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City Council, meeting 41, May 24, 2018 - Part 1 of 2
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B
They
work
together
in
an
extraordinary
manner
because
oftentimes,
of
course,
we
see
that
there
that
that,
even
though
people
have
been
well
trained
individually
and
in
their
own
respective
areas
of
city
government
that
they
hadn't
necessarily
had
to
come
together
and
work
together,
which
which,
in
this
case
they
did
in
the
aftermath
of
the
tragedy,
the
focus
has
been
on
supporting
and
comforting
the
families,
some
of
whom
were
grieving,
others
of
whom
were
in
hospital,
helping
their
loved
ones
to
heal.
I
personally
met
a
number
of
the
families.
B
A
large
number
of
the
families
and
I
believe
that
they
feel
well
supported
both
through
the
work
of
the
victim
services
and
I
want
to
commend
them
as
well.
For
their
excellent
pardon
me
incredibly
diligent
working.
As
you
know,
we
all
know
they
do
they
do
that
with
what
relatively
limited
resources
and
the
help
of
a
lot
of
volunteers,
and
there
were
other
such
organizations
that
helped
and,
in
particular,
I
think
we
would
all
want
to
acknowledge
the
incredible
outpouring
of
sympathy
and
support
that
came
from
the
public
from
the
people
of
Toronto.
B
It
was
almost
one
of
the
most
remarkable
things
about
this
that
people
became
engaged
themselves,
often
in
respect
of
people
that
they
did
not
know,
and
certainly
when
I
was
at
the
funeral
homes,
and
some
of
you
may
have
had
this
experience
as
well.
There
were
literally
hundreds
in
some
cases
thousands
of
people
lined
up
to
visit
with
and
just
provide
a
small
gesture
of
comfort
to
fellow
Torontonians,
who
they
didn't
even
know.
B
The
city
as
a
whole
was
also
comforted
I
think
in
a
very
significant
way
by
the
vigil,
by
the
by
the
nature
of
the
vigil,
the
way
it
was
put
together
by
the
and
by
the
by
the
essence
of
the
participation
of
those
who
were
there.
It
was
an
interfaith
demonstration
of
our
diversity,
but
I
think
more
so
than
anything
else.
It
was
a
great
demonstration
of
the
city's
compassion
and
its
resiliency.
B
It's
estimated
the
30,000
people
attended
and
thousands
of
more
more
of
course,
watched
on
television
both
here
in
Toronto
and
across
the
country,
and
I
want
to
extend
thanks
to
the
Toronto
Area
interfaith
council
and
faith
in
the
city
who
again
I
represented
here
today
for
their
role
in
organizing
the
vigil
they
brought
together
the
choirs
they
brought
together
the
faith
leaders.
They
obviously
talked
to
one
another
about
the
words
that
they
would
speak,
and
it
was
something
that,
together
with
a
huge
help
from
all
the
visions
of
our
city,
staff,
was
put
together.
B
B
Think,
as
elected
officials,
we
have
a
responsibility
to
speak
out
about
it.
So
we
have
here
together
today
an
opportunity
to
condemn
misogyny
and
attacks
on
women
such
as
this
and
attacks
on
our
society,
which
prides
itself
gear,
I,
think
and
in
this
entire
country,
on
the
acceptance
and
embrace
of
everyone,
regardless
of
their
gender,
their
sexuality,
their
race
or
their
religion.
B
That's
why
the
vigil
is
so
important
in
the
tone
that
it
said
and
the
content
that
it
had
and
the
people
who
spoke.
Perhaps
the
people
who
didn't
speak,
that
it
that
we
saw
fear
responded
to
with
faith
and
so
I
want
to
conclude
on
my
own
behalf
as
the
mayor
to
say,
first
of
all,
how
proud
I
was
of
the
city
is
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
face
of
just
something
that
we
could
hardly
imagining
imagine
happening
in
our
own
city.
B
How
the
city
itself
responded
to
this,
but
most
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
people
of
Toronto
because,
again
how
the
city
responded
in
your
pride,
the
city
is
based,
as
usual,
mostly
on
the
people,
because
cities
are
just
large
gatherings
of
human
beings
who
choose
to
live
together
and
live
together
in
a
certain
way.
But
I
want
to
thank
the
people
of
Toronto
for
their
compassion
for
their
strength,
for
their
solidarity,
for
their
love
for
their
generosity.
B
As
we
dealt
with
a
devastating
attack,
the
likes
of
which
I
think
you
know,
we
all
would
hope
the
city
never
sees
again,
and
so,
with
those
few
words,
and
especially
to
you
who
are
here,
it
seems
so
inadequate.
You
know
I
asked
when
we
were
talking
about
doing
this.
Was
there
something
we
could
give
you,
and
you
know
there
isn't
anything
that
we
can
give
you
or
anything
that
we
could
try
to.
B
I
would
now
like
to
ask
two
other
people,
the
councillors,
Joma
Havok
and
John
Fillion,
to
say
a
few
words
following
which
we'll
see
a
short
video
on
the
vigil
itself
and
then,
following
that,
we'll
have
some
closing
comments
from
councillor
Pasternak.
Who,
of
course,
is
our
chair
of
CDR
F.
So,
gentlemen,
thank
you.
C
Well,
I
think
the
mayor
summed
it
up
perfectly
when
he
said
that
we
responded
to
hate
with
love,
because
that's
exactly
what
happened
and
it
showed
what
the
city
is
made
of.
The
first
responders
were
absolutely
amazing:
the
city
staff
just
incredible
and
the
people
of
Toronto
so
inspiring
in
the
aftermath
of
the
tragedy
we
really
affirmed
who
we
are
as
a
people
and
as
a
city,
our
grief
could
have
turned
to
fear
and
anger.
C
Instead
across
the
city,
but
especially
in
Willowdale
people
came
together,
they
came
together
in
the
spaces
where
just
a
few
hours
earlier,
there
had
been
tremendous
horror
and
tragedy
and
they
they
stood
and
they
cried
together.
They
came
with
flowers
and
cards
and
posters
they
prayed
together.
They
tried
as
best
they
could
to
comfort
one
another,
and
we
just
saw
remarkable
examples
of
heroism
and
resilience
of
empathy
and
compassion
of
kindness
and
generosity.
D
Thank
you
good
morning
all
today,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
we
mark
a
month
since
the
tragedy,
the
killings
that
happened
in
North
York.
It
was
a
deep
shock
for
us
all,
perhaps
thinking
that
mass
killings
happened
elsewhere
only
far
away.
This
was
one
that
hit
us
in
our
collective
bosom.
How
could
such
a
thing
happen
in
Toronto?
The
good
I'll
speak
her
to
the
vigil
piece
of
it.
D
The
idea
of
multi-faith
vigil
came
from
the
faith,
communities
and
leaders
who
approached
a
few
of
us,
including
the
mayor,
Councillor
Fillion
and
myself,
suggesting
that
the
city
play
a
leadership
role
here.
We
then
made
some
phone
calls
to
leadership
in
the
faith
in
the
city's
faith
in
the
city
community,
in
the
Toronto
area,
interfaith
Council
and
a
few
staff
people,
we
started
working
on
Monday
for
a
vigil
that
eventually
got
going
or
was
established
for
the
Sunday
as
the
week
progressed.
D
We
quickly
realized
that
this
event
was
going
to
be
very
big,
as
it
became
a
vigil
for
a
grieving
City,
a
grieving
neighborhood,
a
grieving
province,
and
indeed
a
grieving
country.
As
I.
Look
back
on
the
vigil
I
can't
believe
we
actually
pulled
it
off.
I
do
believe,
given
the
comments
of
so
many
that
we
helped
people
begin
the
process
of
grief,
work
and
helped
our
communities
begin
to
reweave
our
shaken
community
fabric.
D
In
the
end
to
build
on
the
poet
laureate
and
Michael's,
we
achieved
what
she
says:
a
powerful
single
community
prayer
of
pure
compassion,
and
we
did
it
in
a
very
tronto
way
that
we
can
all
be
proud
of.
The
key
phrase
to
me
is
a
community
prayer,
no
big
shots,
so
to
speak,
no
elected
folks,
no
big-time
performers
and
each
of
those
groups
was
good
with
that
and
they
came,
but
it
was
community
based
speakers
and
choirs
guided
us
through
the
process.
D
No
tough
guy
speaks
speeches,
no
symbols
of
power
and
strength,
but
a
very
tronto
way
of
embracing
each
other
in
a
compassionate
way.
I
believe
I,
speak
and
I
for
the
city
in
thanking
our
staff.
Holy
Smoke
that
you
folks
spring
to
action.
I've
been
part
of
other
big
events
where
we
had
big
minders
and
budgets
for
the
big
events
of
the
city.
D
This
we
did
in
one
week
in
really
five
days
and
I
was
just
so
totally
impressed
with
the
professionalism
of
the
civil
service,
the
protocol,
people,
the
special
events,
the
communications
transportation,
emergency
services,
all
of
them
facilities
by
our
third
meeting.
We
had
20
to
30
people
and
each
was
they're,
so
professional,
so
professional
and
so
competent
and
ready
to
be
part
of
it.
It
truly
was
public
service
at
it's
very,
very
best.
D
Now,
even
as
I
meet
some
of
you
in
the
hallway
that
we
work
that
week,
a
big
smile
comes
across
my
face
and
I
know
your
face
as
well.
We
did
big
and
we
did
a
good
job
of
it.
I
would
like
to
include
in
that
group,
of
course,
the
political
staff
in
our
offices,
councillor
Phil
Ian's
office.
Mr.
mayor,
you
have
a
great
staff
that
do
you
honor
and
my
staff
as
well.
Each
of
us
are
lucky
to
have
you
work
with
us.
D
Secondly,
thanks
to
the
folks
in
the
faith,
communities
who
helped
pull
this
event
together
and
create
a
sense
of
liturgy,
a
sense
that
we
would
want
this
to
be
that
event
to
be
a
place
of
a
holy
holy
place
in
a
holy
time.
You
helped
us
develop
that
single
community
prayer
in
an
Aboriginal
way
in
the
musical
way,
a
Willowdale
way,
a
Buddhist,
Hindu,
Muslim,
Jewish,
Christian
and
spiritualist
way,
all
coming
together
in
a
wonderful
harmony.
D
D
Lastly,
frankly,
echoing
the
words
that
the
mayor
has
has
said,
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
also
note
that
from
our
evaluation,
that
the
committee
did
Reverend
Alexa's
reflection,
that
we
missed
something
that
needs
to
be
part
of
our
homework
going
forward.
We
did
not
receive
a
list
of
the
victims
until
two
days
before
the
vigil.
The
dawning
realization
that
eight
of
the
ten
were
women
and
that
the
two
men
were
with
women
bespeaks
of
the
misogynist
terror
at
the
root
of
this
tragedy.
D
This
was
a
terrorist
act
on
women
and
we
kind
of
missed
it,
or
perhaps
we
did
not
give
it
the
full
weight
that
we
should
have
the
homework
before
us
all
is
to
reflect
on
this
and
to
recommit
to
building
a
Toronto
community
safe
for
women.
Perhaps
the
faith
communities
piece
of
that
conversation
will
be
part,
will
will
be
included
in
the
parliament,
the
world
religions
event,
which
is
happening
at
the
end
of
October
and
with
which
the
city
is
very
actively
involved.
D
There's
a
short
video
that
we
have
for
you.
The
video
captures
the
emotion
of
Toronto
strong
vigil
and
was
created
by
award-winning
documentary
filmmaker
in
Toronto
resident
use.
Beck
hidari,
the
soundtrack
Amazing
Grace,
was
performed
by
our
wonderful
Metropolitan
Community
Church
of
Toronto,
their
choir
featuring
Stephanie
Martin.
The
choir
was
part
of
the
vigil
program,
we'll
watch
that
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone.
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Meritor
a
counselor
fillion
counselor
mackovic
on
behalf
of
my
committee
members,
there's
not
much
more
to
add,
but
my
personal
thanks
in
tribute
to
our
brave
and
caring
first
responders,
and
it
is
hard
to
believe
in
listening
to
the
remarks
and
watching
the
video
that
that
evil
actually
occurred
here
in
our
great
city.
But
our
city
is
successful,
not
because
we
provide
the
functioning
parts
but
because
of
the
humanity
and
civility
we.
C
In
crisis,
we
certainly
see
how
lucky
we
are
to
have
such
wonderful
teams
or
first
responders
and
other
staff
members
across
many
divisions
when
I
look
back
at
my
time
at
City,
Hall
I
think
I
will
look
at
the
night
of
that
vigil
where
we
stood
there
and
I
remember
turning
around
and
looking
at
the
thousands
of
people
who
brought
enormous
energy
of
love
and
healing
to
our
great
city,
and
it
really
is
what
Toronto
is
all
about.
What
Ontario
is
all
about,
what
our
great
country
is
all
about.
C
A
C
A
F
You
speaker
I'm
just
trying
to
find
it
on
page
three
41
2
9,
459,
461,
sax,
Sackville,
Street,
counselor,
Troi's
e
and
I
have
been
working
together
and
she
has
a
motion
that
I'm
satisfied
with
okay.
I
H
I
I
C
C
A
M
A
M
I,
technically
have
two
more
on
that
same
page,
madam
speaker,
t30
2.77,
endorsement
of
events
for
liquor,
licensing
purposes
affecting
a
number
of
wards.
There
is
also
another
amendment,
and
this
is
a
number
of
venues
of
being
added,
there's
four
of
them
in
toto
they're
right
on
the
screen.
Madam
Speaker,
okay,.
A
M
A
H
I
A
C
A
B
Yes,
sir,
madam
Speaker
I
have
to
that
I
understand.
Members
would
be
content
to
see
released
at
this
time.
The
first
is
mm40
1.49,
which
has
to
do
with
the
acceptance
of
funds
for
from
the
Toronto
foundation,
so
we
can
distribute
those
funds
directly
to
the
families.
This
is
the
best
way
to
go
about
doing
this.
I
think
the
motion
is
self-explanatory
and
I
understand
members.
Oh
I've
seen
that.
I
B
And
then,
second
one,
madam
Speaker
mm
40
1.53.
This
is
meant
to
broaden
the
degree
to
which
people
can
contribute
without
capital
gains
tax
to
charitable
organizations,
community-based
not-for-profits,
and
it
really
is
being
conveyed
to
the
Federation
of
Canadian
Municipalities.
So
they
can
urge
these
changes
to
the
income
tax
act
upon
the
Government
of
Canada.
Again
again,
I
gather
members
have
comforted
themselves
with
with
this
being
something
that
would
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
community
and
I'll
ask
for
a
recorded
vote.
America.
Q
C
K
I,
just
have
a
point
of
order
and
I
just
like
to
introduce
two
young,
wonderful
young
women
today
here
from
Riverdale,
to
learn
about
our
city
and
I'm
very
happy.
They
were
here
to
witness
our
support
and
thanks
to
all
the
first
responders
and
staff
and
the
religious
community
around
the
Yonge
Street
a
tragedy
and
as
well
to
hear
your
remarks,
mr.
K
A
R
O
S
R
O
Through
you,
madam
speakers,
so
the
contractor
Enbridge
actually
is
out
there
right
now.
They'll
complete
their
utility
work
for
the
seven-day
closure.
That
was
not
related
to
this
proposal.
That
was
on
the
table
tomorrow
and
then
the
contract
has
already
been
awarded.
This
delegated
authority
is
foreclosures
that
our
staff
reviews
and
permits
above
30
days
and
up
to
a
year
as
part
of
the
LRT
construction
on
Finch.
So
we
actually
would
need
to
get
that
approved
in
order
to
move
forward
with
longer-term
closures
to
construct.
O
O
O
O
I
S
T
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair.
If
I
understand
the
question
correctly,
there's
been
a
lot
of
consultation
with
respect
to
the
construction.
That's
happening
right
now,
which
is
Enbridge
gas
having
to
relocate
a
30-inch
main
to
accommodate
the
future
LRT,
whether
people,
whether
people
understand
from
the
current.
T
Consultation,
that's
happening.
Communication
is
happening.
What
the
overall
impact
of
the
LRT
is
I
cannot
say.
So
there
will
be
a
future
communication
plan
developed
by
Metrolinx
very
much
similar
to
what
we've
seen
with
the
Eglinton
crosstown,
and
all
of
the
elements
of
that
will
include
description
of
the
entire
project
and.
R
Through
the
speaker,
so
I've
had
a
number
of
conversations
with
the
Emory
village
BIA
around
the
existing
closure.
They
were
supportive
of
the
closure
before
it
happened,
recognizing
that
the
council
have
endorsed
the
LRT,
there
came
for
the
the
LRT
work
to
progress
and
obviously
impacts
be
minimized
as
much
as
possible.
I've
also
spoken
to
them.
Whilst
the
work
has
been
ongoing
over
this
past
week,
as
well,
they've
said,
they've
received
no
calls
or
complaints
from
any
of
their
members.
They've
done
an
extensive
email
out
to
all
of
their
members
as
well.
They're.
R
E
Called
mr.
de
Geronimo
right
after
the
committee
meeting
and
spoke
to
him
about
both
of
these
particular
projects,
one
is
the
Ambridge
and
one
was
what
happened
at
committee.
They're,
two
different
issues
aren't
there.
So
one
is
was
the
immediate
and
the
other
one
is
a
long-term
plan
that
gives
staff
the
ability
to
close
down
the
road
for
as
long
as
they
want
in
the
future.
N
N
You
madam
Speaker
I
I,
was
trying
to
clarify
the
the
two
different
issues
that
we
had,
which
was
the
closure
that's
in
place
right
now,
and
construction.
That's
taking
place
on
Finch
Avenue,
which
is
related
to
the
Finch
LRT
right,
and
the
permissions
granted,
which
is
under
the
existing
delegated
authority
of
less
than
seven
days,
is
with
the
general
manager
right.
What
was
being
specifically
asked
for
in
the
staff
report
was
to
extend
that
Authority
for
closures
greater
than
30
days
and
between
365
days,
so.
E
Let's
try
not
to
confuse
council
here,
as
this
has
to
do
what
epinet
committee
has
to
do
with
giving
staff
full
authority
to
close
down
the
road
for
as
long
as
they
want
okay
to
deal
with
this
project
without
consultation
in
the
community
itself
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
public
consultation.
A
meeting
in
the
community
to
let
them
know
ahead
of
time
that
this
might
be
happening.
N
There
Syria
madam
Speaker,
to
correct
that
it
is
not
as
long
as
they
want
it's
up
to
365
days.
Anything
greater
than
a
year
has
to
come
back
to
Council
for
approval.
The
the
consultation
would
be
as
described
by
transportation
stuff,
where
Metrolinx
would
be
explaining
the
entire
project
and
that
traffic
disruptions
may
occur.
Okay,
so.
E
It's
a
year
up
to
a
year,
the
staff
have
to
do
this
and
what
happened?
That
committee
was
that
we
wanted
I
suggested
and
we
agreed
that
we'd
want
a
a
formal
public
meeting,
given
that
it's
the
largest
industrial
pocket
in
the
country
that
we
meet
in
the
community
with
a
with
a
plan
and
that
that
come
back
to
committee
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
do
that
within
the
next
month
or
two
is
that
it
so
so
would
come
back
to
committee.
Isn't
that
what
we
agreed
to
it
at
committee
through.
O
E
That
they
are
an
obliging
our
request.
That
committee
was
a
public
meeting
and-
and
that's
not
their
way
of
consulting-
is
that
everybody's
welcome
into
the
office
to
come
and
see
what
they're
doing
what
what
we
had
said
was
we'd
like
a
public
meeting
and
that's
what
we
decided
at
committee
that
we
would
have
a
public
of
forecast
on
when
that
public
mean
he's.
Gonna
take
place
and
you'd
report
back
to
committee
next
month.
Isn't
that
what
happened.
N
Through
my
speaker,
the
the
the
motion
that
was
passed
by
committee
for
us
to
report
back
on
the
communications
protocol,
the
Metrolinx
would
use
it
did
not
compel
anyone
to
have
a
public
meeting
at
this
point
in
time,
but
the
request
was
made
to
Metro
lakes
saying
an
additional
public
meeting
was
being
requested.
It
is
entirely
up
to
them
whether
they
hold
another
public
meeting
or
not.
So
we
have
the
instructions
where
to
report
back
at
the
next
PWI.
E
N
E
E
A
A
S
Madam
Speaker,
through
you,
the
staff,
know
yet
when
they
would
need
to
say,
let's
say
hypothetically,
there
was
another
City
Council
meeting.
If
there,
what
if
it
was
possible
to
schedule
another
City
Council
meeting
between
now
in
the
new
year,
when
would
you
need
it
to
be
to
be
able
to
come
back
to
us
with
requests
for
road
closures
that
Metrolinx
might
need
to
enable
their
projects
rather
than
having
delegated
authority
to
be
able
to
permit
them
on
your
own.
T
S
Not
just
I
mean
I
know,
I
know,
Finch
has
been
the
unsaid
focus
of
this
debate.
That's
not
what
I'm
talking
about
whether
it
be
Finch,
whether
it
be
Eglinton,
whether
it
be
any
any
of
the
Metrolink
projects
when,
if
we
were
gonna
delegate
you
the
authority,
and
if
we
wanted
to
make
the
decisions
as
an
elected
body,
what
would
you
need
from
us
as
far
as
meetings
so.
O
I
can
turn
through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
can
certainly
have
Peter
fill
in
the
details.
My
understanding
is
that
the
reason
why
we
initially
came
to
the
council
to
get
delegated
authority
for
closures
over
30
days
and
up
to
a
year
was
because
of
the
number
of
rolling
closures
that
Metrolinx
would
require
on
Eglinton,
for
example,
to
be
able
to
complete
their
project
and
that
that
schedule
I,
don't
know
that
that
schedule
has
been
nailed
down
in
terms
of
actual
closures
for
the
Finch
LRT
project.
Certainly
we
are
in
constant
review
of
those
permits.
O
O
S
O
T
Through
you,
madam
chair,
if
you're
talking
about
the
Finch
West
LRT
project,
the
the
important
thing
about
identifying
the
delegated
authority
for
staff
at
this
time
is
that
Metrolinx
has
to
work
with
project
code
mosaic
to
identify
what
their
construction
schedule
will
be,
and
they
are
asking
us
to
have
that
delegated
authority
so
that
there's
assurances
for
project
Co
for
them
to
be
able
to
identify
their
construction
schedule.
We
haven't
seen
that
detailed
construction
schedule,
Peter.
S
A
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
that
my
question
really
is
well.
It
was
so
repeated
if
we
were
not
to
provide
you
that
delegated
authority
and
if
the
decision
will
rest
with
Council,
what
kind
of
meeting
schedule
would
you
need
for
us
to
be
able
to
accommodate
your
needs
to
be
able
to
to
permit
the
work
that
Metrolinx
is
requesting
today.
N
A
N
Madam
Speaker
is
essentially
what
would
happen.
Is
the
project
would
start
incurring
significant
delays,
as
we
would
have
to
bundle,
as
you
heard,
just
in
the
the
Eglinton
example,
there
would
have
been
over
200
separate
reports
on
closures
that
would
have
had
to
come
up
to
the
council
for
consideration,
and
so,
instead
of
modifying
council
schedule,
we
would
have
to
bond
those
and
that
will
delay
the
construction
of
the
project.
T
T
Q
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
think
the
metro
Lynx's
program
that
they
started
with
the
community
early
on
before
they
began
and
commenced.
Construction
had
a
lot
of
engagement
with
the
community
and
I
know
that
the
counselors,
the
local
counselors
in
particular,
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
and
get
notification.
There's
been
challenges
around
the
timeliness
of
notifications
so
that
the
business
owners
can
stay
aware.
I
know
with
Eglinton.
O
Additionally,
there's
been
some
support
in
partnership
with
economic
development,
to
support
those
businesses
during
construction
and
and
the
the
entire
program
of
community
and
business
support
again,
as
Peter
indicated,
is
managed
by
Metrolinx
I
I
don't
have
the
number
of
specifically
the
number
of
businesses
along
Eglinton,
but
I
do
know,
certainly
with
councillors,
Matt
Lowe
and
Carmichael,
Grubb
and
cold
that
it
is
an
ongoing
issue
in
terms
of
communicating
and
engaging
with
the
businesses
around
the
construction.
So.
C
O
You
I
could
look
to
my
colleagues
to
enhance
my
response,
but
certainly
they're
there
different
levels
of
impact,
but
they
both
have
significant
impact
right.
So
the
underground
construction
component
takes
longer
has
a
staging
area.
That's
significant
around
the
construction
of
the
station
itself.
The
I
think
the
LRT
construction
typically
takes
less
time
in
place,
but
is
impactful
on
the
surface,
so
both
of
them
are
impactful.
C
Q
C
H
Q
A
E
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
It
gets
messy
when
you
deal
with
provincial
projects
on
City
of
Toronto
roads.
I,
understand
that,
but
just
for
clarity's
sake,
the
construction
notice
itself,
who
who
crafts
the
wording
and
contact
information
on
that
and
who
is
responsible
for
distribution
through.
T
C
When
it
comes
to
on-site,
signage,
I
guess
flagging
motorists
both
directions
in
advance
of
a
construction
site
who
is
responsible
for
putting
the
signage
up
and
what
goes
on
that
signage
to
notify
motorists
of
a
project.
That's
underway
the
length
of
the
project,
the
conch,
usually
the
contract
numbers
on
it,
as
well
as
sometimes
some
contact
information.
So.
O
O
C
A
C
So
so
we're
having
unspeakable
grief
at
the
Avenue
Road
bridge
over
the
over
the
401
because
of
a
disconnect
between
I
mean
we're
coming
to
this
item
later,
but
between
I
guess,
the
Ministry
of
Transportation
and
and
the
City
of
Toronto.
It's
primarily
it's
it's
a
provincial
project.
Are
the
rules
that
you're
identifying
the
same
for
Ministry
of
Transportation
as
they
are
for
Metro
links?
Do
they
have
to
abide
by
the
same
statutory
requirements
through.
T
R
R
Speaker
just
to
be
absolutely
clear
on
that
for
the
light
rail
projects
within
Toronto,
the
City
of
Toronto
and
Metrolinx
have
entered
a
master
agreement
which
sets
out
terms
and
conditions
about
how
the
two
parties
will
operate.
So
Mitch
links
are
through
their
LRT
project,
sticking
to
those
terms
and
agreements,
so
they
were
predefined
ways
that
will
act
towards
each
other.
That's
that
agreement
doesn't
exist
with
MTO
for
the
Avenue.
This.
C
T
You,
madam
chair,
each
of
the
construction
areas
as
part
of
the
Eglinton
crosstown.
It
will
be
part
of
the
Finch.
Each
of
the
construction
areas
will
go
through
a
traffic
management
plan
review
by
the
city
and
in
some
cases
we
require
them
to
provide
PD
OS.
In
other
cases,
pay
duty
officers
are
recommended
by
the
contractor
themselves.
So
that's
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Okay,.
C
And
and
just
finally
follow-up
to
councilor
Campbell's
comments,
I
would
I
would
describe
some
of
the
roadways
as
a
moonscape
rather
than
how
he
described
it
when
it
comes
to
these
fully
funded
provincial
projects.
That
seems
that
a
year
and
a
half
later
we
get
a
bill
for
ninety
million.
A
hundred
million
for
civic
improvements
is
the
restoration
of
Road
surfacing
included
in
their
in
their
cost
to
do
on
their
own
expense
or
with
that.
Is
that
billed
back
to
the
City
of
Toronto
as
a
Civic
Improvement.
T
Through
you,
madam
chair
with
the
Eglinton
crosstown,
the
construction
zones
themselves
are
the
responsibility
of
Metrolinx
to
restore
the
entire
area
that
they're
working
on.
There
is
a
difference
within
the
agreement
with
respect
to
where
they've
done,
tunneling
versus
where
they'll
be
working
at
great.
But
if
you
turn
to
the
Finch
LRT
as
an
example,
the
entire
length
of
the
corridor
will
be
restored
at
the
end
of
the
project
by
the
Metro
links
project
itself.
Okay,.
P
A
Q
You,
madam
Speaker,
my
question
is:
through
you
two
staffs:
there
is
a
special
intersection
of
Dufferin
and
Eglinton
south
west
corner,
there's
about
three
stores.
Four
stores
and
they're
completely
closed
off.
There's
no
possibility
for
any
of
the
customers
to
go
on
to
the
premises
and
shop.
Q
We
barricaded
the
whole
thing.
If
you
want
me
to
share
pictures
with
you
I
can.
The
fact
is
that
the
owner
of
those
stores
has
been
complaining
for
a
length
of
time,
and
he
doesn't
so
I
was
wondering
if
you
can
sort
of
elaborate.
What
kind
of
medication
efforts
are
we
putting
on
in
order
to
to
support
those
businesses
support
the
owners
of
the
of
the
premises
that
are
actually
have
the
premises
empty.
T
T
It's
under
construction
it'll
be
a
a
temporary
replacement
power
station
for
the
for
the
tunnel
portion
as
far
as
other
stores
I'm
not
aware
of
neighboring
stores
that
have
ever
been
closed
off
to
the
general
public
and
in
the
case,
if
that
is
the
case,
Metrolinx
would
have
made
arrangements
with
the
stores
themselves
before
actually
conducting
that
closure.
They.
Q
Were
giving
to
you
from
a
good
authority?
This
is
the
second
story,
a
third
store
from
the
corner.
There
completely
blocked
I
witnessed
this
myself
and
the
whole.
The
owner
of
the
premises
has
not
been
contacted.
He's
got
a
store
that
is
sending
empty
for
a
couple
of
a
year
plus
and
he
sort
of
pulling
his
hair.
What
do
we
tell
that
individual.
T
Through
you,
madam
chair,
as
I,
was
mentioning.
Metrolinx
is
in
contact
with
all
the
businesses
that
have
been
impacted
and
are
being
impacted
by
the
LRT
and
if,
for
some
reason,
there
hasn't
been
communication
between
Metrolinx
and
that
store
owner,
then
I
would
certainly
recommend
that
the
store
owner
contact
Metrolinx
the
city
staff,
can
help
with
that
process
and
provide
those
contact.
People
but
I'll,
be
honest
with
you.
It
does
surprise
me
because
Metrolinx
routinely
goes
door-to-door
with
project
information
in.
Q
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
the
issue
of
impacts
to
the
individual
businesses
within
the
city's
control,
there's
been
a
package
of
incentives
in
that
have
been
provided
through
the
work
of
councillor
Cole
and
a
number
of
others
to
support
the
businesses
during
the
construction.
I
believe
that
came
back
to
this
committee
at
some
point
to
review
and
get
approved
with
individual
businesses.
Metrolinx
works
with
them
in
terms
of
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
closures
that
are
required
and
I,
don't
know
the
specific
details
of
those
engagements.
Let.
Q
O
You
know:
we've
we've
not
had
any
conversations
with
that
business
about
any
of
their
fees.
That
would
not
be
our
position
to
do
so.
We've
certainly
engaged
Metrolinx
to
ensure
that
they're
engaging
with
the
businesses
that's
are
as
Metrolinx
projects.
We
provide
some
oversight
and
guidance
on
the
construction
portrait
portions
of
this
with
regard
to
the
impacts
of
the
road
closures
and
any
other
permitted
Authority
that
that
we
have
as
a
transportation
agency.
Q
O
H
A
T
G
T
P
So
I
understand
your
report
says
that
you
are
doing
this
to
meet
the
obligations
pursuant
to
the
master
agreement
signed
between
the
city
and
Metro.
Links
related
to
the
permit
issuance
with
Finch
West.
Is
that
the
very
original
master
agreement
that
we're
relying
on
and
if
so,
what?
What
does
it
obligate
us
to
do?.
P
P
R
T
R
We
will
still
have
permit
obligations
because
they
will
still
require
permits
for
lane
closures
to
undertake
the
construction
work,
so
we
will
still
need
to
issue
permits,
so
we'll
still
need
a
framework
to
do
that
and
the
framework
to
do
that
will
be
our
existing
process
that's
in
place,
and
that
would
then
be
reflected
through
the
master
agreement
as
well.
Okay,.
P
P
P
R
Certainly
have
I
mean
we
haven't,
sat
down
and
looked
in
detail
with
Metrolink
said
the
clause
is
within
within
a
new
master
agreement
which
would
relate
to
our
violence
March
out
yet,
but
certainly
of
course,
we
will
be
learning
from
from
the
relationships
and
the
protocols
which
have
been
developed
in
implementing
Eglinton
and
as
we
move
forward
Finch
as
well.
So.
P
R
P
What
I
don't
understand,
then,
if
we,
if
there
are
learnings
and
changes
that
we
might
like
to
expect
in
the
protocols
why
we
wouldn't
have
a
report
that
says
before
we
go
forward
in
this
net,
these
next
stages
next
projects,
why
we
wouldn't
have
those
new
terms
and
conditions
set
out
here,
so
that
the
councillors
who
experience
problems
with
Eglinton
crosstown
could
have
some
input
on
the
protocols
rather
than
just
simply
giving
you
delegated
authority.
So.
L
A
C
A
T
We
are
very
committed
to
maintaining
our
responsibility
to
advise
the
councillor
in
every
case,
at
a
in
recommendation
number
seven,
so
I
appreciate
that
the
wording
in
the
former
recommendation
is
a
little
confusing,
but
it's
really
report
the
the
requirement
for
us
to
report
every
time,
which
is
really
the
focus
of
this
initiative
here.
Okay,.
A
L
A
You
so
for
a
councillor
that
has
been
through
to
various
projects
with
natural
links.
One
one
was
the
Georgetown
line,
the
the
U
P
Express,
going
north
and
south
to
my
ward
and
now
the
Eglinton
line.
So
my
experience
with
metal
links
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
doing
that
with
other
members
of
council,
but
I
know
with
councillor
DiGiorgio
and
I.
A
That
Metrolinx
meets
with
the
local
councillor
once
a
month
and
with
their
presentation,
and
they
notify
the
local
councillor
on
on
future
road
closures
and
they
then
they
are
willing
to
have
meetings
with
the
community
if
the
counts.
If
the
local
councillor
asked
for
it
and
then
we
notify
the
resident.
So
is
that
not
done
with
other
members
of
council?
Because
with
my
experiences
that's
been
going
on
for
a
few
years
now
so
through.
T
Through
you
through
you,
mr.
chair,
the
answer
is
absolutely
correct.
Metrolinx
has
a
very
comprehensive
program
of
a
consultation
and
communication.
It
involves
monthly
stakeholder
meetings
with
council
members
and
their
staff.
We
have
community
liaison
meetings
now
on
a
monthly
basis
that
includes
local
businesses.
They
do
door-to-door
notices.
So,
yes,
they're
engaged
with
council
members
all
across
the
corridor
and.
A
L
There
we
go
I'm
just
trying
to
appreciate
consonance.
He
had
his
questions
and
I've
heard
from
councillor
ma'am
led
his
his
big
concern
is
he's
expressed
to
me:
is
the
ability
to
be
sure
that
the
heavy
truck
traffic
that's
in
the
area
is
not
encumbered
by
the
construction
and
what
I
believe
he
wants
and
might
be.
Moving
emotion
for
is
to
have
another
meeting
where
Metro
lanes
can
be
invited
to
answer
these
questions.
O
Met
mr.
madam
Speaker,
the
certainly
before
this
7-day
closure
occurred
of
Finch
to
do
the
Enbridge
work
there
was
there
had
been
previous
notifications,
but
then
there
was
a
meeting
with,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
with
the
specific
impacted
BIA,
the
emery
village
BIA,
to
address
and
answer
questions
they're,
also
in
the
process
of
setting
up
their
more
comprehensive
communication
strategy
for
the
duration
of
the
project,
which.
O
Notices
distributed
door-to-door
for
every
new
construction
phase
and
impacted
activity
website
updates
radio
ads
newsletters
to
subscribers
tweet
City
Councilor
briefings
for
new
construction
phases
and
city
council
briefings
for
overnight
construction
work.
So
that's
sort
of
the
package
that
they're
putting
together
right
now
that
will
last
for
the
duration
of
the
project,
but.
L
I'm
asking
if
today
this
is
a
major
project
going
forward.
If
this
was
a
project
where
there
was
a
bridge
or
something
being
rebuilt
in
the
community,
I
represent
and
transportation
was
doing
it.
I
know
your
division
would
work
with
the
councilor
and
schedule
a
public
meeting
where
a
greater
number
of
people
affected
in
a
greater
area
than
those
immediately
adjacent
to
it
could
comment:
ask
their
questions,
that's
what
you
do
and
you
all
do
a
great
job
of
that
I.
L
O
Certainly
for
the
EI
and
the
project
in
terms
of
its
design
and
the
nature
of
the
project,
they've
done
as
I
understand
relatively
fulsome
outreach
in
the
same
way
that
we
might
do
in
the
city.
With
regard
to
the
construction
portion
moving
forward,
I
know
that
the
day
that
we
had
P
wick
was
the
day
that
the
kana,
the
design
build,
operate
and
maintained.
Contractor
was
awarded
that
program,
and
so
the
go
forward
would
be
your.
L
L
N
Yet
are
you,
madam
Speaker,
if
I
could
jump
in
with
with
respect
to
the
actual
start
of
construction?
No,
there
has
not
been
a
direct
open
public
meeting.
There
have
been
individual
meetings,
but
not
a
open
public
consultation
meeting
for
construction.
They
did
it
for
the
environmental
assessment
stage.
Mister
did
Geronimo.
L
Then,
if
the
councillor
moves
the
motion
and
ask
that
you'll
place
that
to
Metrolinx
and
try
and
do
everything
possible
to
have
them
come
and
attend
a
greater
meeting,
not
multiple
meetings
all
across
many
years,
but
a
meeting
now
because
there's
a
construction
project,
beginning
where
people
can
ask
their
questions
and
get
answered.
Three.
N
L
F
The
the
first
motion
is
a
technical
motion,
correcting
some
language
which
staff
and
councillor
Robinson.
The
chair
of
the
committee
have
asked
me
to
provide-
and
the
second
motion
reinstates
the
original
staff
direction,
which
was
changed.
That
committee
and
I've
also
discussed
this
with
councillor
Robinson
so
before
I.
Explain
all
of
this
I
want
to
all
of
us
take
a
moment
and
enjoy
something
that
is
rare,
I've
been
talking
to
councillor
ma'am
LED
and
he
and
I
have
come
to
an
agreement
on
how
to
proceed
on
this
item.
F
I
completely
understand
that
frustration,
unlike
the
City
of
Toronto,
the
province
of
Ontario
and
their
agency
Metrolinx,
do
not
understand
the
value
of
having
people
who
live
in
the
neighbourhood.
Be
part
of
the
conversation
about
how
construction
work
is
phased
and
timed
and
how
people
are
notified.
So
they
can
make
simple
decisions
like
understanding
when
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
drive
on
a
certain
Street
to
take
their
kids
to
daycare
or
to
do
any
of
their
regular
business.
F
So
councillor,
mam
Malini
was
quite
correct
that
we
need
a
better
deal
from
Metrolinx
and
I.
Understand
he's
working
on
a
motion
with
the
clerk's
department
that
will
ask
city
staff
to
work
with
Metrolinx
in
him
to
have
a
public
meeting
to
start
to
establish
that
level
of
trust
and
predictability.
The
motion
that
I
put
in
restoring
the
original
staff
delegated
authority
to
be
able
to
close
roads
when
necessary,
is
actually
going
to
help
the
constituents
in
the
in
the
neighbourhood.
If
we
don't
grant
that
authority,
here's
what
happens.
F
Metrolinx
is
working
on
Finch,
they're
digging
and
in
digging
they
discover
that
there's
a
pipe,
that's
not
exactly
where
they
thought
it
was,
and
this
throws
the
timing
off.
Well,
if
staff
don't
have
delegated
authority
to
give
a
permit
to
them
to
change
their
construction
schedule
and
it
to
come
here,
no
workplace
take
takes
place
for
six
weeks.
Well,
we
go
through
the
committee
and
council
process.
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
I.
F
F
So
I
encourage
you
to
support
putting
back
the
original
staff
recommendations
as
I've
moved
and
to
support
councillor
mammal
Edie's
motion
to
have
a
public
consultation
at
the
beginning,
so
that
we
can
create
enough
trust
that
this
painful
construction
project
is
as
painless
as
possible.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
You,
madam
Speaker
I'll,
take
a
minute
to
share
a
good
news
story
from
Scarborough
Toronto.
We
have
here
with
us
today,
students
of
grade
5
and
7
from
satisfy
school
of
Canada.
The
principal
and
staff
are
here
as
well.
I
would
like
to
welcome
them
to
City
Hall
but,
more
importantly,
a
program
that
started
in
Malvern
in
2003
became
very
famous.
Now
it's
our
it's
a
walk
for
value
that
is
hosted
in
ten
cities
across
Canada.
It
has
40
cities
across
the
world.
J
A
program
that
started
in
walk
that
started
in
Scarborough
has
become
a
worldwide
phenomenon.
Now
this
is
not
a
fundraising
walk.
This
is
a
walk
for
values.
West
participants
pledge
to
idea
to
human
values,
truth
right
conduct,
peace,
love
and
non-violence.
They
also
have
human
values
Proclamation
from
ninety
two
cities
around
the
world
and
four
provinces
in
Canada
and
Colonel
is
one
of
them.
J
So
today
there's
the
flag-raising
happening
during
lunchtime
in
our
podium
and
this
Sunday
there's
the
human
values
walk
that
will
happen
around
City
Hall
as
well,
at
Nathan,
Phillips,
Square
finishing
and
starting
and
finishing
at
Nathan
Phillips
Square
I
would
like
to
ask
councillors
to
join
us.
Also
thank
the
school
and
all
the
students
and
all
the
members
of
work
for
values
for
taking
our
initiative
from
Malvern
and
making
it
global
to
support
human
values.
Thank
You.
L
Counsel,
Thank
You
speaker
I
too,
want
to
welcome
the
school
they're
actually
located
in
my
ward
and
in
fact,
I
well
under
point
out
that
the
principal
in
the
school
they
are
the
highest-scoring
school
in
all
of
Ontario.
With
respect
to
EQA,
our
results
and
I
want
to
congratulate
the
students,
are
bad
Thank,
You.
S
Speaker
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
a
maybe
a
difference
between
councillor
Malini's
approach
to
the
the
Finch
permissions
and
those
of
us
who
represent
communities
along
Eglinton
is
that
I
infer
that
councillor
mammal
IDI
would
well
it's
not
my
inference.
He
said
this
publicly.
He
would
prefer
that
the
Finch
LRT
not
happened
in
our
community.
S
We
also
know
that
there's
going
to
be
some
noise
in
the
evenings,
people
don't
like
it,
but
they
get
that
North.
America's
largest
transportation
project
is
being
built
and
they
understand
that
what
we
don't
accept
is
when
the
rules
aren't
followed
and
when
there
are
unacceptable
and
unreasonable
adverse
impacts
on
people's
basic
quality
of
life.
S
I'm
going
to
give
you
one
example:
a
while
back
cold
winter
day,
I
receive
calls
from
residents
at
43,
Eglinton
Avenue
East
at
Holley,
who
told
me
that
there
was
no
he's
being
made
by
Metrolinx
out
on
the
streets
at
late
in
the
evening
when
it
was
going
on,
and
they
said
that
they
had
a
permit
to
go
into
the
night
into
the
middle
of
the
night.
To
do
it
and
and
I
arrived
there
and
Metrolinx
assured
me
that
they
had
a
permit
and
they
then
I
said
we'll.
Have
you
told
anyone?
S
That
night
was
HVAC
work
which,
as
you
know,
if
you've
experienced
it
it's
incredibly
loud,
but
it
wasn't
related
to
the
tunneling
and
therefore
they
did
not
have
a
permit
to
do
it
and
they
were
wrong
and
they
accepted
that
they
were
wrong.
But
there's
been
a
number
of
these
kind
of
experiences
where
local
councillors
and
I'm
not
alone
in
this,
have
had
to
kind
of
go
and
deal
with
things
afterwards.
S
That
is
done
sometimes
poorly
and
I'll,
even
go
so
far
to
say
that
sometimes
it
seems
like
things
are
designed
in
a
way
to
meet
the
contractual
obligations
that
Metrolinx
has
made
with
cross-links
and
other
workers,
rather
than
first
putting
forward
the
priority
of
the
residents
and
their
ability
to
have
a
good
quality
of
life
during
the
the
the
construction
period
and
not
just
residents,
but
the
businesses
as
well
along
Eglinton
that
have
been
adversely
impacted
by
this
work.
So
I
I've
just
had
so
many
experiences.
S
Staff
have
said
this
and
I
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
reasonable
request,
they're
saying
that
they
can't
come
to
council
kind
of
you
know
constantly
every
single
week
to
ask
for
a
lot
of
different
requests,
because
things
need
to
move
forward.
So
you
know
I'm
happy
to
come
back,
for
example,
if
there
needs
to
be
a
special
meeting
called
by
the
mayor
or,
however
we'd
like
to
do
it.
A
M
N
E
E
I
think
everybody's
starting
to
realize
the
many
of
the
things
that
we
do
down
here
need
to
be
established
with
the
local
councillors
and
the
businesses
and
the
residents,
and
not
give
everything
to
staff
to
just
carb
in
a
carb
launch
way,
decide
on
what's
best
any
community
by
closing
down
roads
and
creating
chaos.
In
this
particular
case,
what
happened
is
the
same
thing
that
happened
along
Eglinton
staff
are
asking
for
for
a
delegated
authority
for
four
years
on
closing
down
a
road
without
public
consultation.
I
can't
here,
madam
Speaker
I'm.
A
E
Continue
so
my
view
is
that
that
we
need
to
get
some
control
in
these
projects.
You
can't
close
down
a
main
arterial,
Ike
Finch
Avenue,
which
runs
through
my
ward
and
is
the
right
down
the
middle
of
my
ward
and
it
separates
the
largest
industrial
pocket
in
this
country,
with
the
largest
tractor
trailers
in
this
country
that
are
using
the
400
and
then
on
the
south
side,
there's
a
residential
pocket.
E
How
do
we
say
to
people
we're
closing
down
your
Road
with
no
consultation
at
all
and
while
staff
are
really
good
at
the
words
they
were
using
when,
when
answering
our
questions,
the
answer,
the
real
answer
to
the
questions
is
Metrolinx.
The
City
of
Toronto,
the
MPP
in
the
area
held
no
consultation,
none
whatsoever
in
Ward
7
from
the
inception
of
the
LRT,
not
one
meeting,
not
one.
All
he
did
was
invite
people
to
their
office
and
have
all
these
beautiful
drawings
and-
and
anybody
that
decided
to
come
to
that
particular
meeting
was
told.
E
E
de
Geronimo
what
happened
he
said
to
me
just
a
few
minutes
ago
the
Metrolink
said
no
more
public
consultation,
none
and
they're
obligated
to
give
out
the
permits
and
in
his
own
department
that
there
is
no
protocol
when
they
closed
down
roads,
to
have
public
consultation.
So
that's
something
we
need
to
change
as
well
in
the
future.
We
have
to
change
that
policy
so
that
when
roads
are
closed
down
at
least
the
local
communities
know
about
it
through
a
real
meeting,
not
something
that
they
just
not
am
like
a
meet
and
greet
with
coffee
right.
E
So
so
I'm
I'm,
suggesting
in
my
ward
that
this
happen
I
hope
you
can
support
it.
That's
all
I've
ever
asked
for
and
I'm
glad
that
people
have
learned
by
my
mistakes
that
we've
made
and
just
to
answer
a
question
just
answer.
The
comment
by
councillor:
Matt
Lowe
I-I've
never
supported
the
LRT
on
Finch
because
we
qualify
for
a
subway
and
and
I
just
I.
Think
the
north
end
of
the
city
deserves
what
everybody
else
is
getting
in
the
way
of
a
subway
and
that's
how
my
community
feels
thank
you.
E
A
Q
Q
E
I've
highlighted
I've
highlighted
from
my
own
community
I
attempted
in
committee
to
change
the
policy
so
that
it
so
that
anybody
that's
going
through
this
right
now
would
would
go
through
a
similar
thing
and
I
was
shot
down.
So
I
had
to
deal
with
it
with
Ward
7
only
in
this
particular
case
on
Finch
Avenue,
and
that's
what
my
motions
reflect
so
here.
E
I,
believe
is,
is
the
the
motions
reflect
Ward
7
and
along
Finch
Avenue
public
consultation
there
and
I
personally
think
that
we
need
to
change
the
policy
on
public
consultation
on
road
closures,
so
that
staff,
when
they
feel
they
need
to
close
down
roads,
have
to
have
a
public
consultation
meeting
with
the
local
counselor
businesses
to
let
to
let
them
know.
What's
going
on
counselor.
A
E
G
You
I
have
been
involved
in
a
Metrolinx
project
on
Eglinton,
since
I
came
here
in
2014
and
have
probably
been
a
thorn
in
the
side
of
Metrolinx,
along
with
councillor
Matt
low.
Since
then
learned
a
lot
and
two
other
councillors
who
are
going
through
Metrolinx
projects.
I
just
want
to
advise
everyone
push
Metrolinx
as
far
as
you
can,
because
they
will
try
and
do
things
that.
G
They
think
are
okay,
they
will
try
and
walk
over
you,
but
don't
let
them
because
you
can
get
somewhere
with
Metrolinx
we've
been
able
to
because
they
are
working
overnight
in
our
area.
We've
been
able
to
get
them
to
require
that
trucks
don't
have
backup
beepers.
They
have
white
noise,
kissers
I'm,
not
sure
what
you
call
them,
but
which
has
never
been
done
on
a
major
infrastructure
project.
To
my
knowledge
in
Toronto,
we
have
pushed
them
to
just
other
requirements
that
that
haven't
been
done,
so
you
can
get
somewhere
with
them.
G
You
just
have
to
push
them.
You
have
to
keep
on
top
of
them
and
you
have
to
let
them
know
that
that
you
are
advocating
for
your
residents
and
for
the
businesses
and
for
the
taxpayers,
which
they
don't
really
care
about,
but
keep
pushing
them
and-
and
you
usually
can
get
somewhere
with
them.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
that
word
of
wisdom
to
other
people
who
may
not
have
dealt
with
them
before
and
will
be,
but
councillor
Matt,
Lowe
and
I
have
worked
very
hard.
Q
Q
I've
had
experience
with
them,
building
the
corridor,
the
goal
line
up
to
Stovall,
and
they
just
railroad
us
and
they
don't
give
a
damn,
even
had
an
opportunity
where
Metrolinx
chair
person
came
out
to
to
word
3090
to
talk
to
the
constituents
Institute
to
be
there
and
I
found
his
attitude
to
be
very
arrogant.
I
found
his
staff
not
to
be
knowledgeable
of
the
local
community
and
I
found
the
way
they
were
dealing
with
with
us.
Q
It
they
looked
at
as
a
subservient,
so
I
would
urge
staff
to
whenever
we
make
requests
for
town
hall
meetings,
wherever
we
make
requests
for
consultations
that
they
do
back
us
up.
I
have
found
staff
to
be
a
little
bit
reluctant
to
do
so
in
the
case
of
Metrolinx
in
my
part
of
the
world,
and
certainly
I
had
faced
road
closures.
I
had
faced
faced
all
kinds
of
problems
and
there
was
very
little
a
staff
could
do
their
hands
were
tied.
Q
It
looks
like
Metrolinx
is
operating
in
a
world
of
their
own,
not
caring
for
us,
certainly
not
paying
attention
to
the
requests
of
the
local
and
certainly
not
being
very
responsive,
so
that
attitude
has
to
stop
and
I'll,
be
supporting
custom
LEDs
motion
when
he
states
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they
are
responsive.
Now,
one
of
the
things
that
I
certainly
took
we're
sitting
back
a
bit.
It
was
that
a
local
councillor
from
downtown
Toronto
councillor
Matt
Lowe,
saying
that
his
community
would
be
supporting
the
LRT
French
station.
Q
It's
very
interesting
that
a
community
downtown
Toronto
has
interested
in
the
suburbs
and
it's
very
interest
that
the
same
councillor
keeps
talking
about
different
projects
that
we
do
that
he
keeps
stating
and
we
keep
writing
letters
about
projects
that
are
happening
in
our
parts
of
the
world.
Certainly
I
know.
Mr.
council,
my
lady
will
be
going
through
some
difficulties
with
Metrolinx,
so
I'll
be
supporting
his
particular
motion.
Thank
You.
L
C
L
C
L
Information
and
an
opportunity
for
his
business
communities
to
be
able
to
work
with
Metro
links
that
he
didn't
feel
he
was
going
to
have
and
thought
there
could
be
some
problems.
Nevertheless,
whether
he
likes
you
doesn't
like
the
project,
that's
not
the
issue,
and
it
was
interesting
because
after
councillor
perks
and
councillor
Malini
reviewed
the
option
that
we
had
to
finally
try
and
get
Metro
links
to
the
table.
L
But
the
contractors
know
that
they're
going
to
have
to
respond
back
to
management
and
make
sure
things
are
done.
Well,
that
doesn't
happen
at
Metrolinx.
Who
is
a
provincial
agency?
It's
not
the
same
tone
at
the
top
Metrolinx.
Does
not
give
that
tone
to
their
contractors
that
you
have
to
be
respectful
of
the
people
that
work
live
and
drive
around
this
city
and
try
and
get
places
on
public
transit
or
any
other
way
they
don't
give
that
tone
to
them
so,
while
Metrolinx
may
think
at
the
management
level.
L
L
So,
let's
ask
them
through
their
management,
to
have
them
come
out
to
a
meeting
to
discuss
these
issues,
and
let
me
tell
you
if
they
don't
do
that
if
they
don't
make
the
arrangements
to
have
someone
come
out
to
this
public
meeting
and
answer
the
questions
that
might
be
there.
Some
might
be
tough,
some
might
be
easy,
but
be
there.
L
It
will
be
a
shameful
response
from
them
and
one
that
no
organization
then
like
them
should
allow
to
happen,
because
it
is
the
public
that's
out
there
that
is
being
affected
and
the
public
that's
being
affected.
Have
the
right
to
ask
the
questions
so
I
truly
hope
that
this
request
is
coming
from.
Council
sends
a
very
strong
message
to
them
that
we're
not
really
happy
with
the
way
you've
done
things
in
the
past
and
now
you're
gonna
have
to
do
them
better
and
because
of
it.
L
You're
gonna
have
to
come
out
for
your
first
major
meeting
in
councilor,
Malini's
ward
and
face
the
public.
That's
out
there
and
those
tough
questions,
but
that's
what
you're
paid
for
see
what
they
are
and
deal
with
them.
So
I
really
hope
that
they
do
come
out
and
that
this
works
forth
and
I
hope
that
my
colleague
and
his
community
out
there
as
well
his
respectful
back
to
the
people
that
come
with
due
respect
out
there
and
treat
them
again
in
a
proper
businesslike
manner
and
then
move
forward
from
there.
Okay,.
A
A
A
H
Think
it's
just
one
quick
one
I
know
that
there's
be
some
changes
in
the
report,
because
it's
come
back
and
forth
a
few
times.
Can
you
just
explain
the
notification
process
and
requirements
of
the
utility
companies
under
the
latest
policy?
So
if
I,
if
a
telco
is
digging
in
front
of
my
my
home,
what
are
they
obligated
to
tell
me
under
the
law
and
under
the
policy.
H
H
P
O
They
send
notification
out
to
the
affected
area,
so
it's
certainly
broader
than
just
the
adjacent,
but
they
will
go
out
and
have
typically
communication
with
with
the
adjacent
okay,
property
owners
and
I
know.
That
has
been
a
concern
for
some
property
owners
in
terms
of
the
details
of
that
engagement
and
the
mitigating
measures
that
that
sometimes
come
out
of
that
discussion.
O
H
And
can
can
you
comment
on
what
the
law
says
today
about
work
in
those
areas
by
telco
companies
that
I
guess
are
federally
regulated
hydro
companies,
gas
companies
and
is
this
report
moving
the
bar
forward?
Is
this
helping
us
and
I
recognize
that
there's
a
difference
between
ordering
and
compelling
them,
which
is
I,
think
what
we're
doing
in
the
report
so.
O
Certainly,
we
are
compelling
them
through
the
development
of
these
guidelines.
That
is
I
think
the
first
time
we've
had
some
real
clarity
about
what
our
expectation
is
for,
where
this
plant
can
be
placed
in
the
right-of-way
and
under
what
conditions
we
need
to
have
some
screening
and
mitigation.
They
certainly
have
the
right
to
come
in
and
place
these
facilities
and
I
think
there
are
certainly
some
times
and
engagement
with
community
groups
about
locations
that
people
have
felt
are
less
than
optimal,
as
well
as
the
size
of
these
these
facilities.
O
H
O
B
O
Them
to
do
permanent
repairs,
and
so
what
you'll
see
and
I
we've
been
noted
by
many
counselors
as
well
as
the
community,
is
a
significant
backlog
on
utility
cuts,
which
we
are
also
working
to
eliminate.
And
so
we
are
now
allowing
utility
companies
to
do
permanent,
go
to
permanent
repair,
to
get
those
repairs
done
more
comprehensively
and
faster,
and
we
are
overseeing
that
work
to
ensure
it
meets
our
standards.
So.
P
O
Yes,
the
RFP
was
let
we
have
a
consultant,
that's
almost
80%
complete
with
identifying
those
locations
and
they
will
package
those
together
in
an
implementation
plan.
We
will
work
with
ECS
to
deliver
that
and
that
work
was
anticipated
to
be
completed
by
2020.
So
we
are
dealing
with
the
backlog,
all
in
one
shot,
I.
O
P
O
The
one
of
the
key
objectives
of
going
to
permanent
repair
is
that
the
city
transportation
services
are
no
longer
in
the
lead
dealing
with
from
the
temporary
to
the
permanent
repair.
Instead,
we
are
in
the
more
appropriate
position
of
providing
oversight
to
those
repairs
and
trying
to
get
to
the
ones
prioritizing
those
that
are
being
installed
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
temporary
repairs
are
up
to
standard
and
quality
so
that
they
last
for
a
long
time.
So.
P
We
just
had
an
experience
in
our
ward,
where
we
were
trying
to
bundle
together
a
whole
lot
of
capital
projects
through
ECS
and
water
and
inform
the
community.
This
is
what's
going
to
happen
in
your
neighborhood
over
the
next
three
years
and
out
of
the
blue
popped,
a
utility
cut
repair
contract
over
exactly
the
same
street
that
we
had
already
been
out,
told
the
world.
What
was
happening
and
I
still
don't
understand-
is
that
in
ECS,
now
all
utility
cut
prepare
contracts
or
there's
some
lingering
projects
that
are
not
being
really
connected
to
capital
projects.
O
Are
still
transportation,
oversight
of
utility
cut
repairs?
We
are
rolling
those
all
into
our
major
capital
coordination
process,
the
the
idea
being
to
eliminate
just
the
piece
that
you're
describing
is
that
we're
coordinating
the
capital
works.
We
also
have
a
five-year
paving
moratorium
in
place
so
that
once
that's
another
good
reason
to
coordinate
that
work
so
that
we
have
it
all
accomplished
at
one
time
and
that,
after
that,
the
pavement
is
not
supposed
to
be
cut
into
for
a
five-year
period.
Oh
not.
P
A
five
year
moratorium
on
doing
paving
a
five
year
window
where
that
work
could
be
done
and
no
one
will
do
okay.
So
what
is
the
difference
between
a
permanent
repair
and
a
temporary
repair?
And
how
are
we
coordinating
these
permanent
utility
cut
repairs
into
the
capital
program?
Is
that
what
this
consultant
is
going
to
do
so.
O
The
consultant
is
dealing
with
the
backlog.
The
goal
is
to
clear
out
the
backlog
and
get
the
public
way
restored
to
a
permanent
repair
condition.
Temporary
repairs
are
like
pothole
patches
right,
there's
they're,
the
more
temporary
in
nature.
Typically,
they
were
supposed
to
were
allowed
to
be
in
place
for
up
to
two
years
and.
P
O
Are
temporary
repairs,
the
permanent
repairs
we
do
are
an
hour
continuing
to
coordinate
through
em
CIC
to
integrate
into
other
works,
that's
happening
on
the
street
and
then
also
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
doing
this
backlog
is
that
since
the
time
since
2008,
when
we've
been
tracking
this
backlog,
other
utility
cuts
have
happened
package,
those
together
as
paving
projects
and
have
ECS,
deliver
those.
What
I'm.
P
P
I
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Very
much
I'm
as
we
all
are
we're
pleased
to
see
the
improvements
to
the
utility
cut
process
before
us
today.
It's
been
here
before
us
a
few
months
ago,
but
hopefully
today
it
will
move
through
the
council
meeting
and
be
adopted.
This
is
a
report
that
really
deals
with
a
lot
of
the
negative
impacts
of
utility
cuts
that
we've
suffered
from
over
the
years,
both
pedestrians
and
traffic
and
the
noise
and
dust
from
the
construction
itself
and
the
overall
condition
of
Toronto's
roads.
I
So
this
is
a
great
report,
I'm
looking
forward
to
it
being
adopted
and
staff
executing
and
implementing
all
of
this,
the
updated
utility
cut
process
increases
the
accountability
of
utility
companies
to
complete
permanent
pavement
repairs
quickly
and
to
a
high
standard
and
in
the
past,
as
we
all
know,
in
our
local
communities
and
neighborhoods,
that's
been
a
real
problem.
Is
that
accountability
piece
of
the
utility
companies
and
making
sure
that
permanent
pavements
in
place,
not
tripping
people
and
just
aesthetically,
not
looking
very,
very
pleasing
to
the
eye?
I
A
I
You,
madam
chair,
so
basically
this
has
been
a
long-standing
issue.
It's
been
a
problem
for
many
years
and
today
we're
going
to
see
these
procedures
fast-tracked
through
this
report
also
I'll
just
note
that
councillor
Kristyn
wong-tam
has
some
amendments.
She
has
sat
down
with
me
today
and
reviewed
them.
I,
don't
have
any
deep
concerns
with
what
she's
proposing
so
I
will
be
supporting
her
amendments.
Thank
you.
A
H
A
M
M
The
image
on
the
very
top
of
the
screen,
madam
Speaker
you'll,
see
gas
companies
popping
out
of
the
ground
and
and
their
meters
are
now
sitting
directly
on
Avenue
Road,
just
north
of
Bloor,
and
then
that
gas
infrastructure
are
Bullards
that
need
to
be
in
place
in
case
a
truck
jumps,
the
sidewalk
and
and
slams
into
the
building.
So
it's
actually
to
prevent
counterterrorism
or
perhaps
those
type
of
incidents,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
very
unsightly.
M
So
one
it's
important
utility
infrastructure
that
is
coming
out
of
the
ground
that
is
coming
out
of
the
buildings
because
we
required
so
and
because
of
changes
in
the
Ministry
of
Labour,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
creating
all
sorts
of
trip
hazards
and
other
unsightly
concerns
for
the
community.
There's
another
one
on
Bathurst
Street,
which
you
can
see.
Madam
Speaker.
This
is
not
very
attractive.
The
next
image
is
actually
a
probably
a
quiet.
M
They
become
intrusions
to
the
public
right
away,
they're
somewhat
unpredictable,
especially
vote
for
those
who
have
a
low
vision
or
perhaps
sometimes
the
type
of
visual
impairment.
It
cuts
into
the
very
minimum
sidewalk
clearance
that
we're
trying
to
achieve,
which
is
a
minimum
of
two
point,
one
meters
and
that's
after
the
fact.
So
by
way
of
having
this
Universal
equipment
placement
guideline
that
staff
have
put
together,
I
think
is
a
very
good
document.
It
was
probably
long
overdue.
Well,
we
will
see
in
the
city.
M
Madam
Speaker
are
a
lot
more
of
these
infrastructure
placements
going
from
below
grade
to
above
grade,
especially
as
Labor
Standards
have
now
changed.
So,
madam
Speaker,
the
the
staff
work
is
exceptional.
I
know
that
this
that
these
documents
represented
a
lot
of
negotiation
on
behalf
the
utility
companies
and
telecom
companies,
but
I
think
that
they
have
listened
to
the
local
communities.
M
H
Thank
you,
speaker
and
all
through
you
all
thank
the
councillors
well
for
her
work
on
this.
It's
a
very
detailed
document
and
I
appreciate
how
much
effort
it
takes
to
do
this,
but
I
want
to
understand
the
amendment
to
number
one.
There's
a
couple
of
things,
one
of
them.
It
says
they
must
provide
aesthetic
treatment,
options
and
alternate
location
options
in
what's
the
intent
about
the
aesthetic
treatment
options.
Does
that
go
to
the
city
for
the
city
to
choose
a
choice,
pink
color?
M
Thank
you
very
much
councillor.
The
option
should
go
directly
to
the
city
by
way
of
their
applications.
So
therefore,
when
they
submit
an
application,
it's
not
just
the
black
and
white
text
that
describes
the
height
and
dimension,
but
rather
perhaps
some
concepts
that
might
include
some
landscaping
and
shrubbery
to
reduce
the
visual
impact.
It
could
also
include
some
mural
designs
that
we've
seen
utility
boxes
now,
wrapped
and
painted,
and
they
could
also
provide
alternative
locations,
so
not
just
take
it
or
leave
it.
M
H
You
I
understand
the
other
thing
that
stood
out
to
me
was
that
the
motion
says
for
any
above-ground
plant.
Now,
the
the
the
illustrations
in
the
photos
are
very
are
very
stark
ones,
of
course,
they're
very,
very
large
utility
boxes.
I
think
anybody
would
agree
that
you
know
are
obtrusive,
but
any
above-ground
plant
I
would
put
three
amount
of
speaker
to
the
to
the
to
the
councillor
could
include
a
telephone
pole.
M
I
think
what
you
have
here,
counselor,
if
you
take
my
motion
in
in
context
with
the
entire
Universal
placement
guidelines,
I
think
it
actually
reads
coherently
as
a
package,
so
it
shouldn't
be
that
onerous
on
top
on
the
utility
companies
they
need
to
submit
an
application
regardless
because
they
require
a
municipal
consent.
So
all
we're
asking
to
do
is
to
check
off
a
few
more
boxes.
I'll.
H
Put
through
you
through
the
speaker,
I
am
concerned
that
it
says
any
above-ground
plant
and
that's
quite
deliberate
in
nature,
because
the
it's
the
the
footprint
or
the
size
has
been
removed
from
this
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
consulted
with,
say
somebody
like
Toronto
Hydro,
where
they're
not
able
to
put
bushes
around
utility
boxes
for
technical
safety
reasons
to
do
with
the
underground
wires.
Your.
M
I
can
answer
that
madam
Speaker
I
would
say
that,
in
my
conversations
with
the
government
relations
folks
at
the
utility
companies
and
I've
spoken
to
just
about
all
of
them,
they've
pretty
much
said
we'll
be
able
to
do
what
you
asked,
but
no
one's
ever
asked
us,
meaning
that
municipalities
haven't
gone
the
distance
to
ensure
that
what
they
do
is
going
to
be
aesthetically
pleasing,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
it
could
perhaps
meet
septa
septet
requirements
and
even
AODA
compliance.
These
have
been
asked.
Thank
you.
L
Speaker
I
rise
in
support
of
the
recommendations
that
are
here
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
my
colleagues
have
done.
Take
it
accounts
for
a
long
time.
We're
last
comment
in
response
to
a
question
that
they
hasn't
been
I
haven't
been
asked.
I,
don't
think,
is
quite
fair
for
all
of
them,
because
when
the
gas
company
started
raising
their
meters
up
in
front
of
the
buildings,
we
took
that
on
on
many
occasions,
because
of
how
ugly
it
was
and
how
disrespectful
it
seemed
because
they
said
that's
where
we
have
to
put
our
plan
for
safety
reasons.
L
And
now
our
streets
are
littered
kind
of
building.
After
building
after
building
with
these
stupid
rusting
pipes
coming
out
because
they
couldn't
or
wouldn't
find
any
way
to
do,
a
better
job.
When
we
look
to
improve
Yonge
and
Eglinton
as
an
example,
they
look
to
make
a
look
terrible.
We
put
in
plants
they
put
in
rusted
equipment
and
then,
when
they
wanted
to
protect
that
they
put
bollards
around
it,
and
all
of
our
utilities
want
to
be
owned,
are
sometimes
also
guilty
of
not
doing
their
best,
and
we
can
do
better
and
councillor
Holliday.
L
If
I
could
have
staffs
attention,
we
could
do
better
because
we
also
permit
telecommunications
equipment
to
go
into
our
right-of-ways,
some
of
them
under
transportation
and
not
under
the
current
management,
but-
and
my
colleague
is
Ward
up
in
York,
Mills
and
baviaan
right
next
to
a
park.
It
is
littered
with
these
pieces
of
poles
going
up
and
telecommunications
Cellular
the
broadcast
units
on
the
side
of
the
road.
It's
the
ugliest
thing,
I've
ever
seen.
L
I
have
the
same
thing
up
in
don
mills
north
of
finch,
where
we
allow
them
to
go
on
a
boulevard
or
a
park,
and
we
didn't
put
any
controls
in
to
try
and
make
it
look
better.
There
are
times
we
did
for
highway,
401
ramps
in
Leslie,
Street
and
everything
got
hidden
inside
a
cylindrical
pole,
so
it
almost
looks
like
a
tall
flagpole
going
up
and
you
don't
see
it
so
I
simply
rise
because
I'm
glad
we
have
a
policy
for
others
and
how
we
want
to
monitor
them.
L
I
just
hope
we
can
do
a
better
job
ourselves
when
we
are
asked
or
permitting
the
placement
of
equipment
on
our
roadways
between
our
own
utility,
between
our
transportation
divisions
and
also
with
our
house
company,
who
also
permits
up
on
their
rooftops
a
lot
of
equipment,
and
that
could
look
nicer
too
and
often
time
the
care
and
attention
to
the
detail
of
those
areas
aren't
given
by
us.
So
we're
asking
others
to
do
better
and
we're
going
to
monitor
them.
L
A
A
A
N
A
I
This
is
a
riveting
one,
so
I'm
glad
you're.
Here
we
talked
a
bit
about
this
at
public
works
so
on
on
the
road
murals,
and
my
concern
is
during
the
Pan
Am
Games
I,
witness
cabinets
being
painted
beautifully
by
artists
and
not
staying
being
preserved
and
not
being
affected
by
the
elements,
but
the
things
I
saw
painted
on
your
water.
What
do
you
call
them?
Your
covers
mate.
P
I
Thank
you.
Those
seem
to
disintegrate
very
quickly
and
paint
seem
to
be
all
over
the
sidewalk
and,
and
so
my
question
to
you
at
Public,
Works
was
I'm
just
concerned
a
little
bit
about.
Is
there
environmental
impacts
and
if
the
paint
all
chips
off
these
things,
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
wall,
wall
or
cabinets?
But
these
things
that
are
on
our
streets
does
that
it
have
an
impact
on
our
waterways
and
our
and
our
systems.
N
I
N
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
with
respect
to
that
paint
what
the
paint
that
they
use
and
once
it's
it's
dried
itself
is
not
toxic,
but
it
does
flake
off
and
end
up
going
into
smaller
and
tiny
pieces.
So
it
doesn't
completely
dissolve.
It
remains
as
tiny
particles
which,
if
it's
placed
on
a
stormwater
catch
basin,
will
end
up
in
and
our
creeks
and
rivers,
and
so
it
does
find
its
way
into
the
open
environment.
A.
I
A
K
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
we
we
do
use
paint
appropriate
for
the
road
surface.
It
certainly
is
subject
to
the
wear
and
tear
of
vehicles
driving
over
it.
The
number
that
we
are
proposing
to
do
is
quite
small,
so,
while
certainly
there
would
be
the
impacts
generally
of
paint,
as
Lou
mentioned
it
dries
and
flakes,
but
in
general
it
is
meets
the
environmental
standards
that
we
use
for
other
road
surface
treatments
and
and
it's
a
relatively
small
number
of
installations,
so
integral.
K
O
You
we
use
paint,
we
use,
thermoplasty
use
all
different
types
of
materials
on
the
road,
there's
always
a
balance
in
terms
of
environmental
impacts
and
duration
of
the
materials,
because
there's
impacts
of
coming
back
frequently
to
apply
it
as
well.
And
so
we
do
review
those
materials
on
a
regular
basis
and
look
to
have
to
use
those
that
have
the
least
arm
and
impact.
So.
K
Just
to
us,
mr.
DCM
acting
DCM
that
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
the
division
uses
on
the
roads,
striping
zebra
stripes
everything
number
of
things,
yellow
paint
they've
been
approved
for
use.
Do
they
all
break
down
in
the
same
way?
Could
some
of
that
be
getting
into
the
water
system
as
well?
Are.
N
You,
my
speaker,
yes,
there's
a
number
of
contaminants
that
end
up
in
our
waterways,
from
materials
that
we
use
and
during
construction
as
well
as
permanent
placement.
We
were
just
indicating
that
it
was
not
toxic,
but
you
will
get
a
breakdown
of
any
particulate
that
we
put
on
roadways
and
then
ends
up
in
catch
basins.
Just
be
aware,.
K
N
K
N
K
K
N
K
K
K
A
H
H
R
H
H
O
Don't
know
the
humano
speaker,
I,
don't
know
the
specific
type
of
paint.
The
paint
that
we
would
use
would
be
an
approved
type
of
paint
treatment
that
we
would
use
on
a
road
surface,
with
the
knowledge
that
it's
not
going
to
be
as
robust
as
thermoplastic.
That's
gonna
last
for
much
longer
the
part
of
the
challenge
and
the
road
murals
their
temporary
nature
is
that
they
are
impacted
by
vehicles
driving
over
them.
Yes,
would.
H
H
H
To
a
year
six
months
to
a
year,
so
okay,
so
through
a
few
seasons
depending
I
guess
if
it's
winter
or
not
in
your
report,
did
you
find
any
any
other
benefits
with
respect
to
safety
or
speed
reduction?
No.
O
We
did
not
find
measurable
benefits
with
regard
to
safety.
We
did
find
certainly
enthusiasm
around
the
community's
response
to
doing
these
murals
and
found
that
we
were
able
to
have
them
happen
at
a
time
when
the
road
was
already
closed
for
other
street
events,
so
it
was
really
much
more
of
a
community
event.
It.
H
H
H
I
A
A
I
Okay,
we
we
talked
about
this,
and
our
thought
was
that
if
the
community
wanted
to
engage
that
they'd
be
happy
to
raise
the
money
or
take
up
little
donations
or
go
to
local
shops
and
innkeepers
to
bring
their
portion
to
the
table.
So
it
was
a
bit
of
a
joint
initiative,
the
city
providing
the
support,
in-kind
support
and
the
community
rolling
up
their
sleeves
and
being
invested
and
and
paying
this
portion.
K
So
I
actually
think
this
is
better
for
the
things
that
your
concern
boat,
chair,
because
it's
very
clear
that
we're
going
to
establish
the
paints
and
then
the
brushes
and
everything.
That's
fine.
I
also
think
this
allows
poorer
communities,
Toronto,
Community,
Housing
communities,
those
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
resources
that
want
to
have
painting.
They
now
have
access
it.
So
if
people
want
to
buy
their
own
paint,
they
have
to
buy
a
certain
type.
Does
Digory
I'm
answering.
A
I
K
J
K
Asked
if
20
would
be
onerous
and
they
said
no,
so
this
is
the
original
staff
rec
to
make
sure
everybody
has
equal
access
and
to
make
sure,
particularly
in
this
time,
councilor
with
our
situation
on
Yonge
Street
many
things
going
on
that
people
have
a
chance
to
express
their
love
for
the
city
and
their
neighborhoods
on
the
streets.
So,
okay.
A
A
H
Questions
yes,
of
course,
I
think
you
speaker
through
you
to
the
councillor
I
wondered
if
the
counselor
was
aware
that
there's
a
fairly
rigorous
process
around
getting
a
permit
and
approval
and
assembling
a
group
of
people
and
creating
a
design
getting
that
approved
to
actually
getting
one
of
these
street
murals
created
it's
a
fairly
extensive
process.
Would
you
agree
or
would
you
appreciate
I.
K
Would
not
agree
that
it's
that
expensive,
it's
not
as
if
these
are
wall
murals
that
have
to
meet
a
certain
stand.
It's
not
the
same
as
a
wall
mural
that
has
to
have
a
committee
to
vet.
What's
going
to
go
up
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
standard
of
art,
it
does
have
somebody
here
who
would
be
able
to
help
design.
So
it's
a
pretty
professional-looking
design
and
we're
ensuring
everybody
has
equal
access.
So,
in
my
mind,
councilor,
it's
not
onerous.
Did
you
go.