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City Council, meeting 32, October 3, 2017 - Part 1 of 3 - Morning Session
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A
A
B
That
happens
on
a
day
to
day
basis,
but
it
also
happens
on
a
basis
of
important
employee
recognition
and
at
the
end
of
last
month
there
was
a
joint
Health
and
Safety
Committee
recognition
event
on
September
29th
about
500
people
attended,
which
gives
us
I
think
in
this
chamber.
Some
understanding
of
how
important
this
is
to
our
workplace
into
our
employees
today
we're
very
pleased
to
be
able
to
recognize
award
recipients
from
that
event.
There
are
two
awards
and
I'll
speak
to
both.
The
first
is
the
Dominic
muley
Health
and
Safety
Award.
B
This
award
presented
is
a
presented
annually
to
an
employee
or
group
of
employees
who
make
an
outstanding
contribution
to
improving
health
and
safety
awareness,
working
conditions
or
take
action
to
prevent
injuries
to
fellow
employees
and
the
winner.
This
year
is
Tina
a
Harper
from
economic
development
and
culture
and
Tina.
If
you
could
join
us,
Tina's
recognized
for
her
efforts
to
actually
ensure
in
our
workplace
and
with
our
with
not
only
our
employees
but
with
the
people
we
are
pleased
to
serve.
B
B
It
is
a
it's,
of
course
great
and
it's
great
to
recognize
Tina
and
her
colleagues,
but
the
reality
is
that
this
is
something
we
take
seriously
every
every
day
and
it's
very
important
that
we
recognize
with
the
mayor.
Councillor
Davis
who's
been
fundamentally
committed
this
for
a
very
long
time
and
that
we
celebrate
our
contributions
to
to
safety.
The
next
award
is
the
dr.
Sheila
Basra,
Occupational
Health
and
Safety
Award,
and
my
notes
tell
me
what
we
already
know:
the
dr.
Sheila
Basra,
the
late
dr.
B
Sheila
Basra,
was
our
medical
officer
of
Health,
also
the
chief
medical
officer
of
health
for
the
province
of
Ontario,
where
I
grew
to
know
her
well
and
to
tremendously
respect
her
contribution
to
our
shared
community.
This
is
a
ward
that's
presented
annually
to
the
vision
that
has
achieved
the
greatest
industry,
injury
reduction
through
their
shared
efforts.
We
have
a
runner
up,
which
is
employment
and
social
services
which
achieved
a
12%
reduction
in
lost
time,
injuries
in
2016,
but
the
winner
this
year
with
a
spectacular
over
90
percent
reduction,
is
fleet
services.
B
B
A
D
Madam
Speaker,
thank
you
very
much.
If
you
didn't
know
waste
reduction
week
in
Canada
will
be
held
in
October
of
this
year,
October
16th
to
the
22nd
specifically
and
this
year.
The
City
of
Toronto
is
proud
to
be
a
participant
and
a
sponsor
of
waste
reduction
week,
which
engages
and
empowers
Canadians
to
reduce,
reuse
and
recycle
waste.
It's
a
good
reminder
of
the
importance
of
reducing
waste
and
it
closely
aligns
with
our
very
important
long-term
waste
management
strategy
that
we
adopted,
which
really
puts
a
priority
on
reducing
waste
and
minimizing
the
amount
sent
to
landfills.
D
So
I
want
to
challenge
my
colleagues
in
this
room,
my
fellow
councillors
and,
of
course,
residents
across
Toronto
to
not
just
reduce
waste
during
waste
reduction
week,
but
throughout
the
entire
year.
I
want
to
tell
you
specifically
about
a
great
new
day
called
textiles
Tuesday,
and
this
will
be
part
and
parcel
of
waste
reduction
week.
The
city
in
partnership
with
the
recycling
Council
of
Ontario,
will
be
holding
a
pop-up
clothing,
swap
on
October
17th
from
10
a.m.
to
3
p.m.
D
on
Nathan,
Phillips
Square,
and
we're
very
pleased
to
be
partnering
with
the
recycling
Council
of
Canada
of
Ontario
I'm,
sorry
of
Conterra
they've
been
great
partners
and
we
look
forward
to
doing
more
work
with
them.
So
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
increase
public
awareness
on
encouraging
donation
and
reuse
of
textiles,
keeping
this
material
out
of
the
blue
bin
recycling
stream.
It's
also
an
opportunity
to
educate
the
public
about
the
environmental
and
economic
implications
of
garment
production,
the
benefits
of
repair
and
proper
care
of
clothing
and
our
current
barriers.
D
A
Thank
you
welcome
members
of
council.
We
will
not
review
and
confirm
the
order
paper
to
this
point.
Council
has
completed
132
items.
There
are
61
items
left
on
the
agenda
plus
44
member
motions,
City
Council
will
consider
member
motions
at
2
p.m.
City.
Council
has
decided
to
consider
to
consider
the
following
items
together
after
member
motions,
e.x
27.1,
I,
Toronto,
Hydro,
Corporation,
Annual,
General,
Meeting
and
2016
audited,
financial
statements
and
CC
32:11
on
appointments
to
the
Toronto
Hydro
Board
of
Directors
I
will
now
take
the
release
of
holds.
G
E
E
E
A
E
G
J
K
A
E
E
M
H
A
N
O
K
K
A
O
P
You
speaking
good
morning,
everyone
page
7,
VG
22.9
city,
initiated
santa
avenue
study
between
all
Western
world
and
black
thorn
Avenue
zoning
bylaw
amendment
is
madam
Speaker
quickly.
I
really
want
to
thank
city
staff
from
the
planning
department,
also
the
st.
Clair
West
revitalization
working
group,
including
you,
madam
Speaker,
who
are
in
part
of
the
discussion
and
and
this
is
going
to
hurt
the
community
tremendously
so
I'm,
going
to
release
this
item
without
a
huge.
Thank
you
to
everyone.
Thank.
A
A
K
R
A
D
A
H
A
A
E
E
I
do
Speaker
I,
have
petition
for
three
hundred
and
sixty
four
signatures,
asking
City
Council
to
support
member
motion.
Let's
keep
going
round
and
round
saving
Toronto's
antique
carousel.
This
central
carousel
is
only
one
of
a
handful
of
dental
menagerie
carousels
left
in
the
world,
the
only
one
in
Canada,
it's
a
much-loved
carousel
there's
only
one
hundred
and
twenty
five
of
its
kind
in
North
America.
So
there's
53,
hand-carved
animals,
cats,
pigs,
ostriches
and
rabbits,
and
they
were
all
lovingly
restored
in
recent
years.
Okay,.
A
E
G
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
have
a
petition
as
well
to
submit
to
the
clerk
with
two
hundred
and
sixty-four
signatures
asking
the
city
to
support
the
members
motion.
Let's
keep
going
around
and
around
saving
Toronto's
antique
carousel
people
have
start
we're
looking
forward
to
some
day
taking
the
subway
all
the
way
to
downtown
Toronto
and
enjoying
the
carousel
Thank
You.
Q
D
Q
E
O
Thank
you
very
much.
Madam
Speaker
I
have
a
petition
with
277
signatures.
It
does
change
asking
city
council
to
support
members
of
Motion
32.3.
Let's,
let's
keep
going
round
and
round
saving
Toronto's
antique
carousel
I
must
confess.
I
would
never
go
on
a
ride
like
that,
because
spinning
around
is
not
good
for
me,
but
I
think
as
a
heritage
piece.
It's
good
to
keep.
N
Very
much
madam
Speaker
I
do
have
a
petition
I'd
like
to
present
to
members
of
council.
The
petition
contains
264
signatures,
asking
City
Council
to
support
member
motion
32.3.
Let's
keep
going
round
and
round
saving
trials.
Antique
carousel.
This
is
a
very
important
cultural
asset.
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
miss
this
opportunity
to
try
to
keep
it
in
Toronto.
A
N
H
H
E
Q
A
L
L
Arnold
Chan
replaced
me
when
I
quit
federal
politics.
Unfortunately,
within
a
few
months
of
being
elected
the
Member
of
Parliament,
he
was
diagnosed
with
cancer
for
three
and
a
half
years
close
to
four.
He
fought
it.
I
tell
you,
madam
Speaker,
there's
not
a
more
politician,
I've
seen
being
resilient.
The
man
would
go
to
events
time
after
time
and
a
lot
of
attributes
have
been
said
about
Arnold.
He
was
a
scar,
boys
record
boy.
He
went
to
he
and
my
parents,
his
parents
and
I,
are
about
a
block
away
from
each
other.
L
He
went
to
Sir
John
emic
Macmillan
Sir,
Ernest
Macmillan.
He
went
to
Henry
Kelso
senior,
he
went
to
Bethune.
These
were
schools
are
in
Scarborough
agent
courts,
but
you
know
you
can
read
everything
about
Arnold
and
you
can
read
about
how
nice
he
wasn't
everything
else,
but
I'll
tell
you
a
little
personal
story
that
but
I
Reynold.
Just
after
he
got
the
nomination,
we
got
together
for
a
cup
of
coffee
in
the
morning
and
we
had
a
conversation.
L
I
said
you
know:
Arnold
your
life's
gonna
change,
you're
gonna
reach
over
and
one
of
these
mornings
when
we
wake
up
and
you're
gonna,
be
in
Ottawa
in
the
hotel
and
your
family's,
not
gonna,
be
there
and
he
started
laughing
and
set
off.
He
says
yes,
I
read
your
your
story.
25
years
ago,
however,
Arnold's
wife
Jean
stood
in
for
him
many
times
she
was
there
by
his
side
every
single
event,
every
single
day
that
I
could
have
seen.
So
the
attributes
that
we,
the
accolades
that
we
speak
about
Arnold,
are
immense.
L
He
will
be
remembered
as
one
of
the
best
MPs
that
we
have
had
in
Scarborough
and
matter
of
fact
for
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
His
last
speech
in
the
house
was
something
of
a
barnburner
and
he
talked
about
what
we
should
be
doing
and
how
we
should
be
nice
to
each
other.
However,
I
do
want
to
say
to
Jean
and
her
family.
We
will
miss
him,
although
he
was
the
Member
of
Parliament.
For
a
short
time,
people
in
Scarborough
were
talk
about
him.
Every
time
that
I
see
somebody,
they
were
giving
me
their
condolences.
L
They're
asking
me
to
pass
on
the
messages-
and
this
is
not
just
one
or
two.
These
are
hundreds
of
people
that
are
certainly
saying
that
they
will
miss
him.
Madam
Speaker
I
I
give
the
family
my
personal
sympathy
so
as
I
have
before
and
I'm
doing
it
in
public
and
I'll
know
one
thing
that
he's
down
he's
up
there
looking
down
at
us
and
he's
laughing
every
single
day
and
he's
saying
you
got
to
carry
on
and
you
got
to
be
nice
to
each
other
and
only
family.
L
Have
they
I
want
to
thank
this
council
for
a
long
stay
couple
of
words
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
for
accommodating
us,
no
one,
the
family
for
coming
down
today,
Jean
and
the
boys,
you
got
a
legacy
to
carry
and
Jean
I
know.
Just
when
I
was
on
the
phone
to
you
the
other
day,
you
were
having
a
little
argument
with
a
young
one,
they're
trying
to
drive
and
how
to
go
but
I'm
sure
you
I'm
sure
you
will.
L
E
E
E
After
you
spent
some
time
with
Arnold,
you
would
realize
that
politics
was
in
his
blood
and
for
me
that
that
was
an
important
characteristic,
because
you
knew
given
his
commitment
to
the
political
process
and
to
policy
that
he
was
always
offering
a
very
thoughtful
perspective
on
the
issues
of
the
day.
And
finally,
Arnold
was
a
man,
a
member
of
parliament
who
understood
that
today
and
going
forward
that
cities
were
the
areas
that
not
only
had
the
major
challenges
that
faces,
but
also
the
greatest
opportunities
for
success.
E
C
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
and
may
I
just
join
with
colleagues
that
have
spoken
already
and
all
here
to
extend
my
condolences
to
Jean
and
to
the
members
of
the
family.
These
young
men,
I
should
say,
are
fine.
The
young
man
I've
had
a
chance
to
meet
them
during
the
week
of
Arnold's,
passing
and
again
here
today,
two
out
of
three
are
here
today
and
I'm,
always
one
of
those
who
sort
of
says.
C
If
you
look
at
the
most
important
responsibilities,
we
have
those
of
us
who
have
children,
it's
to
be
a
good
parents,
and
so,
if
you
want
a
measure
of
arnold
and
jean,
but
that
you
can
see
these
three
very
fine
young
men
who
all
spoke
at
their
father's
funeral,
which
is
something
that's
not
easy
to
do
and
spoke
in
an
eloquent
and
articulate
a
manner
about
their
father.
And
there
was
lots
to
speak
about
I'll
start
by
saying.
Arnold
was
a
partisan.
C
In
fact,
it
was
said
at
his
funeral
that
he
loved
I
think
he
loved
and
had
a
passionate
sort
of
affair
with
the
Liberal
Party
and
I
can
only
attest
to
the
fact
that
he
did
work
in
Premier,
Dalton
McGinty's
office
and
that
the
excellence
of
his
work.
There
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
able
to
have
the
privilege
of
standing
here
being
the
mayor
of
Toronto
instead
of
being
Premier
of
Ontario,
so
a
Jean,
but
you
know
what
he
he
was
a
partisan.
C
But
when
you
worked
with
him
as
I
had
the
chance
to
do
over
the
last
three
years,
he
didn't
just
represent
the
people
of
which
he
did
at
Scarborough
Agincourt
very
well.
He
took
a
keen
interest
in
Toronto
and
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
the
well-being
of
Toronto
projects
that
we
had
on
the
go
in
this
very
chamber
here
and
so
I.
C
Thank
him
for
that
and
I
wanted
to
just
quote
from
his
his
speech
that
he
made
about
civility
because
I
think
it
goes
along
with
some
of
what
we
were
talking
about
some
of
us
yesterday,
when
we
were
celebrating
the
life
and
mourning
the
passing
of
our
friend
Pam
McConnell,
he
said
we
can
disagree
strongly.
In
fact,
we
should
that's
what
democracy
is
about
when
we
listen
to
one
another,
despite
strong
differences.
That's
when
democracy
really
happens.
That's
the
challenge,
that's
going
on
in
the
world
right
now.
No
one
is
listening.
C
Everyone
is
just
talking
at
once.
We
have
to
listen
to
each
other
and
in
so
doing
we
will
make
this
a
stronger
place
referring
to
Parliament.
So
a
gene,
you
and
your
three
wonderful
sons
have
our
condolences.
We
thank
you
for
coming
here
today
and
we
have
thanked.
We
give
you
thanks
as
well,
for
Arnold's
public
service
and
for
all
that
I
know
you
sacrificed
in
allowing
him
to
serve.
C
Probably
the
greatest
tribute
we
could
offer
in
in
gratitude
for
his
public
service
is
to
listen
to
him
and
what
he
said
about
listening
to
each
other
and
I.
Will
tell
you
that
I
think
we're
gonna
make
an
effort
to
do
that,
but
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
Arnold's
public
service
to
all
of
you
in
the
family.
Thank.
M
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
pass
my
deepest
condolences
to
the
family
and
it's
more
than
father
as
well.
I
didn't
know,
I'm,
not
sure.
Until
one
day
he
called
my
home
and
asked
me
to
go
for
coffee
and
I
didn't
know
who
he
was,
but
I
agreed
to
go
for
coffee
with
him
and
he
sat
down
at
Tim
Hortons
and
had
a
coffee
and
vo
sounding.
M
He
was
very
strong
and
very
deeply
committed
and
passionate
about
Scarborough
about
representing
the
people
in
the
area
and
because
he
grew
up
in
the
area
where
he
wish
you've
represented.
He
knew
the
people
there
like
well
and
in
fact,
some
of
the
friends
that
I
have
in
the
area
knew
or
understand
before.
I
did
because
he
had
been
out
to
help
a
lot
of
people
and
he'd
been
out
to
help
various
people
such
as
my
coach
and
Mark
Holland,
Premium
McGinty.
M
So
he
had
done
a
good
job
in
building
and
helping
to
formulate
the
policies
and
the
thoughts
and
also
influencing
a
lot
of
people.
So
he
has
been
a
great
MP
and
he
was,
and
we
will
definitely
miss
him.
You
know
I
meet
him.
A
lot
of
different
functions
and
I
meet
his
wife,
a
small
gene,
so
I
wish
the
family
well
and
hopefully,
as
I
said
at
the
funeral,
if
you
need
anything
for
me,
just
let
me
know,
and
we
will
see
what
we
can
do
for
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
E
E
E
E
E
Center
was
set
up
many
years
ago
in
the
core
of
the
city,
and
now
it's
moved
more
out
to
Markham
and
services,
the
South
Asian
Chinese
community,
really
looking
for
people
that
need
settlement
programs,
women
at
home,
childminding
development
for
families,
a
good
safe
place
to
go
for
families,
and
he
was
very
dedicated
to
that
organization,
as
well
as
all
organizations
in
his
community.
So
I
do
think
that
he
did
a
great
job.
He
was
a
lovely
gentle,
caring,
human
being
and
the
city
and
the
country
are
less
off
because
if
his
passing
thank.
L
A
S
You
speaker,
speaker,
I,
have
nothing
but
respect
for
counselor
to
China,
so
I'm
good
with
with
sticking
to
the
sticking
to
the
facts
as
they
were
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
the
pilot
to
basically
allow
people,
those
who
aren't
ready
doing
so,
allow
people
to
basically
build
a
chicken
coop
in
their
backyards
and
and
maintain,
maintain
chickens
and
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
speaker
and
actually,
as
I,
think
about
the
issue.
S
S
S
A
S
Speaker
I'm
there's
a
kind
of
irony
to
this
I
remember
as
a
as
a
young
person
immigrating
to
Canada
and
and
I.
Remember
when
my
father
and
my
uncle
Kurzweil
it
we
tenant
it
with
my
uncle
in
his
home
when
they
went
into
the
back
yard,
to
till
the
soil,
to
plant
some
tomatoes
and
some
basil
and
some
beans
and
I.
Remember
the
stiff
upper
lips
on
the
street
that
curled
up
and
the
nostrils
that
flared
and
said.
You
know
those
folks.
That
said
no,
we
don't
do
that
here.
S
We
don't
we
don't
chill
the
backyard
and
and
plant
a
garden
and-
and
that
was
a
that-
was
very
much
a
sort
of
a
working-class
thing
back
in
back
in
the
day
and
now
now
that's
that's
very
common,
but
it's
the
same
people
that,
with
that
stiff
upper
lip
and
most
nostrils
that
were
flaring
back
then
that
that
that
middle
class
of
folks.
That
now
today
is
saying.
Please
allow
us
to
have
chickens
in
our
backyard.
S
Let
us
let
us
build
a
coop
and
maybe
grow
our
own
makeup
powered
eggs
so
that
we
can
we
can.
We
can
have
these
yummy
eggs
in
the
morning,
but
but
there's
a
there's,
a
kind
of
middle-class
naivety
associated
with
that
position.
That
is
absolutely
that
is
that
that
that
is
engaging
for
me.
It
just
kind
of
like
it.
It
brings
it
all
home
chickens
need
work,
lots,
lots
of
work,
they
need
to
be
fed
and
cared
for
each
and
every
day,
two
three
times
a
day.
They
need
to
be
cleaned
yeah.
S
They
need
to
really
be
taken.
Care
of
and
chickens,
don't
produce
the
kind
of
eggs
that
people
are
talking
about.
There
are
a
number
of
months
because
I
remember,
as
a
young
man,
a
counselor
Mary
Margaret
McMahon
yesterday
said
to
me,
but
you're
Italian.
You
should
like
the
notion
of
being
able
to
raise
your
own
chickens
in
the
backyard
I.
Remember
that
experie
in
Italy
I
was
old
enough
to
remember
the
chickens
and
people
had
chickens
in
in
our
hometown
next
to
their
homes
and
the
rest
of
it
and
I'll.
S
Tell
you
why
they're
not
permitted
today,
because
when
I
go
back
the
chickens
aren't
there
anymore,
because
chickens
are
dirty,
they
require
a
lot
of
work.
They
they
drop,
they
eat
all
day
and
drop
feces
everywhere
and
that
CC
powders
up
and
that
powder
in
dry
climates
basically
goes
airborne.
They
generate
a
whole
bunch
of
flies.
S
Big
fat,
black
flies
that
love
chicken
coops,
that
love
chicken
areas,
absolutely
the
ones
that
don't
get
eaten
then
fly
around
and
what
they
do
is
they'll
fly
over
and
land
on
the
on
the
hotdogs
and
hamburgers
that
the
neighbor
has
on
the
grill
are
taken
off
the
grill.
Yes,
they
do.
Yes,
they
do
speaker,
that's
exactly
what
those!
What
those
big
black
flies
will
do
now.
I
understand
that
that
counselor,
the
channel
has
probably
ample
space
in
his
backyard.
S
Big
home
can
do
that
coop
and
will
spend
hundreds
of
dollars
on
very
nutritious
food.
That
will
power
that
Omega
in
those
aims,
so
that
when
he
has
that
age
it
just
whoa
he's
like
raring
to
go,
I
get
that
and
he
will
be
conscientious
at
that.
And
yes,
there
will
be
some
other
people
who
do
likewise
and
yes,
there'll,
be
some
other
people
will
look
at
that
and
say
how
do
I
you
know.
S
Do
this
as
a
business
and
and
and
the
rest
of
it
in
in
basically
being
able
to
produce
lots
and
lots
of
eggs,
but
in
working-class
neighborhoods,
chicken
coop
after
chicken
coop
after
chicken
coop
they're
smelly
one
of
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
bylaw
issues
that
we
have
that
drives
absolutely
people
crazy.
It's
things
that
attract
rodents
into
a
neighborhood
mice
and
rats,
and
these
will
because
that's
what
they
do.
S
You
know
people
who
let
their
dogs
run,
run
rampant
in
their
back
yard
and
drop
pcs.
Everyone
don't
pick
up
after
it
drives
people
absolutely
nuts.
So
while
a
few
people
will
take
up
the
call
to
have
a
chicken
that
will
lay
an
egg
for
a
few
months
and
now
you
know
July
and
August,
they
stopped
laying
eggs
until
about
Christmastime,
and
then
they
start
laying
eggs.
Slowly
again
until
you
know
springtime
March,
and
so
they
don't
lay
eggs
all
the
time.
S
Every
couple
of
days
when
they're
laying
eggs,
but
when
they're
not
laying
eggs,
they
give
you
zero
eggs.
So
yes,
and
what
this
will
do
is
will
drive
people
crazy,
well,
a
few
people.
Do
it,
the
great
majority
will
not
and
they'll
be
on
the
phone
to
you
saying
how
could
you
possibly
permit
that
the
store
next
door
is.
K
Madam
speaker,
following
a
chicken
experts,
a
lot
of
work
today
very
demanding
I,
do
have
a
motion
that
is
to
refer.
Counselor
may
have
expulsion
and
counselor
Jana's
motion
to
the
executive
director
licensing
standards.
We
request
that
the
executive
director,
mr.
licensed
Anders,
hold
public
consultations
on
the
pilot
to
permit
backyard
hens,
as
proposed
in
these
motions,
our
portal
back
to
licensing
and
Standards
Committee,
on
the
results
of
that.
So
in
doing
that,
there's
seriously
there's
a
sorry.
K
I,
don't
know
if
he
was
about
the
motion
about
the
chickens,
but
when
I
was
speaking
offline
with
Tracy
Cook
and
asked.
Do
we
hear
about
this
at
all
from
people?
Are
there
other
complaints?
And
the
answer
was
yes?
In
fact
of
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
annual
complaints
regarding
prohibited
animals
close
to
a
hundred
of
them
were
for
chickens
that
aren't
even
permitted
now.
K
So,
if
we're
getting
that
type
of
complaint,
it
comes
back
to
the
issue
that
was
spoken
about
earlier.
We
as
a
council
are
open
to
public
consultation.
We
like
to
hear
from
people
as
to
what
they
think
we
do
that
quite
substantially
on
development
applications.
We
do
that
on
parks,
improvements,
even
little
playgrounds,
we
go
out
to
talk
to
people
or
on
dog
parks.
We
do
that
regarding
traffic,
we
do
that
on
difficult
items
like
taxis
in
uber
and
we're
consulting
now
on
what
we're
going
to
do
on
other
areas.
K
That's
what
we
do
we
go
out
and
we
ask
the
people
that
we
represent.
What
do
you
think
and
we
allow
them
an
opportunity
to
come
forward
and
tell
us
that-
and
we
haven't
done
that
in
this
case
I
know
my
colleagues
have
gone
around
listed-
will
support
this.
Let
me
do
a
trial
project,
but
I,
look
at
it
and
compare
it
to
some
of
the
backyards
that
we
have.
K
That
may
be
15
feet,
wide
20
feet
wide
house
after
house
in
the
areas
where
they're,
smaller
and
they're-
not
that
long,
and
can
you
imagine
and
and
I'm
trying
to
imagine
if
my
neighbor
had
chickens
running
around
next
door
and
yesterday
I
was
playing
a
little
tape
of
chickens
clucking,
but
with
that
that
noise
I
mean
there's
enough
noise
that
we
hear
sometimes
whether
it's
construction,
because
if
it's
6:45
in
the
morning
the
phones
ring
in
the
counselor's
office,
why
are
you
letting
them
construct
before
7
o'clock?
Don't
you
have
bylaws?
K
K
But
let's
give
them
a
chance
to
tell
us
their
opinion
first
and
not
make
up
our
minds
for
them
and
not
do
it
through
a
bylaw
for
a
year
and
a
half
or
two
years
that
lets
it
go
in
certain
areas.
When
again,
we
even
have
haven't
even
asked
them.
That's
why
I've
moved
the
motion
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
compromise
to
it
now
and
it's
up
to
you
as
my
colleagues
to
decide
what
you
want
to
do.
K
Q
Just
a
quick
question
about
the
motion
because
I
think
we're
the
biggest
challenge
here
is
to
alais
any
misunderstanding
and
I
heard
you
described,
but
you
know
a
chicken
in
my
next-door
neighbor's
backyard
and
one
of
the
hurdles
here
is
there.
There
won't
be,
according
to
this
proposal,
any
chickens
and
backyards
in
Willowdale
and-
and
this
isn't
an
in
general
proposal,
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
would
consider
it
a
friendly
amendment.
If
we
could
be
specific
in
this
that,
because
we
want
a,
we
wanted
to
the
pilot
totally
happened
in
four
Ward's.
K
Mine
is
to
do
a
public
consultation,
because,
even
if
you
do
it
in
those
three
or
four
wards,
you
don't
know
what
other
people
may
want,
and
what
you
may
find
is
that
the
local
councillor,
if
it's
something
that
people
in
his
community
really
want
to
those
four
Ward's,
don't
bring
their
people
out
and
they'll
say
they
want
it.
In
other
words,
may
say
no
or
other
awards
may
say
yes,
I,
don't
want
to
go
through
multiple
public
consultations.
K
I
think
we
should
find
out
what
it
is
and,
of
course
the
local
councilors
will
try
to
bring
out
their
constituents
to
say
that
they
want
it
and
I'd
love
to
hear
from
them
and
maybe
will
recommend
it.
But
I
don't
think
we
should
only
consult
in
just
those
four
Awards
when
we're
looking
at
a
change
to
allow
something.
I
think
those
Wars
should
definitely
be
included,
but
I
don't
see
any
reason
to
not
allow
residents
to
Scarborough
North,
York
and
Toronto
to
come
out
because
they
may
like
it.
Q
I
need
further
clarification
now,
madam
Speaker,
because
the
proposal
now
is
just
to
conduct
the
pilot
and
the
four
Awards
where
councilors
want
them.
So
my
question
is:
are
you
having
a
consultation,
despite
the
the
potential
that
that,
in
fact,
what
does
it
contain
pilot
right
now?
The
consultation
might
require
the
necessity
of
broadening
it
and
increasing
the
cost
of
conducting
the
pilot.
Are
you?
Are
you
saying
that
if
it
came
back,
six
boards
now
wanted?
K
Thought
I
was
clear:
I
think
public
consultations
are
public
consultations,
I
think
if
you're
going
to
ask
people
what
they
think
those
people
in
the
various
that
I
represent,
that
you
represent
that
my
colleagues
from
Scarborough
or
downtown
represent,
should
be
welcome
to
come
to
those
consultations.
I
think
that
this
recommendations
and
will
come
from
committee
to
counsel
and
counsel,
will
make
a
decision
at
the
end.
I
think.
A
H
K
H
K
Thanks
I'm
not
aware
of
the
survey
I'm,
not
aware
of
whom
was
called
what
the
questions
were
or
what
the
responses
were.
What
I
do
know
is
I
didn't
receive
any
calls
to
my
office
about
these
surveys,
so
I
would
suggest
that
most
people
in
my
community
probably
didn't
hear
about
them.
But
if
you're
gonna
ask
me
about
what
the
survey
might
have
been
I
can't
answer
you
any
questions
or
be
surprised
about
anything
because
I,
don't
know
anything
about
the
survey.
So
you.
H
H
H
K
In
clarification
of
my
motion,
no
or
I
wouldn't
have
put
it
here
because
now
you're
saying
that
someone
should
be
have
chickens
next
door
to
them
and
after
they're
allowed
there
because
council
allowed
it,
then
you
should
consult
them.
I
think
you
can
inform
people
through
public
consultations
the
same
as
you're
asking
for
it
describe
what
the
needs
are
and
get
their
perspective
on
it
through
the
division,
which
is
what
I'm
suggesting
not
that
each
of
us
go
out
and
have
chicken
meetings
or
some
type
or
I'm,
saying
I
think
that
you
can
go
out.
K
K
L
K
A
L
K
K
Now,
I'm,
just
allowing
me
to
chase
the
dream
of
adding
on
to
my
speech,
but
I
said
it
earlier.
I
think
that
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
not
going
to
abuse
it
I
respect.
All
of
my
colleagues.
I
really
think
it's
important
to
put
the
issue
out
because
it
wasn't
out
in
any
of
the
work
that
we
did
over
the
bylaw.
We
didn't
put
it
out
at
our
committee
meetings.
We
didn't
ask
people
to
talk
about
it.
We
simply
looked
to
amend
something
here.
K
I,
don't
think
that's
fair
to
residents
of
the
city,
I
think
if
you're
going
to
make
a
change
like
that,
even
on
a
trial
basis,
you
should
let
them
know
that
when
it's
at
the
committee
and
in
fairness,
my
colleagues
could
have
rocked
that
up
at
committee
they
could
have
brought
it
up
at
the
licensing
committee.
They
could
have
suggested
it
there.
K
Nobody
suggested
it
at
the
licensing
committee,
so
I
feel
that
my
motion
is
completely
fair
and
reasonable,
because
if
yet
didn't
tell
people
about
it
there
and
it
was
somewhat
secretive
and
you
thought
was
to
do
it.
Why
are
you
doing
it
here?
We
always
say:
do
these
things
that
committee
and
that's
all
that
I'm
saying
here,
put
the
question
of
chickens
and
backyards
public
consultations
at
the
committee
and
then
to
counsel
not
to
counsel
without
the
ability
for
people
to
speak
to
it.
Thank.
F
Tb,
thank
you.
Madam
Speaker
and
I
have
a
motion
as
well,
which
is
very
similar
to
councilor
shiners.
It's
not
it's
the
same
okay,
so
it
was
the
same
but
actually
I'm
going
to
just
say
a
few
things
about
that.
Then
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
councillors.
Bear
makers
and
I
believe
that
most
of
council
has
come
to
its
senses
and
that
this
item
should
just
be
killed
right
here
on
the
floor
of
Council.
So
it
should
not
go
back
to
committee.
F
So
if
you're
not
supporting
it
to
go
back
to
committee,
then
don't
go
forecaster
shiners
and
in
fact,
just
vote
against
the
entire
pilot
here
on
the
flora
council.
So
I
haven't
I.
Don't
remember,
first
of
all,
the
last
time
that
a
pilot
was
moved
on
a
floor
of
council
a
pilot
and
we
all
know
how
pilots
go
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
They
all
roll
out
because
nobody
wants
to
admit
they
were
wrong.
That's
government
for
you!
So
we
don't.
We
aren't
going
to
stand
up.
You're,
not
gonna,
get
a
politician.
F
Just
stand
up
and
say
yep
that
didn't
work.
We
use
your
taxpayer
dollars.
We
rolled
out
a
pilot
and
guess
what
we
got
a
whole
slew
of
problems
and
it
doesn't
work
so
you're
not
gonna,
see
that
little.
The
cost
of
the
pilot
is
not
even
before
us.
How
many
MLS
complaints
do
you
get
in
your
ward.
I
certainly
may
have
a
few
of
out
chickens,
but
I've
got
a
slew
of
complaints
on
other
issues.
F
I
know
Traci,
cook
and
I
know
where
MLS
staff
owned
a
Scarborough
running
their
behinds
off
trying
to
address
those
complaints,
let
alone
trying
to
address
complaints
on
chickens.
I
can
talk
to
the
cows,
come
home,
let
alone
chickens
about
the
issues
that
we
have
to
deal
with
before
Council
on
transit
gridlock,
we've
got
the
D
the
downtown
relief
line,
that's
completely
unfunded.
F
We've
got
major
major
issues
and
in
an
election
year
on
the
final
year
of
the
term
of
council,
we're
talking
about
chickens
this
morning,
I
wake
up
shouldn't
be
beside
my
bed,
but
it
is,
and
our
roll
over
first
thing
I
do
is
obviously
look
at
my
phone.
I've
got
two
complaints
for
my
residents.
Think.
Why
are
you
talking
about
chickens?
It
is
absolutely
insane
insane
we
have
to
come
to
our
senses
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
I,
come
from
farm
country.
That's
Chatham,
born
and
raised
my
mom's
on
a
firm.
F
Where
am
I
going
this
weekend
for
Thanksgiving
to
the
firm
and
guess
what
it's
crops?
They
don't
have
small
flocks,
because
guess
why
it's
expensive?
They
don't
have
backyard
chickens.
They
have
horses
that
they've
taken
as
rescue
from
the
declining
race
industry,
but
they
don't
have
backyard
chickens
for
a
whole
slew
of
reasons
that
we've
mentioned
already
here
today.
That's
infirm
country,
if
you
go
to
calydon
I've,
got
tons
of
friends
all
over
the
countryside
around
outside
of
Toronto
and
they
don't
have
backyard
chickens.
F
Why
cost
this
is
the
hobbyist
issue,
people
that
can
afford
it
like
councillor
Dee,
Chanos
parents?
They
are
doing
chickens,
they
may
do
them
in
their
backyards.
They
may
have
them,
but
you're
not
having
the
average
low
income
person
have
chickens
because
they
want
to
feed
their
family.
It
costs
forty
dollars
a
dozen
people,
forty
dollars
a
dozen,
that's
what
it
costs
to
run
chickens
in
your
backyard.
F
So
please
tell
me
why
you
would
ever
vote
for
a
pilot
and
cost
more
money
from
the
city
of
Toronto
from
MLS
on
a
pilot
which
we
don't
even
have
numbers
before
us
who
would
even
move
this
motion?
I
can't
I
just
can't
even
believe
it
so
I'm
gonna,
say
vote
down.
Counselors
counselors
hires
motion
kill
this
right
here
and
let's
get
to
serious
business
for
the
City
of
Toronto
and
the
residents.
This
is
ridiculous.
Thank.
A
Q
This
is
a
pilot
project
in
which
four
local
councillors
have
enough
interest
in
their
ward
that
they
are
willing
to
undergo
this
pilot.
To
be
the
counselor
who
agrees
to
host
a
pilot
is
extra
work.
It's
a
lot
of
extra
work,
so
I'm
grateful
to
the
four
counselors
that
actually
want
to
do
that
extra
work,
and
it
means
that,
if
I
support
this
pilot
today,
I
don't
have
to
talk
about
this,
except
for
when
the
report
comes
back
and
when
the
pilot
is
done
and
then
only
then
would
we
make
a
citywide
decision.
Q
Then
only
then
would
I
need
to
be
talking
to
everyone,
including
those
people
who
live
in
my
ward,
because
four
other
counselors
want
to
do
this.
There
is
a
three-year
pilot
going
on
right
now.
Counselor
Holland,
who
spoke
just
before
me,
is
one
of
the
hosts
and
counselor
DiGiorgio.
Who
will
speak
immediately
after
me?
Q
Is
the
third
host
the
participatory
budgeting
pilot
is
going
on
in
three
wards
right
now,
and
it
is
a
ton
of
work,
a
ton
of
work
for
our
staff,
but
we're
doing
it
because
you
want
to
find
out
if
something
that
is
labor
intensive,
something
that
does
have
to
engage
staff.
In
this
case,
the
the
PB
pilot
is
engaging
a
person
out
of
the
city
manager's
office,
but
you
want
to
find
out
in
some
contained
and
controlled
way,
whether
or
not
it's
worth
expanding
that
work
across
the
city.
Q
You
want
to
know
before
you're
cutting
the
big
check,
whether
or
not
there's
truly
benefit
to
the
city.
A
few
wanted
to
do
this,
a
few
all
over
town
we're
emailing
in
whether
well
it
was
while
I
was
chair
of
budget
and
on
and
on
to
this
day.
People
who
don't
know
about
the
pilot
from
all
of
your
wards
send
me
tweets,
because
they
know
what
I
know
about
PB
they
go
hey
counselor
did
you
know
this
was
going
on
in
Seattle.
Q
Did
you
know
this
was
going
on
in
this
city
and
that
city
in
that
city
chickens
is
no
different?
The
minute
councillor
Mavic
began
to
talk
about
this
years
ago,
because
other
cities
were
doing
it.
He
began
to
be
the
repository
so
to
speak.
Torontonians
who
were
interested
in
doing
reach
out
and
say:
hey,
did
you
know
they're
now
doing
it
in
this
major
city?
Did
you
know
they're
now
doing
it
in
that
major
city?
We
don't
know
what
that
means
to
Toronto.
We
are
a
different
train
we
do
have.
Q
Q
But
there
are
enough
torrent
onehans
that
want
this
to
be
allowed,
that
it
really
does
behoove
us
to
try
it
somewhere,
where
there
is
a
willing
partner
to
this
pilot.
Why
would
you
not
have
them?
Try
it
file
it
under
forget
in
your
own
area
file
it
under
forget
until
the
interim
report
comes
back
because
you
really
can,
but
in
those
warts.
If
this
consultation
motion
had
said,
let's
consult
in
those
words,
I'd
have
been
for
it.
Q
In
those
words
that
are
willing
to
have
the
pilot
we're
going
to
get
the
information,
we
need
to
lay
this
issue
to
rest
once
and
for
all,
but
during
that
time,
why
would
you
hold
this
back
and
have
a
citywide
consultation
that
simply
simply
confuses
the
issue
and
to
use
another
animal
reference,
puts
the
cat
among
the
pigeons
in
places
it
doesn't
need
to
be
I'm.
Grateful
to
these
four
partners
go
your
best
lick
I
will
support
your
pilot
and
I
will
I
will
be
happily
unaware
until
the
report
comes
back.
M
M
The
primary
reason
we
should
entertain
going
through
the
pilots
is
because
the
zoning
bylaw
permits,
hobbies
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
experienced
hobbies
over
the
last
20
25
years
that
set
up
or
that
residential
people
are
allowed
to
to
do.
I
ran
into
the
pigeon
problem
over
20
years
ago,
where
people
were
keeping
pigeons
in
their
back
yard,
but
we
made
we
made
regulations.
M
That
said
at
the
time,
this
is
in
the
mid,
90s
and
early
90s
that
only
people
who
had
the
hobby
of
keeping
racing
pigeons
in
their
backyard
and
we
put
in
controls
on
the
number
of
racing
pigeons
they
could
permit
in
their
backyard.
I
was
not
in
favor
of
pigeons,
but
notwithstanding
that,
we
were
able
to
look
at
the
zoning
bylaw
that
permitted
them
and
put
in
additional
regulations
to
try
and
control.
M
Let
me
also
say
and
forget
about
the
myth
that
there
might
be
a
possibility
that
more
and
more
wards
would
allow
this
to
happen,
because
I
can
tell
you
that
one
of
the
things
that
you're
one
of
the
people
in
the
wards
that
the
majority
of
people
don't
want
chickens.
You
can
always
say
look
by
the
way,
if
you
really
want
to
keep
chickens
in
your
backyard.
I
can
refer
you
to
four
wards
where
they're
permitted,
and
maybe
you
might
want
to
move
to
those
words.
M
Think,
madam
chair
I,
you
know
the
latest
the
latest
hobby
that
I'm
privy
to
in
my
ward
is
that
people
use
their
garages
to
do
obnoxious
uses
like,
for
example,
paint
cars
and
they
they
basically
run
a
business,
but
the
reality
is,
they
can
say.
Look
this
is
a
hobby
I
work
on.
Only
a
select
number
of
cars,
primarily
for
personal
use.
I've
got
somebody
in
a
garage
that
produces
meat
that
says
hey.
We
only
consume
it
within
our
own
family
reality
is
they're
producing
sausages
and
what-have-you
and
they're
actually
selling
them.
M
So
again,
the
purpose
is
to
come
up
with
I,
don't
know,
I've
been
after
Tracy
cook
for
four
years.
We
have
to
put
in
controls
that,
if
uses
are
permitted,
we
need
to
sort
of
try
and
control
them,
because
otherwise,
if
you
don't
go
through
the,
if
you
don't
go
through
the
the
pilot
project,
the
reality
is
that
people
will
just
put
chickens
in
their
backyard,
because
it's
a
permitted
hobby
and
you're
gonna
start
you're
gonna,
basically
expend
a
lot
of
resources
to
try
and
deal
with
uses
that
are
theoretically
legal
under
the
zoning
bylaw.
D
D
The
second
reset
the
reason
they've
stated
in
the
report
very
clearly
for
counsel
to
read
it's
public
nuisance
impact
on
neighborhoods
and
the
third
reason
is
animal
welfare.
I'm.
Gonna,
repeat
those
staff
are
not
recommending
this.
For
these
three
reasons:
Public
Health
and
Safety,
public
nuisance
and
animal
welfare.
It
says
it
all
period.
We
should
not
be
entertaining
this
for
a
second.
D
What
I
find
what
I
found
out
when
I
did
research
on
this
is
that
the
most
complained
about
animal
on
Toronto's,
prohibited
animal
list
for
smell
and
noise,
attracting
raccoons
and
rodents
hens
lay
eggs
for
only
two
to
five
years
and
then
what
happens:
they're
abandoned
or
they're
in
humanely
slaughtered
in
backyards,
and
then
what
happens
with
the
remanence
I
got
emails
about
that
this
morning
the
shelters
are
overloaded.
Staff
are
overloaded
with
unwanted
chickens.
D
There
is
accidental
rooster
acquisition
at
young
age
at
a
young
age
and
again
those
roosters
go
to
shelters,
they're
abandoned
or
killed.
There
is
a
lack
of
financial
counsellor.
Hollen
talked
about
this,
a
lack
of
financial
and
information
resources.
People
do
not
know
enough
about
raising
chickens
properly,
resulting
in
mistreatment
and
abandonment.
I,
don't
know
if
you
knew
this
but
they're
very
susceptible
to
frostbite.
There's
many
technicalities
around
this
issue.
Humane
Society
recommends
that
we
leave
it
to
the
professionals
who
have
the
proper
training,
knowledge
and
experience
in
chicken
care.
D
So
I
hope
that
council
will
not
support
this
for
the
chickens.
I,
don't
think
this
is
appropriate.
I'm,
a
fan
of
I'm,
a
fan
of
urban
agriculture,
but
I'm.
Not
a
fan
of
this
idea
and
I
would
like
to
say
this
that
this
term
of
council
we've
been
saying
yes
to
every
pet
project,
no
pet,
no
pun
intended.
We
say
yes
to
everything
and
we
continue
to
put
strain
it's
and
strain
on
our
staff
teams
and
stress
stretch
their
staff
resources.
It's
a
major
problem
and
we
continue
to
say
yes.
D
Yes,
yes,
yes,
yes
and
let's
spend
more.
Let's
spend
more
well,
staff
have
had
it
and
they've
said
no
to
this,
for
three
really
good
reasons,
really
important
reasons
that
we
listen
need
to
listen
to
as
a
council,
and
they
don't
have
the
resources
to
get
out
to
these
neighbors.
To
address
these
issues
I
think,
last
year
there
was
over
a
hundred
chicken
calls
and
staff
how
to
get
out
there
to
address
them.
R
R
My
roads
are
a
mess,
I
have
weeds
growing
out
of
our
yin-yang
in
Ward,
7
I
can't
get
staff
out
to
do
anything,
but
here
we
like
to
squawk
we'd
like
to
squawk
like
the
chickens
that
we're
talking
about
and
I
for
one
I'm
going
to
fly
the
coop
on
this
vote,
I'm
going
to
fly
the
coop
in
protest,
because
this
place
is
getting
absolutely
ridiculous.
It's
getting
to
a
point
where
we
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
more
important
than
substantial
issues,
because
we're
too
afraid
to
deal
with
them.
R
We're
spending
more
money
regularly
at
City
Hall
we're
doing
what
we
shouldn't
be
doing
right
now.
What
we
should
be
doing
is
saying:
how
do
we
cut?
How
do
we
deal
with
our
over
growing
budget?
How
do
we
deal
with
the
fact
that
we're
spending
another
billion
dollars
more
than
we
did
last
term
of
office
to
do
what
to
bring
out
a
few
more
inspectors
to
three
or
four
wards?
They
want
the
damn
chickens.
R
G
A
H
Moment
of
silence
get
the
tension
up.
Madam
Speaker,
this
is
ridiculous.
It's
government
at
its
worst
I'm,
going
to
do
this
in
30
seconds,
I,
guess,
16
more,
we
haven't
defined
the
number
of
participants.
We
haven't
defined
the
the
actual
fees
that
might
be
involved.
We
don't
know
how
many
MLS
staff
we
need.
Are
you
crazy?
This
is
why
people
laugh
at
Council.
We
make
decisions
when
we
don't
even
have
the
information
give
your
heads
of
shake.
H
P
P
So
the
key
there
was
to
monitor
I
know
that
some
members
of
council
who
are
requesting
the
pilot
they're
very
thoughtful
they're,
well-intentioned,
mainly
cancer
of
the
channel,
who
has
taken
the
time
to
go
around
and
talk
to
members
of
council
and
to
share
his
experience
and
his
interest
on
it.
I
know
he's
passionate
about
it
and
I
commend
him
for
that
now,
I'm
getting
a
number
of
calls
from
a
young
world
that
I
want
my
world
to
be
added
on
to
the
pilot
list.
P
In
yesterday,
Mercer
Council,
we
hear
from
city
staff
during
the
question
period
about
some
of
the
concerns
and
we
were
talking
about
specifically
on
chapter
3
4349
that
prohibits
all
domestic
birds
like
chickens,
turkeys,
pigeons,
flamingos
in
penguins
and
I.
Think
that
part
of
the
discussion
that
we
had
in
the
first
now
as
a
result
of
that,
is
very
clear
that
there
is
no
criteria
in
place.
There
is
no
guidelines
in
place
for
MLS
to
monitor
anything
at
this
point.
P
Some
members
of
council,
like
castle
Holland
hazard
Robinson.
They
have
spoken
about
the
negatives
whatever
else
in
terms
of
other
pigeons
of
the
EM,
the
chickens
I'm
going
to
concentrate
on
something
more
essential,
more
important
that
we
should
be
more
concerned
about
that,
and
naturally
they
speaker
councilman
Sierra
yesterday
asked
a
very
valid
question
to
see
this
tab
in
terms
of
community
consultation.
P
P
The
bottom
line
is
that
city
staff-
they
are
not
really
recommending
anything
about
this,
what's
being
asked
from
them
in
the
report
and
I
do
value
and
respect
the
professional
opinion.
In
advice,
therefore,
I
am
concerned
with
some
aspects
as
we
move
forward.
In
terms
of
that
it
to
be
totally
wrong
to
proceed
without
community
consultation,
the
public
has
not
been,
we
haven't,
given
them
a
public
notice,
they
haven't
been
consulted.
P
When
I'm
talking
about
fairness,
I'm
talking
also
about
the
silent
majority
out
there,
they
haven't
been
consulted
at
all,
people
have
to
be
part
of
decision-making
is
wrong,
just
simply
to
move
motions
on
applying
on
the
floor
of
counsel,
as
we
did
during
the
taxi
industry
review
that
ended
us
ended.
The
city
ended
this
council
in
court
and
we
lost.
We
have
to
go
back
to
the
committee,
I'm,
not
afraid
of
as
chair
of
the
committee,
to
engage
with
five
hundred
and
thousand
people
who
want
to
the
pewte.
E
A
E
H
G
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
If
the
clerk's
could
put
my
motion
on
the
screen
I,
madam
Speaker
I
am
just
asking
my
colleagues
on
council
to
support
the
staff
recommendation,
so
my
motion
is
to
delete
the
striking
committee
recommendations
and
go
back
to
the
staff
recommendations
which
were
created
by
the
clerk's
office
in
terms
of
the
schedule
next
year.
I
think
the
bone
of
contention
is
the
staff
it.
G
Through
me,
madam
speaker,
the
staff
put
forward
a
schedule
of
meetings
that
would
end
at
the
end
of
July
up
until
nomination
date.
This
council
has
never
by
practice,
met
after
nomination
date.
There
is
a
recommendation
from
the
striking
committee
to
have
us
work
through
all
the
committee
meetings.
All
of
council
meetings
till
the
very
end
of
August
during
the
nomination
period.
I
agree
with
the
staff.
I,
don't
think
that's
appropriate
I,
don't
think
it
should
happen.
So
I'm
just
asking
us
as
a
council
not
to
work
through
all
of
the
meetings.
G
Every
single
committee
meeting
in
the
month
of
August
to
the
council
meeting
in
the
month
of
August
when
we're
in
campaign
mode.
When
we
have
an
opportunity
that
other
people
don't
we
can
stand
up,
and
maybe
somebody
might
accuse
us
of
standing
or
taking
advantage
of
the
free
publicity
or
the
free
profile
that
this
gives
us.
But
when
the
nomination
period
starts
and
then
with
the
provincial
legislation,
we
should
do
as
the
clerk's
office
recommended
and
end
our
meetings
at
the
end
of
July
and
so
again,
I'm
just
moving
the
staff
recommendations.
G
I,
don't
think
we
should
meeting
be
meeting
in
the
month
of
August
while
we
are
at
the
same
time
campaigning.
We
don't
do
it
in
September
in
October.
We
all
know
where
we're
gonna
be
in
September
and
October
will
be
doing.
Double-Duty
will
be
doing
irregular
council
activities
and
representing
people
as
councillors
and
we'll
be
out
canvassing
every
single
day.
I.
G
Don't
think
that
we
should
be
doing
council
meetings
and
committee
meetings
in
the
month
of
August
as
well
so
I'm
just
asking
my
colleagues
on
this
council
to
go
back
to
the
staff
recommendation
so
that
there
are
no
committee
or
council
meetings
in
the
month
of
August
as
per
the
staff
recommendation.
Thank
you.
G
Madam
Speaker,
sorry
I,
just
I
forgot
one
thing:
I
I
just
want
to
add
as
well.
The
mayor
has
the
ability,
if
there
is
any
need
during
an
election
campaign
period,
to
call
a
council
meeting.
So
if
there
is
some
urgent
item
or
some
emergency,
the
mayor
in
his
wisdom,
can
call
a
meeting
so
I'm
not
worried
about
not
having
meetings
in
August
or
September
or
October.
We
have
the
ability
to
do
that,
but
again
so
I'm,
just
going
back
to
staff
recommendation.
Thank
you.
A
S
S
Exactly
so
as
you,
as
you
can
see
here,
Oh
in
the
overhead,
maybe
if
I
can
get
eyeties
attention
and
turn
on
this
overhead
and
flash
this
page
up
on
that
screen
there.
It
is
you
see
here
the
month
of
February,
our
special
City
Council
meeting
starts
on
a
Monday,
so
what
my
motion
would
do
is
just
simply
move
it
over
here
to
start
on
a
Tuesday,
and
then
you
have
three
full
days.
Basically
that
are
clear
to
deal
with
that.
S
The
final
parts
of
the
motion
is
here
in
July
and
again
you
have
a
city
council
meeting,
starting
on
a
Monday
and
historically,
we've
always
either
started
on
a
Tuesday
or
Wednesday,
and
my
motion
would
again
move
it
to
the
start
on
the
24th,
and
you
have
three
clear
days
to
have
the
thing.
Why
do
I
do
that
speaker?
S
Why
do
I?
Why
do
I?
Do
that
speaker,
I'll,
tell
you
why
I
do
that
speaker,
because
we
have
a
tradition
here
of
starting
our
meetings
on
the
Tuesday
and
Wednesday,
so
that
when
you
have
had
an
opportunity
to
review
your
agenda,
you
that
Monday
to
be
able
to
call
staff
to
be
able
to
work
with
your
staff
on
preparing
motions,
reviewing
reports
getting
down
to
the
nitty
gritty
getting
down
to
the
details
of
what's
in
the
agenda,
and
it
gives
us
that
clear
day
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Work.
S
So
so
the
motion
starts
the
meetings
on
a
Tuesday
and
and
and
basically
it
maintains
the
tradition
that
we
have
had
here
to
be
be
able
to
give
people
that
that
thoughtful
review
and
that's
why
I
move
the
motion.
That's
before
you
today,
speaker
and
I'm,
hoping
that
people
will
consider
that
thoughtfully.
Thank
you.
B
S
I
did
in
fact
the
clerk's
worked
on
me
on
the
agenda
with
me
and
I.
Think
and
I.
Don't
know
the
reason
why
they're
there
on
a
Monday
I
wasn't
given
a
I,
wasn't
given
a
thoughtful
reason
why
they
would
be
on
a
Monday
but
I
think
it's
it's
just
sort
of
being
overly
conservative
and
leaving
enough
days
sort
of
you
know
at
the
back
end
in
case
the
meetings
go
longer
than
two
three
and
four
days
when
I
I.
B
S
B
The
other
two,
my
question
is:
do
you
have
something
against
the
the
Easter
long
weekend?
Would
you
prefer
that
we
only
take
three
days
instead
of
four,
because
the
proposal
you've
made
means
the
fourth
holdover
day
is
actually
Good
Friday,
and
so,
if
you
prefer
to
work
that
day,
I'm
quite
happy
to
come
in
and.
S
R
S
March
in
March
they
have
a
council
meeting
that
starts
on
a
Monday
goes
to
Tuesday
goes
to
Wednesday.
The
Thursday
is
clear
so
that
so,
if
you
moved
it
to
the
Tuesday,
you
still
have
three
full
days
of
council
like
we
never
ever
go
forth
today
and
if
we
do
go
for
a
day
we,
but
when
every
done
that
14-play
somebody
stand
up
and
tell
me
when
we've
come
back
there.
Fourth
day,
I.
Q
I'm
just
I'm,
following
on
counselor
late,
this
question
I'm
wondering
if
in
your
research
you
were
made
aware
or
lack
thereof.
Yes,
it
actually
is
the
preference
of
City
Clerk's
as
I
understand
it
to
start
on
Tuesdays.
Were
you
made
aware
that
they
only
recommend
starting
on
Mondays
when
they
have
to,
because
for
their
own
administrative
purposes,
Tuesdays
are
preferable?
Meeting
our
needs
is
why
they
choose
speaker.
S
Speaker,
you
don't
have
to
be
a
rocket
scientist
to
understand
a
calendar
right
and
I.
Don't
know
the
depth
of
research
that
one
would
require
to
do
here's
what
what
the
calendar
says
in
February,
our
special
council
meeting
there's
two
days
allocated.
It
starts
on
a
Monday,
so
it's
a
1213
and
then
there
are
two
clear
days:
the
Wednesday
and
Thursday.
After
that
we've
never
ever
gone
to
four
days
on
a
budget.
S
Just
simply
the
the
way
the
budget
is
approved
doesn't
allow
you,
even
if
every
single
member
of
council
took
their
five
minutes
to
speak
to
the
Capitol
to
the
operating.
If
they
took
all
their
five
minutes
and
ask
questions,
you
wouldn't
go
to
a
third
day.
We've
never
done
that,
but
there's
a
not
only
a
third
but
a
fourth
day
that
has
been
allocated
to
that
totally
unnecessary.
There
is
no
reason
why
that
meeting
from
February
can't
start
on
the
Tuesday,
so
that
councillors
have
an
opportunity
to
engage
staff,
engage
their
own
staffs
adequately.
S
Prepare
follow-up,
prepare
their
motions.
Their
amendments
do
the
research
that
is
required.
The
in-depth
research
that
you're
talking
about
so
that
you
come
here
better
prepared
and
better
able
to
participate
in
the
in
the
in
the
meeting.
So
no
reason
to
do
that.
If
you're
just
standing
up
there
to
make
a
silly
point,
then
then,
please
by
all
means
so.
Q
B
Q
So
I
will
just
go
on
to
my
follow-up
question,
because
I
can
in
fact
read
a
calendar.
What
I'm
asking
I
guess
if
I
wanted
to
really
boil
it
down
to
its
essence,
is
in
adjusting
the
calendar.
Did
you
take
into
account
the
needs
of
anyone
other
than
yourself
and
councillors?
Did
you
take
into
account
any
staff
at
all
and
what
their
needs
might
be
and
what
their
other
demands
might
be
in
proposing
your
changes?
First.
S
S
She
is
in
no
way
in
no
way
in
no
way
are
her
questions
frivolous
in
any
way,
but
on
the
second
part
of
her
question,
did
I
consult
it's
precisely
with
staff
in
mind
and
with
the
counselors
in
mind
that
I
make
these
motions
so
that
people
hear
the
counselors
have
an
opportunity
to
have
a
day
where
they
can
thoughtfully
reflect
and
do
the
work
that
you
need
to
do
to
come
here
prepared.
You
come
here
from
a
Sunday
evening.
You've
had
a
week
and
you've
gone
through
your
agenda.
S
You
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
your
staff
because
they
may
not
be
around.
First
of
all.
You've
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
our
staff
here
and
to
do
that
thoughtful
reflection
so
that
you
come
here
as
prepared
as
you
can
be,
to
participate
fully.
It's
with
those
people
in
mind
and
with
counselors
in
mind
that
I
make
these
motions
counselor.
Okay,.
E
You
very
much
speaker,
I'm
gonna,
take
just
a
moment
to
speak
about
the
motion
that
counselor
to
bear
maker
made
for
those
of
you
who
don't
recall.
We
had
an
initial
proposal
for
staff
that
we
stopped
all
of
our
business
in
July
until
the
election.
A
striking
committee,
deputy
mayor,
Minh
and
Wong
said
wait
a
minute
that
creates
a
six-month
gap
with
no
council
meetings
and
we
should
have
one
after
that
they
towards
the
end
of
summer.
E
Just
you
know,
for
those
of
you
who
maybe
this
is
your
first
term
we've
always
had
a
meeting
in
the
fall.
Always
it's
just
that
the
election
timing
when
you
file
your
papers
is
different
this
year
and
because
of
that,
the
clerk
recommended
that
we,
you
know,
shift
around
and
not
have
that
later
meeting.
I
just
want
to
remind
you
all
we're
elected
for
a
four-year
term,
not
a
three
and
a
half
year
term.
We
have
planning
applications.
We
have
city
business
of
all
kinds
that
needs
to
be
conducted
by
us.
E
I
have
the
greatest
respect
for
the
city
manager
and
his
team,
but
I
don't
think
people
voted
for
us
to
hand
over
half
of
one
of
the
four
years
that
were
elected
to
the
city
manager
and,
let's
just
let
him
govern
in
our
stead.
We
always
have
that
later
meeting
after
the
summer,
so
I'm
afraid
I
can't
support
councillor
to
bear
maker
I'm
going
to
be
supporting,
and
you
know,
write
these
words
down.
I'm
gonna
be
supporting
deputy
mayor
and
Long's
idea.
R
R
Maybe
even
in
one
day
we
can
achieve
a
council
meeting
and
that's
why
I
move
it.
That's
why
I
move
it.
I
know:
council,
perks,
you
and
I
just
do
not
get
along
and
that's
fine
and
that's
absolutely
fine.
We
see
each
other,
that's
each
other's
issues
on
a
different
level,
including
this
one
I
believe
this
council
should
be
cut
in
half,
and
this
motion-
and
this
topic
proves
that
I'm
right,
because
now
we're
talking
about
what
suits
our
needs
with
respect
to
three
or
four
days
of
debate
during
an
election
year.
R
When
my
parks
are
not
that's
it
upstair
not
gonna,
keep
saying
it
my
roads,
my
parks
might
might
my
playgrounds.
We
want
to
spend
two
billion
dollars
or
three
billion
dollars
on
another
Park
in
the
downtown
part
of
the
city.
Let's
get
to
the
real
substantial
issues
and
deal
what
people
really
want
us
to
deal
with.
Instead
of
these
these
these
these
cockamamie
ideas
that
come
forward
with
respect
to
this
we're
wasting
everybody's
time
here,
okay,.
H
S
K
A
Item
as
amended
recorded
vote,
or
do
we
have
to
have
a
recorded
vote
no
on
favor
carry
all
right.
My
next
item
on
page
3
is
ey.
Twenty
three,
seventy
three,
twenty
five!
Twenty
to
twenty
five,
forty,
two
Keele
Street.
Do
we
have
it's
here
with
our
recommendations?
Do
we
have
questions
to
staff?
Why
is
everybody
getting
up
and
leaving.
L
M
A
Q
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
and
this
item
was
before
community
council.
So
there
was
really
we
didn't.
We
didn't
have
because
it's
it's
it's
somewhat
unusual
in
in
the
suburban
service
district,
we
didn't
have
all
the
expertise
we
needed
to
understand
precedent.
So
the
question
is
for
this:
for
this
boulevard
parking
allowance.
There
is
the
issue
in
the
report
of
how
many
were
allowed
and
then
how
not
my
questions
are
primarily
around
the
feasts.
What
precedent
do
we
have
with
respect
to
waving
commercial
Boulevard
fees?
Q
E
D
Q
Q
So,
whether
it's
so
whether
it's
a
childcare
or
it's
a
Starbucks,
if
you
want
to
do
that,
first
of
all,
you
have
to
pay
for
the
fact
that
you
got
to
have
ramped
up
to
to
the
parking
spot,
and
then
you
have
to
pay
for
the
privilege
of
having
it
there
in
that
anomalous
fashion.
Thereafter,
four
hundred
and
thirty
dollars
a
year
for
as
long
as
it's
there
without
a
curbstone,
correct.
Okay,
those
are
my
questions.
Madam
Speaker.
O
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I
think
mine
would
be
to
the
city
manager
when
we
look
at
general
policies
of
helping
either
social
procurement
or
or
commerce
below
market
rent
tax
forgiveness
subsidies
at
rebates
before
those
policies
were
brought
into
place
when
we
first
brought
them
in.
Wouldn't
that
be
what
could
you
consider
those
to
be
precedents?
Yes,.
A
O
Thank
you.
A
madam
Speaker
I
have
a
motion
to
if
the
clerk
could
put
it
on
the
screen,
and
this
is
giving
this
organization
a
little
bit
of
a
break
on
the
parking
fees.
This
is
a
vital
community
asset
along
Bathurst
Street.
It
meets
one
of
the
city's
major
priorities
when
it
comes
to
expanding
daycare.
This
will
grow
from
twenty
three
spots
to
fifty
two
spots.
It's
undergoing
a
major
renovation
with
contributions
by
the
federal
government.
O
This
this
building
has
been
legal
non-conforming
for
65
years,
and
the
issue
of
parking
fees
has
never
never
come
up
in
the
past.
Moreover,
when
you
look
at
the
encroachment
on
city
property,
it
represents
about
10%
of
the
actual
parking.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
as
I
said
in
my
questions
below
market
rent
tax
forgiveness,
tax
rebate
subsidies,
those
kind
of
policies
that
we
have
to
help
build
our
inventory
of
childcare
spaces
to
help
social
procurements
and
to
help
commerce
flourish
where
at
one
time
innovative
and
they
they
came
forward
as
precedents.
O
O
This
is
a
small
amount
of
money,
but
to
this
organization
it
is
crucial
to
make
sure
that
these
spots
open
on
time
that
are
fully
accessible
to
the
community
and,
at
the
same
time
it's
its
opportunity.
Loss
for
the
city
is
minimal
because,
in
fact,
we're
getting
we're
getting
people
back
into
the
workforce
being
able
to
walk
their
kids
to
this
organization
to
leave
their
kids
there.
It's
a
community
based
daycare,
the
need
for
parking
is
minimal.
The
parking
requirements
in
our
bylaws
is
actually
quite
quite
onerous
for
daycare.
O
The
whole
idea
of
daycare
is
to
drop
your
your
son
or
daughter
off
and
then
leave
you.
Don't
you
don't
leave
your
car
there
all
day
long.
Many
of
the
staff
working
at
this
daycare
center
are
within
walking
distance.
They
live
in
the
local
community,
they
will
not
be
need
parking
spots
and,
as
I
mentioned,
the
encroachment
on
city
property
there's
only
10
percent
of
the
parking
area,
but
of
course
the
city
is
asking
for
a
hundred
percent
of
the
parking
fee.
O
Therefore,
I
am
simply
asking
that
we,
we
encourage
the
growth
of
our
daycare
inventory,
that
we
help
promote
social
procurement
and
we
help
organizations
in
our
local
communities
make
sure
that
they
they
can
serve
the
city
as
a
whole,
as
well
as
their
local
neighbors.
So
this
is
based
on
many
of
the
below
market
rents
and
subsidies
and
interest-free
loans
that
the
city
given
has
given
out
over
the
years
to
various
organizations,
including
private
sector
organizations,
profit-making
organizations,
charitable
organizations.
A
O
O
O
Q
You,
madam
Speaker,
madam
Speaker,
you
may
wonder
why
this
is
even
before
you.
This
is
a
matter
of
delegated
authority
and
it
was
I'll,
be
moving
the
staff
recommendations.
Yes,
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you.
The
staff
recommendation
that
was
before
us
the
staff
report
asking
us
to
allow
this
Boulevard
parking,
because
we
have
to
do
that
when
any
time
we're
going
to
do
this.
Q
We
have
to
allow
it,
but
when
we
allow
it,
this
is
an
anomalous
situation
because
we
don't
like
to
have
commercial
Boulevard
parking
where
we
do
we
charge
for
it,
because
it
has
an
impact,
has
impacts
on
not
and
snow
removal.
Therefore,
thereafter
an
enforcement
thereafter,
it's
a
costly
endeavor
to
allow
this
anomalous
type
of
parking.
We
do
it
under
permit
and
under
delegated
authority.
North
York
community
council
couldn't
make
a
decision.
We
didn't
have
the
information
that
I
just
asked
miss
gray.
Q
We
all
had
a
place
in
our
hearts
for
the
uses
inside
this
facility.
We
all
have
a
place
in
our
hearts,
for
child
care
have
been
knows.
As
a
former
child
care
operator,
I
perhaps
have
the
biggest
in
the
room.
That
being
said,
I
still
need
to
know
before
I
actually
allow
not
a
development
charge
break,
not
not
a
DC
credit
or
some
one
off
cost
reduction
before
I
allow
an
ongoing
reduction
in
an
ongoing
permit
fee.
That
is
meant
to
be
collect
on
an
annual
basis.
Q
But
what
should
be
a
part
of
an
operating
pro
forma?
For
anyone
asking
for
this
type
of
anomalous
permission
to
have
commercial
Boulevard
parking
I've
got
a
no
precedent.
I've
got
to
make
a
reasoned
decision
and
what
we
learned
here
in
this
chamber
staff
advice.
We
didn't
have
that
because
wasn't
in
the
report,
they
didn't
think
they
needed
it
to
be.
But
what
you
just
heard
from
Miss
gray
is.
There
is
no
precedent
for
this.
Q
We
don't
allow
a
discount
here
where
we
help
out
such
endeavors,
as
will
happen
inside
this
building
or
in
such
things
as
below
market
rent.
We
have
a
program
for
that
and
we
have
a
cost
recovery
calculation
for
that
where
we
do
below
market
rent
people
think
create
it's
free.
It's
far
from
free
below
market
rent
can
be
sometimes
quite
costly
because
it
is
designed
to
exactly
recover
costs
so
to
commercial
boulevard.
Q
Parking
fees
meant
to
be
paid
four
hundred
and
thirty
dollars
a
spot
every
year
thereafter,
and
as
much
as
we
all
love
the
little
children
and
as
much
as
we
all
love
childcare.
That
is
not
the
reason.
We're
charging
the
fee
here,
we're
charging
the
fee
to
recover
costs
and
you
get
funding.
This
facility
got
a
great
deal
of
federal
funding.
The
project
almost
didn't
happen,
and
then
it
was
awarded
some
lovely
federal
funding
to
make
the
whole
project
a
reality.
Q
The
city's
job,
then,
is
to
say
great
you're
gonna
build
your
facility,
you're
gonna
fit
all
these
uses
in.
We
have
to
make
sure
it
works
in
the
community
and
that
it
doesn't
then,
because
another
level
of
government
gave
you
money.
It
can't
then
begin
to
cost
us
money
day
after
day
after
day.
That's
why
to
help
a
facility
like
this.
We
help
them
in
the
ways
that
we
can,
through
our
below
market
rent
program
through
DC
credits.
Q
You
know,
and
and
such
the
like,
but
we
don't
cause
ourself
to
then
incur
an
annual
cost
for
as
long
as
that
facility
sits
on
that
site.
That's
why
there
is
no
precedent
for
this,
and
it's
why
your
best
bet
my
fellow
councillors,
is
to
adopt
the
staff
recommendation
today,
as
we
were
unable
to
in
North
York
Community
Council.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
A
A
E
E
A
A
G
K
E
D
E
E
E
E
There,
as
with
every
issue
of
this
kind,
there
are,
there
are
think
tanks
on
both
sides
of
it,
and
there
are
experiences
from
other
jurisdictions
as
well.
I
have
I
could
refer
you
to
some
of
that.
It
would
take
me
a
little
bit
of
research,
but
it
has
been.
There
have
been
many
economists
that
I
said
that
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
there
have
been
some
economists
that
say
that
point
in
a
different
direction.
So.
D
E
D
A
A
A
A
J
Madam
Speaker
I
am
not
too
sure
who
the
right
staff
person
would
be
I
just
want
to
know.
If
this
motion
passes
particularly
the
section
a
does
that
mean
that
if
at
a
at
a
Civic
Center,
if
you
were
to
hold
an
event
remembering
a
genocide
or
a
massacre,
it
has
to
be
one
of
those
that's
listed
by
the
federal
government
acknowledged
by
the
federal
government.
I
J
L
J
I
J
J
J
J
J
I
J
So
what
what
is
the
rationale
for
for,
depending
on
the
federal
jurisdiction
for
us
to
figure
out
if
something
needs
to
be
recognized
or
not,
because
I've
seen
here
that
we've
just
passed
the
motion
that
deals
with
the
provincial
issue
that
the
councillors
want
to
support
there
are
there
are
there
are
genocides
that
I've
started
from
municipal
level
and
then
got
recognized
at
federal
level?
So,
can
you
tell
us
why
we
have
decided
to
go
this
road.
I
These
motions
pose
a
very
difficult
situation
on
the
floor
of
Council
and
in
the
communities.
The
federal
government
is
the
most
appropriate
authority
on
matters
of
global
affairs
in
this
country.
Foreign,
Affairs
policies
and
and
those
priorities
fall
within
federal
jurisdiction
and
Parliament
considers
those
matters.
I
J
I
This
is
a
matter
which
clearly
falls
within
the
federal
jurisdiction
they
have
guidelines.
The
difficulty
we've
had
at
Council
and
of
staff
is
that
there
are
currently
no
guidelines
in
place.
The
federal
government
does
have
these
and
they
assist
in
in
answering
the
questions
that
council
always
has
when
it
deals
with
these
matters.
Thank.
L
You,
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
staff
you've,
said
that
the
federal
government
Parliament
has
guidelines.
Would
you
be
surprised
if
I
were
to
tell
you
that
they
don't?
Would
you
be
surprised
if
I
told
you
that
in
2004
the
Armenian
Genocide
there
was
a
motion
on
the
floor
in
the
House
of
Commons
against
the
wishes
of
the
government
of
the
day
and
it
was
passed,
they
don't
have
they
didn't
have
any
regulations?
Would
you
be
surprised
I?
Was
there
I
moved
the
motion
forward.
I
I
L
L
L
P
L
L
R
L
A
A
A
A
L
This
this
chamber
last
year
passed
the
points
in
genocide
and
we
all
decided
which
way
to
go
now,
I
understand,
because
we
had
a
report
that
you
requested.
How
would
this
change
what
happened
last
year
to
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future?
Why
do
we
have
a
report
that
chuckles
us
and
puts
us
in
a
bind
in
decision
that
this
body
needs
to
make.
L
You
threw
the
chair
to
you.
That
matter
is
indeed
in
front
of
the
Senate.
However,
that
was
passed
here.
Why
should
in
the
future?
If
somebody
wants
to
bring
something
here,
anything
changes,
and
why
do
we
particularly
close
in
on
this-
and
we
do
not
have
other
motions
with
other
stuff,
that
the
federal
government
of
the
provincial
government
is
doing
and
we
make
motions
here,
given
them
directions
on
what
we
want?
What
is
their
difference
between
those
motions
that
we
do
here
and
this
motion,
though,
that
we
are
this
particular
item
this.
N
You
very
much
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
to
our
staff.
I
recognize
that
the
report
is
is
trying
to
help
us
define
genocide
and
Massacre,
or
at
least
try
to
just
to
determine
some
parameters
on
how
you
would
recognize
events
as
a
genocide
or
a
massacre.
Can
you
tell
me
the
difference
between
a
genocide
and
a
massacre.
I
Genocide
actually
has
a
legal
definition
under
both
federal
and
international
law.
The
term
Massacre
does
not,
and
the
United
States
office
on
genocide,
prevention
and
the
responsibility
to
protect,
which
is
a
body
that
advises
on
the
risks
of
human
rights
violations,
recommends
that
bodies
use
the
term
genocide
only
where
a
legal
determination
has
been
made
by
a
mandated
judicial
body
and.
N
N
N
I
N
There's
been,
there's
been
some
discussion
about
world
events
as
a
as
a
massacres
and
genocides
only
take
place
overseas
and
abroad.
How
does
the
the
cultural
genocide
committed
against
indigenous
people
through
the
60s
scoop
the
residential
school
program?
Colonization?
How
do
we
fit
that
into
the
the
sort
of
neat
and
tidy
discussion
box
that
we're
trying
to
create
here.
I
That
that
was
actually
determined
within
the
realm
of
the
Aboriginal
Affairs
Committee
in
2015,
when
council
identified
eight
calls
to
action
from
the
Truth
and
Reconciliation
commissions
report
as
priorities
for
implementation.
One
of
these
actions
included
number
82
dealing
with
commemoration.
The
report's
recommendations
do
not
replace
or
contravene
this
commitment
further.
The
report
does
not
exclude
commemorating
events
of
significance
to
indigenous
peoples.
All
requests
would
be
considered
in
a
similar
manner,
so.
N
Therefore,
under
the
TRC
recommendations
number
82,
what
would
what
would
be?
What
would
be
before
us
would
still
be
procedurally
correct
is
that
there
could
be-
or
at
least
they
suggested,
or
they
stated
that
there
is
a
cultural
genocide
committed
against
indigenous
people
in
in
on
Canadian
soil.
That.
N
Correct
but
they're,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
there's
only
five
five
genocides
that
have
been
recognized
by
by
the
Government
of
Canada,
the
global
affairs
and
what
you've
just
described
is
probably
the
sixth
one
which
I,
don't
believe,
was
actually
officially
defined
as
a
genocide
by
the
by
the
federal
government.
No.
N
It
is
it
possible,
but
that
even
the
federal
government
has
has
not
a
clear
framework
on
how
to
address
these
particular
matters.
Genocide
or
Massacre,
because
the
sixth
one,
which
is
the
one
that
happened
on
domestic
soil,
is
the
one.
That's
not
clearly
listed
on
on
any
Canadian
federal
government
website
as
the
six
genocide
that
they
recognized
after
the
Holocaust,
the
Rwandan,
the
Armenian,
the
the
holida
Mar
and
the
service
arabian
Serb
Renia.
Last.