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City Council, meeting 32, October 4, 2017 - Part 3 of 3 - Evening Session
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A
B
B
A
C
H
F
A
Counts
are
by
Lao,
yes,
ma'am.
On
page
six,
CC
32.7
I
have
a
motion
that
I
worked
with
staff.
Okay
hold
on
the
mayor.
The
mayor
has
an
interest
on
this
yep.
That's
why
he's
outside
the
yeah
yeah?
No,
no!
No!
No!
No
stay
outside
stay
out!
Oh
okay!
Okay!
Go
ahead;
okay,
yeah!
So
I'm
releasing
with
the
attached
motion.
Okay,
so
council
bylaws
releasing
on
page
six
CC,
32.7,
158,
sturdy
and
Road
with
the
attached
on
fave
a
recorded
vote.
G
I
So,
on
page
4,
pw,
23.8,
free
floating
car
share
pilot
and
intern
policy
I
have
a
quick
referral
motion
if
I
can
just
speak
briefly
to
it
I
you
know
it's
it's
clear
that
that
the
the
interest
and
the
need
for
further
work
on
this.
It's
really
pocketed
among
certain
councillors,
certain
areas
and
so
I'm.
Moving
that
we
refer
it
back
to
the
general
manager
of
Transportation
report
back
will
come
in
a
very
short
couple
of
meeting
cycles,
but
that
way
we
can
actually
complete
the
agenda
tonight.
If
we
really
think
about
it,.
I
A
C
A
F
A
A
C
A
E
F
J
K
J
I,
don't
use
a
lot
of
time
up
here
comes
Irving,
so
this
is
a
decisions
come
down
by
Hockey
Canada
and
the
OHF,
the
Ontario
Hockey
Federation
for
the
six-year-old
to
start
playing
on
half
ice
hockey
where
the
bear
will
be
put
in
the
middle
and
then
the
little
guys
will
play
and
the
little
girls
will
play
on
half
and
half
I
talked
to
junior
walk.
We
have
no
idea
who's
buying
these
barriers,
who
owns
them,
who
puts
them
out
on
the
ice?
Who
takes
them
off
the
ice?
J
Can
you
rent
half
five
sheets
of
ice
off
the
city?
We
don't
know
I
asked
you
know,
that's
all
our
Park
staff
of
no
one
has
any
idea
what's
going
on.
This
is
simply
to
come
back
to
find
out
what
is
happening
because
all
the
organizations
are
kind
of
in
the
dark
on
it
and
think
we're
in
the
dark
on
it.
So
it's
in
free
to
come
back
on.
How
would
this
is
all
going
to
work
with
this?
Our
city
rinks
thank.
L
L
B
M
A
P
A
P
P
I
will
but
at
which
Robinson
you
want
to
ask
questions
but
yeah
just
in
on
the
other
side,
they
in
anticipation
of
maybe
what
councillor
Davis
is
gonna.
Ask
him
about.
I
just
want
to
ask
the
age-old
question
about
the
private
side
and
the
legalities
around
the
private
side,
so
that
we're
clear
on
this
issue.
N
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
contract
that
being
asked
to
be
assigned
right
now
is
dealing
with
the
city
own
services,
so
from
replacing
services
from
the
water
main
to
the
property
line,
the
shut
off
and-
and
it
is
not
dealing
with
the
privately
owned
portion
of
that
service,
lateral,
which
will
run
from
the
property
line
into
usually
the
basement
and
the
meter
in
the
home
and
that's
the
private
side.
So.
N
N
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
we
reported
to
Council
on
that
several
occasions
and
with
respect
to
funding
the
private
side,
we
had
recommended
against
giving
funding
to
it.
There
was
a
report
on
arranging
a
loan
program
for
for
homeowners
that
was
presented
to
Council
with
recommendations
for
approval.
The
council
did
not
accept
the
loan
program.
Okay,.
P
N
Madam
Speaker,
all
of
the
city-owned
infrastructure,
which
would
be
contained
in
the
road
right
away,
would
be
the
responsibility
of
Toronto
water
to
maintain,
and
the
only
other
thing
that
we
own
beyond.
That
would
be.
The
meter
itself
in
the
City
of
Toronto
then
owns
that
meter
and
is
responsible
for
the
repair
replacement
of
the
meter.
D
Q
Q
N
Through
my
superior,
that's
correct,
the
existing
company
that
that
the
contract
is
is
is
in
place
with
right
now
and
will
be
assigned
if
this
recommendation
is
accepted.
Had
previous
contracts
with
us
without
outstanding
warranty
obligations,
you
a
new
document,
you
fi,
okay,
we've
documented
those
and
as
part
of
the
condition
of
assignment
we
are
requesting
that
they.
Q
N
Q
N
Of
madam
Speaker,
we
did
report
back
on
one
of
our
annual
LED
mitigation
strategy
updates,
where
we
did
look
at
that
issue,
and
we
found
that
trying
to
track
private
side.
Information
would
be
problematic
as
the
data
that
is
very
poor
right
now,
and
the
systems
aren't
in
place
to
track
when
a
homeowner
chooses
to
proceed,
what
we
do
track.
What
is
when
we
do
work
on
the
city
side
would.
Q
N
My
new
speaker
there,
we
did
provide
a
report
at
last
public
works
meeting
where
we
provided
those
updated
numbers,
and
for
the
past
two
or
three
years
we
have
not
hit
our
target.
A
five
thousand
has
been
below
that
a
lot
of
that
is
driven
by
the
capital
program.
So
the
capital
program
is
really
the
program
where
we
were
trying
to
do
about
3,000
services
a
year
and
that
we
have
not
been
replacing
as
many
water
mains
in
the
older
area
where
lead
services
exist
over
the
last
few
years.
N
So
there
has
been
a
lesser
number
with
respect
to
the
second
part,
where
you
said:
what
are
we
doing
to
make
people
change
out?
We
have
a
advertising
campaign
that
we
work
with
Toronto
Public
Health,
and
we
target
homeowners,
particularly
the
at-risk
groups,
to
make
sure
they
know
that
that
are.
We
encourage
the
full
change
out
to
let
service.
Q
Have
it
I
have
another
question
mr.
D
Geronimo
the
contract
before
us.
You
have
said
that
we
cannot
require
a
contractor
to
even
offer
to
do
private
side
replacements.
So
in
fact
many
contractors
are
not
doing
it
at
all,
so
I'm
wondering
why
we
could
not
request,
and
you
could
actually
request
that
this
contractor
in
particular
your
last
question
on
doing
an
offering
private
side
replacements,
3.
R
I'm
just
going
to
go
back
over
that
again
through
you
speaker
to
mr.
de
anima,
and
it
just
has
to
do
with
the
private
side
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
those
who
are
having
their
streets
ripped
up
their
front
yards
they're
rights-of-way,
ripped
up
and
put
back
together
again
over
a
long
period
of
time
also
have
an
advantage
to
have
their
lead
pipe
replacement
done.
N
R
My
language
is
very
clear:
they
must
offer
the
service
they
they
must
offer
it.
We
can't
compel
the
person
to
accept
it,
so
I
think
I'm
going
to
ask
legal
about
that
or
somebody
from
purchasing
about
that
a
city
manager
mr.
Rossini,
so
he
gets
to
answer
a
difficult
question
prior
to
his
last.
You
know
just
ticking
down
at
your
last
meeting.
C
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
know
from
a
business
sense.
That
sounds
like
something
very
simple
that
we
should
do,
but
there
are
operational
issues
as
as
Lou
was,
was
alluding
to
and
there's
risk
issues
and
liability
issues,
a
company
that
we
have
contracted
to
work
in
the
road
right
away
to
do
work
on
private
property
and
then
who
would
be
liable
to
them?
No.
C
R
That
the
homeowner
on
one
contract,
you
might
be
aware
where
it
says
that
they
can
offer
it
if
they
would
like
to
offer
it,
but
they
chose
not
to
offer
it.
That's
the
current.
Therefore,
from
a
safety
point
of
view,
there
are
many
people
now
that
simply
can't
avail
themselves
of
the
most
simple
service
to
upgrade
their
lead
so
I.
It
is
not
a
liability
issue
if
it's
a
separate
contract
for
that
other
part
of
the
work.
The.
C
G
If
the
city
selects
a
contractor
and
requires
that
that
contractor
offer
services
to
members
of
the
public
should
something
go
wrong,
the
city
would
be
a
party
and
could
be
found
liable.
That's
a
very,
very
general
statement,
because
we
don't
have
any
specific
facts
here,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
there
are
some
liability
risks
with
respect
to
the
weather.
G
That's
before
council
today,
if,
if
counsel,
were
to
add
that
as
a
term
to
the
contract
and
require
the
company
to
whom
it's
being
assigned
to
accept
it,
there
would
be
a
significant
risk
because,
like
most
contracts,
this
one
contains
a
clause
which
says
that
the
city
must
consent
to
any
assignment
but
cannot
withhold
its
consent
unreasonably
and
because
it
would
be
a
significant
change
to
the
contract
scope.
But
it.
R
Doesn't
load
arguably
unreasonable,
I'm
asking
about
not
I'm
asking
in
general?
Is
there
not
a
waiver?
Is
there
not
some
process
that
can
be
set
in
place
where
good
citizens
who
are
having
their
lives
disrupted
for
a
month,
maybe
two
months
with
all
the
sewers
being
replaced,
everything
being
replaced,
including
the
lead
pipe
halfway
to
their
house,
could
sign
a
waiver
with
that
same
company
to
say
city's,
not
liable.
I
understand
that
is
impossible
from
a
legal
standing.
R
G
C
B
B
N
Correct
the
the
water
services
and
the
drains
are
owned
by
the
homeowner
and
any
repair
replacement
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
homeowner.
The
only
portion
of
infrastructure,
the
city
owns
beyond
the
property
line
would
be
the
water
meter
and
that
by
under
Municipal
Code
we
continued
on
and
we'll
deal
with
that.
So.
B
E
B
For
the
same
reason,
we're
discussing
the
pipes
under
the
ground
does
the
city
ever
get
into
deals
where
we're
going
into
the
house
and
changing
the
pipes
in
the
wall,
or
maybe
the
the
valves
I
know
the
brass
sometimes
contains
lead.
Do
we
get
into
that
business
as
well,
or
is
there
a
good
reason
why
we
don't.
B
B
N
B
In
theory,
that's
that's
what
you
can
do,
because
that's
where
the
city
analyst
and
the
private
land
starts.
So
in
theory,
my
house
was
built
in
the
50s
I
I'm
gonna,
assume
there's
not
LED
in
there,
because
I
think
we
tested
it.
But
if
I
decided
I
didn't
like
the
pipe
underneath,
my
private
land
can
I
change
it
at
my
will.
Do.
N
You
imagine
speaker,
yes,
you
can
and-
and
you
would
just
have
to
go
through,
Toronto
building
apply
for
plumbing
permit
and
and
it
because
it
is
private
plumbing
under
the
Ontario
Building
Code,
as
opposed
to
the
city's
infrastructure
which
is
not
deemed
plumbing.
It's
part
of
our
infrastructure
right.
B
So
the
discussion
I
think
we
have
today
is
that
if
I
can
paraphrase
it
right,
we
do.
We
do
work
on
the
public
side
of
the
demarcation
point
and
I
guess,
as
a
customer
service
or
an
incentive,
we
find
ways
to
make
those
contractors
available
to
the
private
homeowner,
but
we
keep
out
of
the
deal
that
deal
is
between
the
private
company
and
the
private
owner,
and
we
limit
ourselves.
We
put
a
firewall
up
because
we
don't
really
want
to
be
working
on
private
land
and
the
with
private
interests
of
the
private
homeowner.
With.
N
N
G
Q
Q
Q
Many
of
you
are
tired
of
hearing
me
talk
about
lead
pipes
in
Toronto,
but
I'm
not
going
to
stop
talking
about
lead
pipes,
because
we
continue
to
have
tens
of
thousands
of
lead
pipes
in
the
city
of
Toronto,
which
is
a
health
risk
to
vulnerable
people,
particularly
pregnant
women
and
young
children.
And
if
Public
Health
were
here,
they
would
tell
you
that
the
preferred
thing
is
to
replace
both
the
private
and
the
public
portion
of
lead
pipes
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
Q
We
have
had
a
program
that
has
two
components.
One
of
them
is
we
replace
the
city's
portion
of
lead
pipes
when
we
are
doing
scheduled
capital
maintenance
and
we
are
supposed
to
be
replacing
3000
pipes
per
year
and
we
are
not.
We
are
not
meeting
that
target
we're
not
coming
close
to
that
target.
We
are
supposed
to
be
replacing
1,500
pipes
under
another
program.
The
other
program
is
called
the
priority
program
or
the
on
demand.
Where
residents
come
and
say,
I
want
my
pipes
replaced
and
the
contracts
that
we
have
with
the
city
to
do.
Q
The
public
portion
have
no
provisions.
That
say
we
require
you
not
to
do
the
work
not
to
do
the
work
but
to
even
enter
into
discussions
and
make
an
offer
when
I
had
my
lead
pipes
replaced
the
contractor,
dug
the
hole
in
the
ground
and
did
both
the
public
and
the
private
side.
At
the
same
time,
from
the
main
to
the
house
and
all
of
the
public
health
information
says,
that
is
exactly
what
we
should
be
doing.
Q
We
know
that
if
somebody
comes
to
your
door
and
says
two
days
from
now
we're
going
to
be
replacing
your
pipes
and
oh
by
the
way
we
now
know
it's
led-
and
you
have
two
days
to
figure
out
if
you're
going
to
come
up
with
$3,500
to
replace
your
portion
and
oh
by
the
way,
we're
not
going
to
do
it.
For
you,
even
if
you
can
come
up
with
that
$3,500
in
the
next
two
days,
we
had
a
proposal
here
on
the
floor
of
Council.
Q
That
would
have
allowed
us
to
offer
a
loan
program
that
set
of
staff
recommendations
supported
by
the
CFO
that
we
would
help
on
the
financial
side.
But
you
know
what
we're
doing
we're
not
helping
on
the
contract
side
to
put
some
pressure
to
make
sure
that
those
contractors
are
at
least
making
proposals
and
offering
to
do
it.
Putting
bids
in
on
the
private
portion
side
they're
not
and
the
most
the
safest
way
to
replace
pipes.
Q
A
P
Based
on
the
advice
of
our
city
solicitor,
that
would
there
be
significant
risks
and
liabilities
that
this
motion
is
not
in
order.
That
is
not.
There
should
not
be
before
Council,
given
that
we
heard
from
our
city
solicitor
advising
us,
there
are
significant
risks.
With
this
motion
and
liabilities
to
our
city,
yeah.
A
C
I
won't
be
a
few
moments.
I
do
support
very
strongly.
The
motion
that
counsel
Davis
has
put
forward.
In
the
last
few
years,
I
have
had
several
streets
where
there
water
pipes,
residents,
water
pipes
have
been
replaced.
We
look
at
a
map
we
see
who
has
lead
piping
at
community
meetings.
Residents
go
okay,
I've
got
LED
piping,
but
City
will
help
me
on
there
on
the
city
side,
but
when
they
say
welcome
a
contractor
come
and
help
me
on
my
side.
We
go.
No,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
C
We
have
to
work
through
the
liability
side
of
it.
We
have
to
work
with
contractors
who
can
come
in
and
do
the
private
side.
While
that
hole
is
open.
We
are
costing
our
residents
far
more
money
than
necessary
because
everyone
fills
it
in
and
then
they
have
to
get
someone
to
come
and
dig
it
up
again.
So
I
do
support
the
motion.
We
have
to
work
around
this.
We
have
lots
of
lead
pipes
that
we
need
to
get
replaced
and
we
have
to
help
our
residents
to
do
so.
Thank
You.
R
For
example,
the
entire
street
ripped
up
dust.
Everything
parked
on
the
street
can't
no
parking
overnight
because
its
permit
parking
just
meetings
every
week
with
the
staff,
a
troubleshooter
has
there
from
ECS
or
a
troubleshooter
who's
hired,
ECS
troubleshooter
and
somebody
from
the
contracting
company.
There
are
so
many
people
there
and
a
little
letter
from
that
firm.
That
says
we
are
not
going
to
be
offering
you
any
private
replacement
residents.
You'll
have
to
phone
yourself
and
get
all
that
work
done
yourself
for
a
piddly
little,
what
maybe
$3,000,
but
it's
picky.
R
They
have
to
go
in
and
reopen
the
work.
That's
been
closed
off
by
that
contractor
and
undertake
each
one
of
them
when
we
have
a
large
contract
underway
and
those
people
could
be
doing
that
and
the
point
of
view
from
the
citizen
is
they
simply
can't
understand
how
we
can't
figure
out
that
that
should
be
offered
up
as
a
service
when
millions
of
dollars
worth
of
work
is
being
done
on
that
street.
Already
by
a
contractor.
They
cannot
understand
how
we
cannot
figure
that
out.
It's
like
those
stairs
counselor
to
channel.
R
They
couldn't
figure
out
why
we
couldn't
get
some
stairs
built
they're
in
a
difficult
and
unsafe
condition.
Lead
pipes
are
unsafe
when
you
break
the
pipe
when
you
break
the
pipe
you're
now
allowing
lead
more
lead
to
get
into
the
water
supply
for
that
home,
so
we're
creating
an
unsafe
condition.
I'm
surprised
people
haven't
gone
to
the
Ombudsman
and
said:
why
haven't
you
figured
that
out
because
I
don't
think
we're
being
very
creative?
R
We've
got
ourselves
stuck
in
no,
no,
and
no,
we
have
not
tried
to
get
to
yes,
we're
not
saying
everybody
has
to
have
done
we're
not
saying
the
contractor
must
do
every
single
one.
We
would
say
the
contractor:
that's
already:
there
should
offer
that
service.
Is
that
not
total
common
sense
to
everybody
sitting
in
this
room
counselors,
because
it's
total
common
sense
to
2.5
million
people
who
pay
taxes
in
every
single
one
of
our
wards
in
this
city,
and
so
to
simply
say
we
can
never
do
that
staff
of
told
us.
R
R
We
have
to
find
our
way
past
this
and
I
commend
councillor
Davis
for
not
giving
up
for
knowing
which
cities
actually
offer
this
service
in
whatever
way
they
do,
and
unfortunately
it's
only
a
certain
part
of
the
city
that
has
the
majority
of
lead
pipes
lead
lead
pipes,
so
I
really
wish
we
could
come
together.
Try
a
way
to
figure
this
out
for
these
residents,
who
are
who
are
having
an
unsafe
drinking
condition.
B
Thank
You
speaker
I'll,
be
very
brief,
just
in
case
there's
a
lack
of
clarity
on
what's
before
us.
I'm
gonna
draw
a
simple
parallel:
Thank
You,
counselor
Carol,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone
gets
it.
This
discussion
is
exactly
the
same
as
asking
our
paving
contractor:
that's
paving
the
road
along
a
public
street
and
actually
forcing
them
to
go
and
knock
on
the
door
of
the
house
and
say:
can
I
pave
your
driveway
too?
B
That's
exactly
what
this
is
so
why
the
city
would
want
to
get
in
the
business
of
paving
private
driveways
I
can
understand
it's
the
same
reason
of
why
we
wouldn't
want
to
get
in
the
business
of
changing
privately-owned
pipes
and
the
solicitor
just
told
us
that
if
we
compel
a
contractor
to
go
and
offer
this
service,
we
are
essentially
a
part
of
that
agreement.
I
cannot
fathom
why
we'd
want
to
get
into
an
additional
piece
of
business.
B
We
have
enough
things
to
occupy
our
time
that
homeowner
can
pick
up
the
phone
today
and
call
a
contractor
and
say
come
change.
My
pipes
I'm
not
happy
with
them,
whether
they're
light
or
not.
In
fact,
if
they
can
do
it,
they
should
do
it
right
away
if
there
is
light
in
there.
So
please
think
very,
very
carefully
about
the
precedent
you're
setting
here
and
the
door
that
you
are
opening.
It
is
quite
severe.
I
Kara
I'm,
sorry,
madam
Speaker,
but
but
I.
You
know
the
the
preface
to
my
colleague
before
me
was
to
make
it
clear
and
in
fact
it
was
less
clear
to
me
now.
It
seemed
that
the
that
my
colleague
did
not
understand
that
councilor
Davis's
motion
is
not
contemplating
that
we
get
into
the
business
of
pay
for
this.
I
Now,
like
other
municipalities,
staff
recommended
that
we
should
in
fact
offer
a
loan
program
to
easily
help
residents
at
their
own
cost,
pay
to
purify
and
clean
and
get
rid
of
the
lead
on
their
private
side,
and
in
that
report
no
one
was
asking
the
city
to
pay
for
it,
not
ultimately,
because
we
were
to
offer
a
loan
program
that
was
recoverable.
Now
we're
not
even
asking
for
recoverable
loan
we're
just
asking
that
they
offer
knock
on
the
door
and
say
at
your
cost
resident.
I
Would
you
like
us,
while
we've
got
your
front
lawn,
ripped
up
to
get
the
lead
out
of
your
pipes,
so
in
neither
of
these
two
opportunities?
Is
anyone
asking
the
city
to
get
into
the
taxpayer
dollar
business
of
taking
care
of
the
lead
that
has
the
potential
to
poison
people?
But
ultimately,
municipalities
are
supposed
to
be
addressing
this
issue
and
encouraging
residents
in
whatever
way
they
can
to
get
it
done.
So,
if
we're
going
to
preface
speeches
with,
let's
be
clear,
then
let's
be
clear
about
that.
We
get.
I
M
You,
madam
Speaker,
let
me
try
to
clarify
what
councillor
Holliday
was
saying,
because
I
think
our
colleague
didn't
quite
understand
and
I'm
gonna
bring
it
down
to
make
it
a
little
more
simpler
at
this
point
right
now,
a
contractor
who's
doing
the
work
on
our
side
can
go
knock
on
the
door
and
ask
that
resident.
If
they
want
the
work
done,
they
can
do
that
on
their
own
accord.
Right
now,
if
we
compel
or
through
the
contract,
we
tell
the
contractors
that
they
have
to
go
off
of
this
service.
M
P
Yeah
I
think
madam
Speaker,
it's
all
been
covered
off.
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
The
numbers
actually
are
trending
in
the
right
direction.
Last
year
wasn't
an
excellent
year,
but
this
year
is
looking
much
better
and
I
also
want
to
emphasize
the
fact
that
we
do.
We
do
have
free
filters,
that's
a
program
that
we
run
as
well
as
this
education
campaign
that
we
heard
our
rgm
talk
about.
We
do
have
a
full,
fledged
education
campaign
around
this,
and
you
know
educational
awareness
program
that
is
actually
very
well
orchestrated
and
operated.
A
A
C
A
A
Okay
can
I
have
some
quiet.
Please
please,
on
PW
20
we'll
go
back
to
a
PW
23.9
Eglinton
crosstown
counselor
Hollen
held
it
down.
Okay,
move
approval
on
favor
carry.
My
next
item
is
on
page
4,
pw
2310,
councillor
Davis
held
it
down
it's
here
without
recommendations.
It's
the
addition
of
former
municipalities,
logos
on
street
name
signs.
So
are
there
questions
councillor
holiday.
B
B
B
S
C
B
S
B
If
we,
if
we
go
through
a
full-out
initiative
to
put
the
former
municipalities,
we're
talking
a
lot
more
money
than
a
few
thousand
dollars
a
year,
spread
over
many
many
decades
to
actually
get
this
done
through,
you
know
yeah
now
dude.
Would
you
foresee
that
there
may
be
a
risk
or
an
influx
of
3-1-1
calls
of
people
saying
hey,
there's
a
logo
on
that
sign.
I
want
one
on
my
street
too.
Coming
up
great,
my
sign.
S
B
S
You,
madam
Speaker,
there's
a
couple
of
different
ways.
We
could
do
it,
of
course,
as
directed
we
could
do
it
by
ward.
We
could
have
specific
wards
that
are
identified
as
wanting
those
logos,
their
street
signs
and
then,
when
the
request
came
in
to
update,
we
could
make
sure
that
the
specific
logo
was
identified
to
put
on
that
sign.
Sorry.
B
B
S
B
Just
on
the
on
the
general
design
of
the
signs
I
know,
we
took
some
care
into
a
a
visual
identity,
but
be
just
a
functionality
of
signs.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
trying
to
read
the
street
whether
they're
in
a
car
on
a
bike
or
walking
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
need
for
clarity.
Has
anyone
looked
into
what
additional
encumbrances
extra
logos
colors
shapes
all
of
these
kinds
of
things
that
get
added
to
a
road
sign
through.
S
You,
madam
Speaker,
so
in
2007
we
did
an
accessibility
review
to
upgrade
our
signage
to
something
that
was
more
visually
accessible
and
that's
the
the
standard
that
we
have
right
now.
We
haven't
done
additional
analysis
to
determine
if
there's
any
kind
of
degradation
and
the
signs
effectiveness
if
it
has
more
more
stuff
on
the
bottom.
B
S
A
S
P
G
G
P
P
S
You,
madam
speaker,
we've
we've
come
up
in
the
attachment
with
a
couple
of
different
options.
We
already,
as
on
request,
put
on
logos
of
the
Poppy
to
recognize
veterans,
and
so
we
have
three
components
of
the
street
sign
the
top
blade,
which
typically
will
have
just
the
City
of
Toronto
logo.
Unless
there's
a
BIA
that
wants
to
have
their
notation
and
then
the
largest
part
and
the
one
with
the
most
contrast
has
the
street
name.
S
P
You're
saying
there's
images,
ie,
poppies
and
summit
on
some
of
them,
there's
also
may
be
I
did
not
strike
calm
this,
but
former
or
not.
Former
neighbourhoods
like
I'll,
give
an
example,
Lee
side
or
Teddington
Park
downs
view.
Thank
you
so
there's
neighborhood,
/,
bi,
A's,
there's
former
cities
and
there's
the
street
name
and
there's
images
like
potential
poppies.
Okay
and
it's
just
I'm,
not
sure
who
ant
should
answer
this-
does
that
contravene
the
city's
policy
to
have
a
neighborhood
listed
likely
site
on
the
sign.
P
P
That's
helpful
and
then
my
last
question
because
I
do
worry
about
you
know:
I
get
complaints
now,
even
from
some
of
our
our
own
colleagues.
Here
about
the
signs
having
a
lot
of
information
hard
to
read,
you
know
you
have
to
drive
by
a
couple
times
times
to
figure
out
where
you're
going.
So
my
last
question
is:
did
you?
Did
you
run
this
by
the
Toronto's
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee,
to
ensure
that
we
had
their
comments
on
this?
This
proposal,
similar
to
vision,
zero
when
we
were
developing
that
logo
it
went
to
that
committee
for
you.
T
I
want
to
make
a
small
point
through
my
question,
and
that
is,
if
you
do
consent
to
having
logos
on
the
street
signs
of
the
former
local
municipalities
before
amalgamation.
You
could
have
scar.
We
could
identify
Scarborough,
for
example,
East
York
North,
York,
Etobicoke
York.
How
do
you
identify
Toronto.
B
T
I
Q
The
cost
of
three
to
four
thousand
was
for
both
East
York
and
Scarborough
and
I
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
subsequent
amendment,
a
good
amendment
that
also
will
add
other
areas
of
the
city
and
I
intend
to
support
that
one
as
well.
But
if
it
should
fail,
you
will
have
before
you
this
motion,
which
is
to
allow
a
small
East
York
logo
in
the
corner
of
signs
that
are
being
replaced.
Q
I
I
Q
Okay,
oh
let's
not
ask
for
the
mean
you
make
that
just
let
me
say
from
the
seniors
who
continue
to
value
that
East
York
culture
and
that
East
jerk
symbols
to
the
skateboarders
who
regularly
paint
the
skate
park
with
the
Easter
clos
go,
who
put
tattoos
on
their
bodies
of
the
Easter
khloga?
My
son
has
fun
on
his
leg,
so
I'm
telling
you
that
there
is
a
sense.
I
Q
I
Q
I
The
beer
maker
counselor
bank
marker
I
am
going
to
restart
councilor
Davis's
time.
Cuz
I've
lost
track
of
how
much
time
I've
lost
her
so
councillor
to
beer
maker
I
really
have
to
ask
we're
not
going
to
move
to
that
kind
of
heckling
that
goes
on
in
other
houses
of
government,
and
I-
and
I
admit
that
I
egged
it
on
a
little
bit,
but
we
really
do
need
to
get
back
to
work.
Thank
you.
My
ruling
is
we're
getting
back
to
work.
Councillor
davis,
two
full
minutes,
I
mean.
Q
So
this
has
come
from
from
a
request
from
the
Easter
Historical
Society,
the
Easter
Foundation
and
several
other
East
York
leaders
who
would
like
to
restore
the
Easter
glow,
go
on
the
signs.
It
is
a
very
fun,
it's
a
very
cost.
It's
a
very
minor
cost,
so
I,
don't
believe
cost
is
a
factor
whatsoever.
The
question
is
whether
or
not
violating
the
so-called
corporate
identity
policy
is
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
and
I
would
argue
absolutely
not.
Q
Q
Identifier
that
people
respect
and
value
and
want
to
have
there
now
I,
don't
know
how
it
is
that
cities
like
London,
New,
York,
City
and
other
large
mature
cities
can
continue
to
recognize
their
burrows
and
not
fall
apart,
and
yet
the
City
of
Toronto,
Kent
I
think
it
reflects
the
heritage
and
it
reflects
the
will
of
our
community
to
continue
to
have
their
former
municipality
respected
and
reflected
on
their
signs.
Thank
You.
P
I
think
that's
an
important
step
with
all
brand
development,
with
all
initiatives
like
this
one,
where
we're
changing
things,
I
am
concerned
about
clutter
I've
had
a
lot
of
feedback,
saying
I
have
a
hard
time
reading
the
signs,
as
we
have
an
aging
population
and
they're
there
already
enough,
in
fact,
there's
a
lot
of
information.
A
lot
of
things
going
on
on
these
signs
are
important
to
really
navigate
our
city.
P
C
C
C
L
It
thank
you
Thank
You,
councillor,
Joe,
so
I
have
a
motion
if
the
clerk's
could
put
it
up
on
the
screen,
and
it's
that
council
approved
the
addition
of
what
actually
councillor
my
havoc.
Not
yet
they're
gonna
put
that
motion
up
first
you're
supposed
to
assist
me
that
council
approved
the
addition
of
the
legacy
cities,
logo
on
replacement
and
and
new
street
name
signs
within
the
boundaries
of
the
legacy
cities.
Based
on
the
middle
example
in
attachment
1
to
the
report
from
the
general
manager
transportation
services
was
councilman.
L
Havoc
is
now
going
to
put
on
the
screen.
Vanna
in
City
Council
directed
its
estimated
ten
thousand
to
twelve
and
a
half
thousand
dollar
cost
for
the
legacy
city
signs
to
be
funded
from
within
the
transportation
services
operating
budget,
and
if
it
comes
from
a
Vanna
White,
sir,
thank
you
could
put
that
up.
It's
the
middle
one
with
the
options
with
the
poppy
for
those
who
have
lived,
who
have
veterans
on
the
street
and
that
one
shows
the
East
York
logo,
but
it
could
be
any
logo.
L
It's
actually
I'm
trying
to
be
fair
and
allow
other
legacy
cities
to
have
it.
They
identify
with
their
community
Scarborough
Etobicoke
York
North
York,
the
old
city
of
Toronto.
You
know
Torontonians
want
to
acknowledge
their
heritage
and
their
history
and
I
think
that's
really
the
key
to
this.
We
in
fact
actually
have
a
whole
city
agency
devoted
to
heritage
and
these
former
legacy
cities
are
actually
a
part
of
that
heritage.
This
is
not
a
threat
in
any
way
to
the
corporate
identity
policy.
L
People
are
not
going
to
suddenly
think
they
got
lost
or
drove
through
a
time
warp
if
people
are
driving
around
and
can't
find
where
they're
going.
It's
probably
because
there's
the
trees
are
overgrown
near
the
street
signs
and
they
can't
actually
see
the
sign
rather
than
that,
there's
too
much
clutter
on
them.
I
actually
think
that
the
corporate
identity
policy
was
is
a
little
dated.
Now
it's
about
17
years
old
and
probably
needs
a
little
bit
of
a
refresh.
So
I'd
ask
you
to
support
this
motion.
L
I
know
councillor
Burnside
is
going
to
be
introducing
a
motion
that
will
allow
for
councillors
who
don't
want
to
be
included
into
it
to
opt
out,
and
he
can
introduce
his
own
motion
and
have
his
five
minutes
I'm
not
trying
to
take
his
five
minutes
from
him.
But,
like
I
said,
this
is
really
a
question
of
equity
and
I
really
want
it
for
those
who
wanted
for
their
communities.
D
We
put
that
on
the
screen,
hopefully
so
it
would
seem
that
there's
been
a
bit
of
a
grassroots
effort
by
the
good
folks
of
East
York
and
a
lot
of
work
by
a
couple
councillors.
Unfortunately,
when
this
situation
came
to
light,
there
was
some
pushback
in
one
of
the
areas
of
old
East
York
that
I
actually
represent.
So
that's
why
I
came
up
this
with
this
motion.
Q
Q
G
A
T
Remember:
terrific
hockey
and
football
games
against
East
York,
but
speaker,
that's
the
past
and
I.
Don't
want
us
to
live
there
or
dwell
there.
We
should
be
doing
everything
we
can
to
build
a
unified
spirit
to
create
in
this
international,
highly
competitive
world
a
Toronto
brand.
Now,
if
there's
anything
that
I
think
we
should
reinforce
and
take
special
pride
in,
it's,
not
the
former
municipalities,
it
should
be
the
communities
that
we
represent
in
my
area,
I've
had
Bridal
wood
placed
on
street
signs
in
the
bride.
T
Wood
community
I
would
be
pleased
to
add
Agincourt
or
Wexford
or
Highland
Creek,
because
that's
where
the
focus
should
be
the
communities
in
which
we
live
and
Speaker
I
would
hope
that
you
would
see
this
issue
as
I
do
because
I
think
it's
very
important
for
us
to
continue
forward
in
that
unified
spirit
and,
at
the
same
time
reinforce
the
quality
of
life
in
our
local
communities.
Those
are
the
two
things
that
should
occupy
our
time:
our
attention
and
our
resources.
Thank.
B
Speaker
if
I
may
place,
my
oh
my
my
motion
take
another
another
crack
at
this
to
receive
the
item
and
I'll
add
a
very
brief
comment.
I
won't
Don
the
cap
in
the
in
the
chamber,
but
if
everyone
can
see
that
this
is
my
vintage
Etobicoke
hat,
it
would
look
good
on
fine.
It
has
a
vintage
crest
on
it
and
it
would
look
really
good
on
a
sign.
B
Come
to
my
office,
there
is
the
Etobicoke
flag
flying
in
many
places,
and
I
am
very,
very
proud
of
the
history
of
the
area
that
I
represent.
In
fact,
it's
a
family
history
and
you'll
you're
hard-pressed
to
find
me
without
some
sort
of
vintage
piece
of
Etobicoke
with
me,
but
I
am
concerned
about
the
practicality
of
this
proposal.
What
I
do
worry
about
the
complaints
that
we
get
about
the
appearance
of
our
city,
sort
of
half
chain
signs
here,
a
broken
sign
over
there.
B
We
heard
from
the
transportation
folks
for
this
to
be
rolled
out
unless
you
want
to
dump
a
ton
of
money
into
it
and
do
it
all
in
one
shot,
which
I
can't
believe
there
would
be
very
many
people
supporting
that
cost.
This
is
going
to
take
years
and
years
and
years
to
change
these
stickers.
It
will
create
an
inequity
and
it
frankly,
just
won't
look
good.
Well
just
have
these
little
logos
popping
up
here
and
there
and
will
be
the
subject
of
criticism
about
you
know
why
isn't
being
added
and
my
street?
B
Why
isn't
it
being
added
to
that
Street
ad
that
the
idea
that,
as
mr.
as
councillor
Kelley
just
just
spoke
about
his
communities
in
in
Etobicoke,
we
still
refer
to
ourselves
as
being
from
Islington
being
from
Rexdale
being
from
new
Toronto
Mimico?
So
there
is
a
lot
of
history.
Locked
up
into
the
form
of
municipalities
and
I
can
see
the
discussion
even
going
to
there
to
those
former
cities
that
created
the
municipalities
that
created
to
Toronto
wanting
to
identify
themselves
in
their
own
special
way.
B
I
will
put
through
the
council
that
I
think
we
should
just
leave
this
idea
alone
about
the
stickers,
because
it's
going
to
be
so
hard
to
do
it
well,
they
would
remind
councillors
that
your
job,
your
job,
is
to
actually
represent
the
communities
and
represent
their
history,
and
it's
the
actions
that
you
do
here
in
this
chamber
that
help
support
the
history
there.
At
the
example
I
use
in
the
public
works
committee,
was
we
had
this
discussion
about
parking
on
the
street?
B
Well,
one
of
the
things
that
defines
the
community
that
I
represent
are
kind
of
clear
in
an
unencumbered
streets.
So
I
really
get
my
back
up
when
people
start
talking
about
on
street
parking.
There's
very
good
reason
for
that,
because
it
is
the
culture
and
the
identity
of
the
area
that
I
represent
parks.
Another
tremendously
important
thing
to
my
community,
so
I
put
my
heart
and
soul
into
trying
to
make
those
the
best
places
that
they
can
be
and
reflective
of
the
the
way
they
were
as
I
grew
up.
B
A
A
Q
A
C
Speaker,
it
was
my
understanding
or
the
intent
of
councilor
frack
attack
is
frog
Atticus
when
she
moved
her
motion
that
councillor
Burnside's
motion
would
not
be
out
of
order
because
it
gives
an
opting
out
option
to
councillor.
So
it's
a
policy
that
everyone
gets
it.
But
if
you
wish
to
opt
out,
you
can.
C
D
H
S
D
D
E
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
there
was
a
report
that
went
to
North
York,
Community
Council
I,
believe
about
a
year
ago,
where
a
similar
issue
was
discussed,
and
at
that
time
there
was
no
Coralie
with
respect
to
design
features
or
other
recommended
changes
that
are
part
of
the
recommendation
going
forward
now.
So,
as
staff
have
continued
to
research,
the
issues
and
the
safety
issues
related
to
the
number
of
schools
that
are
on
that
section
of
Avenue
Road,
which
is
narrowing
the
lanes
staff
support
the
reduction
in
speed
limit.
Now,
okay,.
R
K
K
S
K
Been
putting
up
30
kilometre
speed
limits,
all
over,
like
I
mean
we've
been
given
at
30
30
30
kilometre
speed
limits
like
you
give
up
candy
on
Halloween.
My
question
is,
is
is
do
you
and
this
is
actually
reinforced
by
what
I
hear
in
every
neighborhood
not
to
reduce
speeds,
because
we
don't
enough
cops
to
enforce
it.
S
You,
madam
Speaker,
so
the
my
understanding
is
those
places
where
we've
done
speed
reductions.
The
speed
was
out
of
line
with
the
design
of
the
roadway,
and
so
we
brought
those
two
together,
especially
on
local
roads,
and
so
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that,
if
you
don't
do
anything
related
to
the
design
and
the
design
speed
allows
cars
to
travel
at
a
much
higher
rate
of
speed,
then
the
only
way
to
try
to
manage
that
is
through
enforcement
or
a
redesign
of
the
roadway.
So.
S
S
F
F
This
Avenue
Road
is
a
beast
that
I've
been
dealing
with
since
elected.
In
the
last
several
years.
There
have
been
400
accidents
between
Eglinton
and
Lawrence,
and
there
are
eight
schools,
daycares
and
other
child
facilities.
There
are
parks,
very
narrow,
sidewalks
and,
and
it
is
a
commuter
route,
it's
the
only
Street
north
south
street.
That
is
open
most
of
the
time
two
lanes
at
Eglinton.
So
we
have
lots
of
traffic
going
through.
D
Thank
you,
so
I
will
be
supporting
councillor
Krebs
or
the
motion
to
reduce
the
speed
limit.
But
what
I
my
concern
is
that
we
we
make
a
lot
of
changes
and
we
say
a
lot
of
things
and
and
I'd
like
to
actually
see
some
data
after
the
fact
to
corroborate
what
we
think
we're
doing
is
a
good
thing.
I'd
like
to
actually
see
those
results,
Thank.
I
I
This
is
these
schools
have
been
here
for
a
hundred
years,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
anywhere
near
Eglinton
from
one
end
of
the
Crosstown
project
to
the
other
end
of
the
Crosstown
project,
drivers
who
have
to
get
through
it
to
get
the
kids
dropped
off,
get
to
the
other
side
of
the
Crosstown
project
and
carry
on
down
to
work
are
really
starting
to
feel.
The
pinch
are
really
stressed
doing
so.
It's
a
struggle,
and
so
on
Avenue
Road,
which
is
technically
a
highway.
It
is
technically
a
highway.
I
It
has
begun
to
create
a
little
bit
of
aggressive
driving,
and
this
is
aggressive
driving
in
an
area
that
is
just
jammed
with
kids.
There
are
all
these
schools
here
and
it's
approaching
Eglinton,
so
it's
dropped
him
off.
Get
this
time
get
to
get
to
the
cross
town
find
my
way
across
it
through
the
construction
site
and
and
beyond
with
it.
I.
I
Sorry,
there's
a
lot
of
chatter
and
I
can't
tell
if
it's
about
what
I'm
saying
or
not,
but
it's
sure
true
sex
distracted,
there's
a
sort
of
calling
around
anyway
anyway,
in
terms
of
the
data
gathering
I,
don't
think
you're
gonna
get
real
and
and
meaningful
data
in
north-south
routes
and
anywhere
right
around
the
Crosstown
area.
While
it's
ongoing
as
a
construction
site,
it's
Canada's,
largest
infrastructure
project.
I
My
residents
would
like
a
very
robust
and
and
rigorous
study
a
Victoria
Park
of
all
of
the
ramps
to
the
Don
Valley
Parkway
of
Don
Mills
Road
of
Lesley
of
Bayview
andand
young.
They
want
every
north-south
route
study,
the
reason
being
we're
going
through
a
very
difficult
time
and
we
could
add
Avenue
Road
to
the
list,
except
my
residents
aren't
going
over.
There
very
often,
but
every
north-south
route
is
a
frustration
right
now
and
it's
it's
being
borne
out
in
school
zones.
I
That's
all
this
is
about,
but
in
terms
of
data,
I
think
the
best
traffic
study
possible
would
be
for
us
to
really
look
at
the
impact
of
the
finished
crosstown
when
it's
done
and
make
whatever
design
changes
are
necessary.
Then
the
true
physical
design
changes.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank
you.
Cows.
O
Why
are
we
now
going
to
put
more
staff
resources
to
test
all
of
those
things,
particularly
on
one
tiny
stretch
of
road
that
has
seen
so
much
date,
so
many
dangerous
accidents
that
has
so
many
schools
and
child
cares
and
we're
now
and
we're
actually
saying
part
of
our
new
countermeasures
include
some
of
these
very
things:
creating
school
safety
zones,
we're
just
reducing
the
speed
limit,
ten
kilometers
not
an
hour
and
there's
a
direct
correlation
between
the
speed
of
vehicles
and
fatalities.
We
don't
need
to
go
back
and
check
this
after
okay.
H
Be
very
brief,
as
well,
madam
Speaker,
just
to
say
that
I
had
the
chance
to
go
up
with
councillor
Carmichael
Greb
to
one
of
the
schools
Allenby
school,
that
has
800
students
and
I
stood
there
with
the
police
officers
and
actually
was
watching
the
radar
they
weren't
giving
tickets.
But
they
were
really
just
trying
to
sort
of
demonstrate
that
people
are
speeding
in
places
where
they
shouldn't
be,
and
this
is
a
school
zone.
It
would
be
one
of
the
first
candidates.
H
I
would
recommend
I
guess
to
the
deputy
mayor's
point
for
photo
radar
when
we're
allowed
to
put
it
into
school
zones,
because
people
are
going
at
such
speeds
and
we
saw
them
that
was
northbound
traffic,
of
course
in
the
morning,
because
they're
not
in
rush-hour
they're
going
at
such
speeds.
It
is
a
tragedy,
a
huge
tragedy,
waiting
to
happen.
C
Yep
I
just
want
to
make
one
very
small
comment:
this
came
up
when
we
were
doing
30
kilometres
an
hour
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
There's
an
important
enforcement
aspect
to
this.
If
you
are
driving
along
at
60
and
posted
50,
you
don't
have
much
of
a
fine
if
you're
driving
along
at
60
and
it's
posted
40,
it's
a
much
heftier
fine,
so
the
enforcement
incentive
becomes
much
more
much
more
significant
and
therefore
you
do
actually
affect
speeds.
That
way.
That's
all
the
one
saying
thank.
J
Speaker
after
after
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
with
the
other
party,
literally
in
the
last
hour,
we
we
arrived
at
a
motion
that
the
chief
planner
and
I,
along
with
our
city,
solicitor
I,
feel
very
comfortable
moving
forward
with
and
I
believe
may
may
arrive
at
a
significant
improvement.
So
you'll
see
something
on
the
screen.
In
a
moment,
I'll
read
the
first
two
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
where
we're
going
so
number
one
City
Council
adopt
the
confidential
instructions
to
staff
attached
to
this
motion.
A
So,
let's
hold
it
down
until
it
circulated.
Okay,
next
is
page
six
new
business,
CC,
32.3,
structural,
realignment
of
the
deputy
city
manager
and
chief
financial
officer
position
cal,
sir
Fletcher,
do
you
have
questions
hold
on
party?
No,
no!
Does
any
old
councillor
Crawford
has
questions
count
to
Crawford.
Thank.
O
The
managers
and
I
have
been
working
to
find
a
way
of
bringing
more
professionalism
and
expertise,
even
more
professionalism
and
expertise
to
the
city
and,
as
we've
been
doing,
that,
we've
been
trying
to
become
increasingly
intentional
about
both
identifying
our
talent
and
making
sure
that
that's
brought
forward
and
making
sure
that
we
do
that
with
an
appropriate
focus
on
diversity
and
diversity
and
inclusion.
We
want
to
do
so
in
such
a
way.
That's
deeply
respectful
of
the
authority
of
council.
Both
of
these
positions
are,
of
course,
mandatory.
O
Absolutely
I
would
propose
that
that
in
the
usual
way
we
put
together
a
panel,
in
this
case,
Council
I,
would
presume
it
would
be
chaired
by
the
chair
of
Budget
Committee,
along
with
other
committee
chairs,
to
bring
forward
for
review
once
we've
had
an
opportunity
to
undertake
a
full
and
thorough
recruitment
and
have
a
short
list
of
appropriate
candidates.
Okay,
thank.
K
R
R
We
had
a
conversation
earlier
about
understanding
that
for
a
deputy
city
matter
manager,
positions
and
the
CFO
that
there's
generally
has
been
the
process,
although
apparently
there's
no
policy,
but
there
is
a
process
that
those
are
positions
in
which
councillors
are
whatever
way.
They're
brought
forward
to
select
and
interview
that
that
has
been
the
process
of
this
council.
They.
O
O
R
O
R
O
R
Be
clear
because
I
thought
we
were
having
some
differences,
that
the
process
that
I'm
describing
is
the
panel
putting
the
panel
together.
The
interviews
of
course
everybody's
there,
but
that
that
process
is
in
collaboration
with
or
often
has
been.
My
experience,
not
for
the
four
time
four
years
but
previous
to
that
was
through
the
mayor's
office,
because
that
was
this
was
put
in
place
in
a
2009
I.
Think.
O
And
and
my
understanding
of
these
positions
are
analogous,
for
example,
to
the
the
approach
we
took
to
fill
the
position
of
the
city,
solicitor
and
I'm
following
precisely
the
same
model
for
the
proposed
CFO
position,
as
we
proposed
relative
to
the
city
solicitor.
And
what
was
that
to
undertake
to
create
a
an
external
review
to
undertake
a
canvassing
of
the
best
available
candidates.
Once
we
had
that
to
bring
those
candidates
to
a
panel
of
city
councilors
and
on
the
basis
of
that,
bringing
recommendation
forward
to
Council
as
and.
R
R
It
was
a
management
model,
not
a
commissioner
model
and
that
the
CFO
position
and
the
deputy
city
manager
position
were
combined
and
I
support
the
delinking
of
those,
because
all
of
the
work
that
has
been
in
that
deputy
city
manager
position
attached
to
the
CFO
I
think
it
is
very
hard
to
do
your
job.
Looking
after
the,
however
many
built,
how
many
billions.
C
R
6-0
billion
and
making
sure
everything's
in
place
and
deal
with
all
the
other
matters
that
are
associated
with
facility
security
and
everything
else
so
having
those
two
positions
come
apart,
I
very,
very
much
support
that
and
I
believe
in
the
past.
Counselor
carol
has
tried
to
have
that
happen
in
the
last
administration,
unsuccessfully.
So
good,
that's
number
one
number
two
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
in
all
of
that
senior
management
team.
R
Also,
the
mayor
I
know
was
very
involved
in
the
selection
of
the
deputy
city
manager,
because
I
sat
on
that
panel,
so
I
think
that
perhaps
in
the
last
administration,
things
kind
of
tilted
a
little
bit
more
to
the
administration
managing
those
things
and
that
council
perhaps
wasn't
as
involved
and
I,
would
like
to
think
and
I
think
that
our
city
manager
is
guaranteed.
That
he'll
be
following
a
very
rigorous
process
that
the
we
will
not
have
anything
brought
forward.
That
hasn't
gone
through
that
process.
R
Having
said
that,
I
definitely
support
the
candidate
who
is
being
put
forward
for
deputy
city
manager.
A
hundred
percent
and
I
understand
that
we
will
beginning
this
recruitment
for
the
CFO
and
I
think
that
and
we
have
an
acting
CFO
and
will
start
a
recruitment
for
a
permanent
position.
So
I
just
wanted
to
establish
that
for
people
that
haven't
been
here
that
haven't
been
part
of
this
place
from
the
thinking
from
2009,
sometimes
it's
important
to
look
at
what
that
balance
is
between
senior
staff
and
City
Council.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
A
D
A
O
D
N
D
H
Sadly,
over
the
past
year,
we've
lost
three
members
of
Toronto
City
Council
pepid
Pam
McConnell,
Ron
Moser
and
former
Mayor
Rob
Ford
and
I
moved
this
motion
to
further
the
process
of
naming
something
in
our
city
for
each
of
them
and
I
realized
that
there
is
some
debate
in
some
quarters
about
naming
things
after
people
who
are
holding
public
office,
but
I
believe
in
the
case
of
these
three
people.
They
all
served
lengthy
periods
of
time
in
public
office,
and
so
the
matter
of
considering
such
a
possibility
is
entirely
proper.
H
In
these
three
cases
they
serve
for
very
long
periods
of
time.
I
will
address
most
of
my
comments
this
evening
to
the
recommendation
and
respect
of
Rob
Ford,
the
proposal
to
name
the
stadium
at
Centennial
Park
after
former
Mayor
Rob
Ford,
came
at
the
request
of
the
Ford
family
following
an
earlier
public
consultation
process
in
respect
of
a
park
which,
in
fact,
I
think
was
suggested
by
a
by
a
citizen.
H
As
members
of
council
know,
Rob
Ford
was
elected
as
the
mayor
of
the
city
died,
while
sitting
as
an
elected
member
of
City
Council,
where
he
served
a
total
of
12
years
as
a
city
councilor
plus
the
four
years
that
he
served
as
mayor
in
all
of
my
actions
as
mayor
and
I,
think
people
would
find
it
difficult
to
cite
examples.
Otherwise,
I
try
to
be
generous
to
put
politics
to
the
side
and
to
do
what
seems
right,
I
think
most
of
us
do
most
of
the
time.
H
This
includes
many
kids
who
played
football,
who
would
feel
that
he
helped
them
and
that
he
heard
them.
Hence
the
suggestion
of
the
naming
of
a
football
stadium
in
the
very
community
that
he
represented,
but
I
also
recognized
the
fact.
We
cannot
erase
history
or
gloss
over
very
difficult
parts
of
our
city's
past
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
former
mayor's
actions
and
comments,
while
in
office
were
hurtful
and
disrespectful
to
some
and
inconsistent
with
the
expectations
that
go
with
the
office
that
he
held.
H
Everybody
is
mayor,
including
me,
swears
to
uphold
the
integrity
of
the
office
and
I
understand
the
responsibilities
that
we
have
as
leaders
here,
especially
us
to
ensure
that
all
of
our
citizens
are
respected
and
and
included
at
all
times.
I
will
say
that
I
believe
very
strongly
that
the
divisive
era
of
city
politics
in
Toronto
is
now
over
and
that
we
are
here
to
represent
our
residents
interests
and
their
wishes
and
the
best
interests,
most
importantly
of
the
city
as
a
whole,
as
I
have
said
publicly.
H
The
decision
I
have
honored
my
own
commitment
to
the
foreign
family
and
I've
done
it
in
a
very
genuine
way
and
I
I.
Do
it,
in
particular,
with
regard
to
the
conversation
that
I
had
with
mrs.
Dianne
Ford
Rob's
mother,
just
as
I
do
the
same
with
respect
to
conversations
I've
had
with
people
representing
the
families
of
Pam,
McConnell
and
Ron
Moser,
so
that
we
could
put
this
matter.
These
matters
for
consideration
of
the
council.
I
will
support
all
elements
of
this
recommendation
recognizing
as
there's
most
moat
with
most
things
here.
H
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
My
remarks
are
going
to
be
quite
short.
I
do
appreciate
the
generous
intent
of
this
motion.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
support
it.
This
is
obviously
a
very
polarized
and
debate
as
it
were
as
it
regards
in
regards
to
Centennial
Stadium.
However,
I
think
the
question
is
actually
bigger
than
one
person
to
me.
We
need
to
shift
our
focus
and
do
more
to
recognize
everyday
citizens,
people
who
have
volunteered
hours
days
years
of
their
lives,
car
city,
better,
we've
done
it
with
a
few
people,
but
they're
few
and
far
between.
D
D
Feel
that
any
politician
who
is
there
any
individual
for
that
matter,
who
has
had
such
a
significant
impact
or
who
has
had
a
significant
impact
and
being
memorable
in
in
their
his
or
her
accomplishments?
There
will
be
that
appetite
two
or
five
years
down
the
road
I
think
it's
just
a
little
premature
to
to
decide
on
any
of
the
three
the
three
worthy
individuals,
but
I
also
think
that
we
really
need
to
concentrate
our
focus
on
recognizing
everyday
citizens.
A
Q
A
A
A
A
K
K
R
Do
believe
that
it
is
very
clear,
with
the
will
of
Council
that
this
council
certainly
wants
to
make
or
that
we
don't
lose
a
110
year
old,
den
Selmer,
menagerie
carousel
with
pigs
and
ostriches
and
many
carved
animals
that
don't
exist
in
any
other
carousel,
the
being
the
only
one
in
Canada
and
on
our
waterfront.
So
to
me
this
isn't
a
casual
well
see
what
you
can
do.
It's
a
casual,
bring
us
back
a
deal,
bring
us
back
a
deal
to
government
management.
A
I'm
sorry
hold
on
I
didn't
know
there
were
more
questions:
okay,
okay,
counselor
holiday.
You
have
a
motion
to
councillor.
Fletcher
I
mean
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm!
Sorry,
do
you
have
a
question
that
counts
are
Fletcher?
Okay,
counselor
Fletcher
announced
their
holiday
three
minutes.
Clarification
of
the
motion.
Thank.
B
R
B
R
R
That
the
deputy
mayor
was
right
when
this
comes
back,
that's
up
to
our
fantastic
staff
to
negotiate
what
that
looks
like
councils,
making
it
very
clear.
We
want
a
deal.
What
does
that
look
like
within
the
license
agreement?
They
will
be
recommending
something
they
may
recommend
money.
They
may
not
it.
Who
knows
what
it
would
be
a
Covenant
on
it,
I'm,
not
sure
count
as
a
deputy
manager.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
have
real
problems
with
this
and
I'm,
not
supporting
it
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why.
So
this
is
one
of
these
motions
that
Kumbha
comes
through
comes
on
our
table
and
you
think
you
know
it's
a
harmless
thing,
there's
no
real
impact
on
it
and
that's
a
problem
with
a
lot
of
these
things
that
come
through
this
council
so
their
consequences.
Let's
say
this
thing
that
is:
gonna
cost
us
a
sum
of
money.
K
Let's
say
it's
going
to
cost
us
a
million
dollars,
because
we
knew
that
there
was
not
from
the
table
for
three
million
dollars.
The
very
awkward
question
that
we
don't
ask
ourselves
enough
in
this
place
is:
what
is
it
that
we're
giving
up
for
that
million
dollars
and
I
will
tell
you
that
my
residents
have
not
said
to
me.
You
know
what
we've
got
enough:
affordable
housing.
We
don't
need
that.
Let's
say
it's
a
million
dollars,
so
we
can
buy
a
carousel.
K
K
That's
that's
the
discussion
that
we're
having
today.
That's
the
awkward
discussion
wax.
That's
the
discussion
that
we're
not
having
today.
My
residents
haven't
told
me
that
you
have
license
to
go
and
buy
a
merry-go-round.
That
day
has
not
come
to
this
council.
We've
got
a
lot
of
other
priorities
and
we
shouldn't
be
doing
this.
We
should
not
be
doing
this.
It
is
the
wrong
thing
to
do.
K
We
don't
buy
frills
and
if
there's,
if
there's
one
example,
that
I
mean
there's
no
better
example
that
I
could
think
of
than
buying
a
merry-go-round
and
an
amusement
park
ride.
Well
anyway,
I
I'm
not
supporting
this.
If
somebody
wishes
to
save
this
merry-go-round,
so
be
it,
maybe
we
can
help
find
sponsors.
A
A
J
J
A
J
P
P
Go
ahead:
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
be
very
quick.
We've
advanced
circulated,
motions
and
you'll
see
that
before
you,
the
first
one
is
24.
So
it's
on
blue
paper
in
front
of
you
and
if
you
didn't
know
in
November
staff,
are
bringing
forward
a
report
to
Public
Works
Committee
with
an
update
status
report
on
the
vision,
zero
growth
safety
plan.
What
I'm
doing
is
including
these
requests,
both
the
blue
and
the
green,
which
I
can
only
do
the
blue
right
now
from
councillor
long
time
and
councillor
Fletcher
to
be
included
as
part
of
this
upcoming
report.