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City Council, meeting 13, December 17, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
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A
C
A
B
A
H
And
why
eleven
point
two
eight
application
remove
our
city
tree
to
20,
st.
Germain
Avenue,
and
you
can
see
the
amended
ones
just
taking
out
the
word:
buy
annuals
just
to
engage
and
accepted
for
the
cultural
price.
Supposedly,
if
you
prune
too
much
the
nuts
grow
like
crazy,
so
you
can't
prove
too
much
as
I
would.
A
I
K
D
E
N
A
A
A
O
P
P
M
M
N
Yes
master,
it's
urgent
that
we
release
the
funds
in
this
motion
in
this
council
session,
because
there
are
contractors
willing
to
work
on
this
over
the
holidays,
to
create
a
youth
space
for
a
youth
leadership
that
have
been
working
on
a
site
in
an
area
where
Jeremy
Vincent
urban
RB
know
was
murdered.
Last
week,
the
people
who
want
this
youth
space
will
be
attending
his
funeral
tomorrow.
A
Q
You,
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
the
mayor
mayor,
I,
realized
that
we
need
to
increase
money
and
and
get
more
money
in
our
coffers
in
order
to
look
after
transportation
to
look
after
city
building
and
all
that
stuff
I
reached
out
to
my
constituents.
64%
of
them
did
not
approve
of
this,
so
my
my
question
is:
I
need
to
go
back
to
my
constituents
and
say:
look
yes,
we're
getting
our
fair
share
of
income.
So
there's
one
item
in
our
part
of
the
world
which
is
called
the
Sheppard
subway.
Q
We
don't
talk
about
this
much,
but
is
there
a
some
sort
of
something
that
I
can
take
back
to
my
decisions
say?
Yes,
when
you
know
part
of
the
city
building
will
be
part
of
the
Sheppard
subway.
We
brought
a
motion
in
that
we
going
to
reach
out
to
the
federal
government,
the
provincial
government,
in
order
to
do
this.
So
is
this
is
part
of
this
money?
Q
Can
we
think
about
when
it
comes
to,
and
the
federal
and
the
provincial
government
say
yes,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
Sheppard
subway
that
we
can
dedicate
some
of
this
money
should
be
it
at
a
an
EI
like
an
environmental
assessment
or
something
else
in
order
to
help
build
that
area
and
our
constituents
can
feel
part
of
the
city.
Is
there
something
in
your
mind
that
I
can
share
with
them?
Well,.
G
But
I
can
certainly
say
that,
as
has
been
the
case
with
a
number
of
other
projects,
we've
begun
discussions
with
the
other
governments
on,
because
we
simply
can't
stand
still
that
that
is
on
the
list
of
things
that
we're
going
to
be
advocating
to
them
about,
along
with
other
important
projects
in
Scarborough,
downtown
and
elsewhere
that
the
list
agreed
to
if
the
province
is
not
meant
to
be
a
list
for
all
time.
It
is
not
meant
to
be
the
only
list.
G
A
A
C
C
R
Through
the
through
the
chair
counselor,
those
revenues
are
not
recruit
because
they're
essentially
waived
as
opposed
to
deferred,
in
addition,
through
the
open
door
program
over
the
years,
and
also
now,
through
the
city's
housing,
now
initiative
we're
making
land
available
at
below
market
values.
So
that's
also
an
input
that
the
city
provides
as.
C
R
R
P
E
P
P
Would
you
say
that
that
that
the
665
loans
that
were
put
out
in
2018
that
helped
keep
665
individual
house
and
from
falling
into
shelters
and
homelessness?
Yes,
I
would
agree
with
you
there
counselor,
so
that
program
is
successful,
a
very
successful
program,
yes,
and
with
respect
to
the
trustee
ship
program
that
is
also
administered
by
the
neighborhood
information
post.
P
The
is
it
true
that
the
the
the
sustainable
workload
for
a
administrator
for
that
program
at
that
caseload
probably
not
exceed
50
cases
per
full-time
employee.
Yes,
that
is
correct
and
if
we
have
and
if
we're
not
able
to
administer
the
the
trustee
program
because
it
might
be
oversubscribed-
or
perhaps
there
isn't
enough
employees
to
administer
that
that
there
may
be
individuals
who
who
don't
get
access
to
that
program.
E
P
My
understanding
is
that
the
trustee
ship
program
provides
low-income
individuals
with
financial
management
support.
Therefore,
the
checks
that
they
would
receive
from
perhaps
government
works
Ontario
works
that
they
would
actually
take
those
funds
and
pay
the
landlord
directly
to
ensure
that
the
the
funds
are
delivered
to
the
landlord
so
that
they
that
individual,
low-income
is
to
admit,
remain
housed.
Yes,.
P
If,
if
the
caseload
of
the
workers
perhaps
is
is,
is
too
large
and
they
can't
get
to
some
of
the
more
complicated
cases
there
may
be,
individuals
have
fallen
to
a
waitlist
that
perhaps
doesn't
get
adequate
service.
Is
that
is
that
a
possibility?
Yes,
it
is
against
lured
by
by
ensuring
that
there
is
enough
staff
persons
working
through
that
program.
Once
again,
it's
a
program
that
that
diverts
people
away
from
homelessness
and
the
shelters.
Is
that
not
correct
I'm?
Sorry,
counselor.
P
P
Rent
back
program,
as
well
as
the
the
trustee
program,
these
are
citywide
programs.
Is
that
not
correct?
Yes,
it
is
and
and
the
neighborhood
information
post
that
provides
a
citywide
program.
Their
job
is
to
do
everything
they
can
to
keep
people
from
falling
into
homelessness
and
staying
out
of
the
shelters.
We.
E
P
If,
and
would
you
say
that
these
are
programs
that
are
largely
successful
so
far,
yes,
very
successful,
and
if
we
were
to
do
more
to
support
these
programs
to
enhance
their
reach
and
perhaps
expand
the
reach?
Would
it
be?
Would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
divert
more
people
away
from
shelters
and
homelessness
by
by
investing
in
the
programs
that
already
worked
in
the
City
of
Toronto?
You.
E
Raise
a
really
great
point:
councilor
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
make
sure
is
that
we
are
supporting
programs
that
create
best
practice.
That's
why
we've
put
this
program
under
review
so
that
any
recommendations
that
we
make
are
based
in
the
evidence
that
the
outcomes
that
we
get
are
in
fact
as
positive
as
they
seem
great
and.
P
E
S
Thank
you
very
much,
two
questions,
one
just
to
start
off
this.
This
notion
of
how
long
the
affordability
period
is
has
come
up
in
in
the
debate
units
that
are
affordable
for
the
ninety
nine
year
term
have
classically
been
a
bit
more
expensive,
correct
than
units
that
are
secured
for
a
shorter
period
through.
R
S
R
The
chair
for
the
longer
affordability
period,
what
we
have
generally
added
is
an
additional
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars,
which
has
come
generally
from
a
federal
provincial
source
as
opposed
to
a
city
or
a
municipal
source.
So
you're
now
up
to
about
two
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
S
R
Through
Charak
I
can't
specifically
recall
a
$90,000
number,
but
that
would
essentially
be
somewhere
just
above
what
the
city
incentives
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
through
the
open
door
program,
we
also
make
available
through
the
development
charge,
reserve
account
for
subsidized
housing,
a
grant
of
in
the
range
of
about
ten
to
twenty
thousand
dollars.
So,
if
that
you
take
the
seventy
three
and
you
add,
the
grant
from
the
subsidized
housing
fund,
you're
in
the
range
of
between
85
to
95
thousand
dollars,.
R
The
chair
in
the
past,
because
we've
been
able
to
stack
the
federal
provincial
grants
of
150
thousand
dollars
and
achieve
two
hundred
to
two
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
of
assistance.
We've
been
able
to
achieve
the
longer
affordability
and
generally,
those
are
the
kinds
of
subsidies
the
the
nonprofit
housing
sector
has
required
in
order
to
build,
because
the
construction
cost
for
a
units
a
day
are
in
the
range
of
400
to
500
thousand
dollars.
A
unit
can.
S
We
get
into
what
what
is
what
is
existing,
what
is
new
and
what
we're
asking
the
federal
government
for
and
provincial
government
so
existing
the
number-
that's
that
stated
in
the
report,
I
believe,
is
5.5
billion
dollars
its
existing
investment
over
the
next
10
years.
Through
the
true,
that's
correct,
that's
correct!
So
the
ant
can
we
go
through
each
component
of
it.
Housing
now
is
how
much
of
the
existing.
R
S
R
A
O
E
O
I've
heard
181,000
in
the
past:
where
did
that
number?
Come
it's
a
reasonable
number?
Okay,
so
a
hundred
thousand
households,
some
we're
around
180,000
people
is
that
list
exhaustive
of
everybody
in
the
city
who
needs
a
subsidized,
affordable
housing
or
those
just
people
who
happen
to
be
on
the
list.
Those
are
the
people
on
the
list.
Okay,
so
the
need
could
be
greater.
Yes,
okay,
under
our
new
housing
plan
here,
and
maybe
this
is
back
to
Shawn.
Forgive
me
how
many
units
are
we
talking
about
creating
of
subsidized,
affordable
housing
over
the
next
ten
years.
R
R
And
I
say
that
through
the
chair,
because
there
are
instances
where
persons
may
because
of
their
circumstances,
emergency
persons
that
are
homeless
may
not
be
on
the
list,
but
they
but
otherwise
qualify.
There
are
also
other
lists
that
are
maintained,
particularly
lists
for
supportive
housing
that
are
separate
and
distinct
from
our
own
list,
and
we
wouldn't
want
to
exclude
those
individuals
so
I.
O
Guess
a
question
I
had
so
if
we
have
a
hundred
thousand
households
on
the
waiting
list
and
our
ten
year
plan
calls
for
the
creation
of
forty
thousand
households,
are
we
expecting
that
those
other
60,000
households
will
no
longer
be
on
the
list?
Or
are
we
just
anticipating
that
our
housing
plan
will
continue
to
have
a
waiting
list
of
60,000
people
through.
R
It
is
a
challenge,
as
you
can
imagine,
to
build
new
housing,
that's
affordable
within
Toronto's
housing
market,
but
also,
as
you
know,
there
are
a
range
of
requirements
to
actually
get
the
approvals
to
build
that
housing.
The
plan
contemplates
that
there
would
be
income
supports
through
the
Canada
Ontario
Housing
Program
and
benefit,
which
will
start
in
April
of
next
year,
and
so
in
addition
to
the
building
and
the
construction,
there
are
income
supports
that
are
required
for
people,
and
the
plan
proposes
40,000
households
to
be
assisted
in
that
way.
R
O
Okay,
so
we're
talking
about
40,000
new
units
built
40,000
households
accessing
income
supports
to
access
housing
through
other
levels
of
government
that
other
40,000
that
still
leaves
20,000
households
not
covered.
So
I
guess
the
question
I'm
just
asking
is:
why
does
our
10-year
plan
not
account
for
getting
everybody
off
the
waiting
list,
who's
on
the
waiting
list?
What
why
aren't
we
accounting
for
a
hundred
thousand
people,
as
opposed
to
only
40,000
new
40,000
income
supports
and
a
gap
of
20,000
people
and
that's
assuming
need
doesn't
grow?
R
L
R
L
I'm
just
going
to
ask
the
city
manager
or
the
deputy
city
manager,
there's
a
thousand
vacant
Toronto
Community
Housing
Apartments
that
aren't
being
held
back
that
aren't
for
relocation
or
there's
no
capital
work.
What
are
we
doing
as
a
city
to
fill
those
1,000
to
make
sure
they
are
filled?
That's
a
thousand
units
sitting
empty
I,
don't
know
who
to
answer
who
can
answer
that.
E
Ajay
can
augment,
but
we
are
working
very
closely
with
TC
HC
I'm
filling
their
vacant
units.
Some
of
the
challenges
are,
there's
a
number
of
them.
My
understanding
are
Bachelor
units
and
it's
taking
us
a
little
more
time
to
get
those
fills,
but
we've
reviewed
our
processes
so
that
we
can
accelerate
getting
those
units
filled.
There
are
some
units
that
are
scheduled
are
vacant
because
there's
refights
going
on
or
they're
scheduled
to
no
I'm.
L
A
E
We
have
been
working
very
closely
with
TC
HC
I
am
happy
to
report.
Their
vacancy
rate
has
decreased
over
the
last
few
months,
we're
working
closely
with
them
to
make
sure
that
they
are
filling
those
vacancies
on
coming
back
to
meeting
their
service
level
that
they
have
with
the
city
of
Toronto.
We
are
preparing
quarterly
reports
that
go
forward
to
economic
and
development
committee,
each
quarter
to
report
on
our
progress
on
the
centralized
waitlist
audit,
but
also
on
TCH
C's
ability
to
fill
their
vacancies.
You.
L
Could
just
bring
the
board
reports
forward
to
the
same
committee,
though?
Couldn't
you
that
show
the
vacancies
I
might
move
that
today.
Thank
you
for
air
B&B
I'm,
going
to
ask
the
deputy
city
manager
this
apparently
there's
about
6,000
units
that
are
now
what
we're
going
to
call
illegal.
When
will
the
implementation
take
place
for
the
enforcement
that
those
will
now
come
out
into
the
rental
market?
So.
N
E
L
E
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
just
to
be
clear,
the
regulation
governing
air
B&B
allows
for
gives
permission
for
the
use
of
short
term
rental
purposes
under
certain
guidelines.
I've
spoken
with
MLS
staff
I'm
advised
that
by
the
summer
2020
they
anticipate
the
technology
solution
necessary
to
facilitate
the
the
property
registration
will
be
implemented
in
the
meanwhile.
Mls
has
continued
to
enforce
on
a
complaint
basis,
and
my
understanding
is.
They
have
had
a
very
positive
response
from
Airbnb
being
one
of
the
largest
short-term
rental
platforms
in
responding
to
issues
so.
L
So
we
don't
know
all
right.
The
next
thing
is
actually
to
mr.
Godin
I
noticed
in
the
report
that
there
are.
There
were
six
thousand
roughly
the
same
number
of
illegal
air
B&B
of
places,
but
there
are
six
thousand
people
that
were
part
of
the
consultation.
Do
you
happen
to
know
how
many
were
part
of
the
previous
housing
Toronto
housing
plan
consultation?
Is
that
high
low,
or
is
that
just
about
standard
for
the
number
of
people
that
would
be
involved
through.
L
L
R
D
Madam
Speaker
I
think
it's
through
you
too.
Mr.
garden
I
just
wanted
to
continue
on
some
of
the
questions
from
councillor
Matt
low.
His
questions
talked
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
funding
arrangements
for
fordable
housing.
You
know
paraphrase
if
I
remember
quickly
from
the
start
of
the
questions.
The
first
was
the
funded,
affordable
housing
through
the
deferral
or
forgiveness
of
property
taxes,
development
charges
and
through
different
supply
arrangements
of
land
at
below-market
cost
that
I
capture.
That
correctly,
that's.
D
R
The
chair
think
overtime
mcourser
the
next
ten
years.
The
city
should
be
assessing
how
it
can
achieve
affordability
in
these
arrangements,
and
we
have
not
proposed
any
dramatic
change
to
the
way
we're
currently
doing
business.
But
it
is
something
that
we
need
to
keep
an
eye
on
recognizing
the
construction
costs
in
Toronto
Drive.
The
overall
project
costs,
which
then
result
in
less
affordability
right.
D
So
I,
you
know
at
some
point
we're
gonna
run
out
of
land
and
at
some
point
you
know,
development
charges
are
only
worth
so
much
per
unit.
I
came
from
what
it
is
60
or
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
amortized
that
out,
you
know,
how
does
the
math
work
you
know?
How
will
we
raise
the
money
to
support
such
a
large
endeavor?
It's
pretty
ambitious,
I
think
you
would
agree
that
we're
pursuing
20,000
units,
so
is
there
any
sense
on
how
we're
going
to
fulfill
those
obligations?
D
R
You
through
the
chair,
one
of
the
mechanisms
that's
been
available
to
the
city
and
the
cities
across
the
country
has
been
through
the
National
Housing
Strategy.
The
federal
government
through
Canada,
Mortgage
and
Housing
Corporation,
is
making
available
low-cost
loans
and
also
grants
to
nonprofit
and
cooperative
housing
organizations.
So
the
plan
particularly
relies
on
a
continuation
of
programs
that
both
the
federal
and
provincial
governments
have
or
could
make
available
into
the
future
so
that
we're
not
simply
going
alone.
R
D
The
construction
of
the
unis
and
do
we
have
any
sense
on
how
what
the
lifespan
is
on
these
in
some
arrangements,
I
understand,
you
know,
there's
a
fixed
period
of
time,
there's
a
benefit
provided
to
the
person
that
develops
the
project.
That's
amortized
out
over
the
over
a
fixed
period
of
time
and
the
savings
or
the
that
benefit
transfer
then
results
in
a
reduced
level
of
rent
or
mortgage
for
the
individual.
What
happens
over
the
longer
term?
What
happens
after
15
years
and
the
person's
living
in
the
home
and
says?
D
R
Through
it,
through
the
chair,
as
it's
being
discussed
earlier
and
I
mentioned
in
a
response
to
councilor
Matt
Lowe,
we've
extended
the
affordability
periods
to
a
minimum
of
30
years.
The
committee
and
the
recommendation
before
council
today
is
that
we
extend
that,
where
possible
in
perpetuity,
and
so
these
are
arrangements
going
forward
that
we'll
be
discussing
with
our
nonprofit
and
private
organisations
insofar
as
achieving
those
much
longer
affordability
periods,
I
will
say
one
other
thing
in
response
as
well.
D
And
in
there
there's
some
discussion
about
redefining
what
affordability
is
I
understand.
Now
it's
a
formula
that
it
basically
represents
an
amount
slightly
less
than
the
average
market
rent
but
I
seem
to
recall
in
the
report.
It
was
some
discussion
about
setting
it
at
30
percent
of
the
individual
or
the
individual
households,
income
and
I
wondered
in
the
few
seconds
that
I've
got
left
that
if
we
revisited
this
concept
of
affordability,
that
represents
a
very
large
difference
in
dollars.
How
on
earth
would
we
ever
pay
for
this
in
in
consideration?
D
R
The
chairs,
what
we
heard
during
the
consultation
period,
was
that
on
average
today,
a
two-bedroom
apartment
is
renting
at
about
$1,500
and
the
city,
through
our
current
definition,
defines
that
as
affordable.
What
the
community
and
the
people
we
spoke
to
said,
was
that
affordability
needed
to
be
a
band
across
rent
levels
and
income
levels
so
that
we
were
getting
a
mix
of
residents
as
opposed
to
all
of
the
two
bedrooms
being
at
$1,500,
and
so
as
a
part
of
this
program.
R
We're
gonna
look
to
achieve
that
through
a
number
of
other
government
programs
like
the
Canada,
Ontario,
Housing,
Benefit
and
as
well.
We
will
reporting
to
Council
and
to
the
public
on
how
well
we
do
in
reaching
a
range
of
incomes
as
opposed
to
here's,
the
definition
and
it's
okay.
If
it
rents
to
$1,500-
and
you
know,
our
job
will
be
done,
people
have
told
us-
that's
not
good
enough.
Thank.
H
R
R
H
R
H
Question
in
terms
of
finding
ways
the
means
of
building
more
affordable
housing,
I
know
we
brought
forth
those
11
properties.
Earlier
this
year,
have
we
ever
examined
the
possibility
of
increasing
density
or
housing
on
top
of
the
the
old
city
of
York,
City
Hall,
for
instance,
Scarborough
City
Center
excuse.
A
R
Through
the
chair,
I
can't
say
I'm
familiar
with
the
fact
that
those
sites
are
being
evaluated
by
our
real
estate
folks,
and
we
are
also
as
a
part
of
our
work
through
the
housing
now
initiative,
working
with
create
tÃo
and
our
real
estate
folks
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
sites
of
the
city
are
being
maximized
within
our
real
estate
strategy.
So.
H
R
H
N
T
So
all
the
conversations
that
I've
had
with
people
that
are
built
housing
suggest
that
to
create
a
unit
you
know
with
the
average
one
to
two-bedroom
unit
and
averaging
it
out
across
the
city,
because
there
are
different
costs
across
the
city
of
Toronto,
it's
somewhere
between
400
and
450
thousand
dollars
a
unit.
Would
you
agree
or
disagree
with
that?
Counselor.
T
Sorry,
I
missed
that
there
I
was
I,
wasn't
paying
as
close
attention
as
I
could
at
night
night
and
I'm.
Sorry,
if,
if
I'm
sounding
repetitive
so
I
multiply,
I
take
the
low
end
and
I
multiply
40,000
times
400,000
and
I
get
16
billion,
that's
what
it
equals
right.
So
so
it
would
take
roughly
about
16
billion
dollars
to
create
40,000
units.
So
what
would
be
our
share
of
that
16
billion
through.
R
R
T
About
two
billion
dollars
would
be
our
equity
contribution
to
creating
this
housing
and,
yes,
they
get
left
with
with
mortgages
and,
yes,
there
would
be
rents
and
yes,
there
would
be.
There
would
be
some
monies
accruing
to
the
city.
So
so
now
we
make
a
two
billion
dollar
country
equity
contribution
to
creating
40,000
units
and
the
40,000
units
in
large
part
I
understand
there
will
be
housing
that
will
be
created
under
different
models
but
in
large
part
there'll
be
40,000
units
that
will
come
available
to
to
Torontonians
at
around
80%
of
market
value.
R
The
chair
we've
actually
moved
away
from
the
market
value
approach
in
this
report
and
suggested
that
it
would
be
based
really
on
a
range
of
incomes
that
people
could
afford
to
pay
based
on
30
percent
of
their
income
right,
but
at
a
certain
point,
you're
correct
that
there
will
be
an
average
across
the
whole
building,
whether
it
be
50,
60
70,
80
%,
the
deeper
we
get
the
better.
But
as
councillor
Holliday
has
pointed
out,
you
need
to
invest
more
public
money,
so.
C
Evaluation
in
no
way
am
I,
suggesting
that
I
know
that
this
is
the
wrong
way
to
go.
This
might
be
the
right
way
to
go
in
fact,
I
assume
in
suspect
that
by
deferring
development
charges
and
taxes,
it
is
a
creative
way
on
the
architects
part
to
as
they
you
know
would
often
say,
put
skin
of
the
game
so
that
we
can
and
sent
other
orders
of
government
to
come
in
matches
and
the
I
am
I'm
positive.
That
there's
been
a
lot
of
thought
put
into
that
strategy.
That
being
said,
though,
it
is
unproven.
C
And
frankly,
if
the,
if
those
who
brought
this
action
plan
to
us,
are
confident
in
the
plan,
then
there
should
be
no
fear
whatsoever
to
support
a
value
for
money
evaluation
and
then,
of
course,
that
report
will
support
their
their
proposal
without
a
doubt
with
respect
to
rank
control.
When
we
don't
have
rent
control,
everything
in
the
RTA
is
moved
all
the
protections
for
tenants
don't
exist.
C
You'll
worry
if
you're
a
tenant.
What
if
I,
complain?
What,
if
I
complain
that
there's
mice
in
my
unit
well
their
landlord
now
just
just
up
my
rent
by
a
few
hundred
dollars?
What,
if
I,
have
something
to
complain
about
something
something
broken
in
my
units?
Do
I
just
stay
quiet
or
am
I
able
to
use
the
rights
that
are
in
the
Residential
Tenancies
Act?
Maybe
I'll
stay
quiet
because
I
don't
want
my
landlord
to
up
my
rent.
Another
$500
Doug
Ford
cancels
a
lot
of
things.
C
We,
as
a
council
and
our
mayor
have
said
that
we
disagree
with
what
Doug
Ford
did
when
he
rolled
back
rent
control.
So
how
on
earth
and
how,
in
good
conscience,
can
we
approve
a
plan
with
public
lands
that
we
own
on
behalf
of
Torontonians
and
not
impose
rent
control?
We
have
an
opportunity
to
do
so.
C
C
Think
the
majority
of
members
of
council
do
too,
but
sometimes
there
are
just
these
blind
spots
that
that
need
to
be
addressed,
and
if
we
move
forward
with
allowing
these
lands
to
slip
out
of
the
realm
of
our
control,
even
if
we
continue
to
own
them
without
doing
what
we
can
now
to
ensure
that
those
rights
are
protected,
we're
going
to
miss
that
opportunity
on
their
behalf,
and
also,
even
though
we
think
this
strategy
is
good.
We
don't
know
this
strategy
is
good,
think
about
the
last
30
years.
I
C
As
you
recall,
I
hope,
I
hope
to
draft
that
with
you
and
in
others,
and
so
as
I
understand
our
intent.
The
big
difference
is
this:
that
was
folk
Stan
Landes
that
we
had
already
approved
an
RFP
is
moving
forward.
This
did
not
consider
a
proposed
action
plan
that
we
hadn't,
even
at
least
publicly
conceived
of
yet
so
I
wonder
what
I
want
to
ensure
of
is
before.
We
approve
this
plan,
but
we
are
not
just
thinking
about
or
considering
maybe
imposing
rent
control,
but
that
this
is
part
and
parcel
of
this
plan.
I
You
aware
that
any
lands
required
through
this
plan
are
gonna
have
to
go
through
an
RFP,
and
so
the
the
motion
that
was
placed
last
month,
which
the
data
and
the
report
on
the
impact
coming
in
January
affect
everything
moving
forward,
so
that
we
can
make
a
decision
with
the
evidence
in
front
of
us
on
this
issue,
and
we
we
we
did
not.
We
did
not
actually
just
ask
for
what
was
the
11
sites,
but
any
sites
in
the
future
asking
for
incentives
or
any
lands
in
the
future.
When.
C
We
brokered
the
the
way
that
was
written
at
the
time.
That,
admittedly,
though,
was
in
response
to
our
concerns
regarding
moving
forward
with
those
sites
without
rain
control
on
the
evidence
is
already
clear,
though,
before
we
even
approve
this,
though,
that
if
we
don't
have
rent
control
on
any
sites,
moving
forward,
that
we
will
leave
these
tenants
on
their
own
in
a
way
that
I,
don't
believe
any
of
us
want
to
do
so.
You
know.
I
C
I
I
guess
the
the
fairest
way
to
say
it
is
that
I'm
interested
in
reading
that
report,
but
you
know
I
was
really
I
was
willing
to
relent
at
that
time
after
a
discussion
with
Mara
Torre
that
that
I
was
willing
to
say
okay,
let's
ask
for
the
report
here,
but
but
do
I
need
more
evidence
at
this
point.
You
don't
need
more
I'm
convinced
that
rent
control
is
important
to
have
to
protect
these
days.
No.
C
I
C
Appreciate
that
it
was
circulated
by
divisions,
yeah,
thank
you.
Well,
if
I
may
just
answer
your
question
and
I
just
haven't
responded
yet,
but
what
it
hasn't
done,
what
we
don't
know
and
I
don't
and
I,
don't
see
it
in
front
of
us.
It's
a
value
from
any
assessment
of
whether
or
not
the
best
way
to
achieve
the
best.
The
the
greatest
number
of
affordable
units
with
every
dollar
we
either
have
now
or
will
have
tomorrow,
is
through
deferred
these
seeds
and
okay.
K
K
C
Don't
I
mean
I,
admittedly,
I
wouldn't
ask
for
this.
If
I
knew
exactly
what
I
was
gonna
get
back
but
I'll
give
you
examples.
Just
to
you
know
to
entertain.
One
is
maybe
they'll
come
back
and
they'll
say
this
strategy
is
dead
on
and
this
is
the
best
way
to
go.
This
is
the
best
value
for
money.
Maybe
they'll
say
you
sell
a
portion
of
land
and
you
reinvest
that
into
a
building
adjacent
to
it
and
then
you're
able
to
build
a
more
units
yourself.
Maybe
there's
a
plan
where
you
you
invest
more.
C
You
know
cash
now
upfront
so
that
it
might
be
cheaper
in
the
long
run.
I,
don't
know
what
they'll
say,
but
I
just
don't
know
for
a
fact
that
deferring
dc's
and
property
taxes
is
overall
going
to
be
the
most
effective
way
to
use
each
one
of
those
tax
dollars
to
build
the
greatest
number
of
properties.
Now,
maybe
it
will
be,
and
I
just
want
to
make
this
vertically
R.
In
no
way
am
I
bashing
this
plan.
This
plan
may
be
wonderful,
I,
I,
just
don't
know
without
that
assessment.
What.
K
Do
you
think
the
premise
of
the
plan
was
based
on
they?
They
talked
to
6,000
people
years
of
consultation,
work
with
the
development
community
work
with
advocacy
communities
renters
folks
from
across
the
entire
spectrum
here
in
the
city.
How
do
you
think
they
arrived
at
this
plan
if
they
weren't
considering
the
most
effective
way
and
the
most
feasible
way
to
actually
deliver
housing
here?
I
you.
C
Know
I
can't
speak
for
the
minds
of
those
who
worked
on
it.
I
can
only
assume
and
I
alluded
to
this
earlier
I
think
they
were
trying
to
be
really
creative,
I
I
think
you
know
with
the
dearth
of
funds
available
to
us
and
in,
like
you
know,
liquid
cash
right
there
that
they
thought.
Okay,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
challenge
the
federal
and
provincial
governments
to
to
meet
us
and
to
provide
more
money
for
affordable
housing
and
to
support
our
plan?
C
And
this
was
a
really
creative
and
I
think
really
innovative
way
to
say?
Okay,
this
is
somewhere
we
can
kind
of
in
some
ways
say:
we've
got
something
to
put
on
the
table
without
really
having
cash
to
put
up
front.
So
that's
what
I
think
went
through
their
heads,
but
again
you'd
have
to
ask
mr.
Gavin
and
Anna
by
lo
and
others.
C
I
can
only
tell
you,
as
a
member
of
council,
that
I'm
not
100%,
convinced
that
it
is
either
the
only
or
perhaps
even
the
best
way
to
go
about
a
housing
plan
and
what
I'd
like
to
know,
whether
it
be
a
transit
project
or
whether
it
be
a
housing
project,
is
look
at
the
look
at
a
value
for
money
assessment.
And
then
you
know
in
know,
in
certain
terms
whether
or
not
each
dollar
is
getting
the
most
of
the
product
that
you're
trying
to
to
provide
that.
P
Thank
you
very
much.
Ma'am
Speaker
I
do
have
three
separate
motions
and
I
would
ask
the
clerks
that
put
that
on
the
screen.
The
first
one
is
to
make
a
request
of
staff
to
do
the
best
that
they
can
to
support
the
city
of
Toronto's
existing
rent
Bank
program
by
one
improving
the
program's
visibility
on
the
city's
website,
finding
new
ways
to
promote
this
program.
P
As
we
noted
throughout
the
line
of
question
to
staff,
they
did
say
that
this
is
a
program
that
actually
helps
people
move
out
of
shelters
and
stay
away
from
homelessness
and
then
to
try
to
extend
the
program
to
tenants
in
rear
a
sort
of
rent
gear
to
income
situations
and
then
to
undertake
an
evaluation.
The
rent
brand
program
and
have
them
report
back
by
the
end
of
2020
motion.
Number
two
is
to
direct
this
general
manager
of
SSA
J
to
include
$70,000
into
their
operating
budget
submissions.
P
So
that
goes
to
the
budget
process
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
can
actually
hire
one
additional
full-time
employee
so
that
we
can
actually
remove
the
backlog
and
to
keep
the
casework
caseload
at
50
cases
per
employee.
And
there
are
some
very
complicated
cases
for
individuals
that
perhaps
could
be
better
assess
if
they
had
more
time
with
those
with
those
individuals
we're
going
through
the
trusteeship
program.
P
But
since
we're
heading
of
by
way
of
the
motion
that
was
moved
at
at
the
committee
and
also
the
fact
that
councillor
viola
will
be
standing
up
to
enhance
those
motions,
we
know
that
there
is
going
to
be
already
efforts
to
bring
all
orders
of
government
together
to
address
housing
crisis
and
and
to
address
the
the
homelessness
emergency.
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor
and
I
want
to
thank
deputy
mayor
by
Lao
I'd
like
to
thank
city
staff
and
in
particular
as
Shaun
Gavin.
This
is
your
final
report.
P
We
will
certainly
miss
you
very
greatly
on
the
floor.
We've
had
lots
of
good
conversations
as
we
try
to
make
the
numbers
work
in
the
sites,
work
and
I
know.
We've
had
so
many
successes
and
I
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
I
know.
This
is
your
final
report
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
personally
for
giving
it
your
very
best,
and
your
all
I
do
think
that
we
are
at
this
particular
cross
point
where
we
have
to
escalate
and
scale
up
and
expand
every
possible
effort.
P
We
can
to
get
as
much
done
to
divert
as
many
people
away
from
homelessness
and
I
recognize
that
all
these
city,
obviously
strategies
need
money
and
you
need
coordinated
efforts.
The
City
of
Toronto
has
done
a
significant
amount
and
clearly
we
need
to
do
more,
because
that
this
emergency
is
so
large
that
we
can't
do
it
on
our
own,
which
is
why
I'm
very
grateful
that
we
are
going
to
do
the
very
best
we
can
to
bring
the
other
orders
of
government
to
the
table
by
by
recognizing
this
as
the
emergency
afford.
P
It
is,
and
I
do
think
that
it's
important
to
us
for
us
also
to
recognize
that
there
are
proportions
that
are
that
are
I,
think
well.
I
could
I
think
we
can
all
call
it
a
disaster
when
we
have
over
11,000
people,
either
sleeping
rough
in
shelters
and
Russ
bets
and
sleeping
and
ravines,
and
on
the
streets
and
in
our
parks
those
people
are
facing
harm
physical
harm,
they're
exposed
to
the
elements
and
they're
facing
potential
death.
P
This
past
month,
we
learned
that
there
were
13
new
names
added
to
the
homeless,
memorial
and
and
over
a
thousand
names
have
been
added,
since
the
memorial
became.
What
we
now
know
it
as
a
public
record
of
those
who
we
know
are
that
are
that
have
died
from
homelessness
or
being
Street
involved.
Frontline
housing
and
shelter
workers
are
reporting
a
dramatic
new
wave
of
homelessness.
We
know
that
tenants
are
crying
for
help
because
of
renovations
renovations
as
well
as
Airbnb
rentals.
P
It's
important
for
us
to
step
up
and
scale
up
as
much
as
we
can
and
I
think.
It's
also
important
for
us
to
use
the
right
language
to
describe
the
situation
that
we're
in,
which
is
why
I'm
really
really
grateful
that
we
will
be
asking
counsel
and
counsel
by
law
is
going
to
be
doing
this
to
actually
recognize
homelessness
as
an
emergency
and
the
and
the
response
that
we
have
to
come
up
with
has
got
to
be
entirely
coordinated.
It
has
to
be
an
inter
government
to
approach.
P
I
hope
that
we
have
the
full
support
of
Council,
because
I
think
that
this
report
actually
takes
us
a
big
distance.
Thank
you,
and
finally,
madam
Speaker
I
just
want
to
thank
those
who
have
actually
forced
us
to
look
at
housing
from
a
human
rights
lens,
because
I
think
that
is
also
that
the
way
for
us
to
move
into
the
future.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
D
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
just
wanted,
offer
a
couple
of
brief
remarks
and,
first
of
all,
thank
deputy
and
by
mayor
by
law
for
one
of
the
advanced
circulation
motions
that
recognizes
the
regional
nature
and
the
externality
of
the
homelessness
pressure
that
we
have
in
the
city
of
Toronto
and
I.
Think
it's
good
that
we
remind
other
governments
that
decisions
and
policy
decisions
that
they're
making
have
an
impact
in
this
city,
an
Ergo,
an
impact
on
the
taxpayers
in
this
city
and
the
residents
of
this
city.
D
But
one
thing
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
make
some
comments
about
the
matter.
That's
before
us
I
took
a
fairly
defined
view
in
the
last
couple
of
votes
we
had
about
how
I
felt
what
the
role
of
our
government
is,
and
you
know,
I
expressed
a
great
deal
of
concern
about
income
transfer
programs
and
whether
or
not
we're
the
government
that
that
should
be
doing
that,
and
this
report
here
is
largely
that
you
know
there
is.
There
is
room
to
create
housing
solutions
in
Toronto
and
I've
afforded
I've.
D
Sorry
I've
supported
some
of
the
affordable
housing
initiatives
that
we've
done
so
far.
We've
talked
about
those
in
the
open
door
program
I,
really
like
those
I
like
the
design
of
those,
because
they're
very
compartmentalized,
we
monetize
an
asset
that
we've
got
or
we
defer
attacks
that
we've
got
over
a
period
of
time,
and
that
translates
to
a
benefit
and
that
serves
as
a
stepping-stone
from
somebody
that
may
be
between
the
space
of
market
rent
and
what
we
would
you
would
call
as
social
housing
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
subsidy
program.
D
But
it's
it's
quite
defined.
I.
Do
this
with
concerns
with
what
the
proposal
is
before
us,
it's
quite
an
aggressive
one,
it's
20,000
units
and
with
a
total
goal
of
40,000,
you
know
the
concern
I
have
I
guess
is
that
it
represents
an
entire
cohort
or
a
generation
that
may
be
turning
to
the
government
to
help
them
make
ends,
meet
and
and
meet
their
rent
without
sort
of
an
exit
and
what
I?
D
What
I
say
about
that
is
is
what
happens
when
the
the
the
program
or
the
subsidy
runs
out
and
I
asked
some
questions
about
funding
this,
and
this
is
where
I
really
begin.
To
worry.
Is
that
we're
relying
on
other
governments
to
support
this
program?
And
if
history
shows
us,
we
know
that
those
government's
can
be
volatile
and
and
perhaps
withdraw
their
support
over
time,
and
that
leaves
the
city
having
to
cope
with
this
and
we're
not
talking
about
a
few
thousand
people
in
a
few
thousand
houses.
D
What
is
being
proposed
and
I
have
some
difficulty
supporting
it,
because
I
was
very
clear
on
how
I
felt
about
the
tax
increase
in
the
last
go-around.
It
would
be
disingenuous
to
say
that
I
would
just
turn
say:
let's
just
do
this,
knowing
full
well
that
you
know
they
were
through
the
property
tax,
we're
going
to
have
to
pay
for
these
significant
types
of
investments
in
income
transfer
programs,
and
perhaps
maybe
the
last
thing
that
I
would
make
some
comment
to
that.
I
would
urge
council
to
give
some
thought
to
is
in
the
report.
D
I
know:
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there,
a
lot
of
people
out
there
that
pay
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income
on
their
total
housing
cost.
And
so
you
know
that
concerns
me
that
if
we
would
start
to
adopt
a
policy
like
that,
because
it's
not
our
GI,
but
it
is
some
sort
of
a
subsidy
based
on
income
and
again
trying
to
fund
that
program
on
a
permanent
basis
on
a
perpetual
basis.
That
word
came
up
a
lot
today.
D
Perpetual
funding
is
something
that
worries
me
and
worries
me
as
a
curator
of
services
here
or
somebody
that,
as
a
service
manager
is
getting
into
the
space
of
trying
to
fund,
and
most
alarmingly
is
for
it's
all
work.
We're
gonna
have
to
rely
on
income
streams
from
other
governments
that
can't
necessarily
assure
us
that
they're
going
to
stay
in
perpetual
in
perpetuity,
so
I
hope
as
we
deal
with
these
questions
as
they
arise
over
time
because
I
understand
this
is
a
broad
and
visionary
plan.
A
O
Well,
thank
you
speaker,
I
anticipated,
more
people
would
be
speaking,
and
so
I've
just
put
my
name
on
quickly.
Let
me
begin,
first
of
all
by
thanking
our
city
of
Toronto
staff.
Our
our
chief
here
on
this
file
Shaun
receive
some
well-deserved
and
well-earned
accolades
this
morning
and
I
want
to
commend
him
and
his
whole
team,
and
this
has
been
an
interdepartmental
piece
of
effort
and
so
I
want
to
thank
them
all.
O
If
you're
not
looking
for
a
subsidized
rate
but
you're
just
looking
for
basic
rental
housing,
we've
become
the
most
expensive
city
in
the
country
in
which
to
rent
$2,300
for
a
one-bedroom
and
if
you're
homeless,
for
8,000
people
every
night
in
this
city
who
are
homeless,
we're
struggling
to
provide
a
an
entering
into
a
shelter
and
there's
almost
no
pathway
out,
and
so,
where
I
believe.
The
10-year
plan
in
front
of
us
does
provide
significant
and
deep
and
important.
O
Improvements
is,
to
first
and
foremost,
redefine
what
affordability
means
to
so
that
it
is
truly
affordable
to
ensure
that,
where
we
are
seeking,
affordable,
affordable
housing
that
it's
in
perpetuity,
where
possible,
as
opposed
to
these
25-year
terms
that
we've
done
in
the
past,
and
that
the
objective
to
build
40,000
new
units,
alongside
working
with
other
levels
of
government
rents,
ups
and
portable
housing
allowances,
they
always
are
significant.
They
are
a
vast
improvement
over
where
we've
been
in
the
past
and
they
are
positive
and
I
want
to
recognize
and
thank
and
commend
everyone.
For
that.
O
Let
me
let
me
pause
on
on
the
piece,
as
it
relates
to
housing
that
I'm
deeply
concerned
about,
and
that
is
on
the
homeless.
From
last
week
we
had
the
homeless
memorial
995.
People
have
now
been
added
to
the
list
and
we
added
13
names,
I've
been
to
many
homeless
memorials
I
last
week,
there's
always
a
moment
at
the
homeless
memorial
every
month
for
people
who
knew
one
of
our.
O
Sadly
deceased
individuals
can
stand
up
and
say
a
few
words,
and
for
the
first
time
in
my
life
for
three
years
it
was
a
member
of
our
waterfront
community
myself.
My
office,
many
neighbors
in
the
in
in
the
baths
receiver,
would
had
tried
to
find
Richard
a
supportive
housing
unit.
He
didn't
want
a
shelter,
he'd
had
bad
experiences
in
the
shelter
system.
He
wanted
a
supportive
housing
unit
and
he
needed
a
supportive
housing
unit.
O
Frankly,
because
of
some
complex
challenges
that
he
had
experienced
in
what's
experiencing
over
three
years,
we
failed
to
find
him
that
unit
and
on
a
personal
level,
I
failed
as
a
counselor
to
help
find
in
that
unit
and
in
early
November.
He
froze
to
death
as
a
homeless
man
and
I'm
deeply
concerned,
as
we
collectively
begin
to
roll
out
this
10-year
plan
that
we
are
not
adequately
providing
the
pathways
out
of
the
shelter
system
and
out
of
homelessness
and
I.
O
O
You
know,
mr.
mayor
every
every
month
you
convene
your
roundtable
on
coordinating
transportation
and
it's
working
really
well
around
the
capital
works
coordination.
I
think
all
three
levels
of
government
need
to
have
the
similar
level
of
urgency
and
coordination
around
ending
homelessness,
Thank
You.
S
Thank
you
very
much.
I
want
to
be
inspired
by
five
most
of
the
work
that
we
do
here.
I
want
to
be
able
to
go
home
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Tell
my
partner
about
what
great
things
we
introduced
and
passed
in
this
chamber.
I
want
to
be
able
to
years
from
now
tell
my
kids,
some
of
the
stuff
we
did
here
and
how
proud
I
was
I,
want
to
be
able
to
point
at
buildings
and
say
that's
what
we
did.
S
S
The
motions
that
are
coming
forward
here
today
reinforce
I.
Think
for
me,
some
of
the
good
things
in
the
report.
Some
of
those
I
can
be
really
proud
of
this.
The
inclusion
of
of
housing
is
a
human
right.
This
is
a
step
that
I
think
will
have
measurable
and
real
consequences
on
our
policies
as
a
city
moving
for
now,
the
report
fell
shy
of
saying,
appoint
the
individual,
but
but
working
working
with
councilor
by
Lao.
Our
housing
advocate
with
the
housing
advocates
that
are
here
today
and
others
from
across
the
city.
S
We
were
able
to
change
that
and
that's
good
and
there
were
other
steps
towards
that
end
that
helped
bring
us
from
that
sort
of
mediocre,
not
overly
ambitious
plan
to
something
that
I
think
we
can
all
go
home
and
be
proud
of,
but
there
are
still
places
in
the
report
that
I
think
could
be
improved
and
I
had
I
had
debated
at
length
with
myself
and
had
conversations
with
others
about
what
we
could
improve
and
how
we
could
pass.
Possibly
loo
use
part
of
the
operating
variants.
S
To
be
quite
honest
that
we're
voting
on
tomorrow
to
help
fund.
Some
of
this
work
table
really
take
a
bite
out
of
the
problem.
I
was
convinced
not
to
by
our
CFO
and
more
out
of
a
process
arrangement
that
perhaps
with
the
mayor
with
councilor
by
Lao,
pushing
the
other
levels
of
government
that
the
that
that
building
at
the
the
city
building
fund
that
we
voted
on
earlier
may
actually
be
able
to
be
used
for
that
purpose
as
well,
and
so,
rather
than
pick
the
pocket
of
where
that
money
would
go.
S
I'm
entrusting
our
housing
advocate
and
our
mayor
to
not
only
go
to
the
table
and
ask
for
the
money
that
it's
outlined
in
this
report,
which
is
the
vast
majority
of
the
money
that
was
announced.
Our
other
levels
of
government,
but
not
only
say,
we've
already
committed
our
piece,
but
going
and
say,
we've
stuck
our
neck
out
to
our
constituents
said
we're
gonna
raise
more
revenue,
we're
willing
to
put
more
money
in,
but
it
needs
a
commitment
from
the
other
levels.
S
Continuing
on
the
open-door
policy
is
good,
but
it's
sticking
to
the
same
plan
we've
been
on
for
the
last
four
years
and
I
gotta
ask
you:
has
it
gotten
measurably
better
for
people
seeking
how's
it?
It
has
built
some
units,
but
it
hasn't
done
the
ambitious
and
the
bold
work
that
we
need
to
do
as
a
committee
as
a
committee
as
a
council,
what
we
also
have
coming
back
soon
are
three
import
or
two
important
things
that
this
council
needs
to
be
reminded
of
there
in
the
report,
but
they
don't
have
a
specific
recommendation.
S
One
is
on
the
inclusionary
zoning
policy.
When
it
comes
back,
we
can't
bend
to
developers.
We
have
to
be
bold
in
that
push
and
push
the
province
to
allow
us
to
have
strong
measures.
The
vacancy
home
tax
we
need
to
get
beyond
these
speculators
and
investors
and
say
housing
and
residential
units
is
about
homes,
not
simply
about
how
an
investor
can
make
a
whole
lot
of
money
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker
I
rise
to
say
and
echo
many
of
the
comments
from
my
colleagues
here
today
that
I
actually
think
that
this
is
the
housing
plan
that
Toronto
has
been
waiting
for
and
that
Toronto
is
needed
we're.
Finally,
there
we're
closing
the
book
on
a
ten-year
chapter
that
left
a
lot
to
be
desired
with
the
previous
housing
plan
that
you
know
had
some
ambitious
targets
and
ideas,
but
in
many
respects
failed
to
materialize
and
from
the
dozens
and
dozens
of
Deputies
who
come
out
to
planning
and
housing
committing
month
after
month.
K
We
hear
those
stories
we
hear
that
struggle,
and
we
understand
that
the
city
and
all
levels
of
government
have
not
done
enough
to
match
the
need
that
is
out
there
with
affordability
right
now.
We
hear
that
so
I
really
see
this
as
a
as
a
chance
to
reset,
and
it
is
a
once-in-a-generation
opportunity
here
and
I
want
to
take
a
second
here
to
acknowledge
and
thank
everyone
who
was
involved
in
preparing
this
document.
I
want
to
thank
our
deputy
mayor
and
a
bail
out
for
her
work
on
the
housing
file.
K
That's
in
front
of
us
as
a
way
forward,
a
couple
other
things
to
note
that
I
mentioned
that
committee,
it's
a
little
less
remarkable,
but
a
footnote
at
the
top
of
page
three
points
out
that
there
was
actually
20
different
city
divisions
that
were
involved
in
the
preparation
of
this
report.
I
only
I
only
bring
that
forward
as
something
to
point
out,
because
it
that
almost
never
happens,
we're
very
siloed.
You
know
as
bureaucracy.
K
That's
that's
typically
what
happens,
but
I
have
faith
in
our
ability
to
actually
implement
this
plan
because
they
had
so
many
hands
on
it.
There's
a
lot
of
ownership
there
and
across
different
divisions-
and,
let's
be
honest,
that's
how
these
things
actually
move
forward.
People
have
a
stake
in
this
game
and
they
have
a
stake
in
the
success
of
this
report.
K
For
someone
whose
job
is
actually
to
address
the
systemic
housing
discrimination
and
systemic
hurdles
inherent
in
our
housing
system
here
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
normally
that
stuff
gets
parked
somewhere
in
the
body
of
a
report,
paragraphs
down
the
page,
but
there
you
go
right
right
on
page
five
there
in
the
recommendations
you
can
see
it
loud
and
clear.
So
I
think
that
that
is
a
great
accountability.
K
Metric
as
well
I
think
it's
easy
to
become
cynical
about
politics,
about
policy
and
about
housing
in
cities
like
Toronto,
with
all
the
pressure
that
we're
facing
and
I
understand
that
for
good
reason,
but
there's
no
hiding
from
a
plan
of
this
magnitude.
There's
no
walking
back
from
the
incredible
powerful
statements
that
we're
making
in
front
of
us
here
today
and
that
the
starting
premise
is
that
housing
is
a
human
right.
K
That
is
a
different
place
than
we
were
a
year
ago,
and
everybody
knows
that
and
it's
a
fundamental
shift
in
the
way
that
we're
gonna
be
addressing
this
problem
going
forward
and
that's
a
powerful
one.
It
changes
the
way
our
divisions
are
going
to
deliver
the
services
that
we
have
to
do,
and
we
heard
about
the
importance
of
that
from
the
community
and
from
deputies
and
for
more
than
6,000
Torontonians
that
had
their
hands
on
this
report
in
building.
K
What
is
a
seminal
document
in
front
of
us,
so
I
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
challenges.
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
what
Toronto
is
bringing
to
the
table
versus
the
other
levels
of
the
government.
That's
an
unfortunate
reality
of
the
world
that
we
live
in
and
I
know
that
everybody
here
in
this
chamber
fully
appreciates
and
acknowledges
that,
but
I
think
we're
being
strategic
in
our
efforts
and
what
we
can
do
in
creating
something
that
other
governments
will
not.
Only
want
to
support,
but,
frankly,
have
to
support.
K
We
have
again
provided
the
roadmap
and
we're
pushing
ourselves
as
a
city
to
actually
move
that
forward
things
like
creating
a
land
bank
with
our
assets
and
encouraging
the
province
and
the
federal
governments
to
do
the
same.
That
is
actually
going
to
help
us
get
value
for
money,
maximum
leverage,
maximum
housing
on
these
sites.
I,
you
know
if
you,
if
you've
been
paying
attention
and
planning
in
housing,
you
know
that
or
Toronto
parking
authority
I
am
pushing
and
challenging
the
numbers
that
we're
landing
on
those
sites.
K
You
want
to
talk
about
value
for
money,
I,
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
those
sites
and
see
how
much
housing
were
actually
achieving
on
some
of
those
sites.
We
need
to
be
pushing.
We
need
to
be
aggressive.
We
need
to
be
making
sure
that
our
sites
and
our
assets
are
doing
all
the
heavy
living
to
deliver
as
much
housing
as
possible
and
I
know
that
our
deputy
mayor
is
on
that
as
well
and
pushing
for
that
also
I.
K
L
Thanks
speaker,
I
just
want
to
this
morning,
I
didn't
jump
up
and
say
thank
you
to
mr.
GAD
and
for
his
long
service
here
at
the
City
of
Toronto.
But
I
do
want
to
thank
him
and
say
here
is
a
housing
plan
that
he's
worked
on
to
deliver
for
the
next
ten
years
and
how
important
that
is
strategically
in
everything.
That's
in
it.
L
2019
there
were
6,000
people,
probably
I.
Don't
think
there's
been
that
many
real
engagements
when
I
look
and
see
there
were
do-it-yourself,
there
were
tables,
there
were
emails.
There
were
organizations,
it's
really
so
exciting,
to
see
that
many
people
engaged,
because,
as
we
now
have
acknowledged
in
this
report,
we
do
have
a
housing
emergency.
We
have
a
housing
emergency,
whether
it's
people
seeking
shelters.
L
We
have
a
housing
emergency
with
housing
refugees
in
the
city,
up
to
forty
five
percent
of
our
beds,
and
we
have
a
housing
emergency
because,
as
councillor
McKelvey
said,
she
doesn't
want
her
kids.
She
loves
them,
but
she
doesn't
want
them
at
home
for
the
rest
of
her
life
and
their
life,
because
there
are
very
few
affordable
places
now,
for
sons
and
daughters
and
nieces
and
nephews
and
grandchildren
to
move
the
city
is
becoming
so
unaffordable.
So
this
housing
plan
is
about
affordability,
it's
very
ambitious.
L
We
also
have
to
build
housing
housing
now,
I,
don't
think
we
should
forget
that
this
term
we
also
have
brought
up
housing
now,
with
11
sites,
have
approved,
I,
think
the
Etobicoke
centers
coming
up
shortly.
It's
massive
change
with
thousands
of
affordable
units
that
will
be
built
there,
we're
reimagining
and
redesigning
communities,
and
that
actually
is
part
of
this
housing
plan.
We
also
have
said
in
the
auditor-general
set
to
Toronto
Community
Housing.
You
can't
miss
opportunities
any
longer
with
the
land.
You
have
to
add
affordable
housing
whenever
you're
building,
something
and
I
can
look.
L
At
my
dawn
mount
your
redevelopment,
many
redevelopments
across
the
city,
the
Toronto
Community
Housing,
did
there
are
almost
no
new,
affordable
units
there.
What
a
waste
of
our
land
housing
now
is
an
about-face
on
that
use
our
land
build
new,
make
sure
we're
building
affordable
housing.
So
this
is
a
sea-change
6,000
people,
housing
now
change
to
Toronto,
Community,
Housing
and
then
I
just
want
to
speak
about
the
protection
of
people
that
are
living
and
currently
affordable
housing.
Unfortunately,
the
landlord
and
tenant
board
last
week
overturned
a
request
not
to
evict
ten
tenants
on
Queen
Street.
L
These
run
evictions
are
just
happening
over
and
over
again
from
stable,
modest
rental
to
be
jacked
up
two
and
three
times
the
cost
of
that
rental.
Again
with
air
B&B
as
I
was
asking
our
deputy
city
manager.
There
are
many
of
these
sites,
including
one
where
there
was
a
shooting,
imagine
you're,
living
somewhere
with
a
semi.
Somebody
has
an
air
B&B
they're
living
somewhere
else.
L
L
The
report
shows
that
I
believe
very
strongly
in
the
ability
of
our
city
manager,
who
went
to
Queens
Park,
had
great
conversations
very
strong,
our
mayor
and
his
staff
that
had
the
same
conversations
to
convince
other
levels
of
government
that
they
cannot
leave
this
city,
this
economic
engine
in
the
lurch,
that
we
have
to
get
the
money
step
up.
Work
together,
work
together
to
build
housing
in
the
City
of
Toronto
to
build
affordable
housing
in
the
city
and
across
the
waterfront
Thank
You.
H
Yeah
I
I
think
that
it's
easy
to
get
feel
anxious
and
depressed
about
the
state
of
affairs
and
housing
in
Toronto,
obviously,
but
I
there's.
One
positive
thing
that
has
happened
is
that,
through
the
mayor's
advocacy,
we
were
able
to
get
1.3
billion
dollars
from
the
federal
government
for
repairs
to
our
housing
stock,
the
TCH
C,
and
that
was
quite
a
significant
investment.
That's
never
been
done
to
that
magnitude
before
since
the
offloading
and
downloading.
So
that
is
something
that
we
can
sort
of
say
as
a
positive
I.
H
How
can
people
make
enough
money
to
pay
that
kind
of
rent
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
everything
else
is
so
expensive
here,
whether
it
be
childcare,
whether
it
be
the
the
price
of
going
to
the
cleaners
or
everything,
so
that
is
a
daunting
thing
to
overcome,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
we've
got
70,000
new
people
that
come
into
Toronto
every
year.
So,
even
though
we
try
and
house
the
people
we
have
here
this
year,
you
know
come
in
two
weeks.
H
Another
70,000
are
going
to
come
here
and
we
have
no
control
over
that
because,
despite
everything
else,
it
seems
everybody
still
wants
to
come
here,
because
their
family
and
friends
are
here
and
the
jobs
are
here
so
try
and
deal
with
that.
70,000
new
people
every
year
then
mention
again.
90
percent
of
all
the
social,
affordable
housing
in
the
GTA
is
in
Toronto.
Our
neighbors
surrounding
us
don't
really
invest
and
they
have
the
land
land.
They
have
all
kinds
of
land
available:
they're,
not
putting
any
money
into
providing
affordable
social
housing.
H
So
how
do
we
affect
that
change?
We
can't
because
that
basically
isn't
a
priority
in
the
outline
in
gta'
communities,
then,
on
top
of
that,
we've
been
given
another
gift,
and
that
is
the
dhih
control
over
new
builds
of
rental
housing.
And
then
you
know
what
really
gets
me
flabbergasted
is
I.
Get
calls
calling
me
saying:
you've
got
to
do
something
about
bringing
back
rent
control
over
new
builds
and
I
said:
well,
listen
yeah!
We
can
advocate,
but
we
didn't
make
this
change.
H
You
elected
a
government
with
a
huge
majority
that
just
gave
you
that
D
control
here's
the
phone
number
of
your
MPP
of
whoever's
in
charge,
the
minister
of
housing.
They
made
the
change.
You
voted
for
him,
possibly
so
this
is
what
he
gets
me
going
when
I
say
well,
we
that
the
City
of
Toronto
we
got
to
take
care
of
that
major
change
that
you
voted
for.
You
voted
for
that
government
then
not
only
gave
them
a
little
bit
of
an
amateur.
You
gave
me
a
huge
majority
unfettered
majority
and
they're,
giving
you
D
control.
H
So
we
have
to
somehow
get
people
that
care
about
housing
to
join
with
us
in
telling
these
stories
so
that
we
can
get
some
meaningful
long-term
changes,
because
all
the
great
things
we're
doing
is
never
going
to
be
enough.
We
can't
control
the
seventy
thousand
a
year.
We
can't
control
rent
control
policies.
We
can't
control
$2,300
a
month
for
an
apartment
in
Toronto.
How
do
we
ever
do
anything
about
that?.
P
M
All
over
the
City
of
Toronto,
our
siblings,
are
brothers
and
sisters
who
find
themselves
in
difficult
straits,
are
living
with
the
physical
and
emotional
anguish
of
not
having
a
roof
over
their
head
as
we
head
into
the
winter
people
who
are
at
risk
of
losing
their
housing
because
of
real
estate.
Speculation
are
also
in
anguish.
M
Counselor
by
law
is
going
to
be
moving
a
motion
that
says
Toronto's
house
as
an
emergency,
and
that's
the
reason
why
I'm
prepared
to
support
that's
what's
in
front
of
us
today.
It
is
an
emergency
when
a
society
stuffed
with
wealth
like
ours
is,
is
unable
to
provide
a
home
to
everyone
who
lives
in
our
city.
I
wish.
M
Until
we
understand
housing
the
way
we
understand
health
care
as
something
that
we
all
provide
to
each
other,
because,
as
the
mayor
said
earlier,
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
We
will
not
have,
in
my
view,
achieve
the
kind
of
civilization
that
I
would
expect
of
the
people
of
Toronto,
but
we're
here
for
a
bunch
of
reasons
we're
here,
because
in
the
late
90s
the
federal
government
decided
that
they
weren't
going
to
go
down
the
path
that
European
cities
go
down
of,
saying
no
we're
committed
to
the
idea
of
everyone
being
housed.
M
We
took
a
turn.
We
stopped
investing
in
social
housing
and
instead
took
the
path
that,
frankly,
is
the
most
common
one
in
North
America,
where
housing
is
seen
as
a
way
of
generating
wealth
for
those
who
already
are
in
a
position
of
owning
wealth
and
at
the
same
time,
for
creating
homelessness
for
people
who
don't
own
wealth.
We
are
going
to
have
to
do
much
much
better
than
this.
M
We
are
going
to
have
to
face
the
reality
that,
even
though
this
plan
talks
about
generating
40,000
units
over
a
decade
that
right
now
in
the
City
of
Toronto
under
construction,
there
are
48,000
market
units
being
built,
we're
not
even
building
a
year's
worth
of
housing
for
the
people
who
need
it.
While
we
are
generating
48,000
profit,
generating
units.
M
Yes,
we've
adopted
the
principle
of
housing
as
a
human
right
and,
as
that
plays
out
over
the
decade,
we
will
be
back
here
and
we
will
be
confronted
with
the
fact
that
treating
a
basic
need,
a
necessity
of
life
as
a
way
of
making
wealthy
people
wealthier,
is
the
wrong
path.
Yes,
here
today,
we
are
agreeing
that
we,
when
we
make
investments
wherever
possible,
those
investments
will
be
permanent
and
that's
a
big
step
forward.
Yes,
we
are
creating
the
office
of
the
housing
commissioner,
who
will
be
able
to
hold
us
to
account.
M
Yes,
we
are
calling
on
the
federal
and
provincial
government
who
have
responsibilities
for
health
care
to
provide
the
housing
supports,
that
that
will
make
sure
that
people
actually
get
into
stable
and
well
supported
housing.
But
we
are
going
to
be
back
here
and
we
are
going
to
be
back
here
over
and
over
and
over
again
until
we
stop
thinking
that
making
wealthy
people
wealthier
has
anything
to
do
with
our
duty
to
our
sisters
and
brothers
to
have
a
safe
place
to
sleep
at
night.
I
I
B
is
further
actions
and
requests
of
the
provincial
and
federal
government,
and
this
is
in
recognition
that
we
have
a
ten-year
plan
that
deals
with
a
lot
of
these
issues
and
it's
in
particular
the
lack
of
supportive
housing
that
that
we
have
in
our
city
and
how
we
need
the
other
orders
of
government
to
come
to
the
table,
but
that
we
are
experiences
unprecedented
pressures
that
we
are
facing
a
critical
and
an
emergency
issue.
That
needs
a
coordinated
approach.
That
needs
immediate
actions.
I
And
for
that
we
have
a
series
of
actions
not
only
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
further.
They
were
asking
our
staff
and
we're
giving
our
tools
to
our
staff
for
the
next
few
months
to
to
coordinate
this
intergovernmental
table,
but
asking
of
the
provincial
and
federal
government.
My
motion
see
it's
actually
to
do
with
students
and
the
involvement
of
our
academic
institutions
in
the
implementation
of
this
plan,
and
my
last
motion
is
actually
to
recognize
the
many
many
people
that
were
involved
in
this
plan.
I
I
So
I
know
that
Julianna
and
Sean
and
the
team
and
through
the
city
manager,
they
made
sure
that
all
these
departments
were
being
involved
and
contributed
to
develop
in
this
plan,
and
this
is
important
because
that's
how
you
affect
change-
that's
how
you
ensure
that
the
implementation
of
the
report
is
successful.
The
other
principle
was
that
that
we
are
acknowledging
the
right
to
housing.
I
We
are
now
looking
at
how
to
create
policy,
how
to
have
housing
in
this
city
with
a
principle
of
the
right
to
housing,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
members
of
the
committee
that
guided
us
as
well
and
guided
our
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
created
the
foundation
to
have
that
done
and
that
in
that
plan
madam
Speaker
I
have
with
me
a
public
notice
from
1944
and
I'm.
Gonna.
Read
it
out
loud
because
in
here
it
says
due
to
the
lack
of
housing
accommodation
in
this
city.
I
This
is
a
notification
that
there,
by
given
to
families
residing
outside
the
city,
that
this
Minister
municipality
will
not
assume
any
responsibility
or
provide
any
assistance
in
locating
living
quarters
for
those
families
contemplating
moving
to
Toronto.
The
city
has
exhausted
every
available
means
of
finding
accommodation
for
those
families
already
in
the
city
and
is
unable
to
cope
with
any
additional
number
for
the
for
your
own
comfort
and
convenience
do
not
come
to
Toronto
for
housing
accommodation,
and
this
was
signed
by
the
acting
mayor
of
the
time,
Robert
Sanders
and
it's
from
July
29
1944.
I
So,
madam
Speaker,
we
we
have
an
option
in
here.
We
can
issue
notices
like
this,
or
we
can
say
that
we
have
a
role
to
play
in
this
issue.
We
understand
that
other
orders
of
government
that
had
huge
huge
roles
in
building
social
housing
in
the
90s
and
the
70s
have
stepped
back,
but
I
think
that
we
have
been
successful
in
ensuring
that
everybody's
alerted
that
this
is.
This
is
an
issue
that,
if
we're
really
truly
gonna,
have
change
in
fact
change.
I
You
have
to
be
honest
with
people,
and
the
first
thing
we
need
to
recognize
is
that
we
need
three
orders
of
government
at
the
table.
We
as
a
municipality
ourselves,
don't
have
the
tools
to
solve
this
issue,
but
we
know
that
we
have
to
pull
the
tools
to
be
persuasive
with
the
other
orders
of
government
to
make
sure
that,
from
our
shelter
system
to
our
market
housing
that
we
have
action
in
all
these
points
of
the
housing
spectrum.
Housing
is
a
complex
issue.
Housing
is
an
issue
that
has
all
kinds
of
different
solutions.
I
You
can't
have
one
solution
for
it
to
solve
housing
in
the
city,
but
one
thing
is
for
sure:
you
need
the
goodwill
of
all
of
us
to
make
sure
that
we
truly
have
an
impact
in
this
file
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
open
for
our
Torontonians
and
is
is
able
to
afford
to
have
safe
housing
not
only
for
the
residents
in
Toronto,
but
for
our
sons
and
daughters
and
for
the
people
that
are
coming
and
developing
this
city.
Thank
you.
G
Madam
Speaker,
thank
you,
and
just
along
the
lines
of
thanks,
may
I.
Add
to
the
thanks
of
all
those
who
have
gone
before
me
in
saying
thank
you
especially
to
deputy
mayor
Councillor
Anna
by
Lao,
for
showing
great
leadership
on
this
and
the
city
staff.
Of
course,
we
had
some
comments
this
morning
about
Sean
Gadd
intro,
but
it
can't
be
repeated
often
enough,
just
how
much
he
and
the
deputy
mayor
and
others
worked
hard
at
this
and
in
a
way.
G
That
is
a
point
that
I
want
to
make
here
in
addressing,
because
if
there
are
a
couple
of
concerns,
I
have
about
the
debate,
which
I
think
has
generally
been
positive,
I
think
generally
supportive
of
us
moving
forward.
It
is
that
we
have
reached
the
end,
the
beginning
of
the
plan,
but
the
a
process
that
involve
literally
thousands
of
people.
Many
many
many
experts,
all
of
our
professional
public
servants,
the
best
minds
we
could
bring
to
this,
and
so,
if
I
had
a
concern,
it
would
be
twofold.
G
First
of
all,
I'm
a
bit
concerned
about
this
kind
of
small
modest
undertone,
that's
kind
of
percolating
through
a
bit
of
the
discussion
that
sort
of
says.
Somehow
this
plan
is
falling
way
short
of
what
our
ambitions
should
be
and
I
was
particularly
interested
in
the
exchange
between
mr.
Gavin,
who
I
indicated
this
morning
through
madam
Speaker
I
had
so
much
respect
for
I
think
we
all
do
and
mr.
G
councillor
Layton,
where
you
know
they
were
talking
about
sort
of
how
these
goals
were
set
and
so
on
and
and
I,
don't
want
to
put
words
in
mr.
Gannon's
mouth,
but
he
was
saying
what
we
tried
to
do
was
to
set
a
goal.
That
was
something
that
was
achievable
and
if
we
can
do
more,
of
course,
we
will
but
I
remember
well
where
the
40,000
number
first
came
from
and
I
guess.
G
I
would
just
point
out
within
the
context
of
what
our
ambitions
are.
Of
course
we'd
rather
do
more.
Of
course,
we
will
do
more
if
we
possibly
can
but
I
sort
of
look
at
the
track
record
of
the
council
and
some
of
the
very
people
who
seem
to
be
disappointed
were
people
actually
who
were
here
during
most
of
the
time
of
the
last
ten
year
plan
and
respectfully
fell
way
short
of
achieving
the
modest
1,000
unit,
a
target
set
by
them
at
that
time.
G
G
So
to
me
that
question
has
been
answered
with
this
plan
that
a
value
for
money
audit
in
effect
was
part
of
it
and
that
by
voting
now
for
a
value
for
money
audit.
What
we
are
voting
to
do
is
to
delay
the
implementation
of
this
plan,
because
I'm
assuming
the
councilor
and
his
motion,
wouldn't
be
saying.
Well,
let's
just
proceed
ahead
with
it
and
then
the
value
for
money
audit
will
come
later
and
tell
us
if
we
did
the
right
thing.
So
that
is
got
a
delay.
G
The
first,
if
not
more
than
the
first
year
of
this
plan
and
I,
believe
that
the
value
for
money
audit
has
already
been
done.
That
is,
that
is
what
was
done
inherently
in
a
process
involving
thousands
of
people,
all
kinds
of
organizations
who
are
answering
that
question
if
we're
gonna
use,
city,
land,
city,
money,
City,
deferrals
of
taxes
and
DC's,
and
things
like
that,
what
is
going
to
get
us
the
most
by
way
of
affordable
housing
units
and
that
the
answer
came
back
with
this
plan.
G
The
second
motion
I
have
trouble
with
for
a
different
reason,
and
that
is
that
we
specifically
explicitly
agreed
with
the
support
of
the
very
same
councillor
who's.
Moving,
this
emotion
today
and
I
understand
what
is
his
philosophy
is
behind
it
and
I:
don't
even
entirely
disagree
with
it,
but
we
move
to
motion
last
day
because
we
didn't
want
to
make
policy
on
the
fly
that
might
affect
the
response.
G
That
was
an
agreement
we
all
reached
as
to
how
we
would
take
a
look
at
this
issue
on
what
I'll
call
an
evidence
based
basis,
as
opposed
to
saying,
let's
just
aside,
because
we
all
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
today.
To
do
this,
and
so
I
would
suggest
at
the
very
least
this
is
redundant
at
the
most
it
may
be,
requiring
it
may
be
something
that
involves
reopening
no
matter.
G
We
just
voted
on
at
the
last
meeting,
but
it
is
not
the
best
way
to
make
public
policy
I
think
this
plan
is
a
good
solid
plan.
I
will
be
absolutely
enthusiastic
in
my
advocacy
to
the
other
governments,
as
I've
tried
to
be
before
and
I
think
successfully,
so
no
stone
will
be
left
and
turned
on
getting
them
to
sign
on
to
this
plan,
and
if
we
can
achieve
this
plan
before
the
10-year
time
frame,
then
we'll
be
upping
the
goals
and
getting
on
with
doing
the
rest
of
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
A
Okay,
next
motion
is
1b,
so
counselor
Matt
Lowe
I'm,
going
to
rule
that
your
motion
1b
requires
a
reopening
of
counsel
decision
on
mm
12.3
3
made
last
month.
In
that
motion,
counsel
asked
for
report
to
the
January
22nd
2020
plenty
and
Housing
Committee
on
the
same
topic.
Your
motion
proposes
to
advance
the
decision-making
and
make
that
decision
today
and
for
that
reason
a
2/3
vote
accounts
that
required
four
counts
to
reopen
its
previous
decision
recorded
vote,
your
Chuck.
Well,
we
need
a
two-thirds
vote
to
reopen.
A
A
M
B
A
S
J
J
A
A
D
F
D
Ten
years,
and
so
we
have
a
process
in
the
city
to
establish
the
area's
sequentially
in
through
environmental
assessments
or
summary
assessments
to
implement
this
program,
and
we've
got
some
criteria
that
determines
whether
or
not
an
area
qualifies
under
the
program.
Could
you
just
confirm
what
the
christ'
some
of
the
criteria
is
through.
F
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
we
do
have
some
criteria
and
we
actually
reference
within
our
budget
documents
and
some
challenges
that
we're
facing.
One
of
the
key
issues
we
have
with
the
basement
flooding
program
is
assessing
projects
moving
on
to
the
construction
phase
and
in
there
we
have
council
approve
cap
of
$32,000
per
benefiting
household,
and
we
use
that
to
determine
what
projects
are
eligible
to
move
for
further
detailed
design
and
at
the
construction
phase
is.
D
It
fair
to
say
the
basement,
flooding
protection
program
is
a
is
a
is
a
program
designed
to
make
improvements
in
areas
where
we've
got
flooding.
It's
it's
not
meant
to
create
infrastructure
where
there
isn't
any
or
do
some
sort
of
a
massive
change.
You
go
through
the
assessments
and
you
figure
out
where
there
are
deficiencies
and
you
implement
a
program
to
repair
them.
That's.
F
Correct
the
way
the
program
was
set
up
and
the
way
we
complete
our
environmental
assessments
is
that
we're
comparing
the
level
of
service,
that's
provided
in
the
community,
based
on
the
existing
infrastructure,
how
how
that
infrastructure
is
performing?
That
includes
sanitary
sewers
as
well
as
stormwater
sewers,
and
then
we
look
for
improvements
raising
that
service
level
up
to
a
new
level
that
council
has
approved,
particularly
with
respect
to
storm
water.
We
can
move
up
to
1
and
100-year
storm,
oh
if
it
meets
that
$32,000
per
household
test
and.
D
So
the
concept
with
a
$32,000
per
household
was
a
policy
by
council
so
that
we
could
make
sure
that
these
these
programs
were
following
an
optimal
investment.
That
is
that
we
were.
We
were
making
investments
that
would
help
a
lot
of
people
and
that
there
would
be
a
distribution
of
the
those
costs,
as
opposed
to
spending
a
whole
lot
of
money
on
just
a
couple
of
little
houses.
It's.
F
Correct
as
well,
it
was
put
in
place
because
council
knew
that
it
was
going
to
take
us
many
years
to
complete
environmental
assessments,
as
we
moved
out
Ward
by
Ward,
and
we
didn't
want
to
have
a
situation
where
the
early
wards
that
had
the
early
studies
would
use
up
all
of
the
money
we
would.
We
would
go
to
those
communities,
even
if
it
was
a
newer
EA.
If
it
was
a
quick
hit
project
that
helped
a
lot
of
people
in
the
met
that
test,
it
would
move
quicker
along
the
construction
process.
So.
D
I
know:
we've
talked
about
it,
but
I've
got
an
area
called
thorn
crests
in
my
ward,
that
is
like
a
few
parts
of
the
city
it
it
has
sort
of
grossly
missing
infrastructure.
There
aren't
storm
sewers.
There
are
some
ditches
a
little
bit
of
over
land
design,
but
we're
in
a
situation
where
there's
some
really
fundamental
issues
in
a
large
widespread
area
affecting
a
couple
of
hundred
houses
where
the
water
flows
from
the
street
on
to
the
private
properties.
D
F
Really
men
speaker,
the
short
answer
would
be
no
and
that
that
is
for
several
parts
of
the
city,
so
not
just
in
your
area.
We've
seen
that
in
a
few
other
locations,
in
addition
to
that,
we're
starting
to
do
basement,
flooding,
analysis
and
parts
of
the
city
where
that
$32,000
cap
doesn't
fit
nicely
because
it
fits
nicely
in
more
suburban
type
communities.
So
as
we
move
in
the
inner
core
it
that
that
that
test
is
is
challenged
and
therefore,
in
the
basement,
flooding
briefing
note
that
you
have
all
councillors
have
received.
F
D
It
fair
to
say
that
the
staff
nor
council
really
have
any
intent
to
turn
our
back
on
areas
to
say:
well,
I'm,
sorry,
you
didn't
qualify
under
the
program
and
I
can
think
of
some
of
those
conversations
I've
had
with
people
so
you're
at
a
lock.
Do
you
think,
as
a
city,
we
should
be
continuously
improving
and
re-evaluating
our
policies
and
finding
ways
to
fairly
and
equitably
serve
the
people
of
Toronto
and
implement
the
missing
infrastructure
that
was
not
built
for
some
reason
over
time.
So.
F
So
the
answer
is
yes,
and
in
fact
those
deferred
projects,
the
one
that
didn't
meet
the
test,
the
first
time
we
don't
lose
them.
We
put
them
on
a
list
and
we
have
them
on
the
list.
The
intention
is
the
pick
up
and
raise
that
service
level
when
we
get
into
doing
state
of
good
repair
funding
in
those
communities
which
could
be
many
years
away,
so
they
are
waiting
for
for
a
long
time.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
look
at.
F
How
do
we
move
those
projects
that
we
identify
in
new
areas
that
that
meet
the
test,
move
them
along
faster
at
the
same
time
we're
looking
out
many
years,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
feeding
the
program
enough
projects
to
match
the
funding
envelopes.
We
have
so
right
now
we're
okay,
but
when
we
look
out
for
a
few
years
from
now,
we
we
may
start
having
problems
because
of
that
cap,
and
that
is
the
very
reason
we
want
to
report
back
in
2020
with
some
suggestions
and
modifications
to
that
program.
So.
D
Is
this
a
path
forward
for
perhaps
my
thorn
Crest
area
in
my
ward,
to
try
to
find
a
pathway
forward
to
try
to
get
the
infrastructure
that
they
desperately
need
to
try
to
deal
with
the
basement
flooding
issues
recognizing
the
current
program
that
we've
got
has
got
some
some
some
some
controls
in
place
from
policies
from
the
council
that
doesn't
let
it
go
forward.
Theory.
F
Speaker,
it
would
definitely
be
an
area
that
we
would
describe
and
review
in
in
the
analysis
to
say
here's
one
of
the
challenges,
one
of
the
issues
that
we
face
where
there
is
no
storm
sewers.
How
do
we
do
that
test
of
a
service
level
change
when
none
exists,
and-
and
so
what
we're
looking
at
is
that
as
well
as
other
areas
in
the
city,
so
it
will
be
a
multi-pronged
approach
that
we
would
come
forward
with.
Thank.
N
So
so
you
you
can
find
the
criteria
you
can
find
the
list
of
flooding.
You
can
even
match
that
financial
measure,
but
part
of
the
reason
we're
leaving
it
up
to
you
to
reevaluate
and
build
a
capital
plan
every
year
is
also
because
that
risk
factor
can
change
depending
on
other
works
in
the
areas
that
not
still
the
case.
That's.
F
True,
so
one
of
the
things
that
council
has
also
authorized
this
if
we
find
that
we
could
coordinate
with
other
works,
for
example,
or
if
we
could
secure
funding
like
we
did
with
the
federal
disaster
mitigation
assistance
money
program
that
we
would
accelerate
those
projects,
even
though
they
don't
meet
that
32k
cap.
It
makes
sense
to
do
that,
so
we
still
applying
that
lens.
But
what
we're
looking
at
doing
is
there's
parts
of
the
city,
for
example,
where
we
may
have
a
lot
of
condominium
towers.
So
how
do
we?
F
How
do
we
assess
the
per
benefiting
household
now
when
it's
one
plot
of
land?
Yet
a
thousand
people
live
in
it.
So
we
need
to
come
up
with
with
different
ways
of
assessing
you
know,
including
a
project
into
the
basement,
flooding
project
as
we
find
different
anomalies
throughout
the
city.
So
it's
more
about
strengthening
and
giving
greater
options
while
not
taking
away
the
32.
We
would
maintain
that
we
may
raise
that
as
we
do
a
CPI
increase,
so
a
lot
of
different
things.
N
Then
sitting
in
our
political
offices,
we're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
say
I.
Did
my
math
I
checked
the
math
on
my
neighborhoods.
You
must
do
this
next.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
still
the
the
overlay
of
infrastructure
coordination
that
we
can't
predict.
You
can
only.
You
can
only
tell
us
about
it
when
we
get
to
that
capital
season.
That's.
F
N
F
Correct-
and
we
would
do
that
through
the
annual
capital
coordination
process
right,
we
still
may
accelerate
a
project,
even
though
we
might
identified
it
in
the
five-year
basement,
flooding
briefing
notice
coming
in
year.
Four.
If
there
is
a
road,
a
road
reconstruction
job
or
a
transit
job
occurring,
we
may
be
able
to
pull
that
forward
a
couple
years,
and
we
would
do
that.
So
we
still
retain
that
right
and
that's
why
we
give
you
the
five-year
plan
and
updated
annually.
F
D
Thanks,
madam
Speaker
I
have
a
motion:
if
I
could
ask
the
clerk
staff
to
put
that
on
the
other
screen,
it's
long,
but
it
is
really
just
a
request
for
report
because
it's
linked
to
the
budget,
it's
something
that
I
worked
very
hard
with
staff
to
develop
and
it
asked
to
come
forward
I'm
going
to
just
paraphrase
it
to
say
that
it.
It
talks
about
ways
to
address
areas
like
the
thorn
Crest
Village
that
do
not
and
will
not
fit
the
parameters
of
the
basement.
Flooding
protection
project
program.
D
D
Multi-Million
dollar
works
that
need
to
be
done,
and
if
you
go
back
in
time,
you
realize
the
history
of
this
area
was
never
built
with
the
infrastructure
that
was
required
and
speaking
to
the
general
manager.
Think
of
places
like
Hogg's
hollow
in
other
parts
of
the
city
that
are
a
little
bit
unique
and
different.
So
I
I'm
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
trying
to
serve
the
constituents
in
my
community
in
helping
basement
flooding
protection
projects
move
along.
D
D
You'll
support
that,
because
I
think
many
members
of
council
have
run
into
similar
issues
and
as
a
council,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
built
out
city,
that
we
have
access
to
services,
that
people's
basements
aren't
getting
flooded,
that
the
streets
aren't
getting
flooded
and
properties
aren't
getting
flooded.
But
recognizing
these
are
significant
capital
works
and
they
are
part
of
the
fabric
of
the
city
that
we
ultimately
are
responsible
for
delivering
and
so
I
hope.
N
A
Okay,
that
City
Council
requested
general
manager,
Toronto
water,
to
start
communicating
with
the
public
about
the
projects
being
funded
from
the
water
rate
increases
and
to
also
provide
councils
with
a
list
of
these
projects
and
their
respective
wards.
The
reason
I'm
moving.
That
is
that
when
we
started
the
water
increase
rates
and
when
David
Miller
was
mayor,
we
you
know
told
the
pilot
the
public.
The
reason
why
we
were
increasing
the
water
rates
for
doing
all
these
projects
throughout
the
city
and
that
rate
was
phased
phased
in.
A
N
N
N
Saying
ask
the
provinces,
ask
the
federal
government
that
again
and
again
and
again,
we
do
apply
those
other
government
funds
to
their
projects,
but
by
and
large
we
charge
the
rates
we
do,
because
this
is
not
a
service
that
we
can
afford
to
wing
it
with.
It
really
has
to
be
almost
pay-as-you-go
and
in
partnership
with
other
orders
of
government,
because
it
is
so
crucial.
N
We're
gonna
get
some
of
the
new
criteria
around
around
the
basement
flooding
mitigation
program,
and
it
makes
sense
that
we
should
need
it
by
now.
Over
a
decade
has
passed
since
we
began
this
type
of
program,
and
so
much
study
has
gone
on
and
some
of
the
work
having
been
implemented.
We
can't
afford
to
re-examine
the
criteria
they
use
to
prioritize
and
we
can
communicate
better
I
support
that
motion
and
I
support
both
what
I.
N
What
I
would
not
like
to
see
is
this
beginning
to
step
into
the
prioritization,
because
this
is
one
of
those
areas
where
we
have
to.
We
have
to
admit
how
we
choose
to
do
water
services,
particularly
in
the
capital
side,
cannot
have
a
political
lens
on
it.
It
really
has
to
be
allowed
to
be
coordinated
calendar
eyes
by
the
experts.
Underground
infrastructure
is
the
most
complicated
of
them
all,
and
we
know
that,
if
we're
not
wearing
that
tin
ring,
we
have
no
business
deciding
what
the
priorities
are.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank.
B
You,
madam
sure,
this
is.
We
are
now
speaking
about
the
beginning
of
the
budget
process
for
2020.
We're
dealing,
we're
now,
of
course,
with
the
three
rate
based
budgets
at
Toronto
water,
solid
waste,
and
we
actually
did
show
no
parking
authority
earlier
and
a
lot
of
times.
I
think
we
sometimes
have
a
feeling
that
these
budgets
seem
to
be
going
through
the
process
fairly
quickly.
It's
not
a
lot
of
debate,
not
a
lot
of
questions
a
few
questions
today,
but
we
generally
allow
these
budgets
to
go
through
reasonably
quickly.
B
Now
that
doesn't
suggest
that
they
are
not
important
budgets
when
you're
looking
at
between
the
three
and
we're
spending
over
a
billion
dollars
this
year
alone
between
Toronto
water
and
solid
waste
on
improvements
across
the
city.
So
there
is
a
long
process
staff
work
incredibly
hard.
I
want
to
thank,
of
course,
Lou
and
his
entire
team
for
the
work
that
they
done
at
the
Dillard,
since
that
they
have
done
in
all
year
to
bring
this
budget
to
us
and
it's
a
phenomenal
budget.
I
just
want
to
give
you
some
just
some
data.
B
Just
so,
you
understand
the
breadth
and
how
big
the
water
department
is
in
the
city
they
supply
over
3.6
million
residents
and
businesses
which
supply
435
billion
liters
of
safe
drinking
water
in
this
budget
we're
proposing
a
modest
3%
increase,
but
at
the
same
time,
looking
at
some
key
investments
similar
to
well
660
million
dollars
in
infrastructure
and
state
of
good
repair
backlog
in
this
budget
funding.
Important
initiatives,
as
we
mentioned,
a
hundred
and
thirty
three
million
dollars
of
basement
flooding,
2.1
billion
dollars.
As
Lou
mentioned
over
ten
years.
B
B
So
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
important
work
is
being
done
and
when,
when
our
residents,
when
you
see
that
work-
and
it's
sometimes
frustrating
when
you
seeing
the
work
on
our
streets,
trying
to
be
able
to
get
through,
especially
when
you're
looking
at
winter
time
and
all
that,
but
understanding
that
they're
doing
incredibly
important
work
across
the
city.
And
this
this.
This
budget
is
a
good
news
story.
B
We're
making
the
proper
long-term
investments
to
make
sure
that
the
water
infrastructure
is
well
maintained
and
up
to
a
date.
But
understanding.
Many
many
years
ago
and
a
council
Annunziata
mentioned
that
in
the
Miller
administration
we
had
a
challenge.
We
had
a
challenge
that
the
infrastructure
was
not
keeping
up
to
where
it
needed
to
be
for
the
city,
and
we
made
a
difficult
decision
as
a
council
or
not
me,
but
the
Council
of
the
time
to
look
at
increasing
the
water
rates.
B
Nine
percent
over
nine
years
and
I
was
part
of
that
for
a
few
of
the
years
when
I
was
a
council
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
it
was
a
challenge,
but
we
maintained
that
we
needed
to
replace
the
infrastructure
across
the
city
and
I
think
our
residents
understood
that
now
we
have
to
do
better
with
communicating
as
a
speaker,
Annunziata
has
mentioned
and
I'll
support
that,
but
we
have
been
able
to
get
through
that.
We
are
now
at
a
point.
We
had
a
number
of
five-year.
B
Five
percent
increases,
we're
now
at
three
percent
and
3%
continuing
into
the
future,
and
that
3%,
as
modest
as
it
is,
will
enable
us
to
continue
with
the
right
kind
of
investments
that
we
need
to
continue
with
the
important
waterfront
of
water
infrastructure
all
across
the
city,
which
is
good,
wasn't
easy
to
begin
with,
but
I
think
we're
now
in
a
strong
position
with
regard
to
our
water
budget.
I
want
to
think
of
can,
of
course,
Lew
and
his
entire
team
for
working
incredibly
hard
over
the
year
and
I
do
support
this
wholeheartedly.
Thank
you.
B
H
I
want
to
support
councillor
none
Giada's
motion,
because
I
think
this
is
a
very
let
say,
inadequate
area,
and
that
is
the
area
of
communication
I'd
like
to
know
before
a
construction
project,
whether
it
be
water,
whether
it
be
bridge
reconstruction,
a
road
reconstruction
and
sidewalk.
We
I'm
not
getting
advanced
notice,
so
I
get
calls
from
people
saying
what
are
all
these
trucks
doing
on
my
street
drinking
up
the
street
digging
up
the
park
I'd
like
to
get
that
so
I
can
share
that
information
to
my
constituents.
H
We
are
not
getting
that
then
trying
to
get
a
hold
of
itemized
list
of
the
water
projects.
The
street
improvements
in
my
ward,
so
I
can
let
people
know
here's
what
was
done
this
year.
Here's
what's
underway,
I
can't
seem
to
get
that
information.
My
staff
has
been
working
on
that
for
the
last
two
weeks
and
it's
like
you
know,
trying
to
find
the
Holy
Grail
they're
trying
to
get
that
basic
information,
and
so
here
we
are
a
staff
at
City,
Hall,
experienced
councils
members
and
we
can't
get
a
queue
Majan.
H
L
Yes,
speaker,
I,
just
wanna,
make
a
few
comments,
because
this
is
without
a
doubt,
one
of
the
largest
and
most
transformational
capital
projects
that
we
have
going
in
the
city
and
I
know.
We
talked
about
transit
and
we're
building
tunnels
and
we're
building
housing,
but
we
are
cleaning
our
waterways
with
this
large
system
that
we're
building
and
I.
Think
since
I've
been
here,
we've
taught,
and
particularly
in
parts
of
the
city
that
don't
have
separated
sewers.
We
have
a
combined
sewer
overflow
problem
in
a
big
rain.
L
All
of
that
combined
sewage
flows
into
the
river
flows
into
the
lake
and
often
flows
into
many
basements
in
basement
flooding
areas
and
we've
identified
where
they
are
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
So
this
is
a
massive
project
associated
with
our
main
sewage
treatment
plant
and
all
of
you
who
flush
your
toilet
anywhere
outside
of
North
Toronto
or
at
Scarborough.
Then
we
welcome
all
of
your
water
all
of
your
sewage
to
this
huge
piece
of
infrastructure.
It
is
massive.
I
also
know
that
I
mean
this
is
not
just
the
tunnel.
This
is
the
whole
system.
L
These
tunnels
will
be
holding
the
water
before
it
goes
in
to
the
river.
It
will
then
be
pumping
that
back
out
it
will
be
clean.
The
outfall
is
being
built
so
far
out
into
the
lake
right.
At
the
moment
this
has
been
I,
don't
know,
I
might
say
a
10
or
15
year
project
and
we're
here
at
the
culmination
it's
pretty
exciting
for
those
who
are
wearing
whether
you're
wearing
an
iron
ring
or
a
tin
ring
or
a
gold
ring.
L
It's
a
massive
project
and
an
important
import
Gordan
investment
in
clean
water,
where
we
truly
expect
to
turn
on
our
taps.
We
truly
expect
to
have
clean
water
and
it's
part
of
our
wet
weather
flow
master
plan.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
all
of
those
people
who
have
CSO
combined
in
their
basements.
This
is
a
big
step
forward.
I
also
just
want
to
take
a
second
to
just
talk
about.
This
is
some.
L
What's
a
huge
it's
a
huge
project,
it's
a
big
capital
works
and
as
well
as
putting
in
the
tunnels
the
soil
from
building
this
or
digging.
This
is
going
out
to
create
islands
as
part
of
new
tommy
Thompson
Park.
This
is
not
just
one
little
tunnel.
This
is
a
huge
master
plan
for
the
watershed
and
in
building
new
and
exciting
infrastructure
at
the
main
sewage
treatment
plant.
I
also
want
to
congratulate
our
general
manager
of
Toronto
water
because
of
all
of
the
gases
that
they're
creating
as
they're
treating
that
sewage.
L
They
are
almost
using
reusing
up
to
70%
in
order
to
run
the
sewage
treatment
plant.
That
my
friends
is
incredible.
That
is
a
very
big
part
of
our
pro
climate
plan,
reusing
the
methane
reusing
the
gases
that
are
created
in
that
treatment
system
to
run
run
the
sewage
treatment
plant.
I
I
find
those
things
pretty
exciting,
I
think
mr.
Dee
Geronimo
finds
them
excite.
You
might
not
all
find
that
really
exciting,
but
congratulations
to
everyone.
That's
brought
it
this
far.
Q
A
A
A
S
Ask
a
question
and
it
may
be
kind
of
an
open-ended.
What
did
you
explain
to
us
how
we
arrived
at
a
situation
where
we're
removing
the
entire
subsidy
from
medium
bins
this
year
and
half
this
the
rebate?
Sorry
for
for
medium
bins
and
half
the
rebate
for
the
small
bins
and
just
explain
to
us
the
progression
that
brought
us
here.
E
Through
you,
madam
chair
to
the
counselor
last
year,
a
council
Council
decided
and
provided
staff
with
the
policy
direction
on
phasing
out
the
rebates
on
the
remaining
bins
that
currently
had
rebates.
So
the
small
bin
would
be
phased
out
over
three
years
and
the
median
bin
would
be
phased
out
over
two
years.
This
is
year
two
of
that
plan,
so
the
medium
bin
is
being
phased
out
this
year
with
a
third
of
the
rebate
remaining
on
the
small
which
will
be
phased
out
in
next
year's
budget
in
2021.
Thank.
S
Rebate
is
mentioned
in
this
budget
document.
I
like
I,
don't
see
how
it
can
possibly
be
a
question
to
our
staff
about
how
they
arrived
at
the
rate.
Without
me
asking
about
something
that's
listed
in
the
budget
I'm
not
making
a
motion,
it
was
ruled
out
of
order
at
the
budget
committee
just
to
get
more
information
and
I'm
asking
about
how
we're
arriving
at
this
particular
rate.
I
take
issue
with
the
fact
that
the
budget
chief
just
snuck
over
and
whispered
into
your
ear.
You
should
roll
that
out
of
order.
A
S
A
N
S
B
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
actually
came
up
to
you
because
you
were
looking
at
me
and
you're
on
budget
and
this
item
actually
came
up.
A
budget
I
was
very
clear
from
recommendations
from
the
clerk's
on
this
particular
item.
It's
a
challenge
every
year.
It's
a
challenge
when
we
go
through
this
rate
base
because
part
of
it
sits
in
the
operating
budget.
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
combine
the
two,
but
we
can't.
B
B
Hence
why
I
just
I
had
to
get
up
and
speak
with
the
speaker
on
this
particular
item.
As
I
said,
I'd
love
to
once
this
rebate
system
is
gone
in
a
couple
of
years.
We're
not
gonna
have
this
challenge,
but
until
that
happens,
we're
gonna
have
the
same
challenge.
It
happened
last
year.
It
happened
the
year
before
and
it's
happening
again
right
now.
B
E
A
A
A
S
S
N
N
In
the
in
the
rather
provocative
media
releases
for
for
the
the
launch
of
the
budget,
the
media
zeroed
in
on
what
is
a
multi-year
program
and
by
the
end
of
the
multi-year
rollout
pardon
the
pun.
What
will
the
percentage
increases
be
when
we
get
to
the
final
rate
of
this
rollout
of
the
small
and
medium
sized
bins?
So.
E
E
Through
you,
madam
chair
to
the
councillor,
the
the
fee,
the
solid
waste
management
fee
that
solid
waste
charges
for
its
services
will
go
up
two
and
a
half
percent
this
year
and
approximately
two
and
a
half
to
three
percent
next
year,
depending
on
council
direction.
That
is
what
our
solid
waste
management
fee
is
without
any
discussion
around
the
rebate
as
that
isn't
operating
well,.
N
G
Madam
Speaker
I
understand
why
we're
having
this
miss
centers
yeah,
because
we
will
have
a
chance
to
discuss
all
of
this
at
the
time
the
operating
budget
is
under
discussion
and
the
the
you
know
on
television
in
one
of
those
court
cases
you'd
call
it
badgering.
The
witness
they've
event
he's
answered
the
question
three
times
now
and
said
it's
2.5
percent,
maybe
2.75
percent
next
year.
That
is
all
he's
able
to
answer
as
it
respects
the
solid
waste
budget
which
is
what's
on
the
floor.
G
The
operating
budget
of
the
city
is
not
on
the
floor
today.
It
will
be
on
the
floor
in
the
new
year
and
that's
the
time
when
we
can
have
the
discussion
that
people
want
to
have
a
vote,
but
the
impact
on
the
bin
rates,
because
today
he
can't
answer
that
question
because
he
doesn't
know
what
is
going
to
happen
in
the
operating
discussion.
That's
why
it's
not
on
the
floor
today
and
it
really
supports
the
point.
Counselor
Crawford
was
making
about
these
being
two
separate
budgets
for
better
or
for
worse,
that's
what
they
are.
Okay,.
A
N
If,
if
there
is
an
impact
on
the
consumer,
if
there
is
an
impact
on
the
consumer
over
and
above
what
we're
discussing
today,
when
will
we
be
able
to
address
that
that
impact
will?
We
still
will
we
have
the
ability
to
address
that
impact
using
what
are
not
property
taxes,
but
fees
here?
Will
we
have
that
ability
in
February
of
2020,
when
we're
in
this
chamber
on
the
operating
budget
a
through.
E
N
E
E
You,
madam
chair,
my
question
is:
when
will
they
see
the
rate
increase
on
their
bill?
Will
that
be
effective
january
immediately?
When
will
they
see
that
through
you,
madam
chair,
the
bill
will
be
adjusted,
the
rates
will
be
adjusted,
January
1st
and
they
will
be
on
the
residents.
Subsequent
bills
throws
a
year.
Okay,.
S
Have
a
motion
if
it
could
be
put
on
the
screen
and
that's
the
City
Council
requests
the
general
manager,
solid
waste
management
services
to
report
back
as
part
of
the
2021
budget
process
on
the
impact
of
fees
and
diversion
rates
and
source
separation.
This
this
was
never
supposed
to
get
this
heated,
even
even
at
committee
Mike.
What
my
questions
were
about
defending
the
staff
position,
which
I
have
supported
in
council,
which
I
have
supported
in
Council
several
times
now
that
the
full
cost
of
solid
waste
services
should
be
reflected
in
our
bills.
S
S
Large
bins
were
all
the
way
on
medium,
bins
and
and
small
bins
were
the
last
ones
to
get
taken
off,
because
we
wanted
to
encourage
people
to
continue
to
recycle
and
to
source
separate.
Mr.
mayor
I
was
I
was
backing
you
up.
I
was
trying
to
address
the
misconceptions
that
were
out
there
about
this
policy
I.
Even
when
I
saw
some
of
my
colleagues
speak
out
about
it.
I
raised
it
with
them
to
explain
it.
I
was
only
trying
to
explain
it.
S
I
wasn't
trying
to
start
a
fight
here
at
Council,
with
my
good
friend
when
my
good
friend
mr.
Crawford,
a
budget
chief
Crawford
I
certainly
was
not
what
I
suggested
at
committee
and
it's
because
it's
the
only
way
that
I
knew
how
to
get
to.
This
point
was
for
staff
to
provide
a
briefing
note
to
counsel
about
the
impacts
of
the
changing
fees
or
anticipated
impacts
on
diversion
rates,
because
we
know
we
want
to
continue
achieving
a
high
rate
of
diversion
it
was
ruled
out
of
over
order.
S
Then
it
we
got
into
it
a
little
bit
of
committee.
It
got
resolved,
and
so
I've
come
up
with
this
motion
that
I
think
crafts
it
in
a
different
way
and
doesn't
try
to
change
the
rates
this
year.
There
is
still
an
incentive
on
the
small
bin
this
year,
small
one,
but
still
there
and
look
to
see,
and
it
may
not
be
the
case
it
actually
may
be,
and
in
having
some
conversations
with
our
solid
waitstaff.
S
The
opposite
may
be
true
that
the
financial
incentive
that
we're
giving
small
bins
may,
in
fact
negatively
contribute
to
source
separation.
That
might
be
the
case,
and
if
that
is
then
then
I'm
going
to
work
as
hard
as
I
can
to
make
sure
that,
whatever
rate
structure,
we
have
we're
encouraging
source
separation.
So
I'm,
sorry,
if
if
the
line
of
questioning
was
changing
the
messaging
around
this,
that
was
not
the
intent.
I
won't
mention
the
policy
that
shall
not
be
named.
S
There's
no
point
mentioning
it
in
the
actual
operating
budget
part,
because
this
issue
will
be
resolved
by
my
motion.
I
hope,
you'll
support.
What
it's
actually
trying
to
do
is
just
make
sure
we're
using
pricing
as
a
function
of
encouraging
source
separation
and
I'd
apologize
for
any
and
any
heat.
We
brought
into
the
chamber
as
we're
about
to
retire,
to
have
a
more
joyful
opportunity
with
one
another
to
exchange
our
season's
blessings.
D
The
the
examination
of
the
suggested
report
to
look
at
it
in
the
reverse,
in
that
raising
prices,
drives
people
to
lower
bin
sizes,
smaller
bin
sizes,
and
also
drives
behavior,
such
as
illegal
dumping
and
contaminating
the
blue
bin
on
purpose
so
he's
through
you,
councillor
Layton
is
looking
at
it
from
one
way
and
I
wondered
if,
if
he
would
consider
as
part
of
the
report
as
a
reasonable
amendment
that
we
look
at
the
other
side
is,
is
you
know,
raising
these
prices?
Does
that
have
an
effect
on
behavior
of
citizens
and
some
obnoxious,
behaviors
I've.
S
C
Well,
there's
not
based
on
the
speaker's
ruling,
there's
not
a
lot
that
they
can
say
with
respect
to
what
I
would
have
liked
to
say,
except
I'll
begin
with
the
council.
Aid
and
I
have
not
seen
eye
to
eye
on
every
aspect
of
this
item,
but
there
is
no
one
who
has
been
more
articulate
and
caring
about
defending
the
position.
That
counsel
I
believe
is
going
to
take
then
counts
relating
I.
Believe
every
word
that
he
just
said
behind
me.
C
I
fundamentally
disagree
with
the
approach
to
see
rates
go
up
because
of
the
things
that
cannot
be
named
on
the
small
bins
at
the
pace
that
they
will
go
up.
I
would
far
rather
see
more
transitional
approach,
which
sees
the
rates
on
the
larger
bins,
go
up.
The
smaller
bins
stay
static
and
then
incent
more
households
to
choose
less
waste
and
go
to
the
small
bins
and
they
have
greater
enforcement
on
the
households
that
currently
have
small
bins
with
respect
to
them
dumping
their
garbage
into
the
recycling
bins.
C
I,
think
that
is
a
better
approach,
because
the
uptake
I
understand
on
the
small
bins
is
only
roughly
2%
a
year.
Transitioning
from
the
larger
bins
to
the
small
business
I'd
like
to
see
a
far
bigger
transition
where
people
choose
less
waste
find
out
in
it
by
the
way
I
went
through
the
same
transition.
We
used
to
have
a
medium-sized
bin,
and
you
know,
as
a
family,
we
couldn't
imagine
going
to
a
small
bin.
It
only
holds
essentially
the
size
of
one
large,
a
black
bag,
but
we
did
we
got
there.
C
The
price
was
helpful
and
guess
what
we
figured
it
out.
We
figured
it
out
and
we
do
it
more.
People
can
do
it.
Sometimes
it's
the
environmental
cause
that
helps
them
arrive,
but
sometimes
it
is
the
savings.
It
often
is
the
savings.
That's
why
the
the
five
cent
on
the
the
plastic
bag?
Sorry
with
all
due
respect,
Michael,
it
actually
worked
until
it
was
thrown
out.
So
I've
struggled
to
figure
out
how
to
like
what
to
do
with
this
Multi
multi,
multi-million
dollar
thing
that
we
can't
describe
today
and
how
to
offset
it
and
I.
C
Don't
have
an
answer
today
and
that's
why
I
don't
have
a
motion
but
I'm
going
to
be
voting
against
going
forward
with
higher
rates
in
the
small
bins.
They
don't
think
it's
good
public
policy
I
think
I
really
think
we
need
to
rethink
and
I
hope
given
councillor
Layton's
motion
that
there'll
be
an
opportunity
for
their
rethink,
but
I
can't
I
can't
support
moving
forward
with
the
policy
that
I
just
fundamentally
disagree
with.
N
N
It
does,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
acceptable,
it
can
simply
be
placed
and
we
can
proceed
with
the
business
of
this
meeting
because
I'm
in
the
chair,
so
I
can't
put
myself
on
the
floor
to
speak
unless
anyone
else
has
an
intention
to
speak
and
was
waiting
for
a
dramatic
moment.
This
would
be
it
councillor,
Crawford
in
a
pinch,
Thank
You,
councillor
Crawford.
What
would
you
like
to
say
your
deputy.
B
Made
her
speaker
Carroll,
first
of
all,
as
I've
said
on
the
water,
these
are
the
rate
based
budgets.
We
sometimes
don't
give
them
the
recognition
that
they
have,
as
I
said
in
the
last
speech
with
the
water
but
they're
incredibly
important.
This
is
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
this
city.
People
want
to
make
sure
that
when
they
turn
on
their
their
taps,
they
have
water
and
when
they
put
the
garbage
out
at
the
side
of
the
road
or
in
the
apartment
that
it
gets
picked
up.
B
It's
a
frustrating
conversation
for
all
of
us
because
we're
dealing
with
two
different
budgets
and
I
respect
where
the
manager
of
solid
waste
is
coming
from,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
he
is
going
to
be
made
whole,
whether
it's
through
them
the
money
that
he
needs
to
run.
His
division
is
he's
going
to
get
that
money.
It's
gonna,
be
primarily
through
rates,
but
there's
another
component
that
is
on
the
operating
side
and
unfortunately
he's
fine
I
mean
so
it
doesn't
matter
where
that
money
is.
B
B
We
all
have
thoughts
about
that,
and
and,
as
we
heard
in
last
year's
budget,
I
think
we'll
be
moving
to
the
next
step
on
that.
But
let
me
just
provide
some
facts
that
are
important
when
we're
looking
at
this
particular
budget
and
solid
waste
over
900,000
homes,
businesses,
institutions,
charities,
religious
organization
and
schools,
city
agencies
and
divisions
are
using,
of
course,
this.
This
division
I
do
have
to
make
a
correction
by
the
way
I'm
glad
that
council
Carol
mentioned
that
I
mentioned
about
the
organics
processing
facility
is
gonna
happen.
12
years
sooner.
B
That's
on
this
budget,
not
on
the
water
budget,
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that,
but
as
budget
share,
like
all
divisions
like
all
great
agencies,
that
we
deal
with
we're,
always
committed
to
finding
efficiencies.
Continuing
key
investments
such
as
solid
waste-
you
know,
as
I
said,
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
modest,
a
two-and-a-half
percent
increase,
which
is
the
rate
of
inflation,
which
we
have
achieved
with
this.
B
But
it's
something
that
we
need
to
have
on,
which
is
what
do
we
do
with
Greenlee
we're,
okay
right
now,
but
I
think
as
we
look
into
the
future
solid
waste
and
the
division
is
going
to
have
to
be
bringing
us
some
recommendations
on
really
what
we
need
to
do
with
green
lane
for
the
future
and
how
we
manage
eyes.
It's
not
here,
but
I
just
wanted
council
to
know
that,
as
we
did
with
water,
we
had
the
nine
percent
over
nine
years.
B
I'm
not
suggesting
it's
gonna
be
like
that
at
all,
in
fact,
but
we
may
need
to
look
at
a
program
over
a
number
of
years
to
be
able
to
ensure
that
you
know
garbage
will
be
picked
up
every
day
and
I
think
that's
a
conversation
that
will
be
happening
as
I
said
next
year,
but
that's
is
on
the
radar.
I
want
to
thank,
of
course,
solid
waste.
All
the
people
in
that
division
who
work
incredibly
hard.
B
You
see
it
day
in
and
day
out,
when
those
garbage
trucks
are
coming
to
pick
up
our
garbage
at
the
end
of
the
street.
We
see
it
when
we
get
the
telephone
calls
where
sometimes
they
may
have
missed
it
or
they
may
have
missed
recycling.
You
put
it
out
late.
They
work
incredibly
hard.
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
in
that
division
for
the
work
they
do.
N
You,
madam
Speaker,
so
so
way
back
in
the
late
50s
when
I
was
chair
of
works,
it
feels
like
that
we
were
driving
every
day
to
Michigan
with
all
of
our
garbage
we
needed
to
get
out,
it
needs
to
buy
a
landfill.
We
also
knew
that
we
must
never
again
be
caught
short
as
we
were
when
Kiel
Valley
landfill
ran
out
and
when
Michigan
said
get
the
heck
out
of
here
and
so
along
with
buying
Green
Lane.
N
We
started
this
utility
and
we
have
been
going
along
and
the
people
who
need
the
biggest
applause
are
our
residents,
because
they've
had
to
go
on
this
journey
of
turning
solid
waste
into
a
consumption
based,
cost
recovery
utility
come
what
may
and
it
started
out
with
the
most
complex
matrix
because
of
the
structure
that
we
have
in
our
taxes
and
that's
a
reality.
But
this
thing
that
we
had
that
little
dust-up
about
is
really
about
cost
recovery.
People
are
saying,
don't
worry,
this
is
cost
recovery.
Well,
it
won't
be
until
we
finish
that.
N
N
N
We
only
have
a
couple
more
years
to
do
it,
but
we're
doing
a
disservice
to
the
very
people
that
took
a
leap
of
faith
with
us
to
move
from
paying
for
their
prop
their
their
garbage
through
their
property
tax
to
this
consumption
based
cost
recovery
mode
and
we're
not
fairly
communicating
with
them.
I
find
that
very,
very
sad.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
A
A
A
B
How
do
we
move
forward
on
a
strategic
public
art
strategy
for
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
what
the
strategy
really
says
is
that
cities
need
to
rethink
the
public
art
as
an
integral
part
of
a
healthy
City.
We
sometimes
don't
really
realize
how
important
public
art
is.
We
see
it,
it
is
there.
Sometimes
we
see
it
sometimes,
who
don't
see
it?
Sometimes
public
art
hits
the
front
pages
of
the
newspaper
because
it's
a
little
controversial,
but
it's
an
incredibly
important
integral
part
of
a
healthy
City.
B
This
particular
public
art
strategy
there's
a
five
key
components
to
that
number
one.
It's
about
renewing
our
commitment
for
public
art
in
Toronto,
so
but
we're
redefining
public
art,
making
it
inclusive
and
everywhere
in
the
city,
not
just
downtown,
not
just
in
front
of
developments
across
the
city,
and
it
said
making
it
everywhere
in
underrepresented
areas,
and
we
want
to
simplify
the
process.
B
It's
a
very
complicated
process,
there's
a
number
of
different
components
to
that
across
the
city,
so
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
creating
a
single
public
art
office,
our
office,
sorry
and,
of
course,
partnerships.
Looking
at
robust
funding
on
how
do
we
fund
this
particular
thing?
Well,
what
is
it?
This
is
a
key
strategy
when
we're
moving
forward
and
the
mayor
had
announced
a
couple
of
months
ago,
the
year
of
public
art
that
we're
going
to
be
celebrating
in
2021.
This
is
the
anchor
and
a
key
component
of
that
celebration.
B
Think
on
the
first
page,
if
you
had
an
opportunity
to
read,
the
report
is
about
our
commitment
to
truth
and
reconciliation
with
indigenous
communities
and
championing
the
work
of
indigenous
artists
and
you'll,
see
that
as
we
get
into
the
formation
of
the
year
of
public
art,
how
incredibly
important
the
indigenous
artists
in
this
city
across
the
country
and
internationally
prominent
so
I
just
want
to
thank
again
staff
with
economic
development
and
culture
who
did
an
incredibly
strong
job
on
this
and
I
fully
endorse
and
support.
This
report.
A
P
P
P
And
with
respect
to
those
tenants
who
are
still
out
of
their
homes,
they,
like
we've,
just
hosted
their
second
Christmas
party,
to
be
quite
honest
in
the
local
community,
so
they're
they've
now
been
out
of
their
homes
for
over
a
year,
there's
no
defined
re-entry
date
to
go
back
home.
Are
we
still
paying
for
any
additional
services
to
keep
the
the
residents
safe
and
with
a
roof
over
their
heads?
Is
there
any
more
City
cost
that
that
we're
bearing
right?
Now?
Madam.
P
E
P
P
P
E
P
P
P
With
respect
to
the
the
amount
of
time
and
energy
spent
to
recover
the
cost,
what
is
that?
What
does
that
quantum
amount
to
if
we
were?
If
you
were
a
private
sector
law
firm,
you
would
be
sending
us
a
bill
for
billable
hours
to
go
recover.
This
cost
perhaps
go
through
court
proceedings
to
recover
this
cost.
E
P
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
just
going
to
to
move
that
we
received
this
report,
but
I
did
want
to
flag
and
highlight,
madam
speaker,
the
fact
that
the
City
of
Toronto.
This
is
a
great
example
of
why
we
needed
to
strengthen
our
rents
safe
by
law,
to
ensure
that
when
we
take
on
mayor
emergency
cost
to
keep
residents
safe,
that
we
need
to
have
a
way
to
recover
that
cost
as
quickly
as
possible.
P
You've
just
heard
from
the
city
solicitor
that
they
have
two
senior
lawyers
that
have
spent
over
50
billable
hours
if
they
were
working
in
the
private
sector
to
to
try
to
recover
that
cost.
And-
and
if
you
do
a
quick
back
of
a
napkin
mathematics,
you'll
know
we're
already
into
the
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
legal
costs
and
probably
heading
into
the
hundreds
of
thousand
dollars
of
market
legal
services
to
recover
that
cost
by
way
of
Demand.
P
Let
by
way
of
asking
and
seeking
meetings
by
way
of
waiting
like
literally
months
now
and
I,
know
that
they
they
began
this.
These
negotiations
in
the
spring
of
2019,
so
I
would
say
that
they're,
probably
very
generous
by
saying
it's
been
50
hours,
I
suspect
is
probably
or
conservative-
that's
probably
been
more
than
that.
P
But,
madam
Speaker,
this
is
a
sizable
amount
of
money
and
if
we
were
to
be
taking
on
these
type
of
costs
on
behalf
of
landlords
and
property
owners
and
corporations
and
picking
up
their
their
environmental
spills
or
perhaps
any
other
emergency
costs,
I
think
that
we
could
all
agree
that
by
strengthening
the
bylaw
which
we
did
last
month,
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
we
know
that
this
cost
is
probably
not
gonna.
Rape
me
remain
stagnant
at
just
three
point:
one:
five:
five
for
ten
million
dollars.
P
So
for
those
who
felt
that
the
private
sector
was
was
put
under
undue
hardship
by
being
asked
to
to
pay
the
city
back
for
costs
incurred
on
their
behalf
and
their
responsibilities,
I
just
want
to
remind
counsel.
This
is
what
happens
when
we
let
them
off
the
hook
or
if
we
don't
have
a
policy
or
a
program
or
a
protocol
that
allows
us
to
recapture
that
cost.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
their
hard
work,
because
I
know
it's
ongoing
discussions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
L
So
for
any
reason,
there's
a
compliance
problem
and
I
will
be
moving
a
separate
motion
in
January
about
another
matter
that
has
to
do
with
review
of
development
applications.
But
the
clerk
has
said:
I
can't
move
it
here.
So
I
think
that
this
has
come
out
of
the
Ombudsman's
report,
which
you
may
or
may
not
remember.
L
The
Ombudsman
recommended
that
Toronto
Hydro
have
much
better
communication
with
the
residents
with
whom
they're
working
in
order
to
establish
all
of
the
new
hydro
poles
and
that
they
should
be
replacing
those
poles
as
soon
as
the
project
is
complete
and
a
whole
number
of
other
things.
And
so
there's
been
a
protocol.
L
That's
been
developed
where
Toronto
Hydro
will
have
to
basically
follow
the
guidelines
that
the
city
has
for
any
work
in
the
right-of-way
with
residents
and
I
was
going
to
say
to
report
back
annually
on
all
of
the
read
on
all
of
the
basically
the
consent
requirements,
but
I
think
it's
better.
If
there's
compliance
issues
that
get
raised,
because
the
Ombudsman
would
be
interested
in
that,
so
that
I
just
want
to
thank
the
Ombudsman
for
her
work
again
here.
L
It
was
a
very
difficult
project,
the
project,
Carla
and
as
well
the
transportation
staff
on
coming
up
with
what
I
think
is
very
creative
and
a
good
compliance
method
for
Toronto
Hydro
and,
while
I'm
on
my
feet.
It
will
also
thank
the
transportation
staff
for
their
very
quick
work
after
a
shooting
on
an
illegal
film.
A
lot
of
shootings
in
Riverdale
this
week
and
in
getting
to
deal
with
to
make
the
lookout
or
Chester
Hill
a
much
safer
place,
so
I
just
want
to
personally
thank
Ms
gray
and
her
staff
for
that
here.
H
M
A
D
You,
madam
Speaker
I'm
gonna,
try
to
find
it
here
page
for
IX,
11.24,
relocation
of
the
Etobicoke
Civic
Center
I
hope
this
is
a
quick
release.
If
I
could
have
the
the
motion
on
the
screen,
it
would
be
some
additional
requests
of
staff
counsel.
Grimes
has
seen
this
certainly
worked
on
it
with
staff.
I've
asked
for
three
things:
one
is
to
see
if
we
can
protect
the
ability
to
have
a
community
center
here,
as
planned
in
the
next
report.