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City Council, meeting 31, July 7, 2017 - Part 1 of 2 - Morning Session
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0:01:36 - Call to order
B
Madam
Speaker
and
members
of
council
I
just
wanted
to
some
will
have
their
own
independent
updates,
but
I
just
wanted
to
update
collectively
on
our
friend
and
colleague,
deputy
mayor
Pam,
McConnell
she's
still
fighting,
but
I'm
told
that
she
had
a
good
night
as
she's,
surrounded
by
family
and
friends.
I
had
a
chance
to
go
up
yesterday
during
a
little
bit
of
our
deliberations
to
visit
her
and
she
was
surrounded
by
family
and
friends,
including
a
couple
of
people
from
here,
but
others
as
well
and
I
think
she
I
know.
B
She
very
much
appreciates
the
messages
of
support
that
people
are
sending
to
her
because
they're
being
brought
to
her
attention,
including
the
card
that
came
from
here,
that
takeoff
there
Fletcher
delivered
and
so
I
would
just
again
encourage
the
public
to
send
messages
of
love
and
encouragement
to
councillor
underscore
McConnell
at
Toronto,
dot
CA
but
she's
as
you
would
expect
fighting
and
she
had
a
comfortable
night,
I'm
told
so
we'll
all
have
our
fingers
crossed
today.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
So
members
of
council,
we
will
not
review
and
confirm
the
order
paper
to
this
point.
Councilors
completed
279
items,
there
are
23
items
left
on
the
agenda
and
four
member
motions.
Today's
meeting
must
end
by
7:30
p.m.
under
counters
councils
policy
of
ending
meetings
before
sundown
on
Fridays
to
permit
religious
observance.
B
Order,
I
just
feel
in
the
interest
of
full
plain
and
true
disclosure.
I
should
disclose
to
the
members
of
council
that
I
have
a
I
want
it.
I
guess:
I
have
to
call
it
what
it
is
a
bit
of
a
wager
with
you
in
the
to
baseball
tickets.
Stand
on
my
belief
that
we
can
finish
this
agenda
by
three
o'clock
and
I.
Don't
want
that
to
influence
anybody's
behavior,
including
yours,
including
yours,
madam
Speaker,
but
I
just
thought
it
was
best.
B
A
I'm,
not
a
beer
drinker
members
I
will
review
the
order
of
consideration
of
items
today
after
the
release
of
holds.
Please
put
your
name
under
request.
A
question.
Staff
and
I've
also
reviewed
a
number
of
urgent
motions
to
be
added
to
the
agenda
if
we
get
30
members,
but
I
also
want
to
mention.
We
do
want
to
end
early
today
as
well,
not
only
for
the
bet
that
the
mayor
and
I
have
made,
but
marilyn
is
celebrating
33
years
of
marriage
today,
so
she
would
like
to
celebrate.
D
A
A
D
A
D
L
C
A
A
Members,
the
city
clerk,
has
noted
on
the
order
paper.
The
order
of
consideration
of
items
previously
decided
by
City
Council
I
strongly
encourage
members
to
keep
the
disorder
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
members
and
staff
who
are
following
this
meeting
now
we
do
have
a
couple
of
members
motions
that
we
want
to
introduce
councillor
Layton.
Yes,.
N
A
A
N
I
we
spoke
about
this
earlier,
it's
critical
that
it
happened
before
the
bills
so
and
and
preferably
this
morning,
so
that
everything
can
get
ready
and
staff.
We
may
lose
staff
this
afternoon
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
quite
clear.
That
I
wanted
to
give
time
for
for
council
to
review
the
staff
report
that
will
be
circulated,
so
I'd
recommend
that
we
hear
it
after
CC,
31.1,
I've
spoken
to
councillor,
Grimes
who's,
holding
PG,
21.9
and
I
believe
this
will
be
a
quick
item.
B
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
morning,
I
am
mindful
of
the
time
constraints
of
council,
but
I'm
pleased
to
provide
for
councils
information,
a
very
high-level
overview
of
our
investigation
report
released
in
May,
which
dealt
with
the
handling
of
a
park.
Permit
I'm
going
to
deal
briefly
this
morning
with
three
areas:
how
the
issue
arose
that
led
to
the
investigation.
E
In
July
of
2016,
so
just
a
year
ago
now
there
were
several
media
reports
of
the
city
having
booted
a
sports
program
for
toddlers
out
of
an
East
End
park
because
of
complaints
by
neighbors.
The
sports
program
was
run
by
an
organization,
a
company
called
sport
ball
and
the
park
was
Lindale
parkette
other
terms
in
the
media
coverage
at
the
time.
We're
that
the
city
had
kicked
out,
the
toddlers
had
turfed
or
thrown
them
out
of
the
park,
and
some
people
were,
of
course,
very
upset
by
this
turn
of
events.
E
As
you
know,
members
of
council,
the
people
of
Toronto,
have
very
strong
feelings
about
our
parks
and
also
about
our
neighborhoods,
and
this
issue
touched
on
both
of
those.
So
my
office
started
an
inquiry
to
informally
look
at
what
had
occurred
and
information
that
we
gathered
raised.
Some
questions
about
the
process
that
the
city
had
used
in
approving
the
permit
in
the
first
place,
in
dealing
with
the
complaints
when
they
occurred,
and
then
in
its
decision
to
revoke
the
permit
and
move
the
program
elsewhere.
E
So
we
decided
to
launch
an
investigation
to
take
a
closer
look.
We
wanted
to
determine
whether
what
had
happened
was
fair
but,
more
importantly,
we
saw
an
opportunity
to
make
some
recommendations
to
improve
the
way
that
park
permitting
is
handled
in
the
city.
Of
course,
that's
the
essence
of
an
ombudsman.
It's
work,
I'm,
sorry.
E
So
as
part
of
our
investigation,
our
investigator
conducted
several
interviews
with
people
on
different
sides
of
this
issue
and
with
different
perspectives
on
it.
She
also
reviewed
extensive
documentation
provided
by
parks,
forestry
and
Rec
you
recreation
and
looked
at
the
bylaws
and
policies
she.
Finally,
she
conducted
a
site
visit
in
terms
of
the
findings
about
what
happened.
E
We
also
found
that
the
city
didn't
give
reasons
to
the
company
or
the
participants
in
the
program,
for
the
reason
that
it
made
to
change
the
location
and
when
we
asked
staff
was
not
able
to
tell
us.
In
fact
what
policies
did
apply,
what
the
clear
reason
for
the
decision
was,
and
there
was
some
disagreement
among
the
staff
members.
We
asked
about
the
reasoning
for
the
decision.
E
We
found
that
there
is
really
no
process
in
place
currently
for
handling
complaints,
about
the
way
parks
are
used
or
for
addressing
permit
violations.
The
complaints
policy
currently
deals
with
complaints
about
service
by
pfn
are
to
members
of
the
public,
but
doesn't
address
complaints
about
the
way
parks
are
used
or
permit
violations.
So,
in
short,
we
found
that
the
way
the
permit
was
approved,
how
it
was
addressed
and
how
it
was
cancelled,
all
lacked
fundamental
fairness
and
needed
improvement.
E
I
just
want
to
note,
we
did
not
make
any
finding
about
whether
this
particular
program
should
or
should
not
have
been
in
lyndale
Park
that
wasn't
our
focus.
Our
focus
was
on
the
various
processes
that
had
been
used
to
deal
with
the
complaints
issue,
the
permit
etc,
as
I've
mentioned,
and
whether
those
were
fair
or
needed
improvement.
E
So,
moving
to
the
recommendations,
we
made
8
recommendations
which
we
believe
will
improve
fairness,
transparency,
consistency
and
accountability
in
the
way
that
Park
permits
are
handled
by
the
city,
they've
all
been
accepted
by
PFN.
Our
highlights
include
development
of
a
clear
process
to
assess
a
permit
application
when
there's
a
new
new
use
being
proposed
for
a
park,
creating
rules
for
staff
who
are
considering
perhaps
cancelling
or
relocating
a
permit,
whether
it's
because
of
complaints
or
flooding
or
for
any
other
reason.
E
In
fact,
over
300,000
permits
are
issued
every
year
of
which
7,000
our
commercial
permits
for
sports
fields-
diamonds,
stadiums
in
parkland
like
this
one
was
so
it's
important
to
put
this
incident
in
context.
But
but
what
went
wrong
here
is
an
important
reminder
of
the
need
for
administrative
fairness
and
proper
policies
in
the
way
that
the
city
delivers
public
services.
E
It's
important
that
the
that
these
staff
members
have
some
discretion
in
this
case
they
needed
to
balance
the
interests
of
the
permit
holder
and
its
clients,
with
the
interests
of
the
neighbors,
to
decide
what
was
right
in
the
circumstances
and
to
work
to
find
creative
solutions
when
a
problem
arose.
But
the
investigation
illustrates
the
point
that
a
focus,
a
narrow
focus
on
good
customer
service,
which
of
course,
is
important
in
delivery
of
city
services.
It's
not
always
the
whole
story
when
it
comes
to
delivering
them
in
a
way
that
is
fair
to
everyone.
E
So
in
closing,
I
would
just
like
to
acknowledge
the
participation
and
cooperation
of
PF
and
our
staff,
who
were
very
gracious
and
enthusiastic
about
our
efforts
to
better
understand
what
had
went,
gone
wrong
and
how
services
might
be
improved.
They
provided
excellent
cooperation
to
us
throughout
and
they
have
accepted
and
supported
our
recommendations
and
are
already
in
the
process
of
implementing
them
in
responding
to
the
investigation.
E
Miss
romoff
said
that
it
was
very
timely
because
the
division
is
in
the
process
of
replacing
its
registration
and
permitting
software
and
see
to
improve
business
processes,
to
create
a
knowledge
base
for
staff
and
to
simplify
online
information
for
the
public.
So
now,
all
of
the
recommendations
that
arose
from
this
investigation
will
become
part
of
that
that
effort,
as
we
always
do,
ombudsman
Toronto
will
monitor
implementation
of
the
recommendations
to
make
sure
that
it's
complete
and
satisfactory
and
then
I
just
would
also
like
to,
of
course
acknowledge
the
great
work
of
my
team.
E
O
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker.
First
of
all
to
be
Ombudsman.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
patient
and
sitting
through
a
day
in
May
and
a
day
yesterday,
so
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
that
Parks
has
agreed
to
the
recommendations,
I
think
they're,
reasonable.
That's
great
one
thing,
I
read
in
the
report.
Could
you
highlight
just
very
quickly
the
permit
times
that
this
applicant
was
asking
for?
E
There
were
different
times
communicated
at
different
stages
in
the
process,
which
was
really
part
of
the
problem
and
when
I
said
that
the
information
was
incomplete,
it
was
in
part
because
there
was
a
bit
of
a
moving
target.
But
basically,
yes,
there
were.
There
were
weekday
times
there
were
weekday
evening
times
and
there
were
Sundays.
O
E
It
would
probably
be
fair
to
say
that
there
was
a
misunderstanding
or
a
miscommunication
about
that.
They
were
talking
about
numbers
of
sessions
and
then
they
were
in
numbers
of
kids
per
session,
and
then
people
didn't
realize
that
that
there
would
be
parents
hanging
around
as
well
so
I
wouldn't
say
it
was
a
misrepresentation,
but
I
would
say
that
perhaps
staff
should
have
made
sure
to
have
clearer
information
and
understanding
in
the
process.
Okay,.
O
I
guess
my
next
question
thank
you
is
to
the
general
manager
of
parks,
so
in
this
report
had
indicated
and
I'm
gonna
pick
on
the
Sunday
I
think
the
Sunday
from
my
understanding
was
the
biggest
concern
the
permit
holder
requested
sunday
hours
to
be
from
10
to
11:30,
but
actually
they
were
in
the
park
at
9
a.m.
on
Sunday
blowing
whistles
at
little
children
who
were
having
great
fun
but
making
a
lot
of
noise.
How
do
we
you,
as
park
staff,
follow?
O
H
Through
the
speaker,
it's
a
great
question.
Thank
you.
You
know,
as
as
the
Ombudsman
is
noted,
we
have
300,000
permits
per
year,
and
you
know,
for
the
most
part,
permitting
is
on
the
honor
system.
With
the
permit
holder,
we
certainly
don't
have
staff
available
at
every
location
on
every
time
that
a
permit
is
being
offered.
So
if
the
permit
holder
is
not
using
the
appropriate
times
quite
often
the
way
we'll
hear
about
it
is
through
complaints
from
a
community
or
or
issues
that
come
forward
publicly.
So.
O
We
obviously
I
understand
we
can't
have
someone
out
there
all
time
all
the
time.
The
other
thing
I
do
actually
I
like
from
this
report
and
I'm
sure
you
will
agree
that
our
park
supervisors
are
some
of
the
best
people
to
say
whether
this
particular
activity
would
fit
into
the
park,
because
I
understand
that
our
permit
people
obviously
can't
know
every
single
park
with
permitting.
So
are
we
putting
somewhere
in
here
that
our
park
supervisors
do
get
to
see
these
unusual
requests,
particularly
when
we're
starting
a
new
activity
in
a
nubuck
through
the
through.
H
The
speaker,
our
current
process,
is
that
if
there
is
a
requested
use
of
a
park
as
an
example
that
has
never
taken
place
before
there's
a
discussion
between
the
permit
clerk
and
the
park
supervisor
around
the
appropriateness
of
that
particular
activity.
For
that
Park,
that's
an
existing
policy
and
an
approach
that
we
have
now
that
we
will
continue.
As
the
ombudsman
is
noted.
O
H
Certainly
is
through
the
speaker
and
and
the
recommendations
the
report
is,
the
Ombudsman
is
noted
are
things
that
we've
been
looking
at
and
thinking
about.
As
far
as
the
review
of
the
permitting
process
that
is
currently
taking
place,
we're
in
full
support
of
the
recommendations
and
and
are
already
looking
at
implementing
some
of.
E
E
In
this
case,
the
reason
that
we
started
to
look
into
the
issue
was
because
of
these
very
inflammatory
media
reports
that
suggested
that
the
city
had
acted
unfairly
and
inappropriately,
and
that's
right
within
our
mandate
to
to
look
at
areas
where
that
may
have
occurred
and
to
make
recommendations
to
improve
systems.
So.
E
Hope
it
would
have
I
think
there
are
many
mechanisms
in
place
to
assist
with
that
from
the
councillor.
As
you
mentioned,
my
office
as
well
is
always
keen
to
assist
in
informal
resolution
of
problems
between
members
of
the
public
and
and
the
city,
administration
and
I.
Think
parks,
as
well,
you
know,
was,
was
making
bonafide
efforts
to
to
balance
the
situation.
It's
just
that
the
process
is
when
we
went
deeper,
the
processes
were
lacking
and
we
seized
the
opportunity
to
recommend
improvements
to
those
and.
P
So
there
are
times
where
we
have
some
events
that
have
been
permitted
throughout
the
years.
There's
a
long
history
to
it,
we've
become
quite
familiar
with
it,
and
then
there
are
new
emerging
communities,
new
activities,
new
animation
and
programming
that
is
desired
by
the
local
community
or
the
various
stakeholders,
and
then
there's
oftentimes
the
conflict
of
available
space,
a
certain
number
of
days
on
a
weekend
and
there's
number
that
everybody
wants
these
permits.
P
So
as
we
as
we
move
towards
as
we
pushed
forward
and
try
to
be
fair
to
everyone
and
to
create
a
place
of
equity
for
people
to
access
those
permits.
How
do
how
does
this
report
influence
that
particular
obstacle
and
challenge
which
I
know
exists,
especially
for
emerging
new
communities,
newcomer
communities
that
are
trying
to
break
into
the
the
park
permit
system
so
that
they
can
actually
organize
for
their
communities?.
E
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
to
answer
councillor
Wong
Tam's
question:
I,
think
that
these
recommendations
go
directly
to
the
issues
that
that
have
been
raised,
because
these
recommendations
improve
the
fairness,
the
transparency,
the
consistency
and
the
accountability
of
the
processes
that
the
many
staff
npf
and
our
use
in
deciding
on
many
many
permits
throughout
the
year.
The
processes
need
to
be
clear.
They
need
to
be
accessible.
Members
of
the
public
need
to
know
how
can
I
apply
for
a
permit
if
it's
a
new
use,
how
will
it
be
evaluated?
What
information
is
required
from
us?
E
What
information
will
help
me
to
get
the
permit
that
I'm?
Looking
for
what
are
my
obligations
when
asking
for
the
permit
in
terms
of
providing
clear,
unambiguous
information
about
my
plans,
what
can
I
expect
if
somebody
complains
about
my
use
of
the
permit
or
if
the,
if
they
say
that
I'm
violating
the
permit?
What
kind
of
process
will
be
followed?
E
These
very
things
are
what
we
hope
will
be,
what
we
believe
will
be
improved
and
that
should
make
it
easier
and
more
fair
for
everybody,
every
member
of
the
public,
whether
somebody
who's
been
having
a
permit
year
after
year
for
many
years
or
somebody
who
is
seeking
a
new
use
through
a
permit
to
access
those
services.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
K
Just
want
to
confirm
the
current
when
there's
permitted
use,
particularly
a
new
one
in
a
park
that
may
not
have
had
any
permits
before
or
let's
say
we
have
a
market
or
something
moving
into
a
park
which
is
new.
What's
the
role
of
the
on-the-ground
Park
staff
in
giving
feedback
to
the
permit
office
on
that
currently,.
H
Through
the
through
the
speaker,
you
know,
as
I
outlined
in
the
in
the
previous,
the
Park
supervisor.
If
there's
a
new
use
of
a
park,
the
permit
clerk,
the
processes
will
contact
the
local
Park
supervisor
for
the
reason
that
that
Park
supervisor
has
the
best
knowledge
of
what
goes
on
in
that
park
and
the
actual
attributes
of
that
Park
and
we'll
review
what
the
proposal
is
for
the
permit
and
based
on
the
park
supervisors
comments
that
will
influence
that
new
use
and
approval
of
the
permit.
H
K
K
Correct
and
so
when
somebody
gets
a
permit
for
a
certain
time,
would
you
not
call
that
a
bit
sacrosanct
and
I
know
having
been
in
these
negotiations
as
with
the
park
supervisor
and
others
what
time
that
permit
should
really
start
based
on
what
else
is
going
on
in
the
community?
So
if
you
have
a
permit
for
ten,
that's
your
permit
time.
It's
not
nine!
It's
not
8:30,
that's
correct,
and,
and
so
the
onus
really
is
on
the
once
you're,
given
that
permit.
Those
are
the
times
that
you're
allowed
to
have
that
function
in
that
Park.
K
So
the
other
option
would
have
been
to
simply
pull
the
permit
or
to
not
approve
the
permit
at
all.
Well,
had
they
not
they
got
in
the
park
and
then
started
at
a
different
use,
different
hours
or
on
the
permit
yeah.
So
once
that
started
and
they're
not
within
their
permit
times,
what
options
do
you
have?
You
could
have
easily
pulled
the
permit
and
said
you're,
not
using
any
of
us
parks.
The.
H
K
H
K
K
Just
generally,
some
of
those
bigger
uses
where
you
have
multiple
activities
under
permits,
if
you
have
issues
I
guess
there
is
a
system
that
you
have
to
go
in
and
start
to
fix
that
that
would
be
the
park.
Supervisor
would
kind
know.
What's
going
on,
have
a
conversation
with
the
people
that
were
in
there
is
the
fact
this
was
Sunday
morning
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
because
we
probably
don't
have
a
full
crew.
I
would
on
a
Sunday
morning
through.
H
K
I
H
H
Through
the
speaker,
we're
not
for
looking
at
policies
presented
through
Council
approved
policies,
there
may
be
some
small
tweaks
to
those
policies,
but
we're
not
looking
at
a
huge
policy
review.
It's
more
around
the
administration,
the
accessibility
and
the
customer
service
components
of
permits.
We
have
made
some
small
changes
already
and
we
are
looking
at
things
like
collapsing
permit
categories
so
that
they're
easier
to
understand
and
and
easier
for
the
public
to
access.
Okay,.
I
Because
we
have
had
over
the
years
these
ad
hoc
changes
in
fees-
you
know
arts
in
the
park
and
now
movie
night
in
the
park,
and
all
of
them
have
to
do
with
all
of
us
around
here
wanting
to
make
accessing
our
parks
more
affordable
for
our
communities.
So
I
don't
know
whether
there's
an
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
all
around
community
youth.
More
generally,
in
this
policy
there's
an.
H
We've
had
many
discussions
with
friends
of
groups
and
parked
people
around
some
of
the
issues
that
they're
bringing
forward
around
the
accessibility,
the
affordability
of
very
community-based
small
permits-
and
we
are
looking
at
that
from
a
policy
perspective
on
how
to
increase
the
accessibility
from
an
online
perspective,
but
also
from
an
affordability
perspective,
and
you
can
expect
some
recommendations
in
that
area.
Okay,
that's.
I
Good
the
other
there
well,
there
are
two
other
things
that
I
think
should
be
looked
at
and
I'm
wondering.
Are
you
looking
at
these
to
turn
this
into
a
question?
One
of
them
is
whether
priority
is
given
to
neighborhood
groups,
as
opposed
to
big
leagues
that
may
have
people
coming
from
outside
to
use
the
facilities
in
a
part
through.
H
The
speaker,
you
know
all
of
our
fields
and
our
arenas
as
well
are
all
administered
through
an
allocation
policy
that
has
been
approved
by
council.
The
fields
are
areas
notes
are
as
as
well
so
there
there
is.
A
council
approved
allocation
policy.
They
should
note
that
it
is
not
geographically
based
its
equity
based
because
the
distribution
of
these
resources
across
the
city
is
not
equitable,
so
we
do
have
many
groups
that
travel
from
various
parts
of
the
city
to
access.
H
I
I
N
H
Do
I?
Yes,
he's
just
writing
me,
a
note
through
the
speaker.
It
is
I
mean
many
of
these
issues
and,
as
the
Ombudsman
is
noted,
we
really
try
our
hardest
to
balance
access
to
these
parks
and
flexibility
and
allowing
as
much
use
as
possible.
What
we
are
finding
in
certain
circumstances
now
is
that
many
parks
are
overused
and
over
permitted,
and
what
we
try
and
do
is
have
a
conversation
between
the
local
Park
supervisor
and
the
councillor.
Looking
at
some
of
those
uses,
it
would
be
useful
to.
A
O
You
very
much
madam
Speaker
I
will
be
very
quick.
Thank
you
very
much
to
be
Ombudsman
for
this
report
and
thank
you
to
the
general
manager
for
obviously
accepting
all
the
recommendations.
This
I
think
was
a
very
unusual
situation.
I'm
sure
most
of
our
permits
don't
go
through
these
hiccups.
These
twists
and
turns
I
know
I.
Have
many
of
my
parts
get
many
many
many
permits
and
we
don't
come
across
something
like
this.
So
I
think
this
is
an
important
report.
I
helped
think
it
will
help
with
our
new
parameter
system.
We
are
doing.
O
One
of
the
things
I
noticed
was
obviously
I.
Know
it's
difficult
to
make
sure
that
the
permit
holder
actually
abides
by
what
they're
asking
so
I'm
hoping
that
somewhere
in
our
new
system,
we
can
maybe
flag
people
who
don't
necessarily
abide
by
their
permits,
so
we
do
watch
them
a
little
bit
more
closely.
I
would
also
like
to
suggest
that
I
know
when
we
get
a
call
in
our
office
about
concern
for
a
permit
I'm,
not
asking
park
staff
to
jump
I'm
asking
them
to
investigate.
O
So
that
is
what
I
hope
part
star
for
now.
On
you,
don't
have
to
jump
because
a
councillor,
here's
a
concern,
it's
a
chance
for
you
to
investigate,
get
back
to
the
counts,
though
we
go
through
the
due
diligence.
So
on
that
note
again,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
support.
It
was
good
I
hope.
Most
people
read
it.
O
The
reports
are
quite
short,
they
don't
take
much
reading
and
there's
always
a
nice
little
summary
for
those
who
don't
have
time
to
sit
down
and
go
through
every
page,
but
we
learn
a
lot
from
these
reports
and
this
is
why
I
hold
them,
and
this
is
why
I
ask
for
presentation.
So
thank
you
very
much
there
you
go.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
G
G
Everyone
wants
to
be
outside
enjoying
them
and
there's
a
fine
balance
with
the
neighboring
residents,
so
I
think
I
think
this
is
great
because,
especially
because
park
staff
are
already
reviewing
the
permitting
system,
that
report
will
come
back
in
in
the
fall,
so
it's
timely
with
this
and-
and
this
was
I
want
to-
especially
this
was
a
commercial
permit,
which
is
a
little
different
than
our
other
300,000
permitted
uses.
So
it's
a
little
different
to
deal
with
I
I
deal
with
these
kinds
of
things
all
the
time
in
the
beach.
G
This
was
not
the
beach,
even
though
the
media
said
it
was
the
beach
it's
just
a
little
over
east
of
me,
but
we,
you
know
we
have
had
issues,
especially
in
Woodbine
Park,
which
is
a
festival
really
a
festival,
Park
and
neighboring
residents
around
they're
very
concerned
about
the
activity
there.
But
you
know
there's
a
balance
and
I
remind
people,
even
though
it
feels
like
our
backyard,
these
parks.
It
is
it's:
it's
green
space,
it's
public
space
for
the
greater
good
for
the
for
the
rest
of
the
city,
especially
down
in
the
beach
Lake.
G
Q
Q
They
go
through
a
lot
of
issues
and
problems
on
a
daily
basis
and
and
the
fact
that
they're
accepting
these
recommendations,
I
think,
are
wonderful,
just
to
sort
of
paint
the
picture
of
what
this.
This
is
a
very
small
little
park
in
my
ward,
in
between
two
small
residential
streets
and
I'm
sure
you
have
them
in
your
areas
and
it's
really
they've
traditionally
only
been
used
by
the
people
on
those
two
particular
streets.
This
park
had
never
been
permitted
in
the
past
and
the
residents
just
assumed
it
was
their
small
little
private
park.
Q
Even
though
we
know
it
was
public
and
anybody
could
go
to
that
and
I
think
when
the
permit
holder
came
in-
and
this
was
a
wonderful
permit
for
kids,
young
kids,
four
or
five
six
years
old
and
I
guess
through
the
permit
process
and
the
park
supervisor
thought
you
know,
this
would
make
a
good.
You
know
good
match
on
this
little
park.
Now
this
permit,
this
Park
had
never
been
permitted
in
the
past
and
I.
Think
parks
thought
this
would
be
a
good
opportunity
for
a
little.
Q
If
you
want
to
call
pilot
project
to
see
if
it
works
and
if
it
does
work,
maybe
we
could
look
at
permit
in
this
park
in
the
future.
So
the
intent
at
the
beginning
of
the
process
was
wonderful.
I
think
everybody
thought
this
was
the
best
direction
to
go.
But
again,
as
we
all
know
when,
when
the
process
kind
of
unfolds
and
the
permit
comes
out,
they
start
using
the
park.
Q
I
think
a
lot
of
the
residents
on
then
you're
talking
30
40
houses,
maybe
couldn't
figure
out
what
was
happening
and
I
think
at
that
point.
Complaints
started
coming
in.
There
were
complaints
that
were
coming
into
my
office
that
I
forward
off
the
parks
and
I
have
a
number
of
conversations
with
them
and,
of
course,
the
media
grabbed
hold
of
this
and
I
think.
Q
Q
Ultimately,
I
think
we're
gonna
be
in
for
putting
our
processes
and
the
permits
a
little
bit
stronger,
but
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
greatest
of
intent
on
a
small
little
program
in
a
small
little
area
of
my
ward,
similar
to
everybody
else,
has
happened.
It
unfortunately
got
to
the
point
where
the
ombudsman
have
to
make
a
little
part,
I.
Q
Think
we'll
all
we
all
looked
at
this
and
we
went
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
better,
but
it
was
the
book
with
the
greatest
intense
of
everybody
involved
and
I
just
want
to
thank
again
the
Ombudsman
for
the
report
and
staff
for
the
work
that
did
it.
I
just
have
to
commend
again
in
my
ward,
the
park
supervisor
and
the
work
they
did
unbelievable
work
in
trying
to
balance
out
the
needs
of
a
community
and
all
that
and
I
want
to
thank
them
for
that.
Thank.
K
I'm,
just
going
to
say,
welcome
to
the
world
of
the
small
Parks
issues
that
become
very
big
across
the
city
because
of
the
media
and
I'll,
just
echo
it
councillor,
McMahon
said:
there's
just
parks
that
are
multi-purpose.
A
lot
goes
on
there
festivals,
going
on
in
them.
There's
many
things
going
on
multiple,
multiple
users,
all
the
time,
and
so
that's
just
a
fact
of
life
in
a
way
of
life
for
a
number
of
us
already.
K
So
when
these
small
things
happen,
there
is
usually
a
way
to
get
that
fixed,
but
I'm
just
going
to
focus
on
one
thing
because
having
multiple
permits
and
multiple
issues
when
there
this
was
a
business
that
permitted
this
use
of
the
park,
the
company
gave
went
in
as
a
business
and
said
we're
permitting
Tuesdays
10:45
to
11:45
a.m.
Tuesday's
5:15
to
7:00
p.m.
and
Sunday's
10:00
a.m.
to
11:30
a.m.
K
so
that
was
officially
what
was
logged
with
the
permit
Department,
as
anybody
would
in
the
thousands
and
tens
of
thousands
of
little
permits
and
big
permits
that
go
on
the
supervisor
had
already
agreed
to
those
times.
And
yes,
it
was
a
new
use.
However,
the
company
said:
oh
we're
actually
using
the
park
on
Mondays
from
5:15
to
7:00
p.m.
that
was
not
on
a
permit
time,
Tuesdays
10:00
a.m.
to
11:45
a.m.
tuesdays
as
you
remember.
That
was
one
of
their
times,
but
then
they
added
an
evening
and
Sundays
9:00
to
11:30
a.m.
so.
K
There
was
a
mishmash
of
permits,
I
don't
know
if
they
were
told,
go
back
to
your
permit
times
or
not.
So
that's
on
the
website
are
what's
on
the
website
for
the
company
are
these
times
people
go
to
websites
now
and
I
said
yesterday,
when
they
filled
up
the
SH
Armstrong
pool
they
went
on
social
media.
They
went
on
Facebook
they're
all
talking
to
one
another.
K
Now
in
neighborhoods
sure
there
was
a
street
Facebook
that
started
going
on
this
website
and
saying
what
are
they
doing
there
on
Monday,
the
permit
says
Tuesday,
so
we
have
quite
a
mishmash,
but
someone
is
running
a
multi
business
across
the
city
actually
has
a
responsibility
to
work
within
their
permit
times.
If
this
was
taste
of
the
Danforth-
and
they
said
oh
well-
we're
having
the
road
closed
or
Hazelwood
that
closes
their
Road
for
a
street
festival,
they
book
11:00
a.m.
to
5
p.m.
Saturday,
all
of
a
sudden
if
it's
11:00
a.m.
to
5:00
p.m.
K
Sunday
or
they
decide
to
close
at
Friday
night
they've
created
a
problem
that
wasn't
there
permit.
If
tasted
the
damn
force
decides
to
change
it
to
a
different
weekend,
but
they
have
a
permit
for
a
certain
weekend
in
August.
They
can't
do
that.
You
have
a
use
so
because
it's
a
park,
it
seems
a
little
different
because
it's
casual
but
any
City
property.
If
you're
renting
a
room
Maddie
a
clerk
community
center,
you're,
renting
it
for
Tuesday
night,
not
Monday,
and
if
you
get
there,
Monday
and
you've
made
a
mistake.
K
That's
once,
if
that's
actually
how
you're
advertising
it.
That's
not
once
that's
very
deliberate,
so
I'm,
sorry
to
sound
so
hard.
But
given
the
number
of
permits
we
all
deal
with
and
getting
them
set
up
and
I
had
to
set
the
mark
it
up
for
Greenwood,
and
that
was
a
lot
of
work
with
all
the
different
departments,
because
that's
a
multi-use
park
with
a
lot
going
on
in
the
date
to
come
to
a
resolution
and
then
dot
your
hours.
K
That's
how
you're
running
this
event,
so
I
do
feel
that
there's
a
lot
of
onus
on
the
operator,
but
once
the
media
is
called
in,
it
looks
like
we're
kicking
out
little
kids,
it's
hard
to
recover
from
that.
Just
to
be
honest
with
you
just
as
hard,
because
then
it
looks
like
big
bad
city
is
kicking
kids
out,
not
letting
them
play
rather
than
the
city
says
you
have
a
permit.
K
The
starts
at
10:00
and
there
you
are
at
9
o'clock,
so
you
actually
have
a
problem
very
hard
to
message
that
I'm
happy
we're
having
another
system,
but
the
real
system
is
communication.
Everybody
who's,
applying
here's
your
dates,
here's
your
times
and
that
everyone
who's
everyone's
acting
in
a
professional
manner,
including
a
company.
My
last
example
is
at
Cherry
beach
sports
fields
when
they
were
first
built.
We
had
the
free
permits
for
kids.
I,
got
a
few
complaints
and
passed
them
over.
K
Some
one
group
had
booked
every
time
slot
and
on
the
kids
times,
adults
were
out
playing,
adults
were
out
playing
and
then
they
said
we're
going
to
go
to
the
media
and
say
you're
kicking
the
kids
off
cherry
Beach
sports
fields.
Sorry,
if
the
onus
a
lot
of
the
time
is
on
the
person
who's
getting
that
service
to
be
live
up
to
what
their
obligations
are
here
and
I,
don't
think
that
happened
and
I'm
not
sure
enough
weight
was
given
to
that
in
this
report.
Thank.
N
Will
move
the
item
and
just
very
briefly
thank
wholeheartedly
Joe
and
Nick
from
real
estate
who
have
been
working
so
hard
on
this
file?
You
can
appear,
you
can
call
these
guys
at
midnight
answer
their
phone
there,
so
so
call
them
all
weekend.
They
have
done
phenomenal
work
here
and
I'll
remind
folks.
This
is
part
of
the
Mirvish,
honest
teds
development.
N
I
guess
not
the
Mirvish,
the
honest
teds
murderous
village
development
that
involves
a
new
park,
a
market,
20
percent,
affordable
housing,
forty
percent
two
and
three
bedrooms:
five,
five
buildings
in
total
taller
buildings
in
total
totaling
about
800
units,
all
rental,
and
this
report
ensures
that
all
of
that
can
come
together
as
well
as
a
permanent
home
for
a
black
cultural
facility
and
cultural
community
space
in
the
facility
and
I
applaud
our
real
estate
department
and
our
planners
for
their
work.
Thank.
A
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N
F
That
probably,
is
the
motor
from
our
view,
is
the
most
problematic
and
the
application
that's
in
front
of
Council
today
is
to
take
that
digital
portion
and
increase
it
by
about
two
and
a
half
times
its
size
about
a
hundred
and
sixty
meters
away
to
the
east
is
a
residential
tower
in
Liberty
Village,
and
we
know
that
there's
other
towers
that
are
under
development
in
that
area
as
well.
So.
N
F
F
First
of
all,
what's
important
to
recognize
is
that
in
this
area,
digital
signs
are
not
permitted
in
this
area
as
an
open
space
district
where
digital
signs
are
permitted
typically
in
areas.
If
we
look
at
the
special
sign
district
for
the
Gardner
in
that
district,
normally
it
would
be
about
20
square
meters
would
be
what
we
would
allow
if.
N
Can
we
just
be
clear
about
what
the
surrounding
is
to
the
north?
Is
the
residential
component
of
Liberty
Village,
correct,
that's
correct
to
the
east
is
essentially
fort
York,
that's
correct
and
to
the
north
of
Fort
York
garrison
point,
which
is
five
buildings
that
build
Toronto,
recently
Riis
owned
to
house
2,000
people.
That
is
who
can
trust
me
on
numbers,
but
underneath
the
gardener?
Do
we
receive
a
letter
from
the
bent
way
the
under
gardener
park?
Folks,
yes,
we
did
and
what
was
their
advice,
their.
N
The
Friends
of
Fort
York-
this
is
the
organization-
that's
been
fundraising,
millions
of
dollars
for
our
for
York
Visitor
Center.
What
was
their
advice
to
refuse
as
well?
So
we've
got
the
community
groups
around
the
site,
saying
you
know
what
our
use
of
the
space
will
be
hindered
by
it,
the
residents
to
the
north
and
to
the
east
also
suggesting
that
there's
a
problem.
Why
is
the
current
digital,
an
issue
so.
F
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J
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Complaints
we
receive
we've
received
complaints,
true-true
the
speaker.
Again.
We
had
two
public
consultations,
one
was
hosted
in
2016,
one
was
hosted
in
2017
and
there
was
one
public
brightness
demonstration
in
2013.
I
was
not
at
a
public
consultation
or
CEO
diane
young'
was
there
and
the
feedback
we
received
from
the
public
that
was
in
attendance
was
very
positive,
very
foz
in
favor,
okay,.
F
F
F
F
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F
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D
That's
fine,
an
exhibition,
please
staff
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
your
comments.
You
said
that
you're
generally
supportive
of
the
sign,
even
though
it's
highly
non-compliant
with
the
sign
by
law
because
of
the
associated
revenue,
is
that
correct,
so
exhibition
plays
staff
are
okay
with
it
being
highly
non-compliant
because
of
the
revenue
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
J
J
Board
position
was
driven
not
only
on
a
revenue
basis,
but
because
the
side
is
the
technology
and
his
sign
is
very
old
if
malfunction
quite
frequently,
and
the
agreement
requires
the
operator
of
the
sign
once
during
the
term
the
greatest
sign,
it's
so
modern
current
state-of-the-art
technology.
So
they
both
believe
that
this
will
do
that.
Okay,.
I
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J
D
The
stop
on
the
exhibition
play
staff.
Do
you
have
any
people
with
plan
X
plans
examiner
or
building
official
credentials?
No,
no,
do
you
have
any
did
any
people
on
your
staff
with
land
use,
design,
credentials
review
so
to
speak
or
no,
so
it
was
reviewed
what
what
professional
skills
were
brought
to?
Your
review
of
this
sign.
J
D
J
D
J
D
Would
be
a
misrepresentation
if
I
were
to
make
the
claim
that
exhibition
staff
recommended
this
sign
as
being
compliant
or
meeting
the
purposes
of
the
sign
by
law
or
good
for
adjacent
neighborhoods?
The
review
you
did
was
strictly
on
financial
criteria
and
you
recommended
that
it
be
subject
to
the
normal
tests
in
the
sign.
Bylaw
shortage.
D
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L
F
F
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F
L
They
of
their
own
accord
are
reducing
the
size
of
the
sign,
substantial
and
their
turn
they're,
turning
it
into
a
digital
sign
and
they're.
Also
agreeing
to
this
new
digital
sign
that
it
will
not
be
on
late
at
night
too.
So
if
there's
any
fear
late
at
night
that
the
brightness
of
this
sign
might
interfere
with
any
of
the
local
residents
that
that
is
not
an
issue
correct
through.
F
L
L
Yeah,
so
it's
it's
basically
small,
a
smaller
advertising
footprint
and
it's
not
on
late
at
night.
Yes,
excellent
and
okay,
fair
enough
and
can
I
ask
a
question
of
the
exhibition
play
staff.
So
so
we've
got
a
we've
got
less
of
a
sign.
It's
it's
not
as
bright
as
it
used
to
be
and
are
you
can,
are
you
gonna
be
making
more
money
off
this
sign?
Are
you
how
you
can?
How
are
we
gonna
do
on
this
house?
Exhibition
Place
gonna
be
on
it.
True.
J
J
J
A
F
F
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F
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F
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M
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
had
a
series
of
questions,
but
now
I'm
gonna
veer
off,
because
I
wasn't
really
happy
with
the
context
in
which
councillor
Layton's
questions
were
asked
and
I.
Don't
understand
why
we
can't
have
the
answers
with
the
proper
context.
So,
let's,
let's
move
to
this
existing
digital
when
councillor
Layton
asked
the
biggest
problem
we
said
it
was
a
staff
responded
that
it's,
this
digital
sign,
that's
going
to
increase
two
and
a
half
times
that
digital
sign
currently
runs
videos.
Does
it
not
full
out
like
it's
a
television.
F
M
F
M
M
Not
increasing
a
television
by
145
square
meters,
you're
you're,
increasing
your
you're,
bringing
a
different
size
sign,
that's
not
going
to
be
at
it's!
It's
just
different
like
it's,
not
the
same
application.
Iiii!
Don't
take
that
that
it
that
television
there
and
if
I
want
to
create
a
picture
say
I'm
increasing
the
television.
It's
it's
a
different
application.
Is
it
not.
F
F
F
M
M
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N
A
D
F
This
speaker,
I,
would
characterize
it.
If
we
look
in
the
special
scientists
with
the
gardener
special
sign
district,
the
majority
of
the
signs
are
between
50
to
64
square
metres.
There
are
two
signs
that
are
approximately
the
same
size
as
this
about
145
square
metres.
One
of
them
is
operating
it
up.
The
second
one
has
been
approved,
but
it
hasn't
been
installed.
Yet.
Okay,.
D
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M
D
D
Sorry,
where
is
it
a
planning
growth
committee,
the
reason
being
for
those
of
you
who
know
lovely
Lawrence,
Square
Mall?
It
doesn't
look
the
greatest
and
it
has
about
45
signs
scattered
all
across
the
building
yeah.
So
there
is
an
effort
to
consolidate
that
cleanin
up,
which
is
which
I
like
the
community
likes.
But
obviously
this
sign
is
in
its
current
form
is
not
something
that
we
we
are
the
community
like.
So
there's
an
effort
to
keep
the
conversation
going,
sent
it
back
and
hopefully,
when
they
come
with
a
new
package.
I
I
I
D
N
N
It
always
surprises
me
just
how
powerful
the
four
suits
are
up
in
the
gallery
at
at
shifting
the
vote
in
this
chamber
around
signs.
It
always
surprises
me
how
just
how
powerful
our
sign
lobby
is
in
this
city
to
take
to
take
a
sign
that
has
has
already
been
refused
by
council
a
month
a
couple
of
months
ago,
bring
back
something
just
a
shade,
smaller
and
be
able
to
flip
some
of
those
votes.
That
is
remarkable
work,
whatever
they're
getting
paid
and
I.
We
all
know
it's
a
lot
based
on
the
discussion
yesterday.
N
M
M
N
You've
got
the
sign
down
here
facing
east
and
west,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
those
are
all
buildings
that
have
been
built
roughly
between
about
2000,
seven
and
now
these
five
buildings
were
just
approved
and
in
fact
it
was
the
city
through
build
Toronto
that
sought
their
approval.
That's
about
two
thousand
people
and
I
get
it
it's
a
couple.
N
N
It's
not
a
television
screen,
I
get
that,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
have
a
lot
of
residents
that
are
exposed
to
light
at
night
in
this
way,
but
every
10
seconds
when
that
sign
flips
when
it
goes
red
when
it
goes
yellow
when
it
goes
gold
when
it
goes
to
that
bright,
color
I
get
a
call
there
little
little
counter
my
office
every
time
it
changes,
I
get
I
get
10,000
calls
from
Liberty
Village.
The
reality
is
the
actual
impact
of
that
static.
N
Video
is
quite
significant
because
of
the
10-second
changeover,
and
we
heard
from
staff
that,
in
fact,
this
sign
face
was
already
functioning
at
the
roughly
the
same
level
that
our
new
sign
would,
despite
the
bylaw
that
that
supported
us
lightly.
The
current
viola
that
support
supported
a
slightly
higher
level
now
I'm
going
to
remind
those
that
were
in
the
room
and
perhaps
those
who
weren't
in
the
room
last
term,
just
why
this
east
facing
sign
face,
has
no
restrictions.
N
That's
because
staff
recommended
we
put
restrictions
on
it,
but
one
counselor
in
this
chamber
moved
late,
one
night
at
Council.
Removing
all
restrictions
on
that
east
facing
sign
face
and
a
majority
of
counselors
supported
it
I
did
not.
It
was
a
fairly
close
vote.
It
was
a
former
colleague
of
ours,
but
at
the
last
minute
removed
removed
all
restrictions
suggested
by
staff.
So
had
we
followed
staff
advice
to
have
restrictions,
we
wouldn't
be
having
the
same
debate
and
folks
wouldn't
be
using
that
as
an
argument.
Further
to
that,
stop
are
making
the
same.
N
The
same
judgment
now
despite
decision
made
by
the
Exhibition
Place
Board,
may
stop
based
on
their
report
from
staff
based
on
the
the
financial
analysis
that
was
done
by
their
staff
and
hard.
That
is,
is
good
at
his
numbers.
I'm
not
discrediting
that,
but
our
sign
bylaw
staff
over
here
are
experts
on
signs.
We
should
be
listening
to
them
not
listening
to
to
them.
Our
sign
lobbyists
not
listening
to
the
board
on
this
matter,
but
instead
addressing
this
issue
through
the
local
community
and
our
sign
by
law.
N
Unit
and
I'll
give
you
just
one
last
piece
of
information
because
it
has
come
up.
I
was
at
several
of
these
public
consultations.
I
was
not
at
one
of
them,
but
this
the
consultations
I
was
at
had
rooms
that
that
didn't
have
many
people
on
them.
But
you
know
when
you
kind
of
get
the
feeling
that
that
the
rooms
been
stacked
a
little
bit,
that
there
are
individuals
in
the
room
that
perhaps
are
there
not
just
for
the
purpose
of
giving
their
public
advice.
N
A
M
A
M
N
A
D
A
Know
and
thank
you
can
circle
when
we
do
last
question
just
to
remind
is
that
you
take
the
motion,
that's
in
front
of
you,
which
is
the
green
one,
and
you
ask
questions
on
the
motion.
That's
before
you
that's
clarification
of
emotion,
not
what
the
member
of
counsel
says
during
their
speeches.
So
thank
you
very
much.
They.
M
A
D
A
S
D
As
long
as
I
am
here
when
I
look
at
the
issue,
you
know
I've
heard
from
staff
at
the
Exhibition
Place
that
revenue
was,
it
was
a
driving
force
and
I
certainly
understand
that
we,
the
city,
certainly
needs
revenue.
However,
it's
puts
us
in
a
very
bad
position,
I
think
when
we're
driven
by
revenue,
especially
as
the
government
of
this
city,
that
we're
gonna
use
revenue
as
the
basis
of
a
decision
when
we
have
bylaws
in
place
that
are
very
strict
and
I.
Think
for
the
betterment
of
this
city.
D
I
think
all
of
us
should
take
a
really
hard
look
at
this
issue
and
the
message
that
we're
sending
staff
you
know
we
send
staff
off
the
rate
reports.
They
come
back
with
reports
that
address
city
bylaws.
Give
us
advice,
that's
advice.
In
conformity
with
the
direction
we've
given
them,
when
we
adopt
these
bylaws,
then
they
come
here
and
they're
highly
questioned
about
their
expert
advice.
You
know
we've
heard
from
them
that
these
signs
are
highly
non-compliant.
Yet
a
number
of
councilors
are
turning
their
mind
to
adopting
these
signs.
A
C
C
Electronic
signs
in
an
urban
context,
cities
historically
speaker,
have
been
cities
of
light
and,
if
you,
if
you
understand
that
and
you
combine
with
it
the
electronic
revolution
that
we're
going
through
I
think
that
you
would
be
supportive
of
this
of
this
initiative
at
Exhibition
Place
at
the
room
at
the
effort
that
the
sign
company
has
made
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
in
the
past.
Speaker
I
think
the
sign
by
law
and
I
I
frankly
was
not
a
huge
fan
of
it.
C
The
sign
companies
are
going
to
be
coming
here
on
a
regular
basis
to
get
an
exemption
from
this
or
an
exemption
from
that
and
I
think
it
would
be
really
important
speaker
if
only
to
save
the
time
that
we
that
we
you
we
and
we
invest
in
these
issues.
It's
important
I
think
speaker
that
we
act
committee
revisit
the
sign
by
law
so
that
we
don't
put
staff
through
what
councillor
Hart
had
just
outlined
in
a
you
know
world
as
fluid
as
as
this
is,
as
you
know,
in
an
urban
environment.
C
This
challenging,
and
this
creative
and
archaic
sign
by
law
is
going
to
waste
a
lot
of
staff
time
or
defending
it.
A
lot
of
staff
time
is
going
to
waste
a
lot
of
time
here
at
Council,
so
I
think
frankly,
in
the
end
bottom
line
is
that
this
sign
block
by
law
has
to
be
revisited
so
that
we
we
stop
the
running
the
gauntlet
and
the
torture
that
goes
with
it
in
looking
at
issues
as
we
are
today,.
T
You
I'm
gonna,
read
out
of
motion
that
I
would
have
liked
to
make
that
I'm
advised
by
clerks
that
I
can't
make
it
in
this
forum
that
the
lobbyist
registrar
report
on
the
amount
of
lobbying
and
the
effect
of
lobbying
in
relation
to
digital
signs
did
which
did
not
conform
to
bylaws
established
by
counsel
and
which
city
staff
have
recommended
against
I
can't
move
that
here,
I'm
told
because
it
doesn't
pertain
to
these
individual
signs.
I
will
find
the
right
forum
to
get
that
information
out,
because
this
discussion
has
nothing
to
do
with
signs.
T
It
has
everything
to
do
with
money
and
there
is
a
whole
industry
that
has
developed
around
getting
signs
on
properties
which
do
not
conform
to
the
city's
bylaws
and
there's
nothing
illegal
about
that.
People
can
Lobby
about
whatever
they
want.
Councilors
can
push
whatever
buttons
they
want,
but
there
is
an
extreme
relationship
between
how
people
vote
and
not
only
are
they
lobbied,
but
who
lobbies
them
and
the
lobbyists
have
gotten
very
good
at
gee,
who's
got
a
relationship
with
councilor
so-and-so
I,
don't
fault
them.
For
that.
M
T
T
T
Side,
consultants,
wherever,
if
you
can
get
a
second
face
on
that
sign,
it
might
be
worth
four
million
dollars
and
it's
not
just
the
annual
revenue.
You
can
monetize
that
value
right
away.
You
can
buy
a
piece
of
land,
have
a
digital
sign
put
on
it,
have
the
value
of
that
land
increased
by
several
million
dollars,
and
then
you
can
sell
that
piece
of
land
for
the
additional
several
million
dollars.
T
So
we
are
creating
instant
wealth
for
people
by
assisting
them
in
breaking
our
city,
bylaws
and
some
people
would
say:
oh
well,
the
Exhibition
Place
gets
somebody
here.
Well,
you
know
if
it's
about
revenue
generation
and
councillor
Hart
addressed
this
well,
if
it's
about
cheddar
revenue
generation,
we
could
probably
bring
in
hundreds
well
for
sure
we
could
bring
in
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
annually
by
putting
digital
signs
all
along
the
Don
Valley
Parkway.
You
know
you
could
we
could
we
could?
T
L
You'll
have
to
press
something
or
just
oh
he's
calling
up.
Thank
you.
So
let
me
first
say
that
there's
nothing
wrong
with
people
getting
rich.
In
fact,
I
think
we
should
celebrate
people
making
money.
Councillor.
Fillion
has
a
different
position,
so
do
a
lot
of
councillors,
but
in
terms
of
increasing
wealth,
this
council
should
be
involved
in
increasing
the
wealth
of
the
residents
of
the
City
of
Toronto,
as
opposed
to
making
sure
that
they
make
less
money.
L
Let's
also,
let's
also
talk
about
this
idea
of
how
we
were
building
these
signs
that
do
not
conform
and
do
not
comply
and
that
they
should
complete.
This
shouldn't
be
coming
and
asking
for
this
permission
and
councillor,
because
some
of
some
councillors
talk
about
this.
We
do
this
all
day
long.
The
planning
applications
that
come
we
make
variances
for
them
every
single
day
committee
of
adjustment.
We
do
it
all
day
long.
You
look
at
even
things
like
parking
pads.
L
That's
what
we're
in
the
business
of
doing
we're
involved
in
making
exceptions
for
people
for
things
that
make
sense.
That's
what
we
do
here
at
Toronto,
City,
Hall.
Okay,
so
does
this
make
sense?
Well,
councillor
Kerry
Janice
moves
the
motion
that
I'm
supporting.
Let's
look
at
what
the
sign
is
right
now,
look
at
how
big
and
ugly
that
that
thing
is,
and
if
we
don't
approve
that,
if
we
actually
go
for
it
with
not
approving
their
application,
it's
gonna
stay
up
till
2025.
So
you
have
that
big
ugly
sign.
L
That's
going
to
be
replaced
by
that
smaller
sign.
Okay
hours
of
operations
on
the
east
side,
24
hours
a
day,
shut
up
the
new
sign,
11
p.m.
and
is
set
to
7
a.m.
right
now,
so
Dave,
oh
stop
interrupting
so
so
here
we
are
we're
being
asked
to
use
our
good
judgment
to
say:
do
you
want
this
big,
these
four
big
ugly
signs,
or
would
you
would
would
you
like
this
newer
sign,
that's
much
smaller
and
by
the
way
the
CNE
get
our
supporting
Exhibition
place
gets
800.
G
L
Hundred
thousand
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars,
plus
I'm,
told
there's
also
a
capital
contribution
for
a
park.
Okay.
So
what
would
you
like?
Would
you
like
to
keep
that
big
ugly
song?
Have
nothing
or
would
you
like
until
2025,
or
would
you
like
to
have
a
smaller
sign?
That's
going
to
be
off
at
night,
Plus,
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
a
capital
contribution.
For
me,
the
decision
is
really
easy.
We
make
these
decisions
all
day
and
my
answer
is
I'm
thinking,
I'm,
taking
the
money
plus
a
smaller
sign
and
the
playground
Thank
You.
I
B
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
sign
with
conditions
at
7:50,
Spadina
Avenue
I
have
looked
at
the
surrounding
facilities
and
properties,
so
doesn't
impede
on
residential
there's
a
Tim
Horton's
to
the
northwest.
There's
a
7-eleven
there's
a
Swiss
chalet
to
the
west.
There's
a
Scotiabank
to
the
east.
There's
two
lanes
of
roadway
in
the
U
of
T
office
building.
This
is
something
that
generates
revenue
for
the
bath
or
for
the
the
JCC.
The
Jewish
Community
Center
at
Spadina
blew
the
minds.
Needell
is
a
vital
community.
B
Recreational
cultural
asset
that
cost
a
fortune
to
operate
and
provides
United
Way
organization
provides
facilities
and
and
services
and
cultural
activities
to
all.
This
is
not
lining
the
pockets
of
millionaire's.
This
is
helping
support
a
recreational
and
cultural
center
that
is
vital
to
not
only
the
Jewish
community
with
the
local
communities
as
well.
I
think
that
staff
will
be
willing
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
ensure
that
they
make
modifications
to
conform,
they're
very
willing
to
the
openness
of
working
with
staff,
and,
once
again,
the
revenue
generated
from
this
will
be
supporting
an
important
asset.
B
It's
impeding
on
the
quiet
enjoyment
of
the
area
is
negative.
Well,
as
the
area
is
a
major
arterial
road,
both
east-west
and
north-south,
and
it
is
a
cluster,
a
high-density
cluster
of
retail
and
office,
it
will
not
be
keeping
people
up
at
night,
it
will
not
be
disturbing
people
and
it
will
support
something
that
makes
Toronto
strong
and
vital.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
I
A
I
A
A
G
D
A
Q
H
G
N
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
would
all
rise
to
move
the
staff
recommendations
from
the
city
solicitor
and,
as
some
of
this
is
on
purple
paper,
I'm
going
to
tread
very
carefully,
but
I
think
that
this
is
one
indication
that
perhaps
perhaps
billboard
owners
and
and
sign
lobbyists
aren't
always
acting
in
the
best
interest
of
the
community
in
the
city.
When
they
take
actions
like
this,
we
are,
we
are
standing
to
be
out
a
considerable
amount
of
money
as
the
city
we're
being
challenged
by
the
very
people
that
you
voted
to
support
just
now.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
A
A
P
I
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
venues
across
the
city
too,
so
we
can
properly
streamline
things
so
residents
still
have
access,
but
that
we're
managing
the
budget
appropriately.
So
I
think
it
must
be
a
bit
challenging
for
staff
who
make
tough
decisions.
Put
these
things
forward.
We
as
a
council
make
a
decision,
and
then
three
months
we're
retracting
that
decision
and
and
and
I
think
it's
you
know,
councillor
Matt
Lowe's
comments.
What
feels
like
several
days
ago,
I
think
it
actually
was
his
questions
and
his
remarks
iil
completely
so
I'm.
L
I'm
sure
I
do
have
concerns
with
regard
to
the
report
and
I
do
support
the
staff
recommendations.
But
if
you
don't
support
the
committee
recommendations
like
like
councillor
Robinson
said
we
have
made
decisions,
we
should
stick
by
those
decisions
staff.
So
this
idea
that
we
need
this
swimming
pool
is
is
wrong,
because
staff
have
already
told
us,
there's
lots
of
swimming
available
and
make
no
mistake.
This
shouldn't
be
about
bricks
and
mortar.
L
L
We
should
not
support
the
committee's
recommendations,
they're
not
correct.
We
made
the
right
decision
and
it
was
a
hard
decision.
Do
you
remember
the
budget
debates
that
we
had
over
this?
There
are
very
very
difficult
decisions
right.
It
was
hard
for
staff
to
write
the
report.
We
supported
that
decision.
We
made
that
decision.
We
should
move
forward
with
that
decision.
We
shouldn't
this
council
should
not
be
in
the
process
of.
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
so
I
support
that
we
review
this
pool.
I,
don't
know
who
here
was
on
council
in
2002,
whether
you
were
an
MP
or
an
MPP,
but
if
you
were,
you
would
have
got
to
know
my
name
quite
well.
In
2002,
the
city
was
looking
to
close
down
one
of
our
swimming
pools
and
as
parents
we
fought
to
keep
it
open,
but
we
didn't
just
fight
to
keep
it
open.
We
fought
to
find
more
revenue
sources
to
go
into
that
pool
to
help
offset
the
costs.
O
2008
same
thing,
all
the
pools
in
my
area
we're
going
to
be
closed.
So
as
a
parent
I
stepped
up,
I
worked
my
school
trustee
and
we
bought
more
revenue
into
the
pools.
We
heard
the
other
day
at
Council
that
there
is
now
more
swimming
in
this
pool.
So
I
think
it
is
worth
reviewing.
If
the
community
are
prepared
to
go
out
and
bring
revenue
into
a
swimming
pool
to
help
offset
the
cost,
we
shouldn't
be
saying:
no,
you
can't
do
that.
We
should
be
supporting
them
and
encouraging
them
to
do
that.
O
One
of
the
things
I
found
when
I
was
trying
to
protect
swimming
pools
was
working
with
school
boards
and
working
with
the
city
was
a
little
difficult
because
one
of
the
best
kept
secrets
was
you
could
actually
rent
a
pool.
So
I
do
support
the
community.
They
want
to
keep
their
pool
open
if
they
are
prepared
to
help
us
and
bring
more
revenue
in
and
increase
the
amount
of
swimming
in
that
pool
I
do
support
it
in
2002,
when
I
stood
before
the
parks
and
Environment
Committee
in
this
building.
O
My
very
first
time
doing
a
deputation
I
did
a
partial
striptease,
and
you
know
what
it
got.
The
councillors
attention
as
I
just
got
yours
now
and
my
counselors
at
that
time.
No
not
now
well
counts
over
counts.
The
Crisco
and
Kaczynski
and
David
Miller
and
Brian
Ashton
was
the
chair,
and
the
point
was
that
we
talked
about
how
swimming
is
a
lesson
and
life-saving
lesson.
We
should
be
giving
as
many
children,
adults
and
anyone
who
wants
to
learn
how
to
swim.
The
opportunity
we
have
a
lake
to
our
south.
O
We
have
lakes
and
lakes
to
our
north
and
all
around
us.
A
lot
of
children
go
to
areas
where
we
do
have
water,
as
we've
just
found
out.
Unfortunately,
so
swimming
is
a
lesson
that
everyone
should
learn
and
you
shouldn't
have
to
just
go
to
a
school
which
has
a
swimming
pool.
The
community
should
have
an
opportunity
where
children
can
go
and
get
their
life-saving
skill
of
swimming.
So
thank
you
very
much.
K
A
public
health
nurse
for
the
residents
of
this
shelter
and
really
they've
also
said
well
look.
We
still
think
that
these
guys
they're
six
see
them
coming
to
the
community,
that
we
should
consider
this
life-saving
skill
or
recreational
opportunities
for
them
at
this
pool,
and
they
are
not
going
to
go
2.1
kilometers
away,
as
are
many
people
in
the
community
not
going
to
walk
their
strollers
2.1
committee
kilometers
away.
K
A
A
A
A
S
Through
you,
madam
chair
I,
can
give
you
some
broad
examples
of
when
that
would
happen.
Sometimes
we
will
not
something.
We
levy,
taxes
against
tenants
in
provincial
and
federal
properties,
the
tenth
the
taxes
are
billed
directly
to
the
tenant
when
that
business,
if
it
leaves
doesn't
pay,
goes
out
of
business,
we
don't
have
the
normal
recourse
to
collect
those
taxes,
as
we
do
against
private
sector
properties,
because
we
can't
register
those
taxes
against
the
crown
lands.
Sorry
just-just-just.
M
S
S
Crown
land,
so
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
young
collectables
fall
in
that
category.
Another
example
of
Winnipeg
property
taxes,
maybe
uncollectible.
If
private
property,
the
the
owner,
goes
out
of
business
and
then
we
go
to
do
a
tax
registration
and
a
tax
sale,
and
we
find
that
there's
environmental
damage
on
the
property
it's
contaminated.
We
try
to
attack,
sale
it
and
there's
no
tax
sale,
there's
no
buyers
for
it.
So
that's
another
example
of
when
we
can.
We
often
will
encounter
a
problem
with
collecting
taxes.
S
S
C
S
Yes
through
you,
madam
chair,
where
the
province
occupies
the
property
for
its
own
purposes,
it
doesn't
pay
a
property
tax.
It
pays
a
pelt,
a
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
where
the
arrears
situation
comes
up
is
when
they
leased
land
to
a
taxable
tenant.
We
build
a
tenant
and
then
the
tenant
goes
bankrupt
or
doesn't
so.
C
S
C
A
G
And
the
reason
I'm
moving
this
speaker
is
because
there's
a
real
terrible
tenant
in
Downsview
and
that's
called
Canada
lands
and
they
have
a
sweetheart
deal
with
the
federal
government
and
the
city.
Everything
they
do.
Everything
they
do
is
is
against
the
community
and
we
keep
rewarding
them
with
two
million
dollars
here.
Three
million
dollars
here.
This
is
just
another
sample
of
the
sweetheart
deal
in
every
other
case.
We
hold
a
landlord
responsible
for
bills,
not
paid
by
the
tenant
accepted
in
this
case.
So
yes,
but
they
should
not
be
able
to
get
off
scot-free.
A
M
G
M
M
T
A
A
A
K
R
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
would
like
to
move
the
following
motion
and
I'm
going
to
ask
Claire
to
display
it
please,
and
that's
in
the
event
that
City
Council
approves
of
a
fellow
project
permitting
backyard
hens
and
there
you
have
it
okay.
So
it's
my
motion
literally
indicates
that
any
participants
abide
by
terms
and
conditions.
R
I
said
that
set
up
a
diminished
policies
and
standards
in
recommendation,
one
a
b,
c
d,
any
number:
two-
that
all
participants
in
the
panel
project
be
required
to
register
with
the
city
and
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
city
requiring
participation
to
abide
with
terms
and
conditions
said
by
the
executive
director
as
related
to
recommendation
number
one.
Second,
then,
next
recommendation
number
three
in
terms
of
no
compliance
to
suspend
any
registered
participants.
R
R
R
Now,
in
this
particular
case,
I
believe
that
the
set
of
recommendations
that
are
put
forward
will
allow
city
staff
to
create
enforceable
tools
in
terms
of
a
bylaw
that
will
come
later
confirm.
Jama
havoc
will
bring
a
set
of
recommendations
as
well.
That
will
have
give
effect
to
the
pilot
project
itself.
R
So,
if
City
Council
in
its
wisdom,
this
has
to
go
ahead
with
it.
I
think
that
we
have
all
the
tools
that
will
be
required
in
terms
of
the
bylaw
that
will
give
effect
to
the
to
the
pilot
and
what
I'm
asking
also
to
have
a
regulatory
framework
as
we
move
forward.
Personally,
I
am
not
too
fond
of
having
chicken
within
the
Elven
environment,
but
this
is
not
about
me
is,
and
this
is
about.
R
A
I
I
Chair
the
public
report
focused
almost
exclusively
on
how
to
deal
with
prohibited
animals
and
I
know.
There
was
discussion.
Some
discussion,
small
amounts
in
the
report,
but
there
were
no
recommendations,
and
so
the
public
has
not
had
the
opportunity
at
all
to
weigh
in
on
this,
and
because
there
were
no
recommendations
before
counts
the
committee
and
so
I'm
wondering.
Would
you
be
willing
to
refer
this
back?
Have
this
discussion
at
committee
have
a
real
and
genuine
debate
to
allow
the
citizens
and
residents
the
residents
of
Toronto
to
weigh
in
on
this
issue?
I
R
You
cancer
Davis
very
question
within
the
prohibited
animal
review
that
we
went
through
in
terms
of
deputations
and
whatever
else.
If,
when
you
see
other
bylaw
chickens
are
not
prohibited
within
the
bylaw,
so
this
is
something
that
it's
within
the
preview
order
by
law
and
or
canceled
to
look
into
it
and
to
make
whatever
recommendations.
But.
I
I
I
I
A
A
Okay,
members
of
council
members
of
council
before
I
go
to
the
next
question.
Please
there
are
some
members
of
council
that
have
come
to
me
because
they
didn't
hear
me
even
though
I
repeated
it
three
times.
If
there
are
any
questions
to
staff,
they
now
have
questions
to
staff.
So
what's
the
will
of
Council.
H
D
A
P
Madam
Speaker
I
have
spoken
to
staff
I.
Think
I
can
help
those
who
were
hoping
to
go
back
to
question
staff
by
questioning
the
chair
now.
Mr.
chair,
there
is
a
debate
coming
on
the
actual
pile
of
itself
correct
with
the
motion,
so
we
will
be
having
a
debate
there.
The
motion
that
you
are
moving
now:
did
you
go
to
the
general
manager
of
Licensing
and
standards,
and
is
this
motion
simply
what
the
general
manager
says
she
needs
if
our
debate
allows
for
the
pilot,
I
did.
R
Consult
with
the
executive
director
municipal
assessing
standards
and
with
the
legal
department,
and
they
did
agree
and
made
some
revisions
to
my
motions-
and
this
has
emotions
that
are
before
you
I-
do
consult
with
city
staff.
I
do
consult
also
with
members
of
counsel
who
have
an
interest
with
as
chair
of
the
community.
That's
the
way
I
work
is.
P
R
D
R
Directly
to
a
pilot
project:
in
the
event,
if
you
read
it,
they
have
here's
two
lines
in
the
event
that
City
Council
approves
the
panel
plot
the
Apollo
program.
That's
the
key,
that's
the
key,
because
that
will
give
effect
up
to
the
bylaw
itself.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
and
then
nothing
happens
here,
okay,.
D
R
R
City
staff
in
recommendation
number
number
four
will
be
reporting
back
to
the
licensing
standards
committee
and
on
any
significant
public
health
issues
or
any
nuisances
as
he
refers
to
the
work
of
animals
a
mainly
to
any
any
concerns
that
have
to
do
with
public
nuisances
or
sanitary
conditions
and
any
concerns
from
residents.
Overall,
okay,
there
will
be
bad
consultation.
Of
course.
Thank
you.
A
P
Much
madam
Speaker,
this
is
page
four
NY
23.2
final
report,
site
plan
control,
application,
I'll
just
be
very
quick
and
I,
madam
Speaker,
just
to
say
that
I
want
to
thank
the
the
parents
of
John
Fisher
public
school
for
their
unprecedented
engagement.
What
you
see
is
these
motions
before
you,
most
of
which
were
passed
at
North
York
Community
Council
I
want
to
thank
North,
York
Community
Council
for
their
incredible
support.
Through
these
past
six
months,
you'll
see
here
the
highest
safety
possible.
P
The
highest
possible
safety
measures
are
now
in
place
to
protect
the
kids
at
john
fisher
school,
and
I
especially
want
to
thank
the
mayor
for
his
involvement
with
this,
as
well
as
the
local
MPP.
I
was
all
hands
on
deck
for
this.
This
initiative,
which
was
very
challenging
at
time
and
has
been
called
by
city
officials
Posterous.
A
travesty
bottom
line
is
we've
done
everything
we
can.
P
We've
exhausted
all
options
and
we've
got
a
great
set
of
recommendations
that
have
approval
from
the
developer,
the
school
council
parents,
as
well
as
the
day
care,
as
well
as
city,
legal
and
planning.
So
that's
what's
before
you
again,
it
looks
like
a
number,
a
lot
of
motions.
Most
of
these
were
passed
by
my
colleagues
at
North,
York,
Community
Council.