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City Council, meeting 34, November 7, 2017 - Part 3 of 3 - Evening Session
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A
A
A
A
D
C
C
D
F
Waiting
for
counselor
Grimes
to
arrive
because
I
know
that
he
wants
to
move
a
motion
on
this,
and
if
anyone
can
help
me
remember
where
the
item
for
the
strike
committee
for
the
exhibition
place,
I
found
at
page
8,
st
14.8,
I'm
I,
just
I
want
to
vote
against
it
because
I
can't
a
good
conscience
support.
One
of
the
members
who
are
being
recommended.
Okay,.
A
A
G
Madam
speaker,
thank
you
very
much
question
regarding
the
crossing
guards.
I
just
want
to
get
clarification
on
this.
We
put
out
an
RF
I
and
we
now
have
a
company
or
two
who
may
be
interested
in
taking
over
this
program.
My
concern
is
when
we
put
this
out
to
a
company,
does
that
mean
that
all
the
crossing
guards
we
have
right
now
will
no
longer
be
employed
or
their
employment
will
be
moved
to
this
new
company
through.
H
You,
madam
Speaker,
that
RFI
generated
for
firms
of
interest
what
we
put
in
that
RFI
was
evincing
an
interest
in
whether
any
of
these
companies
would
be
willing
to
take
on
the
existing
crossing
guards
as
staff,
and
there
was
lots
of
interest
in
that.
So
we
think
that
we
can
work
through
issues
of
transfers
for
people
who
are
interested
in
doing
so.
G
G
These
crossing
guards
new
crossing
guard
company
be
provided
training
on
the
fact
that
they
are
supposed
to
help
everyone
across
that
crossing,
not
just
the
little
kids
anyone
who's
coming
through
through
you.
Yes,
okay,
will
we
be
able
to
use
this
company
in
locations
where
crossing
guards
are
warranted,
but
we
don't
actually
have
anyone
in
those
positions
right
now
through.
H
I
H
J
H
I
I
I
E
E
E
I
K
Speaker,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
so
so
we
all
of
these
are
things
that
have
been
in
earlier
reports
in
terms
of
letting
council
know
about
the
way
forward,
but
I
think
now
that
we're
actually
moving.
You
have
everyone's
attention.
So
with
respect
to
the
REO
I
hear
a
lot
of
people
are
surprised
now
that
that
we're
contracting
out,
but
I've
heard
you
say
that
in
terms
of
requests
for
interest,
the
rules
are
a
little
more
flexible
there.
K
So,
in
terms
of
REO
eyes,
you've
had
people
come
back
and
the
conversation
has
been
about
they're
already
as
a
trained
force
of
crossing
guards.
Would
you
be
interested
in
using
them?
So
that's,
that's.
Alright,
special
training
is
needed
when
you
move
from
lifeguarding
a
Parks
and
Rec
pool
to
the
beach
you're
you're,
not
as
far
down
the
track.
E
The
speaker
from
understanding
correct
the
model
that
we're
working
on
now
would
be
that
the
lifeguards
that
had
traditionally
performed
the
service
and
been
supervised
by
Toronto
police
PF
Norwood
now
hire
those
lifeguards
would
provide
some
additional
training
to
ensure
that
they
received
the
appropriate
level
of
training.
The
different
type
of
training
required
for
a
waterfront
life
grading
service
and
would
be
reporting
in
and
hired
through
parks,
forestry
and
recreation
in
the
city.
There
would
be
city
employees,
okay,.
K
And
has
there
been
any
opportunity
in
terms
of
the
crossing
guards
there
we're
not
we're,
not
all
madly
in
love
with
the
model,
as
is
exists
today,
many
times
this
council
chamber
we've
had
a
counselor
be
upset
because
they
want
a
crossing
guard.
They
think
they
need
a
crossing
guard
and
the
police
don't
agree
and
they
don't
get
the
crossing
guard.
Could
we
could
we
explore
the
authorization
model?
K
C
K
K
Part
of
the
problem,
I
think,
is
that
there
is
a
there's
a
bit
of
a
disconnect,
because
all
of
that
was
also
looked
at
at
at
the
police
service
and
through
the
the
way
forward,
task
force
and
and
reported
out
to
the
board
and
citizens
who
go
there,
and-
and
we
looked
at
all
of
these
different
models
before
even
recommending
that
we-
that
we
do
that,
but
council
doesn't
see
that
and
a
lot
of
the
citizens
don't
within
the
timelines
that
are
here.
Is
there
time
to
bring
some
of
that
knowledge?
K
Some
of
the
scan
that
you
have
done.
Some
of
the
reviews
we've
done
and
some
of
the
reforms
that
we're
looking
at
here,
including
that
the
initial
services
that
have
taken
place
in
other
police
services,
moving
things
back
to
municipalities
is
there
time
within
the
process
for
these
first
two
transactions
to
bring
some
of
that
knowledge
forward.
So
the
council
understands
the
iterative
process
that
brought
us
here.
K
C
K
And
last
question:
madam
Speaker,
there
are
many
many
other
recommendations
here
and,
while
it
doesn't
say
in
all
of
the
other
services
coming
forward
in
the
later
recommendations,
we
talk
about
things
moving
over
here.
The
police
are
already
reducing
their
budget.
We've
gone
from
fifty
five
hundred
officers,
we're
now
at
forty
seven,
fifty
so
we've
been
flatlining
and
absorbing
and
reducing
we're.
We're
not
gonna,
see
a
recommendation
that
transfers
funds
over
because
that's
not
how
we
do
our
general
accounting,
our
general
ledger
just
takes
revenue
in
and
counts
at.
L
So
we're
not
transferring
any
of
our
staff
over
to
the
city
to
run
these
programs,
but
certainly
the
city
will
have
the
need
to
hire
people
to
actually
manage
the
contract,
especially
the
Contra
of
the
school
crossing
guard,
which
is
kind
of
a
new
program.
The
other
program,
the
lifeguard
program,
can
probably
be
integrated
into
the
current
Parks
and
Rec
portfolio
with
some
additional
management
cost
I
would
think.
Okay.
A
F
F
B
Transformational
task
force
to
allow
the
police
to
focus
in
on
their
core
business.
We
have
staff
have
been
quite
supportive
of
that
understanding
that
that
we
do
want
police
resources
to
be
focused
directly
on
on
police
business.
The
accounting
of
this
is
actually
a
little
bit
difficult,
but
but
it's
likely
underpriced
in
the
police
model.
B
If
the
police
were
retaining
this,
they
likely
have
to
as
part
of
their
transformation
revisit
that
it
would
likely
end
up
costing
a
little
bit
more
in
on
balance,
we're
taking
the
existing
resources
from
the
police,
shifting
it
over
to
the
city.
When
we
actually
do
the
ORF
is.
It
looks
like
it
costs
a
little
bit
more,
but
the
costs
are
probably
very
very
simple.
F
C
D
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
in
terms
of
the
lifeguard
and
boat
and
the
crossing
guard
budgets,
we
are
transferring
all
the
direct
costs.
We
have
arrangements
with
some
additional
costs
that
the
budget
will
come
over
and
we're
actually
employing
the
the
police
services
to
continue
the
warrant
program
in
the
short
term,
for
example,
water
testing,
that's
getting
done
through
Toronto
water
and
then
on
the
crossing
guards.
We
are
also
have
about
half
of
their
indirect
costs
transferred
over
to
the
city.
A
D
A
Going
to
hold
on
hold
on,
we
have
staff
that
are
trying
to
answer
questions
and
we
have
counselors
that
are
asking
the
staff
the
questions
now,
please
councillor
Davis,
please
allow
the
staff
to
hear
the
questions,
so
they
can
answer.
Thank
you.
Just
take
your
seat,
please!
Okay,
counselor
Matt!
Go
ahead!
Sorry,
I.
F
Typically,
when,
when
a
member
of
council
is
holding
a
meeting
with
with
community
about
a
transportation
related
matter
as
we
do
about
other
matters,
is
it
not
commonplace
that
a
member
of
your
staff
will
will
attend
those
meetings
to
provide
information
to
answer
questions,
often
on
evenings
or
during
the
day?
What
have
you
is
that?
Is
that
not
a
common
occurrence
through.
F
F
H
F
What
to
whomever
would
be
the
reasonable
person
to
answer
this?
It's
not
reasonable
to
suggest,
in
the
same
spirit,
with
the
same
mission
that
if
a
member
of
council
needs
a
represent
a
representative
of
the
police
service,
whether
it
be
uniformed
or
civilian,
but
somebody
there
to
be
able
to
provide
information
and
answer
questions
that
they
should
make
themselves
available
to
support
the
community.
M
M
L
M
M
You
over
to
the
general
manager
of
transportation,
one
of
the
contemplations
in
in
the
report
of
the
committee
recommendations
is
the
vet,
our
own
in-house
warrants.
Do
we
have
warrants
for
other
things
in
this
city,
traffic
lights,
stop
signs,
speed,
humps
left
turn.
Sorry,
not
life
turns,
but
you
know
what
I
mean
there
are
warrants
through
you.
Yes,
we
do
does
counsel,
have
a
habit
of
ignoring
those
warrants
and
doing
whatever
we
please.
M
We
can't
trust
okay,
given
the
the
amount
of
dollars
that
are
transferring
over
and
we
just
heard
that
the
crossing
guards
are
provided
as
warranted.
Is
it
a
reasonable,
assert,
a
ssin
that
this
will
be
a
growth
industry
in
this
city?
If
we
bring
the
cost
and
guard
program
over
and
develop
warrants
where
we
will
apply
and
insert
these
individuals
into
the
community
notes,
so.
H
M
H
M
You
suspect
that
they'll,
you
know,
based
on
some
of
the
recommendations
of
the
committee,
that
there
will
be
a
change
in
the
warrants
and
where
you
will
recommend
that
crossing
guards
go
based
on
what
the
warrants
are
today
to
where
you
might
envision
them.
Even
if
this
is
only
an
empirical
statement
at
this
point
in
time
through.
H
M
H
A
Dt
no.
B
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
My
questions
follow
closely
with
councilor
holidays,
emotion.
When
the
program
transfers
over
to
the
city,
if
approved
today,
will
we
also
get
the
data,
in
other
words
the
list
of
requests
across
the
city,
the
personnel
who
requested
them,
whether
it
came
from
a
counselor's
office
or
an
individual?
Will
we
get
the
data
that
drove
the
warrant
results
in
the
staff
reports,
or
will
there
be
an
Iron
Curtain
going
down
saying?
Well,
that's
that's
confidential
information
you're,
not
getting
that
data!
H
B
When
we
do
receive
so
we're
getting
your
assurances
that
all
that
data
will
be
moved
over
so
people
who've
groups
that
have
been
or
schools
that
have
been
on
the
list
for
years
and
years,
they
won't
lose
their
ranking,
in
other
words,
their
request
from
five
six
years
ago,
and
the
warrants
that
they
generated
will
still
rank
when
they
arrive.
Here.
H
Through
you,
these
are
some
of
the
details
that
I
think
we
are
still
have
to
figure
out
with
Toronto
Police
Services.
Our
intention
is,
if
the
warrants
have
been
met
previously
and
there
aren't
either
either
aren't
crossing
guards
in
place
now
or
there's
some
changes
to
circumstances.
We
would
consider
that
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
would
start
from
zero.
Well.
H
H
Ui
I
don't
know
that
I
would
call
it
tenure,
but
certainly
our
interest
is
in
having
the
existing
crossing
guards
move
over
to
a
new
model,
and
that's
why
we
asked
that
question
quite
specifically
through
the
RFI
of
the
interested
contractors
as
to
whether
that
would
be
something
may
be
interested
in
willing
to
do,
and
so
we
would.
We
would
to
have
that
be
the
model.
Now.
H
You
I
think
Toronto
police
services
may
be
able
to
talk
about
the
scale,
certainly
today
the
crossing
guards
if
they
need
a
backup
there
is
a
back-up
plan.
But
then,
if
that
backup
doesn't
work
out,
then
it
is
a
police
officer
who
comes
to
to
that
location
to
provide
the
crossing
services,
and
so
we
would
need
that
capacity
moving
forward,
but
not
delivered
by
Toronto
police
services.
We
would
look
to
the
contractor
to
provide
that
service
moving
forward.
H
You,
the
new
model,
would
not
require
a
police
officer
to
staff
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
transformational
task
force.
Some
of
the
recommendations
is
that
the
police
would
not
be
involved
in
the
crossing
guard
program
on
the
go
forward
so
that
the
contractor
would
have
to
provide
all
of
that
backup
support.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Really
know
no,
it's
something
that
was
just
historic.
It
was
provided
it's
obviously
a
program
that
requires
the
duty
of
care.
We
happen
to
be
providing
that
program
and
it's
in
and
sort
of
been
providing
now
for
a
number
of
years.
So
when
we
looked
at
our
core
services,
we
just
felt
that
this
should
no
longer
be
provided
by
police.
It's
so
we
could
focus
on
true
public
safety
services.
So
it's
just
historic.
N
Correct
and
historic,
but
I
guess
I
guess
the
way
I'm
sort
of
visualizing
it
is
is
so
the
police
responsible
for
Public,
Safety,
broader
public
safety
I,
would
imagine
that
the
staff
sergeant
when
he's
deploying
and
briefing
or
debriefing
his
officers
that
the
crossing
guard
a
component
of
community
safety,
would
very
much
be
a
part
of
what
the
police
are
doing
as
well.
So
it's
important
for
from
my
perspective
for
the
the
principal
agent
for
safety,
which
is
the
police
and
the
crossing
guard
which
is
sort
of
an
addendum
to
that
to
that
safety
initiative.
N
L
That's
that's
correct.
I
just
want
to
stress
that,
while
it's
not
a
core
service
for
us,
we
will
continue
to
partner
with
with
our
colleagues
in
transportation,
to
make
sure
that
those
those
issues
as
you
described
if
there
are
systemic
issues
that
will
certainly
work
together
with
them
to
try
to
resolve
those
issues.
I.
N
I
guess
I
would
that
leads
into
sort
of
the
the
next
component
of
my
question,
which
would
suggest
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
here
at
the
city
have
been
trying
to
do
where
we
have
these
disconnected
silos
that
essentially
don't
communicate
well
with
each
other,
whether
it
be,
for
example,
on
Bell
Telephone
coming
along
and
ripping
up
the
curb,
then
the
gas
company
coming
along
and
ripping
up
the
curb.
Then
the
city
transportation
coming
along
ripping
up
the
curb
some
people.
N
Apologize
for
the
preamble
to
my
question,
but
I
wanted
my
question
delivered
with
some
level
of
clarity
and
that's
why
I
was
using
the
preamble,
so
the
preamble.
Basically,
so
you
have
all
these
silos.
That
kind
of
like
don't
communicate
with
each
other
and
they
all
come
along
and
perpetually
rip
up
roads
for
years
and
years
and
years,
because
because
of
that
break
down
the
communication,
so
so
you're
saying
you're,
gonna
work
well
with
transportation.
L
Part
of
the
way
forward
is
actually
partnership
with
our
colleagues
so
and
stakeholders
I.
Think
in
response
to
your
your
question,
though,
transportation
will
manage
the
contractor
or
contractors,
we
will
work
with
transportation
in
terms
of
issues
that
might
come
up
that
require
our
attention
as
well.
So
it's
it
is.
It
is
very
much
a
partnership,
even
though
it's
not
a
core
service
for
us,
because.
N
L
N
A
K
L
C
F
So
I,
don't
think
that's
right
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
dollar
follows
the
service
and
the
service
provider.
Another
motion
is
that
that
City
Council
request
the
TPS
and
Chief
of
Police
to
request
the
chief
believes
to
provide
TPS
representation
at
community
meetings
initiated
by
members
of
council
that
discuss
matters
regarding
the
enforcement
of
traffic
regulations.
F
Ask
you
for
your
support
to
engage
them
in
this
important
conversation
to
support
members
of
council
and
their
communities
and
then,
lastly,
that
City
Council
request
the
TPS
board
to
request
the
the
Chief
of
Police
to
provide
necessary
resources
to
adequately
enforce
the
Highway
Traffic
Act
in
Toronto's.
Neighborhoods
I
want
to
give
another
example
of
53
division.
Those
of
you
who
are
within
that
area,
and
perhaps
if
you
are
in
another
division,
you
will
be
able
to
empathize
or
maybe
you've
got
the
same
situation
between
Lawrence
Bloor,
Street,
thorn,
Cliff,
Park
and
Spadina.
F
Yet.
And
my
vision
and
I
know
our
community's
visions
of
whatever
transformation
means
means
that
there
be
adequate
attention
to
traffic
regulation
enforcement.
We
all
hear
about
it
and
we
all
know
that
this
is
the
number
one
priority
to
our
community's
safety
honor
in
our
neighborhoods
I
hear
about
it
every
day
and
I
speak
both
as
a
councillor
but
also
as
a
father
of
four
year
old.
Who
wants
to
make
sure
that
we
make
our
community
safer
speaking
of
a
four
year
old
I
want
to
just
share
something?
F
So
I
may
use
this
as
sort
of
you
know
something
that
I'm
going
to
be
like
you
know,
really
running
with
I
may
not,
but
I
certainly
wanted
to
suggest
that
even
the
kids
are
coming
up
with
ideas
for
us,
because
they
know
that
that
that
this
this
incredibly
urgent
matter,
needs
to
address
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,.
K
F
K
Not
speaking
against
proceeding
with
the
way
forward,
though,
because
part
of
the
problem
that
the
what
you
described,
I
think
you're
aware
of
this
or
maybe
you're
not,
are
you
aware
the
part
of
what
you're
describing
is
because
the
reductions
are
happening
because
council
set
the
direction
that
our
budget
flatlined
and
reduce
we've
absorbed
about
fifty
five
million
dollars?
Maybe
seventy
by
the
end
of
this,
by
going
from
five
thousand
five
hundred
and
sixty-one
officers
to
forty
seven,
fifty
well.
F
Would
actually
submit
to
you
counselor
that
the
political
debate
about
whether
the
police
budget
is
too
much
or
too
little
or
this
or
that
or
or
issues
between
the
Union
and
the
management,
all
that
stuff,
I
I'm
not
actually
delving
into
that.
That's
an
aside.
What
I'm
saying
is
asking
if
I,
if
I'm,
looking
for
the
kind
of
service
that
I
believe
our
community
expects
and
demands,
we
are
not
providing.
F
We
collectively
are
not
providing
that
sufficient
service
to
enforcement
officers
for
region
that
large
in
the
city
is
just
de
Mon
surly
not
doing
the
job.
So
we
want
to
see,
however,
we
we
can
argue
about
the
budget.
We
can
argue
about
how
much
we
want
to
invest
in.
We
will
during
the
budget
process,
but
we
need
to
have
more
adequate
resources
put
on
our
streets.
They
just
don't
exist
today
and
I
hear
that
from
residents
everywhere.
F
B
Verification
of
the
motion-
madam
Speaker
yeah,
just
for
clarity's
sake
in
it
and
it's
similar
to
what
councillor
Cara
was
asking.
We've
had
many
community
safety
meetings
in
Wharton,
where
the
number
one
issue
is.
Is
traffic
safety,
road
safety,
pedestrian
safety,
there's
growing
lawlessness
on
our
roads,
police
services
said
there
is
no
way
they
can
enforce
the
Highway
Traffic
Act,
with
a
sworn
compliment
to
5200
officers,
we're
going
down
to
4700.
How
do
you
expect
them
to
enforce
the
Highway
Traffic
Act
with
a
compliment?
That's
about
500
less.
We.
F
During
the
budget
process,
we
need
to
have
a
debate
and
a
discussion,
and
hopefully
a
resolution
with
the
Toronto
Police
Service
about
what
that
means.
Now
there
have
been
I
mean
there
have
been
announcements,
I
was
with
the
mayor
and
and
and
councillor
Burnside
and
others
when
the
when
the
premier
announced
photo
radar
is
coming
to
our
streets.
F
Eventually,
at
the
mayor's
request
within
schools
and
near
schools
and
neighborhoods,
there
have
been
I've
been
a
very
big
supporter
of
the
movement
towards
having
more
traffic
wardens
in
our
city,
but
I
also
AM,
convinced
that
we
need
to
have
and
I'm
not
suggesting.
It
would
be
absurd
to
suggest
having
a
like
a
police
officer
at
every
corner
at
every
and
every
neighborhood
in
the
street
and
that's
unreasonable
to
request,
but
even
just
the
visibility
of
enforcement
people
the
average
driver
right
now.
F
If
you
are
speeding
through
a
stop
sign
or
just
speeding
through
the
streets,
you
basically
can
fairly
assume
that
you're
not
gonna
get
caught.
There's
no
reasonable
possibility.
You're
gonna
get
caught
right
now
on
an
average
basis,
but
if
you
think
that
there
might
be
an
officer
somewhere
nearby,
that's
why
we
need
increased
blitzes,
that
we
need
just
the
ability
to
kind
of
show
that
the
police
might
be
there.
It
might
change
your
behavior
because
you
might
be
a
well.
F
You
know
well-meaning
person
who
cares
about
the
community
and
the
kids
and
the
seniors
and
everybody
else.
But
if
you're
a
selfish
idiot
who
does
not
care
about
anybody
else,
but
you
might
care
about
your
own
pocketbook,
you
might
get
cut.
You
know
you're
worried
about
getting
caught.
Maybe
that
will
change
your
behavior
and
we
just
don't
see
it
in
our
neighborhoods
and
that's
what
I'm,
reflecting
and
responding
to
with
this
motion.
Well.
B
C
F
Well
again,
to
clarify,
if
you,
if
you
read
the
way
that
I
wrote
the
motion
that
City
Council
request,
the
Toronto
Police
Services
Board,
to
request
the
Chief
of
Police,
as
you
can
see,
was
very
deliberately
written
in
a
way
that
understands
the
governance
structure
that
we
are
under
and
and
I
hope
that
responds
to
your
question.
We're
not
we're
not
directing
or
we're
telling
them
what
to
do.
In
fact,
we
lawfully
can't,
but.
C
F
C
F
F
Just
kind
of
a
simple
human
condition
quite
an
answer,
but
if
you
need
to
ask
for
what
you
believe
is
right,
and
if
we
don't
make
the
request
as
counsel
with
the
force
of
counsel
the
resolution
of
counsel
behind
us,
then
we're
not
we're
not
setting
it
as
a
priority
on
their
agenda
in
the
way
that
I
would
hope.
We
would
so
I'm.
Simply
and
I
honestly.
F
F
O
Know
I
just
the
problem
I
have
with
the
motion
as
I
interpret.
It
is
that
we
are
asking
the
board
to
to
ask
the
chief
to
make
sure
that
he
provides
adequate
resources
to
police
the
city
in
an
effective
manner.
The
reality
is
from
my
understanding
is
that
when
police
chief
comes
forward
with
his
budget,
the
understanding
is
that
he's
requesting
resources
from
the
City
Council
to
be
able
to
do
his
job
of
police
in
the
city
in
an
effective
manner.
O
So
I
have
a
fundamental
problem
with,
given
that
we
look
at
the
Chiefs
budget
to
accomplish
what
you're
seeking
to
accomplish
I'm
thinking.
Maybe
that's
the
right
time
to
address
your
issue,
to
add
additional
resources
in
the
budget
to
make
sure
that
in
fact
he
does
do
the
job.
According
to
your
perception
of
what
needs
to
be
done.
Well,
I'm,
not
saying
that
you're
not
right,
I,.
F
Appreciate
that
counselor
I
would
I
would
suggest
you
that
that
in
fact
both
times
for
the
right
time
to
do
it,
I
would
actually
any
any
opportunity
that
it's
an
order
on
our
agenda
as
it
is
today,
as
you
know,
as
you
can
see,
to
make
it
known
to
the
police
services
board
what
our
priorities
are.
I
think
I
think
it's
an
important
time
to
do
it
and
yeah
I
will
raise
this
again
during
the
budget
process
and.
O
F
O
F
Know
I
think
one
of
one
of
the
challenges
that
this
responds
to
is
that
many
many
citizens,
many
residents
out
there
and
I
imagine
you've
experienced
this
too,
will
call.
Let's
say
your
office
and
say
councilor
DiGiorgio
I
want
you
to
send
a
cop
out
to
my
street
and
get
them
to
enforce
it.
Well,
you
you
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
You.
O
F
I
mean
if
you
can't
call
the
police
and
say
this
is
what
you
know:
I'm
I'm,
sending
the
police
to
that
street.
Then,
though,
you
know,
though,
though,
contact
transportation,
services
and
say
why
don't
you
go
do
that?
Why
don't
you?
Why
don't
you
enforce,
speeding
and
and
and
and
all
the
regulations
in
our
community
that
that
that
people
are
ignoring,
and
they
don't
understand,
always
that
there
that's
not
their
job?
F
What
I'm
asking
today
is
that
we
go
to
the
proper
place
and
say
this
is
what
we
need
you
to
prioritize.
They
can
come
back
to
us
during
the
budget
process
and
say
you
know
what
you've
you've
asked
for
this,
and
this
is
what's
gonna
take
and
then
we
debate
it.
Then
we
debate
it
and
we
can
determine
whether
or
not
we
believe
they
need
more
money
or
or
that
we
press
back
and
say
do
it
within
the
existing
sources
that
we've
already
allocated.
P
Thank
you
very
much.
Madam
Speaker
I
am
very
concerned
about
this
particular
report
and
probably
the
subsequent
reports
to
come.
I
want
to
say
first
of
all,
I
commend
the
Toronto
Police
for
putting
together
their
modernization
plan.
I.
Think
it's
a
very
good
plan
with
this
32
solid
recommendations.
Many
of
those
recommendations
are
about
reforming
policing
culture
and
trying
to
get
to
a
model
of
neighborhood
centric
policing,
which
I
think
we
all
recognize
does
work
and
it's
something
that
is
widely
wanted
by
our
communities.
P
The
challenge
that
I
have
with
this
particular
report
is
number
one.
The
council
is
not
necessarily
discussed
the
modernization
task
force
and
the
work
that
they've
that
they
put
out
and
that's
that's
not
to
say
it's
not
good
work,
because
I've
just
said
that
it
is,
but
we
actually
haven't
actually
fully
unpacked
what
the
impact
is
for
the
city,
because
what
we
are
seeing
in
this
report
is
the
first
step
of
probably
subsequent
steps
that
will
look
like
either
a
saw,
a
side,
load
or
download,
or
what.
P
However,
you
want
to
frame
it
of
policing
services
now
to
the
city
and
the
first
components
that
are
before
us
is
around
Life
Guards
and
are
about
crossing
guards.
But
if
we
flip
to
the
back
of
the
page
page
16
of
16
pages,
what
we
also
know
is
that
they've
taken
a
look
at
what
is
seen
as
sort
of
non-emergency
risk
assessments
and
they've,
grouped
them
together
and
those
divisional.
The
divisions
that
will
be
affected
will
include
more
transportation
services,
the
economic
development
and
culture
office,
including
film
and
television
digital
media
office.
P
P
P
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker.
So
what
my
concern
is
is
that
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
much
bigger
conversation
and
I
think
that
conversation
has
to
be
had
and-
and
we
know
that
the
police
are
struggling
with
the
with
the
dwindling
a
number
of
officers
that
they
have.
They
need
to
do
some
internal
work
with
theirs
with
respect
to
their
scheduling.
They
need
to
do
work
with
how
they
report
out
and
and
certainly,
we
are
going
to
come
to
the
table
and
work
with
them.
P
What
I'm
challenged
with
madam
Speaker
is
the
fact
that
the
staff
have
come
to
the
table
and
start
their
talk
to
the
Toronto
Police
Service,
but
I.
Don't
believe
that
there's
been
any
parameters
set
out
from
this
council
on
how
to
engage
in
those
discussions.
It
doesn't
mean
that
those
discussions
shouldn't
take
place,
but
I
am
concerned
that
we
may
be
starting
off
not
necessarily
from
a
place
of
leading
from
the
front,
but
perhaps
leading
from
the
back
and
so
I
am
really
quite
troubled
because
of
that
environment
that
we're
in.
P
P
Every
year
we
flat
line
their
budgets,
we
ask
them
to
do
more
and
more
with
less
and
less
and
the
city
is
growing
and
then
it's
much
more
complex,
so
at
the
bottom
line,
if
I
actually
use
a
evaluator
on
how
I
want
to
move
forward
on
this
particular
discussion
with
this
report
is
that
I
want
to
take
a
look
at
service
levels.
How
quickly
are
we
responding
to
the
citizens
of
Toronto
and
the
residents
of
Toronto
when
they
call
3-1-1
for
service
requests?
How
quickly
are
responding
to
3
1
1?
Sorry,
MLS
requests.
P
Don't
believe
that
we
need
to
rush
into
this
I'd
be
very
happy
to
support
a
deferral
remotion,
which
I
believe
is
coming
and
I
think
that
we
probably
recognize
need
to
recognize.
This
is
the
very
first
step
of
multiple
steps
to
come,
which
what
will
look
will
which
will
effectively
be
a
side
load
or
a
download
from
the
trial
police.
Thank
you.
D
We
don't
know
what
is
the
level
of
supervision
required?
We
don't
know
what
kind
of
accountability
will
be
back
to
us
or
to
councillors
to
count
it
to
what
kind
of
oversight
will
be
required
by
our
transportation
staff.
We
don't
know
how
they
intend
to
fill
vacancies,
and
that
was
identified
very
clearly
as
a
problem.
We
don't
know
what
kinds
of
organizations
brought
forward
an
expression
of
entry,
a
process
that
we
have
nothing
to
do
with,
and
we
have
no
idea
about
the
request
for
information.
D
D
It's
a
1.5
million
more
to
run
a
contracted
service
is
the
estimated
additional
cost
for
a
contracted
out
model.
I.
Don't
really
understand
why
it
is
we'd,
be
looking
at
an
alternative
model
that
is
going
to
cost
us
more
and
we
have
so
little
information.
Are
they
going
to
be
bound
by
the
fair
wage
policy?
What
are
the
implications
of
the
fair
wage
policy?
I,
don't
know
if
there
were
other
options
that
were
looked
at
I,
don't
understand,
staffing
and
oversight,
that's
being
required
required.
D
D
These
are
important
people
in
our
communities
who
keep
our
streets
safer
for
our
kids
and
I.
Think
before
we
make
a
final
decision
to
send
it
out,
we
should
see
what's
in
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
RFP,
we
need
to
understand
a
lot
more
before
we
make
this
final
decision.
I
think
it's
very
reasonable.
Aren't
communities.
D
How
much
do
our
school
communities
our
school
councils?
How
much
do
they
know
about
what
we're
doing
with
this
program?
How
will
they
be
involved?
Has
anyone
talked
to
the
crossing
guards?
No,
apparently
not
Toronto,
Police
Service
told
me
not
so
I'd
like
to
know
what
they
think.
Sometimes
ideas
from
employees
can
give
you
some
insight,
so
I
hope
you'll.
Consider
supporting
it.
D
I
too
have
concerns,
as
councillor
wong-tam
mentioned
about
this
sideloading
that
essentially
happening.
We
are
simply
side
loading
and
oh
by
the
way.
Not
only
do
we
know
whether
the
service
will
be
any
better.
We
know
that
the
services
will
cost
more
I
mean
I'm,
not
convinced
as
well,
that
transferring
the
lifeguards
side
loading
the
lifeguards
over
into
recreation
is
an
appropriate
step
to
take
it's
a
very
specialized
type
of
work.
I
know
because
my
son
did
it
it's
an
open
water
qualification.
It's
a
very
different
thing:
they
work
with
the
police
on
the
boats.
D
They
deal
with
things
like
walk
bodies,
people
dying,
it's
a
very
different
kind
of
job,
but
I
heard
from
staff
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
accommodate
those
kinds
of
changes
within
the
PF
in
our
program,
and
we
have
direct
access
to
the
how
that
will
unfold.
So
I'm
only
suggesting
at
this
point
that
we
have
just
another
look
at
the
crossing
guard
program
before
we
decide
to
move
ahead
with
this
model.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
J
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
Madam
Speaker
I
just
want
to
ask
the
mover
a
couple
questions,
and
was
she
aware,
at
executive
I,
moved
a
motion
to
develop
an
implementation
plan
for
school
crossing
guard
program
to
to
really
include
the
warrants
developed
by
your
Incans
consultation
with
the
Toronto
Police
Services,
in
accordance
with
the
Highway
Traffic
Act?
So
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
a
process
that
will
look
at
locations
to
be
added
removed
and
hopefully
that
really
appeases
your
concerns,
because
I'm
not
sure
referring
deferring
is
very
effective.
J
D
J
Mike
well,
there's
usually
more
than
a
few
words
in
a
sentence.
So
if
you
just,
let
me
complete
my
sentence,
I'd
appreciate
it.
I
don't
see
any
value
in
in
delaying
this.
It's
a
solid
report.
It's
it's
comprehensive
as
well.
Executive
debated
it
and
they
supported
my
motion
to
also
make
sure
we're
working
hand-in-hand
and
consultation
with
the
Toronto
Police
Service,
in
accordance
with
the
Highway
Traffic
Act.
So
I'm
not
clear
on
why
you
would
want
to
delay
this
any
further.
Let's
move
it
forward.
Why
would
you
want
to
delay
this.
Q
Q
D
D
Q
Were
you
aware
that
that
to
be
ready
for
the
2019
school
year,
staff
would
have
to
get
an
RFP
out
and
then,
of
course
that
takes
time,
and
we
only
get
the
information
back
at
the
end
of
SEC
or
sometime
in
the
second
quarter,
usually
means
the
end
of
the
quarter
that
there
wouldn't
be
enough
time
to
get
that
RFP
out
ready
for
the
2019
Scalia.
That's
what
my
original
question
was
actually
referring
to.
No.
G
G
B
A
G
I
said,
I
put
your
time
on
all
the
time.
There
was
no
but
I
put
your
okay
Kentucky
as
I
say
in
my
previous
life,
I
was
very
involved
in
elementary
schools
and
high
schools,
and
one
of
the
things
we
were
always
looking
at
is
how
to
get
our
children
to
school
safely,
how
to
encourage
our
children
to
walk
to
school,
because
when
a
child
walks
to
school
and
a
parent
feels
safe,
allowing
that
child
to
walk
to
school
on
their
own.
G
You
are
reducing
a
number
of
cars
who
come
and
drive
up
to
your
school
every
day.
So
not
only
do
we
wake
our
children
up
in
the
mornings
and
allow
them
to
get
fresh
air
before
getting
to
school,
which
we
know
their
brains
are
working
better.
We
also
eliminate
the
pollution
around
our
schools
with
all
the
cars
hanging
out
and
dropping
their
kids
off
I
understand.
We
have
to
have
criteria
about
where
crossing
guards
go
because
I
know.
If
we
didn't
have
a
criteria,
most
schools
would
be
asking
for
four
or
five
crossing
guards.
G
I
know
that's
not
always
possible,
but
there
are
certain
streets
around
our
schools
where
crossing
guards
would
allow
our
children
to
get
there
safely.
So
I
also
understand
that
really
having
a
full-fledged
police
officer,
helping
children
cross
three
times
a
day
is
probably
not
the
best
use
of
their
resources.
I
would.
Rather,
they
were
on
my
side
streets,
catching
those
people,
speeding
in
the
school
area,
so
I
do
support
having
different
people
helping
during
those
times
when
our
crossing
guards
can't
get
there.
G
A
G
I've
lost
some
of
my
train
of
thought,
so
in
your
neck.
What
I'm,
basically
saying
is
that
I
do
support
this.
Often,
when
my
local
police
department
come
to
me
and
say
you
know,
counselor
we're
looking
for
some
crossing
guards.
Can
you
please
promote
this
and
we
put
out
there
how
you
can
become
a
crossing
guard?
It
is
a
wonderful
job
for
many
people
in
our
community.
It
gets
them
involved
with
the
children.
G
It
gets
them
involved
with
the
families,
so
I
do
truly
support
that
what
I'm
hesitating
with
is
similar
to
what
councillor
Matt
Lowe
has
the
issue
of
where
these
funds
coming
from.
We
need
to
find
the
money
to
do
this
properly.
You
can't
do
this
half
you
know
what,
because
these
are
children,
we're
talking
about.
My
office
is
often
being
requested
for
concerns
in
our
community.
G
In
a
cars
are
speeding
going
through
stop
signs
and
I
go
to
my
division
on
arson
to
enforce
these,
but
our
divisions
only
have
X
number
of
officers
and
I
know
for
a
fact
that
my
division
has
lost
quite
a
few
officers
recently
to
retirement
and
people
leaving
the
force
and
we're
not
replacing
those
officers.
I
guess
what
I
was
gonna
put
a
motion
forward,
but
I
haven't
because
I
spoke,
my
staff,
my
staff
spoke
to
staff
earlier.
G
I
would
actually
like
to
have
seen
a
motion
coming
forward
that
the
province
should
do
cost
recovery
for
the
city.
I.
Don't
think,
there's
actually
much
point
in
doing
that,
but
I
do
believe.
The
province
should
actually
be
helping
us
fund
some
of
this
because
it
is,
there
does
the
state
they
fund
the
schools.
They
should
be
helping
us
fund
the
safety
for
children,
getting
them
into
their
schools,
and
on
that
note,
I
will
finish,
but
thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank
you.