawn, if you will, from the rest of the regional.

T

Economy, what we can't do is pin down how much would be from the city versus the.

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Rest of the gta and how much would be from future growth versus existing.

T

Businesses but yet, although you couldn't do this, where there is some academic.

G

Literature that suggests that casinos cost the local economy as much as $3 per.

G

$1 revenue at a casino brings in to the community, or were you aware of this.

G

Information, yes! So when we were looking originally at the casino debates and.

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There was a downtown site, this was a very important element and we put in.

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Conditions at the time, it obviously didn't materialize, so we are very.

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Familiar with this issue, this casino is in a neighborhood area where there are.

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Almost no major competing uses for that type of further for entertainment,.

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Spending, so if you were to put this in any.

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Neighborhood in the toronto region that would minimize that this would be a.

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Location for that, but it would also probably scrub the area of any other.

G

Economic opportunities, if it wasn't casino directly related, I wouldn't agree.

T

With that, okay, but then you, you also say that it would have impact in other.

G

Neighborhoods, it would have already had existing local economies, it will be.

T

Where the the people who come from to the casino, where else they would have.

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Spent the money, and since this draws from the whole region and tourists, the.

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Impact will be spread out over the whole region and it is impossible to specify.

T

Unlike in the downtown location, when we knew would take away from entertainment,.

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Uses and retail and food service uses in the immediate neighborhood today.

T

Convention center, okay, thank you cam. Each reports that one quarter of casino.

G

Revenue usually comes, it comes from directly comes from problem. Gambling was.

G

This information included in the report. My clock is ticking through the chair.

D

That was included in the board of health reports of 2012 and 2015. To my knowledge,.

D

It wasn't included in this report in detail because our role in public health.

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At the time when this report was coming forward was to present options for.

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Mitigation of gamlen giving that decision was to go ahead with the.

D

Expansion- okay, so it was included in the prior report, not quite included in this.

G

Report but those conditions will still remain true. Those numbers were most.

G

Likely not change over the last two or three years. The 24% that's correct would.

D

Be logical to remain constant and, and my my attendance at the committee would.

G

Have would have revealed that that there was a admission from the staff agreement.

G

From staff, I should probably say that that the social impacts around the.

G

Casino in the gambling would not would not be studied until after the the the.

G

Agreement was signed is that correct to my knowledge, there is.

D

A monitoring plan in place and that would occur once the expansion was opens.

D

That would be after correctives, so the the current service, the current service.

G

Levels for people who require addiction, counseling, who required issuance.

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Additional supports: are those current service levels adequate now before the.

G

Opening of a casino or the expansion of the casino, so through the chair, that's.

D

Not something I can comment on, it hasn't been part of the assessment. That's been.

D

Done but generally you you are, you know you engage in the health field is, it is.

G

If someone who requires a supports for counseling for a counseling for a.

G

Gambling, can you just walk up to any clinic and say: there's no lineup, no.

G

Waitlist I get in right away for service, or is there a waitlist you should know.

D

That I would imagine again through the chair, it's not something I can comment.

D

On in that specificity, I can say that mental health services in general are.

D

Difficult to access quickly, there tends to be weightless for many of the.

D

Services of you and the province has stipulated that mental health and.

G

Addictions go hand-in-hand. The chat the chinese family services of ontario has.

G

Submitted some correspondence were they where they suggest that there's been.

G

Targeted marketing against the chinese community for the past ten years by.

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For-Profit gaming organizations and that they themselves have not been able to.

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Keep up with their with the demand for service in this community.

G

Can you speak to this to this matter? Is there is there any truth of what they're.

G

Saying, or are they misrepresenting themselves the thank you that was your.

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Last question so through the chair that chinese family services of ontario have.

D

Provided information to this project in the early reports that public health.

D

Presented to the board 2012 and 15, and that material was included when we.

D

Looked at the published literature in terms of who's at risk, it was not any.

D

Particular cultural group other than the indigenous population at counter krissy.

H

Thank you speaker I'll direct, my questions to toronto, public health. I my.

H

First question for toronto: public health there's been a lot of discussion in the.

H

Context of this casino expansion related to problem gambling to set the context.

H

For my questions, could you just define what is problem gambling sure problem.

D

Gambling is gambling behavior, which is continuous, and it continues over a.

D

Period of loss- and it includes losing control because of preoccupation with.

D

Gambling and money and irrational thinking, so it's something that takes.

D

Place over time and includes a loss of control and associated with problem.

H

Gambling are negative health consequences. Is that why we refer to it.

H

As problem gambling correct, so there are obviously both social and financial.

D

Problems that cause negative impacts on health all right and in the research.

H

Into problem gambling as toronto, public health identified that particular people.

H

Or demographics of people are susceptible to problem gambling so again.

D

Through the chair, the literature shows that men, comma, low-income individuals.

D

Indigenous populations, youth are all at increased risk for problem gambling. Men.

H

Low-Income indigenous populations in youth, correct, alright, and what.

H

Percentage of gamblers, based on the research you've seen that toronto public.

H

Health has looked at what percentage of gamblers are identified as problem.

H

Gamblers, so in the gta it's approximately 11,000 individuals. We see.

D

A prevalence of what is called problem gambling and that's an approximate.

D

Number all right and do we have a sense of a percentage with or let me put it.

H

This way, what percentage of revenue within casino is based on literature and.

H

Research you've seen comes from problem gamblers so that previous number, that.

D

Was quoted, twenty four percent is correct.

H

So one quarter of revenue comes from low income, men, indigenous populations and.

H

Youth who are struggling with the effects of gambling correct the only.

D

Other group I've neglected to mention among those at-risk is older adults all.

H

Right public health perspective are gambling.

H

And casinos healthy, so the health risks that I mentioned earlier are related to.

D

Having strains on social and financial situations within individuals, lives and.

D

Their families so know that the negative health impacts of of those issues make.

D

It unhealthy, so casinos are not healthy and cannot be. Is that right? I would say.

D

That individuals who are participating in gambling are at risk for those.

D

Negative health impacts of social and financial 11 problems. All right no are.

H

There increased risks for health risks associated with 24 hours of our 24 hour.

H

Operations for casinos or gambling facilities, so I wouldn't say they're.

D

Increased risk, but we were asked to put together a list of mitigation measures.

D

If gambling was an activity that was was continuing and in this case expansion so.

D

The list of mitigation measures that we provided included not being open, 24.

D

Hours, so it's not our list as in toronto. Public health is a list of what the.

D

Published literature shows has an effect on the behavior of the individuals in.

D

Gambling casinos, so we recommended 18 hour open so just to build on that when.

H

Toronto, public health and the board of health is well reviewed, possible casino.

H

Expansion in this city in 2012 and in 2015 there was a recommendation to not.

H

Exceed 18 hours is that correct? To my knowledge, it was in 2015 when were asked.

D

For mitigation measures to not exceed 20 but to not be open, 24 hours, but to be.

D

Open 18, all right so in 2015, when the board of health considered this the.

H

Recommendation was to not exceed 18 hours. Has that recommendation being met.

H

In the agreement in front of us, it was not part of the agreement so to be clear.

D

We were asked to provide a set of mitigation measures that were shown to.

D

Have an effect within the published literature, so we provided that from that.

D

List some were chosen and became part of the conditions there are in condition. 19.

D

20 and 21 and those conditions have been met. They don't include the 18 hour all.

D

Right so that that direction from toronto, public health and the board of.

H

Health that mitigation measure was not included.

D

That recommendation was not fully met. Some of them were met in dumb word. This.

H

Was mission 19, 20 and 21? Thank you. Thank you.

A

Counter croissant ii: no, thank you, madam speaker,.

C

So, just to clarify what we have in front of us, maybe a staff could kindly explain.

C

Exactly what we have in front of us and why we're here today like what? What are.

C

The recommendations- sorry counselor, he repeated yeah. If you could kindly dis.

C

Explain why we're here today and what the recommendations before us are in.

C

This this report, that is responding to a 2015 direction where council approved.

C

Conditionally expand the gaming at woodbine and the service provider was to.

C

Meet 21 conditions, we're reporting back on those 21 conditions right, so we're.

C

Here to discuss those 21 conditions, but not to debate, we had the debate in 2015.

C

How'd it can you explain what happened then in 2015 and july, so through the.

C

Speaker in 2015 council approved proceeding with the expansion subject to.

C

21 conditions being met so over a period of six months or so.

C

Staff negotiated or entered into negotiations with a service provider to.

C

And I should also explain that once council approved those conditions, they.

C

Were included in the procurement package that olg released once at once at oh, oh.

C

L ji had identified a service provider city staff began negotiations with that.

C

Provider to ensure that those 21 conditions are met in the before the.

C

Report before you today basically deals with the 21 conditions. There's the.

C

Community council report and the executive committee report combined.

C

There were advising that we, the staff, recommend that, based on their review.

C

Those 21 conditions have been satisfied so to be clear, then we have the debate.

C

In 2015 on whether this council is in favor of expanded,.

C

Gaming, so we had a 40 date and we said yes were, who were in favor of expanding.

C

Aiming subject to the 21 conditions, nine of which are social conditions, 12 of.

C

Which are planning conditions so we're here only to deal with that today. That's.

C

Correct: okay: now these 21 conditions have they all been met. I know that staff.

C

Has been working diligently over a number of months and years now, since.

C

2015, and- and thank you for that, but have they all been met through you, madam.

C

Speaker, yes, it is staffs opinion that the conditions have been met and it's.

C

It's so critical for us, in total north to have an impactful and an effective.

C

Community benefits agreement has that particular area then also successfully.

C

Met the community benefits agreement through the speaker, based on the nine.

T

Conditions established by council in 2015, we believe that those conditions.

T

Have been met within the term sheet for the community benefits agreement before.

T

You, okay, okay, could you can you just tell me a little bit about that.

C

Community benefits agreement how this particular agreement might compare to.

C

Other ones we've had in the city is this somewhat unique in nature. The entire.

T

Approach of community benefits is somewhat unique. It is an evolving way of.

T

Doing business certainly community benefits agreement.

T

Of this magnitude is new, and not something we've considered before in the.

T

Toronto context: right: would you describe this as a good agreement, a good.

C

Agreement for the community and and and one that will benefit the local.

C

Community, the the advice of staff is that this agreement provides the best.

T

Opportunities within within the context of this particular proposal in this.

T

Particular community the hard targets with respect to social and local hiring.

T

And full-time part-time, diverse supplier procurement are significant, all right.

T

Thank you, and just very quickly at this. I want to.

C

Just talk a bit about jobs, how many current jobs are at the woodbine.

C

Racetrack right now, 550 at the track, the racetrack I have I'd, never know sorry at.

T

The whole woodbine- yes, it's over 2,000 hit the racetrack alone. Okay, I have a.

C

Number still significant higher, but nonetheless well worth thousand untold.

C

Sorry so will will annex the expanded gaming help, support and protect these.

C

Jobs that are currently there- that was your last question. I would expect that.

T

It would by bringing more people to the track. Okay, thank you.

A

No sorry, councillor davis, thank you speaker.

I

Since we're signing the community benefits agreement, will we be able to.

I

Determine if the targets are met, do we have a will we decide if the targets.

I

Have been met through the speaker, the term sheet contains requirements for.

T

Community steering committee and employment and labor market advisory.

T

Group and responsible gaming there will be regular reporting both on the.

T

Community impacts, I just want to know if the city has the right to determine.

I

Whether or not targets have been met, yes, okay, and if they haven't been met. What.

I

Mechanisms for enforcement. Do we have the the rapport before you recommends.

T

That the community benefits agreement be tied to future land use approvals and.

T

That for future land use approvals to proceed, the community benefit agreement.

T

Must be in good standing what if they don't proceed with additional land use.

I

How are we going to enforce the the targets achieving the targets, the term.

T

Sheet does not contain any enforcement mechanisms, so they're not enforceable.

I

That they don't build out so in just to talk about the building out. How do we.

I

Compel them to build out a subdivision vary counselor. Could you repeat the.

H

Question, how are we going to compel them to complete the master plan and build.

I

Out the the way the two reports come together, the two reports through the.

H

Chair that are before council, the community benefits agreement must be.

H

Signed and entered into prior to the as part of a condition of the subdivision.

H

Agreement, the bills for the zoning bylaw amendment that is also in front of you.

H

Needs to be that that community benefits agreement needs to be signed prior to.

H

Council adopting that bill could approve the report today, but the bill may be at.

H

A future meeting of city council, if they give us time to enter into that.

H

Agreement and secure those conditions, but if they choose not to go ahead and.

I

Build out- or it takes a very long time for them to build out what mechanism.

I

Exists to compel them to meet the community benefits agreement for the.

I

Casino part, I don't understand this, you mean, after the adoption of the bill, if.

H

They didn't perform if they didn't perform in accordance with the.

H

Conditions of the agreement they have to sign the community benefits agreement.

I

And it's secured through the development agreements if they don't proceed with.

I

The development agreements what's enforcing the community benefits.

I

Agreement just for the casino components through you, counselor, there's.

K

A condition in the staff report on the planning report, in its condition 7b.

K

Which says prior to the bill is going to forward to counsel for enactment that.

K

The community benefits agreement has to be entered into and in good standing, so.

K

They, if they don't do that, then they don't get the bills. Then they.

K

Don't get the zoning that they don't get the building permit to build the casino.

K

So they have to have that in hand before these are the bills for the casino.

I

Curra must have, regardless of the builders or not correct, okay, on the on.

I

The to the deputy city manager, baxter truhair, the employment in labor market.

I

Condition, 14 and 15 in the agreement speaks to three streams: stability for.

I

Current staff, expanded employment, employment, equity, new recruitment would.

I

You not agree that having childcare is fundamental to most employers to ensure.

I

Stability of staff and reaching out and ensuring new recruitment, would you not.

I

Agree that childcare has always been seen under our policy city as being as.

I

Contributing to those employment factors, absolutely it's key to retaining and.

I

Recruiting staff that they have options for childcare right now in the area you.

I

Say that there's 1220 spaces that represents 20 percent of the child.

I

Population, in my calculation says if they have to achieve 50% capacity to.

I

Meet 50 percent of the population, they would require 1830 spaces. How many.

I

Spaces are you suggesting will be built in the next 10 years? Is it eighteen.

I

Hundred and thirty spaces in this area- okay- that was your last question and.

I

Sorry, I'm going to request at the acting general manager respond to that question.

I

She has the data. It's 1767 spaces through you, chair that.

C

Would need to be built by 2026 in order to achieve the 50% target? Okay, that was.

A

Your last question: councillor, davis, sorry.

A

So councillor davis, councillor fletcher, thank you very much. I just wanted to be.

S

Clear on the pathway- and I don't know who can answer this of this report- so it.

S

Actually went to a etobicoke york community council through you. Yes,.

K

Tonight the report, the report on the planning applications went through.

K

Etobicoke york, community council, so there's a zoning bylaw amendment.

K

Application there are two of them for the expanded gaming and a plan of.

K

Subdivision report that went through community council and through those.

K

Reports we provided our opinions on the first 12 of the conditions, so the zoning.

S

Bylaw went to community council as any zoning bylaw would do and amendments.

S

Could be made there by community council or council could make amendments? Would I.

S

Be correct, that's correct! So that's the purview of council because.

S

This is the first time we've seen that and if anything maybe didn't get in in.

S

Community counts so that could be added in here. That would be correct, but again.

K

There's issues around what was issued public notice as well. If council wanted.

K

To go too far, you'd have to be careful around that matter to go too far. I guess.

S

If in information, or there have been discussions at the community council,.

S

Level that people heard, then that would still be within the purview of council. I.

K

Would think so? Yes, if there was issues raised there, that city council wished to.

S

Deal with that, wouldn't be something new would it. It had already been raised. No.

K

That's correct what it was referring to. That's fine, the permissions yes and.

S

Often at and then for the other report that that went to executive, correct so.

C

That's correct the the report that went to executive dealt with the nine.

C

Community and social conditions like what employment etc, and at that point.

S

There were many discussions, there was deputed sand discussion on all parts of.

S

The report and there's been recommendations by staff on certain.

S

Things but the purview of council remains to look and see if we've.

S

Achieved everything we wanted to achieve, whether it's the zoning bylaw or whether.

S

It's this report, would I be right, so council has to determine whether.

C

They're satisfied that the 59 social conditions and the 12 mining conditions.

C

That they set back in 2015 are met are satisfied in the report coming through.

S

Executive, that's that's correct, but in the report coming through the zoning.

S

Bylaw, there are other things as well, as we often do in looking at amplifying.

S

Permissions to rezone something that we would like to have other things added in.

S

Is that not what we often do we'll have a construction liaison committee we'll.

S

Have regular reporting we'll have a committee that exists through whether.

S

It's just through construction or actual operations, and often that has been the.

S

Case I've had many of those I'm sorry counselor. There were parts of.

K

That I missed it, could you go over that again? No, we just heard that we have to be satisfied if the conditions that were.

S

Asked for were met right and then I would say that at that point it came to.

S

Executive there would be conversations about. Are we satisfied? Is there anything.

S

More and that's councils purview are we satisfied? Is there anything more for a.

S

Zoning bylaw that comes forward we are able to also say, are. We satisfied, is.

S

There anything more, in other words, maybe we need a park. Maybe we need a childcare.

S

Maybe we need a construction liaison committee. Maybe we need a monitoring.

S

Committee, all of those things can be added in to a zoning bylaw in the.

S

Approval, I believe, I'm correct parts of that- I would say yes you're correct, but.

K

When you're talking about parks, you have limitations on section 42 and all of.

K

Those issues as well, but on the other things, in other words, some oversight.

S

Requirements in order to build something, we often put conditions, that's correct,.

K

Yes, often that community, okay, usually at community council but council, can also.

S

Do that that is correct. Thank you. Did you, I'm sorry did you. I.

C

Just wanted to clarify it, we can we're trying to deter what the council has to.

C

Do is determine whether the current conditions that they've approved in 2015.

C

Are met, we're not what we cannot do is add new conditions. That's all, however,.

S

Through the zoning bylaw, we can add new conditions at any when it's here for.

S

Approval as a zoning bylaw, we can add conditions on a zoning bylaw. Thank you.

S

Very much councillor ford, thank you very much, madam speaker, and through you to.

D

Staff, so we've heard a number of times that these conditions were set out back.

D

In july 2015, who set those conditions through the.

C

Speaker, as council said, those kanuha city council who set these conditions at.

D

That particular time current council point 22 conditions, 25 conditions, heck a.

D

Hundred conditions on this- yes, so now, the city council's project soli, set to.

D

21 conditions that we have in front of us and was childcare ever part of those.

D

Conditions back in 2015 health care was not specifically mentioned. They were not.

D

Okay, thank you. So we sent none off to the province and yo lg and they went out.

D

With these 21 conditions attached for an rfp is that correct, that's correct.

D

Good, so now that has come back, you've got a a proponent.

D

An operator to operate here, we've staff who negotiate on community community.

D

Benefits agreement and meaning the 21 conditions. It is your opinion that these.

D

Conditions have been met, yes, as a staffs opinion that the conditions have been.

C

Met. Thank you. Do you believe that this is a.

D

Strong community benefits agreement through the speaker, the the targets.

T

Included in the agreement are very significant, certainly exceeding other.

T

Like agreements in the city of toronto, um through you, madam speaker, to staff, I.

D

Assume in the work you have put out on these 21 conditions, you have looked at.

D

Other casinos in north america, have you seen the community benefits agreement up.

D

To this caliber in any other district, the the american context is very.

T

Different, they are much further ahead in the use of community benefit agreements.

T

Certainly, in the canadian context, the the kinds of targets that have been set.

T

Are setting a new benchmark? Alright, thank you.

D

Saying a new benchmark, I have a question for you, madam speaker, to economic.

D

Development particular because this project will be an incredible investment.

D

In the local economy, as well as you know, toronto's economy, how many jobs is this.

D

Development set to create in just in phase one on a net basis to the city and.

T

On a full-time equivalent, it will be.

T

About 800 jobs, 800 jobs and that's just right at the beginning. But as this.

D

Project rolls out and the full-scale do you believe that there would be.

D

Thousands of more jobs would be double in terms of rolling out to face the.

T

Other phases, in terms of the hotels that are brought there, do you believe the.

D

Investment that this will have in the northwest will be a game-changer for the.

D

City and in our community specifically certainly has the potential to be that.

D

Right and do you believe this could be a catalyst for development and more jobs.

D

In our community again, it would be a has a potential to do that. We don't know how.

T

It'll roll out and as has been discussed already, we don't know what I'm in a.

T

Public context, what wag is planning, but certainly has the potential councilman.

D

Thank you and then to through you, mr. deputy.

D

Speaker to the appropriate staff, we talked about expanding transit in the.

D

Northwest particularly extending the finch lrt down 27 um does.

D

This project not make that much closer to becoming a reality and connecting the.

D

Northwest to the airport and the rest of the city, that's currently the three men.

H

Deputy speaker, sorry, the the current plan for the lrt, which is under.

H

Procurement from finch west station over to humber college, the further extension.

H

Of that lrt south from humber college into the proximity of woodbine and then.

H

Onward to the to the airport, perhaps linking up with a new go station would.

H

Significantly enhance the accessibility in that quadrant of the city.

D

Significally enhance thank you very much. I'm entering you, mr. deputy speaker, for.

D

My last question: if council decides to amend the agreement, add conditions today.

D

Can all the benefits that have been answered on the floor council for not.

D

Only the canyon north etobicoke, but the northwest in the city of toronto is.

D

There a chance that this could fail and we will not get anything. Does that open.

D

Us up to risk so through the speaker, if we are adding new conditions, we'd have.

C

To negotiate, we have to re-enter into negotiations with the service provider.

C

Depending on the outcome of the negotiations, we'd have to report back to.

C

Council on what the what they're willing to agree in terms.

C

Of amending the terms, I can't until we have those negotiations, it's hard for me.

C

To say whether we'd have a positive or a negative outcome there. Thank you thank.

Q

You councillor ford. Our next question is counselor troi's e. Thank you, deputy.

C

Speaker what economic development staff agree that moving forward on the 21.

C

Conditions, expanded gaming and new development at 5:55 boulevard.

C

Sorry, rexdale boulevard will create stronger business cases for investment.

C

In transit and housing in particular the revitalization of tch c sites like.

C

Jamestown that are outdated and the major investment. I can't I can't comment.

T

On the social housing aspect of potential, I don't know who can the the.

H

Possibility of additional, affordable housing could be considered through the.

H

Additional development on the lands to the west of the current site, certainly.

H

Under the city's large, the existing large sites policy in the official plan.

H

Is a large site we'd be looking for a significant contribution of affordable.

H

Housing, yes, thank you and just one other question.

C

Our staff able to identify the agencies in north etobicoke that were active.

C

Voice throughout the consultation process for the community benefits.

C

Agreement there were a range of organizations and entities involved.

T

We've certainly had a number of meetings with toronto community benefits network.

T

And the network has deep connection in that local community. We also held a.

T

Public meeting open to the broad public and approximately a hundred more than a.

T

Hundred individuals attended that meeting, as well as the local college and.

T

Other agencies serving the local community great. Thank you.

Q

Thank you, counselor troi's e next to question is counselor mavic and I will.

Q

Put on your microphone there, you go. Yes! Thank you. I don't remember the term.

L

Until recently of the 21 conditions, how did you make, how does one become a.

L

Condition and how does one not become a condition, and specifically I'm wondering.

L

This is kind of the public health kind of a staff, a city staff as well as.

L

Particularly the closure for six hours, that seemed to be a pretty strong motion.

L

That came at council and then now I understand from other questions. It's not.

L

A condition so my understanding, all that does predate me, is that you had asked.

D

For mitigation measures through the board of health- and we brought them.

D

Forward, based on what was in the literature, some of those were moved into.

D

Conditions through council and some were not the main one that was not was not.

D

Being open 24 hours and our recommendation was to be open, 18 and it.

D

Was councilors decision so is there some report that says these are the 21.

L

Conditions and we as council have to negotiate around that. I remember when we.

L

Had the debate it was for or against, and there were all these things make sure this makes sure this make sure this and now they're being kind of almost a kind.

L

Of a almost biblical text, these are 21 conditions. The 2015 report, one of the.

C

Attachment one included, the 21 can included 20 conditions and then council.

C

Chose to add an additional condition related to labor peace. I see okay, we're.

L

Around the wearing my part of reduction had around the jobs. What was the.

L

Condition around jobs, both in terms of jobs that would service the local.

L

Residents and jobs that were full-time living, wage jobs.

L

Well, what were what were the? What was the language around that in the current.

T

Report before council, I recommended well first well, what was the condition that.

L

Was in that document there was no specificity in the conditions.

T

Identified in 2015, that was the work subsequent to 2015 to identify right now.

L

You have like what is it, how many new hires in terms of headcount 4,600, new.

T

Hires of which 50% will be full-time jobs, 40% will be social and/or, local.

T

Hires and a minimum of that minimum of 20% has to be local hire. There are also.

T

Requirements on the construction employment? How long will the.

L

Requirements of the cba be, in effect until they're met, but until full.

T

Build-Out because the targets apply to the full employment numbers at full.

T

Operation not just for the casino, but it's for the planning, the housing and.

L

All those other pieces for the phase, one or phase one and we anticipate depending.

T

On approvals and how the process proceeds full operations- and we would be.

T

Able to measure achievement on those hard targets by 2022 and the term, but.

T

It's only for phase one; this is only for phase. One term of the cba is 22 years.

T

Okay, 22 years, okay, that was those a quick answer. So is there any mechanism.

L

To update them build in this agreement, review them update them. I'll. Look to my.

T

Legal and city manager, colleagues, there are recommendations regarding changes in.

T

The city's ability to review through the speaker, they're currently in the cba.

C

There there's no review provision included. Okay. Is there any mechanism to.

L

Oversight mechanism to enforce, rather than to.

L

Monitor yes, we're proposing the that the governance mechanisms include three.

C

Tables, one of which will be the community steering committee, which will be city convene and city chaired, and the purpose of that committee is to oversee.

C

The implementation of the community benefits agreement over the life of the.

C

Agreement twenty years and if they do not adhere what is are their penalties.

L

uh There's the document include penalties, there are no penalties.

C

Included in the cpa, so at the end of the day, it's excitations and pleas and.

T

Through the speaker, there will also be regular public reporting of achievement.

T

Against the targets, there was no annual reports to council.

L

Yes, we don't have an enforcement tool at the end of the day if things get.

L

Litigious we don't have a tool of enforcement. That's your last question.

T

Other than the land use approvals and the fact that the cba has to be in good.

T

Standing at the time at which land land use approvals come forward. Okay, thank.

Q

You thank you councillor havoc. Next, up for staff questions is councillor.

Q

Ainsley, thank you mr. deputy speaker, through to staff. What's the value of the.

K

Community benefits the casino operators gonna be providing do. We have a value.

T

Through the speaker, no, we haven't quantified. Many of the elements would be.

T

Very difficult to quantify so there's no ballpark figure. One of my colleagues was.

K

Mentioning earlier, they thought it was ten million dollars. I'm not aware of a.

T

Figure, that's not something that staff have haven't quantified at this point.

K

Okay and one of the the many reports they've read on different casinos pro.

K

And anti they talk about social cost, so the municipality, that's hosting a casino.

K

In terms of social services and different supports, is there a wave any.

K

Idea what the cost of that will be if we're having a casino in woodbine.

D

Through the speaker, that assessment has not been done and it's not part of the.

D

Ongoing monetary all right, but that's not something we would do as the.

K

Municipalities determine that this is what's going to cost us in turn,.

K

Social costs, police, saying to support issues around a casino in a municipality.

K

If there are any through the speaker, there has been initial discussion with.

T

Different city operating divisions and agencies we've not been able to quantify.

T

Ahead of operation and ahead of understanding, the operation of the.

T

Casino we've not been able to quantify those costs, we will be monitoring and.

T

Reporting back on any significant cost implications. Will that be within the the.

K

Realm of this, or do you need a motion to do that? Is that your something you're.

K

Gonna do as a matter of due course through the speaker. That's a.

C

Recommendation in the report- okay, all right and then the casino fees that the.

K

City are expecting to receive sort of dollar value on that through the speaker.

C

We currently receive about sixteen million dollars in hosting fee revenue.

C

We anticipate that as a result of the first phase of the development will.

C

Receive an incremental two to three million dollars and then once the the.

C

Full build-out is made roughly four years from now that will increase by.

K

About ten million dollars, so our estimate upon full bail that will.

C

Be roughly twenty six million so annually we're gonna, get twenty six.

K

Million dollars in fees from the casino as compared to the 16 million, that we.

C

Currently get okay and just out of curiosity parking penalties. How does.

K

That compare to the city of toronto, our parking penalties. What do we get with.

K

All the unassociated costs so that revenue fluctuates, but it's in the order.

C

Of between 90 and 200 million dollars, animals. Okay, all right! Thank you. Mr.

K

Williams, I just want to follow up on your your questions that councillor.

K

Florida was asking earlier so you said that the casino you're looking at 800.

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Employees now I hate under full-time equivalents. Net to the economy is after.

T

Phase one okay- and I just wanted to point you when we had this debate a.

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Couple years ago, maybe I'll fresher memory. I sent you a report that.

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Was done in the buffalo area on casinos in the united states and one of the.

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Things that they pointed out in this report was that for every three video.

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Slot machines in a casino the the money that leads the local economy for every.

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Three slot machines: you can expect to lose two jobs in the local economy.

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Annually so I just I try to address this issue earlier. There are, we are saying.

T

That one-third of the jobs are net increase to the economy, one-third of the.

T

Full-Time equivalents are net increase the economy. That means two-thirds are.

T

Not an increase, so there is a shifting of jobs around. What we don't know is.

T

Where that is within the gta or outside the gta, and we also don't know that.

T

Since this is overtime, there will be growth in the economy and some of that.

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Will be diverted to that, so it's it's it's hard to pin down the equation that.

T

You just described okay, and I also indicated in many of the us cases and.

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Certainly in downtown toronto, it was easier to speculate on where those jobs.

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Would have been pulled out of because of the location of the convention center.

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With this location, these jobs will be spread out all across the city and they.

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Will be commingled with growth, it's going to be very hard to pin that down.

K

Right because in this report word examines the greater buffalo area when.

K

It came up with that number. It talks about the amount of money that comes out.

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Of the local economy- and it says for each slot machine- this is in 2011.

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American dollars, fifty three thousand eight hundred and sixty three dollars at.

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Least you're lashing out at a local economy, and that probably I have no.

T

Reason to quarrel with the buffalo number: I have no, we have no ability to.

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Calculate the same number here, thank you counts their heart. Thank you, speaker.

L

Just a couple of quick questions for the city manager council has set 21.

C

Conditions and those conditions have been met. I believe you have said that.

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Repeatedly don't have to answer that question is.

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This as part of the entire process, though, we also have the ability to make.

L

Some changes through the zoning bylaw would any proponent expect that to be.

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Happening at this stage or not, is this something they might anticipate or.

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Perhaps not through the speaker, the I just want to distinguish between the.

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Zoning bylaw and the subdivision both of those matters, are in front of council.

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The zoning bylaw we've given notice for the zoning bylaw. So if council wanted to.

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Go beyond what we've given notice for, we would have to go back through the.

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Process in order to do that to give proper notice if council wanted to add.

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Something that wasn't in that zoning bylaw and all that's in front of council.

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Right now is to add tables to the zoning bylaw. I believe- and maybe some tweaks on.

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The parking but other than that that is what's in front of council for the.

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Zoning, what is also in front of council is a subdivision. The subdivision is a.

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Much broader scope: it's dealing with laying down a plan of streets and blocks.

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A new public park, other dedications and all of the provisions that require their.

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Appropriate servicing of this area. So that's: what's that that's the package in.

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Front of council I would, I would say that it's conceivable, I think the the.

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Word the city solicitor used that council may choose to add something to.

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The subdivision conditions, but it would be, we would have to be very clear about.

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What that was and how and how that was playing out. I can't stand here and.

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Guarantee that everything that council would want to do through those subdivision authorities would be desirable or appropriate without seeing.

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What that is? Okay, that's answered my other question. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Counts there holiday questions. Yes, thank you speaker. I think my questions are for.

B

The acting deputy city manager, mr. hare baxter.

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I just wanted to zoom in on this notion of child care. I've been struggling to.

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Understand exactly how it's been defined, I sat through the meetings I asked.

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Questions of many speakers and I got a different response about what child care.

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Meant to them anything from you know a facility, a built thing, an endowment to.

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Create a space all the way to the other end of this, the employer providing the direct benefit of child care in your in your.

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Discussions with the service provider, how did you define child care? I was not.

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In discussions with the child care in this particular issue, but in terms of.

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Providing child care, our preference is also always to provide licensed group.

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Care within the community that could serve a number of residents and.

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Technically, a number of employers- and we do that, based on a detailed analysis.

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That you'll see when we bring forward the child care capital. The plan that.

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Looks at the child population. The service is available right down to the.

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Neighborhood level and as we heard earlier, our goal over the next ten years.

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Is to have enough space to address 50% of the child population right, so your.

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Report talked to, or the report talked a lot. The supplemental report talked a lot.

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About the distribution of child care in the area and the opening of the.

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Questions the first question was about child care, and I would I would say that.

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Those were around the theme of the creation of a child care center within the community. Is that the I guess, the approach of staff, the child care in this.

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Area in terms of a community benefit is a physically built childcare center.

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Somewhere within the community that serves both the community residents and.

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Any casino workers that want to use those services- yes, that would be correct.

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And that is an area of the city that is technically underserved compared to.

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Other areas of the city, so so would it be fair to say that a constructed.

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Childcare center within the community is parallel and complementary to the city's.

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Goals and objectives with respect to childcare and our strategy to providing.

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Childcare, yes, it would be any idea what it would cost to to build a childcare.

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Center, the capital outlay we're finding that without the cost of land, they're.

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Coming in at between 4 and 5 million dollars, right now, closer to 4.5 million.

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4.5 million so that's to physically configure a space, and that excludes the.

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Cost of land: okay: does that include the building shell? Maybe, but would it be for.

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A building and equipping the site and equipping the site, but that has nothing.

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To do with operations, no ok, the the maybe this is maybe for the city.

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Manager's office, but the the letters that came in especially recently from.

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The toronto community benefits network talked about.

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Oh lg g, sorry, oh gg lp will provide funding and space for extended childcare.

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For woodbine employees, in the view of the city manager's office, is that.

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Different than building a physical space that would serve the broader community.

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Is that a different ask, and maybe I'd say in my view it sounds awfully.

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Different, I think what we're trying to differentiate is a community-based.

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Childcare center that would serve the general area which may or may not.

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Include the casino versus an employment employee based childcare. That would be.

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Within the facility and would specifically serve children of employees.

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And that would be something that we would look towards the the operator to.

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Be providing our priority would be for the community-based that would serve a.

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Broader population. Sorry, could you repeat that last part is a bit of.

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Chatter, in here, your priority is of the two models, one being the employer based.

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Childcare for the employees versus a community model of a community based.

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Childcare center available to everybody in the community which of those two.

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Would be your preferred approach and your recommended approach in terms of.

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Putting public dollars into it would be the communicative the community-based.

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Approach which is a much more equitable instead of in terms of access there can.

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May well be a demand for an employee and employment specific childcare and we.

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Would generally leave that to the employer to figure out how that specific.

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Industry wish to provide the service and give it it's a union based collective.

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Bargaining environment would would the the establishment of a childcare benefit.

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For employees be something that would typically go through that process, I'm.

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Not sure what your question well, it's all repeated, yet you know so if.

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Childcare is a benefit for the employees directly, and this is a collective.

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Bargain environment would the the establishment of a childcare benefit for.

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Employees be typically created through an employer bargaining group discussion.

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I think there's all kinds of options and approaches to that, but in a situation.

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Like this, if it was an a benefit to employees, meaning that the employer was.

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Covering a portion or all of the costs yeah that could go through that process or any other corporate process for putting.

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Policies and procedures in place- that was your last my question. Thank you.

A

Counts there campbell. Thank you, venice speaker, my questions for mr. williams. In.

E

Terms of the business case for this, not the business, the business of gaming and.

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Gambling, what's it what's the current customer count or patron count at.

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Woodbine racetrack, do you have anything like that? If you do nominate people go.

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Through there, no, we don't have that number. We do we know. So if we don't have.

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That number we don't know how many people are gonna, be going through in the future. Once this is done, I can get you that before the debate is finished, the.

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Reason is that so I'm gonna turn my question to mr. mr. abrel injure then.

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Because we talked about, there was some discussion about problem gambling and it.

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Says cem each says that one point: seven percent of gamblers self-identify as.

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Having a problem and did you, did you make a statement earlier that we would.

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Be monitoring it or we're going to somehow have some sort of involvement in.

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In helping people who get addicted to gambling so through the speaker within.

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The conditions, especially 19, 20 and 21, there are what are called responsibly.

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Responsible gambling measures that provide supports for individuals who are.

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Self, identifying as having a problem or whose staff working in the facility.

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Identify needs support, so that's within the conditions that are.

D

Set up in terms of the 1.7%, it's a difficult number to be precise, about.

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Because the self-report is not the most accurate measure of any statistic would.

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You say it's probably low. I can't say because it's it would take a whole.

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Series of studies to really determine that within currently the gta or within.

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Ontario, I would think of it, I mean hypothetically, I would think of it if.

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It's self-reported, it's probably low, so we don't have any so, given that we don't.

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Know the number of patrons that are going through would binary now, nor do we know the number of patrons that will go once this is fully.

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Developed, we don't have any idea of the extent of the possible problem of an or.

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Possible number of program of gamblers that are having problems that will have.

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Problems so through the speaker in the earlier part of this debate, the stock.

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That'll work most closely on this mentioned that there is a recommendation.

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Related to monitoring and the question there was what we would see in terms of.

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City services and clearly that's an option of staff working throughout all.

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The city services and that folks might avail themselves of to notify you of any.

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Changes that they see, do you foresee having city city services on-site? No, it.

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Depends what services you're thinking of there? There are various measures within.

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The responsible gambling measure list they're used throughout ontario that.

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Provides support either directly on site or that direct folks to services that.

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They could avail themselves of outside of the site. Is that a so? It is.

E

Responsibility for that a provincial responsibility or a municipal.

E

Responsibility in through the speaker in the situation that we're in right now.

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It's accommodation because we have this set of conditions that have been.

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Developed in conjunction with the provincial partners, but the provincial.

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Partners already have a set of what they call responsible gambling measures that.

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They have an all gambling facilities throughout the province. Okay, so do we as.

E

A city at this point in time take any measures or provide any services for.

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People who have self-identified as having problem again a gambling problem.

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I think we leave that to our folks in socially. It's not that specific, but it.

D

But the programs means social services are for individuals that are.

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Experiencing any type of addiction: well, no, but I'm specific to gambling, I mean.

E

There's there's only limited opportunities to gamble within the city.

E

Of toronto, but so I guess the answer is no. Is that correct that right now we do.

E

Not have when we have services, but we don't have any specific services to.

E

Address the needs, a pea with problem gambling. I'd say that as.

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Specific as you're, subscribing and rate on site and as their self-identified.

D

That no, but there are recommendations here that may lead us to develop that or.

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Know through the speaker, the response, ling, gambling measures that are both.

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Municipal and provincial ii developed are there to support individuals on the.

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Site as they are experiencing challenges or to give them advice on prevention, so.

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Those are our measures that are within the package that you're looking at okay.

E

Thank you very much thanks for the answers. Thank you.

A

Couched at burnside, thank you through you from the end, from the perspective of.

N

Jobs, how will and I'm not sure who the staff member would be, but how would test.

K

Be involved in this, or are they not at all through you, madam speaker, we have.

C

Developed a pathway for construction jobs, called construction connections, so.

C

Certainly will be very involved with the hiring and training of apprenticeships.

C

That will be on a pathway to those construction jobs. In addition to that, we.

N

Will be working with the local community around making connections between the.

C

Job availability and assessing the clients that we have and the residents.

C

In that area and connection connecting them with the jobs available.

C

Okay, so I'll follow up question in terms of when you mentioned the clients, you.

K

Have through the speaker, who are these clients, is it anyone do you have to be.

N

On ontario works is it only? How does that it will be residents? The agreement.

C

Talks about residents of the area, local hires so will be very focused on local.

C

Hires that will include ontario works clients, but also other clients.

C

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, okay, so um I think we don't have time so.

A

We'll recess to 6:30, yes, we're going to recess the 6:30.