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From YouTube: City Council - December 18, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
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City Council, meeting 13, December 18, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=15359
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAuRSosfWlg
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I
Simply
to
say
that,
unfortunately,
and
I
regret
very
much
regret
on
behalf
of
the
City
of
Toronto
the
errors
that
were
made,
because
this
is
something
where
a
higher
standard
is
expected
of
us
when
we're
dealing
with
all
the
different
groups
and
the
languages
they
speak
and
I
think
it
was
just
one
of
those
things
where
it
was
a
combination.
It
would
seem
from
the
story.
That's
brief.
I
All
we're
doing
here
is
saying
that
we're
going
to
do
better
that
we're
going
to
issue
a
formal
apology,
as
I
will
do
I'll
call
it
informally
here,
standing
in
the
council
chamber
to
the
communities
affected,
because
they
should
expect
a
better
from
us
and
to
pledge
to
them
that
we
will
do
better
as
a
result
of
the
work
that
is
contemplated
by
this
motion.
Okay,.
A
J
C
I'm
wish
I
had
this
in
hand.
My
understanding
is
that
the
effect
of
this
is
to
change
I.
Don't
know
you
know
who
to
ask
maybe
the
CFO
so
the
effect
if
council
goes
down
this
road.
Currently
we
give
property
tax
relief
and
water
rate
relief
to
low
income,
seniors
and
people
on
disability,
and
that's
it.
The
effect
of
this
would
allow
that
to
be
passed
on
where
someone
who
co-owns
the
house
say
a
child
or
some
other
person
and
isn't
below
that
income
level
would
have
the
same
relief
extended
to
them.
K
C
K
L
Wondering
I
know
that
this
is
a
bit
outside
of
municipal
taxation,
but
if
a
younger
family
member
becomes
part
owner
in
a
home,
what
happens
when
the
the
senior
person
there
or
disabled
person
living
under
hardship
passes
away?
Does
that
co-owner
pay
capital
gains
tax
when
they
become
the
sole
owner
of
the
house
through.
K
L
K
K
H
K
L
Already
own
that
house,
so
the
reason
they're
putting
themselves
on
title
is
to
avoid
probate,
avoid
all
of
the
implications
of
something
owned
by
a
deceased
member
of
the
family
suddenly
having
to
be
dealt
with
in
the
will
they
they.
They
already
have
a
simplification
of
otherwise
burdensome
tax
problems
through.
K
G
G
K
K
K
H
C
H
I
H
I
L
H
B
B
A
A
B
A
J
A
J
K
J
J
J
A
J
J
J
Because,
right
now
we
get
individual
seniors
who
come
forward
and
say:
hey.
My
income
is
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
I
qualify
for
this
thing,
right,
they're
paying
the
bills
their
kid
is
living
in
in
in
Ottawa,
right
with
their
own
family
and
their
own
issues,
but
they
just
happen
to
be
on
title
because
they
got
on
titles.
You
know,
because
you
know
the
the
folks
decided
that
you
know
what,
if
I
die
tomorrow,
I
take
a
trip:
I,
don't
want.
You
know
my
property
to
just
disappear.
J
D
A
J
So
so
what
I
wanted
to
do
was
no
I.
Have
a
motion
I
have
a
motion.
I
want
to
put
and
I
just
want
to
add
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
counselor
Pasternak's
motion
a
friendly
amendment
which
counselor
pasternak
agreed
to
that
we
look
at
basically
the
program
and
in
in
the
income
threshold
and
see
if
they
currently
make
sense
under
under
our
current
situation
and
to
and
to
ask
for
staff
to
look
at
that
and
report
back
to
us
so
that
then
we
could
take
a
look
at
the
entire
program.
J
What
the
what
basically
the
program
has
cost
us
is
and
I
just
wanted
to
go
it's
here
somewhere,
I
believe
it's
like
like
five
or
six
million
dollars
over
like
ten
years.
It's
cost
us
it's
cost
us,
pittance
and
and
and
the
city
manager
is
nodding,
it
meaning
it's
true.
It's
it's
cost
us
pittance,
but
in
some
very,
very
critical
situations,
it's
very
very
helpful
and
the
only
people
that
really
come
forward
and
apply
for
this
thing
is
the
really
destitute.
J
That's
why
it's
cost
us
pittance
I
have
the
number
here
and
I
and
I
and
I
say
oh
yeah
you're
this
since,
since
it
started
I
think
around
2007,
okay
2007.
So
that
would
be
like
what
how
many
years
would
that
be?
Twelve
years
right?
Thirteen
point:
seven
million
dollars
a
million
dollars
a
year,
that's
basically
who's
applied.
That
was
gotten
relief
all
right.
So
what
counselor
Pasternak's
motion
seeks
to
do
is
there's
a
lot
of
people
or
some
people
that
say
that
come
forward
and
say
well.
J
J
Because
of
that,
we
don't
qualify
for
this
program
like
everyone
else,
so
so
counselor
Pasternak
came
forward
and
said
you
know,
like
that's,
that's
I,
don't
know
this.
There's
some
there's
some
inequity
there.
Let's
take
a
look
at
it.
Let's
have
staff,
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
and
then
see
what
we
do.
G
G
I
wasn't
the
one
who
kept
counselor
perks,
counselor
Carroll?
They
all
think
it's
a
tax
dodge
the
change,
though
either
we
speak
up
for
seniors.
We
speak
up
for
housing.
We
want
Aging
in
Place,
where
all
the
voices
now
who
Toronto,
who
supported
the
Toronto
senior
strategy,
where
all
those
voices
now
who
supported
our
Housing
Strategy,
where
all
those
voices
where
we
want
Aging
in
Place
for
seniors
where's
the
poverty
rejection
voices.
We
will
want
people
who
are
being
pushed
out
of
their
homes
to
be
able
to
stay
there.
G
Where
are
those
voices
now
and
we're
asking
for
a
report?
You
know
many
times
a
report
is
denied
in
this
council.
Almost
none
and
they're,
creating
a
false
narrative
that
this
is
somehow
a
tax
dodge
by
kids.
You
can't
you
can't
have
a
declare
principal
residence
on
numerous
residences
if
you're
on
title
ten
residences,
you
can
only
declare
one
as
your
principal
residence
under
the
Income
Tax
Act,
and
that
will
be
the
one
that
is
capital
gains
exempt.
You
can't
go
putting
your
name
on
multiple
properties
and
claim
a
capital
consumption.
That's
a
mythology!
G
The
people
who
come
for
this
program
as
councillor
peruses
said
they
are
our
most
desperate.
They
are
most
vulnerable.
They
don't
have
high
pensions
they're
on
fixed
incomes,
they're
barely
getting
by
in
a
very
expensive
city.
This
is
a
very
worthwhile
program.
That's
minimal
cost
to
the
City
of
Toronto.
It
helps
people
stay
in
their
homes.
G
It
helps
people
live
a
life
of
dignity
toward
towards
the
end
and
they
shouldn't
be
penalized
because
of
a
because
a
son
or
a
daughter
is
on
title
that
provides
no
benefit
to
the
son
or
title
other
than
cleaner
succession
planning,
but
it
does
nothing
to
line
their
pockets.
There's
no
tax
evasion,
there's
no
tax
loopholes.
This
is
something
to
help
seniors.
This
aligns
with
our
poverty
reduction
program.
This
aligns
with
our
seniors
strategy.
This
aligns
with
our
housing
policy
policy,
and
this
is
a
report
that
we
want
information
back
on.