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City Council, meeting 32, October 2, 2017 - Part 3 of 3 - Evening Session
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11865
Part 1 - Morning Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtMJ7B6ybI8#t=10m19s
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0:09:48 - Meeting resume
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Okay,
this
meeting
is
now
resumed
members
before
the
recess.
Council
is
debating
deferred
item
now
as
20.1
before
we
return
to
that
item.
I
would
take
the
release
of
member
holds
now.
I
do
have
a
number
of
motions
to
introduce,
but
we
don't
have
30
members,
so
we'll
have
to
do
that
at
another
time.
Quick
releases,
counselor,
counselor,
Pasternak,
quick
release.
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Page
7,
so
that's
the
one
I've
held
and
the
motion
actually
has
to
hold
public
information
sessions
for
the
planned
partial
closing
of
the
Wilson
subway
station.
Well,
it's
already
it's
already
partially
closed.
So
what
I've?
What
I've
done
here
is
I've
asked
staff
to
report
back
to
the
executive
committee.
If
we
put
the
motion
on
the
ground
we're
going
to
send
this
back
and
ask
staff
to
report
back
to
the
executive
committee
on
a
public
engagement
strategy
for
plan
pending
no.
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You
speaker,
it's
on
page
10,
pe
21.2
donation
of
international
mother,
language
de
monument
in
Taylor,
Creek,
Park
and
I.
Wonder
if
I
could
just
say
very
quickly
that
I
want
to
thank
our
parks,
forestry
and
Recreation
staff
for
the
incredible
work
they
did
with
the
Bangladeshi
community
and
others,
and
the
chair,
yes
of
the
parks
committee,
to
accept
this
donation,
which
is
an
affirmation
and
representation
of
the
UNESCO
declaration
of
international
Mother
Language
day
and
the
rights
of
all
peoples
to
use
their
first
language,
their
mother
tongue.
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Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
My
apologies
page.
Nine
at
the
bottom
disposition
of
Spadina
expressly
properties,
Memorandum
of
Understanding
with
infrastructure,
Ontario,
believe
it
or
not.
We've
been
working
on
this
for
20
years
20
years
and
now
we're
at
the
next
step.
The
Proms
knows
what
it's
doing.
We
know
what
we're
doing
so
I'm
happy
to
move
the
staff
recommendations.
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So
I'm
moving
the
motion
there
just
10
seconds
what
it
does
in
the
attachment
1
it
lays
out
a
schedule
for
who
has
what
authority
on
how
much
relief
to
give
it
goes
up
to
50,000.
My
thought
is,
and
we
don't
currently
have
any
forgiveness
program.
My
thought
is
a
10,000.
You
have
the
ability
to
protect
people
who
are
homeowners
and
have
a
hardship,
but
beyond
that
you're
in
Pete
you
know
much
much
bigger
properties
and
for
now
those
should
come
to
Council.
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said:
I
had
two
Thank
You
speaker,
the
next
one's
on
page
12
NY.
Twenty
four
point:
three
request
for
direction:
report
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application.
Fifty
eight
forty,
fifty
eight
68
and
5870
Yonge
Street
I've
had
my
questions
answered
from
staff
when
I
can
release
that
hey.
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Favor
carry
that's
it
okay,
so
the
motions
are
going
to
be
circulated
when
we
go
through
members
motions
to
any
of
the
motions
that
members
of
council
want
to
hold
down,
they
can
hold
those
motions
down
at
the
appropriate
time.
Well,
now
go
back
to
the
item
that
we
were
debating.
We
can
put
the
the
speaker's
list
up
and
I
believe
we're
still
had
two
more
questioners.
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Is
just
if
you
could
articulate
again
that
from
a
public
health
perspective,
all
other
things
being
equal
and
there
they
never
are,
of
course,
because
there
are
good
dog
owners.
There
are
bad
dog
owners
are
good.
Cat
owners
are
bad
cat
owners.
All
are
the
things
being
all
things
being
equal.
I
x'd
that
the
possession
of
backyard
hands
is
no
more
dangerous
to
human
health
than
any
other
other
of
those
critters
through.
I
You,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
the
guidance
even
in
respect
to
the
CDC
information
I
provided
previously.
The
guidance
from
the
veterinarian
for
the
CDC
did
note
that
this
does
not
preclude
people
from
backyard
hens,
but
that
the
proper
precautions,
health
precautions
need
to
be
taken
in
all
circumstances,
just
like
with
dogs
just
like
with
cats.
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That
we
already
have
that
are
are
allowed
in
under
the
current
by
law,
in
terms
of
who
else
is
doing
it.
You
are
aware
that
there
are
many
cities.
I
think
you
listed
some
of
them
in
in
Canada
that
allow
backyard
hens
in
the
United
States.
Would
it
be
fair
to
say
the
New
York
Portland
I'm,
just
thinking
about
Detroit
Chicago
Los
Angeles
Houston
Miami
Dallas,
like
there's
virtually
top
20
cities
in
the
United
States
well
over
a
few
million
people,
all
of
them
allow.
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Yes,
those
those
two
motions
basically
allow
you
to
do
all
the
things
that
you
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
this
issue
is
contextualized
appropriately
and
that
we
as
a
city,
have
enough
control
over
this
process
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
frankly
spin
out
of
control,
not
that
it
will.
But
if
it
did,
we
would
have
those
tools.
Would
that
be
fair
to
say
through.
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G
Manner,
speaker
I'd
like
to
put
the
motion
on
the
on
the
table.
Basically,
the
request
of
my
colleague
councillors
is
to
allow
a
pilot
to
go
on
in
five
words:
Scott
Ward's
513,
21
32.
Those
are
the
words
of
a
councillor
DT,
no
a
councillor
to
set
myself
and
councillor
sorry,
but
man
for
a
period
of
up
to
three
years,
with
an
interim
review
at
18
months.
The
participants
of
the
program
would
have
to
register
there'd
be
a
limit
of
four
per
per
property.
G
It
would
not
be
allowed
in
apartment
buildings
as
they
are
in
New
York,
by
the
way,
condominium
buildings
or
properties
without
sufficient
outdoor
space.
They
would
determine
what
that
the
definition
of
that
the
participants
would
have
to
agree
to
regular
inspections.
No
roosters
would
be
from
permitted
I.
They
would
have
to
comply
with
all
the
applicable
care
of
animals,
bought
laws
and
bylaws,
and
they
would
remain
the
owner's
property
unless
they
went
off
property,
in
which
case
they
obviously
would
be
considered
at
large
in
the
city.
G
Public
health
would
also
monitor
this,
along
with
the
Toronto
Food
Policy
Council,
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
on
the
up
and
up
and
I
understand
that
there's
another
motion
coming
adding
additional
boundaries,
fences
protocols
around
this
Menace
speaker
I-
was
around
when
the
six
minutes
of
penalty.
Some
of
us
were,
and
we
had
to
combine
our
animal
control
bylaws.
Some
municipalities
had
allowed
it
some
didn't
and
I.
Remember,
though,
that
day,
because
we
were
debating
amongst
ourselves
well,
where
should
we
put
hands,
and
it
really?
It
took
all
of
about
two
seconds
to
say?
G
No,
let's
worry
about
that
at
another
time.
It
wasn't
a
thoughtful
thoughtful
position.
We
allowed
pigeons,
we
allowed
rabbits,
we
loved
guinea
pigs,
we
allowed
cats,
we
allow
dogs,
but
some
people
like
hens,
and
there
is
no
reason
why,
when
a
resident
comes
for
another
country,
another
place
urban
area,
rural
area
who
comes
to
Toronto
when
they
were
able
to
do
it
in
their
country
or
place
of
origin,
should
not
be
able
to
do
and
have
those
pets
here
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
What's
the
context
why?
G
Why
am
I
so
passionate
about
this
particular
issue?
And
it
is
serious,
we
have
a
very
strong
urban
agricultural
movement
in
the
city
of
Toronto.
That's
why
they're
pounding
on
our
doors
for
urban
gardens?
That's
why
they're
pounding
on
our
doors
for
food
that
is
made
that
is
produced
as
close
as
possible
to
where
it
is
consumed
that
is
healthy.
That
is
that
that
where
people
know
the
origins
of
that
food,
that's
really
how
to
understand.
That's
one
angle
to
understand
what
is
happening
here
so
there's
a
mood.
G
G
People
might
not
know,
but
we
actually
already
endorsed
doing
this
in
the
2002
grote
Oh,
an
urban
agricultural
action
plan
for
the
City
of
Toronto.
One
of
its
recommendations
was
to
allow
backyard
hens
to
be
kept
in
the
city.
Chickens
are
just
one
part
of
a
healthy
urban
food
system
that
can
operate
and
provide
food
for
residents
in
an
affordable
and
ethical
way.
Now
some
people
say
that
this
is
this
is
going
to
invite
bad
practice
with
hens
and
I.
G
Think
my
colleague
that
last
council
meeting
spoke
of
some
of
the
things
that
might
happen
well,
I
asked
you
it's
factory
farming,
fair,
any
any
hen,
absolutely
not
those
chickens
never
are
allowed
to
stretch
beyond
a
very
they
just,
never
stretch,
that's
how
our
eggs
are
produced
today
it
that
factory
farming
is
cruelty
to
animals.
Now,
unless
you
are
an
absolute
vegan,
if
you
eat
chicken
or
if
you
eat
eggs,
then
this
is
a
much
fairer
and
more
humane
way
of
raising
raising
chickens
on
the
public
health
issue.
G
A
vancouver
public
health
study
was
done
a
few
years
ago.
No
problem
was
identified
there.
The
trial
period
would
be
short.
It's
not
in
other
people's
award.
I
say
give
the
movement
a
chance
to
do
its
work,
to
figure
this
out
and
we'll
come
back
with
the
with
a
good
report,
saying
exactly
what
our
experience
was.
Thank,
oh.
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This
is
not
clarification,
counsel,
clarity,
Ana's,
okay,
I
I,
don't
know
like
this.
The
motion
is
right
here.
You
need
to
ask
questions
on
the
motion.
That's
what
questions
are
for
I'm,
sorry,
but
that's!
Those
are
the
rules
counselor
counselor
to
bear
maker
to
speak.
Counselor
do
bear
maker
to
speak.
Thank.
F
You
madam
Speaker
I'm
wondering
if
the
clerk's
could
put
up
my
emotions.
I
just
have
two
amendments
to
the
staff
report,
which
I'll
be
supporting,
of
course,
the
staff
report
and
these
two
amendments,
one
which
is
allows
earth
Rangers
to
continue
using
their
existing
skunk
pine,
marten,
armadillo
and
porcupine
for
educational
purposes,
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
until
January,
1st
2021
and
we're
gonna
say
or
until
they
die.
Whichever
is
first,
but
we
just
thought
we
would
leave
that
out.
So
this
just
allows
the
earth
Rangers
to
close
down
their
show
over
time.
F
They're
happy
they're
happy
to
do
it,
they're
willing
to
do
it.
They
understand
the
changing
values
of
society
and
they
have
these
animals
are
very
specialized
animals.
So
they've
asked
for
a
small
extension
as
well.
The
Toronto
Zoo
we're
making
it
I'll
call
it
a
technical
amendment
to
say
Toronto
zoo
animals
instead
of
Toronto
Zoo
premises,
which
allows
the
Toronto
Zoo
to
take
some
of
their
animals
like
rattlesnakes
down
to
the
Hospital
for
Sick
Children
out
to
the
airport
out
to
the
police,
training
facilities
to
show
them.
F
What
rattlesnakes
look
like
because,
apparently
that's
one
of
the
things
they
have
to
do,
and
the
second
motion
just
asks
a
staff
to
report
back
in
the
first
quarter
of
2018
on,
what's
called
the
the
advantages
and
merits
of
a
positive
list
for
the
regulation
of
animals
and
and
that's
primarily
because
unfortunately,
nowadays
we're
finding
with
the
internet.
Anybody
anywhere
with
a
computer
and
with
a
Visa
card
can
purchase
about
any
organism.
F
They
want
on
this
planet
on
the
Internet
and
get
it
shipped
through
Canada,
Post
or
a
courier
company,
and
so
we're
asking
staff
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
a
positive
list
which
says
before
you
import
any
type
of
exotic
animal
into
this
city.
You
have
to
make
sure
that
you're
properly
qualified
and
there's
an
ability
to
take
care
of
it
and
it
does
not
pose
a
threat
like
other
invasive
species,
do
into
the
local
natural
ecosystem.
So
with
that,
madam
Speaker
I
would
urge
my
colleagues
to
support
the
staff
recommendations
and
these
two
amendments.
F
Although
we
are
having
a
bit
of
fun
with
chickens,
the
prohibited
animal
list
is
here
for
a
reason,
and
it's
because
we
have
to
protect
our
neighbors,
sometimes
from
themselves
or
our
neighbors
from
another
neighbor
who
wants
to
bring
in
a
baby
tiger,
or
example
that
we've
had
in
the
city
in
the
last
year,
where
somebody
thinks
it's
cute
and
fun
to
bring
in
all
sorts
of
animals
and
again
it
literally
puts
people
in
harm's
way.
Those
animals
are
not
taken
care
of
properly
and
when
you
get
into
the
smaller
ones,
I
will
call
them.
F
We
have
these
fly-by-night
organizations
that
are
handling
animals
and
creatures.
They
should
not
be
handling,
they
are
putting
children
at
risk.
They
are
putting
the
public
at
risk
and
they're
actually
putting
those
animals
at
risk
too,
and
in
the
end,
it's
the
City
Animal
Services
that
has
clean
up
the
mess
so
I'm
just
people
to
support
the
staff
report
and
these
amendments.
Thank
you.
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There
there
are
people
who
don't
like
the
positive
list
will
tell
you
that,
but
we
have
all
sorts
of
people
who
call
themselves
hobbyists
who
import
all
sorts
of
exotic
animals
into
this
city
that
if
they
were
released
into
hi
Park
pond,
for
example,
they
would
wipe
out
much
of
the
wildlife
that's
in
there
now.
So
this
this
allows
our
staff
to
say
before
you
would
bring
in
anything
you
wanted
in
the
city.
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F
We're
asking
to
do
is
report
back
in
2018
on
the
creation
of
a
positive
list
which
is
sort
of
the
flipside
of
a
negative
list.
Right
now
we
have
a
negative
list
saying
you
can't
have,
for
example,
a
penguin.
However,
there
are
other
types
of
penguins
that
you
could
import
into
this
city
and
we
would
say:
whoops
we
didn't
prohibit
it
and
therefore
you're
allowed
to
have
it
so
alligators
reptiles,
fish
a
lot.
There
are
a
lot
of
species
that
and
we
don't
want
released
into
our
local
ponds
in
our
streams.
Thank.
D
You
to
my
colleague
deputy
mayor,
the
beer
maker.
Now
once
we
do
a
positive
less
than
a
negative
list.
How
would
you
address
the
issue
if
another
municipality
has
is
allows
these
animals
to
be
there
and
the
individual
goes
to
the
airport,
picks
up
the
the
animal
and
goes
to
the
401?
How
would
you
address
that
I
mean
I?
Think
they
gonna
be
intervening.
I
mean
contravening
this.
This
thing
I
mean
the
transportation
of
animals
through
our
city,
I
I,.
F
Would
leave
that
for
staff
to
tell
us
about
in
the
staff
report
that
would
come
back
to
licensing
committee?
Certainly,
my
intention
in
this
motion
isn't
for
somebody
who
might
be
transporting
some
type
of
octopus
or
squid
or
eel
through
our
city
or
liger
or
tiger,
but
if
you
wanted
to
own
a
tiger
or
an
octopus
or
some
type
of
eel,
to
have
it
at
your
house,
that's
when
this
would
kick
in,
but
I
would
leave
that
for
staff
to
talk
about
this
isn't
strictly.
D
For
residential
purposes
like
for
address
where
the
animals
would
live,
not
for
transportation,
that's
correct
and
commercial
premises
as
well.
So
if
somebody
was,
let's
say
to
transport
something
through
the
city
according
to
this
and
to
for
a
show-
that's
fine
yeah.
So
these
these
people
can
have
the
animals
outside
the
city
bring
them
into.
Our
schools
show
the
children
and
transport
back
no.
F
F
D
D
F
Yeah
I
think
we
through
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
we
had
this
discussion
at
the
licensing
committee.
We
asked
our
executive
director
if
she
was
satisfied
with
the
level
of
public
consultation.
They
did
in
fact
get
formal
responses
if
I'm
trying
to
look
over
that
way
from
the
Toronto,
School,
Board
and
I
think
from
the
Catholic
school
board,
but
I
think
for
sure
the
Toronto
Public
School
Board,
so
educational
representatives
were
there
and
they
supported
the
staff
recommendation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
Afternoon
M
speaker
to
my
colleague,
so
my
question
counselor,
is
on
your
first
motion
on
the
amendment.
Yes,
so
this
is
for
Earth
Rangers
for
educational
purposes.
My
office
have
received
some
complaints
from
other
organizations
who
have
won
in
this
bylaw
extended
staff
have
said
that
they
would
not
recommend
that.
So
my
question
to
you
is
that
is
this
staff
recommended
and
one
is
the
difference
between
Earth's
Rangers
and
any
other.
Why
are
we
giving
Earth's
Rangers
an
exemption
here.
F
Certainly
a
three
madam
Speaker
earth
Rangers
is
a
well-established
well
known
national
charity
that
raises
millions
of
dollars.
A
year.
Has
professional
veterinarians
and
professional
handlers
and
professional
trainers
has
insurance
and
I
can't
remember
what
their
insurance
is
of
millions
of
dollars.
F
Unlike
some
of
the
groups
they're
not
opposing
our
bylaw,
all
they
asked
was
for
more
time
because
they
have
these
very
specialized
creatures
and
they're,
gonna,
sort
of
retire
them
and
once
they're
retired
nothing
goes
go
back.
In
my
understanding
with
some
of
the
groups,
they
may
not
be
the
same
ones
that
we're
both
talking
about,
but
some
organizations
just
didn't
agree
with
this
at
all
and
just
wanted
to
be
exempt
and
I.
F
Don't
support
that
exemption
with
the
blank
check
saying
you
can
do
it
as
long
as
you
want
this
organizations
I
think
demonstrated
to
me
that
they're
responsible
enough
and
they're
not
opposing
our
legislation.
They're
agreeing
with
it
they've
just
asked
for
a
little
bit
more
time,
so
I
don't
even
think
it'll
be
to
2021,
because
animals
don't
live
that
long.
Often
right.
F
I
did
it
in
cooperation
with
Animal
Services
staff.
I,
don't
want
to
put
words
in
their
mouth
I
think
they
didn't
support
specifically
earth
Rangers
because
they
said
again
well,
we
as
staff
I,
knew
we
pick
one
and
not
the
other,
it's
very
difficult
for
us
to
staff
to
do
that.
So
it
would
be
more
of
a
council
decision
and
if
you,
as
one
of
our
animal
advocates,
thinks
that's
reasonable
and
you
can
move
it
and
we're
comfortable
if
you
adopt
it
as
Council
Thank.
B
H
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
also
have
a
motion.
If
we
can
put
that
up,
it's
very
similar,
a
councillor
maahox
motion
and
it's
it's.
It's
really
not
rocket.
Science
I
mean
the
parameters
of
these
two
motions
come
from
mostly
municipalities
that
already
allow
backyard
chickens,
so
we're
talking
sites,
rear
yard
setbacks,
we're
talking
guidelines
for
enclosures,
we're
talking
about
a
pilot
project.
Most
importantly
on
item
number:
five:
it
states,
City,
Council,
direct
executive
director,
municipal
licensing
and
standards
to
include
in
the
report
back.
H
This
is
what's
so
important
is
that
we
have
a
pilot
project
and
we're
gonna.
Ask
that
we
report
back
to
the
licensing
and
Sanders
community
end
of
the
pilot
details,
including
complaints,
received
very
legitimate
actions
taken
another
very
legitimate
thing.
We
should
track
staffing
and
resource
impacts
and
financial
impacts
matter
speaker.
You
know
it
gets
to
me
sometimes
when
most
people
in
this
room
publicly
would
say
that
they
are
not.
H
You
know,
supporters
of
the
Donald
Trump
style
politics
that
we're
seeing
in
the
United
States,
but
it's
become
very
apparent
with
some
of
my
colleagues
here
tonight.
That
fact
and
reason
are
out
the
window
and
that
the
politics
of
fear
is
what
they
prefer
to
practice
and
it
becomes.
It
becomes
very
unfortunate
because
almost
every
negative
fact
I've
heard
about
backyard
chickens
is
not
true.
The
science
doesn't
support
it.
The
facts
don't
support
it.
The
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
people
already
have
chickens
in
their
backyards.
H
Today,
their
neighbors
probably
don't
even
know
they
have
backyard
chickens.
I
can
tell
you
that
from
experience,
my
father's
got
backyard
chickens.
My
children
love
it.
It's
theirs.
There's
never
been
a
health
issue
with
my
dad's
chickens.
It's
been
over
five
years
by
the
way,
they're
all
still
laying
eggs
over
five
years
old.
Another
fact
that
you
know,
while
they
they
they
lay
eggs
for
two
years,
and
then
we
have
them,
pretend
it's
not
true.
H
They
continue
to
lay
eggs
and
the
reason
why
people
aren't
going
to
get
rid
of
their
chickens
is
because
chickens
believe
it
or
not.
Are
social
animals,
people
like
chickens
as
pets,
so
you
know
the
the
the
noise.
Let's
look
at
the
existing
municipalities
in
Ontario
that
can
tell
us
there
is
no
noise
from
chickens.
They
don't
make
noise,
look
at
look
in
the
Agra
Falls
five
hundred
dog
complaints
versus
10
chicken
complaints
last
year
for
noise
I
mean
we
don't
have
to
talk
about.
We
don't
bring
fear
out.
H
The
reason
why
there
isn't
really
the
need
for
public
consultation
is
because
we
already
know
how
it
works
in
all
these
other
municipalities,
and
you
know
the
argument
that
everybody's
gonna
have
chickens,
and
you
know
everybody's
gonna
be
ticked
off.
Well,
if
everybody's
got
chickens,
that
means
we're
making
the
right
decision
because
everybody
wants
chickens.
The
fact
is
this:
this
is
a
hobby
okay.
This
is
for
people
who
already
intrigued
and
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
the
outdoors
and
doing
community
gardens
and
they're
and
they're
out
there,
and
they
want
to.
H
They
want
to
bring
their
food
closer
to
home.
That's
who's!
Gonna!
Do
this!
It's
not
going
to
be
the
minute
we
we
approve.
This
is
going
to
be
a
rush
to
the
farms
out
in
in
in
country
in
the
countryside
and
and
everybody
gonna
bring
chickens
back
to
Toronto.
Is
that
gonna
happen?
Let's
just
be
realistic
about
this.
There's
people
in
Toronto,
myself
included,
don't
want
that
experience
and
it's
there's.
No
health
concerns
whatsoever.
H
So
I'm
asking
you
to
please
not
let
the
politics
of
fear
get
before
you
today
understand
that
you
know
if
Iran
is
going
to
be
a
great
city,
we're
just
gonna,
follow
so
many
other
cities,
big
cities
that
allow
chickens
in
our
communities
and
we're
gonna,
do
it
based
on
emotions
that
are
going
to
ask
our
MLS
team
to
look
at
best
practices
and
other
municipalities
and
and
make
it
happen.
So
I
hope
everyone
here
will
consider
the
pilot
and
we
can
all
learn
from
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
B
A
A
B
B
A
B
B
B
Madam
Speaker
I'll
be
very
brief.
I
won't
repeat
all
of
the
reasons
that
I
feel
that
this
is
not
a
good
idea,
because
everybody
else
has
talked
about
it
extensively.
All
I
will
say,
as
I've
received
emails
from
some
residents
in
some
of
the
wards
in
the
pilot
area,
and
one
of
the
things
I
would
make
sure
that
councillors
realized
before
they
push
their
yes
button
on
this.
If
that's,
what
you're
inclined
to
do
is
that
this
item
was
not
recommended.
B
This
pilot
project
was
not
recommended
by
staff
and
because
it
was
not
recommended
by
staff
those
people
who
would
want
to
come
and
depute
against
it
wouldn't
realize
it
would
be
on
the
floor
of
council.
So
the
residents
of
these
wards
never
had
a
chance
to
depute
thinking
that
would
be
a
pilot
project.
B
So
I,
don't
think
that's
really
the
way
this
council
operates
on
matters
like
this
and
I
can
tell
you
from
my
own
experience
the
list
of
prohibited
animals
is
a
list
that
took
a
lot
of
care
in
developing
a
lot
of
community
consultation
along
the
way
over
a
lot
of
years
and
changing
that
list.
I.
Think
requires
some
community
consultation.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
Thank
You,
speaker.
D
Following
what
the
counselor
said,
I
would
like
to
have
this
sent
back
the
licensing
standards
committee
for
further
consideration
for
people
to
come.
Make
deputations
I
think
it's
goofs
us
to
make
sure
that
we
listen
for
our
constituents.
People
have
the
right
to
be
heard,
so
I
would
move
this
motion.
Please.
A
D
A
D
D
A
J
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
I
won't
be
very
long.
I
just
want
to
remind
people
actually
why
we
started
this
report.
As
you
heard,
when
I
was
asking
questions,
we
started
this
report
because
several
councilors
were
concerned
how
animals
were
being
treated.
I
have
a
photograph
here
which
I
was
going
to
put
up,
but
I'm
not
going
to
do
that,
because
I
find
it
very
upsetting.
This
photograph
I
have
and
I'm
sure.
Last
year
year,
before
many
of
us
saw
this
kangaroo
lying
on
a
concrete
floor,
panting
no
water
in
sight.
J
That's
what
got
the
most
counts.
They're
saying
we
have
to
protect
these
animals.
They
can't
speak
for
themselves,
but
they
are
being
removed
from
where
they
live,
put
in
a
vehicle,
probably
in
a
cage
put
in
a
vehicle
and
taken
to
a
place,
they're
unfamiliar
with,
and
because
it's
usually
short-term,
they
don't
have
the
facilities
there.
These
animals
need
so
they
don't
have
a
nice
soft
bed.
They
don't
always
have
a
bowl
of
food
and
they
don't
always
have
water.
J
My
understanding
is
they
don't
feed
them
too
much
when
they're
away
from
home,
because
food
goes
through
an
animal
and
they
don't
want
to
have
to
play
that
up
during
the
visit
there
or
through
transportation
too
much
information
I
apologize,
I'm,
trying
to
be
very
good
here,
so
we
felt
that
this
was
cruel,
behavior.
It
actually
doesn't
matter
what
the
animal
is.
We
were
looking
at
trying
to
protect
these
animals.
We
heard
about
a
flamingo
standing
in
a
little
bowl
of
water.
We
saw
this
kangaroo.
J
We
know
of
other
animals
taken
away
from
their
comfort
zone.
So
that's
really
why
we
opened
this
up.
However,
I
do
support
backyard
chickens.
I
do
not
support
support
roosters
because,
believe
me,
I
know
from
my
experience
growing
up
on
an
island
with
lots
of
farms
around
me,
roosters
crow
at
sunrise,
it's
not
seven
o'clock,
it's
not
seven
o'clock
throughout
a
year,
its
whatever
that
Sun
rises,
and
we
don't
want
to
bring
that
into
a
city,
because
that
really
really
really
will
annoy
people.
J
You
also
heard
me
ask
questions
about
beehives
right
now.
The
province
allows
residents
to
have
a
beehive
on
the
property,
but
there's
rules
and
regulations
around
that.
That's
how
close
can
it
be
to
your
neighbor's
garden?
What
you
know
to
the
property
line
you
have
to
be
registered,
so
the
bees
are
protected.
People
love
to
have
honey
from
their
own
bees,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
but
we
are
looking
at
hens,
probably
four
hens,
probably
laying
hens.
Maybe
you
want
to
actually
rent
your
hands
or
maybe
you
actually
rent.
Mr.
sounds
a
bit
strange.
J
Maybe
you
actually
rent
the
egg,
allow
your
children
and
your
family
to
experience,
but
it
hatching
into
chicks,
grow
the
chicks
to
have
the
hens
to
lay
the
eggs.
It's
all
amazing.
When
this
came
before
licensing
and
standard.
In
my
first
term
we
had
families
come
out,
we
had
children
come
out
and
tell
us
the
experiences
they
were
having
having
these
hens
as
pets
in
their
gardens.
J
These
children
hug
with
these
hands.
It
is
a
pet,
it's
just
they
live
outside.
We
have
pigeons,
apparently,
when
our
pigeons
in
our
Gardens,
they
live
outside
the
same
sort
of
idea.
So
I
do
support
this,
because
this
has
been
referred
from
July,
you
probably
don't
have
all
the
mail
we've
been
receiving.
We
are
at
night
item
161
and
I
guarantee
you
the
ones
I
read
in
July
win,
favor
of
backyard
chickens.
The
ones
we
have
here
are
in
favor
of
backyard
chickens.
J
Residents
are
aware
of
what
we
are
doing
and
they
have
reached
out
and
communicated
to
us
and
they
are
in
favor
of
this
once
in
my
water
in
favor,
we've
also
heard
of
other
areas
where
these
are
allowed:
Niagara
Falls,
Brampton,
Guelph,
Kingston,
Victoria,
Vancouver
Surrey
in
the
States
as
an
example,
Chicago
New,
York,
Los
Angeles,
Miami
Boston.
It
goes
on
and
on
and
on.
We
are
not
the
first
to
think
of
this.
We
are
not
going
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
J
We
are
reaching
out
to
these
communities
and
saying
how
did
you
get
it
to
work?
What
are
your
pitfalls?
How
can
we
prevent
that
from
happening
here?
This
is
a
pilot
project.
We're
asking
we're
not
asking
you
all
to
accept
backyard
chickens
in
your
wards.
Yet
let's
do
the
pilot.
Let's
make
sure
it
works.
Let's
make
sure
municipal
license
under
standard
gets
their
handle
on
how
this
is
going
to
work,
Thank,
You,
councillor,
gist
and
I've
run
out
of
time.
So
please
support
the
backyard
hens.
E
You
speaker
I,
thought
about
this
issue
over
the
summer.
A
lot
of
information
has
come
in
about
this
there's
tons
of
resources
online,
but
I
think
the
answer
was
actually
relatively
simple.
I
thought
about
community
council
and
I
thought
about
the
topic
of
your
community
council
and
what
I've
learned
in
about
three
years
of
being
a
councillor
is
that
a
lot
of
my
job
has
to
do
with
conflict
conflict
between
two
neighbors
fighting
over
a
hedge
fighting
over
a
fence
they
they're
fighting
over
a
barking
dog
or
some
sort
of
an
addition
to
a
home.
E
What
concerns
me
about
this
is
the
potential
conflict
that
arises
out
of
us.
Changing
a
law
like
this.
Make
no
mistake
about
it.
It's
trying
to
be
downplayed
here
as
it's
just
sort
of
a
fun
hobbies.
It's
the
introduction
of
livestock
into
the
city
for
the
purposes
of
farming.
That's
essentially
what
it
is.
We've
got
a
byline
place
that
allows
us
to
keep
pets
around
and
pets
are
enough
of
a
handful.
You
know
this
from
your
experiences
in
your
ward.
You've
got
clashes
with
dog
owners.
You've
got
dealing
dealings
with
dog
parks.
E
You've
got
enough
conflict
in
a
city
that
is
constantly
evolving
into
a
more
and
more
urban
environment
that
is
more
and
more
dense.
What
happens
as
we
crank
up
the
pressure?
The
pressure
goes
back
on
the
people
and
these
issues
manifest,
and
they
become
something
that
a
councilor
has
to
deal
with.
I
would
urge
you
to
think
about
this
really
really
carefully.
E
E
Yes,
it
is
a
pilot
project
at
this
point
in
time
and
it
is
contained,
but
should
it
become
a
larger
item
you
will
now,
along
with
trees,
along
with
driveways,
along
with
fence
lines
along
with
noise
bylaws,
you
will
also
be
dealing
with
conflict
between
neighbors
with
respect
to
livestock
and
chickens
at
community
council,
and
that's
probably
the
first
step
as
we
go
from
chickens
to
the
next
type
of
animal,
where
the
arguments
are
exactly
the
same.
Please
think
carefully
about
the
path
we're
about
to
embark
on.
A
It's
really
important,
that
we
refer
back
and
go
to
the
public
process
that
we
should
be
doing
when
whenever
we
pass
a
bylaw
and
even
if
it's
a
pilot,
we
did
that
with
the
Bloor
Street
bicycle
bicycle
lanes
we
consulted
first
before
we
did
the
pilot
whenever
we
implement
any
new
bylaws
and
even
if
it's
a,
but
if
it's
a
pilot
we
consult
with
the
community.
On
this
particular
item
we
haven't
consulted
at
all.
There
are
no
deputations
from
the
community
at
all
I'm
on
licensing.
A
Now,
once
did
we
discuss
pilot
project
for
chickens,
and
now
once
did
we
discuss
certain
the
wards
in
the
city
that
wandered
the
pilot
first
of
all
councillor
to
set
and
counted
each
a
no
and
I
can't
remember.
The
other
wards
may
have
ik
that
want
the
pilot.
That's
fine!
That's
great!
Let's
have
a
count.
Let's
have
a
community
consultation
meetings
in
those
wards
and
hear
from
those
residents
if
they
support
it
or
not.
Now,
my
ward,
the
rail
track
is
the
boundary
before
councillor
to
set
board
in
my
board.
A
A
Do
they
have
to
do
residents
that
apply
for
the
permit?
Do
they
need
to
get
a
petition
with
all
the
residents
on
the
street
a
majority?
If
you
get
51%,
then
you
can
have
a
chicken
coop
in
your
backyard.
What
are
the
rules?
We
can't
just
pass
the
bylaw
without
consultation
and
say,
live
with,
and
in
18
months
we're
gonna
report
back,
that's
wrong,
that's
not
what
we
do
and
as
far
as
enforcement,
we
can't
enforce
the
dog
pile
up
with
the
dogs.
A
How
many
complaints
do
you
get
up
dogs
in
the
parks
pooping
in
the
park,
and
we
can't
enforce
the
bylaw?
We
get
them
all
the
time
we
can't
enforce
the
bylaw.
Why
are
we
passing
new
bylaws
when
we
can't
enforce
it
it's
wrong?
And
if
the
members
of
council
that
want
them
in
their
wards
is
a
pilot,
god
bless
you
consult
with
your
residents.
If
you
come
back
with
51%
of
the
residents,
saying
yes
by
all
means,
I'll
support
you,
but
until
then
I
will
not
support
the
pilot.
B
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Our
next
speaker
is
councillor.
Purusha
Oh,
councillor,
Prusa,
slow
down.
You
may
walk
to
your
desk
while
we
address
the
fact
that
it's
almost
8
o'clock,
madam
Speaker,
do
you
want
me
to
take
the
boat
on
I'm?
Looking
I'm
canvassing
for
a
motion
to
complete
the
item.
I
see
a
motion
to
complete
the
item.
B
Yes
from
Council
I
see
a
motion.
Freak-Outs
are
perks
to
take
a
vote
on
that
so
the
week
we
may
know
the
will
of
the
body
a
recorded
vote.
Councillor
Burnside
is
requesting
a
recorded
vote
on
an
emotion
from
councillor.
Perks
is
to
complete
the
item
we
are
currently
addressing
and
the
confirming
bills.