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City Council, meeting 32, October 2, 2017 - Part 2 of 3 - Afternoon Session
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11865
Part 1 - Morning Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtMJ7B6ybI8#t=10m19s
Part 3 - Evening Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fG2Npspf-w#t=9m48s
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All
right
members
of
council
before
the
recess
council
was
consider
requests
to
make
time
items
time-specific.
Councillor
Pasternak
has
moved
that
council
consider
item
e
acts,
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11
on
commuter
parking
on
Wednesday
after
item
OS
20
1.1
on
a
tow
truck
industry
review
now
I
believe
councillor
perks.
You
wanted
thank.
G
You
very
much
speaker,
I
know
it's
unusual
to
speak
to
one
of
these
requests,
but
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
important
that
we
do
that
because
we
have
certain.
You
know,
practices
here
about
when
an
item
is
time
specific.
Generally,
it's
for
one
of
two
reasons
there
may
be
staff
from
an
outside
agency
who
normally
aren't
here
or
perhaps
there's
a
large
number
of
members
of
the
public
say
with
the
tow
truck
item
who
want
to
be
here
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
tell
them.
G
You
don't
have
to
sit
here
for
three
days
and
wait
so
we've
scheduled
it.
The
item
that
counts
there
pasternak
has
asked
to
be
time
specific,
doesn't
meet
either
of
those
tests
now
I
appreciate
that
councillor
Pasternak
is
passionate
about
this
he's,
so
passionate
in
fact
that
this
isn't
even
the
first
time
he's
brought
this.
We
had
an
almost
identical
item
that
the
counselor
brought
on
commuter
parking
and
the
subway
line
in
January,
and
we
approved
it
in
consent.
G
Further
the
recommendations,
if
you
look
at
it,
are
to
ask
the
TTC
to
do
something:
it's
not
even
something
within
our
purview.
Now
I
understand
councilor.
Past
Newark
is
passionate.
Many
of
us
get
passionate
about
issues
they're
here,
but
if
every
time
one
of
us
cared
about
something
a
lot,
we
had
to
make
it
time
specific.
Our
agenda
would
become
a
mockery
because
we
don't
have
that
many
slots.
G
It
and
you'll
all
remember
the
number
of
times
we've
had
a
timed
item
for
two
o'clock
and
we
can't
do
it
because
we're
backed
up
with
four
other
timed
items
I
understand.
Sometimes
there
are
special
people
who
need
to
be
here
and
can
only
be
here
at
a
certain
time
and
doing
it.
For
that
reason
is
fine.
I
understand
when
there
are
great
many
members
of
the
public
who
want
to
be
here
to
watch
us
debate,
something
that's
not
the
case
here.
This
isn't
even
something
we
should
be
debating
here.
H
Just
for
clarity's
sake,
the
reason
I
wanted
it
on
Wednesday
morning
and
no
later
is
come.
Wednesday
night
is
a
holiday
of
religious
significance
for
the
Jewish
community.
I
will
not
be
here
either
Wednesday
night
or
Thursday
or
Friday.
Therefore,
I'm
trying
to
get
the
items
that
our
particular
concern
to
Ward
10
dealt
with
before
that
time.
I
believe
that
meets
the
criteria
that
councilor
perks
is
referring
to.
Thank.
I
Yes,
Thank
You,
speaker,
I've,
councillor,
Csonka,
shiner,
suggested
and
I
certainly
agree
that
we
do
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8
page
17,
CC,
32
point
11
appointments
to
Toronto,
Hydro
board
of
directors
at
the
same
time
as
we're
going
to
do
the
annual
financial
statements
so
I'd
like
to
move.
We
put
those
together
that.
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A
You
members
of
council
I,
want
to
stress
the
importance
of
preparing
emotions
and
events.
The
clerk
staff
are
here
to
help
you
prepare
your
motions
in
particular,
if
you
intend
to
move
emotion
during
the
release
of
folks,
I
will
insist
that
your
motion
be
prepared
in
advance
and
given
to
the
clerk.
If
you
do
not
have
your
motion
ready,
I
will
not
recognize
you
and
I'm
also
reminding
members
that
you
must
state
your
motion.
First
before
you
speak
to
it.
A
Remember,
city
council
follows
a
routine
for
the
processing
and
adding
of
any
motions
without
notice
during
the
meeting.
Please
remember
that
a
motion
without
notice
must
include
a
reason
for
urgency.
If
you
have
an
urgent
motion
without
notice,
you
wish
to
bring
forward
at
this
meeting.
Please
give
your
motion
to
the
city
clerk
staff.
They
will
prepare
the
necessary
procedure.
Motion
from
my
review,
along
with
your
motion,
the
chair
must
agree.
The
motion
is
urgent.
A
Before
you
can
seek
leave
to
introduce
it
at
this
meeting,
it
will
require
30
volts
that
emotion
without
notice
to
the
agenda
during
the
meeting.
Motions
added
to
the
agenda
in
this
way
are
not
subject
to
a
vote.
To
waive
referral
to
a
committee
or
agency
I
will
be
reviewing
all
motions
carefully
and
I
will
advise
after
each
recess,
which
motions
need
a
motion
to
add
to
the
agenda
members
before
we
begin
the
mayor's
key
item.
I
just
want
to
express
counsels
best
wishes
to
Toronto
Police
Chief
Mark
Saunders,
as
he
undergoes
surgery.
A
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Through
you,
madam
madam
Speaker
I'll,
begin
and
then
likely
turn
it
over
to
planning
I
think.
The
short
answer
is
that
it's
not
currently
part
of
the
work,
but
it
would
be
part
of
any
management
plan
that
we
would
move
forward
with
and
we
there
is
a
recommendation
in
the
report
that
speaks
to
bringing
together
a
number
of
different
institutions
to
speak
to
that
type
of
research
together.
L
B
From
their
report
stood
out
for
me,
one
was
in
1997.
Ten
percent
of
the
ravine.
Canopy
was
already
covered
by
non-native
tree
species
by
2015
and
it
increased
to
40
percent,
and
if
this
trend
continues
in
2050,
60
percent
of
the
ravine
canopy
would
be
non-native
species
and
the
ravine
will
be
eventually
a
green
desert.
I
thought
that
was
quite
depressing,
and
it's
just
speak
to
how
important
all
of
the
hard
work
your
staff
have
put
into
developing
this
strategy.
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So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
and
then
I'll
ask
mr.
Evans
to
speak
directly
to
the
tree.
Canopy
question
there
is
the
report
does
recommend
a
number
of
different
stakeholder
tables.
One
would
be
the
philanthropic
table
that
we're
calling
ravine
leaders
and
another
is
that
we
continue
in
the
stakeholder
advisory
group
that
has
been
putting
other
just
around
the
creation
of
the
ravine
strategy.
So
I
think
there's
a
number
of
opportunities
for
all
of
those
things
to
happen.
At
the
same
time
can.
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D
Yes,
the
U
of
T
submission
spoke
to
one
particular
area
in
the
ravine
system
in
Toronto,
and
there
had
been
a
lot
of
Norway
maple
in
that
particular
area
of
the
the
ravine
system,
and
there
are
places
throughout
the
ravines
of
Toronto,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
presence
of
invasive
species
and
invasive
species
by
Nature.
Our
definition
are
going
to
invade
bigger
and
bigger
areas.
If
they're
not
managed,
and
as
we
move
forward
through
this
strategy,
those
areas
will
be
targeted
for
management.
Okay,.
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The
speaker,
this
is
something
that
Toronto
can
be
very
proud
of
in
its
efforts
over
the
last
several
decades
already
to
advocate
the
growers
to
source
seeds
locally,
and
we
work
with
the
Ontario
native
species.
I
forget
what
they're
called
exactly,
but
it's
a
group
of
experts
across
southern
Ontario
that
are
very
busy
collecting
and
advocating
collection
of
and
growing
than
of
native
species
from
local
seed
source.
So
we
do
our
best
here
too,
in
Toronto
to
to
buy
them.
E
Excuse
me
I,
want
to
ask
two
sets
of
questions.
One
has
to
do
with
the
financing
of
the
of
the
strategy,
and
the
other
has
to
do
with
the
differences
between
private
and
public
or
Dean
systems,
so
for
the
financial
portion
of
it
can
I
get
some
indication
of
just
how
much
money
are
we
willing,
at
this
point
to
commit.
L
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
report
and
the
recommendations
don't
actually
speak
to
any
money
at
this
point,
but
rather
that
part
of
the
implementation
approach
would
be
interdivisional
II
between
parks,
forestry
and
recreation,
city
planning,
Toronto,
water
and
Toronto
transportation,
and
the
Toronto
and
region
Conservation
Authority.
We
would
come
back
with
a
cup
a
coordinated
capital
budget
where
we
would
coordinate
as
many
projects
as
possible
that
are
on
the
books
and
also
identify
priority
investment
areas
for
the
next
10
to
20
years,
so
that
work
hasn't
been
done
yet.
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Three,
madam,
madam
speaker,
yes
as
part
of
the
review
and
that's
why
we
had
the
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority
participate
as
well,
because
essentially
they
have
the
regulatory
powers
to
manage
the
privately
owned
ravines,
as
under
provincial
law.
They
have
fill
regulation
permit
permits
that
they
issue
making
control
encroachment
in
ravines
as
opposed
to
the
publicly
owned
lands
already.
D
So
the
TRC
a
has
been
an
active
partner
in
this
initiative,
and
the
intention
of
the
ravine
strategy
is
is
to
look
at
the
policies
right
across
the
whole
natural
ravine,
and
the
city
would
would
focus
on
the
public
lines.
While
we
would
work
jointly
with
the
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority,
to
try
to
manage
the
same
policy
issues
on
private
lines.
I.
E
D
Q3
figure,
what
I'm
speaking
about
is
for
permits
and
authorities
to
do
any
work
in
ravine
areas.
The
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority,
has
has
that
power
to
control
what
gets
built
in
there
on
private
lands.
Also
on
city
lines,
we
have
to
apply
for
permits
to
the
TRC
a
whenever
we
do
work
even
on
public
lands.
So
that's
on
that
regulatory
control.
With
respect
to
the
ravine
policies,
we
have
I'll
hand
it
back
to
to
Janey
so.
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The
speaker,
all
I'll,
speak
for
parks,
forestry
and
recreation,
and
perhaps
mr.
did
Geronimo
can
speak
on
behalf
of
Toronto
water,
where
the
most
significant
budgets
are
in
this
regard.
So
we
don't
have
a
quantum
for
the
entire
strategy.
As
of
yet
there's
still
work
to
do
around
priority
investment
areas
and
there's
still
work
to
do
amongst
collaborating
amongst
interdivisional
II
and
with
the
TRC
a
so
that
we
can
effectively
use
our
combined
resources
as
effectively
as
possible,
and
that
would
be
the
report
back
that
we
have
recommended
within
the
strategy
moving
forward.
D
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
with
respect
to
the
work
that
Toronto
water
is
doing
in
water
courses
and
ravines,
we
have
a
number
of
projects
already
committed
and
some
already
built
like
their
Robles
stormwater
facility.
We
have
another
stormwater
facility,
that's
under
construction,
Emory,
Creek
another
one
to
come
up
in
Bonner
Creek,
so
we
already
have
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
allocated
for
stormwater
work
in
ravines.
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So
three,
madam
Speaker,
there
is
you
know
as
you
as
you've
noted
there
is.
The
quantum
of
capital
funds
is
not
identified
in
the
report
we
have,
and
the
report
does
speak
to
some
successful
partnerships.
We
have
had
in
the
ravine
system
around
philanthropic
contributions
and
the
lowered
on
trail
and
that
work
that
is
recently
completed
and
much
work
to
continue
in
partnership
with
other
ravine
is
a
perfect
example
of
that
type
of
philanthropic
contribution.
L
Moving
forward
with
this
ravine
leaders
table
what
we
would
likely
do
is
is
identify
the
base
work
that
needs
to
be
done
from
a
capital
perspective
in
the
ravine
system
and
then
a
number
of
priority
areas
for
investment,
as
a
report
says
where
we
could
add
on
to
that
base
layer
of
work
with
philanthropic
work.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
look
after
the
entire
ravine
system
and
add
to
it
through
some
philanthropic
donations,
so.
K
During
the
deputations
at
the
executive
committee,
a
number
of
communities
came
out.
One
of
the
issues
that
was
identified
was
the
the
lack
of
resources
currently
within
the
divisions
to
help
us
keep
the
ravines
clean
debris
free
to
ensure
that
there's
a
waste
management
component
with
respect
to
encampments
or
perhaps
illegal
dumping,
is
that
gonna
be
captured
in
this
report
through.
K
And
with
respect
to
development
encroachment,
which
does
that
the
that
it
does
speak
to
some
components
of
the
the
impact
of
development
encroachment,
there
is
no
language
in
here
talking
about
the
shadow
impacts
that
rivey
that
that
would
take
place
if
we
have
tall
buildings.
Very
close.
That
casts
a
very
long
shadow
on
these
sensitive
ecological
areas.
There
is
nothing
that
protects
that
that.
D
G
L
Through
the
speaker,
there
has
been
throughout
this
work
and
there
is
recommended
in
the
report
I'll
just
no
recommendation
or
action
number
five,
which
is
to
expand
the
network
of
partnerships
with
the
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority
and
with
academic
and
educational
institutions
to
identify
research
needs,
develop
baseline
inventories
of
ravine
health,
recreation
use
and
public
engagement
activities
and
improve
monitoring
and
reporting
in
Toronto.
So
it
is
identified
as
an
action
item
in
the
plan.
Okay,.
G
When
the
deputation
came
from
the
University
of
Toronto,
they
expressed
concern
both
this
deputation
and
also
when
the
interim
report
came
forward,
that
we
hadn't
done
the
the
field
biology
necessary
to
properly
and
enumerate
the
species
and
the
various
ecosystem
functions
that
those
species
perform
at
committee.
Councillor
Robinson
moved
an
amendment
that
using
science
available
at
University
of
Toronto
for
faculty
of
forests
for
your
similar
center
of
research,
developed
baseline
information
and
address
the
capacity
of
city
staff
and
its
partners
to
get
the
work
done.
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L
Through
through
the
speaker,
I'm,
not
sure
I
think
that
would
be
the
work
that
would
have
to
be
done
with
that
working
group
I
couldn't
speak
exactly
to
what
those
additional
measures
would
be
at
this
point
in
that
work.
I
do
understand
that
there's
some
there's
a
number
of
different
ideas
of
the
working
group
about
how
to
conduct
those
measures
and
through
the
recommendation
of
Executive
Committee,
this
specific
approach
was
recommended
for
consideration
as
one
of
those
basic
measures
and
we're
certainly
willing
to
continue
doing
that.
Work
with
that
group.
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G
Again,
to
be
clear,
the
scientists
who
wrote
the
presentation
that
was
given
at
the
parks
committee
or
sorry,
an
executive
committee
were
very
clear
that,
in
terms
of
looking
at
various
indicators
of
ecological
health
of
species,
diversity
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
the
work
done
to
date
does
not
meet
the
standard
of
international
research
with
specifically
ecological
integrity
and
committee.
Very
clearly
said.
We
have
to
do
better
and
try
to
achieve
what
the
University
of
Toronto
is
talking
about.
D
Through
the
speaker,
there's
an
enormous
amount
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
and
when,
when
one
would
write
up
management
plans
to
improve
and
protect
the
integrity
of
the
natural
systems,
habitat
and
so
on.
In
ravines,
for
that,
we
need
baseline
data
on
a
lot
of
things,
both
plants
and
fauna.
We
have
to
go
back
in
the
records
and
find
out
what
was
there
what
naturally
grew
there,
but
we've
also
got
to
find
out.
D
What's
happened
to
our
soils
there
and
how
that's
changed
the
system
and
what
could
be
done
to
either
restore
it
or
protect
it
as
it
is
and
try
to
move
on
from
there
from
its
current
condition,
and
it
varies
site-by-site.
The
city
is
so
fragmented
that
it's
an
enormous
amount
of
effort
and
there
are
multitudes
of
baseline
data
that
we
would
need
and
we
would
seek
out
through
experts.
D
G
I
I
appreciate
that
I,
the
reason
I'm
you
know-
I
I,
don't
want
to
you,
know,
feel
pushed
here,
but
I
guess
I
am
pushing.
You
know
recently.
The
World
Wildlife
Fund
put
out
work
saying
that
maybe
2%
of
North
American
ecosystems
are
intact
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
I
have
you're
undertaking
that
before
we
start
putting
in
new
impacts
new
uses
in
there,
we
will
do
the
proper
field.
Work
that
the
biological
field
work
to
have
the
baseline
is
that
the
order
of
operations
field
work
first
impact
second
through.
L
A
L
So
to
the
speaker,
if
I
can
clarify
because
I
when
we
speak
to
the
10-year
plan,
we're
speaking
more
specifically
to
attend
your
capital
plan
and
the
10-year
capital
planning
framework
that
that
the
city
operates
in
in
that
10
years
strategy
around
how
to
coordinate
our
relative
capital
plans
together.
When
we
speak
to
the
ravine
strategy,
we
would
we
are
looking
this
at
this
as
a
foundational
strategy
that
would
be
longer
than
10
years
because
of
okay.
L
Through
the
speaker,
the
quick
wins
are
items
that
collectively
we
believe
we
can
move
on
through
the
existing
10-year
plan
to
some
capacity,
although
the
actual
dates
have
not
been
have
not
been
exactly
put
together
yet,
and
they
would
come
back
and
the
implementation
strategy
that
we
have
coming
back.
It's.
F
Just
it's
hard
to
pass
something
when
we
really
don't
have
a
sense
of
the
timelines
on
these,
so
you
know
in
general,
I
mean
it
says,
we're
going
to
do
3e
essays.
The
number
one
concern
expressed
deputations
was
that
we
had
84
essays
plans
that
are
being
that
need
to
be
developed
and
only
three
are
identified
as
one
of
the
quick
wins
now
I
did
hear
in
questions
that
there
were
53
being
worked
on,
but
so
it
doesn't
add
up
to
me
when
what
are
the
three
that
are
going
to
be
completed
when,
for
instance,.
E
B
B
F
I'm,
sorry,
I,
don't
know
I
I,
guess,
I'm
really
trying
to
understand
the
implementation
timeline,
particularly
of
the
management
plans
for
the
environmentally
sensitive
areas.
Can
you
just
give
us
the
more
information
there's
84
of
them?
This
recommends
three
within
the
first
five
years.
So
when
are
we
going
to
see
the
remainder
completed
so.
F
To
look
at
in
partnership
with
the
TRC,
a
and
other
stakeholder
take
an
assessment
of
potential
climate
change
impacts
on
the
ravine
system,
including
impacts
on
the
natural
systems
and
existing
and
proposed
infrastructure.
That's
a
long-term
action.
How
long
are
we
going
to
wait
until
we
do
climate
change
analysis
on
the
ravines.
D
Three
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
we've
been
working
with
the
Toronto
region,
Conservation
Authority
and
also
Environment
Canada.
Looking
at
some
of
the
different
changes
that
are
being
proposed
on
floodplains,
they
have
to
remap
the
floodplains
all
that
baseline
data
has
to
be
done
first
before
we
could
see
what
the
impacts
are
going
to
be.
As
we
do
projects,
though,
we
are
incorporating
some
mitigation
measures
based
on
storm
conditions
on
works
within
ravines
and
rivers,
or
even
that
feed
into
the
ravines.
For
example,
some
of
our
basement
flooding
works.
It's.
F
D
O
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
My
questions
might
they
might
take
councillor
Davis's
question
and
boiled
them
down
to
it
to
a
summary
I'm.
Following
on
the
the
question
that
I
asked
in
an
executive
committee,
there's
a
there's
a
difference
between
a
priority,
prioritization
framework
and
an
implementation
plan.
We
don't
yet
have
an
implementation
plan
in
our
hand.
That's.
O
What
you
could
do
in
in
in
ten
years
of
work
and
and
the
prioritization
framework
turns
into
an
implementation
plan
if
we
keep
pace
with
the
funding
requirements.
Is
that
in
a
nutshell
through
the
speaker
that
that's
correct?
Okay,
so
the
good
news
is
I
heard
that
there
there
are
a
few
that
you're
proceeding
with
some
that
are
done,
a
few
more
that
are
you're
proceeding
with,
so
we
should
see
them
in
the
itemization
of
the
2018
budget
through.
L
The
speaker,
that's
correct
and
I
should
note
that
some
of
the
quick
wins
or
the
short
term
items
in
this
plan,
parts
of
them
are
already
represented
in
our
10
year
capital
plan.
It
would
be
a
matter
of
coordinating
them
so
that
they
happen.
You
know
at
the
right
phase
so
that
all
of
the
divisions
can
be
aligned
appropriately
right.
O
And
so
the
future
council,
if
they
want
to
keep
pace
with
it,
what
we
have
the
prioritization
framework
shows
them
what's
a
high
priority.
Matrix
shows
them
what's
a
high
priority,
and
if
you
want
to
continue
to
fund
here's
where
we
will
go
next,
you
would
therefore
you
would
update
that
matrix
as
we
go
along.
Do
the
speaker
that's
correct?
Okay,
then
I
only
have
one
other
question,
because
each
time
we
we
address
our
budget,
we
can
see
if
we're
keeping
pace.
O
I
have
one
other
question:
I
couldn't
find
it
in
the
in
the
deeper
report
and
and
maybe
I'm
missing
it
I
have
the
experience
in
my
area
where
we
actually
achieved
a
fair
amount
of
this
through
development
funds.
We
made
it
a
condition
where,
where,
as
often
happens,
developers
want
to
come
back
and
develop
along
a
ravine
and
the
ravine
in
question,
we
had
to
reestablish
where
is
top
of
bank,
and
we
also
had
a
ravine
that
badly
needed
to
be
realized.
O
They,
you
know
60s
type
of
development,
someone
had
simply
Johnny
Appleseed
thrown
whatever
into
the
ravine,
non-indigenous
speech's
species
and,
and
lo
and
behold,
flooding,
choking
and
collapsing
of
culverts
is
in
the
plan.
Is
there
also
a
recommendation
that
takes
us
to
making
it
a
hard-and-fast
policy
so
that
the
planning
department
never
missed
that
opportunity
to
try
and
realize
some
of
the
work
that
could
be
done
on
the
ravine
strategy?
If
the
site
is
adjacent,
I
think.
D
Through
the
speaker,
it's
already
part
of
the
city's
official
plan
that
we
would
require
a
natural
heritage
impact
study
when
development
is
proposed,
adjacent
to
a
ravine
and
as
you've
outlined.
That's
the
type
of
conversation
that
takes
place
and
often
we
can
secure
remediation
strategy
for
the
adjacent
ravine
and.
O
Q
You
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
and
my
questions
are
to
staff
and
I
think
they
focus
on
the
same
letter
or
the
the
University
of
Toronto
letter
that
we've
all
I,
think
read
and
we're
impacted
by
is
my
is
my
understanding.
Correct
me
about
10,500
Hecate
hectares
of
ravine
lands
in
the
City
of
Toronto
ballpark.
Let's
call
that
a
big
box
of
ravines
of
that
big
box
of
ravines.
What
percentage
have
we
done?
Actual
biological
inventories
of?
Would
it
be
ten
percent
fifty
percent?
Ninety
percent.
D
Q
Because
the
Oh-
not
the
only
and
I,
say
this
in
a
respectful
way,
I
guess
what
we've
done
in
the
past
for
the
ESA
s,
and
when
we
did
our
official
plan
reviews
to
designate
those
ESA
s
and
places
like
the
Frank,
Faubert,
woodlot
and
Scarborough,
we
will
send
out
a
team
to
do
a
biological
inventory
or
a
biological
study.
But
that's
I'll
call
it
for
those
special
gems.
I
represent
a
war
that
has
Highland
Creek
in
it
again.
Q
My
guess-
and
maybe
you
can
correct
me
if
I
wrong
wrong
as
I
would
say,
maybe
less
than
certainly
less
than
20
percent
of
Highland
Creek
has
actually
been
studied
to
do
a
baseline
biological
inventory,
because
there's
not
many
ESA
s
at
all
in
hayoung
Creek,
except
that
the
foot
of
the
Scarborough
Bluffs
so
you'd
say
most
of
Highland.
Creek
has
probably
never
had
an
actual
formal
biological
inventory
through.
P
D
Through
the
speaker,
the
intention,
as
we
move
forward
through
the
through
the
time
as
we
do
capital
work
through
our
ravines,
is
to
actually
improve
those
ravines,
protect
them
and
improve
them
and
as
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
that,
we'll
need
that
kind
of
data.
So
each
time
we
go
into
any
kind
of
area
of
major
capital
investment
or
any
time
we've
got
priority
showing
up
on
our
on
our
system
saying
this
is
an
area
that's
in
high
need
of
capital,
work
and
or
protection
or
enhancement.
D
To
add
to
that
account,
so
just
so,
you
understand
the
reason
why
we're
trying
to
coordinate
in
this
strategy,
so
Toronto
Water
did
complete
a
geomorphological
study
on
Highland
Creek,
which
looked
at
the
the
health
of
the
aquatic
habitat
and
any
improvements,
as
we
had
to
do
some
work
through
there.
Yes,
well,
what
we
didn't
study
and
need
the
study
still
is
the
flora
and
fauna.
That's
right,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
coordinate
those
two
in
future.
Q
D
Q
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
so-
and
this
is
where
I'm
differing,
perhaps
with
with
the
input
that
staff
is
giving
us,
are
you
if
staff
overall
is
saying
to
us
in
Highland
Creek,
for
example,
when
we
have
to
do
sewer,
work,
stabilization,
work,
roadwork,
oh
then,
and
only
then
will
we
do
a
biological
inventory
other
than
that
councillor.
You
could
be
in
this
building
for
the
next
20
years
and
nothing's
gonna
happen
in
Highland,
Creek,
correct.
D
Me,
you
know
I,
believe
the
intention
is
to
slowly
complete
studies
along
the
way,
however,
and
what
we
would
do
as
a
capital
working
group
is
maybe
prioritize
when
those
studies
will
be
done
or
when
trial
water
would
undertake
certain
capital
works.
So
by
having
counsel
endorse
the
strategy,
we
could
me
the
staff
and
start
reordering
our
capital
programs
based
on
priority,
and
that
way
we
can
do
them
both
at
the
same
time,
because
right
now,
they're
not
happening
at
the
same
time.
O
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Madam
Speaker
I.
Don't
have
a
motion
to
move.
I
I
am
very
pleased
with
the
addition
that
was
made,
especially
after
the
case
that
was
made
for
it
at
executive
I.
Don't
know
that
whether
or
not
my
colleague
who
just
questioned
last
councilor
maker
was
president
for
the
presentation
or
watching
from
his
office.
But
I
am
confident
that
that,
in
the
in
the
the
timing
that
that
staff
can
actually
execute
the
types
of
studies
looking
for
it
is
all
captured
in
the
term.
O
The
definition
of
ecological
integrity
and
and
I
had
to
ask
about
it
a
couple
of
times
that
the
delegates
from
U
of
T,
because
it
is
a
relatively
new
concept
new,
was
in
the
year
2000
17
years
ago,
and
it
was
actually
a
definition.
Was
agreed
on
so
that
it
could
be
used
in
the
similar
strategy
for
Canada's
national
parks,
and
that
is
that
an
ecosystem
has
integrity
integrity
when
it
is
deemed
characteristic
for
its
natural
regions,
including
the
composition
and
abundance
of
native
species
and
biological
communities,
rates
of
change
and
all
supporting
processes.
O
What's
important
to
me
is
that
we
keep
in
mind
that
we
need
staff
every
year
to
continue
to
report
to
us
that
they've
been
able
to
deliver
what
they
expected
to
deliver
each
year
in
the
first
five
years
and
the
second
five
years,
and
that,
if
they
have
the
capacity
to
do
more,
they
can
because
certainly
what
they
can
get.
What
they
can
achieve
in
a
decade
will
make
lasting
and
sustainable
change.
O
O
Scribner
cabe,
who
represents
the
industrial
community,
and
yet
he
brought
forward
with
him
the
folks
from
the
U
of
T
to
tell
us
that,
with
that
addition,
in
the
strategy,
you
really
will
be
encompassing
all
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
for
every
species
in
the
ravine
or
that
should
be
in
the
ravine
strata
that
network
within
our
community.
Within
the
time
frame,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker
Thank
You.
F
Too
rise
in
support
of
the
report
and
recommendations
that
are
before
us
and
I
do
want
to
thank
all
of
the
staff
who
have
been
involved
in
the
development
of
the
ravine
strategy.
I
wish
I
had
brought
the
map
of
Ward
31,
because
I
could
show
all
of
you
and
I'm
sure.
There
are
many
others
who
are
in
the
same
situation
that
I
have
a
massive
greens
wide
green
band.
F
That
goes
right
through
diagonally
through
the
middle
of
the
ward,
and
that
ravine,
which
is
the
Taylor
Park
Taylor
Creek
Park,
is
a
branch
of
the
dawn
and
is
extends
all
the
way
out
then
into
Scarborough.
It
is
an
important
waterway
and
it
is
the
major
green
space
in
my
ward
and
probably
in
other
people's
wards,
but
that
green
space
is
not
just
a
park.
It
is
the
main
location
of
massive
sewer
infrastructure.
It
is
the
same
location
where
we
have
trails
and
we
have
recreational
uses.
F
It's
the
same
space
where
we
have
natural
restoration
going
on
wetlands
and
other
naturally,
and
it's
the
site
of
an
environmentally
sensitive
area.
So
what
we
have
in
the
City
of
Toronto
is
this?
Absolutely
incredible
natural
legacy:
our
ravine
systems
are,
as
I
said,
a
committee,
the
lungs
of
our
city.
They
are
what
make
Toronto
what
it
is
and
are
very
highly
recognized
around
the
world
that
the
City
of
Toronto
is
a
green
city.
So
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
first
priority
is
to
protect
these.
F
It
is
so
loud
in
here
speaker
that
the
first
priority
is:
we
must
protect
the
natural
heritage,
the
ecological
health
of
our
ravines,
and
we
have
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
brings
together
all
of
the
departments
that
have
something
to
do
with
that
ravine
and
so
I'm
very
pleased.
A
few
years
ago,
I
brought
forward
emotion
around
the
Taylor
Creek
Taylor
Massey
Creek
and
the
Taylor
Creek
Park,
asking
that
the
divisions
come
together
and
develop
a
master
plan
for
that
watershed
and
also
a
management
plan
for
that
park,
because
it
is
so
special.
F
So
when
the
natural
this
is
the
steward,
some
of
the
stewardship
groups
would
say
we
want
to
naturalize
this
area
and
others
would
say,
keep
those
picnic
areas.
Manicured
we
didn't
have
a
set
of
priorities
and
we'd
haven't
had
a
process
to
say
these
are
the
uses.
Sometimes
they
conflict
often,
and
how
are
we
going
to
balance
those
interests
and
plan
for
them
in
our
capital
and
operating
budgets?
F
And
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure
those
departments,
parks,
forestry,
Toronto,
water,
transportation,
services,
Toronto
Hydro
who's
in
all
of
our
ravines
as
well,
are
working
in
cooperation
so
that
we
plan
the
work
we're
going
to
do
in
those
ravines
together.
But
for
me
the
most
important
is:
what
do
we
tell
our
residents?
F
And
there
wasn't
any
mechanism
for
making
sure
that
we
at
least
had
a
plan
for
how
those
ravines
were
going
to
be
improved
and
protected,
and
that
the
community
would
be
involved
in
those
decisions,
so
I'm
looking
very
much
forward
to
the
last
stage
of
the
Taylor
Massey
Creek
management
park
management
plan,
where
the
community
will
get
involved
and
I
hope
stay
involved
through
different
supports
for
stewardship
groups,
as
we
finalize
our
plan
and
that
we
do
this
across
all
of
our
watersheds,
the
baseline
work
will
get
done.
The
inventories
have
finally
been
done.
F
K
Thank
you
very
much
ma'am
speaker,
I
do
have
a
motion
I'd
like
the
clerk
to
help
me
put
on
the
screen
the
and
it's
broken
down
into
two
parts.
One.
The
first
motion
is
really
to
to
try
to
develop
a
stronger
policy
and
connect
it
to
the
official
plan
with
respect
to
development,
encroachments
and
impact
on
the
ecological
system.
We
know
as
the
ravine
and
oftentimes
going
to
come
to
shadow
impacts.
There
is
this
sort
of
gray
area,
even
let's
just
call
it
shadows
all
over
the
policy.
K
I
can't
I
can
recall
so
many
times
where
I've
raised
this
with
planning
staff
of
like.
Why
are
we
not
caring
about
the
impact
of
the
ravines
and
shadows
and
and
development?
And
it's
often
times
the
response
has
been.
We
don't
have
enough
in
the
policy
itself,
so
let's,
let's
fix
that
once
and
for
all,
and
make
sure
that
that
policy
gap
is
bridged.
K
The
second
part
of
the
the
motion
is
really
to
ask
that
we
consider
in
the
2018
budget
process
an
actual
regular
maintenance
and
litter
strategy
for
the
ravines
and
the
system
that
we
know
as
sort
of
the
linear
and
connected
green
spaces
of
Toronto.
We
know
that
there
are
endless
endless
acres
of
land
that
are
interconnected
through
the
city
and
some
of
it
we
travel
to
and
some
of
it
we
don't
because
there's
probably
not
proper
pathways,
there's
not
safe
and
improved
access,
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
that
takes
place.
K
So
you
can
build
out
the
infrastructure
to
service
and
maintain
the
ravines.
Well,
we've
noticed
and
they
in
the
areas
that
I'm
in
which
includes
the
rails.
Dale
ravine,
the
yellow
Creek,
the
Mud
Creek,
the
veil
of
Avoca
and
all
the
connective
tissues
there
is
that
there
is
a
enormous
amount
of
debris
that
seems
to
find
its
way
to
the
bottom
of
the
ravine,
and
we
are
hearing
from
staff
is
that
they
don't
have
the
capacity
they
don't
have
the
resources
to
go
clean
it
up
now.
K
I
can't
imagine
that
before
we
go
and
launch
into
this
massive
strategy
on
how
we're
going
to
meet
make
sure
that
capital
investments
are
there,
that
the
baseline
conditions
of
the
ravine
are
going
to
be
ensured
by
adopting
this
overall
strategy
by
going
off
and
and
having
conversations
with
philanthropists
organizations
as
well.
As
you
know,
bringing
the
thought
leaders
to
the
table
to
help
us
guide.
K
Our
policy
I
can't
even
imagine
doing
all
that
work
without
taking
a
look
at
what
we
have
as
a
baseline
connection
today
and
the
baseline
condition
today
is
that
we
have
debris
in
our
ravines.
We
have
people
who
are
living
in
the
ravines.
We
have
a
lot
of
construction,
material
and
building
materials
that
have
fallen
into
the
ravine
and
we've
got
no
way
to
remove
it.
K
So,
if
we're
talking
about
a
baseline
condition,
I'd
like
to
think
that
we
were,
at
the
very
least
madam
Speaker,
being
able
to
keep
our
ravines
in
a
good
state
of
good
state
of
order
and-
and
that
is
at
the
very
least
it
has
to
be
in
the
2018
budget,
and
so
far
as
far
as
I
can
tell.
It
has
not
been
in
the
previous
budgets
of
city
council
adopted
budgets.
So
we
have
to
make
sure
that
that
takes
place.
K
Have
these
conversations
with
philanthropists
organizations
doesn't
matter
what
project,
whether
it's
building
subways
or
perhaps
you
know,
building
stadiums
and
everything
else.
In
between
I,
don't
think,
we've
often
seen
the
private
sector
step
up
the
wheat.
The
way
we
anticipate
them
to,
especially
not
when
we're
into
the
Quantum's
of
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
on
them.
Just
put
that
before
us.
A
Q
You
Madame
speaker,
not
if
the
clerk's
to
put
up
my
motion,
which
is
similar
but
different
than
councillor
Wong,
Tam's
I'm,
requesting
that
city
staff.
Sorry,
that
council
direct
city
staff
to
report
during
the
2018
ravine
strategy
implementation
plan
on
the
funding
required
to
create
and
complete
a
biological
inventory
and
ecological
integrity
report
of
Toronto's
10,000
hectares
of
ravine
system.
Q
Q
That
was
really
the
only
biological
inventory
done
for
the
next
I
would
say.
30
years,
then
we
had
a
gentleman
named
Mark
Heaton
who
worked
for
the
MNR,
who
came
back
30
years
later
three
years
later,
to
do
another
biological
inventory
of
the
Rouge
Marsh
and
unfortunately,
the
results
of
those.
Two
studies
showed
us
that
we
had
lost
the
majority
of
the
species,
richness
and
species
diversity
in
that
marsh
and
that
the
marsh,
as
we
knew
it
30
years
ago,
didn't
exist
anymore.
It
had
become
simplified,
it
had
become
weaker,
it
had
become
poor.
Q
Most
of
us
going
down
to
the
Rouge
Beach,
wouldn't
know
that
you
would
park
your
car.
You
would
look
at
a
wetland,
you
would
go
and
play
volleyball
on
the
beach
and
then
you
would
go.
We
need
these
baseline
studies
to
tell
us.
Are
we
doing
a
good
job?
Are
we
gaining
ground?
Are
we
losing
ground?
I
know?
Q
What's
out.
There
we've
lost
a
lot
already,
but
we
don't
even
know
what
we've
lost,
because
it's
never
been
measured
for
the
vast
majority
of
staff
said
maybe
5%,
maybe
10%
90%
of
our
ravine
systems.
We
don't
know
actually
what's
in
them.
So
when
we
lose
things,
we
don't
know
which
way
we're
going
and
actually
when
we
have
victories
and
we
improve
things,
we
don't
know
which
way
things
are
going.
The
Rouge
National
Parks
had
a
bit
more
attention.
Q
We
now
have
mink
and
otter
in
the
Rouge
National
Park
trumpet
they
didn't
exist
here
when
I
started
out
in
the
roost
30
years
ago,
we
have
black,
bears
now
coming
down
into
the
Rouge
Park
over
to
the
McDonald's
and
unfortunately,
for
the
black
bears.
Sometimes
they
wander
out
of
the
park
and
they
get
shot,
but
for
our
ecological
diversity.
Most
people
didn't
know
whether
those
species
existed
30
or
40
years
ago.
Q
The
Eastern
Bluebird
in
the
roof
park
again
has
me
to
come
back
thanks
to
citizen
action,
putting
a
bluebird
boxes,
something
as
simple
as
that,
but
again,
30
years
ago
we
had
idea
what
was
actually
out
there.
So
I'm,
hoping
with
the
wise
counsel
of
a
couple
of
my
colleagues
that
this
motion
can
be
brought
forward
to
us
put
into
the
report,
and
then
we
as
a
council
can
decide
whether
we
actually
want
to
do
it
or
not.
When
staff
come
forward
with
that
implementation
plan,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
C
A
E
E
The
degree
with
which
we
put
actual
city
dollars
behind
it
will
reflect
the
degree
of
seriousness
I
believe,
because
if
we
don't
fund
this
adequately,
it
will
not
become
a
reality.
These
ravines
in
our
city
provide
the
spines
of
our
city
and
they
come
down
both
of
them
and
they
really
are
the
lifeline
of
our
city
for
supporting
the
rest
of
the
body
of
the
city.
E
The
protection
of
this
resource
is
tantamount
to
keeping
the
city
as
healthy
as
it
is,
so
we
need
to
get
it
right.
I
saw
the
schoolchildren
here
today
from
human
and
I
would
never
think
that
they
would
pollute
ravines
the
way
I've
seen
the
adult
population,
throw
their
old,
toilets
sinks
and
household
renovation
materials
down
our
ravines.
You
and
I
speaker
we've
seen
it
all.
It's
disgusting
thank
God.
The
education
system
has
changed
to
one
in
which
the
schoolchildren
are
taught,
how
to
reinvent
and
recycle
and
protect
our
natural
environment,
and
they
get
at
school.
E
Children
get
it.
So
that's
half
the
battle
one.
We
have
some
of
the
oldest
vegetation
in
North
America.
In
our
ravine
system.
They
are
pristine,
they
are
majestic
and
we
ought
to
be
extremely
proud
of
them
because
they
are
life-giving
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
the
Toronto
and
region
Conservation
Authority
staff
are
here
and
Carolyn
woodland.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming.
We
are
at
the
conservation
authority
absolutely.
E
Tied
to
the
strategy-
and
in
fact
it
was
on
the
agenda
last
week
as
an
information
item
and
I
understand
it's
going
to
be
coming
back
for
more
input
and
I.
Welcome
that,
because
this
is
a
good
start,
I
don't
believe
this
is
the
final
outcome
that
any
of
us
want.
It
is
a
wake-up
call,
but
we
need
to
do
a
lot
more
and
in
that
vein,
I
would
urge
you
to
support
councilor
to
bear
makers
motion.
Thank
you.
N
N
That
appeared
at
executive
committee,
put
forward
the
internationally
recognized
concept
of
ecological
integrity
to
measure
the
state
and
health
of
ravines
using
science
and
doing
the
research
based
on
the
developing
a
baseline
information
in
it
to
address
the
capacity
of
the
city
and
its
partners
to
get
the
work
done
and
then,
lastly,
incorporating
the
Ontario
invasive
species
act
into
the
strategy,
so
I
think
those
are
all
great
amendments
to
what
is
already
in
play.
I
also,
you
know
they
talked
a
lot
at
executive
about
the
green
desert
and
I
thought.
N
That
was
an
interesting
comparator
or
analogy.
I
also
say
this:
that
I
think
this
is
a
big
job
and
when
the
government
cannot
do
this
alone,
we
need
to
partner
with
as
many
stakeholders
as
possible,
whether
it's
private
sector
volunteers,
corporate
partners,
we
need
to
do
it
together
and
I
always
like
to
give
a
shout
out
to
mark
Cullen
who's,
a
real
champion
and
very
in
tune
with
the
value
of
trees
and
I.
N
Finally,
it
is
now
happening
and
they
gather
there
on
Fridays
to
do
it
to
do
a
little
bit
of
civic
engagement
and
play
their
part,
so
I
I,
don't
think
everything's
about
money
and
staff.
I
think
this
is
about
direction
and
guidance,
and
it
concerns
me
when
I
hear
some
of
my
colleagues
saying
you
know
we
need
this.
We
need
that
I
think
we
have
a
pathway
forward,
I
think
it's
very
exciting
I
think
staff
have
done
excellent
work
and
I
think
we
can
do
a
lot
of
this
with
what
we
already
have.
E
So
the
good
things
I
like
about
it
are
our
ravine
leaders,
the
working
groups,
the
ravine
trusts,
so
we
can
compile
funding
and
we
can
get
creative
in
our
revenue
sources
with
philanthropy
and
looking
at
conservancies
things
like
that,
which
is
what
we're
going
to
need
to
do
and
sorry
counselor
fruits.
That
I
can't
hear
sorry.
E
Also
the
all
the
outreach,
the
phenomenal
outreach
to
key
stakeholders
and
their
input
and
involvement
and
I'll
tell
you,
people
all
across
our
city
love
our
ravines.
They
are
unique
to
Toronto,
probably
the
most
unique
ecosystem,
I
would
say
ravines
in
ravine
ecosystem
in
the
world,
and
so
we
have
people
philanthropists
like
Ken
Tannenbaum,
very
much
involved.
E
We
had
Park
people,
we
had
evergreen
all
kinds
of
partnerships,
which
is
what
we
need
to
look
at
and
evergreen
did
a
phenomenal
job
celebrating
our
ravines
the
other
weekend
with
ravine
days
weekend
and
the
opening
of
the
Lord
on
trail,
which
I've
encourage
you
to
go
to.
This
is
probably
one
of
the
best
cases
of
city
staff,
not
working
in
silos
and
showing
disputing
that
myth
and
showing
everyone
across
Toronto
how
they
we
can
all
work
together
and
I
said
this
at
executive
committee
was
phenomenal.
E
One
of
our
think-tank
workshops
where
jennipher
kismet
was
a
little
bit
late,
so
JD
romoff
did
her
slide
presentation
for
her
and
then
Jennifer
did
Janie's,
so
they
both
can
even
though
they're
different
departments,
they
both
know
this
policy
so
well.
This
works
so
well
that
they
can
just
cover
for
each
other,
and
you
had
Luda
Geronimo
working
together
with
Jennifer
keys,
not
with
Janie,
would
Barbara
gray
and
everyone
working
for
the
for
the
greater
good.
The
other
reason
why
our
ravine
strategy
is
so
important.
E
Of
course,
we
know
what's
going
on
down
south
with
all
the
horrific
storms,
hurricanes,
flooding
all
that
situation.
So
it's
it's
moving
us
forward
with
our
climate
change
adaptation
with
resiliency
and
and
furthering
our
transform
tÃo
ideas.
So
we
are
very
lucky,
as
I
said
again,
to
have
the
ravines.
We
need
to
protect
them,
appreciate
them
and
everyone
go
out
and
enjoy
them
and
and
put
something
in
your
newsletter
to
remind
your
residents
about
our
ravines
and
to
get
out
there.
E
P
P
We
must
make
sure
that
we
protect
them
by
continuing
to
remove
the
invasive
species.
Community
groups
are
great
with
this.
I
have
an
amazing
group
in
High
Park,
who,
every
week
they're
out
there
removing
the
invasive
species,
but
then
also
what
they're
doing
is
planting
native
plants
which
they
are
growing
in
the
greenhouses
former
seeds.
They
gather
from
the
park
as
well,
so
they
work
very
well
with
city
and
park
staff
and
that's
great,
so
you've
got
community
groups
working
with
our
staff.
P
We
must-
and
we
are
also
very
aware
that
thousands
thousands
of
people
use
our
ravines
for
all
different
sorts
of
activities,
whether
it's
just
walking
whether
it's
riding
a
bike,
whether
it's
running
your
dog,
some
of
them
are
using
mountain
bikes
in
places
they
should
in
places
they
shouldn't,
but
we
have
to
balance
how
our
residents
use
these
ravines
and
make
sure
that
we
do
preserve
them
for
our
future
generation.
We
must
also
preserve
the
areas
which
are
esa
s
environmentally
sensitive
areas.
We
must
do
that
because
they
will
hold
plants
which
are
in
danger.
P
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
look
after
them,
particularly
when
we
have
new
development
coming
in
again.
I
have
hi
parks,
alpha
blur
I,
have
major
development
coming
in
north
of
Bloor,
and
residents
want
to
make
sure
that
our
Park
and
our
ravines
are
protected.
So,
as
these
developments
come
in
is
not
just
looking
at
a
building,
these
buildings
could
be
blocking
off
under
underground
rivers.
Hidden
rivers
that
will
affect
how
our
ravines
work
when
there's
a
stream
running
through
it.
P
R
A
R
A
R
Okay,
I
can
I
can
read
it
out
sure
that
City
Council
requests
the
general
manager
Parks,
forcing
recreation
to
incorporate
a
plan
so
not
remove
the
word
consider
to
incorporate
a
plan
to
connect
the
Humber,
River
Trail
south
of
highway
401
to
the
existing
trail
at
the
Humber,
River
and
cephalic
throw
so.
The
reason
I
asked
that
speaker
is
is
that
you
may
know
that
that,
in
our
a
trail
system
and
in
our
park
system,
we
have
had
a
connection
of
that
trail.
R
It
becomes
a
report
that
actually,
where
we
actually
go
in
and
do
some
of
the
things
we
say
we're
going
to
do,
because
our
ravine
system
is
absolutely
a
precious
and
so
in
very
many
ways,
and
one
of
the
precious
elements
of
our
ravine
system
is
how
Iran
Toni
ins
can
actually
access
in
a
continuous
way
our
park
system
and
enjoy
that
park
system.
It
is
an
oasis
in
the
middle
of
what
otherwise
is
a
very
busy
urban
environment
and
it's
absolutely
wonderful.
R
Its
speaker
often
I
ride
my
bike
down
in
the
ravine
system
and
I
see
people
sitting
on
park
benches
renewing
relationships,
it's
a
wonderful
place
where
all
kinds
of
things
are
always
flowering
so
and-
and
all
my
motion
does
all
my
motion
does
speaker-
is
simply
ask
our
staff
to
look
at
a
trail
connection
that
is
broken
at
Humber.
There's
a
trail
that
come
that
sort
of
begins
up
at
Roundtree.
R
R
It's
probably
you
know
four
in
the
neighborhood
of
three
four
hundred
meters,
maybe
even
less
in
the
ravine
system,
to
make
that
connection,
because
otherwise
you
have
to
come
out
of
the
ravine,
basically
you're
out
on
Weston
Road
in
a
very
busy
area
and
it's
a
real
real,
broken
link
where
that
that
really
breaks
it
up
for
for
folks
who
want
to
who
want
to
enjoy
that
part
of
the
the
ravine
system.
So
we
have
had
a
plan
in
the
books
now
for
the
longest
time.
I
don't
know
longer
than
I've
been
here.
R
The
last
one
was
during
our
panem
during
our
our
PanAm
conversations
where,
where
that
link
would
be
part
of
the
PanAm
funding,
would
be
part
of
the
PanAm
legacy
where
we
there
would
be
confronted
in
the
system
and
as
you
can
see,
if
you
google
it
today
or
if
you
happen
to
to
ride
your
bike
or
take
a
walk,
you
will
find
that
that
link
has
not
been
made.
I
understand
that
it
is
somewhat
complex,
but
but
we
have
been
known
to
take
complex
and
make
it
very,
very
simple,
very,
very
easy.
R
We've
done
that
on
so
many
occasions
and
I
believe
that
we
can
take
complex
and
make
it
easy
here
as
well.
So
all
my
motion
does
is
simply
ask
our
staff
to
come
back.
Let
us
know
how
they
can
take
complex,
simplify
in
a
way
that
makes
that
link
available
to
Torontonians
to
be
able
to
enjoy
as
we
move
forward.
R
R
J
Thank
you,
speaker,
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
the
broken
link
I
was
I
was
on
their
own
Saturday
and
I'm,
trying
to
picture
where
the
missing
I
wonder.
If
the
counselor
could
elaborate
a
little
bit
better
I
know
the
Golf
Course
is
there?
Is
it
the
golf
course?
That's
that's.
The
gap
are
you're
proposing
to
buy
a
golf
course,
so
we
can
put
the
trail
through
or
what
is
it?
That's
missing,
yeah
so.
R
J
R
I
believe
it's
in
the
plan
in
in
that
it's
something
that
they've
always
intended
to
build
and
to
achieve
it's
not
in
the
plan
in
in
that
it's
the
connection
currently
doesn't
exist
today,
but
it's
always
been
on
the
books
and
in
the
plan
to
do
I've
always
been
told
that
it's
in
there
to
do
and
how
you
do
it.
That's
the
that's
the
question
mark
so.
R
Because
it's
it's
very
much
part
of
the
connectivity
component
of
the.
So,
if
you
look
at
the
ravine
strategy,
it
invert
it.
It
deals
with
lots
of
different
elements
and
I
know
that
you've
looked
at
it
and
one
of
those
elements
is
is
under
the
title:
connectivity,
how
you
connect
these
things
and
how
you
connect
these
trail
systems
and
and
in
other
uses,
and
and
that's
what
my
motion
seeks
to
do
as
part
of
that
that
work
to
basically
bring
back
a
report
that
speaks
to
how
we
may
take
this.
R
E
R
Been
speaking
to
city
staff,
about
about
connecting
that
trail
for
the
last
11
years,
very
directly,
I've
met
with
them
on
on
a
number
of
occasions,
I
believe
I
also
spoke
to
former
current
councillor
heart
when
he
was
a
general
manager
at
the
parks
department.
I
raised
that
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
at
the
Toronto
and
region,
Conservation
Authority,
where
our
staff
made
a
presentation
on
this
very
report
and
I
raised
it
with
them.
Then
I
asked
the
questions
about
the
connections
and
the
connectivity.
R
Absolutely
it's
been
something
that's
been.
It's
been
ongoing
and
just
continue
to
ring
the
bell
on
the
same
issue,
a
counselor
as
you
as
you
do
the
same
on
many
others,
and
you
ring
it
to
the
point
where,
where
people
get
fed
up
with
hearing
it
and
they
make
it
happen,
they
they
say,
here's
how
we
can
make
on
flex
and
make
it
simple
did.
R
You
know
what
you
know,
what
better
late
than
never
I'm,
currently
speaking
to
the
chair
of
parks,
right
here
in
the
flora
council
and
I'm
saying
to
the
chair
parks.
This
is
such
an
important
element
in
terms
of
connecting
the
Humber
trail
from
sort
of
the
northwest
limits
of
the
city
right
down
to
the
bridge.
I
think
it's
called
the
Trudeau
bridge.
Is
it
called
the
Trudeau
bridge
or
Pearson
bridge?
What's
the
bridge
called?
Oh,
it's
called
the
Humber
Bridge,
so
you
take
it
from
steals.
R
R
A
C
You,
madam
chair,
through
you
to
to
the
member
glorification
of
the
motion,
and
then
certainly
I
might
be
out
of
water
here
in
the
chair,
might
but
I.
Don't
think
that
you
need
to
have
somebody's
permission
to
put
a
motion
forward.
Am
I
correct
in
this
I.
Don't
think
you
can
put
a
motion
without
having
to
consult
anybody
else
in
this
room.
That's
your
counts.
A
C
R
C
R
R
So
my
motion
basically
is
asking
our
staff
as
part
of
the
ravine
strategy,
as
they
come
back
with
more
determined
plans
about
how
they
achieve
some
of
the
objectives
that
they
talked
about
in
the
report:
visa
Vee
erosion,
visa
Vee.
You
know
a
controlling
invasive
species
visa,
be
making
our
trail
system
and
are
in
our
park
system
better
connected
so
that
Torontonians
can
better
enjoy
this
ravine
oasis.
That
runs
right
through
the
sort
of
the
the
middle
of
the
city
and
and
I
did
raise.
R
A
H
R
They're,
as
you
know,
the
report
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
the
recommendations
which
I
don't
have
right
in
front
of
me
right
now.
They
are
basically
speak
to
in
general
terms
on
how
we
develop
a
ravine
strategy,
and
then
one
of
the
recommendations
is
that
staff
in
2018
come
back
to
us
with
more
debt,
more
finite
plans
on
how
they
will
achieve
many
of
the
objectives
they
outline
in
the
report.
So
one
of
those
objectives
in
the
report
is
is
under
the
the
headline,
the
connectivity,
so
how
we
make
these
connections.
R
So
what
my
motion
would
do
is
as
part
of
that,
so
when
they
bring
back
those
those
plans
bring
blank
a
plan
on
how
we
can
take
this
other
complex
connection.
That's
why
I've
been
told
that
hasn't
been
created
for
many
many
years
while
it's
on
the
books
take
complex,
simplify
it
and
show
us
how
that
connection
may
actually
be
built
so
that
Torontonians
seeking
to
enjoy
our
ravine
system
can
do
so
continuously
from
steals
to
the
lake
without
having
to
come
out
on
to
Weston
Road.
At
six
points,
Plaza
you're
asking
this.
H
R
R
H
Madam
Speaker,
thank
you
and
I'll.
Try
not
to
take
too
long
and
just
beginning
by
saying
thank
you
to
the
staff,
and
that
includes
a
staff
president
past,
because
I
think
there's.
This
has
been
a
long
road
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
presence
they
could
have
the
contributions
of
the
staff
that
are
here
as
well
in
particular,
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Jennifer
Keyes
Matt,
who
I
know,
take
a
keen
interest
in
this
when
she
was
the
executive
director
of
planning.
I
want
to
thank
the
councilors.
H
A
number
of
them
over
time
have
had
this
as
something
that's
very
dear
to
their
hearts,
and
then
there's
organizations
like
the
TRC,
a
water
which
you
might
not
have
thought
of
being
a
directly
involved,
but
they
have
been
and
I
think
what
we
have
here
and
I
want
to
speak
to
this,
because
I
think
it's
very
very
important.
Every
time
we
do
something
like
this.
H
The
first
thing
you
have
to
do
is
come
up
with
a
strategy
and
I
think
the
strategy
that
has
been
developed
here
protect
and
best
connect,
partner
and
celebrate
I
mean
to
summarize
under
the
headings,
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
You
cannot
implement
properly.
You
cannot
even
prioritize
properly
and
I'll
come
back
to
that
word
without
a
strategy
that
sets
forth
what
it
is
you're
trying
to
do
in
strategic
terms
and
that
and
the
staff
and
the
others
involved,
all
the
partners.
I'll
call
them
in
the
ravine
strategy
have
done
that.
H
Then
we
come
to
a
word
that
seems
to
just
I.
Don't
know
strike
fear
into
people's
hearts
around
here,
because
every
time
it's
it's
deemed
to
be
some
giant
conspiracy
to
avoid
doing
things,
but
certainly
my
own
experience
of
you
know
implementing
lots
of
strategies
over
time
in
business,
and
it
doesn't
matter
whether
you're
at
a
business
or
government
or
a
nonprofit
organization.
Is
you
have
to
have
a
the
framework
that
we're
asking
for
in
these
recommendations
to
implement
this
strategy?
There
has
to
be
a
prioritization.
The
first
question
I
got
asked
in
an
interview.
H
H
Do
a
fear,
not
I
think
this
is
an
important
priority.
I
think
the
vote
on
this
is
going
to
show.
The
council
believes
it's
an
important
priority.
I'm
encouraged
already
at
the
fact
that
there
are
some
funds,
some
funds
that
are
set
aside
in
different
places
and
I'm,
going
to
mention
that
point
in
a
moment
to
get
some
of
this
work
done.
So
it's
not
as
if
we're
waiting
for
dollar
number
one
to
get
on
with
doing
this,
once
we've
prioritized,
but
I
think
we
have
to
find
the
rest
of
it
and
I.
Think
again.
H
So
we
know
how
much
we
have
to
work
with,
how
much
more
we
have
to
get
and
what
we're
going
to
do
with
it.
The
next
thing
I
want
to
just
mention
is-
and
it
fits
within
that,
although
we
can't
rely
on
them
alone,
I
want
to
say
that
upfront,
because
people
again
get
suspicious
and
start
wringing
their
hands.
I
think
this
idea
of
the
partnership
with
the
ravine
leaders
is
fabulous.
H
I
think
the
more
we
can
engage
people
foundations,
wealthy
people
corporations
on
acceptable
terms
to
us,
but
engage
them
in
something
like
this,
which
is,
let's
face
it
a
place
where
there's
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
visible
recognition
for
them,
they're
doing
it
because
they
believe
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
for
the
city
and
for
their
children
and
grandchildren.
I
think
it's
fantastic.
H
What
I
hear
the
amounts
that
makes
me
want
to
weep
that
they've
attracted
to
places
like
Millennium
Park
and
the
Central
Park
Conservancy,
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
from
people
who
say
yeah,
there's
something
I
really
want
to
help
with
my
money,
because
it's
about
the
future
and
it's
a
bow,
the
sort
of
very
soul
of
this
city.
It's
a
vote.
It's
connected
arteries,
it's
about
a
part
of
its
natural
history.
So
to
me
you
know
the
ravine
leaders,
part
of
the
recommendation
is
crucial,
but
not
alone,
I
mean.
H
In
other
words,
they
expect
us
to
step
up
and
they
will
support
us
and
then
finally,
I
will
just
say
that
the
last
thing
to
mention
is
that
the
implementation
plan
that's
called
for
in
this
report-
is
coming
to
us
in
2018,
not
2023
or
2025
2018,
and
my
view
will
be
to
pass
it
after
we've
discussed
it
and
to
get
on
with
it
and
I
want
to
just
say
in
that
spirit,
I
will
be
supporting
both
the
counts.
They're
wrong.
H
Tam's
motion
I'm,
particularly
attracted
to
the
second
paragraph,
which
deals
with
the
maintenance
of
it,
because
I
think
that's
a
failing.
We
have
now
where
we
have
the
ravines
already
and
we're
not
properly
maintaining
them,
and
if
that
costs
us
the
money
to
do
it
better
and
I,
don't
quite
fully
understand
the
implications
of
all
of
what
counts
are
Jubair
makers.
Motion
does
but
I
think
to
know.
What's
there
in
terms
of
biological
inventory
is
sensible,
so
I
will
support
those
motions.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank.
A
You
now
before
we
vote
in
counts
of
Prusa
I,
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
moving
the
motion
in
my
ward,
but
I'm
gonna
have
to
rule
that
out
of
order,
because
this
is
transportation
and
actually
this
work
we
have,
we
were
doing
the
work
it
was
approved
a
few
years
ago
and
a
lot
of
us
private
property.
So
the
city
staff
is
part
of
the
report,
so
this
motion
is
redundant.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I'm
moving
this
out
of
order,
no
I
do
want
to
challenge
me
want
to
challenge
me.
G
R
R
A
A
F
I
I
And
I'm
not
sure
about
Oh
right
over
here,
so
I'm,
just
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
because
I
believe
there's
a
little
confusion
in
people's
minds
that
when
we
vote
and
say
here's
this
many
million
for
X
that
somehow
that
that
it's
either
shovel-ready
or
all
the
approvals
have
happened.
Can
you
just
explain
that
what
the
what
the
sequencing
is
for
an
affordable
housing
in
the
city?
Please,
mr.
Kent
thank.
S
You
very
much
councillor
for
the
question
through
the
chair.
The
item
before
you
is
related
to
the
provincial
lands
program
and
the
Ontario
government
is
going
out
with
a
call
and
has
gone
out
to
the
call
to
the
nonprofit
and
private
housing
sectors
to
develop
these
lands,
which
were
first
set
aside
in
1989
and
with
a
call
that
30
percent
of
the
units
to
be
developed
be
affordable
with
the
remainder
being
purpose-built
rental
housing.
This
is
the
beginning
of
the
process,
but
to
create
certainty
for
the
nonprofit
and
private
sector
organisations
that
will
build
here.
S
The
city
is
doing
something
unusual,
but
a
good
thing
is
being
recommended
that
you
pre
approve
what
the
city's
incentives
are,
so
that
in
bringing
forward
a
business
plan
for
the
development,
these
units
will
go
forward.
This
is
the
beginning
of
the
process
and
we
would
expect
that
there
would
be
shovels
in
the
ground
within
about
a
year
and
a
half
so.
I
S
I
I
Just
to
be
clear,
we're
pre
approving
some
incentives
and
then
somebody's
going
to
be.
When
that
we
awarded,
though
that
contract
and
then
there
will
be
a
development
proposal
that
will
have
to
be
submitted
and
go
through
whatever
is
required
there
at
least
site
plan
for
sure
or
if
it
needs
any
variations
in
the
Planning
Act.
And
then
only
then
will
there
actually
be
something
built.
That's.
S
Correct
counselor
I
will
say,
though,
in
the
partnership
with
the
Ontario
government.
The
Ontario
government
has
specified
specifically
what
the
built
form
will
be
for
that
community
in
the
West
on
lands
such
that
it
will
be.
It
will
essentially
be
required
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
precent
plan
that
councils
already
approved
so.
I
S
I
S
K
Very
much
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
staff
regarding
the
affordability
period,
for
the
properties
that
are
that
are
in
them
of
interest.
Today.
Can
you
explain
to
us
the
the
limitation?
That's
a
that's
a
fixed
by
date,
so,
for
example,
West
Don
lands.
The
affordability
period
is
49
years,
the
Grosvenor
Grenville
site
it's
40
years.
What
happens
after
on
the
fiftieth
year
in
the
41st
year.
S
Council
councillor,
the
affordability
period
is
established
based
on
the
incentives
available
in
the
West
Don
lands.
In
particular,
it
had
been
determined
because
of
it
being
a
large
site
through
the
cities,
large
sites
policy
that
that
housing
was
required
to
be
affordable
in
perpetuity,
and
so
that's
why
the
province
of
Ontario,
according
to
the
city's
large
sites
policy,
has
done
that
in
the
case
of
the
Granville
Grosvenor
site.
S
The
affordability
is
40
years,
but,
as
you
are
aware,
the
province
of
Ontario
has
now
extended
rent
controls
on
all
rental
housing,
which
means
then,
that
a
person
who
would
be
in
a
unit
in
40
years
from
now
as
long
as
they're
there,
that
housing
would
continue
to
be
covered
by
rent
control
and
affordable
for
them.
So
it
in
fact
could
be
affordable
for
50
or
60
years,
but.
K
In
the
absence
of
the
large
site
policy,
which
doesn't
apply
to
Grenville
Grosvenor-
and
it
won't
apply
to
a
large
number
of
downtown
potential
sites
for
for
affordable
housing,
then
then
the
very
best
we
can
do
has
a
has
a
time
expiration
to
it.
So
in
this
case,
it's
40
years
plus
a
day,
maybe
50
years
with
rent
control
and
but
I
know
that
there
have
been
other
sites
where
we've
been
able
to
capture,
maybe
20
years
of
affordability
or
perhaps
10
years
of
mid-range
affordability,
which
is
not
really
affordable
at
all.
K
S
Typically,
it
would
be
to
give
up
more
value
associated
with
the
land.
As
you
are
aware,
the
province
of
Ontario
will
be
taking
less
than
market
value
on
the
Granville
Grosvenor
site
and
one
option
as
well,
and
what
is
being
done
in
the
West
Don
lands
is
the
land
rather
than
being
sold,
is
being
leased
for
50
years
initially,
so
that
the
buildings
in
the
land
ultimately
returned
to
the
province
of
Ontario.
S
K
In
the
case
of
Grenville
Grosvenor,
just
hypothetically
the
the
land
will
be
conveyed,
so
the
deed
is
going
to
be
transferred
to
a
for
a
non-profit
developer.
But
it
sounds
to
me
there's
only
30
percent
of
that
housing
that
will
be
affordable
housing
for
a
limited
period
of
time.
70
percent
is
going
to
be
market,
valued,
driven
housing
correct.
K
S
So
castle,
let
me
just
take
you
back
a
moment:
if
I
could
this
site
about
a
year
and
a
half
was
on
the
private
market
in
the
Ontario
government
was
selling
it
for
a
condominium
through
advocacy
that
was
done
by
yourself
as
well
as
the
mayor
and
other
members
of
council.
The
province
of
Ontario
has
had
a
change
of
mind
and
their
fair
housing
plan
this
spring.
S
They
took
this
site
out
of
a
market
process
and
have
put
it
forward
to
be
entirely
a
purpose-built
rental
housing
building
with
30%
of
the
units
to
be
affordable,
one
two
and
three-bedroom
units,
and
that's
essentially
where
we've
come
in
terms
of.
If
you
will
the
best-case
scenario,
could
we
have
done
better,
perhaps
but,
relatively
speaking,
this
is
a
big
win
to
get
a
purpose-built
rental
housing
building
with
30%,
affordable
in
downtown
Toronto,
recognizing.
K
S
Typically,
though,
the
sites
have
all
their
own
unique
characteristics,
their
own
market
values,
and
we
also
have
to
be
sensitive
as
to
what
can
be
built.
So
it's
sort
of
a
combination
of
factors
that
makes
a
kind
of
recommendation
as
to
whether
it's
a
sale
or
a
lease.
In
this
case,
the
province
of
Ontario
decided
to
proceed
with
the
sale
Thank.
S
B
S
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Counselor
we've
gone
to
a
fair
amount
of
planning
with
the
province
of
Ontario
to
make
sure
that,
within
the
building
that
we
have
different,
affordable
rates,
some
at
the
CMHC
average,
but
also
some
at
80
percent
of
the
sea
meets
the
average
and
some
even
down
at
forty
percent
of
the
sea,
makes
the
average
so
you're
actually
getting
a
mix
of
residents
within
the
affordable
categories.
Yep.
Thank
you.
S
C
S
Province
of
Ontario
describes
themselves
as
being
agnostic
as
to
whether
the
group
that
is
chosen
is
private
or
nonprofit.
What
they're
looking
for
is
a
great
project
and
a
project
that
an
organization
is
able
to
both
design,
develop
and
operate
so
they're,
basically
looking
for,
if
you
will
the
best
proponent
possible,
regardless
of
whether
it's
nonprofit
or
private,
so.
C
I
think
somehow
I
think
it
matters,
because
if
it's
a
not-for-profit
provider,
that's
building
it
I
would
think
that
the
affordable
units
would
be
would
provide
better
value
than
if
it's
a
for-profit
provider
where
that
is
that
not
a
fair
assumption,
because
if
somebody
comes
in
and
they're
they're
a
for-profit
provider
and
they
have
to
make
their
money
on
1400
units,
something
has
got
to
give
I
would
think
at
the
backend
for
the
other,
affordable
units.
Is
that
or
these
all
standardized
units,
or
what
you
taught
me
you
talk
about
that
no.
S
A
C
C
Market
they
still
pay.
Oh
absolutely!
Yes,
of
course
they
pay
everything,
the
building,
permit
fees,
planning
fees,
development
charges
and
property;
okay,
okay,
and
so
so,
how
do
we
know?
How
do
we
know
that
this
is
a
great
deal
from
a
money
standpoint
like,
in
other
words,
we're
getting?
As
many
you
had
said,
you
had
confidence
in
the
number.
How
do
we
know
that
we're
getting
you
know
as
many
units
as
councillor
wong-tam
pointed
out
for
as
many
years
as
possible.
S
J
A
O
Thanks,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
refresh
my
memory
as
to
the
the
the
open-door
housing
program
to
begin
with.
Maybe
mr.
Gannon
can
refresher
a
because
I'm
hearing
questions,
there's
a
disappointment
that
this
is
affordable
rental
units,
but
that
is
actually
what
the
open
door
program
actually
wanted.
Is
it
not
we're
getting?
O
What
we
wanted,
because
was,
is
the
principle
not
that
that
if
we
start
to
include
affordable,
we
eventually
are
freeing
up
what
is
the
actual
rent
gear
to
income
capacity
that
we
already
have
where,
where
we're
keeping
people
from
having
to
join
the
social
housing
list
and
we're
removing
some
people
who
could
move
for
market
value
in
social
housing
to
an
affordable
rent
situation?
Was
that
not
our
goal
to
begin
with,
counselor.
S
You're
correct
on
that
front,
when
we
presented
the
open
door
program
to
council
in
December
of
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
right.
This
is
what
council
approved
and
I
brought
in
front
of
Council
at
the
time,
what
the
income
levels
of
a
family
that
would
move
into
an
affordable
official
plan
defined
unit
in
the
city
and
it
on
average
you're
looking
at
an
income
of
no
more
than
$40,000
right.
That's
what
we're
talking
about!
O
And
if
we
were
to
that
which
might
could
be
indexed
at
some
point
or
another,
but
that's
that's
where
that's
the
base
we're
starting
from-
and
this
is
also
at
a
ratio
of
70%
market
value
to
achieving
30%.
If
we
were
to
do
this
through
through
zoning
and
requirement
through
through
that,
you
know,
our
vision
of
inclusionary
zoning
we'd
still
be
looking
at
similar
ratios
am
I.
Am
I,
am
I
right
in
that?
Well,.
S
O
F
D
From
a
from
a
planning
perspective,
depending
on
what
approvals
are
needed,
a
more
complex
application
if
it
needed
zoning
approvals,
subdivision
approvals,
site
plan,
approval
could
be
9
to
18
months,
depending
on
the
complexity
of
the
of
the
process
and
the
site,
then
you
have
to
move
into
a
design.
Detailed
design,
phase,
tendering
phase
and
construction.
You've
got
four
to
five
years,
probably
from
very
beginning
to
very
end.
So.
F
D
F
F
And
the
reason
why
you're
counting
this
project
as
part
of
the
open
door
is
because
you're
actually
allocating
27
million
dollars
of
financial
incentives
towards
this
project,
so
you
actually
have
to
account
for
that
money.
So
you
have
to
count
these
units
this
year
as
they're
getting
approved
towards
our
target.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
F
We
are
actually
counting
these
units
because
this
council
meeting
will
be
approved,
approving
27
million
dollars
of
incentives
at
a
phase
that
actually
we
need
to
create
some
certainty,
as
people
are
putting
together
their
performers,
as
people
are
conceptualizing
this
project,
where
you
can
actually
affect
the
change
and
create
the
affordable
housing
you're,
giving
that
certainty
to
the
sector,
but
at
the
same
time
we
as
a
city
have
to
account
for
them.
So
we
don't
award
this
money
to
anybody
else.
Now.
S
L
C
C
Basically,
it's
saying
you're
talking,
but
you're
not
doing
and
I
think
we're
doing
a
lot
more
than
we
are
talking
about
it
because
I
stand
up
at
every
meeting
and
although
I
give
out
the
numbers
over
here,
the
programs
in
front
of
us
I
think
are
absolutely
terrific.
So
when
it
comes
to
processing
an
application
for
affordable
housing,
can
you
just
give
me
a
brief
outline
of
what
you're
doing
now
and
if
you
are
trying
to
expedite
those
well.
D
D
Gardens
unit
is
to
develop
our
position
on
a
planning
on
the
planning
parameters
of
those
sites
in
advance,
working
with
the
proponents
of
those
of
those
projects
getting
as
much
of
that
legwork
done
in
advance
so
that
when
they
come
in
to
actually
file
their
applications,
everybody's
got
a
very
clear
expectation
of
what
is
in
the
realm
of
possibility.
And
then,
of
course,
we
take
it
through
the
planning
approval
process
and
coordinated
with
our
other
divisions,
to
get
all
the
technical
requirements
and
get
it
back
to
City
Council
for
approval
as
quickly
as
possible.
D
C
D
And
I
think
I
think
the
the
extra
effort
here
is
about
the
work
that's
done
before
the
applications
are
made
so,
for
example,
on
Granville
Grosvenor,
we've
already
had
some
good
work
done
on
what
the
built
form
parameters
might
be
supportable
for
that
site
and
that
information
gets
conveyed
to
the
marketplace,
so
that
marketplace
has
a
good
idea
of
what
is
supportable
and
what
isn't
and
then
going
forward
that
prevents
the
endless
loops
that
can
sometimes
occur
when
a
proposal
is
made.
That
is
not
in
keeping
with
a
planning
framework.
That's
supportable.
So
mr.
C
Gavin
I
guess
similar
question
because
we're
dealing
now
with
these
properties
in
particular
that
the
640
ental
housing
units
are
we
working
in
advance
and
does
your
office
and
City
Planning
coordinate
well
to
try
and
get
the
these
proposals
moving,
and
in
this
case,
what?
How
are
we
going
to
be
moving
forward
with
this
particular
item,
the
600
of
all
housing
rental
homes.
S
The
answer
to
your
point
in
advance
that
Planning
Department
my
office
have
worked
with
infrastructure.
Ontario
infrastructure
Ontario
is
responsible
for
putting
out
the
call
for
these
lands
and
we've
essentially
given
them
the
criteria
that
will
apply
for
that
project.
So
I
would
say
the
coordination
frankly
at
this
point
is
unprecedented
and.
C
K
K
A
level
of
frustration
and
I
know
it's
important
for
it
for
us
to
to
applaud
the
good
work
when
it's
done,
and
certainly
we
should,
but
the
same
time
recognize
that
this
was
just
one
incremental
move,
and
the
incremental
move,
of
course,
is
the
fact
that
the
West
online
had
already
been
earmarked
for
affordable
housing.
It's
good
that,
where
we
get
to
announce
it
again,
but
with
respect
to
Grenville
and
Grosvenor,
which
is
the
the
more
Glenn's
as
you
will
recognize
them
in
war
27.
K
So
that's
my
community
for
four
and
a
half
years,
I've
been
working
with
with
Sean
and
and
councillor
by
Lao
on
trying
to
make
sure
that
that
particular
parcel
of
land
that
was
right
in
the
heart
of
the
city
is
that
we
knew
that
the
province
had
intentions
to
dispose
of
it,
and
the
province
had
already
indicated
that
they
wanted
to
sell
it,
and
they
wanted
to
do
so
by
severing
the
land.
And
so
the
background
story
here
is
that
it
wasn't
necessarily
an
easy
move
to
go
forward
and
say
now.
K
30%
is
gonna,
be
affordable,
housing
that
was
four
and
a
half
years
of
advocacy,
where
I've
written
letters
to
several
different
ministers
of
a
housing
administers
at
the
province.
Letting
them
know
that
my
community
of
just
south
of
the
university
of
trowel
lands,
just
off
of
Bay
Street,
is
that
we
were
very
interested
in
taking
that
asset,
that
provincial
asset
and
turning
it
into
affordable
housing,
and
we
were
welcoming
affordable
housing
in
this
neighborhood
and
and
even
with
with
the
intention
of
wanting
to
do
that,
it
was
quiet
for
a
very,
very,
very
long
time.
K
So,
of
course,
I'm
gonna
be
more
than
welcoming
of
this
announcement,
but
it
should
be
noted
is
that
it
didn't
come
necessarily
easily
for
the
province.
We
basically
had
to
chip
away
and
raise
our
hand
and
said
before
you
dispose.
You
know,
think
twice.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something
really
great
and
you
have
to
meet
the
provincial
objectives
and
you
want
the
city
to
meet
our
objectives
of
trying
to
build
housing.
K
So
yes,
I'm
gonna,
celebrate
this
this
this
victory,
because
I'm
going
to
take
every
every
moment
we
can,
but
we
could
have
perhaps
done
a
little
bit
better
and
I
think
that
the
fact
that
this
this
policy
allows
us
to
build
housing
and
earmark
it
for
40
years
and
hopefully
the
the
rent
controls
programs
are
going
to
be
in
place
when
the
40
year,
plus
one
day
kicks
in.
So
we
can
maybe
extend
it
for
another
50
years.
This
is
a
this.
K
It
should
not
have
taken
four
and
a
half
years
for
us
to
get
to
this
point,
but
it
did
so
I'd
like
us
to
think
that
you
know
moving
forward
to
the
next
few
phases
and
there
are
other
assets,
both
provincially
federally
and
municipal
II.
That
will
be
on
on
the
on
the
floor
for
consideration
as
surplus
land
and
disposal
for
for
for
market
value.
We
have
to
do
better
by
ourselves
and
with
the
other
orders
government.
K
C
Madam
Speaker
I
rise
very
much
in
support
of
the
initiative.
That's
here
the
creation
of
the
six
hundred
affordable
housing
units
on
the
provincial
land
and
very
much
to
speak
in
the
support
of
all
of
our
staff,
both
in
our
housing
office
and
in
our
planning
office
that
have
taken
the
direction
over
the
last
three
years
that
this
council
has
given
under
this
mayor
to
really
make
housing
and
affordable
housing
a
priority.
C
It
is
something
that
the
city
has
needed
and
it's
something
is
moving
forward
and
it's
something
that
I
think
more
credit
should
be
given
you
can't
you
can't
talk
about
an
approval
of
a
site
for
affordable
housing
on
one
month
and
expect
that
it
a
month
or
two
months
or
three
months
or
even
six
months
later,
you're
gonna
have
a
shovel
in
the
ground.
It
doesn't
work
that
way.
It
doesn't
work
that
way
with
any
development
application
anywhere.
You
have
to
take
it.
You
have
to
put
out
what
you
would
like
to
see.
C
C
Why
aren't
we
using
up
all
the
funding
that's
available,
so
our
housing
office
is
saying
I'm
out
of
money.
I
don't
have
any
more,
which
he's
not
at
yet
and
they're,
not
at
yet
that's
where
you
want
to
be,
and
you
want
to
be
going
back
when
you're,
giving
extra
density
on
a
site
to
try
and
convince
those
that
are
asking
for
it
in
their
applications
to
try
and
help
make
some
housing
affordable
in
the
city.
C
So
this
is
a
case,
in
my
opinion,
where
there
was
a
mistake
made
on
the
old
LCBO
site
in
the
waterfront,
no
affordable
housing
and
a
lot
of
density,
the
province
realizing
that
that
might
have
not
been
the
best
thing
to
do
and
coming
around
to
say
now
we're
going
to
work
with
you.
30%
of
these
lands
now
are
going
to
be
affordable
housing.
C
So,
instead
of
being
critical
of
it,
we
should
be
relishing
the
fact
that
it
is
on
the
agenda
that
it
is
being
talked
about
and
that
we
are
delivering
as
a
city
much
more
than
has
ever
been
to
before
and
more
than
you'll
find
in
any
other
part
of
the
GTA.
So
I'm,
proud
of
it
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
elements
in
front
of
us
I,
think
it's
a
great
way
to
move
forward.
C
I
think
it's
using
the
example
that
we've
already
given
ourselves
when
we
go
out
and
work
with
housing
that
we've
given
through
Bill
Toronto
that
we've
given
in
our
partnerships
and
I
think
we
should
just
continue
to
do
this
and
more.
Thank
you
and
tippet,
which
my
colleague
keeps
reminding
me
here
and
councillor.
Pasternak's
Ward
is
a
wonderful
example
of
200,
affordable
housing
units
that
are
coming
out
of
a
city,
farm,
Farley
city,
on
piece
of
property,
which
he
was
only
so
glad
to
see.
H
C
I
A
champion
to
rebuild
region
parked
a
champion
to
ensure
that
in
West
Don
lands
with
as
much
affordable
housing
as
possible,
and
it
was
very
sad
that
she
was
not
able
to
be
there
for
this
new
step
and
stage
for
this
very
strategic
piece
of
property
right
on
the
streetcar
line,
just
up
from
the
Portland's
a
very
exciting
announcement,
and
when
mr.
Gavin
said
that
that
piece
of
property
has
been
sitting
in
that
way
for
28
years,
28
years,
1989.
L
I
B
I
So
that's
quite
an
accomplishment
to
bring
what
would
be
called.
It
was
agricultural
fallow
piece
of
land,
but
one
just
sitting
just
waiting
and
finally
brought
in
to
the
affordable
housing.
Family
I
really
appreciate
what
councillor
shiner
said
that
I
don't
think
it
was
a
fair
assessment.
Well,
you've
passed
all
these
thousand
units.
Why
aren't
they
built
yesterday?
Why
aren't
they
built
today?
Why
aren't
they
just
built
next
year?
Anyone
if
we
look
at
all
our
development
applications
that
we
approve
at
all
of
our
community
councils.
I
There's
a
start,
there's
a
long
process
before
that
shovel
gets
in
the
ground
and
before
whatever
it
is,
gets
actually
built,
and
in
this
case
we
have
to
allocate
the
finances
that
always
happens.
Upfront
nobody's
going
to
start
a
development
if
they
don't
know
that
they
have
the
money
who's
going
to
be
able
to
hire
an
architect
higher
development
consultant.
Look
at
the
soil
situation.
Do
all
that
has
to
be
done,
find
the
contractor
if
they
don't
know
that
they're
going
to
be
funded.
If
that
is
just
so
fundamental
to
building
something.
I
I
So
we
need
to
have
people
understand
that
development
process
need
the
money,
need
the
plan
and
do
the
work
it
has
been
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
your
earlier
councillor,
beer
maker
was
talking
about
he's
been
here
for
over
14
years,
is
it
24
or
14
all
38
years,
and
so
that
during
that
time,
I
have
watched
a
lot
happen
on
the
housing
file
and
it
was
under
David
Miller
that
councillor
Malini
actually
headed
up
a
taskforce
called
hot
housing
opportunities
for
Toronto.
Where
we
got
back
into
the
affordable
housing
business.
I
We
got
back
into
the
business
in
a
way
where,
at
times,
we've
had
organizations
that
didn't
have
a
lot
of
capacity
and
they
were
awarded
contracts
and
they
would
languish
or
they'd
be
in
trouble.
We
have
now
a
very
sophisticated
system
for
awarding
affordable
housing.
You
have
to
have
the
capacity
you
have
to
be
able
to
do
it.
The
pre
approvals
are
there
and
it
is
actually
a
time
when
we're
able
to
accomplish
what
we
set
out
to
do,
which
is
build,
affordable
housing.
We
have
all
of
the
Portland's
coming.
I
We
have
a
new
real
estate
approach,
which
I
hope
would
overcome
what
counselor
a
long
time
speaking
about
where
the
parking
authority
isn't
sure
that
they
want
to
blend
in
and
have
have
affordable
housing,
because
if
you
remember
the
early
days
of
build
Toronto
and
all
the
sites
that
were
sold,
there
wasn't
one
affordable
housing
unit
in
the
early
days
of
build
Toronto
that
were
built
into
those
sales
that
we
made
of
those
strategic
properties.
So
I
just
want
to
say
at
this
point:
housing
is
in
it's
in
all
of
our
real
estate.
I
T
Thank
you
very
much
I,
despite
our
chair
of
planning
and
gross
a
warning
not
to
be
critical
of
of
our
affordable
housing
policy.
I'm
gonna
make
one
exception
not
be
critical
at
what
the
city
has
been
doing
this
past
term,
because
I
did
support
the
the
the
program
as
it
came
through,
but
critical
of
the
province
for
limiting
the
toolbox
that
we
have.
Our
friends
at
the
star
have
just
quoted
me
from
a
previous
discussion.
We
have
a
crappy
tool
box
for
how
to
do
this.
T
We
have
come
a
long
way,
I
and
much
to
the
credit
of
of
the
leadership
of
build
Toronto
and,
and
perhaps
the
mayor's
office,
in
what
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
from
some
of
our
city
properties.
I
remember.
There
was
a
time
when
build
Toronto
came
to
me
with
the
sale
of
two
sites
and
I
said
how
much
affordable
housing
and
they
said,
none
and
I
said
well.
Weren't
you
supposed
to
build
us
all
this
affordable
housing
and
they
said
they
had
done
six
of
1,500
units,
twelve
of
six
fifteen
hundred
units.
T
To
that
point
it
had
like
four
years
to
come
up
with
that
and
hadn't
done
a
damn
thing.
So
in
this,
when
the
next
proposal
came
to
my
desk
that
built
that
build
came
up,
my
first
phone
call
was
to
Sean
Garden
to
say:
hey
Sean,
you
got
an
opportunity
here.
They
got
a
build
you
these
units,
so
they
came
back
with
25,
oh
boy.
There
was
in
that
whole
development
proposal
of
about
1,200
units
25,
affordable
ones,
the
city
owned
the
land.
We
approved
five
buildings
on
and
that's
all
we
could
scrape
together
now.
T
In
that
case,
we
at
least
we
got
something,
but
unless
the
province
moves
on
this
inclusionary
zoning
every
day
that
goes
by
every
planning
application
that
comes
through
that
door
at
City
Planning
is
a
loss
of
potential,
affordable
housing
units
to
the
city
of
Toronto
and
in
the
decade
that
the
city's
asked
for
this
power.
We
could
have
been
building
thousands
of
units.
I
don't
have
the
number,
because
our
our
acting
chief
planner
didn't
have
it
off
the
top
of
his
head.
T
But
I
know
that
this
number
exists
and
I
know
it's
in
the
many
thousands
of
you
it's
that
would
have
been
created
in
the
past
decade.
In
multi-unit
residential
housing
head,
we
had
the
power
and
the
regulatory
authority
to
use
inclusionary
zoning
as
a
means
for
achieving
our
affordable
housing
goals.
So
it's
not
by,
but
at
the
city's
fault
that
we're
doing
such
a
poor
job
at
building,
affordable
housing.
It
is
in
fact
rests
in
the
hands
of
the
provincial
government,
who
have
not
given
us
the
tools
to
properly
zone
them
in
all
new
development.
T
L
G
You
speaker
I,
want
to
begin
by
by
absolutely
making
it
clear
that
the
work
of
the
affordable
housing
office
that
the
work
of
the
chair
of
the
Affordable,
Housing
Committee
and
the
work
of
the
mayor
have
been
outstanding.
They
have
been
outstanding
the
fact
that
we're
doing
anything
at
all
mr.
mayor,
your
work
has
been
outstanding,
but
within
the
confidante
standing,
work
takes
place
within
a
set
of
parameters.
G
G
I
was
at
a
meeting
in
Parkdale
with
a
group
of
50
tenants
who
live
in
a
variety
of
dresses
who
are
losing
their
homes,
largely
through
legal
means,
although
in
one
instance
through
an
illegal
eviction,
and
when
you
say
to
them,
you
know
we
have
this
policy
around
rental
retention
and
we
we,
you
know.
I
I've,
got
section
I,
put
section
37
agreements
in
on
any
development
application.
In
my
ward,
that's
big
enough
and
there's
a
problem
there.
G
Most
of
the
midsize
mid-rise
isn't
big
enough
to
generate
section
37,
so
you
can't
put
affordable
housing
in
when
you
say
to
them.
Well,
you
know
we're
trying
they
just
say
you
do
understand
that
I
have
two
choices.
Now
I
can
leave
Toronto
or
live
on
the
street
and
they're,
not
exaggerating
they're,
not
exaggerating
at
all.
We
are
losing
deeply
affordable
units
faster
than
we're
building
them
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
I,
see
mr.
Godin
nodding
his
head.
G
So
I
put
it
to
this
council,
maybe
not
today
when
we're
considering
the
great
work
we've
done
within
the
confines
of
the
world
that
we
operate
in.
Maybe
today
we
celebrate,
but
by
the
end
of
this
term
we
need
a
better
yardstick,
simply
having
a
number
of
units
that
we
provide,
incentives
for
or
that
we
build
or
that
we
get
federal
money
for
that's,
not
a
good
enough
yardstick.
G
So,
yes,
we've
done
outstanding
work.
Yes,
mr.
mayor,
you've
done
outstanding
work,
but
we
need
to
do
better
than
outstanding,
because
there
is
a
crisis.
There's
a
crisis
in
supportive
housing.
There
is
a
crisis
in
deeply
affordable
housing
and
there's
a
crisis
for
the
children.
The
middle
class,
who
will
not
get
the
same
housing
opportunities
that
my
and
my
partner
had
when
we
got
into
the
housing
market
20
years
ago,
so
take
take
the
win
today.
G
O
If
this
was
good
news
and
was
she
supportive
of
the
mayor
and
council
bailout-
and
she
said
you
know,
we
don't
ask
our
residents
often
enough,
but
there
is
no
question
that
you
could
go
to
any
neighborhood
any
neighborhood
in
the
city
of
Toronto
and
in
an
in
a
another
crowded,
gymnasium,
simply
described
for
a
minute
or
two,
our
crisis
of
affordability
in
housing
on
any
level
in
order,
ship,
rent
or
rental,
or
even
even
the
shortage
of
rent
gear
to
income
and
ask
them.
Is
that
something
with
which
you'd
like
to
help?
O
Do
you
want
to
help
with
that
through
my
good
offices,
through
what
I
can
do
in
the
councillor?
Do
it?
Do
people
really
want
to
help
those
who
are
well
housed
and
and
can't
afford
their
right,
their
housing
costs,
and
she
said,
I
daresay
that
that
really
anyone
in
that
positive
situation
would
say
yes
and
I.
O
Think
she's
right
I
went
back
to
my
own
ward,
having
heard
that
and
began
to
ask
that
question
in
any
gathering,
and
the
answer
is
always
yes,
but
when
we,
when
we
get
that
opportunity,
we
we
like
to
beat
ourselves
up,
because
it's
never
fast
enough.
It
is
never
enough
money
from
each
of
the
governments.
We
never
give
enough
of
our
own
money.
We
never
can
quite
catch
up
with
it.
O
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
look
at
all
of
the
all
of
the
different
options
and
make
sure
that
we
are
making
progress
on
all
of
these
friends.
To
me,
the
the
the
affordable
level
is
the
least
understood.
We
know
that
any
time
we're
doing
a
social
housing,
revitalization
or
we're
trying
to
fit
rent
geared
to
income
through
supplements
into
buildings,
it
can
be
controversial.
We
know
that
and
we've
gotten
very
good
as
a
body
as
a
council
of
weathering
that
and
mitigating
that
and
making
a
little
bit
of
progress.
O
But
if
this
affordable-
and
we
we
heard
Mr
dadan
outline
at
Telstra
DiGiorgio-
did
us
the
favor
of
asking
on
the
air
for
any
folks
watching.
What
does
that
mean?
And
yes,
it
can
mean
average,
but
it
can
also
mean
at
eighty
percent
of
average
and
another
ratio
below
that
and
those
are
in
in
in
some
respects
the
most
important
people
to
serve
as
quickly
as
we
can
if
it
takes
four
years
to
build
this
building,
so
be
it.
O
In
my
own,
immediate
family
I
have
I,
have
people
that
are
under
house
in
all
three
generations.
In
my
own
generation,
a
sibling,
a
child,
a
grandchild
they're
all
under
house,
and
that's
not
unusual
I'm,
not
unique
in
this
room.
I
know
it
I
know
each
of
us
can
think
of
someone
very
close
to
us
who,
in
this
city,
is
currently
under
house
whether
it
had
to
move
in
with
someone
else.
Well,
they've
got
kids
in
there
living
in
a
basement
or
sleeping
on
a
sofa
in
a
living
room.
It's
a
crisis.
O
So
it's
important
that
we
that
we
we
we
actually
designate
and
make
sure
that
this
affordable
niche
continues
on
in
both
ownership
and
rental.
Now
I'll
just
say.
Madam
Speaker
briefly
I
asked
about
inclusionary
zoning
inclusionary.
Zoning
will
allow
us
to
do
something
if
we
ever
get
it
but
I'm
negotiating
something.
That's
coming
to
community
council
this
very
next
round
and
what
that
means
is
in.
In
a
building
of
400
units.
O
I'm
gonna
get
eight
eight
affordable,
affordable
ownership
units,
not
seventy
percent
to
thirty
percent,
with
the
help
of
intergovernmental
funding,
if
we're
leaving
it
all
to
zoning
you're,
never
gonna
get
to
70%
30%.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
didn't
say
so:
Thank
You
councillor
Carroll.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
F
No
sir
bylaw
thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'd
like
to
start
by
thanking
staff,
both
planning
staff
and
the
affordable
housing
office,
because
I
know
they
did
an
incredible
amount
of
work
these
last
few
months
to
have
this
report
here
in
front
of
us.
Even
though
that,
like
staff,
said
this
land
had
been
allocated
for
affordable
housing
back
in
89
or
whatever
it
was.
F
F
Think
councillor
perks
was
right
on
we've,
we're
doing
a
lot,
but
the
need
keeps
growing
at
a
much
much
faster
pace,
and
that
is
why,
when
we
have
a
perfect
example
of
what
is
to
bring
different
orders
of
government
together,
the
private
sector,
the
nonprofit
sector,
when
we
have
a
success
story
in
front
of
us,
we
should
celebrate
and
we
should
say
to
all
these
partners.
We
can
do
this
only
when
we
come
together.
We
can
do
this.
We
can
develop
600
units,
we
can
have
the
70/30
ratio
because
it
works.
F
We've
proven
that
it
works,
and
that's
what
we're
doing
in
here
and
that's
why?
Sometimes,
some
of
you
get
a
little
bit
surprised
when
what
it's
supposed
to
be
a
good
store,
a
good
story.
People
try
to
put
it
in
a
bad
story,
nobody's
saying
that
the
work
is
done
far
from
it
far
from
it.
That
is
why
we're
actually
working
to
start
the
next
hot
plan,
because
we
know
that
we've
barely
accomplished
this
one
and
we
have
to
have
a
lot
of
work.
F
A
lot
of
conversations
with
the
sector
with
Torontonians
to
create
the
next
ten-year
housing
plan,
with
all
that
counselor
perks
said
with
challenge
by
challenging
us
by
challenge
all
these
definitions
and
we're
gonna
start
doing
that
the
beginning
of
next
year.
But
for
the
first
time
at
least
we've
built
a
pipeline.
There
will
develop
over
a
thousand
units
and
that
came
through
allocating
the
funds
to
creating
the
policies
that
actually
are
gonna
translate
in
the
units
and
some
of
those
units
might
be
in
a
few
months.
O
Matching
up
your
time
for
a
second
councillor,
Philo
is
chair
of
the
committee.
I'm
gonna
ask
that
the
chamber
be
a
little
more
respectful
of
we're
getting
down
to
the
end
of
the
speaker's
list,
I'm
having
trouble
hearing
the
chair
of
the
committee
that
actually
brought
the
item
to
us.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
You,
madam
Speaker,
like
I,
was
saying
we
actually
created
the
policy
to
interfere
at
the
point
that
can
actually
have
an
impact
and
translate
these
units
into
reality.
That's
what
we're
having
in
front
of
us
there's
gonna
be
27
million
dollars
that
we're
going
to
be
committing
to
this
project
and
by
bringing
together
our
share
with
the
province
development
industry
that
will
be
developing
this
or
nonprofit
sector.
We're
gonna
be
able
to
translate
this
into
600
units.
We
need
many
many
more
stories
like
this.
F
We
needed
many
many
more
more
of
this
at
the
advocacy
that
went
into
this
work.
We
need
many
many
more
of
this.
These
incentives,
because
that's
the
only
way,
we're
gonna
move
the
ball
forward
and
I'm
happy
to
be
able
to
have
your
approval.
The
Council's
approval
to
translate
these
600
homes
eventually
into
somebody's
home.
O
H
Madam
Deputy
Speaker,
first
of
all,
could
I
just
begin.
There's
been
a
lot
of
people
who
I
think
quite
correctly
said,
as
we've
gone
through,
this
I
think
very
constructive
debate
that
they,
you
know
we're
working
at
this
a
long
time
ago,
in
some
cases,
and
that
includes
councillor
Wong
cam,
and
it
includes
our
staff,
some
of
whom
sound
like
they
were
working
on
it
in
a
well
and
they
were
in
the
prior
century,
certainly
counts
their
bylaw,
and
her
time
here
has
been
a
relentless
advocate
on
all
this
and
I
just
want
to
say.
H
Thank
you
because
the
fact
is,
you
don't
get
to
these
places
without
a
lot
of
that,
hard-working
with
a
lot
of
the
frustration
that
I
think
all
of
us
feel
sometimes
with
the
way
the
government
process
works
generally,
which
is
that,
in
order
to
get
these
kinds
of
things
done,
you
have
to
have
the
support
of
at
least
two
or
sometimes
three
governments,
and
that
isn't
always
possible.
That
certainly
was
true
in
this
case
and
I
want
to
say.
H
The
same
is
true
of
build,
I
mean
build,
and
councillor
shiner
had
a
lot
to
do
with
this
I'm,
the
first
to
say
so.
He
went
over
there
as
the
chair.
He
was
already
there
and
then
he
became
the
chair
and
he
noted
correctly
that
during
its
first
number
of
years,
basically
all
did
was
sell
land
and
give
us
money.
I,
guess
that
was
fine.
We
needed
the
money,
but
in
the
end
it
had
also
committed
itself
and
right
in
this
original
mandate
were
some
provisions.
H
That
said,
they
were
to
produce
a
certain
number
of
affordable
housing
units
per
year
and
the
number
they're
producing
was
gu
sake,
zero
and
they're,
now
producing
quite
literally
hundreds
of
affordable
housing
unit
over
a
period
of
time,
and
so
you
know
we're
making
progress
and
I
guess.
I
I
find
this
kind
of
bogus
hair-splitting.
That's
gone
on
in
some
of
the
media.
Just
that
bogus
hair-splitting
and
I
think.
H
Maybe
the
that
point
is
driven
home
when
you
have
across
this
chamber
the
councillor
shiner
and
councillor
Fletcher
and
councillor
perks
and
a
number
of
others
saying
look.
Actually
this
does
represent
progress
and
I'd
be
the
first
to
stand
up
here
and
say
it.
I
was
teasing
councillor
perks
about
repeating
his
compliment
to
me
and
councillor
Layton
almost
got
there.
He
said.
Perhaps
the
mayor's
office
had
had
done.
H
Something
he's
you
know
he's
just
easing
in,
but
I'll
be
the
first
to
stand
up
here
and
give
credit
where
credit
is
due,
and
it
isn't
about
me
and
it
isn't
about
my
efforts
alone.
It's
been
a
team
effort
here
where
we've
sent
we
first
of
all,
we
made
the
commitment
to
actually
do
something
and
the
bogus
hair-splitting
I'm
talking
about
is
whether
you
call
create
or
support
or
approve
or
fund.
The
bottom
line
is
that
you
have
to
go
in
an
orderly
process
and
councillor
Fletcher
put
this
very
well.
H
You
have
to
put
out
the
incentives,
so
people
know
what's
in
it,
you
know
for
them
to
be
part
of
this.
You
then
have
to
approve
the
allocation
of
the
money.
So
that
anybody
who's
gonna
step
up
and
compete
for
the
right
to
build
the
affordable
housing
knows
what's
available,
you
have
to
do
the
funding.
You
have
to
reach
out
to
have
the
competition
and
say
who
wants
to
come
in
and
build
the
affordable
housing.
You
then
have
to
select
somebody
you
have
to
then
have
them
do
a
design
and
a
plan.
H
We
then
have
to
approve
that
and
then
it's
built
and
then
it's
occupied-
and
this
is
not
a
sort
of
21
day
process
and
and
again
I'm
not
mean
to
be
critical
of
anybody.
But
if
there
was
a
huge
pipeline
of
stuff
that
had
started
into
that
long
series
of
steps
that
I
just
went
through
five
years
ago,
then
we
would
be
here
today
saying
wow,
it's
fantastic.
Let's
go
cut
the
ribbon
on
some
new,
affordable
units
for
people,
but
there
weren't.
So
that's
fine!
It's
history!
It
doesn't
matter,
but
the
bottom
line
is
we're.
H
Now
doing
this
together,
the
province
has
come
to
the
table.
I
think
that's
because
we
as
a
council
and
as
a
city
took
a
strong
stand
saying
to
the
province.
You
have
some
land,
you
can
put
this
up
as
we
have
done
and
I
think.
The
first
thing
we
did
collectively
was
put
up
some
of
our
own
lines,
so
we
you
know
said,
do
as
we're
doing
not
as
we're
saying
and
now.
H
I
have
repeated
as
recently
as
this
afternoon
when
I
spoke
to
the
media,
a
call
on
the
federal
government
to
do
the
same
thing.
I
know
they're
looking
at
their
land
holdings,
but
looking
at
them
and
offering
some
of
them
up,
as
the
problems
has
done,
are
too
entirely
separate
things,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
I
want
to
just
take
yes
for
an
answer.
H
That's
all
without
for
a
minute
being
complacent
about
this,
and
and
I
I
actually
endorse
much
of
the
comment
I
made
by
Councillor
Perks
in
terms
of
how
and
by
I
think
it
was
councillor
Wong
time.
We've
talked
about
the
fact.
We
need
more
tools,
and
you
know
I'll
be
honest
when
I.
If
you
go
and
look
at
my
initial
answer,
I
gave
probably
three
or
four
years
ago
on
inclusionary
zoning.
It
was
a
waffle
that
the
International
House
of
Pancakes
would
be
proud
of,
and
I
I'd
have,
but
I
I
now
believe.
H
They
will
do
a
great
job,
building,
affordable
housing
for
us,
but
I
realize
sometimes
the
carrot
isn't
enough
or
we'd
have
to
have
a
carrot
so
huge
that
we
just
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it
even
with
the
help
the
other
government,
so
there's
got
to
be
a
bit
of
a
stick
and
so
I'm
now
you'll
find
me
I
mean
subject
to
the
rules
being
fair
to
us,
because,
frankly,
the
first
rules,
the
problems
put
forward,
we're
unfair
to
us
saying.
Yes,
that
is
something
we
must
do.
H
We
must
have
them
get
on
with
that,
get
going
with
that,
so
that
we
can
in
turn
use
that
in
a
positive
way
to
make
sure
that
we
can
meet
the
challenge
of
affordable
housing
and,
of
course
it's
huge.
But
I
will
finish
on
this
note.
If
you
take
together,
the
progress
of
the
last
four
weeks
and
I
want
to
give
credit
again
to
Premier
Kathleen
Wynne
and
in
particular
to
Housing
Minister
Peter
Milton,
because
when
the
Housing
Minister
changed
a
lot
seemed
to
change
with
that.
H
And
so
we
have
in
the
last
two
weeks,
90
million
dollars
for
supportive
housing,
which
will
help
2,000
people
of
the
kind
of
the
people
that
the
councillor
perks
and
others
here
we're
talking
about.
And
this
just
today
you
know
and
the
stuff
we've
done
so
far
this
year
will
help
a
thousand
people.
And
if
we
do
that
every
year
year
after
year-
and
you
can't
underestimate
my
determination
and
councillor
Barlow's
and
I
know
all
of
you
who
we
will
actually
make
a
meaningful.
H
But
by
no
means
it
off
dent
and
all
this
and
and
we
will
have
more
to
do.
But
at
least
we
can
carry
on
with
the
progress
we're
making
and
I.
Thank
you
for
standing
firm
when
we
were
standing
in
there
wanting
this
land
to
be
put
up.
That
will
allow
this
matter
here
to
be
brought
today
on
the
tremendous
and
absolutely
unstinting
leadership
of
councillor
bylaw,
who
really
does
take
this
to
heart
and
Sean
Gadd
and
who,
among
all
the
staff
somebody
who's,
been
making
his
life's
work
out
of
this,
and
we
appreciate
that.
A
E
C
M
M
D
M
Sir,
you,
madam
Speaker,
we
are
aware
that
the
CDC
has
reported
an
outbreak
of
Salmonella
that
they've
tied
back
to
the
existence
of
backyard
hands,
as
at
the
end
of
July,
there's
been
961
cases
in
48
states,
215,
hospitalizations,
one
death,
all
related
to
a
variety
of
strains
of
Salmonella.
Thank
you.
A
N
C
M
A
pilot
were
adopted
by
council,
then
we
would
determine
a
set
of
performance
metrics
that
would
allow
us
to
report
back
on.
The
outcomes
of
that
pilot
would
include
access
to
a
survey
feedback
from
the
public
and
if
council
was
interested
in
the
volume
of
eggs
produced
by
said
backyard
hens.
So
we
would
be
happy
to
include
that
metric.
So.
M
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
would
suggest
any
making
sure
we've
got
captured
any
complaints
around
noise
nuisance
until
basically
the
neighbor
complaints.
I
think
we'd
have
to
talk
to
the
medical
officer
of
health
to
see
if
there
was
any
ability
for
us
to
capture
any
illness
related
complaints.
You
know
some
of
these
things
are
very
difficult.
We
get
complaints
in
various
parts
of
the
city
about
rats
every
year
due
to
construction,
so
we'd
have
to
think
through
what
other
metrics.
M
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
councillor
Campbell.
Our
report
does
not
propose
a
pilot
but
I
understand
a
pilot.
A
pilot
is
of
interest,
so
we
would
take.
We
would
take
the
guidance
from
Council
on
what
they
would
like
to
see
happen.
I
would
expect
that
there
would
be
some
level
of
registration
required,
so
we
would
know
where
the
backyard
hens
were
happening.
A
certain
restriction
on
the
number
of
hens
kept
and
other
performance
standards,
including
proper,
has
safe
housing
for
the
hens.
I
would
see
a
pilot,
including
a
number
of
those
things
so.
C
We've
if,
by
chance
this
passes,
we
there
is
a
pilot
and
then,
for
whatever
reasons
its
deemed
successful,
and
we
have
chickens
in
44
Ward's.
How
much
extra
staff
would
you
have
to
hire
to
monitor
the
extra
you
know
the
extra
of
the
chickens?
So
if
it's
goat,
if
you
didn't
listen
to
the
question,
the
question
was:
if
we
go
to
44
wards
after
the
pilot,
how
much
extra
staff
would
you
have
to
hire
so.
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
that
would
be
directly
derived
from
the
nature
of
the
issues
we
were
needing
to
address.
If
we
had
an
issue,
if
there
was
a
pilot
and
if
we
had
issues
with
chickens,
run
amuck
around
the
city
and
it
was
a
draw
on
our
Animal
Services
staff,
then
that
would
be
part
of
the
discussion.
If
the
chickens
or
the
pack
yard
hens
were
causing
community
nuisance
and
we
had
to
deal
and
mitigate
some
of
those
things
that
may
have
a
different
result.
M
M
C
M
M
M
N
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
report
in
front
of
you
actually
was
dealing
with
prohibited
animals
and
adding
additional
animals
to
our
prohibited
animals
list
in
Chapter.
Three,
four:
nine,
as
well
as
setting
out
a
criteria
for
prohibited
animals
and
dealing
with
the
educational
mobile
live
animal
programs.
Chickens,
backyard
hens
are
on
our
list
of
prohibited
animals.
They're.
N
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
there's
a
lot
of
animals
on
on
this
list
and
a
lot
of
it
deals
with
its
historical
for
this
list.
We
did
not
just
create
it
and
just
add
chickens
or
backyard
hens,
and
they
do
exist
on
many
many,
if
not
all
other
municipalities
that
have
prohibited
animals
lists
and
part
of
the
part
of
the
criteria
around
looking
at
prohibited
animals
is
impact.
M
The
neighbors
community,
safety,
health
and
safety
ability
to
care
for
the
animals,
which
is
important
as
well
from
an
animal
welfare
standpoint
that
they
have
access
to
the
appropriate
veterinarian
services.
So
for
a
variety
of
those
things,
we've
actually
outlined
some
criteria
that
we
apply
to
the
prohibited
animal
list
in
this
report.
So.
N
M
M
Specifically
on
a
pilot
project
program
to
allow
backyard
hens,
no,
there
was
public
consultation
on
the
animals
by
law
specifically
related
to
the
prohibited
animals,
and
we
did
have
a
fair
bit
of
feedback
about
over
almost
2,400
respondents
on
a
survey
including
to
public
consultations.
The
issue
of
backyard
hens
was
discussed
through
those
consultations
writ
large
as
part
of
as
part
of
the
desk,
but
as
a
pilot
project,
specifically
no
ma'am.
Okay,.
M
N
N
N
Okay,
do
you
know
if
my
understanding
again
I,
don't
know
a
lot
about
these?
These
matters,
but
hens
lay
eggs
for
only
two
to
five
years
and
then
there's
a
tendency
for
the
owners
to
want
to
get
rid
of
the
hens,
and
so
they
tend
to
I
guess
they
can't
slaughter
them
in
their
backyard,
which
I'm
happy
to
hear,
but
they
end
up
sending
them
to
shelters
like
the
Humane
Society,
so
they're,
overloaded,
with
unwanted
chickens.
Is
that
true,
or
have
you
ever
through.
M
You,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
not
aware
of
the
Humane
Society's
direct
engagement
on
the
backyard
hen
issue,
nor
an
overrun
I
know
when
we
have
ended
up
with
backyard
hens
or
chickens
in
our
care.
We've
made
arrangements
with
farmers
and
others
outside
of
the
city
to
take
them.
Okay
and,
unfortunately,
I'm
not
completely
educated
on
the
duration
of
the
egg-laying
time
for
backyard
hens
or
their
ultimate
disposition.
Afterwards,
okay,.
M
N
Whatever
think
about
accidental
rooster
acquisition
we're
at
a
very
young
age,
it's
difficult
to
determine
because
again,
I've
heard
this
via
other
parties
that
it's
problematic
and
so
people
buy
roosters.
Unknowingly,
not
aware
of
that.
Okay,
by
the
look
on
your
face,
that's
really
impressions,
true,
okay,.
N
You
and
then
lastly,
I
guess
similar
to
councillor
Campbell
I,
have
trouble
in
my
ward,
getting
MLS
officers
out
to
do
kind
of
run-of-the-mill
things
and
no
criticism
at
all
I
think
there's
a
bit
of
a
resource
challenge.
But
having
said
that,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
frustrate
my
neighborhoods
that
aren't
getting
is
dressed
as
quickly
as
I
would
like
to
see
them
getting
addressed.
It
takes
a
few
emails.
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
mean
we're
all
taxed
with
everybody
wanting
or
needing
more
in
us,
managing
with
the
resources
that
we
have
and
I
understand.
That's
not
a
criticism,
I
feel
the
frustration
and
I
know
we
try
diligently
to
meet
timelines
and
it's
a
it's
a
challenge
at
certain
times.
Well,
thank
you.
M
C
M
C
M
To
you,
madam
Speaker,
as
I
referenced
earlier.
Currently,
our
report
is
dealing
with
amendments
to
chapter
3,
4,
9
and
prohibited
animals.
The
discussion
that
commenced
in
July
was
around
the
possibility
of
a
pilot
related
to
backyard
hens.
We
would,
if
that
pilot
is
approved,
we
would
look
at
setting
out
performance
standards
and
rules
governing
that
and
yes,
one
of
those
considerations
hold.
M
A
M
So
it's
for
you,
madam
Speaker.
We
have
not
been
directed
to
create
a
pilot
we
haven't
laid
out.
All
of
the
rules
this
was
focused
on
the
discussion
has
been
around.
If
we
were
to
permit
council
was
to
permit
a
pilot
for
backyard
hens,
our
position
would
be
that
that
would
be
excluding
anything
other
than
the
backyard
hens,
which
would
include
the
exclusion
of
reefs
ters,
but.
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
sir
we'd
be
welcome
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
appropriate
participants
in
any
backyard
hen
program.
Noting,
though,
that
we
would
recommend
a
limit
on
the
number
of
hens
that
were
permitted
to
be
kept
and
the
we
would
have
to
study
the
impacts
of
whether
a
rooster
in
the
hen
house
would
be
appropriate
or
not.
Well,.
C
M
M
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
you
know
we
can.
If
we're
directed
to
do
the
pilot,
we
can
certainly
go
away
and
determine
the
noise
levels
of
the
various
types
of
birds
that
may
be
permitted
as
it
stands
right
now.
The
question
was
around:
well
has
not
yet
been
floored,
but
the
discussion
has
been
around
the
allowing
of
a
pilot
for
backyard
hens.
We
have
not
been
asked
to
contemplate
or
you
can
direct
an
exemption
to
allow
roosters
if
we
were
to
run
a
pilot
with
backyard
hens.
M
C
C
Through
through
the
through
the
speaker
and
I
know
this,
it
comes
from
my
good
friend
counsel
holiday
and
he
wants
me
to
ask
this
question
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
don't
have
a
rooster,
how
can
we
have
eggs
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
what
came
first,
the
chicken
or
the
egg,
so
we
do
need
roosters
I
mean
in
the
pilot
project.
Am
I
correct
in
that
no.
M
C
M
M
J
J
A
M
J
M
J
M
M
J
Would
it
be
fair
to
say
that
we're
heading
down
a
path
with
this
this
here?
What
I
hear
about
this
proposal
to
to
introduce
backyard
hens?
We
are
talking
about
introducing
livestock
or
I.
Don't
know
urban
farming
or
something
along
that
lines?
What's
to
say,
I
don't
want
have
a
goat,
and
you
know,
for
the
reasons
of
that,
you
know
that
we've
talked
about
they're,
pretty
quiet
they
little
patch
of
grass.
You
know
where
do
we
stop?
Can
I
have
a
cow
I
like
milk
ducts
I'm,
it's
rhetoric,
obviously,
but
but
is
there
any
controls?
M
J
M
J
M
M
J
S
J
We're
talking
about
livestock,
and
so
that's
the
turning
point
of
the
conversation
and
and
it
would
it
be
fair
to
say
that
we
are
treading
on
new
ground
here,
we're
not
talking
about
pets
and
prohibited
animals.
We're
actually
talking
about
a
different
category
of
animal
for
a
different
purpose,
which
is
to
create
food.
I
think
this
is
different,
so.
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
yes
we're
not
having
a
from
my
understanding
of
the
nature
of
this
discussion.
It
is
around
a
move
and
a
consideration
of
urban
farming
farming
and
urban
environments.
I
know
that
dialogue
is
happening
in
various
places
around
around
North
America.
At
least
this
is
the
first
one
of
these
conversations
that
I've
had
so
there.
J
M
J
It
be
fair
to
say
that
it
is
far
far
in
excess,
the
cost
of
going
into
a
store
to
purchase
a
dozen
eggs
that
might
probably
be
a
day
or
two
old.
If
they
were
shipped
quickly
over
here
and
with
three
or
four
hens,
you
can
only
produce
three
or
four
eggs
a
day,
so
it
would
take
three
or
four
days
to
acquire
those
eggs.
J
M
Madam
Speaker,
you
know
I
I,
don't
think
I'd
be
properly
placed
to
break
it
down
on
a
unit
cost
I
would
say
that,
should
a
pilot
be
permitted,
there
are
expectations
of
the
city.
There
would
be
expectations
of
the
city
that
the
animals
are
properly
housed,
properly,
fed
properly
maintained
and
whatever
those
costs
are,
those
costs
are,
but
on
a
per
unit
basis.
A
B
B
M
M
That's
where
we
landed
on
the
information
that
came
out
of
the
Center
for
Disease
Control
out
of
the
United
States
regarding
the
salmonella
outbreak,
tied
back
to
backyard
hen
flocks
other
than
that.
We
believe
there
have
been
some
cases
over
time,
but
nothing.
Nothing.
Significant
I
will
also
note
out
of
fairness
that,
in
those
same
same
materials,
it
was
discussed
that
proper
hygiene
and
proper
hand-washing
are
the
things
that
need
to
be
done
in
order
to
avoid
contracting
Salmonella
from
any
source
right,
including
backyard
hens
right.
B
Know
a
young
child
can
walk
in
one
of
our
parks
today
and
easily
contract
and
fit
mouth
disease.
Just
from
you
know,
dog,
feces
or
anything
like
that.
That's
something
that
can
happen
very
common
here
in
Toronto.
We
don't
ban
dogs.
For
that
reason
we
manage
the
problem
in
terms
of
the
health
outcomes,
so.
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
again
not
treading
into
the
the
shoe
of
the
chief
medical
officer
of
health,
but
I
do
know
one
from
my
conversations
with
her
the
issues.
Those
issues
that
arise
are
typically
around
the
lack
of
appropriate
hygiene
or
sufficient
hygiene
hand,
washing,
of
course,
being
the
primary
protect
protector
from
those
types
of
diseases
right.
B
M
You,
madam
speaker,
no
I'm,
not
aware
of
their
statistics,
though
I
would
say
that
would
fall
in
line
with
the
statistics
that
we
have.
We
do
receive
many
more
complaints
about
dogs.
Do
the
volume
of
dogs
relative
to
the
complaints
we've
had
about
chickens.
Chicken
related
complaints
have
been
about
a
hundred
a
year
right.
C
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
think
I
well
to
whether
the
chickens
we'd
have
enough
chickens,
eat
enough
mosquitoes
to
take
away
the
issue
of
West,
Nile
and
or
the
other
conditions
that
breed
mosquitoes
and
the
you
know.
The
level
of
rain
we've
had
this
year.
I
think
will
be
a
tough
tough
corollary
to
draw,
but
it's
a
good
effort.
Okay,.
P
M
P
P
M
P
M
From
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
when
I
when
I
mentioned
performance
standards.
Yes,
it's
about
area
of
the
property.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
we
stay
away
from
accessory
structure
issues
and
the
need
for
my
good
friend
here
from
Toronto
building,
as
well
as
other
standards,
around
maintenance
and
mitigating
community
or
neighbor
impacts.
Now.
P
P
P
P
Are
you
aware
that
these
eggs-
because
you
know
what
your
chicken
is
eating-
they
can
eat
some
of
your
food
scraps
from
your
kitchen,
which
actually
reduces
what
goes
into
your
green
bin,
which
reduces
what
we
have
the
city
have
to
pick
up.
They
have
a
third
less
cholesterol.
They
are
a
quarter,
less
saturated
fats
and
two
times
more
Amigo,
three
fatty
acids
than
the
eggs
bought
in
a
store.
Isn't
that
sad?
Doesn't
that
sound,
healthy
amigo?
P
Right
now
on
to
the
next
topic,
this
report
actually
came
before
us
because
some
councillors
approached
you.
We
had
concerns
about
some
of
the
companies
out
there
taking
animals
away
from
where
they
live,
and
sleep
two
birthday
parties
to
schools
to
petting
farms.
Is
that
really?
That
was
the
reason
we
came.
This
report
came
forward
in
the
beginnings
that
correct
yes,.
P
Do
you
feel
that
the
report
before
us
today
will
alleviate
that
concern
we're
in
the
media
we've
seen
animals
lying
on
concrete
floors
with
no
water
or
food
or
shelter?
You
feel
that
this
report
will
protect
those
animals
being
taken
away
from
their
home
to
be
exhibited
and
handled.
People
who
nest
don't
necessarily,
yes,.
M
Sir,
you,
madam
Speaker,
this
was
a
continuation
of
a
report
we
did
earlier.
We
did
it.
We
did
undertake
consultation
with
the
companies
that
do
these
mobile
live
animal
shows
as
well
as
others,
and
this
report
would
prohibit
that
type
of
activity
with
prohibited
animals
being
used
for
that
purpose.
Non
prohibited
animals
could
still
be
used
for
educational
purposes,
into
the
schools
and
whatnot,
but
not
prohibited
animals,
and
that's
what
the
intention
of
this
report
is.
My.
P
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
when
this
report
first
came
forward,
we
had
moved
it
to
January
because
we
had
heard
from
some
of
the
operators-
and
you
know
reputable
operators
that
they
had
schools
and
whatnot
booked
in
the
early
fall.
So
we
felt
January
1
was
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
for
them
to
make
amendments
to
their
programming.
O
A
A
Right
so
now
there
is
a
move.
There
is
I,
understand,
there's
a
movement
to
move
a
motion
to
have
a
pilot,
but
we're
voting
on
a
pilot
when
you
have
not
submitted
in
a
report
correct,
that's
correct,
no
report
and
even
a
pilot
in
the
specific
words
that
are
being
proposed.
There
has
been
no
public
consultation.
A
That
is
correct.
So
do
not
do
not
think
that
if
we're
going
to
even
start
to
try
a
pilot
in
for
awards
that
there
should
be
some
sort
of
consultation
on
what
the
criteria
will
be
and
who
would
be
eligible,
I
mean
we
go
and
get
petitions
and
do
polls
and
surveys
for
permit
parking,
fragrant
park
and
everything
else
and
we're
gonna
allow
chickens
in
backyards
without
consultation
through.
M
A
Even
if
there
it's,
the
pilot
is
only
in
four
specific
Ward's.
The
residents
of
that
Ward
should
have
input,
and
if
somebody
applies
like
I
assume
that
they
would
be
applying
correct,
it's
not
everybody's,
just
gonna
have
chickens
in
their
backyard,
but
no
criteria,
nothing
just
control
chickens
in
the
backyard.
No.
M
M
You,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
madam
Speaker.
That
would
be
something
that
we
would
have
to
discuss
in
the
context
of
forming
what
a
pilot
would
look
like
how
it
would
be
operated
the
metrics
we
would
report
back
on
the
potential
resource
implications
if
any,
ideally
yeah.
We
need
time
to
do
all
of
that
work.
So.
A
It's
it's
really
premature
to
even
move
a
motion
to
have
a
pilot
with
that.
It's
sending
it
back
to
licensing
and
asking
you
when
you
get
some
time
to
bring
forward
a
report,
because
you
have
so
many
reports
that
you
will
have.
You
have
deadlines
on
that.
That
are
priority,
that
you
would
report
back
to
licensing
and
at
that
point
have
deputations.
M
M
So
certainly
it's
a
body
of
work
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
did
thoroughly
and
properly
with
the
appropriate
consultation
having
it
properly
vetted
through
committee
and
allowing
deputation
would
be
the
better
way
to
do
it
and
perhaps
given
the
time
of
year,
it
may
be
the
more
prudent
course
to
take.
Thank.
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
prohibited
animals
list
goes
back
decades
and
many
of
the
animals
on
the
list
are
those
as
referenced.
Previously,
those
will
be
considered
livestock,
those
that
are
exotic
or
non-indigenous
to
Ontario
and
its.
It
includes
goats,
sheeps,
pigs,
cattle,
moths,
tigers,
leopards,
kangaroos
skunks,
weasels,
horses,
donkeys,
so
variety.
M
M
So
true,
you
might
have
speakers
so
the
prohibited
animal
list
is
a
list
of
animals
that
are
absolutely
not
permitted
to
be
in
the
city
unless
they
are
exempted
and
in
the
bylaw
there's
a
list
of
exemptions:
Riverdale
zoo
High,
Park,
Zoo,
Toronto,
Zoo,
the
Toronto,
Wildlife
Center
and
as
well.
There
was
an
exemption
in
there
for
for
allowing
people
to
bring
in
prohibited
animals
for
more
than
three
days
for
educational
purposes.
M
M
M
M
B
A
D
C
D
T
D
T
T
O
B
Okay,
so
I
can't
imagine
that
you're
not
overrun
I
know
our
MLS
staff
are
doing
amazing
work
in
Scarborough
and
forward
35,
but
it's
tough.
We
have
a
lot
of
calls.
It
takes
a
while
for
people
to
get
out
not
because
they
are
slow.
It's
because
actually
they're,
just
overrun
and
I
can't
imagine
adding
this
on
to
it.
Would
you
not
feel
that
we
would
have
to
absolutely
put
more
resources
more
staffing
into
tho,
because
governments
don't
like
to
take
risk?
M
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
it
would
tie
up
our
time
to
create
the
pilot
to
monitor
the
pilot
and
then
the
outcomes
of
any
enforcement
or
a
particularly
I'm,
Animal
Services
side
of
the
house
response
is
to
deal
with
any
animal
issues.
I
was
asked
previously
I,
don't
know
what
that
number
would
be.
M
B
Into
my
next
question,
so
we
know
that
the
production
Lane
period
of
hens
is
two
years,
but
they
live
for
10.
So
what
happens
to
the
hens
after
their
production
laying
period
I
mean
because
a
lot
of
people
may
have
small
children
and
they
don't
want
to
take
them
in
to
be
slaughtered,
and
so
what
generally
happens
with
these
hens
after
the
two-year
mark.
M
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
mean
that
that's
going
to
come
down
to
the
people
who
who
own
the
hands
from
a
city
perspective.
My
concern
would
be
if
people
started
returning
them
into
US,
which
does
happen
with
owners
surrender
or,
as
we
saw
a
couple
of
years
ago
in
Hyde
Park,
where
it
came
and
was
let
loose
in
the
pond.
I
mean
that
would
be
my
concern
of
what
that
disposition
of
those
animals
would
be,
and.
B
We're
gonna
be
overrun
at
MLS
and
then
so
I'll
go
into
my
next
question
in
terms
of
is
there
a
lot
of
we
know.
I
know
that
the
average
cost
of
running
I
think
this
is
the
problem.
What
happens
with
a
lot
of
people
they
get
excited
about
it,
I
mean
I,
buy
small
flock
eggs,
I,
don't
eat
a
lot.
I
buy
six
at
a
time
the
yep
they're
expensive,
but
you
get
your
small
flock,
which
is
local.
B
If
people
want
that,
they
should
look
in
that
direction.
I've
heard
and
it
we
verified
on
a
couple
of
places
where
they've
had
bass,
poisoning
I
am
I'm
wrapping
up.
My
question
is
the
cost
is
actually
around
$40
a
dozen,
and
so
when
people
get
into
it,
they're
all
excited,
but
then
they
realize
the
cost
and
then
the
fact
is
is
what
happens
to
all
these
chickens.
Thank
you.
A
M
You
yeah
through
you,
madam
Speaker
and
surly
councillor
Holliday,
was
asking
similar
questions
that
I'm
sorry
I
was
not
fully
up
to
speed
on
unit
cost,
for
backyard,
raised
two
eggs
and
in
hens,
but
as
I
said
earlier,
our
expectation
and
our
standards
around
any
pilot
would
have
to
ensure
that
the
appropriate
animal
welfare
and
and
neighbor
nuisance
issues
were
addressed
and
that
would
have
a
cost.
Thank
You
councillor.
R
Stop
just
a
couple
of
questions
because
I've
been
sitting
here
diligently
listening
to
folks
describing
this
operation.
You
know
these
two
little
white
chickens
right,
you
sit
there
and
out
comes
this
little
white
egg
and
then
you
pet
it
and
it
goes
back
to
sleep
and
it's
like
the
cleanest,
sweetest
tastiest
operation.
You
could
ever
you
could
ever
imagine.
R
M
R
R
R
R
R
If
you
don't
want
to
be
cruel,
if
you
don't
want
to
be
cruel
to
your
to
your
chickens,
you
would
you
would
in
our
climate,
given
that
we
have
like
a
summer
climate,
and
then
we
got
a
winter
climate.
You
would
want
them
in
the
summertime
to
have
some
mobility
outdoors,
some
fresh
air
I'm,
assuming
you
know
some
ability
to
move
around
and
then
in
the
wintertime.
When
it's
really
cold,
you
would
want
an
indoor
facility
of
some
kind
for
them
that
it's
got
some
heat
in
it.
M
R
And
your
chickens
need
to
drink,
I
would
suspect
they
would
and
then
they
need
to
be
cleaned
at
some
point
and
you
don't
have
to
maintain
it.
So
it
would
be
safe
to
say
that
you
can
pick
up
and
go
down
for
two
weeks
to
Jamaica
right
you're
like
there's
some
swanky
club
there
and
leave
your
chickens
all
alone
by
themselves.
Correct.
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
we
would
require
in
any
pilot
the
appropriate
measures
be
taken
to
ensure
animal
welfare.
So
I
would
trust
that
if
anyone
has
gotten
gone
to
the
trouble
to
build
the
coop
and
get
the
hands
that
they
would
take
the
appropriate
steps
to
ensure
that
they
were
well
maintained
and
cared
for,
and
we
would
require
that
in
the
pilot
and.
A
M
M
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
complaint,
sir,
will
dictate
the
the
speed
that
we
can
respond.
I
can
share
that
our
Animal
Services
crew,
though
small,
are
mighty,
and
when
it
comes
to
issues
of
animal
welfare,
they
respond
relatively
quickly
on
the
other
side,
with
property
standards
due
to
the
volumes
etc,
we're
much
longer
in
responding.
So
it
our
response
times
really
varied
by
the
priority
given
to
the
nature
of
the
complaint
or
the
issue.
So.
M
Through
your
madam
asked
question
are
our
animal
services
mobile
teams,
if
it's
an
issue
of
animal
distress
or
animal
cruelty,
can
respond
relatively
quickly?
That's
one
of
the
few
groups.
I've
got
that
are
actually
operating
about
twenty
two
hours
a
day,
but
there's
only
a
few
of
them
covering
the
city.
They
have
responded
within
an
hour
two
hours
to
some
cases
where
it's
been
an
animal
cruelty,
animal
injured
or
animal
and
distressed.
In
other
cases,
where
it's
not
that
nature,
then
it
does
take
longer
24
hours,
48
hours.
It
really
varies.
Thank.