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City Council, meeting 5, March 27, 2019 - Part 1 of 2
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0:10:52 - Call to order
2:59:30 - Public session
A
We
acknowledge
the
land
we
are
meeting
on
is
the
traditional
territory
of
many
nations,
including
the
Mississauga's
of
the
credit,
the
Anishinaabe,
the
Chippewa,
the
Hudnall
Shoni
and
the
window
peoples,
and
it's
not
home
to
many
diverse
First
Nations
Inuit
and
made
tea
peoples.
We
also
acknowledge
that
Toronto
is
covered
by
treaty
13
with
the
Mississauga's
of
the
credit
for
the
benefit
of
those
who
are
connected
to
the
internet.
The
city
clerk
has
posted
all
of
the
agenda
materials
for
today's
meeting,
a
Toronto
dot,
CA
/
council
members.
B
So
on
March
12th
fires,
Toronto
Fire
Services
was
awarded
accredited
agency
status
from
the
Commission
on
fire
accreditation,
international,
making
Toronto
the
largest
city
in
North
America,
with
an
accredited
fire
service.
This
is
no
easy
task.
There
are
about
500
or
256
KPIs,
which
are
looked
at
to
see
whether
or
not
they
meet
the
standard
and
have
in
place
processes
to
continue
to
meet
the
standard,
and
so
achieving
international
accreditation
is
not
the
end
State
for
the
Toronto
Fire
Service.
Rather,
it's
an
international
validation
of
TFS,
its
commitment
to
continuous
quality
improvement
as
well.
B
This
is
clear
evidence
that
TFS
is
committed
to
providing
effective,
efficient
fire
protection
services
and
continuing
to
achieve
the
public,
trust
and
confidence,
and
so
I
think,
as
chief
Pegg
had
said
to
me,
you
know
our
citizens
and
our
business
owners
know
when
they
go
to
bed
at
night
or
wake
up
in
the
morning.
There's
a
call
that
you're
gonna
have
a
fire
service
that
not
only
will
be
there
we'll
do
exactly
what
they
should
do,
each
and
every
time
that
their
service
is
required.
B
So
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
acknowledge
and
thank
the
many
TFS
personnel
who
have
worked
hard
on
this
over
the
past
three
and
a
half
years,
while
that
list
is
far
too
long
for
me
to
mention
I'd
like
to
extend
a
special
thanks
to
the
members
of
the
CA
C
FAI
team,
who
have
worked
very
hard
to
get
us
to
this
important
milestone,
and
they
are
here
today,
including
Tony
Bovada
john
birch,
at
Adina,
Kaufman,
Mike,
rember
and
Kevin
Doherty.
Your
hard
work,
dedication
leadership
are
evidenced
by
this
outstanding
international
recognition
as
well.
B
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
the
Toronto
professional
fire
fighters.
Association
for
their
collaboration,
support
commitment
to
this
important
work
and,
of
course
their
president
Frank
appeared
before
the
Commission,
alongside
chief
Pegg,
who
has
provided
both
leadership
and
support
along
this
journey
would
not
be
able
to
achieve
these
goals
without
continuing
support
of
the
Association.
So
please
join
me
in
congratulating
the
Toronto
Fire
Service
for
this
outstanding
achievement
and
then
we're
going
to
have
the
mayor
come
and
speak
and
and
and
provide
them
with
the
award.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
And
these
as
I
understand
it
are
the
people
that
have
been
the
principal
actors
in
making
this
happen,
and
I
am
just
acknowledging
really.
As
a
member
of
Council
and
as
mayor
and
on
behalf
of
my
colleagues
here
on
council,
what
a
significant
accreditation
this
is
and
I
think
the
city
manager
covered.
Well,
when
you
hear
that
we
are
the
largest
city
in
North
America
to
receive
this
accreditation,
I
think
you
know.
C
This
is
not
something
ordinary
that
happens
and
I
think
we
all
know
of
the
work
that
is
done
by
our
Professional
Firefighters,
all
the
way
through
the
ranks
in
making
sure
people
are
protected
and
kept
safe
in
our
city.
I
think
you
know
I
make
a
point,
as
a
number
of
you
do
it
visiting
major
fire
scenes,
and
just
in
the
last
10
days,
I've
been
at
two
one
in
North
Toronto,
where
it
was.
It
was
in
a
single-family,
home,
neighborhood
and
there
the
miracle
was
more
related
to
property
than
to
people.
C
Although
it
was
interesting
to
note
that,
with
all
the
firefighters
there
and
all
the
people
living
close
by
no
one
was
injured,
but
it
was
a
miracle
that
the
one
fire
the
house
that
was
on
fire
was
confined
to
that
and
that
none
of
the
other
houses
caught
on
fire
and
and
everybody
was
kept
safe.
The
other
one
that
was
in
a
way
a
more
remarkable
experience
for
me,
was
the
one
that
was
in
the
TC
HC
development
in
Etobicoke
and
councillor
or
deputy
mayor
Holliday.
C
Was
there,
and
and
and
what
was
interesting
about
that
one
was
again,
people
were
kept
safe
and
there
was
some
property
damage
done,
obviously
to
those
units,
but
the
degree
to
which
the
two
of
us,
deputy
mayor,
Holliday
and
myself
were
thanked
through
through
us
to
the
fire
service
and
the
TC
HC
staff
for
the
considerate
way
in
which
all
of
this
was
handled.
Whether
were
well
looked
after
and
and
kept
safe
and
and
arrangements
were
made
when
they
were
put
out
of
their
housing
for
them
to
be
looked
after.
C
It
was
quite
remarkable,
but
it
started
with
the
fact
that
our
firefighters
did
what
they
do
300,000
times
every
year,
which
is
to
respond
to
a
call
in
a
professional,
competent,
sensitive
manner,
and
they
do
that,
even
as
our
emergency
calls
rise
by
something
in
the
order
of
nine
percent
each
year.
This
has
been
a
three-year
journey
and,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned,
it
was
no.
C
You
know
what
not
without
its
rigors,
in
terms
of
the
hundreds
of
different
things
that
are
attended
to
as
you
sit
in
front
of
these
accreditors
and
have
to
pass
the
test,
and
it
is
one
of
those
things
that
I
think
is
always
the
best
to
have.
There
were
eleven
people
on
the
committee
and
this
this
accreditation
was
unanimously
agreed
upon
by
all
eleven,
which
again
is
not
something
that
is
necessarily
to
be
expected
and
I
think
it
is
just
really
evidence
of
just
how
well
we
are
served
here.
C
A
D
A
C
Do
Thank,
You,
speaker,
I,
move
that
report
from
meeting
three
of
the
executive
committee
listed
on
the
agenda
of
Council
be
presented
for
consideration
today
will
be
considering.
First
and
foremost,
there
are
a
number
of
matters
coming
forward
from
the
executive
committee,
a
report
from
a
city
manager,
including
a
supplementary
report,
which
includes
the
most
up-to-date
information
on
the
ongoing
discussions
with
the
province
about
our
transit
system,
as
well
as
his
proposals
for
a
very
significant
public
information
and
consultation
initiative.
C
I
prefer
to
it
earlier
this
morning
as
a
public
engagement
initiative
as
well,
because
I
think
it
is
very
important
that
we
engage
the
public
and
ensure
that
they
understand
the
issues
that
are
in
front
of
us
all.
With
respect
to
the
discussion
of
the
so
called
uploading,
as
well
as
other
changes
that
that
may
well
be
advocated
by
the
province
for
our
current
transit
plans.
C
I
have
been
clear
throughout
these
discussions
going
back
to
the
beginning
of
this
term
and
before
that,
any
decision
on
uploading,
which
was
widely
and
openly
discussed
during
the
course
of
the
provincial
election.
But
any
decision
on
the
so
called
uploading
as
it
affects
our
transit
system
needs
to
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
people
of
Toronto,
including
transit,
riders
and
employees,
and
that
people
and
the
city
itself
the
City
Council.
C
The
city
administration
must
be
consulted
and
included
in
those
discussions
and,
of
course,
at
a
prior
meeting,
we
did
authorize
our
city
manager
a
professional
public
servant
to
go
to
a
table
that
spent
a
lot
of
time
developing
some
terms
of
reference
to
have
those
discussions.
That
is
the
place
where
our
concerns
are
registered.
Our
position,
which
is
that
we
believe
the
best
result
of
this,
would
be
to
leave
the
transit
system
in
the
hands
of
the
City
of
Toronto
would
be
put
forward
and
where
we
would
address
concerns.
C
But
I
think
we
owe
it
to
ourselves
to
be
at
that
table
to
put
forward
our
views
as
strongly
as
we
can
and
to
see.
If
we
can't
come
up
with
a
resolution
which,
in
the
end,
is
mostly
in
the
eyes
of
the
people,
gonna
be
about
getting
as
much
transit
built
as
soon
as
possible,
with
as
much
financial
support
from
other
governments
as
we
can
possibly
achieve.
C
C
As
our
representative
there
he
said
everything
was
negotiable
and
so
I'm,
assuming
that
that
is
the
case
and
that
that
is
a
powerful
reason
in
and
of
itself
among
others
why
we
should
be
remaining
at
that
table,
and
that
is
obviously
what
the
city
manager's
report
refers
to.
He
makes
reference
there
and
I
won't
quote
him
again,
as
I
did
earlier
this
morning
in
saying
that
the
only
place
or
the
best
place
that
you
can
have
those
discussions
is
at
a
table
with
the
province
of
Ontario,
where
we,
where
we
would
discuss
these
matters.
C
You
know
I
would
pointed
something
that
I
know.
Members
of
council
know
very
well,
which
is
that
every
single
one
of
the
transit
projects
we
could
ever
conceive
of
almost
without
exception
require
an
extensive
number
of
provincial
approvals
and
provincial
cooperation
and,
of
course,
most
of
them,
if
not
all,
require
a
significant
degree
of
provincial
financial
participation,
and
so
the
notion
that
somehow
we
can
sort
of
go
it
alone.
Regrettably,
in
some
ways,
but
the
reality
is
that
the
notion
we
can
go
it
alone
is
not
something
that
is
within
any
scope
of
reality.
C
That
I
think
anybody
would
confront
so
I
think
the
top-of-mind
concern
for
us-
and
we
didn't
know
about
this
letter
at
the
time
the
executive
committee
met-
would
be
the
notion
of
the
delay
for
the
projects.
We
have
many
concerns,
of
course,
about
the
principle
of
uploading
itself,
which
was
to
be
discussed
at
this
table
now.
Added
to
that
are
the
proposed
changes
and
the
impact
in
particular.
C
A
E
You,
madam
Speaker,
the
motion
is
that
the
report
from
meeting
one
of
the
Audit
Committee
listed
on
the
agenda
of
Council
be
presented
for
consideration.
You
know
just
acknowledged
there
were
seven
reports
on
the
agenda
of
the
Audit
Committee
and
one
of
them
was
the
external
quality
review
of
the
auditor
performed
by
outside
reference
points,
and
I
would
like
to
congratulate
the
auditor
on
successfully
passing
that
and
being
acknowledged
as
a
great
Center
of
Excellence,
and
also
the
Auditor
General's
Office
being
accredited
as
a
CPA
training
office
in
2018.
E
There
are
six
additional
reports
and
I'll
draw
counsels
attention
to
those,
namely
one
on
demonstrating
the
value
of
the
Auditor
General's
Office
I.
Think
the
committee
enjoyed
this
report
and
we're
quite
proud
of
the
performance
of
the
auditor
over
the
last
year,
and
she
acknowledged
that
there
were
300
million
dollars
in
savings.
I'll
say
that
again,
300
million
dollars
in
savings
over
five
years.
Those
are
verified
savings
as
part
of
the
auditors
process.
E
She
will
go
back
and
work
with
management,
so
look
at
the
outcomes
of
the
audits
and
ensure
that
these
savings
are
being
achieved
and
she
quantifies
them
in
the
reports.
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
several
follow-up
reports
on
outstanding
audit
items.
Members
of
council
will
be
familiar
with
a
number
of
the
audits
that
we
put
through
over
the
years.
The
auditor
does
go
back
to
the
individual
divisions
and
work
with
those
divisions
to
look
at
the
status
of
the
findings.
E
We've
seen
things
such
as
the
auditors
work
on
fire
safety
in
our
buildings,
and
we
talked
about
that
at
Council
and
I
believe
that
we
are
in
a
safer
place
because
of
that
audit
I
believe
the
public
feels
that
as
well.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
about
any
of
the
items
on
the
audit
agenda,
please
you're
welcome
to
approach
me
or
any
of
the
members
of
the
committee
or
speak
to
the
Auditor
General
herself,
and
also
a
congratulations
to
the
Auditor
General's
team
on
all
of
the
achievements
that
they've
achieved
over
the
year.
A
F
Thank
You
speaker,
this
was
the
first
meeting
of
our
new
well
and
first
of
all
that
the
report
from
meeting
three
of
the
board
of
health
listed
on
the
agenda
be
presented
for
consideration
and
I'll
move
that
I'll
just
make
a
few
brief
comments.
This
was
the
first
meeting
of
our
new
board
and
the
first
of
mine
in
the
chair,
and
we
covered
a
range
of
issues,
but
I
would
just
highlight
very
briefly
four
in
particular.
The
first
is,
as
it
relates
to
the
overdose
crisis.
F
While
we
are
doing
a
great
deal
amount
in
our
city.
We
know
that
all
governments
can
do
more,
and
so
the
board
considered
two
items.
One
was
an
indigenous
layer
for
our
overdose
action
plan
to
focus
on
a
disproportionate
number
of
deaths
within
the
indigenous
community,
and
the
second
was
to
expand
the
opioid
substitution
treatment
options
that
are
available
so
both
on
a
prevention,
harm
reduction
and
treatment
level.
The
second
item
I
would
flag,
which
is
here
in
front
of
us
that
council
is
as
it
relates
to
heat
relief.
F
It's
not
a
topic
that
gets
the
attention
it
deserves,
but
certainly
for
each
and
every
one
of
you,
your
residents
will
notice
it
and
feel
it
painfully.
So
is
we
have
rising
temperatures
and
unpredictability
around
those
rising
temperatures,
and
so
we
have
more
than
300
buildings
in
the
City
of
Toronto
that
do
not
have
air-conditioning
in
each
and
every
one
of
your
wards
and
those
shoulder
seasons
from
September
the
15th
to
June
the
first.
There
is
an
assumption
that
the
heat
has
to
be
turned
on
in
all
of
those
buildings.
F
F
We
also
know
that
in
the
fall,
the
federal
government
will
confirm
the
legalization
for
edibles,
and
so
the
Board
of
Health
proposed
a
framework
to
treat
edibles
in
cannabis,
just
like
we
do
with
tobacco,
and
that
is
to
reduce
the
harm
looking
at
its
advertising,
its
THC
content
and
its
format,
so
that
it's
not
appealing
to
kids,
and
so,
madam
Speaker,
those
were
the
items
that
we
dealt
with,
that
our
committee
and
I
present
them
here
for
councils.
Consideration.
Thank.
A
A
G
H
A
I
I
I
Additionally
speaker
item
C,
C
2.3,
which
is
the
Harmonized
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sidewalk,
cafes,
parklets
and
also
marketing
display
for
the
last
21
years.
This
city
has
had
essentially,
although
where
one
city,
a
bylaw
that
has
been
not
uniformed
and
in
fact,
has
been
of
great
challenge
to
many
of
the
businesses
in
the
city,
with
respect
to
the
cost
for
fees,
a
licensing
and
so
on
it.
I
Most
of
this
bylaw
currently
now
affects
the
downtown
core.
The
suburban
areas
in
so
on
have
not
actually
had
the
ability
to
really
participate
in
this
particular
process.
So
in
essence,
now
this
uniformity
will
in
fact
you
know,
reach
out
into
the
suburban
areas
and
then
finally,
speaker
I,
want
to
highlight
for
members
of
council
as
it
relates
to
the
homeless
issue,
homelessness
issue
in
this
city.
The
item
C
EDC
2.10,
which
is
the
implemented
implementation
of
reaching
homes.
I
A
J
A
G
You
thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
that
the
report
from
meeting
two
of
the
infrastructure
and
Environment
Committee
listed
on
the
agenda
of
council
be
presented
for
consideration.
I
would
just
bring
your
attention
to
the
street
closures
listed
in
the
agenda
some
procurement
issues
in
a
couple
of
matters
of
litigation
over
current
and
past
subcontractors.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
H
H
A
G
H
L
A
M
A
You
remember
the
council,
before
I,
asked
for
declared
interest
I
wish
to
remind
you
again
about
the
requirement
to
make
both
of
verbal
and
written
declaration
of
interest
at
the
meeting.
I
encourage
members
to
bring
your
completed
forms
to
meetings
to
hand
to
the
clerk.
If
you
need
a
blank
form,
the
clerk
staff
have
copies
available.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest?
Please
put
your
name
up
request
to
question
staff.
J
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
announcement.
I
know:
Mara
Tory
will
be
interested
in
this.
We
don't
celebrate
this
day.
I
would
just
like
to
acknowledge
on
this
day
in
1834
that
our
first
mayor,
William,
Lyon
Mackenzie
sumed
office,
so
I
thought
the
mayor
and
everybody
would
be
interested
not
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
about
this
day.
Thank
You.
F
A
Okay,
members
I
will
not
review
the
order
paper.
The
mayor
has
designated
item
ii
x,
3.1
headed
engagement
with
the
province
on
Toronto,
Transit,
System,
first
quarter,
2019
status
report
and
his
key
matter
for
this
meeting.
That
item
will
be
our
first
item
of
business
today.
I
propose
that
I
emex
3.12
had
it
save
our
subway,
ensuring
Torontonians
know
the
facts
be
considered
with
the
mayor's
key
item,
merit
or
even
sent
to
the
joining
of
this
item
with
your
key
matter.
Yes,.
A
Amendment
2,
:,
Janine,
Group
Limited
for
the
completion
of
the
Ellesmere
pumping
station
power,
generators
upgrade
and
finally
item
CC,
5.10,
&,
CC
5.11
regarding
280
290,
Jarvis,
Street
and
102,
and
110
Girard,
Street
and
189
193
mutual
Street
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
amendment
application
request
for
direction
and
alterations
to
a
designated
heritage
property
amendment
of
a
designating
by
law
intention
to
designate
under
part
part
4
of
section
29
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
authority
to
enter
into
a
heritage,
easement
agreement
notices.
Emotions
are
scheduled
to
be
to
be
dealt
with
at
2:00
p.m.
A
A
P
Related
to
the
X
3.1
to
save
our
subway,
ensuring
strong
Tony
ins
know
the
facts
and
I'm.
Just
gonna
read
out
the
content
of
the
position.
So
these
are
the
signatories,
and
the
position
reads:
is
this
from
your
Doug
Ford
says:
he's
taking
Toronto
subway,
so
he
can
get
new
transit
bills.
However,
nothing
is
stopping
the
province
from
building
transit
in
Toronto
now
uploading.
The
existing
subway
does
not
affect
the
Ford
government's
ability
to
construct
and
own
new
lines
or
extensions.
In
fact,
the
province
is
currently
building
and
will
own
the
Eglinton
crosstown.
P
Moreover,
it
was
premier
Doug
Ford
himself,
who
helped
kill
the
approved
LRT
plan
in
2010,
a
move
that
canceled
for
rapid
transit
lines
which
were
fully
funded
by
the
province
by
the
previous
provincial
government
and
has
caused
years
of
delays
to
get
transit
built
for
people
who
need
it.
Doug
Doug
Ford's
plan
isn't
really
about
improving
transit
in
Toronto.
He
should
be
helping
Toronto,
invest
in
fact-based
transit
plans
such
as
the
relief
subway
line
and
a
light
rapid
transit
network
in
scarborough.
P
Instead,
his
politics
based
plan
is
to
sell
off
our
subway
lands
and
air
rights,
while
wasting
billions
of
dollars
in
Subway's.
Typically
we're
enhancing
existing
go
lines
would
move
suburban
residents
much
faster
with
Toronto
subway
Ford
would
gain
control
of
lucrative
air
rights
above
stations
and
adjacent
properties
owned
and
paid
for
by
Toronto
nians.
P
The
better
way
would
be
for
the
TTC
to
utilize
these
public
assets
to
invest
in
fact-based
transit
plans
worked
with
city
planners
and
communities
to
build
much-needed
public
amenities
for
Toronto
residents,
including
an
affordable
housing
childcare
recreation
space
and
to
have
a
partner
in
Queens
Park
that
invests
in
Toronto,
rather
than
one
that
sells.
The
value
of
our
subway
to
spend
elsewhere
and
I
certainly
support
the
signatories
of
this
petition.
Thank
you
are.
Q
A
City
clerk
has
noted
the
items
that
members
wish
to
hold
I
will
now
go
through
the
items
listed
on
the
order
paper
to
take
additional
holds.
I
will
recognize
requests
to
make
matters
urgent
and
time
specific
after
I
go
through
the
items
for
additional
votes.
Once
your
the
paper
has
been
approved
by
Carol,
so
any
change,
we
need
a
two-thirds
vote.
A
L
Q
R
Q
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker
I.
Don't
know
if
I
need
to
hold
this,
but
I
could
probably
dispense
it
with
an
amendment.
It's
ex3
point
7
delegation
of
authority
for
temporary
liquor
licenses
I
have
an
amendment
I
could
put
on
the
screen.
It
is
essentially
to
to
go
ahead
with
the
staff
recommendations,
but
just
to
report
back
in
one
year
with
an
evaluation
framework.
I
You
speaker
speaker
at
the
executive
committee,
we
had
requested
some
information
to
come
forward
with
e^x
3.8
I.
Don't
see
that
information
here
in
the
supplementary
material
or
any
other
place,
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
information
is
coming
forward,
because
it
will
be
helpful
to
me
and
either
forming
the
need
to
ask
questions
or
to
release
that
item.
A
K
A
K
A
D
G
O
G
A
K
A
A
R
A
H
K
A
A
Q
A
A
That's
because
the
screen-
no
that's
because
your
name
was
there
for
the
previous
page.
Yes
I,
know,
and
that's
why
you
can't
put
your
name
back
up.
So,
let's,
okay,
we're
on
page
nine.
If,
if
you
can,
if
we
can
clear
the
screen
please
so
this
allows
cancer
Fletcher
to
put
their
name
up
and
councillor
Fillion
was
next:
okay,
Cal
civilian
want
to
put
your
name:
okay,
counselor,
Fletcher
and
then
counselor
filling.
If
you
can
put
your
name
up
there,
councillor
Fletcher
Thank.
R
G
N
H
A
Q
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker.
This
is
regarding
CC
5.10
as
well
as
CC
5.11
I
could
probably
move
a
motion
and
have
the
item
dealt
with
right
now,
rather
than
hold
it?
There's
confidential
staff
reports
I
see
the
clerks
are
nodding.
They
agree
with
that
strategy.
They're
confidential
staff
report
from
the
city
solicitor
regarding
a
Ontario,
Municipal,
Board,
sorry,
okay,.
A
A
M
F
A
H
A
J
A
E
E
N
J
J
Q
Q
D
A
No,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
councillor
Carol
said
she
wants
to
make
that
time
specific
and
we
suggested
we
do
all
the
in-camera
items
at
a
later
later
time,
yeah
we
go
in-camera
for
all
the
in-camera
items.
No,
no!
No!
No
I'm!
Just
saying
any
more
time.
Specifics
will
probably
be
going
to
Friday
yeah,
better.
D
A
L
A
A
Members
of
council
I
want
to
stress
the
importance
of
preparing
emotions
in
advance.
The
clerk
staff
are
here
to
help
you
prepare
your
motions
in
particular.
If
you
intend
to
move
a
motion
during
the
release
of
holds
I
would
insist
that
your
motion
be
prepared
in
advance
and
given
to
the
clerk.
If
you
do
not
have
your
motion
ready,
I
will
not
recognize.
You
I'm
also
reminding
members
that
you
must
state
your
motion.
First
before
you
speak
to
it.
A
Member
city
council
follows
the
routine
for
the
processing
and
adding
of
any
motions
without
notice
during
the
meeting.
Please
remember
that
emotion
without
notice
must
include
a
reason
for
urgency.
If
you
have
an
urgent
motion
without
notice,
you
wish
to
bring
forward
at
this
meeting.
Please
give
your
motion
to
the
city
clerk
staff.
They
will
prepare
the
necessary
procedure
motion
for
my
review
along
with
remotion
the
chair
must
agree.
The
motion
is
urgent.
A
Before
you
can
seek
leave
to
introduce
it
at
this
meeting,
it
will
require
18
votes
that
emotion
without
notice
to
the
agenda
during
the
meeting.
Motions
added
to
the
agenda
in
this
way
are
not
subject
to
a
vote
to
waive
referral
to
a
committee
or
agency.
I
will
be
reviewing
all
motions
carefully
and
will
advise
council
after
each
recess,
which
motions
need
a
motion
tab
to
the
agenda.
We
will
now
go
to
the
mayor's
key
item,
which
is
on
page
3,
E,
X,
3.1
and
ex3
point
12.
Q
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker,
to
the
city
manager.
Clearly,
as
a
city
council,
we
are
well
aware
that
residents
want
action
on
transit
in
this
city,
so
what
we
have
before
us
now
as
of
last
night,
how
does
this
impact
transit
expansion
in
our
city?
Does
it
accelerate
it?
Does
it
delay
it?
Can
you
give
us
a
mother
motherhood
answer
on
that,
so.
B
If
I
can,
through
the
speaker
what
it
provides,
you
is
I
think
for
the
first
time
in
a
number
of
months,
where
we've
been
asking
for
specifics
and
writing,
we've
been
given
those
specifics,
and
so
it's
now
incumbent
upon
the
table
that
you
approved
and
I
recommend
we
continue
having
a
membership
at
that.
We
go
through
and
understand
better
how
those
items
can
be
implemented
so
in
terms
of
what
does
it
do
in
terms
of
timelines?
B
Certainly,
this
is
something
that
we
want
to
get
into
in
specifics
in
our
next
report,
which
is
coming
to
executive
committee
on
the
9th.
But,
however,
certainly
if
I
look
at
Scarborough,
adding
stations
does
change
our
schedule.
How
much
I
can't
tell
you
exactly?
It
really
depends
on
the
nature
of
the
design
items
that
they
have
in
mind.
So
but
again,
the
purpose
of
our
table
was
to
talk
about
specifics
and
to
negotiate
how
those
specifics
can
be
implemented,
recognizing
that
we
need
to
do
this
as
well
engaging
our
community
in
some
meaningful
way.
Okay,.
Q
Q
S
Through
the
cheer
yeah
when
you're
not
it
really
depends
really
going
pretty
Tuesday
ops
until
we
understand
that
is
very
difficult
to
actually
put
that
time
scale
and
cost
against
it.
So
we
need
to
sit
down
with
the
province
and
define
the
scope,
and
then
you
want
to
define
the
scope.
Then
we
can
look
at
the
impact.
B
If
I
can
I'll
start
and
if
Rick
wants
to
add,
of
course
do
that
so
through
the
speaker
certainly
we'd
been
advancing
well
into
detail,
designed
the
line
to
extension
into
Scarborough,
seeing
now
what
it
is
that
the
province
has
in
mind
will
affect,
as
I
think
our
TTC
represent
will
affect
the
design
that
we've
been
evolving.
So
again,
there
are
considerable
dollars
have
been
sunk
into
that
design,
as
you
can
imagine,
going
from
a
concept
to
something.
B
That's
ready
for
market
requires
a
lot
of
investment
of
energy
and
money,
so
there
will
certainly
be
an
effect
on
the
money
that
we
have
spent
because
it
does
represent
and
again
I
want
to
be
careful
because
I,
don't
know
the
specifics
at
this
point
in
time,
but
it
will
represent
a
need
for
us
to
take
a
step
back
and
revisit
all
the
work
that
we've
done
to
this
moment
in
time.
Okay
and.
Q
B
I
mean,
as
you
well
know,
we've
been
engaged
with
Metrolinx
for
some
time
in
terms
of
the
evolution
of
that
design.
I
must
tell
you
that
the
the
idea
of
that
we're
now
seeing
in
writing
was
was
communicated
to
us
I
believe
in
February
February
14th
in
terms
of
specifics.
What
does
this
new
approach
mean?
We're
not
certain
at
all
on
that
we
want
to
see
what
the
concept
is.
Q
B
I
take
it
as
for
what
exactly
it
is
I
mean
this
is
the
whole
purpose
of
our
table
is
to
understand
each
other's
positions,
if
you
will,
and
to
try
and
find
a
way
in
which
to
move
forward
as
quickly
as
we
can,
with
the
needed
investments
in
transit
expansion,
as
well
as
doing
the
impossible
and
the
important
work
that
we
have
to
do
to
kind
of
maintain
our
existing
system.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
details
as
we've
been
sharing
with
the
province,
what
it
is
specifically
they
have
in
mind.
B
M
You
very
much
madam
Speaker
and
I
would
like
to
start
off
with
my
questions
to
the
city
manager.
Just
you
know,
just
even
in
the
last
24
hours,
we've
heard
a
lot
of
comments
in
the
media
on
social
media
really
more
in
the
opposing
side
of
this
I
guess
supplementary
report.
Would
you
consider
your
discussions
to
date
with
the
province
of
Ontario
to
be
in
bad
faith.
M
B
M
Thank
you
for
your
answer,
a
mistress,
a
manager
on
that
dialect
to
elaborate,
so
we
want
to
know
more.
How
do
we
get
to
that?
Would
the
best
approach
be
throwing
your
hands
up
and
walking
away
and
trying
to
fight
the
province,
or
would
it
be
constructive
dialogue
and
working
with
the
province
of
Ontario?
What
would
your
recommendation
be.
B
Well,
my
my
answer
to
your
question
is
the
answer.
I
would
give
you
know
as
a
city
manager
whether
I
was
here,
I
was
in
Hamilton
anywhere
else.
I
mean
I'm
here
to
provide
you
the
best
advice
possible
on
each
and
every
item
that
comes
in
across
my
table,
so
I
take
a
very
objective
view
of
the
matter.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
all
I
know
is
is
that
there
is
badly
needed
transit
investments
that
need
to
occur.
B
I
say
that
as
not
just
as
a
city
manager,
but
there's
someone
that
is
passionate
about
how
we
build
cities
so
I,
you
know
again.
These
things
are
typically
negotiated.
I've
been
involved
in
a
lot
of
different
infrastructure
projects
over
my
years
and
ideas
get
expressed,
and
then
people
sit
at
a
table
and
work
through
those
ideas
to
try
and
make
sure
they're
done
as
effectively
as
possible.
M
With
the
letter
that
came
through
from
Michael
Lindsay
and
the
government,
is
there
anything
in
that
letter
and,
of
course,
more
discussions
have
to
be
happened
or
have
to
happen,
but
is
there
anything
that's
being
taken
away
in
these
in
their
priorities
or
has
city
council
deemed
these
projects
as
priorities
from
what
I
take,
but
I
mean?
Let
you
answer
is
they're
actually
adding
infrastructure.
Is
that
not
correct?
M
B
Through
the
speaker,
I
mean
there's,
certainly
making
clear
what
their
interests
are
and
what
they're
prepared
to
invest
in,
and
so
that's
something
we've
been
asking
for
in
writing,
and
so
we
we
certainly
have
that.
But
again,
I
come
back
to
I,
want
to
say
this
in
terms
of
the
letter
we
received
on
Friday.
B
You
know
if
I
take
issue
with
anything
right
now
in
terms
of
what
it
is
that
you
have
in
front
of.
You
is
the
comment
that
was
made
about
the
escalating
costs
of
and
they
combined
both
the
Scarborough,
as
well
as
the
relief
line
project.
So
we
do
still
to
this
point
in
time,
feel
it's
necessary
to
give
you
some
clarity
on
that
and
if
you
wish
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that
in
concert
with
Rick
Leary.
Yes,.
M
Well,
I
I
have
one
more
question:
left
I
would
like
to
bring
it
local
into
the
city's
northwest
and
I
should
I
could
mention
Scarborough
in
both
of
these,
but
we're
staff
not
directed
by
City
Council
in
terms
of
the
I
going
to
West
LRT,
to
look
at
tunneling
as
an
option,
so
that's
never
been
off
the
table
and
have
staff
ever
looked
at
a
three
stop
subway
in
Scarborough.
That
was
your
last
question.
Thank
you
very
much.
So.
H
D
J
B
Through
the
speaker
that
was
clearly
presented
on
March
9th,
when
we
had
our
our
meeting
with
both
Michael
Lindsay
and
Metrolinx
and
MTO,
it
was
important
for
us
to
lay
out
all
the
projects,
understanding
importance
of
all
the
projects
where
they
are
in
terms
of
design
where
they
are
in
terms
of
schedule,
so
that
information
was
clearly
provided
to
them.
We
will
be
documenting
that
in
the
report
that
Karen
just
mentioned
that's
coming
out
and
will
be
in
front
of
executive
on
the
9th,
so
they
have
that
information.
B
J
Was
there
any
response
to
them
when
you
presented
that
information,
it
was
just
will
look
at
it
and
get
back
to
you
because
I
am
concerned
over.
So
the
fundings
that
structured
now
for
the
extension
of
the
Scarborough
subway
and
the
Eglinton
East
LRT
off
to
UTS
CS,
most
people
know
it's
one
pot
of
money,
a
good
chunk
of
it.
1.9
billion
dollars,
I
believe
getting
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
in
stock
indexed
to
inflation,
they
were
expecting
from
the
province
I'm
quite
concerned.
We're
gonna,
see
all
that
the
you
know
hypothetically
subway
gets
uploaded.
J
B
So
that
information
and
I
think
it
was,
as
noted
and
I
think,
the
first
letter
that
they
sent
to
us
on
Friday
that
it
was
quite
informative.
Whether
or
not
it
becomes
at
a
conversation
further
on
down
the
I'm
not
going
to
speculate.
But
right
now,
as
you
can
say,
see
from
their
letters
that
they're
very
much
focused
on
on
subways
and
what
that
means
from
a
funding.
Standpoint
is
certainly
something
that
we're
wanting
to
talk
to
them
about.
B
J
J
B
J
Then
just
my
last
question,
mr.
Maurya
I
don't
know
if
it
gets
answered
by
you
or
not.
It
was
more
about
add-on
costs
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
examples
I
want
to
use
in
the
one
letter
where
it
talks
about
the
extension
in
the
Scarborough
there's
a
vague
reference
to
the
terminus
north
of
the
Scarborough
town
centre.
B
The
speaker
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
of
summarizing
the
exact
issues
that
we
need
to
address
at
our
table
and
get
some
firm
answers
in
terms
of
what
does
this
do
to
budgets?
What
does
this
do
to
monies
that
we've
already
sunk?
What
does
this
do
to
our
timeline,
but
that's
exactly
why
the
table
was
set.
Okay,.
N
N
So,
for
five
years
now
to
the
city
manager,
it
was
concerning
when
we
saw
the
the
letter
come
out.
That
said,
the
costs
have
doubled,
because
that's
that
was
new
information.
Of
course
you
know
perhaps
not
factually
correct
information,
but
that
was
news
to
everybody
here
at
council.
Can
you
confirm
whether
or
not
the
cost
of
the
relief
line
have
doubled?
Well,.
B
S
Through
the
speaker,
if
we
talk
about
the
Scarborough
somebody
extension
first,
we've
actually
got
your
stage
and
a
real
device.
They've
provided
and
got
feedback
on
our
design.
If
they
have
was
done,
50%
was
taking
the
estimate
that
point
in
time
we've
actually
done.
The
estimate
and
house
we've
actually
went
to
a
third
party
to
commercially
internationally
community,
recognized
consulting
to
get
the
cost
and
shared
you've
verified.
That
will
then
be
released
next
week
as
part
of
our
stage
gate
fee
report
I'm
going
to
come
to
an
April
of
this
year.
S
N
S
He
actually
go
back
to
the
council
report
in
March
2017.
There
was
a
base
course
and
a
budget
was
there
for
three
point:
five
six
billion,
also
our
options
with
a
not
for
risk
and
schedule,
risk
analysis
and
public
realm
work
when
you're,
actually
total
them
up.
There
was
actually
about
3.9
billion.
Okay.
N
Thank
you
to
the
city
manager,
the
March
22nd
letter.
It
was
very
ambiguous
around
the
status
of
the
relief
line.
That
was,
of
course,
concerning
they
say
that
they
want
to
see
the
planning
design
work
for
the
Yonge
subway
extension
to
progress
in
parallel
with
the
relief
line
that
that
might
be
their
priority.
But
that's
that's
not
our
priority,
so
I
what
you
know
the
relief
lines
past
the
tea
path
stage
and
it
we're
working
on
preliminary
design
up
to
30%.
B
Mean
they're
really
at
two
different
stages
of
design,
I
I,
think
just
if
I
can,
in
terms
of
your
question,
I
mean
we've
been
very
clear
about
the.
If
there's
an
order
to
these
projects
that
the
young
extension
that
would
not
be
a
first
priority
and
for
the
simple
reason
that
you
have
significant
congestion
in
the
system
as
we
speak.
B
If
you
will
to
address
some
of
the
congestion
issues
that
we
think
are
important,
so
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
that
the
extension
should
be
a
second
order
priority
in
terms
of
combining
those
two
think
we're
working
on
both
those
projects
right
now.
So
if
we're
allowed
to
continue
doing
what
we're
doing,
I
can't
see
that
there
would
be
an
impact,
although
happy
to
be
wrong
and
corrected
by
any
member
of
staff.
So.
N
B
N
Correct
okay
last
question:
the
supplementary
report
that
you
released
yesterday
yesterday
identified
a
number
of
errors
on
the
March
22nd,
including
an
overstating
of
the
cost
on
our
proposed
projects,
is
the
province.
Given
you
any
explanation
why
these,
like
very
basic
errors,
were
made
on
their
end.
That.
B
B
A
A
R
R
T
R
R
R
Q
R
R
O
R
R
At
a
time-
and
so
the
idea
is
that
that
exists,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
it's
close
to
pate
and
you
would
be
able
to
take
those
trains
up
and
put
them
in
service
on
the
relief
line.
This
notion
that
there
needs
to
be
a
different
technology,
a
different
type
of
vehicle
gauge
I'm,
assuming
everything
would
not
allow
the
trains
that
are
next
door
to
be
used
on
that
relief
line.
So
it.
R
But
reasonably,
if
you're
using
a
different
kind
of
train,
rather
than
the
one
that
we're
using
on
line
two,
then
you
would
have
to
find
somewhere
to
park.
All
of
those
that
would
be
on
the
relief
line
and
I
believe
the
letter
says
it
would
be
a
whole
new
line
that
would
run
all
around
the
city.
So
you've
not
heard
about
that
before
outside
of
this
particular
okay.
R
R
And
the
other
one
is
basically
how
much
time
will
that
let's
say
we
changed
that
whole
thing
on
the
relief
line
to
a
different
stock,
a
different
gauge
and
different
everything.
We
would
have
to
go
back
to
zero
on
the
tee
pad.
The
current
tee
PAP
is
for
the
subway
that
starts
at
Greenwood
station,
goes
to
Pape
and
would
be
used
on
the
relief
line
and
the
gauge
and
everything
is
built.
It's.
T
T
O
B
Through
the
speaker,
I
believe
both
discussions
were
going
to
occur.
The
uploading
has
not
gone
away.
We
are
providing
them
information
to
assist
with
that
kind
of
decision,
but
I
think
what
they're
wanting
to
do
is
to
the
extent
possible
advance
expansion
as
well,
so
we're
working
on
really
kind
of
two
different
paths,
but
both
at
the
same
time.
O
B
The
speaker
I
mean
those
discussions
have
started.
There
are
certainly
a
number
of
complications
around
the
accounting
practices
that
are
going
to
be
deployed.
You
know,
I,
don't
see
it.
I,
don't
see
an
answer
to
the
uploading
occurring
anytime
soon,
given
the
complexity
of
it
and
the
kind
of
information
sharing
and
the
ultimate
decision,
I
don't
see
is
something
that
we're
gonna
resolve
in
2019
by
any
stretch
exactly
how
much
time
it
will
take.
I
can't
speculate,
but
it's
not
a
quick
conversation.
Their.
O
I
just
have
a
question
of
the
TTC
staff.
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
councillor
Fletcher's
talking
about
in
terms
of
this
bizarre
reference
about
the
relief
line
south
they
talked
about
the
new
mystery
technology
that
they're
going
to
use.
Now
they
mention
what
the
mystery
technology
is
is
going
to
be
maglev,
there's
going
to
be
RT
to
linear
induction
motors.
O
Have
they
given
indication
what
the
mystery
new
line
is
going
to
be
using
a
3d
chair.
They
have
not
given
us
any
specifics
whatsoever
regarding
what
the
new
technology
is.
Did
you
ask
what
the
magical
technology
is
going
to
be
that's
going
to
run
through
the
middle
of
the
city
that
is
supposedly
much
better
than
as
they
say
the
outdated
technology
of
line
to
that
is
not
adequate.
Obviously,
according
to
them,
of
course,
you
know
they
talk
about
different
elevations.
O
About
maglev
technology,
obviously
there's
something
to
celebrate
what
else
would
it
be
not
sure
it
to
be
honest
with
you,
so
they
wouldn't
even
give
an
indication
because
they,
they
obviously
have
something
in
mind,
and
why
wouldn't
they
tell
you
what
the
technology
is
going
to
be
and
where,
as
councillor
Fletcher
said,
where
would
the
new
yard
have
to
be
you'd
have
to
train
hundreds
of
new
engineers
and
technology
people
to
deal
with
this
magical
technology?
Did
you
ask
him
about
that?
O
D
O
Answer
and
what
about?
Why
is
the
existing
subway
system,
as
they
describe
in
line
too
technologically
outdated?
Is
that
what
the
I
guess
the
the
norm
is
in
the
rest
of
North
America
or
in
Europe,
where
they're
using
this
outdated
technology?
Do
you
agree
that
their
technology
on
our
existing
subway
is
technologically
outdated
and
should
be
abandoned
because
they're,
obviously
wanting
us
to
switch
to
the
magical,
mythical
elevation
they're,
going
to
run
through
Toronto
I?
O
Believe
the
product
in
which
we're
proposing
is
a
sound,
proven
technology
to
work
just
fine
in
this
city
as
a
subway?
And
how
would
they
add
you
ask
him
how
they
would
make
the
interchange,
because
you
know
one
of
the
strong
features
above
the
Toronto
system.
It
is
transparently
interchangeable
between
the
different
subways
and
streetcars.
How
would
you
have
this
magical,
elevated
line
interact
with
the
existing
heavy
rail,
traditional
Toronto
subway?
Again,
we
need
more
specifics
from
them
and
to.
B
O
P
B
P
S
P
F
P
Five:
six
billion
okay,
so
there's
a
few
million
dollars
that
we
don't
know
where
the
money
is
going
to
come
from.
Yet
premier
Ford
has
said
that
he
wants
to
add
two
stops
and
he
and
his
minister
have
announced
that
it's
going
to
be,
to
paraphrase
the
the
private
industry,
that's
going
to
end
up
paying
for
those
two
stops.
Do
we?
What
is
what
is
our
position
on
whether
or
not
that
is
feasible
or
realistic?.
B
T
Think
I
think
safe
to
say
in
the
order
of
magnitude
of
stations
that
are
two
hundred
three
hundred
four
hundred
million
dollars
to
build
that
can't
in
the
context
of
that
amount
of
money,
it
would
have
to
be
a
very
significant
development
to
even
begin
to
contribute
to
that
scale
of
station
development.
You.
P
Very
diplomatic
Craig
the
relief
line-
if
we
start
if
they
start
making
significant
changes
to
the
work,
that's
already
been
done
at
the
preliminary
stage.
Do
we
have
any
sense,
even
with
the
information
we
have?
Whether
or
not
this
this
let's
say
could
result
in
significant
delays
to
actually
building
the
line.
S
S
P
Now,
given
that
they
want
to
spend
potentially
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars,
not
billions
of
dollars,
tunneling
and
and
what
I
understand
is
unnecessarily
tunneling,
the
Edmondson
West
line.
Are
there
other
priorities
that,
like
based
on
facts,
based
on
actual
priorities
that
we
would
prefer
to
see
those
funds
go
to?
I'll?
Give
you
an
example,
beginning
to
niece
tower
team,
the
waterfront
LRT,
perhaps
there's
others.
Do
we
have
a
list
of
priorities
based
on
evidence
and
and
real
need
that
we
would
prefer
the
province
to
invest
in.
T
As
city
manager
previously
indicated,
there's
a
bundle
of
priorities,
the
Scarborough
extension
that
replaces
the
RT,
the
smart
track
stations,
a
relief
line
and
all
of
the
work
needed
at
Yonge
and
Bloor
all
of
those
that,
as
a
bundle,
is
our
priority
because
it
deals
with
the
congestion
in
the
system
and
the
health
and
safety
of
the
employees
and
the
customers
in
the
system.
It's.
T
H
H
B
If
I
can
I'll
start
and
we,
where
we've
referred
to
it
as
staff
as
the
Omnibus
transit
report,
we
want
to
give
you
a
very
up-to-date
snapshot
of
all
the
major
transit
projects
that
we've
been
working
on.
Understand
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
their
design,
where
we
are
in
terms
of
their
schedule,
where
we
are
with
respect
to
funding.
Now
that
we
have
some
information
from
the
province,
we're
going
to
obviously
be
working
to
incorporate
that
into
this
report.
B
H
B
The
way
I
think
we
first
heard
about
it
through
the
speaker
was
it
was
a
phased
approach
that
they
were
talking
about.
So
the
first
phase
was
to
look
at
the
concept
of
uploading
and
as
well
in
that
we
were
going
to
be
looking
at
at
subway
extensions
once
that
first
phase
was
done,
certainly
from
an
upload
standpoint,
we
would
get
into
the
the
practical,
the
legal
work
that
would
be
necessary
in
order
to
execute
a
an
upload
if,
in
fact,
that's
where
we
landed.
H
B
B
H
B
H
B
H
H
B
Again,
I
think
you
know
it'll
be
up
to
us
to
decide
whether
or
not
or
how
to
fund
it
if
there
is
no
direct
involvement
from
the
province
and
and
again,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
think
it's
important
that
you
know
as
the
federal
government's
making
decision
on
PTF
that
ourselves
and
the
province
to
the
extent
we
can
get
on
the
same
page
are
to
be
sending
a
consistent
message
to
the
feds.
In
terms
of
how
their
four
point,
nine
billion
will
be
invested.
So
thank.
H
A
Q
Q
Q
T
B
Q
Considering
that
we're
actually
spending
millions
of
dollars
to
do
the
early
design
and
planning
work
of
the
relief
line,
would
we
not
have
considered
that
if
there
was
a
logical
conclusion
and
a
benefit
to
designing
and
implementing
and
executing
this
project,
would
we
not
have
just
drawn
that
conclusion?
You've
got
all
the
experts
and
all
the
engineers
put
into
a
room.
Why
didn't
we
think
of
it
to
separate
that
from
the
network.
B
You
know
again
I
think
through
the
speaker
of
I,
think
you
raised
a
very
good
point
as
to
if
it
is
something
that
we
missed,
then
of
course
we
would.
We
would
clearly
state
that
again
because
we're
kind
of
lacking
in
detail
here
it's
kind
of
hard
to
make.
What
we
would
likely
make
is
a
strong
argument
as
to
what
our
concerns
are
about,
whatever
it
is
they're
proposing,
but
it's
really
hard
to
kind
of
make
any
kind
of
public
statement
about
something:
you're,
not
clear
and.
B
We've
been
asking,
and
not
only
verbally,
but
in
writing
for
a
range
of
things,
and
so
you
know
again
I
think
we're.
You
know
we're
hearing
more
we're
getting
in
part.
What
we've
certainly
have
asked
for
was
clarity
on
their
involvement
in
terms
of
this
whole,
upload
and
and
and
included
with
that,
the
extensions
of
our
system,
so
so
now
that
we've
got
some
detail
on
a
lot.
It
just
begs
a
whole
other
series
of
questions
that
we
have
so
that
we
can
bring
back
good
information
to
you.
Does.
Q
B
Think
that's
a
reasonable
comment.
Speaker
I
think
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know
everyone
is,
you
know
to
build
a
good
relationship,
you
need
to,
you,
know,
be
open
and
you
need
to
you
know,
develop
trust,
and
so
Trust
is
a
two-way
street
and
certainly
answers
to
important
questions
need
to
be
provided.
B
Q
B
Think
through
the
speaker,
your
your
last
question
and
comment
really
is:
it
speaks
to
the
kind
of
evaluation
that
we
need
to
do
and
I
think
that's
that's
something
that
we
would
like
to
report
back
on
once
we're
clear
on
what
exactly
it
is
that
we're
assessing
and-
and
you
know,
as
in
a
normal
environmental
assessment,
there's
a
range
of
things
that
we
are
supposed
to
estimate
in
terms
of
impact,
whether
it's
positive
or
negative.
So
that
kind
of
comment
you
just
made
would
be
something
that
we
want
to
report
back
on.
B
I
Thank
you
very
much
speaker.
My
first
question
is
to
the
city
manager,
mrs.
city
manager.
There
are
two
letters,
one
dated
March
the
22nd
in
the
26,
and
it
seems
that
the
letter
dated
March
22nd
is
a
correction
of
the
March
sort.
The
March
26
letter
is
a
correction
of
the
22nd.
When
you
first
receive
this
March
22nd
letter
did
you
or
someone
as
part
of
your
team,
reach
out
to
the
province
to
ask
for
clarification
on
the
letter
of
March
22nd,
because
you
notice
inconsistencies
in
that
letter.
B
Through
the
speaker,
I
mean,
as
you
would
expect,
we
have
a
and
you
can
see
most
of
our
team
to
my
left.
So
we
have
a
wide
variety
of
skills
which
that
letter
was
shared
with
all
of
them,
because
before
I'm
going
to
make
any
call
to
the
province
or
to
Michael
Lindsey
in
particular,
I
want
to
understand,
obviously
our
varied
perspectives.
We
came
together
over
the
weekend.
We
in
fact
had
a
teleconference
call
on
Sunday
and
went
through
all
the
issues,
as
we
saw
them
as
individuals
with
with
a
different
skill
set.
I
It
then,
in
the
letter
dated
March
22nd
it
talks
about
a
station
located
at
Scarborough.
Center,
doesn't
specifically
say
it's
the
town
centre
of
the
Scarborough
Center,
and
then
it
also
talks
about
the
preferred
three
stop
position
of
the
province.
But
then
it
goes
on
to
say
that
the
project
would
proceed
north
from
the
station
at
the
Scarborough
Center.
So
I
guess.
B
T
Don't
specifically
know
where,
as
you
point
out
to
council
through
the
speaker,
the
one
station
would
be
Scarborough
Center
second
station,
possibly
to
the
north
at
Sheppard.
Perhaps
an
interline
station,
perhaps
at
Lawrence,
but
we
don't
know
specifically
other
than
what
was
written
in
the
letter.
I
see.
I
I
So
then
is
Scarborough
would
be
Scarborough
unique
in
terms
of
its
need
for
subs
no
be
not
would
not
okay,
so
mr.
city
manager,
can
you
help
me
to
understand
as
part
of
the
discussion
I
thought
we
were
entering?
There
is
going
to
be
a
discussion
about
valuation,
and
you
know
contributions
to
the
city,
potentially
that
we
would
be
realizing
funds.
We
have
a
the
building
funds,
which
is
the
0.5%
that
we've
been
working
on
for
some
time.
I
Those
assets
or
those
funds
would
be
if
we
were
obviously
developing
the
city
that
the
line
with
the
province
would
be
contributed
to
that.
If
this
uploading
takes
place,
what
happens
to
those
funds
and
what's
taking
place
in
terms
of
the
valuation
discussion,
will
the
city
realize
funds
or
will
we
have
to
contribute
to
the
request
of
the
province
to
upload?
The
system
will
do
everywhere,
a
dependency
for
funds
from
the
City
of
Toronto.
B
K
So
the
letter
says
that
there's
discussions
concerning
the
distribution
and
responsibilities
of
an
expansion
of
projects
and
then
add
the
discover
exercise
concerning
the
value
and
condition
of
the
existing
subway
network.
Where
are
we
having
the
conversation
about
the
network
and
the
impact
that
whatever
action
we
take
is
going
to
have
on
the
network.
B
Through
the
speaker,
as
I,
think
we
mentioned
that
executive
there's
that
third
option
which
it
goes
beyond
subways
and
starts
talking
about
transit
network
as
a
whole,
and
that
was
something
that
is
now
in
the
terms
of
reference.
We
didn't
start
there,
it's
a
conversation
that
we
think
is
really
important
in
order
to
set
the
context
for
the
kinds
of
investments
that
need
to
be
made.
So
that
is
part
of
our
process.
K
If
we
don't
know
those
terms,
if
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
information,
I'm
looking,
for
example,
at
a
project
that
the
province
says
it's
a
priority
for
them,
the
Eglinton,
West
Extension
and
having
it
underground
who's
gonna,
be
then
paying
for
the
maintenance
of
that
tunnel.
How
are
we
like
I
mean?
Are
we
putting
the
horse
before
the
cart
like
I
mean
which
one
is
gonna?
It's
a
chicken
and
egg
thing.
B
Through
the
speaker,
I
think
what
you
just
highlight
it
will.
It
will
be
the
kinds
of
questions
that
we're
going
to
have
to
provide
you
answers
on
so
so
I
mean
you're,
raising
the
kinds
of
questions
that
were
in
our
heads
and
wanting
to
kind
of
you
know
as
quick
as
we
can
get
you
responses
to
that,
because
there's
there's
many
question
marks
right
now.
So.
K
Are
you
formulating
these
questions
as
well
with
the
principles
and
the
what
council
has
approved
so
Council
has
a
position
that
we
don't
believe
the
upload
should
happen.
Council
has
a
position
on
the
priority
projects
tranche
one
tranche
two:
are
you
going
to
the
table
with
those
positions,
council
positions
and
leading
your
discussions
and
leading
your
conversations
and
leading
your
arguments
based
on
the
positions
that
council
gave
you
I.
B
Think
through
the
speaker,
what
you
just
said
was
really
the
basis
for
our
march
9th
meeting,
where
we
spent
half
a
day
going
through
our
entire
network
of
projects
and
investments
and
to
trying
again
to
make
sure
the
context
of
transit
in
the
City
of
Toronto
was
understood
by
the
provincial
representatives
were
working
with.
Okay.
K
S
S
K
S
So
yes,
so
the
consultation
will
have
a
will.
Do
a
very
broad
communications
we'll
be
using
our
website,
we'll
be
doing
advertising
we'll
be
using
social
media,
of
course,
internal
communications,
so
emails
to
counselors
advising
them
of
when
these
meetings
and
where
these
meetings
are
occurring,
making
sure
that
3-1-1
are
fully
informed.
So
we
will
we
will
we.
S
So
the
report
and
the
consultation
is
based
on
the
terms
of
reference
that
we
do
a
meaningful
public
consultation
on
the
three
streams
that
are
in
the
report
to
executive
that
that
talks
about
you
know
what
are
those
options?
What
do
they
look
like
it
is?
It
does
not
talk
about.
You
know:
advertising
war
or
advocacy
or
those
types
of
things
that
is
focused
solely
on
what
are
the
options
so
that
the
public
are
informed.
S
D
Looking
at
such
things
that
consistent
with
the
attention
of
accelerating
projects,
but
also
to
deal
with
the
TTC's
current
backlog
of
deferred
maintenance
in
its
subway
systems,
and
so
they
seem
to
have
been
really
concrete
about
about
understanding
our
system.
Now,
the
the
language
is
getting
a
little
more
negative,
you
less
it's
about
networks
and
they
should
be
safe
and
reliable,
but
then
they,
the
emphasis
is
connectivity,
although
they
are
proposing
a
line
that
doesn't
connect.
D
My
question
is
this:
knowing
knowing
for
several
months
now
that
they
that
they
were
going
to
make
a
commitment
to
maintenance,
how
have
you
got
staff
developing
a
hard
ask
around
the
existing
service?
Do
we
we
seem
to
be
in
a
table
passed
back
and
forth
a
set
of
letters?
Do
we
have
a
hard
ask,
that's
in
an
envelope
ready
when,
if
things
start
to
go
pear-shaped,
we're
gonna
say
this
is
our
bottom
line
on
the
existing
system.
D
If
I
could
get
a
few
more
seconds
there,
madam
Speaker
we've
known
for
several
months
that
that
that
they
were,
they
were
campaigning
on
dealing
with
our
own
deferred
maintenance
and
maintenance
struggle
in
the
existing
system.
Have
we
been
in
all
this
time?
Developing
our
hard
ask
in
case
things
go
pear-shaped
at
the
table?
Are
you
ready
to
say
this
is
the
bottom
line
on
the
existing
system
that
people
are
writing
today,
so.
O
D
You've
sort
of
painted
a
picture
for
them,
but
we
seem
to
be
moving
into
we're
now.
Gonna
pass
letters
back
and
forth
and
we're
gonna
make
them
public
so
that
we're
sort
of
floating
tired
trial
balloons
with
the
public.
Even
as
we're
passing
you
here's
our
bottom
line,
we
want
to
expand
these
lines.
This
way,
that's
pretty
much!
What
we
got
on
October,
22nd
and
26.
D
Are
we
ready
for
a
negotiation
that
goes
or
sorry
Thank
You
councillor,
cold
March?
Are
we
ready
for?
If
that's
the
case,
we
need
to
have
a
letter
that
says
here's
the
bottom
line
on
the
existing
system.
What
role
do
you
want
to
take
in
the
33
billion
dollars
of
capital
backlog
over
15
years?
And
what
role
do
you
want
to
take
in
the
operating
our
dream?
Months
ago?
We
reminded
you
of
this.
Our
dream,
always
in
this
council
chamber,
has
been
to
return
to
the
Bill
Davis
deal
on
operating.
O
B
D
B
So
it's
through
option
3
that
I
think
we
want
to
have
the
hard
ask
provide
it
to
them,
of
which
some
of
it.
You
already
have
heard
about
the
30,
3.5
billion
dollar
state
of
good
repair
challenge
at
Toronto,
Transit
Commission,
facing
of
which
and
correct
me
I
think
about
20
billion
of
that
is
related
to
subways.
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
put
the
maintenance
challenge
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
to
them
formally
as
well.
B
D
You
feel
I've
only
got
a
few
seconds
left.
Do
you
feel
you
already
have
enough
direction
or
instructions
about
developing
terms
of
reference
that
you
would
sit
down
and
develop
that
hard
ask
not
as
here's
a
handout
here's
what
we
need,
but
we've
actually
sat
down
in
our
shop
and
developed
an
ask.
That
is
rationale
that
that
that
supposes
that
you
have
pressure
from
your
tax
payer,
just
as
we
have
from
ours.
Here's
what
we
think
is
a
viable
way
for
us
to
partner
on
the
system
that
our
riders
are
riding
today.
B
H
G
G
So
so
there's
there
are
those
that
believe
that
this
is
more
of
a
political
campaign
to
take
some
cracks
in
the
provincial
government.
But
if
you're
gonna
have
a
balanced
campaign,
look
will
you
have
a
balanced
campaign
that
tells
all
the
facts
and
both
sides
of
the
story
through
the
speaker?
Yes,
so
if
you
were
to
do
that,
there
would
be
some
information
about
funding
levels.
B
Through
the
speaker,
I
mean
that
was
the
point
you
raised
at
executive
and
I.
Think
our
answer
to
it
then,
is,
as
today
is.
Of
course
we
have
to
provide
a
very
objective,
balanced
perspective
on
the
abilities
of
of
all
the
parties
to
actually
deliver
on
the
infrastructure
or
transit
commitments.
So.
G
G
B
Are
and
it's
not
unique
to
Toronto
and
it's
agencies
to
be
honest,
there's
there's
never
angels
in
these
things
there.
These
are
people
that,
along
the
line,
make
mistakes
that
I'm
sure
they
wish
they
could
do
things
better,
but
I
I
do
fundamentally
believe,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
competence
that
is
not
just
at
the
table,
but
is
supporting
the
table
so
whatever
direction
that
we
end
up
going
in
in
terms
of
investing
in
building
infrastructure,
I
am
confident
between
TTC
and
Metrolinx.
I
owe
ourselves
and
the
Ministry
of
Transportation.
A
L
O
True
you
chew
what
I
would
tell
you
is
that
again,
as
we
talk
at
the
table
with
those
that
the
province
about
the
importance
of
the
lineman
capacity
needs,
so
the
the
relief
line
does
take
capacity
off
of
line
one.
But
our
urgency
need
is
the
other
elements
of
the
trains
and
the
facilities
and
other
things
that
would
a
serious
concern.
L
So
the
state
of
good
repair
has
to
come.
First,
that's
correct
for
me:
okay!
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
city
manager.
Looking
at
the
report
in
front
of
us
under
public
consultation,
the
terms
of
reference
acknowledged
and
I'm,
quoting
that
meaningful
public
consultation
is
a
required
input
to
effective
decision-making
to
that
end.
During
the
process,
the
parties
will
conduct
calm
location
with
the
public,
including
other
key
stakeholders.
Can
you
point
me
to
the
effective
public
consultation
that
took
place
for
the
province
to
decide
that
these
four
were
the
priority
lines.
B
B
If
I
can,
through
the
speaker,
I
think
in
the
second
letter
I
mean
they,
they
do
come
back
and
reference
the
importance
of
undertaking
these
positions
forward
and
in
the
spirit
of
what
the
terms
of
reference
require
so
and
they
are
so
I'm.
Assuming
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
have
a
you
know,
a
reasonable
discussion
about
those
positions
that
have
been
taken
and
to
see
if
we
can't
evolve
them
in
such
a
manner
that
not
just
address
you
know,
administrative
needs,
but
also
the
needs
of
this
community.
L
The
March
26
letter-
the
fourth
bullet
point,
says
that
before
the
next
set
of
conversations
we
the
province
require
your
the
city's
assurance
given
associated
commercial
sensitivities,
that
this
information
will
be
protected
under
the
confidentiality
provisions
of
the
Toronto
Ontario
cooperation
and
consultation
agreement
so
by
commercial
sensitivity.
I
have
to
imagine
that
that
there's
a
possibility.
That's
a
third
party,
there's
a
possibility
of
that,
because
I
mean
they
the
province
of
Ontario.
Is
you
know
it's
a
publicly
owned?
It's
a
public
government.
They
don't
have
a
commercial
sensitivity
in
dealing
with
us.
There's
a
possibility.
L
B
Think
through
the
speaker,
the
you
know,
and
the
conversation
at
the
table
has
really
been
about
providing
as
much
information
as
we
can
certainly
in
the
public
domain,
so
those
things
that
are
hard
and
fast
confidential
matters
that
we
would,
if
we
weren't
dealing
with
this,
this
situation
dealing
the
other
decision
that
we
would
apply.
Confidentiality
to
I
would
expect
that
would
hold
true
in
this
exercise.
L
B
L
But
if
at
this
April
9th
meeting
that
they're
discussing
here,
they
bring
a
proposal
for
Bill
&,
Ted's
Excellent
subway
company,
to
build
all
the
extensions
and
say
this
is
commercially
sensitive.
You
would
not
be
in
a
position
to
provide
that
information
publicly.
If
you
agree
to
these
terms,
would
you.
L
At
the
executive
committee
and
again
here,
you
referenced
that
there
are
three
different
paths
and
the
third
path,
which
is
that
the
city
retain
the
ownership
and
operations
of
the
subway,
and
we
have
a
conversation
about
funding.
That's
a
particular
path.
Now,
in
the
letters
that
we
have
received,
though
just
that
were
sent
to
us
at
six
o'clock
last
night,
the
province
said
that
they
want
to
assume
a
lead
role
in
the
design
and
delivery
and
several
other
aspects
of
this
subway.
That
sounds
to
me
like
path,
one
or
path.
L
B
F
N
M
F
H
F
F
Right,
I'll
carry
on
with
TTC
before
coming
to
the
city
manager
as
a
heads
up,
transit
timelines.
We
heard
from
the
province
their
egg
Lincoln
and
West
tunnel
proposal
related
to
subway
expansion.
If,
if
there
was
a
niggling
to
West
tunnel
proposal,
would
that
result
in
a
delay
to
the
Eglinton
West
project?
Yes
or
no
through.
I
F
F
S
F
Okay,
so
unknown,
so
we
know
it
would
take
longer
to
build
the
Eglinton
West
with
a
tunnel
option.
We
know
it
would
take
longer
to
build
the
one-stop
Scarborough
subway
if
there
were
three
stops.
It's
onions
at
this
point
not
yet
known
on
the
DRL,
understood
as
it
relates
to
the
young
North
Subway
expansion
outlined
in
the
letter.
If
the
young
North
subway
expansion
was
opened
before
the
downtown
relief
line,
is
there
a
risk
of
capacity
to
the
Yonge
subway
decline,
one
that.
F
You
to
the
city
manager,
one
of
the
recommendations
outside
of
the
two
million
dollars
which
we
are
asking
for
cost
recovery
from
the
province
on,
is
a
recommendation
that
we
utilize
some
of
that
two
million
dollars
to
conduct
public
opinion
research
polling
on
the
public's
view
of
the
subway
upload.
Is
that
correct
our.
F
F
H
N
I
have
a
line
of
questioning
that
would
need
to
be
in
camera
and
I
have
a
motion
to
go
in
camera.
I
don't
want
to
I
tried
to
put
myself
at
the
end
of
the
list,
so
I'll
move
the
motion
because
I'm
standing
about
versus
that
council
resets
its
public
session
to
me
it
as
committee
of
the
whole
and
closed
session
to
consider
executive
3.1
step
up
the
screen
set
on
three
dollars,
and
hopefully
we
can
I'm
being
optimistic.
Maybe
we
can
finish
by
12:30
and
then
go
back
in
public
after
the
lunch
break.
N
A
A
A
Thank
you.
City
Council
has
completed
its
closed
session.
Consideration
of
item
IX
3.1,
headed
engagement
of
the
province
on
Toronto's
transit
system.
No
motions
were
made
in
closed
session.
City
Council
will
now
recess
for
lunch
to
resume
at
2:00
p.m.
which
time
we
will
resume
our
debate
on
this
matter
before
we
recess
I
just
want
to
remind
members
of
council
that
Tapia's
holding
their
annual
luncheon
and
committee
room
2
at
12:30
today.